Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Is This the Pixel Fold?

Episode Date: November 18, 2022

A lot happened this week! Marques and Andrew talk about the two new Lucid Air videos that dropped on the main channel and the Auto Focus channel. Can it compete against Tesla? After that, they spend some time dissecting new renders of the rumored Pixel Fold that Google might drop next year. Finally, Andrew talks us through why he's over the Pixel Watch and moving onto a new smartwatch before going over trivia answers. It has been a while since we've had deep car talk and classic gadget speculation on the same episode. Classic WaEVform! Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Links: Lucid Air [MKBHD]: https://bit.ly/LucidOne Lucid Air [Auto Focus]: https://bit.ly/LucidTwo Front Page Tech Pixel Fold: https://bit.ly/FPTPIxelFold Eel guy: https://www.tiktok.com/@cowturtle Shop products mentioned: Google Pixel Watch at https://geni.us/TomiHj Samsung Galaxy Watch5 at https://geni.us/mYfqEj Apple Watch Ultra at https://geni.us/5oHv Apple iPad Pro M2 (2022) at https://geni.us/aj0M7 Twitters: Waveform: https://twitter.com/wvfrm Marques: https://twitter.com/mkbhd Andrew: https://twitter.com/andymanganelli Adam: https://twitter.com/adamlukas17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wvfrmpodcast/ Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We're your hosts. I'm Marques. And I'm Andrew. And today, we've got our final thoughts on the Lucid Air, even though there's some new news on it. We'll get over all that in a second. Oh, I missed that. It's just a new spec of the same car. We've got some renders of a Pixel Fold that should be interesting to talk about and see.

And to wrap it all up, Andrew's got his mind changing again on which smartwatch he's going to use. We'll get an explanation. Yes, we will. But first, this weekend I had a quick tweet that a lot of people were interested in, so I just wanted to go over it real quick, which uh the power wall and solar system that i have set up finally i don't want to say paid off that's not the right term but the investment finally made a lot of sense because i had a power outage i wasn't even home um but basically what happens is the way you know i've talked about this in the past a little bit on twitter and i think i'm eventually going to make a video on the solar panel setup and the backup batteries.

But basically, during the day when I'm not home, the tons of sun is shining on the roof and the solar panels are collecting lots of energy. And that is more energy than the house is using. So the house stores that excess energy in the batteries. Yeah. When I get home, the lights turn on, the appliances turn on, the energy gets used. And so when the sun goes down, the house gets powered by those batteries overnight

until I wake up in the morning again and the solar takes over. So basically you can kind of live mostly off the grid if you have big enough batteries. And the bonus is when the grid goes down, if there's a power outage, you don't necessarily even notice, which is kind of interesting. So that happened for the first time.

I was actually at my sister's wedding in Raleigh. Congrats to the bride and groom. It was incredible. And while I was sitting watching people have a good time dancing, I noticed I got a notification on my phone that said that the grid had disconnected. Now, this is when like a hurricane was coming up the coast, so it was windy in the entire eastern part of the U.S. So I don't even know what happened, but I did get that notification,

and I opened the app and took a screenshot. As you saw on Twitter, sure enough, no connection to the grid, 100% power in the batteries. I'm not home, so there's plenty of energy to last, like 24-plus hours. But that means the fridge would stay on. The whatever things that were happening

that keep the HVAC running would stay on. Everything would be fine, and I'd come back, and no one would even notice. If someone was home, they wouldn't even notice. So I thought that was pretty cool. But that's, you know, it's been a good experience so far having the off-the-grid. I've had a $0 power bill for four months in a row that's

awesome i also really appreciated how in the start you said like how it was exciting but not really exciting because it's one of those things or paid off but not it's one of those things where it's like you invest in something or invest time in something for like a disaster and you're not hoping for the disaster to happen but like you kind of want to see make sure it works um so like i don't know i found that very funny i remember we went uh hiking one time in glacier and i spent a whole week learning what to do if you see a bear so you're not hoping for a bear but if there's a bear i'm ready but it's the last day and i'm sitting in the car i'm like man we haven't seen a bear i haven't gotten to see if like my instincts would kick in and then last day

bear instincts perfect nice just saying nice i'm curious i've read some things and i don't think they're right about trying to like make lots of noise and appear large i'll teach you later okay so if i ever see a bear in yeah carney new jersey yeah that ain't happening yeah but um yes a power wall worked i'm excited for that uh solar panels are something i i've been thinking about for the house it's i have plenty of other work to do before i get to that point but it seems super interesting and i would love to know what your whole setup is if you make a video on it later or possibly what some other setups are so yeah yeah i mean i want to wait till through the winter till i you know get a full idea of like these are some short days so there's way the winter till I get a full idea of like,

these are some short days, so there's way less solar. So I get a better idea, but like to get the big picture, I think what most people's primary concern is, is how long will it take to pay for itself? So in the summer, when they were finishing the installation, the first few days I had in the summer and the prime of like long, hot, sunny days were like, oh my God, this is the greatest thing ever. I'm generating way more electricity than I'm using. But now we're getting into the winter, which is the opposite, which is like, all right, maybe you're using a lot of heat, which is powered by electricity. And the days are way shorter and a lot of cloudier and you don't have as much electricity going in. So less backup. So I'm, you know, I'm going through the whole process, but yeah, so far.

Yeah. It's, it's looking pretty enjoying it nice zero dollar power bills it's a good time so stay tuned for that eventual video maybe next summer um but we do want to talk about the lucid air the lucid air i mentioned has a little bit of new news okay yeah can you tell me that before i uh i'll start with that yeah they are officially bringing to market the cheapest variants of the lucid air So the one we had that we reviewed was the Grand Touring, and that one started at $154,000. It's an expensive car, obviously. It's a luxurious big sedan, which is great.

They made a cheaper rear-wheel drive version with a metal roof, not glass roof. And it starts way down at, I think, $87,000. What's the mileage on that? It'll get 400 miles of range, which is still very solid. So it's, it's, that's really, it's a much more appealing. I think that's going to be the ideally highest volume selling version that they make, even though it's not all wheel drive, it's still electric. It's still got like a great responsive powertrain. It's not the fastest thing in the world, but it's still that lucid interior people want.

Does it have like more range? Because generally with EVs, we've been seeing all-wheel drive versus rear-wheel drive. You'll usually gain, you know, at that 300, it'll be like you either get like 300 or 320, so maybe 20 more miles of range. But I think a battery pack like that. Yeah, they did put a smaller battery in this one as well. So it's's like a 93 kilowatt hour battery but that's cool so that's why they

can make it cheaper because yes batteries are expensive and here's the fun part this modular battery system and we didn't get to show it in our video uh actually has cutouts in parts of the battery that makes sense so in the rear seat footwell instead of having your feet up high they cut out parts of the battery right there so your feet have more room to slide under the driver's seats. Has two hosts that are over six feet tall. Thank you, Lucid. We appreciate that a lot. It's well done.

Look, I like this car a lot. I had some hot takes about the design, which is it's ugly. But maybe we'll get to that in a second. That's what I wanted to say. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but I think the car itself, the way I went through, I drove with it, I used it, I lived with it for over a week. I think almost a week and a half, two weeks.

And the technology in it, the motors, the drivetrain, the one-pedal driving, the responsiveness of everything, the software, the way it's organized and built as a car is excellent. So when I see $154,000 price tag, that's what I'm expecting. And this is a performance spec too. So it's all wheel drive over a thousand horsepower under three seconds, zero to 60, 450 miles of range. I think it's like $170,000 spec, incredible car. So that is a lucid way. And that is, that is sort of the theme of the video is like, they did a really good job with all the parts of this car. And if you compare this to, let's say, Tesla's flagship, which is the Model S, which starts at $100,000,

they outdid one by one each of the most important pieces of the Model S. More range, faster peak charging, better build quality, better luxury, more space inside. So I thought that was really interesting. But yeah, you do pay for it. Yeah, you pay for it. Well, that's why. So like, well, all right. all right i have a couple thoughts here which is kind of why i wanted to talk about this because i like really enjoyed the car i think i don't and you even mentioned looks are subjective like there are people out there who like the looks of that people love it

one of the things when we had the lucid air and what was the Ferrari that we had? 296 GTB. So we had both of them parked next to each other in the parking lot. And we got them like the same day we were both out there looking. Weird flex, but okay. Great flex. It was a weird day. My job rules. But an Uber driver drove by with a passenger in the car and stopped because he wanted to come look.

And he wanted to look at the air, not the Ferrari. Yeah, that was interesting interesting that was very funny and also props to that passenger who also came out to look at them while was trying to get driven home after work i suspect that the ferrari was so low it was actually fully hidden by the i literally said to him i told him what it was and told him a bunch about it and then i said also there's a ferrari right there and he's like oh no i'm looking at this i was like oh okay all right i guess he was into evs and stuff like that but i had a clip that i cut from the autofocus video which was some guy i was shooting in the back and then some guy was like driving around and he stopped and he's like what is that and i was like oh yeah it's a lucid and he was like what who makes it i was like oh i'm

right i forgot i have to explain this it's like the one plus yeah and and I kind of, maybe I'll send this clip to you, Adam. I'll include that audio, which is like I'm rolling and I hit the camera record button again. He's like, it's a new company called Lucid. Lucid, yeah. How many are they running for? This is $150. They made a, they're not making very many,

but they're expensive. You should buy it. Yeah. And I was like, yeah, it looks luxurious. Yeah. It has that look to it. It's a big sedan with the two-tone and the glass everywhere. Yeah.

There are things I like about it. I agree with you on the two-tone. Not a big fan. I actually don't like it because I think it looks like, with the quote-unquote dumpy back, it looks like it's a place for, it looks like a convertible because the roof is a different color

and it looks like it has a place to go into the back almost. And I don't love that. But I like the front. I was thinking like if it was a convertible, I'm picturing that glass roof folding and it making the same sound as like the Royal Flex Pie,

the like creaking and like. Creaking too. Sliding back. same sound as like the royal flex pie that like creaking and like sliding back it is an interesting looking car um i like the front though what'd you call it you said it looked like a whale shark i said it looked like a whale shark i can't unsee that well what's funny is because i thought the front looked like a whale shark and then you open the back and the way the trunk lifts like from like all the way in the bottom and just opens the mouth. I was like, oh my God, that looks more like a whale shark.

Inspired by. But I like the outside. I think there are better looking cars out there, but I don't hate it. And then when you get on the inside of that thing, it is just, it's fantastic. You forget about the outside when you're on the inside. The inside is so quality. It's just like everything feels... I actually was comparing it to the Mercedes EQS we had

because that was one where it met... Both of these cars feel like they're mostly focusing on the interior and the like passenger or interior driving experience. And the EQS felt like we're Mercedes, we know how to do luxury, but we don't really know how to do the tech. It's like too many screens, too glossy yeah a bunch of weird things like weird galaxy tab to like in the back it's just like yeah we're luxury but we don't know tech the lucid was like the refined version of all of that it was the knobs were perfect there was a really good mix of real buttons and touch

screen and the folding down screen and a couple little quirks in the software like you mentioned but man the interior of that when i i just got to drive it to the back when we were shooting and i was like wow this is i would love to sit in this you forget about the outside real quick i do i will say the uh the eqs comparison is accurate when i got a chance to actually visit lucid's headquarters briefly before I came back to the East Coast and got to Tesla car. And what I noticed is they had a bunch of their competitors just like lined up in the front door of their headquarters. And they had a Tesla Model S, a Mercedes EQS, and a Porsche Taycan. And they had them for three different reasons.

So the Lucid compares favorably in a certain way to each one. For the Tesla Model S same wheelbase same length More rear legroom. Okay, that's just because of how they've organized it smaller trunk I went over that in the video like that's a compromise they made and it works EQS Much bigger. So the Lucid is smaller than the EQS to achieve the same legroom. Okay, and then Ty can obviously is different it's a sport car, but more legroom okay and then tycan obviously is different it's a sport car but more legroom in all dimensions in the lucid obviously um and that's the thing so yeah it is it is mainly

focused on the interior which i think they did a great job with um i don't know how much you're willing to pay for a car that doesn't yet have access to tesla superchargers that might be a thing soon maybe yeah there's there's some weird news coming out about that too with the like them offering their charging system up to other cars essentially the port the port which i'm also confused is that going to be their way to give supercharging to other people because one of the ways yeah yeah it reminds me of like it kind of feels like offering the lightning port to other phone manufacturers and it's like yeah we've got mfi and you can if you want put a lightning port in

your phone and it'll work with lightning accessories which is like the kingdom that we've built it's kind of the same thing with tesla superchargers but at this point like you're you're getting really fast peak charging on these cars but only only if you can find an Electrify America charger that handles 350 kilowatts, that's working, that isn't occupied and not broken. But you have over 100 more miles of range on it. That's true. That's massive. So like that is really big.

Yeah. You can go an entire, at least for me, for my commute, I could go an entire week back and forth commuting and not charge. That's crazy. I also was really hoping you would have one of your Boston or Ultimate Tournament trips where you wouldn't have had to charge. You probably would have had to charge when you got there and then could have made it back. Boston, I could go there and back without charging.

There and back without? Yeah, about 400 miles. I really wish you had the chance to do that because I'd be interested to see someone who has to plan a charging trip into everything not have to do that and now learning that there's an 87 000 still very expensive car and generally chances you're getting that actual car under 100 by the time you like factor everything in is probably pretty tough but 100 000 at over 400 is kind of awesome that will be i think the main uh we keep thinking about like reasons

you would get a certain ev or over another and like which ones are cross shopping so the person who would theoretically get the lucid air pure the 87 000 version of this car is probably cross shopping against things like a model s or maybe an eqs is expensive. But like, this is half the price of the $160,000 car we tested. And I'm like, the range has got to be the number one reason you go with this car. I've noticed also that the accuracy of the range that it predicts that you will get

is pretty close, much better than Tesla, not as good as Rivian. Rivian's is incredible. Okay. In Tesla, like you can line up at the zero and have a target 200 miles away, and it'll say you have 250 miles of battery, and you might not make it. Because if you drive a certain way, you can use way more power than it's rated to do during that normal driving trip. That's something I found really interesting testing all these

and asking you guys who have Teslas is it seems to be a lot of you guys think Tesla has one of the worst range estimators inside of their car. Yeah, I would say it's the most variable. Which is not a good thing. Right, like I know that if I drive a certain way, I can and will get great range.

If I drive like without accelerating hard in chill mode and I don't like go up and down too many massive hills If I drive like without accelerating hard in chill mode and I don't like go up and down too many massive hills, whatever, like a normal drive, I will get my range. But if I do one pull, which is like, it's a nice fast car. I want to do one highway pull. You can lose 10 miles of range in 10 seconds in less than a mile of driving.

So like that type of peak power is what you pay for to get that amazing performance but now you have 10 miles less of range and just any little thing you do might eat into your range so i think the the rivian for example is a lot more conservative where it's just like you'll get 300 miles of range kind of no matter how hard you drive and if you drive conservatively you might get get more. I think that's awesome. Yeah. I think all the legacy manufacturers are going to be on that conservative thing.

I think that's the way. Yeah. So anyway, watch the Lucid Air review if you haven't already. There's a main channel video. It's awesome. I will say the first 10 seconds are literally incredible. Brandon and Vin killed it.

I'm kind of biased, but you should watch it. There's also an autofocus channel video. We'll link him in the show notes. They're both great. And I'll include that clip where you guys can hear the guy like, that's a nice car. Anyway, we'll take a quick break. We got to talk about the Pixel photo when we come back. But first, let's hear our first trivia question. All right, trivia time. So Tesla Powerwalls, electric, electric, lucid air. We've been talking a lot about electricity, so here's an electric question. How many watts of electric power

can an electric eel produce? I feel like I said electric a lot there. How many watts? We do a lot. How many watts of electric power? Like max? Like peak? Yeah, peak. Jesus. Yeah. That's crazy. Also, side note, have you guys seen that TikTok guy who has a basement full of eels?

Yes. It's so cool. Yo, can we talk about eel basement guy? Yeah. That guy, dude, that account is so, and like the creepy dungeon door he like climbs down. Oh my God. We'll link it in the show notes. We'll put a clip up on the channel.

He has a basement that's just like flooded and has a ladder into it. That's terrible. Wow. And has a bunch of eels. It's really cool. He's in danger. That's terrible. Wow. And has a bunch of eels. It's really cool. He's in danger. Yeah. Okay.

That's going to be a news report in like a year of like dead guy found in basement being chewed apart by eels. Oh no. God forbid. God forbid. Hopefully not. All right. Well, we'll think about that eel for a little bit. Be right back.

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Typically what happens with these renders is somebody gets a leak, and you can't just publish exactly what you got. Otherwise you're sort of outing the person who gave you the information. So you take that information, you give it to a talented graphic designer. They mock up something that looks like what was told to you. You publish that it's a leak that looks like the real thing. That's what we got sort of a pseudo design of a foldable pixel phone. Yeah. And I want to preface this by saying like, these are obviously still rumors, and we don't always talk about rumors, but

let's be real, this is Google, and I wouldn't be surprised if this showed up at someone's house when they were at Pixel 7 randomly. That's the thing. The Google train is like, when things leak, they just, they pour. Like, they Niagara Falls like fully, oh, is your

flashlight on? I think your flashlight is on i was about to yeah your flashlight's on what happened to your pixel over there i was just gonna say i've been using the pixel 7 pro as my daily phone since it came out actually no significant phones have come out since the pixel 7 pro to make me want to switch i've been using the s21 ultra for like a year and a half or something like that. I thought I was going to go back to it. Pixel 7 Pro has been rock solid and I'm very happy so far. That is awesome. Would you use a foldable Pixel? Do you even want a foldable Pixel? Because here's the thing, just to paint the picture a little bit, Google phones, not known for their hardware quality, right? Foldable phones, really hard to do great hardware. So to buy a foldable

Pixel over the other foldables, you'd be buying it to get the awesome camera and the Google software experience and the computational smarts, not the great hardware. Would that be a good phone? The thing is, I think I might even disagree a little bit on that because i do think i think the pixel 6 started having pretty solid hardware and then they kind of cleaned up that hardware in the pixel 7 and i think it feels like a really solid like solidly built phone fair um that actually is one of the things in this rumor is they said it's heavy and really like built solidly but i do think one of the other things in this rumor again like judging by the looks of it and we've heard this months ago that people

said the form factor is going to be closer like an oppo find n which is different than all the other folding phones we're having so that might even be one of if you prefer that shorter and wider in stature a little more type of foldable that might be why you come to this yeah like a passport type size yeah yeah i think that'd be cool uh look i like the google software experience so i'm if they can put together a good enough hardware experience i think that'd be nice i'm looking at this room right now it looks like it's got all it's got three cameras on it so it might have the same set of cameras as the pro phone which would be great real quick on that before you move on.

So since they can't do the camera bump into the edges because it's folding now and one of the edges has to be a hinge, they kind of did this rounded edge, protruded camera bump, looks about as thick, maybe even a little thicker than what the camera bump on the 7 is. It's a dynamic island.

I like it. I feel like, do you know, Xiaomi started doing these like really thick camera bumps squares but not yeah squares yeah this looks like that but as a like rectangle almost an oval with around it that is i dig it it's also in a gray in this render i don't know if that's gonna match but it looks just like the dynamic island on the phone just like oh yeah yeah because it's got the like bubble popped off from the bigger cutout uh cut dynamic island on the phone, just like blown out. Oh, yeah, yeah. Because it's got the bubble popped off from the bigger cutout.

Cutout camera on the front screen and then a large, somewhat slim bezels on the inside screen. I would argue probably thickest bezels out of all the foldables unless you're counting the Surface Duo, which we all know is. Yeah, right, which is not even a folding screen.

It does also seem like on the inside that the bezels on the top are larger because that's where the camera and sensors are. That makes sense. That's the Google way, though. Don't go too crazy with the hardware. Just give us standard, fine hardware and then just top off the speakers up there.

I think it looks good. It makes the screen look more cohesive. Yeah, so then it's like, would you want a foldable Pixel over a regular Pixel? Because then you have to worry about the software experience and like how you split up and multitask. And do you use the outside screen for some things inside for others? I really like a lot of the foldable like experiences. Like I like using the galaxy folds a lot. Um, the one interesting part of the form factor is with the galaxy fold, you can get used to it after a while,

but the outside screen is very narrow, and so you don't feel like you're getting the full smartphone experience on the outside. I mean, you can type, but the keyboard's kind of small. The Oppo Find N felt like a normally usable smartphone. It was just a thick smartphone because it was folded. So I don't think this one's gonna be particularly thin. That's fine.

They're not gonna do anything stunning like Xiaomi or Huawei or anything like that. It's just going to be a normal standard folding phone. Don't think too hard about it, but you do get twice as much phone. Like what you said, though, in terms of the exterior screen, I think I would prefer that than the like really long candy bar shape of the like more smushed down regular phone. So like same while I don't love smoldering well i don't i don't love folding phones right now and that's just a preference thing like i don't know maybe the smaller size i think both of us agreed that when that find n came out we

held it and we're like oh i really dig this shape like this uh design layout feels a little more comfortable. And yes, it is thick. I would not doubt if the actual size of this thing is exactly the same as the Oppo Find M. It's gonna be very similar. I bet it'll be super similar. The biggest downside is just gonna be the thickness. Exactly. Basically.

Yeah, I could see it. I'm interested. I'm definitely interested. I don't think this is gonna be coming anytime soon. I think maybe next year is the earliest we can see this. The front page text says May. Okay. That's not that far away.

That is not that far away. That's half a year. That would be really interesting. That's right before IO, which is usually summer. Before IO, you know what? I'm excited for it. Usually, I mean, May is weird because I would expect like IO to be like, all right, here's all our new interesting folding phone software.

And then you get the phone or you get the phone at the same time. I think that, but I think people also think this might come out around the same time as the tablet, which would make sense to be before IO because they already announced the tablet at IO. So maybe this just becomes some sort of an event, which also more earlier tech events, I'm totally down for. Sometimes I'm tired of waiting for just three months of absolute cramming

every single thing in and us going crazy. So like, let's get some more stuff in the middle of the year. I am excited for it. I would be willing to try it. Here's why I wouldn't buy it because the approximate price rumor is $1,800. Ah, classic.

Classic folding phone. Folding phones are expensive. Yeah. Totally understand that. First gen, $1,800. Everyone else has done it. So like I don't blame them and I get why they're doing it. But that's a doozy.

It is interesting that we're seeing more and more folding phones. The one other thing that I was going to mention is the fingerprint reader sensor is rumored to be in the power button which would match some of the other folding phones we've seen like the samsung galaxy fold for example uh so not like under the display or behind the phone or anything like that but yeah we've seen a bunch more folding phones uh of various form factors and various interesting things about them whether it's the thinness or the cameras or the the screen ratios or whatever they are so i'm interested i think 800 bucks would be right in line with all the other stuff we've seen exactly which i still think is a hard selling point really quick back on the fingerprint sensor thing. I like made a note in here because the power button fingerprint sensor makes the most sense, right?

Because then you can unlock it from folded or unfolded. Whereas like an in-display fingerprint sensor on the front is tough because then you would also have to have it on the inside. We have not had any phones with that yet, right? An interior one. The problem is, is the renders of of this the power button looks like extruded quite a bit like a regular power button and every fingerprint sensor power button we've ever seen is generally indented yeah so um some of these renders now that could be a few things it could be

the renders are just a little off bad render or something it could be i mean i kind of wonder we had got face unlock on pixel six and seven face unlock would also make sense through the selfie camera on the front and the inside i don't know i don't think people trust face unlock on some of these i've been enjoying face unlock on mine i wanted it for face unlock i've been enjoying it i don't know but for some reason this power button in the render doesn't scream fingerprint sensor to me it just doesn't look like the right type of button for it interesting we shall see I mean I think Google is willing to try weird stuff clearly also it could be wrong but the folding Samsung phones the camera on the inside is it worse than the one on the outside yeah the you're

talking about the under display selfie camera? Yeah. It's awful. Just awful. But it's there in case you want to take a selfie. Now, with this one, there are some bezels. And we don't know what's in those bezels. In the rumor report, the camera's in the bezel. Camera's up in the top, right?

That seems to make sense. They could potentially have the same camera on the outside and inside, like one good enough for face-on. I want to say, if I remember from FrontPageTech's article, that the only spec they have is 9.5 megapixel camera on the front and on the inside for selfie. Okay. So maybe matching. That feels obviously like a much harder thing to confirm. Like designs usually come out first, total specs.

And if they don't list any other specs, I wonder about it. But like it seems in line with, doesn't seem unreasonable. Would you rather have thin bezels with a crappy front-facing camera under screen or would you rather have these slightly bigger bezels with a camera that's much more usable? At this point in technology, I would rather have the thicker bezels.

I think in a couple of years, my answer would change yes you're both wrong no i agree i don't want to have you you've seen the just terrible quality of those cameras yeah but i wouldn't use the selfie camera then that's true i never use it i never really use it i do think i use it because it's so bad but if you really need to take a picture just turn the phone around like it's annoying yeah but you know i mean there is like if you zoom or facetime or something well not facetime obviously but if you zoom or or video chat on some other program like in there yeah maybe the quality doesn't need to be great but like i think i'm gonna rather i don't think like ap webcam, the internet still makes me look terrible over Zoom calls.

Yeah, well, this makes you look terrible and makes it look like you're underwater. So, I don't know. Rub Vaseline on your screen. Yeah, it is... No, I guess I'm the pixel peeper, so I'd be a little biased, but maybe I'm outside of the norm there.

I think I'm with you. I prefer the better quality. I don't think you get enough screen real estate, especially now that it's a folding phone and you have so much screen real estate. I don't think you're losing or real estate, especially now that it's a folding phone and you have so much screen real estate. I don't think you're losing or gaining enough of it to sacrifice quality. And you're only getting vertical pixels,

which is just more blank pixels if you're watching videos or doing anything. So I'm fine with this. Yeah, so we both agree Adam's wrong. Yeah, I think we're on the same page. Perfect. I'm okay with that. Cool.

No, I like it. I'm looking forward to it. Let's say it is May. I will be keeping my eye out for all of the subsequent leaks that are definitely going to happen. Yeah. Because that's what happens with Google. Do you think Samsung's happy about this or upset about this? I think Samsung is in this funny position where whoever else makes a foldable, they can just claim that it's because Samsung started it. And as long as none of them outsell Samsung's foldables,

they'll feel pretty good about it. So there's no threat with the Pixel is what you're saying? Minimal threat because Pixels don't sell nearly as much as Samsung folds. Google's playing catch-up. Samsung's ahead already. They don't have to worry for a little bit. I mean, it's also, how much is the Fold 4? Does it still cost less than $1,800 now? the same it's about the same so it's going to be

like which one would you rather buy the samsung one that's in the carrier store already or the pixel that's brand new 1800 bucks and you've never seen before probably still gonna buy the samsung one we'll see if um if you test it out and then decide not to use it i will volunteer as tribute to try and live a full life with it we'll see we'll see all right well may 2023 next year's may be more interesting in the non-techtember season maybe it's not what we're hearing i think it probably will be maybe it's not coming out in may it may be in may oh my god right, let's do trivia. Yeah, let's stop. All right.

So I don't know why. I'm always like smacking my lips every question. I have removed it every week. Now there's a camera on me. So, you know, anyway, that aside, we've had a lot of fun with it in the office. Dolly too. But where does Dolly get its name from i mean it's an acronym i know oh let's just go never mind is it an acronym is it a backronym is it uh is it neither does it just exist is it the name of an old danish king

i'm gonna go with yes uh i will think about that and I'll probably... I know we've talked about it before. Not on the... We have talked about it before. When we were first discovering Dolly. I don't fully remember it, but I know we've talked about it. Okay, good. Me neither. Okay, fine. All right.

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there might be a cooler one there might be a much cooler looking christmas sweater if you're into looking cool but if you want to look terrible this is the one thank you microsoft it's a microsoft happy holidays from clippy um man i kind of isn't clippy kind of we've probably said this before the original uh assistant virtual assistant if we're working if we're comparing voice assistants though like google assistant it's supposed to like recognize the context of what you're doing in your daily life and present information that might be helpful to you like oh you're about to walk outside let's tell you what the weather is oh you're about to drive to work let me tell you

what the traffic is on the way there oh you've got a flight later today let me tell you like how early to get to the airport clippy is like are you writing a letter here's how you do that and that's that's a virtual assistant clippy walked so everyone else could exactly exactly did clippy predate bonzi buddy was? I don't even know what that is. Now I'm lost. I have not heard of this. Maybe Bonzi Buddy should have been a trivia. Bonzi Buddy was like a Clippy.

It's very similar. It's like a purple gorilla. And it would do things like contact management and calendar management. And it came out that it was spyware. Oh, wow. Yeah, stealing unbelievable amounts of your data. I don't know what would have been done with that data in the late 90s yeah that's a that's a good question this looks vaguely familiar it has like a really silly sounding voice i don't know if we can pull up

the release interesting um i'm checking the wikipedia right now bonzi buddy was first stable in 2005 where clippy shipped in office 2000 but bonzi buddies initial lease was 1999 so uh i guess you can give the timeline edge to bonzi buddy am i even saying that right i guess so bonzi buddy uh but i'd never heard of that too bad it was spyware that's a bummer clippy was pretty universally clippy was universally loved i would say that's what he sounds like whoa he's young past your bedtime sans undertale oh that's like an evil movie computer voice it's not great that sounds like a horror movie. When you're finished, simply click the continue button below. I will automatically re-register you.

It sounds like if a kid was sleeping and their CRT monitor in their bedroom turned on and started flashing, that's the noise that would be coming out of it. The voice that would come out of it. Strange, yeah. You can hear it like stitching together syllables. You can hear the syllables happening. Amazing. But yeah, Clippy Sweater, top notch. There might be another cool sweater coming

out later this year. We might have some inside info in it. I think we can count on it. Yeah, for sure. I'm technically not leaking anything. I'm just saying. I think there might be a cool one coming out. Last subject I have to wrap up this episode. I've had a lot of people asking me if I'm still using the pixel watch i just thought i would do a little update i'm not but

i'm on the galaxy watch 5 now baby whoa what happened okay okay so explain why no more pixel watch okay it my it's hard to explain because while the pixel watch did not get great reviews and I think they were all warranted, like I don't think anyone said about the Pixel Watch was like not true. I actually wound up enjoying the experience a bit. I did like how it looked actually. It grew on me quite a bit.

I think it is proof that the Apple Watch would look better circular, not square, because it kind of just felt like a circle Apple Watch. circular not square because it kind of just felt like a circle apple watch um it's just like i didn't get that sense of enjoyment out of it anymore i found myself waking up in the morning going to work and looking at my resume like oh i don't have my watch on i just like didn't even think of putting it on this morning and maybe that was just like the tracking the automatic tracking turning it on and off i didn't love that much so i stopped kind of using it for my activity tracking which is something i really enjoy on a pixel watch so it almost was just a regular watch to me you know digital that i had to charge every single night you don't miss looking down at your wrist and knowing your heart rate every single second of

the day that was pretty sick i yeah i i don't know it like, it didn't quite have, it didn't feel worth putting it on every morning, which sounds so mean because I like did enjoy it when I had it. And I did constantly look at it and be like, I think this is a really nice looking watch. Battery makes such a big difference in that where you have to like think about how annoying you're going to, how annoyed you're going to be that you're going to have to charge it over and over again. Yes. And the funny thing is, is the Galaxy Watch 5 that I'm wearing right now is minusculely better in terms of battery life. But I just think I like the overall package much more. One thing I have learned from the Pixel Watch is I enjoy the smaller form factor.

So we have very different watches on right now. You have an Apple Watch Ultra. I'm using the 40 mil Galaxy Watch 5. So I went with the smaller version because i liked the pixel watch and i'm really really liking that decision okay um so i can't directly compare battery life to the watch 4 i was using because that was the bigger one which i assume potentially might have a little better battery life um but i'm ending the day around 30 which is if you want to sleep track that might not be enough honestly right you have to charge it again before going to sleep. Yes, but I do not do that. So I don't care that much. I enjoy the fitness tracking aspects of it much better. I think it's a little clearer when you're looking at it. I think a lot of the things

inside some of the activities just track a little better and give me better information. So I enjoy that. And the flat top, the domed top on the Pixel Watch, I got a couple scratches on it from climbing, and I knew, like, there's a certain movement sometimes where you're climbing where your watch hits the wall. Oh, that's dope. And that thing will be destroyed, just like the Apple Watch I had.

The Galaxy Watch 4 I had got crushed climbing. I wore it for six months and never got a scratch on the screen somehow. I got some on like the metal on the outside, but now this one's the silver outside. So you won't see that because it won't chip paint off. And I think the screen seems to be one of the more durable ones I've found. So far, so good. Yeah. I like it a lot so far. I've only been using it for like a week, but everything seems to be just minuscule better than the five even though i'm using the smaller one and also galaxy watch faces are so good i love this watch face i was just gonna ask you have to like so good download a different app to do that

nope it's in the galaxy watch app it matches your jacket conveniently right now it's with the color really nice yeah like this one has so much information without being a total cluttered mess like what's your heart rate real quick um 73 oh yeah i didn't even get to check mine are you nervous yours isn't on i think i have a high every heart rate because the minute i stopped playing ultimate i turned into a it measured it four minutes ago valorant player instead and they don't have high heart rates for a good heart rate 46 you're at 46 four minutes ago when it measured me last yeah oh oh i can do it again see i don't like that watch face some of the apple watch faces feel super cluttered it does i like it better when it's mono colored actually and i have this like crazy gradient of colors mainly because i can like tell at a glance without actually reading the numbers

what's happening like i can see the temperature is cold because it's blue without me going oh it's 43 i can see my battery's good because it's green instead of knowing 67 and if it's red it'll be down i think we're showing the exact same stuff so you've got i've got battery yep temperature yep uh my activity tracking the date the time and the are you running an activity right now or is that just like a quick that's a shortcut to launch a workout and a shortcut to measure my heart rate i don't have that i we both have uv we both have heart rate we both have battery both have steps on the front yep okay and then yeah i have current weather including the weather for the next two hours and then date and then you just have temperature or all more temperature and then i have like sunny cloudy whatever temperature well though that's uv so pretty close mine looks better i agree i do not like the way i don't like the

way the watch face looks and i think about others to change it to all the time and then i inevitably change it to one that looks a little bit worse yeah and then i go back to it that's my other thing is i wish i just liked i like digital watches or digital time for some reason because it feels so much quicker and I felt that the digital watch faces on the Galaxy Watch. If I could get rid of the analog clock, I would. I never use the hands.

Ever. That's what everybody listening at home is trying to find that dud button right now. If you asked me what time it was and you gave me the hands, it would take me 10 seconds. If I asked you what time it was, would you pull your phone out right now? It would be faster for me to pull my phone out than to look at the hands

and be like, okay, let's see. So that's 12, so that's 11. So that's like a half. That's half the fun. You get to remind yourself all the time that you can still tell time. That's like writing in cursive. I hate to admit how much I agree, and I know my wife's currently probably teaching time

at school right now to kids. And I'm sitting here like, I don't want to know that. So kids are still learning to read with the hands, right? Yeah. Okay. So like everyone who has a digital clock everywhere surrounding them in life is learning to read with hands.

And then one day they'll see like a grandfather clock. They're also still told that you won't have a calculator in your pocket all the time. I can't believe they still tell people this. you do have a calculator everywhere you go you literally just yell google assistant and it'll just tell you the answer um anyway where was i oh yeah so you like the watch now yeah i mean i think we kind of got to the end of it i really think i would like though uh anyone on twitter hit me up i want watch band recommendations because the default one's fine but like the apple Trail Loop is the greatest thing in existence

that I want one so bad for just a different watch. I like the Trail Loop. The one thing I will say is this little orange tab. As soon as you sweat, it's decoloring. It's getting like this weird. Tina. Maybe. I guess it's fine.

Wait, can you do that? Velcro ASMR? Yeah. ASMR. That was crisp. I didn't expect it to be that good, but it was actually really good.

That was nice. That's a good, that's a quality mic right there. Uh, but yes, I do wear the trail loop kind of every day now, but I don't wear it for ultimate because I put the sports strap back on. Cause it just snuck.

It. Yeah. Yeah. This thing just a little, wear it for ultimate because i put the sports strap back on because it just snuck really it yeah yeah this thing just a little it gets like kind of soggy and weird when it's wet i don't like that soggy watch band yeah i don't like the soggy trail band it makes it feel like i'm doing something yes it reminds me i'm actually sweating not to get super gross but does it like smell after you shower like after it gets wet do you shower with your watch on yeah oh i don't shower with the band or the watch at all i just take it so that's when i charge my watch i guess you don't really charge your watch very much not my real watch but the apple watch i used to charge and you wore it in the shower yeah did you check your heart rate in there no

i know i always that's the so i sleep track with it so anytime I'm about to go to sleep when I take a shower that's when I get like plus 20 batteries when I'm showering and then wake up and then charge it a little bit in the morning so my watch so the ultra basically like hovers between 30 and 70 percent all the time interesting how do you live like that if I get to charge it every day it's like always between 30 and 70 if i ever forget to charge it for a day i'll get it down to like 10 i will say two full days i do like the apple watch ultra yeah i actually think it works way better as a square in this form factor it looks a hundred times better yeah we'll look crazy as a huge circle wouldn't it yeah i don't know there's something really like industrial and neat i think this is

i don't think the regular glass domed Apple watch that square has that same feeling. I just think that kind of sucks. Fair. Maybe we'll see a redesign at some point. Well, that's kind of it. The videos on the channel this week,

I think are really good. I believe the iPad M two pro review will be up by the time you see this in which I also speculate that we'll probably, we'll be seeing some sort of adjustments to the iPad design at some point. I think we get some display improvement. I think we get some functional improvement, whether it's better speakers

or maybe they try to do MagSafe or maybe it's something else. But I just, we did not sound excited about that. But I do know this M, this M2 iPad pro is basically the same as the M1 iPad pro. So no need to worry if you already have one of the last two years of iPad pros. Um, so check out that review. I think it's a fun one to check out the lucid review. And, uh, I think that's it. We should probably get to answering the trivia questions finally trivia time get your whiteboards all right all good got it got it going with question number one tesla power walls electric

lucid air all electric things how many watts of electric power can an electric eel produce this is hard i have so much context i know exactly how much wattage is required of many household things well we were looking it up because when we did the eco flow it had a list of how much it was and some of them are really funny because heating elements are vastly like your hair dryer was like 100 watts and a refrigerator was like 35 or something which is crazy no it's like a thousand watts for a for a heater a thousand yeah like a pc is like you have a one a thousand watt power supply that's the the peak power that can go through it like a thousand watts a microwave might be a thousand watts right i'm gonna just double check okay yeah to make sure.

But like so many of the cars we drive, for example, will tell us exactly how many kilowatts of energy it takes. I have no idea how much an eel can make. Oh, you're right. A hair dryer is 800 to 1,800 watts. Yeah, so like over 1,000 watts. But like an eel, it's a total mystery. It must be enough to damage an enemy fish.

That's all I know. So I'm going to guess a ridiculous. Oh, well, I'm just going to write what I was going to write. No. Wait. I hope I'm close. No, I'm going to stick with this. Okay.

I think we might be. I'm going low. Oh, perfect. Oh my God. Very god very 50 watts we might be very far from the good luck figuring out who's closest i wrote 10,000 watts i wrote 50 there it is i knew it was coming that's awesome for those of you listening to audio ellis has turned our lights in the back into did Did they both blink red? Okay, that's awesome. They blink red. I hope they blink green if we get it right.

So what's the answer? What's the closest? The answer is 600 watts, meaning Mark has... No. No, I'm far, far from it. I'm 50. He's 10,000. I thought you wrote 1,000 watts.

I wrote 10,000 watts. Okay, 600. So a hairdryer would win in a battle versus an electric eel is what I'm hearing. No, they just both die, I think. So Marques has 15 now. Andrew still has 12. And David has 9. Wait, still has 12?

I should have zero points. I should get an extra point. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay, sorry. We messed that up entirely. Yeah, you did mess that up. 14, 13.

Andrew has 13. Marques has 14. There we go. We messed that up entirely. Yeah, you did mess that up. 14, 13. Andrew has 13. Marquez has 14. There we go. Let's go. Producers have negative one. Also, if there's any zoologists listening right now, can electric eels survive 600 watts? Like, in the eventual hairdryer versus electric eel challenge. Yeah, I think they have to.

Like, right. But do they? I don't know. They've they have to. Right, but do they? I don't know. They're built different. There's the scientific explanation of that. They have to, yeah. I guess so. Please don't throw a hairdryer in an eel tank.

No, no, no. I don't. Yeah. Google says that they reduce the danger to themselves by flexing their bodies in a shape that prevents the electric current from passinging their bodies in a shape that prevents the electric current from passing through their hearts oh they're smart dang dang that's smart they're still getting shocked but just protecting the yeah huh all right question number two where

does dolly get its name okay i think this is an acronym but I don't know what it stands for. I just... I know like half of it, I think. D-A-L-L-E. Two. D-A-L-L-E. Yeah, two. Dolly two. I can't wait to see what Marques is writing. Okay, I got it.

I have an answer. Ready? It's wrong. Ready? Flip. Read it out please okay so mine is i believe it's the mix of the name dolly like the artist and then i put wally like the robot let's go wow marcus what was your acronym i thought it was an acronym so i made one up i wrote diffusion and lenticular lens extension i appreciate that maybe it'll turn into a backronym they'll see this episode and they'll be like that makes a lot of sense yeah i don't think it does but it could why not dolly high game baby the artist who is dolly salador dolly ah very famous apparently well that's that's zero points for me this week oh mac two zero points for me this week

really disappointed in myself well that's fine i still get to pit mac uh that's been it for this week appreciate you watching and listening and of course you're checking out the links in the description as we always put um don't make fun of me too much for missing both the trivia questions this week yeah uh and uh we'll see you guys eventually in the next one peace yeah make sure to subscribe we have some fun episodes coming up by the way it's hit an end of year so we have some kind of slow tech news equals fun episodes i guess a couple things in the works for december oh yeah so subscribe you already know but waveform was produced by adam melina and ellis rovan we are partnered with vox media podcast network and our intro outro music is by vain so let's keep it Take care.