Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Nothing Beats Phone 4b with Ear 3a?

Episode Date: July 10, 2026

This week, Marques, Andrew, and David talk Pickle! Remember those? Then they discuss the new Nothing Phone 4b and the Ear 3a earbuds before getting into the upcoming Samsung and Google events that were just announced. They wrap it up with a little Meta news, a new =video editing tool from Twitter, and app intents in iOS. It's a nerdy one. Enjoy! Links: MKBHD - Nothing Phone 4b Nothing - Ear(3a) Samsung Galaxy Unpacked 2026 Verge - Pixel 11 event Wired - Meta Muse Image model Twitter's New Editing Tool ACCESS podcast with Flighty developer This episode brought to you by: Framer: https://www.framer.com/wave Follow us on socials: Marques: https://twitter.com/MKBHD Andrew: https://www.instagram.com/andrew_manganelli/ David: https://www.instagram.com/davidimel/ Adam: https://www.instagram.com/parmesanpapi17/ Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Waveform: Twitter: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Intro/Outro music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I almost forgot. That's the new intro. Okay, this week, we've got someone in a pickle. Some of nothing products, Samsung and Pixel event teasers. So we'll talk about what we expect from some of those. a new Twitter video editing tool and David apparently wants to rant about something and it's sort of rant yeah

he wants to sort of ran about something it probably just means insane rant he wants to crash out about something it's not insane I'm ready for it it's a deep rabbit hole that I fell down last night life altering okay life altering but first did they even test this

I have a positive one today whoa you mean they did test us really hard yeah this is we've probably talked about it on the pod before But every six months, I think of a song and I can't remember what it is and I don't know any of the words to it. And I always find myself coming back to the Google search a song feature. And it's great every single time. Every six months on the dot, like to the minute?

Not to the minute, but you can look at your quote recent searches. And my last searches were, it's July right now, were December, then May, then January. This is the feature where you can just start singing slash humming a song. Yeah. So if you have the search bar widget and press the microphone button, then press search a song under that. It says you can either play, hum, or sing a song. I basically just mumble a bunch because I'm sure like many other people, you like know a song, but you don't actually know the words, but you can still kind of sing along to it with just a bunch of made-up words. And you can do that into the Google thing.

And it works almost every time. It gives you some options. and there's a good chance that one of those options are the thing that you were looking for. It's good. Yeah. What was the song?

It was actually a street light manifesto song. I was trying to find out this morning. Very interesting. Can you sing it for us? It's hand that thieves. The hands that. I'm starting to think you guys

are like sponsored by them or something. I can't tell. They have no money. They have no money. They have to tour all year to make ends meet. They're New Jersey natives. Yeah, they're New Jersey natives.

Okay, I can remember that. The homies. David's not, but they are. Yeah, but they're spiritually from Norcal. because they're from New Jersey they're not Scott but they're like oh okay let's move on if I had to pick the epitome of Scott I think I was okay we can move on

what I will say you about you with this later I do want to say this is like the textbook Sherlock example where remember we used to have Shazam as a separate app which Apple owns and I used to also so I remember this is probably like almost 15 years ago Shazam was pretty good for identifying certain songs

but Sound Hound was pretty good for identifying certain songs but SoundHound was pretty good at identifying other certain songs. So I was like, I can usually get like a pop song or whatever on the radio from Shazam. But then I was taking like a pre-college class at Carnegie Mellon and like audio engineering. And one of my classmates was like, you got to try Soundhound. And I was like, oh my God, it's so much better than Shazam. So it was like, if you knew you knew, Soundhound is better. And so it was two separate apps competing to be the best identifying songs.

As you mentioned, Soundhound or Shazam gets acquired. It's like literally built into your quick settings on the iPhone now. Yeah. And you literally do not need an app separately on your phone. If you have a Google phone, you can just hold it up in the air, and it'll just tell you what song is playing without you even asking. And, of course, Google Assistant, if you hum a song, can tell you it, which is what SoundHound was better out than Shazam back in the day.

But now, Sherlock's, you don't need any of them. It's built into your phone. Yeah, I'm actually surprised that Siri never got rid of the Shazam branding. Because I don't think younger people know what Shazam is, because that was only a thing for, like, our generation. Yeah. And it still is called Shazam. It's still the Shazam icon in your quick settings.

When you identify a song, it brings up the Shazam app. I feel like, I don't know, at this point, Apple should just... It's like a verb, though. It's a strong enough brand. It's like Kleenex. Like, I'm going to Shazam it. It was. I think it's...

But you... For young, older people... Yeah. For us older people, we know what Shazam it means. Yeah. If you're younger than a certain age, and if I say Shazam it, maybe you don't know what that means. Usually people just say, what's the song?

And then it does it. know. But do they not know that it's, I guess they don't know it's Shazam. I don't think Shazam. I don't know. When they think Shazam, they think the like superhero movie.

The Shack one? That might be older than actual Shazette. No, the new one. The new one. There's a new Shazam. Isn't that what Shazam? Yeah. Damn.

I didn't know that. The kid that turns into the big buff guy. Yeah. I don't know. There's an old comic new movie. Shazam? It was like five years ago. That's definitely a remake then.

That's crazy. Yeah. But yeah. It was apparently good. I think there's a second one too. Anyway. I forgot about, I do use the pixel, like, what's playing thing all the time. Yeah, like, I just like instinctively, yeah, at a rush hour or something, just double-tap

my, like, phone to just see what it is. It's a great feature. It really is. Google had this run for multiple years where every single year when a new pixel came out, they had new ambient computing features that just, like, lived on your phone, and it was so great. I was thinking of a studio video idea the other day. Maybe it could be a podcast, but, like, tier listing. the top gimmicks on phones.

Like which ones actually became things. Like back then it was like, oh, this is cool. It shows that it can do it, but none of us really care. And then years later you're like, no, I still use that pretty often. I'll still use it solely every day. We can do like a tier list of those like. I think a tier list of like privacy screen is like B tier probably. Yeah.

On Samsung phones. LG wing S plus tier. Just. Or like there are some bad ones too. Obviously the solely stuff with the LG phones. Hemoglobin. Vane ID. The fact that I know what you mean when you do hemoglobin is insane, but yes, that was like an FTA.

All G7 thin Q, baby. Yeah, what a great phone. Yeah, solely for sure. Cool. We also have an update I wanted to throw in here. Joanna Stern tweeted about this this morning, but we've talked about it on the pod also, that meta is pushing a mandatory software update to stop people's meta glasses that have their LEDs drilled out. If you cover up the LED, it knows that you're doing that and therefore you can record

without it. Or you can't record. But people were finding ways to drill out the LEDs to kill the light for recording secretly, which is creepy and should never happen. Joanna Stern did a great video on it. We talked about it. Meta even brought it up at the launch of their last pair of glasses. Apparently they're finally pushing an update to stop people from tampering. I'm hoping that means they figured out how to anyone who's already done it be able to tell because the way they were doing it was this

extremely specific way that I guess the glasses couldn't tell it got tampered with Yeah, the current was still going through but the LED was just not there at a level. So the glasses thought that it was still pushing the current to the LED but there was no LID. So I think they probably

figured out a way around that. Yeah, I hope they found I hope this actually works. I still think the light should be red and I think it should be recording literally any time the camera is accessing information at all because we saw all that stuff about like activating AI

and that's actually recording stuff so. And it should have pushed notification to everyone in a five mile radius that's recording. But while I wish it was, you know, those things were still there. Give them credit, good step. We'll fix that or hopefully that's fixed because that LED

needs to be recording. For sure. Okay. Wait, you mean the LED needs be lit while recording yeah yeah yes thank you another update i got an email yeah barquez got an email i got a certain email that's it that's the news yeah there was an email that i you know i get a lot of emails this is when i i paused for a while on and i was like trying to remember what it was even about uh but it goes like this hi i'm daniel the founder and ceo of pickle we promised pickle one by the end of june and we missed that date that's some time entirely on us, and I'm sincerely sorry.

We have decided to cancel this pre-order batch and refund every deposit. The units need more work to meet the standard we promised you, so we are returning your money now while we continued to build. And I went, oh, right. I pre-ordered a pickle. I did pre-order a pickle. Remember, like, how many weeks ago was it that we talked about these random AI? Months, probably, yeah.

These random AI startups that are trying to do interesting hardware. Well, pickle was January. Pickle. Yeah, that was one of them. Yeah. And they, you know, there are some people on Twitter who were sort of declaring ahead of time that they were not going to ship on time and they didn't, obviously. Well, yeah, if you forget what Pickle was, we talked about in January, they were a pair of glasses. They were very slim, kind of funky looking.

But like if you think about Snap Spex and think about what Pickle showed, these actually looked like glasses. The difference is Snap Spex are real. Pickle, no one ever thought was going to be real. Fair enough. No, that's debatable. I mean, I don't know. They, so they were what they claimed the world's first sole computer. I was reading back our old talk on this, and it's more insane than I thought it was. First ever sole computer.

There were 68 grams, had binocular full-color AR displays, the widest field of view or brightness of any AR display glasses, lightest personal computer in history, and they had a pickle OS, which was a memory-based operating system, that would, through your camera and live streams, record your memories and turn them into bubbles in PiccoloS that you could then look back on. And if it sounds like I just fucking had a fever dream and went off the deep end, I promise all of this stuff from the video. And that was in January.

And then Daniel Park and them haven't really tweeted since February. I have a feeling a lot of the stuff that we talked about in that video probably aged very well. because most of what people were saying when this video came out was like, oh, this is not real. You're promising a product that clearly doesn't exist with technology that's not available yet

and a price tag that seems impossible and like all this stuff just doesn't seem realistic. And so now that I did put down a deposit and I'm getting this email, I'm like being reminded of those takes, which is like, yeah, this is probably not going to happen anytime soon. I think we went a step further and said, I thought the demos in it were fake.

There was like live demos that did. that didn't match up with the resolutions they were promising. And they tried to insist that they were real? I mean, it said live demo with Big Red and was recording. It had this little cat avatar that could follow you around or different avatars and all this kind of wild stuff that just, it's one of those things where we're seeing these huge companies try so hard to make dual display AR glasses. And then some guy comes out of nowhere promising all these things. it just, it always seemed like it was going to be fake.

And their defense, at least they did a full refund. Well, here's what I'm confused about. For batch one, when we made our recording in January, they were taking pre-orders for batch two, which was promised for the end of this year. So I don't know what this means. Is there going to be a batch two still? Or are they just not going to refund batch two people till December,

when they clearly won't ship this in December? So to be clear, are they saying that they will eventually ship this product or are they just kind of giving up on timelines? No, they're going, they're both. They're still trying to ship it, but they're like, this needs more time so that people who paid a whole bunch to get there as early, we're going to refund that bit that you paid to be early. Okay, but they're not giving a new estimated delivery day?

No. I'm confused by refund in full because they just give you all your money back, right? I wonder if batch two got their money back. Would that then put batch two ahead of batch one since you got all of your money back and they didn't? You didn't really get your money back because what's the inflation rate, Ben? since you put your money in. That's called interest free loan, baby.

Damn. Do you still have a pre-order? Or do they just give you your money back? Oh, you do you still have a pre-order? No, you still, yeah. It doesn't cancel your order. It just means, hey, you don't get it yet. So do you have to buy it again?

You have to give them the money back again when you want the glasses? I think you get free glasses. You didn't pay for the, you just paid a pre-order. Deposit. Deposit, you didn't pay the whole price of the glasses. How much are the glasses going to cost? I don't even remember. It's like $1,300 bucks.

Or, I think there was something. selling them for like 800 or 900 for if you got the early adopter, we're going to ghost you after you pay us rate. But yeah, this is so weird. None of them. The pickle account hasn't tweeted since the launch video. And then Daniel Park, the CEO, tweeted like one more time afterwards. And I've seen nothing from them.

But it all just kind of shows the foreshadowing that was Daniel Park's Twitter bio that said, I'm in a pickle. thought he was being cute with that kind of bit him in the ass a little bit. Turns out to be accurate. Very accurate. It wasn't lying. AI startup. Yep. All right. Wow.

We all, none of us think this is shipping by the end of the year, right? Or ever. I'll go ever. Yeah. It's in the same vaporware category as a lot of other things that we've talked about. Yeah. Honestly. Like the roadster and Robotaxy.

Well. Friend AI. All day I. Friend is technically available. I have one. Yeah. Is it worse? I'm still not sure if you actually have friend AI or some other AI penit and then every time

we talk about this, we're like, I don't remember which. I'll double check. Friend, I'm pretty sure it is available. It's just like nobody uses it. Yeah, why would they? Yeah, exactly. Sorry. Yeah, this one is the one I have.

We have another pendant also. I think I have two of this, two boxes of this. I haven't taken it out the box yet. We need to take those things. Maybe I should. That was the AI hardware era. Yeah. That was.

Like, it's already over. It's over. No one tell Johnny I. I don't know if their product is ever coming out. I think. A little fun with circular financing, you know what I mean? I think their product is coming out. Yeah.

I've heard enough echo through the cracks of New York City that at this point, they've thrown so much money and personnel at it. They've done the same to the entire AI industry. That is true. Yeah, that is true. Well, speaking of products that did come out. Yep. Yeah, for real, for real.

We had the nothing phone 4B drop this past week. I reviewed it, did a video about it. You can watch that. This summary is the B stands for budget. So nothing. This is, I got to get this right. Jesus. So nothing makes a bunch of phones that are budget friendly in price.

And that's what the B stands. for, right? No. Oh. So they have a flagship phone in their own lineup. It's not a high-end phone, but it is their flagship that is the nothing phone three. But it is a bit more budget than the like premium Snapdragon elite flagships or whatever.

But they also have the A series that is like a more budget phone than their flagship, but not CMF, which is their budget brand. Well, yeah. But it's also the 4A. Yeah, so they have a 4A. But the 3 is their phone. The three is their flagship. They haven't done a new flagship because of reasons. Don't worry about that. But they have a four. I'm just go to their side to make sure you're getting this right. Rams. So, but yeah, they have a 4A. And they also have a 4A pro, which is like a more premium, but still less than their flagship budget version of their phone. Anyway, don't worry about that. They also now have a B-series phone. And that is even less expensive. But they also have a sub-brand called Z.

CMF that's even less expensive typically than the nothing phones. My theory was that this was going to be the next high-end pro-cmf phone. But, you know, we've talked about this RAM shortage and all the memory increase in prices and all this stuff. And I don't think they would have been able to get the bill of materials low enough to make another CMF phone for under $300. I got a tip from a source after our last episode about this that said that is exactly what happened.

Well, I feel very validated then. It was going to be the CMF Phone 3 Pro or whatever, and they knew that nobody would buy it at the price they had to sell it at, and then people would be very mad that it was branded CMF if it cost them much money. That's incredible because that's exactly what I said in my review. Yeah. Yeah. And so it's the only reason that they made it the 4B.

Otherwise, they probably would never have made a B series. Yeah. Well, it's not working out very well for them because Subred is not happy about it. People are still... Two of the top three posts this week on the nothing subreddit are just... It just says horrible pricing. And then one saying the nothing phone with a chin isn't a nothing phone. I mean, it's a see my phone.

People are not happy about... Actually, that's a really good point. I have thoughts on that. That's so funny. First of all, I do... So it does have a slight chin. I do think generally people overreact to the chins and renders on phones they were never going to buy anyway. This does not have a folding.

Can you buy this in the U.S. if you wanted to. Correct. This is Europe, Asia, India, Australia, probably some of the South America, but not coming to the U.S. So it's 330 pounds, right? And 300 great... It's pretty heavy. Euros, it's 300 euros. No, Great British pounds.

300 Great British pounds or 330 euros. Are great British pounds different than American pounds? Yes. Either way, it is not the cheapest phone in the world, but I do think this is part of a larger trend of, like, phone. are just starting to cost more and more, and this is not instinctively like a really, really great deal, but it is a solid phone that is cheaper than their other solid phones. So it's an Amo-led still.

It's not an LCD. It is 8 gigs of RAM still. It is 128 gigs of storage to start. It has a 6,000-million-epower battery in India, or 5,200 million-power in the other markets. Why is it bigger in India? They have two different specs, one for India, one for the rest of the world.

the India one doesn't have NFC because that saves a little money and India doesn't really use NFC that much but they also fit a larger battery in it so it's like they just have a different skew for India So it's like the 4BB yeah basically well B for basically

but it's also not a high-end chip it's a Snapdragon 6 Gen 4 it's like not a particularly high-end chip it's not a it's 120 hertz display and that's nice but it's like a pretty mediocre set of of two cameras, 50 megapixel main camera, and then an 8 megapixel ultra-wide. It's not blowing

anybody's minds with performance. It's just like a solid nothing phone that's cheaper than the other nothing phones. So that's why B stands for budget. They refuse to say it, but I'll say it. It's the budget one. My favorite part in the video you made is when you show the graph of all the performance, everyone's just like, wow, Tensor really taking shots here. Yeah, the Tenser G2 is right around the same CPU performance level as this super low-end snapdagon chip, which is also right around the same level as the one plus seven pro. Oh. It's not a new phone.

That's a pretty old phone. It's a pretty old phone. I was still reviewing phones for a living when that came out. I'm using a one plus 15 right now. So, yeah, it's definitely lacking. And I think the people on the subreddit are probably not going to be happy about the performance. They're probably not going to be happy about price to performance. ratio, but yeah, it's a it's a nothing phone. I think you could be a lot harsher on it if you were

looking, if you're, if you're comparing it to other phones in its price class, things like the MotoG stylus, things like, you could probably say some like the A series from Samsung. They have way better software. I mean, I'd buy a nothing phone over a MotoG or Samsung A series any day. Exactly. But different, you know, upsides for different phones in this price category. Yeah. And they're also all going to be getting more expensive. unfortunately. Yeah. It's all about expectations. And I think the fact that nothing sort of cemented, because they just took the one plus approach from way back in the day where it was like the cheapest possible price for the best possible specs and then build the community

around that. It's harder than ever. Yeah, it's harder than ever to actually have that in the world with RAM. What do you think of the design? I think it's kind of ugly. Really? Yeah. And I'm not in love with it. I don't love the like the sort of like matte blue. I think the color itself is nice but the finish and the feel in the hand is actually kind of cheap, unfortunately.

It is a plastic phone. Yeah. But I think it's cool that it comes in blue. The white version I think looks nice. All of these phones have black buttons so it's a nice contrast with the black button. I think it looks fine. It just looks like they got a little lazy in the camera bump with like nothing has all of these fun things

they do which can make you be like cool. At least this is a really sick looking phone and this was like we put the little glyph bar at a couple of fake screws and this is very similar to the whole like Ferrari luce thing where if it wasn't a Ferrari people would actually think it's kind of cool. If this was a CMF phone, I'd be like that's like one of their best looking CMF phone. That's true. But as a nothing phone, I'm just kind of like, it looks pretty. Something about the orange of CMF and knowing it's plastic, you're expecting the plastic where the nothing is like

you're expecting a little more premium built quality out of it. Yeah. Yeah. It even has the little like weird circle thing. It does have the circle. But didn't one of the other nothing phones have it? Yeah, it's possible.

What circle thing? In the bottom. Oh, in the corner. Yeah, I noticed that. I held it up next to the CMO phone. That shot didn't make the video but it's kind of like, why is that there?

It seems like it's... Maybe because it was supposed to be a CMAF phone and they just rebranded it. It feels like one of those things were like a mammal evolves and doesn't have a tail anymore. but they still have a tailbone. It feels like a vestigial, like,

a little bump on the corner of the phone. Like, oh, yeah, this is not a CMF phone anymore. I think that the CMF phone sort of, like, moniker branding is having that little nub in the bottom corner. Yeah. And I would bet you that's on the other corner, which is weird. Oh, well, I mean, still. But it hasn't been in any nothing phones before, right?

No, I don't see it in anything. So I'm betting you that this was supposed to be a CMF phone, and at the last minute, they just made a marketing decision. Yeah. Yeah. That's really interesting. Oh, no, never mind. This one does.

What is this? The 3 Pro. No, this is this 3 Pro? Yeah. The Nothing Phone has it? Yeah, that's the 3 Pro. Okay. So they have had it in other nothing phones.

Okay. But, all right. It does still kind of give CMF vibes. Oh, is it 4 Pro? 4A doesn't have it. What's that? Oh, it's 4A Pro. 4A Pro.

That's an A? Yeah. But it's A pro. Right. So it's a little better than A. Just like Charlie X, CX. Yeah. There's also a 3A light, by the way.

Did you know that? No. Are you kidding? You know, we talked about this phone. Explain your Charlie X.C. What do you mean? She's like their official ambassador. Yeah.

In case you missed the news, this is huge news. No, I think I remember this now that you. Charlie XX is a brand ambassador for nothing. I'm so sad that they got rid of the scent from Twitter for my phone thing. It was so fun. That was a good time. Because there's no way. There's no way.

But, you know. She does live in the UK. So look, people use Android phones in everywhere else. the world besides the everywhere else in the United States in the world besides the United States so just to be clear

their whole lineup is a nothing phone 3 then the nothing phone 4A pro then the nothing phone 4A then the nothing phone 3A no 4B then 3A

light then I don't think they don't still sell the 3A They don't still sell the 3A's, so they just have 4A's now. So I think 4A light is gone. There is no 3A light is gone and there's no 4A light. So it's just 4B now. They just need to do what Razor did.

I don't think that helped anyone. I think that hurt. That actively hurt me. They just need to do what Razor did back in the day where they just started branding everything the year it was released. Yeah. Yeah. That's what Samson's doing. Although, to be honest, they release so many phones per year that at that one work.

Yeah, that's the hard part. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they did really something else. Yeah. The nothing ear 3A, which maybe is also a little confusing because the previous version of this was the nothing ear A and now we're on nothing three. Did they have a 2A? No.

They didn't? No. Then why is that 3A? I don't know. I would say to match the current volume, but that's four. But that's four. Oh. Somewhat.

Acus needs to answer for his sins. I need to know. Anyways. $99 just like the original ear A. The case looks just like the old one, which I use the ear A at home and the ear three. Oh, maybe it's matching the ear number. So ears at ear three.

Okay. So that's what it's matching. Sure. I use the ear three's at the gym here at work. I like the case of the ear A better. And I really don't feel like there's a huge difference between the two buds. So I would go with the cheap version any day of the week. Yeah.

They're good for what their price. They're good. No, they're the earbuds I keep finding myself coming back to you. I know I give nothing a lot of hell on this podcast, but for whatever reason, those earbuds I've been using for so long. I think those are some of their best products, for sure. And now that there's a $99 version, I think that's almost my like go-to recommendation if you don't have an iPhone and want AirPods.

Yeah. There's three, or sorry, four colors, white, black, yellow, which we've seen before, and now pink. My biggest issue is all of the color is either on the case or, on like the inside part of the earbud that goes in your ear. Oh. So you don't see it. The other colors are just the black stems. So I think that could be pretty cool if they incorporated it a little more into the stems.

They're also adding something called audio snapshot, which I'm going to explain and you can tell me why. It is the ability to the case has 32 megabytes of storage in it. And you can record what you're listening to, it says. I'm assuming also what. what you are saying into the microphone but also what you're listening to. And I can't figure out why

you would want to do that. I'm sure somebody can think of something a whole phone call maybe locally. That would be cool. I was like trying to think of it if it's like, do you know people are legal in some states. That's, so they specifically say this is for personal, non-commercial

use only, which makes me think is their weird lawyer way of being like, please don't just record a bunch of music off of Spotify. and like steal it for a local backup. Yeah, how does that work? Yeah, so DR. Wait a minute.

So you can record. So anything that's going to the wireless headphones, like any feed that it's playing, you can record. My entire knowledge of this feature is one sentence that says you can record what you hear. They don't give like a what this is useful for. I'm not entirely sure. Or I missed it. Like you try to screenshot certain apps that have like a Netflix video, it will not

let you because you're not allowed to. If you are listening to copyrighted content and you record it with the feature in the app, does it still work? I have no idea. I guess we'll have to find out. Apparently, it records and can store onto the case storage and then be accessed through the nothing X app where you can then edit or share it. So you can definitely transcribe it, which actually sounds cool if you're doing phone call. I was going to say that's one of the features. You can definitely record conversations because one of the things that they're showing on the website is call recording, and you can save up to two hours of conversations and online meetings.

And then in the app or transcribe it. That probably makes the most sense, especially if it's going to Nothing X-Ap, they like all the AI stuff. So being able to save that. I'm fairly certain that's still illegal in some states, though. It's like some states are two-party,

like you need to tell the person I'm about to record, is that okay? Yeah, but the iPhone still has to record this call feature. That's true. You know, it's not like, it's up to you to follow the law. It's not up to like nothing or rules. There are laws.

Yeah, I mean, on the website, it does say one of the features that says capture calls plus media. I don't really see anything on the page that talks about what it's useful for. Oh, here we go. A call and transcribing sounds. New audio snapshot and call recording feature lets you capture all the things you hear while better active noise cancel. Okay. You're right. They just mention it exists.

They don't really mention what you should use it for. I think since Carl Pay is so long on AI stuff, I think his probably intention for it is all of these like AI. pendants and stuff are like, oh, quickly record a thought that you have, like these rings. A big feature of the rings is just to be able to, like, tell an idea to your ring so that it can get saved somewhere and then it's like your second brain. I would guess that is what they want to market these for too. With one step further, because you don't, like to just do thoughts, you don't need to record the audio that's playing at the same time.

So I think like conversations, meetings, we're seeing all these different things of like how to So to that point, have you tried it yet for meetings? No. Because I tried it the other day when we had our special podcast meeting. No, it was, um, was it notion? Notion. Notion pops up every time I have like a huddle or anything. I know it does.

It was Google meet. And when we had our special podcast meeting for upcoming episodes, stay tuned. I asked it to record and summarize the meeting just to like try it out, see what it did. It gave me nothing useful by the end of it. Like, it was completely useless. What was the point of letting you listen to this? That was probably... It was Google.

It's because Google makes money. I just did a Google one, and it was really helpful. Was it short? No, it was an hour long. This was an hour long, and it was complete. It was like, try to figure out this. And I was like, yeah, but we resolved that issue. Like, we solved it.

And it, like, the summary just completely ignored the solution. To be fair, the majority of that meeting was, like, six people at a table and, like, one or two people on the video call. So it would have had to just listen to mostly people. talking at a table back and forth. That is what a meeting is. No, no, but most... Most modal super intelligence.

There's no excuses. I think most remote meetings are all the individual people have their own microphone. Oh, I disagree. That's maybe for a fully remote company. But most companies are like sitting in a room with one or two people remote. Yeah. I think the thing inside Google me is probably... I'm not trying to...

I don't want to be like I defending Google. I like... I'm just saying... I don't know. Going back to this, I don't know how much of a useful feature. It's actually. But it's $99 in a cool pair of headphones. That's all I care about.

I think that's why they're cool. Who cares about audio snapshot? The stupid microphone thing in Ear 3, no one uses. The microphone thing? Yeah. You don't even remember it. Put a microphone in the case. It's like in the case.

So you can talk to your case like a road go wire. I forgot about that. Didn't that not work because Android didn't support it or something when it launched? I have no idea. I think it did work. can you can use it as like a mic for your call if you're in a super loud bar. And it sounded bad. And then everyone told you weren't holding it close enough to your mouth, even though you were

like. Right up to your mouth. I will say like they have a bunch of press photos of people wearing these buds. And you can see the color. A little bit. But you could see it more if they just actually made the stems different. But it's probably too many. That's why I think the white ones look the best because the stems are white.

There might be an element though of like you see a flash of pink or a flash of yellow in someone's ear and it kind of makes you do a double take. Maybe that's what their marketing strategy is, is try to get people to look twice. I think their marketing strategy is the stem. They don't need to make four different stems. They can only make, they make two stems instead. I mean, yeah.

That's their production strategy. Production. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, I don't know. They're still good. I mean, I would like to try these ones.

They're generally good for $100 and, you know. I like them. All right. Well, since we have nothing more before our ad break. Except for trivia. Then we should do that. I guess we should do that. I really wanted to make this question about Google internal code names and pickle stuff.

But I discovered today if you search the words Google codename and then any word in parentheses to like force give you results. AI overview will just invent a fake Google product and say that was its code name. Any word. I pushed it really, really far. But today's question is about pickles because Daniel Park's bio, as we mentioned, is in a pickle or some in a hashtag pickle, hashtag in a pickle, whatever. I got his name right, right? Yeah, Daniel Park. Okay.

But I would like to ask you guys today what famous English language author actually coined the idiom, the colloquialism in a pickle? I thought this was going to actually be about pickles He was not the first one To use it But it is regarded as the place where It became a popular phrase that everyone uses You say English? English, it's English language

The first usage I could find was about 40 years before this guy But it seemed like no one cared about that And then this guy used it And all of a sudden everyone's been saying in a pickle So stolen content Yeah, exactly, dude Yeah Okay

I have no idea. Damn. Yeah, no clue. I'll give you a hint. English language author. Got it. Just English now? Now I got it.

Now I got it. That's a really good hint. I think that somehow made it first. I thought you said English author. Now English language. Fine. He is also an English author. So now I'm back to where I started, which is I have no idea.

I have two. I think there's two that I'm thinking about. At the end of the video, we'll just pull out a whiteboard and just write down on author. I'm worried about that part. I'm worried about guessing and looking like an idiot. John Green. Name and author.

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They've always been the same thing from the Vox Media Podcast Network and the Wisdomus Company. New episodes drop weekly on YouTube and your favorite podcast app. Okay, welcome back. There are some upcoming tech events that we have to talk a little bit about. Not too much because we're going to talk more about them when they actually happen. but the tech companies are Google and Samsung, and they're doing this thing where they're teasing basically exactly what's coming out

by showing us what's coming out, but not unveiling everything technically. Yeah. We can start with Samsung here. Samsung Unpacked, they have like had this, you know, aspect ratio teaser thing going on on social for a while. Now they have the official unpacked invitation,

which says, it says, a new shape unfolds. I don't know how you could be any more clear about this. They're going to have a new foldable with a different shape. They even have a sort of a tear-off animation so you can see exactly what shape the foldable is going to be. Yeah.

It doesn't get any more clear than that. Now we just have to wait to see the actual device. And to see if any of our theories are going to come true about it being slightly lower priced or slightly more mid-range than their ultra-foldable, which is a little taller. I think it will be because the rumor is that the galaxy eight-fold is going to be called eight-fold ultra.

Yeah. And I think this will probably just be eight-fold. hold wide or something. Yeah. But without the Ultramaniker, and it's probably only going to have a couple cameras, it's going to be the mid-range one, I think, which is kind of sad because I like the passport style better. I also think it's kind of sad, but I also think it makes sense only because in Samsung land

and a lot of other companies, more cameras equals more pro. Yeah. Like pretty strictly. The more cameras it has, the more pro it is. The Galaxy S-26 Ultra has a bunch of cameras. If it's a lower-end phone and it's cheaper, it has less cameras all the way down to their very lowest end phones, which typically have two cameras. Yeah.

Except for the iPhone Air. Well, so in Apple Land, it's actually kind of still true in Apple Land, but the iPhone air messes it all up because it's more expensive than the base phone, but it has less cameras. Yeah. So 9 to 5 Google has price rumors. They're in. Okay.

Are these euros? These are euros, right? Yeah. So Z-Fold 8, 256, 1999. So Z-Fold 8, 256, 2999. Z-Fold 8 Ultra-256, 2199. Okay. That's not a huge difference.

It's not a huge difference, although I don't know the conversion rate very well. It's pretty close. $2,200 is $2,500. That is expensive. That's a lot. Yeah, not that close. But the difference between... That's $256.

Damn. $2,000 starting. So it's not a big gap, though, between them. So do we think it's just like slightly less screen real estate and one-must camera? So we think that's just going to be called. the Z-fold eight. I think that's what people seem to be thinking. That's dumb of them.

They should call it Z-Fold-8 wide. Yeah, maybe at the expense of making this podcast slightly more useless when the event does happen. Do we think the difference will be between the wide and the full size eight? I mean, I wish it was only the shape. If it's the same chip, same RAM, same storage, same display technologies, literally same refresh rate,

just different aspect ratio on one less camera and less battery. It's probably going to be a chip from. last year. In the wide? Yeah. That would be another way of lowering the price. Yeah. But it doesn't seem like the price is very low.

It doesn't seem... I'm starting to think it might just be the different aspect ratio and camera. And that's probably slightly less total screen real estate, right? True, yeah. So that's probably the difference in a little less display, one less camera. So just the camera and the display being slightly smaller, gets rid of the ultramoniker. And you also have a smaller battery if it's a smaller overall phone. Yeah.

And I think the ultramoniker here is less of that it's ultra and more that the other one isn't. It's like a differentiating. Maybe it also has no S-Pen support. Maybe it also drops like some of the really, really fringe extra like software features or something that the ultra has. Plastic. Maybe maybe privacy display on the ultra or something. Yeah. Stuff like that.

It would be crazy to not put. Never mind. Who knows what they're doing. Who knows what's crazy anymore. I was more worried about it being like a. $1,500 foldable, that's like lower on every single aspect of everything. Like a lower-end chip. Lower on chip, less RAM, worse camera sensors, possibly like plastic back.

Like, that's what they did with Note 10 and Note 10 Ultra or whatever it was. Well, we'll see. July 22nd, we'll find out that will be Galaxy Unpacked. A new shape will unfold. The other one is Google. And that is happening in August, August 12th. And they are also very, very clear in that. the photo of it, we literally get to see the pixel. They've done a good job at not leaking everything

into oblivion with the pixel this year, but they are showing us what looks like the top half of the pixel 11, which has that round, you know, pill-shaped visor like we've seen for the past couple years, not looking forward to a whole ton of change with pixel design, but I will naively cross my fingers for a big improvement with tensor. Well, and then we are supposed to get the pixel glow. Is this going to be a glowing visor? Don't believe it. That's what the rumor is. No shot. I kind of feel like they would have teased that more heavily if that's what actually is. I agree. But all the rumor sites say that it's probably going to be a glowing visor. I almost can't imagine Google teasing a new pixel that has a glowing visor and not

saying the glowing thing is happening. Unless they're trying to save it for the event, make it a big deal. It's glow time. Like they would be very on the nose about it. Yeah, Apple did a couple of years. Apple series. Even though it wasn't glow time. Yeah, exactly. We'll see. Any other leaks that we see with Pixel? Yeah.

They're apparently going to kill the 128 base color, which is specifically for Andrew. Kill it. Base model, not color. Good start. However, it'll be $100 more expensive. Bad finish. And that is a price hike. I'm tired of people who say, this isn't a price hike.

I'm trying to pretending it's not. It's a higher point of entry. aka price hike. I mean, these companies kind of have to do this. Storage is so ridiculously expensive right now. They could have looked really sick last year. Now they just look like fools again.

Yeah, they kind of jumped the gun there. Well, they might not be leaking the pixel that much, but someone did find a watch five in the middle of the ocean. That did happen. We got some more Pixel 5 watch rumors. This does seem like it's getting a price hike, about $50 for each variant, which makes the new starting price $3.99.

but what I hadn't noticed is the pixel watch has it's always been 350 so five generations in for a price like I'll give them some credit there it's still probably a little expensive for a pixel watch yeah there'll be two sizes 41 44 millimeters both of those have a Bluetooth Wi-Fi or LTE model but there's one new color so four total colors silver or rats I've studied this word and now I'm getting wrong we watched a sick video of some guy anthracite Anthracite, warm gold and pyrite, which is fools gold, which means they're the same color. I don't think anyone's expecting a solid gold pixel watch. When they say warm gold, is that supposed to be like some sort of a rose gold, like warm hue version of gold? But not the rose gold for iPhone was basically pink. Right. But the renders of this do not look pink. But naming the other one, pyrite, which just looks like gold.

It kind of implies that warm gold doesn't look like gold anymore. I think that's why they had to name it something different. Strange. I'll show you the renders. What if warm gold is shiny like in the picture and then Pyrite is like Matt? That would be cool. I would actually be into that. That would be kind of cool.

Google just released the addition addition again. I mean, you know, the addition edition edition. The addition. These are the swatches. The Appalwash edition edition edition. So like the swatches kind of look like warm gold looks like gold and Pyrite looks like if you had a gold-colored crayon. No what I mean?

Like, it's really hard to make gold a crayon, which I guess would be the insane way of saying what Adam said, which is just, it's Matt. You remember those 64 packs of Crayola crayons? Yeah. They had to name every single one. I'm pretty sure one of them was pyrite, unless it was maybe the 128 ones, but I...

Maybe. I could have sworn high... There's only the 256 base crayons now, so I don't know. Y'all had 128 gigs of crayons back in there. That's crazy. I had that 90s were a while time. I had that 64 gig, yeah. No, I...

Does not look like there's a pirate crayon. Does that a pirate crayon? It's not a pirate crayon. I just always remember pyrite being the one that looks like gold, but that is dramatically less valuable than actual gold, which is why they call it Fool's Gold. Which is also, it doesn't say a lot about the pixel watch. Yeah, I call it pyrite. But I'm...

I grew up in gold country. It's like where the gold rush happened, and so we have a mine that is still operating called the Empire Mine. A mime? That is, whoa, you're kind of mesmerizing right now. Audio listeners will have to do that. Adam was just miming. Podcast's worse nightmare than mine.

Yeah. Well, mine is still operating. A mime podcast would be so funny. I'm in a box. I'm still in the box. I can't get out of the box. The box is getting smaller. But you can't talk as a mind.

That's the whole point. Well, no, if you're a mime podcaster, then it gets reversed. Then you can't do anything with your body. But you're just a narrator. There is no video version. Is that every podcast? No, charades is regular mime.

People already don't know if you're doing anything with your mom. Oh, no, yeah, you're right. That's why I'm doing the mine podcast. Anyway, please. Tell us about your silly little mind. All right. It's called the Empire Mine. Anyway, it's still operating.

You can go visit it. It's cool. And when we were kids, we used to go there at school. And they would show us the difference between real gold and pyrite. And you could, like, buy some pyrite and take it home and fool your parents into thinking that you actually found real gold. And they're like, oh my God. We can escape the permanent underclass. And then you go, I think it's fake.

April fools. You fool. You fool. In this Swatchel leak that I didn't notice, this is New Way mobile. I'm definitely pronouncing that wrong. But it does actually say polished for warm gold and satin for pyrite. Satin. Nice.

So Matt. Okay. Okay. Matt Gold. I like that. That's very cool. Well, how do we transition this, man? Am I the only one that remembers a pyrite?

I cannot be the only one. Is this a Mandela effect? No, and people like their crayons. I remember there was a TikTok account once that was just this girl collecting the like sunflower colored crayon. That's awesome. Oh. It was way too entertained.

I have a good idea. There's a 120 pack. Oh my God. Well, there might not be an official pirate crayon, but you could generate a pirate crayon with meta's new muse image model. Jesus. Kids these days will never know. The reason.

Wait, AI is the infinite segue glitch. That's true. Yeah, it's true. But just generate a segue. Okay, so meta has finally put out its first AI model from its super intelligence lab. You say finally, like, we've been waiting for this. Yeah. Yeah.

Less that we've been waiting for it and more that they've spent almost as much as they spent on the metaverse on it. Yeah. So there's that. They launched it. It's called Muse AI. It is a image generation model. It's very deeply embedded in Instagram. Adam's Siri very excited that there's a bunch of new Instagram filters you can use with it.

things like that. He posted it and all the comments were like literally nobody cares which is funny. The not funny part is that because it's very deeply integrated into Instagram you can now, if you're on meta-AI

you can just tag an Instagram post or an Instagram profile and it will you can remix whoever's photos you want. You can add people's likeness into your generated pictures. You can add

landscapes that other people took photos of into their pictures. Bad, no, don't do that. And it's opt out. Which is, it's opt out. You're surprised? So, yeah, I recommend that everybody goes into Instagram settings and offs out of this. Do it. You have to read download the Instagram app. Well, I actually think you might have to because I don't have the app. So I just use the browser. And in the

browser settings on where you take this out, that option's not there. Yeah. You know what I've been thinking about a lot recently? And this is very obvious and not a unique take, but we allowed like five companies like private, well, not private, but corporations to be so deeply embedded in the way that we like live our lives and like move through the world. And they just keep screwing us over and over again. If only there were some sort of protocol to avoid all this. If only there were some sort of protocol. Here we go. To avoid all this.

We should have like a button we can press where the background music starts getting louder as like David inches towards another protocol. Shout out. He's right. Like that's the thing. It's like, he's right. Stop doing me. I'm right.

This is so much crazier on the tale of two weeks ago. The meta, Boz came out and made that statement that was like, look, we get it. We've tortured our engineers, like moving that many of them over to the applied AI team. and making them craft these games and training exercises for the AI. We get it. We've, like, ruined the morale of this company. But new Instagram filters, baby.

Let's go. You want to look like some animal? It's done. It was all worth it. A couple months ago... Okay, go ahead. I was just to say, not just any animal, an animal that I took a photo of

and you stole from me. Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, like, a couple months ago, Adam Assyria put out of that, like, 20 post Instagram post that was, like, careful, guys. It's getting harder to tell.

what's real and what's fake. You've got to be really vigilant. We're living in difficult times. So here's more ways to create slop. You know? So anyway, they also launched a web tool where you can upload a photo to see if it was AI generated by Muse AI

AI because it has an invisible motormark. That's nice. Oh, wait, that's good. Yeah. I mean, they did the absolute minimum. It should be built into the app, but at least they have it. It should be built into the app.

It should be built into the app. Yeah, anything should. Properly tab. It should be tagged. Yeah. All of them. I'm not sure if it will be tagged because I haven't actually seen any of these generations. They have some animations on their page and they don't look tagged to me.

It seems like the watermark is invisible. Yeah, I don't know, guys. We didn't expect me to do anything else, but... Is it just me or does an invisible watermark kind of defeat the purpose of a watermark? Well, it's like you can upload it to a tool and the tool is the only thing that's able to see. It's up to the app developer. to make a physical thing, well, not physical, I guess,

but like a label for you, the user to see. But the computer in the background would see it. I agree with you, Marquez. It's like this, if we're creating all these things with invisible watermarks, when X misinformation gets posted and one million people see it,

then the follow-up thing is like, oh, this is a fake image because we found the invisible watermark. 0.00 for... Yeah, 100,000 of the 1 million see that front... It doesn't matter that it's... There's a watermark that says it's AI. All of the places where it's most important to know that it's AI are all of the places where you're least likely to check if it's AI or not.

Yeah. And that strikes me as like a pretty important dynamic. I don't know how much more like watermarky they want to get with it. But like if I'm scrolling social media or if I'm like seeing an image that is just sort of passing me and I'm not going to like spend a whole bunch of extra time with it, I'm probably not going to check. And those are the ones that are most likely to be AI and actually matter. But you shouldn't have to check. Heck. Yeah.

The app itself should see the watermark and display that information. It should. It should. Ideally, that works perfectly every time. I have a lot of experience with it not working perfectly. Hopefully it gets better. Yeah.

I mean, Twitter tries to say things are AI, but half of them aren't AI. It just seems like it's getting confused. Yeah, I've seen both. Some of them are just Photoshop's. Yeah, I've seen both. I've seen uploading a thumbnail to Twitter and it goes, this has AI. Let me label it. I'm like, no, it doesn't.

And I've also seen random Facebook slop that just doesn't say it's AI anymore. And it's clearly AI. So I'm like, all right, this is not. perfect yet, but it would be nice. It's almost like there should be a universal protocol where all of these can use the same invisible watermark in every platform. It should be a French horn in the background.

Every time he starts saying. It's almost as if, bum, bum, boom, boom. If you would like to op out of the service, you go to your Instagram settings, look for the sharing and reuse tab, and look for the header, allow people to use your content on Instagram. Turn that off.

And with AI features on meta or whatever, I don't know, but... I turned it off before the podcast started. Yeah, I just turned it off for mine. No can do it for you. Nice. These criminals. Opt-out is always lame. I'll have to say that.

These alleged criminals, but not by me. I think you are alleging that. I didn't know. I didn't, I didn't know what I did anything. Meta legal department. All right. Well, other social media news. Yep.

Twitter's new editing tool, they just announced their video editing and recorder tool inside their iOS app. It can basically do everything you're expecting a vertical video editing tool on a social media app can do, which is overlay text and auto captioning and like green screen effects. Is this 2026 the year of the green screen vertical video recorder? Every phone seems to do it. Android added it into it. to Android.

Yeah. Doesn't Apple have it now also? I don't think so. It's in Final Cut, the auto magnetic mask thing. Oh, that's like. Yeah, but that's same thing. This is like the, yeah, like Android has it to now like when you're screen recording, like everything. Reactions.

Like you can react to the video behind you. They're saying that this is so Twitter users can now create original content. But what really was interesting about this is after Nikita tweeted, Nikita Bair tweeted this, you know, new tool. Nicky to bear? He is something product of Twitter. Yeah, I try not to listen to anything. He's a lot of power.

He's the guy that's texting texting clavicular. Oh, gosh. I don't even know. He's head of product. He's also an advisor at Solana. Okay, there we go. Made a great phone. Okay.

Someone tweeted that this is the TikTokification of the, or the TikTokification of the site continues to which he responded a bunch of different things. we'll show the whole tweet in the video podcast. But a couple of lines from that that I thought was interesting. He said, many videos from top accounts are simply stolen from other users, sometimes five years after they originally went viral. No shit.

I mean, I think we all know Twitter is pretty engagement-farmie at this point. I mean, a lot of social media is, especially vertical video short-form content, likes to steal a lot of content. Yeah, this isn't, this is, I found this to be a one-way, issue specifically with TikTok going to all the other websites like YouTube shorts has this problem Instagram Reels has this problem Twitter has this problem everyone's taking things from TikTok because people make their video in TikTok's editor and it gets the TikTok watermark and it's clearly a TikTok and it has the end screen and when it's done and then that goes to the other site and YouTube hates that

everyone has a different version of dealing with it Instagram like penalized you for it yeah if it was very clearly a TikTok they would penalize it in the algorithm and they'd much rather use their tools I think YouTube might have also done the same thing where if you have that like watermark or end screen that's TikTok they don't like that either. So yeah, what's Twitter doing about it? Well, so they're making their own so that you can then make your original content.

But I feel like the issue with this is so many people like short form content because it's like pretty low risk, high reward where you can make a one minute long vertical video with your phone and post it to four different platforms exactly the same. We do it all the time. And what sticks on which platform is a total, a total guess.

I don't know if anyone seen Billy Madison, but there's a scene where they throw pickles up on a window. Pickles. Pickle mentioned. And they raise the pickles. Like, whenever someone asks me, what's your strategy for short form content? I, like, send them that scene. I was like, one of the pickles might go faster than the other pickles. I don't know.

It's all a guess. So they now want to be the one making it. I don't think this is going to necessarily mean original content's going to be made on Twitter just because of it. And also, could I not just rip a video and bring it into the Twitter video recording tool and still steal all the content I want to steal? That's how next time I upload my full length render of the backrooms all an hour and a half of it, I can have me doing a funny little jig, like keyed on top of it. Or you just have to be like the one. the 20% of the bottom just like looking up in your computer chair like you're reacting to it. I honestly think their best bet might be doing the thing that has worked in every other dimension

of encouraging engagement, which is just obviously penalize or like make it literally ineligible for monetization if it's stolen from another platform. And you can pretty easily auto detect the ones that are stolen from TikTok because it has the TikTok watermark and the end screen. And I think YouTube shorts now, if you make it in the YouTube shorts editor and export that, It has a YouTube logo in it. So if Twitter wants to be so serious about being the place where you create the content, then you can penalize or even disqualify from monetization, the stuff that is stolen. The big accounts will not benefit from stealing.

And then everything will start trending towards you having original content. You know, Marquez, it's funny you say that because a big, big, big, huge part of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, the DFCA, is that in order to be legally protected from copyrighted stuff being posted on a platform you own, you need to be making a good faith, a quote unquote good faith effort to remove it, which... To remove it. Like, YouTube, I think even though they're not awesome at it, like you could at least say they're making a good faith effort. Twitter does not make a good faith effort. I don't know what it looks like.

Dude, the amount of full movies I get when I'm just scrolling video videos on Twitter, like, yeah, yeah. Like, Twitter makes no effort to remove. I mean, maybe they do somewhere, but it's not good faith. I'll tell you that much. Yeah. It also apparently only matters if you're an iPhone user because this isn't on the Android app. Oh, my. Which they said they're working on, but I don't know.

I feel like this could have just been like, hey, we're releasing this. Let's not make it some big statement on how we're correcting stolen content. Just say you're terrible. Remove your stolen content. and hope this enables some people to be able to make more original content? I don't know. It seemed pretty dumb. I need to start ending these ad breaks on a more positive story. I got into my Apple note that has been locked for so long,

and I finally guessed the correct password. So that is my good news of the day. That's great for you. Congratulations. Thank you. What was the password? The password was... Nice.

Wait, I actually do know what it is. You can password protect Apple notes? A specific note. Whoa. Yeah, not suspicious at all. So your girlfriend can't get into it. Fianci now. LGG7, thank you.

She just covers it in that note. Nice. LGG7, thank you. You mentioned it before. It launched. With what version of Android? Hmm. What year is it?

I can't even go in a reverse order from today's LG phone because there is none. That's true. So I have to go back to the G7? Okay, so G5. I think I know the year. I'll give you an extra point if you get the code name. Can I say the year? Pickle.

No. The code name. LG has code. I guess everyone. I think I have the year. I mean, I got a version of Android towards. Oh. Shamu.

The Nexus. I, we should. Okay. What? Marley. Answers would be at the end like usual. We'll be right back. This episode is brought to you by Accenture.

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Okay, this is sort of a rant and also sort of a I understand something now that I think a lot of people might not understand. Does that mean you're seeing both sides of this? I'm in the middle. Okay, so we're all using iOS 27, Beta 3, correct?

No, not all of us. I'm using Android. All right. Ellis is not, okay, are you in Beta 3? Yes. Marquez and I are all using iOS 27, beta 3. Okay.

So something that's been kind of weird in iOS 27 in general, the beta, is that, you know, we've talked a lot about how all of the Apple apps have all this special access to Siri. Siri's the big update in iOS 27. And we've been wondering, you know, is Siri only going to be good with Apple apps? When I ask questions about personal context and it only sorts through my messages app, but it can't go through telegram, can't go through signal, stuff like that.

If I ask it to send an email in Gmail and it just can't do it, it can open Gmail, but it can't do anything else, you know? The big question has been, is Apple going to try to keep people in their wall garden

where if you use Apple apps, everything's wonderful and dandy and nice and clean and beautiful? And I discovered an answer late last night. Okay. So, as it turns out, Apple is allowing developers to, you know, allow their apps to give personal context,

all of this stuff to Siri. Yes. But the current version of Xcode that's in beta does not allow you to ship apps with these functions yet. So right now you can do them in test flight. So if you have a test flight version of an app, you can see what Siri might be able to do with it once everything comes out.

Everyone's sort of, you know, not officially, reviewing Siri but everyone's just posting about like here's what Siri can do here's what Siri can't do everyone's frustrated and it turns out we're not actually going to see the full capabilities of the new Siri until it officially launches on like that iPhone 18 yes in September in September yeah I think this is something that I've found to be generally true for a lot of like a lot of the big iOS updates you'll see a lot of your apps get that update in September yeah So they're not pushing, like, when we got liquid glass, we've had like months and months during the summer of like, oh, okay, what developers are going to embrace liquid glass? And not a whole lot of them did.

And then September happened. And the new iPhone came out. And then everyone got the update. And then a bunch of our most popular apps started to get liquid glass. Yeah. I think that's generally true about most of the big stuff in iOS, whether it's adopting new features or new plugs that developers can jump into. Right. That stuff will wait until the September drop.

Yeah. I think that the confusion around this is that we talked a lot about. app intents, right? Which is this ability for apps to have this list of functionality that can be used in shortcuts. And that's been around for a long time. That's been around for like five years. But the new version of iOS is introducing two new things. It's introducing entity schemas and intent schemas.

And entity schemas are like index cards. It tells the app, this is a recipe, or it tells Siri, this is a recipe, this is a photo, this is a note. Siri can read those cards and it can answer. however it needs to use that. And it has like a set number of category things. Yes. As far as I understand, there are a ton.

Yeah. There are like a lot. There used to be not that many when it was on an older version of shortcuts, but now there's like a ton. I heard, I was listening to a podcast with the flighty developers. Apparently flights is not one of them yet. Yeah, I can say that. And they were like, please add that.

Yeah, that seems like one of them that should be there. Yeah. And then there's intent schemas, which is the app that can tell, the app can tell Siri like what buttons it's allowed to press. sort of you know so I think this is this is just a very different way than then Google looks at the AI version of Gemini using your phone because Google's like we're just gonna have Gemini agentically press buttons like you're gonna

yeah figure it out and this is a very classic Apple mentality of like we will give you the the limited tools that we expect people are going to want to use and to Apple's credit apparently that list is very very long although it apparently does not include fly Lights, lights, yeah, which is annoying for flighty, very annoying for flighty. But the developers I talked to over the last couple of days were very, very positive and excited about when this officially launches. And they were very intent on being like, A.E. We're not really seeing the full version of the new Siri right now.

It's only in Apple's apps, because Apple's apps have all these capabilities and they're sort of seen as like the, this is what your app should be able to do. but until, yeah, until it officially launches, I don't think we're going to be able to see everything. So the big question is still, will Google adopt schemas and app and tense? Please. The newer version of Appintense. Yeah.

It would be really nice. We really need to push them to do that because, again, without Google adopting that, it makes Siri half useless. Yeah, so just for an example for that, to be clear. Like right now, if I ask about, like, where am I going to be in a week, it will go, okay, you're asking specifically for a calendar event.

So now we search for a calendar event. Let me look at what all of the developers on this phone have labeled as calendar events. Right now, that's just Apple Calendar because that's Apple's app. And then the other apps have been updated yet. In the future, we are hoping that other calendar apps, specifically Google Calendar, will also label all of their events as calendar events using this built-in tool so that Siri will be able to see those and will be able to pull from that app and answer it.

Right. So as of right now, we just have Apple's apps, which like as I test Siri, I'm just getting like stuff from Google photos, stuff from Google, oh, sorry, stuff from Apple photos, stuff from IMessage,

stuff from my calendar, and it's pretty simple. Yeah. It also like fails at answering a lot of things because I say, do you know this about me? And it goes, no. Yeah.

But if I ask, where was I, it will pull from the geolocation of the photos that I took on those dates. Yeah. So that's pretty cool. an Apple photos. Yeah, from Apple Photos. But it would be nice if there was some more third-party support.

Yeah, and the reason this is very confusing is because, again, App Intents have existed for a long time. But the old version of App Intents was much more limited to the things that it could do because those are integrated to shortcuts. So everything that shortcuts can do, Siri AI should be able to do. But now because we're introducing these new schemas, it's going to be a lot more flexible. There's going to be a lot more things that it'll be able to do. So I've been seeing people tweeting. like a lot throughout the week like oh has anyone actually seen

any apps that support the new Siri yet it's kind of weird that's not out the reason it's not out is because Apple literally does not allow it to be out yet so hopefully we'll see it and then the full version in fall when I want to clear that up yeah yeah so wait so the rant is

it's not out yet the rant is that it's not a really well this is why I says not really a rant I'm just sort of clarifying because a lot of people are like A lot of people were thinking, is this another Apple walled garden approach of only letting the new Siri be magical with Siri or with Apple apps? And if you like, because I use Telegram a lot, right?

Yep. It can't pull any of my personal contacts from Telegram right now. Right. But if Telegram supports app schemas when iOS 27 officially launches, then I'll be able to pull messages from Telegram, personal contacts from Telegram, Google, Gmail, if Google supports it. we really need you to support this Google. If you do not support this series, like, semi-useless.

Just like how they put YouTube on the Applevision Pro. That's the thing. They did eventually. It sounds really funny to be like, no one cared. Hey, Google, please save Siri. Yeah, that's just the way you're saying. I know, I know, I know. Is it in Google's best interest?

I guess, okay, this is actually a real question. Yeah. Is Google so ubiquitous and powerful enough that it's actually better for them to not support this because it makes Siri worse and it makes you more likely to want to use a phone that it does work on? Or is it not powerful enough

and you're going, wow, Siri doesn't work with Gmail, let me switch to Yahoo Mail. Like, I think you're probably going to keep using Google services no matter what, right? So if it doesn't, if they choose not to support

all these Siri intents, what does that mean for users? Yeah, okay, so I talked to Matthew Castanelli about this. He was on the shortcuts team when it got acquired by Out. Apple, so he's like very well first in this stuff. And I asked him about this because I was like, hey, Gmail shows suggest, like they show

ads inside of Gmail when you open Gmail. So wouldn't Apple not be incentivized or wouldn't Google not be incentivized to allow Apple to just give you the information instead of opening the app? And he said, that's kind of true. But at the same time, Google is already planning for a future where ads that are shown in in front of you are not their main revenue driver. True. So he thinks that the experience benefit of the app having a good experience is going to be more important than actually opening the app in the future.

Now, that's probably a lot more true for smaller individual developers than it is for, like, Google who just wants to monopolize your eyeballs all the time. But they're still, I don't know, you got to weigh the pros and cons there. Yeah. I feel like if you're a smaller, more competitive developer, you have others who are in the same class. you, you're like, oh, I definitely want to support this because all my competitors will, and if I don't support it, people might not want to use my app. Yeah. But if you're Google, that

is an interesting place to come from. I hope they support it. I feel like there is a little bit of pressure on Google, though, to support it. Because if you have a bad experience in the Gmail app on iPhone, you'll probably just download a different mail app or whatever. Or you're not sitting there and being like, oh, my iPhone's broken.

Yeah. Why does I sound like an Australian? Very Australian. But, yeah, there's a lot. They're going to be like Google's being a pain of the neck right now. And also just like Google wants people on their services. If your services sucked on the hardware that 85% of Americans use, you're shooting yourself in the phone. Chances are they'll switch email apps before they switch phones.

Yeah. Well, they switch email services. The reason they can switch email apps is because email is an open protocol. Get the French horn. Get the French horn. Get the French horn. Bum, bum. So I will say, honestly, yeah, if Google doesn't support this stuff,

I would probably switch email apps. I'm not like that tied to the Gmail app. I just use it because I've always used it. Yeah. But if Siri could pull personal context from a different... From like Outlook or something. But okay, the thing is you're saying you're switching your app, but like I switch to Notion Calendar,

but Notion Calendar has to pull from Google Calendar the service. Right. So is Notion Calendar able to show those flags? I guess Apple, Apple... Okay, wait, calendar. If I do Calendar, for example. I mean, it would be... whatever calendar app supported the schemas.

I think calendar or mail, because you're just logging into your Google account on both of them. So it's being reflected on Apple. Like, it's not the main thing. Well, if you sync your Google Calendar to your Apple Calendar, yes. It's also a pull the data from the Apple Calendar app,

which doesn't always transfer correctly. Yeah. That's a whole other dimension that I'm not as an expert about. Like, I don't think it would, like, okay, I message, if I search for it in Siri, it has the entire history of all my I messages ever. Yeah. because they can just pull from that.

Yeah. But if I have Gmail, the app on my phone, that's not storing locally all of the emails I've ever had and all of the attachments I've ever had. Yeah. So it has the ability to go look that stuff up. Now, if I use a different email app, that's even less connected. That's now able to pull from Gmail the service, but it's not, it's storing probably even less locally than the Gmail app is.

But it could probably, Siri could probably do a thing where it searches within the email app and then pulls the context out and just surfaces it to you without actually like... And theoretically, that's the same level of access if it knows to go search the cloud. It should be because of beauty of protocols. Because of...

I hope so. Yeah. All right, I'm rooting for this protocol. To be fair. To be fair, email and calendar are like the worst examples of this because those are already open protocols and so you should be able to sync

those, your calendar and your email to Apple Calendar and Apple Mail anyway. Yeah, Photos is probably the better example. Photos is a good example. Google photos? Flights, I guess. Like WhatsApp is another one. Remember, you used to not even be able to have WhatsApp

on multiple devices at the same time. Yeah. So if you wanted to search your WhatsApp history from your iPad, it would be like, well, I don't know anything about WhatsApp because that's on your iPhone. So that's another one. Browser histories for freaking recipes.

That's the only place in my life where I need this. Do you know how annoying it is to be like, dude, I found the best Cheecheronis recipe ever, and you can't remember. You didn't save the, link and you just want to know how much lime juice to add. And so you got to... That's your...

Right now you have to use Siri if you want that data. You got to go back to Google finding. You got to click on a webpage. You got to scroll through some childhood story of going to the Dominican Republic. Just to get to the... How is it my fault? Because when you find a good recipe and you cook it and you know it's good, you immediately copy all of the important parts into a note somewhere.

No, no, no, no. Yes. Or a Google doc. When you find a good recipe and you make it and it's good, you go, num, num, num, num, num, num, And then you forget because you're full. That's a perfectly understandable experience. You didn't enjoy it enough then? No, I enjoyed it so much.

That I never want to forget it again. Oh my God. There's so many recipes where I'm like, You don't know if it's good enough to save until you eat it. So you have to eat it first. Exactly. And then make sure you're not sick the next morning. And then who knows?

I don't know. I save them. Or how many days are you going before you're like, oh, that was a good recipe four months ago. And now I have to find it. All the time. All the time. Yeah. You buy next time.

day you should at least be like, that was good. I should save that recipe. And then it's right there. No, no, no. This is why they're inventing the robots, Andrew. This is exactly why. If there was anything I really wanted AI for its terrible recipe websites. Maybe sorry, we'll pull from

browser history. We'll see. I mean, yeah, if you use Safari right now. If you use Safari specifically. And which one of us uses Safari? It's also your fault. Oh my God. Okay, wait. I do want to formally apologize to Ellis on the podcast because I have started using Safari again and it is a good browser.

That's, I never said it was a... I don't think Adam's opinions have any weight when he switches things every three months. Yeah. That's why I wanted to try it. I was like, you know, I haven't tried Safari in a long time. I'm always talking about it. Let me actually just try it. Next week.

It's not bad. Pickle browser is so much better than Safari. Pixel browser. Pickle browser. The pickle browser. I think you're talking about Dia. Come back to ArcVrivaldi. Arc Mobile is a solid browser.

ARC mobile solid. I still use it. Arc browser is that building they just found in Manhattan. That's true. It's a deep cut and potentially a deep collapse. All right. Cheez. Trivia.

Trivia. Trivia. Anyway, Google. Support this stuff because I want to use Siri. Also, just for the record. Just for the record. Yeah. I know how much lime juice to put it to each otherers.

It's more about the air fryer time. You know, I just can never. Because, like, there's the perfect, like, temp and time, and you're like, how much was that the last time? And it's not like, I'm buying a pork shoulder every week. Okay, this is, this is, anyway, guys, I'm in a pickle. I'm not in a pickle. I'm fine. But who said, I'm in a pickle.

That was pretty cool. It was an English writer. Yes, an English writer from England. Name an English writer. Does spelling count? No. Get it, Ann. It's pretty easy to spell Harry Kane.

I don't know what you're talking about. World Cup joke! He's an author with his foot. He writes foot poetry. Did you see him trying to talk after that game? He had like no voice. The best post voice. That was pretty awesome.

Although I wanted Mexico to win. I'm so excited to see what you guys wrote. I don't know any authors. You guys wrote the same one. That is interesting. That's the only, no. Literally the only thing I can think of. There's one other one.

Oh, and all I was... C.S. Lewis, J.R. Tolkien. There's plenty of people who are English writers. Marquez wrote J.J. Abrams. Is he English? I was trying to think of an author, and I was like, there's one that has like a J. something, something. He's a movie director.

I know this isn't an author. I couldn't think of J.R. whatever. It's bumblebee came down and said... Wait, is this right? I'm in a pickle guy. I don't know. Is this right? That is correct. Yes, Shakespeare.

I'm a pickle. Is it a Shakespearean turn of phrase from... All right to me. The play. He had, Romeo. I'm in a pickle. Othello. Hamlet.

Hamlet. Also, no, it's from The Tempest. I know what he knows about that. And he used it in a slightly different way. He's like a three-hit wonder. He used it in a different way? Was he physically in a pickle? Slightly different way.

He used it to say, here I can read you the exact quote. Thou art in thy pickle. And Trinculo is reeling ripe. Where should they? Find this grand liquor that hath gilded them. How canest thou in this pickle? Then Trinculo responds, I have been in such a pickle since I saw you last.

I fear me will never out of my bones. I shall not fear fly blowing. Which is Shakespearean English for saying, I drank so much alcohol that if I were to die, my body would be preserved and the flies could not grow macs on it. Yo, that's fire. Holy shit. This guy's good.

What a beggar. When you first read it, I was like, this is kind of trash. But now that you said the way it is today, that's pretty good. Now that you translated it for me. The fact that Marquez said he's a three-hit wonder. I heard that. Wow. Name four Shakespeare things.

Temes. Hamlet, Hamlet, Hamlet. Romeo. That's the other. Hamlet. And there you go. King. Wilts.

King Jordan. Oh, B. What's the? Wait, wow. I guess I can't name a four. Transformers. It's okay to be a three-hit wonder. That's cool.

It's better than... Midsummer Night's Dream. Boom. Four. Dude, before they had TikTok, people got good at stuff. It was crazy. Dude, before TikTok, people had hobbies.

It's crazy. Yeah, like writing. I know. I know. I don't know. Wait, this reminds me of something I want to tell you. So, you know the phrase,

don't cry over spilled milk. That's from Frankenstein. It's actually from Frankenstein's monster. That's the thing. No. I don't think Frankenstein. Monster said that. I don't think

Frankenstein's monster said that. Anyway. It was final jeopardy like two days ago. It was like, actually, it's Frankenstein's money.

The actual phrase is, the milk that is spilled cries not out afterwards. Ew. Yeah. Oh,

that's also a bar. I like that. Good job, Mary Shelley. I know. Don't. Solid. All right, let's dumb this down a bit.

Well, that's just the model. The LGG7 thing Q launched with what version of Android? hemoglobin ID Yeah Thou veins Will run through

Doubt camera That will twist Thou palm Andrew it's 17 today So Are we on 17 Quick update on to score While you guys write the answers

Marquez with 32 Andrew with 28 David with 33 Flip him and read What do you got Oh shoot Andrew No shot

you're both right again. This would be so tough. I don't think we're both right. It's terrible for the program. It might be nine. I was actually thinking nine, but 10 just seemed like. Andrew and I both wrote 10. You both wrote 10?

Yeah. Please, please, please. Guys, I was going to. Is it nine? Marquez, what did you say? I said 11. 11? Yeah.

It's nine. Nope. Is it nine? Android Oreo. 8.0. 8.0. Oh, wow. I was wrong either way.

Yeah, I'm glad I was more wrong. I am more happy about you being wrong than I am mad about me being wrong. Yeah. It's not only... That's too great for our reputation. It's the other shit booze. I just wouldn't have been able to say like two points. So 11?

2018. That's why I was reading 19. Jeez. Both was eight. It was eight, not 11. 2018. Yeah. I remember that because literally everything in my entire life happened in 2018.

For some reason. That was Andrew. They were born in 2018. Dude. Nine years ago. broke my foot on the great wall of China in 2020. Iowa would have been right after. Okay.

Just like the Mongols. Wait, so you knew the year you just counted wrong. I didn't count at all. I just knew to send it. I just guessed. I was distracted trying to do math and I didn't do it well. I was trying to do math, but then I realized that the math was my one hand has five fingers and my other hand has three and it was taking a long time to put them together.

Yeah. I was trying to remember because Google had me do like a, they gave me like an inside scoop about getting rid of the, um, the names of Android and just switching to 10. I did a whole like video thing about why they were doing it. And I just remember the Airbnb that I was staying in and I thought it was around 2018. That, wow. The, uh, it's called complex reasoning. That's some AI, that's level inferencing. Some opus 4.9 kind of, um, that's perfect when you can add a software notch to your phone. Software dot. Remember that? What?

Good old days. What? Phones would have either a notch or you could like cancel the entire top. Oh, my God. with software. Yeah. That's a throwback. Anyway, we'll end the nostalgia because clearly nostalgia's bad. Thank you for watching.

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I sniffed really bad when you started. I'm going to save Ellis from fixing that one later.