Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Microsoft's New & Future Products and Talking Tesla & Hackintosh w/ Quinn from SnazzyLabs
Episode Date: October 4, 2019Today we take a look at Microsoft's newly-announced products for 2019, along with a behind-the-scenes look at some secretive design labs on the Microsoft Campus. Then, we welcome Waveform's first-ever... guest, Quinn Nelson from SnazzyLabs! He talks all about his experience switching to Tesla, if Hackintoshes are still alive in 2019, his thoughts on livestreaming, and finally he joins us for Listener Q & A!  Links from Episode:  Waveform Twitter: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Quinn's Twitter: https://twitter.com/SnazzyQ Quinn's YouTube: https://bit.ly/2nM3bS3 Inside Bill's Brian: https://bit.ly/2kfGiVe Microsoft's Anechoic Chamber: https://bit.ly/1Ol887R   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Good morning, good afternoon, good day, wherever you are.
Welcome back to episode six of the Waveform podcast.
I'm your host, Marques Brownlee.
And I'm Andrew Manganielli.
And we've got some great stuff planned for you in a pretty long podcast.
So in this episode, we'll talk through the new family of current and future Microsoft products
and our trip to their campus.
And then we have our first ever guest in waveform history,
fellow tech YouTuber, Quinn from Snazzy Labs,
and also possibly the only YouTuber I know
that's taller than me.
And we'll talk about Tesla, talk about Hackintosh,
live streaming, we got Q&A, it's a big one, buckle up.
Welcome to Techtober.
So normally we hit this part up with a recap of everything,
but I think we're gonna stretch our recap
out a little further than normal. So let's do a content suggestion beforehand uh okay i think i have a
pretty good one for you you've probably heard about it but uh there's a new series on netflix
called inside bill's brain and it's a documentary about bill gates yeah we're gonna talk about
microsoft later so i think it's a perfect episode to talk about this and actually on our trip back
from microsoft i watched it on the plane and it was pretty fascinating.
I love that it exists.
When I was thinking about that Bill Gates interview we did, the whole process leading up to that was me watching as much information about Bill's past interviews and possible things to ask him as I possibly could.
So I think that would be an interesting addition to watch.
as I possibly could. So I think that would be an interesting addition to watch. Yeah, I think we just talking to him for like 20 minutes that we did was just kind of mind blowing listening to
him talk and how quickly he thinks of things and how he thinks of things. And now you got a guy
who was with him for two years. So imagine how deep he goes. Really, really great. It kind of
goes over his early life. It goes over meeting Melinda and how much him and Melinda have done
in the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and then all about everything he did at microsoft how he started
microsoft how he went through them being called a monopoly how he solves problems it's okay so i'll
check and that's netflix you said netflix yeah highly recommended inside bill's mind bill's brain
inside bill's brain perfect nice all right so we can jump into a quick recap of other videos leading up to what we have now
from the last podcast.
So we had the OnePlus 7T review.
Yeah.
That, it's an interesting phone.
I don't really have any fact corrections or anything
other than like, it's just a fascinating existence
for this phone because it's coming to the US
where allegedly the OnePlus 7T Pro
that might come later this year will not come to the US,
which is backwards. So last year, the OnePlus 7 did not come to the US and the OnePlus 7 Pro did.
So it's kind of a flip. And I was really looking forward to OnePlus 7T Pro or whatever the next
pro phone is called. So that'll be interesting. But in a lot of ways, this 7T is better than a
7 Pro, even though it's cheaper.
But you stayed on the 7 Pro, right?
I did a little flip-flop.
I was reviewing the 7T, and I had some little gripes about the display.
So when I was finished reviewing it, I did switch back to the 7 Pro.
Okay.
And then I got really annoyed with the curved screens again.
Oh, wow.
And I switched back, and I'm back on the 7T on the flat screen.
I have to pay more attention at work, apparently, because I didn't even notice that.
So I'm dailying the OnePlus 7T.
We have Pixel right around the corner.
We have possibly another OnePlus announcement coming up this year.
But as of right now, OnePlus 7T, despite its lower resolution display, is in my pocket.
That's very interesting.
Yeah.
So that review came out.
You can check that out.
And of course, we also had iPhone 11.
Gosh, we've talked about these phones so much.
But the iPhone 11 review, the theme of it was it's just so easy.
Everything about this phone is it's easy to recommend.
It's easy to review and explain what's new.
Honestly, if you're probably going to recommend a phone to your mom to upgrade her iPhone or your
friend who's just like, hey, are these new phones any good? It's a sentence or two of like, yeah,
well, the iPhone 11 is pretty great. Nice camera, good battery. It's an iPhone. You'll probably like
it if you like iPhones. That conversation is probably, should I get the new iPhone?
Yes. Yeah, go for it. There you go. It was that easy. No glaring issues. Yeah, so super easy. So those two reviews came out this week,
and then we arrived at Microsoft Week.
Slowly, but also kind of quickly,
Microsoft has arrived as one of the most exciting tech companies
of the second half of this year.
Is that fair to say?
I think that's fair to say.
So they announced and unveiled a whole ton of products.
A week ago, we were out on that top secret trip to, now we can say,
it was Microsoft's headquarters near Seattle up in Redmond, Washington.
And we got a sneak peek at all the stuff that came out today.
The Surface Pro 7, the Surface Laptop 3, the Surface Pro X,
the Surface headphones or earbuds.
Earbuds, yeah.
And then we had a little bit of a sneak peek at the Surface Neo and the Surface Duo.
All of the first things I talked about are coming out in this holiday season.
They're actually already up for pre-order.
And then the last two, Surface Neo and Surface Duo, these foldables, are coming out next year.
So they gave us a little bit of a sneak preview.
It was official for next year or was that just future product?
They ended up saying on stage it will be for holiday season 2020 awesome yeah that's
really exciting actually yeah and i'm pumped for those things so i guess let's just break down
quickly the things that came out this year so the surface pro 7 is maybe the most uh boring update
it looks the same as the surface pro 6 but it has usb type c and has the new intel chips inside so
it's a minor refresh yeah So of course, continuing that line
that's been pretty successful, safe, easy,
similar to what Apple's doing.
But now we also have the sort of next generation of Surface,
which is also a two in one, also with a kickstand,
Surface Pro X, it's much thinner.
It's got two USB type C ports.
It comes in matte black and it's arm based.
So it's got these thinner bezels a little
bit of a bigger 13 inch screen and i i thought it was kind of nice i don't know if you got to
hold any of these things but like holding it was was encouraging it was a good weight the kickstand
felt sturdy um and these are all things that microsoft spends a ton of time on as we'll mention
later and stuff we talked about the labs but um I think the Surface Pro X was pretty interesting.
I thought one of the coolest things about it is seems almost low tech,
but where they stored the pencil in the case,
it's just like literally just the little flip up case
flipped up a little tiny more.
You wouldn't even notice it.
And then you flip it down and there's the pencil
and it was charging the whole time.
And the thing about that being,
it's sitting there the entire time
is it's wireless charging in there.
So every time you take it out, it's at 100%.
So it's kind of a little bit better.
I always get a little bit annoyed by the iPad Pro Pencil.
Yes, it is magnetized to the side,
but as soon as I put it in my bag, it just falls off.
Yeah, it's somewhere else.
It's cool that it sort of latches on there and charges,
but it's not sort of natively comfortable there all the time.
So this is really cool.
So it'll always be charged 100%
every time you take it out of that little cradle
and put it back,
and you'll never worry about battery life on it.
It's pretty cool.
And then there was a Surface Laptop 3.
I like this a lot.
I think I'm going to try to make that Surface Laptop 3 13-inch
my new daily laptop
because I don't need a Mac necessarily on my laptop anymore.
The Surface Laptop 2 in
matte black was my favorite Windows laptop of last year. It was almost perfect except for the
lack of USB Type-C. Now it has one USB Type-C port. It fast charges, but still through that
sort of proprietary charger, which is a little bit annoying. I kind of wish there were like
three USB Type-C ports and it charged via one of them. So that's maybe the only bummer,
but it's glad to see that there's a USB type C port there. You can still charge through the USB-C
though, right? I'm not actually sure because we didn't have a USB-C port last year. It would make
sense. Yes. Maybe not fast charging. If I remember correctly, and don't quote me on this, he said,
you can still charge through USB-C, but the proprietary is still there because it offers
fast charging. Okay. That makes sense. So if i just bring around whatever usbc charger i bring for
everything it'll still work maybe just not 80 in half an hour or an hour so that's still encouraging
either way i want to daily that i'm excited for it i think that's gonna be a fun one did uh did
last year's have the alcantara on matte black because they did they changed that a little bit
this year where i think two models don't have it and two models do have it.
Let me go look at it right now.
Okay.
Hold on.
Sorry.
So yeah, it's got that Alcantara keyboard
and the soft touch like hand palm rest or whatever
when you're up against the laptop.
A little bit of a taller aspect ratio I also kind of like
because a lot of stuff I'm doing on my laptop is writing.
I have two windows open next to each other.
I want them to be kind of tall.
So the screen's great. It's a touchscreen. I have two windows open next to each other. I want them to be kind of tall. So the screen's great.
It's a touchscreen.
I don't use touchscreens on laptops at all.
Are you a touchscreen laptop guy?
I'm not.
In fact, I find most of the time when I'm using a laptop that has a touchscreen,
I'll go try and wipe a smudge off it,
and Lord knows what's going to happen on the screen.
I'm resizing a window or closing out of something.
So I don't know.
For me, touchscreen's not a big thing.
I've seen people who are good at touchscreen,
and it's really impressive.
I think Linus has come in here before,
and you know, he just dangles that laptop
while he's walking around,
but I've seen him just like tap, tap, screen,
tap, tap, tap, tap, tap.
So I guess if you're good at it,
it's probably pretty useful, but it's not something.
If you get in the flow.
If you get in that flow, it can be really good. that's just a phrase they like saying often on stage get in the
flow uh yeah no if you get in that workflow then you can make the touchscreen useful i also made
an it was an older video kind of an embarrassingly old video about where i talked about why i don't
use touchscreen laptops and this hinge wobble oh no matter how good the hinge is on any laptop
every single laptop it will always wobble when you touch the good the hinge is on any laptop, every single laptop,
it will always wobble when you touch the screen.
So, you know, I'm a trackpad kind of guy and the trackpad is 20% bigger on the new ones.
So I'm pumped.
I'll leave it at that.
You can watch the impressions video if you haven't seen it, but we'll get that in for
review and definitely check it out.
There's also a 15 inch variant with AMD Ryzen chips that are custom engineered as well.
So whole bunch going on with Microsoft.
Definitely watch those videos.
And by the time you hear this, there may also be the interview with Satya Nadella up on the channel.
Just a ton happening in October already.
I would like to talk about the future devices, though, too, because those are actually pretty interesting.
Yeah.
So they had Surface Neo and Surface Duo.
Surface Neo was, well, they were both foldable, and they were both dual-screen. actually pretty interesting yeah so they had surface neo and surface duo surface neo was uh
well they were both foldable and they're both dual screen surface neo was more of the size of
like a small laptop and one screen on each side and surface duo was more like a clamshell phone
type of thing yeah two five and a half inch one handed exactly and no screens on the outside so
there's just these clean super thin like really like really, really thin devices. And on one hand, I got to wonder, it's sort of fascinating, like why is Microsoft showing us these super early things a year in advance, but the more you think about it, the more it makes sense. They need to get app developers on board to start making their apps compatible. There's a new fork of Windows. It's Windows 10 X. There's going to be an Android version on the smaller phone.
I guess we're calling it a phone, but it's also sort of like a phone tablet type thing.
Yeah, yeah.
But either way, super early to be showing us this, but I like the idea of the 360 hinge.
We have this folding phone world happening, unfolding in front of us.
Unfolding, oh man.
But I kind of like that idea.
I do too.
When he first pulled it out,
we've seen the fold.
So when I first saw it,
I was like,
oh man,
like,
yeah,
that's not that cool because we saw one where it actually does that.
Right.
Then the gut reaction is like,
oh,
this isn't really a folding screen.
That's not so cool.
But then the minute he started holding it,
opening it and like flipping it up on the back of each other, I was like, wait a minute, that's not so cool but then the minute he started holding it opening it and like flipping it up on the back of each other i was like wait a minute that's we're at a whole different
aspect here like yeah maybe the screen doesn't connect in the middle but there's so much more
you can do now being able to fold that in a 360 degree yeah and i think uh we got to the galaxy
fold and like trying to fold it backwards because obviously the hinge stops at 180 degrees um this one you don't have to worry about that as much so i like the idea of being
able to just like flip it open have half your screen when you want it sometimes and then
immediately open it up and have both of them uh i'm just like i can't believe how thin they are
they're i can't tell you how small i think those batteries are in there yeah he literally uh the
way he showed us neos, the smaller one, right?
Right.
He had it in his pocket the whole time, and we didn't even notice.
And he's just like, oh, yeah, and there's this one, too.
And he pulls it out of his back pocket, and I was like, oh.
Jeez.
Wow, yeah.
Yeah, that was tiny.
But you're saying you're concerned about battery life?
Yeah, potentially, because anytime you have a screen that big compared to the device,
you look at how long is is battery going to last? And then also when it's that thin, battery has to be small. It folds in half. So you're splitting the battery in half. So now they're not going the whole width of the phone. So, you know, we'll see. There's a lot of questions yet to be answered. There's no spec list for it yet. This is just sort of getting it out there ahead of... Is this the ultimate leak combat strategy is announce it a year early?
Just announce it a year.
This is kind of the extreme of that, right?
That's a pretty good point.
It's going to be hard to leak stuff.
If you just announce it before it comes out.
Wow.
Yeah.
This is going to make events really boring
or really exciting,
really boring for the thing you're about to play with,
but then really excited for the next year. Welcome to the Pixel 4 event. to microsoft didn't show off the the pixel 4 at the end of it
honestly if they just pulled a pixel 4 out their back pocket i would not have been shocked not at
all um so i'm really looking forward to seeing the pixel 5 6 and 7 uh at our our google event this
year um all right but i think the most underrated part that we didn't really show too much in the
videos was the the sort of campus tour that we did did where we saw a lot of the behind the scenes.
I would say that tour, I went into it being super excited to just see the campus.
All these tech campuses are always fascinating to see,
but seeing the behind the scenes and that whole design process blew my expectations.
There were some really, really cool things we saw in there.
Where should we even start well they had pretty much every imaginable machine anytime you go to one of these they sort of show you a couple different design iterations
of each product so for the the headphones for example which are kind of interesting looking
but they showed us like nine ten different previous much uglier versions of the headphones
before they arrived at that
finished final look. Um, for the Alcantara, you know, they, they bring in these samples and they
try to get just the right thickness and just the right texture of the Alcantara material on the
laptops before they actually decide to manufacture it. And there's all these things, uh, that sort
of go into that process, but maybe, yeah, I'm, yeah, I'm going to go ahead and say the best part was the anechoic chamber.
Oh, for sure.
That was so.
So real quick, what are we saying?
Anechoic?
Does that mean anti-echo?
Anechoic?
I don't actually know the etymology of the word anechoic, but it is.
It makes sense if that's how you think about it.
Yeah.
There are no echoes.
So there's a brief clip in there and I'll probably post a photo,
but it is the Guinness World Record
quietest room in the world.
And that's, I guess,
by the amount of reduction from the outside noise.
So the actual ambient noise level in the room is like...
It was negative 20.6.
Negative 20.6 dB.
Previous record was negative 13. That's all they.6 dB. Previous record was negative 13.
That's all they had to be.
And I was watching a video that I'm going to post in the show notes.
This guy named Gopal, he was the best.
Gopal's a legend.
Yeah, I honestly think we might have to get him on the podcast one day.
It would be cool to do the podcast in the chamber.
So maybe paint a picture for me of like we were outside of it with all our video
gear getting ready to walk in it sounds normal when you're outside paint a picture of like
outside versus inside and closing the door behind us what was that like cool so like
we all got there we met copal there's this big metal door it looked kind of like a walk-in
freezer at like a restaurant huge door yeah he opens that up and you can kind of you kind of like a walk-in freezer at like a restaurant. Huge door. Yeah, he opens that up and you can kind of,
you kind of see this like little bridge.
And when you walk in there,
you realize that you're walking into a room
that the entirety of the around the room
probably has like a three to four foot gap.
So he explained to us that nothing in this room
was attached to the rest of the building that it's within.
Pretty much they drilled all the concrete
out from around this room
set it on a bunch of gigantic springs that i think is on its own foundation to avoid any type of
structure noise from the building which just at that point is it's pretty incredible it's a floating
room with pretty much yeah and i think it was another floating room within that room so there
was no floor when we when we actually walked in.
So yeah.
And you walk in and there's this gigantic amount of foam everywhere.
And you're walking on a wire floor so that there's more foam beneath your feet.
And you're sort of suspended in this space.
And then they close the door behind you.
I'd say even before they close the door, it just feels off.
Like the amount of echo is so reduced, even with the door wide open and and he did a demonstration where he started clapping and you're like okay that sounds kind of strange
and then he closes the door and literally zero echo from the clap which is it sounds weird it
just sounds like a clap but a clap with no echo is strange it's kind of weird and but like being
in that room and this is like then the audio nerd in
me coming out is there was absolutely no reverb which meant like the voice you hear in this
microphone was like the voice you would hear of me six feet away from you talking to you minus the
doors slamming in the back minus the background noise like literally no background noise at all
if i if i walk up to you like we i't know if you remember really, really early in this studio,
if you clapped in this basically empty room,
you would hear the echo of that clap for a couple seconds in a row.
Even in a normal room like this,
there's a little bit of reverb and echo and bouncing off the walls,
and your ears use that to sort of determine how big the room you're in is.
When you get in this room and
there's no echo at all you lose all sense of how big or small the room you're in is and you can
instantly pinpoint exactly where people are around you it was strange and then uh the cherry on top
was you turn the light off for a second yeah i feel like you very quickly start to hear yourself
swallow then you can hear other people swallow.
You can just hear literally everything.
And then the lights go off.
And that was almost overwhelming.
It was like floating in space for a second.
It was very, very strange.
I think Brandon started laughing at one point because it was just so quiet and you didn't know what to do.
And I think everyone was trying not to make noise.
But then you knew you had to not make noise like inside of your body because it's impossible you literally hear yourself blank
and you hear a heart beating and like you can hear your hair growing my favorite my favorite
story is the well i'll just say not to spoil it but he had other people in this room and had done
this demo before and he was in the room and he's used to hearing people's watches and he remembers one of the people next to him you sort of heard like a tick
yeah and when he turned the light back on he mentioned to the guy hey i heard your watch
ticking and the guy said i'm not wearing a watch and he went oh interesting what well i was hearing
that noise what is that a pacemaker or like some other, you know,
something making a constant clicking noise?
And it said the guy had had recently a heart valve transplant.
He had an artificial heart valve.
And that was the sound of it opening and closing
as his heart was beating once per second.
And everyone in the room could hear it.
Yeah, you could hear that inside the chest of the person next to you,
three feet away.
That's just wild. That's's unbelievable it's completely crazy so if you ever get a chance to go in an anechoic chamber even if it's not for a lab tour or some important reason it's kind of
fun yeah and microsoft uses it for you know actual products not just to listen to heart valves oh
yeah not just being creeps some some really cool stuff. Yeah, I think one of them was they go into the process
of what it sounds like when you shut your laptop
because they said a nice sound.
Yeah, let's get a little Surface ASMR here.
Here's Surface Pro 2.
Ooh.
That's satisfying.
That was perfect.
Something about the keyboard clacking is very confident and inspiring.
Yeah, I think they said that Mercedes was one of the first car manufacturers
to design a not
design a sound but to have a nice crisp sound when the door shut because it made people feel
more secure driving when they knew their car doors were shut so that's kind of what they brought into
the i'd like to believe they engineered that sound but i also think that might have been a coincidence
and they just realized it was a satisfying sound for sure and then they probably tried to copy it
exactly there you go.
Either way, they test fan noise.
They test all sorts of other things,
like the computers in there.
But that was a lot of fun.
Shout out to Gopal.
If we can get him on the podcast,
that would actually be, I would love that.
For sure.
I would love that so much.
For sure.
Quick thank you to Grace and Dan
for showing us around Microsoft all day
and to all the engineers
that took time out of their schedule.
I mean, this was a week before their launch event. They probably all had stuff to do and they all
sat down and talked with us for hours. And like we said, Satya took some time. He was super nice,
spoke with us for a while before the biggest event of their year. It was incredible. I thought we
made a couple of pretty good videos out of it. Yeah. Big shout out to them. Again, you can check
out the product videos on the current products, on the foldables, on all that sort of stuff. It's all live on the channel
and it was a lot of fun. So let's take a quick break and come back with our first guest,
Quinn from Snazzy Labs. See you soon.
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All right, we're back with our first guest.
Welcome, Quinn from Snazzy Labs, to the podcast. Thanks for having me, man. This is the first time we ever had a guest and I have
no idea how to do this. Well, that's all right. I'm a good guest to bring on for the first time
because you can impress me pretty easily. Do you have any tips about how to have guests rather
than not having guests? You have a podcast, right? I don't yet. Oh, really? You better watch out,
though. All right. Well, this is great. First time we're all on a podcast, right? I don't yet. Oh, really? You better watch out, though. All right. Well, this is great.
First time we're all on a podcast together.
Welcome to the studio, first of all.
Thanks.
And great to have you.
I'm a big fan of your videos.
I'm sure you already knew that.
I've been watching for years since before you took that break.
So this is, I don't know, how many years have you been making videos now?
It's been, it'll be 11 years in December.
11?
Does that make you feel old?
We've both been doing this forever, man.
It's a really long time. It does make me feel old. In fact, in a couple more years,
I will have been doing YouTube longer than I have not been doing YouTube. That's a big step,
more than half your life. Yeah. So for the listeners out there who might not know exactly
what you do, because you're a tech channel, but how would you describe your videos to someone who hasn't seen them yet i would say expect the unexpected we we mostly focus on apple sure but we do
a lot of kind of diy projects and just unusual computer builds stuff that's not so much the norm
i guess right for good and bad what's uh what your last video? Our last video is a weird one. We got
a, I'm not a cinematographer. My videos have never looked as good as yours and I've never tried to
make them look as good as yours because it's a losing battle. But I do own a C200 cinema camera
and I have a cinematographer that works with me and he's much more talented than I hence the reason for his job and I challenged him in a competition me with the cinema
camera and him with an iPhone 11 on who could make a better digital short okay I
haven't watched the entire thing yet but I'm very curious because I've just just
finished my iPhone 11 review and that's got its all its all theme or whatever
about how easy it is to review that's all separate thing but the cameras on
this phone have been pretty much the main thing people are talking about how
fantastic the video and photo camera it is I'm curious I have a question for you
sure and this because there's an easy way to answer this question which is
kind of like a yes or no or like a really exploring it but do you think you
could start a youtube channel today in 2019 with just your smartphone camera absolutely and would
it be any good 100 okay yeah i i've always been of the opinion that the content uh merits more
recognition perhaps than the production value at least from the get-go from
the beginning right but i mean if you go back and look at our old videos that's what you gotta look
back at yeah and we got viewers from the get-go in 480p and sure the expectations are different now
that yeah that's what i think about because like you can start a youtube channel when you look back
at our old videos and you're like oh the barrier to entry is like nothing you can make an absolutely
nothing video but at least you have something to say and it's worth putting up yeah
but when you do that today there's all this other expectation and all these other uh things that
people are used to when watching videos on youtube that you might not really have right off the bat
so you kind of have to get your feet wet and explore a little bit of production um but i do
agree that there's a way to dive into making videos
way before getting into the world of buying a camera.
Absolutely.
And that's even more true than ever with this new iPhone 11 camera.
So that's a good topic.
Absolutely.
All right, so I want to talk about some recent news with you.
I want to talk Tesla.
I'm sure you're shocked, Andrew.
I want to talk Tesla because there's always new Tesla news, but the
latest thing is what I would consider Tesla's biggest software update yet, version 10. Now,
you and I are both Tesla owners. I do not have version 10 on my car, the latest software. Do you
have version 10 or are you getting it? It was installed last night, but I'm here in New York,
so I have not driven it yet okay so there's a lot
happening in version 10 first of all there are some new i can just sort of run through the
features there are some new games you can play in the arcade mode cuphead cuphead um never played
it but it's got a great fantastic game i've heard good so frustrating but very good exactly and then
there's also netflix hulu and youtube support so you can watch full screen
high definition youtube hulu and netflix videos which is pretty impressive i don't think you can
do that while the car is in drive no i think you have to be parked but the fact that you can
actually load hd videos i mean people have been sending me screenshots of them at a supercharger
just watching videos yeah that's good enough by itself it's awesome um but it's also on the
horizontal screen of the model 3 and I haven't seen any Model S's
with this update yet.
And so I'm not exactly sure how mine's going to look.
But Spotify, I'm super ready for Spotify.
That's a big update.
I've always been just going from Bluetooth straight into the car.
And so you lose a little bit of quality through Bluetooth and the album art's not always correct.
And there's other sort of quirks about it.
But now Spotify is built into the car all that is awesome but my favorite feature and this is I use the word
favorite loosely here but the most interesting feature by far is this smart summon update sure
have you seen any of these I do you know what smart summon does absolutely have you I guess
you haven't tried yet but have you seen any videos of people trying I have seen videos for it's been
in beta for months right right and I've seen some of the old ones and it was so bad and now that it's
released it's only a little bad which is awesome yeah my uh my or i think andrew said this first
what did you call it i said we're seeing all these videos of it being in like parking lots and seeing
it have to interact with humans and i called it kind of like the samsung the galaxy
fold uh it was something that works perfectly in a controlled environment but when we're seeing it
in a parking lot with people just walking across the street and turning out of parking spots it's
been pandemonium on twitter it's pretty rough so these videos man there's a great video and there's
there's already like dozens that you can go watch and i think the verge put up a youtube video about
how it's just causing chaos everywhere uh but there's a great one of it's like there's already like dozens that you can go watch. And I think The Verge put up a YouTube video about how it's just causing chaos everywhere.
But there's a great one of, it's like,
there's two examples.
One is it's in broad daylight
and there's a guy trying to have a pull out
of a parking space and he's literally 30 feet from the car,
but he's just trying it just to see.
And it tries to pull out the space and then backs in
and then tries to pull out again
and people are walking past it
and like trying to get out of the way.
And then a pickup truck tries to pull in the other direction. And it's and like trying to get out of the way and then a pickup truck tries to pull in the other direction and it's like now trying again in front
of the pickup truck so it's blocking traffic now and it just keeps going back and forth for i'm
gonna not exaggerate i think a full minute it's trying to get out of this parking space and uh
eventually it gets over to him but it was just a really poor example but the other example which
is why i think it's like the galaxy fold is it had a sort
of a great version where it was pouring rain and this company this family had their their model
three across a rainy parking lot and instead of walking all the way across the parking lot they
summoned it through the rain to the door of the store and they were just jogged across the rain
into the car that's one version of it where like you get a glimpse into the future and it's exciting. But I'm just sort of curious about your overall Tesla story, because if I
remember correctly, you used to be one of the most outspoken critics about Elon's companies.
I was.
How did that go? Was it the test drive that won you over or was there a whole process there?
Yeah. For years i had heard quality
control problems of the s and the x and and i had always had in the back of my mind that tesla was
making cool cars yeah i just didn't feel that their quality merited their price tag and that
you were paying for the technology more so than you were paying for the vehicle itself uh and and
i'm a i like driving cars and so i had driven Model S, one of the earlier ones, I believe it was a P85D, and was not impressed by it because while it was fast in a straight line, I felt like the steering was very vague and it didn't feel good.
It felt like a prototype beta car to me.
And when the Model 3 came out they had as you know tons of issues
trying to get them off the line lots of hype lots of delays they didn't hit the price targets they
had all sorts of quality control issues from the beginning and as you kind of are in the internet
hype mind it's easy to get kind of caught up in oh this thing sucks or whatever without really
having tried it yeah and i finally decided when i was going to go buy a new car that i would just for fun so that i could
eliminate it eliminate it as an option just let just be able to say you tried and that's why you
didn't do it and be like yeah the model 3 performance okay and i knew that i wasn't
going to like the interior i thought it wasn't that great looking of a car and i went and i had a 10 minute test drive and then i
bought the car that's all it convinced me that's uh kind of how my process was is i i was i was
pretty convinced i wanted one sure but then i did the test drive and i was like i'm definitely going
to get this car it was the test drive it's on it's really hard to describe i mean you have to drive
an electric vehicle to really know yeah i agree the regen
braking and the acceleration and the the response on the throttle is incredible there's no turbo lag
the second you push the accelerator you're going yeah and that's been a that's been a thing you
kind of just you get used to it i mean you drive another car and it's horrible it's very different
there's a couple other things i've become kind of that guy who's like so used to the Tesla because it's been three years now. Sure. I had an instance where I went down to
family in Florida and I was driving, I think my mom's car to like go get present shopping or
something like that. And I had a moment where I got out of the car, closed the door and started
walking into the store, realized as I was walking away from the car that it was still on and I was
walking away from a running car. Because still on and I was walking away from a
running car because when you get out of it, yeah, you get out of electric car and you just get out
and it's off and you walk away. Yeah. I had to walk back to the car and turn it off and really
shame myself for a second there. So this is a, this is a thing that happens. You get the test
drive, you get either obsessed or you don't care. Most people sort of flip that switch and
that's, that's that's
how it happens and i love the car as it is i i think it's i actually think the interior on the
model 3 is really good and the newest model s's handle way better than the older ones have you
driven one of the newest ones i don't remember what they call those uh they just call it performance
now um the new refresh though they just i mean it's not really an interior refresh but they
changed battery pack design and right they call it ra Raven. Right. Yeah. So I haven't driven. Oh, you've
driven a Raven. The handling is so much better than the older Model S's. It's not even funny.
Interesting. I'm a, I'm a big fan of my car right now, which is obviously a three-year-old,
still relatively new car. Your lease is up soon, right? It is. You know, it's funny.
We've talked about how Tesla doesn't do refreshes, but they kind of do.
They do.
I've been waiting for the inevitable Tesla refresh, and my lease ended a week ago.
And I figured out as I was texting my Tesla rep, you can do a lease extension for up to six months, one month at a time.
And it's a bit more expensive.
Sure.
But it's better than buying an outdated car and then having a refresh
happen instantly.
So I've extended my lease
six months
and now it's up in March.
I think that's smart.
And they better refresh it
by March
or I'm going to feel
like a terrible,
I've wasted many, many dollars.
You've heard it, Elon.
Yeah.
So please make it happen.
What are you,
have you seen also,
not to keep going into Tesla,
but the refresh of Model S
going around a track and having a
sort of track oriented version do you care at all about that the plaid version the plaid model i
think that's sick because the the main criticism behind tesla is that it's really fast in a straight
line and that's all i can do right and i think the three was the first time tesla actually
kind of proved to people that actually their cars really
can handle excellently. And the low center of gravity, because the battery pack is on the floor
is a really big advantage. Despite the car being my model three weighs as much as a Ford F-150.
And it's a tiny little sedan. It's bananas. It's 4,100 pounds. But I think with the Model 3, they kind of proved that they were capable of it.
And I think they further reiterated on that with the Raven.
And so I'm really excited for the new Plaid version
and eventually what will become the Roadster.
The Roadster, yeah.
Because I think it's Tesla really flexing their muscles
and saying, we're not, I mean,
we're already very far ahead in terms of powertrain,
but now we're starting to lock down the categories
that we previously, quote-unquote, weren't able to do.
And they're putting other automakers kind of to shame.
I've kind of thought about this as a whole topic
of just talking about the state of electric cars.
And I sort of, you know, we glossed over it before,
but obviously Porsche made a huge stride of their releasing their their their their taikan taikan taikan taikan sometime soon um but it's it's obviously the competition is making
both of them take pretty far steps forward so which is awesome yeah we win yeah we win that
way we do sweet so uh every time mac pro or iMac pro comes up on our channel we inevitably get a ton of why don't
you just build a pc and then some people understand that we're using final cut so it's why don't you
build a hack a hackintosh yep I just don't think people understand how complicated that is uh so
for people who watch snazzy uh he does a lot of videos on it a lot of really great videos on it
and I would just love to
hear what your thoughts on hackintoshes in general are and why it's not just like a go buy a bunch of
cheap parts and now you're on mac os yeah what's the state of the hackintosh in october 2019 it's
kind of a weird it's in limbo a little bit uh it's Catalina is proving to be a little bit difficult
because of all the new security features built into the OS.
There are Catalina builds running pretty well,
but Mojave was kind of, I think, peak Hackintosh.
And every year, it's kind of the reverse.
I mean, there's almost this kind of renaissance
of Hackintoshing right now
because you look at like iOS jailbreaks,
completely different, by the way, but there's a little bit of parallel they were really popular in the early days of the iphone when the hardware was new and then it became increasingly difficult
as apple started patching exploits and and now it's basically not a thing yeah unless you have
did you hear about the latest thing from the no what's the latest every every phone from
the iphone 4s to the iphone 10 can be permanently jailbroken because of a bootloader exploit oh a
quick bug so forever it can always be jailbroken it's a really big deal nice well anyway so if
you're on those that's a whole different sorry yeah i'm getting off topic so you look at the
you look at the mac because apple's hardware by year, is becoming more and more similar to everyone else's hardware.
They do have the T2 chip in their Macs that does SSD controlling and boot security.
But it really is.
It's a PC.
There's nothing inherently special about a Mac.
Especially the newest Mac Pro that's coming out soon is a tower and we'll be able to see a lot of those parts. Yeah. So there's not really anything super special about the specific
hardware. And so it's been increasingly easy to trick the bootloader, to trick the EFI is what
they call it, the piece of software that talks to the chipset on the motherboard, convincing it that
it's a PC. It's legit. Yeah. And so I think in the last year or so,
it's actually really easy to make a Hackintosh,
almost to the point where there's almost a universal install guide
for everyone to get the system booted and ready to go.
Now, there are, you know, getting your network card to work
and Bluetooth sometimes is a little hassle.
So there's always, that would be a really big step.
So for those who don't know, a long time ago, a hackintosh build because i was in a similar spot and i don't even
remember what version of mac os this was but i wanted to try mac os i didn't even have a software
reason i wasn't on final cut yet but i was like i'd like to try a mac um i had a mac mini but i
was like i want to do a hackintosh and have like a really powerful machine and at that point it was like well there's only a couple different motherboards
and a couple different cpus and graphics cards and you have to follow you know a certain build
guide that's been proven to work and you can sort of go through these steps and maybe it'll probably
work yeah and if you can get it to work and you follow these steps perfectly then you have a hackintosh and you have a PC
That will boot on Mac OS X or whatever version it was
My biggest downside with my hackintosh that I built was you could not turn it off
Yeah, or put it to sleep. You couldn't put it to never update it never update it
So I had I had mine running if there's a security issue. I could not update Mac OS
So I had a constantly on, always running Hackintosh for probably about a year there. And I gave it a shot, but it's good
to know that it's actually gotten easier. But now we're coming up on the new Mac Pro coming out.
And obviously that's going to be much more expensive, but it seems like the Hackintosh
scene is going to keep thriving. It is. It really depends. I mean, what you say still holds merit. I think it's
important to consider A, your budget and B, what kind of work you're expecting to do on your
Hackintosh. Okay. Because it is inarguable and people will try to argue with you that building
a Hackintosh is not only not easier to make,
but once it's up, that it's not always a sunny day. There are sometimes issues with system updates.
There are sometimes issues about hardware incompatibilities, especially if you're working
in a pro workflow, some video codecs are not enabled or they're slower, they're throttled,
or they're limited. And so people ask me as the guy who makes a lot of Hackintoshes on his channel, why do you have an iMac pro in the
background? And my answer is because it always works all the time, 100%. And a Hackintosh,
no matter how good it is, cannot do that. And to me, it's not worth it to have to, even if it's
only troubleshooting, you know, one or two hours a year, that's more than I want to have to do.
Exactly. And when it comes to support or when it even comes to something like like like you said a bug being found you have to update mac os real
quick because you know you don't want that security vulnerability you just can't make that happen
quite as easily on a hackintosh so and when you think about it it doesn't sound that surprising
like wow yeah it's literally called that it's a hackintosh it's kind of a hack together thing yeah something we slap together doesn't work 100 all the time how weird yeah yeah no it's it's
a fun world i'm glad i'm glad it still is a thing that people work on and it's it's an option for
some people like you said you have to know what you want to do with it but i am i'm with you where
like i know exactly what i want to do on my computer. And that does not include troubleshooting and small things like that.
So I've been on this iMac Pro.
I am unbelievably ready for the Mac Pro and dual monitors.
I'm so ready for it.
Do you know you're definitely going to get?
Absolutely.
Do you know what spec you're going to get or you're just going to see what happens?
So pricing has yet to be announced.
Exactly.
That's going to be a pretty large part of it. We want to
buy a base model and then see how far we can push the upgrades as part of a video. Smart. But I think
if it's anything like the iMac Pro, which I'm led to believe it's going to be relatively similar,
Apple likes to keep the same ASP average sales price across their line. And so what you generally
see is that as you upgrade the machine,
the machine upgrades are actually pretty reasonable. They used to charge you an arm
and a leg for RAM and CPU upgrades. RAM, always RAM, yeah.
And it's still rough, but by the time you do it yourself, you're really not saving much money,
if any at all. And because this is an open box, right? The Mac Pro, you pull off the side panel
and you're ready to go. I can't imagine imagine Apple's gonna rip people off because they just won't do it. I can definitely imagine Apple ripping people off
I'll just put that out there. I can definitely imagine that but if you can if you can replace the RAM yourself in five minutes
Yes, I mean double for that. Yeah, maybe
I've seen over the years and I thought the same thing and I guess you can't upgrade the RAM in a lot of these computers
that I'm remembering in recent memory, but they would charge
one and a half times the price of the RAM that you could upgrade yourself.
That's maybe a good point.
I don't know if maybe the average customer of the Mac Pro
is less likely to do that, or if they're going to just buy
whatever they think will work from Apple.
Because there's going to be enterprise customers that just buy the completed box buying this
machine and education market and they don't want to pay some it guy to switch out the ram they just
want it ready to go yeah so that might happen so uh we'll see but i i hope not yeah i hope not but
i have high hopes for this mac pro i'm also i'm curious because we're both creators and we edit
video and things like that all the time are you a dual monitor guy you have the imac pro so you're just a one monitor guy i
am a one monitor man and i always have been really i even had a pc for for a while that i was using
back in my premiere days yeah that i was using for video editing and i tried two monitors didn't
like it and went back to one oh my god i i've been i when i was in high school i was a triple monitor guy and when i went to college i went down yeah one of those pcmr i i eventually
turned into a a dual a dual monitor guy yeah and you know that was that was kind of my my sweet
spot of like having the amount of real estate i need the bezels have to be thin enough like i
there's certain monitors i like for that um but geez i've
been on this imac pro with these thick bezels for a while and i've been just itching to have dual
monitors again and that's a big reason why i'm excited for the mac pro that's a good reason is
also to just have ports right in front of me and dual monitors and you can't throw another monitor
next to the imac people do it and it looks weird and i see that all the time. There's like three inches in between them.
It doesn't look great.
No.
And the way it looks has way too much of an effect
on how I feel about it.
Fortunately, I'm in the same boat.
Yeah.
So people who don't know Quinn that well
or they might not even know about it
if they only follow you on YouTube and not on Twitter,
but you have a pretty active Periscope.
Maybe not pretty active.
Periscopes.
You're on Periscope more often. I am but you're on periscope i am the last
man using periscope might possibly be i love it um they're hilarious first of all thanks uh i
specifically remember one when a bunch of mainstream media reporters got mad that apple
invited a ton of creators to do some early shoots and you just kind of went off on them
i've watched it multiple times i tried to to find it. I couldn't this morning.
Probably for the better.
Does the app still work?
Yeah, well, I do it through Twitter.
Okay, so it probably isn't much of a Periscope app.
I think you can see archived Periscopes
through the Periscope app.
Through the app?
Okay, I was just online trying to do it.
Every week it's different.
Twitter never knows what they're doing.
True.
So live streaming is something you're obviously very good at.
It's extremely entertaining.
And I was just wondering if since Periscope, like you said,
you might be the last person on there.
Why Periscope?
Why Periscope?
Do you have any plans in the future for going somewhere else live stream?
I mean, is live just something that you do for fun every once in a while
and don't consider it the same as your videos?
Yeah, it is.
I have thought in certain times to do a video live stream,
but I don't like the idea of putting less polished off-the-cuff content
on my main channel.
And then I don't really want to – the reality is I'm lazy.
I don't want to have to spend time starting a new channel
and making it my live streaming channel
or utilizing something like Instagram Live because my largest social following other than YouTube is Twitter.
Okay.
And so that's generally where I do stuff.
And I'm hyperactive on Twitter to the point where I really got to stop because it's a big waste of time.
I don't get anything in return.
All right, Elon.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
But it's just a place for me to spill my thoughts
and it's been fun.
But I've been,
one of the reasons I'm looking into starting a podcast
is because I want to do it a little more polished
without having to go out and make a full-blown video.
And a whole other thing.
Yeah.
I was wondering,
I was watching it and I was like,
Instagram TV kind of made sense for this.
And then I was like, I don't even know how to get to Instagram TV. So I looked at it. I was like, Instagram TV kind of made sense for this. And then I was like,
I don't even know how to get to Instagram TV.
So I looked at it.
I don't think you have one.
Is the button still there?
I don't even think the button's still there.
I don't think you have a button.
I think the button's gone.
You have a button.
Yeah.
Oh, well, it's on my profile.
Yeah, it's on your profile.
But then that would just be my IGTV channel.
Yeah, it used to be on the home feed, right?
You used to have one at the top of the home feed.
I don't know if it's gone.
So like blink orange for a while
to make sure you knew it was there.
That was a fun time.
They were like, please, this is all we want you to click.
Vertical videos.
Please click this.
Yeah.
And then there was a little bit where, I mean, there is.
Oh, it's still there.
It's still there, but it's not colored.
Wait, what?
I got a little dot.
Oh, it is there.
Okay.
Granted, I don't have a badge on the app icon, so that's good.
So our brains have ignored that there for a little while.
It may as well not exist.
Because there's a separate IGTV app and no for a little while because there's a separate
igtv app and no one no really i don't even know there's a separate app yeah there's a separate
app but that's where you would like explore and find what's trending and all that stuff
at this point now people don't really do that they'll find it in like the explore tab on
instagram explore which is a good integration but uh do you ig instagram live stream at all or no
almost never yeah i've tried it a couple times but
i just don't have enough people to follow and then i i feel like because it's not is it viewable
after the fact now i guess it is now for 24 hours for a while it didn't used to be oh and so it was
like if you're not there then it's done for and i liked the periscope was archived right and they're
still archived so you can watch the periscopes i did years ago right and disappear yeah i don't know
i feel i i love them too by the way i think i think live streams are a whole separate skill
and it's very different yeah it's it's something where like uh a lot of people would ask why
youtubers who hate youtube so much why don't they go to Twitch? Because Twitch is this big competitor.
But this gigantic element of that is that live streaming is a different skill.
And broadcasting and sort of being on for this extended period of time and knowing how to transition through things,
all of that is a whole skill that I don't have,
that I would love to see if you can learn it as well as YouTube.
But I think you do or you did to an extent an extent I mean you go back and watch our old videos
and a lot of them were shot in one take or a couple cuts in the video but they weren't that
good like I watch I watch twitch streamers now who will stream for like hours and be on for hours
and they don't stop and that's stop. And that's its own thing.
That's true, I guess.
So that's what I'm talking about.
I don't have that.
That's amazing to see.
But like, I don't know.
I've seen like, you know, great periscopes
and I'm like, damn, that was great.
I wish I could do that.
Do you think part of it is you could do it in one take
because you knew if you did mess up,
you could go back and then edit it.
Whereas live streaming, you know,
like people are watching this already.
If I mess something up, they saw it. Yeah. I still do that still do that yeah i guess just the fact but it's also like kind of
fun i do instagram live stuff sometimes i'll do unboxings or just like random q a's just when
there's time yeah those are fun you can just talk to people in the comments and they'll we'll just
go back i hate that there's like a minute of lag that's like the worst part of it because sometimes
someone asks a question periscope is quicker is it really okay it's probably 10 seconds see this is the best pitch for yeah let's just
bring periscope back bring it back baby found out of it bring it back to the i'll start i'll start
periscoping again oh we'll see how that goes i'm gonna periscope today that's it's gonna happen
i'm gonna periscope today okay anyway uh yeah no i think it's fun i'm a fan of the periscope
we love it we've had probably every time you periscope something about tesla we've like actually stopped production in here and
listen to it especially when you were oh no when you were a little more into it and and
coming from your mercedes into your tesla and had a lot of great it was that was a great
phase it was such a fun i don't get to observe. You know what it is? It's because it's so honest. Like that perspective of like, okay, I've had this car and my mind was just changed
by something.
And this is my real honest, like first, was it day one you had the car you did?
Yeah.
Like a Periscope and like your real true feelings about like how you feel looking at things.
Very mixed feelings are coming out.
Sure, sure.
Like trying to balance yourself about how you feel.
Like that's real.
I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Yeah.
That's the kind of stuff I want to see more on Periscope or IGTV or Instagram Live.
Yeah.
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All right, welcome back.
So this is our first Q&A with more than two people.
So we'll all just go through the replies of the the tweets of what people want to know either from you quinn or from
all of us or any of us we can just go and see what kind of good questions people have sure
all right i have a good one near the top here okay what piece of tech do you have the most
nostalgia for oh i guess nostalgia implies it's something you've used right
right some i think i have a pretty good answer for me mine is uh the original motorola droid
really that was my first ever android phone but i remember specifically i was on verizon when this
phone came out and the iphone was still 18t only and i was like i want a smartphone and that's the
one i want but i can't get it and then they launched this gigantic
anti iPhone campaign about droid does all these robotic things and I was like
yeah that's kind of that's kind of tight I like that so I bought the original
Motorola Droid I unboxed it that was my first ever phone review and I was really
into that phone that's that's my nostalgia piece i still have one that's a good answer yeah do you have a favorite favorite piece nostalgic one i'd probably go
xbox the first xbox is probably just like the i don't even play on console anymore but
that was the epitome of my like my gaming experience i remember land parties at a friend's
house dragging my living room tv into the back of
my mom's car to go to my friend's house set it up there'd be eight of us playing halo or gears of
war or something did you bring an xbox or you had a friend i would bring he had an xbox i had an xbox
you bring it over you have to get ethernet cables and connect all of them yeah it's system link
that's what you had to do he had a big living room so there would just be tvs back to back
everyone's sitting in the same room just playing halo it was wow it was incredible i miss i miss those days a
lot online play is is fun and way easier but i miss everyone going to the same house yeah no real
life friend okay mine has got to be the imac g3 mostly because it was the first computer the first
piece of tech that I ever really got it was the Bondi Blue model or Bondi Blue that's a
B-O-N-D-I it's an Australian something and every time they get mad at me for saying the wrong way
so okay sorry Australia just spell it and leave it at that. Yeah, yeah.
Anyway, it was the first Mac I ever had,
first computer I ever had.
Played a lot of humongous games on there.
Backyard Sports, you ever play that?
I love Backyard Basketball.
Backyard Basketball was awesome.
Yeah, I was Backyard's baseball guy, but yeah, that's kind of where my first interaction
with technology was.
And Apple.
Is that the one that's over there in that box?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I have an unopened iMac.
I know.
I keep looking at it.
I remember that from, I had one in school actually.
So the teacher, it was whatever, classroom iMac or something like that.
But yeah, you could play like Solitaire or whatever little, I think it was Tetris actually,
a bunch of games on it.
So the schools had those.
So that was some of my first pieces of tech.
I also remember my first piece of tech
I ever bought with my own money
was a second gen iPod Touch.
Wow.
And that was before my YouTube channel,
before anything on video.
Brought to school, it was stolen from me within like a week.
It was great.
It was heartbreaking.
I called my mom crying like,
Mom, I need to go back to the Apple store.
I need to file a police report.
Yeah, that was a fun time.
All right, so I've got a question for you.
All right.
This one comes from Twitter.
Is 1080p still acceptable for a flagship smartphone display
like the new OnePlus 7T and Note 10?
Okay, so the way he asked that question,
if you hadn't given the example of OnePlus 7T,
I would have said it's more of a no.
But if you do consider that a flagship, then yes.
So flagship, the word flagship implies it's the highest end,
the torchbearer for your technology.
This is the bleeding edge of what you can offer.
Acceptable, yes. Ideal, no. You'd want it to be 1440. That would be amazing. bearer for your technology this is the bleeding edge of what you can offer yeah um acceptable yes
ideal no you'd want it to be 1440 that would be amazing um but in a phone 11 in the iphone 11 it's
828 yeah it's low it's low and that's i think a lit it's barely acceptable like people accept it
but begrudgingly like it it really could be much better that's fair i agree um so 1080p is
acceptable yeah okay but i'm fascinated by the iphone 11 the argument that's made and i think
at least historically it was a good one is that the battery life's better true because the gpu
doesn't have to work as hard this is always an argument one plus made when they never went to
1440p all the way up until this year with the OnePlus 7 Pro, they're always like, look, it's OLED.
It's going to last a long time at 1080,
and it's good enough for you, so it's good enough.
And they really were good displays.
And they were right, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, but I don't know.
Acceptable is the word they chose,
so I think it's acceptable.
I agree, I guess.
I focus more on kind of the color science
and the brightness of the backlight.
I mean, I look at the iPhone 11 display display and there are displays that are 1080p some even 1440p that i think look
worse than that display now not less sharp because they are sharper right but the color is bad and
the backlighting is uneven the evenness exactly the color is super yellow or weird yeah the viewing
angles a lot of things are things are also to be considered.
I think it really comes down to what you're looking at.
So if you're a normal person who's just looking at the screen head on
and you don't necessarily care about a lot of the smaller things,
it's kind of like judging a car by the 0 to 60.
Yeah.
It's like, well, there are plenty of cars that don't have the 0 to 60
of the Tesla, for example,
but there's 85 other things that it does in ways that you might like.
And on a track.
Exactly.
It would, yeah.
It would beat it.
So yeah, there's other ways to judge a screen
aside from just resolution.
Okay.
So if you can hit those other things well,
then, you know, I'll accept 1080p.
So make good screens, everyone.
Please, as a pixel peeper, please make good screens.
I have one actually from a CDF man so snazzy q what is your favorite
thing in mkbhd studio also what is your favorite and least favorite tech product out right now
wow that's a loaded question it's a lot all right well my favorite thing in the studio right now
currently has got to be mac over there on the couch. He just looks adorable. Just guarding the door.
He's been surprisingly quiet for this recording.
He's just chilling.
Favorite and least favorite tech product?
I feel like I think about this sometimes
and there's no real good answer.
Or some people say best and worst.
Like what's the worst product that came out this year?
And that's so hard to answer
because I think I said this on the
last episode where uh the royal flex pie was like it is a pretty horrible phone like it was an
attempt at a folding phone it did okay but like it had a lot of things that were really bad about it
but at the same time it's a folding phone which is like kind of amazing so i i you know i kind of have to
weigh that with it so i feel like the really truly bad products we don't even really have in here
it's just that's not gonna make it to store shelves yeah all right i have a good one now
from uh mx johnson max i think andrew this is pretty much for you but we'll see how it goes
do you guys uh like camping or going on hikes?
And if yes, are you the guy that leaves all the tech behind
or are you the guy with two power banks and a solar charger just in case?
So I love camping and hiking.
We've been going to a lot of national parks the last couple of years
and it's been super, super fun.
And we had a quick podcast talking about bringing cameras to them
and what's a good form factor and all that. Uh, I don't bring power banks on any of them. Um,
solar charger. No, no solar charger. I don't, I can't imagine. I don't think I've ever
hiked and sat down long enough to get anything, any type of excess from that. I think a big thing
is when you're out in a lot of the like more remote areas, you don't get service out there.
So there it's not like you're looking at Twitter on,
on your hike.
They're long hikes.
You're not really using your phone that much.
You pop it out to take a picture.
And if you're bringing a DSLR,
you're never on your phone.
Uh,
I guess the only thing I could think of is playing music,
but you never want to be that person hiking in the backwoods,
like blasting music out loud.
Uh,
so if anyone's doing that, please don't, don't be that guy. Yeah. Don to be that person hiking in the backwoods, like blasting music out loud. So if anyone's doing that, please don't.
Don't be that guy.
Yeah, don't be that guy.
So, yeah, I wouldn't say I totally disconnect.
If I had the chance, there probably would be things.
If I found something really cool that I thought would be fun while hiking
that was tech-related, yeah, I'd do it.
I don't try to disconnect,
but I don't wind up using a lot of tech out there
yeah i think the thing about solar i thought that was funny but also there's there's a whole
conversation about putting solar panels on cars um and i think we we'd had a lot of time with a
karma rivera which had a solar panel on the roof and that collected exactly enough energy to power
the instrument cluster in the dashboard it's not recharging your car.
So solar panels are not at the efficiency level that you'd want them to be to really be useful on the go.
So just a fun fact.
Quinn, you're out in Utah.
I am out in Utah.
There's probably some good hiking and stuff out there.
You said you visit Montana sometimes.
There's some amazing hiking where I'm at.
I'm in the Rockies.
The whole area is amazing.
I'm not
not a camping guy you know day hikes absolutely yeah i'll i'll i'll camp begrudgingly once but
hiking i'm all i'm all for hiking it's amazing i think i prefer hiking camping sometimes i went
out to colorado and i wish i camped just because of when i visited a friend at a campsite and saw
the stars
and they got to wake up to the sun hitting the mountains and stuff that was incredible yeah we
don't do not get stars we have you probably get stars we get amazing so you can go glamping we'll
do a trip every year it's best trip of the year lake powell okay so glen canyon dam this massive
enormous lake that's basically the grand canyon okay but filled with water and you get a houseboat
so you there's air conditioning and beds that sounds but you're still outside you can't you
bring a wakeboard boat and you can go water skiing you're still in nature you can go hiking but then
you have you know a nice meal and a cozy bed that's the way to do it yeah i'm for that i'm not
the kind of guy who needs to be roughing it. I can enjoy the outdoors while understanding that I have the luxuries of the modern day world with me.
It's 2019.
Let's not get carried away.
Yeah.
Oh, I have one.
Just about, it's so in the weeds,
but that's what a podcast is for.
Tech videos.
What's your preferred aspect ratio?
Two to one or 16 by nine?
That's a good question.
Yeah?
I publish in two to one.
Okay.
When did you switch over?
Because we were all 16 by nine a couple of years ago.
Yeah.
I feel like we all, I mean, John did it first, I think.
I would say.
Is that true?
That's probably fair.
And then you were pretty soon after.
Yeah.
And I think after, I'd like to copy Marques.
So after Marques did it, I was like, all right, we'll do it.
I think it's been about a year.
Yeah.
Maybe since a lot of us switched. I think that's right. I think Pixel was our first video. So yeah, right around the year. Pixel 3
review. Okay. So yeah, right about a year. I will say I still like 16 by 9 for some things.
I love it. But something about the frame, and this is also part of just the way the red sensor looks,
but of using the full width of that really big sensor it looks super good in two to one so i'm i'm all about just using as much of the sensor
as possible uh so this is this is at quinn but i think i would kind of be interested with marquez
in this we'll just change it a little so it says uh how does snazzy q find mac tricks what's his
process when he makes these videos but i think just in general a lot of tech youtubers find
tips and tricks about different things and not all of them figured out theirself so
what's a process like where are you guys looking to find all these these cool tricks sure so i've
been using the mac basically since i was born as soon as i was able to use a computer i was on a
mac my dad's always been an apple guy so he's the one that cursed me from birth, I suppose.
Anyway, just because of how long I've been using the Mac,
I kind of know a lot of power user shortcuts and features.
But there are so many things in these operating systems
that you just continue to learn more and more every day.
And I've been caught red-handed a couple times
where I'm showing some trick off in Safari
and people are like, hey, you just Googled for Mac tips.
So there are a few that I have to look around the web for but yeah yeah yeah no i think a lot of you might be referring to android but like there's a lot of little little quick
niche things that you just find sometimes by accident honestly you'll just do something by
accident you'll be like oh i didn't mean to do that but also i've never seen it do that what
just happened and you'll just sort of take note um and then maybe you get an idea of i'd like to
put all the safari tips in one place and just recall as many things as you can and pull from
other places so it's sort of a nice way to put all the information in one place i think that's
kind of our job at the end of the day is to combine as much information as we can into one place
and hopefully have it be entertaining.
So if that works, then mission accomplished.
I like this question.
Maybe we can end on it.
What do you think of the Xiaomi Mi Mix Alpha?
So I don't know if you've seen it, but if you haven't seen it
and you're listening to this podcast, just Google Xiaomi Mi Mix Alpha.
Good luck spelling that.
Google the phone that the glass curves all the way around to the back
because this is a very interesting-looking concept phone
where we like to talk about screen-to-body ratio all the time.
The more screen you have, the less bezel you have,
the better your screen-to-body ratio.
An 80% to 85% screen-to-body ratio is pretty good.
You have a little sliver on the forehead and chin. 90 to body ratio is pretty good you have a little little sliver on the
forehead and chin um 90 and above is really good maybe you just have a little cut out for the front
face and camera uh this phone i think they said has like 180 percent were they gonna go over 100
they did go think about that yeah and they only do that because the screen curves around the sides
and all the way around to the back of the phone. And then there's just a rectangular strip on the back
with the camera strip, basically.
So you're just holding a screen.
You're holding glass.
There's so many questions about it.
How fragile is it going to be?
Is it going to break every time it even looks at a concrete surface?
What are you touching when you're touching the back of the
phone is that going to respond to your touch or is it just dead pixels back there what's going on
um how do you guys feel about this screen to body ratio going over 100 for the mi mix alpha
my question would be why but at the same time i said that for the original mi mix and the mi mix
too which if we look at the current smartphone market I said that for the original Mi Mix and the Mi Mix 2,
which if we look at the current smartphone market,
all of the new phones look like that phone.
The Mi Mix, yeah.
Yeah.
So maybe Xiaomi's onto something.
At the same time, I asked myself,
why do I want a screen on the back of my phone?
Because maybe there have been phones in the past where there are dual displays,
so you flip the phone over and there's multitasking on a separate workspace, so to speak.
Yeah.
But because that camera strip is there, you don't really have a full display on the back.
It's like two weird little.
It's you know what it is or what the way it seems to me is it's just them flexing literally that they can curve a screen like that. So, yes.
Yeah.
that they can curb a screen like that.
So yes, the Mi Mix has been sort of pioneering for this whole aesthetic of smartphones that we have
of very, very small bezels and huge screens.
I don't know if this is them going further into the future of smartphones
or if this is just them going further into the future of less bezels.
Yeah, I don't know.
And it's very specific.
I like Samsung's strategy more. Yeah yeah i don't think there's any
features for that back screen i can't think of any reason yeah i don't think there were there
were any details i mean there's some with the strip on the back here it's not even a full screen
on the back what could you be putting on there i've read a couple articles about it and as far
as i know they just keep showing your wallpaper back there as you use the. And maybe they'll update it and they'll come up with some cool features
like a little tiny mini app to go on the back, a timer.
I don't know what it is, but as far as I know,
there's no actual concrete reason or a use case
to put a screen across the sides and the back.
They had tickers going down the side for things like that,
but the back screen.
I mean, it looks good.
The marketing is going to look fantastic for it but the best part of it okay here's the
best part of it the charging animation which was someone replied with the charging animation if you
plug the phone in basically all the phone lights up as if it's like a candy bar like charging the
entire thing it looks like the phone icon yeah that's kind of cool yeah wait i'm gonna find it
and it's perfect because you're gonna be charging that thing a lot keep my battery is that it confirmed what
the animation is or uh i think it was on xiaomi's site so this is what they're planning but let me
find the charging animation oh here's a use case smaller apps on the back okay okay well that's neat i guess
uh here's a charging animation though people went nuts for this okay that's that's really
cool that looks like the future yeah if i'm being honest um who wants to describe that to the people
listening in the car right now i mean if you picture a phone with this display spilling over
the edges and onto the back you're kind of just looking at what looks like a i mean if you picture a phone with this display spilling over the edges and
onto the back you're kind of just looking at what looks like a it looks like you're filling up a
glass with water sideways yeah just because the rest of the pixels are dark you have this this
like pouring juice into the phone type of look from that cable it's pretty awesome not gonna
lie it's really dumb but i want it i like it i like it i'm with you all right well
that's pretty much all the time we have thank you so much quinn for joining us for this inaugural
guest episode of wave forum and listen if you're if you're one of the people listening to this
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