Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Is the Pixel 9 Better than the 10?

Episode Date: September 5, 2025

Everyone is finally all back together in the same room which can only mean one thing: Techtember has begun! There was a lot to get into this week. Marques, Andrew, and David give some FinalThoughts.copy.final2.jpg thoughts on the Pixel 10 before going over everything we expect to see at the Apple event next week. Then they talk about Samsung Unpacked along with a few shorter news stories including YouTube cracking down on family plans. Enjoy! Links: 9to5google - Pixel 9 vs Pixel 10 Verge - Plastic Apple Watch SE MacRumors - Orange iPhone 17 GSM Arena - Sony Debacle Music provided by Epidemic Sound Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Social: Waveform Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Waveform Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en Hosts: Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And this week, you know, I just watched a video about my own voice that someone else made on YouTube. And now I hear my own voice differently in this microphone. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm trying to ignore that. Anyway, this week, there's a whole bunch of tech stuff. We're recording this right before iPhone event and Galaxy Unpacked. So by the time you hear this, one of those has happened and one of those is about to happen.

There's also some more Pixel 10 camera stuff we want to talk about, along with a Sony Xperia 7 debacle. And we also have peak smartphone season, like, just on the horizon. It's right, it's about to happen. It's next week. I mean, it's September. It's September. That's what I shouldn't say that. It's September, which is very exciting.

So, yeah, we can sort of just jump right into that. Do you know how we know this is peak smartphone season? How? The whole crew is back today. We are actually all here. We are recording on a Tuesday because you would have been out tomorrow. Still not back to normalcy, but... Not quite, but all five of us are here.

As close as it's ever been. No random Mariah or Miles jumping in without an introduction 15 minutes into the episode. And there's also, everybody who ordered a pixel 10 now has it. That's true. Including Adam over there. Is that a MagSafe wallet, by the way? That is a MagSafe wallet. I know it was a MagSafe wallet.

No, no, no, no, not officially. Probably not officially. It's probably a MaxSafe wallet. That is a MacSafe wallet. That is patina. It's got Apple logos on it. I'm using it with my... No, no, this one is a distil union.

Oh, okay. So I've had it for a couple years. It's got some nice patina, but it works with Pixel Snap. Yeah. Branding on Facebook. branding on branding. Oh, so you're using

no case on your phone? No case. How's the no case how's the no case pixel 10 life been so far? So much better. You're the one that bought that like really thin

magnet to put on your galaxy fold? Yes, I did the stickers but those they weren't until they don't. Yeah, they're kind of a heck. Yeah. The pixel 10 does have stabilizing magnets

that actually make sure that things stay in place. So that is better. Adam, you were sick last week and you told a pretty funny pixel story in the kitchen yeah about while you were sick yeah I found the one person in the world who used the

temperature sensor on the pixel 10 pro and it was I because last week I was sick and I was sitting in my room board and I had a thermometer in one hand and a pixel in the other I'm like you know what let's see how close they get how close it was within a degree so it wasn't bad the actual thermometer said 99 the phone said 98 so it was like is it officially rated for humans yet because I remember when it came out it was not well It's rated for humans. Yeah, I don't know what rated for humans means, but it does work on humans. When it first came out on like the 8 Pro or whatever phone got it, it was like you can't

officially use this on people. I think it wasn't one of the options. Yeah, now there's an option for human. It got the right IP rating. Yeah. It's people. It is funny because 98 is you're fine. 99 is you're not fine.

It literally did do the thing. It's fine line. Almost got it. Yeah. And we say that Fahrenheit is better because of its nuance. Fair enough. Andrew, you also have your pixel 10. You have your lemon grass.

My lemon grass. I realized we convinced everyone in the studio to call it lemoncello because we were calling it that for so long. Because it used to be called that. Yeah, non-pixel users in the studio were like, I think Tim came up to me. He was like, what is it actually called? Because I've been hearing lemon cell and I'm stuff.

But I do. Beautiful yellow. God, in person, it's even worse. It's in a blue case right now just until I get my, I'm specifically getting a ghost case for this. color because it's so good yeah it's definitely not 15% of my diet is too i really wish i could criticize you um publicly but i can't because i have grass on my laptop it's just you know i could say that's ugly but it's a nice compare they they go well together

but an opportunity for me to show you the best color yeah that's the best which is i'm still using the moonstone 10 pro and actually ended the video with a real prediction for how I think this is going to go. I'm going to switch, and I have currently using this phone, I got me east a minute and everything, as my daily driver. And then within four months,

I will get really annoyed with something hardware-related, probably the cameras or battery, and I will switch to a new phone that has way better cameras or battery. And then I will get really annoyed with that phone's worth software, and I'll switch back to the pixel. And then I'll get really annoyed

with the way the pixel is aging, and I'll switch back to something else. And that'll all happen within about 12 months. Okay. And then the new versions of both those phones will come out and the cycle repeats. Just keep going.

You do have the Xcel though. So if you get annoyed with battery, you can at least. Well, I have it, but I'm using the regular.

Yeah, but yeah, I guess the XL, the thing is the XL has a 0.2 or 0.3 inch bigger screen. It only has a

200 million amp power or larger battery. It's not that. That's fair. Yeah. And yeah. With Mags. Right,

because it's G22. It charges wired faster as well. It's wired faster too? Yeah, 45 versus 35 or 205. Can I talk about a complaint I have with this? Yes, you can. It is extremely specific, but feels dumbfoundingly stupid.

Okay. I have plenty of other complaints trying to, like, get from my Samsung S-24 to this phone in terms of, like, the customization. But a lot of them were just, like, weird little things, like the search bar being under the dock. Before it was switched, I had my dock first with the search bar above it. You cannot change that. I can get used to that. still at a glance can't you can turn at a glance off but you still lose the screen real estate

stays there but my biggest complaint is in this search bar if you want to try and customize it which is something you can sort of can do if you've ever been to your google settings you can play along with me if you'd like go to your google those at home go to your google settings while you're driving there's a whole box called customized search widget right you see this okay for those of you who aren't pixel users, the search part on the bottom of a pixel is, it has to stay there, it's baked in, you can only change it from light and dark mode. But in this customized search widget, you can do light, dark device, which does it in theme colors of like material you expressive. That's cool. Really cool, really on brand for what they're doing. You can even

do custom colors. You can change the transparency of the bar itself. You can change this. So there's the microphone icon, Google Lens icon, and now it's been adding one to the right. which you can change the shortcut, the different things. Want to know what this does? This adds another widget to your home screen instead of actually changing... Wait, so you...

The search bar on the bottom. So you can't... And you can't... You can't change the search bar on the bottom. It's just device theme. Light or dark, can't change the shortcut. Oh. Now, if you want to do all those cool changes,

it's another widget because everybody wants two search bars on their phone. I mean, who about us? Yeah, don't you? This makes no, this is really stupid. Send a screenshot of that to Adam. No, yeah, that is actually kind of dumb. This is, yeah.

Express it. I can't get it. It literally does all the things about the new software and Material 3 expressive, except you can't actually do it. I thought you'd found a setting where you could change the settings of that bottom search bar.

I was like, whoa, that's actually pretty great. I was so excited. I was so excited. You want to express yourself by having two search bars for no reason? I'm just going to do a whole page full of different themes. church bars. Lean into it. I like that.

Nice. So, yeah, I think my final thought is as much as I'm excited to be on pixel, I am enjoying it. I kind of think one UI is more customizable than this UI. Way more than. Yeah, yeah. I think Samsung, even one plus's software, whatever, oxygen OS home screens, like they'll all find little things to throw in to let you tweet their home screen more.

But they're not expressive. And is my expression not customizable? No. Yeah, there's, yeah, there's just, and some little less, a little less you can do on the pixel. 30% less. This is what they meant when they said there was a 30% jump in rebelliousness. They were rebelling against you messing with your back. Rebelling against freedom.

That made me really sad. Yeah. That just feels really stupid. Please fix that. I would love for my search part a little bit. Tote it back down like 10% rebelliousness. Yeah. Stupid.

Stupid. Okay. Well, also. That's fun for you. it was a joy I have other pixels something in here if you guys want to talk about it and this was we posted our review

lots of other people posted their reviews a lot of comments I saw on ours and others and articles and people have done videos on this is people asking if the pixel 10 base is worse than the pixel 9 base phone specifically about their cameras because it seems as though the pixel 10 has new sense

they have three cameras but the main wide is a 48 megapixel F1.7, one over two inch sensor, is that? And then when it used to be 50 megapixels, 1.7, 1 over 1 and 1.3 inch sensor, I'm terrible at the vocabulary here. But it's the pixel 9A camera sensor, essentially. I do have the base version,

but I didn't use a pixel 9 to compare to. Yeah, so in theory, if you had a pixel 9 and upgraded to a pixel 10, you are sacrificing some camera quality to get the rest of the upgrades of the pixel 10, which does not look good on paper. That's an easy headline. That does not look great.

In my head, it feels like there are people at Google who were like, how do we further separate the pixel 10 and 10 pro? And they're like, well, we'll use the 9A cameras in the 10 and then some bigger sensors in the 10 pro. And that's probably what they did, just to make it a little bit more, recognizable of a difference. It's still not very much of a difference between those phones,

but that is definitely a bummer. If you had a pixel 9 and you specifically love the cameras, you would like the 10's cameras less. Yeah, 9 to 5 Google did a video on it, and they actually had like an insert right before they posted it of some camera comparisons. And it was looking good, almost better in a lot of photos, until it hit low light. And it seems like the low light capabilities of the pixel 10 wide versus the pixel 9 wide. That's what will happen. Yep, was like pretty rough. Some of the glare issues were like it looked like the pixel 10 had like a stigmatism.

I've seen more, I was going to, I didn't mention it in my 10 Pro review, but there was more glare in the 10 pros camera than last year also, which was interesting. Because you know how the iPhone at night, when you ever shoot video with like point lights, there's crazy glare? Yeah. I started to get that during the daytime with the pixel. Although it was a car headlights, so like it wasn't, oh, insane, but it was still more than I expected. Interesting.

Anamorphic. Yeah, kind of felt like it. more anti-flare coatings. Do you think this is going to be a trend moving forward where the base model will always have the A version's sensor of the previous generation? I don't think so. I think that's going to be a uniquely pixel thing

because the pixel is almost uniquely lacking in the hardware department compared to some other more competitive flagships. I think it would be really weird if the iPhone 17 had the what is the E, the 16E's camera? I don't know, but, well, that's a good point. But I was asking about the pixel specific. Oh, and the pixel?

I could see the pixel continuing. I could see it because they need to order a bunch of those sensors for the A series. And if they can use some of those for the next line, then it's useful for them. They save a lot of money that way. Yeah. I think this is a perfect example of like, it calls back to the event of how much it was for, like, the masses that they were willing to sacrifice sensor quality for the third camera on the base because the people who are about. buying those are probably the like, not us. Well, except for me, I guess I'm an idiot.

Couldn't be me. But like, yeah, most people aren't going to be like, oh, that sensor is smaller. They're going to be like, oh, there's a third camera on. Yeah. And that sounds great. I don't know about you guys. I've been using it for a couple weeks. And I feel like the pro features that they are adding are very cool.

And the team is going hard, like adding all these manual controls and manual mode and stuff. But I feel like the processing every year is getting further and further away. from the iPhone. Like I feel like the iPhone is just starting to run away with it especially in video obviously because the iPhone has always been ahead in video but like I would rather use like

halide on an iPhone and take a straight raw photo and edit that and those raws look better to me than the raw is out of the pixel. Yes. Because the raw can the pixel can do native raw that can it can save a subsequent raw plus JPEG

but the raw is out of the iPhone like way better than they do out of the pixel. The pixel six raw looked freaking awesome. And then it's just gotten worse since then for some reason. I don't know why. They started doing the whole pro-Raw thing, though. I think that that's probably why.

Like, they don't call it pro-Raw, but they have like a merged, like, some processing in the raw. On the pixel you're talking about? Yeah. They started that in the 8 Pro. Yeah. I also think that, I mean,

if you just look at straight, like, point-and-shoot process photos, the iPhone, I mean, video, it's not really contest. The iPhone's just been that much better. but in in photo in flat photos from the iPhone they just keep they just keep flattening everything out still and the pixel still has the look of like the contrast yeah like they still have the confident like yeah you know contrast so much contrast but yeah you look at that from these bigger newer sensors versus how it used to look when they were using those older smaller sensors and it's it's it definitely changed it's just not quite as natural feeling anymore yeah 100% it's a good thing I actually take all my pictures on mirrorless well good good thing you're yes

soon going to be would you like to explain well you know I did it oh you really what this is news to us you said it this morning yeah yeah yeah so when does it get here can you explain I was I watched

what I did was I had a couple flights and I downloaded a whole bunch of Hasselblot X2D mark two reviews to watch on the plane Yeah, that's a good idea. Yeah, of course. I watched all the reviews and everyone was like, it's a great camera, Marquez. And I was like, yeah, you're right. So I went back to my BNH tab and I hit checkout.

So I think mid-September is when I'm supposed to get my X2D Mark 2. I did end up buying it. And I'm very, very, very excited about it. And I also got the 35 to 100. I was just going to ask what lengths you have. The compacts? Yeah. This is a, this is a big, I mean, if you, if you watch these reviews, like a lot of them are coming from people who have shot a lot of hassleblad in the past and they're, you know, I'm called them. I'm jogging my memory of all the previous times I've been when I heavily used the Hasselblad cameras, which is like, okay, the autofocus is slow. It's single shot. It's going to slow you down. The shutter is going to slow you down. The whole big clunkiness of this camera is going to slow you down. But the files are going to be so worth it.

And the raws are going to be so detailed. And it's going to be great. But it's like I wouldn't want to shoot, you know, regular point and shoot running gun, anything else with this. This is just like, I found a bug on a pedal. And this is, I have 30 minutes. I get one photo out of this, right? So all the reviews are talking about how that was always true.

And it felt kind of like an excuse or a crutch. And all the things that they added to this camera, the much better autofocus, they added LiDAR, which works in conjunction with the phase detect and the contrast auto focus. It's much better. There's also AI, eye detection, vehicle detection, face detection, pet detection, and continuous autofocus, most importantly, which makes it incredibly easy to literally point and shoot and track moving objects on a medium format, 10-stop ibis, 100 megapixel shot.

I'm glad that you've figured out an excuse. Yeah. Yeah, it was always going to happen. When are we going to start shooting videos on it? It literally doesn't shoot video. There's no video mode at all. I bet it would look sick. At least they officially just scrapped the video mode because on the X1D it said video coming soon since the beginning and they never added it.

Are you serious? It's kind of awesome. Yeah. Wasn't there a physical button too? I think maybe. I think there was a switch or something on it. Yeah. Yeah.

I think if you go back long enough, there was like a video switch and you'd switch it and it would just go, not yet. Yeah. It was just like video coming later and it just never came later. Yeah. Yeah, and eventually they're just like, yeah, that ain't us. Yeah, but I do think video from a medium format sensor with 10 stops of ibis would look. I mean, I shoot video on my GFX 100 Mark 2. Do lenses, like, cooperate with that?

Yeah, yeah. Well, I don't need autofocus. Oh, yeah. Well, imagine if you also had autofocus. That would be sick. My grandmother, her feet. She walked up and down the street in the snow. And our bare feet.

Yeah. So, after our conversation last week about cameras, I've been on like every used looking at either whatever I can find first, basically MSRP of like a GR3 or a X100. Look at all you guys.

I know. You really is. I've only had to sit next to you for like six years before. First I got Ellis. Then we had out and you guys are, wow. Yeah. I poked rich this morning.

I was like, that food jays haven't moved in a while. If you ever want to sell it, let me know. It really has not. That's what's been there for a long time. yeah okay well i'm glad you guys are on team i just use my phone still image i it's fun to just like pay attention to taking the photo also it's fun taking pictures of lane if i'm being

completely honest i'll borrow the x2d one day honestly that's a good test printed out life size yeah it's a good test i mean the i would not want a photo that high resolution of me as a baby yeah when she grows up she's gonna be like whoa no when she grows up she'll be like why does this looks so bad. Oh, true, yeah. But we can also talk about this upcoming Samsling event, which has some phones and tablets. It's no longer upcoming when you're listening and watching this. Didn't they just do an event?

Yeah, they did. There's another one happening. And they're both unpacked? Ellis, it's tech timber. Come on. We know for sure. Is this your first tectember out of us? I don't remember.

This is my fourth tectember with you, Mark has, I think. I do not remember Samsung getting us with a one-two ever. This is a pretty unique one, too. Yeah. Yeah, they're doing the F-E, the S-25F-E. Essentially, a cheaper way to get the S-25 experience, but, yeah, cheaper. And so they've made a couple sacrifices to get it to be a lower price. It's an X-NOS chip.

That's kind of the main thing. It's an X-NOS 2,400, I believe, if my notes are correct. And it's 649. Wow. So if you are willing to go $150 cheaper on a brand new phone from Samsung and you want essentially the S25 experience, you still get a 50 megapixel main camera and then a 12 megapixel ultra-wide and an 8 megapixel 3X telephoto. It's still IP68, same materials as the S-25s. It's 7.4 millimeters thin. It's the same software.

It's one UI8 at launch. It's got all the AI stuff. It's just a little cheaper. A little cheaper. And that's the S25FE. Yeah, the one thing we don't know is whether or not the trifold was announced yesterday.

Yeah, that could be a surprise announcement. If it is... All the rumors I'm reading today on Tuesday say don't expect it this week. Okay. Except we are supposed to get one by the end of the year. According to Samsung...

Month or year? The year, according to Samsung. Month according to the rumors. You don't think they could announce it and be like, it's coming early next year or something like that? or it's going to be out, out by the end of this year. Hmm, yeah.

I thought they said coming by end of this year, or coming this year. Yeah, they announce it. I would assume that ships. I would assume that ships, not just announces. I could see it maybe getting announced at the end of Friday's event or like teased. One more thing. Thursdays. But honestly, like, October is pretty, what events are coming up in October?

None that we know of, right? Get their own month. Well, in September, we've probably got them. meta glasses that's like in a that's like a rumor well their Metac connect is in September is mid-September um I don't know you're missing a big one I would launch it in October the iPhone yeah I'd go next week damn we got three dense weeks here yeah it's September well what if Apple announces the Samsung trifold one more as the one more did didn't expect that one, guys.

Samsung has innovated. Yeah. I mean, Google would announce the Samsung Trifold at a Google event, to be honest. Oh, you triggered my Gemini. Sorry. You woke her up. What triggered Gemini?

Oh, just Google? Do you think that the Samsung Trifold will be up to par with what we've seen so far from... Huawei? Yeah. It'll be better. You think it'll be better.

Yeah. You don't think they're playing catch-up. The Huawei one, I feel like I'm going to break every time I open it because it opens a weird way. Do they have a new one now? They do, but it's the same. The made X-T. Yeah.

I, yeah, I kind of get the same feeling using the Huawei one. Sometimes you use a device and you just get the feeling that this one was designed to be first. Yeah. Just as long as it's good enough to get out first, it'll come out. Like the, what was the first foldable phone that technically is? The Royal Flex Spy. We'll get me go. That was like, Crack, Crack, Crack, Crack, Crack when you would open it.

And it was like a chirocrap. And it was like a chirocrap. Yeah. Yeah. So it kind of has similar vibes. I do think Samsung is working on a little bit more of a conservative, like, timeline where hopefully their thing is really, really solid, and they're going to have a bigger possible customer base to ship to, and they're going to...

Well, I mean, in the U.S. I guess Huawei ships a lot of phones already, so it's not totally different. But I do think they'll be a little better with their trifold. How much shit is the Samsung one's going to cost? Oh, good question. Well, so I guess you could just do reductive math if you just think S-25s are right around 1,000, and then Z-fold-7s are dual-screen and right around 2,000. So it's going to be $3,000.

Probably somewhere around $3,000. Jeez. Can you imagine? But then you don't need a laptop. That's the goal. You have decks. Yeah, Adam. Yeah, Adam.

Listen, I love decks, but I'm replacing my laptop with decks. Putting decks on that thing feels pointless because its whole point is to have a giant screen. Yeah, it'll unfold it to like a nine-inch screen. You're going to have those, like, tanning. Reflectors, like, as are full. Dude, this trifold is going to be bigger than the original, the original Huawei, or no, Asus, Nexus 7. You're almost there.

You're doing great. Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure. The Z-fold's already bigger than Nexus 7. It's going to be bigger than the Nexus 10. Oh, okay. No, it won't be. I really like the Nexus 10. Yeah, me too. Tool front-facing speakers, a little soft touch back.

Bring it back, baby. Antennas in the plastic at the top. A lot of money. Dang. Yeah. Okay. No support. Well, all of this info has already come out, so we're behind.

I'm sorry. We're supposed to be on the cutting edge. We are currently on the zipping edge. And that's my bed. Yeah. We're closing it up. Nice. I was going to ask.

That's good. That's good. The zipping edge. The zipping edge. Well, you know what else is kind of zippy? How it is. We're about to do trivia? No.

Are we? I messed us up last week. Oh. Are we not doing trivia? No. Yeah? Why not? Hit it, Ellis. All right.

What? Didn't mess it up this week. Okay. So, Andrew, as you mentioned earlier, you guys confused the heck out of everyone in the office, calling that thing, Lemoncello, when it's actually lemongrass. However, that is not the most annoying name swap, color name, colorway branding exercise act. that Google has ever done. Because in the history of pixeldom, there have been not one, not two, but three orange Google pixels.

Orange or yellow? Orange, yeah. I remember one of them, two of them. Like, does this, is this considered orange to you? Is this a salmon one orange? Is this considered orange to you? Wow, that's not orange. Why aren't you pointing to more?

That's blue. No, the inside. No, it's yellow. Ellis. Is Lemoncello orange to you? I don't know, David. Is lemoncella orange to you? No.

I'm asking a clarifying question. In what world? Take me through the thought process. We have disagreed on crazier things. That's all I'm saying. Anyway, Pixel has released. Okay. Three orange phones in history of pixeldom.

I need you to give me all three names for orange. Is it one point each? Yes, there are three points to be awarded with this question. Is orange and pink the same thing? Dude. There is definitely like a stand on. I'm telling you. I'm just saying.

I guarantee you when you read us the answers, one of them is going to be pink. David? I guarantee. Well, actually, I'll argue that it's... Okay. Is the pixel six color, which I will not say the name of my right? right now do you want that to qualify as an orange no yep I want the availability of the point yeah it's not getting you negative it's fine it's fine I've been out voted it's

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Terms conditions apply. All right, welcome back. We've got a big Apple rumor roundup we're going to get into, but since we're talking about iPhones, I saw something funny on reels and then I've seen it all over the internet since. I think David, you said you saw it already? I also saw it, yeah.

Have you seen this iPhone alarm app thing? No one's. Or can you unlock your iPhone? I want to show it to you. Bang. Okay, so we're going to go into the alarms. You're going to start a new one, and I want you to scroll and just keep scrolling on the hour's side of the app.

Just keep going. Keep going. Keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going. Just one through 12 over and just keep going. Keep going. Keep going. Just keep going as fast as you can. This is riveting. There it is, and it stops.

It is not a circle. It is just a really, really long list. of one numbers 1 through 12 in the alarm. Why is it so concerning? This is really concerning. That's when you know all technology is just a series

of small pins stacked on top of each other. This is held together with a duct table. And Sam often thinks were close to AGI. They can't even make a circle. Wow. That's really funny. Yeah. Is it a minute the same way?

think or no? I don't know. Is it what? The minutes? I just saw that. Oh, I'm not sure. I'm not willing to try. I really want to know why they did that. If you write code specifically for the Apple clock app. There has to be a reason. Yeah. I mean, it's probably just easier, but this is probably, oh, it's stopped. The minutes end to. The minutes end two. The minutes end to 439. The list ends at 309. Imagine AM and PM. Is that when the world ends? Is it like the mine, it's the secret mine calendar? It's the secret mine clock hidden in the iPhone. I wonder, I wonder if it was just a, uh, Just a placeholder

I think what happened Yeah Phone companies do that a lot these days I bet you what happened was that the iPhone The original iPhone They like didn't yet have a way To just make it circular Which I don't see why they wouldn't have

To be honest But what I will say It's probably a remnant from that Nobody ever realized that it was that way still And they just never changed it You only just now on iOS 26 Just got the ability to change Your snooze duration

To not be nine minutes okay it's been a decade of the clock app wait the snooze was default nine minutes yeah that feels like an insane it's been nine minutes for everyone who's ever had an iPhone for the entire history of time until ios 26 so anytime anyone's ever snooze an iPhone it's perfect their auto like brain memory added nine minutes at the time yeah and that's kind of just like the way it was for forever and you just got the ability to choose snooze duration in the iPhone no it makes so you never set an alarm for And, like, it's always, there's a five or a zero in the minutes, right? Correct.

Yeah. Okay. And therefore, with nine minutes of snooze, you have 60 seconds left to get out of bed at a round number. Exactly. That's good psychology. Then you have two minutes. And by the time you hit snooze, a few seconds has also gone by. You know.

And then you've got to get out of bed. So when you're actually standing up, it will be 10 minutes later. As someone who hit snooze twice this morning, if you're hitting snooze twice, you're not serious enough to you can think about ground. my hot take is we shouldn't have snooze buttons dude that is a hot take you need more yeah because you need more urgency are I okay there's two I can't remember the last time I snoozed in a lot well I'm sorry is urgency orange I think it's sand I was gonna say before we get into these rumors there's two types of people and I would like to hear from

each of you which type of person you are okay you either have one or two alarms or you have entirely two many alarms how many alarms do you have how many alarms do you have anger clock app right now you want to see i feel like i know which one you are just based on the way you asked me that i feel like i know which one i feel like you do before you even ask the question which and andrew you used to be one but now i'm not sure well the funny thing is is i had a lot of alarms but none of them were for waking up right they were just my like test i did delete a bunch last week because i had a bunch of the same ones okay these are these are the ones i have right now which is like eight.

That's not horrible. Two of them say move car. One of them says switch two. Nice. One of them says get up. One of them says alarm. Okay. Yeah.

I have three right now, but these are very old. One says new balance. One says dates for waveform. And one says fire tin. Okay. Good. Because do I understand, are you saying like in the morning when you wake up, you have an alarm like every three.

minutes going off. Or you specifically talk about how with the iPhone, you have to create an alarm, and then it gets added to a bank. And then even if it's not active, it doesn't get deleted until you physically deleted. So it's part that, but it's also part like there are people who are just like, I'm going to take a nap. Let me just set an alarm for 12, 420. Or I'm going to go remind myself with this alarm and you just start stacking alarms and you never delete any of them. That's what you're talking about. What about timers? I thought you were talking alarms. Because I have a bunch of timers. That's fine. That's fine. Alarms is crazy. Markquez, let me go get my phone. Hold on. I thought Marquez, I thought you meant you're either someone who has one alarm and you, like, wake up immediately, or you're someone who knows when the alarm hits, you're going to, like, stop it and you have, like, 10 alarms set up for the next hour.

That's another duality of man. Yeah, I usually snooze once every day. I don't, yeah. I'm a non- snoozer. Well, also, I have another alarm called Lane, and it's a lot harder to snoozer. Fair enough. Yeah, my take is that we shouldn't have a snooze function. because the entire point of the alarm is to wake up.

And when if I wake up and then snooze, if I sleep for 10 more minutes, I feel more tired than the first time I woke up. It's always a trap. So just get up when your alarm goes off like you're supposed to. That's the entire point of the alarm. You sound like me like a month ago

when I was arguing about discipline on the phone. Yeah. Remember that? Yeah, I do. I don't disagree with you. I don't disagree with you. I agree because I have no discipline. The thing that I do is put the phone on the other side of the room.

So you have to get up to go turn it off. And at that point, yeah. I'm not saying I do this better because what I do is I wake up and then I fall back asleep. Right. I don't get out of bed. Okay. Like, I just don't think that we should have the capability. I also think humans like naturally become more comfortable with whatever is happening in their surroundings.

So I'm curious if that's ever backfired where the alarm across the room one day just isn't enough to get you out of bed. No, it's really annoying Every time Especially because I live with my fiancé Obviously, so I have to get up Before she yells at you Because she'll get pissed It does backfire sometimes

Though when it's like a weekend And I forgot to like set it off And it goes off at like 5 a year Or like if you have a Monday one Yesterday was Labor Day Like I had things like notifying me That were normal workday things I love waking up at normal time on a holiday

It's kind of realizing you get to get back to sleep I'll say I love my wife watch alarm, but if I happen to be sleeping at the perfect point where my hands are close enough together, like under my pillow on my stomach or something, and the alarm goes off. It's quiet. I think just like second nature hits the button immediately, and then it's an hour past when I'm supposed to wake up.

Yeah. That's bad news. Wait, while Ellis tells us about his alarms, we also need to check in on his battery life. Well, were you charging it? I just charged my phone. Yeah, that's why. You ruined the bit. It's still only 80.

It's less than 80. How long were you charging it for? I started charging it right before we started taping. So it's been on the charger for an hour, and it was off the charger between 8.30 and... It should be full. It should be full. By the way, Peter McKinnon on threads two nights ago was like,

just found the iPhone mini in my drawer. Insane that Apple made this. I kind of want to use it again. Anybody else they're using this? and I wanted to tag Ellis, but he doesn't have a thread. Yeah, 76%. Okay. Really, uh, damn.

How many alarms do you have? Okay, so I just want to say, I don't, I don't set any alarms. Like, I use the iPhones wake up, wake up time. What? Like, like my phone has an alarm. It might, it turns off notifications at 1115, and an alarm goes off at 7.30. Okay. Every day.

But no other alarm? Only one alarm needed. Wait, what about when you have other stuff going on? They need an alarm for? Yeah. Do you use, like, the reminders app or anything? Oh, Lord. No wonder your battery doesn't.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Ellis is the side. I know more than... I got so tired of having to create an alarm for every random time that I needed stuff. That's so much harder. That I just leave it. I leave an alarm for pretty much every minute of the day until the evening.

I know people like this. And I'm like, I don't know. When you have to scroll to find the right alarm, I just feel like that's too much. No, no, no, no, no. you create an alarm, you've got to scroll through that end of that, that not endless list. It's the same thing. I'm just scrolling once instead of on three different sliders.

Was Ellis here for making fun of me for folders on my doc? No. Oh. You're going to make fun of me because of the alarm. I'm not going to because you didn't make fun of me. I'm just saying. Let me hear it. No, no, no. Please. I was just going to say one of those things is more insane. And it's the alarm stuff. One of those things is more insane.

What? You, oh, you look at your dock every time you go to your home screen. I never set alarms. I guess that would kind of beg I feel like you took them all the time It looks like you set them a lot Wow Soon you guys are going to make fun of me Because all the lead in my apartment

Some of the alarm names are pretty good too I don't know what they're about in retrospect You have a 4 a.m. A. 407 a.m. A 4.20 a. 4.7? Because I don't want to create a new alarm for every... So much nuance. I just change... 5 o'clock, 506 5 o'clock? I'm dying to know I need it to be like a 5.06

for some reason. Actually, I didn't remember earlier when I was like, you always set an alarm for a round number. I guess I don't even do. Circadium rhythm, baby. Well, in other iPhone news, I'm going to turn your screen off so it doesn't die. In other iPhone news, we are, we are expecting some new iPhones to come out, which Ellis is going to pre-order. Yeah, we're around that time of year. It's September, it's September.

So the September Apple event has been announced. It's next Wednesday as you listen to this. and we are expecting some things mostly based around the iPhone 17s. Sorry, next Tuesday, good call. Yeah. And we're expecting mostly iPhone 17 stuff. Most of it is pretty similar to,

I mean, this could be yet another iterative year for the iPhone before a maybe more interesting year with a folding iPhone, but it depends on how you think of the air. Depends on how interesting that is to you. I mean, we did get a design. It seems like we're getting a design change. So a small design change.

It's not much, but at the same time In the Apple ethos, this feels like something. Yeah. In iPhone world, you know, when I review the Portia 9-11, I said the same thing. And then when I review the iPhone a couple years ago, I compare it to the Portion 9-11. It's so important of a product to this company that any tiny little change that they make to this product is monumentally important and will be scrutinized and analyzed and will have massive implications for the rest of the entire company's products. So they don't tend to change very much about the iPhone. And so when there is a little bit of a design change or a little bit of a little bit of soft.

change or a lineup change like a new iPhone like the air gets announced we're gonna make a big deal about it because you know this is some statement from Apple about the future of the phone whatever but yeah it's just it's minor incremental updates to the iPhone yeah so yeah what are we expecting yeah so I put together sort of a rumor roundup you might say but not like the spray you know that Monsanto got sued for like a lot okay so anyway there's the pros Okay, we're going to start with the pros. iPhone 17 and iPhone 17 Pro. Yeah, okay.

So we, everyone's saying, oh, it's a huge design change. It's crazy. You know what they did? They took this little glass piece and they moved it over here. They extended it. Kind of like a visor. And then they. Yeah.

Yeah. And then they took the flash and the microphone and the LIDAR. Is that LIDAR? Right? Yes, still LIDAR. Yeah. And they put it on the right side. So now it is a rectangle.

I guess a square is also a rectangle, but it is specifically a rectangle and not a square. And it goes all the way across the device. Okay, I have a question for you. Yes. Remember when the leaks started happening of the iPhone notch? And that started coming out and everyone's freaking out. And then they announced it with the dynamic island. So everyone's like, yeah, okay.

Do you think they're going to have some sort of like thing software-wise that they announce with this? That will make it seem more okay. I'm trying to find a video we made. Do you think you're going to be in class right now, Andrews? I think that, my take was that they added that to look more like more glass because they wanted to play off the liquid glass thing. So you think it's like purely an aesthetics thing? Yeah. Yeah, this kind of feels like it.

This sack of the phone change feels pretty purely aesthetic to me. The only thing I could possibly see them arguing is that a bigger cutout. out on the back of the phone, maybe could have some better cell signal or whatever, maybe with a millimeter wave. I don't think that's actually what they're going to say. But yeah, I don't know how they're going to justify it. I mean, there is a rumor that they're going to now have a 48 megapixel. All three cameras are going to be 48 megapixels this year.

So it is the first time that they've all been that resolution. I don't think that you need more glass in order to make it that. Although, you know, this LiDAR camera and this flash do take up space on the inside. So it is possible that parts of the camera module are larger in certain aspects. Yeah. That could be interesting. The Pro Max is supposed to be a little bit thicker this year for a bigger battery. So it's possible that they actually differentiate the thickness and battery a little bit more this year.

You know, that's a really nice thing to do is make the big phone thicker when you're also planning on introducing a thin version. That's what I was thinking. So apparently it's only going to be on the max, which is interesting to me. I thought that they should make both pro phones thicker. And then the air will feel even thinner than it actually is. Yeah, but if you're Apple, you've got to stratify the lineup and give people a reason to climb up. So if you climb up from like a regular phone to a pro, you get better cameras. But if you climb up from a pro to a pro max, you also get better battery.

It'll physically be the latter. If you stack the three phones next to each other, you can walk. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. There's supposed to be a 24 megapixel selfie camera this year because most of the manufacturers are making high resolution selfie cameras.

And potential move back to aluminum. From, so we're at titanium now. Yeah, because we've had titanium for two years. Which we got to from stainless steel, which we got to from aluminum. Bingo. Okay. So we're back. We're back.

But is it a circle or is it like the clock gap where we just keep going? It's a really long way. I don't get a really long list. By the way, I found the answer to that. Apparently, a loop is more complex to code. I'm sure.

Just coding a straight list. They're a trillion-dollar company. Let's not give them a pass on that one. A list is pretty easy to code. Yeah. Okay. And then, like we said earlier in last month, there may be a vapor chamber situation going on.

Yeah. That could also be a pro max only thing? Or is that crazy? It could be. I got to say with how hot liquid glass has been running for me, like this update is, it makes the phone get really hot. Yeah, you know what? It's been interesting reading some of the coverage about liquid glass and all the beta updates we've been seeing because there have been obviously aesthetic differences that people have been tracking between beta 1, beta 2, beta 3, but there's also been graphical intensity differences and battery life differences that people have also been tracking. And so we see like the obvious ones that make headlines or like are a fun tweet or whatever

where it's like they frosted it, they unfrosted it, they refrosted it, cool. But the amount that some of these animations hit your battery has also varied dramatically between betas as they try to lock this down and optimize it. And obviously they want to make it as efficient as possible, but it is kind of curious seeing like they've committed to this bit so now they need to optimize all of the stuff going on. Well, that's what kind of freaks me the hell out as we're about to move. move to iPhone Air, how bad is the battery life going to be on that if it's been pretty bad on liquid glass on the Pro Max that I'm using? Yeah, I'm on, so are you on the public beta

now or still developer beta 8? Okay. So I'm on public beta on my iPhone and dev beta 8 on my iPad. Okay. My iPad's getting nuked. Yeah. I went from like 70 to 45 watching a YouTube video, which is crazy. But my iPhone on the public beta has been much more stable. battery-wise lately so I'm curious about that too not sure if it means anything but we put Alice's phone on public beta what do you think this percentage battery is now by the way oh it's actually the same nice I thought it was just going to get cruised up the end it just plummet as we sat here yeah well speaking of the iPhone air the rumors are it's going to be 5.5 millimeters thin she it is

going to have a 6.6 inch display it will have a single 48 megapixel camera on the back. Standard A-19 chip, so not the pro-chip, which I assume will have, it will not run as hot theoretically. Bloomberg is also reporting that it may have pro-motion. What? Yeah, in a dynamic island. Weird, but okay.

Yeah, great. Is it pro-motion not for pros anymore? Well, I'm wondering if they might call it like promotion light or something and just make it not one to 120, like maybe a variable refresh rate. This promotion? Air motion. 60 to 120. Oh, interesting.

Well, see, this is one of those things that's right on the line for, is Apple going to want to even address or explain this to the masses, like the difference between LTPS and LTPO? I think for regular people, well, this is not even arguable. For most regular people using these phones, the difference between 60 and 120 or 1 to 120 is imperceptible. So should they even bother saying it? I don't even think that they would say that. I think that in the presentation, they would say, it now does 120 hertz and not mention that it's 60 and 120 instead of 1 to 120. I think that's what they would do.

I think they wouldn't change the branding. I think they would say it's pro motion because it goes up to 120. And then we'd have to discover that it's 60 to 120 instead of 1. Maybe it is 1 to 120, and they had to do it because the battery life was so bad when it was 60 to 120 that they put it at 1. Because if it's going to have an always on display, they're going to want it to refresh one time a second, you know? So, yeah, we'll see.

I don't know, because I don't think Apple has ever brought a pro monikered feature to the regular models. Right. But it is one of those things where the iPhone has been ridiculed every single year since ProMotion was invented for still having 60 Hertz on the regular iPhone. Yeah. For the price they charge. And they've kept that true. They've kept ProRes video. They've kept ProMotion.

They've kept pro raw photos. They've kept everything with the word pro. for only the pro phones. Yeah. So that would be the first time they did something different. Yeah, yeah. The error is also expected

to use the Apple C1 modem, which lacks 5G millimeter wave connectivity. Mm-hmm. Cool. It's supposed to cost around $900, which is, you know, it's kind of right in between there. Yeah, that's what the plus was, right?

No. The plus was 800, 900? 900. 900? 900. I think that was 800. Or no, 800 for the base, 900 for the plus. So now it's 900 for the pro, or for the air.

That makes sense. Just go to Apple.com literally right now. Shop iPhone 16 plus. It's 799, 899. Yeah. So it's just replacing the plus. So it seems like they're basically just trying to keep it just as desirable as the plus. I think the plus was like a horrible selling phone last year, the standard plus.

The pro max sold really, really, really well. the pro sold better than they expected and then the standard sold pretty well but the plus like barely sold which was a weird thing for them because they only make the plus because generally the big phones sell better replace the mini to replace the mini but it turns out that awkward middle child just like never sells well in the price ladder I guess what size are they going to go in two years when the air doesn't work mini again it's a really long list It's landscape. Landscape. You go straight to trifold from there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, true. True. Yeah, and then so colors on the pro are supposed to be black, white, dark blue, and orange. I'm so excited for the orange. The orange is insane looking. Orange or like pink orange. Like definitively orange? No, it's orange.

We started seeing people do video. The videos on the models and people get their hands on, and it seems like it's like very orange. Yes, but if you remember, do you remember Desert Titanium? Desert, uh. Desert titanium. Yeah. Band-aid. Hey.

This is the first phone I've ever cracked, by the way. Oh, I know. Anyway, the early models and leaks of this were brown. Do you remember that? A little bit. We did a whole thing. Are they making a brown iPhone? Oh, I made that.

waveform thumbnail and I think I put the throwing up emoji great great CTR I'm just saying that the color renders that we end up getting are often quite off from what they actually end up looking like fair enough so it's it's very possible that it's not orange but it's you know sand to me I've never seen this car in person as has barely anyone but to me the iPhone orange is like the McLarence Senna orange like it's just darker and browner Senna orange. Is that like McLaren

Papaya orange or a different one? Is that... I don't... It's the color of the McLaren Sena. Oh, yeah. This is like more of a copper. Yeah, it's like coppery. Yeah.

I don't know. Well, the models, yeah, are very different. Yeah. Anyway, then the air is supposed to come in black, silver, gold, and light blue. Kind of like a baby blue. This is the year of baby blues. Yeah, because we've got that laptop.

A lot of light blue phones. Okay. And then a regular iPhone, new colors, ProMotion, not that different. If they wanted that to sell better, it probably won't, which is funny. Well, you said ProMotion and the regular iPhone? Yeah, so they said, well, the rumor right now

is the pro-Iphone, all of the iPhones are supposed to have ProMotion. And, uh, okay, yeah, bring it on. That's the rumor. It's about damn time. Do you think all the iPhones will also have the visor? No, only the pros. Only pros. The, on the air has, like, its own function.

Well, yeah. Yeah. So, like, the regular iPhone will still have the current. camera bump situation. That's what the rumors and the models that I've got out so far. Apple Watch Ultra 3 is supposed to have a larger display. Even larger? Even larger.

It will now have support for satellite texting because the Pixel, you know, the Pixel watch has that now, the satellite SOS messaging. Potentially a high blood pressure indicator. So I can know when I'm so angry at all of you. We can't record because it's just beeping the whole time. The Ultra, sorry, the Apple Watch 11 will also have the satellite texting and blood pressure indicator according to rumors and the SE, they're going to announce a new one, theoretically, rumor mill, apparently. The way you're saying it sounds like you know everything. It sounds like you're trying not to pretend that you don't know.

Everyone always thinks that we have Apple stuff weeks ahead of time. We literally find out when you do. Apple is the company that doesn't pre-breed. anyone and yeah I posted a picture on Twitter today that it was from an iPhone 16 pro and a whole bunch of comments were like this is from a 17 isn't it no I just want to say Apple actually does us one dirtier than not telling us anything where they'll they'll like texting you Marquez and be like like a PR personal texting be like in three weeks we'll have something and we think you're going to like it and no you'll be like can you

tell me anything and they'd be like you should buy a plane ticket and you're like yeah yeah and they're like and then they're like it's the screening of F1 and Apple they won't even tell you for like six hours before they'd be like so that thing that we've been hyping you up for

immersive video we have new leather cases this is so accurate like seven times out of ten I feel like I have a pretty good handle of what they're going to tell me and three times out of ten I'll show up and I'm like oh I'm just going to leave this is not what I need to be doing right now

Anyway, the Apple Watch SE, it seems like apparently, I don't know this for sure, but they're going to change from aluminum to plastic and they're going to market it to kids instead of, you know, being, because the SE has always just been like the affordable edition. Yes. But now it seems like, okay, there's not enough difference anymore between, because the SE, the last SE was in the Apple Watch 6 chassis, which just happened to have smaller bezels, basically. And that was kind of the main thing. missing, like, a few features. But now, the S.E might move to plastic and we marketed towards kids. Plastic to me, I mean, you, to me, a plastic one. More like SC, am I right? I don't know that.

On the iPhone 5C. Oh, yes. The last plastic one. Yeah. But a really cheap Apple Watch with cellular to give to a kid instead of giving them a phone, but still being able to, like, contact emergency services, honestly feels like a great. Yeah. Because there's, you can't distract yourself as much on that.

I bet. I bet. I can already say, like, I got my phone in seventh grade because I started playing sports at different schools and, like, have an emergency thing. Lots of parents, I think, are buying their phones. Kids that can do so much more now because of a situation like that. But you can't fiddle around on a watch as much as you can on a phone. Yeah. I heard two really interesting stories recently. One, I forgot who was telling me that their high school or whatever, the school that they came from banned smartphone, like banned phone. So the kids can't have phones. They put them in a locker before they go to school. Those little, like, blocks bags that they have to unlock at the end of the day. So not allowed to have a phone. Obviously, the kids all have burners, but it is what it is. And then the other one is like, I'm thinking, this kind of makes more sense than more I think about it.

Obviously, plastic is like a bummer of a headline. Yeah. But there is this whole huge market of these cheaper location, texting, et cetera, type of watches that people are willing to get their kids before they get them a smartphone. And I think Apple can compete there if. if the price is also lower. It'd have to be like $99. Yeah.

If you switch to plastic and you're going to aim for this market, obviously, okay, it's Apple. They're going to be the premium one in that market, but it can't be $250. It has to be cheaper than that. So I kind of wonder if that's what they're going to do. They're just going to go, all the way down here. It's the entry level.

Your four-year-old is going to finally love iMessage and I'm going to get their first phone. And guess what? It's going to be an iPhone. And then you're in. So I could see them actually going for that market. And do you know what they'll say? $99, you don't

want to make sure your kid's safe or just another 150? I think we can do 20. Are they going to have like a sob? That's the funny. Oh. I, Andrew, I do think you had a million dollar idea though, which is a plastic cellular Apple watch that has a phone

and Apple music. There's those old phones that were like four buttons on it and it was just four phone or four numbers you could call and an emergency service. I feel like a child slash teenager could get all their socializing done with something like that and also avoid

endless scrolling on internet rain rot, evil group chats. Yeah, I mean, there are people out here trying to make

their watch their primary device. That's true. I mean, I'm only buying Lane in Apple Watch SC and an Apple Vision Pro.

That's all she needs. That thing is heavier. The Apple Vision Pro is heavier than her body. She's like... Really work on the neck muscles with that.

Weirdly, the only place I've ever in the wild seen in Apple Vision Pro is on a plane or in the airport. That's the only place I've ever actually seen it. Have you ever seen one not related to like in a cafe or something?

I don't, I've never seen that. Huh. Okay. Interesting. We got some new stuff. Air pods pro could be getting an update, could be adding heart rate monitoring, which they already have in the Power Beats Pro 2. Wasn't it, couldn't you not listen to music at the same time when you were doing the heart rate monitoring?

Yeah, because music would make your heart rate go up, bro. You'll have such a good time. I think that was true at launch. I don't know if they patched that with a software. Does it have to monitor? I thought there was something weird where they couldn't... Yeah. I can see that.

Yeah. Well, there may be a new H3 chip. Not sure what that would do, but it would do something. Redesigned smaller charging case with no pairing buttons. So I'm assuming they're going to have some sort of, I don't know, different way to pair it, like NFC or something. Ideally. Which would make it really hard to pair to an Android phone. It might make it hard.

I mean, it might just trigger Bluetooth pairing. Maybe. Because, like, well, what would? The NFC chip. Oh. Like if you like a there's a lot of NFC chips now where you like even the old Sony WH 1000 whatever is used to have like an NFC chip and it would Bluetooth pair at your Android phones I mean even my like nothing has quick pair I just open them and my yeah that's fast pair yeah but that's like a that's like a dedicated Qualcomm thing that they have yeah Apple has their own version of that in the H chip so yeah I guess with my power my beats pro I have to hold the button down to connect them yeah so we'll see I remember it was like a year ago that we saw it all of those mock-up AirPods cases that had like the screen on them but I haven't heard any news of anything related to that recently so whether or not they scrapped it or if that's just

coming later I'm not sure and then one thing that I didn't write down because I know you're not going to care apparently Apple Vision Pro may may get the 5 the M5 chip I'm just kidding yeah so I don't know why they're still making them they probably have a lot of that they could just sell instead of putting a new chip in it. Yeah. But that's sort of the rumors. I think it will be interesting to see what new features come out on the phone. I want to know about the new video features that the iPhone gets and the new photography

and video features because that's always like really fun. Like they did the studio quality mics. They, you know, if you want to call them studio quality, they've done the, you know, they did pro res at first and then it was pro res raw and then it was, uh, Then you've got Peres Log and all this stuff. Like every year they kind of like up the video game more and more and more and more. So I'm just very curious what they bring to it this year. I think that would be pretty cool.

Same. I do plan on shooting whatever autofocus video comes out after the event or whenever the iPhone reviews come out with the iPhone, just so we can see how much better it's got. So subscribe is a nice plug to the autofocus channel. And of course, Wayform. And of course. And Wayform. You must already be subscribed to Wayform though, obviously.

Oh, no. A lot of people are watching the other channels before you plug ours. Yeah, that's my bad. Well, now you're subscribed everywhere, so it's all good. Yeah, so, yeah. After this week, you will know, and so will we. And we will be recording at Apple Park. Looking forward to that.

Because it'll be cool. Wait, wait, do it again. More exciting, though. And we'll be recording at Apple Park. That's what it's going to sound like. It's going to be reverb as hell. Sick. Cool.

Okay. Wait, sorry, Marquez. What is it going to be? Reverbie, A-F. I'm trying to throw it with autofocus again. Adam, can you get the button. Trivia time. Vibhift.

Trivia. All right, October 4th, 2016. Do you guys know what happened that? Yeah. What happened? Not the trivia question. Pixel 1. Correct.

The original pixel announced October 4th, 2016, had a DX Omark. That was the best scoring camera. I remember the DXO.C., because I got a brain, bro. Is that the question? That's the question. What does the DXO? I remember this. What is wrong with you?

You remember the exact day and DXO score of this phone? And you don't know the iPhones' like default ringtones? We have different priorities. Do you guys want a bonus question? Was that the question? That was the question. What was the DXO score? Ninety-one.

Of the pixel first one. Pixel one. Did Markis get it right? I don't know. He wrote it down. I wrote it down, but I didn't share it. Okay. But we can get it.

There was another phone that year that got the same score later that year. Oh, yeah. Do you remember what that phone was? Well, way, P20. That's actually what I was going to say. I was going to write it. Sorry. That wasn't it.

It wasn't it. So you still have hope. Oh. P10 pro? No, it's this one right here. P30 pro? Hey. Oh, it's P30?

I'm pretty sure it was. There's the blueish one, right? Y'all was with like the three. That was bronze colored I think it was like the blue and purple one That's what I'm thinking of Yeah the P30 Pro was like the purple and blue What was the bronze P40 Pro?

Yeah it was yeah This is P20 Pro So we were wrong That was such a beautiful phone But that's not it Remember when we colors like that? Okay Remember what we colors like that?

Yeah colorful phones We don't have two colors on one phone Even if it's orange now It's not this Andrew's Lemongrass Piscatorade phone Ellis Ellis, look at this Beautiful.

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which was the what? the Experia 1-7 came out and then everyone continued to make the joke maybe that's what the debacle was that we didn't know it came out. That we didn't know it came out. Sony has never been great at marketing. Marquez made an entire video

called Why People Don't Buy Sony Smartphones. The TLDR is usually they like announce a phone, they send it to reviewers, have an embargo and then no one sees that phone or at least the US doesn't see the phone for like six months. The embargo is in February and it gets launched at B&H exclusively in September.

It's like they're trying to not sell the phone. So we have that video if you want to see it, but that's actually not what happened here. Apparently, after being announced in May and then released in June, they had multiple reports of the phone just straight up, rebooting, shutting down, and then not turning back on. That's a debacle. That's what I like to pay $1,700.

Apparently, it was a bad circuit board. and they completely pause the sales of the phone globally. They have fixed it. They started a replacement program. Phones are now starting to launch at the end of August, or now it's September. And you can get the Sony Xperio 1-7, which this is a brutal way of learning that there is a Sony Xperio-1-7. How much does it cost? I'm not totally sure.

$1,400 euro. It seems like pretty standard Sony phone, like great display. It's up there with everything, good cameras. 5,000 million-power battery. Headphone jack. Headphone jack, most important. Yeah, yeah. $1,130 U.S. dollars.

$1,600. Yeah, that's also pretty part for the course for Sony phone. Pretty damn expensive for really great specs. Variable Zoom. It's there, but too bad if you can't turn it on. That would be tough. That would be tough. Sony did say they are going to work on improving their quality control in the future.

Wish they had that in the beginning. that's a great thing to work on I have one other quick story that I think a few people in this room not that they know anything about it but are going to be pretty sad about YouTube is now flagging accounts on premium family plans that aren't

in the same household are you guys all on a family plan no what how many of you guys are on this family plan? Are you all on this family plan? I'm pretty sure they've talked about it on I could not join Adam's family because I've already part of David's family

and they're like, why you got two families? Hey, you're outing us right now, bro? You get out us live on the pod me. I'm beating all of that. No, wait, I checked my email. I have not gotten the, we caught your ass. So we're still good. Yeah, but you're publicly telling everybody now.

I'm privately telling you five, four, and there just happens to be some 4K cameras and microphones in front of me. We can cut it. They're not going to come and get us. Yeah, they won't come and get us. Well, they're coming to get everyone. That's the whole point of me posting this year.

There were posts in, like, 2019, that said Spotify is going to shut you down. If you don't live together, I'm still on a Spotify family plan with my college roommates, okay? Why are you outing yourself right now? $2. As soon as this gets published, you're going to get an email. No. Well, so, like, we all saw, we all had the Netflix thing where eventually Netflix used to brag about being able to share accounts. That's true.

Then they decided to hold on a minute. And they saw a very large rise in subscribers after they actually, yeah, actually did work. We're not even sharing an account. I know. They're just tearing families apart. They're going to tear our family apart. Yeah. If you don't know, you can have up to five people in a premium family plan, which is $23 a month. So some people, again, don't know any, might split up that $23 a month and be in a family plan despite being under the same rooftop household.

You're saying they would lie about being family. It does say, what is the thing about that? Yeah, exactly. You know, it's funny. I don't have any cousins. But I got a whole lot of families. I got my Spotify family. I got my YouTube family. I got my Apple family. David, to save $8 a month.

Will you marry me? Tax reasons. Not even tax reasons. Just so we can keep our YouTube family plan together. Yeah. We'd have to live together, though. That's the problem, right? Yeah, it still doesn't matter.

You'd have to live with you, but I'd marry you. You have to be in the same household? You have to be in the same household. That's crazy. That's an even wackier definition of family. Yeah, that's the thing is I think it's past the family section of this because that just means a roommate is more of a family than my mom is to me right now. Yeah, we can just go to Olive Garden because when you're there, your family.

That's true. That's the loophole. If everyone goes to Olive Garden, they can't take away our YouTube premiums. That's right. So I'm seeing if you do get caught, you get an email that says your YouTube premium family membership will be paused. It appears you may not be in the same. same household as your family manager and your membership will be paused in 14 days. Once your access is paused, you'll remain in the family group and you can watch YouTube

with ads, but you will no longer have YouTube premium benefits. Do you think they know that from like Wi-Fi networks? Just IP and, yeah, Wi-Fi. David, do you use a VPN? No. No, but I think you would be the one because you're the household. You're the head of house. Why are we saying this on a popular YouTube show?

This is a bad idea. Um, but yeah, I, it, yeah, you know, obviously that like, it said in the rules, you're not supposed to do this, this still feels. Why'd you look at me when you said that? I didn't. I looked at the camera. It still feels weird. And I feel like a lot of people aren't going to get kicked off of this plan and then go, oh, yeah, I'll pay $14 a month. Because they only wanted to do it because it was cheaper.

I'm someone who pays $14 a month. I personally think it's worth how often I use it. So you're saying you hate your family. but on the other side it just calling it a family plan just feels stupid because obviously a lot of people have actual families it's called a group plan or something well household plan the exact same address plan it's that part's weird and I don't know also the more I was like reading this I was remembering all the features you get like offline downloads and picture and like screen off those should just be features on YouTube.

It's really stupid to lock those behind it. I think just no ad saves me enough time. I know, but, yeah, I don't know. Yeah. I love YouTube premium, but I just don't think that many people are going to convert. They're just going to get kicked off. And I think those families are going to. It works for Netflix.

So that is the other thing. A lot of people that use YouTube and, like, turn off the screen, put it in their pocket. Yep. Yeah. So was this let everybody take advantage of it for a long? time and then realize they can't live without those features and ads any class yes way to do it it's the classic way to do it amazon today announced basically the same thing as well they just ended shared prime free shipping outside your home oh so yeah i think that was slightly different though

because i think that was like a specific feature right like if i had prime i would like let you use it it's not like you were logging and pretending to be me it was like i could share the prime shipping feature. Yeah, but you're not logging, Ellis is not logging in pretending to be me. He has a separate YouTube account in our family plan. Yeah, no, I mean, that's what I mean. Like, I think it is slightly different. I love watching YouTube.

I don't think I could watch YouTube without premium. And I don't know if I love YouTube enough to pay $14 a month for it. I think you do. I think it's worth it. I'll be real. It's probably, it's my most I pay for Netflix and Disney Plus and those things and the

I get the most bang for my buck out of the YouTube But that's just my personal viewing. Yeah. I watch a lot of YouTube. We talk about the, you know, companies artificially pushing their pro and non-pro products further and further apart. I think YouTube and YouTube premium might have the biggest delta in experience

between each other. Like, YouTube is almost unusable without it's rough. Premium slash no ads. Yeah. And some of the ads that I see on Free Tube is like. Bad. Like Twitter level. Yeah.

Like, oh my God. Yeah, like pills. Like a six-hour, like, supplement infomercial. Yeah. Well, I get whenever, like, I see ads on YouTube all the time for, like, amulets that increase your... Oh, well, those are real. Your something. Power balance pavilion.

Yeah. Oh, my God. I just think offline download should be a regular feature. Yeah. I think that's crazy. And I think there's plenty of people who take a flight once a year that would like to download some YouTube videos that should be able to. That's how they get you.

Well, for legal reasons. I have no family. No, for legal reasons you have, for legal reasons we should be cutting this entire section. For legal reasons, David and I are roommates in his one bedroom apartment. That's right. But we're not married yet. But we're not married yet. But Google doesn't care about that.

It doesn't care about that. They just care that we sleep in the same bed. Yeah, so why is it even called the family plan? It should be called the roommate plan. Yeah. Oh my God. Checkmate, Google. All right.

Yeah, I do think, though, you guys are kind of underestimated. underestimating how crappy the experience is without premium because like for example YouTube videos are getting longer aka this podcast which is probably at like almost two hours now if I forget to uncheck the ad automatic ads on the YouTube video the first like dozen comments will just be like this is unwatchable because like every two minutes there will be an ad it's like ridiculous yeah it's even if you just check midrolls to be enabled because sometimes you do that to do it in the ad slots when we don't have like a regular Vox ad

and then I'll just like automatically add them and I'll look and the whole first page is within the first like five minutes of the video which means that's how they're like seven ads being. It's crazy. Yeah, it's really annoying. We should go on strike. Or we should go on trivia.

Yeah, that's better. Yeah. We're going on strike by not posting YouTube videos. Then we all lose. All right guys. We were just on the same page about something for about 10 minutes, and now we're about to get into a giant argument about what is and is an orange. So everyone chug your red bulls and get ready to get fired up because there have been three orange pixels in the history of the pixel.

Please write down all three names Google gave to the color orange. You have to spell them correctly? That's definitely a spell, no. What could you know? have possibly spelled wrong? That means that answer is not correct. Do you think one of them is like or drangetang? Orangetang.

Orangetang would be a great. Yeah. Are those orange? I don't think so. Orangetans? No. Wait, I got one. They're like redish.

Orangetangetangs? I wouldn't know how to spell it. They're like, they're like burgundy. It's definitely not orange. Flip them and read. They're kind of orange. All right. to go first.

David, why don't you go first? Okay. I put almost orange. Okay. I put sand. I put orange. I also put orange.

I thought there might be a curbel in there. Yeah. I put Clementine. I put psal. I put coral. Oh, coral. Okay. I knew that was.

The pixel seven. Yeah, that's pink. I actually thought it was the four. Do I got to get the phone? Should I get the phone out of the closet? Oh, I remember the phone. Coral one, never mind, no. It was the six, that's the six, right?

Seven. You said seven. Yeah. That one is actually very... No, specifically the seven A. That one was poorly named, but it is very orange. The phone itself is very orange. Thank you.

They used to have orange, just the button would be orange. Like the pixel two had an orange accent button. Remember that? That was the panda. The panda had an orange button. Yeah, that was awesome. I feel like that's more of a coral color. That's why it's called coral.

Yeah. But yeah. Anyway, okay, I put... I put not pink. Okay, I put very orange. And I put very orange is so close. Barely orange. All three those are very close, Marquez.

Dang. That's very on their vibe. What almost orange is not close? The pixel 7A was coral. Okay. The pixel six came in a color called kind of coral. Wow. And the pixel four came in a color called, oh, so orange.

There's literally oh, so orange. Is it really? That is what it was called. And I think that's a color. that's really funny because if you put a question mark and a comma in that thing it goes oh so orange which is what I said wow I had that phone and I didn't know that's what it was called you the orange one it was so good it was one of the best colors yeah actually if you look back because it had black rail matte black rails yep yeah that phone and the the

the squeeze the texture it was a squeeze phone and it had solely which destroyed the battery that was terrible it didn't work that part if you watch the Android Authority YouTube video from that review, it is me and Adam in Central Park in 2018 or whatever. Was that the same video we got kicked out of the Museum of Natural History? Yeah, but there's a cool segment from the Museum of Natural History. We got the shot, baby. We got the shot. Sounds like story time.

Next time. How to watch it. On a future episode of Wayform. All right. Quick update on the score. You look a lot different. Marquez with two. David with two. No, that's... Andrew with five. All right.

My question was The original pixel was announced by DXO Mark as having the best camera score for a smartphone. What was that score? Bonus point. What was the other phone that year that also scored the same score? Didn't we say that out loud already? You were wrong. Idiot.

The phone you guys mentioned came out in 2019. Oh. All right. I'm like 20. Shoot. Okay. What do you got? Let's go David first.

What did you say? Put 97? Nope. Is it too high? And what phone? P30 Pro. Huawei. Nope.

We all put P30 Pro. All right. Well, you all got that wrong. I put 89. No. Oh. I also put 89. Oh, you both put 89?

Was it 987? It was 90. Oh. And the other phone was the HTCU11. Also got a 90 that year. Yeah. That's weird. Yep.

That's really weird. That wasn't a good camera. That was before the pixel came out, though, wasn't it? Came out slightly after, I think. Sony. Got a higher score. Wow. I did not think that was, okay.

Wow. Shout out to DXOMR. Yeah, damn. The Pixel 4 was so close to being perfect at 100. Yeah. Almost did it. Sometimes you got to get a 90 and brag about it. When Marquez was so sure and I saw I had the same answer as him, I was like, let's go.

We're having a good day. Don't worry. Still have way more points than that. I forgot. I was Googling one of the phones you guys had mentioned and it came out in 2019. And this was from 2016, 2017, something like that.

Oh, wow. Okay. We were way off. Well, either way, stay tuned. This episode is coming out right before or right at the beginning of TechTember.

So you already know we're about to dive directly in to, you know, all the stuff that happens at this time of year, every year. So get subscribed. If you haven't already, get subscribed to all the other channels that I've shouted out during this episode,

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music of a very if it's not that fast bingo we got time i was going for my auctioneer I will say we had Gatorade this weekend at our tournament, and it was red and blue, but they were strawberry and, like, blueberry or something. Like, not what you'd expect from red and blue Gatorade. What about cool ranch? It's usually, like, fruit punch. That's red and blue, but not, like, brin and blue. Yeah, it was weird.

It looked like the regular red and blue, and then you drink them. You'd be like... I thought the blue was supposed to be cool ranch. I love that, David. That's the best thing you've ever said. Cool ranch. Do we? Cool ranch.