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This week, Marques jumps right into it with Andrew and David about the OpenAI vs Scarlett Johansson drama regarding one of the voices from ChatGPT 4o. Then they dig into the new Surface products from the Microsoft event and David explains why the move to ARM is such a big deal. To close it out they talk about a feature that Rivian is adding to its cars and a different feature Tesla is removing from its cars. Enjoy! Links:  Scarlett Johansson statement: https://bit.ly/4axIUkb Wired article David mentions: https://bit.ly/4c8UpjB Sci-Fi joke: https://bit.ly/3UTutkP MacObserver Circle to Search news: https://bit.ly/452CGrx Decoder interview with Sundar Pichai: https://bit.ly/44S63wF Dave2D Video: https://bit.ly/44YWhJk Rivian Adding YouTube and Cast: https://bit.ly/44XgmQ6 Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Socials: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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What is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. This week, we've got Circle to Search on iOS. Nice. We've got Microsoft's co-pilot event.

Nice. And we're going to wrap it up with some Google Apps being added to Rivian software. Also nice. But first, something not so nice. The naughty list. I'm already on with the segues. Open AI and Scarlett Johansson. Where do we even start

with this? We can start with last episode. We can start with the movie you guys still haven't watched. I still haven't watched her. Wow. I have not either. But I now understand the references. Actually, I wouldn't have understood this whole article or fun if you guys didn't explain it to us. Guys, this movie formed my entire personality.

If you want to understand me, do you want to break down what happened in the movie no no no no yeah no spoilers the news oh regarding the scarlett johansson association i think andrew should break this down i'll break it down a little more plugged in last night than i was this is also perfect because i didn't watch the microsoft event so you guys can explain that to me later but scarlett johansson uh yeah we talked about last week how she was in a movie called her which has a lot to do with ai we saw sam ballman tweeting her right before their chat gpto event last week and not tweeting scarlet tweeting the word squeak yes tweeting the word her in reference to the movie that scarlett johansson is in yeah um then in but like voices was the voice the like name like like literally as closely connected to what samantha yeah um so then they come out with the event and there's a voice in

chat gpt called sky which sounds apparently very similar to her voice i can't be the judge of that because i've never seen the movie and i haven't watched a bunch of scarlett johansson stuff i don't know if it sounds everyone seems to agree it sounds like scarlett johansson's voice from the movie and part of that is in her story so scarlett johansson responded to this voice the sky voice by putting out a statement um saying that about nine months ago sam altman or maybe a year ago or so sam altman reached out and asked her to hire her to be the voice of the chat chat chat gpt system she declined then again right before this newer one was released she contacted her or sam altman contacted her again asking her to reconsider she declined then chat gpt gets released with this new sky voice that sounds

just like her to the point where she only found out about it because her friends and family messaged her saying this sounds so much like you did you do this um to which then she was not happy yeah because they basically used her likeness um i will say open ai has claimed that it is not her voice and that it was never intended to resemble her. They claim they casted the voice actor before Sky's voice, before they outreached to her at all. And out of respect for her, they've paused using that voice in the products currently. But I think the problem here is the mounting evidence against them. Yeah, that tweet is not looking good for you, Sam.

Sorry, bro. mounting evidence against them is not looking good for you sam i think sorry bro i think if he doesn't tweet and scarlett johansson never comes out with being asked to be the voice they they get away with this and it's just this like little joke i don't know why you want to make this joke from everything i've heard the movie doesn't put ai in a very good uh it's not a necessarily bad light it's like it's kind of this like retro futuristic world and everything's kind of nice but then at the end of the movie without spoilers the kind of theme of the movie is oh actual real human in-person connection is more important than a chatbot even if a chatbot can like emulate having a real relationship with you yeah the the deeper he

gets in his relationship with samantha the more actually like cripplingly sad his own life gets yeah sounds like a cool voice to model your brand new uh big feature after big tech for some reason has an obsession with like recreating things in movies that are extremely dystopian go terribly wrong i don't know if we talked about the bumble thing last week but bumble is trying to like they're literally trying to create a service on bumble where you create like your own chatbot modeled after your personality and it dates other people's chatbots oh no to be to try to match you to people who the chat you don't even have to do the talking yeah so this is literally a black mirror episode in which this is the whole

point of the episode and this happens in the episode and i don't really know why all of these tech companies are like let's take this thing that's supposed to be a warning and it's very dystopian and it's trying to say don't do this and try to exactly make it happen. Instagram got halfway there with like, creators can enable like an AI that's sort of trained to represent them to answer DMs. You mean the funny guy?

No, to answer DMs from fans. Which is also extremely dystopian. Right, but it's only halfway there because it's real fans talking to an AI that says it's an AI, but it's also trying to kind of act like me. But two different AIs talking to each other is hilarious. Yeah.

And then you probably get like an AI summary of your AI's conversation with the other AI to see if you want to date that person. Oh, God, I hate it. Insane. We did get a bunch of comments last week saying to make ChatGPTO talk to gemini and have and see what their conversation would entail that would be interesting it would be pretty fun yeah it's kind of like when people had uh google assistant talk to siri way back in the day or like when you used to call dominoes and papa john's and put them on the phone with each other or it's like when samantha admits to theodore that she enjoys it's a it's like 11 years old i don't don't spoil it i think a lot of people are

watching this movie for the first time now this that is a good point there's probably a chance that some people just heard about it from our episode yeah and then uh maybe you're going to watch you have two weeks you have two weeks and then the spoilers are coming full spoiler episode yeah so i will say the the voice as soon as OpenAI released the voice model and the ability to talk to ChatGPT, which was like a year ago, it was quite a while ago, the voice already kind of resembled Scarlett Johansson's. But I think people are just now starting to realize it because one, it's getting more attention and hype and people didn't really use the voice model as much before yeah and two in her samantha which is the ai assistant's voice is very like oh theodore what can i do to help you she's like very flirty and very like kind of like cute and you know human and uh the new 4.0 update makes the assistance a lot more human-like and flirty the inflection likelection makes it seem way more similar.

Also, Scarlett Johansson kept calling it 4.0, which is just kind of, I think, proof that GPT-4.0 is a confusing name. Because that's not what it is. Letter O, not 4 number O. Make sure it's lowercase, too. Yeah. Ridiculous.

Yeah, I'm just reading the OpenAI statement and it just seems like both things can't be true. They start by saying, it was never intended to resemble Scarlett Johansson's voice. But then right after that, they say, out of respect for Ms. Johansson, we've paused using the voice. Why?

If it was never intended to represent her in any way. They're being the bigger person here. That's what they're saying. Yeah. Yeah. Did you, I think like all the evidence beforehand like again if this comes out and it just semi resembles them and there's not them reaching out twice showing how much they want her to be the voice yeah and sam tweeting her directly before like the evidence is against you there's nothing you can do to prove that this wasn't that it's like milk it yeah it totally aged like milk and it's just because they wanted the

funny laugh and they're gonna get the funny laugh in court now and there are so many tech ceos that have just tweeted things that ended up being terrible for them it's like guys just don't tweet you could just not tweet no i, I prefer they keep tweeting. We need more calls. I would like them to keep tweeting. Did you see the, there was a meme going around of Mira doing the face when they asked her about if they rip YouTube content for, and then she was just making that face.

It was like, did you use the voice of Scarlett Johansson? Also immediately after 4.0 came out people someone one of the audience people asked like was this modeled after scarlett johansson she was like that's really funny a couple people have asked that recently and we've never like thought about that before we've never heard of that before it's like if scarlett johansson's story is true then yes you have unless sam altman didn't tell anybody on his team what he was doing it's good media training you know that saying where it's like never never blame on like intentional meanness what you could just blame on tribute to attribute to incompetence thank you

right nobody you can just in a simple world assume that they didn't mean to do what they did. Sure. I think this is not one of those cases. I agree. I agree. Yeah, also, if it's true that they reached out to Scarlett Johansson and then Mira specifically said, what is this? We've never seen this before. That just makes me think they absolutely trained on YouTube data. youtube data like it's it's already been fairly clear considering how like roundabout they've

been being like uh we gotta train our model when they're asked the question of if they train on youtube data they just work around the question which means yes but now it's like definitely yes to be fair they say this is a voice actress so my guess is they pick someone who sounds i just want to i don't know if you're saying no they're not training they didn't use her voice from no i'm not saying the voice on youtube data i'm saying training the multimodal ai yeah okay i just want to make that big question that everyone's been asking them for the last few months yeah yeah at the end of the day this just felt like they kind of they knew they didn't have their permission and they tried to skirt it by anyways. And maybe there were a couple too mean too close

to the sun. Well, it's interesting because there's multiple outcomes here. There's the outcome in which they did hire a voice actress, did try to hire someone that sounded just like Scarlett Johansson. There's also the option where they literally scraped her voice from a bunch of movies and created a model and just tweaked

it slightly so it wasn't quite her voice. We bunch of movies and created a model and just tweaked it slightly so it wasn't quite her voice i think we don't know that would be super hard to prove we'll see what any of this is proving but i there would have to be like a litigation they'd have to do like discovery to be able to know that yeah i it felt like they were trying to do it and not get caught yeah and i think the fact that they made it so similar that scarlett johansson's family reached out to her is what bit them well like what we were saying this morning it's like if you ask someone permission and they say no and you are simultaneously trying to be the biggest ai assistant in the world they were going to find out yeah they're going to find out you can't just like you can't just assume that scarlett johansson will never hear this voice like you're

open like think about this you're open ai and you're one of the biggest companies in the world, and your goal is to make an assistant that everybody in the world wants to like and use, and you tweet, like, cleverly, her, you know, lowercase. It's just that tweet. Just because, like, it's kind of a thing. Everyone's, like, already. There's no way you then don't expect Scarlett Johansson to ever find out about this. Sam Altman needs to print a picture of that tweet and hang it next to whatever computer he tweets from.

Yeah. As a reminder to just type it out and press the X button. Feels just as good. And then you don't find yourself in a pile of shit later. Yeah. Fun fact, in the movie, Scarlett Johansson was cast after it was pretty much shot and edited like it was a different actress doing the voice for the whole imagine they found the other actress that would be amazing that would be crazy uh impressive yeah one more thing though

before we switch away from open ai is they also announced that they partnered with reddit so now open ai can scrape reddit data to use it for their model what do you call that library model model yeah for the large size model yeah yeah that's fun if i had if i was worried about ai's hallucinating i think the last place i would want my ai to scrape data from is reddit comments because if you use reddit you know that it is simultaneously the best place to look for things and also the toxic hellscape of the internet. The funny thing is, even if it's not hallucinating

and just making stuff up, it's also potentially going to be wrong. Because a lot of people on Reddit just say things. Yeah, it's interesting because it depends on what you want to use it for. If I was looking for answers to factual questions, I wouldn't think this would help at all. No. if you want it to be really creative and think of insane random off the wall stories like i'm sure this is great for that well i'm i think that also they just need more data to

train what natural human language looks like yeah and there's an insane amount of humans making typos and like talking about experiences they've had and all sorts of stuff on reddit comments a bunch of different types of words and the good thing about reddit data is it has context kind of built in already based on subreddits and stuff i guess it's like i feel like the reason reddit is a great place to try and look at something you're looking for is just you get to use the context of what you already know and then get to use a comment based on replies and upvotes like that's a great way to be like use a comment based on replies and upvotes like that's a great way to be like oh this one has a lot of upvotes a lot of people agree with it and also here's a few counterpoints under it can it can it use that context i doubt it well i would

love to talk to a model trained on the highest voted and then a model trend on the high the most down voted and see how different they talk yeah that would be a great video yeah i don't think they're necessarily trying to like pull information from reddit i think they're just trying to add to the model because there's a bunch of stories that came out a couple weeks ago that a lot of these companies ran out of words to train on like they basically scraped the entire internet and so now they ran out of words and there's a few companies that are looking into training models on other models output because they just generate output. And then they they're like, well, we need more.

We need more. And I input, you know, there's there's multiple camps for this. And I am not an engineer, so maybe it's OK. But personally, I feel like every time you start making a photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy, it just loses relevance and starts to export that JPEG over. Yeah, exactly. It's pretty much the same video a thousand times yeah it's pretty much the same thing when you say words do you mean tokens i don't we're not going to answer that no no no we did get that wrong last week we said we said it was not wrong it was. Yeah, we did say a token is the smallest bit of discrete information that a transformer model can process. But we also said in a language model, it's often words, which is not true.

It can be prefixes and suffixes and itty bitty bits of words. I still really. There was a lot of people also saying how google did a poor job at explaining how much to two million two million tokens was as context and i agree because i still don't i think i can't grasp that's why i asked last week yeah there are a lot of people in the comments saying like that this is awesome like this is huge news and i was like wow i didn't get that from that at all and maybe i'm a moron but like i feel like i'm in this space enough where i should understand the grasp of that and i don't i didn't the reason a 2 million token context window is awesome besides the fact that you can put

37 cheesecake factory menus in there 96 96 even better dude that someone left the funniest comment yesterday where they were like ellis just said, was laughing at Google for saying 96 cheesecake menus as like a unit of measurement, but then went as far to say 1 20th of an inch instead of 1.27 millimeters. We don't do those here. We don't do this. What? No, we live in America. Come on. um no the reason that a two million token context window is good is because like the bigger your context window you can have you could put a full book into well not a full

book with you know a small novel maybe you could put that into gemini and then ask it questions and then you have all the context of the entire thing is there a representation this is where i could have used a graph not a cheesecake factory menu graph um i'll also before we stop talking about reddit i also just have to say steve huffman um because this is just more proof that reddit only cares about making as much money as possible yeah cool to the list they steve does not care about any reddit users he only cares about money and i hate him for ruining that website and the app still sucks it's actually worse yeah it's is so bad. It's horrible. Somehow Relay still works for me.

Well, Relay now is a paid app. Oh, you pay for it? Okay, yeah. Yeah, because they... They found a way to still actually recoup and pay for it and use the API tokens, but I guess a lot of other ones, it was like not able

for them to do it. Yeah. I just want to bring up these two articles real quick. Oh, yeah. I brought this up vaguely last week, but there's this awesome Wired article called, I'm once again asking our tech overlords to watch the whole movie about her, which is very funny. Because like we were talking about, just like a lot of these tech CEOs just try to create the things that in the movie it says explicitly or maybe implicitly to not create and they just do it anyway kind of like how apple

recreated the ready player one intro scene for the vision yeah it's like that's a total hellscape yeah just saying yeah just saying uh and then there's... I forgot they did that. There was this tweet by Alex Blenchman, sci-fi author. From three years ago, too. From three years ago. Sci-fi author. In my book, I invented the Torment Nexus as a cautionary tale.

Tech company. At long last, we have created the Torment Nexus from classic sci-fi novel, Don't Create the Torment Nexus. Speaking of Nexus, which was a a google phone and therefore speaking of google and chrome speaking of terrible segues and circle to search coming to ios nice i gotta cut us off eventually yeah there's been so many people asking us to stop that yeah i'm sorry i'm sorry we apologize but we're keep doing it. I'd like to take this chance to apologize

to absolutely no one for my segues. I'm going to keep trying. You can't get better if you don't practice. Yeah, you don't get good at these. Do you want great segues? You think I'm just going to

come up with them off the top of my head? No, I got to practice. You get to not getting better. I need to fail forward and in public to get good. Maybe it's writing.

I need to write these outlines with better connections between them. Like option segues for the previous article. Here are some segue options. Speaking of terrible segues. Circle to Search is apparently coming to Chrome in iOS. You've got to read the headline, Circle to Search on iOS. Yeah. Now we got you listening sounds nice

but it's just in chrome i mean it's a google product so they're like bringing this cool circle circle to search is awesome and i still use it every day on my s24 ultra but like it's a nice it's a nice feature i super don't have it i've been loving circle searches someone who loves google lens on my camera and i know you could do it before but circle search is so much easier just yeah in context in the apps that you're using i use it all the time i think this will be sherlocked in a month when uh apple has wwdc it probably has some sort of contextual i'm really looking forward to me too dude there's a lot of stuff coming that we assume is coming at wwdc that is really like things we've been looking forward to for a long time that make a meaningful difference to products that we use.

Yeah. And hopefully products that we're not using like Siri and hopefully can get really good. Yeah. This sounds like a conversation that happens before a really boring WWDC. I don't, I don't know. We'll see.

Dude, they're supposed to have RCS. Everything about this year screams. This is a good one. Yeah, I agree. We'll see. And we'll also see like what's going to be new for vision pro. Yeah. Because. Everything about this year screams this is a good one. I agree. We'll also see what's going to be new for Vision Pro.

And the Apple Car. Right. If we do get Circle to Search on iOS, it's going to only work in Safari. It's going to be Siri-based. Circle to Search? It's going to be on phone and nothing that has to do with Google at all. I think they'll put it in Safari. you think they'll put something like that in

safari no it's not gonna no it's gonna be like on device it's gonna be os based the reason circle search is so good on android phones is because it's not only in your browser yeah it's in like instagram and tiktok and youtube and twitter everything like yeah that's what makes it good that i almost feel like the times i'm actually searching on google on my phone or in chrome is so little yeah and then like most of the time i'm like clicking a link through a different app or now circle of search is finding that thing yeah do you know what i hadn't thought of how is that going to potentially screw over affiliate links in video content like if you put an affiliate link to a charger that we have or even do an ad spot for like anchor and now instead of clicking the link on the bottom i guess we don't do affiliate

links like that's a great question andrew and we're thinking deeply about the answers to that part of the reason it's worked out well in the past is because we've thought really deeply about how to do it right yeah did you watch you watch the Sundar interview? I did. Yeah. It was pretty bad. Okay. Shout out to, if you haven't already, Nilay Patel from The Verge interviewed on the Decoder podcast Sundar Pichai, CEO of Alphabet and Google.

They talked about a bunch of AI at the top of search related things and Nilay had a lot of valid points about like, okay, you're driving a lot less traffic to these websites now. Like the whole model of the internet is like, people search for things and then go to the websites

from search and drive a lot of traffic through Google. And what if that just stops because you've just given people the answers at the top. And so many of Sundar's answers were like, we think a lot about this and turns out the incentives will work out. Like things are just gonna work the way they should like i didn't really get a lot of concrete no uh evidence other than him assuring us that click-through rates are actually higher for links in ai summaries which you should watch there's zero chance i believe that there's a full there's a full video

version you should watch it it's. I need to go watch that. It's really good. It was good. The thing that Sundar kept saying was like, oh, in the past, we've mostly seen that the thing that's good for the end consumer is what ends up winning out. So the consumer wins. And it's like, cool. We're not really talking about the consumer here. We're talking about the people that make the content and it's like yes it is true

that probably consumers would rather have a generated web page that has a potentially hallucinated answer on it yeah and then maybe one percent of them will click the links and go look at the website and look i agree the modern so the modern web kind of sucks like there's if you go to any website there's just ads everywhere it's slow except all your cookies except all your cookies because gdpr it's like annoying i get it however if we cut off the hose that makes the content and these ais are still hallucinating things and there was a part in the interview too where sundar like like subtly said like the hallucination problem is kind of a feature and not a bug oh i i i heard i heard that i heard what he was trying to say but it didn't i don't want to gotcha him but yeah he basically

said he leaned into the meme of that saying i think he basically said like it's still a problem that is inherent to transformers and we can't really change it but the benefit is if you're trying to be creative it allows for more creativity which is like technically true but doesn't solve the underlying issue that makes all of these ai systems feel too unreliable they still have a truth problem where it's like if you just want it to be creative that is one version of a tool for ai where the transformers are really good at being creative and coming up with things. But if you're Google and you're trying to give people factual answers to queries, that's a different use of AI that it is not as good at. So it's a feature over here and it's a bug over here. And I'm just trying to break it down to the fundamentals. Like you've solved it

for this, this fun questions to to gemini give me a story write me a speech type thing but it's not solved for give me answers to questions on the internet which feels way more detrimental to the population it's a very important couple quirky stories the nail interview was very good he pushed back on sundar a lot and this is the most frustrated i've ever seen sundar get which sundar is also one of the chillest dudes I've ever seen in my life. Is this visual? Because I listened to it in the car so I didn't watch it. I was running next to David while listening to it. We were both on a treadmill and he's just

looking over my arm running on the treadmill watching the facial expression of Sundar. Sundar gets visibly frustrated and uncomfortable but he's still Sundar Pichai so he's still the most relaxed guy in the world. If he was more like Elon he would have just ended the interview. Because he was that close.

There was a point in which he said, which Nilay said something, and Sunar just goes, that is so far from the truth. Wow. That is so far from the truth. Far from reality. Reality.

I have to see this. That's a strong Sundar statement. It was interesting because Nilay specifically called out, there was in the Google ad, as we have seen in many of these generative AI ads where they'll just get something wrong. There was a point where they asked, like, how do I fix my film camera that's jammed? And Neelai pointed out that one of the things it said was to open the film camera and adjust the film, which ruins all of the film. There's some weird, like, there because the the bullet point right before

it said press the rewind button if there is one and technically if you rewind your film you can then open the film camera and then get the film out but because it was in bullet point format as like a number of different things you can try and not necessarily like an order ordered list and so neil i brought that up to sundar and sooner was like you know i ran this by some film photography experts and they said it was fine and i'm like okay well that's kind of just that was their film photographer ai model that's confirmed yeah it was kind of like semantically based and so yeah if it was like do this and then do this and then do this if it was rewind the film and then open the camera it would make sense but because it was bullet

point based there is kind of an issue that's a legitimate problem though it's like semantics matter and like yeah i agree you can completely screw something up in that situation if you don't correctly like yeah list things out i don't know i would argue just to go back on you said how like this new ai search they're saying is better for the consumers. I've had it on my phone recently and I think it makes searching more annoying lately because now I search the window pops up and then I also get this it takes up the whole first part of the screen that's just like AI initiating and like figuring it all out and the best part is it gives me an answer I scroll down and there's still those little boxes of like frequently asked questions and you click one and it's like the exact same answer yeah but this one on the bottom was loaded already it's super bloated and then you don't get any links unless you scroll down really far yeah

i want to opt out of the redesign there is and just use old google search well there is that new button web search now that you can press and i wish you could rid of all the google widgets default it yeah i would love to default that yeah yeah it's a weird world but anyway shout out to that interview you should go watch that interview yeah there's another i haven't gotten to watch this video but it's a creator i like a lot named hippieotech and he just did a video called it's not just you google sucks now and it's google has a big problem and about how google search has just completely changed recently i probably should watch it before i recommend it but i like all i like his content and he's usually it's a great great video or

great title good creator okay hopefully a good video a lot of trust in this one yeah um i just really quick with the circle to search on iphone thing on chrome this is like very clearly google trying to protect chrome's market share, because there's a lot of like, they have slowly been losing like a little bit of market share for Chrome. And I think they're starting to panic about it. And especially on iOS, like, yes, you can only really do this in Chrome on iOS, you could also probably do it in the Google app, which is the app that they now have Gemini in for some reason, there was someone sorry, just interrupt you. There's someone saying there is a weird way

to shortcut this with Google assistance to do something like circle search on iOS. So there is a hacky way of doing it. There was like, it takes a screenshot and then it uses Google Lens to analyze the screenshot. And then it pulls up a Google search based on your Google Lens query. And it's like a automated.

Some people do some crazy things, but sorry. Yeah. No, basically that that i just think that they're like kind of worried about chrome and they're just like trying to protect their market share which they have like 86 percent market share and so it's not but it used to be it used to be higher so yeah do you think this is enough of a feature for people to use chrome over safari on ios no i didn't think so i don't use an iPhone, but I'm assuming most people just use Safari on iPhone as their web browser.

Yep. And I don't think this is changing that. Yeah. Especially like you said, when DubDub probably will have a feature basically exactly like this that's on device. Yeah. And actually being able to look at the screen. Yeah, then it's like why do you need to use it? No point. Yeah, so. Alright.

I think that's a pretty good place to take it to break that's a good break spot first we should do it naturally you know as we do when we take breaks typically there's also a trivia question oh i'm not sorry all right right. So it is clear. AI is the talk of the town. Has been this week, was last week, was the week before. It's the theme of the year. Until it talks about itself. It's everywhere.

So in that spirit, what component sits between the ink supply pump and the ceramic crystal in an inkjet printer? I'm just kidding. That's not the actual trivia question this week. But if you know the answer... I knew that would paper. No. The ink supply pump. The actual trivia question is, the first ever industrial robot named Unimate worked at a

General Motors production line in what U.S. state? This is going to be a trick question question how could it be a trick question because it could be washington dc which isn't a state okay it's not washington dc no that's not that's not what i was going it's not puerto rico also not a state uh it's not guam it is a territorial it's not pennsylvania which I don't consider a state. All right. Well, Andrew doesn't get the point. United 50 states, right? In fact, it's not in Hawaii or Alaska.

Okay, so the continental US. Indeed. Cool. Do you know there's people who they see the map with Hawaii and Alaska off to the side and they think those are two islands next to each other they're not i do know i've met multiple people grown-ups no who still kind of thought that i have a family member who uh was shocked to find out that alaska is not in fact an island and i couldn't even be mad i was like he was like it's right next to hawaii on the map and i was like it's the funniest part of's right next to Hawaii on the map. And I was like, oh my gosh.

The funniest part of it is just thinking of the climates of both of them. And like the photos you see of Hawaii are like the beach and the jungle and waterfalls and volcanoes. And then Alaska is like grizzly bears and snow and elk and like snowy mountains. That would be a hell of an island. It would be a sick island. If Hawaii were cold, it would probably kind of look like island that's it it'd be a sick island if hawaii were cold it would probably kind of look like alaska if it had all the animals my grandmother had a bike yeah my grandmother had wheels

no i'm just it's got it's got look it's got it's got mountains you know what i mean there's a lot of there's a lot of topographical activity has a mountain um and it is a mountain. It is a mountain. It is a mountain. Arguably. They both have dense forests. And... Yeah. California could also be discouraged by this. That is true. Wait, have you never seen that video

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On Monday of this week, there was a very long, interesting Microsoft event in which they announced Copilot Plus PCs. It was like kind of a Microsoft event, kind of a Surface event, kind of an AI event. They had a lot of different things that they announced there. They also announced a bunch of OEM laptops, mostly because they're moving

towards the age of the AI PC as they call it. Mostly that just means that they're repackaging Windows 11 with a ton of built-in AI features, and to enable that they need a chipset that can actually push those features forward. Wait, Windows 11? Yeah, which in this case is the

Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite and push those features forward wait windows 11 yeah which in this case is the uh qualcomm snapdragon x elite and uh x plus processors which were announced last october at qualcomm tech summit in hawaii so we're finally getting those well yeah we've talked about windows 11 i thought you just said yeah i agree i just figured new version of windows but i guess that's kind of not very often i mean original originally they were saying windows 10 was going to be the last version of windows but i guess that's kind of not very often i mean original originally they were saying windows 10 was going to be the last version of windows and then randomly they're like 11 i like 11 a lot yeah 11 is great i mean yeah they're just gonna go hey it's windows 11 again but this time with copilot right i feel like they know that every every couple windows updates they hit the bad one yeah so they're really worried about that. It's alternating. Yeah, I know. We got it. Yeah.

Yeah. No, it does alternate. Is it alternate? 10 and 11 were both great. I don't think people like 11. Really? No. I like 11.

Actually, I don't even use 11 at home, but I liked 11. I use it on my old laptop. It feels nice. Vista was bad. I like 11 a lot. Vista was terrible. Or maybe 11's a good one. No, people liked 10.

8 was terrible. Yeah, because 7. 8.1 was fine. 8.1 was good. 8 was bad. It was XP was good. Vista was terrible. 7 seven eight point one seven was great it was bad it was xp was good vista was terrible seven was good eight was horrible exactly eight point one was good yeah but i think i think it already had the sour taste and everyone's about that dude it's like eight as a whole sucks eight was when they were trying to make windows mobile happen and

instead of trying to make windows mobile look more like the computer they tried to make the computer look more like the phone. It was always so funny when you had to go to the tile that was your desktop, and just be like, never let me see this again. But then, yeah, then 10, great. Mostly because it wasn't 8, but also 10 was good. And now I like 11. Yeah, so they kind of broke the curse.

They broke the curse. But now they really don't want to push it for the next one. Yeah, fair enough. Okay. 11 forever. I want to give some context on this whole like shifting over to ARM PCs thing. Thank you. Because you were trying to explain this to me yesterday and I need a full explanation. Okay.

Yeah. So this, these new Qualcomm Snapdragon X elite processors, not the first time Microsoft and Qualcomm have tried to make ARM based computers. Famously, they tried to make it in 2019 when they released this new computer called the Surface Pro X, which was an ARM-based, Windows on ARM, it's gonna happen this time, guys,

for real, for real. Wanted to be good. And they co-branded a processor with Qualcomm that they called the Microsoft SQ1. Around that time, Qualcomm had released the Qualcomm 8CX processor, which is an awful name and was made for Windows on ARM computers. However, at the time, nobody really wanted to sign on to Windows on ARM specifically because it sucked. Good reason.

Yeah. Totally fair. Qualcomm made a lot of fanfare about the fact that their emulator, their Rosetta-esque translator emulator was really good, really efficient. The problem was that it only worked with 32-bit x86 Intel-based applications. And at that point in time, most professional applications had moved to 64-bit. So you had this problem where only super old apps were working on this translator. So you could use the default Microsoft apps on the Surface Pro X. They kind of worked, and that was good.

But if you tried to use anything else that you download from the internet just wouldn't run games usually just wouldn't run if you could get them to run the emulation would be so slow that it was basically unplayable extremely expensive computer uh it was a lot better it was like they made the design a lot better they streamlined the bezels they made it look really nice it was good hardware but considering it was an ARM-based PC, the battery life was pretty bad. And there was just no reason why you should buy a Surface Pro X over an Intel-based Surface Pro at the time. You mean it was bad for an ARM PC, right? Yeah. The Surface Pro X was also that tablet-y. It was a Surface.

Yeah, so the surface pro has always been the tablet that has the attachment keyboard and so they made the surface pro x which was their attempt at windows on arm i remember seeing this yeah at microsoft that year but nobody was invested in windows on arm and i'm not sure if it was because it just sucked or what but like none of the oems wanted to get involved in it and so you pretty much only really saw like the Surface Pro X and maybe like one or two other computers come out. So that was their first run in 2016. And then Apple did M1.

2019, sorry. Yeah, 2019, not 2016. And then Apple released M1 and has just been totally smoking them for like so many years now that they're finally like okay guys we really really really need to actually make this happen guys like for real this time for real this time for real for real this whole m chip thing is like pretty good over there yeah probably do something about it i think this just showcases like the difference between vertical integration and being someone like microsoft slash qualcomm slash asus slash asrock

who is like all trying to work together to make something that works versus apple who just makes everything themselves like it's cool i love the idea of separation um and having all these different companies like come together because then you have choice you have a lot of choice but it makes it very hard to make these things work there's clearly pros and cons of both situations yes um so anyway on monday they held an event in richmond that again was like part surface event because they did announce a new surface pro which i think they just called the new surface pro which is funny um and then also a new surface laptop in two different sizes and these are primarily going to be arm-based computers that run on the new snapdragon x plus and snapdragon x elite which in a lot of synthetic

benchmarks are eclipsing m3 and i actually went to a qualcomm event um like a month ago in which they showed me all of these benchmarks and they were specifically comparing it to M3. And it was before M4 dropped on the iPad. And I think that's the whole reason that Apple put out M4 in its most basal form on the iPad is just because they knew that Qualcomm was going to compare X Elite to all the M4 stuff, or M3 stuff. And the X Elite processors

are specifically geared towards AI because they have 45 flop NPUs, which the M4- How many tokens is that? Those are words that mean things to me. Yeah. They have a more powerful neural engine. Yeah, their neural engine.

Yeah, exactly, exactly. So the Qualcomm neural engines are really really beefed up and i i think that's exactly what microsoft wants specifically too because all of these features that are coming to windows 11 and satya is always like we've entered the age of the ai pc it's mostly based on that neural engine um so yeah now the now the m4 is out m4 also has way beefier neural engines it's just we don't really know what it can do yet because Apple hasn't had the developer conference in which they release features. Oh, we know what it can do. It can take pictures of documents and remove shadows.

That was actually the thing I was the most excited about, to be honest. It can do stem splits. It can do stem split, which is kind of cool. Yeah, but like, I don't know. I want to see what it actually does on computers. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So yeah, Microsoft's event was basically to like really showcase the X Elite and X Plus

processors that are coming out. It was an OEM based event. So we got new laptops from Acer, Asus, Lenovo, Dell, HP. And they announced some new features in Windows 11 that are AI-focused. The biggest one that most people are talking about is a feature called a recall. Yeah, this one's interesting. Which is interesting. I've heard from some sources that the internal name for this was Total Recall, which is very

funny and kind of a nod to that movie. But this feature is basically, it takes snapshots of your screen every five seconds when there is something different on your screen and it stores that in a cache and then that's a lot of smarts but also a lot of data yes i look to choose perfect perfect and it uses all of those snapshots as contextual understanding of like what you're doing, what that page or window or whatever is. So that if you, I don't know, you were texting your friend or emailing your friend the other day like, oh, what's that barbecue spot you like? And you don't remember the answer. You ask the recall feature.

Bring up the email where I was talking to Jessica about that barbecue spot. And then it brings it up because it has this like list of things that you've been doing on your computer for a long period of time. Yeah. This is sort of the dream of what we want an AI assistant to be in a lot of ways, because it's just like it knows everything that you've been doing and therefore you can really use it to help you. Yeah.

It's like a superpower. Yeah. I think it's a pretty, a very interesting feature. I want to get one of these laptops in to actually test and see how useful it actually is. Yeah, it's you a lot of control over it, so you can turn off recall's ability to scrape apps on an app-by-app basis if you want. So you can say, never read my Gmail app or never read Edge or whatever. And you can also just turn it off entirely if you want, but it is opt-out, so there's that. And Copilot is also getting more deeply integrated

into windows 11 like providing suggestions in the settings menu um it can edit files and file explorer for you and they're also wait can i butt in sorry i don't want to go too far away from recall because the first thing i thought about this was when i used to do it and being like i wish every person in this office had recall so when they could say like i don't know what happened it just the screen just went blank or like this happened i could be like i'm sure you didn't and then type in the thing that i told everyone not to do and watch them probably do that and break the computer by themselves my dad always says that my dad is like the computer just decided to do this itself and it was like no dad that's not a computer this wouldn't help that but one time one of my bosses was like

the screen just went blank and i came in i was like oh that's weird like he's like i was just writing an email and i looked down under his desk and the computer was like sideways on the ground and i was like do you usually keep it like laying down like that so you don't knock it over he's like oh no it's usually stint what like how david does it was like a tower like but some people did on their desk put it like that and he was like oh no it's usually standing up and i was like so you kicked it in the thing i was like got it so probably probably got knocked over huh he's like yeah i guess and i like put it back up and plugged it in the back he's like whoa thanks man and i was like holy yeah i know what happened yeah yeah yeah so i don't know i i think

this is a super interesting feature assuming people aren't too creeped out by it um yeah people are pretty creepy that's a big assumption that's a big assumption yeah yeah i would i would like to see if it's actually useful though because like like, I don't know. There's a lot of AI features that come out that are like in this very explicitly specific instance, it could be useful. But this is something that's sort of just like there. And if you ever have a question, you could look it up. And I feel like that's kind of nice. This is how I could see it is it comes on. There's people who are going to opt out because they think it's creepy.

And then they're going to hit a scenario where they're like dang i wish i had that on i really could have used that and then i bet they turn it on yeah what is that scenario though because for me it's looking for memes that we talk about do i really want this turned on to find the mind we spoke about last week that yeah i mean like find a deleted tweet that you saw and you're like oh that was really funny but now it's deleted or like i didn't even think about that the worst thing about threads is that when you open threads and you you like instinctively go to refresh it but then you see the first thread on the page and you're like oh wait i'm kind of interested in that and then it refreshes the whole thing and you're like that happens on twitter also never see that ever again what's twitter that's or i mean i've had youtube

also where something's been on the recommended page on the front. And like, as I'm clicking refresh. Yeah. I'm like, wait. Oh, wait. What was that one? And I'll never find that video ever again. Yeah.

Recall. Yeah. Recall. Yeah. Solves all the terrible social media UX designs. You could literally be like, what was that fire post that I just missed while I refreshed? Yeah. You meant this one.

Yeah. was that fire post that i just missed while i refreshed yeah you meant this one yeah so i'm i'm very interested in how intel responds to all this because intel is just like an aging aging aging company that like qualcomm and arm were always going to be the future right like obviously phones got faster and had better battery life and that's obviously what we eventually wanted for computers and apple did it and it worked and so now microsoft and all of their oems are like all right we're really really putting our best foot forward this time and this is actually going to be the future and it is nice to see that a lot of oems are actually making a bunch of laptops that are uh that are x elite powered because last time it was pretty much just microsoft and the the one laptop they released for

it sucked so these laptops look sick they look good i want like five of them yeah the surface laptops yeah so we can talk about the new updates um there's a new surface pro which again they're just kind of calling the surface pro it's the first time they've put an oled panel in the surface pro as an option although the oled panel does add 500 um which is quite a lot uh but it is available with the wait no no but you also get the the upgraded chip with that 500 yeah you get yeah you get the xle version so it's not only a 500 sorry yeah yeah yeah true okay yeah there's the X Pro chip and the X Elite chip. The X Elite chip is a lot more powerful. So it's nice to get the OLED in there. And then they also announced a new Surface Flex keyboard.

So prior, the Surface Pros were like, they would be a tablet and you would attach this keyboard that was also kind of like a folio. We've seen that happen in every tablet known to man at this point. But the keyboard had to be attached to the computer in order for you to use that as keyboard now you can wirelessly use it when you take it off of the tablet which is kind of nice that's one of those things that felt like it should have just been happening the whole time yeah but i never had a battery

in the keyboard it was just powered by the pins i also like that the keyboard it looks like there's an alcantara version and i kind of missed the the old surface laptops that had that option yeah yeah the alcantara was nice i have a question david sure about the surface pro so is the snapdragon x elite a like sort of unified platform in the same way that Apple's ARM platform is where the memory and the storage and the motherboard and the graphics processor are all like on one board? Yeah, I believe so. Okay, then assuming that is true, you can only put 16 gigs of RAM in this thing, which makes it not a very pro device. Do you have the super fast memory memory does it seem like we'll get the super fast memory swap on this that renders ram a little bit less useful or is this another microsoft product that they're

calling a pro product and then just expecting people to yeah go make a sandwich microsoft pro products have literally never been pro products almost ever the surface pro series has never been fast yeah so you know it's more about the flexibility i guess i'd forgotten all about the i knew they had some sort of tablet but i forgot it was called the pro so when you said surface pro before i just assumed it was like and i just always think it's just like the nicer laptop oh yeah seven or whatever but the tablet that has the touch i'm super excited about this thing as someone who at home uses their asus zenbook fold and really enjoys it this just seemed like a better version of that but without like what am i supposed to do with 16 gigabytes of i can floss my teeth with 16 gigabytes of ram you know what i mean that's

nothing this has 32 gigs i'm specking one out right now and the highest option is do you have x elite yeah hold on let me double check all this okay um well that new chrome tabs the new surface flex keyboard is very cool however it is 350 dollars um which is the same price as the apple 13 inch ipad magic keyboard i was wrong you can't back it up to 32 gigs okay 30 good okay cool my bad you know floss your teeth with that. But again, the Surface Pros have never been pro devices. Also, just saying, the second highest tier option is called Dune.

Instant. Isn't that just the color? Oh, f***. Misinformation king over here. I'm off the podcast. Wait, also, I've got a thing up right here that says surface pro flex keyboard with slim pen 449 because you're getting it with the pen is there a way is it is the pen the pen like 90 bucks wow or maybe if you buy it with the computer i keep also reading this as

slime pen and it's so much more interesting than slim is insane yeah that's a lot i don't know yeah it's a lot of money and i just gotta say both to apple and microsoft stop charging 350 dollars andrew let's be real you've spent more on do you know how sick of a keyboard i could build for 450 dollars yeah yeah that's true it's not the same thing maybe i should do a short of that this is extortion like how much keyboard can you get especially considering on the surface pro you can barely use that as a computer without one of the keyboards you kind of need it and you can get the cheaper old ipad but it's like yeah the ipad pro it's literally called the pro but like most people but the ipad is also focused around

using it as like a touch screen tablet device and like adding the keyboard is sort of like i want to make this a computer now whereas a microsoft tablet is not as useful windows is not that useful as a tablet it's just they try they try to make it that way but it's just not it's mouse and keyboard first yeah i have to say they do a good job of showing some examples of where this now new wireless keyboard would be uh like nice one of them is in here he has like the tablet on a coffee table with the kickstand and he's using it on his lap but like that would be awesome on a plane because now i have it on the thing but i'm not the one typing my keyboard making the guys in front of you like shaking put in your. And then he also has this cool situation

where he has the tablet semi-propped up using the stylus, but then he still has the keyboard to the left with his left hand to do shortcut keys. That's cool. I bet Tim would find that pretty interesting. Yeah. Except it's Windows. Yeah, I figured it out.

As of on the pre-order page, you can only pre-order it with 32 gigs of RAM if you choose the platinum color. The pro platinum? Otherwise, if you choose sapphire, black, or dune. We were just talking about this with Apple. If you get the pro versions of things, you get boring colors. It's because those are the most popular colors by far.

Because you don't offer us better colors mystic bronze that's an old an old one okay call back call back okay in the laptop we also have a new surface uh laptop and there are two sizes um which is nice they they made the smaller size slightly bigger it's now 13.8 inches and there's's also a 15 inch. Also both OLED. Both 600 nits. Not 10. Not tandem. Starts at 16 gigs of RAM with 256 gigs of storage for $999.

I also want to say, in order to use recall, you have to have 50 gigabytes of storage available. Okay. Which, if you buy the 256 gigabyte model that means you only really have two which is kind of less than probably less than 200 because the os takes up storage you're probably only really going to have like 150 gigs now the benefit of the surface laptop is that there's a slot and i think on the surface pro as well there's a slot on the back where you can swap out the memory extremely easily um you can add in memory just on the back of the computer. Memory or storage? Storage, sorry.

Not RAM, sorry. That's good because I floss my teeth with 150 gigs. I don't even know how that analogy would work. You know what I mean. It's so thin that you could... It's like nothing. It's nothing. It's worthless.

I wake up and I blow my nose and 16 gigs of gray is coming right out. One thing really cool that I think is also worth pointing out, Dave2D pointed it out in his video, is the bottom of the screen now is rounded so all four edges are rounded and I never noticed that and now I can't not see that on my MacBook.

I was about to say that. The MacBook is rounded at the tops but on the bottom it's not. I never noticed this. Now it bothers me so much. This is funny. So you don't notice it as much on the MacBook because most of the apps round the corners on the bottom. And then the dock makes it so the app isn't full screen unless you're using full screen mode. But it's a lie.

But you just don't notice. But yeah. What background am I using? They're darker on the bottom, so on the bottom it's harder the backgrounds are always darker on the bottom apple designers yeah they know what they're doing they've been hiding it's hiding notches yeah when the when the iphone still do it yeah when the iphone 10 first came out with the notch they intentionally made yeah the wallpaper is gradient to darkness notch or dynamic island well it was a notch there well now they still kind of like creatively hide the dynamic island with darker colors but they are a little bit less uh they're more about it it's like a feature now so they want to show it off a little bit discerning difference in yeah like ai is hallucinating yeah it's a feature not a bug

uh yeah so the laptop for me is a lot more interesting than the surface pro um in this scenario because they actually upgraded like a lot of things on the laptop that is very nice um they now have a haptic touchpad very similar to the macbooks so it's kind of the same thing where there's not actually a physical button but it's a motor that presses back on you i'm very interested in seeing if that's comparable to the macbooks touchpad it's kind of the same thing where there's not actually a physical button, but it's a motor that presses back on you. I'm very interested in seeing if that's comparable to the MacBook's touchpad. It's probably about the same, which is pretty cool. There are now two USB-C and one USB-A, whereas prior I believe it was one USB-C and one USB-A.

And then they have the Surface Connect charger on the right. And they're saying that it can get up to 22 hours of video playback which is pretty comparable with the macbooks pretty good yeah and this is kind of their big move to unsee try to unseat the macbook air as the most popular computer in the world basically um because the macbook air just sells like hotcakes because everything about it is incredible yeah it's already i mean like i i loved my surface laptop i don't remember which one it was because all of them look exactly the same which i don't think is a bad thing i think it's a really sleek nice looking laptop i love traveling with it it was small it's way easier to carry around than this thing yeah um the problem it will never beat the macbook air but that's not

of its own fault it's that windows has a million competitors it's just like why one android phone is never going to beat an iphone could it's like there's way too many different ones to pick from and different price points where if you just want careful andrew careful you just mean in pure sales and pure sales yeah i think it's oh yeah yeah sorry that's what i it's semi-comparable to the pixel because google makes android just like microsoft makes windows and then they have a flagship device that they want to show off that OS on. And I don't think normal people care about that. I agree. And they do their best as far as vertical integration,

but it's never quite as complete full stack as Apple's top-to-bottom thing. Well, this was my question to you yesterday, David, because I also think the Surface line is very similar to the Pixel line and google eventually started making tensor their own chip yeah i was asking if you think microsoft will eventually make well they tried to make their own chip with the sq1 which was like a custom design chip with qualcomm which is basically exactly what google did with tensor because snap because uh samsung actually made the chip for them, but they designed it. So it was similar where like Microsoft had a lot of input in the design of the processor for the co-branded chip, the SQ1.

I could see them eventually doing that just because they're investing so much in AI that I could see them being like, we want our own chip that Qualcomm will manufacture, but we will like design specifically. I'm sure every major tech company is basically like, we would like to make our own chip at some point. Yeah, I mean, OpenAI is trying to make their own chip.

So yeah, which is crazy. Him. Him. That's a great, yeah. They also made the Surface laptops a little bit thicker in the middle so that they could put the Snapdragon X Elite chip, the best one in it.

So now when you buy a surface laptop you get like the fastest new arm based processor that there is okay theoretically these x elite processors are extremely good at emulation have extremely good battery life and can run everything hopefully they took their blunders from last time and actually made a translator that is just as good as rosetta they say it's just as good as rosetta too so i really really am interested in like trying to play games on this thing right because if you want to play valorant on on this like it's an arm-based computer can emulate it well you know like on my macbook pro i play dota 2 and i get 144 fps out of it now that is compiled natively for linux

and for mac which is cool um but it's going to be interesting when it sits emulating yeah so yeah it was a pretty big event that had like a lot of stuff in it i think the big things were uh the new chips recall and the refreshed computers and there's also a bunch of computers from all those other oems so there's a lot of articles online if you want to go check out those other laptops as well i think it's like comparing these i know everyone wants to be like this is the macbook killer the macbook air like this is going to be better than the macbook air but i feel like microsoft mostly should just want to take over the windows segment of laptops like they are also compared competing against

dell hp and all of their other partners which i guess they still you know are making money off them if they're probably more money off them yeah you don't want more money that's a good point but like if they want to be the laptop of windows like that feels like the better well they have the same issue that google has right they make android and they rely on other manufacturers especially in countries where pixel is not that popular but also want to beat them yeah or even a lot of people always tweeted us and stuff saying right pixels aren't even available in a lot of right totally yeah and so that's i think that's why they're like available on pixel only for three months and then everyone

gets it because they want other people to they want these other oems to be incentivized to still make phones and not turn out like htc or lg and that may devices yeah and i may that may also a little bit be uh to avoid the little antitrusty stuff where you can't just i mean you can but you'll get sued if you just build a whole bunch of things only for yourself right kind of like the way apple has like with the apple watch yeah yeah yeah but it's also like google makes most of its money on google play services and that just means the more android devices you have in the wild the more money you're going to make no matter who makes it so that's the reason that they haven't really cared

about the pixel that much until fairly recently and now i think the only reason they're really caring about the pixel is because the iphone market share is just skyrocketing so much so yeah i think microsoft's doing a great job with all these laptops and it's not just the laptops they're putting out but in that sense of like being the easier to recommend laptop they're going into best buy stores and making really good displays that are simple these laptops look really. They are like the same company making the operating system and the actual computer and like they're making it just seem way friendlier. And I don't know. I've always liked the Surface stuff, even though I switched to a MacBook. I got to say the Sapphire and the Dune colors are really good looking. They're really nice.

And honestly, it's like it's just exciting to have a viable Windows option now because the only use case in buying a Windows computer in the past has been, like, one, if you need one for work because you run certain applications that only run on Windows. Two, you need backwards compatibility with old Windows stuff, which is a lot of people. And three, I'm trying to remember the third one. You're a rebel.

You're a rebel. You want to use your... Oh, gaming. Gaming computers. Because you want to use your oh gaming gaming computers because you want like a really good gpu and also because most games are windows and and or linux only and generally windows only and direct x compatible all the way baby yeah direct x if you want to be like me and use your surface laptop at the apple event yeah it's always a fun one and be the only one who got wi-fi that one time so that was also yeah true rebel you want wi-fi at an apple event yeah i gotta say i am extremely lucky that the only video game that i play is natively available on mac because otherwise i would really need a windows

computer i don't know i gotta say like it's really nice that outside of those use cases you can now like think about buying a window because i like we were saying earlier i really like windows 11 and it runs a lot of things really well. And they also partnered with a bunch of very popular, uh, application makers like Adobe, a bunch of Adobe apps are now natively compiled for arm 64. Um, DaVinci resolve is now natively compiled for arm 64 cap cuts now compiled from 64 and resolve has a lot of ai features in it now and they showed me some demos when i was at that qualcomm event the other day and it it processes those ai like it's like ai tracking and like masking and stuff in real time and it's really

really fast um i imagine once m4 and m4 pro and m4 Max come to these laptops and they have all of these AI features, they're probably also going to accelerate those kind of tasks in things like tracking in Final Cut. It's just cool. And also having Windows computers have good battery life finally is really nice. I think it's funny that your example was maybe you need it for work when mine's the exact opposite

as my work computer is my mac stuff and i was running a windows laptop and a windows computer at home but now that my two so that's why yeah i mean the laptop not playing games on it but i just like windows better yeah me too the fact that though this is just my work computer and then i can take it home it's just easier to do everything on the same computer that's going to translate to when it's at work. But I like Windows. Yeah. Team Windows. Yeah.

Hashtag. Yeah, and having a bunch of computers that are actually good is going to be really great. Who to thunk it? So I'm really, really hoping that it doesn't turn out like the 8CX scenario. I don't think it will, but we'll have to see. So big event event big news uh i guess we should take it to the trivia question lots of good names lots of good names good names i'm sarcastic x elite oh name yeah branding baby all right next question what do the record player

bubble wrap the unix operating system and condensed soup which is soup with almost all the water removed all have in common it's definitely not something physical can you put those four things on like a screen so

we can just see them this is more like yeah yeah this is more like a new york times word game than it is trivia listen new york times is like basically a gaming company now no keep doing this and maybe they'll buy it from us put it in their app for a subscription seven figures all right we'll be back. Support for the show today comes from NetSuite. Anxious about where the economy is headed?

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to your own shoots, Canon's got you covered. Shop the level up sales event today at canon.ca. All right, last little bit we got to talk about here. Rivian software update for their cars. They're going to be pushing a software update that allows the YouTube app and Google Cast in R1T and R1S, which I think is pretty cool. We've talked for a long time about all these EVs and how they get software updates, and ideally they get better over time. So this is one of those features that they're adding. And it's particularly cool in an electric car because you may spend more time sitting in it parked because it's probably charging and so you can watch youtube videos or cast some videos maybe you want to watch some live stream or something maybe twitch i don't know you can google cast to the screen in front of you in the ravine this is

one of those things yeah you nailed where it's only cool because it's an ev and because you actually might be sitting parked for a prolonged amount of time where watching a YouTube video could be a great distraction when you're charging. These EVs all have big screens and might as well use them. While you're charging, yeah, it's way better than looking on your phone. Casting is a great thing also though.

At first you're like, well, if it's gonna have the YouTube app, who cares about casting? But there's plenty of other apps that aren't in there, Twitch, things you can do, stuff like that. You can even cast your gallery things onto the screen if you wanted to. Maybe that you can even cast your gallery things onto the screen if you wanted to maybe that could be something interesting but yeah having updates in software and evs are

really cool because you can add things later to them which is awesome hopefully there aren't any companies out there that want to take apps away from us um because that would be terrible yeah that'd be ridiculous did you see that tesla's taking steam out of what nice my cyberpunk on my model as flat um so apparently a bunch of people who or well previously in 2022 they added an option to the infotainment system on model s and x where you could have steam on your uh infotainment system because they had 16 gigs of RAM and a dedicated GPU. I believe that's the difference on why you could start doing that.

I'm not deep in the Tesla culture. I never, I thought it was just, I guess what I thought, and this could be totally wrong, so ignore me if I'm wrong, but I it was that the the computer that they used to drive the UI on the screen and to power the self-driving Happened to also be powerful enough to run games if you're not driving Is that I don't know if that's explicitly the reason but I just I know that they did use an Nvidia GPU That was powerful enough to like play The Witcher and cyberpunk I thought I thought it was because that was powerful enough to run all of the input signal processing

for, like, full self-driving. Because Tesla, famously minimal and cost-cutting, would not just put a $1,000 GPU in the car for funsies. For sure. For the lulz? You don't think Elon would put something in for the memes? Not if it costs $1,000. It definitely wasn't just to play games on right so i i pictured

it as a for other fun consequence of having a powerful computer in the car for other functions it can also play some games yeah cool but apparently they don't need that specific computer anymore and the one they're using now doesn't have the same ability to play these steam games so they're just taking steam out that's crazy there was people who have reservations for the s and the x that saw in the features that steam will not be available anymore um and then i saw something about people saying that their cyber trucks that they own now does not have steam support the operating system is not rated to handle what steam requires well so somebody uh i have steam there's a an article here that says the cyber truck did not receive a dedicated graphics processing unit and many

people are noting that they don't have access to seam on their foundation series um and that it also only has eight gigs of ram so it seems like a lesser is that that's what the model three and the model y use right i don't know but i wouldn't be shocked it has the same like single screen in the middle so it feels like it could be the same okay so maybe it's just it's not as powerful as the old snx and it seems like potentially it seems like the new snx are getting this less powerful version which won't have steam which again is only something that's really interesting when you're sitting and possibly charging for 20, 30 plus minutes. Or like waiting for, I don't know,

you're waiting outside the school to pick up your kid or something. Just playing cyber bunker. Yeah, yeah. Cuphead, freaking out. How much road rage would that induce of just like being really mad you died in Dark Souls? Because you get to freak out in the game and then go back to living life. No, then you're all amped up because now you're like,

well, now I'm not sitting here long enough. need to beat this dark souls boss and now you're driving as fast as possible home so are they taking steam off of existing cars who had it i don't believe so because they would still have they still have the hardware that can run it but they could just disable it and so forth but they're not going to do that right i have not seen anything about that it seems more like a update in the reservations where, let's see, it says, this is somebody's reservation order. And it says, Tesla's making the following changes. There's something about Tesla vision. And then there's a part at the bottom that says gaming features. Tesla's updating the gaming computer in your Model X and your vehicle is

no longer capable of playing Steam games. All other entertainment and app functionalities are unaffected. Wow. So all 12 of you who are going to get this car specifically because you could play steam games you're gonna have to look elsewhere sorry i memed about this that's the problem it's just like it felt like a big almost a not selling point but definitely a feature that was in it that was like advertised and uh like applauded it was like play cyberpunk and there were so many videos of people playing cuphead like in their tesla as being this really cool thing yeah it's one of those i think it's one of those gimmicks that it's a gimmick it was on the website and it was talked about but not a single real person actually bought the car because of that

no but i'm sure there's people who bought the car because of that no but i'm sure there's people who bought the car who were excited about yeah and i bet there's people who made a reservation excited about it and now their car is not going to also there's like that and it won't change their order they'll still retrays that allow you to like put like a mouse and keyboard on there and if i could play dota in my car while waiting for it to charge that'd be pretty sick it would i mean i mean that can with your like ipad that you have already or you can't play dota on an ipad your surface pro you should laptop yeah when someone's when someone's playing really poorly like your teammate is one of your like toxic insults like what are you playing this at a

supercharger right now yeah Yeah. It is now. I'm trying to think of like an equivalent feature that it's on the same level of for Tesla's, like fart mode where you can like program your horn to be a whoopee cushion. Yeah. It's like, yeah, if they took that away, it would technically be taking away a feature.

And I'm sure like 12 people who are really excited about it wouldn't be mad, but. I think you're underestimating how many times people are sitting at superchargers and want something to do. And like being able to play a game makes that so much more entertaining. I've lived that life

and I saw a lot of people at superchargers and they just had their phone out and they... I'm like sitting next to dozens of other cars capable of doing cool things on the screen, watching YouTube, watching Netflix, watching Twitch. Nobody's doing it. I've never seen someone do it, but I think it's cool you can yeah it's cool i bet a lot of people do it that have it i thought they already removed whoopee cushion mode like now you can only use

it in park if you're driving with a custom horn it reverts to the right normal horn yeah it's just a parked button press type thing okay funny haha yeah yeah yeah that's kind of it so yeah i i'm sure yeah taking away features is never fun yeah i mean at least it's not removing it from existing cars because that would be really really that would just be me this is clearly cost cutting i think we all agree with that yeah yeah um and some i'm sure there's some people who will be upset and they will probably still purchase the car anyways yeah But it still sucks for them. Yeah. Yep.

My only kind of analogy I could think of would be maybe pet mode. Like if they got rid of pet mode. That would be horrible. Pet mode has like a decent function. I know a lot of people who use that. Oh, people actually use that. Oh, well, then never mind.

Pet mode is when you leave your car in a parking lot with your pet in it. It keeps the AC on and keeps the temperature on. I feel like that's super useful. The thing on the screen might be the most beneficial part because then you're also like, hey, my dog is not dying in this car. Right. Pet mode, good utility. You know, games, it's good utility too to burn some time.

I just feel like every time I was at a a supercharger i never saw anyone doing it everyone would be on their phone and the phone's hooked up to the bluetooth of the car anyway so you're just you're just on your phone yeah yeah i'm sure there's plenty of people who use it i would be we should do if i was if i was using superchargers all the time and i had steam on it i would definitely just download some game that like each checkpoint would only take 10 to 15 minutes and i would buy every single time unless you're good at it all right um we got to talk really quick about the sonos headphones uh oh they exist because wow they exist we have you have we haven't had this whole time just off camera you guys haven't known this but look at that we've had them for a couple weeks now yeah they're they're

here's what i can say because i can't i haven't reviewed them yet and there is a separate uh time where that will come i wanted the headphones um they are 450? So Sonos, they've made these very premium speakers and soundbars in the past. And I think they have such a good reputation. Oh, magnets. Yeah, you got to love the magnets. That's a great design. The case, which you guys are admiring, has like, they come in black or white. And they have this like felt, not microfiber but like a soft recycling type of

feel the colors in case remind me a lot of the microsoft surface headphones they're almost the same color and materials very similar this is the matte black there is also a matte white which i think looks just like the surface very cool matte white as well they're plastic they're lighter weight they get compared a lot to airpods max because i think just because they're plastic they're lighter weight they get compared a lot to airpods max because i think just because they're expensive bluetooth headphones i think they kind of look like it from the side really yeah there's been pictures there's pictures of people wearing them and it has a i think they kind of looks like airpods max with the like sony or the sony headset headband huh there's um not johnny i've tweeted about them he said the sonos app died so the ace

pods max could live yeah the sonos app has gotten so much flack lately you know it's gotten the removable ear cups and everything like they're they're very solid fundamentally they have active noise cancellation they have some controls on them they have an on off button button. Pretty cool. That's pretty cool. You have USB-C. USB-C on them. Yeah. And they are much lighter. They're plastic. They're a lot lighter than AirPods Max,

so they feel closer to like the Sonys or the Bose. Yeah. They don't fold. So if you want to travel with them, you'll need this case

right here. At least they have a case and an on-off button, so they're easier to travel with, but you'll need this case right here, which has this little cleverly magnetizing cable holder.

They don't even spin the right way, like the XM5s. They don't fully spin, yeah. Well, but usually they spin into you, so the cushions on your chest when you spin them in, these spin out. Yeah. Right? I'm doing this right? Yeah, you're right. It's the right side.

Yeah. Whew! Sorry. Yeah, so they're fine. I mean, I have a lot more to say about actually using them. I've gone a couple flights with them. I think they have some other interesting features that I haven't been able to talk about yet,

but at least people now know they exist. People have been wondering, is Sonos going to make headphones for like years now because of how good the sound bars are? Yeah, of course they are, and they're entering at the top of the market at $450, so people are very curious about this type of thing so review coming soon i'll put it that way all right that's it sweet that's it there you go cool well segue trivia all right great segue nice thank you i wrote also my answers already uh miles is going to wawa right now if anyone wants anything

i'm good okay listeners anyone wawa wawa cool good put your orders in the comments yeah yeah put your wawa orders in the comments please damn now i really want to read the orders in the cup i need a pen sorry i had to while david gets a pen i have one not doing the printer question but if you know it put it in the comments wait say it one more time what component sits between the ink supply pump and the ceramic crystal in an inkjet printer what's the ceramic crystal i don't know what the ceramic crystal the ceramic crystal uh is are you familiar with like how quartz clocks works it's a it's sort of similar to a quartz clock it It does ultrasonic vibrations, helps get the ink flowing to the head.

Nope. The jet head. Anyway, the real question. The first ever industrial robot, Unimate, worked in a General Motors production line in what United States state? I think this is going to be a trick question. It's not.

It's got to be. It's one where the answer seems so obvious that if I try and pick something else and then I'm wrong, I'll feel like a moron. Think deep, Andrew. Deeper. Look deep within yourself.

Jersey. Deeper. Central Jersey. Doesn't exist. Shut up, Ellis. Go back to the West Coast. I would love to. Or Pennsylvania. All right. exist shut up let's go back to the west coast i would love to or pennsylvania

all right you're all wrong but say it at the same time one two three the correct answer is jersey new jersey i should have known when you just like tried to keep the straightest face possible that that's what it we've cursed three times this podcast unbelievable i've cursed three times all right quick update on the score marquez with nine hmm andrew not carrying the one with eight david with nine when am i carrying the one? When you're ahead by one. I should have guessed it when you eat. Oh, it used to be when I was behind by a million. I feel like now it's when I'm ahead by one.

That was a trick question. Because Michigan is the only state that has cars related to it. We all thought. That's just not true. The obvious answer. That's a complete lie. What do the record player, bubble wrap, the Unix operating system, and condensed soup all have in common? It's a phonograph.

Yeah, phonograph is the device I was referencing, but it's functionally the same as a record player. Google Hangouts. I was just going to do that. Dropcam. Google Optimize. Google Bookmarks. Backup and Sync. Fitstar Yoga.

What? Yep. Measure. Timely. Fitstar Yoga? Fitstar Yoga. That's... Thanks, Google.

What do we have? Oh, f***. Interesting. All right. I was thinking something like that. One by one. These are good. These are good these are good oh i don't know oh interesting marquez and i have the same thing uh i wrote they're all

invented by the same person imagine that resume just saying it was like the the the um tinder right there was that question that was like they're both oh yeah right i think it was only good memory the same okay my answer was they all pop slash crackle in different ways how does soup pop and crack when you apply too much heat no no no when you put soup in the microwave it gets hotter at the bottom and then it pops but that's the water that's the water that does no no soup doesn't i i'm not going to give you the point but that that's a good answer how does the unix operating system pop slash oh yeah when when you put it in the microwave

the correct answer is all four of these things were invented in New Jersey. In the great state of New Jersey. I'm a bad New Jerseyan. I'm sad about this. You know what's funny? So if you ever land at Newark Airport Terminal A, and if you walk through that terminal, there's a bunch of like new screens.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So people are like flying in from all sorts of places and they land and there's like trivia questions on them. And every single trivia question answer is New Jersey. it just says like where do you think where is where is this college it's new jersey where was this fun pair of things invented new jersey every single answer is new jersey and that's that's what this reminded me they do have a photo of my small town in there because we just have this old mill that's very picturesque and you'll see

in pictures of like New Jersey all over the place and that is the only thing our stupid little town has. We need to get Marquez inducted into the New Jersey Hall of Fame. We need a turnpike rest stop named after Marquez. That's

way cooler. But I've written an email or two to the New Jersey Hall of Fame trying to get you inducted because I thought it would be like a fun birthday present or something and they have not no you need like a lifetime achievement award type that's like a I don't think you get in under about 50 years old

I mean who's bigger Marquez or Bruce Springsteen he's in it Judy Blume in the New Jersey Hall of Fame apparently Gary Vaynerchuk went to my high school. Old. You got to be old. That's one of the rules.

You got to be old. They don't say that, but that's one of the rules. You got to be old. Yeah. I think that's the rule. Anyway, that's it for this podcast this week. We've talked about a lot. And of course, we want to know what you guys are thinking in the comments.

So feel free to leave those below as well. But let us know what other New Jersey fun facts you have. made it this far on the podcast you might as well leave a comment leave us fun facts about new jersey down in the comments below okay thanks catch you guys next one peace waveform is produced by adam alina and ellis roven we're partnered with vox media podcast network and our intro outro music was created by vane sill by Veincil. I've thought about sometimes being like, Alex, you want me to come on and just make fun of the Knicks? Support for this episode comes from AWS. and just make fun of the Knicks.