Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Jaguar Cybertrucked Their Cars?

Episode Date: December 6, 2024

This week, Marques, Andrew, and David talk about Cyber Monday for a bit before getting into Spotify Wrapped and the new Jaguar concept car. After that, Andrew has an eBay-based game that was super fun and resulted in the best kind of chaos. Of course, we wrap it all up with some trivia! Enjoy. Links: Verge subscription: https://bit.ly/4in1Ozu Tesla Apple Watch app: https://bit.ly/3OFPzQO Bodanza Disc Golf YouTube channel: https://bit.ly/49qDTv9 gm_golf YouTube channel: https://bit.ly/4giezcM AntsCanada YouTube channel: https://bit.ly/4gmqrdP Epic Spaceman YouTube channel: https://bit.ly/4goqGVB Grip Locked podcast: https://bit.ly/4gg90w5 Music provided by Epidemic Sound  Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Socials: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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that I think that the mission behind this was to absolutely nothing the same as the previous cars. Not the font, not the size, not previous cars yeah not the font not the size not the shape not the angle yeah not a single thing can be the same as before yo what is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the

waveform podcast we're your hosts I'm Marques I'm Andrew I'm David this is this is back to your regularly scheduled programming, I would say, officially. It feels like longer because it's been even longer since we actually recorded. Since we physically did. Yeah, we ran it back with that throwback episode. I hope you guys enjoyed it.

I thought it was great sort of reviving it for the video pod. But now, well, a whole bunch of stuff has happened since we get to talk about it again. We have Spotify Raptus come out out so everyone's talking about that also the new jaguar concept ev is uh revealed we have our thoughts um how the verge is changing and we're gonna wrap it up with a game because we just can't get enough of games so all that's happening but first black friday and cyber monday did happen in between the last recording and now. Did either of you, did anybody in this room buy anything?

I actually did. Yeah, me too. I was, okay. Well, okay. Okay, go, go, go. I don't like, you know, a lot of the time, yeah. It's not fun to contribute to capitalism. And on top of that, at this point, most Black Friday deals are total bullshit.

Right. Yeah. The only thing that i posted on black friday was a reminder about the amazon price tracker just to keep an eye on so that's the one everyone keeps talking about there's one that i also found that had higher ratings and that seemed to have even more information um and it's basically just if something says 50 off you just you can just check a history and see if it was just 50% off a day ago before they raise it back to full price yeah raise

it back down again to say it's 50% off right that sort of thing yeah but what did you get so unfortunately I am once again going through an existential crisis over two products so I bought both of them nice sounds about right uh i am buying a finally a smart lock for my apartment currently i my apartment is weird because new york apartments are weird my apartment was built in the 1800s and so i have this special lock called the mortise lock it doesn't work with most smart locks right so they're all usually what you have to do with these is you basically have to get a special lock that just goes over the deadbolt like turner and it physically turns the deadbolt for you as well as in new york city you're not supposed to change the actual lock on the inside

of your door and so you don't even want to make it look like you have a smart lock on your door otherwise your landlord will get really angry at you so i originally bought the switchbot lock pro is this gonna get you in trouble talking about it on the podcast you think avid listener david's landlord listened away for him just checking i really hope not he's not brought it up but he does live underneath me in my basement okay so uh yeah so i got the switchbot lock pro then unfortunately, because I had searched about SwitchBot Lock Pro, I heard about this new lock from this existing company that basically does the same thing, but it's way faster,

and it runs over Matter over Thread. As a protocol guy, I wanted it more. It is like double the price, but yeah, the SwitchBot Lock Pro currently has to use a hub that has to plug into the wall kind of annoying as like a translator yeah oh okay yeah so i would rather just have something that works over matter so i bought both of them to sort of compare them um just to make sure it works because the the second one said it works on uk mortise locks but i don't know if

that's the same as mine anyway that's what i bought they were both cheaper i did check the price and it was like it was like 30 cheaper than it usually is a real discount a real discount hooray for a real discount hooray nice yes andrew you got something too about three things oh sort of oh flex on them one i only want to bring up because david and i had this conversation the other day and it's super related to his i was putting up christmas decorations after thanksgiving when it's legal um and i bought some new uh i've been using the smart outlets from may ross i think it is yeah they're super simple they're cheap so when i search for more to plug in some christmas lights so they can all just come on and off when i want them to so they can be on all the time for lane because she loves them i had the

option to pick two one with matter and one without matter and i picked the one without matter because it was cheaper this is a mistake do you want to be very upset with me i don't see these cheap outlets as something i'm worrying as much about future-proofing. Although the ones I have have lasted a very long time. But if you have to buy new ones, you could have just bought the matter ones. Yes. Well, the difference between the smart outlet

and the smart outlet with threads or matter support isn't as different as the lock where you have something in the wall versus nothing in the wall. Correct. So it's worth paying more to not have something in the wall maybe but i don't know if you'd get anything out of a smart outlet with threads versus not to me also i almost only buy it to set schedules on them so i'm never really interacting with it that much and turning it on and off it is really cool to be like hey g turn on christmas and all my like christmas lights come on in the

tree and everything so i guess thread would do that a big benefit of matter over thread is that it is much faster because it creates its own little local intranet and they all talk to each other christmas yeah because it doesn't have to go into the internet ping a server come back to you and then say turn on it can just like send the signal directly to the device, ping a server, come back to you, and then say turn on. It can just send the signal directly to the device. Which is a nice benefit, but from experience, the Miros one for me takes three quarters of a second to turn on.

But what if it could take one quarter of a second? That would be cool. I don't know if I'd pay more for it. It would be cool. Did either of you... Hold on, hold on. That was one out of three. Get out of here. Okay, second one is not really related, but still kind of related.

It wasn't a deal, but there's this, I'm going to talk about disc golf again. I'm sorry. There's a disc golf company where all the discs they make are recycled, and they did a week of like recycling interesting things to make discs, and they made one completely out of iPhone cases.

So I bought it. Oh, that's very cool. And i think it's really cool um there was only a few for sale because they were doing it more for like a video test but this is officially a disc from trash panda made out of iphone cases does it suffer from being made out of iphone cases or should they probably start making all of them out of iphone no it's probably not as good as some of the other discs but it is daily pretty it is yeah which is cool it's got flex like this was my way to incorporate disc golf into our office vaguely related but yeah but the big thing that i bought was an ipad mini whoa wow the newest look at that the a17 ipad mini it it was $100 off from Costco. Yeah. And I told myself if I could find any reasonable deal for the new iPad mini, whether that was like same price but included a pencil or like more than $20 off, I would pull the trigger.

And I did. It's been awesome. Can you tell the full story behind this iPad mini? I thought I ordered silver. And the purple is so minuscule that i still kind of thought i had silver but did think there was like you were like setting it up and i was like oh you got the purple one it's the truck that drives by that has uh purple inside and you can just sense it vaguely this is the la croix purple yeah um color uh purple in the factory but then yeah adam

was like no that's purple and i looked down and i ordered purple i guess i didn't realize the correct color it looks good the purple is the best color it's a good color but yeah i'm pumped i've downloaded so many google apps onto it which kind of doesn't make sense but funny part of the reason i got it is because like a bunch of my family has iphones and facetiming them with Lane will just be a little easier to do this at home. Plus, it's really nice just like when I'm sitting on the couch looking at hockey scores or Reddit or...

That's how they get you. Thank you. Suddenly you're going to be using the Apple Sports app. All of you have... That hurts terrible. So I'm not using that. It's gotten better. Yeah.

Okay. Great selling point. It does work on the iPhone mini now. That is correct. It does in fact work on the iPhone mini now. That is correct. It does in fact work on the iPhone mini. Everyone's told me I'm going to switch to an iPhone now. And I've been like, no, this is kind of like the reason that will make it so I will never switch to an iPhone. Because it's the couple little things that maybe in my house are a little.

I don't think this is nearly as much of a gateway device as the MacBook is. I just think Android tablets aren't fantastic tablets are pointless this is a mini it's not even like i really care traveling and watching some like netflix and stuff on this will be great yeah and sitting on my couch posting in hockey game day threads making fun of how bad the rangers are is gonna be way easier i called ipads the gateway drug to apple i think this is how they slowly get you and pull you in. Is this how they got you? Indeed. Oh. There's ways they can get you

through the iPad. You said FaceTime was one of those things and then maybe you're out and this one's cellular or Wi-Fi? Wi-Fi. So it's Wi-Fi only but like what if you're on the go and wanted to FaceTime? I have never wanted to FaceTime on the go. I can very sternly say that. But you're going to start FaceTiming more. Do any of you guys FaceTime on the go. I can very sternly say that.

But you're going to start FaceTiming more. Do any of you guys FaceTime in the grocery store? I don't get that. Oh, no, no, no. I think a lot of the Zoomers will just FaceTime in public. I think a lot of the Boomers also. And the Boomers. Okay, I have this theory that Boomers and Zoomers,

neither of them know how to use technology or know how to do critical thinking but only this at david the millennials this has your theory has two theories yes they're all wrong or us as millennials are the wrong ones and everyone everyone else was wrong it is one o'clock somewhere so live the generation that systematically gave way every ounce of their data knows how to use technology way to go great point it was back with the company for friendly google's motto was don't be evil how was i supposed to know they were going to be evil there's no way of knowing surprised their face got eaten by leopards by the person who voted

for the party i have two things to say one i almost did buy the 10-inch iPad because it was also on sale because... The Air or the iPad? The cheapest. The iPad. The $420 one or whatever. Yeah. Because whenever I'm in the coffee shop, I often want to use three screens, and I can split Arc in two, but I always want a third one. Like if I'm,

if I'm, I've been coding my website recently. Um, and I, I need a version of it that is on the page that I can refresh the version of it that has like the code in it. And then another window open for like researching stuff. But then I was told by a friend,

you should just use the three finger swipe gesture on the Mac spaces. I literally have never used that before. Game changer. And I'm now realizing I should start using that. Spaces is great. Yeah. Yeah.

Apple's going to get rid of that because it just realized it lost him. I've had sale from it. It'll save you a lot of money on buying. Yeah. Yeah. Spaces. I use spaces a lot. Yeah.

And then my last thing to say, just quickly because i mentioned the switchbot pro the other lock i am going to test is the akara smart lock u200 so if you have uh experience with these locks i would love to know which one that you like better for renting yeah i just think that's a very yeah i mean these are both specifically made basically for renters but for people who are going to replace the bolt yeah so hit them up on blue sky hit me up on blue sky yeah at davidmell.com so you got you got the ipad you got the disc and you got what was the first thing um non-matter smart outlets exactly okay okay that's all deeply you said nothing right i didn't actually buy anything um did did any did

anybody over on that side buy anything for black friday i bought two things one of them was new joy cons because my switch joy con was broken are they evergreen they were not everyone else is buying things i need to do something and then on top of that i also got an iphone iPhone this season. Tis the season. Tis the season. For those that don't know, I've known Adam for a very long time. And him and I used to cover phones at Android Authority.

And he would come with me sometimes and help me film. And every single time we'd go to a briefing, he'd be like, I'm buying this phone. I'm like, Adam, you need to stop. I have a problem. I just flip phones into other phones so that's what I did what number phone is that this year three that's it yeah I thought you were higher no I'm on three I think he had more last year maybe I'm also on three daily drivers this year that I bought with my own money and used yeah

so that's I mean in total I've spent zero so i consider that a plus you spent zero on this new iphone yeah oh that's huge not yet i'm gonna flip my z fold six which will cover the price so what what did you sell to get the z fold six the z fold six i had my mom's old iphone and then my s24 ultra oh yeah which i also flipped this feels like there is money being spent in there definitely is tech bro math this is bro math if anyone is doing the math and trying to figure out i'll just say my three daily drivers that i spent money on that wasn't a review unit that i use personally in between review units this year were the pixel 8 pro which i got last year and used up to the beginning of this year the samsung galaxy s 24, which I used for a very long time this year, and then the Pixel

9 Pro XL, which I've used since it came out from the S24 Ultra. Those are the three phones that I bought with my own money that weren't review units. Now we have multiple of them in the office, but those are the ones I spent my money on. I did buy one thing. I just forgot about it. What did you buy? I bought a one-year update plan for a software package called Resolume Arena. Nice.

Nice. Do we use? No, we don't. We did use it on the Trivia Extravaganza last week. Shout out to them then. Yeah. Because the Trivia Extravaganza was incredible. Yeah.

If you haven't watched that already, you're missing out. Just watch the first three minutes. Spoiler. I won. Really big spoiler. Oh yeah, we got the beginning of a new season this episode.

It's 0-0-0 across the board right now. That's huge for me. That's huge for me. That's huge for me. Okay. What else? Okay, so that was great. Cyber Monday was a thing that happened. I got 800 emails during those days.

Yeah. One of those emails was that The Verge was announcing a new subscription service. We wrote service, but it's more of like a tier. Subscription tier. Yeah, that's a good way of paying. They're kind of like splitting it up now. Sort of how, how do you break this down?

Cause I, they, it just have, they used to just have a free blog that everyone could read mostly as ad supported, but they had a paid newsletter. They have a couple of newsletters. Yeah. So what is happening now? Yeah. So in prior years, a few of their reporters had different newsletters based on different things so alex heath had a newsletter called command line which is sort of about social media companies has has yes sure that was a paid newsletter paid newsletter yeah tom warren has one called notepad that's about microsoft and xbox and that kind of stuff um now they are doing something where they are introducing something called a dynamic paywall so it's not a traditional paywall like the Wall Street Journal or the New York Times where you basically can't read anything.

It's basically like you can read most articles, but certain articles will be behind the paywall. And then also, if they notice that you are using the website like a lot, a lot, they'll start asking you to pay. There are still a few things that are going to be free forever so they're basically asking hardcore people who use the site every day to chip in some money kind of like wikipedia yeah but wikipedia doesn't force you to oh they're gonna force you to sort of yeah after a certain amount of articles per month if you're like a verge power user because i thought you'll get they're gonna of articles per month. If you're like a Verge Power user, you'll get paid well. So if they pick up that you're a heavy user,

they will start restricting because you've read a lot of free things. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I think it's really important to put in here before we talk about how much they're charging and everything is the reason of this

and it's the reason we've talked about a billion times on this podcast is the more with AI and ai search stuff and like ai overviews that are pulling from content without pushing to the content to get them paid companies and like websites like this are going to start losing money so this is a way they're combating that by having subscriptions i mean it's not new to have a subscription on a website with journalists that's everywhere right now. And I'm sure a lot of us are subscribed to some sort of news organization or something

at some point because it's getting so much harder for journalists to be able to put in a lot of time. For sure. I mean, that's definitely part of the reason. Another reason is that SEO has just completely ruined the internet. If you don't know what that is, it's search engine optimization. When you are writing an article, if you want want to appear in google you have to use certain keywords if you have noticed that a lot of the url slugs that you uh look at on the website that you're on

have just like random keywords in the slug extra words it's because they have seo specialists that help articles rank on google those are always funny when you like copy and paste something and don't see the whole url and then like your text message just has like 50 words. Yeah. But the annoying thing about this is that it incentivizes writing about specific things, using specific keywords to like frame things in a specific way just so that Google says it's authoritative and whatever. And it kind of like homogenizes the internet and that sucks. It also doesn't guarantee a good result when you get it so like somebody who has all the perfect seo tactics for titles and bylines and quick stuff like that and then you click into it and it's like a gallery yeah and like garbage

yeah like they're winning because google likes them more exactly but it's not necessarily bringing you the content you're actually yeah or information so if you subscribe yeah it also gives you access to full text rss feeds as well as a physical copy of their magazine about how seo ruined the internet which is a very physical physical copy sure yeah so for the people that want like physical goods that's really fun yeah um yeah i think overall this is a this is a very good value i think that the verge in general has done a really fantastic job over the years at making a website that people still go to because over the last 10 years or so social media sites have just become aggregators of news and information and it's not very common anymore to actually go to a physical website to read an article and so i personally go

to the verge like every single day i think that they said that they had a lot of they had a lot of people that go to the website every day i think it's like they're one of half a million yeah like unique users or something half a million something like that yeah and they so they've done a really good job evolving over the years already and i think that this dynamic paywall is a very good in between option because if they completely paywalled the site they're stopping themselves from growing and just hoping that they get enough people that pay enough but they're still limiting their reader base sorry yeah 55 000 every single day this year right that is extremely different numbers though those are vastly different i mean i've been i've

been in like deep in the forest where i didn't have data for multiple days this year. So I'm not one of those people, even though I consider myself like a superpower user of this website. So- I know you're reading The Verge on that 13 mile hike. Yeah. It is actually kind of one of my ticks though.

Like if you're bored in the doctor's office or something, like the few things that you do on your phone. Verge it up. Refreshing The Verge is one of my things that I do.'s pretty funny yeah we didn't mention the price yes so 50 bucks a year it's 50 bucks a year we have some experience at that price point um very different things seven bucks a month though fifty dollars a year yeah i'll probably pay i'll bite um so this reminds me of panels a lot of things remind me of panels obviously because I help run panels but the the two things that reminds me most of are

you're gonna get a reaction when you make something paid that was previously free totally get that and it's just about whether or not you can justify the value to the people that actually care about that thing so for us it was like we can justify the value to the people that actually care about that thing. So for us, it was like we have this small pocket of the internet that we see likes art and will pay for art. So here's the product we made for them. And for them, here is a probably much larger but a pocket of the internet that will see value in paid journalism and pay for it. You will get reactions of people who are like, a paywall? I'm not reading anymore like that's going

to be a thing and i totally get that but i do think they've sort of structured it in a way where they can appropriately find the people willing by what you were saying that dynamic paywall people who read a lot people who are on the site a lot and sort of bring them to the way to support them that helps them make more good stuff i do really like this dynamic paywall idea because there's times where like i hit a bloomberg because there's like one specific article that i really and like yeah paying for that at that point is like i don't know if i'm going to come back here again anytime soon so this is like and the verge is probably one that i would get hit with the dynamic paywall so like i will most likely be paying for the verge it really that's it's like a behavior thing like if

i read like i don't, here's pure honesty. I don't read Bloomberg very much, but when Mark Gurman tweets a link to the thing that he wrote on Bloomberg, I'm clicking in and reading Bloomberg that day. And if that thing is behind a paywall, my first thought is always, I could pay for this one article, but I don't think I'm going to read Bloomberg that much. So nevermind. Now I happen to have an Apple news subscription that unlocks it. So that's not a dilemma I face very often, but I feel like a lot of people leave that article at that moment. And so the more things that you can have available for free,

they probably thought a lot about this, the more people will trust and read The Verge and become power users of The Verge, and that's going to be good for them. So the other thing that you mentioned, which is like the SEO sort of shaping the actual content and the websites. I think about that a lot because YouTube is the same way people try to figure out what the algorithm is rewarding and they tailor their content around that. And it kind of seems like no one is immune to that. And I wonder if there are YouTube channels that can just make whatever they think is best and ideally the algorithm serves it. And if there are similarly websites that don't think as it is less incentivized by having a monthly revenue stream so that they don't have to think about that. will i take like what is maybe a best practice and where i'll incorporate that in but i'm not

going to lose my initial morals of what we want to want to do here so that's probably the best way of doing it and this is gonna i mean this is gonna help them i do think they need like they probably need to do this because if a bunch of the articles they write if you are just asking a specific tech question google's probably gonna ai summer it probably straight from the verge and they're gonna lose that viewer every single day and you'll break your device so yeah i mean i think this is awesome i'm interested to see how dynamic works i'm interested to see how many days until dynamic pricing hits me and then i will start paying for the verge another cool thing is if you were already subscribed to one of the newsletters, those

were $70 a year. So the day before this dropped, a lot of people got emails that were like, we refunded you $20 from your newsletter subscription. They were like, wait, what's happening? And so they actually got money back and got more stuff. That's cool. Which is very cool for those of the power, power users, power, power users. Yes.

So yeah, I don't know. I think it's, um, they've been changing really rapidly like every year as the internet changes and I'm rooting for them. I hope that this works. So, yeah. All right, well, hey, there's one more thing that just came out this week

as we're recording this. Spotify Wrapped is officially out. And it was funny because every year everybody looks forward to Spotify Wrapped and then it comes out and everyone goes, look at my thing, look at how many minutes I listened and it's all super fun and every year I think

I kind of want to know that about more than Spotify I want to know that about my YouTube watch history I want to know that about my life I want to know all the stats don't you want to know all the stats what grocery store do you go to the most what if your car told you how many minutes you were driving

it probably could your car probably you how many minutes you were driving? It probably could. Your car probably could. Definitely could. So I kind of thought about that. And I think YouTube Rewind, as it disappeared, had a perfect branding opportunity to bring it back. Show me how many channels I watched, which ones I watched the most,

how many scrolls, how far did my finger travel on my phone to scroll through shorts this year? TikTok had that. It was like, you could have made it halfway to the moon. That would be awesome. And then I could flex how far I could scroll. It would be great. But they didn't do that.

But what somebody mentioned that was really interesting is there is like no switching off of YouTube. Like someone said, oh, what is Vimeo going to do? Watched. And then people use Vimeo. It's like, no, people just watch YouTube no matter what. But Spotify, I saw people say that they continue to use Spotify because Wrapped is so good.

And I think that's real. That's crazy. And they're like, I don't want to ruin my Wrapped if I leave halfway through the year and start using something else. So it is, I found that interesting as well, that it's a competitive advantage for them. Apple Music does it now, right?

Yeah. It's a very similar thing. I believe they do something extremely similar. They do, but it's not even nearly as detailed as spotify spotify has so many features and wrapped especially this year they added a bunch of new stuff our podcast app pocketcast kind of does a version they can't call it wrapped but they do something else that's kind of similar yeah i want that for everything basically yeah so yeah youtube would be perfect we talk about this every single year but it would be so perfect i don't know why they haven't brought it but they literally could keep the youtube

rewind branding too it's so neil come on come on man neil come on man i feel obligated to tell you for us specifically it wouldn't be as interesting as you think because this morning i downloaded all of my youtube history and put it in someone made this app like just on the website if you google it like youtube rewind whatever you put in the json file and it tells you what channels you watch the most what videos you watch the most and it's all things that i was researching for work like it's i would still look that's really interesting marquez mkbhd sure it's funny because i'm looking for B-roll. As a creator, it gives you viewership wrapped. They give you like, here's how many likes your videos got this year.

Here's how many things. You know, they'll tell you some stuff, which is kind of cool. But yeah, I want that for everything. Yeah. So they did add a lot of new features to wrapped this year. They really did. So we can go through some of them. This year, they actually teamed up with google and if you remember notebook lm which launched a few months ago that's basically

where you can put some documents into this gemini thing and they have these uh ai podcast hosts that basically talk about your files to you and like teach you things or whatever i don't know why youtube music didn't use this because that seems like it would have been a better collab but okay and so now you can have these two podcast hosts basically just talk for five minutes about the music you listened to in your year i did not do it you listened to it yeah it was pretty cringy but here i'll play i was gonna say wait can we just play mine for a second? Because I didn't use it. Yeah, like it really gives the classic.

Does it play music or it just talks? No, it just talks. Okay, so we won't get copyright struck. We won't get copyright struck. Oh, something went wrong. Please try again later. Also, AI content cannot be copyrighted anyway. I'm in airplane mode, that's why.

Oh, am I not still on the Wi-Fi though? No, I turn on airplane mode to not have it interfere with the mic. Okay. Wrapped. Your Wrapped AI podcast. Okay. Let's unwrap this. It's time for your 2024 Spotify Wrapped.

And we're your hosts. Visiting from Google's notebook LM. We're here to take you on a musical journey through your year. Yeah, your year in sound And what a journey it has been 37,116 minutes listening to music Wow, that's like listening to your entire Wrapped playlist non-stop for over six days

That is amazing That puts you in the top 8% of Spotify listeners globally You are dedicated Very dedicated You must really love music June 20th must have been quite a period globally you are dedicated very dedicated you must really love music that is just like but it's so much worse than i thought it was gonna be it gets into personal things it's like june 20th was your most listened day 300 minutes were you road tripping that day and most people

go back on their calendar like wow i was and it's like you you learn something about your music listening history and it's kind of cool that it sounds like people talking about i thought that was terrible i think people are gonna be into it yeah i don't think it felt like a real conversation at all i don't i think it felt close enough that people would enjoy it because it sounds like it's a podcast about them yeah it's just good enough to be there and they're not gonna share it they're not gonna you know post it anywhere but they'll listen to it and be like oh yeah that's cool people like personalized things yeah and yeah uh so they also added this new playlist that you can listen to they have a music evolution playlist that basically brings you through your music tastes as the year progressed so you're like your top songs per

month and then they have like your overall top songs as well uh and then they release some global stats which are not at all surprising and extremely boring that the most streamed artist was taylor swift and then the weekend and then bad bunny and then drake and then billy eilish does the weekend still make yeah am i that bad did he release a new album i haven't heard of from the weekend adam and i literally had the same conversation. Oh, did you? Okay. I thought you were making fun of me when you started laughing. I haven't heard of him since the Super Bowl. Because he was saying how good the album was

and I was like, he has a new album? Sorry, The Weeknd. It's not new anymore. I have nothing against The Weeknd. I just haven't seen him since the Super Bowl. I just forget about the first half of the year at this point. It might have come out a while ago and I just don't remember. Cue the gif of him looking through things and it's andrew looking for the weekend album uh also the most string song was espresso uh which by the way there is a great today

explained episode about how this was basically manufactured so espresso how it's the most played song yeah because it basically was auto playing after like anything you would play for a long period of time and they were basically like yeah the music group paid to have that happen uh i think i've heard that song what you cannot go you've definitely heard that song we've played it in the office i'm pretty sure it's a it's a great song i've probably heard it it's a good um most streamed album is taylor swift's tortured poets Department is the name of the album? Yeah, it is. I'm not a Swiftie, so this is news to me.

Cool. And the top podcast was the Joe Rogan Experience. I guess that would be fair for Spotify to declare that, wouldn't it? Yeah, but I did some research. I actually did some independent research into that, and I found out that they were fudging the numbers, and it's actually

Waveform. Oh! Oh, because Waveform I've heard of. Yeah. into that and i found out that they were fudging the numbers and it's actually waveform oh oh because waveform i've heard of yeah yeah right and if you haven't heard of it then it doesn't exist and they just had their big trivia extravaganza and they just did this like huge rerun that everyone was listening to obviously that checks out i will say a lot of people um tweeted at us and were like the spotify rap thing is unfair because i watch the youtube podcast every single week yeah that's true but it's not on my spotify yeah thing is unfair because i watch the youtube podcast every single week yeah that's true but it's not on my spotify yeah interesting if you do listen on spotify and haven't watched spotify wrapped i think there's a special little treat if we're your number one

true you don't even have to be the number one because you can go through all the low but i saw that and i so i don't listen to podcasts much on Spotify, but that was for artists. Is there a podcast one where you can search through all your podcast things? Good question. Yeah, there is. So there might not be. There is.

And you have to be in the top X percent of that artist's listeners, I believe. And then you might see something special. Well, I had Sugar Ray on there, so. So did I. Told you millennials are peak. We give you our data and we listen to Sugar Rain it's a good time

alright this is your opportunity if you had a YouTube wrapped what do you think would be in it whether it's a channel let's just do most watched channel for 2025 single channel single channel that you think you watched the most of 2025? 2024 thank you

that's why we ain't running it my daily show i'm gonna go first i feel bad about but yeah i think my most watched channel of 2024 is a channel called ants canada i've heard of that actually that's canada is this guy who doesn't live in canada six and a half million has like this giant rainforest vivarium that's like almost self-sustaining he has to like add stuff

every now and then and the only reason it's my most watched channel is because he puts out a 40 minute video multiple times a week that i watch all of every single time. This dude is like the master of taking something I could not possibly care about, which is bugs and making me just like care so deeply about his bugs. Every one of his thumbnails is the exact same.

He's crazy. He he is so algorithmically cranked and just be a retention-maxing psychopath. A war broke out in my giant rainforest vivarium. But if you want to watch some sick, sick content, there's a crocodile in there. Wow. I know. It's a crazy vivarium. Anyway.

I found mine. Thank you, Ants Canada, for making my year. His video called My Fire Ants Are Planning an Escape has 46 million views. Dude. It is a 15-minute video. Dude, you gotta... Everyone should go watch Ants Canada. Good for him.

It's sick. What? The next most viewed video is I gave fire ants a chicken head. And it's a dead chicken with fire ants a chicken head, and it's a dead chicken with fire ants eating it. Jesus. Cockroach giving birth while being devoured by fire ants, 15 million.

Look, it's lit. It's lit. I don't know what to tell you guys. I think we should... It's fire. Alright, who's next? Adam? Unhinged. I had one very recently that you put me onto it was epic spaceman oh i just he already turned into your most watched that was like two weeks ago there's like 10 videos i watched them all like twice yeah they're all right i was just

sitting in bed next next next favorite one i think my favorite one was i forget which video it was but the analogy he used was the solar system on your fingertips it's like that is the scale compared to the continental united states it was like it was crazy yeah scale of the universe videos are that's a genre that i definitely watch a lot of I would say that's a good one I think though mine actually I watched a lot of YouTube golf this year There's just a lot of good stuff happening and the thing about YouTube golf is there's a lot of collapse And there's a lot of really long videos because around golf takes a long time and they just watch they just film the whole thing so like good good golf will do a Match play event or something, a 2v2,

and it'll be an hour and a half video, and I'll watch it, and I'll be eating, and I'll finish what I'm eating, and I'll just watch the rest of it. It's just two hours right there. So I'd say, yeah, YouTube Golf in general, one of those channels, whether it's Grant or GM Golf or something like that, they were killing it this year. Mine's also golf. Disc golf. It's like all I watch on YouTube at this point. something like that they were killing it this year yeah mine's also golf disc golf

it's like all i watch it's also long videos probably they're pretty long they're a little more cut down like 25 minutes maybe i think the only reason badanza disc golf is probably the most because he just posted so much and like every single day i could basically watch some but yeah if you like disc golf you probably know who he is already though. So it doesn't really matter. Yeah. How about you? I unfortunately just drown myself in political commentary in the evenings and don't really

watch a lot of. Did something happen this year? Regular YouTube. Uh, no, no. Oh, okay. But, um, yeah, that's kind of it. I don't know. There's a, like, there's probably a few new channels that i've found this year yeah i just went through my youtube subscription tab and just like

can you sort by recently subscribed that i don't think you can do but you can go to the list of subscriptions and i think it's in recency order i might be wrong about that but uh i thought listen when you did it it's most recent new video oh no yeah it's new activity not most recently subscribed gotcha yeah some good stuff okay we we have talked a lot without taking a break we should take a quick break when we come back we have obviously a game to play and some other news to cover but this begins a new season of waveform trivia zero zero welcome back to another season of waveform trivia you don't know which season

we really don't a new season we lost track so long ago but uh we've got some piping hot questions. The first of which is, so we were talking about Cyber Monday earlier. We all love Cyber Monday. What was the first year where the Monday after Thanksgiving was referred to as Cyber Monday? And we're doing Price is Right rules. Closest without going over,

over being later chronologically. Okay. 1855. 1855. Yeah. Who's president? It doesn't matter. Is that right?

No, no. Minus one point for Marcus. We all have zero. Herbert Hoover. And we'll think about it I love the idea of the term Cyber Monday predating the invention of the computer that would be awesome

that would be sick the internet came after it refers to the mahogany wood of the cyber tree now we will think about that that's a good one and answers will be at the end, like usual. We'll be right back.

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You remember like two or three episodes ago when we reacted to that ad that they came out with? I actually think we had some pretty interesting nuanced thoughts about like what Jaguar could be up to. Anyway, they've announced and unveiled now a concept car to go with this new rebranding effort that they're going through and how do i say this it's gotten some reactions because it's very unique looking i think red flag immediately is announcing that we're first going to see a new car at miami art week

there was never going to be anything good coming out of announcing something at art week i don't even know what miami art week is but there's so many different cars shows and like events yes however most if not all luxury car brands have stopped exhibiting at those worldwide anyway um like like aston bentley like they all only exhibit new cars at like yacht shows now because they know that's where people who would spend the money on that like okay yeah so it does fit into an industry practice also i was going to say can we start calling it the cyber jag yeah it doesn't yeah can we should we describe this car for audio listeners yeah so okay first of all first of all first of all first of all it's a concept car this This is not a real car that has a price tag or any specs or anything like that. This is a concept car. So

it's a design that Jaguar is unveiling to associate with their new rebranding image. That's number one. So this isn't a real car, but it's called the Type 00. And this concept has no door handles, no rear view mirrors, all the classic not real car stuff. However, they could ship a car that looks similar to the silhouette which I would describe as a cyber loafer so let's get into it it's I think Rocket League car Rocket League car is good it's kind of a hot wheel sort of big wheels long hood low sloping roof line two doors extremely long front really really looks like a tow of looks like a tow.

It looks like a Cybertruck and a Lincoln had a child. Yeah. And it was pink. And it was pink. Yeah, so they've had this flagship pink version. There's a couple other colors that they've shown in renders, but the pink one is the one that we have footage of. Miles got some good footage of it for autofocus. And it is a fully electric car.

That's the other thing. So no tailp tail pipes it'll have a battery down there and this is part of jaguar's huge again they're rebranding as a company but they're also sort of rebooting as a car company and are just making evs now or are they planned to so here's what they said they said type 00 is the name references both zero emissions and its position as the first in a new lineage so are we assuming lineage is the name references both zero emissions and its position as the first in a new lineage so are we assuming lineage is the complete path or this is just a new tree branch that's falling tbd so like this is the first new thing in a while and does that mean they are stopping making their other cars probably not but i anticipate they will make more electric stuff after this. This is just the first one, the flagship one, the concept one to start it off. The interior looks like a lot of those CES concepts.

The most CES-ass thing I've ever seen. I don't think I see any armrests or door handles or pedals, but there is a steering wheel and there is two seats and a bunch of modern materials and sleek lines and LEDs and screens. the last time i saw an interior like this was a at ces it was like the bmw what was that like kind of small hatchback car we filmed oh the not the eq xx no it was like a i mean probably like 2020 when we went or 2019 and the interior looked like this and you sat in the back and i filmed you and you're like okay let's get the other side and they're like don't scoot across

the middle is a piece of cardboard yeah it was like it was yes and so this there's this thing that a lot of car companies do where they will build on one hand a functional prototype of a car and on the other hand they will build a a design finished version of the car and then they will sort of meet in the middle after some years of development. So if they want to show people what the car will look like, they will build a non-functioning but aesthetically accurate version of the car,

and they'll show that off at the car shows and Fashion Week or whatever. And you can even open the door and sit in it, but it doesn't drive. And please don't sit in the middle. And don't pull the steering wheel too hard because this thing is glued together. And then they have a functional prototype, which okay we have the battery we have the stuff and it's just not it doesn't look like the car is supposed to look that's kind of

how this works wasn't there a hummer ev we got way before production where they're like this version you have to park it in the shade because like the steering wheel might melt or something yeah like the paint i think it was i think it was like the glue that was holding on some of the like um yeah yeah we've i've i've done videos about cars in various parts of the stage i remember back in the faraday future days i got to do one video with both it had they showed me the the driving prototype separately from the aesthetic prototype and i got to see okay now imagine if they were the same car that's kind of how it goes um this one is just yeah jaguar's aesthetic concept some people kind of like it i don't know if it has the strongest sentiment score right now

but it's out there it's different it's definitely different i think that's what they're going for i think it's easy to go different in a concept car is like, let's get everyone talking about us. And now like, it's probably going to look way less pink. Yeah, or like standing out from a crowd. I don't know how to say, like purposely. It is a head turner. It's a head turner for sure.

Like, what is that? And then when I turn my head back, I would be laughing. It's interesting because that's, so I wonder about this. The Cybertruck kind of went through the same thing. Online was one reaction and in-person was a totally different reaction. True. And I'm reading all the online reactions and it's very slanted in one direction. But I think if you drove this thing into a ShopRite parking lot right now, people walk over and be like, ooh, what is this?

This looks cool. Tell me about this. How much is it? Like, I think this would get that so i don't know it's it's gonna have to have a price tag eventually like they're gonna have to sell a real car someday but yeah also i have a theory about this whole thing okay i think jaguar when they started to make their uh their rebrand this whole thing they've been frustratingly not changing their target demographic for so long that I think that the mission behind this was do absolutely nothing the same as the previous cars. Yeah.

Not the font, not the size, not the shape, not the angle. Yeah. Not a single thing can be the same as before. Yeah. I think that was the mission.

Because the old brand doesn't really tell you, tell young people anything like young people have no perception of what the jaguar brand meant to them at all so because of that they're like well the young people know the name jaguar they know it's a car brand but they don't have any association with what that means so they're able to like leverage the existing brand i brand name but they can give it a completely new identity and not really ruin anything that's fair yeah I'm trying to see if there's any other specs because there was an event and there was a CEO on stage and I think they said something about a thousand horsepower so I just want to find it why is the hood so big

for the vibes I don't know I mean there are that... That would be like a huge frunk. It'd be a coffin frunk. It'd be like a hot tub frunk. That would be sick. Okay, so there is a little bit of spec talk for this concept car. The Grand Tourer will have a WLTP range

of 478 miles. That seems like a lot and probably will not happen that's because it's wltp it's wltp but it's also probably not going to happen but hey we will see uh there's no word on the battery capacity required to achieve this there's uh but a charging speed of 200 miles added in 15 minutes with the right charger is another one of the promises okay it will be at least 125 000 ish dollars which is about double the price of the average jaguar transaction but again this is all new um and is there a date okay i'm looking for a date i thought

last time we read this it said end of 2026 okay i remember the date we were saying was quite a ways out from yeah jaguar said it would end production of all internal combustion cars by early 2026. No. No. Sorry, no, no. This year. Oh, I don't remember. Dang.

Wait, sorry. I'm reading this too fast. The on sale date of the new Jaguar has been delayed by a year. And having said it would end production of all internal combustion engine cars this year, they said it this year but not by this year, that this car will come out sometime after that. Interesting. That was a lot of ways of saying we have

no idea what this car is coming out. Yeah, you know, it's a concept car so I think I take all these things a little bit more lightly but at least we have an aesthetic now. It's different. It is different. I don't think it looks horrible. They could finish rendering it. It might look sweet.

Yeah, it did two passes. It did some huge doors. It did about 8,000 more passes. It has like a Rolls Royce type of characteristic going on. I think it's like the Spectre. Remember the Spectre? It has a little bit of that too. I don't hate it.

I'll say that. We shall see. In other car news, people have been begging Tesla to make an Apple Watch version of their app for literally a zillion years. Serious question. Have they? Yes.

Okay. Moving on. I have been. It makes sense. Yeah. And it's like, yeah, it very much makes sense. So last week, this is probably related. Actually, it's definitely related. Last week, Tesla pulled a Reddit and started charging a bunch of money for their API, which

basically forced a bunch of third-party Tesla apps to shut down, of which I did not even know that there were third-party Tesla apps, but down of which I didn't yet not even know that there were third-party Tesla apps but there apparently were and they were very popular there were a few one of the most popular ones uh the person that is developing it stated it would cause cost them one million dollars a year to keep running it so yeah they basically Sherlocked it because with this holiday update that they do every year they released an apple watch version of the app you can have phone key access which means you can walk up to it and unlock give you charge stats you can pop the frunk remotely warm the car you can view dash cam and sentry mode recordings from your phone and save them quickly remotely which is pretty huge

you can also now set an arrival energy which lets you tell the car how much power you want to have when you arrive so that it dynamically changes how long you should charge at the superchargers, which is useful. I drove to Pennsylvania this weekend, and I got there extremely cold, extremely middle of the woods with 10% charge remaining on my car, and I was fairly nervous. Luckily, I was able to plug in my car to the house again it still only added like 13 but if i hadn't been able to do that

that would have been scary so that would have been useful uh and then there's some other improvements so yeah at least there's an apple watch out now those all sound great it's funny that you say they pulled a reddit because reddit pulled a twitter and we've just gone full circle at this point good point everything's copying x that's crazy yeah yeah yeah uh mercedes also released an apple watch app this week so which is nice seems like everyone's getting on it subaru 2 well they already had one right no for apple watch no for Apple Watch. No, they're not. Their phone app sucks. Yeah. There's no way.

And they don't have key, phone key entry that I know of. They don't. Not in the app. Not a lot of cars do. I don't think so. There's only a few that do. Like the Polestar did, which is nice. Oh, just a few do it and it's convenient. The watch key, that's very convenient.

Yeah. You're just wearing a watch. You walk up to the car and you're still. Rivian should do that because they have that bracelet, which kind of wants to do the same thing, but I don't want to wear an extra bracelet. Like if it's just on my watch, it would be sweet if they did it for Garmin.

Also Rivian coming from someone who doesn't own a Rivian. But if you're not driving your Rivian, how else will people know you have a Rivian? If you're not wearing the special bracelet. That's true. It's fair. You just have a Patagonia jacket on. A neck tattoo.

Yeah, that's true. Patagonia fleece vest. You exclaim, I'm from Colorado, anywhere you go. I saw two Rivian R1Ts driven by people who did not know each other like next to each other at a red light when I was in Detroit. How do you know they didn't know each other? Because they turned on to the red light

from separate directions. And I was like... They might have known each other. Yeah, you can't know that. In Detroit? Those two people are listening right now and they're like, that was my brother. That would have to be like a coordinated meet up. That'd be sick. This was during when was this this was during thanksgiving right both live in the same town going to the other a different family member's house definitely no because

this was in downtown detroit no one lives there i don't know enough about detroit to continue this story i just want you to be wrong. Detroit is cold this time of year. I think an all-wheel drive EV makes sense in Detroit. It was cold and having four-wheel drive electric torque grip, boy, it doesn't.

That's crazy. The other thing about being in Detroit, because last time I was there, I was close enough to GM's HQ, that you would just see tons of random new GM vehicles and kind of wonder if these people all are testing them or if they work for GM driving company vehicles. It's just kind of a vibe

where like they are all over the city. Something I noticed. I hope I never go back. Anyway. We're sorry, people of Detroit. It was way outside of Detroit. It was really miserable to get there. Oh. sorry, people of Detroit. It was way outside of Detroit. It was really miserable to get there. Oh.

Yeah, okay. So, yeah, great. They have the Apple Watch apps for the cars. You can get into your car. Shout out to the people with those new cars. Great. Cool. You want to do trivia again?

Yeah, let's do it. Yeah. Trivia time. That's way better. Trivia, dude. time that's way better uh uh uh trivia dude so jaguar isn't only the name of a car company it's also the name of cat it's also a big cat specifically and the processor inside the ps4 pro the jaguar processor inside the ps4 pro was made by what company get wrecked it'd be sick it was made by what company? Ha ha ha. Get rekt. It'd be sick if it was made by Jaguar.

We're pivoting. It's really slow. Wow. Okay, yeah. I didn't know it was called Jaguar. Yeah, I didn't know that either. Well, I'll make a guess. And that'll be at the end, like usual.

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Ellis is sitting where Andrew was sitting. Let's go. And Andrew is sitting where Ellis was sitting. I thought I was smart. So, this must mean something's happening. Andrew, take it away so we have a little game to play this game is 100 stolen from a podcast i was listening to the other day

so shout out the grip lock podcast it's a disc golf podcast but i thought it was pretty fun and i thought it could be turned into a tech thing okay so explaining this it's a little complicated i'll try my best the goal of this game is you guys want to find the most expensive things sold on eBay in the category that we are going to give you. The way it works is we're going to have three rounds. In each round, you have a set number of keywords you're allowed to use.

So we're going to do the first round, you have three keywords. The second round, you have four keywords. The fifth round, you have five keywords. So what I'm going to do the first round. You have three keywords. The second round, you have four keywords. The fifth round, you have five keywords. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to give you a category. You are going to give me three words in the first round to type into eBay to try and find the most expensive item being sold on eBay. Okay. But are we, we're not allowed to order our search results by? No, no, you guys aren't going to go on eBay at all. So what's going to happen is I'm going to give you the category. You're going to tell me the three words to type in i will type them in and

then i'll tell you to pick a number between one and ten and i will pick that in the sold listing of ebay does that make sense oh so why isn't that just kind of chaotic wait so we give you the keywords yeah so you're going to give us a category sure so i'm gonna give you an example here okay here's the other twist okay once a keyword's used it cannot be used again by anybody okay i think i'm starting to understand i get to use military okay oh no here's so here's an example adam and i thought of if the category is computers and you have three keywords someone might tell me to type in macbook pro m4 okay so i'm going to type in macbook pro m4 okay so i'm going to type in macbook pro m4 i'm going to go to the sold things under that search and then

i'll say pick a number between one and ten you pick three i pick the third listing and i say that sold for five hundred dollars okay and you have five oh it's just random if marquez uses a keyword i can't use none of you can use keywords so no one at that point can use macbook pro or m4 okay for the rest of all of the rounds i have one more really annoying question good can a keyword be like a compound or does it have to be like literally a single word you can you give me an example no okay because then they'll steal it macbook is one word proper like if they like yeah like like for example like a keyword could be what's something that i would never use you're thinking of claw grip or like yeah that's how it's generally you can't tell me like i've

heard enough throwing all of them with no spaces counts as one word and you know ebay will fix it i got you cannot i'm ready we'll do okay so we'll start i think the first round will be a good introduction into it you get one keyword for each round but you're losing all of the keywords people have used i get it okay so the category for all three rounds is just phones we're searching for phones being sold on ebay they have to be a singular phone it can't be a lot of phones so if for some reason the one you pick like if you pick number three and it comes up and it's like 10 iphones i'll just pick the one after it that's a singular okay uh does this make sense how many i'm giving you three keywords for the first one's gonna be three okay so okay can i go

first well you guys can decide who goes first. Yeah, is it just in order or do we use buzzers? We should have some sort of fair determination. I have a number written down on my computer right now. Okay. Whoever gets closest without going over goes first. Oh, without going over? Between zero and 20.

Without going over. Yes. 16. Seven. 16. 7. Ellis, what is your number? I'm looking into his soul. I know this man so well. I know him so well that I know for a fact he picked the number

4. The winner is Marquez. Damn. The number was 14. I knew it. You got the 4 right. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. So it's Marquez. Damn. The number was 14. I knew it. You got the four right. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. So it's Marquez goes first. Alright. Then Ellis

then David. So I want to max. I want the highest price phone. Yeah. Just real quick three keywords. You're going first so you can say anything. We'll say the word phone can be used by anyone as many times as they want, if you want that to be one of your keywords.

Okay. Gold-plated new. That's it? And gold-plated, I assume, is two words? Okay, hold on. I'm going to... It needs to bring up a phone. I'm not putting it in the category.

And if it's not going to okay so phone is oh i see i see gold-plated new phone that's four yeah but didn't you say you could use phone as many times as you want it counts as one of your words well i would argue gold-plated is one keyword that's what i was hoping that's kind of what i was gold-plated phone gold new phone how about just gold new phone gold new phone yeah now it's not going to be gold plated so i need to think what number to pick which one would be number gold because like the first one is just going to be a phone with like a cheap phone with like a gold case or something i want i want to pick like the give me the number four just put some dollar signs in there okay so i'm going to give you number five because four isn't a phone okay

number four is the two angry bird plushies how so does that count or does that no i'm just gonna give them i'm always gonna go one down if it's not inside of the category i want this to still be tech related and still show tech things so you have an apple iphone 13 pro max just in gold it's not inside of the category. I want this to still be tech-related and still show tech things. So you have an Apple iPhone 13 Pro Max just in gold. It's not gold-plated, but still good. Sold for $690. Nice. They listed this at $660.

iPhone 16 Pro Max? iPhone 13 Pro Max. One terabyte. What was the price? $699. That's pretty good. good guys i hate to break it to you i secretly suspect that i'm about to be the barry bonds of this game okay ridiculous numbers yesterday adam and i went over this we went back and then you two were looking at stuff

on ebay and david's like you have to search the sold function of it and we're like talking about this and adam and i were just staring at each other. Did you know how to do it? Yeah. Okay. I've always done that. Yeah. All right. Will you let me use inbox as one keyword? That's what I said yesterday. That was my example. It's two words.

That's two words. Okay. Then I'm going to, my first word is going to be mint. My second word is going to be original. And my third word is going to be original and my third word is going to be mother iphone that was my exact example that's pretty all right original that's pretty insane what number one you could strike out with the number oh no i didn't like that look i did not like that look that was bad iphone 15 pro max original silicone case no 15 oh it's a phone in a case it's not in a case it's still a tech related the other thing was an angry bird plushie okay what's

what was number two i'm going all the way down to try and find a phone here we go okay you can buy an original iphone 2g for 23 dollars good luck barry bonds didn't always get a home run he whiffed a few and then he cranks them out of the park he's still got time you know one of the most famous people from my high school was the personal trainer for barry bonds that's the easiest job in the world so the analogy is that i'm about to be your personal trainer wait hold on let's real quick before you do that i think the case should have counted because it's still phone related and in the phone category i'm just being well no no so let's just go from now on if it's in within the phone category because you have to be specific about what you're searching for here and okay big doesn't always help can i just say pixel nine fold and you can number three all of those and none of those words have been used yet pixel nine fold okay and number three david one it's gonna be used one with a broken screen

you got pretty unlucky here google pixel fold 512 gigabytes 173 dollars you put nine fold well yeah somebody put that in their tags just a pixel fold came up right above that was 1300 dollars so that was a great choice unlucky guess search engine is bad i think that's part of the chaos of this game which is part of how seo results change the is bad. I think that's part of the chaos of this game. That's part of how SEO results change the content. That's true. That's a good point. That's a direct example. Can you update with score? This hurt. First round. I'll take that point

though. I can't believe I wasted mint. It's not a point. It's all these go together. Oh. Oh yeah. The most money spent at the end is the winner. So far, I almost got it. I just got $ winner. Oh, you could slam at any point. I almost got it. Because I just got $23.

No, you got $15. So after the first round, in first, with $690 for his gold new phone is Marquez. $173.61 goes for the Pixel 9 Fold, which is actually just a Pixel Fold. It was $173? $173.61. That's just a Pixel Fold. It was $173? $173.61. That's a cheap Pixel Fold. It was damaged.

It was damaged? Yeah. There you go. And in dead last for now is Ellis with $15.59 with the words Mint Original iPhone. I really thought I had it, boys. So now you cannot use any of those words moving forward. Okay. I'll try to remember.

All right. So for fourth category, do you want to go back to Marques or do you want to snake it and have David start on this one? We can snake it. I think snaking it's the more fair way. That's fair. Okay. David, start.

You have four keywords for this round. Oh. And it's still phones. We're going to do phones the whole way through. Oh, it's still phones? Still phones. Okay. You have less words to say, but you have one more word to enter into the search.

Okay. And iPhone is used? Correct. Frick. Yeah, that's a lot of resale right there. I'm helping you out. Just one word. New Apple. Wait, new is already used oh okay damn refs okay sorry wake up apple ref one terabyte

five g that's it oh yeah four sorry before you go for it oh but you can say phone as many times you want phone wait well we get four now yeah that's what you get four now wake up ellis that might work wait so just this is how i'm typing it in and i'll let you guys be the judge of this i because i'm counting phone as a keyword right so i have apple 1tb as a okay okay, 5G phone. Yeah. Cool. I agree. I think that should be. Number two. Oh, no. No? Yeah. That's pretty good.

Apple iPhone 13 Pro Max, one terabyte green, $635. Okay. Not bad. Shit. Well played. Could have been worse. There you go. Yeah.

That was a great, you are guaranteed 500 up to like 800, but you were not striking out on that search. Good. So one TB is used. Yeah. And if you use 512, all right, no, we're going to,

we're going to, we got to pull out some big bucks here. So I'm going, I think there's one y'all are missing. So Huawei trifold. Oh, unlocked. That's exactly what I was talking about

and for my fourth word I choose phone fun mate XT is the trifold a mate? yeah mate XT I shouldn't have told you that

you can only pick mate or XT, I think. Oh, are they? They're two words. Huawei trifold unlocked mate. Interesting order, but I don't think it matters. Send it, send it, send it. Order doesn't matter in SEO. It just kind of goes away.

Oh, I got to give you a number now. You do. Yeah. This is a real lottery. 14. Three. I, like, never pick one. I picked three, and it shot me in the face last time. I don't like this look. 14. Three. I, like, never pick one. I picked three, and it shot me in the face last time.

I don't like this look. 5,599 dollars. Oh, my God. Let's go. You got a cash register sound in there? Cha-ching. That was good. That was really good.

Thank you. Thank you. Wow. Unlocked. You were right, Marquez. I shouldn't have given you a name. Barry Bond strikes out, but boy. Yeah.

When he hits it. When he connects, that thing. I shouldn't have given you that. Barry Bond strikes out, but boy. When he hits. When he connects, that thing is, that's for real. Okay. Wow. Unlocked. Okay, I can't use new. I can't use. $5,000?

Okay. Here we go. Here we go. It has to be phones? Phone category. Do you think they're on eBay? I'm going to take a wild swing, because I don't know if these are on eBay. Okay.

Now, who had the moon? Everything's on eBay. Not Escobar. Can we even catch up? Caviar. I haven't searched that deep into this, so maybe. Okay. I'm going to try.

Dang. Caviar. iPhone. We can't do iPhone. Caviar verified iPhone. We can't do iPhone. Caviar, verified. We used original already? Yeah. You did, yeah, you did.

Caviar, verified. I think I have to say phone. And 512 GB. Yeah. What number? What number? Number two. Okay.

So it's not a Caviar phone, but you somehow hacked into still getting iPhones. So it's an Apple iPhone. Well, I think Caviar only made iPhones, right? I do think so. I think so. So Apple iPhone 15 Pro 512 for $787.

Okay. Not bad. Made a dent in Ellis' lead, but that's okay. Just out of curiosity, were any of those actual Caviar? None of them are the actual Caviar. They're all iPhones. No Caviar, huh? How else am I going to get $5,000? So after round two,

do you guys want to know your totals or just the totals? Okay. So, so far, Marquez has $1,477. Ellis has $5,614.59. David has $808.61. Ellis far in the lead. Respectable. One round remaining.

Who will win? Anything could happen. I wonder. So five keywords. Phone still counts. It still has to be a phone. Do you want us to go over all the ones, or we'll just tell you if it's been used already?

It still has to be a phone. Yeah, just tell me if we... Phone category, I'll say. And now we start with Ellis. We start with Marquez again. Yeah, snake back. It just goes back. Oh. So it has to be a phone yeah just tell me if we phone category i'll say and now we start with ellis uh we start with marquez again oh yeah snake back just goes back oh so it has to be a phone and i need to find a phone that's selling right now for five thousand dollars to take a lead over ellis and have a buffer for when he gets something five thousand so the mate xt well doesn't it doesn't

have to be selling right now. It's purchase listings. I don't know how sold works. I assumed it was more recently. Yeah, sold. Okay. I kind of want to stretch the definition of a phone, but that might not work. I don't know.

Let's go industrial working industrial working are you looking for the dogo phone or dogo dogo dogy no those don't go for five grand

those are not five grand I'm looking for like the phone that like hooks up to the tractor there's no way this costs $5,000, though. This isn't going to work. This is a failed strategy. I have a good idea. I saw the spark in both of your eyes as Mark S. started talking.

Yeah. We're probably going to say the same thing. If we get a smartwatch, would that count? Or does it have to be a phone? I think phone should be. It needs to make phone calls or be a phone accessory because of the cases before so accessory the garmin lockheed martin collab watch that pairs with the f22 raptor uh in the cockpit like

that doesn't i don't think so all right we allowed phone cases i mean like it should be like no way i don't know if it's the F-22 Raptor, but Garmin does make smartwatches that pair with fighter jet cockpits. But we're saying, like, if I hit the, like, Garmin $2,000 smartwatch, that won't count because it doesn't make phone calls.

It seems like that's what we're... Yeah. All right, yeah, let's try it. Phone-shaped. Okay. Yeah. Working, Motorolaola briefcase i was gonna phone i was gonna do a similar thing i was gonna do like original alexander crambell like working motorola briefcase phone uh

what's the fifth word that's gonna make sure it's expensive vintage uh why are you helping him i can't say original i can't say new in box i can't say ah classic inbox was not used was it not because it was too high it doesn't even come out oh yeah yeah um let's just go with uh pristine pristine good word okay so before i click search i tried to search this the other day and maybe my keywords weren't great but nobody's i don't know what's gonna come up here i don't think anybody sold these on ebay okay there's plenty of things that are in the category. You're fine. Give a number. Okay.

Five. I didn't. A Moto G Power gently used and partially working. $13.38, baby. $13? $13. Moto G Power. Oh, my gosh.

What a backfire. Under that, is it worth it for lunch? It's $14. There was a working vintage Motorola car phone under that, but it's still only $25. Oh, wow. Okay. I am going to go with a very different tactic then,

because I was originally going to go there too. I'm going to do, we're going to try something crazy. We're going to do official. Does a pay phone count as a phone? No. No, I'm keeping strat. Official. Signed.

Mmm. Rare. Mmm. Phone. Authentic. Gold. Diamond. And I want you to choose before you look this up i'm gonna say there am i screwed

two out of the top 10 are actually phones so whichever one you get closest to and i'll read some of the other ones andrew just answer me this. Are either of the two phones worth more than $100? Yes. Somebody signed a phone. Number six. Okay, you are closer to the more expensive one.

An Apple iPhone XR. What? It says Rare iOS 13 Grade A. I don't know what that means. It's $154.99. Who is it signed by? It is not signed. The number one is a Joe Montana signed football.

What is it? How much was that? $77. What? Flappy Bird. Oh, no. You remember that? I have an idea.

You just, Marques, you cost me the game. I lost already. It's not going to be that. I don't think they're bringing it. Yeah, I don't think. You can download the APK off APK. David, you just need. They sold.

Like at one point. That's true. Yeah. If you can get something that's $5,000 and secure the win. No biggie. yeah if you can get something that's five thousand dollars secure the win no okay how about at&t emergency response uh industrial uh did we actually use that or he didn't wind up using it okay and then flappy bird that's too many words flappy bird is a proper noun right

just flappy bird bird no phone you're sure oh wait sorry phone bird phone you gotta pick one AT&T emergency and response industrial

phone diamond alright pick a number luxury four please it's probably i'm gonna give you please give me one that one i'm gonna be very nice here and i'm gonna go one above it okay because yours is uh an emergency phone print ad was number four so i'm gonna go for the 4g lte cellular dialer phone elevator emergency communicator elevator 159 let's go because under that was a phone that says 999 crossed out and says best offer accepted so i don't even know what that means do they have any of the at&t like briefcase emergency response satellite phones in there it was satellite satellite oh i should have said satellite

satellite probably would have i should have said what i should have said uh what's the thing that's in space that's orbiting Earth? The ISS. The moon. I should have said ISS communication device. If you'd said original Starship Enterprise communicator, would you have gotten credit? From TV show? It's not a phone but it would have been really funny.

So in first place was $5,769.58 Ellis Roeville! Let's go! From the desk! First place was $5,769.58. Made XT. Ellis Roving. Let's go. From the desk to here. Came to win.

Took it all. Coming up the rear with $1,490.38. Respectable is Marquez Brownlee. Let's go. And all the way in last is David. $968. And 56 cents. David, Emma.

I like this game. I would play again. I want to say Ellis getting the made XT over both of you guys. I'm very surprised. I knew Ellis was going to go to like autographed like vintage route. Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully you liked it. I thought it was going to go the like autographed like vintage route. Autographed by Barry Bonds. Yeah. Hopefully you liked it. I thought it was fun.

We left it at just phone as the category. So in the future, maybe we could do computers or something else. Can you try one more search for me? Just out of curiosity. Okay. Can you search MKBHD signed phone and see if anything comes up? Have you signed someone's phone before? I've signed a lot of phones. And I'm curious if someone ever listed it and sold it on eBay I just want to know so you can beat them up I just want to know my theory is

I'm taking value off your phone when I write on it Wow here's one that would have won what Apple iPhone 16 Pro Max signed by Jaws $1515,000. And it sold for that? Yeah. How did that not come up when I... Yeah, when we did iPhone, we should have done signed. I think you did too many authentic... But it was without iPhone. Yeah, it was. It was just... Ah, fair enough. Yeah. Damn.

Jaws? Really? See? He adds value. None of us thought of that. Yeah, none of us. That's too bad. I bet Steve Jobs signed iPhone would be insane. I don't think that exists. It probably exists. Steve Jobs signed iPhone? There's probably at least one.

I don't know if it was recently sold on eBay. But that would have to be like a first round pick with your keywords. There's an office poster signed by Steve Jobs that sold for $32,000. Dang. Would you have accepted that? No. We wouldn't have gotten points for that. You can't make a phone call on it.

Especially because it's a poster about the Macintosh. Would you have accepted that? No. We wouldn't have gotten points for that. You can't make a phone call on it. Especially because it's a poster about the Macintosh. There you go. I feel like one day when we play this game, we should just have no category and just see who can think of the most expensive things on eBay.

Yeah. Buick. No, just kidding. No, that was fun. I think we should bring that game back at some point. That was... And maybe we should switch it up and go from like Amazon to like random,

like bestbuy.com, just to see. Teemu. Just to see. It's a fight of like, do you go old, new? What is the listing gonna be? Like how chaotic is the listing gonna be with keywords? So yeah, I thought it was fun. That was fun.

Shout out to the disc golf pod as well. Well, in order to switch back to regular trivia, I think we have to do a little shuffle. Oh, I thought it was fun. That was fun. Shout out to the disc golf pod as well. Well, in order to switch back to regular trivia, I think we have to do a little shuffle. Oh, I forgot about that. Should we do the magic? Definitely. What? Get out of my seat. You have to clap then.

Whoa. Jesus. Oh my goodness. That one hurt. Normally they're easy, but I don't know. that one like hurt like normally they're they're they're easy but like i don't know that one really hurt going through there poor audio listeners audio listeners they teleported by clapping it was great in real life you know what time it is you know what it is i think that's the number one song on ellis's spotify wrapped it's the trivia song do you know the name of that song? No. Trivia Dude. I believe it's called... By Adam Molina.

Would You Like Another Pineapple? That is some truly royalty free... You know who's really unaffected by SEO? Royalty free music. Yeah, but they're very affected by AI. The name of the song doesn't matter. It's called Another Pineapple Please

by The Fly Guy guy five i love that i agree and no one will ever find it on google uh no but uh it's not royalty free so you can't use it uh you gotta pay for it like we did um like we do uh question number one can i steal one please please question number one price is right rules uh what was the first year that cyber monday was used as like a marketing term and uh this question might be a little confusing because cyber monday was coined in the middle of the year to describe the year before uh like oh a lot of people bought stuff that day so we're going to call that cyber monday but then it was used as a marketing term for the first time in the year that i Monday. But then it was used as a marketing term

for the first time in the year that I'm looking for, and it's Price is Right rules, so if you guess a year later than the correct year, you are disqualified. What year do we think it is? Who would like to go first? Actually, David should go first. Is it because I'm the most wrong?

You're not the most wrong. Okay. I wrote 2006. That unfortunately is later than the year in question. Alright, so I'm wrong. 2010?

I was debating going 90s. I said 2002. That is not the right year, but within the acceptable parameters, the correct year is 2005. Oh, really? 2005. Why don't we ever do Delta? Internet mattered enough then?

Amazon? That was the first year that people, or people into in early 2005 uh were looking back and were like wow people bought a lot of stuff online right after thanksgiving and they started 2004 in yeah thanksgiving 2004 and then throughout 2005 they were like oh i guess there's this sort of black friday online we'll call it Cyber Monday. It started as like an industry term coined by one executive named Ellen Davis. And it- From what company? She was not an executive of a specific company.

She was at one of those like trade groups called the National Retail Federation. That sounds- The most capitalist thing I've ever heard of in my life. National Retail. Next question. Jaguar isn't just the name of the car company.

Are you going to do that every time? It's also the processor inside the PS4 Pro, which was made by what company? There's a PS4 Pro as well? There was. I had the PS4. That was my first ever console.

What? PS4 Pro was my first ever console dang really what ps4 pro ever first ever ever yep that's wow yep no wonder you're in the middle of college never had a gamecube or any of those other ones i had a ps wait was that in the apartment where you guys had like that little kind of half room between like the bedrooms and you had that giant curved TV. Flip and read. What do you got? Oh, crap. Let's go Marques first. I wrote NVIDIA. NVIDIA? Yeah. Nope.

Dang it. I wrote Intel. Intel? Nope. David? It's AMD. It's AMD. It's called an APU. Suckers. What does that mean? Something processing unit. Is it AMD processing unit?

It's probably advanced processing unit or something. Or like all-in-one. I don't know. I should know this. I don't really know. I don't know this. Well, I'm officially carrying the one now. David's carrying the one now.

And I'm where I should be. Behind everyone else so i can come back in the trivia extravaganza it's an accelerated processing unit interesting that's a beautiful beautiful place to be with nice even round numbers for trivia yeah uh wait what when has it not been round numbers also these are not even numbers. Nice, odd, round numbers. Zero is a number. Is zero an even number? Zero is a concept.

All numbers are concepts. Or both? I think it's even. Is it a number but not an integer? I'm not saying anything more because I'm an idiot. Or is an integer but not a number? It is an integer but not a positive Zero is an even number

According to Gemini No also according to Byjuapostrevs.com What is that? I have no idea There is also a Wikipedia page Called Parody of Zero Thanks for listening

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