Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Is This Our Favorite Folding Phone?

Episode Date: December 17, 2021

As the year comes to an end, Marques and Andrew have a grab bag of news topics they discuss before they dive deeper into the new Oppo Find N folding phone. After that they discuss a new challenge that Marques is adding to his morning routine. This one flies by, but it's a fun one. Links: David Imel's video: https://bit.ly/3q1XFqk Verge shopping guide: https://bit.ly/3IZGPAY Mark Rober glitter bomb: https://bit.ly/328RCrY Oppo Find N review: https://bit.ly/3mxDwaX Smartphone Cameras vs Reality: https://bit.ly/3GHv1l8 The Studio short: https://bit.ly/3GVY2tz CGP Grey: https://bit.ly/3IV3wX6 Twitters: https://twitter.com/wvfrm https://twitter.com/mkbhd https://twitter.com/andymanganelli https://twitter.com/AdamLukas17 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wvfrmpodcast/ Shop the merch: shop.mkbhd.com Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'm Marques. And I'm Andrew. In today today's episode i have an article with some tips for how to christmas shop on time well sort of how to save you to christmas shop on time um we have a new oppo folding phone and then we're gonna wrap everything up with kind of how to use our smartphones in a more healthy manner allegedly allegedly yeah that's right um quick fire topics off the start of the show, though. David Amell, team member here at MKBHD Studio, just released a new video called How the Italian Renaissance Can Save the Smartphone Camera. Very, very interesting. It's a good title. It's a really solid title. It's not two things you would connect, I think, regularly.

regularly um really cool historical look into just like paintings and photos and how they use light and contour and and different like styles of painting and then kind of comparing them to smartphones today kind of how smartphones work these days some of the really impressive things that smartphone cameras can do and also some of the things that they're now starting to not do so well some people could say so highly recommend it it'll be in the show notes um definitely worth a watch yeah it kind of reminds me of our we did our smartphone cameras versus reality video yeah which is a little more along the lines of we have you know photography by definition is just capturing light but not anymore we have computational photography which is now you're capturing the

light but then you're doing a whole bunch of computing to spit out an image that is a representation of reality but not exactly reality and so that's that's sort of an interesting topic all together so we'll we'll link both of these of course in the show notes below that like button uh but i we want to come back to do content we liked a couple a couple short shout outs a couple here you want to go first uh yeah yeah so well besides david's we also uh if you're aware of mark rober's glitter bomb video every year if you're aware his new one came out we were just talking about that before like if you're aware it's more of everyone knows what it is it just surprised me that it came out So this is more of a PSA to go watch it because his glitter bomb and his squirrel trap videos

have kind of like transcended YouTube. I feel like these are videos that my mom will tell me. Have you seen the new Mark Rober like or the squirrel video or the glitter video? And it's like, oh, I didn't realize that's out yet. You don't even really watch YouTube. How are you telling me about this? That's how popular they are. It's like the most relatable possible thing i mean this is the time of year where

everyone's shipping things right so if you're getting a gift or shipping a gift package packages being stolen are just a very common thing this time of year especially i know mark mark thinks about these types of things he's a smart guy um but that's that's definitely one of those things the squirrel thing is like oh everyone knows what a squirrel is, but just like seeing how nimble and smart they really are is just something you've probably wondered about. So the package one, the glitter bomb video this year, obviously he makes improvements to it and improvements on how it sprays glitter improvements on how the package works. My favorite was, I don't want to spoil anything, but he improved how the packages get left on the doorsteps this year in the most

fascinating way possible um i'll leave that for you to go look at but i haven't watched it yet so i'm gonna i'm definitely gonna watch it yeah uh you have something you want to i've got a couple yeah let me let me give a shout out to first off we did a video on the studio channel it's a short and we just talked through the making of our Fairphone video thumbnail. So if you want our little behind the scenes on the step-by-step of how that came to be, that exists and you can watch it. But also one of my favorite YouTubers, CGP Grey, he doesn't upload very often, but when he does, it's always really interesting. And he recently did a couple of videos of fully uncut Tesla self-driving betas in various different situations.

So I watched a lot of his on it taking on urban roads, which is kind of interesting to see how it handles city streets, which are usually very variable. But he also did one of it handling America's most deadly road, the twisty road with all sorts of cliffs. Where is it? Do you know? I don't know. I can click on it right now and show you. Oh, it's like a cliff road? It's, yeah. It's one of those roads that has lots of turns and lots of places to mess up.

I was going to say, I feel though like it would do pretty well there because it doesn't have as many variables in terms of messing up, but if you mess up, you really mess up. Yeah, pretty high stakes. High stakes. So, yeah, it's literally just uncut footage from the front of the car showing how it handles it and he doesn't intervene at all. So, yeah, I don't have the beta beta yet probably won't have it for a while but that's uh that's one of the things i'm curious about is just seeing how it's acting in the public i want i

haven't driven in many cities um new york city is it's bad but it's not the worst because it's laid out pretty easily boston is like the roads are just like they look like they threw spaghetti on a map and it's just like here good luck they're just like, they look like they threw spaghetti on a map and it's just like, here, good luck. They're just like, I hope people from Boston understand this because my sister lives there and she agrees. But I would love to see full self-driving attempt to figure Boston out.

Because I still can't figure it out most of the time. Yeah, lots of cities. I mean, every city has their own weird thing about driving there. New York City is laid out well. It's laid out, yeah. Because it's grids, it's 90 degree angles. I mean, here's a way of thinking about it.

New York City has a blanket no right on red law and it has a blanket speed limit of 25 miles an hour. Just the entire city. Yeah. Just right off the bat. But that also means people just regularly walk out into the middle of the street at all times no matter what color the light is that's its own thing but yeah i know i remember driving in philly not that long ago and the amount

of weird like two lane roads with a half median in the middle that turned into three lane roads and then back to a one lane road as the median shifts was kind of weird yeah every city's i would love to see like a version of this video and a bunch of different cities yeah so that's my i'll recommend that for sure i have an article also quickly that i think might be a savior for a few people are you just a question to you when you're buying like christmas gifts are you you're good at planning ahead of time or are you a last minute is this going to actually arrive before christmas kind of shopper usually i am a last minute me too but this year i mean i thought i think i got some advice about supply chain issues and like hey get

on this before thanksgiving so i've been on it i've got a good amount of my stuff handled already getting it all shipped to me where i will wrap it and then i will put it in a box and ship it to the people who are getting them okay so you're you're ahead of time i am i feel like i'm better at finding good gifts when i'm like super under pressure but that almost always means my gifts arrive late um cameron faulkner at the verge came out with an article i think will be very helpful for myself hopefully for some people listening it's pretty much it's titled uh where'd we go here are the shipping deadlines to get your holiday gifts there on time and it's basically just a whole article where all it does is show you if you're using any of the carriers what types of like express

services you can get and when you need to order those by and it comes out with a bunch of the big like e-commerce sites like amazon best buy etc on like how you can potentially get a gift from there and the absolute latest you can ship some of them are like christmas eve you can still make it so wow for all of you out there who are like really cutting it close okay this might be a good article to take a quick look at definitely wow well done good good idea for it's a great idea and how it's never how have i never i'm sure someone's done it before but i've never seen it before yeah i also have here um kind of a little oopsie on our part maybe you could say um okay rivian winning motor trend truck of the, right. Previously, we criticized a little bit that Lucid won Car of the Year

because we kind of wanted Rivian. Then we decided Lucid was a good choice. Then the other day we saw this article and went, oh my goodness, there's a Truck of the Year. No wonder. I did not know there was a separate category for Truck of the Year.

I'm assuming that that means that they would never pick a truck for Car of the Year. That's my guess seeing this. I don't follow it very much, but yeah, Rivian won Motor Trend Truck of the Year. So that doesn't shock me at all. I mean, we saw a couple of really interesting trucks announced that will be shipping at various points, right? So we had F-150 Lightning, which I think could easily be considered the most important electric truck announcement of the year. But it's not shipping this year.

It ships next year. So I guess, you know, they can't test it yet. Maybe it'll win next year. Who knows? We also tested and saw the Hummer, which is, I think, also starting to ship or about to ship next year. Is it really? Yeah. So we'll see.

But that's also a pickup truck version of that thing. So they're out there. And then the Rivian, of course, is starting to show up in low volumes but it is out there in the public this to me was the most interesting electric truck um and it had the most features and the most like compelling for someone like me to get so i thought it was really cool yeah i mean i think it was the most interesting vehicle period so i guess that's why i see motor trend car of the year. Sometimes I, you know, don't differentiate. I'm the kind of guy who calls shorts pants. They're just pants.

They're things that go on your legs. So like car and vehicle similar. I got confused. I'm sorry. Yeah. It's a synecdoche. It's referring to a car as all vehicles or referring to all vehicles as cars. Anyway, don't worry about it.

But we'll see EV take both spots, car and truck. True, that is true. An electric car, one car of the year. An electric truck, one truck of the year. That doesn't shock me. Okay, welcome to 2022. We'll see what wins next year. Yeah, we've had a lot of hype, I guess,

behind some of these EVs. And my number one concern with the content we make with them is I want to actually show what they're like in real life like the lucid here's one thing we keep getting asked about like when are you going to show the lucid when are you going to review the lucid uh I did four years ago I was there in 2017 we rode around in a prototype lucid showed all all the features, showed the design, showed the trunk versus the front storage versus how big the seats are and how far apart they are

and what it was like to drive and ride around in. I've already made this entire video. It's up already. So to go back and review the same exact stuff wouldn't be very helpful. I now need to be able to test the new information, which is how long it'll go on a charge, how fast it'll charge,

what living with it is like, that sort of stuff. So I am on the lookout for lucid opportunity, but I don't want to just regurgitate the same stuff you guys already have seen. I think there are a couple, I don't want to say changes because the thing we saw is still there, but it does seem like they're marketing one

with a bucket backseat and more of an everyday car where the one we saw felt way more like a ride share vehicle or like a limousine right you have a driver you are the passenger exactly so we'll see they're out there they're starting to ship and people are taking deliveries which is really cool saw john rettinger took a delivery he was he's been a big i don't want to say a big tesla guy but he's had a tesla for like eight years he's big into evs big into evs and has to say a big Tesla guy, but he's had a Tesla for like eight years. He's big into EVs. Big into EVs and has made that switch for his own daily driver. He bought a Lucid and sold his Tesla.

I'm excited. Oh, I didn't know he sold his Tesla. Yeah, this is his new car. I'm excited to see what he thinks of that. I also did see there's confirmation there is a Lucid Air in South Jersey. That is the same color that Vin claims he saw the other day. So despite the awful, awful footage that Vin gave us, I think he's right.

It might be that. Okay. I think it might be that because that's him driving up Turnpike through South Jersey. Yeah. This reminds me of like when we're trying to find the guy with the MKBHD license plate. It's like, hey, if you are that one driver

listening to this podcast with the lucid air in New Jersey, let me know. Maybe we can check it out. I do think I found their Twitter profile. Of the driver of the Lucid? Yes. Amazing. Well, we're working on a Lucid experience,

so stay tuned for that for sure. All right. I want to talk about this Oppo Folding Phone. We'll take a quick break and come back and get into that. With Uber Reserve, and super savings. Try it today and get up to $75 in PC Optimum Points. Visit superstore.ca to get started. With Uber Reserve, good things come to those who plan ahead. Family vacay? Reserve your ride as soon as you book your flights.

To all the planners, now you can reserve your Uber ride up to 90 days in advance. See Uber app for details. All right. Well, what I do want to talk about then is oppo's folding phone let's talk about oppo's folding phone so oppo find n is what it's called i was sort of like lurking behind the scenes i actually just went and shot a video and i was on the road with it so i didn't get a ton of time to use it daily but i've spent a few days with it and i really like it i love it should i go get it i should of time to use it daily but i've spent a few days with it and i really like it i love it should i go get it i should probably go yeah you should get it all right

i'll be right back all right i got the phone uh so you've seen the find or the fold sorry right yeah yeah the fold i like it a lot i called it, it's basically the technology king of folding phones. It's got the highest-end specs. It's got the highest-end cameras. It has a really nice outside screen that goes all the way to the edges. Big, huge folding inside screen. Great. It's bleeding edge in every sense of the term, pretty much, for a smartphone.

Hidden camera behind in the selfie camera. Okay, so this is a smaller, shorter version. It's more portable. It's more reachable. It's more friendly, in my opinion. Yeah. And there's a couple things it does better despite not being as bleeding edge.

That's my take on it. So I made the whole video. I'm gonna, have you held it yet, actually? I held it really quickly, but yeah, I'd love to see it again. God, the hinge is so great. That sounds fantastic. Give it a little ASMR. ASMR, it's quickly, but yeah, I'd love to see it again. God, the hinge is so great. That sounds fantastic. Give it a little ASMR. ASMR, it's a podcast.

Why not? Do you remember what the Razor used to sound like when we did that? When it creaked and made all those weird noises. Sound like an 80-year-old's back. Yeah. No, this is, so it is a much smaller, the thing about, the reason why, sorry, I bring up the Fold, is because it is, it's world-class, but it is a much smaller, the thing about, the reason why, sorry, I bring up the Fold. It's because it is, it's world class, but it is a little bit tall.

And the reachability of like using that super tall outside screen was like fine most of the time. But a couple of things were harder about it, which is number one, reaching the top to get your notifications. You just have to do like a hand shuffle to get to the top of the screen. And then number two, typing, because the keyboard is like compressed in it's so narrow so even though the phone is like pushing the screen all the way to the edges super technologically advanced it is hard to type on that narrow screen so what the oppo does with aspect ratio is it just plays around and makes it a normal sized normal aspect ratio mini phone so like squash it down a little bit it's five and a half inches diagonally which is basically the same size as an iphone 13 mini so imagine an iphone 13 mini

folding out and when it unfolds it turns into a 8.4 by 9 aspect ratio so actually slightly wider than it is tall okay so the samsung is taller than it is wide when you unfold it yeah yeah so that's the difference here so it's a smaller sort of like notebook like pocket passport size type thing and i love it i feel like samsung was trying to have that wow factor and therefore taller feels bigger than when you're like holding in your hand so when it's unfolded it feels gigantic but in terms of actually using it it becomes a little tougher to use because of that definitely so it has its upside and its downside now i'll say like i the upsides i really love about it are obviously the smaller nature of it

the outside screen is much more usable and reachable everything about it is like using a normal phone other than being obviously pretty thick. It's pretty thick so you're not quite using like a normal phone but it's pretty, it's way better to type on. And on the inside,

best hinge I've used in a foldable so far. Are you counting Duo? I am counting Duo just because this is, I mean it's kind of a different category when it goes 360.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But just the satisfaction and the firmness and the way it claps shut, zero gap close. I put a piece of paper in it in the video and held it up. It's really a zero gap close. And the crease is handled a little bit better. It's a larger radius. So kind of the same way the Moto Razr handles it.

Tried to do, but did really poorly. Well, it handled it and it aged over time, but it would kind of move the screen in place to loop it around inside instead of having a tight radius fold. And on the first one, they also had that gap on the outside where you could see the edges of the screen

and that was terrifying. That was rough. But this does that same loop on the inside. And so the crease isn't nearly as much of like a solid single crease. It's more of like a slope in the middle. It's not so bad. It's like three smaller creases

rather than one big crease, which kind of sounds like it would be worse, but it's actually, I think, way better. It spreads out the Z-axis difference more. So that I really love about this phone. 120 hertz, LTPO inside display. Nice, very flexible, very usable. But there's a couple things that are, I would still consider, downsides of it as well.

Oh, by the way, by the way, the battery in this phone somehow is larger than it is in the fold. It's a 4,500 milliamp hour battery. Uh, it might be a little bit, yeah, a little bit thickness, a little bit. Yeah.

It weighs more, but it is a smaller phone. So I was very impressed by that. Um, but there are a couple of downsides. Number one, outside screen is 60 Hertz, not the end of the world,

but it is, it is still weird like when samsung did this with the fold 2 it is still weird going back and forth between 60 on the outside and then opening it up and it's 120 thought about it like that yeah so you're like every time you use the outside screen you're sort of thinking about how it's not as smooth and then you open it up and use the inside and it's bigger but sometimes you just want it to use the outside so i would love a 120 matching question on that would you prefer like it is 60 outside 120 inside or what if it was 90 inside 90 outside i think i would rather have 90 inside 90 yeah just so they'd match just so they're matching smooth but you know it does okay would you rather have 60 60 or 120 60 which is 120 i would definitely

the inside is 120 i'd rather have 120 on the inside just wondering how much you prefer i'm trying to scale this uh yeah it's matching versus i see what you're saying it's not really about matching as much as it's about like having the premium experience cool but since it doesn't match that is the focus okay so i love the design this is we were talking about oppo phones before like this is one of my favorite parts of this phone it's got this little gradual bump up to the camera bump instead of just being a sharp mesa that's cool the back is like this nice textured it's not glossy it's so nice it doesn't pick up fingerprints so that's really nice and i like holding. But yeah, it's just like this is a different way of doing a folding phone

that we haven't seen before and that I actually like, physically speaking, more than the Fold. The inside screen, you only lose about 0.3 inches diagonally as far as comparison to the Z Fold 3. It would be like 7.4 versus this is 7.1 diagonally. And then it just comes down to the software experience, which is a little bit hit or miss. All the first party apps in this China only phone

that I don't use do have folding phone optimization. And there is multi-screen split task. Split screen multitasking is cool, but all of the Play Store and Google apps and things like that are not yet optimized as they probably shouldn't be in a phone that's not shipping outside of china so that was a downside i couldn't really use this as a daily but i'm very happy to see this sort of experimentation with hardware what do you

think about a smaller foldable are you team small fold i'm team this color i can tell you that. Yeah. So good. Yeah, this feels way more just like single hand use closed. It is thick, obviously, but man, that feels, yeah, it feels way better. It feels way more like a phone when it's folded. I think that's the Galaxy Fold and even like the, what was it? The Mate XS. Mate X2 now. X2. I feel like most of the folds we're seeing not

not the flip because the flip is like its own category but the folds we're seeing feel like they're mostly focused on the inside and the outside is like we know you need it but we think you're going to mostly use this here this feels like it's focused equally on both it made the small sacrifice of being a little smaller on the inside which is still like folds aren't big enough to think that this is a small inside if you buy this phone you're gonna be like wow i have so much real estate when it's unfolded but when you're folded you're gonna be like okay i'm actually using a phone this doesn't really feel that much weirder yeah um i think that's awesome i love this try the. It's just like holding it.

It feels fantastic. The crease is like the least noticeable I think I've ever seen in any folds that we've gotten. I would agree. I think you said like, yeah, at a hard angle, you can kind of see it. Even then it's not. But that's really when you're looking for it. Like when you're using the phone,

it's just like the hidden selfie camera or the notch like you're not really looking at the edges and the corners like that and so when you're just watching the content or whatever you're doing it's fine it disappears what i think is impressive about this and i haven't noticed it on other ones is the grid layout has icons right down the crease and you don't even notice it i don't't know if any other fold has been bold enough to put icons right where the crease is, but this shows that it's doing it really well. I really, really dig this. We'll see how that ages over time.

That was one of the questions about other foldables where the crease starts off looking really flat, and then a few hundred folds in, it starts to show itself a bit more, and you notice the distortion in the image. So that's a question that's yet to be answered about the Find N. But yeah, like I said, this is a China-only phone, meaning it's going to sell for, I think it's 10,000 yuan or less,

which converts to about $1,500, $1,600 or less. So it's still premium, still expensive, but it's got that it factor. I feel like this is one of the most interesting phones i just want to give like a little shout out to oppo here their hardware this year has been beautiful i'm a big fan of their i'm gonna call it industrial design yeah their design has been like just really really nice like this is beautiful this color is great it reminds me of we have this is the oppo reno 6 pro i believe the like the back color on this we've talked about things being fingerprint magnets i think it's impossible to put a fingerprint on this and it looks good i think i could have

chocolate all over my hands and it wouldn't leave a fingerprint on this it's i think this is the best looking phone just period at this point it's about the looks but it's also about the feel and i want to bring up the feel the oppo find x3 pro has the slope up to the camera kind of the same way so it's not a camera protrusion as much as it's like a little camera slope up to the hill and that seems like such a subtle thing but it's really it makes a big difference when you're holding the phone and touching the back of it and that seems like such a subtle thing but it's really it makes a big difference when you're holding the phone and touching the back of it and that's also a satin phone looks really good doesn't pick up fingerprints that's another one they killed this year oppo hardware is on point

this year for their smartphones at least yeah oh this one also it's got text on the on the hinge it just says designed for find i guess the find I guess Oppo's Find series is like their experimental brand. You know how they've had the pop-up camera with the Find? And the Oppo Find series has always been pretty interesting. It's weird, though, because they did do the Reno Zoom, which had the shark fin. So that, like, kind of goes off brands. But, yeah, Find is normally, feels like the experimental. It's the premium experimental.

Okay. Yeah. So I'm into it. I might just be a sucker for folds still We'll see how these these age out, but I like it a lot I mean as much as I love though oppo's hardware for phones. I just want to also bring up they recently Announced a are you taking the the screen protector off? Yeah, I'm taking the outside in the mic drop I'm not taking the inside off but sure

Someone make that into a beat. Someone's going to rap over that beat for sure. Anyway. Yeah, so Oppo hardware is not so great. Did you see this Oppo Air glass they just announced oh i think i saw a picture of it it's bad i haven't i literally haven't read about it because as soon as i saw the picture i was like oh it's that and then i left the article okay uh for those of you who aren't aware oppo just announced they're calling it the air glass ar glasses very very similar to google glass yet google glass came

out in 2014 this is seven years later and somehow looks bulkier than google glass which i'm very surprised about um if you look at it it's like the it has a two for a full frame version and the single frame version where so kind of like a mix between google glass and like ar full frame glasses but essentially like you're picturing one arm on your right ear that then goes to a little piece of glass that covers your right eye and that's what it will project an image onto the arm on the side of your head looks like like if you took two drumsticks and put it's huge it's still so hard to make that look normal like if you want to put real computing power in this little face computer you need not only that computing power you need the memory you need the boards but you need a battery to support it all

and all of that is not very small uh i so i'm looking at the picture right now. It does look like quite a thick side rim. But the idea I guess is still the same. It's like projecting information and text or whatever you want up into the top half of your vision on the glasses. Now the example they give, this is funny, the example is a person giving a speech and

they just have the words to their speech up in the top half of the glasses. But if you've ever watched somebody wearing Google Glass and seen them look up into that text, it's very much one of these where they're clearly not looking in front of you. They're reading something like something's hovering up above your head and you're like, what are you looking at over me? They're looking at the thing in the top half of their vision. Uh, so this would look really weird from the other side. She'd be like rolling the eyes into the back of her head trying to talk on stage in front of thousands of people that would be interesting so it it does look like it is mainly for that you know like

notifications directions maybe um like i guess small it shows a picture of it showing like the temperature and the weather out there which i guess how close are we to just full robots if we constantly want what the temperature is like in our field of vision all the time um but even the announcement just doesn't feel great there's it's all grayscale which is also weird because all the pictures show it with green text so grayscale or monochrome feels like very difficult to see on a lot of backgrounds despite it saying it has a pretty solid brightness. It's like up to 1400 nits in average condition. So, you know, pretty bright, but-

Maybe that's why they picked green. Monochrome. But it says that it's a monochrome. To display monochrome- It would be all green, just shades of green. Green is the only color. So monochrome can be any single color. If it's just monochrome gray,

it's just black, white, gray, everything in between. If it's just monochrome gray, it's just black, white, gray, everything in between. If it's just monochrome green, it's just all different green shades. It displays monochrome with either 16 or 256 levels of grayscale depending on the mode. Oh, so why are they showing all this green? I don't know. I mean, maybe we're misinterpreting something here, or maybe just the pictures are wrong because they're obviously renders. I think the weirdest thing here though is battery

life is three hours of usage or like 40 hours of standby but three hours of usage seems absolutely abysmal it's another one of those weird numbers where it's like how often are you really going to be using it during the day so if i if i put a watch on your wrist and said it has 40 hours standby but three hours of real use, and all you really did was check the time and put it down, that would last you a long time because your real use is in three-second bursts. The question is, how long are you going to sit there

using the thing before you run out of those very short bursts of computing power? So if you had, like, I imagined a day where I might use this, and to me it's like a full day of running errands so i've got to go to a fort i have to go grocery shopping i have to run to target i have to like go pick something some clothes out or a new pair of shoes or something so i would assume that i'd be using this for navigation directions in my car shopping lists at each of the places and then also checking my notifications while i'm doing

that that feels like longer than three hours especially if you're navigating in your car yes but also what's your screen on time on your phone at the end of the day three hours four hours i think a little longer than that but so if this is i guess you know just navigating and just your notifications maybe maybe an hour of navigating is like a really heavy use. And then, I don't know, 25 minutes of having your shopping list pulled up next to you. Like maybe three hours is okay.

I would love it to be longer, but I don't reasonably know what a daily life is like with these on your face. So we'll see. But yeah, that is a big difference. Three hours of use versus 40 hours of standby. Sounds like it's very bursty. Like when when you really light up the display every second of precious time that's projecting is going to be eating into your battery yeah i guess i really

want to know how somebody would use this yeah let me know in the comments if you were going to every way you can even imagine using it yeah i remember living with google glass back when i was in college i was that college i was that guy i was that guy for a couple weeks there not that long maybe like two weeks okay but i had there were some things about it that were genuinely extremely useful despite how ridiculous you look wearing okay if we get past that part if you get past that like i walk to class every day imagine having a commute where you're like oh i need to go to get a haircut i'm just gonna like navigate on my phone and beam the directions up so just like walking through town while it's telling you where to go pretty convenient even though you look ridiculous

having your notifications pop up so if you if someone's calling you and your phone is silent in your backpack but you just get the notification like oh you can just pick up and just talk on the phone there's little things about it that are like really cool and then you see it happening and you're like okay it's not there yet the tech's not good enough to it's not miniature enough it's not inconspicuous enough that we can actually get away with the social consequences of using one of these headsets i could see this being really useful when we get to a stage where we have navigation for inside of stores so i can go into lows and I can have six different things I need on a shopping list.

And it's going to be like, you walked through the door. Your most efficient route right now is to go forward into this aisle and then show me on the shelves where the product is. I can look for it. How much time I would say that would be, and that would be insane. That would be a genuine killer app. Like google maps doesn't even quite get that accurate it's only like

certain pre-mapped buildings where you're like oh i walked into the mall where is the best buy it'll tell you like oh go up to the second floor take this right and like that's how you get to the store but yeah that would be killer i know there are people working on an app like that but then pairing that with something like a glass, like glass or glasses where now you're just looking and you're seeing the thing. And like, even if it could highlight something on a shelf, it would be wild.

That would be awesome. It feels like there are more sensors around to be able to do something like that. Because if you try to do this with glass back in the day, glass had a camera, but it wasn't a full-time running camera processing information like AR. And glass had a speaker and but it wasn't a full-time running camera processing information like AR. And Glass had a speaker and Glass had like a computer.

But with something like this, if it has a speaker, if it has a camera that can run and use AR to analyze your environment, in theory, as soon as you walk into the door, you don't need a GPS connection. It just looks at the front of the store and says, I know where you are. Start walking this way. And that could be kind of sick. But again, like, is the tech there yet? I don't know. And you need to map out all the stores and then like mom and pop shops.

Yeah. That's the day we'll all think these AR glasses are something I would incorporate into my everyday life. Yeah. I think that's the thing. If anyone, like all the AR glasses I ever see sort of feel like a really cool tech demo. None of them, I could never convince a regular person

to buy a pair of AR glasses until there was some killer app like that where you're like, hey, look, if you had these glasses, then you could do X, Y, and Z. Think about how hard those things are now and how much easier they would be with these glasses. Those use cases don't really exist yet or aren't polished enough yet for me to actually go, hey, look, you want to look like a crazy person at Target, but you'll find your stuff faster? It's worth it.

Imagine a grocery store where everyone's shopping efficiently and not going both ways on the store. Everyone was just making the correct snaking movement starting from like the left of the store and ending on the right at the cash register sounds like a movie oh my god unreal it's never gonna happen thinking i long for the day thinking of it that way it sounds a long way off yeah well let's take a quick break we'll come back and we'll talk about some maybe less plugged in habits. This holiday season, the Center for Addiction and Mental Health is counting on your support. CAMH is on a mission

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slash waveform all right let's talk about something i tweeted yes i'm i'm very curious into this um yeah you tweeted the other day i sam seph sam sheffer tweeted that he uses his phone too much and you responded with say so do i here's a worthy challenge start the first hour of the day without your phone yeah and this is something i've actually been it's been one of those things i've told myself i wanted to do for a long time and yet every single morning i actively do not do it do the exact opposite i think you have to just go cold turkey so first question is have you started doing this yet i started doing this uh I started doing this maybe two weeks ago. Your tweet was two weeks ago.

Okay, something like that, yeah. So really the idea is like when you use your phone, you're just beaming white light into your eyes. Yes. And there's a million solutions around this. And everyone always says, hey, don't use your phone within an hour of waking up or going to sleep because it looks nothing like the sunlight

you're supposed to experience at those times of the day blah blah blah circadian rhythm blah blah blah you can sleep better and i'm always like well i can sleep better i want to fix this so i know i use my phone a lot but there's also like these uh blue light glasses solutions we're like okay i realize i might be on the computer emailing like very close to when i go to sleep there's no way around this for me maybe the solution is blue light glasses which are supposed to filter out the blue light from the screen and only let in some of those warmer hues. So your body is at least not beaming in that middle of the day type light.

There's also some apps too, like my phone at 10 o'clock. Another one, exactly. And I've come to the realization that I cannot get away from screen time before I sleep. I just can't do it. I'm sorry. I know you're all telling me, yeah, Marques, here's the simple trick you need. I just can't do it. No, there's somebody watching this right now with their eyes closing and they're trying to go to sleep. And it's just I am I'm answering emails or I'm doing something until

the second that I'm like, I need to go to sleep now. I'm with you, yeah. So, but the beginning of the day is my opportunity to make a change. So I wake up, I have an alarm clock and I try to spend as much as possible getting my day started without my phone. I don't go unnecessarily a full hour every time. It varies depending on the day

or what's happening that day. I live by my Google Calendar. Like I need it to function as a human. It's kind of sad, actually. Like I actually need it. It's better than no schedule. Yeah, yeah. I genuinely use it a lot.

So basically now my routine is I wake up. Usually I have my watch as my alarm clock. So my phones are like charging next to me on the nightstand, but my watch wakes me up by tapping me on the wrist. I'd stop it there. And within like five minutes, I like roll over, feet on the floor and just walk right past my phones and like get changed and start my day like that. And so this eliminates the like classic rollover, grab the phone. If it was, especially if it's your alarm clock, you roll over, grab your alarm clock,

which is also your phone, stop it. And then just go unlock it and jump into some apps and don't do anything. And I just have this like weird third person vision of myself, like sitting in bed, scrolling on a piece of glass and not doing anything. And I'm like, I could,

I could start my day so much better than this. So that's what I've been trying to do. Yeah. I have like a 90% success rate, I think. Okay. I mean, that's a really great start two weeks in. Um, this is something that I've, I don't know if I want to say struggled with, but morning routine for me has always been something that I never thought I'd been doing very well. Um, my old morning routine back since like high school or college days was like, what is the last possible minute my alarm can go off where i will make it to this thing on time and that is like whether i shower at night or shower in the morning like how can i get ready get in the car and go to

where i need to in the least amount of time possible so a couple years ago i told myself like this is not a good thing to do. I find myself being more tired because I'm getting to these places within 20 or 30 minutes. Like I used to go to my old it job. I would probably be in my desk like 30 minutes after I woke up. So like to me that felt like I did, wasn't giving myself enough time to really wake up. So then my newer thing was I'm going to wake up almost like 30 minutes to an hour earlier and like relax a little bit. Like I'm not going to just hop out of bed. Cause I used to do what you did. I would have to hit feet on the floor and go. And like, that's a really great thing to do.

If like you're really busy all the time, but it felt at a certain point, like I was just doing, I was cutting it too close. Yeah. So trying to wake up, then I dove into this habit, which I'm currently in now, which is I lay under the blankets and I sit on my phone for the majority of my morning before I then leave. Before you've gotten to the time where you're like, I absolutely must get up now.

So like a really good example, I mean, I can literally give you my, I wake up at seven o'clock, I leave my house by eight o'clock i leave my house by eight o'clock there are multiple times i will still be on tiktok or twitter and it's 7 40 yeah it's like this is a problem i need to shower i need to pack my lunch i need to let the dog out i need to warm the car up i need to leave it feels like it's a worse habit at this point right and you're like why did i even wake up at seven yeah i mean i do like the process i feel a little more awake because i've like

been awake for a bit longer but i think the worst thing lately is i flip over i grab my phone because i don't have a watch i as i'm swiping the alarm up i'm basically then swiping away the lock screen and on twitter within 30 seconds yep And that feels bad for my eyes. Yeah. Yeah. So my, I don't, I don't drink coffee. I'm not a high, you know, caffeine person. Like my, my waking up is like just getting the blood moving through my body, like walking

around and the sun like shining in your face. And like, that's kind of cold water on your face and that's it and you're awake. But yeah, that's a. 90 sips of water out of your hand until you throw up. No on that level i'm not on that level but yeah it's um i don't know if i'll ever be able to get rid of the screen time right before bed that's tough my advice for that is have you ever had melatonin uh yes i love melatonin yeah that is my like you know maybe it takes a little longer to fall asleep but you stay asleep at least in my experience so far i'm sure there are people out there who think it's

like a bro science drug i'm sure it will come to this i've always i've always been jealous of people who can fall asleep like that i that i cannot i cannot i it takes me an hour to my watch tell my watch shows me on the graph like it's every if you check the apple health app it'll be like here's how long you were asleep but here's how long you had the sleep setting on yeah and it's always like the beginning of the graph is like you were in in bed for an hour and a half staring at the ceiling tossing and turning you were not asleep that's pretty bad yeah so that's my that's my motivation is to to get better at sleeping i think the best way that could be solved is if we somehow had a robot that you're always at least i feel like this and I know other people feel like this,

but sometimes if I'm watching TV, my eyes are like closing and every part of me wishes I could just fall asleep in my bed at that point because the act of getting up, brushing your teeth and going to bed, then you're laying in your bed, you're like, I'm awake.

What else can I do? It's like, I wish I could have just fell asleep on the couch but had woken up in my bed and ready to go for the morning. Yeah. So, yeah, it's a gradual process. We're getting, you know, the, what is it called? The, what is your phone keeping track of? Oh, they both have it.

It's a digital well-being. Okay, your well-being, yeah. Your digital well-being is important. A lot of screen on time during the day, a lot of looking at a thing close up. I used to think that was like ruining my eyesight. I don't actually know if that's true. It makes my eyes hurt some morning.

The reason I keep thinking about this is because like sometimes in the morning, I'll just like put my phone down and blink a bunch and be like, I feel like this was not a good idea. I've read into it. It's like you're definitely straining your eyes. There's a combination of like how much light is coming in versus like how close you're focusing so it turns out it's not making your vision worse necessarily um but it's definitely straining your eyes okay uh my my philosophy was like minimizing my screen on time does not minimize

my screen time because i work on a screen all day. Yes. So if I take an hour of screen time out of my life and like every possible convenient moment, I'm like, no, I won't look at my phone. I'm still spending hours and hours a day with a screen right in front of me. So I'm like, all right, I've sacrificed that. I'm going to look at screens up close all day. That's, that's fine. But as long as i can like sleep better and start the day better maybe that's worth a little change i totally agree and one thing i would like to change is is exactly what you said like we work on social media a lot of people go to work and they can't check their phone and stuff like checking our phone and social media is part of our work so i kind of want to like

get to the point where i'm not checking any of that till i'm in work it's like an hour and a half later i can do it i would love if I could start waking up and like working out a little bit, even if it's just half an hour. Oh, that was my other thing. Yeah. So I only work out at night and this is my other thing. So I, in college we had three 7am practices a week. And so I cannot start my day without breakfast. So in college I got got up at 6 a.m. three times a week to have breakfast, walk through the cold, a mile up through the hill, through the freezing, whatever weather was happening for our winter practice. Got to the gym, worked out from 7 a.m. to 9 a.m. That made it incredibly easy for me to get up early. And I would always wake up in the morning and wake up and work out early in the morning.

Now that I've graduated, we don't have morning practice anymore, all our practices are at night. All the games we play are at night or in the afternoon. All the physical exertion I ever need to do is like my brain is tricked into thinking that happens at night. So as much as I want to be the guy that wakes up at 6 a.m., works out at 7, and is like leaving for work by 8 30 it's probably not gonna happen yeah i would like to do it because even when it comes to either working out at night or like if i work out too close to bed i'm like i'm amped up i don't want to go that's why i think i sleep badly yeah i think it's it's that or even i mean like maybe this is me being a huge nerd but i feel like when i play games they're usually competitive and i'll be like amped up before I go to bed.

I got adrenaline going. I got a lot. It's really hard to go to sleep after that. But, you know, the gym is opening up in the building soon. So maybe we can start our mornings with a workout and going over the day instead. Maybe that'll be our secret to not looking at our phones in the morning. Video planning while doing workouts. I'm about it. I'm about it. Well, I want to open our phones in the morning. Video planning while doing workouts. I'm about it.

I'm about it. Well, I want to open this up to the comments. If anyone has any ideas other than drugs, let me know. Or if you've got some cool drugs. Melatonin is about as far as I'll go as far as drugs, but like, let me know what other tricks or hacks you might have. I've sacrificed. I don't think legal ones, legal ones, preferably easily accessible. I know blue light glasses are easily accessible. Other tricks that you found actually work for you, if you have those, hit me up on Twitter. Let me know in the comments.

Super down to try it. Can I make a suggestion? Please. Ooh, yes. Please. Meditation. Meditation one. That's boring.

Right before bed for like 10 to 15 minutes. Okay. Just calm down. So what do you do for meditation when you do that? Nothing. Well, that's harder. Easier said than done. Just sit there for 10 minutes.

Do you just like focus on your breathing? I try. That's not always what happens. It takes practice. Yeah. Like meditation, you have to like practice it to get good at it. I think you start off,

if I started to meditate right now, my brain would immediately go to what else could I be doing right now you could probably hear your breathing in the microphone too which would be kind of weird but I like that because that gets you off the screen right before bed and that calms you generally you're probably not beating 150 beats per minute

while meditating at least I hope so I'm going to try that I'm going to try anything honestly so yeah let me know that's it for this week though thanks for watching thanks for helping me out with my sleep and i'll catch you guys in the next episode peace waveform is produced by adam molina we are partnered with vox media and our intro outro music was created by vane sill mac mac heard the outro and got up and is ready to leave interesting anything you'd like

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