Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Meta’s AI Vision..for your Face!

Episode Date: September 19, 2025

This week, Marques, Andrew, and David have a ton to talk about. They start it off with experiences after using the new iPhones for a week before talking about the rumors that MacBooks might finally be getting a touchscreen. Then Marques updates everyone on all of the new features that YouTube announced. After that, it's all about the three new Meta glasses that were announced at Meta Connect. Of course, we wrap it all up with trivia. Enjoy! Links: MacRumors - OLED MacBook rumors Electrek - Rivian E-Bike leak Music provided by Epidemic Sound Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Social: Waveform Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Waveform Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en Hosts: Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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that one of you accidentally blurts it out loud and I have to write a new question or... Organic light emitting diode. I knew that's what it was. I was so happy to say. Of course that's what it was. That's really it. Oh, no.

I thought that's no way to define touchscreen. Yo, what is up, people of the Internet. Welcome back to another episode of the Wayform podcast. We are your hosts. I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. And it's TechTember, which means we have plenty to talk about.

That's how it usually goes. Let's see, we've got the latest meta event. And there's rumors like that popped up really quickly of a new touchscreen OLED MacBook Pro, so we can talk about that. Also, some new YouTube features have been announced. We have more thoughts on the iPhone that we are currently reviewing, aka several of them. and a Rivian e-bike. So we should start with...

Actually, you guys wanted to show me a video that I haven't seen yet. I didn't see it either. We keep getting tagged in this iPhone review video on everywhere and on our subreddit and I think on Discord, but I just posted it in here. For a good reason? For a good reason.

Okay, so I only watched like the first two minutes, which is I think all we should watch here. But the production quality is wild, and everyone keeps comparing it to us since we're kind of known as the production quality team. I'll play it at the same time so David can watch, and I want you two to describe what's going on

because the effects are pretty far out there. The thumbnail is a man holding the phones out. Okay, he does a pan up and then it moves. It's definitely a robot shot and then he stands up. Now it's another robot shot. With like two screens showing 60 and 100 hertz, 20 hertz with like a ping pong ball going by it. Okay.

And then an iPhone air that hits the ping pong ball to him. Oh, and he has a magic trick to turn the ping pong ball into the orange iPhone. Now watch this. it's on like a what the heck is this spinning almost like animation dial with all the phones from the first to the end.

Holy. Wait, that's cool. Jeez. And then so he spins it and all the phones of all the generations slowly capture in

on like the camera, the back, the Apple logo, the front screen and goes through all of them and then the whole thing just explodes. Wow.

And the iPhone 17 is floating in the air. That looks crazy. That was crazy. That was really well done. How much of, yeah, a lot of this is practical.

They have the little rainbow. thing they've got their own oh yeah they do oh oh that bezel expansion all i'll stop there but like yeah they're making good use of the robot that they got yeah it's pretty cool yeah hold on we can hear that like a lot yeah well yeah this is this is really good this is good for youtube i've not seen this channel yet it is not english so i may have to use auto translate or something to watch it that will make sense later we're going to talk more about live translate later but yeah that is that is awesome i love seeing that on YouTube especially. Okay. New iPhones. Yeah. We're in our own studio. You guys have been using them now because the last time we talked, we were out at Apple and you had gotten the briefings, but we hadn't

actually used them. Right. Like use them. Use them. Yeah. So I went to go put my sim card in it and then there was no sim card trace. So I swapped over my e-sim and then I started using it. Okay. I'm holding an iPhone air right now. Can you tell it's blue? No. No. I can't. I feel like, yeah. It's like snow leopard blue that's a very good descriptor snow leopard means the animal yeah like it almost has like a cool tint or it's like yeah it's white but you slid the tint slider exactly because snow leopards are like they're white but there's like a there's like a cast from the the snow that makes them look a little bluey because the sky i've never heard that before i'm totally on david's wavelength in this one i think it's a great descriptor no it is we're on today

this is maybe one and a half percent saturation it is i think what i'm at i think what's what David's basically saying is it's white, except that it looks like it's in a room that's blue. That's right. Yeah. If you held it outside, the sky would reflect blue on it slightly. See how it's white on this table and it looks kind of blue. And then I put it over here where it looks kind of blue and it looks white. So anyway, it's barely blue. Um, copyright. The number one question I've been getting, because I've been using the air, I think a lot of people who have been asking me about the phones have been asking me about the air. Should I get the air? I usually get the probe, but should I get the air this time? Um, and so Apple did the thing. And so Apple did the thing. where they put the pro chip in it and they have pro motion and they're talking about

the power of the pro but in an ultra-thin body, it is a really great phone to use in a vacuum, but it dies really fast unfortunately, and it's not in a vacuum. You have to compare it to other available phones

and other available phones have better features like an ultra-wide camera or a telephoto camera or a bigger, better battery are you taking a picture of me or selfie? I'm just trying out the 2x like crop. Yeah, the 2x crop.

The fusion camera. Yeah. So in general, I have been enjoying this phone and using it and it's very pretty and very fun to hold and I've been using it with no case and it's super nice but unfortunately it has not lasted me a whole day yet. Oh. Like at all? Not once.

So your first couple days you said were most likely because of just like it's setting up the phone and down there stuff right, but so the first few days I had really bad. This always happens when I test new phones. It's like it's setting everything up. It's downloading all my like offline media like it usually does. It's logging into all my apps and everything's opening for the first time ever. So it's not like normal use. I think the first day I had like an hour and a half screen on time with 20% battery. So that's, that was obviously not

how it's supposed to go. But now I've been like settling into it. Adaptive battery is on by default on all these phones. So it has been on on this phone. And now I'm getting up to the three and a half to four hours screen on time dead at the end of the day type usage, which is. C minus D plus like not great levels of battery and that also conveniently brings us to the accessories that like Apple's made it easy to charge this phone it has MagSafe still in Che2 and then they have that battery that they made for the air that you can pop it on the back which brings it from the thinnest iPhone ever to the thickest iPhone ever and then it charges it up roughly once it's about the same size of the internal battery I pop the ridge battery bank on the back and that also did really well that can charge it up two or three times which is nice but yeah it's I found myself because I came from a pro and this will be some other people's experience too I want to go take a picture or something I want to go switch the ultra ride and there was none darn I want to go watch a video that would have like nice stereo video and oh there is no stereo audio darn oh I want to

like there's a bunch of things that you forget yeah you don't have until you go to use how does it sound with just a single it's honestly fine and it's fine until you think about it and then you realize the audio is only coming from one side. So if you watch a video in horizontal, all the audio comes from the left side or from the earpiece side. I want Ellis to buy this just so he has to live in hell everything. I wish you guys could have been there when the iPhone 10 came out and me and all my audio friends. We're just turning our phones to the side and hearing it and stereo and being like, this is this is the craziest thing. We had that on Android. That was quite a while. yeah we had the boom sound we got that boom sound was pretty pretty elite boom boom boom

pretty elite yeah they would say so i'm like a piece i'm basically looking through this this phone i'm looking at this phone through the lens of what phone are you coming from because if you're coming from a phone with more features you're going to miss some stuff but if you're coming from an older phone with less features you might be cool with it would have to be a much older phone i'm thinking like 12 and 13 like if you have a let's say a 12 mini for example I don't know anyone that still has a 12 million. Well, just put the hypothetical. Just like think of a person who happened to stumble into the trap and buy a 12 mini, right?

Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. So they already have horrible battery life. Yeah, they already have a single camera? If they were real. Or no, you have dual cameras. So you have dual cameras. It has two, yeah. They already have, they have a small screen, it's 60 hertz, and they're,

they don't have a whole ton of like big speakers or huge pro power chip or anything like that. If they move directly to the iPhone air, they will think, whoa, My battery is better screen. Battery life is a little better. Pro motion 120 hertz. They'll be missing one of their cameras, but they'll have way more power. They'll have a smoother phone, and they'll feel like it's an upgrade. We could still hypothetically do a battery percentage segment every week.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Hypothetically, of course. Of course. Does the phone get really hot? That's one of the things I was thinking about. So in my normal bursty everyday use, no. I plan to do a test today to see if, like, long-term heavy use, which is the thing that the vapor chamber and the pros is supposed to keep cool, if that makes this phone hot.

But I have not tested that yet. That is a good question. I will know the answer by the end of today. So hypothetically, this, you know, hypothetical 12 mini-user would also be like, oh, this phone's not really hot all the time. Yeah, potentially. Yeah, I mean, I just, my current battery is, it's 11 a.m. I'm at 89%.

That's about as good of a morning as I've had with this. Pretty good because I'm at I'm at 90% and I charge my phone in the car today. Yeah. So I'm at pro max. I'm at 79, but I woke up at 82. So are you plugged in when you came into work today? Nope. Okay.

Yeah, I woke up with 100 at like 7.30. So lightweight use, but that's with only how much. I did car play on the screen off the whole time. So I've only had 32 minutes of screen on time. So multiply that by 10. That's like three and a half hours. Ellis, what's your battery life right now? Hypothetically.

If you were to have a 12 mini. Wait, your 12 mini matches your LaCroix. That's the most Ellis thing that's ever happened on the podcast. Yeah, what's your better? Is it better than Marquez? What did you say yours was? Eighty-nine. Yeah, definitely not.

What do you think? I think it's probably lower. I think it's having a good day. 63. It's 68 exactly. Is it really? It's like the ideal temperature. Yeah.

Yeah. I can agree with that. Okay, so we can now talk about at Apple Park. They brought us through a bunch of demos, and one of the demos was that they were putting a bunch of pressure on the iPhone air. They have this pressure chamber thing where they have this weight that they presses on the center of it, and it puts all this force on it. And they made the air still have a titanium frame because they wanted to be able to snap back to its, like,

original position yeah whereas I believe aluminum is a little softer so they showed us all these demos and it made it seem like it was going to be stable has that felt concerning to you at all because I mean you're probably not the target demographic but a lot of women put these phones in their back pockets yes they're sitting on them all the time and yeah kind of crunching them what are your feelings on that so I'll give my official Jerry everything prediction yeah everyone's waiting for recording this on Wednesday everyone's waiting for that video is going to get 10 million No matter what happens. Yeah, Zach tries to bend every phone fairly. He tries really hard. Oh, sorry, it's Thursday. My God. It's Thursday as we record this, so he hasn't bent or tried to bend the air yet. But yeah, Apple, first they had us try to bend something ourselves, and it was like a force. It was measuring how much force we put through the phone. And the most I saw anyone put through it was a little over 85 pounds of force. And they said, that's you trying as hard as you can to bend something. You put 80. 85 pounds of force through your hands to try to bend it.

So then they put it on that machine, and they put 130 pounds of force through the middle in a really small concentrated area. Your butt sitting on a phone is not the same as a small concentrated area, putting 130 pounds through the middle. But let's say you really, really tried, and you put 130 pounds through the phone. It did start to bend. Then they released the pressure and the titanium frame bent back to flat. Yeah.

And I've watched a couple other interviews and a couple of instances of Apple executives talking about this phone when they get cornered and pressured and asked about it bending, they seem to always suggest it'll bend back. It'll go back to flat. So even if you put a ton of pressure through the phone, it'll go back to flat. So my prediction is Zach will on camera get the phone to visibly bend enough for a thumbnail, but it will bend back to flat. And that's what will happen. I don't worry about sitting on the phone and actually bending it in half. I have sat on it two or three times but not on like a hard surface so I haven't been at risk of bending it yet but I suspect it's actually fine because Apple has lots of engineers that have thought many many many many hours

about this because this phone's number one concern is bending I think the most impressive part about one of those interviews was when I think it was Jaws threw it to someone from like Tom's hardware and he just doesn't catch it and it slams like face down on the table next to him because he's like try and bend it and just slams the table and That part of it being fine was kind of impressive. You know, it's Ceramic Shield 2 on the front and the back, and Apple did have a slide in the keynote that said this was the most durable iPhone ever. They actually said that.

That's pretty crazy. I'm assuming it will be the most durable because it will also be the least repairable if I had to guess. That's a great question. I also have not seen any iFix it or tear downs or anything of this phone yet. It is rearranged on the inside, and a lot of components are up in the top now, and the most of the bottom is battery. Well, so that begs the question. In the words of Mark Anthony, I need to know.

I need to know. Tell me baby Marquez because I need to know. Wow, I really appreciate that reference. You're welcome. Good job. Is this worth the tradeoff of it being a little bit thinner? This is like how do you feel about right? What is the, is the thinness, you're losing all this stuff. Yeah. How do you feel about overall? Uh, there's this phrase called the honeymoon period. Yeah. Right. I know it well. Okay. So, so in the world of larger and larger objects, when you make it thinner, you appreciate that thinness or that size improvement more. So you could go as large as like appliances or cars or whatever.

But even in like a laptop, when you go from a really thick laptop to a really thin laptop, you can appreciate that for a long time. And I think the smaller and thinner the object is, the faster the honeymoon period goes away. And so with this phone, I've really... admired and appreciated how pretty it is it's very thin and it's cool to hold and every time you know for the past day or so that i've had it in public people are like oh is that the air and i'm like yeah isn't it so pretty and then like it dies at 6 p.m and i'm like ah i don't really care about it being thin anymore like you really very quickly within a week or two are kind of

over how thin it is or you'll put a case on it or you'll just just go back to using it like a regular phone and so i think there will be people who buy it because it's really thin and then they'll get over and it would just be a normal phone and they'll have to the thing is it's going to be like annoying in two or three years when a battery dies even faster and you have to charge it even more often that'll be kind of a bummer yeah but I think yeah the the honeymoon period of wow this phone's really pretty and slightly thinner than a regular iPhone you get it pretty quickly I think a very large percentage of the iPhone buying population just wants an iPhone and so if they're able to get something that's nice and a little bit unique and pretty

they're going to buy that yeah i don't just the base 17 if they well i was going to say because this is way prettier this is cooler and it's not it's now cheaper than the pro models so like it is still it's just flashy fun iPhone for non-tech person but you don't have to do max pro max it's a way to get something different and if you just want iOS because you want iMessage and you want facetime and you want you know all your apps then there's going to be a lot of people that this one doesn't come in green that green is really good seeing it in person yeah green is amazing so we we talked briefly about like the the vacuum of this phone like it's a pretty good phone but then you compare it to other phones and the base iPhone 17 being such a good deal and then the pro

iPhones you know this is the other thing when I review the pros like this phone being so thin I feel like gave the pro phones a green light to just do whatever they go big go thicker do whatever more better they're reminiscent of the macbook pros yeah yeah aluminum they're thicker yeah so i think in the latter now of apple products of like base iPhone and then air and then pro and then pro max the weird thing is if you tell people to skip the air and you're like hey you have a base phone but you want a bigger screen you have to go all the way to pro max which is a pretty huge jump yeah so i think there are people out there who see the base iPhone 17 and they're like I want a bigger screen and then I see the bigger screen is the air and they go oh but that one is one camera worst

battery single speaker and all these other things I guess I have to go all the way to and they just walk themselves all the way up the ladder I also have held that and like the screen size of 6.7 inches right it's 6.5 but it's a big that's a really nice middle ground it's a big screen it feels like a nice middle ground the 6.9 the pro max just is so freaking big it's huge i want something in between yeah i think ultimately it's going to come down to heart versus brain right it's like hmm former function yeah former function your brain is like the base iPhone has everything i could ever want and it's cheaper and it's technically better in every way it's literally a better phone but my heart yeah no i think a lot of things for the air

i think a lot of iOS users use their heart people yeah it's that new new weird to say yeah That new, new. The Android people are like, give me the specs, baby. I mean, in Android land, it's so easy to just go, why would you ever buy it? Yeah, of course. It's clearly not the phone to get. Of course. In brain land.

In brain land. It's big brain time. Yeah, there's, there's spec people, and then there's just like, I just want the new iPhone. What are the three iPhones? And this is the prettiest new iPhone. Yeah. That's it. Yeah, fingerprint city.

Some thoughts about the pro. Yeah. I do like, I'm liking currently, this could be the honeymoon period. the unibody aluminum chassis. I'm very into it. Because it feels a lot like an old HTC phone to me. Whoa. That color.

I love those phones. Yeah. Or like end of the life. Exactly. Like holding the sides of it, holding like feeling the back, like I just know what the feeling of cold aluminum feels like. It reminds me of that a lot. And so that that's kind of just, it's a small thing, but it's nice.

I did like a couple of people that I've been hanging out with are like, they didn't even notice that this was the new one. And they're like, are they sending you the new one? And I'm like the one right there, like right next to me. And they're like, oh, can I see it? Can I see it? And I hand it to them. And they're scrolling around and they're like, oh, it's the same.

I'm like, yeah. It's an iPhone. I don't know what to tell you. And then they just hand it back and then they're over it. So I showed someone the plateau. And I was like, check it out. They changed it. And they're like, oh.

I think the, can I see yours real quick? Yeah. Just because I, okay. The Apple logo is much easier to see on this. The orange one, it feels kind of tough to see sometimes when the light's hitting the glass back. I've also gotten pretty used to the look of the plateau on the pro, and I think it looks pretty good, pretty decent.

Small underrated thing, the way you hold your phone, the plateau on the back, I, for so many years on Android phones, have been using it to hold the phone. Yeah. And so it feels more natural to hold the phone with the plateau on the iPhone now, too. I like that about it. Definitely.

Yeah. That's pretty much it, though. I mean, the cameras, I'm glad they're all 48 megapixels. They told me that they have a re-engineered pipeline for the crop modes where they use the 12 megapixel in the center of the sensors, and then it should be much higher quality. Dave T.D. put out a video about this, and it looked much higher quality. He also did a bunch of camera samples versus the 16 pro, and the skin tones are way better, like across the board. They looked very washed out on the 16 pros, for the 17 pros.

One thing I have noticed is a lot of my photos come out a little bit overexposed. And it sort of feels like because they make the sensors bigger every year, they just keep forgetting to retool how much light is coming in versus how much they should process it. And so everything is really bright. Yeah. So just straight out of camera, no changes. Everything's a little overexposed for me right now. But I'm sure that'll be. You got to use camera control to dial in your look.

Look, they put it on the top now. They're going to start calling this the visual intelligence button, mark my words. Yeah, because they didn't Or the button that never existed. Yeah, just completely nix it and never speak of it again. You should take bets on Wayform on when that button goes away. It'll go away, for sure. There's too many things on the side of this phone at this point.

iPhone 18 is still there? On the fold? On this next 2026 iPhone. It'll still be there next year. What about F119? Either 19 or 20. I think it's gone by 19. I would say 19.

I would probably guess 19 also. Yeah. I'll go 18. All right. I think it's true. And you know, they'll do they'll take it away and they'll be like with that space we may fit 50 more million hours of battery that's exactly what they'll say uh i would say that the the front facing

square sensor has been a hit for a lot of people yeah i show that to some people and they're like that's such a cool feature that's so amazing everyone should copy it's so good everyone should and they will yeah don't worry yeah they will who's first to copy that opo yeah same yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah sure also a new apple rumor and this came up on my timeline and it was just like immediately corroborated everywhere which is next MacBook Pro's will have touchscreens, OLED touchscreens.

Is it the pros? Yeah, MacBook Pros. That's interesting. That is... And by next, you mean next year? Next year's MacBook Pro is like M5. Assuming if there is another one out this year. M5 or M6, maybe M6.

But it looks like next year we're expecting because all the rumors are seeming to agree now that there will be an OLED in-cell touchscreen MacBook Pro. On-sell. on cell say in cell on cell

I said in cell meaning I n space cell but on space cell is the correct term that's just the tech that incorporates the sensors in the top layer of the OLED yeah

I don't know if I want that I know a lot of people who have been expecting it and asking it because of how powerful iPads have gotten and how much that experience seems to overlap with MacBook pros

I use the touchpad which is really great and I don't think if they were able to develop some sort of of like anti-smudge technology to put on the display because I used to use a lot of Surface Pro devices. I had a Surface book, I was like so hyped

on the first Surface book and then I bought the two and I bought the three. And I really liked it for Photoshop because being able to sort of just like zoom in by pinching on the area you need is very handy and like panning around the screen. I really liked that. But now that I use a MacBook promo most of the time,

the screen already gets so dirty that I'm like, do I need it be even more dirty and so you know I don't know if it was just there as a feature they'll probably figure out some interesting implementation of adding a touchscreen like something that actually makes it better I would hope yeah the OS well first of all the OS has looked like it's been ripe for a touchscreen support for a little while now yeah I will also throw in that I was very impressed with the nanotexture iPad because it looks really good and it's a matte display and it also seems to be durable enough

and doesn't get a ton of fingerprints. So if they can do something like that for the MacBook Pro, because my MacBook Pro is nanotexture, but doesn't seem to be as durable. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I could definitely see, like, because there's the notification center

where you can just, if you were just able to tap that with your thumb, it could be quicker. I feel like if you used one for long enough, when I was using Surface stuff also, I didn't care, and then I slowly started realizing small times that I would use it,

and then I came to my MacBook, and I was just touching the screen all the time nothing was happening. Even just like sitting right here sometimes, you can just like have your thumb and like swipe around on the page and like scroll for things on a plane or a train or something that would be nice.

Just reading articles. And there's nothing, it doesn't take away from your regular experience. I feel like they should add it because it's a feature that doesn't hurt. When I was a teacher, I had a lot of students. And this actually happened to me on my first college

or high school laptop, which had a windows with a touch And I don't think it still happened to a MacBook. But when you said it doesn't take away, when that touchscreen breaks and you're trying to scroll, you know, move your cursor around the screen and it keeps jumping to random points and then you have to go into the settings and disable the touchscreen while the cursor just going boing, boing, boing, boing, that is, that is. Assuming you're someone who takes care of your computer that hopefully won't happen.

They said those were like school computers, right? No, these were just like Windows laptops that cost under two. thousand dollars so they were destined to destined to i shouldn't say that i'm sorry they really just need to make the touchpad accessible with the apple pencil like at some point that would actually be awesome it's the size of a small walk-on tablet already if they just gave it apple pencil support then you wouldn't need to make it a touchscreen i've tested many laptops with touch screens over the past few years and i never use the touchscreen with my hands like all the service laptops all these other laptops i'm aware that i can do it

I just, the touch points are small enough that I just hit it with the cursor every time. Maybe I'm old school. I bet if you had it for long enough, I bet if this laptop had it and you're just using it every day, you would slowly start to find times where it's like, just a nice little extra thing. I really liked it in Photoshop. I used the touchscreen on my Asus Zen book Fold 17. I think I got that right.

The one last year. No, the one for like four years ago. But I like that. It's the one that. That it sandwiches its own keyboard. That was like two years ago. And it has an easel. Yeah.

What I'm talking about? Yeah. Oh, Zenbo. Yeah. Yeah. That thing is kind of fun. I like that.

And I actually use that with the touchscreen. Oh, that one. Yeah. It sucks. It's like the worst computer ever. But that's like different. That's because it's like not a computer. It's more like a folding tablet that has a.

Yeah. It runs Windows. It's a tablet that turns into it. Yeah. It's a tablet that runs Zoo Tycoon 2 because it still has direct X support. Hell, yeah. Okay. Well.

I hope to see that eventually. We'll see. There are a lot of rumors of another Apple event happening in the next number of months. In this article, they seem to think, German and Quo, both think the, like, base MacBook with the iPhone chip in it are going to come out, Q4, 2025. The 13 intro, whatever is. That's the one I'm waiting for.

That's going to be incredible. I need something super small in light. That'd be great. I alternate, really. I'm always like, I need it too more portable. Wait, I need the 16-inch. I hate that I sometimes have to edit on my laptop because if I didn't, I'd have such a thin and light laptop.

But for the one or two times every year that I need the power, I can't not have this. I'm really glad I switched from the 16 to 14. I will say that. I'm very glad about that. For those who are wondering on the podcast, I was very torn. I did the 14. No regrets.

Interesting. Yeah. All right. Do we want to quickly talk about this made on YouTube event before we take it to break? Ooh, how much, should I limit how much I have to stay on this? Probably. They released 30 features.

Can you name five speed run? I can, your five favorite Sure. Speed run. Okay, so the TLDR is YouTube had their own event, which was kind of just like a tech event where they invited a bunch of people, a bunch of them were YouTube creators,

but also a bunch of them were journalists. I happened to ride the line and be covering it also using the features, so it was cool to be there, and they had executives on stage, and they talked over 30 new features coming to you. YouTube. So basically new products for us to use and then demoed them and gave us a little

how to on what they will do. And some of them are rolling out quickly. Some of them are rolling out later. Some of them are really cool. Some of them are absolutely useless to me and hopefully won't spell the end of humanity. Okay. So here's my, some of my favorites. Where is this going? Some of my favorites are dynamically inserted mid-roll ads. Could be very interesting. Please explain yourself because that sounds terrible. So right now on YouTube, there's a couple different types of ads. There are the AdSense ads, like the pre-rolls and the post rolls and the pop-up ads that you guys have seen on YouTube. And then there's also mid-roll ads, which is I'm watching YouTube video and then boom, a mid-roll pops up and plays and then goes away and then comes back to the video, right? Those are all supported and have been around for a while. Then there are the ads that a creator will bake into the video themselves and it's burned in forever. It's like, hey, this video is brought to you by and that lives in the video forever. So as of right now, creators have only had one way to structure deals around that type of ad, which is you can pay me to get in front of my audience and it will live,

no matter how many views this video gets, it will live in the video forever. Some people are like doing performance incentives or like number of views incentives or whatever, but basically it lives forever. This new dynamically inserted mid-roll feature will allow creators to have a burned-in video ad that can go away or be replaced or move to another video or be across their whole channel or whatever and have many more dynamic ways

of structuring deals around that type of thing. You can be a mid-roll in my video for the first month and then it goes away. Or you can be a mid-roll for the first year and then it goes away. And you're saying that's something that we would still record. It would still be Marquez doing the ad spot, correct?

And then, but it could be in and out. It's like not baked into the video. It's baked into an ad site. almost like podcasts like what we do how we do it here exactly we record our ads and but they're dynamically inserted and can get changed yeah exactly this is so in the audio world with podcasts when you hear a two-year-old podcast but it has a one week old ad in it that's what's happening is their entire catalog is getting dynamically inserted ads and that's something you can theoretically do with youtube videos with this feature so that's pretty cool that's a thing that will matter in

the podcast world for us and probably in other main channel videos and we can try the stuff out but That I think is really powerful. So that's on top of my list. Auto-dubbing with lip sync. This is really interesting. We know about auto-dubbing, which is AI making a voice. It sounds kind of like my voice, but in different languages. It will also adjust my face in the video to look like it's saying the words in the different language.

And I got a demo of it, and it looked really good. I don't know how well this will work for different types of videos. I'm interesting. I'm so bad want to see what the lips would do with the French dub. We had a couple of things. It just opens all the way. Yeah, that, so, you know, it's great for the demo that I got was just like a clean talking head video.

So it's just a guy talking to a camera. So, of course, it knows which mouth to move to make the language match. Okay. But how will it work if I'm cutting back and forth between B-roll or if there's two people on camera? Yeah. I have no idea how that works. Interesting.

But it's been cool. So that's another one. All right. collaborations you've seen a post on Instagram where both creators get you know publishing credit similar on YouTube it will go to all the subscribers of one of the channels but it will get recommended to the viewers of all of the channels involved in the collaboration that's pretty cool is revenue based on who drove the traffic I think revenue is split between the creators and or or I think

also I think this is something they're gonna let you choose but also you can choose who to share analytics of the video with so you can share analytics with if the brand partner collab or if you want to share it with everyone who is a collab everyone can see the analytics in their studio so that's pretty cool and then there's also things that we have already been testing like a bc thumbnail and title uh testing and likeness detection which i think i've described on here already no have i not i or i spaced out oh uh likeness detection so you know how there's the copyright id system on YouTube where there's like hashes where YouTube auto detects like a part of a song and can go

around and autonomously bring them to a hub for the copyright owner to do what they want with. Similar thing, but for AI recreations with my likeness. So YouTube has scanned my channel, knows what my likeness is, and I have flipped into this tool on occasion and just scrolled through. It's mostly people re-uploading my video, but if anyone ever made an AI recreation of my likeness, it would show up in here, and I could take action on that. What about, like, commentary? Like, if someone is, like, showing a video and they're reacting to it and talking about that video?

That's fine. That's, like, a weird, like, byproduct is those videos also show up in this tool, because it's my likeness also. If you were to, like, flag it, do they get in trouble? That would be an abuse of the system. You should, it's kind of like copyright ID. Like, you should not misuse this tool. Well. It will be aggregating all of the instances.

Universal music group would have something to say about it. Well, you know, YouTube's supposed to be on top of that, but it's... Yeah, okay. It varies. All right. Then there are some also potential doomsday level features that, you know, they kind of... It's YouTube and it's a product and it feels like they have to do this, but like Vio being baked into YouTube shorts, where now if you just... If you give it access to your camera roll and give it like your last three videos in your camera,

roll it will like make a short with a voiceover in whatever style you want of what's happening so like you're doing this stuff on video and it's like commentating for you yeah the example that gave was like you have six or seven videos of you following a recipe and making cookies and you tell it like here's the six videos and you go make this a video with vio and it will go hi i'm making a video of me making these cookies step one is your voice it's uh i i i generation voice yeah i didn't love i'm gonna die this is so boring

yeah i don't know let's keep add and slop to the internet my guys the value proposition the value prop was that this is like not really this feels like one of those things we're like at best an accessibility feature like if somebody has a speech issue

or something like that and they want to do cooking things then have something else dub it for them and like you could pay someone to do that it's just like the robot voice on ticot where like if you don't want to talk you just have the voice do it yeah it's just that without having to type the script I really want to make videos but I just hate making the video what are you talking about yeah we're democratizing there's another you making process so people who don't want to do it can do it like what yeah yeah some of these features really felt like I hope people don't

use it you know are you seeing sorry no sorry Tim just posted this are also shout out we posted a bonus episode yesterday that's really fun it's Ellis and I pretty much talking live at the Apple event and then Marquez and David come in at the end but Tim just saw it next to a trailer for Now You See Me, Now You Don't and it looks like exactly the same Next to a group of people

By the way, shout out to the Now You See Me movies Those movies are really good Are they? Shout out to all the people that came to talk to us While we're sitting out of the Apple Park Also we have more views than the Now You See Me Now You Don't trailer Very good

Okay, more world ending events What's the next world ending event? You know, I think all of the AI generated stuff, like there were, like you could give it some video and it would turn that into a song and then you could use the, I don't know. I didn't pay too much. I kind of spaced out at the AI stuff. Like it didn't seem very useful. I would never use it, but maybe somebody will. This is like Madlib's use of AI. It's just like put a bunch of verbs and nouns and then make an AI generator that does that. Yeah. But then they had some interesting features for live streamers as well. Obviously live stream was huge. A lot of people are doing it on Twitch. or like multi-platform. So they have some things where like it will auto-generate shorts from highlights of your live stream. So a lot of people pay people to do that right now, but it will detect what the highlights are and make sure it's for you based on that.

You can also, you will be able to stream horizontally and vertically at the same time. So you're discoverable in the shorts feed, but then you're also doing a whole live stream, which is cool. Side-by-side ads and a stream, so you don't miss all the action, but you can do mid-rolls without having stuff disappear. And then one maybe interesting one, maybe not, but we'll see, is an assistant built into YouTube creator studio that's trained on all of your stuff and all the analytics performance that you can ask for ideas for your next videos.

They've done, didn't they kind of have that already? It wasn't an assistant, it was like a tab that would be like, these could be some new and it was called inspiration. It would give you clickable, yeah, this one's a full-on chatbot experience where you talk to it and you're like, can you summarize the comments on my last two videos? And then you can ask it, what should I, what should I do in my next video? And give me a title suggestion. And you can chat with it and it'll talk to you through your, it's trained on just your channel, which could be cool, maybe. I have a Google sheet of all of our like past episodes with all the stats and

numbers and everything there. And in Google Sheets, they've had this like little Gemini assistant thing. And it does have like some interesting prompts. It'll be like, do you want me to find the outliers of your top five best performing or worst performing episode and i'm like sure yeah and it does it it's pretty cool so like if they could bring that to youtube studio i wouldn't be mad at that yeah i think that would be cool yeah but we'll see we'll see if it understands what i what i ask it when i say tell me outliers from september of every year for the last 10 years and it has no idea what i'm asking we'll see though all right but yeah youtube lots of new features and lots of ai doomsday level slop it's sick love slop

All right Speaking of Slop We are not slop That's not the That's not the transition We're offended by that Sorry I was reading

The VO Terms of Service You know, just Just things that cool people do Yeah, just a little light reading Guys we talked about a rumor A rumor about a MacBook A rumor about a MacBook That has an OLED screen

This question's either going to be so easy that one of you accidentally blurts it out loud and I have to write a new question or organic light emitting diode I knew that's what it was I was so happy to say it is it of course that's what it was really it

oh no I thought that's no way to define touchscreen you know I knew it because during the bonus pod we were talking about something and Ellis just started going at me about what does modem stand for in front of some guy I'd never met before I was like this is just going to be

That's my bad. That's really my bad. Okay, okay. New question. Oh, okay. So in the next section, we're going to be talking. I'm just not going to say anything now. Yeah, no, no.

No one speak. In the next section, we're going to be talking about Facebook. So, one point per founder, can you name the other founders besides Mark Z? Okay. Yeah, I'm ready. Yeah, yeah. No, no, don't say it. No, don't even, no.

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plug-in hybrid from $599 biweekly at 3.99% during the Volvo Fall Experience event. Conditions supply, visit your local Volvo retailer or go to explorevolvo.com. All right, welcome back. Let's talk about the meta event that happened this week as well because TechTember just will not stop. Let's talk about the meta event that happened this week as well because the TechTember will just not stop. Let's talk about the meta event that happened this week. What comes first? What comes first? What comes first? Meta. What do I do first? Meta. What do I do first? Okay. Yeah, we'll talk about it. Here's what happened. Meta had an event

where they announced all of the latest from their AI smart glasses lineup. And the event, itself was pretty brutal to watch the products are actually kind of interesting and what happened was I went out there to Menlo Park I was just there yesterday as of the day of recording and I got demos of all the products I got to try them I got to form my own opinions on them I had a lot of interesting thoughts and I had some conversations as well with people who worked on them and I came away thinking wow they are really moving quickly on this stuff we had that Orion demo less than a year ago and they were like these are too expensive to ship but this is what it could look like in the future and now suddenly we're actually getting to buy for $7.99 meta rayband display, which has a single really high-res 5,000 knit display on the right side with the wave guides, and it will show things to you in the glasses that nobody else can see. And that's a real thing that's happening. I thought that was pretty fast. And then you watch the event. And they, to their credit, tried to do a lot of live demos.

that's really hard to do in general in the tech role, especially with new unreleased stuff. And with this stuff with all the Wi-Fi in the room and with the internet not being very good and with a buggy product in general. Allegedly. Yeah, it was really, really tough to watch because it didn't work and they kept hammering at home

and trying over and over again, and it was clear that it was live to their credit, but it was very poorly demoed on stage. So I came away thinking the delta in how I feel about the product with just my hands-on experience versus the event was colossal. So there's basically three new glasses products

that we can go over. There's the Rayban display, but there's also an Oakley collab called the Vanguard and then just the second gen of the Rayban Metas. Probably easiest to just start there. You guys have seen the Rayban Metas, right? Yeah. Do you guys like them?

I think that they are more functional than people anticipated originally because the video quality is actually very good and people have used it for a lot of POV stuff. know a number of normies that actually use it for POV stuff. Sure. That is exactly what I was hoping you would say, because the only thing people actually use these glasses for is POV videos.

The other thing you can use them for is to listen to music or talk to the meta-a-I or have it look at your world and answer questions about your world or even if you have a visual impairment, it can be your eyes and describe what it's seeing. There's lots of other functionality, but the main thing that people use it for is. POV because it's a camera on your face. Fortunately, only vertical video. Yeah. Yeah.

So the second generation of this gets longer battery life and gets a better camera, 3K videos up to 60 FPS. And it has a couple extra features like conversational focus mode, which as you're talking to someone will use the beam forming mics to boost the volume of that dialogue into your ears. Which is cool. Which is nice. I think it was the coolest thing I think that they had at the whole freaking event. Yeah.

Assuming you're in a loud scenario. Or even just for people who are hard of hearing. Like, that is so clutch. Exactly. I will say my brain has trouble when I'm in a loud environment and I'm trying to talk to somebody, like distinguishing all the noises. And I can get really overwhelmed pretty easily

if there's like tons of different audio sources coming at me. So if it was easier to focus on one, I think that would help me. Did you get to test this? Yeah. Because I was going to say, like, I'm interested in the input lag between it and then like hearing the voice and hearing it through.

It's not, they're not bone conduction, right? They're just a speaker. They're just speakers... Kind of above the ear. Yep. Yep. Yeah. So I think...

Right into your ear canal. Yeah. These are going to be the same price. They're going to look the same. They just have upgraded internals and we'll do that and have longer battery life. So that's all good. And it's available now. Those are right away.

Yeah. Cool. Okay. Then they have the Oakley Vanguard collab, which is like even more sports focused version. They move the camera, which is still the new 3K camera to the middle between your eyes. And it's this Oakley, like, wrap around sunglasses look with a bunch of different colors. Yeah. They look kind of sick sometimes, I guess, and they have much improved microphones, so in much louder wind noise, it can still hear you say, hey, meta, start a video, or whatever for a video recording you're doing, you can still hear what's happening in front of you.

It'll also do slow-mo. It'll also hyperlapse. They're stabilized also. Stabilization. IP67. So those are going to be $4.99, nine hours of battery life, and available in October. Yeah, they also plug in to garment. if you're a big garment person

and they plug into Strava. That was my favorite feature about these because a couple, I think two years ago we ran to Brooklyn half and we were planning to do a studio video on it and I remember every mile I was taking my phone out recording myself with my friend

and then by like mile nine that's not where my head was I forgot everything I was supposed to be recording I was just trying not to die so like if these glasses would just like automatically record every mile and then do a hyperlapse something that's really freaking one of the biggest features

it can take the run expecting you to do, record it at certain points in the run, and you can also overlay your Garmin or Strava statistics on that video at those things. And it said it would even like pull it up and put them all together, I think, which is, yeah, it's basically doing everything for you for a whole run. It's got much louder speakers. So there's six, they're six decibels louder than the other Oakley glasses. They launched like, what, six months ago? They launched that other Oakley Club, probably last four months ago or so. They have lights on the sides, which can kind of help you keep on your pace target if you're trying to stay to peripherals trying to

stay at a certain speed. They have nine hours of battery life. They put the control buttons underneath the arms of the glasses because they were thinking about people who run with hats or if they're biking, you know, and you have a helmet. You don't want to be able to press it down. There's also another extra button. There's an action button that's customizable. So there's a capture button and then there's like a smaller button next to it that you can make it do slow-mo or whatever action you wanted to. Yeah. So I live in Brooklyn. I see. I see. people running constantly. I see people running with these Oakley wraparounds constantly and I just know these are going to explode. I think

these are going to be the best selling ones. These are going to be insane. They're $500 so they're expensive but they're cheaper than the meta display which we'll get to shortly and the fact that it plugs into all of the most popular running and exercise culture apps I think is a really big deal. This feels like new GoPro to me right now. Like the thing that you buy because you think what you're doing is super interesting and you want to get a bunch of recordings of it. Hey, GoPro was wildly successful with this. Yeah. And like show a bunch of people who are insane athletes. I mean, they literally use Red Bull athletes in there, which feels about as synonymous as GoPro as you can get in terms of

like capturing extreme sports. But I think a lot of people are going to buy these because of stuff like that. And then probably just have them as sunglasses later that plays music because they realize they don't want to record everything. Yeah. So the camera has a 122 degree field of view. It can do 3K video for three minutes. It can do 180p 60 for three minutes. It can do 1080p 30 for five minutes. And then 720p 120 p 120 FPS slow motion, which is interesting. Yeah, I mean, on your note of the GoPro, this is a much, I would way rather just wear glasses while I was like snowboarding that I already needed to wear because it's super bright out versus like strapping something to my chest. Yeah. It's a lot easier. It automatically sinks so it can

it can automatically upload the video to like your Strava when you finish your exercise. Yeah, I think there's going to be very, very popular. And there's a lot of features in here that I didn't expect that I think are actually very useful. Yeah. To me, this really confirms that one of the best uses for it is the camera that's on your face. Yeah. Because there's so much built around it and how it works now. Did you catch, we already talked about how like two live demos went wrong.

But I'm convinced the third one did that wrapped up this whole event, which was Mark saying, we have one more live demo comes out with Diplo to go for a run to the after party and he like puts the sunglasses on they wave to everyone they leave and then he's getting in this group with a bunch of other runners also hella was there shout out he was a great guy he was part of this uh the video for this anyways and then Mark just takes the glasses off and like flips them upside down and looks at them a couple times and then they all just run with like a camera on a car following them I'm convinced it was supposed to be like the walk in supposed to have the overall maybe? Well, no, remember in the walk-in we saw from his point of view when he came onto the stage? I think he was supposed to leave similar to that. And we were supposed to get a feed of the glasses. But the Wi-Fi, again, damn

Wi-Fi, screwing everything up. Yeah. We keep mentioning Wi-Fi because a lot of the live demos failed for anyone who didn't see those. Yeah, and he blamed on the Wi-Fi. It was like, I was waiting for him to just... It was not a Wi-Fi problem. I was waiting for him to yell at everyone like Steve Jobs and say, get off your computer so we can make this work. Yeah. Yeah. So, anyway, that

brings us to the last of the products, which is the $800 full-on meta-rayband display. Not the most clever name, but what's happening here is there is now a single monocular display on the right-hand side that's just off center of your field of view and is really bright and will show you things. And before we get into that,

I want to totally unrelated mention that Samsung just started showing ads on all of its refrigerators. Totally unrelated. Unrelated? Totally unrelated. Anyway, we can talk about the display in front of your eyes at 24-7 now. Hopefully there's no ads coming to this.

But yeah, so if the main use of the meta raybans was having a camera on your face and being able to talk to AI, then this, I think, became interesting because it unlocks a bunch of other way bigger capabilities than just the regular ones. though number one probably is being able to frame your photos and videos because you have the viewfinder so you can really line up and actually frame your shot and see it after you take it and see it after you take it but then the other interesting thing is there's a control band that is paired with these glasses it's the little EMG band that's on your wrist that we showed from the meta Orion demo they're calling it the meta neural band yeah and it's all it's productized now it's nice and fabricy and has like a magnetic strap and like slaps onto the back of your wrist.

And that can read all of the neurons firing through your wrist and all the gestures that you're doing to control the UI in this like display that you see. Yeah. So you can do things like, open up a map, navigate somewhere, and see the navigation instructions with a live moving compass to know where you should turn next.

Can I ask a very specific question that's based on how you describe that that our viewers can't see. You were describing it and you were looking up. All the demos made it feel like it's kind of bottom right corner to me. Where, like, where is it in your vision? Down and to the right a little bit. And what was really interesting, remember Orion,

you could like, I could look at you and see that you're looking at something because it was like lights were on. Not a hint of that at all. Really? Absolutely no light leak. I can see that's crazy. But this is also specific where Orion was full field of view, like in front of you too. Totally.

Yeah, different tech, double. versus single lens. But that was still cool that I could be reading something and you would never know. Another thing you can do, live transcribe or live translate whoever's talking to you.

That seems very helpful. Super, super interesting and potentially useful. I could be talking to you and again, a loud room and it would use the beam forming mics to understand that I'm looking at the person in front of me

and to put the text, the subtext from what that person is saying on the glasses. So it could be super loud and I did a demo of this and it worked very, very well. And then I turned around and a different person talked to me in this loud room and it stopped listening to that person and started subtitling the person in front of me and didn't listen to my voice because it's obviously coming from me.

So that's really cool. The translation part could also be awesome. I think that was cool. This seems like to me the better way of doing that versus the like delayed audio coming back at you because you just got subtitles. But this is something to have a full conversation both parties need to have. Yeah, if it was two different languages. well yeah

presumably you would be doing it right like if I can't if I don't understand Spanish I'm probably not going to read it and then speak it back yeah right no the subtitles were also for English like you can just use them

you can just use them for your own like yeah yeah that's nice which is cool it would be really nice to travel through another country with this because it would just be a lot easier to understand people

yeah understand but then you can't communicate yeah you can't communicate back you still got to do the like just hand gestures and stuff back I just want this for my everyday life save sentence put the glasses on Take glasses back. I already watch all my movies with subtitles, so why not realize?

Wait, could I watch a movie, and it could put the subtitles, but slightly below the TV screen, so now the subtitles aren't in the TV? Wow. Yeah. So deconstructed the same titles. It's all the rage right now. Yeah. Okay. You can also view your messages.

You can take video calls, which they tried to do a demo up on stage that did not work, but I got one to work. How did that feel? So, again, it's a small. bottom right hand not corner but lower right hand area of your glasses view but it's color it's decently sharp it's legible and if i turn my camera on the person on the other side of the call can see what i'm seeing so i did do a video call it worked you can text uh which is pretty good with your voice but i also did a demo of the handwriting yeah unbelievably good yeah so this this demo actually did work live on stage really quickly and really accurately and effectively what it looked like

was you had the band on and you just write as if you have a pencil in your hand and it knows exactly what you're writing quickly and accurately shockingly so i could be texting someone right like this with my hand in my lap and you would never know and every single letter i'm writing i'm just literally writing the letter in plain english how's your handwriting fine i think oh you think you're handwriting that's a good test we should do a handwriting test version but yes uh I picked it up super quickly. It's not using the camera feed at all. It's just using the neural input.

I was shocked by how good that demo was. Like how good that tech has gotten in the year since we tried it on a Ryan. Can you only message through WhatsApp? Because I know you can only do the video calls through WhatsApp. Yeah. So, okay, here's the downside to this, right? I don't know anyone that uses WhatsApp. This is a meta product.

And it is a new platform that does use your phone to connect to the internet, but does sort of exist in a separate world where you're not really taking your phone out your pocket. So the philosophy is it needs all of its own first party actions. If you're messaging someone, it is through WhatsApp because Meta owns WhatsApp. If you are scrolling through social media,

it is Instagram because they could just built in Instagram feeds. The music, they have a partnership with Spotify, so it was doing it through that. The maps were mapping services that they built in. Oh, it's not Google Maps. This is data that they've borrowed that is probably not going to be super real time

and probably not going to have great traffic data or anything like that, but they have a map service built in. And so they have all of this stuff built on platform and ideally that's the stuff you use. Oh. But I don't necessarily...

So trying to just get people into this like magical meta ecosystem. I don't, I think it's kind of, it kind of feels like they're trying to force you into using meta services, but also I think by design has to have its own stuff. Like, if you rely on the phone, but the phone manufacturers will never give you full, like, API access to use, you know, I message or, like, data from all of the stuff going into the phone, you have to build stuff that doesn't depend on the phone. Yeah.

So they just have their own services. It's frustrating. It's fair, but as a consumer, you basically just told me I can't text message or video call on it. Yeah, literally. Because that is what's up and I don't feel like. I mean, we're in America. Yeah. This will be popular in Europe, I guess.

Yeah. Yeah. So if you want to text people or video chat people, it will be with WhatsApp. Yeah. So that's a bummer here, but a lot of people listen to this are like, great, I use WhatsApp. That's great. So all this stuff, because of the display, is much more useful. I think the maps are super useful. I think the viewfinder is super useful. I think live translation and transcriptions of subtitling the world is super useful. And all of that is enabled by having a little display component to this, which is really cool. Can you give me a size approximation between, like, regular meta-ray bands, which are already a little thicker than raybans and, like, Orion's that we try? Split the difference, I think. Split the difference, I think. They are definitely thicker than regular meta-ray bands.

That still seems too thick for everyday use. Impressive that it fit in there. I'll still say that about Orion. Very impressive. Too thick for everyday glasses. Yeah, you know, I was wearing them for a couple hours when I was doing my demos and shooting on my footage and they're plastic and like I found myself like they were definitely weighted very well but they're also they're 69 grams and yep that's what I said and they're just a little

too heavy for me to wear them and not think about them I can wear the basic ray bands and not think about them yeah these just have a little bit extra compute a little bit more with the projector and the wave guide and all that and it's just a little too heavy they uh they unfortunately also mentioned you can watch Instagram reels on them and yeah that's how you know we're headed down

a dark path so you remember the Wally clip we've all seen the Wally clip you can literally sit back and do have the gesture

with the EMG wristband and just Mark has opened your mouth just a little farther yeah yeah and you can just be in your own world

and no one can see that that's what you're doing you look like a guy spaced out with his glasses on looking at the sky but you are flipping through and actively watching Instagram ratings.

And all the clips are AI generated with V-O-3. I wasn't sure, I haven't made this video yet, but I wasn't sure if that's how I want to intro or exit this video. Both. Are you, like, genuinely, are you okay? Are you okay with, because when I was on Metacampus, lots of people wearing thick-framed glasses everywhere. And I just instinctively was like,

you guys are all wearing cameras on your faces. Yeah. Are you cool with having a conversation with someone and seeing their eyes drift a little bit to the side And not knowing if they are watching something, reading something. Or if they got an ad. If they got a call. Like, what are they looking at?

Are you cool with that? I already get anxious enough with my phone buzzing in my pocket when I'm out with friends. I don't need notifications coming in the side of, I mean, if I ever use these, I'm going to turn everything off. Is this worse than checking your smart watch in the middle of a conversation? That was the argument is that yes, it's better. I don't think it's better. It's better because they don't know. It's not better.

It's better if the other person does know. I don't want to not know because I can be like sorry I need to check something real quick I guess it's from both sides like from the other person's side if you see me pull my phone on my pocket and check it

or look at my smart watch that is worse than if I'm like having a conversation with you and it looks like I'm kind of looking at you but I'm actually in reading so I'm reliving my trauma from my mother I don't need that I don't need more of that it's the same it's just less of a chance

they notice so that's just like I think that's just as bad you might just get away with it There was a lot of lines in the keynote and from Zuck and from Boz and just about like being more present and not taking your phone out all the time. And there may be valid instances of that like, oh, you're on a hike and you see this really pretty view off the side of the mountain. Do you take your phone out of your bag and take a picture or do you just boop and move on? Or like for maps, I get that. Or for maps.

I understand. I think they're cool. I think there's plenty of reasons that this is neat. Yeah. But Instagram rails. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Exactly. And the fact that you can't even see it. The pitch is being more present, but you can easily be way less present. Right. So it's double-sided. Isn't that how everything is sold to us, though? And that's the financial incentive of meta, right? Like their whole business model is based on engagement.

So the more time you can spend scrolling while being present, the more it works. Every tech company that tells you this is how we make you more present is just trying to sell your thing so they can make you way less present in everything. Well, it's also like meta has tried to make a lot of. phone before like we can't skip over that smartphones are dominant and they tried to make phones yeah and that's failed several times and now they're moving on and they've renamed themselves meta and they're very concerned with the metaverse and they want this next technology to be post phone yeah and the only way to do that is to sell you on this being better than your phone and slowly weaning you off your phone they'll never replace the phone maybe maybe someday maybe you'll you know i mean

move on but yeah not well everything that it can do is in their own little ecosystem like i was going to ask did they say anything about opening it up to app developers opening what up the glasses like the glass being able to video call like the first ipphone didn't have an app store right so like it was all things app right and then when the app store hit it was like a big explosion are there plans for that with this you know i had some conversations and i'm probably maybe we can pull that in uh with boss where he talked about like the first few generations of it have to be first part of And then once you've gotten people to embrace the platform, then you can start, like, adding other things. So hearing that sounds like, yes, they plan on having other apps and having APIs and things where developers can make cool stuff for the glasses.

But they know they need to have their own first party stuff working and useful out the box, like the first-gen iPhone. I guess that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I guess meta wanted to make the metaverse and be the next generation of the internet, but that totally failed. so now they can be this they opened this event

our goal is to build great looking glasses that deliver personal super intelligence and a feeling of presence using realistic holograms and these ideas combined are what we call them they haven't forgot okay zuck they haven't forgot

the metaverse just rebranded the meta because they changed their company name to meta and they need to make it work still I had to write that now when I heard it I was like I did to write that I'm like that's not what you said the metaverse was two years ago 10 years later they're like we're making an e-scooter

and it's the metter this whole time we knew yeah ads on your fridge so yeah I am interested to try these out these are going to be

$800 which is a lot of money 800 I mean $800 is expensive it's a whole phone It's very expensive It's an iPhone iPhone air Well there's a thousand

It's an iPhone It's an iPhone 17 17 17 that's what Ron But Yeah It is augmented by your phone So it uses your phones Yeah, it's definitely a lost later device.

Like, they're probably losing money on this. Yeah, but they want to get it in. At least on that, I mean, no, they're losing money on the hardware, but they're, they're, the, dude, the, if you can scroll Instagram Reels on that thing, dude, like, think about how. And then also just like, think about how much data they could collect. Yeah. With, with, I know. And especially once they ship the EMG bracelet, dude. Yeah.

Well, the EMG bracelet comes with it. Yeah. Oh, this ship. They're a bunch of it. It ships with it. Yeah. When I read the press release, it said not for sale, but I guess I meant individually. Like, it does come with the, yeah, bro.

Like, think about when you're on Instagram. I don't know. Yeah. I know. This is going to be like a cash cow for them, assuming people actually adopt it. This is why I removed all the social media from my phone before this happened. Okay, so they get up to six hours of mixed use battery life or 30 hours with the charging case, which is collapsible. That was cool.

Yeah. It's like a little origami foldable. I'm sorry to say the case is fire. It is incredible. So the case has battery in it that charges the glasses. Yes. And it gets it up to 30 hours. Yeah.

It's pretty cool. Isn't that sick? Yeah. The case is 5x battery charge and also folds flat in one second flat. That's crazy. It's kind of awesome. It's pretty sweet. I have footage of me folding it like on my first try and I was like, this is the greatest

case ever mold. Yeah. It's pretty sick. It is interesting. I think meta is the company that is going to be able to like advance this category faster just because they're more invested in it because it's like their whole thing now. Google would make more sense from an app ecosystem perspective

also Apple but it's going to take them a lot longer because it's not their priority meta has to make this their priority yeah meta has to make it their thing and be kind of first and flashy with it I'm hyped for like the third version of this or the fourth where it's like regular glasses

and like a ring like a ring instead of a wristband I think the wristband is the specific tech because it's also a little bit fashion or they make a smart watch like it's a piece of tech that you're wearing They can make a smartwatch that has the thing built in. Maybe.

But I think they've been developing it specifically around the wrist for so long that I think it has to be the wrist. But I talked to them again, I was like, okay, so this is a piece of tech that people have to wear on their face and on their body. It has to be considered in some way fashion. You have to make it look good and presentable. And they've done a good job about it.

I think when you guys see the band. Yeah. Looks pretty normal. Meta brought back the 90s. We now have slap bracelets and transition lenses again. Oh, yeah. These are also transition lenses, by the way. which yeah unfortunately it's one of those things where you try to do two things if you try to do

two things in one device it does both of them badly yeah the transition the transition lenses on these metaglasses are not very good i don't know the transitions on my meta raybans right now are pretty good are they they never they're never good sunglasses yeah but they're really good clear right i think that means they're bad at transitioning sunglasses oh yeah yeah well i guess they're bad at the thing that protects your eyes yeah wait if they're good at being clear that means they're good at doing nothing. No, I guess a two and one is usually bad at both. You're saying they're good at being clear, but are bad at being sunglasses.

But are bad at being sunglasses. At least there's something. Yeah. Yeah, I'm curious who ends up purchasing these, but, yeah. Are you going to review all of them? I think I would like to use the vanguards for recording P-O-V, either Frisbee, but also auto focus for driving. You want to jump off a mountain?

And maybe, yeah, maybe action sports GoPro stuff, the type that you'd like, you know, put a action camera on your chest or your forehead for, that type of stuff. And then I think I'm going to keep waiting as far as smart glasses because I think, based on

how much I use their services, the Google one will be better for me. If it's the Android XR experience where it's like plugged into your Android phone, this is the advantage of Google's like they have a smartphone operating system they can make a plug in just work yeah it's going to work better with the stuff that's on your phone and I think that's going to work better for me yeah so instead of trying to shoehorn my life into WhatsApp and like really test it

yeah I think it would be I think the the Google ones can be better for me yeah it's not out yet so all right daddy to Google can have my data instead of daddy meta I mean they already have all my data yeah that's a lot of smarts but yeah I mean that's a lot of smarts but also a lot of data Exactly. Well, speaking of smarts, trivia. Thank. That was good. Thank you very much.

Better than my previous one. Side note before Ellis tells this very great question. My favorite part of the bonus episode was when we came back with a guest and Ellis just stared at the camera for like five full seconds. For audio listeners, that's probably going to be confusing. It's definitely confusing, but editing it, I was cracking up. So definitely go watch that anyway. Can we give that a proper announcement? If you're, I mean, if you're on YouTube.

In the beginning. Yeah, we did. Where was that? Oh, whatever. Who cares? Where are we? Guys, I have a new trivia question, which it's always really, really, really hard to write trivia questions about meta because every single piece of, like, historical, you know, list about meta is just hundreds of pages of lawsuits. But when you weed through the lawsuits, you can find some really interesting stuff.

For example, the stuff that forms this question, which of the following. two meta products was shut down first. These are former meta products. Product one is called Lassow. I've never heard of this. It was a TikTok competitor, a vertical video sort of thing aimed at teenagers.

Shocker. The second best... It's horrible. And it's called Lassau. Yeah, to rope them in. Rope them in. Not transpran. That can't be real. No, these are both real. Our next product is called brain damage.

The next one is called Libra. It was renamed Diem at a certain point. This is a Facebook cryptocurrency that the U.S. government and the EU and the Swedish government or the Swiss government all said, no. So which one of these was shut down in an earlier year?

I am not asking for which one lasted longer. I am asking the shutdown year of each of these. Which one was first? If Waveform just had one collective no to any... technology company every once a year what do you mean you're just saying like they all we got to say we just got to say no like like the power of these people just be like no you can't do that yeah waveform should get one collective that should be a part of the waveform awards that's good like our no of the

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Hey, happens to the best of us. Enjoy some goldfish cheddar crackers. Goldfish have short memories. Be like goldfish. All right, welcome back. We have heard rumors of a Rivian e-bike for a little while. In fact, RJ kind of confirmed but not confirmed it on a Daniel Tosh podcast episode, which is a good listen if you haven't listened to it. It's a weird mix of words. It was a weird mix of words. But.

It is the 90s. Micah Toll from Electrek just went through one of the teaser videos. I think on Instagram because I can't find this teaser video. But apparently the new company name. also that just claims they were making a new electric vehicle of some sort they posted this teaser where a bunch of people are riding around on the new e-bike but has this big blur on it so you can't see what it looks like at all well micha went on and one frame by frame and there's multiple frames where they just missed blurring the bike completely so now we have the bike

here it is it's silly looking looks like it looks like those compact bikes that like fold up where like the wheels are very small and you kind of ride a bit higher off of them. This better have amazing specs because I've seen so many e-bikes that are like, they're designed to look like they're not e-bikes. So they have a pretty compact battery like in the post that are pretty hidden. So it just looks like a normal bike. This does not look like a normal bike. Why is there a man in a penguin suit? Let's go. I think the whole video I think was very like whimsical about things, but it is very funny that we're just looking at a leak of a man in a penguin suit holding a on a tennis court.

Yeah. This has got a huge box. It's got a huge box by the pedals. It also has kind of like these cargo rails and a basket on the back. Nothing about this screams I fold up except for the fact that it kind of looks like those types of bikes. It doesn't really feel like a Rivian product to me. Well, technically it's not, although R.J. is leading also and they have investment from

Rivian. So it's pretty much a Rivian product, but it's not technically a Rivian product. This is a bad tech company name on the same level that 1 plus is a bad tech company. not great every time you try to use it in a sentence it's confusing but it's going to slap as a podcast title one week but one plus sounds like you're about to say something and then you don't say the rest and so does also yeah like when you say oh there's this company also that has a bike what what company also also files for bankruptcy also yeah yeah but this does this not kind of yell bigger version of boosted scooter fiasco of like yeah we've got something really good going

for us let's make something the boosted scooter remember the boosted scooter it was very it was it was a thick scooter it was just like what took them down way too intense way too expensive and in a category that had plenty of others like there are so many e-bikes right now and it broke the finger of a verge reporter that's as long as this bike doesn't break any fingers so news reporters maybe it'll be fine uh-huh yeah i don't know it scares me a little bit because there's always grumblings here and there of rivian like do they have enough to make it through are they going to stay alive blah blah blah and i really want my r2 so if a freaking e-bike ruins my chance at the r2 i'm going to i just want the r3 man i just want that cross track it looks so just feels like they got a good thing

going for them and this feels like a very crowded space yeah there's a lot of e-bike companies there's a lot of e-bike companies there's a lot of e-bike companies there's Probably a lot of cities trying to find ways to tone down e-bikes because they're kind of the scourge of some cities, the way people drive them through like... Yeah, I mean, scooters used to be that too. Yeah. In New York, we have city bike, which is, it's in the Lyft app, but city, the bank, it's capitalism. But now they're replacing all of them with motorized ones. All of them?

They're trying to replace all of them. All of them? Yeah, which honestly, I think they should because the regular ones are so heavy that it feels. like it takes more energy to pump the wheels than it does to, it's like, I could walk. I would assume a large company would regulate them properly, because isn't there like a speed limit on what they're

supposed to be able to do? Yeah, it's like 20 miles an hour or 25. They work great. Yeah. They work great. They're great. City bike is a beloved program. Yeah, no, people love it. I'm saying city bike, if they, when they do e-bikes would probably follow the regulations where there's lots of other people in the city who are buying e-bikes that are going way faster

than they should. Yes, and then also the city bike e-bikes are not the throttle. e-bikes. They're the assist. They're pedal assist. Yeah. There are also a number of e-bike companies that are basically just motorcycles and they get around. They say that they're e-bikes because they have pedals, but they are still able to go like 50 miles an hour. They say you need a motorcycle license to do it, but they will like let you unlock it anyway. So, yeah, there's a lot of weird loopholes. I always remember like those scooters coming out and they always had like a 24 mile on our top speed because technically if you hit 25,

they would change categories or something. 24 on a scooter is fast enough to kill yourself. But the boosted could go, it hit 24 and you're like, oh, this is limited to 24. Yeah. All of these things would work if we built roads for them, you know? Solar freaking roadways. Yeah, and we're held.

Oh, obviously, yeah, don't ever get on anything without a helmet, please. Bike lanes are. I mean, they do. But if, you know, think about how much, also, also, you know, think about how mad car drivers get about bike lanes all the time, you know. Yeah. Well, it's not mad, and it's an easy parking spot. Jeez. I am joking.

Please, I am joking. Welcome to New York. Welcome to sarcasm. It's a very welcome to New York. Yeah. Um, okay. Anyway, last little story before we do trivia. Uh, this is just a really quick hit.

Nothing have released the ear three, which is, uh, their earbuds. And the case has a quote unquote, super. mic on it, uh, which has a giant mic button that you're supposed to talk into. And I think that their mindset with this was sort of how all the TikTokers have the wired ear pods that they sort of talk into now. And they also have like the mics that the clip mics that they talk into. And it's supposed to look like low quality and fun. Uh, and I will admit that, you know, usually the earbud mics are pretty horrible because they're not close enough to your mouth and they're pointing the wrong direction and all of these things.

And this is supposed to be better. Some preliminary testing from Don Preston at the Verge said it was not that much better. Wow. It's interesting. There are also some big problems with this, like the fact that it can only do it for calls, voice notes, and memos in the essential space, but currently you cannot record audio from the cameras of your phone through it because apparently Android and iOS do not give access to that.

see um yeah it uses the primary mic only and that primary mic can change if you have something plugged into like the USBc port but because it's a wireless device apparently cannot take over the primary mic slot for some reason and nothing is urging these uh the platform developers to change this but it seems kind of weird to release a product that's centered around this before you can even do that so just like the meta products it seems like if you use voice notes and memos in the essential space on the nothing device then it's useful

yeah so specific very specific I still want them yeah my toxic treat is how much I love the nothing ear buds despite how many I've had that have broken and just done terribly yeah I still love these I have started to see more of these in the city I've seen quite a few

of them in a city actually I never see any nothing phones in the city but I see a lot of the buds correct interesting yeah I think the buds are in that a little affordable spectrum. It reminds me of a dictaphone and for that reason I liked it. What is that? You know what a dictaphone is? Back in the day when like the world was way, way, way worse and only women knew how to type. The way a lot of business stuff was done would be that men would have these pocket tape recorders and they would record a bunch of thoughts and memos

and stuff. And then you'd put it in a pneumatic tube and it would get shot through the building to a room full of women typing. It would get that cassette and then type up. what you recorded. Holy crap. And then that would get sent out as the memo. But just as like a pocket, like a handheld voice recorder. Right.

And I think there's something sort of. Yeah. I like the idea of like putting something up to your mouth, recording something real quick. Yeah. I guess it doesn't work. I mean. I watch those that.

That's true. Yeah. We'll have to test us ourselves. I'm sure we'll get some units in. We'll have more thoughts later. But something we, another thing that we have thoughts about is, trivia

Just play that Almost smooth I was hoping it would kind of You know All right quick update on the score Marquez with four Andrew in the lead with seven And David

Way behind All the way in the back Bringing up the rear With two Yeah I'm crying in the club right now This is crazy All right so for one point Per founder

Can you name all of the Facebook founders besides Mark Zuckerberg. Go. No. I mean, I guess one other person that I know is... Well, that's how this question originally started. Can you name the other founder who's, like, famous from a movie and yada, yada, yada? And Ellis was like, let's up the end.

I can't do that at all. Make it plus one. I'm saying I'm naming one other person that I know works at Meadow right now. Oh. Is it Baas? Is that right? No. Then I'm wrong.

before we start this oh no just flip him and read what do we got oh my god wait I don't know I'm wrong

this name came to my head but I might be totally wrong because what did you put I can't see Cheryl Sandberg she was not a founder but she was their first like director of like communications I said

Spider-Man because in the movie it was um no yeah we get it what's his name Andrew Garfield Spider-Man the actor who also played Spider-Man so what was his name in real life in real life it was Eduardo Savarin that was one he's the one from the movie social network there was also Andrew McCollum Dustin Moscovitz and Chris Hughes Dustin also created like Asana or something oh really he's very he's very this guy's the master of cursed software yeah and he's also

He's like very anti-Facebook on socials. Yeah. I can see that. Interesting. Well, none of you got any points. I never would have got me. Even though there were many chances for a point. But I could do the YouTube founders.

Guys, which of the following meta products that no longer exists didn't exist first? Hit it. It was unexisted. Yeah, was unexisted first. Lassow, the TikTok competitor that, oh, sorry, just got a leg cramp. Just sort of got folded into Instagram reels, but it's no way. longer a standalone platform to reel in the kids yeah oh whoa conspiracy lasso reel it in Instagram reels is this real life what's the name of the other one the cryptocurrency who cares

was it called it's called it was called Libra and then they changed it to DM yeah they care because they got to answer something um did you write or did you wrong it's which one was shut down at an earlier date, an earlier date. This felt like a trick question. All right, Marquez, you put... I put Libra. That is incorrect, unfortunately. Libra was shut down in 2022.

I know. The obvious one seemed like Lassau. Mm-hmm. So I played myself. When was that? But I put Libra. Lassow was shut down in 2020. Yeah.

Lassow barely lassoed Tid. Yeah. I thought you were going to say it's like cruising around somehow or like just, yeah. Libra was weirdly like big news when it came out. because there was all this regulatory stuff about countries being like, nah, nah, nah. And like so many huge American companies funded it with Meta Visa. Yeah. And then like it was big news for a while.

Then it disappeared for a really long time. And then randomly in 2022, yeah, 2022. I just saw some random story that was like, meta officially shuts down its Libro Kipto. And I was like, that's still around. Technically they didn't shut it down. They sold it to another company. I don't know if it's private equity, but they. They sold it to some sort of ownership group with the expressed idea that that ownership group would shut it down and then write it off for losses on the 2023 tax year.

Hooray. So exciting. We love it. Well, David. Yeah. You just got a point. One point. Let's go.

Bringing you to three points. Heck yes. Marquez. In second place, you're currently rocking a solid four points. Andrew Add those two together Big Dog ginormous scores right now

seven points That's pretty good Andrew has 50% of all points awarded in this season of Wayform trivia It's incredible You love to see it

If I hadn't ruined OLED We would have gained on Andrew That's true Well you did I did that's what you get That's what you did to me Marcus The question was actually Just what does the O stand for

Organic That's it That was a question. Still what I got that wrong. I ruined us. The O stands for Oled. It's a backer. It goes all the way.

It's like, do you remember the joke? I think I told all the pod. What is the B and Benoit B. Mendelbrot stand for? What? It stands for Benoit B. Mendelbrot? The mathematician responsible for the Mandelbrot set? Oh, you did.

The fractal pattern that repeats itself, the more you go down. Oh, that's funny. This is a funny joke I've told on the podcast before. That's funny. I remember when we talked about fractals. That was like three years ago. I know. Wow.

I know. Do you remember that? Yeah. Well, Marquez, Venus. I remember after handing the jokes. Yeah, I'm sure it happened, though. Just like this episode, for sure happened. Thanks for watching.

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