Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Is YouTube Adding Community Notes to Videos?

Episode Date: June 21, 2024

This week, Marques is out working on a big video project so he left Andrew and David in charge of going over the news of the week. First they give their quick impressions on the new Surface devices that showed up right before we sat down to record. Then they discuss the new Threads API before getting into a new Instagram competitor. After that, they discuss the DOJ suing Adobe and YouTube experimenting with community notes. Lastly, they talk about the CMF Phone 1 teaser before wrapping it all up with trivia. Enjoy! Links:  Threads Launches API: https://bit.ly/3z4Cmwr YouTube Community Notes: http://tcrn.ch/3xsKEhi TikTok Launches Whee: https://bit.ly/4ca44qa DOJ Sues Adobe: https://bit.ly/3RBdFOG CMF Phone Teaser: https://bit.ly/3RBZt7X TLD Health Update Video: https://bit.ly/4eyxYGj Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Socials: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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make fun colors for things that are like the pro versions? Is this considered a pro version? It's not, but I look at that and I'm like It is called the Surface Pro. Oh, it is the Surface Pro. So it literally is the pro version. I guess so, yeah. By name. I look at it, I'm like, I love that blue and then I'm like, I would never buy that blue.

You wouldn't buy this? I understand why they don't make it. You wouldn't buy this? I like it. I don't think so. I really like it. It's very blue. It matches your hat, kind of. There's more blue. Not at all. I mean, it's blue.

In the sense that they're both blue. They're both blue. Yeah. What is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We are your hosts. My name is Andrew. And I'm David. and marquez is out he's out he's working on a really cool big project i don't think we're allowed to talk about yet he asked me to say it is a big video that you

guys can see if you subscribe whoa that's how you see video oh yeah subscribing do it all yeah also happens on this channel by by the way. You can. We just passed 400,000. That's right. That means we're the big time. Big time. We're basically bigger than Joe Rogan. We're bigger than...

I'm taller than Joe Rogan. Really? Yeah. He's really short, actually. Is he really? Yeah. Well, good for him, I guess. Good for him.

Anyway, we got quite a lot of things to talk about today. It's the week after WWDC week. Every time there is a major Apple event, nobody releases anything on that week because they would be competing for views and that doesn't work. So we got a bunch of little stories coming in this week. Like the Threads API is finally launched. TikTok just launched an Instagram competitor, which is very ironic. The Department of Justice is at it again

with the white vans suing Adobe and YouTube is experimenting on a community notes feature that totally won't backfire. Great. YouTube features are always fun to talk about on this show. Yes, yes they are. But first, Microsoft's first co-pilot PCs are finally out. We actually have them here. features are always fun to talk about on this show yes yes they are but first uh microsoft's first co-pilot pcs are finally out we actually have them here you haven't noticed for the video

viewers uh this is the new surface pro no longer it's not service pro x i don't know it's just service pro okay and that is the surface laptop 15 inch 15 inch it's funny because i had been using a laptop very similar to this so yeah if somehow you didn't watch the video version of like the last 20 episodes yeah and you came back to this you might just be like the laptop looks a little bigger but still the same yeah so these are the copilot plus pcs with the qualcomm snapdragon x elite chipsets which are arm laptops it's another go at arm that Microsoft's trying out. But there was some drama with the recall feature, which we previously talked about.

It got recalled. It got recalled. And then I think like a couple of different things happened. We talked about it when it was opt out by the time that video launched or maybe even just that weekend. I think it was the day of. I think it was that Friday. They changed it to being opt in which was great.

Then people were still so mad about it. Now it is only going to be available for what's it called? Windows Insiders. But it's not even available for them yet. You'll get a notification when it is available for you to test it. Which also all of test it which also all of

that drama turned into all of these microsoft review units coming a little later right which is kind of why the launch date was the 18th which was yesterday for us and that's when everybody got their actual computers yeah so to catch you guys up uh if you didn't listen to previous episodes microsoft recall was this feature that microsoft is going to launch on all of these co-pilot plus PCs, which is their new generation of what they call AI PCs. And basically, it tracks everything that you do every five seconds and takes a screenshot and then allows you to go back in time and ask the computer, like, what was I looking at on this day? Or where can I find this? Or what was that podcast I was looking at? Because it uses contextual large language models to then view that information uh some independent

security researchers realized that everything was being stored in plain text which is just you know the most classic this happens to everybody all the time um so a lot of people got very upset about it. Like Andrew said. Rightfully so. They moved it to needing to use like Windows Hello to be able to access it. And then eventually they were like, let's just put this with the insiders. Yeah.

So Windows Insiders is like a beta version of Windows that you can manually opt into or you get the early features early, but it's going to be a little more, you know. And they'll be able to test it out and essentially figure out some more flaws in it. So hopefully by the early features early, but it's going to be a little more, you know. And they'll be able to test it out and essentially figure out some more flaws in it. So hopefully by the time this launches, it will be launched correctly for none of us to use.

Yeah. But anyway, like Andrew said, yesterday was the embargo for all of these Copilot Plus PCs. So technically there's no embargo on these. We can talk about them. Asus did seed a number of their vivo books to a lot of uh people early dave 2d has a video out that's pretty good there's a there's a window central article out about it um overall people are really liking these they have very good

battery life because they're arm powered um there are some apps that they can't run which is kind of annoying the translator i don't really know if it's working correctly um but yeah good battery life they're lower cost the the asus vivo book is 12.99 which is a pretty good price and they're mostly competing against the m3 chipsets okay so they're slightly better than M3 in most categories. They're not going to beat the M3 Pro or the M3 Max, but if you want a Windows laptop that is close to performance

to the highest-end Apple computers, then they're finally out here. Yeah, and we decided to open these up and set them up right before coming into this room just so we could have a very, very quick, brief thoughts about some things we like

or don't like about them. But again, these have been open for less than an hour. So this is extremely- These are very raw thoughts. My first thought, and maybe this has been around for longer because I think my Surface laptop 13 inch is probably three or four years old.

The trackpad click on this is the best trackpad click i've ever felt in any laptop is better than my macbook pro it is better than a lot of the xps that we've had in here this is like pristine this is exactly what i want yeah they updated to a similar technology as the macbook where it's not actually clicking it's just giving you feedback it's fantastic and i think i tried it right before the episode and it is better than the mac it's just giving you feedback it's fantastic and i think i tried it right before the episode and it is better than the mac it's better than the macbook because it feels deeper than the macbook yeah it's just got all the feedback that i want to make sure i know i'm clicking and bravo i know that has nothing to do with arm or co-pilot or any of the real things

this computer is about but other than that this beautiful. One thing you pointed out is how the bottom edges are curved, so now it's not flat. On the screen, yeah. On the screen by the bezels. That looks fantastic. Just a nice little quality of life thing. Yeah. Windows makes great looking and feeling laptops. Microsoft, yeah. Microsoft, yes. Yeah. Yeah. Well,

yeah. No, no, no. You're right. I'm wrong. 100%. And it's running Windows 11, which I don't think I had on my previous one. So I'm excited to mess around on... I'm in Edge right now also. Just saying. Wow. I don't know.

Lots of people like Edge. Not again. Yeah, that's true. People dig Edge. People dig Edge. I don't use it, but... David, you're the one that was saying that Edge is pretty good. Edge is...

You used it a couple months ago, weren't you? It has gotten more bloated since they've use it, but... David, you're the one that was saying that Edge is pretty good. Edge is okay. You used it a couple months ago, weren't you? It has gotten more bloated since they've launched it, especially with all their co-pilot stuff that they're trying to do. It's like the AI browser. I mean, I'm sure Chrome will unfortunately go that route. Yeah, everyone's going to go that route. They also made the Surface laptop a little bit thicker, too. It definitely feels thicker.

It's hard to compare because I have the 13 inches of the other one, but it for sure seems thicker. Yeah, it's to help cool the chip to make it have better performance. Yeah, so we're going to have to test these out. We'll probably have more thoughts later. What do you think of, we were messing around with the pen on the Surface Pro.

So this is the Surface Pro. They made a new keyboard case which is really cool, that has a battery in it this time. So you probably can't see that, but here's the keyboard for the video viewers, and here's the Surface Pro. And it charges while it's hooked up to it,

and then you can separate from it and still use it and type in everything. And that's really nice, because if you're at a coffee shop or something and or on a plane and you want to use the you want to use the tray table for the actual computer, but have the keyboard in your lab, something like that. I think it's pretty cool. They also had a really I think this is my favorite thing for that.

And I'm going to steal it from you for one second. But I saw a picture of someone using it where they took the tablet or they folded the stand almost all the way back so it had just a slight look and then what you can do is you can keep the keyboard to your side oh yeah for shortcuts right if you're doing and then you have the the pad right in front of you to draw on so you can like be doing everything you do with your dominant hand and then your left hand can be here for save, copy, paste, all that stuff. And now that this is the battery, it can be detached.

I think that, and it's not in your way. Cause you usually like this close to you, right? I like how you have Dota on here already. Also I just- This is my, the number one thing that I use to test laptops is how much do I like playing Dota on? Can I play Dota with a stylus? Yes.

So yeah, I mean, I'm hoping the battery life is going to be good on these as well. It's good on the Asus laptop, but that just has a physically very large battery. So yeah, we'll be testing those out over the next couple of weeks, and we'll let you guys know. My browser closed, so I need to reopen. That was probably my fault. That was definitely my fault. Also, the Surface Pro is now OLED, which looks really good. The Surface laptop is not.

That's something that I got minorly wrong in our episode where we talked about it. But it is 120 hertz. Always. Which is pretty awesome. I do like that. Yeah, so they're definitely catching up in a lot of categories, and it's good to see. But we'll have more thoughts later. Anyway, let's get to our first story.

Threads officially launched its API. So if you guys are old like us, you may remember a day when Twitter had clients. And you could download all of these different Twitter apps like Falcon and Phoenix and all of this stuff. And it was just a way better experience. Were they all birds? Mostly.

Wasn't Flamingo one also? I got birds, boy. Got birds, baby. I got birds, boy. I know that's what Adam was going for. Yeah, most, I think they were mostly birds. Oh, I guess Twitter's a bird. Yep.

Right. Did you just realize that? Yes. Well, that's why I realized the connection. Right. But eventually they just stopped giving out API token access, and they kind of switched to this model where you had to use the Twitter app,

which kind of sucked. Reddit did the same thing. It's been a slow demolishment of these third-party apps turning into just you have to use the main app, which sucks. But Threads just officially launched their API, which means third parties can make apps, which is very funny because it also means

that you can make an iPad app for Threads, whereas Instagram, which does not have an open API, you can't make a third-party app for that. So it's very nice that we're finally going to be able to see what a third-party client of threads could look like. Primarily, the functions in the API are for insights about posts. So they have access to publishing and replying and all those things. But Adam Asiri said it was specifically for apps like hootsuite for people

that want to just see multiple different threads accounts at once or monitor the insights of different posts that kind of stuff so it sounds like it's more enterprise focused however that doesn't mean that people are not going to make interesting apps for it for sure and i still never use threads on web browser at all which is means I basically never use threads as an app at all. So if that's better. It's on the web. I know it's on the web. It's good on the web.

They actually just had a really big update recently. Yeah, the algorithm, in my opinion, is terrible. That's just my opinion. I feel like it mostly just shows you viral content and not even necessarily content you're interested in there's a lot of people on threads that are just uh engagement farming all the time not the most fun experience but maybe if uh a third-party app comes out yeah i can't even blame it on threads that much because pretty much every social media platform is doing that and pushing the stuff that's popular and annoying sometimes and not like the personal fun niches that you find. But it does have the following versus for you tab and you can access that on WebNow, right?

Yes. However, you cannot default to following. I don't think we will ever get that. I think the compromise is. Just saying. You can default to following. I don't think we will ever get that. I think the compromise is Twitter. Just saying you can you can default to following on Twitter and I only stay on the

following. Yeah. Twitter. So they both have their good and bad things like Twitter pays you to engagement form.

So that's a lot worse. But yeah threads doesn't let you default to that which sucks because then every time you open it you're just on the for you page and then you get lost and then it's been half an hour and then you black out and wake up sounds like they're doing you are the prime example of why that will never change exactly and that's why i open it a lot less often so do you know if the

api will allow bots to auto post kind of thing? I believe so. Because all I want are like those interesting Twitter bots that like, you know how every Friday it's like, ladies and gentlemen, the weekend. The weekend. Yeah, like those or. There's the like year percentage. Yes.

Like the loading bar, yeah. Yeah, I believe that it will allow for that. Those are fun. And yeah, I forgot that those kind of all got screwed over and aren't available anymore. Yeah. And what kind of, one of the things that made Twitter fun.

Yeah. And there's a lot of very useful bots on Twitter that kind of disappeared as well. I'm surprised actually, this is a very New York central thing, but there's the New York alternate side parking account. Yes. Oh, really?

Oh, my God. It saved me so many tickets. Which will tell you if you have to move your car or if you don't have to move your car. It's like alternate side parking is in effect, so you need to move your car today. Oh. Yeah. Whereas if it's a holiday or there's a special federal holiday that you didn't know about, then it says there is no alternate side parking that's in effect today, so you don't have

to move your car. Ask a dumb question. That's what is alternate side parking this uh in effect today so you don't have to move your car ask a dumb question that's what is alternate side parking oh okay good question so in new york city they do street sweeping okay so it's alternating which side of the street you're allowed to park on right okay so in my neighborhood um you can't park on the left side of the street it's between certain hours too so it's from like 8 30 a.m to 10 30 a.m on the left side of the street it's between certain hours too so it's from like 8 30 a.m to 10 30 a.m on the left side of the street on mondays and thursdays and then on the right side of the street it's tuesdays and fridays and then one street over it's 10 30 a.m to 1 30 p.m so you have to like develop this algorithm in your head as to like when can i park here and how can i park here

and tuesday nights are the best because there's no street sweep here on wednesdays anyway nobody needs to know about this. Sorry. Which is why that bot was so helpful. Which is why, which, and it's still, they still post on it, which is surprising to me. Oh, on Twitter? On Twitter.

I wonder if they do that manually. Probably. Interesting. Yeah. Anyway, moving on. Social media to social media. Social media to social media. ByteDance just launched an Instagram competitor.

I waited to click this because I didn't want to see what it looked like until the pod. Do they show any good examples of? Yeah, it looks exactly like Instagram, basically. It's a very cut down version of Instagram. Yeah. Yeah. So it's called We, which is a very strange name for an app. It's available in 12 countries, not in the United States. However, you might be able to find an APK,

just saying. And it's a very, very cut down version of Instagram that it says is for friends only. So it's kind of like if Instagram and Facebook, which is ironic, had a baby where you have to friend request people. And then when you're friends, that's when you see each other's content. I mean, that feels like what Instagram used to be. And even at this point- That's what Facebook used to be.

I mean, Instagram was like that similarly also. It was like you were friends with each other. There weren't a ton of these publicly facing profiles. I used to only use instagram as people i knew in person and i still think i guess most people now that have private ones are still following plenty of public accounts and that sounds like that's not what's gonna happen here right but yeah cut down is one way of describing this this almost feels like like when web pages make mobile versions and cut down everything, this looks like it did

that except that the original source file of Instagram was already a mobile thing. And then they like made it more mobile, aka just like got rid of way more like margins and lines essentially. It's just like bubbles of everything. There's only three tabs at the bottom. There's a messaging tab. There is a take a photo and post it tab. And then there's a look at your other friends post is that what that is yeah that's like the sparkle it's a sparkle emoji i we don't have to get into that but uh yeah it's it's

very simplistic i think they're just sort of testing it to see if people are interested in it that's why they're doing a soft launch in just a few countries. It's Instagram with squircles. Yeah, everything is a squircle, basically. Everything in the entire app. So I'm actually, I'm very glad that this is a first order relationships based app where you have to mutually agree to follow each other because if it was a public facing account based app,

everyone would be flooding it to try to get as big as possible because that's what always happens there's a new social media platform that opens up and people just flood it to get their username and then they also just try to get as big as possible as fast as possible because if it does take off then all of a sudden you're the biggest one on Wii or whatever

it's like social media investing yeah pretty much do you know if the two parties need to follow each other before they can start seeing things? Or is it like a one-way? I believe that's how it works. I need to download the APK and try it out. But one of the screenshots shows friend requests.

Similar to when two private accounts on Instagram follow each other, I would follow you and you would get a thing that says I followed you, but you have to like accept it, follow back or whatever. Right. That's what it kind of feels like, which look, I don't want to wax about how the golden days of Facebook were so golden. However, I do think that social media, however uh i do think that social media when you mutually when you already know each other in real life is a lot healthier than this like i have no idea who you are so i'm going to scream at you on the internet and there have been multiple phases of social media there was first level where you know each other in real life there's second level where you can follow anyone um but you're not but

you only see the content of the people that you follow, which means you are also less likely to just scream at them and tell them to kill themselves or whatever. Don't do that ever. Don't do that. But third level is like algorithmic timelines. You just get fed random stuff from random people and you have no connection to them whatsoever. And it's just all awful.

I might be showing my age here a little bit, but do you remember that Facebook, when you communicated with other people, it wasn't thread-based, it was only wall-based. So if I was going to be posting something on your wall, I would say like, hey, David, what's up? And for you to reply to me, you had to come to my wall and say, everything's great.

And there's zero connection between them at all like that's how the conversation was based in the really early days in the really early days okay then i believe i forget if it was before they started letting you reply in threads they did make a thing where you could click a button and you could show all the communications you had between each other in somewhat of a dashboard but then it came into this more like, I can actually keep things spoken together. I remember seeing notifications of like, Andrew posts on David's wall and it would just show your conversation you were having.

Yeah, it was very AB. There was not like the story-based or the like bringing in other things and what's happening on other people's accounts. It was very much like, I purposely wanted to show you something or say something to you. So I went to yours and you had to come back to mine.

I just think social media where it's just a digital version of your real life is just going to be way healthier in every way. Because imagine you're on Facebook and you I don't even know what Facebook looks like right now because I haven't really been on there in like 10 years. But the old version of Facebook, I'm scared. I don't want to interrupt, but my version of Facebook for some reason is off the rails right now. And it's just crazy patriotic AI images of like, why won't this ever trend? And like a semi truck with like a hundred Marines carrying flags driving down a highway that's so obviously AI because none of the words make sense.

There's cars driving the wrong way down the road and no tractor trailer can carry people on the back of it holding flags. Sorry. That's what I'm getting served on Facebook lately. So you get served thing because that's the question I have is like, I have not been on Facebook since you just interacted with your friends. Yeah. You get served random algorithmic stuff now.

Yeah, yeah. And a lot of it is just like, all of those are just accounts that are pages that are trying to bring in as much bullshit content as possible. That and a lot of them are like, all the sports ones, it's like the lowest level of sports journalism possible

where rather than just being like, the Devils might be interested in a trade with the Maple Leafs. It's just like, where is the Devils $68 million winger going to head to next? And it's probably like 50 ads in the website that you click on. So I derailed that.

I'm sorry. That's fine. I just, I feel like that that early form of Facebook was probably the most healthy. The early form of Twitter before they added algorithmic stuff was probably the most fun because I love interacting with people that i like appreciate on the internet and having them

be able to reply back like that's the magic of that was the magic of twitter this third level like everything is algorithmic just get fed because imagine you were on facebook in 2009 imagine posting like i grew my business from this to this here's three things i learned what are your friends gonna say to you what is your mom gonna say to you yeah like you just wouldn't do that great job sweetie yeah exactly but this is funny that now coming back to it that tiktok the i know there are a lot of people who use it as just like friends but generally all accounts on tiktok are public no i'm just there probably are some

sort of private versions but like yeah i guess you can set an account private but everything you see on the feed i believe is tiktok to me just has always felt like less of a point-to-point communication and more of a throwing things out into the world yeah. I'm sure I'm semi wrong about that, but now creating this more AB friend to friend communication point is kind of cool. It's also really funny that Instagram created reels because of Tik TOK. And now Tik TOK is like, well, you can play this game.

Let's just make Instagram also. That is, that is the irony. The funny thing is they actually did make something similar called Tik TOK notes a few months ago. That is a lot more like actual instagram and then this is a lot more just like early facebook slash like a early early early early instagram so instagram before stole from snapchat and stole from tiktok and took from

everything else i think everyone right now thinks that there's a hole in the market for more peer to peer like people i know in the real world based communication that there's a hole in the market for more peer-to-peer people I know in the real world based communication. That's why B-Roll got popular for a while, but then Instagram just added a B-Roll feature which eliminated the entire point. I'll throw it out there. I use Snapchat again as what old Snapchat is

of just like I quickly wanna send Claire a picture of Lane or something like that. I feel like I'm slowly getting back into Snapchat with some old friends of just very quick communications with photos. Tim never stopped. I like it. Tim does send me a lot of Snapchat.

Really? Yeah. He sent me one in Colorado of someone climbing a mountain with no rope. Oh, that's crazy. I was like, I don't want to look any further at this if she falls. It's interesting because Snapchat is a thing that was very early,

like a long time ago as well, and their core feature is still mostly the same. They started making most of their money through the Discover stuff, the videos and whatever. But if you just send people snaps, it's basically the same feature as when it launched. Yeah, agreed. So I think that's why they have a huge ad campaign right now.

That's running all throughout Brooklyn. That's it. Yeah. It's, it's like less social media, more Snapchat. And I'm like, okay,

it's still kind of social media, but yeah. Uh, yeah. We'll see if this tech talk, we app ever ends up making it to the United States. We will see. We will see.

But, uh, until then, I think we need to throw it to trivia trivia okay trivia dude so Ellis is sick so he is not here this is a this room feels very empty right now yeah but there's like gaps in the talking, it's probably because we have three instead of five people. But he did want me to clarify that he is sick as fuck. So he sent in a question for you guys.

That he is sick of you losers. These are going to be Marques-based questions because he is not here. Nice. Okay. So is Marques a sausage McMuffin person or an egg McMuffin person? Figure it out. I feel like

I have a clue. I thought he mentioned this in the studio video once. He did? Yeah. Yes. Wow. It was an Apple event. Ellis was found him at like the courtyard outside of our hotel, sat down, asked him the question. Correct.

I remember that. Do you remember the answer? Interesting. I think I do, but I think I remember it just because I've been to McDonald's breakfast with Marques so many times. Wow. It's usually that or Starbucks that we go to on trips

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Yes. Finally. I wish I could sue Adobe for how often Premiere crashes. But yeah, they're actually suing them because there are very hidden early termination fees when you sign up for Adobe Creative Cloud. The main complaint is that they advertise their most popular plan, which is technically a yearly plan,

but they show you the monthly cost to have the yearly plan. So the weird thing is that you're basically signing a contract that says, I will pay monthly for 12 months. And if I want to cancel anytime within those 12 months, the termination fee is 50% of the amount of months that you have left. And it sounds like the confusing thing here is it's not uncommon for companies to offer cheaper by month if you commit. I mean, my climbing gym, if I pay each and every month, it is like maybe $35. But if I just pay for the entire year, it winds up being like $30 a month.

But it sounds like Adobe is when you get to that screen, it's just like first thing pre-selected X amount of money monthly, but in the terms and conditions that's agreeing to a year and has these termination fees that people don't know about. Like your gym membership thing, there was a climbing gym that I used to go to

that you could pay for a year, but you would just pay for the year all at once. Yeah, that's, yeah. You didn't pay monthly, but you were committing to a year. It's just a, it's a very weird thing so like for this with adobe if i canceled after six months how much would i have to pay you would owe three months because it's 50 of the remaining yeah because there's six months left and you're gonna pay

half of what the remaining is um it did say on here just to be clear after the first year i think then you can cancel after any month and not hit that. But still, a first year is when they're gonna, is when someone's gonna make the decision on usually if they want to or don't want to use a product anymore. And in that case, the canceling, like most people will probably see like, well, if I'm gonna pay half already,

I might as well just finish this out. And then for Adobe, that's a huge win. And then you probably forget that you've been paying for it. And then keep paying for it. Yeah, that's what a lot. And then you probably forget that you've been paying for it. And then keep paying for it. Yeah. That's what a lot of apps do. Even Adobe will be like, well, we'll give you a free month if you stay with us.

And then you do. And then you completely forget that you're paying for it. And it just kind of goes into this loophole. Sounds like you've done that before. Not me. It couldn't be me. Yeah. But it's interesting because the Department of Justice is suing Adobe.

But they're also implicating two top executives at the company who they say were basically in charge of making this pricing plan work. And it does seem very bad for consumers. I've heard this complaint from people constantly over the last number of months. You hear people complain about Adobe? No way. Never would have guessed. But specifically about their very confusing structure i mean their structure is confusing in a lot of different ways like they

do have a lot of different well first of all it's super expensive now it's just monthly like it's only subscription-based which everyone loves subscription-based programs it's very annoying that's a final final cut's just a one-time fee right well if you get the laptop version the ipad yeah not five dollars a month i feel like the laptop version or like the general desktop version is we're not that far off from that being a street subscription yeah if they make because they already made final cut 2 for ipad but if they make final cut 2 for laptop for desktop and they made their i could see them making it part of Apple One or something like that.

For sure, for sure. Yeah. There's also all sorts of different student prices. I would not be surprised if over the last 20 years, Photoshop is probably one of the most pirated software programs out there. I think there's a lot of people, I wouldn't know who,

who learned a lot about computers learning how to crack an adobe photoshop uh software program right um yeah and there's a reason why because they're super annoying with their prices and all of this stuff yeah a lot of people that i know will pay for the plan because they like the integration between the apps sure so like if you a lot of people use premiere because it links to after effects so when you're making things in after effects you can just hit save and it automatically updates in premiere and that's the main reason that i know a lot of people use premiere just saying um resolve from da vinci is free you could use that uh final cut if you're on a Mac is $300 once. Premiere also works with Audition though.

I'm saying this as a Premiere user who has the opportunity to switch to Final Cut and I've just been in Premiere for so long I still love it. I like Adobe Suite. I do too. There's a lot of things about Adobe. I used Premiere for like 10 years and I like Premiere better but it was just so unstable

so consistently and people have told me recently that it's crashing less but yeah i don't get it quite as often um and mariah is a huge premiere proponent she says like a lot of the coloring and a lot of the different stuff that's available and it is just far better i know that's lacking a lot in a lot of ways that honestly i think the main reason that we tend to use final cut around here is that it auto saves literally every single time you do anything so it it does not crash and freeze that often when it does you can just close it when you reopen it you're exactly where you left off or i had so many times in premiere where i'd work for half an hour it would crash and then i would

just lose everything and there wouldn't be an auto save i feel there definitely is an auto save frequency i remember a long time ago just like muscle memory just like command or control s on like a yeah like an inner timer in my head like every two minutes like i'm not even i like watch back the clips just like cool control us and then the little loading bar comes up yep uh yeah so at least once a week i hear mariah say ah this would be so easy on premiere and then she finishes exporting and gets to leave at five o'clock instead of seven o'clock yeah that's true that's true um but i think the wildest thing about this is the fact that they're specifically targeting two executives who they said um there's it also says in here that customer service representatives

would intentionally drop or disconnect calls everyone knows they're alleging alleging sorry but like calling customer support it takes so long to finally talk to someone and then you finally get to maybe a point and where something's happening and if that disconnects the last thing you want to do is restart that process because if you didn't get some sort of uh like reference number that you can bring back and just get back into the call half the time that doesn't help or doesn't let you skip any line i would probably give up also yep so the fact that there's allegedly uh intentionally doing that which would surprise't surprise me, is crazy. What is this?

Some users report that while trying to cancel, they were put into software loops that would not let them cancel. That I'm not surprised about. I've had that in multiple different, I've tried to cancel like Verizon Fios and doing that, it's like,

what's your new address? And I type it in, it's like, we can't find that. And then all of a sudden, I'm gone from the canceling page. And so, all of this sounds very much

around a lot of different software and tech things in general. Yeah. Adobe is just way too big in the creative space though. Like we need competitors that are actually going to be able to stand up to them. They recently had their Figma acquisition blocked, which I think was a good thing

because then they would just have no competition whatsoever. So yeah, we'll see where that where this goes there's a lot of a lot of big tech lawsuits happening right now like a lot of them which is great it is good it needs to be they need to all be checked they all these big tech companies need a reality check every once in a while and maybe whether all the things happen that we wanted to them at least thinking there are potential consequences for stuff this is an absurd like almost no way of seeing that you're just going to get this phantom charge later for canceling right it's pretty wild but you were talking about um alternatives adam you just started using pixelmator pixelmator what do you think of it so far I really like it it's what Brandon uses so for as long as I've started

here actually I don't think I've ever Brandon's always he's always used pixel mater yeah and it's a little different like the UI and everything about it is not what I'm used to with Photoshop but once

you learn where everything is it kind of does all the same things so I was working in it this morning because I try to like i've seen brandon use it very seamlessly and he makes beautiful thumbnails with it and i'm like i feel like i should learn how to use this just in case like brandon or tim is like indisposed i need to make a thumbnail for something like waveform related or personal yeah um so it's like an easy

to learn software in that sense but it's a standalone software as well so i don't i also think it's mac only i believe is it yeah i think so i don't think it's on windows or anything else its layout in general looks like it would want to be on like an ipad or something like that like it's very basic with lots of sliders and panels on the side where I think Photoshop thrives in knowing shortcuts and knowing tools, stuff like that, where toolbars are so little because most of the people using it are so

efficient in it already. Yeah, it's Apple's only. I want Tim to now do a video of testing Adobe alternatives as someone who's learned his idea. I would love that, but I will say, I don't think it'll be as hard for him as you think it is. Like this morning when I was working on a thumbnail,

he just walked over, was like, what if you do this? And like press three things and intuitively knew where it would go. No, but that's good. I would rather him go into it and be like, oh, this is easy. Maybe you don't need a year long uncancellable Adobe subscription if you're

getting into it he learned it from school and is to use it forever i doubt he'll ever change but him showing how powerful they could be could be totally our graphic designer test adobe alternatives yeah that would probably be a great video that'd be so all right moving on uh youtube is experimenting with a community notes-esque feature called notes which is totally not going to backfire totally not and i'm still excited for this yeah kind of so for those who don't know what community notes on twitter x are um they're they're it actually is a kind of good feature uh it's very funny when they get posted because often they get posted on advertisements. Yes.

Which I'm not sure why Twitter wants to do that because it just completely destroys their ad revenue. But considering how many terrible dropshipping ads there are on Twitter right now, it's very funny when these notes get posted. It is really good for the actual consumer because it's so much harder to get tricked into some... Half of them at this point aren't even dropshipping. Most of the community notes are like,

you will pay and this website will disappear in like a month and you will not... You've just lost your money. You don't even get the cheap garbage you just overpaid for. You just straight get scammed. So that's great. It is tough for Twitter because why would you want to pay them to just get exposed?

But yeah, community notes on twitter are great because it does help sometimes it obviously can be abused and like it can be abused by basically brute force um if enough people want to screw with something they can screw with it and maybe it gets changed later but um it does help with misinformation or things that are wrong and like that is obviously on youtube as well right uh yeah it's a little weirder on youtube um yeah now obviously youtube has a lot of guardrails to make sure that people don't just come in and start just like saying things because oftentimes people will go in youtube comments and just be like you're wrong it's actually this and they're totally wrong and it's just ridiculous. But the way this is going to work, and it's just a test

for now, it's not actually rolled out. This is kind of the way that YouTube does things is it just slowly test things. Users with active YouTube channels in good standing will be able to write notes about a video about on a video to clarify certain things about the video. This then gets passed to third-party evaluators who will rate whether they find the notes useful. If they do, they might appear under the video. And then YouTube has an algorithm where if a significant number of people who previously rated notes differently now rate a note as helpful it will be more likely to show that note so for example if you are rating a bunch of notes and a lot of

them are just people trying to mess with the video and you say this is not helpful this is not helpful and then you say one is helpful it's more likely to show that note under the video because there's a higher likelihood that it's an actually good note. Okay. That makes sense. So I feel like these notes are probably going to be more helpful for like videos that come out from politicians or, you know, different organizations, maybe, um, maybe brands. Yeah. Yeah. I honestly see this. And one thing I think would be cool in there is you say so it goes community note gets created

gets sent to third party whatever that means whether it's users I think it's users willing to go into that it should first go straight to the channel that published it because like let's take ours for example like we go through so many things there's small things we get wrong

randomly if there was just a note that said hey the iPhone rails are titanium not aluminum like you said it this is the community note and marquez just looked at it and went oh yeah that is right and just clicked okay yeah then we know that's right and it can go there and it could stop that i think the the potential of this is cool because this is gonna sound like a hot take but i miss annotations to sound like a hot take, but I miss annotations. That's not a hot take, bro. Okay, really? I want, who doesn't miss annotations?

Okay, the people who don't miss annotations and the reason they're gone is because of people who abuse the hell out of them, like the invisible one. So when you click and try and pause the video, you go to some random link or whatever, or you click on a video and there's 20 of them filling the whole screen. Right. That stunk. I think channels in good standings should be able to put annotations on videos because i agree there's not a lot of things you can do to a video that's already published if there is a small mistake in there

so being able to put a little note like it's basically like when you throw up like an asterisk like reclaiming something you said out loud because you can't go back and edit it right that would be awesome in a community note where we could say on our podcast two weeks ago we could say hey by the time this came out recall is now opt out or opt in instead of opt out that would have been the video after it's been edited yeah yeah because people that write articles can just edit the article and then say a previous version version of this article said X, Y, Z, but we can't do that with video. With an hour long podcast that takes two plus days to fully post production and everything and publish.

So that would be awesome. And being able to have an audience go through that and us be able to approve it and be like, oh yeah, enough people said this that could get thrown in there and approved. That would be cool. Yeah. The abusing part is where multiple users come in and do stuff like that that's why they're going to be sent to third party people to say whether or not they're actually useful yes so i'm sure that they're thinking about this very deeply i don't think they're

just gonna like ship it and like chaos reign but but that's the thing and this is the thing we talk about all the time is they can think about it as hard as possible they can do all of their internal testing everything can seem perfect and it will be out in the real world for 30 minutes and something absurd is going to happen to it and it is going to be the verge headline for a week right and stuff's going to get messed up and then they'll have to go back and fix it or it will rain true chaos yeah for a while which might be funny yeah in this test they're only giving it to a limited number of people to test out um so we're gonna see how that goes and then they basically said if it works out and people like it they're going to then determine whether or not

it's actually worth rolling out so i I'm my final thoughts on this. I'm excited. And I think there's a lot of good potential that could come out of this for very basic, like essentially asterisks onto minor fixes because like we're pretty quick, but imagine those people who take months to make a video and then they just want to put one little thing on there.

Like the amount of hard work they've done and how easy they could just make that simple fix because of that. And it happens to the best of us. Yeah, for sure. All the time. All the time. Especially when you have a video that's like 30 to 45 minutes long, you're going to get like small things. Yeah, for sure. And the way that I amend those things right now is just like either tag a comment or putting it in the description, usually pinning a comment.

But it would be easier. I do miss annotations a lot. Yeah, I miss annotations a ton. Because people watching things are on their phone and full screen. You don't see comments. They're on their smart TV. You don't see comments. If it's a physical video thing inside of it, great.

Which, speaking of smart TVs, really quickly. I have recently been watching YouTube on my projector. Okay. And on the Android TV YouTube app, you have all the settings that you have on the phone app, except there's no playback speed function. And I watch everything at 2X. And I can't do that on my projector.

I don't know. It's so annoying. There's something so much funnier about 2x playback on like the tv in your living room like i'm just imagining claire walking into me like watching a disc golf video at 2x speed for some reason and just being like i don't want any part and like walking away i don't know why that's different i don't know if my samsung tv there's definitely settings. It must.

I think it does. I didn't think I was able to either on my TCL Roku TV, and I didn't know it was an option. And they either just added it or it's been there all along and I just couldn't find it, but it was in the settings. Can you... I don't think it's on my Android TV app. But if you have the Android TV app, can you cast to the projector through that on your phone and set it on your

phone i'll try that i don't think you can control playback when you're casting like playback speed what if you can what if you change it first and then cast i don't know i haven't tried it i'll try it tonight i'll try that i'll try it tonight report back i will anyway we should take it to trivia trivia i forgot this computer has touchscreen i've missed that on my macbook it's so nice i barely use it before the podcast just like scrolling easily being able to scroll through our notes yeah touch screen so nice it is pretty nice all right next question we all know that marquez plays professional ultimate frisbee on the new york empire website it has a few fun facts about him, like

the fact that he's 6'3". He plays the position of Cutter, which I didn't know was a position until just now. Isn't that a country? Cutter? I don't know how to respond to that. Just continue. And his birthday. But, according to this

website, what is his nickname? Wait, he has a nickname? Yes, he does. Ooh, Andrew Stump. I don't know that. Nice. I'm glad. Huh. Interesting. I've played Ultimate with Marques for a very long time. I've known him for a very long time. We did not. I feel like I did not know this.

Every team I've played on him with, he did not have a nickname. This website states that he has a nickname. What is it? Alright. We website states that he has a nickname. What is it? All right. We'll figure that out after the break. Support for the show today comes from NetSuite. Anxious about where the economy is headed? You're not alone.

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By CMF by nothing. By nothing? It's not the nothing Phone 1. It's the CMF Phone 1. It's the CMF by nothing Phone 1. The CMF by nothing. That's actually their brand name on Twitter. That's very funny. CMF by nothing.

Anyway, CMF is launching a new phone called the Phone 1, which not to be confused with the nothing Phone 1, it has no parentheses, so that's how you know the difference. On July 8th, they're going to be talking a lot more about it. They're also going to be releasing the second generation of

the CMF Watch and the CMF Earbuds. Okay. Now, if you remember correctly, the CMF Watch is basically a white labeled alibaba watch because you could basically go on amazon and search smartwatch and it looked pretty much exactly the same and if you're really not up to date cmf is essentially the would you i'd call it the budget version or the budget company that nothing created yeah which is very funny because yeah nothing was kind of felt like the old budget one plus stuff which

one plus was the budget yeah android phone so here we are yeah here we are we're back three generations later essentially yeah um but what's very interesting and the reason I think this is so intriguing, the teaser photo of this is bright orange, very similar to like the rabbit teenage engineering orange and has a knob on it. Yeah, there's a knob. I don't know. It's at the corner of the device. I can't tell you which corner

because it's zoomed in a bit far. It also looks like it has kind of like a leather, that leather texture. Like a leatherette. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I'm intrigued. Yeah.

I mean. Some might say we like knobs here. We like knobs. Don't take that out of context. You're not going to play it? I don't have it on here. Wow. It wasn't voted on.

It wasn't voted on. Yeah. The tweet says, Introducing CMF Phone 1. Wonderful by design. by design leveraging nothing's innovation and meticulous attention to design it serves as a wonderful entry point for an entire product ecosystem as others overlook this category we're giving it our full attention coming soon so yeah i'm wondering what a budget phone by the company that makes extremely cheap

watches and earbuds is going to look like yeah price as well what the price will be what it'll look like how it will perform so this is always i i'm excited to see what this knob does because a really well-built knob is like fantastic like right it is this is going to be impossible i know i know i'm sorry uk fans this is a tough one but um this is my issue with like i don't want to initially call this a gimmick but when i think about like unique design choices especially hardware wise that we're seeing for the first time on budget phones is always like the all right you're already making sacrifices to performance for a budget phone now you're obviously're obviously manufacturing dollars on something that's not normal.

How much more performance sacrifices are we taking on that because we want to add a knob to a phone that's probably, what would you guess, $200 to $300? Probably around that, yeah. There are actually some other photos that they teased on Twitter. Did they? I missed that. So one of the photos is part of the phone with a little screw and then they also shipped a few people

little mini screwdrivers. I imagine it's going to be very easy to take apart. If it's a phone that has a replaceable battery, that would be epic. Awesome. Bringing it back. That would be one way to get around mediocre battery performance is the initial cost would still be what it is but if you could buy a

replacement battery that would be really cool and then could help that performance yeah i think they all use the same sort of like knob their design language is very consistent throughout. Which is very, I mean, all the buds and stuff look pretty cool. The neckband and the buds both have a wheel. This video, sorry for my volume.

The left side of it, I think is the phone and the right side of it is the buds because that looks like just a black version of the orange one that we saw. Yeah. But other than that, it still doesn't help us much more on what side it's on.

What would the knob do? I mean, maybe volume control? It would be cool if it was volume. Oh, I would love it. I'm so hyped on this. I'm just curious. Instead of a volume rocker, but let's take guesses on where we think this is

because top or bottom of the phone? Bottom. Bottom? Yeah, because then you bottom of the phone bottom bottom yeah because then you can put the phone upside down in your pocket and you can just like reach in and kind of like twiddle it with your thumb if i'm holding my phone though how am i accessing it's in your pocket that makes sense holding it normally it's either down here by my pinky on the bottom left side which feels really awkward to do yeah or i have to slide my thumb all the way down. I almost feel like top right would make the most sense with my thumb.

As a righty. Unfortunately, lefties, you're not going to have a fun time. Actually, no. Right finger would work also. I think the top. I will say I'm very excited about this, mostly because the nothing phone, for example,

was basically a totally normal phone that just had like lights and the software was a little bit different but seeing a normal-ish phone that has some interesting hardware quirks i think is more fun i love hardware quirks yes because that puts us back in the days of android where every single android phone that came out had like a weird hardware quirk and that was always very interesting. Now all phones are the same exact square boxes. So seeing a little bit different. Some of them fold.

Some fold. Yeah. But if this is like 300 bucks, that's going to be really cool. Yeah. As long as it performs well, which I kind of think it'll be fine. I bet for the majority of the people

looking in this price range, it will perform fine. And if you have a cool, unique Hard Work Work Plus, the orange color that CMF uses is fantastic. Wonderful. That could be awesome. The black also looks nice. It looks like it's a nice

matte texture. What are the chances this comes to the US though? Zero. But I'm sure we'll have a chance nice like matte texture so i think adding this comes to the u.s though uh zero yeah um but i'm sure we'll have a chance to test it out at some point um i do think the kind of faux leather while it's not my favorite yeah it's almost positive this won't be a glass back but if you're gonna do some sort of a cheaper plastic back adding a faux leather to it can make it feel way more premium for a far cheaper price. Yeah, it's a leatherette. That's something that they used to put on a lot of film cameras a lot.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think it looks nice, feels nice, and again, more premium, cheaper price. Right. I like it. So I should clarify, it's not necessarily coming out on July 8th. They just have a community update on July 8th

where they're going to talk about it. I still think Phone 1 is a terrible name for this, but you know. It's also funny because the tweet they have says Buds Pro 2 and Watch Pro 2 join Phone 1 in the new CMF. Why can't companies just line up all of their numbers? It's like, it has

to always be off. Yeah. Always. Anyway, that'll be fun and interesting. We got one more little thing. Yes, I wanted to talk about the new Beats Solo Buds. And when I asked you two about it, you had both seen that these were announced, but you hadn't seen what the kind of defining feature of it is. So I wanted to see what your guys' thoughts were on the pod.

So Beats just released their first pair of truly wireless earbuds that are under a hundred dollars they are 79.99 um they're they look just like beach truly wireless earbuds they're red the pack is very small and it is translucent and the earbuds themselves are opaque what they did differently and the sacrifice that they made is the buds themselves have 18 hours of battery life, but there is no battery inside of the case. So now you can't just put them in the case to charge. The case is just to hold them

and to connect the USB-C for it. To charge. To charge. But usually when we see earbuds with like 20 hours of battery life, it's like four to five hours of battery life in the earbuds themselves. And then you top them off in the case.

So this is changing it up by adding more battery life to the earbuds themselves, but you aren't gonna have the case that follows you around. And how long is the standard battery life? They said 18 hours. That sounds really dope. Considering most earbuds are around that

with the case battery, I like that a lot. Yeah. Because I'll be like on a plane and I'll have my earbuds in the entire time and I'll die. And then sometimes you have to be like, all right, well, now I'm going to take a nap and I'm taking the nap because I need my earbuds to charge for an hour.

Yeah. Well, at least you only have to put the buds in the case for like five minutes usually to have them charge like most of the way. But that's a very interesting idea. The the buds in the case for like five minutes usually to have them charged like most of the way but that's a very interesting idea the funny thing is the case um it is definitely a lot smaller than all the other beats cases it's still not necessarily smaller than other earbuds in general um but i don't know it's interesting i like i would love they would do both that'd be epic that would be 40 hours of battery life well they should offer a bigger version a bigger case yeah well there are some like anchor earbuds that will last a long

time i don't know about 40 hours but yeah pretty decently long time but if you have 18 hour battery life in the buds and then another 16 hours of charge inside of it that's wild you barely have to charge them like ever yeah but i think i think i would 100 sacrifice i would down to pay less money 80 bucks is a great price for this um i actually really like a lot of beats truly wireless earbuds i think the beats fit pro fit in my ears very well their case is way too big but that's because it also has the wing tips and I like the physical button on the outside. I don't, this doesn't look like it has a physical push button, probably a taps. It might. Like a tap pad on the side of it.

But these are way smaller and 80 bucks is awesome. And yeah, 18 hours of battery life. Sounds great. I haven't seen the Verge posted about it and they got sent a review unit. So they haven't got to do a full battery test yet. But if it's close to 18 hours. Yeah.'s pretty dope i think it was sweet cool all right well we'll have to test those when those come in yeah otherwise i have one more thing uh if you've been watching tech youtube for quite a while you're probably aware of john morrison or tld today

wonderful channel part of team crispyy with Marques. He recently posted a health update. He's been going through some things over the last couple of years and hasn't been able to post, which has been a shame because he made some of the best looking tech videos out there. Yeah, I used to watch all his videos. So much. He is one of the nicest people I've ever met. Super, super nice when i first started here and meeting him was awesome uh he's definitely going through a few things hopefully he will be making videos again soon because his last update seemed like he was on the right track to a lot of things but if you know him and you're wondering why he hasn't been making videos highly suggest going and watching that

most recent video and if he's out there listening hope you feel better. And can't wait to see more videos from you in the future, hopefully. Definitely. Yeah. Cool. Sweet. Trivia. Let's take it to trivia. Trivia, dude.

So, quick update on the score. Marquez, who's not here, with 11. David, with 10. Andrew, also with 11. This with 10. Andrew also with 11. This is your chance to get ahead if you can answer either of these questions about Marques. At least one of them's 50-50. I forget, do you ask Marques these questions?

No, not that you do. I didn't ask me what my last job was. It's too easy. All right, first question. Is Marques a mcmuffin person or an egg mcmuffin person at mcdonald's breakfast sandwich wow andrew's already done writing with the confidence a regular mcmuffin has canadian bacon right no idea i don't know i'm pretty sure i'm right about

i am not if ellis was here yeah he would. This was Ellis' question. He would definitely know. Well, that's why I'm confused a little bit by it. Because if there's an Egg McMuffin, does just the Egg McMuffin include Canadian bacon? Or is that only egg? I don't know. I wrote sausage. I did as well.

So you both wrote sausage. Yes. You both get the points. Let's go. Correct. I think I remember him mentioning this and saying something like the sausage McMuffin is the best breakfast thing at any fast food restaurant. Okay, the McMuffin itself at McDonald's is the best

because of the freshly cracked egg, which is what makes it so much better. Although a McGriddle fucks. I think he specifically mentioned the McMuffin, or maybe it was the McGriddle,s. I think he specifically mentioned the McMuffin, or maybe it was the McGriddle, I don't remember, as the best tournament food. Yes, he did say that.

Oh, right. Because it's like an insane amount of calories. It's like 1,600 calories. Holy moly. Maybe not that high, but it's one of the highest-caloried items on the McDonald's menu. That's crazy.

All right, next question. According to the New York Empire website, of which Marquez is a player of the team. That didn't make any sense. But on the website, what does it say his nickname is? This is a total guess based on what I think people might joke around with him. Okay. Like what you think inside jokes are or something?

Yeah, I don't know. I've played with very few of the players on the Empire. Okay. So I don't know what their sense of humor might be like giving Marquez a name. Interesting. If that is the nickname, I'm going to be so mad that I got it wrong. I can't see. So what did you say, David?

I wrote MKBHD. Wait, what? It's both right and wrong, but I'll give him the point. What did you write, Andrew? I wrote Hollywood. No. I'm assuming they're making fun of him for being a big shot. Like ribbing at him for being famous.

It's just MKB. Oh. Yeah. Oh. They dropped the HD. Nice. I don't know if anyone actually calls him that. It's just what it says on the website.

It says it on the website. It's just MKB. Drop the HD. It's cleaner. It says that his nickname is that? Or it just says like Marquez MKB. No. Nickname colon MKB.

Oh. Yeah. Interesting. So now we're all at 11. Yeah. We're all at 11. We're all tied up. I think you knowing players and knowing Marquez for so long

and playing with them backfired. No, I think I'm just an idiot and didn't think of literally the thing that his channel's been named about forever. Because Ultimate Frisbee loves to be like hey Marquez is bigger than Ultimate Frisbee as a whole let's use that to help us. That's why they call him Hollywood? No no no I don't think they call him Hollywood I just made that up.

Oh. Wait. I've never heard anyone call him Hollywood. Yeah. We're not all tied up? No you two have 12 now and Marquez has 11. Oh. No I have a Oh no. No? Oh yeah yeah no you're right. Yeah you're right. Yeah. We have 12. Marquez would have Oh no Yeah you're right We have 12 Marquez would have gotten those right

Marquez definitely would have gotten those right Do you know what my nickname was in Ultimate? Ultimate Wait A I feel like we've said it Does it have to do with your name?

No. So it has nothing to do with... Yeah, it semi has to do with my age, which is going to be really weird for you guys because you've always known me as one of the older people in the office. Oh, you thought you were young then? I got the name when I was younger. The nickname.

Buddy boy. Young manga. It's freshman. Oh. Because when I was a freshman at my college, I was one of the only ones. Got that nickname. That stuck with me through my entire life. So you were a senior being called freshman?

I used to say all the time that I was just a freshman in new things. So like I was a freshman in the workforce. I was a freshman on whatever team I was playing for or something like that. Beginner mentality. Yeah. Surprise. Marquez used to only call me freshman

because that was just what everybody on our team called me. That's so crazy. And then he started calling me Andrew when I started working and I was like, oh, I have a name.

That's my name. I have a name. That's me. He's talking to me. Give me a name. All right. All right. David, take us out. All right. Wait for it to be. Give me a name. All right. David, take us out.

All right. Wayforn is produced by Adam Molina. No, not that. Just a regular outro. Oh, sorry. You can do it too. Thanks for watching. Do it all.

Thanks for watching this episode of the Wayforn Podcast. We have been your hosts, David and Andrew. That's not how we usually do this, but I don't know if you know the way. Keep going. Don't stop. If you liked this video video make sure to like it and hit the subscribe button because we're legally obliged to do that because we're professional youtubers oh actually our laws that's true that's one of the laws that's one of the laws

i also actually forgot i want to make one quick amendment to last week's episode. Do it. That one's so good. When we were talking about the WWDC updates and how you can now, as of iOS 18, react with any emoji, I think I noted about how that's going to cause some of those tap-back complications. Turns out, you can actually react with any emoji on Google Messages. Whoops.

And Google Messages currently has a thing called Photo Emoji, which is basically the same thing as reacting with stickers, which Apple just added in iOS 18. Yeah, I still think Photo Emoji and stickers probably will be a little... They're going to be different. There is going to be a lot of compatibility issues. Well, because the way the sticker reactions

were different, whereas photo reactions on Google is where the emoji would be, whereas on the iPhone, you had it on iMessage, it was like there was the emoji react and it was tagged on the bottom. Yeah, the stickers get tagged on the bottom when you react with stickers. Oh yeah um also very interestingly i was looking into this a lot

because i was reading about this a lot yesterday and trying to like formulate some idea based on this and the genmoji they get i was talking to apple they get treated as stickers okay so when so if you send a Genmoji to somebody, they can save it as a sticker. The interesting thing is there is a new API that Apple is putting out for developers that allows Genmoji to be used in line with text, which is something that Emoji can do

because they are Unicode, which means they are text. So you've always been able to say like, I went to the store today, store emoji. I was really happy about it, smiley face. And it's just like this long string where you've never been able to put stickers in line with text.

So the weird thing about Genmoji is they exhibit features of both stickers and emoji. And I have this conspiracy theory that Apple is trying to sort of make the idea of a sticker and an emoji sort of the same idea in people's heads because they act the exact same way. That's going to be very confusing when you send someone a Genmoji

and it just ends up looking like a PNG when you send it to an Android user. I don't know. Anyway, I was wrong about the Google thing and I apologize. Whoops. That's it. Anyway, thanks for watching. Please like and subscribe.

We're going hungry over here. It's lunchtime. It's lunchtime. We'll catch you guys in the next episode when Marques will be back and I will not be because I will be in Wyoming. Oh, I did not know that. I didn't know that either will be in Wyoming. Oh. I did not know that. I didn't know that either. I did know that

but I didn't know that. Now you know. This is you just telling putting in for vacation live on a podcast. I need to be out next week. Anyway. You want to take us out?

Sure. Waveform was produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Roven. Actually Ellis has COVID so it wasn't. We were part of the Vox Media Podcast Network and our draft show music

was created by Vain Sill. Also, Ellis probably still did probably edit some part of this episode. Maybe. I don't know. Thanks, Ellis. He's sick as. That's just embarrassing. I can't believe you brought that back up. I sound so weird there.

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