Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - New Pixel 8 and OnePlus Phones!

Episode Date: January 26, 2024

This week, we bring back Headlines in a Hat! So much happened that we figured it was easier to just pick them all out of a hat one at a time. Topics range from a new calendar app Marques is trying to the OnePlus 12 and the new mint green Pixel phone! Of course, we wrap it all up with some trivia at the end so stick around for the answers. Enjoy! Links: Samsung Galaxy S24 Impressions video: https://bit.ly/3S7mzmo The Verge - Amie calendar: https://bit.ly/3vHEkRJ Disney Imagineering video: https://bit.ly/496LqxM OnLeaks Pixel 9 Render: https://bit.ly/3U9KJPX Rolls Royce Spectre: https://bit.ly/48M4D7T Shop products mentioned: Samsung S24 Ultra: https://geni.us/aHRL01 Samsung S24/S24+: https://geni.us/cSqU Google Pixel 8 Pro Mint Edition: https://geni.us/Pt4l OnePlus 12: https://geni.us/hsWRB Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Instagram/Threads/Twitter: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hamburglar, why are you calling? Rubble, rubble. McDonald's has a new biggest burger called Big Arch, made with two 100% Canadian beef patties, a new delicious sauce, and all the McDonald's flavors you love, and wait, you want me to help you get it? Rubble.

Come on. Compared to beef burgers on McDonald's current menu at participating restaurants in Canada. All right, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of The Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew.

And I'm David. And this has been a techuary. I'm just saying it. Stop. That's true. I have to. It's been so much more stuff than we expected. Stop trying to make fetch happen.

All right, I'll stop. No, no, but someone did suggest the name JanUware, like software or hardware. Okay. Better. Oh, sorry. I thought you were going to say wear

because there's so many wearables, but there's not that many wearables. Yeah, the AI pin is not coming out yet yeah is that still a thing do people still is that vision pro is february 2nd so it's not january yeah so there's maybe i don't know why that was a great intro anyway we're hosts i'm marquez weird i knew i said that already i don't know why i tried to do that twice today we're doing headlines in a hat. We've done this before.

You guys know how it goes. Basically, Andrew's got a hat here. It's full of a bunch of headlines. And they're all... Get it headlines because it's a hat that you wear. Oh, yeah. We still need to make this an actual hat. We need the headlines in a hat merch. That is a hat.

Oh. Yeah. Okay. So a headlines in a hat hat is what you're saying? We should make one? Okay. I like that idea. But the point is, lots of smaller things today, and we probably have different varying lengths

of things to talk about, so we'll just put them in a hat and go through and see what they are. I'm excited. Who wants to pick first? I'll pick first. I'll pick first. Stare off. Why not?

I don't know. I'm just the guy who shakes the hat. This is one. This is gigantic. Okay. My headline and hat. Oh, this is my favorite one. Oh, no.

Sorry. To the viewers and listeners, I truly apologize for what we're about to talk about. Okay. So Adam puts it in the Slack a couple hours ago. I'm about to pass out. The Verge posted,y is a beautiful simple calendar app amie now if you know me you know that i have a bit of a weakness for i think toxic tree is the correct term you could call it that you know i like i prefer to call it like it's something i'm

working on um but i saw this and I'd never actually gotten to use it. I don't think I've even heard of Amy. So I, I clicked it. And you can blame Adam for this. I immediately dive down the rabbit hole. Now the verge article just looks like a normal article. And I'm like looking at it reading about some of the features looks pretty cool. And then I click the link to go to the website. And for some reason, it's an incredibly beautiful website. And I was immediately drawn in. I do have a huge weakness for websites that as soon as you click on them or applications that when you install them, it's just like, have you seen this website? Look at this website.

For our video viewers, you can actually see what's going on. But there's like floating glass windows that all converge into a moving calendar. And it's to-dos, email, and calendar all in one. Now, I will just preface this. I don't want to waste you guys' time. I just want to say, like, I've tried a lot of these things, and the core apps in my life are my to-do list, my calendar, and my email. And one of the biggest promises that a lot of these all-in-ones make is combining two or three of them so a lot of times it's the calendar or a lot of times it's the calendar and to-do list

so be able to put tasks on your calendar that type of thing but in order to commit to one you have to decommit from the two other apps that you were using so whatever calendar app you were using you don't use that anymore and whatever calendar app you were using, you don't use that anymore. And whatever tasks app you're using, all the systems you had set up there, you don't use that anymore. You have to hope all those features are in this hybrid app. Yeah. I haven't tried Amy yet, but that's the number one thing I'm concerned about going in is I don't know if the to-do list features are going to be as robust as what I currently use with TickTick. And I don't know if all the calendar features are going to be as robust as what i currently use with tick tick and i don't know if all the calendar features are going to be as robust as what i currently use with notion calendar and there's an email client built in which i can almost guarantee isn't as robust as what i do with

superhuman so all of these things have to have some sort of extra advantage to convince me to merge them all into one place there's also no android app and there's also uh what cry yeah there's no android app unfortunately and it also it's a subscription so oh i have to really like it and i'm gonna try it i feel like the day that you stop using tic-tac is the day hell freezes over the day the cyber truck comes out pro becomes reality that could be i should probably stop using tic-tac like now no i stopped using tic-tac once every two months when i try something else like i tried one called routine pretty recently i tried one and that was that was tasks and calendar but no email um and i tried another one i'm forgetting the name of and i try things like every six months like there's a lot of

it's called called things yeah things to things is a to-do list app. Yeah. I use both Google Keep and Google Notes and there's no organizational. Google Notes. What is Google Notes? Oh, sorry. Apple Notes. Oh, okay.

And Google Keep. I got scared. And there's no organizational structure. Alarm app, anyone? No. I use my clock. I use Keep for taking notes during reviews. So when I'm driving a car or using a phone,

as soon as I set it up, I set up a new Google Keep note for that thing to keep rolling notes of observations as we go so that when I'm ready to write the review, I just dump it into the dock. So then the new, because it wasn't in the Galaxy event, there was the like use your Keep notes

and it would organize them and bullet point them and everything. That was Samsung Notes. Yeah. yeah no so i like that feature but i'm not trying to switch to samsung notes because what if the next phone i review isn't was it samsung notes or was it galaxy ai and then would that work inside of i think it was samsung i'm gonna assume it because galaxy is not like an over structuring thing it's just a bunch of AI features and a bunch of different apps. Yeah. Samsung Notes is the specific OCR and handwriting recognition and all that. Yeah.

Yeah. Damn. So, yeah. I mean, you have a first... You haven't downloaded it yet. Oh, I have. You have. Oh, you did.

Yeah. What do you think? Yeah. So, I got it. I signed in. I checked all the boxes boxes i gave it access to my entire life you can give it your apple health data yeah you can give it spotify for some and i plan to zoom what no i immediately i didn't even read it i just said yeah i have it all okay i

have a question i have a question okay i don't understand what why people don't just use google calendar move on with their life i mean what is it about calendar apps that are better than any other calendar app because every screenshot i see of like every calendar app just looks like every other calendar i did make the joke that the screenshot in here just looks like what i see marquez using every day in this calendar app that's a totally reasonable observation calendars fundamentally all i'm about to get okay oh i'm ready let's go adam's also a freak so yeah adam and i are sickos no the calendars you can only organize them visually in so many different ways right it's time you you have a week so you have to have seven slots for

your days like we kind of figured out how to visually organize your calendar. But then there's the actual UI for inputting and managing and moving around in that visual space. A lot of people just put meetings and a couple things they need to remember

birthdays, whatever, on calendars and that's all they put. I know people who don't really even put times or locations. They just have to remember that something happens one day. They just make it an all-day event for that day, and they just know. I am not that type of person. I need to actually put the blocks out for time so that I know because I have a lot of things going on, right? So a lot of these calendar apps aren't changing visually anything at all. What they're changing is how you

get about moving things adding things subtracting things marking them as done marking them as on to the next one reallocating space sharing available space for a meeting like all that stuff that comes with this calendar thing that's what they all try to mess with so this one having email and to do's built in they're trying to convince me to drag to-do list items directly onto the calendar to commit to doing at a certain time oh so like when you go through your to-do list it wants to add that to the calendar and do that yeah and when you get an email you want to commit to doing the tasks from that email at a certain time so you drag it onto the calendar you can drag the email onto the calendar yeah oh so that's a new concept for a lot of these hybrid apps because

there have been a lot of these that have been launching recently oh yeah email apps or calendar apps or task apps just keep launching oh yeah and google keeps trying to like finite like mess with things too to try and add some of these features in it but the other thing too is that google is such a like the google calendar app they're not going to mess with that fundamentally yeah so many people use it until they shut it down until they shut it down inevitably in like three years but all of these random little apps when do you think google is ever going to have an integration that shows when you listen to spotify why would i care you won't it's just fun. It's just cool. What if I want to know how many steps

I usually take on Mondays? You look at your watch. Or you could just look at your calendar. Or you could check out your calendar and it'll tell you. Oh my God. Nice little color gradient. Stuff like that.

It's one of those things where I'm like, I get it's just a calendar app and I kind of have that same sentiment, but then realize like, it's the same people who say like, why do you need wireless charging? How long does it take to just plug your phone in it's like yeah but if you're saving all that time and all those different times it does add up and like it is convenient so maybe i just need to try it i'm willing so very funnily funnily humorously they they just announced notion calendar which just came out this last oh yeah

that was and that was it's what did it used to be it's just cron it was cron yeah so you guys just switched to that right it is the same app just with a rebrand i think they got bought by notion yeah we've been using cron for a while as our calendar app. So they just repackaged it. Does that feel better or worse than this new one that you're looking at? It's like asking a car enthusiast, does this car feel better or worse? There are things that I like about and I'm very used to in Cron slash Notion calendar,

but I'm willing to forgo some of those to try some new features that this one might have. Cool. I like that. That's about all I got. Shout out to my fellow calendar enthusiasts. Next headline. That could have been it.

I'm trying to, so audio listeners can hear us shaking. That's me shaking. All right. I can't believe I got this headline. All right. New Jersey. all right okay i can't believe i got this headline um all right so new jersey yes this is a quick one this is local new jersey news um for all our jersey listeners for everyone that knows i would argue it's universal i would argue everyone should agree everyone should should like this yeah yeah okay what's the headline okay so i don't live in new jersey

to be clear however i do go to a gym in new jersey here because we have one in the office uh new jersey just made it a law that all gyms in the state are required to have an online cancellation option now yes yes yes now this is actually extremely important um because in the united states at least i don't know in what if this is like a law in other countries but at least in the united states there are a lot of very cheap gyms that are like 10 to 15 a month they have a lot of random hidden fees like once a year you have to pay 60 for some reason and blah blah blah anyway you can sign up online in like two seconds and they don't like but they don't let you uh stop your membership online you not only have to be in the gym but you also have to in many cases you have to like write a letter as to why you need

to cancel and like send it by parcel mail to the headquarters at which case they could just say like we didn't even get it small story when i lived in san francisco the day i was moving out of san francisco leaving got rid of my apartment i went to my gym to cancel and they were like oh like the manager has to be here and he's not in today and i was like but i'm moving and they're like yeah what's absurd and so i ended up going back and forth with them for like four hours until they like made an exception but it's like a horrible experience. So the fact that the New Jersey state government issued this in one state is great. I really wish Biden would go after this if he's going to go after Ticketmaster. But, you know, just throwing it out there. Another big Jersey W served up for another checkbox for the greatest state in the union. Wait, but didn't the same guy say that Central Jersey doesn't exist? No, no.

He put into law that Central Jersey does exist. Oh. Into law? Maybe not law, but they changed some new maps that they were making. He tweeted about it. He tweeted about it.

Sick. If you tweet about it, it's official, baby. Yeah, that's all you need. This needs to be the case all over the United States. Everyone should be able to cancel their gym membership online.

Yeah. 100%. The same, actually, I was going to say the case all over the United States. Everyone should be able to cancel their gym membership online. Yeah. 100%. The same, actually, I was going to say the same amount of ease of use as unsubscribing from an email newsletter, but it should be even easier. That is a pain sometimes, too. If you just don't click five of them, it should just unsubscribe you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

David, can you shake that hat for me? Oh, thank you. Wow. Does it affect at all which one you pick? I don't know. Maybe. Pixel 8 Mint and feature drops oh that's not the headline wait bring it they're minting a pixel 8 nft yeah that's called an airdrop not a feature job oh my god that just reminded me of the salonophone 2 i'm not gonna do that though i'll be Phone 2? You didn't hear about this?

No. Oh, my God. No, please, no. Dude, I'm getting tagged on the regular for pre-orders for the Solana Saga Phone 2. No way. But does it come with Bonk? I bet. I bet it has lots of crypto-related benefits to those who are in those ecosystems. I'm sure.

I don't know anything about the physical phone, by the way. Nobody has tagged a single piece of information about the phone. The camera, is it better? Who knows. The battery, is it bigger? Nobody's mentioned that to me, but they are quick to mention that it has 40,000 pre-orders, and prices are crazy.

You can pre-order now, and it ships in 2025. And it's not clear that it's a phone. it says solana chapter two okay but if you go down to the faq question number four is is chapter two a phone and they don't explicitly say yes oh my god can you guys stop sending this to me please sounds like you're gonna get sent a lot more it says how much will this product cost? Become a top referrer? Oh my god. This is why they're all sides. The product will further... Oh, it's definitely going to be an AI thing.

Rabbit R2. It's definitely going to be... Rabbit's already selling to Solana. It says, this product will further what we set out to do with Solana Saga, which was to make crypto products and services more accessible to the public by putting Web3 securely in your hands. It doesn't say it's a phone. I bet this is definitely a handheld AI device.

It is a non-refundable deposit. I'm going to get the Mint Pixel. Non-refundable $450. I'm going to get the Mint Pixel. I'd much rather talk about the Mint Pixel. Is that already announced? This is at the bottom of their website. Is my deposit refundable?

No, the Mint Pixel. It is announced. Yes. Really? Yes, the day before this goes. Is my deposit refundable? No. The Mint Pixel. It was announced. Yes. Really? Yes. Okay. The day before this goes live. Got it.

Be right back. Okay. All right, I'm back. I bring with me a phone. Here it is. So hot. Look at that color. It looks great.

This is the Minty. This is the Mint colored Pixel 8. 8 Pro, actually. We've seen this before, like mid-cycle refresh, new colors of phones. This is the most OnePlus thing Google has ever done. OnePlus would always, three months after the launch of the phone, drop

a new color just to recreate hype for it. And it's been three months. At least it's not a T, like a Pixel 8T. It's an 8 Pro with a new color. It feels so nice. Same Pixel we know and love, and there is a new feature drop associated with it,

so there's a couple new things that Pixel is getting. But this is a new color. I think it looks kind of like a light seafoam green type of thing. Very toothpaste-y. That feature drop was basically everything that was announced at Samsung Unpacked. Yeah. You want to hear the list? Yeah. Well, actually, there's one new thing. Yeah is so yes circle to search yep is coming to the pixel

8 and 8 pro which is kind of the same thing i mean you can picture it already you hold the gesture bar or the home button at the bottom and then you can circle or tap whatever's on your screen i love this feature i'm very happy it's coming to the Pixel. The other thing is take your temperature with the Pixel 8 Pro. FDA approved. We've all been waiting for it. You remember this feature? There's a thermometer app on the Pixel 8 Pro. Just the 8 Pro.

And it's been able to measure all kinds of things. Metals, fabrics. For no reason. Whatever else you measure. Liquids, I guess. And they're adding humans to the list so i'm guessing it got fda approved whatever they're finally able to say that it can measure your skin temperature around your forehead i don't even know what temperature i should be getting when i measure

my forehead that's well no if you're doing it your internal temperature is supposed to be 90 your core temperature yeah so when you put But when you do a laser forehead temperature, it still comes out as that, correct? I don't know. Like when you're getting at the doctor's office? I never get. It's never super accurate, and also everyone's temperature is slightly different.

That's also true. Yeah, but it still should be around that 98 degrees, right? I've never gotten an external measurement that high my question is like we we kind of have determined that a lot of even smart watches are like very bad at actually reading your temperature yeah so wasn't it the only the thing that they're mostly good for for like telling if you're sick or like the uh the like cycle maintenance stuff is like the delta between your temperatures and if there's a extreme off so the problem is like you're not going to be taking your temperature with the pixel like every day right

so like how are you going to know you won't really you'll just have to remember what you usually get and there's probably not like google keep integration to keep a tab on how many times you've measured yourself yeah it's probably not going to be that useful. I think we should test to see the update to see how much it's gotten and if it's accurate. And we could test it against a real temperature. It's kind of like when we did the pedometer short, we could do pixel versus real thermometer or something like that. Laser thermometer, core thermometer. I'll try it.

Pixel thermometer. I got to buy like a regular mercury thermometer. Yeah. It does say... I think I have one in my back you have a mercury thermometer? I didn't want to take a tempi still says a forehead infrared thermometer should still be between 97 and 99 okay

I guess I just have a cool forehead they are less accurate or you just have no blood flow the outside of your body the surface of your body like that the surface of your body is more likely to change depending on your environment than the inside of your body yeah so everyone knows someone with cold feet you'd never get 98.6 measuring cold feet yeah yeah well that's the headline mint minty pixel i like minty pixel wait what else is in the feature thermometer oh yeah there's two other ones, I think.

There's two others. You want to hear the other two? Yeah. Photomoji. Photomoji allows you to transform your favorite photos into reactions with the help of on-device Google AI. That's epic. Bad naming, though. Photomoji makes it sound like it's going to do, like, an emoji or stuff like that.

But I do like it. Is this something you can use like in messages, Google messages? I imagine that's the primary. Like reactions or emoji? I think it's going to be an emoji that moves in the message. It moves? Yeah.

This is stickers. Stickers, which every phone seems to make a big deal about dropping as a feature and I never use them. So I'm not even one. Samsung just did that too.

Yeah, Samsung just did. And Apple's already done it. Message i i my okay so uh my good friend omar shout out omar if you're listening to this is a uh he he's a visual artist he mostly works with uh he does a lot of different things but he has a lot with pencil and paper and he was showing me that for his work he uses the sticker function um to uh skate function to scan his sketches because he can get them on a transparent background effectively. And then because it saves to a cloud bank in the messages, he does it on his phone when he's on the subway sketching. And then he opens his iPad and can take all of his new stickers straight to Procreate to collage them. And I was like, like cool and the cutouts

are really good because it's just pencil on paper i can get the edges perfectly yeah and it tends to be a pretty good cutout that is like the perfect exact use case i would expect to see in an apple commercial i'd be like i know i had no idea that was a thing people did but that's perfect for that i know it's all and it syncs across devices it's yeah just like using final cut on the ipad on the train yeah people totally do for sure yeah anyway the last thing is magic compose powered by google's generative ai technology magic compose craft stylized suggested responses with the context of your messages so it'll write texts back to your friends so this is the same as the gmail auto reply i mean text messages already have auto reply in them this one will have the context of the whole

conversation maybe how you talk already so instead of i'm on my way it's see you in a minute big dog something i don't know i mean i would just like it to just say like yes or okay instead of the like sure thumbs up that like everyone i accidentally click on when like I'm trying to respond. Yeah, we'll try it all. Well, let's try it all. I'm excited. Let's take a break. We got a bunch more stuff in the hat.

I'm looking at it over there. It's still teeming with exciting headlines. So we'll get back to headlines in a hat. But before we take a break, trivia. Trivia in a Hat. But before we take a break, trivia. Trivia in a hat. In a hat. Trivia in a hat. It's like a cat in a hat, like a remix.

First question. USB OTG. Yeah. The OTG stands for what? That's right. I've never even heard of USB OTG before. When I plug my phone in. What?'ve never even heard of USB OTG before. When I plug my phone in. What? You've definitely heard of USB OTG.

I know that, but I don't know that. You know what I mean? Yeah. I know that standard, but I don't actually know the answer. I can picture exactly where it shows up on my phone. I'm just trying to remember what it stands for. Adam would like it to stand for over the garden

wall. I wish. Oh oh man if every usb device had an over the garden wall like option can i propose something yes over this is not this is not multiple choice right ring not multiple near the rat hole otg is three letters it is can we get one point no per letter. Available. And you have to get all three of them right. No. Several. One or two. If I get one of the letters right, I'd be happy to get a point. No.

Okay. All right. Well, I tried. I tried. We'll be right back. All right. Hamburglar, why are you calling? Rubble, rubble.

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welcome back we're taking it back now y'all two hops this time this time it's andrew's turn to pick oh wait twice in a row oh it's like a snake draft wait is it your turn oh it is your turn snake draft you go one two three three two one Oh, it is your turn. Snake draft. You go one, two, three, three, two, one. Sure, let's do that. Or what if Adam and Ellis want to pull one out? Do you want to pull one out? I'm cool. Okay.

All right. Snake draft it is. Snake draft. Disney AR VR walking floor. Oh, I saw this. Yeah. That's not quite the headline. And maybe as a headline, that's like our tech version of the headline.

But there's a video from the Disney Imagineering... Department. Department. Thank you. I don't know what that's actually called. And they created this like really cool floor. What's holodeck? Holodeck floor.

Holodeck floor. And like, I'm sure you've all seen where VR... Can we all agree that the most... The thing that breaks immersion the most in VR games is walking? Okay. I have, I can see where you're going with this. I know exactly what I want to say. Go ahead.

Say now or you want me to keep going? I can, I feel like I know where you're going. Okay. So like the old, the old walking things that I've seen, and maybe there's some other ones, but it's kind of like you're, you either need to teleport or you need to use your controller exactly then there was the one yeah where you're kind of like it's called like omni floor is it yeah it's basically a like dome floor and you have like slippery things on your shoes and you're like in a thing and you're walking it like pulls you back into the middle this is like a bunch of tiles that somehow they couldn't

yeah they like change direction by how you're walking and then you are walking without going anywhere yeah and it can like kind of move you around it's for a bunch of other things as well yeah um but it looks like potentially one of the coolest ways to walk in vr it's kind of a cool video they have like there's this guy that works for disney research that's been working there for a very long time and he's just an inventor what's his name lanny smootch that's a great name yeah um he plays saxophone he also invented that realistic lightsaber that disney has been touting the verge just did an article on that yeah today i think yeah it's like a it's like a telescoping lightsaber that looks very realistic comes out slowly and stuff uh but this hollow floor

looks very interesting yeah yeah so i have two different size complaints not complaints just question marks about it okay okay one is you remember you're talking about the thing where you're like kind of there's something around your waist and you can walk or run yeah it feels like in a game if all you can do is walk there's got to be some point in the game where you want to run or go a little faster and i just wonder what happens on the surface i don't really know they had some cool uh some really cool interesting things where he's like on a chair sliding around there's like all kinds of other things i think that's really cool and the tech is very impressive but the other thing about vr moving around, which makes some of these movement mechanics so difficult,

is you also want to sync the environment movement with your actual inner ear feeling of movement. So the reason why teleport works so well is because you just point at a spot on the ground and you snap there. And at no point do you feel the environment moving while you're not actually moving right because the second you do that and you see movement but you don't feel movement you're it just that's how like the nauseating feeling happens and with this it's like super cool that you're actually walking and you'll see movement walking in the environment but your inner ear will still not feel walking because you're not moving so but you are forward is that if you're running on a treadmill that you don't get like ill well that's because you're not moving. So the- But you are kind of. Is that? If you're running on a treadmill, you don't get like ill?

Well, that's because you can see that you're not moving. So you can see that you're not moving on a treadmill and your legs are fine, but you can feel that you're not moving and you can see it so it matches. In the VR headset, you're walking and you can feel that you're not moving in your inner ear, but you see that you are moving.

So you still will feel- But how is this different from like the dome thing where you're like running because in vr you're still moving that will also be extremely nauseating have you used that no but i guarantee you'll feel the same difference really yeah i've used it before in that dome thing and it was not pleasant i think that's just because the dome thing wasn't good that's also true because it was at like ces or something that's the fundamental reason why it feels like motion sickness. Like in the games in VR where you're sitting in a chair,

but you're moving through an environment, that also tweaks your balance because you see that you're moving, but you feel that you're not. That's why it gives you motion sickness. So this doesn't change that, but it's still cool that you are like moving your legs, which I think is awesome we're gonna have to put it to the test and go to disney and yeah this might be a good reason why a lot of

ar games are more fun to move around than vr games can we just change our whole studio floor to this so i don't have to walk it can just slide me across no matter how hard you run you don't go anywhere no or the opposite it can also just send you places like he's using it as different examples too of like i could see them using this in a show or something like one guy's pretending to move an apple box around the floor and it's moving the apple box around the floor i'm still don't know what these tiles are exactly yeah they don't really explain it at all it's kind of wild like it kind of like slope in different directions and And in this, two people can be moving in opposite directions, which is wild. I have seen like this omnidirectional treadmill before that it detects like the direction that you're walking and it moves you the opposite direction and it can go every way.

And that sort of works the same way. So this tile based thing seems kind of weird maybe it's just because it's more modular it looks like if you look really closely it's like individual spinning discs yeah i was gonna say it's like i'm running on a log they like rotate also yeah so they all spin in certain directions that you feel the motion or it pushes you in a certain emotion i'm interested also like how hard you like how fast you can walk or if there's a certain like i'm now walking in the video they're all walking really yeah it's a very specific walk but it's cool though i wanted to i hope they keep working on it because i do feel

like that would be cool for it to like work really well on a large floor that'd be kind of sick yeah i think the reason a lot of people are saying this is like the next step towards the holodeck which for people that don't know in star trek there's like a room you can go in that that's what everyone basically like it's it uses ar but like projections and also like everything basically just turns into the simulation of what you want it to be and there's whole plot lines of like don't get too lost in the holodeck you have to remember that it's fake and it's not real life because people can get lost in there forever and they'll have the perfect world and they don't want to go back to reality it's a very early conception of like don't get lost in

vr your your brain will rot away and that real life is a little more sad than the perfect vr world but you have to deal with it but what if we're already in the vr world possible that's a simulation theory but but a lot of people are saying this is like the next step in it because theoretically if you had like a lightweight like ar vr headset and you could go into a room that had all these tiles around it and you could walk around like you could be on a mountain field you could be whatever you could be walking around and you just have no idea so just like simulating anything for your brain which is got it always fun yeah simulation i think this would be cool i'm excited for when vr despite your your thing you're talking about can walk i'm convinced it's going to be more like what you said andrew i think the this is going to get used mostly in

like shows and yeah he wasn't talking about just ar vr i threw it in here because i do think that's cool and we're talking about ar and vr a lot and i guess mostly vr less ar yeah um but it stinks when there's a really cool vr game and then the walking just completely takes you yeah you know what i think this is going to be great for all right no offense i love your dog adam but picture this it's like out your dog 15 degrees outside you don't want to take your dog for a walk that sucks slap these goggles on your dumb dog throw them on this thing they can have the best walk of their life or you remember have you seen the vans these there's these like vans that come around to people's house and they have like a dog treadmill in it oh yeah and they put them on like a collar i love this and they just sprint it's crazy how fast they're gonna pay so much money it's awesome i have to do the thing that they signed up to do

okay niche next headline that i just picked out of the hat i didn't shake it i'm sorry um pixel nine renders are already leaking. That was fast. I want to note that it is January. I also want to note that we're not surprised. Only nine months away. You could have an entire child in the time that it's going to be before this product is supposed to come out. So if you want to have a baby at the same time the Pixel 9 is launching, do it right now.

So there are renders of the Pixel 9 Pro. How do we feel about this? Allegedly. Allegedly. Alleged renders by OnLynx and MySmartPrice, as usual, as is tradition around here. I don't know what year it is because the same thing happens every year. But they are very weird looking. It's like the trend now is to make the front and the sides of everything look exactly like an iPhone. Flat.

Flat front, flat sides, metal rails. But the camera bump, once again, looks even weirder than last year. It is different because it's not sloped into the rails according to this that's my least favorite thing is a camera bump yeah i weirdly kind of dig it it's a static island part of what makes the pixels visor feel intentional yeah and even they did it i think even better in previous pixels but it's literally because it feels like it's part of the... Well, in the Pixel 6, it was two different components, which is what made it look like something they just went to Shedger and slapped together, yeah.

But when they got it all as one piece, it looks like a good design. It looks like this is the way it was supposed to be. One single piece of aluminum. Yeah. And it's one big frame, and I like that. And I feel like this is backwards this new render if you're on the video version you can see this new render it

looks like again it's back to something bolted onto the back of a flat phone yeah which is i think that's why i don't like for audio listeners if you've ever seen a xiaomi mi band uh the mi band is like this little module that gets put in this little rubber band that you put around your wrist. It looks like the display of a Xiaomi Mi Band that's just bolted to the back of a phone. Maybe we should describe it with something...

It looks like Among Us. It looks like Among Us. That's it. That's the end of the story. The last one was like a RoboCop Among Us collab. This one, they've just committed to the bit. Yeah, it does have a giant camera. They're definitely still going for the visor vibe of it stretching

across the whole back of the screen, but just imagine it's in an oval instead of rolling over onto the side rails. Big pill. Yeah. But like very cut and dry. It's not rolling into the back it is a very hard 90 degree angle from the camera bump the amount of dust that's going to collect around this ring is crazy they were like we don't have enough dust on the top and the bottom

let's put it on the sides too crazy yeah so otherwise it's an iphone um whole punch cut out why is 2024 the year where everyone is making the i like this samsung flat rails rule i'm happy they do i agree like i like the feeling of flat rails it's just it's kind of weird that they're all so similar i guess i think it's less weird that like they are similar to the apple thing and just weird that samsung and google seems to be doing this in the same year. Yeah. Like people like phones are making the switch all at the same time.

Yeah. Which feels weird. And it's not just them. It's other manufacturers too. Are there as well? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I think that the Pixel 8 Pro was the best looking Pixel since the Pixel 6 since they big redesign.

Like by far. It looks the most like put together and like single pieced. I'm going a little bit back against the rails. I think pixel six. I said since pixel six. Since the new. Oh, okay, so the new reason. Okay, sorry, sorry.

I think eight by far looks the best. Yeah. But I have a thing for the 6 visor, even though it was clearly not as well integrated as the current one. Yeah. I think it's because of the glass instead of metal. Oh, because the whole thing is glass. It doesn't have the cutouts inside of the glass.

I think that's why I liked it. Actually, this, though, kind of almost feels that vibe because all the cameras are in one singular piece of glass where the 7 Pro is two openings, right? It's like an oval and a circle. So this is like one large oval, and then you just have the flash and IR sensor on the... Like the...

What is that? The thermometer. The thermometer? So is this still the thermometer in this? Possibly. Nice. Possibly. Google Pixel 9 Pro Thermometer confirmed.

Well, I don't know if that's a thermometer. Heard it here first. We don't know if that's heard it here first we don't know if that's it could be anything it could be laser autofocus this is also be whatever we want away very much oh don't worry it'll be on sale in like two two weeks you like find it in a best buy somewhere flat rails flat screen anyway this is super early uh we will confirm over the next nine months whether or not this is correct and get back to you on that. I'm way more excited for Tensor to get better than for the design of the phone. That's going to take two more generations before they switch to TSMC.

Alright, let's get to our second to last headline. Top of the snake draft. Could be anything. Marques just turned around and looked directly at me while pulling out this thing and it was mildly threatening. It says marquez just turned around and looked directly at me while pulling out this thing and it was mildly threatening it says s24 uploads hdr photos oh no what do you mean oh no okay oh i didn't put that have you ever been on instagram i have and then your eyes get

burned to smithereens because somebody uploaded a iphone video that has hdr on it photos you're just scrolling late at night you're under your covers your minimum brightness and then bam that's exactly how it feels the difference is exactly how it feels to your eyes yeah that's that's a thing so currently uh before the s24, there was no HDR photo support on Instagram, only HDR video, and that was really only enabled through iPhones, I believe. But now, with Pixel Ultra HDR, and

because Pixel Ultra HDR is like a standard and Samsung's like kind of making it's like based on the standard, these are basically Ultra HDR photos, and now Instagram's supporting it. So now you can be ambushed by photos while you're in low brightness mode

this is a hot take possibly but like I don't think it's a good experience to be ambiently scrolling at one brightness and then not being able to control when everything just gets suddenly brighter. It is weird and I agree and I think we probably need to have some sort of way

for the phone to tell. If you're in low brightness mode, don't show me the huge dynamic range of this HDR photo. Show me an SDR version. I think it should, by default, show SDR, and then there should be a view HDR button. Why have I never experienced that? That no one would ever press.dr button why have i never experienced whatever

press good but but you've never you've never experienced this no like you've never been in like super dim lighting in on your phone and then gotten to a video that just blasts the brightness i don't think but it's not even it's not even necessarily blasting the brightness so so hdr like ultra hdr on pixel it's just adding an additional tone map to the jpeg to the the jpeg yeah um because jpegs usually get rid of a lot of the luminance data so or sorry the chrominance data and then they add this like tone map on top so it's the same jpeg but with but with a luminance map just like slapped on top and so so some parts of it are super bright the highlights and stuff are just way brighter than usual okay

if you okay look i guess i've just never had like a or maybe i just don't scroll in the dark this is an hdr video can you see how like the rest of the ui looks just kind of like grayed out and darker yeah i can see it actually the ui of like grayed out and darker yeah i can see it actually the ui is not grayed out and darker but the video is just way brighter okay they're a small team okay you gotta give up instagram's leaner than you think this is their fault this is google's fault this is this is apple's fault i just for some reason they've just decided that ultra hdr is something that people want. Even Adobe is, uh,

you can now edit ultra HDR photos in Lightroom and Photoshop. And it's like, I don't want to have to edit an image for SDR and HDR. Like it's going to double my, my editing time if I have to make sure that it looks good in both modes. Yeah. And there was nothing wrong with SDR in the first place. But HDR is better.

It's sometimes, this is the r is better it's sometimes this is actually a lot of this talk is the same reason why i don't we don't upload hdr videos to youtube is because it only looks good if the person watching it is ready for hdr is watching high brightness hdr content has an hdr monitor and like watches it in HDR. Yeah. In a lot of the other situations, that file will look worse. Yeah. If they don't have the right monitor or if they aren't in an HDR ready environment or if they're in a dim environment, whatever, just looks worse. Yeah.

So I just don't bother with it yet. I try to look, make really good looking SDR content that is more compatible everywhere. And I was just saying the same thing. In your gallery, you can be swiping through a bunch of SDR content and then swipe over to an HDR video and the screen just goes, bam! Here we are, HDR again. That experience of going back and forth,

we kind of just have to get to a point where HDR is everything all the time. But it won't be for so long. But if we're not there, it's always going to be back and forth, and that's tough. Yeah, it's like dedicated cameras are not going to there's a there's a button now in lightroom and photoshop that transforms sdr photos into hdr photos um but i don't like it

that seems so yeah it's it's a processing thing it can just it just like takes the highlight details and like brightens them up and adds a tone map on top but i don't i don't know i don't know personally i'm just like i don't want to edit for two different types of displays all the time so i'm a little old school sdr guy i guess yeah yeah yeah with the times i personally i don't know i think these companies are just like we have way brighter oled displays now we should take advantage of them and develop new technology that can take advantage of it. But I'm like, it's fine. It feels buzzword-y. Like, it's like a feature thing at this point.

What are we going to do with all these nits? Yeah. We've got all these extra nits. What are we going to do with these? Well, now they know. Instagram at HDR photos. Yeah. So only on Galaxy right now?

Is that true? Yeah. Yeah. Well, only uploaded from Galaxy, but they will assault your eyes everywhere. Nice. I love it. You all get to reap the benefits. I love it.

All right. We should take a quick break. We've got another headline in the hat. But before we get to that headline and the break, trivia. Trivia. All right. So the world of storage mediums is a world full of acronyms we're familiar with the hits we know ram oh yeah we do random access memories we know that was an album and an

it is well played it's a good we. We know ROM. Random. Nope. But. What is ROM? Read only memory. That's what it is. What is the acronym for a storage that can be written a single time by a user and cannot be rewritten ever again? Oh, pen and paper. A Scantron is an example of this kind of memory, actually.

I think I know this. Perhaps you do. There's an acronym. There is an acronym. There kind of memory, actually. I think I know this. Perhaps you do. Just by guessing. There's an acronym. There is an acronym. There's an acronym for everything. Naturally. There's an acronym for David. Like, best resolution audio video integrated architecture. Yikes. Thanks, Sony. Oh, Sony.

Alright. Wow, you know what I love about this trivia question? How it just raised the energy in the room so high we all started thinking just like the people in our car yeah acronyms are a lot of thinking i don't know this is a this is a good one somebody everyone washing the dishes just like stopped washing wait here's a question do we need to know just the acronym or do we need to know what it stands for uh i was looking for the acronym, but why don't we throw a bonus point in there? Bonus point?

No, I'm just more... Okay. Can we know how many letters the acronym is? So some of us can guess. Maybe if some of the people here don't know what it is, they can just guess. I think that's fair. It's clear no one knows what it is.

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Snake Draft. I was the last one to go, but that means I go again because it's the Snake Draft. Top of the order. Oh, you're right. Because it's like a snake. That was bad. Okay. All right, we got two headlines left. This one.

Oh. This one says Rolls says rolls royce oh we're being pretty creative with the term a headline but we're just writing down things we like on a piece of paper no we review the rolls royce the electric rolls royce and that thing is insane can we all go around and say our favorite part about it yes okay perfect can i start wait let's just let me just start with the fundamentals of what it is okay so it's the rolls royce specter uh if you haven't heard of the rolls royce specter picture a rolls royce a gigantic two-door coupe with a back seat it is fully electric it gets 260 miles of range it's got

about 550 horsepower and 600 pound feet of torque. It has all of the Rolls Royce stuff, the stars in the ceiling, the umbrella in the door, and it's $400,000. Go. You said gigantic coupe? Yes. That is, people need to understand that because- It's a boat.

Yes, it is a coupe, but that thing is humongous. It's also really weird and awkward because you the doors open backwards suicide doors yeah they're suicide doors they open like and then you have to like climb into the back if you're in the back seat but it's a full-size back seat it's big so it's weird it's like it's like usually those back seats are very cramped but it's not it's for context yeah the rivian r1t is 217 inches long that is a pickup truck with a four-foot bed yeah the rolls royce specter is 216 inches long so it's basically the same size as a pickup truck jesus from front to back okay wow so now that the fundamentals are out of the way it's electric

it's a luxury sedan coupe sorry what did you like about it i liked that we went to wawa in it same you can put the photo in there adam um that was about it that was all you liked okay okay there were leds purple it was purple that was cool in on the interior there is these like little twinkling leds that are over it, even though that probably cost them like 15 cents. It was still very pretty. I hear it's pretty pricey. The LEDs? Yeah, the ceiling.

I think everything in that car is pretty pricey. I mean, they're nice. Yeah. They're nice. They were high refresh rate LEDs, too, because they didn't flicker when you took it out. They didn't flicker with video, which is important. The details. Are they LEDs or are they...

Is this a dumb question? Are they fiber optics? I don't think they were that's an interesting point but a fire optic would still have an led in the back what i thought they could have been is sometimes people led folk nowadays will put a phosphor layer on the inside of the bulb so that the elect or the photons flying off the LED excite this phosphor layer and produce a more natural glow. I don't know if they did that. I don't think they did that. I don't think they did either.

But the thought crossed my brain. That's great. I think the heating of the seats was better than the heating of any other seat that I have heated before. Nice. Yeah. That's actually a really good feature for a luxury vehicle. It felt nice yeah okay what

did you like what'd you like about it i don't know if the carpet is the correct term for it yo it's like two inch thick plush like i felt so bad getting in the from the snow yeah there's snow and salt and i was like you feel the same way after hearing lambbs wool it was lambs i knew it i was like this feels like some animal kind of fur yeah yeah i feel worse about it but it was so soft made no sense of being the place where i put my feet after walking in the snow although i'm sure they weren't happy that we were all walking in the snow and then going into But yeah, it was way too plush to just be the car's flooring. It was pretty solid. Front and back

had that carpet. Yeah. So you like the lambswool. What did you like, Marques? So you used the word soft to describe that carpet. I use the word soft

to describe everything about that car. Okay. The suspension was very soft. The steering was very soft. But most interestingly, the throttle response and braking are very very gradual and soft so in uh in your model 3 if you stamp the accelerator pedal

it'll throw your head back yeah and you'll get like a jolt forward if you stamp the accelerator pedal in this car it will flow forward it will not throw your head back and the regenerative braking which is one pedal braking as well when you let your foot off the the accelerator and it starts to slow down it does this really smooth that sounds awesome smooth stop to zero yeah that would be nice i didn't know when we were driving on it the new jersey roads um they should you know address that after the gym stuff but the new jersey roads are notoriously pothole-y and very bumpy. It did kind of feel like we were just drifting.

On 23-inch wheels, it made you feel like you're on a cloud. I don't know the difference, but I would say. It's very impressive. When you said it slows up and slows down, you said punch the accelerator, won't shoot you forward. I thought you were going to be like, slam the brakes. Nice, smooth. Nice, smooth, right into the back of that truck in traffic.

No, you can brake hard. You can brake hard. But I like the regenerative braking was super smooth. It's also the quietest car. I think more regenerative braking should be smooth. Like I'm still very surprised when like you even have the opportunity to let go and just slam forward if you're not yeah i mean there's levels of smooth but this one was extremely especially in the last couple of miles an hour like you know how you'll get to zero and sort of like jolt back

yeah this one never did that it would just slow down to zero and you just that's nice arrive i love one pedal driving because your muscle memory like eventually knows how far you need to just let off the accelerator before you'll just like stop right at the stoplight. It's a skill. It's so fun to just guess every time and you're always correct. Yeah. It's great. It's fire. Yeah.

You guys rode in it. I liked that the vents for the air conditioning were made out of either like a chrome plated brass or maybe some sort of like polished tin but it's this nice semi-heavy metal that when you flick it goes that's true like a champagne sound felt fancy felt really fancy really nice my favorite thing and i couldn't figure out if i was going crazy or not until i got back and googled the hell out of it and i'm not going crazy the stars on the roof occasionally they have a shooting star yes what the whole time we were driving in it i was just staring at it like what i know i saw a shooting star i know and then i googled it and apparently it's a shooting star yeah i didn't know that adam and i went we were helping miles shoot something

in it and at one point adam just goes while we were still parked was that a shooting star and we were like what and he's like i can't I can't prove if that was real or not. It's like when you see a meteor in real life and you're like. Trust me. It happened. Well, I didn't know that. That's awesome. Did you guys know you can get stars on the doors as well?

There was stars on the doors in that one. There was only $13,000 extra to get them there. How good is that? I mean, you're losing money if you don't get stars on the doors. How much was the paint 10 grand the paint was also 13 grand oh my god sorry just the purple part of the paint the satin silver in the middle was 10 grand more on top so the purple and the satin together was 23 grand more or less yeah you could get a hyundai elantra for that price marquez uh you know that's probably the second time you were

powered by a rolls royce power plant in the past few weeks. What do you mean? Because Rolls-Royce also makes the Trent engine option on the Boeing 777 that you often find yourself going to the West Coast on. That's a fantastic point, but I will push back. The Rolls-Royce Spectre is

actually powered by essentially the BMW i7's electric power train. So Rolls-Royce makes engines well actually the BMW i7's powertrain is powered by the Model T no no but actually though it's a it's the i7 has a pretty solid size battery and the dual motor setup and all but the Rolls-Royce is just putting a totally different chassis and body and suspension on top of that and it's very Rolls-Royce and very quiet and luxury. And it's got this decoupled anti-roll bar

tech where like one wheel at a time goes through potholes and you never feel anything. And it's awesome. But it's an i7. It only weighs 6,500 pounds. Until this car has the CES Hyundai Ioniq 5 sideways crab tires, I don't want it all right

that's but when and when i 400 000 yeah but when it does yeah yeah which i don't yeah sorry it was 400 grand starting we had like about 120 grand of options so it was like 500 you had three of my foresters as options we had had an I7 of options. I got here a little late that day, and there was only one spot left right next to the Rolls Royce, and I had to reverse into it. That was terrifying. Adam just scraped the concrete wall on the other side

to make sure he didn't hit the... That's hilarious. Okay. We have one more headline, don't we? We have one more headline in the one more hat. I'm also pretty sure it's a headline oh it's uh it's a mini headline wait is it mine or is yours it's yours it's yours because it's just not a headline it's just a thing we want to talk about yes it has the one plus 12 and 12 r so some may know that the one plus 12 slash 12 r just launched

very recently that's it right there there it is i've seen this is the 12 that the OnePlus 12 slash 12R just launched very recently. That's it right there. There it is. I've seen this before. That's the 12? Yep. That's not the 11? Yeah. Just checking.

Yeah. No, we've been testing. So I've had this phone for a week longer than I've had the S24 Ultra, and we've also had the Find X7 Ultra, and I just haven't gotten enough time to test all of them. But I wanted to at least mention this phone and talk about it briefly. Really good phone. And I think a lot of people will like it.

When I reviewed the OnePlus 11, a lot of my... What's the word? Sentiment? Yes. You basically said it. I couldn't remember the second letter. A lot of the sentiment was very much like one plus is back they kind of strayed a little bit they got rid of the alert

slider the software went kind of sideways the hassleblad thing was gone they brought it all back and so one plus 11 was a solid comeback and a good phone for them this is very much an upgraded with a lot of 2024 special version of that phone yeah it's got a better telephoto it's got the snapdragon 80 gen 3 and it's got a better telephoto. It's got the Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 and it's got that super bright, like 25, 2600 nits OLED that we're seeing so often. Right. So those things like really bring it into 2024 and it's still got all the rest of the stuff. It's still got the software, the alert slider, the Hasselblad camera, all that good stuff that you expect from the OnePlus phone. Yeah. So it's a really good phone. I haven't made a whole review

of it because that's kind of where my observations end and it didn't feel like it was a whole bunch. I have a lot to say about a different phone we're reviewing right now, so that'll be a video. But I wanted to bring this out and at least have that in the hat because OnePlus 12 is a good phone. It is $800, which is a pretty good price for a phone like that. They did sort of, they are still sort of using the Oppo UX UI, which I don't love. They merged like Oxygen OS to be,

what was the other one called? Color OS. Color OS. So they merged them together. They originally just changed it to be called Color OS. A lot of people got upset. And then what they kind of ended up doing was just on OnePlus phones, calling it Oxygen OS,

but not changing the software at all. It's just Color OS. So it's just Color OS. Is that just gaslighting? Yes. I think they were like, our community will shut up if we just call it Oxygen OS again. Nice. changing the software at all it's just color so it's just color just gaslighting yeah okay i think they were like our community will shut up if we just call it oxygen os again nice which if you remember oxygen os only exists because of the cyanogen debacle which you should go watch our

episode on cyanogen mon and the death of the android rom uh your calendar but uh yeah so i don't know someone on twitter put up a comparison between oxygen os and the color os that's on it because they flashed an old oxygen os rom onto it and i just feel like old oneplus oxygen os had a much more cohesive like brand identity a lot of the app and i know that at the end of the day a lot of this literally comes down to the app icons and like the way that the overlay of the quick settings menu looks and you know it's not that big of a deal the quick set the quick settings menu is a big thing like i want you to sorry yeah i want to interrupt no i want you to feel the haptics hold this phone and hit that clear button

and just feel the haptics it's like good or bad i don't use that i don't use any haptics wait a minute did you it's like a oh i thought you were listening to dylan swift sorry no it's like a triple tap yeah it was it like can i how do i yeah i'll load up another notification oh sorry it felt like it like shook up the phone yeah little shimmy little shimmy shimmies up the phone it was pretty sick i will say looking at the phone from this angle the one thing i noticed is that it does not look like an iphone it was you said it got all the 2024 new things other than flat edges great point yep it did not flatten the edges um okay here so hit the clear notification button okay

oh right like very precise like i love that yeah i felt it like it felt like it was in three distinct zones like a cat purring honestly you could make asmr out of good haptics on a smartphone that's true we should record them um is it asmr if you're feeling it and not hearing it i'm sure there's another acronym do any of us know what asmr means yes audio sensory something meridian response it's like a feeling you get in your brain yeah it's scratching your brain so the 12r is also coming out that is 500 comes with uh last year's snapdragon 8 gen 2 instead of the Gen 3. So that's a very good price.

Yeah, it's a good deal. You know, so there you go. I wish we got the green one. The green one looks amazing. Green marbly type of thing. I never thought I would live in a world where Marques sees the black version of something and says, I wish we had the green version.

You were very anti-green for a while. I feel like you're warming up to it so it's not the green that's fascinating to me it's the marbly pattern on the one that happens to be green right if there was a marbly pattern on this i'd be into it i like green yeah it's like a camo type of thing i do like the small little details like the ring of the camera module has this little kerning that kind of looks like a lens i like that and it has a little Hasselblad logo next to it there so if you have seen the oppo find x7 ultra it has many many of the same features of the x7 ultra just with a little bit different body style but a lot of things are very similar the extremely bright display all of that kind of stuff yeah yeah optical so that's a thing

yeah so there's the review there you go i was just gonna say marquez i'm putting you on the spot are we getting a review of this thing or no i don't unless i mean we are about to be spoiler pretty busy so is it's it's not likely that we'll be able to get to everything we want to just because of how busy you're about to get but if if you must know, I do think this is a good phone. Like the purpose of the review is for people to be able to decide if it's good or if it's not good. This falls under good phone, which I think is a really good place to just be happy.

That's a good phone. So yeah, OnePlus 12, good looks. Cool. Good luck. Good looks. I was like, wow. Yeah, this is great. Good luck, everybody. Good luck. Good luck. I was like, wow. Yeah, this is great. Good luck, everybody.

Good luck. Okay, that's it for our headlines, which means we can... The hat is empty. The hat is empty and we can take out the whiteboards because it's time for trivia. Trivia, dude. Trivia, dude. So, quick update on the score. Marquez with 21 andrew with 16 david with 20 oh i gotta

keep you on your toes first question who carried the one i was gonna say someone in my studio video commented just carry the one and i was like come on man give me just this they were like carry the one gang and i was like it's a movement i feel like that's just like a secret code that shows that you listen to waveform it's kind of like it's like a thing or the the narwhal eats waffles at breakfast or whatever i thought it was like the narwhal symbol on your head no there was like there was this in the early days of Reddit, there was like a secret phrase that you would say to people in public to see

if they were Redditors. And now you just lie about using Reddit instead. It is incredibly uncool. I think if I remember correctly, it's when does the narwhal bacon? Yes, at midnight. And then everyone around you looks at you and goes like, oof, this is the last time we're invited what did he just say what did you say found the redditor

anyway first question yeah yeah usb otg what does the otg stand for not to be confused with odb legendary rapper david don't look so confused i always look confused i may or may not have pressed the button twice so it's a little longer now don't worry about it press it again no no idea i'm so wrong me too and flip them and read i'm hoping i got the one i can't even think of it i lost my guess okay yours looks like the digital race from the matrix yeah hear me out i wrote down all the ones i think i know usb otg usb is universal serial bus

that's correct does he get a point for you don't get a point for that i'm waiting for the otg stands for something transfer something nope universal is over the bro over the over the what goo over the head over the hedge they claimed 2007 thriller um i put over the gateway no i probably voted over the the is probably not i also wrote over but i didn't write because they've accepted you with over the garden wall that's true it's actually on the go oh i knew that usb on i knew that yeah, I knew that. USB on the go. I knew that. Yeah. I didn't get any.

You guys both got the. Okay. That's true. Do we get a point? No. No. We clarified that. I said no already.

Wouldn't you guys feel stupid if I had given you a point for the? No. I would take it. If it matches the one we're getting. Why? What is USB on the go? Why is it? Okay.

What is USB on the go? Okay. I think it was like the first version of USB that was the first like additional version of USB that was announced after the original USB protocol. Right. That I don't know. But according to Wikipedia, it was a specification first used in late 2001 that allows USB devices such as tablets or smartphones to also act as a host. Yeah. Allowing other USB devices, such as tablets or smartphones, to also act as a host, allowing other USB devices, such as flash drives, digital cameras, and a keyboard to be attached to them. Yes, okay.

This is a big thing because devices at the time, like the iPod and that kind of stuff, they were like, well, these are just portable computers, so why don't we just allow you to store things on portable devices? As opposed to only your computer at home can store your stuff why don't we allow your like ipod or i don't know whatever mp3 player device you have to just like have stuff on it so you can bring it to another computer and be the host of it move it to that yeah okay question number two the world of storage mediums is a world full of acronyms.

We're familiar with the hits ROM and RAM, but what is the acronym for storage that once it is written by a user cannot be rewritten? I got this whoa that's a sharp heel turn from the confidence where you were like I definitely don't got this USB over the hedge let's see what you got all right so mine is s-t-o-i-i-w-b-a-u-c-n-b-r-w

so storage that once it is written oh my god wow andrew we going to discuss that answer later. I wrote WOM. Write only memory. So close. But wrong. I wrote ROM. Read only memory. Also very close. It sounds like you're just saying that in baby talk. I'm going to zoom in on David right now, his face, because I want you

guys to see his reaction when Ellis tells him what it is. Stop. The answer is worm right once read many right that's awesome unfortunate that's that's i'm so glad that we didn't get that right and got that moment wait guys that's better than getting it right i markers down it's like how much of a space there is here for you but it's the wrong space wow there is um right let's read many so there is a running joke in the tech community that is wom right only memory because the idea that you could write unreadable memory sort of like is it even memory

at that point you know well that's a great point no but it is I think there's actually a Wikipedia page that is write only memory and then in parentheses joke nice it's kind of like the over avian carrier yeah it's kind of like the

request for comment for IP over avian carrier yeah okay carrier wow womp that was womp wombo wombo when's the last time we got a trivia question right andrew you you that's what i was asking yeah oh my god well you know i forgot about that it's not about the questions you get right, it's about the learning experience. The friends you make along the way. I want to ask a question. Do I get an bonus point because when I turn

it upside down, it says the same thing? Let's discuss it. No, the space is in a different spot. No. Okay. And with that, we'll wrap up waveform for the week thanks for uh

joining us for uh headlines in a hat if you have any other uh headlines you'd like us to react to drop them in the comments maybe we'll put them in a hat next week

or maybe we'll just be incredibly busy and have other things to talk about we'll see more likely we'll see one or the other

might happen but in either case uh thanks for subscribing and for watching and we'll catch you guys in the next one. Peace.

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