Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - New OLED iPad and Pixel 8a!

Episode Date: May 10, 2024

Marques was out sick when we recorded, so Andrew and David take over the pod and talk about all of the newest gadgets that came out this week! They start with the new Nintendo Switch rumors before digging into the new iPads that were announced. Then they get into the Pixel 8a before we wrap it all up with trivia. It's a surprisingly busy month and we're just getting started. Enjoy! Links:  Cam James Channel: https://bit.ly/3WyhyHq David Imel Sparkle Video: https://bit.ly/4btBVK4 Nintendo Switch 2 pre-announcement : https://bit.ly/4btt2QK Nintendo Switch 2 Joycons: https://bit.ly/3WCjij6 MKBHD iPad Impressions: https://bit.ly/3WzFFWk New iPads: https://apple.co/3QDvbRW MKBHD Pixel 8a: https://bit.ly/4bxvNjW Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Socials: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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What is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We are your hosts. I don't know how to do that before Marques. We are your hosts. My name is Andrew. I'm David. And unfortunately, Marques is out this week. He's a little under the weather, but do you know what would make him feel a little better? If you hit the subscribe button. Exactly. He told us that to say that, and he said his sickness depends on how many people subscribe. Yeah. You know how when people get married and they say in sickness and in health, the actual full thing is in sickness and in how many people subscribe. Yeah. You know how when people get married and they say in sickness and in health, the actual full thing is in sickness and in health and in subscription.

You know what? I usually zone out at that part of the ceremony, but I'm glad. That's why you didn't know about it. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Didn't you officiate a ceremony? Two.

Anyway. We will push on without him, though. And in today's episode, we have new iPads, a new Pixel, new Nintendo Switch. It's just all gadgets, gadgets, gadgets, gadgets. Yeah. But before, Ellis has a little recommendation. I, as many of you know, watch way too much YouTube.

And a certain really great creator has come across my uh my my recommendation lately and i'm not talking about david emel who just released a killer video on his personal channel um but i am talking about a cool creator from atlanta named cam james with about 60 000 subs and the videos are way higher quality than 60 000 subs um if the the elevator pitch is like uh it's like coffee zilla but way slower paced like like a coffee zilla investigation that you could like sip some tea to and have a chill afternoon with crypto stuff or he does some it's a lot of like it's definitely like financial scams and swindlers for sure um but it's not quite as uh like i feel like i love coffeezilla don't get me wrong but i feel like coffeezilla videos really you know knock your blood pressure up a few like it's like you

know he's like in that crazy room with the robot and you're like oh my god what God, what's gonna happen? But this is much more like much more chill, really great photography, really great music editing, really great explanations. It seems like he just hired a researcher to what's what's cool is that like he was I only know this from stalking him. He's like a really new addition to my watch thing. But it seemed like he was a musician. Like most of the videos on his channel he hard pivoted yeah about four months ago he put out a video called i'm a youtuber now question mark and um and the videos have just been pumping like when i found his

channel he had 20 000 subs and in the past four months he's gotten it up to 60 and so like it's very clear the ascent is palpable it's pretty wild the i'm a youtuber now video has 9.3 000 views and then the next one has 643 he's he's a master i mean i obviously haven't seen his analytics but he's a master of pace like right out the gate and so i would not be surprised if his watch time is like through the roof really high up because it's just and it's not like gimmicky pace it's not like every five minutes he's like and what happened next will blow your mind it's just very this sounds like one of those channels where i'm going to listen to on my commute and be done with this channel by the end of the week it's it is exactly that channel you have it right so go check out cam james and uh go check out david's sparkle video Do you want to talk about it real quick?

Sure. Yeah. As a lot of you might know, I went to Japan for a couple of weeks and was not on the podcast. Part of that reason I was there was to interview the guy who invented the Sparkles emoji because I'm sick and tired of these AI companies

using my favorite emoji as a signifier of artificial intelligence. So I took about four months and made a video called um how ai stole the sparkles emoji and uh so far it's tracking pretty well it's doing very well it just hit 150k views in five days so i'm pretty happy with that um took me a very long time and a lot of money to make so go pump it up yeah there were a lot of people that were like can you release a bit release a video every month that i was like i i this took me four months so no i can't afford that um yeah so thank you for the shout out appreciate it all right we're gonna get into it but also

right now comment how many times you think we are going to say the word ipad in this episode and what it is um it's gonna be a lot spoiler but let's get into switch to announcement cool david you looked into this a lot more than i did all i saw was like i feel like we've been hearing about a new switch at least for years like there was the oled switch right which was like kind of the updated one and then there was the switch light which was the non-disconnecting one but there's always been this talk of like a new bigger higher resolution switch all i really saw so far of it that people were really excited about was there was an announcement that we will get an announcement yeah for switch to yeah before the end of the fiscal year which is april 2025 yeah what do we know about it so yeah this is kind of wild uh i

think it was yesterday as of the time of recording so tuesday there was a random nintendo tweet that was all in japanese and then a follow-up tweet that was translated to english that said this is uh furukawa president of nintendo we will make an announcement about the successor to the nintendo switch within the fiscal year it has been over nine years since we announced the existence of nintendo switch back in march 2015 we'll be holding a nintendo direct this june regarding the n Nintendo Switch software lineup for the latter half of 2024, but please be aware that there will be no mention of the Nintendo Switch successor during that presentation. So kind of wild because Nintendo has not said a single thing about the

existence of a follow-up Nintendo Switch at all. They don't do that, really. They usually don't make announcements like that. Generally, because obviously they don't want people to just stop buying hardware when there's a new one right around the corner. So I think that that's sort of what they're doing is they're like, we're going to talk about it, but just so you know, we're not going to talk about any software regarding it.

Well, and also this new Nintendointendo directs coming up it's not going to be mentioned but also like but we will eventually is kind of cool and it's funny that the other article about nintendo i saw about this recently is that the switch is on pace this year to potentially beat the nintendo ds yeah as the most sold device that nintendo's ever done yeah which is which is wild yeah But I do think the Switch is like one of the coolest form factors ever. I think the Switch might be one of the coolest consoles just ever.

Yeah, I agree. Yeah, like it's one where if you're a Nintendo fan, you're amped about it because it has all your games. It has a bunch of really cool ways to play it. But even if you're someone who like plays games on your computer

and that's where you mostly play, those people are still buying a Switch. I am one of those. I don't own an Xbox or PlayStation anymore. I know, I feel like if you own an Xbox or PlayStation, you're usually in one of those camps. The Switch feels like an awesome companion device to maybe playing your bigger games and online games on your PC, but then some fun, nostalgic Mario or like bring it on the plane, that whole thing or parties parties like having people over or playing Mario Kart is so much fun yeah and I think that's why they're selling so well because

you're either a Nintendo fan and you bought it or it's like your secondary gaming console because it's super well priced also I think the best part about it is the fact that you always have two controllers on you at all times like it's such a cool idea and yes they're not super comfortable and they're a little bit small but they work and i've had so many instances where i'll just be on a plane and i'll literally ask the person sitting next to me if they want to play oh really like someone you don't know that's awesome i do that all the time and it's like you know just play mario kart i don't know it's fun that's i've seen so many people like waiting at the terminal and just like

you see like three or four kids just sitting around like you see the seat of course you're always like i need more seats and they have one seat but that's where the intent the switch is and then there's four kids like sitting on their luggage or on the ground playing mario yeah you're like that's so awesome also on some of the flights i've been taking recently they probably advertise this like, it's a high resolution screen now, but they got rid of the screens on the back of the plane seats and they instead just have a big clamp that can like hold your phone or an iPad. That's awesome. But it could also hold a switch. So you can just like sit there with your switch and your joy cons and it doesn't have to be attached to the console. I did not know that. That's so cool. That's such a good idea. Have you

ever seen the people who like, they take their phone with the case they pop the case off they take the puke bag out and they like fiddle it into the seat and then snap the case on and it like holds their phone up on so they can watch content on that so yeah you know maybe they were they're just protecting their people yeah i mean it's funny because technically like those screens are generally super low resolution and some airlines have put the money into making them higher resolution. But the best case scenario is honestly just use your phone or your laptop or your iPad. Or an iPad. Yeah.

Exactly. That's count one. We're not even in the iPad section yet. Hot take. Yeah. Hot take. There was a period of time where a few airlines had DirecTV. There's planes that still do.

But a lot of but a lot of airlines have like gotten rid of it i've noticed but anyway yeah that was my favorite because i never get to watch tv in a plane or a hotel and so my favorite thing to do on flights is watch commercials hgtv yeah be like wow they're still doing this it's your super bowl yeah yeah exactly yeah um but we were talking about how uncomfortable switch controllers were and annoying they are one of the main reasons they're super annoying are the rail system yeah it's kind of like how they had to be done but like putting them on is a pain in the neck and the worst is do you know the little strap that has like the extra buttons yeah you put

those on backwards which is unfortunately very easy to do hard to get off it's basically not impossible but it's basically not impossible but it's extremely i was just gonna mention that like when they do you remember when the switch first came out they like there was so many people doing that people were writing articles about how to correctly put it on it's like the the note pen when you put it in upside down which is way harder to do i think but like it would just get stuck right um but it seems like the rumor is magnets for this new one yeah so there's been a lot of rumors coming out about the Switch 2. But one of the coolest rumors is that the Switch 2 is going to have metal Joy-Cons that use electro-permanent magnets.

And this is very cool. It sounds cool. Yeah. For someone who has no idea what that means. Basically, how they work is you can send a little pulse of current through the Switch slash Joy-Con, and it'll change the magnetic field so that it snaps to the console. Okay. And then you can send another pulse of current through,

and it'll change the magnetic field so it doesn't snap to the console. So the extremely layman's term is you can turn the magnets on and off? Yeah, basically. Okay. But you get the added bonus of, in an electromagnet

which is a magnet you normally can turn it off you need to be constantly running current right your magnet okay it's a hard it's a hard swap with just a one pulse of electricity exactly so you super cool you get the best of both worlds yeah yeah because obviously if you had to constantly constantly be running current through it to keep the magnetic field going when you turn the console off they just fall off oh okay so if it's off so you put it in the case and it'll stay on you press a button and they pop off for when that's pretty cool it's pretty good yeah yeah i'm imagining just like going up to now that the person that's sitting next to you in the airport you're just like you want to play and you just like press the button they will fall into like both people's hands we're like we're ready that better be in the ad that better be in the ad um that that sounds already like a huge upgrade like you you wonder what the switch upgrades are going to be right like the main

things you assume is just like it'll have a higher resolution and maybe have a little more power in it but like how do you update this really cool form factor that you've made already and they've kind of screwed things up before where they did the really cool or remember like the really cool form factor that you've made already. And they've kind of screwed things up before where they did the really cool, or remember like the really cool Wii, and then you released Wii U, and that like bombs terribly. So Ellis, I think is a Wii U fan or? Forever.

Forever? Yeah, I never owned one, but. The Wii U was. You still loved it. In some ways, like a precursor to the Switch. Yeah, it was. It was like a prototype of the switch yeah but they mostly focus on wii u on like the screen being extra information rather than a to

go thing totally yeah you can really take it with you they're so close yeah they're so close um but there are some rumors about the ways that they're going to be updating this uh larger eight inch display which i assume will be oled considering they already have the switch oled i don't think that they're gonna like go back in display quality wrong it should be maybe i don't know uh it should be 1080p resolution which you know for nintendo games is fine uh and it should support 4k output when the dock is connected this is the part that i don't understand what why would it support 4k output? Well, current, so because it's- None of the Nintendo games are like that high quality.

But they will be. Oh, okay. Yeah, and it's constantly being powered so they can push more power into it. Cause currently it's 720p on the display and when you put it in the dock, it can support up to 10. Currently with more power current?

Mm-hmm, yeah, yeah. Right now. Buzz him. Right now, it's a 720p display and when you hook it up to the dock it supports up to 1080p output because it's constantly being powered and i think nintendo's the only one who could have pulled that off because like their games are very cartoony but like i still want it in 4k like i'll still take that totally yeah but if it raises the price even a little bit I would rather just have the 1080p to play my cartoon games you know it's not like buy a switch one it's been eight years it's been like almost eight years since the original switch I just I would love Nintendo games to be higher graphics where that would make sense but I'm not sure that well it's

not gonna happen I don't think it's gonna be higher graphics to where to the point where it's like we're using like realistic textures it's just that they need to upscale stuff so then you don't think it's gonna be higher graphics to where to the point where it's like we're using like realistic textures It's just that they need to upscale stuff. So then you don't want ray tracing Mario I mean, that's probably a thing already Mario's like five o'clock shot. I want to see every hair remember the Mario Super Mario World where the starting screen you could just like pull his face and his hat and everything now imagine Raytracing 4k it like the Ren and Stimpy close-ups with like the moles and the yeah the starting screen, you could just like pull his face and his hat and everything. Imagine ray tracing 4K. Like the Ren and Stimpy close-ups with like the moles and the...

Yeah. That's what we're getting, baby. So the Joy-Cons will apparently be... There were so many millennial references in there. I'm sorry for the younger listeners. The Joy-Cons will apparently be made of metal, which is pretty cool. And apparently some peripheral manufacturers

were allowed to put their hands in a black box that had a prototype Switch 2 in it, but they weren't allowed to see it. They could only feel it? They could only feel it so that they could get a sense of its size and scale and buttons so that they could start ideating.

Why don't we get to do that? That's so cool. So funny. You're at an event, David. Ready? The CEO walks up to you and is like, hey, you want to feel something follow me to this black box just put your hand in there no questions asked put your hand in this

black this is a studio video that's crazy you know they invited people to come to their headquarters and touch it in the black box i feel like this is this is the updated version of like what phone is this behind your back where we just take the box on the studio channel and then we put random tech items in and people have to figure out what item oh yeah oh yeah we're sending this to slack directly after this but yeah that would be awesome yeah so the original switch was announced in 2015 and didn't come out until 2017 so they're gonna announce the switch to by the end of the fiscal year which is by april 2025 but it might not come out until 2027 it might be a straight decade before switch to which it would be nice if it came out next year too but you know two two dose that was better

ring that one thank you there you go thanks all right um yeah so those are all rumors uh at least we got an official tweet from official nintendo which is not something that happens very often but i'm very eager to see where that do you think when it comes out it will be as hard to get do you remember switch coming out and i mean like it wasn't quite playstation 5 levels of hard to get but i remember at that point I wasn't working and I remember driving. I drove everywhere to go get it because like no one would pick up the phones

in the like Target or Walmart, like electronics departments, or they would pick up the phone and say, we don't have a Switch. And then like see if you had another question and then you just hang up. It's so funny because I was not going to go buy it on launch day.

And I was like, I was living in San Francisco, I was sitting in my room. And I was just like reading all these reviews about it. I was like, maybe I do want to go get one. And so I just like walked over to Best Buy. And there was a line, I just got in the line, they just gave me one. It was fine. And then when the when the Switch OLED came out, I remember it was impossible to get every everywhere was completely impossible to get. And one day I was just sitting in the cafe. And I like yeah i would i would kind of like to get one so i like go on bestbuy.com and it was like available at a store near you and i was like that's weird so i hit buy and pick up so i go to best buy and the guy like takes it out of the back he's like dude

how did you did were you like bonding like how were you able to get this like we never have any and i was like i literally just went on the website that's so i just ps6 comes out i'm gonna ask you to get it i was gonna say that's why david isn't getting any of his like like your like our fuji cameras because he wasted all his luck on the switch i wanted that fuji special edition but um all right that's funny yeah i had a really hard time getting it hopefully this is a little easier but i feel like console sales the first month or two is it's insane it's always insane especially because they usually come out like right before holidays yeah so it's just they know madness yeah i feel like consoles have it down to a science of how to just be the most popular

thing yeah at that time yeah what um what frame rate does the switch run at do you know i just assumed you mean like output or on i kind of just assume 30 to be honest but when you're also giving us something in 720p in 2017 yeah i assume the lowest most games so 30 most games it would be nice if they pushed it to 60 it would be um nintendo games don't need it as much because everything's so like the animations are like marquez is gone for one episode and you're like let's push it up to 60 baby let's make all of our videos so would you rather 1080 at 60 or 4k at 30 um on a handheld oh you're saying only on device oh you mean both so let's okay let's say we do 1080

at 60 personally on device or on output yeah because because like nintendo games don't need to be high resolution the switch is 720 and it feels fine yeah it's so it's so funny that we always talk about specs of like higher refresh rate high resolution and all of us are like this switch is the greatest thing ever and it's it's just giving us 720 always talk about specs of like higher refresh rate, high resolution, and all of us are like, this switch is the greatest thing ever. And it's, it's just giving us seven, 20, 30.

No Nintendo games are made to be realistic. They're all highly stylized and they focus on fun over graphics. Yeah. Always been the difference. Well, I also wonder, but I also feels great at 30. So like,

do I need 60? Would I rather just be like super crisp 4k? Yeah. Well, Splatoon uses 60. That's one of the games that can go up oh really which makes sense yeah that makes yeah because the animations for splatoon are like does smash have super smash bros have 60 i hope not but i'll check you hope not

i feel like people want a thing where people that really play it know the frame rate and like when to press buttons yeah well that's more for melee though i also i feel like competitive games are normally where you start prioritizing and i am not a smash player so i could sound like a total moron here but generally competitive games are where you prioritize frame rate over yeah graphics in melee at least because so many of the moves are frame perfect like you have to hit the button at exactly the right time a higher refresh rate would probably be more difficult. I was just going to say, is it better because you can figure it out easier and maybe see more of what's going on?

Or will it totally mess up timing? I guess it doesn't affect timing. Yeah, I guess the sampling rate is going to be different from the frame rate. Also, Super Smash Bros. does run at 60. 60? That makes sense. 120. 240 or no go. Yeah. So anyway, we're probably going to be hearing a lot more rumors about that uh for the next year up until they actually announce it but i am quite

excited i mean it'll be the next console that i buy and the last console that i bought was the switch yeah so the only non-nintendo console i've ever owned besides a pc which is not a console uh was the ps2 that i like randomly got for Christmas. I was a big Xbox guy for a while. Yeah, I never had one. First one. Man, I don't want to story time too much. But I remember my friend was going to get an Xbox and my mom was like, I don't think we can do it this year.

I was like, okay, cool. I go to my friend's house all the way. And then one day she picks me up from my friend's house and was like, we have an Xbox at home. Like, it's not even christmas yet and then she got halo and then i played halo for like 10 years yeah yeah yeah she was like the guy just told me to get this game and i was like what is this the controls were inverted that felt so weird to aim inverted yeah that started me at the flashlight button dude yeah that was like the coolest part i remember like flashlight button yeah the original xbox had a like the coolest part. I remember like... Flashlight button?

Yeah, the original Xbox had a white and a black button sort of like below the right stick. Old Xbox controller was nuts. It was so big. Yeah. All right. Well, we got a lot more to talk about for this episode, so we're going to take a quick ad break. But when we come back, we got all about the new oled ipad pros and the ipad air and then we got the pixel 8a and we've got all this stuff uh it's a busy week so we'll be right back but

first i forgot just like marquez always forgets marquez always forgets too so i guess we are the same person we got trivia all right uh before we get into trivia two pieces of trivia housekeeping one so many of you sent me excellent amazing android devices that you would never expect run on android that adam and i talked and we decided like we couldn't even pick the best ones so next trivia extravaganza we're gonna do a whole is this android or is this not android keep sending those in we've gotten so many good ones but I'll take as many as you guys have. Housekeeping business number two. There was like a super obvious Dune joke when you were talking about the Switch controllers in the bag.

And I'm going to not make it to spare you guys who still have not seen Dune 2. But for everyone that has seen dune pretty funny right all right part three the actual trivia thanks for sparing us for today yeah i just had to let everyone know that like i'm thinking about dune you know this is always the yeah if you're not in the office as soon as he is roman empire dude yeah dune chili dogs uh dune 2 dune 2 exactly all right question number one those electro permanent magnets from the hypothetical switch controllers are pretty futuristic huh but what if i told you we have a device in our office right now that has them what room is it in it's uh there's we have a

bunch of them all over the office the central part of the office where everyone's desks are and possibly floating around our sets too what are they a bunch how much is a bunch how many would you say we have in the office okay that already answers my question okay yeah enough enough okay yeah interesting not hundreds what if we pick a different one that has an electromagnetic magnet yeah i would be impressed okay yeah i think david and i forgot that we're supposed to throw it to the brick This episode is brought to you by HelloFresh. Be honest. Between meetings, workout classes, and the kids' clubs,

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We had a very big, also very small Apple event this week. It was about 40 minutes long, and they talked mostly about new OLED iPads and also new iPad Air and also new Apple Pencil Pro and also new Magic Keyboard. So definitely a lot to talk about. I think we'll just start with the iPad Air and just kind of move on from there. We'll kind of go in the direction that the event went in. Let's kick things off with iPad Air. We got a new iPad Air. We got an 11-inch model and a 13-inch model. The last models of iPad Air were actually 10.9 inches. So having two new iPad Airs, big sizes, small sizes, is pretty cool. M2 chip, which I found a little bit weird considering it's a little old now, but my

guess is that M2 was specifically the generation of chip that sold really badly. And so I think that they're probably just have a ton of extra stock in that and that's what they're putting in the ipad air i could i think that i'm assuming your theory on that is m1 we've talked about a million times before is this like crazy generational awesome jump and then m2 is like cool but if you have m1 it's a little spec bump pretty much and so like m2 is going to be the worst selling ipad air has only had m1 in it since so like this is still an upgrade for that yeah it's just further down the line yeah totally uh they've got some new colors space gray blue purple starlight they say it's 50 faster than

the m1 air whatever the heck that means on an ipad um because who cares uh they actually said the word ai fairly frequently during this. More than anyone expected. Yeah, which is very interesting. It works with the new Magic Keyboard. It works with Apple Pencil Hover. They upgraded the Wi-Fi to Wi-Fi 6E. And now it gets up to a terabyte of storage.

And instead of starting at 64 gigabytes, it starts at 128, which is nice. I find it funny that over the last couple announcements we've had of a lot of different things we are way less excited about the like highest storage you can get and way more excited that they're just taking away these like pathetically low amounts of storage on some things yeah so that is great that we don't have a 64 gig right the fact that they came in 64 gigs before it was insane truly it really

like you're having an m1 like this super powerful chip that's arguably more powerful than a lot of computers and laptops out there and enjoy your 64 gigs of storage yeah totally insane um so those start at 599 and 799 but the more exciting more new models this year was the ipad pro before we get there real quick what is apple doing with their colors i feel like they are just alex said when we were watching it it's just like they're just taking away saturation yeah every year it feels like yeah and i get that pastels pastels are cool and stuff but like an ipad to me seems like one of those things that can be really fun like the ipad and the im, I loved what they did with those. Like those are the more fun, less like really intense, at least the air. Like, let me have some cool colors. These are all basically look the same.

I think we were looking at footage Marquez took and Tim was making a thumbnail on it and gave Marquez the thumbnail. And he's like, I thought this was the blue one. And Tim was like, I thought it was the silver one. And then he was like, maybe it's the pink one. Like they literally couldn't figure it out because the lighting was so weird and they were trying to color correct for it. Yeah. So it just like they all look too similar. This seems to be a thing that's happening across every tech industry where the super

low end devices get a lot of fun colors and then the high end devices either get boring colors or just a couple. I mean, remember the high-end devices either get boring colors or just a couple i mean remember the 5c yeah exactly yeah yeah and the lowest end ipad which got a price cut and is now 349 those come in for much more saturated colors yeah do you think if they redid those this year they would have toned them down or i don't think so okay i think that they see it as like the cheapest one is going to be the one you get for your kids and kids like bright colorful things man us grown-ups like having fun too i know if you don't know about that yeah and usually like

they will release one kind of fun color for a high-end model like samsung will do one fun color google will do one i think samsung did a bunch of samsung lately has been doing like the fun colors as like the online exclusive ones which is like okay i guess that's one way to get people to get cool colors but like yeah i had an orange s24 i like i love my orange s24 i think it looks fantastic and i bought it immediately because i thought that was the cooler one but you have the the orange one? Yeah. What? I wanted the orange one. Oh, it's been in your case though. Or is mine the orange one? So, yeah, you did get the orange one. This looks so good. I wanted that ultra color so bad.

But you didn't get it from Samsung. Yeah, I didn't get it from Samsung. You have it from Google Fi, right? So they didn't have it. Yeah, I agree. Like, look how cool that color is. I don't know. It's been in your case for so long

that I totally thought you'd like it. I think even in the case though, oops, I put it in backwards. Like, you get some of the rails on the back here that looks nice and it pokes through on the front. I agree. I think Michael Fisher might've done a video about why all the high-end devices have boring colors

because he did an interview with some higher ups at Samsung about it. And it had to do with like, they only really sell black and silver and white and nobody buys the fun colors which is weird i'm sure the sales are against what we are saying and like i'm sure apple knows that if like better colors would sell better it's just like small phones it's like we want things but the general mass does not luckily channel sponsor d brand is probably like, thank God they're not doing any cool colors.

Let's throw some cool colors on there. Yeah. So pretty boring. That's like a kind of middle of the road because like I said, they just cut the price of the standard iPad to $350, which is pretty affordable. So, you know, if you want the new Air, it's kind of like that in-between model. But the more interesting iPads are the iPad Pro, obviously also coming in 11 inch and 13 inch uh prior it was 11 and 12.9 which i think is funny because when they said 13 inch i don't know if it's just their marketing or everyone's saying like ipad in 13 i'm so pumped about it i was like yeah bigger ipad

and then someone said what was the last size i 12.9 wait what that is basically the same thing why am i this excited so marketing's working yeah the marketing's working um the these are the thinnest apple devices ever made at least the 13 inches so the 11 inch model is 5.3 millimeters and the 13 inch model is 5.1 millimeters. And they made a big deal that it is thinner than the, than the iPod nano. Do you, I had this thought this morning, which iPod nano did they show?

It was like, I thought it was the iPod nano seven, which is the long one. It was the long one. Okay. Is it thinner than this six gen one? Cause this is all I could think about and how little it is. I mean,

maybe with the clip included. Okay. Cause the clip adds, than this 6th gen one? Because this is all I could think about and how little it is. I mean, maybe with the clip included. Because the clip adds with and maybe they didn't compare it against that. It is, like, it looks crazy thin. And I don't have the specs for this, so it very well could be thinner. Oh yeah, that clip on there. I can't believe they made that product.

That's amazing. This is a cool product. Such a cool product. I thought this was awesome. Like, just enough screen for music browsing. That's all you you needed the little square ipod nano with the headphone jack you could clip it onto your pants or even on like your shirt it's the pin it's the it does just as much the it's the ipad the apple ipad uh yeah so these are insanely thin ipads which jerry rig everything is going to have fun with. One of them is 0.98 pounds and the other is the 11 inches 0.98 pounds and the other one is 1.28 pounds. They're also different.

Sorry. No, go ahead. They're also different thicknesses, weirdly. Yeah, the 13 inch is thinner, which is strange. Yes. It's a bigger one. By very minimal, but 5.3 to 5.1 millimeters but it's on top of these two things i think you said before the ipad air is the boring announcement

this made it boring because the ipad air was always the smaller easier to carry one these are now lighter and thinner than the ipad yeah right as the pros they're lighter than the ipad air yeah they're so that's there's so much irony in that. That's very funny. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like it's kind of weird now that they have an iPad and an iPad Air and they both look kind of the same

because they have the same form factor now. So they're probably maintaining the Air branding because the MacBook Air was such a powerful brand name that they put it on the iPad. But at this point, like all of their products are thin and light so it's kind of hard to you know what does air even mean anymore they can't pull it out of an envelope they i know i like it could it's immediately just like one of the coolest

marketing yeah like strategies ever was that that envelope was so cool yeah um yeah it was now you're pulling an ipad pro out of it yeah yeah um okay so they only come in silver and space black which is exactly what i was saying like the pro models are so boring in those colors but uh they have some new technology so there is a new screen technology they're using they used to be using mini led in the 12.9 inch pro model now they're using a technology called tandem oled and basically oled technology is like this interesting technology that has all these pros and cons where individual pixels can light up because they're self-illuminating and that allows you to have a bunch of the pixels off if the screen is black in those areas which means you

have like an infinite contrast ratio you get a bunch of blacks previously they used mini led which was like these tiny tiny tiny led arrangements which gave you all these different lighting zones and it was like a lot better than standard led but they really wanted to go oled eventually the problem with oled is is twofold one there's a thing called burn-in which we've been seeing in a lot of phones over the last number of years where if you put too much current through and make them too bright or have them on for too long it will burn into the screen and you will see like the remnants of that in the display it's also a reason why like lg oled tvs always have like super aggressive like screensavers because if you like pause a video or something within like a couple minutes that like firecracker screensaver will come up because they don't want you to just burn in the YouTube player. Right. Exactly. And then the other thing is that OLED is traditionally pretty hard to get bright.

So it's hard to like make those super bright. So they have been developing this technology called Tandem OLED, which is basically two OLED displays just on top of each other. which is basically two OLED displays just on top of each other. So this way they're able to get twice the brightness and they're able to mirror the exact brightness that they had in the mini LED one. So it's 1,000 nits for SDR and HDR content and 1,600 nits for peak brightness. But this time it's coming to both models. Last generation it was the 11-inch had an LCD display and only the 12.9 inch had the

mini led display okay so that actually leaves a lot of questions to be had because they are 300 different which they have the exact same specs the only difference is that the 13 inch is thinner by two millimeters and that's the only thing and then the screen is bigger yeah obviously but it's 300 bucks which is crazy yeah it's it's one of those things where it feels like that's a huge leap for just slightly bigger but also i kind of feel like if you're buying the pro you're probably not as worried about your money as possible and if you really want something that is larger i think people will throw three hundred dollars at it i don't know if that means it should be three hundred dollars more but yeah i think people will buy it i mean yeah they probably will buy it i feel like i would be more likely to buy the 11 inch since it's a thousand dollars versus 1300 i totally agree i also think i would prefer

11 inch better than yeah a huge tablet i don't think i want something as small as like a mini right i know there's plenty of people who would love a mini pro yeah yeah alice isn't paying attention or sorry i was curious no it's some nerd stuff i i was were you looking up the tandem oled i was looking it up this morning i was curious if you needed a second set of electrodes in a tandem oled setup you don't at least my prelim research because Because, you see, guys, an OLED screen is a... To be fair, and this might sound really stupid, but it's like

when they said tandem OLED, they're basically saying two OLED screens. I'm like, how much more expensive is this going to be? Because it's kind of like two screens. But it's not like two screens. That's why. It's a dumb question. Because what separates an OLED screen from a mini LED screen, I mean, other than the OLED light sources being way, way tinier, is that a mini-LED screen is like this array of these discrete transducers that are generating light when they accept current. An OLED screen is like, you know, it's a film of organic compounds that when exposed to a current generate light similar to a diode.

And so what you do is you put an anode and a cathode on either side of that film. And then you're sending light, you're sending current through at specific points. And typically you make the anode black and the cathode transparent. And then the light hits your eyeballs. parent and then the light hits your eyeballs so really all you need to do is take a second film with those carbon diodes and also put it between that anode and cathode and then just kick up the juice a little bit more yeah um so it's not like having two displays it's more like having one and a third display okay yeah and the benefit is you're not putting more current into an individual display you're like putting it into both so you don don't, you get less burn in this way.

Oh, okay. It's much less likely to get burn in because you're not like putting more current through it. And I'm also assuming they're doing, I might be wrong, Ellis, do you know of any TVs that do this tandem OLED? No, this is the only product. Okay, so, and I'm assuming that is,

you said to increase brightness because we don't take our TVs outside where we're taking an iPad outside and you generally need, obviously much higher higher brightness what i read this morning said that this was the first uh display in the world that uses it it might be but i'm seeing scientific papers about stacked ola displays going back like 20 30 years yeah that makes sense what i read is that the technology was just super expensive and that apple basically used mini LED as like a filler in between getting to this technology cheap enough. That makes sense.

Also, I need to correct something I said earlier. Earlier I said the cathode is transparent and the anode is not. On TVs, it's the other way around. The cathode is not transparent. The anode is transparent. I caught that, but I was just going to let you take the heat on that one. I'm sorry. Yeah.

Okay. Anyway. anode is transparent i caught that but i'm just gonna let you take the heat on that one i'm sorry yeah okay anyway i just want to say we have not mentioned the most important upgrade to these ipads the facetime camera is on the correct side yeah finally so they moved yeah so they finally moved because the last generation in the cheaper ipads they moved the facetime camera to the horizontal edge uh but in the more expensive ones, they didn't, which seemed insane. Now it's on the horizontal edge. So when you're doing a FaceTime call and your iPad is like horizontal, you can actually,

it won't be over here. Yeah, I feel like I didn't make that connection where the pro model is much more likely to be put onto some sort of stand and be used for like landscape mode than the cheap model,

which is probably like just be carrying around kids and older people like just holding it up and do it yeah that's very funny yeah it's funny um so okay also there's going to be a nano texture glass option but it's only available on the one terabyte and two terabyte models of the pro uh and it's an extra hundred dollars and marquez got to see it he said it was pretty weird because it it's sort of like that paper like film that you can put on your ipad so it gives it like kind of that texture and it cuts down on glare but that's also cutting down on sharpness and brightness he said contrast and sharpness i think contrast and sharpness, I think. Contrast and sharpness. So you're really like, I feel like that's specific. They're really targeting like professional artists

who use iPads for that because like, why else would you buy that? Yeah, I mean, if you're in a position where you get a lot of glare and it's bad, to be fair in the video when he showed it and the lights were showing, like the glare does look significantly reduced. But like, yeah, i guess if you're in a position also an ipad feels like something that would be the easiest to pull away from glare because of how mobile it is but

yeah uh i don't know who exactly that's targeted at yeah i personally think that it would be better to just buy one of those paper like displays because then you can take it off if you don't that's a very good point yeah or like maybe if you're looking to upgrade your ipad maybe buy one for your current ipad and see what it affects before making the purchase decision of that right but considering it's only available on the one and two terabyte models i'm guessing that they're like hardcore like artists that store a ton of stuff locally on their iPad. Yeah, I'm not sure. For an artist, is there a reason why you think it would be them just because you're losing sharpness? Or you're saying artists because you're doing vector images?

It has a little bit of a texture to it, and the reason that people buy the paper-like thing is because it makes it feel more like writing on paper. Yeah, I'm not sure. Yeah, I'm not sure. Yeah, I'm not sure. We do not have any XDR displays with the anti-clear. Does it? Mine has it.

Do you feel like it looks different? My studio display. Does it really? Yeah. Do you guys feel a difference when you look between the monitors? No. Yes.

Okay. Yeah, I do. Well, Ellis is looking at audio so yeah yeah also something that there's a bunch of little small things that i like dug up this morning now that it's been long enough after the event uh we're getting a new m4 chip in these ipads which i think we should talk about a little bit the fact that it's very weird to launch their brand new chip that's like focused around AI and like tops of performance in a thing that needs no more power than it already has. Totally agree.

Like why? They've always been kind of strange in how they, what products they release these new chips in, I felt like. Because wasn't the, was it like m2 or m3 one of the first things it was in was like a 13 inch macbook pro and like um the touch bar macbook pro when it was like already and then the macbook air had like a new design and yeah i don't remember exactly what that is but it's always it's never been the like the pro the cool pro version that feels like it needs the most computer yeah i think it's because they'd have to launch uh the the pro the cool pro version that feels like it needs the most compute yeah i think it's because they'd have to launch uh the the pro like m2 pro and m2 max with it yeah and they don't always do

that usually they just do an architecture jump and just put it in some cheaper products and then they later release the pro stuff do you think there's any part of that to be like well now the non-pro version has this bigger chip so it might be more powerful than my pro version so i can buy the more powerful version and then now you have a half-life a half a year update each year because like marquez when he had the before he decided that like m1 was going to be totally fine for him he had like the m1 macbook pro and then like the m2 macbook air came out i think and there was this like well well, that's technically better. Yeah.

Are you going to get it? Like there's that thought process of like, this is the more powerful machine, even though it's not the pro version. Right. Yeah. I mean, the thing I am people into it. I don't know. I mean, it's been like there was no new iPads released last year.

And that's the longest that they've gone without updating the iPad ever and so maybe they just figured like okay we gotta update the iPad and my hot take is that Qualcomm is announcing well they're releasing their first X Elite laptops in like there's there's a Microsoft event later this month that everyone assumes is going to release the X Elite stuff. And Asus was like teasing like an AI PC thing. So I think all this stuff's going to come out. At Qualcomm's Tech Summit back in October, they made a bunch of like performance metric comparisons.

And it seems like it like outperforms M3. So by like a certain amount of percentage so i'm assuming that they are just like getting the m4 out the door so that they can say we still have the fastest arm chips on the market something that would back that claim up is there are quite a few things they announced that were coming as features or software for this that aren't coming out till later this summer right everyone's favorite let's announce it enjoy it later but by now yeah so like that would kind of back up your claim on that but it also feels weird just like when is apple really giving a damn about what other people are doing and again like they're if they're doing that to be like we're better than you and then ipad actual owners are like we don't like, we don't need this. We don't need this.

It is a weird device to release it in. They were making a bunch of these like instant background removal demos and all this stuff that it can do because it's very focused on AI performance. They have all these machine learning cores. That was a, you're talking about the in Final Cut Pro where it was like essentially

rotoscoping out the person like dancing rotoscoping i would love to see that in real time because that seems extremely powerful if it works that well obviously the examples are always gonna look perfect but davinci resolve actually has a lot of those features um so yeah that's stuff you have to hire people to like do and now an ip iPad can potentially do it in one click. In one click, which is crazy. Other stuff about the M4, it also has a new display engine that enables 10 to 120 hertz promotion support. So these iPad Pros will go down to 10 hertz. Previously, they only went down to 24 hertz. Okay.

So that's a little slower. I would love for them to eventually go down to one, like a lot of the smartphones that we see, so that you could use it as an e-reader or something and not worry about draining your battery, but whatever. There are four performance cores and six efficiency cores. But as we found out, only the one terabyte and the two terabyte have all four performance cores. And if you get any of the other models,

they only have three performance cores. They're binned. Fun. Which they didn't say. No. And you can only see that if you go on the apple website and look at the specific specs which is kind of crazy yeah i've i'm sure there's reasonings and there have been in the past but it's always weird when the storage option seems to change like performance things yeah but yeah well and then the other thing is that they also didn't say is the 256 and 512 options are eight gigs of RAM and the one terabyte and two terabyte are 16 gigs of RAM, which is like a huge difference. Yeah. And they didn't mention that either. to just like uh skew numbers and hey it's just easier if we assume somebody with wanting more

storage is going to want a little more power and those people are willing to spend money so let's just rather than have all this customization of like 16 gigs of ram but 256 of storage like we don't need to make those yeah it just it's unfortunate if you want if you don't need a terabyte of storage well i also find some irony in that because part of the reason that the M series laptops are so good is that you can get less RAM because of the insanely fast swap memory. But if you get the lower storage options, then you get less RAM.

So you have less swap memory available. But if you have the higher storage options, you have more swap memory available. So it's all confusing and i i mean they're it just seems like they're gunning like buy the expensive one yeah come on i guess but then you're paying like two thousand dollars yeah it's like twenty five hundred dollars is the most expensive the most expensive i think was like 2600 or something like that which is crazy wild just get a $2600 ipad bro please um okay they quietly got rid of a

camera and it almost felt like it said nothing it almost but it felt like they were trying to by adding that lidar sensor by almost looking like a camera it i feel like that camera bump is the most like disorganized unesthetically pleasing camera bump apple has ever done yeah just nothing matches everything is like a different circle or color it felt off it felt like the models that we get that just have like fake glass and fake cameras on the back yeah they're all matte so instead of like on the iphone where you have like the clear glass bump it's like just matte metal bump. Yeah.

It just feels very strange. But yeah, they got rid of a camera, which is super weird. I was thinking that they would, you know, realign them like they did with the iPhones for spatial video. Yeah. Grandma could take spatial video at the baseball game. You need a vision pro for that. Yeah. But no, we just have one 12 megapixel camera for 4k video

uh they added some they added a true tone flash for document scanning so now it like takes a bunch of different flashes to kind of adaptively create a image of a document that isn't shadowed in any way that doesn't feel like it's because like scanners are the worst we all just want to take pictures but pictures look like pictures there's an app called google photo scan that's been out for like a decade and it had this feature where you would like it would have these four dots and you'd move your phone and it would take four images so that the shadows were all different and then it would stitch them together and create a pdf from that how's that not just a default camera option in

every phone i think samsung phones have always had photo scanners i'm gonna have to look at that because i did not know about that yeah samsung has samsung has a bazillion you know probably all made in photo scanner what the books palma baby it's not a phone it's not a phone yeah uh yeah probably all made by uh the cyanogen mod people while they're working at samsung um can we just look at this camera bump is that five different diameter circles yes every single circle is a different size yeah and that just looks so unappled it is really weird it's and nobody knows what if this is the lidar uh nobody knows what that other circle is because there's a flash there's a microphone there's a lidar there's a camera and then nobody knows what that last one is and nobody's

i haven't said anything online about what it is um okay i just went on the most ridiculous deep dive of my whole entire life and yes while literally every news outlet is reporting that this is the first device with a tandem oled screen that just does not seem like anywhere near the truth um lg claims that they started mass producing tandem oled screens in 2019 but is it called tandem oled yeah they use the term tandem oled um but do they put them in anything it seems to me that they uh were putting them in cars so it seems like apple is gonna get away with saying they're the first to do this because it seems like lg doesn't want anyone that's using them to like announce they're using the tech but uh it does not seem anywhere near like the first device maybe like if you don't count automotive displays as displays you can all right

uh that's about it for the ipads there is also a new thinner and lighter magic keyboard uh that they said makes it feel just like a MacBook. Because it's made of aluminum. It's got the... Dude, this is just a MacBook. What's a computer? What's a computer? I don't get it. Yeah, it's made of aluminum.

It's got the function row. It has haptic feedback for the trackpad. It seems like they literally ripped the bottom off of a MacBook and turned it into a magic keyboard. Which, it's... I'll go against the grain i i don't like this to me sounds like the i guess because it's not mac os but like i hate two and ones because i think they're just stupid i think i'd rather have like an

if i was more focused on the tablet part of a two-in-1 and having this accessory, despite it being $350? For the 13-inch, yeah. Yeah, like, this accessory that does make it a little worse laptop but close to a laptop and functionality of a laptop, and I still get my really nice iPad Pro, I'd take this over a 2-in-1. Yeah.

I want to try it. But it can apparently now push 40 watts through those pins that the iPad floats on, which is pretty crazy. That's nice. But yeah, $300 for the 11-inch and $350 for the 13-inch, which, by the way, that makes this keyboard, if you buy the 13-inch keyboard, the same price as the baseline iPad. Nice. Which is crazy. Yeah, so it's $250.

And everyone gets mad at Andrew for for spending three i was gonna say maybe i've just spent three hundred dollars on too many keyboards before that this doesn't seem that wild that's fair uh but yeah it starts at 9.99 and 12.99 which again very big price jump instead of making it mac os they're just like taking all of their apps and putting it on ipad like final cut Logic and everything. You mean Final Cut for iPad 2. 2. That confused our entire office for a while.

Yeah, this is very confusing. They announced two new app, well, three new apps, actually. They announced Final Cut for iPad 2, which is weird because Final Cut for iPad didn't come out that long ago and it was missing a bazillion features and is a monthly subscription and sucks in a lot of ways. It was also confusing how they said it because what they said was with two new apps, Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro 2.

Yeah. To me, that is Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro 2. Then we started thinking it was called Final Cut Pro 2 and then we got in this, we got very worried that maybe they were gonna do a Final Cut Pro 2. And then we got in this, we got very worried that maybe they were going to do a Final Cut Pro 2 for the Mac and then charge people again. But then somebody was like, wait, why is this called iPad 2? And it's like, no, it's called Final Cut for iPad 2.

Yeah. Which, why are they doing that? Final Cut for iPad 2? If you hover over it on that, will that pop up and say final cut for ipad 2 probably i don't know maybe maybe we just think this is dumb this might feel like one of those things that just seems so simple but that confused the first one did not come out that long ago and it was missing a million features that they said said they were going to add and didn't add and it seems like the only benefit of final cut for ipad is to like start putting clips together on a train

so that when you get home you can like then bring it into your macbook but that that's a five dollar a month subscription which is insane i've spent worse for five dollars a month i just see it as so useless i get like well another thing announced, which was something we got excited for then we're promptly not excited about, was the Final Cut Live Cut camera, which when they first said it, it said you can live cut up to four cameras. So all of us were like,

can we live cut the podcast now using an iPad? That sounds so cool. But you have to install an app called- Final Cut Camera. Live, I think. Or no, no, just Final Cut Camera. And it's only on iPhones and iPads. So you can switch between up to four cameras

that are on iPhones or iPads. So this podcast will now be shot on all iPhones. No, iPads. We should all use iPads. It's one of each of our grandparents holding an iPad. Yeah. All my grandparents are dead. Mine too.

Same. Nice. So how many grandparents do you have? All four, but no, I got three. Three? That's all we need. Dude, yeah. Three cameras.

Bring them in. Yeah, bring them in. All right. We're taking over the podcast. Me and my ancestors see this was so weird they showed they were like shooting this climbing video and they had three different or four different people with iphones in cages like yeah taking video and then they had one person on the ipad and they were basically live editing a video by switching

between the iphone cameras when this showed on the screen, everyone in the studio just turned and looked at me. I was like, can we do this on the podcast? Yeah. This is just the dumbest thing ever. It seems so over-engineered and I don't know. This is like Apple's perfect world where they're like, nobody will ever have a dedicated camera ever anymore. And everyone will use their iPhone for everything and live streaming though

but nobody uses four iPhones to do live streaming but you couldn't before now you can who cares can you live stream from the Final Cut app into like a service probably I mean even if it didn't wasn't built into the app you could just get a capture card and a dongle

I've been i i'll play devil's advocate a little bit with ellis if he's playing it with me but yeah i think there's definitely scenarios first of all if we want to always tell people go make content with what you have and what you have is an iphone it's hard to knock this no no now you need four iphones and an ipad pro yeah That's a lot more expensive. It is more. It probably is more expensive than a nice camera and a microphone. I get it, though, because when this was first announced, I was like, okay, this is kind

of cool for video podcasts because you could be like, hey, three friends, come over with your iPhones, just set it up, and we'll use the iPhones. But again, this isn't a cheaper alternative to something. You can already do that with free software and whatever iPhone you currently have. So it'll be easier. Yeah, and the way they were showing it off was like doing live cutting from the iPad.

And it's like, are you gonna have a producer for your podcast where you live cut? I think there's a scenario. I'm not available. If I had to find the scenario where I think this works best, it's just that video is just like so important for any type of business in marketing right now.

So if you're a smaller business that can't afford a production team or production equipment or like even really a social media manager, maybe there's some way that you want to actually do some sort of online marketing. And chances are there's four iPhones in your work. And if you can convince those people to connect them up with final cut camera you could probably do some content like i had to dig for that i don't it's a good point i don't love this thing that much i don't see me ever

using it but i like i do think there is some scenario social media is just way too powerful these days and it's some of the best marketing out there look look i'm gonna play devil's advocate two here like final cut two devil's advocate for ipad two but assuming and i know this is a big assumption gargantuan assumption just huge assumption okay but assuming this final cut camera for iphone can stream wirelessly to to the iPad in 4k and you can have multiple 4k streams how much do you think a standalone dedicated hardware 4k switcher would cost we've looked into this before oh I know $229 I thought it was like 10 plus thousand okay neither of you are even close that was hilarious uh it's about $1,800 for a 4K switcher.

And then probably another $1,000 for an actual controller to use it. David was way closer than I was. I was going to say relatively. So for like the $2,200 you're all in on a 4K switcher, you could get almost a top of the line iPad, which could do everything else too. Assuming it's 4k. Yeah. My ultimate question is, would there be some way of us taking a professional camera with a video output as like an external monitor into an iPhone? And then the iPhone would be able to cast that into the iPad and then you could live switch. I have a feeling the answer is no, but if it's yes dude that changes everything for

dude honestly that would be so more iphone sales now we have to buy an iphone for each one of our cameras no no no we could literally dude we could throw out our teradek and we could just use iphones yeah yeah dude yeah wireless dude you the the amount of headaches wireless video causes the studio. Like if we could do what you just described. That's the other question is what is the range of this wireless video? To be fair, they were rock climbing and they were up on the wall and he was live switching. Yeah. I know they never lie on those.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, there wasn't the scene where the rock climber like goes to the gym employee and is like, what's the Wi-Fi so I can do my camera switch? I love rocks 2024s. Right. That's what it is at every gym, right? It's the law. It's almost all, yeah. Pretty much like, I love where I am the year.

Yeah. Exclamation point. So, yeah. Anyway, this Final Cut 2 for iPad 2, they didn't really announce a lot of new features for it, which is the other thing that was weird. They barely talked about it. They said that there was like the instant photoscoping.

That's kind of all they talked about. To be fair, if that works like that, is it fantastic? Yeah, and they should have just put it in Final Cut for iPad 1. Not wrong. They also announced Logic for iPad 2, or just logic pro 2 maybe maybe just pro for ipad 2 i don't know i think it was just 2 ls do you know i don't think so okay do you want to talk about what they added to logic pro 2 they added uh they added a bass guy and a keyboard guy to complement the drum guy. People like the drum guy. Oh, the drum guy was there already.

Can you explain what that is? Like you did to me yesterday. Yeah. So essentially, if you don't want to program drums in a track you're working on, you can open up this thing. I think they call it the studio drummer. I don't use it for work here. thing i think they call it the studio drummer i i don't use it it for work here but um you have this sort of like grid that has a bunch of parameters like an xy grid and then you tell it you know you place this little dot on and it'll just like play drums along with your music and

because it's apple um all of the different drummers have like names i can't remember what them but like if you want like the the rock drummer you have to like like choose scott you know and if you if you want like the dance drummer you choose like the rock like the duane johns yeah like no what are yeah oh the like the pop rock is kyle retro rock is logan why hard rock is anders um, so it's like this thing. And it actually works well. It's tasteful drums. It sounds real enough to work use for a demo. So they've

opened this up to bass and keys. Is it a set beat or something? Or is it listening to what you've created and creates based on that? Well, you're in Logic Pro already. So Logic knows the tempo of your song because when you're making music in a computer, you're almost always locked to the grid. So you've already set the tempo, it knows that. It's going to look at your MIDI and potentially your audio too, and sort of be like, okay, like, this is a section, he's got a bunch of instruments coming here, there should probably be a fill right here. I believe you could also tell it to like switch, like go to the hi-hats here. right here i believe you could also tell it to like switch like go to the hi-hats here and then you're you're giving it a bunch of info like i want you to play big fills i want you to play

simple quiet stuff um it's a cool feature uh it's you know it i wasn't like this is the i've been waiting for the bass guy yeah you know but um what is the situation on this on if you are producing that music and selling it or using it uh i don't think they do material no i don't think they take any there's no copyright like what are the chances it creates something extremely similar as someone else and then can you copyright that music that's not really how music copyrights work you can't disagree you can't as far as i'm aware you you can't really copyright uh a specific like instrumental figure in a song you can copyright melodies for sure um and that's sort of where drums are nice because they're inherently okay a melodic um i whether you know like

i don't know it feels like the the how many monkeys in a basement does it take to type Shakespeare sort of thing? Like with the base, like maybe eventually someone will get a famous baseline, but just like, um, Adam just Googled, did Fort minor have to pay Apple?

Did, was there a Fort minor song? So basically Fort minor, remember the name, that song is an apple loop from garage band really like that's just a loop so i'm trying to figure out if they had to pay no no no loops loops have specific license agreements that you accept when you open the software that make it like they're not they're royalty free you can use loops the the big thing with loops and i know we're

getting way off topic i'm gonna get to the other logic pro thing is that um you're not allowed to redistribute them as loops so you can't buy a loop pack and then sell those loops as like your original loops you have to use them in a song okay the other feature there's two two more two more i only remember one the stem splitter yeah and there's the chroma glow toning oh my god that was like okay let's do the stem splitter first stem splitter this is not new apps have been doing this for like five or more years you give it a song and it gives you four audio files with all the different tracks i have no idea i'm sure it works because other people have been making this work for years apple is probably the best audio company on the planet so not surprised it's true we all know it's true

sorry who else is there someone was very upset that you said the airpods too so many like comments like wow you should fire him like he doesn't know anything about audio they sound really good and if you don't believe me that they sound really good just like start researching to the degree to which they're tuned more than any other speaker you can buy. Like if they don't sound good, it's millions, hundreds of millions of dollars wasted. Chill. Chill. Okay.

SEM splitter. So yeah, it probably works. I don't know, man. Like, cool. I was like, that's pretty cool. The Chroma Glow. Yeah. man like cool i was i was like that's pretty cool the chroma glow yeah that really confused me because they did the classic apple thing where they were like oh this is gonna change everything

um get ready but like i really didn't understand like what made it like is it not just a harmonic saturator? That's what it is. Does it do anything? The marketing says, Chromaglow models the sounds produced by a blend of the world's most revered studio hardware by leveraging AI and the power of M-series Apple Silicon. Users can dial in the perfect tone with five different saturation styles

to add ultra-realistic warmth, presence, and punch to any track. They can also choose from modern clean sounds, nostalgic vintage warmth, or more extreme styles that can be shaped and molded to taste. Can we start a timer two minute explanation of this? Ready? Wait, hold on. I got to actually set the timer. Yeah, if you don't want to hear this, just skip ahead two minutes. Okay, so people think old audio gear tends to sound better than new audio gear. And the reason that is, is because old audio gear has this thing that's called non-linearity. As you approach the loudest you can get, the loudness doesn't happen across all frequencies at the same rate. Typically, the lower frequencies tend to

come out more, and this is due to this process called harmonic saturation. Think about one single frequency, a single sine wave, and then you add these little speckles of sine waves and these mathematical orientations up the frequency band, and your ears just hear it as one warm, nice sound. If you add a lot of saturation, it stops sounding like saturation, and it starts sounding like distortion. Clipping, like real audio clipping, is typically... There you go. Clipping is typically the most extreme form of saturation where there's so many harmonics that the waves are actually getting cut off. Okay, so typically the way these things work is they're

effectively giant audio LUTs. You take an old piece of gear, you run every frequency at every volume through it, and you make this giant lookup table of input to output, and then you can recreate that digitally. I would hope, since they're shoving the word AI down our throats every five seconds in this stupid that they're using an AI to somehow more smoothly and cleanly get around and through those lookup tables. I don't know. Maybe they're using AI to blend those lookup tables. I don't know. Maybe they're using AI to blend those lookup tables. Maybe they're not using AI at all and they're just doing what other audio companies have

been doing for like 10 years now. Yeah. Who knows? My take is that it's just- Wait, my two minutes are up yet. Continue, yeah. 30 seconds. Was I excited that Apple is introducing a harmonic saturator?

Not really. I have tons of killer harmonic saturators that don't claim to use AI already in my workflow. And also I'm not really making music here that often. So I don't use them very much. So I got a big nope on this one. But if anyone can explain to me why it should be a dope, I'll take it.

Time's up. Nice. All right. Sorry, David. My take is. Time's up. Nice. Sorry, dude. My take is that it's just machine learning that they've been doing forever and they are starting to reformat the whenever they say they used to just say ML. They are now just starting to say

AI because their services businesses are doing badly and their stock was not doing as well as they hoped and they figure they can juice the stock if they just start saying ai even if it's just regular machine learning in my humblest opinion if you are not using transformers um just call it machine learning but that's just me okay cool one more thing oh i do i do okay well so i just looked it up um it is final it is logic pro for ipad 2 right but not logic pro 2 no no but they are updating logic pro to be called logic pro 11 on on like mac is it 10 now yeah yeah wasn't final cut pro 10 yeah yeah so it's being updated

to logic pro 11 which will be a free update for people who already have logic pro or you can still buy it for the three uh three hundred dollar or two hundred two hundred dollar one-time fee or their free trial lasts forever so not literally forever, but like a long time. But you can also pay the $5 a month on the iPad, just like Final Cut, which is terrible. I'm so over subscription fees. Anyway, yeah, so those were the three new apps that they introduced. Last thing, and I promise we'll get to trivia pretty soon, but they also an apple pencil pro which you know it was bound to happen just another one on the most confusing lineup possible yes like you've looked the apple pencil lineup is absurd it makes no sense yeah

so previously they had like a tap gesture that you could do to switch things now you can squeeze the pencil which brings up a tool palette. They also put haptics in the butt of the pencil to vibrate when you're doing things so that you're supposed to have haptic interactions. I'm interested in how natural that feels considering the haptic motor is in the back of the pencil, but that should be interesting.

Also, they introduced a gyroscope so you can change the orientation of your brush, which I think is very cool. Yeah, I think it changes orientation, and also when you're doing, it looked like, I think in Hover, you can rotate it to select different things in this cool little menu.

There's a lot of stuff on this Apple Pencil Pro. I make fun of the lineup, but this pencil's really cool, and there's a lot of cool stuff. Adding like a Z-axis or a turning axis of orientation for interaction, i think is very cool yeah um i can't wait to get it so i can continue drawing smiley faces and stick figures to me this is like watching this it reminds me of a gopro like a gopro marketing when i watch it i'm like

that is the coolest thing ever i could be that cool and then i buy it and i'm going four miles an hour down a ski slope and the pencil is like i, I want that, but I can't draw at all. So what would I ever use? Yeah. I think for artists that draw an iPad, it's cool because there are certain brushes that are like kind of just flat lines and they have this stroke.

And so now that you have the orientation, you can like change the orientation when you start the stroke. And the hover thing to select layers was pretty cool too. And then they worked with, what is the procreate they worked with procreate to talk about like all the ways that they're using it because they're going to have an api for the gyroscope in the pencil which is interesting and procreate has this new animation app called procreate create dreams where you can pull in a bunch of procreate assets and like create insanely simple animations and they were showing how you could be playing back the video and moving things in the video and turning the pencil which

would rotate the objects and when you say simple you mean simple to do like yes they're ultra complex animations that you can do but you can do them in an extremely simple right it's like simple keyframing which is cool um yeah Yeah, so I actually think the Apple Pencil Pro is one of the coolest updates to this entire thing, to everything that's coming out. But that's going to be $129. It does work with the M2 iPad Air as well as the M4 iPad Pro. However, only those two models,

because they moved where the magnet array is for charging and apparently had to change the magnet array. don't know if i completely buy that i mean it's more of an excuse than just the like what every tech company does is like new product new feature you ain't getting it on the old ones so at least there is somewhat of a hardware difference on why it needs to and the magnet array changed because of where they move the camera right yeah yeah so yeah 129 that was basically the apple event um you can pretty much pre-order everything right now uh if you want to you can pre-order it get it soon and then get the rest of the features sometime in the summer and then remember that the ipad doesn't do anything so yeah you can spend a bunch of money and then

watch netflix i every time an ipad comes out i want to buy one and i realize i will only use it to watch movies yeah it's just like why speaking of ipad things we forgot the most important thing okay which is the sneakers that tim cook was wearing right we're freaking dope yeah me and alex well they were designed on an ipad well yeah they were designed by an ipad which came out after but alex and i were trying to figure it out after the event, like what sneakers are those? And we just like really couldn't find them. They're apparently Nike Air Max 1s, 86s that were designed on iPad.

I just want to say sneakers app won. But they only made one. No, no, no, no, no. They tell you they made one. Oh. I'm telling Apple they need to make more. How do you design something from 86? Wait for it.

Wait, hold on, hold on. Oh, nice. That's kind of a real question. It's just like that's the generation style. I think it's the model, I guess. Yeah. Cool, Tim. So yeah, that's the Apple event.

We'll do a quick trivia and ad break. And then when we come back, we will talk about the new Pixel 8a because there's so much hardware this week. But first, let's do trivia. Trivia, dude. So second question, how many times did Apple say AI during the iPad event?

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It's so cool. They change so much. Yeah. It's basically a Pixel 8 with a slightly smaller display. Rounder. Rounder. It's definitely a more round SpongeBob vibe. That was the best reference in Marques' video.

Yeah. So it's got a 6.1-inch display. It is now 120 hertz, which is nice. Dynamic, right? Dynamic. Sorry. Yeah, because the 7A was 90, so it's nice to get 120. But again, it's dynamic, and there's only two options. There's 60 hertz static or dynamic up to 120.

So, you know, that's what you get. 40% brighter display, which I think is a big deal. It's nice that all the device manufacturers in the last couple of years have been jacking up the brightness, I think. For sure. So this gets up to 1400 nits or 2000 nits peak, which is very nice. You get basically all of the AI features that you get in all the Google phones, which is really cool. This is the first A-series device with Gemini Nano on it, which is cool. They slightly bumped the battery to about 4,500 million powers, which is an extremely slight bump.

Yeah. Just about 4,400 million powers last year. 45 looks better. Yeah. Yeah. It has wireless charging up to 7.5 watts, which is pretty slow. There are two new colors. There is aloe, which is based on aloe vera.

For those that don't know, it is a plant that you can scrape the plant, and you get like a gel that you can put on sunburns, and it's good for your sunburns. You can also eat it. Or drink it. I'm not telling you that. Don't do that right now, just in case you're not supposed to. I'm pretty sure you can, but I'm not going to tell you there is an aloe vera drink there's another drink that i used to drink all the time for my co-op in the middle of the forest and it was delicious i can go try it

if you have an opportunity i feel like and that well the other color is blue and to jump in here i feel like obey yeah the two colors should have been Aloe and the Aloe gel. Because sometimes there's that gel you can buy for suns after you get sunburned, and it's like this weirdo blue color. Blue container. Yeah, so it could have been both. They both could have been Aloe. Yeah, which is cool. Yeah, so the awkward thing about the Pixel 8a is that it's $500.

is that it's $500. The Pixel 8, literally up until the day of the Pixel 8A announcement, was $550 on sale. And it had been for a very long time. It has gone down as low as $500 on sale. So the only benefit you're getting to getting the 8 device is that you still get the seven years

of software updates. So technically this device is six you still get the seven years of software updates so technically this device is six months newer so you might get another software update would you argue that like you're probably better off longevity wise of having the upgraded hardware and that lasting better yeah i yeah the hardware is not that much better that's the no no i'm saying like getting the old the eight yeah i know is that okay yeah the hardware of the a is like you got a slightly brighter display um you've got glass this one's plastic so that you know that's a difference technically you got bigger camera sensors you got faster charging and wireless charge actually yeah there's a lot of better stuff in the eight so if the eight goes back down in price to 550 which it probably

will within a month when everybody forgets about the the 8a just get the eight like just get and the pixel 9 is coming out in october which is only five months away that's well wait question for you guys so when the eight inevitably goes down again do you think the 8a will go on sale no you don't think it'll go to like not at the same time 350 right now if you pre-order the aa you get a hundred dollars in google credit google store credit which is worthless so yeah which is worthless well if you use that to buy a pixel 8 yeah yeah it's just a weird release like i've always thought the a is a weird release yeah i think they should all just be in the same lineup it makes more sense it's also weird that we go i guess it makes sense eight eight

a nine but like it almost always feels like by the time we're talking about the a version we're also looking forward to the nine yeah which is a totally different uh like in the year you get an eight and a nine i don't know yeah no it's confusing it's confusing i agree um but technically that's available now but just by the 14th just by the eight just by the eight just by the eight i think that was the title of our video too was just at the eight thank you so um anyway that's a thing i have one more thing a question or an idea i had over the weekend that i want to pose to everyone before we wrap up the podcast no cool we'll be back next week thanks you uh this is turning into a thing it is at the end of every episode it's just like andrew's thought corner that's too much pressure for me

but we'll go to make some music for it i like that if you make music for it maybe i'll keep posing using an iPad with Kyle the drummer um okay so I had a road trip up to Boston and I like I love Android uh auto and I was using my maps on the way back home and we're trying to find a coffee spot and I hate how it like will show you restaurants or stuff that you want inside of Google Maps like it's kind of cool how it's like this is along your route. This is how much of a detour it's going to add, but feel super limited. I've done ones where I've been like, I just all I want is breakfast that is in a drive through that I don't have to get out of my car to get, but I'll type in restaurants and it'll just show me every restaurant, including ones that are like closed. Maybe not. I don't know. But so I think Google Maps or Apple Maps or Waze would be the best place for like some

sort of voice activated AI chatbot large language model where like in my car, I can be like, find me a restaurant within the next 40 minutes of driving that doesn't add more than 20 minutes to my route that has a drive. Like there's so many things are there that like you can be like, hey, find me a restaurant and I'll bring you to one in like a mall and you're like i'm on a road trip right now i don't want to go into a mall to pick up my food so if i could be way more specific about what i want like along the highway or a rest stop or like i want this type of food or if it has coffee that's not a chain like i think all of those things are things that you could wrap into a suggestion base especially along a route and understanding all the context yeah to me that feels like it would be the best spot that i would want this in right now what if i told you google

io is in like three weeks and i bet that'll be there it's in one week is it in one week yeah next week is the google it'll be there and it'll release with the chain link fence detection. No, I like it though. That's a good idea. I feel like think about things you want to stop at quickly on your way somewhere and how specific you're thinking. Because you're not just thinking, I want coffee. You're probably like, I want a decent coffee, but I'm not willing to wait over an hour for that decent coffee. So then I'll settle for something.

And I don't want it to add 20 minutes onto your... How long have you added an hour onto your ride? Because you went a little farther for Taco Bell. More times than I can count. Good God. It's not always great at really actually picking on your route. I don't know. Can I do the New York version of that?

Sure. I want it to know me, maybe even plug it into like my budgeting apps. And if I'm looking for coffee, I want it to set like a hard price limit. that's like nine dollars that sucks i think with breakfast also where restaurants will only serve breakfast to a certain time if i say i want breakfast drive-thru and it's 10 o'clock don't suggest me something that's 45 minutes away because breakfast will be closed by then yeah i think the problem with this though is that it requires google maps to be accurate yeah that's what i was gonna say is it needs it needs like this metadata of locations about the things that they offer and like which changes all the time. Are those things not available online, though? They probably are. So you'd have to have Google like scrape the menu

page. I want them to do that. Scraping the menu page is exactly what I want. What if I'm like, I want a bacon, egg and cheese and an ice latte at a drive-thru within the next 30 minutes. And then it could show me where that is. But all the best places don't have like a menu website. It's like you have to click on their store. Look at the pictures. The user pictures.

Three years ago, took a picture of the menu. Scrape it, baby. I think a lot of them have menu websites. They should at this point. A lot of them have it. I don't know. Well, if they don't have it, then they're not getting suggested and losing business.

I will say Google Maps really needs to change the default view to open now because I always have to hit the open now button and it knocks out three quarters of the available restaurants. What is open now? Oh, like that it's open? Yeah, I got it.

Yeah, because if you want to go somewhere at like 8 p.m i'll be like food near me and it shows all this food and then i like click on a thing it's like closed like cool i have it saying like this closes at nine and your eta is very close to that like are you sure you still yeah it does that okay but when you're in the selection closed it still it still offers it to you and then when you click on it it's like oh but and then you have to go back and find something else yeah yeah so there's an open now toggle that you have that you can hit and have you heard of ai oh my god have you i don't know if we've talked about it this episode feels like i could change that do you know who invented the transformer by any chance yeah Yeah, it was Google. Well. They should do it.

That was my thought. Cool. Thought experiment. Let's get to the trivia questions and see how we do. My lights, my beautiful lights don't work. I have to fix them. I don't understand why. Trivia.

I'll get around to it. Alright guys, so earlier in the episode we introduced the viewers to a very cool futuristic concept called an electropermanent magnet. We have a device, we've got multiple of a single device in this very studio that features an electropermanent

magnet. What is it? I have like one obvious answer, but I don't think it's that. It's not the floating shoe. That's what I was thinking. There you go. I wish I didn't say that so I could have just put the floating shoe

and then I don't even know what to... Google Album Archive. Yeah, because remember whenever the power goes off, the floating shoe always falls. Conversational actions. Oh, yeah, true. Because you know how in your house you know that the power went out in the middle of the night or the microwave is blinking when you wake up? But for us, it's like we walk in

and the shoe's on the ground. And that's how you know that the power went out. Alright, what'd you put? I put standing desks. I put MagSafe charger. Which I know is wrong, but it's a magnet. It is a magnet.

The correct answer is the scroll wheel in the Logitech MX Master 3. When you toggle it from it's stepped to free-flowing modes. You're right, we do have a lot of those. That's an electro-permanent magnet. Wow. That scroll wheel is fantastic.

It is really good. Wow, Ellis, great trivia question. That is a great trivia a great question you think marquez would have gotten that right no no we'll find out because where he's gonna get this question uh final answer final answer magsafe puck it is incorrect the correct answer is the mx master 3 oh yeah speaking magnets really quickly I had a viewer email me because we talked about how it would be nice if the magsafe chargers could like be reversible there's a product available on Amazon Germany that is not available on amazon us that is a magsafe charger that charges your phone but it has a little additional thing on the back that is another magsafe charger that can charge your like watch or airpods oh so you plug in a cable to the little puck it slaps on the back of your phone and charges your phone and you can also put your like airpods

on top of it which is way your phone needs to be face down yeah i guess i didn't think oh the back side of it yeah that's fine i mean or you just hold it i guess wait you can mag you can mag safe to the screen no it's the back of the phone but you just now i'm confused it's the back of the phone so it's like in this sandwich your air pods and the puck are the bread and your phone is the meat or is no the meat is the puck oh and your phone and the airpods are the bread okay yeah cool nice yeah that was nice nice it was like a pretty it was like an 18 thing that's good when you posted that it was on like a that german amazon and when i clicked it it said like do you want to change your country of origin

i was like david got hacked and he's spamming our slack yeah next question okay also side note quick update on the score marquez david and andrew all tied with eight still considering that you guys had that yeah because we all got a point last week yeah all right so how many times did apple say ai during the ipad event wait wait wait should we do closest delta or should do prices right i'm feeling closest delta or should we do prices right? I'm feeling prices right. Yeah, let's do prices right. Prices right is always my least favorite.

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I wrote five. Wrong. was it six seven wrong is it what what was it i remember it being a ton of times because every time they said it i was like wow they actually said it but then i saw a sweet tweet that it was like like eight times or something like not that many is that your final answer i'm gonna go with eight eight eight quinn had like a tweet about how many times they said ai and this because people were complaining about it and then how many times they said 5g which was like 50 plus times when they also had a deal with ryzen that time yeah well next week we're going to have Google I.O. recap so it's going to be a very busy May. Oh boy. Not it's going to be May, it is May.

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