Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - New Meta Quest 3S and the AR Future!

Episode Date: September 27, 2024

This week was Meta Connect so Marques and Andrew spend the majority of the episode talking about the new Quest 3S, the special edition clear Ray-Ban glasses, and the Orion glasses the company has been working with behind the scenes. But first, Marques gives an update on the Panels app and all of the feedback that has been received followed by Andrew giving a quick overview of the new Garmin Fenix 8 smartwatch that he's been using. We wrap it all up with a new pair of earbuds from Nothing and, of course, some trivia. It's a jam-packed episode, enjoy! Links:  Mark Gurman Bloomberg Article: https://bloom.bg/3MXAj14 MKBHD iPhone 16 Video: https://bit.ly/3N5Uutu Verge Meta Quest 3S: https://bit.ly/3TItd4h Alex Heath Orion Story: https://bit.ly/3TOcYmb Nothing Ear Open: https://bit.ly/3TK8xZQ SoundGuys Sennheiser HD820: https://bit.ly/3ZBcS5d Hyperfixed Podcast: https://bit.ly/4dq2lgv Music provided by Epidemic Sound  Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Socials: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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computer chips inside of them would you buy clear glasses with like non-working computer parts inside just because it looks cool but then people are gonna think i'm recording them and that's weird oh so you might as well be able to record them i'm in a real predicament here yeah that's a tough that's a tough situation i sympathize yo what is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts i'm marquez and i'm andrew and that's it small crew today also adam's out but ellis is here. Hey. Hey. And yeah, this is fun fact, episode 251. So I feel like I'm just shouting that out.

If you know, you know. It's 251. It's 251. In today's episode, we have Apple Intelligence update timing, a quick review on a new Garmin watch, and then we'll talk a little bit about MetaQuest, or sorry, MetaConnect 2024, which had a new MetaQuest in it. It's a good time. I also wanted to jump in right off the top and talk panels a little bit.

It was like the talk of the entire internet accidentally for like a couple days. At least our internet, for sure. Yeah. And it branched out a bit. Yeah, like my For You page and everything about it um which has its upsides and downsides i will say uh the original idea of panels as some of you may know if you watch the iphone review was we'd been working behind the scenes on a wallpaper app which is hosting and sharing all the wallpapers that i've been using and more art by the same

artists all in one place. So as you can imagine, for a decade, people have been asking me where my wallpapers come from. So this is sort of a natural thing to just sort of plug and own and have available to you guys. And so I kind of plugged in there and it kind of got like scooped up as like this gigantic thing. I think maybe the number one most common comment i saw was who would want to pay for wallpapers like who would want a whole app just for wallpapers um which to me it was like well i'm in a community where lots of people like change wallpapers all the time and it's really fun but to the because it's the mkbhd channel and the ip review, and there's like way more eyeballs on it, it became this massive thing. Um, but because it became this massive thing, lots of eyeballs on it, lots of appropriate critique, which I think really helped us lots of, I think you could call it a

sloppy launch from us, but definitely a lot of learnings for like what we want to, to create and make really good for all the artists involved down the road. A couple things I do want to address, because they were all over Twitter and threads and stuff that I saw. Number one is on the disclosures. If you go to the iPhone app store and scroll down enough, there's a set list of disclosures. This is actually already fixed by the time this goes live, but just to explain,

because people have posted about it, there was this whole list of like all these disclosures of what the app may ask for permission to use, like, you know, location and all sorts of other stuff like that. The app, just to be clear, never will ask for any of that stuff. But because our app has ads,

there are suggested disclosures that you can sort of just blanket enable that most other apps that have ads from AdMob and things like that will also just enable just to be safe. But that was a huge red flag for a lot of people. And so appropriately, we have adjusted them to a more finite list of what is actually applicable to our app. Yeah, and a reasonable red flag. Yeah, totally. So that was good. Another one is, God, so somehow this rumor popped out

that we bought an old wallpaper app and then rebranded it or something. Yeah. And then I found out exactly how this rumor started which is people saw the panel's twitter account and saw that the account had been created i think in like 2021 yeah and made the direct leap from there to suggest that this app has existed since 2021 which is not true obviously we've been well maybe not obviously we've been developing this ourselves and we've got people here in the studio helping us work on this um the account itself was a username that was salvaged that was inactive that we got to switch to actually have the panel's username

and then now it says it's us because we got to take the account and now it's looks like an older account but trust me the app did not exist back then. And that was one of the weirdest rumors that I saw. And one of the last things I wanted to jump in on was on the question of AI in the art. As people have known, these are a lot of human artists working on a lot of their art and making their photos and things available. And somebody had asked, is there any ai in here and i said yes because i actually know there's a specific example of there's an artist that's using ai to augment photos of skyscrapers to turn them into like different looking buildings and to edit them they're

heavily edited and they look super sick but technically that is ai and someone suggested labeling them as ai so I want to do that. I want to make that specific change in our app. So thank you again for the feedback on that. But yeah, in general, this is an entirely curated list. It's a relatively small collection. It's a few hundred pieces right now, but obviously it's things you've seen in previous videos,

on laptops, on phones, on monitor monitor behind me on an iMac and things like that so I can now always say like this this is where you get it you always have like the answer to your question right in front of you which was the idea of it existing so yeah we have plenty of work ahead of us on a lot of the code a lot of the design a lot of the fun stuff that you guys have all given us feedback on so again we appreciate that um and we hope to work pretty quickly on basically all the feedback we've gotten at the end of the day the the mass like most people don't change their wallpaper all the time and i understand that i'm on that i am like once a year maybe at most um and so i think yeah people will just hop on google

images and find whatever they want totally cool this is as we knew from the beginning like a small group of people who wants a specific answer to a question which is these are some cool wallpapers i want let me see where i can get them so that's what panels is uh to the the irony of me promising it would be more of an app in the future i still i still say don't get the app based on the promise of the future of the app get it based on what it is today which is a wallpaper app hopefully we can improve it soon but don't take my word for it if you like it now use it if you don't uninstall it it's fine maybe later down the road it'll be better and that's our goal so we're to be working on this for a while. I think obviously like we didn't get to go over

every single thing that we've seen the feedback for, but we have spent a lot of time collecting feedback and it's something that's going to be a process of figuring it all out. And our goal is ultimately just like make something that the people who always ask for what wallpaper it is in videos enjoys and can find some cool things and we're partnering with some artists that we really like so yeah hopefully we can just make a really cool

curated set of wallpaper in a nice app and uh the people who want to use it hopefully enjoy it down the road and hopefully we prove to everybody that it can be enjoyed yeah yeah i think the the zoomed way out philosophy for like everything that i publish on any channel is like making content that I would want to watch, making a channel that I would want to subscribe to. Like that's been the ethos. And this is making an app that I would want. Yeah. I would really just want a sick app full of the best wallpapers that I think are from super talented people that also makes them money. It's a little platform for them to be in front of more eyeballs. So

hopefully we can accomplish that. Yeah. Um, okay. So Apple intelligence release timings. This is interesting because in the iPhone review, the rest of that video, we talked about, uh, obviously the iPhone 16 is coming out and 16 pros and how like so much of the advertising for the phone is Apple intelligence, even though it doesn't come with the phone out the box. Yes. So the question is, when does it come out? It turns out it's in stages. A lot of stages. Yeah. Stages that I'm a little confused about still. So maybe reading this what mark german said in his bloomberg article you can help me differentiate when this is um

so it says that apple is racing to complete uh the ios 18.2 upgrade which will include features like genmoji chat gpt integration and image playground then um it's looking to release that by early november so it can ship it by december then ios 18.3 will completed by the be completed by the end of the year for january release and then 18.4 which includes new siri features um is scheduled to be released in March after being completed in February. Okay. Yeah. So like, the very TLDR of that is the majority of the stuff they showed in the iPhone 16 event will be fully out in March.

Yeah. Six months after the announcement release. Yeah, halfway to the next iPhone. Yes. So basically, all iphones that are coming out now have ios 18.0 which will be the same basically for everyone's iphones everywhere ios 18.1 which i've been using a beta of is coming relatively soon that has the first few apple intelligence features that's only coming to iphone 15s and 16s or 15 pros

okay and 16s and 16 pros uh that's because they're built from the ground up with apple intelligence and they have the ram and they can they're capable of these things can i just jump in there because you mentioned ram yeah it seems like what i've been seeing and you can correct me on this is that it's really the ram that's the differentiator between this that the phones with eight gigs of ram and not so much the silicon is much different it's it seems to be both i mean they definitely seem to know that you need more ram to use and store and operate a lot of these AI, these models on the device. So yes, the pros and non pros all have eight gigs of Ram this year. Typically in the past, it's been like three

gigs of Ram on the non pro phone and six on the pro and you know, great. You can play higher end games. You can have even more apps and memory, but now they all have eight, which is kind of funny because now I'm like, Hey, that's better for the non pro phones. Even if you never use Apple intelligence. Yeah, for sure. But yes yes you need that memory and i think there's also improved neural engines on both chips uh to facilitate running the models but because the chip in the iphone 15 obviously works it's the ram 15 pro yes because it has enough ram and a powerful enough okay cool yeah so yeah 18.1 is going to come out. It's going to have, like, the writing tools.

It has the new Siri animation, but not so much of the new functionality, which is kind of funny. So, it's like it'll do the rainbow glow around the outside. But, like, you can see here, there's still things coming later. And I guess this is basically ranked on how difficult they are to make so the stuff that they know works pretty well which is summarizing stuff writing tools new series animation things those notification summaries which honestly i think i'm going to turn off pretty soon oh yeah because it's you get a text message that's like 12 words long and then it summarizes it into an even shorter sentence and it's it's not actually that useful like most of my notifications

are not that long if i get an email i'll just read the email like the subject line is enough of a summary for me so i just find the notification summaries aren't actually useful to me i'll probably turn it off i guess like in a sense it's less of trying to get the context of it and more the context of like how urgent is this text messages yeah in the summary like in that summary if it says like oh my god mom's in the hospital like yeah that is like something i want to hit but if it's just like hey mom was calling about visiting eight months from now and like when we could schedule like you'd be like i'll save that for seven months from yeah the one time it's useful is when you have a ton of messages from the same app over time so we do a podcast we sit here i go back out and the group

chat was lit there's 80 new messages then it'll try to summarize that all in like two sentences i hope nothing ever summarizes our slack server. It would be chaos. It does. Let me see. I don't know if it's doing anything. Please don't read it out loud. Slack summaries. Yeah, they're not. They look not great. So I made a tweet about this,

and there was a lot of polarizing responses in terms of this like when... Oh, the timeline. The timeline of when everything's coming out. And I'll totally agree that on twitter i it was a bit extravagant in my way of tweeting um and maybe like a little over the top uh my biggest thing was just like six months later which it from the time that this will be fully released if it's in march is six months after September. A lot of people thought the math was wrong on that,

but I think it's just because there's multiple different timelines of it, of different updates. It just feels like so much of the announcement was focused on this, including labeling the heart of the iPhone 16 as like this new AI integration stuff, a new Siri and whatnot.

That feels like halfway there is a very long time. this new AI integration stuff, a new Siri and whatnot, that feels like halfway there is a very long time. And I think both sides of the responses that I were getting were kind of like all over the place to like, oh man, I think you'll survive without it, which I agree on. I think everyone will survive without it.

But a lot of people being like, Apple's totally done for. This is like the nail in the coffin. I can't believe they're waiting that long, which is also definitely not going to happen. I just think halfway through a lineup, we run into so many people that are like, should I upgrade to the next phone?

Should I upgrade to the next phone? And that six month mark is like the legitimate differentiator of like, well, how bad do you need it now? Because we are now on the closer side of the next phone. We six month mark is like the legitimate differentiator of like well how bad do you need it now because we are now on the closer side of the next phone we're over the hill you know when it's yeah when it's october and someone's like should i wait for the next iphone it's like well it just came out in fact you probably can't even get the new one right now yeah but when you're starting to get into the second part the down the descent of the roller

coaster yeah it's a little more well maybe you wait. So this feels like a wait year. Yeah. You're right. We know every year in September, there's a new iPhone. So if I go ahead and recommend someone gets a phone because of Apple intelligence and they don't get it until six months later, then it feels like they could have just waited for the next phone. Yeah. That's the thought. I, yeah, I understand that. Look. Look, we also know someone like every year who buys the new iPhone a week before the new one comes out. Like that's a lot of people just don't pay attention to that.

So they're just after whatever they need when their phone breaks. For sure. And I don't want to take away from people who are legitimately excited about all of these new features and in their eyes want to get them as fast as possible or even are really

excited about the beta i never like suggest people to download the beta but you will be getting to try these things out faster doing that and for people who you know listen to this podcast and probably are downloading beta that's probably super fun yeah but um as a general whole six months later in this if like my like aunt or uncle was like oh i saw that awesome thing that's coming out on the new iphone should i get it i'm gonna be like well you don't it's not even out right now you can probably wait yeah the most interesting feature to me is like the fully finished upgraded siri which i want to review apple intelligence when it's done and maybe it's not till march that i can make that video but the new siri which is

supposed to be able to like reach into apps and like do actions for you and things like that and hopefully be more smart and conversational and maybe even multimodal i don't even know i'm it's been so long since i've heard this pitch from apple but i i can't use that till february at the earliest in some beta so waiting to see for sure you know it's interesting because that's a good segue. We didn't have this on the outline, but in the Pixel 9 Pro Fold review, which should be probably coming out

sometime around this podcast, is the question of should you buy a Pixel now because of the hype that's already kind of bubbling up around the next Tensor chip with the Pixel 10. So Pixel got Tensor a little while ago which was exciting because it was designed by google and they could have some some effect on not an off the shelf part and they could optimize for maybe more neural engine whatever but uh it's still like made by samsung it's still not fully like three nanometer tsmc like super high end and it appears that it looks like they're finally going to have their own first fully

custom chip with the next one the tensor g5 chip or whatever it is in the pixel 10 and so i'm sitting here i'm reviewing these phones like the pixel 9 is really good and i wonder how many years it'll be a really good phone it's promised seven years of software updates and all that and the pixel 9 pro fold is like one of my favorite folding phones ever and I'm genuinely very impressed with it and the only thing stopping me from going yeah just get this phone it's great is maybe the next one is a huge leap forward like closing the gap to qualcomm being just as power efficient way way more efficient, like having all these other advantages. But we don't know yet.

It's still kind of a rumor. It's sort of a background noise to these new phones. So that's something to keep an eye on. I think the Fold, or I guess you're saying about all of them, but like, yeah, if you're buying the fold, I would assume a lot of people purchasing folds as expensive as they are, have the disposable income to potentially be upgrading every year. So like, or you really are saving up for a while and you won't be buying another phone for a long time. If that's your case and we think that's going to be a significant upgrade, then maybe it's

time to wait. But it seems really early to be saying should i wait for the next pixel that's been out for a month but that's the word on the street there's like articles about it like should you buy these phones or like wait another year have we have you recalled a scenario where the phone isn't even out yet and people are saying should i wait for the next one? Oh, iPhones. People do that with the iPhone. Like pre-iPhone coming out,

they're like, oh, the new one's coming out, but should I wait for the next one? Yeah, because there's really these roadmap leaks now of people going like, the dynamic island's going to go away, or this port's going to go, like this is what's going to happen

three iPhones from now, and people going like, all right, that's the one I want. We've probably talked about this. Yeah, it's probably happening. That's wild. Yeah, so, hey, it's all just sort of we don't know we can't predict the future this is just like looking into our foggy crystal ball and going it kind of looks like this might happen i want to say

two more really quick things about this um one is if there was a company if there was one of the companies to trust that like these updates will eventually come out, I trust places like Apple, Google, Samsung more than newer ones. But I still agree with if you're only looking for those things at this point, just wait till it comes out and get the phone. Then you'll still be able to get the phone. Then you might even hit a sale at some point. Probably if it's Google, you will hit a sale. Yeah. Yeah.

My other thing is the reason I think it being so much weirder with apple do this and a lot of people saying like google's done this samsung's done that it just feels less common for apple but i think we're getting to the point where this feels you know release a phone shove a bunch of features in our face and now we don't get half them till later unfortunately feels like the norm for kind of everyone oh yeah yeah i mean we've talked about before it's been a running joke extreme especially i mean with apple it's been it's i think it's a camera feature every year for like the last five years of iphone there will be one camera feature that they go and this deep fusion mode is coming later this year coming soon or whatever and we'll have to wait for the next dot one beta to go oh it, it's finally here. But they typically deliver on that promise.

And those air power infamously never came out. They typically deliver on that promise. So hopefully that trend continues. Yeah, this is like the bigger, the bigger thing that they spend so much time on where like camera feature or cinematic camera where like the deep end of the camera section, which is at the end of the keynote.

They got into the primary feature yeah cool all right can i tell you about my new garmin watch i'm kind of sad adam's not here because he would be hype with me but you can tell me about that as long as i can tell you about this new satin black apple watch ultra okay cool we'll compare okay perfect all right so this is the garmin phoenix 8 yeah it's a really interesting watch in my eyes because i was previously using the epics gen 2 actually ellis i think someone dropped a watch off at the door right there can you grab that for me please sorry i forgot it and i asked someone in slack to bring it over um so the last watch i used was the garmin epix gen 2 is this on so it wasn't the first watch they made that was amoled but it was one of the like more extreme watches they made that's amoled oh i hope you turn on um and i loved it i wore this thing on my wrist

for like a year and a half if you can't tell by the severe indent and um but watch tan yeah so it was awesome a lot of stuff garmin did was just with like lcd or these like solar uh screens they have so the resolution was super low quality and despite having great battery life you know you sit in here and look at your apple watch enough times and you go wow this screen i don't love big difference so amoled's great ph. Phoenix was an old, a different, like they've had eight iterations of it now. What they kind of did, and this was speculated at first,

but I did confirm with Garmin, they essentially merged these lines together. So now the Epyx is no more. So like the watch that I was using will not be a watch anymore. And Phoenix, they basically just now offer an amoled selection within the phoenix brand the lineup there is also a solar selection where the screen will not be as good so i stuck with amoled um i love this watch so much it's such a great update i think almost every aspect of it is better than the epics um

it is not cheap this is an eleven hundred dollar watch um but luckily all the watch straps the connection point is the same so i can't i literally used a watch strap my good old knockoff trail loop 25 bucks on amazon nice garmin's watch bands are not great i'm not a huge fan of them but um battery life is the same i'm getting two weeks uh with rays to wake on at like full brightness and plenty of like different activities and stuff is there always on available there is and you'll get knocked down to like a week six days which is still it's pretty good still better than every single always on is like three so yeah so it's like double that and always on um but like it has this this awesome flashlight on the top bright that's

the brightest you can you have a selector um on the side or you can do one and you can even do red which is sorry um which is great for if I'm trying to get into lanes room and get something and want to go like secret agent, you know, put the red on. Um, wait, wait, wait. How does that compare to this flashlight on the, this is the actual flashlight on the Apple watch. I don't know if you guys know in video. Yeah.

It's just a white screen. It just turns the brightness all the way up on bright white, which is fine at night for finding my keys. But this, that's what the epics was just a white screen yeah just for comparison on marquez's camera yes it's that's like almost headlight it's like a flashlight it's like cheap headlight it's an actual flashlight in your watch yeah um the screen is better because the bezels are slimmer so these are both 47 millimeters but the actual this of course isn't charged right now the screen size is way better it feels

way snappier and i can't tell if it's a refresh rate thing or better processor and just faster animations either way it makes the epics feel sluggish um i think it looks fantastic i'm a little bummed that this uh that orange piece on the side is not a button i thought it was going to be an action an extra action button like the apple watch ultra but it is just a microphone um protector i guess some protection piece for the microphone still pro accent colors though i think it looks really good yeah um the watch is great to use the battery life's amazing garmin's watch faces need a lot of help um when i look at apple watches and sam Samsung watch galaxy watches and even pixel watches,

they just like have such good watch faces and Garmin doesn't. And there's third party ones. But I even don't like a lot of them. And some people complain about battery drainage being worse on those, which I don't like. My other issue with it, if you're a Garmin user, if you had an epics the you had like a

physical click on the buttons if you want to try um like that's a pretty satisfying click yeah these are haptic feedback and i don't like it as much it's definitely mushier yeah um but in general big fan of this if you're okay with you you know, $200 more, but I think if you were spending $800 or $900 on the epics, the $200 jump probably isn't wild. I know a 200 jump is wild, but at that price range already, it's probably not. Yeah. The higher the price, the more you can make the argument of 200 extra dollars for. Yeah.

Um, but yeah, but the, you know, I think of 200 extra dollars sure yeah um but yeah but the you know i think these things will last a super long time besides being a little beat up this thing ran just like it did never really lost any battery life out of it it um served me super well for almost two years and now we'll see how long this phoenix lasts me but big fan yeah um this one is the same apple watch ultra but that's the whole thing uh thanks for coming to my ted talk yeah it's really it's literally the same i mean the apple watch ultra that i was using before was the watch actually the first watch ultra because i didn't bother upgrading to the ultra 2 because i didn't need any of the features on it and so now yeah this is the ultra 2 no oxygen sensor i don't think actually i don't

know if that's in here because you know how in the u.s you can't they can't use that feature anymore i mean it definitely doesn't have the feature i don't know if it has the hardware anymore i know nothing about supply chain but considering that it's just a recolor it's probably i wouldn't it literally might be cheaper to continue including it i think rather than remachining something. I believe that. So I would not doubt if it still has it. Well, either way, there's a whole bunch more to talk about because we had MetaConnect.

It had a whole event today. So we're going to get to that after the break. But before we do that, you know what we have to do? Trivia. Apple. We love talking about them here. Apple is a company that is really famous for not looking at your data, not selling your data, except they do kind of look at your data. Well, I can't say when because that's the question.

But at some point in history, Craig got on stage at a WWDC and said, hey, we're going to start looking at your data and training AI on that. And they called that policy differential privacy to say, hey, this is how we're going to look at your stuff and keep it private. And I want to know when that was. And I'll accept one of two answers. I'll accept the year that Craig said this. I will also accept the iOS version that included these privacy ingresses, if you choose to use that term. Now, you said to train on AI. Was that actually what they said or no? I feel like that wouldn't be what they said. Let me pull up the official statement.

Yeah. This was a quote that they said on stage. This is on stage at DubDub. Craig said it. It's like one of those things where I'm like, is it recent because they talked about AI or was it so long ago before they were worried about talking about AI?

They may have used the term machine learning. I'm going to need to go to the dub dub and pull up the transcript real quick. I mean, either way, the question is in what year. No better or worse for Marques or I. We're working on the same amount of information here. Yeah. It would be incredible if you pulled up the soundbite

and played the clip of Craig saying it, because that would be fun to try to guess from that. Except you might say, like, in iOS blank. Let me, during the second segment, I'll see if I can pull it up and get it ready for you. If it helps, though, the four things. Apple said we're only going to look at four things on your phone. Just four. We're going to look at new words that you add to your dictionaries.

Just four. We're going to look at new words that you add to your dictionaries. We're going to look at which emojis you use and how frequently so that we can make better suggestions. We're going to look at deep links inside apps. And we're going to look at your lookup hints within notes. What's a lookup hint? I do not know. Okay, cool.

Interesting. All right. right well this sounds familiar yeah sounds like something craig would say we'll think about it answers will be at the end like usual and we'll be right back 70,000 people are here and Bob Dylan is the reason for it inspired by the true story if anyone is going to hold your attention on stage you have to kind of be a freak are you a freak?

hope so and starring Timothee Chalamet as Bob Dylan he defied everyone turn it down they lied to change everything make some noise bd timothy chalamet edward norton el fene monica barbaro a complete unknown only in theaters christmas day all right welcome back we're going to go over medic connect 2024 it happened today while we were recording a podcast earlier because we recorded two podcasts

today um and we came in kind of towards the end of it but i i tried to like look over a bunch of it read some great articles and let's go over what they announced met meta connect is always this like this mix of like wow that's super interesting and cool and like wow that's really creepy and kind of cringe. Yeah, it's like their developer conference, more or less. But in other developer conferences that we typically think of, or at least typically cover, it's like IO or WWDC or something like that, where the company makes hardware and software and has to connect the two and has platforms for developers to make apps for like google or apple in meta's case they they don't make phones but they do have platforms

and they do have kind of ai and they have products and now it makes sense they have these glasses and they have these headsets but it's just a little different and it's also it's zuck and it's like a mix of other uh product categories that are a little just a little different in just case anyone's upset that i called it cringe zuck was wearing a shirt that said um or nothing in latin in latin so um it's gotta be some joke that i didn't understand i don't know it's i have no maybe it's an inside joke um i wasn't invited to that inside joke so i will not like it um but anyways they did announce some cool things i think one of the things they announced right off the bat is one of the coolest things they announced which was the quest quest 3s yeah um this is cool i think like the super super TLDR of it is the Quest 2 was pretty awesome

as the standalone VR device, which had an extremely affordable in the VR space, like relative to VR space headset. And I think it's brought most of the people we know now who experience VR, it's been brought to the people we know now who experience VR. It's been brought to them. It's been a lot of their first time experiencing it.

It's easily the most successful way of doing it. But the problem, Quest 3 was a really good update, but it also had a $200 or I think there was a change to $100. It was $500. It's $500 when it launched. So there's something about the $500 mark that just automatically is like okay this is like pretty expensive yeah so with the quest 3s essentially what they announced and i think you can pre-order it by now it's shipping october 15th is something along the lines of this like in between between the quest 2 and the quest 3

where it is the same processor as the quest 3, but it looks like the lenses are different at the same resolution as the Quest 2, which is 1832 by 1920 per eye. But the Quest 2's, you know, the resolution's pretty good in there. I never had a lot of problems. I wasn't doing too much. Again, if it's your first VR headset,

you won't really have other things to visually, mentally compare it to, and it'll probably be impressive no matter what, no matter what you're doing. So like pretty much it seems like meta has, you know, this is pixel pixel a kind of stuff like that. You know,

if you on top of the line, not thinking about the quest pro, because that feels like such a different item in general, but, but having this retired, is it retired quest pro? Did it get retired? But did I miss that?

It was discontinued now. Yeah. Wow. That was fast. Okay. Cool. That was two years ago that we saw that. Yeah.

Jeez. Do you still use yours, Ellis? Do I still? Not really. Like, but to be honest, I guess this says a lot about how I feel about it. I stopped using it because someone took it off my desk. That's it. That's all it took.

Once it was out of sight, i guess it was out of mind do we all need someone to do that with our tech products that we just can't let go the things we use very little do we need someone to just take it off our desk so we can really decide if we want it or not there's an article about the quest 3 was so much better than the quest pro it was like once the quest 3 came out it was really hard to keep that thing on my desk and feel like anyway sorry yeah sorry i derailed that a little bit but um yeah a great price point for this um a couple other things they announced with the 3s is meta horizon um it's gonna have windows support including multi-screen support so you can i don't know if we even did we say this is 300 i think so because we said it was between the Quest 2 and 3. I just want to make sure.

It's back to $300 for this one. Thank you. There's a very good chance. I did not say that. Just say that's out. Yeah. $299, great price point. Windows support, multi-screen support.

They also introduced something called Hyperscape where you can use, I forget if it's the headset or a phone. It might actually be the headset. We can scan a room and essentially bring it inside to a VR space. So i guess other people can experience rooms with you sick pretty cool um but overall i think what's the coolest part about this is just accessibility because we are still at an age where vr is not super accessible 300 is still a lot but there's way more of a chance now that one of 10 people you know might have picked this up for some reason

which gives you that first look into vr yeah that's really i think the most interesting thing about it is this will be that many more people's first experience in vr and i mean it's meta now like they have so many different things that they're leaning into in vr and ar that that's their goal is to be a lot of people's entry point into various versions of what you might call metaverse whatever but that's the idea this is probably going to be a lot of people's first vr headset and it's not bad for what it is no it's same ship as the quest 3 they did also show off some like new meta horizon stuff which had this like super cartoony Godzilla attacking a city and people shooting like laser beams at it, which is always just a fun juxtaposition of them being like,

look at this multi window windows support and like, look how much stuff you can get done. And then also the sweet VR scape of fending off Godzilla from a fake town. It really does. Yeah. The way they demo these products, I've always said, tells you a lot about how the company wants it to be perceived or wants it to be looked at. And like when you watch an Apple Vision Pro, first of all, it's way more expensive, but they're doing mostly like productivity and messages and then occasionally shared experiences with a little bit of gaming sprinkled in. messages and then occasionally shared experiences with a little bit of gaming sprinkled in and then you watch one of these and they're like gorilla tag just hit 100 million dollars in revenue and this is insane game of like playing tag in this vr space like it's very they have to do kind of kind of everything with uh with the quest they do the the gaming they do the productivity they do the the messaging they do everything in the quest and so if this is your

first vr headset you will be introduced to all the things that you can do in a vr headset yeah yeah um it's pretty cool i also found the the new clear meta ray do you want to go straight to ray-ban glasses yeah let's do it um i think if you just want to jump straight into that i thought that was the coolest announcement of the entire thing um clear tech is cool a lot of clear tech is like it's clear for the sake of it looking cool which i get but some of it is not showing the real inner workings but in a pair of glasses at least from what it looked like it's impossible to have like fake inner workings in there yeah um they looked so cool yeah like just seeing all the camera modules and the circuit boards and how it's all crammed in there with the

hinges and stuff like that yeah it's a really neat like perspective but it's gonna be weird if like you were wearing them and i'm just staring at how cool the glasses are on your face yeah i think a couple people on stage had them boz might have had them on i think the person before him had them on like they look like interesting designer glasses i guess which is which is neat it's just cool yeah clear tech is cool i agree that's my that's my not that hot take of the day clear tech looks cool i mean everyone wants to talk about looking cool one of the best things meta did with their glasses is partnering with ray-ban one of the most popular sunglass companies in the world. The silhouette of them is just the standard of sunglasses

at this point. That always looks good. The weirdest thing about any tech glasses is do they look like tech glasses or do they look like glasses? And Ray-Ban are glasses. Speaking of do they look like tech glasses or do they look like glasses, the last announcement was the big one

which is their Project Orion AR glasses probably definitely the biggest thing they announced yeah so this is interesting every time i see another product and this isn't even a product yet but every time i see another announcement or tech demo like this i always think back to google glass like what google glass wanted to be so orion ar glasses are they look like a thick pair of tech glasses they they don't look like regular glasses yeah but what's happening even inside that frame is super impressive they are a bunch of projectors and a bunch of wave guides and essentially projecting visual elements onto the real physical world in front of you that you're still seeing through the lenses.

Yes, somehow through refraction. He went over it so quickly how it really works. I kind of wish Ellis was there when we were watching that part because he may have understood it a little better. Well, Zuck even kind of like, he didn't explain it. He kind of paraphrased, at least from what I watched. He said, it's a whole bunch happening with projectors

and wave guides and AR. Like it's a lot of technologies packed into this frame, which will enable tracking of real world elements on the actual physical world in front of you, which is amazing. I want to try it. The reactions of the people that they gave it to i want to try it the reactions of the people that they gave it to who got to try it seemed super cool i would love to actually experience and see what what feels like what google glass wanted to be yeah for sure yeah what snap spectacles

last episode wanted to be um actually ellis and i did see someone in the crowd wearing snap spectacles which was very at medic connect at medic connect that checks out um i'm sold i think they're cool looking you're still on them i think these look better but still are obvious no the snap spectacles i actually i'm sorry i haven't seen what the orion looks like i was i was doing other work while the yeah um if you had told me everything you just told me like a year ago, I would have been like, nah, that's BS. And I can't believe I'm citing them, but now that the humane pin exists, I believe it like,

like that sort of projector technology is I've seen it with my eyes. Yeah. Mini projector. So mini projector that can handle. So this is kind of funny. Like I, um, as like a side thing,

I do like projections for raves and stuff like that and i was at this rave inside this what was effectively a cave last weekend it was like a revolutionary war era bunker so picture this like long semi-circular stone building and the base was so intense that it would defocus the projector on every kick drum it kind of looked sick it kind of was like but um but yeah so it's like these things are really sensitive to vibrations and kinetic energy and now that i've seen the humane projector deal with it so well i i know it is in fact possible yes we got to see some pretty inner workings of the humane projector and despite the product not being great that projector was

actually pretty impressive they did nail that part of it yeah and then being outside but yeah that so like even think back what google glass was like there were tiny projectors in that this is a decade ago that would like be visible outside you'd look up into this cube over your face and you could see the directions or the weather or whatever was showing you which is crazy so one thing about that versus something i found really interesting zuckerberg said in this was so that was in like a cube but it was almost like a frosted cube right where you couldn't really see through that part it's more that it was part of your vision correct yes goo glass was uh floating

semi-clear yeah yeah um but because of that like it could project on it better because it wasn't completely clear and with the outside world something they mentioned in this was not only do does the person have to be able to see through it to interact with the world but what I found interesting was they're trying as hard as they can to make sure people also can see your eyes as the non Orion user because that feels more natural yeah and some of the clips they showed that kind of worked there's a lot of this blue glow going on um because obviously projections are happening with inside the glass and i believe they said they're using

refraction to be able to stick it in certain spots with within the projector or you know from the projector so you're still gonna get this blue glow, almost like, it's almost like the real version of the spaced out eyes on the Vision Pro, the hazy blue eyes on it. But I'd never thought about that. You need to think from the outside perspective of AR glasses. If they're gonna be something

that you wear all of the time, it needs to not completely block you out from the outside world. Yeah, from both directions. Yeah, so it is impressive that they got to this point. I think it's a 70-degree field of view, which is almost double what the new Snap Spectacles were. I think they were 48. So that's better, not great, but best in class right now i guess if you consider anything that's

not released best in class yeah so just as a disclaimer the these glasses will not be a real product they will be a dev kit that will be used to develop the next generation of what they will ship which will be some future ar glasses and i don't believe they set a price either right for the dev kit i don't think they even said it i'm sure developers will get that information at some point but it is not this is not something you and i are going to be able to just buy no um it also has so it has custom silicon order run it something that i don't think they showed in there but alex heath i think i'm pronouncing that right from the verge wrote a great article about this who's also the one who wrote about the snapchat spectacles so like he has direct comparisons between these two

mentioned that it has this kind of like it almost looks like a battery bank it is not connected to the glasses but it is where all the computing is happening and it needs to be within 12 feet of the glasses or else they are just glasses um so you do need that the battery life for that is two hours which for dev kit fine that i mean if we're talking about end game ar glasses these are something you put on in the morning and you take off at night he even talked about transitional lenses because like if these are things you're going to wear all the time you don't want a pair you don't need to have to buy a pair that are sunglasses and your regular glasses they need to be able to switch between those so if you're taught if you want them to last all day two hours is brutal yeah um other things they they announced

is the way you interact with it voice ai like voice ai you have hand tracking you have eye tracking you also have something they're calling a neural interface which is a bracelet a bracelet that the way they're describing this i can't tell if they're like overselling it or not um but essentially i think they claim measures like movements or something between the the muscles in your hand so you can just like move things like tap your fingers and move like a joystick on your thumb that can control it um i'm pretty sure he announced this once before they've showed it off in various little clips here and there yeah yeah none of us have been able to try it either yeah so it's a cool idea but again not something you and i are just gonna buy someday

no at least anytime soon alex from the verge did say it worked pretty well he said he was more impressed by with how well that worked than the actual glasses themselves which is cool i remember i anecdotally got to try it and zuck took it off his wrist and put it on mine and so i was using it and it briefly it would mess up sometimes you'd be like oh well when it's calibrated for you it works better so i'm sure that's part of it too like it needs to be your size and it needs to be like set up for the first time i'm sure so a lot of that yeah i'm still not totally sure on how it's doing it if it's not just being able to tell like which i think these are called metacarsals the essentially the tendons that run from each finger because what it's doing is nerves yeah around your wrist

it's being able to tell which fingers are moving and how they're moving so you can tap you can use your thumb like you have a joystick um or you can like flick and do spin and and anything like that yeah um but you can all do it down by your side because they're saying no one wants to be inside of the grocery store maybe asking some of the things that they're doing oh i mean this guy voice controller you don't want to be the guy and when the vision pro first came out and everyone pretended they were doing things like while they're crossing the street and um but yeah all of it seems cool yeah it feels like we're so far away from an everyday product tbd on the last one being an everyday product yeah yeah and how much would it i'm just how much would you guess something i

wanted to get cost what were snapchat spectacles were was it 199 a month or 99 for them to be the for the developer kit oh it was like almost 1200 a year i a year, I think. $99 per month. And you have to commit to 12 months. So maybe it'll be something like that instead of a one-time price just because the dev kit doesn't have a price tag. Yeah, I could see this being more expensive. Yeah. Because it seems better than the Snap Spectacles in a lot of different specs and just how they look.

But yeah, can I go over a couple other, or is there anything else on that you wanted to go over? No, that's it. I was fascinated by this. Cool. I'm going to quickly run over a couple other or is there anything else on that you wanted to go over no that's it i was fascinated by this cool i'm gonna quickly run through a couple other small things they announced um llama 3.2 meta ai with voice so you can interact with llama and meta ai through your voice and get voice responses they also showed this like really strange example of i don't i think they the person works for like open ai and meta and like does some ted talks and stuff but he came out and they essentially had a like scanned version of his face and then an ai trained on what he would say um and then talk to that person it was super uncanny valley and like some of the do you know when ai tries to respond and act normal but you

ask it a question and all it does is like semi repeat the question back and then have the most bland answer ever yeah it's like when i tried to ask uh like i have a bunch of wasps in the studio just to give it an answer the question it was like yeah that sounds really spooky having a bunch of wasps in the studio you should stay away from those like okay it's pretty much like what my google home says with like a little bit of like the worst writing ever yeah um so yeah that was weird i didn't love that i don't know why they keep trying to do this like people you recognize animated faces talking to you like with the whole thing they canceled with like mr beast and uh wasn't like some basketball player i don't know all those celebrities i

don't know why they keep trying to do this i think it's weird um they also inside of the ray-ban meta glasses uh there was a translation thing uh they were showing the example as spanish to english or english to spanish and mark was talking with somebody else it was fast and impressive but it made me realize that no matter how fast and impressive live translation is there's one always going to be the awkward pause of things catching up and when it's going super fast and it can like start translating while i'm still finishing my thought it felt weird hearing two voices going at the exact same time. And if you're only focused on one language, you can understand, maybe it's easier to

pick that out. But I feel like that would be disorienting to hear two streams of consciousness come at you slightly too late. Yeah. That's a lot of these translation experiences. I'm sure they're trying to work on that, but that's, that's one thing I've never thought about is hearing a different language version of yourself as you're talking. Yeah. Two other really quick things on there. For the voice assistant on the glasses, you don't have to say anymore, hey, Meta, look and blank and do this. Now you can just say, hey, Meta.

Nice. Pretty simple, but way better. And then I think one of the best things they launched is they're partnering with Be My Eyes, which is a program that helps with people who have visual impairment, be able to see things in front of them by, I believe it's an app where you can connect and show somebody inside of the app

something on your camera and the person on the other side can help tell the visually impaired person what that is. Being that right inside of glasses is so much easier and awesome so i think this will be a huge accessibility feature that probably will be overlooked a little but i thought was potentially one of the best announcements they had today nice so that's yeah that's basically the high level overview of medic connect again we're going to

try to get our hands on some of this stuff but until then those are our thoughts yeah is it weird that i want clear glasses but i don't want all the tech inside of it but then it won't be fun as clear you can already get clear glasses i know but they don't have like a bunch of computer chips inside of them would you buy clear glasses with like non-working computer parts inside just because it looks cool but then people are going to think i'm recording them and that's weird oh so you might as well be able to record them. I'm in a real predicament here. Yeah, that's a tough situation. I sympathize. We should take a quick break, and we've got a little more after that.

But first, we have trivia questions. All right, today's trivia question number two. Today's second trivia question is the realistic way to say that, is going to divide our audience in half because about 50% of people who hear this are going to say, how do you not know the answer to this? You are a moron.

And the other half are going to say, I literally have never thought about this once in my life and don't know the answer. Can we take guesses on which one Marquez and I are before we hear the question? I think we all know. I think this is going to be a marquez is like realistically this is a david would be like how do you guys not know this okay uh andrew you're gonna be like i never once thought about this that's where that's what i was gonna guess and marquez marquez is the slender oval in the center of the Venn diagram. Okay.

Interesting. But what does Lama actually stand for? I definitely know we have talked about it. Have we? I believe so. Maybe. I want to write it. I had to look up what it stood for because i didn't know i can't remember if this is one of those situations where like dolly is kind of like a mix between just two no this is an acronym it's

an acronym this is straight up yeah i lost it's a real item um dang well half of you already are streaming the answers into your phones and the other half are kind of wondering and maybe thinking about this more. So that's what we'll do. We'll be back after the break. I am so dreading groceries this week. Why? You can skip it. Oh, what? Just like that? Just like that. How about dinner with my third cousin?

Skip it. Prince Fluffy's favorite treats? Skippable. Midnight snacks? Skip. My neighbor's nightly saxophone practices? Uh, nope. You're on your own there. Could've skipped it. should have skipped it.

Skip to the good part and get groceries, meals, and more delivered right to your door on Skip. All right, welcome back. Last little bit. A couple more things I wanted to just float by you in case you haven't been thinking about them. The Nothing Ear Open hit our desks and hit the studio recently. It was also announced to the world. They are open back earbuds. And I don't know if you remember last week on the podcast where we also had open back headphones.

Are they calling them open back? Well, they're called Ear Open. I guess they haven't said open back, but they're called Ear Open. I feel like we're in this stage, we don't know what we're trying to call them. I feel like physical transparency almost works. That's actually more accurate. Yeah. But we've talked about the Sony LinkBuds before. Like we've had these Bose headphones that are really interesting in the studio. And I just feel like open back is having a little subtle renaissance right now. Like I've used open back Sheiser hd 650s at my desk for video editing for years now and openback for those describes like a can over the ear that

has like literally a mesh on the outside like the driver is like you can see through the headphones essentially and so that means i can hear everything outside me in the room and the drivers are in front of uh are outside my ears and playing sound into them so it's like transparency mode but then transparency mode came after that yeah transparency mode was i got noise canceling headphones that have microphones on the outside so it's like the apple vision pro of open back yeah where it's not really my eyes you're seeing practical transparency yeah and now we're getting these these again real physical transparency themed devices but it's just i think it's interesting anyway the ear open are basically that it's like this uh silicon arc that

goes over your ear and then it holds and hovers the bud right outside of your ear. So the idea again with these is it's not actually plugging and sealing your ear. So you can still hear everything around you. So if you're biking or running or walking outside, you can hear the taxi, you can hear the bicycles, you can hear everything around you, but also your music or your podcast at the same time. Yeah. And because the way most earbuds stick in our ear outside of wingtips is the actual insert. So even like the AirPods non-silicone, if they don't fully plug your ear,

they're still the majority of the way in your ear. These don't go into your ear canal at all. Yeah, they hover right outside. Yeah, and the way that's held on is because of the stick, the bendy part over your ear that goes into the back of your ear. They kind of like uh hearing like older hearing aids maybe yeah um or like if you've ever worked at a restaurant and

the managers have their like earpiece walkie talkies that are super cheap this is what those look like but a bit cooler um these remind me more of so the sony link buds i used to love a lot and that was essentially truly wireless earbud that then had a donut attached to it, right? And so the speaker fired sound through the outside of the donut and there was a direct hole into your ear canal. Yeah. And that sat inside of your ear.

Then we had those NWM headphones that were just over your headphones, completely empty of the back. It looks crazy. The Bose ones kind of clipped onto the side of your ear. Earlobe under the side and then would like ones kind of clipped onto the side of your lobe under the side and then would like still kind of hover over your ear but again you can still hear your environment yeah they're all interesting unique ways of doing the same thing yeah i think

philosophically it's really interesting that like i guess these can exist alongside each other like full physical transparency and transparency mode digitally can exist alongside each other. And maybe one will always be more expensive than the other. But it feels like, I don't know, are we always going to have both or is transparency mode in the more expensive ones going to win over and be everywhere? I don't know yet. I hope so. ren be everywhere i don't know yet i hope so i mean because that can also offer other benefits like attenuating super super loud noises or or just letting you lower the entire audio level of the concert you're at or the rave that you're doing the lights for so that is a benefit to the

transparency mode being digital but and yeah it's definitely gonna be cheaper not to do that as much as i love all these different options i was a huge fan of the link buds um i think it's pretty obvious that in an ideal world the pair of earbuds that can do both is the better option like transparency mode earbuds with transparency mode will they're gonna have noise canceling these physical transparency modes have literal no option to ever have noise canceling yeah um so actually i just saw ellis looking at his headphones he has the weirdest out of all of them where the semi-open back where they were the like open back soundscape while being closed back they called that pair i think yeah because the the other advantage to open back is this wider sound stage that you get from not having these enclosed little systems over ears but the hd what

are the hd 2000 800s yeah hd 800s are fully open back this is hd 820s 820s the 800s were open back they were the old ones 800s and 820s were open this is i think that's 820s or something either way they added like glass on the outside so it's open back and then also kind of closed back but with a transparent glass so it looks open back but also still kind of seals the sound in and sounds closed back you can't really hear much of what's outside it's interesting that was my first ces the hd it's 820 yeah are currently retailing for 1,995 dollars and 95 cents and they rock and they sound great oh your your title is 2400 headphones so they've went down in price oh they have wow for all you bargain hunters out there amazon's got them for 17.99 if

you want to buy that or a folding phone you can choose wisely anyway yeah i think it's interesting i think i may make a video on the uh all of the open back things happening because there's there's just a lot going on yep that's adam i'm about to check him out what if adam was there that day too he probably was i bet this is from that's hilarious i'm sure adam's putting in his b-roll of him trying them instead of this is the booth. Yep. Love that. Sorry. We, we went off there a little bit.

I think a video on that would be really cool. I would love to specifically hear this scenarios. I personally like to the link buds cause wearing them at the climbing gym was like, there's something about climbing on a wall where someone could potentially walk under you or just be nearby. Um, you just have to, we're being able to hear, I to hear i think is beneficial so um and i want to trust hearing so i used to wear them climbing all the time yeah i just want to throw one thing in here that this is just like i'm i audio mad i i audio guy i'm mad uh which is that i constantly see in the discussion of like

open versus closed back headphones people saying uh open back headphones have a wider sound stage um that's not true there's like if i'm wrong please acoustically explain to me why i'm wrong but it's the way like the way when you have two ears right yeah you can hear in 360 degrees. These two things don't line up. That's because the way we perceive width and directionality is in the difference between what are two ears here. So if you made one of the ear cups open and the other one closed, it would affect the way we perceive the sound. But if you're just going from open to closed back headphones, it shouldn't sound wider or narrower at all.

I agree. I think soundstage is the wrong word to describe what we're actually noticing, which is just the feeling of openness and closeness, which can feel larger or smaller, just depending on what, because the drivers don't move further from your ears or sound like they're further away. It's just when you cover them, they sound different. Well, not just that they sound different, but you're actually going to have some frequencies bouncing off that interior wall of the headphones going back in. And now all of a sudden you've created either peaks in the form of resonances or you've created comb filtering troughs in the same way that sound bounces around a room so there is an argument made that yes you can feel like you're in a larger space when you listen to open back headphones but don't come to me being like they're wider because i will be mad that is a different i just term i

loved my open back headphones because if you live with someone and play video games at high volume when they come up and try and get your attention like tap on your shoulder when you're in the middle of a game it is terrifying so i like to hear when claire walks up behind me and not pee my pants yeah that is also a really good use of the transparency exactly um okay i have one more thing i want to talk about there's a new podcast out and it's by alex goldman from reply all we have talked about reply all so many times on this podcast i honestly don't think waveform exists without reply all um it was the first like podcast that i listened to like all of the episodes in a backlog and every single week um before that serial was like a small series that i'd listened

to but reply all was like the first big podcast i got super into you might be the same with the first podcast i ever subscribed to yeah um it used to be really good it obviously had an unfortunate controversy and shut down um alex goldman has been kind of mia since then he's been making some music which is pretty good but um he started a new podcast called the hyper fixed podcast two pilot episodes released this month um and they 100 in my mind scratch the itch of like i miss reply all okay um so do you remember the segment in reply all where it was like i'm sure he's not super pumped that i'm comparing it that anyone's comparing it to his old shows

so gotta know though yeah yeah do you remember super tech support the series yes segment come to him with like uh interesting unsolved mysteries in their tech world and he tried to investigate them deeply to solve them so this is essentially that with just wider parameters if it doesn't have to be inside tech specifically. So people come to him with a problem. The goal of each episode is to either solve that problem or come up with one step towards the problem that the person is gratified by enough.

They set that parameter early. First two episodes are good. It's about learning how to drive when you're older and helping people bake between the U.S. Imperial system where we bake with volumetric measurements and the metric system where they do it by mass, which sounds like such a simple thing. It is not.

There's a bunch of fascinating like trivia almost that you learned from it i thought both of them were great they were like 30 minutes each it feels like old reply all i miss i missed alex a lot he's doing a great job already and it fully launches in november i believe so i can't wait got it okay i think i will be probably subscribing pretty soon to that then highly suggested to anyone. Hyper fixed. How many times in this episode have I rambled on about something and not included the most important thing? You said it at the very beginning, but you said it pretty fast. And I heard hyper fixed. So I just want people to hear the E-D at the end.

Hyper fixed. Thank you. That's the name. This podcast also wouldn't exist without you keeping us on track all the time. So there we go. Well, that's about it for this week, which means without any further ado, let's get some creativity questions wrong, baby.

Yeah. All right. Question number one. To answer your question from earlier. And when it comes to performing advanced deep learning and artificial intelligence analysis of your data, we're doing it on device using the incredible power of the silicon on your iPhone and your Mac, keeping your personal data under your control. Oh, when do you say that? Or what iOS?

But not both. I'm only giving one point i'm feeling ios and he talks about it on mac also uh dude i'm sorry i have like that's okay i have maybe one brain cell what have you been doing a podcast since 10 o'clock this morning it's four o'clock without adam how do i cover uh all right oh my well you're both wrong okay so what'd you say marcus ios 4 okay i wrote 2018 andrew was closer it was 2016 and iOS 10 so it was long enough ago I really thought that was like last dub dub because

what was the privacy thing they said where like we have these special servers that you can third party test relay private it was like yeah private cloud relay something like that but it wasn't that that was too early and I don't think at that point they were really they were trying not to say artificial intelligence

that's what was surprising to me yeah anyway question i was wrong no matter what question number two it's okay it's been it's a long day here at the studio question number two what does llama stand for you ready to get this wrong too? Yeah. Dave's gonna be pumped. But also sad that he's not here. Ugh. This is embarrassing. who wants to go did you guys put the same thing no no oh book i wrote large language model a oh because i'm canadian for this one i think you spelled A wrong. That's not how they say A? No, E-H.

Oh, my God. I like that's what you're mad about. I wrote large language and multimodal AI. I'm closer. You are closer somehow, Mark. It is large language model meta AI. Oh, Jesus. Yeah, I knew. I basically just wrote ai three different times yeah wow

well i'm you know i think we're closing in on one of those trivia extravaganzas where our scores don't matter anymore we are closing we're closing in because i am falling deeply into a rut here with i don't think i've gotten one right in a month it's tough i was hoping all of us would be at the same points so that the trivia extravaganza was an hour and a half long episode fighting for one singular point i think i i was away for two episodes and then the last two episodes i've been here i've gotten all of them wrong so it's been at least five weeks since i've gotten a point have we been going to oh i almost forgot uh last week i made a joke about we needed to we needed to restart the gsma because it was finished uh turns out we were wrong it's not finished no need to restart it joke canceled um the first

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