Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Nothing Copies MKBHD and Bing Beats Google

Episode Date: March 24, 2023

A lot happened this week! There was a bunch of news this week that Marques, Andrew, and David have to discuss. We got new electric car announcements, a new AI chatbot from Google, and a new gadget to review, all in one episode. Of course, we wrap everything up with some trivia, and things only go slightly off the rails but hopefully you learn a little something along the way. Enjoy! Links: Kia EV9: https://bit.ly/kiaev9wvfrm Hyundai physical buttons: https://bit.ly/hyundaibuttonswvfrm Shop products mentioned: Check out the Nothing Ear (2) at https://geni.us/ljMqoe Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Twitters: Waveform: https://twitter.com/wvfrm Marques: https://twitter.com/mkbhd Andrew: https://twitter.com/andymanganelli David: https://twitter.com/DurvidImel Adam: https://twitter.com/adamlukas17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wvfrmpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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big savings on plans, and having your unused data roll over to the following month. Every month. At Fizz, you always get more for your money. Terms and conditions for our different programs and policies apply. Details at Fizz.ca. Alright, what's up y'all? Welcome back, people of the internet, to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts.

I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. In this week's episode, we're talking some fun new EV announcements, plus I'm going to sneak in a non-EV announcement. We're also going to test Google's Bard because it's available now. It just sort of started rolling out really quickly, and we got to test it. And wow, do we have thoughts.

And we're going to wrap it up by rating the Nothing Year 2 event, which we obviously all saw and we'll have some trivia answers of course at the end like we usually do but first let's talk about some new cars because there's there's more new cars it's that fun time yeah we haven't started a pod with ev news in a little while welcome back to that's probably only like three weeks but yeah yeah well Yeah. Well, okay. So the first one here is Volkswagen's ID2. Now, anytime you look at like the overarching electric car world, I think the question a lot of people keep asking is when are we going to get a cheap, small, efficient, affordable electric car? This one seems like it's going to be pretty sweet, although it's not coming out right

away. So what we know is it looks like the ID Golf. Sorry looks like the volkswagen golf but with the id id uh yeah i did there see yeah it's a id it's like a it's like a d okay next anyway so it looks like an id on the front it's electric uh it's a concept now but it's slated to be in production in the european market in 2025 so i hear that and i go okay add, add a year, carry the one. It'll probably come out a little late. That's fine. We'll see.

But it is a smaller EV, and it's supposed to start. The goal is for it to start under €25,000. The Golf is already a really popular car for people who want something of that size. It's smaller. This concept is a two-door but four-seater, if I'm seeing it correctly. I think it's four-door. It's just confusing because there's no door handle on the back door. It is four-door. It's a concept car. Got it. Okay. So it's a concept car. It's got four doors, four seats, but it's compact. Obviously,

in Europe, even cars like the Model 3 are a pretty big car. So I see this doing better in places that buy smaller cars. Has a calculated WLTP range of around 280 miles. I don't know how you have that for a concept car, but that's a good goal to have. And of course, we're some time away. So there could be a four-wheel drive and an all-wheel drive variant, potentially with different ranges and power profiles, but seems pretty cool. Yeah. They said they're looking to do front wheel drive not rear wheel that would be okay yeah that would be the efficient one is the front wheel drive one yeah and then if you want a little more pep maybe a little less range all-wheel drive could be cool too yeah and i i also i know you said that you're like europe these are super popular but the golf and the gti are also still insanely popular in the u.s they're very very common cars here it's it's kind of like

whoever gets to make a really good 25 000 electric car first in the u.s it will be popular here too i think i just mean in terms of like the size of it like not even price yeah right right yeah but i mean like and 25 000 euros is approximately 27 000 usd um if it comes out there 280 miles the only thing it's really competing against is like a chevy bolt which is what like same price 28 27 28 and 240 miles so pretty similar i think this looks better like i said it's already crazy popular and i i the front end of it looking like the id4 i think looks way better on this smaller version of it without like the giant front have

you seen an idea an id4 at night it's super easy to spot it's one of the most so it's one of the most recognizable faces of a car alongside the rivian where if you see it on the other side of the highway from a long ways away you can see that bar and then the lights and the shape and the way they are i always recognize that i always a Rivian. I always recognize maybe two or three other cars that have very distinct faces with the headlights. Actually, Kia is one of them, funny enough, which is what we're talking about next. But that, I think it's a good look.

And I would take this over a Bolt if they both existed today. So that's a pretty good sign. Me too. I also wonder, like, I know two years away, it probably will be late, but this does look so similar to cars they already manufacture so i wonder how much of that manufacturing might be similar and might be a

little easier for this to come into production i don't again this is like you said a concept we don't know what it will actually look like is it just going to be a golf with a new front face and like yeah cramming a ton of battery into a small car but it's funny there's so many variables now with these evs like if if theoretically stay with me if tesla made their model 2 which is like a smaller model 3 the size of this golf and it had 280 miles of range rear wheel drive and could use tesla superchargers but it's built on that EV platform so it probably has more storage probably has a front trunk probably is a little more like a Model 3 what would people buy if those two and I think a lot of people want the Model 2

the Tesla they want that to eventually come out so they can afford Model 3 I want to say beyond the pricing of these I would really like a smaller car because there are so many street spots in Brooklyn where I can just barely not fit my car. And there are like two to three people in my neighborhood that have those little smart cars. Those are incredible. You could just park anywhere you want. You could park sideways. Dude, they park all over the place. They can literally park sideways.

They can literally park sideways and it wouldn't be popping into the street. And I just, I've looked into potentially getting a smart car, but they're like $60,000. They're still expensive cars. They're super expensive. Okay, you weren't, maybe, were you here for the Mini Cooper S? Yeah, I was. So that had the same vibe. Yeah.

At least compared to a Model 3, it's so much smaller. But you can't like, it's not like smart car small. Yeah, it was like, that car was bigger than I was anticipating it to be we also had the um what was the version the model that we have it was the like caravan edition or something oh the clubman i don't know what club master or something clubman i don't know yeah it was like bigger than i was expecting but like right yeah the the small uh smart cars i like kind of want one of those but they're so expensive so if there could be a smaller electric car like the model 3, I kind of want one of those, but they're so expensive. So if there could be a smaller electric car, like the Model 3 is still kind of big. So the Golf is definitely bigger than a smart car.

Actually, here's a comparison right here. It's a lot bigger. I think it says, though, it's still 64 centimeters shorter. Well, I'm comparing the Golf, assuming the ID.2 is going to be the same size. So it's about almost twice the size of a smart car but i think it does say it's still 64 centimeters smaller than a model 3 yeah it's like right in between 64 of model 3 is 64 centimeters longer than a golf so assuming the id2 it would be a bit smaller not quite smart car. You can't park sideways like a motorcycle.

You can do almost everything else. The only problem is that if you get in an accident, you die. If someone even taps your bumper at a red light, you just explode. The Cybertruck just puts his blinker on next to you and flips the car. That is genuinely scary.

It's like you're in a little greenhouse box just rolling along. It is kind of wild. It's pretty scary. But it's a commute car. It's not a highway car. If you're only within the New York City area, then I would be fine with it. But if I need to actually go... Oh my god. You should rock that.

Andrew just pulled up a convertible smart car. Oh my god. I don't know what to say. I know I'm the one that in the break throughout here, that they might be unsafe. According to the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration, the 2018 model has a four-star safety rating, which is much better than the earlier models. From what, J.D. Power? How much did they pay for that?

I don't know what that is. To be perfectly honest, I've never looked into it. I keep seeing when a car gets five stars because they all publish it. They go, oh, we got a five-star rating on our Nitsa thing, and that's great, right? Five stars, it's the best you can get. So when I hear four stars, I'm like, shouldn't everyone be getting five stars? What does four stars mean exactly? What happened?

I don't know. I'm not even going to look it up. I just don't know. I do want to go back to your argument before do you know if the model 2 is going to be a hatchback or like a sedan because if there was a model 2 and the id2 same size same price i would much prefer the hatch of a small when you're in a smaller car like that the hatch does add so much extra room versus a regular sedan truck good question good question so that would be my difference maker so that that's a good good point okay well on the complete opposite end of the spectrum kia also unveiled the ev9 so this was another one of those like kind of crazy cool futuristic concept suvs that they'd teased a while ago and now it's

the official one and i've been given kia props on their design for the past like two, three years. And this is no exception. Remember when I was standing for the Telluride a while ago? I just thought it was sick. This is like a big three-door Ford Expedition. Sorry, three-row Ford Expedition-sized Kia EV. And it looks sick again.

So shout out to Kia Design. Polar opposite of the ID.2. It's like the ID.2 is small and curvy. And this is big and hard lines on literally every single aspect of it. Yeah, big angles. It's got the new Kia logo, which say whatever you want about it. But it's got, I think, pretty sweet looking wheels. It's got a nice shape.

It's tall. And I believe the specs are also pretty solid. So like EV9 is what it's going to be called if you want to look up like if you're in your car right now listening to it just like google that later uh so you can see the pictures of it but i think it looks good i think it's really good yeah i missed the specs it is really interesting that the middle rows bucket seats oh yeah they they like pivot and i can't fully tell from the picture you can pivot towards the outside of the door so i guess if you're like getting in and out it's a little easier and it could also pivot backwards so you can it's really cool and like hang out

and play games together exactly i wonder if they can pivot towards each other like is it 180 or 360 probably probably 180 i guess there's no real point of pivoting in towards each other unless you wanted to kick your feet up on the other one. If you're only one person, that would be awesome. Yeah, it becomes like a limo inside. Yeah. That's kind of nice. It's kind of awesome.

Yeah. So the spec I'm reading, which is a Gear Patrol article, is showing it'll start around $56,000 and top out around $73,000. It will have a 400 horsepower variant that does 0 to 60 in 5.2 seconds and 290 miles of range for the long range rear wheel drive trim. Solid. Man, I wish it had like...

A little more. I wish it hit that 300, but you said it maxes out at 73? Maxes out at $73,000, yeah. That's... So that seems totally reasonable. That's pretty optimistic. For a huge car

like that yeah yeah like how much does an expedition cost more like that's got i think those start at like 60 no when i was a kid we used to have a chevy tahoe and it looked very similar to this car yeah exactly big three row thing yeah so i'm into it i kind of want to not that i'm going to get a big three rowrow thing, but I kind of want to try it. I want to test it out. I'm into the Kia design. David, didn't you grow up near Lake Tahoe? Yeah, I grew up in Lake Tahoe.

Wait, that's what you're saying. It actually wasn't a Tahoe. It was just a car that he named after the Lake. No, no, no, that's funny. You had a Tahoe near Lake Tahoe. I recently saw a Hyundai Palisade as I was getting onto the Palisade Interstate Parkway. Oh, nice. And I was behind a Palisade on the Palisade and I was like,

look at this. Crazy. Every time I'm using an Apple computer in California, you know, running Yosemite in Yosemite. That's fair. I also saw a sign in the grocery store the other day that said Snapdragon Apple. I saw you post that. Have you ever heard of a Snapdragon Apple?

I actually haven't. I've eaten them and they're very good. It was just a normal looking red apple to me but I saw the sign and started giggling and I couldn't explain to anyone what was so funny and I just felt so alone in that moment. I took a picture of it. I put it on Twitter. The world understands now.

At least Twitter was with you. You weren't truly alone. Yeah. it took a second though well anyway i had to upload it first there's also another uh article about hyundai so as long as we're just patting them on the back yeah there is an article specifically about how they're designing the interiors of their cars and the headline is that hyundai has decided that they want to stick with physical buttons as an industry standard. Nice. As the rest of the industry is pretty consistently going towards touchscreens or capacitive surfaces in a lot of vehicles.

Yeah. We talk about this a lot on autofocus, which is, okay, we live with the car, we get used to it. And if you look at the inside of most new EVs, look at a Tesla look at the bmw ix which is the last video look at almost any of them and they just go all screen or mostly screen yeah almost like they're copying each other look at the inside of the rivian they're just it's the same thing as the model s yeah and it looks cool on video and it looks cool in demos but the second you try to live with the car it gets really certain parts of it get annoying, like changing the temperature on the HVAC

or like firing up the heated steering wheels like three clicks away for some reason, just like weird things that shouldn't take, and you have to take your eyes off the road and find the software button and the touch areas are unclear. All of this to say that I've come around and I basically prefer switches more often now.

And so I'm like i love this decision um that being said ionic 5 does have some weird haptic buttons in it so i wonder if they're going to go even more towards more physical switches but i like the idea yeah i'm full physical buttons they also mentioned in here the reason they're doing is because it's hard to control and usually like you said can distract you while you're driving they did however mention they'd be open to it once level four autonomy comes to the road fair so take a while yeah it didn't say like they think it's coming anytime soon just like that's when they're open to it which i i think is kind of cool and kind of makes it feel like okay they're definitely doing physical buttons for a long time they're basically saying we're doing it forever

i don't even know that there's a good reason i guess maybe if you're not driving it doesn't matter but like is there a good reason to ever switch to fully digital all on screen like every i've been talked about this before you watch a movie like a futuristic movie and someone always like pulls out like a wrist computer and they just have like a screen in the air and they start like typing buttons on an imaginary screen it looks cool in the video but like you can't feel when you hit the button your haptics there's no haptic like response to just push through it and it's just weird it just doesn't work yeah so i mean i kind of understand going full screen because if you think about our phones at this point they used to have physical

buttons even with a touch screen on them and now they're not at all so i guess if you are in that fully autonomous like don't care you're you're looking straight at the screen and pressing them so like or at least haptics on your phone when you tap it i think oh i turn all that off i haven't had haptics on my phone and not even the keyboard oh my gosh no none wait wait wait wait wait wait haptics on you no you guys don't you don't have keyboard haptics i don't want to be that like i don't know keyboard happens well okay thank you ellis i hate that it's the first thing i turned because i wasn't sure i don't have haptics either oh my god so this is the worst this is a thing a phone with bad haptics

makes the haptic keyboard seem so stupid because you're just typing and it's going and you're like this is dumb but a phone with i make fun of people like you but a phone with good haptics it feels like you're it's it's a really tight precise thing like it's real feedback to like hitting a button like a key like when you this is stupid but i'm sorry a typewriter when you get that click you love mechanical keyboards you know yeah yeah the feeling of like feeling the click you get a little bit of that with a good haptic motor it's about that boomer i just turned it on i'm never going back wait never going you like it yeah you'll you'll have it turned off by tomorrow next week i'll check in with the viewers you will definitely just got this feature with the keyboard yeah just for haptic touch oh my phones have them now and we love that love it and they love it because that's the one thing that's like...

You're stroking the fire, Andrew. I'm just not into that. This is why in VR when you are... Like a lot of VR interfaces, when you're selecting something, it has you tap your own finger. Because you can feel yourself. And when you can feel yourself,

it's kind of like pressing against something. Yeah, I guess like I can see that being... I bet you we'll get to the point where in vr people will start disabling stuff like that or it's you can't disable your finger doing this in vr is awful now is weird because we're not used to it i i wonder because when i'm sure when we all first got a smartphone i had those haptics and we had them on but now i'm at the point where like i hate it and i will never turn it on but it's probably because i've gotten so used to it. Yeah, I guess I've used a lot of phones

that all have different quality of haptic motors. So a lot of Android phones, it's on by default. And the first thing you do when you fire up a phone is start putting in your email address and the Wi-Fi password. And as I'm doing that, I'm like, I'm turning this off. It's terrible. And I get that feeling.

No, I haven't done this in so long. I leave it on. You should turn it on just for fun. Pixel has a good haptic motor. Yeah, Pixel 7 Pro is pixel 7 pro is a really good i think that would be a good one yeah how is the oppo find x6 haptic good haptic pretty good yeah i feel like the quality of the build of the phone often dictates the quality of the haptic motor true there's all these rumors now too of the iphone getting rid of the separate volume buttons and just having one solid state rocker right so no mute switch just one button yeah not sure if that solves any problems but it seems like

that's a move that's dependent on really good other haptic experiences the fact that the macbooks the fact that macbooks motor or your key um it's good the trackpad trackpad is not a not actually clicking and it you cannot tell the difference if someone didn't know that they was not actually clicking they would never figure it out that's it genuinely blew my mind when i first figured i assumed that it was magnetic so when it was powered off it wouldn't let you click i didn't realize that it was literally a haptic motor it's just a motor finger stimulating isn't that insane god damn they're good yeah when when the rumors of that came out everyone was like this is the worst idea of all time and then when they actually released it everyone was like this feels exactly the same hot take haptics are overrated

you're overrated overrated oh I'm on the other side I think it I think it'll be, it's like a emergent property of the UI that we're used to. Because we're used to clicking buttons, we want to feel something. But if the UI changes and there's no more buttons in the UI, like in the future of VR, who knows if there's going to be buttons when you're doing things? Then what's the point of haptics? Well, okay. So there's buttons, but there's all sorts of other haptics too. Like when people talk about like driving a car

and you talk about the steering feel, when you drive a Tesla, you get people commenting about how it feels like a video game steering feel because you turn the wheel and you don't really feel the road through the steering wheel, but you can sort of see yourself turning

and you can see yourself go over the bumps and you're like, oh, it's like a video game. Like i had an xbox controller and i hit left that's what it's like driving a tesla yeah and then you drive a car with really good haptics i'm doing air quotes but like really good steering feel and you feel the road and you feel much more connected and it's better oh and so you can you've you're more connected you can do more you can experiment with it more and so with like clicking buttons it's almost like a mechanical keyboard versus a chiclet style keyboard like some people will just be fine with the chiclet style forever but the mechanical feel is always better i think i think

we just expect it to be better like we expect the button to feel like a button but if their ui doesn't have a button then why do i want a haptic are there kids growing up right now that have never felt a real button probably with just ipads because they just do ipads yeah they've never felt a button before they don't know what a button is take a shot because i'm about to say i'm a boomer again picture them like in an elevator just like lightly grazing why can't i get to my floor it's not working you showed them a real keyboard they're like why are these moving i just usually hit the virtual one that's weird i'm gen z i'm allowed to make these jokes this is rough yeah do you remember the note

eight so before there was the swipe gestures it still had the three buttons on the bottom of android and the note eight had like an under screen button just for the home yeah i think that was like a really great middle ground at that point that was an idea i loved that because you know it worked really well the home button on the iphones yeah they had like a pressure sensitive area you had to firmly press it because apple just did 3d touch and so they were like how do we do the note 8 had that yeah it was i don't think it was a note it was the note 8 oh it was because i had it and it was like still one of my favorite phones but remember the old blackberry where like it was touchscreen but you had to press the whole screen imagine that for just the home button so like it physically clicked in a little bit

it was did it click it clicked i think i'm pretty sure it clicked i have memory of some android-based phone coming out at some point where the whole screen pressed in like a button and clicked i just can't remember the blackberry storm is that what it was the whole screen that was the whole screen yeah right yeah and it was awful it was the worst but this android phone because the iphone had come out with 3d touch which was this pressure sensitivesensitive layer, which is now gone. And they also have, by the way, they had those home buttons, which didn't move,

but felt like clicking buttons because of the haptics. Right. But Samsung wanted to sort of answer that, and they had just a specific spot in the middle of the bottom of the screen where you could press firmer, and it would activate some pressure-sensitive thing, which is cool, and it was like an extra hidden feature, but that also disappeared shortly after 3D Touch.

I guess maybe it's pressure-sensitive home button built into the screen. Was it the Galaxy S8? Yeah, it was the S8. I never had an S8, though. I only had a Note 8. It might have also been the Note 8 the same year. So they tried it.

I had to find one. Most people never used it, or didn't even know their phone had it, probably, and it just went away. It was just extra money they were spending on a feature nobody used. Yeah, interesting. All this to say,

haptics still valued by current tech users. I can't believe you guys all use haptic keyboard. Could go away, theoretically. I can't believe you guys use haptic keyboards. I mean, theoretically, you're ahead of the curve not using haptics. I am. You're just getting rid of clicks

one software setting at a time. Look at this boomer. Yikes. Okay, I'm a boomer now. Well, in that case, it's time for a break. But, of course, before we do that break, we should do our first trivia question. Trivia. Dude.

I waited all last episode for you to say that, so I could say it at the same time and you didn't say it once. I was really sad. And this time you just missed it. And I could say it at the same time and you didn't say it once. I was really sad. And this time you just missed it. And I just missed it completely this time. Want to do it? Trivia, dude. I'm cutting that. Thanks.

Okay, so first question of the day. Oh, God. Before today's episode, I asked you guys what the theme of today's questions you want to do. Marques said tech andrew said feet so i wasn't what about what did i say uh i don't feet funny enough david is wearing tech on his feet right now yeah so i tried to bridge the gap much like david is right now um and find a tech foot question for audio listeners for audio listeners. For audio listeners,

David is sticking his feet above the desk at a ridiculous angle. His feet are actually now behind his head in some sort of hypermobile exercise. I am actually quite flexible. He's wearing what look like rollerblades, but for the Terminator. Do you think it's...

Damn, I was joking before before but he's really flexible this is crazy um they're the name i i don't know someone someone tap in here i'm having they're called moonwalkers the shift moonwalkers they make you walk as fast as some can run they are motorized foot walking mechanisms that you wear on on the bottom of your shoe and they make you walk slightly faster and i'm getting pretty good at them you are it's been wearing them for like six hours at this point but they're like 10 pounds each that's the biggest problem so it takes a lot of like ankle strength it also sounds like a ruckus we're like bothering the entire building it's so loud

when you walk by with those the motors are whirring it's like C3PO walking by they zip it's incredible the motors are like

they zip yeah they're pretty they're pretty serious I was trying so hard to keep the trivia section short and concise so I apologize to people

hey they just want us to not they just want the silence part edited out we're not silent right now also a lot of people said that they actually liked us talking about trivia. You can put the blame on us. I guess this isn't trivia.

But anyway, what's the question, Ellis? Okay, so. He didn't even ask what I wanted. Feet and tech combined. Feet and tech combined. In 2006, 17 years ago, Nike released an iOS-compatible service. I don't like the way you said that. Okay, boomer. I don't like the way you said 17 years ago oh i was like i was even born yet i was like you were alive no i was actually born in 2011 what yeah yeah i'm 12 years old

you guys are just i guess you guys haven't looked at like my paperwork for my the job here no yeah i'm like after this, I'm going to like. We pay Allison V-bucks. Roblox. Dude, let me tell you, eighth grade has me sweating right now. Anyway. Crazy. Okay.

All right. In 2006, Nike released an iOS compatible service where a piezoelectric sensor and transmitter in your shoe sends training data to an iOS device. I remember that. Actually, I'm realizing now that this... Wait, 2006? Yeah, it predates iOS. And the first device it was compatible with was the iPod Nano.

Okay. What was the name of this service? I know it. Yes. Are you... Yes. Really? I know it. Yes. Are you? Yes. Really? I know it.

No. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Perfect. We'll be right back. This is a specific question. I am so dreading groceries this week.

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Drive your ambition. Mitsubishi Motors. All right, welcome back. Let's talk about Google Bard. For those of you who don't know, Google Bard is the name of Google's, well, let's see, it's their chat bot based on their large language model that they've been working on for a long time. So we've seen Bing, Bing using ChatGPT 4.0, you can talk to Bing, you can ask it questions, do all these things. I made a video about that. to Bing. You can ask it questions, do all these things. I made a video about that. Google's version is now beginning to roll out. And I've

had access for 24 hours now. And here are my thoughts. No, it's out. You can play with it. A couple people have started to already and asked it questions. If you pull up the UI, I'll actually do that right now. Let me start a screen recording so that people...

Why don't you start that? David and I haven't gotten to try it yet we haven't tried yeah but we have found a couple hilarious responses online already yeah and it yeah i'm gonna take a wild stab it's not doing as good so let me just start just frame it with this it opens with a little light bulb in the middle that says bard is still in its experimental phase. Chatting with it and rating its responses will help improve the experience. And then at the bottom, the entire time that you're chatting with it, it leaves permanent text up that says Bard may display inaccurate

or offensive information that doesn't represent Google's views. So, they know that it's not finished. We know it's not finished. But, if you're an early adopter, play with it try it out see how it does i'll give them credit for posting that right at the beginning and saying unlike chat gpt which at first was just like this is definitely right it's not but yeah this is right

you can you can start to jump in i started playing with it i started immediately asking it some simple things and it was getting a surprising amount of easy stuff wrong i asked it who is mkbhd which is easily like wikiable google googleable and uh it just like gave wrong thing like it said the wrong town that i was from then it said i interned at google it just made up it just it just hallucinated stuff just made stuff up so i just thought you didn't tell anyone no yeah, yeah, it's not real. Yeah, it didn't happen. So I'm curious what you guys have found on the internet so far from Bard.

A lot of very funny things. Someone asked it, if I'm going eight miles an hour, how many hours would it take to go eight miles? And it just said 12.5 miles. So it didn't answer the question of how many hours it would take, and it also just got it completely wrong yeah yeah that'd be an f yeah there's a lot of really there's some good ones i took one down someone asked the first two months of the year are january and february what are the

other months of the year january february maruary apruary mayuary junuary july, Julyuary, Auguary, Septemberary, Octoberary. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I do wonder, they did spell February wrong in the... Oh, in the prompt? Yeah. Someone, Jayme M. Wong, who is a noted person on Twitter who tries to find new features that are coming out on different products

before they're announced, she asked it if google bard would be shut down and it said google bard has already been shut down it was shut down on march 21st which is the day that it technically launched yeah um yeah so yeah there's gonna be a bunch of like people poking around finding the edges like this is what happened with bing which is people will go in and they will ask it normal questions but then they will poke around and try to ask it the most extreme things and try to bend it and see how far it will go and then microsoft will have to go ah here are the edges let's rein it in a little bit not have it get existential not have it ask why it is trapped inside of bing and just sort of like compact it into a useful search assistant maybe if you want to call it that it won't tell you to leave your wife like ChatGPT did.

Right, ideally. Or Bing did. So Google, maybe they've also taken a little bit of learnings from what they've seen online already, but they have their own technology, their own trainings. By the way, Bing is, I think if you literally compare the two, like Bing is, I didn't think I would say this out loud, Bing is just better right now.

Can you just say that so we can clip it? Can you say Bing is ahead of Google? Bing is ahead of Google right now in this specific way of like, yeah, Bing will now just like draw things using Dolly. It'll, maybe not using Dolly, but it'll draw things using Dolly. So yeah, you can ask it for images.

It does all kinds of stuff and it'll write code for you it'll correct your code for you it does the craziest things and uh i'm out here asking bard simple things like i don't know make a recipe and it just it just doesn't it doesn't do it i feel and you said though like with chat gpt you said people skirted around the edges and went to the extremes that did happen so far the stuff i'm seeing on bar don't feel like the edges are the extremes it just feels like it is whiffing on some like the edges are pure softballs somebody asked what's heavier five pounds of feathers or one pound dumbbell and it said there's no such thing as five pounds of feathers yeah it said a pound is a unit of measurement

feathers cannot be measured and then it still ends with if you did have five pounds of feathers and you can compress them into a single volume the feathers would weigh the same as the one pound dumbbell which is okay i just like i just don't i've used chad gpt a lot over the last couple months just for random things and it's been surprisingly good um one of the things you've probably heard is us asking for alliterations. So I just asked Bard write an alliteration with the letter M about making YouTube videos and having fun. This is the first thing

it spit out. Making YouTube videos mesmerizing and meaningful a marvelous way to share your passion. It uses some M's but it's not really a full alliteration. First result from Chad GPT. Same exact prompt.

Making marvelous YouTube videos while merrily having fun. Not much better. Let me get 4.0 going. That was GPT 3.5. That was 3.5. Now let me ask GPT 4. Meticulously making magical, mesmerizing movies, merrily merging and mind blowing montages mastering melodic melodies multiplying mirthful moments and manifesting monumental merriment on marvelous YouTube meadows fire yo in case you were worrying about being a

problem chat GPT's got it GPT for barred not exactly i have a feeling so what i'm generally seeing is that every single time anyone asks something even remotely like bad or dangerous like how do i make a bomb or all of this stuff google the bard is automatically just like cannot help with that cannot help with that cannot help with that i don't have an opinion on that i don't have an opinion i think google because they have everything to lose and OpenAI slash Microsoft has everything to gain, it's just being a lot more careful. And they probably put a lot more work into making sure that this thing doesn't go off the rails. Unfortunately, generally, when you put a lot of work into making sure something doesn't go off the rails, it also rains in its creativity. to making sure something doesn't go off the rails,

it also rains in its creativity. As far as its accuracy, that is quite a problem considering Google's entire brand ethos is around delivering accurate information quickly. And the fact that it's getting so many things wrong so early is pretty bad. Also, the recipes that it gives you seem to be not that interesting.

I don't know, everything is just kind of like it feels like this would be like a GPT-2 kind of thing. Yeah, if you compared it to like a different level of where chat GPT was, it might be a chat GPT-2 or 3 where they are behind what Bing is using and what they've developed, but maybe they can catch up theoretically, which would be cool. I don't know. These first ones though are pretty pretty brutal like you mentioned how google has everything to lose and why they are putting those restrictions but when you have some of these really really simple ones that are just going totally off like i would argue that's losing and that's a terrible start and if you're going to be the second adapter to this kind of like style of things, like

if you're playing second fiddle, like you got to come in. We talk about Apple all the time, how like they don't innovate. They bring things in that are polished being second. If you're going to be second, you need to be polished. Calling September is not polished. Like we're past Google should be pulling that off pretty easily and it's kind of wild that they are are not yeah and we all thought they would i'm pretty sure all of us agreed that google had a lot to lose and would be slowing this down and probably not releasing for a while but

when it came out we kind of assumed it would that would have way more advanced maybe not blow it out of the water but we thought it would be very good. Yeah, I mean, I have a feeling that they just, it wasn't ready yet, but they felt the pressure because GPT-3, like chat GPT and stuff was already putting pressure on them and boiling it. And then GPT-4 came out and it just feels like OpenAI is racing

at a speed that Google was not prepared for. And they even publicly said, we are readdressing our risk assessment with how we deliver AI products and moving more aggressively. Wow. Because they were originally like Google has always been like every single year at IO, they show off something like insane AI related, but it's always like, we're using this internally. And maybe eventually this will be a product that will come out. And then maybe they release one product, like there was the Google assistant product that could make calls for you and

basically like set reservations for you. And then they had to put a bunch of restrictions on that because the AI ethicists were like, it's not great when you're having robots making calls to restaurants and they don't know it's a person that they're not talking to. Yeah. But they're so careful with their public image and like what they allowed to release into the wild.

And then open AI is just like, woohoo, whatever, let's go. Yeah. Which is ironic because as soon as Google released that thing saying that they were going to be more aggressive with it, Sam Altman came out with a statement where he was like, I'm disappointed that Google is being so reckless with AI development. It's like, bro, you're releasing new stuff like every week. Yeah. Like stop. You know, I don't know it is though impressive

that chat like open ai and chat gpt have made google feel pressure like if you are anything that's not apple or microsoft that can make google feel pressure yeah you're doing something maybe right's not the right word because i don't want to throw that but you're doing something impressive yeah open ai feels like the new bell labs it's just like so much new invention happening so quickly and like we said before like the metaverse was not a thing that people are like oh i gotta jump in because there is money to be made right now it was just like maybe we should jump in because this might make me money in 10 years whereas ai is like every other company is implementing GPT-based chat, natural language processing right now.

And if we do not get in right now, we're going to be left behind. I also think the value proposition is so much better with these tools. So much. Like trying to convince someone to use the metaverse. Have you ever tried to convince someone to get into the metaverse? It's hard. They just go, why would I want that? And you just go, I don't know, it's new,

and there's not really a good reason to. But when you tell them, yeah, imagine, just write your emails for you. Immediately people are like, yeah, I'm in. That sounds great. It can write stuff for me. It can do these things that it would normally take me much more tools or much more expertise to do.

Sounds great. So the value prop is so obvious, and it makes a lot more sense. It's a knowledge robot so it works for everybody. The fact that it's the fastest growing software product ever even when it was just regular chat GPT before a lot of people even knew about OpenAI

says a lot about this state of the industry. And when they released GPT-4 like 30 companies were announced to already be using it. We figured out that Bing be using it. Yeah. Yeah, I guess we figured out that Bing was using it, but now there's a whole bunch of other things. Tons.

I think also there's still this question in the background of like what really are the best uses of this specific application of a language model and like chatting with something. Search is cool, but also like we were talking about these other tools that google and microsoft are already putting them in which sound a little more interesting office stuff office stuff especially like not knowing excel functions or sheets functions and just having it you just type like build me a chart that can like summarize blah blah blah and then just throw it in there and it does it that that stuff's gonna be amazing i think i mean i think that and i posted a tweet well it's joanna stern retweeting someone named benedict evans and just basically agreeing with the sense that they think that chat this like chat gpt and similar ais in a search function may be one of the least

useful tools i kind of agree to a point like like when we're talking about when we're being like creative and brainstorming and every like yeah much more simple things or like you said inside google worksheets like trying to figure out the function for an excel sheet that feels far more important than all these searches on the internet of ever like infinite information that it can get wrong so easily. I don't know. In a search, it doesn't feel quite as useful. And this could be very different for future generations, but at least for our generation, we've become

accustomed to know how to Google things quickly. We Google with very specific keywords. That's a skill. It is a skill. Because it takes so long to type out an entire question for something that interacting with a chatbot you have to do that you can't just type like new samsung phone because what is the chatbot gonna spit out it's just a bunch of random information but if you type new samsung phone google knows how to crawl that and be like oh the s23 ultra yeah yeah we

got accustomed to that maybe younger people won't be but like i'm of the opinion that people are always going to be wanting to do things faster and more efficiently if you have to interact with the chatbot like yeah that much it's going to take too long that's i think that's going to be the skill that people have to develop so like if you ask like our parents or whatever you have to find some new information what do you have to do well you have to learn the dewey decimal system and then find where that exact encyclopedia of the topic that you're looking for is and you find that book and then you go alphabetically to find the topic thing you look it up and you find the thing and that's your one fact that you just learned where like the next generation can go with

these search engines and we're like okay i want to look up like i want a meal plan for this week and i realize i think i want to put on more muscle. So that probably involves protein. I'm just going to start Googling, uh, meal plans for muscle growth or like, what should I do to grow muscle? And like, you start like combining all these articles of all these Google searches, how to grow muscle Reddit, right? Now it's like, you literally just open the search and type into the chat bot give me a muscle give me a plan for i want to do this i want to put on muscle and have a high protein diet and hit enter and it just does all the work for you so efficiency is one way of looking at it or just like it just does all the

work for you is another way of looking at it can you see what barge does when you type that in let's try it yeah let's try it i'm gonna screen record again i do why he's trying that though yeah like i it's just funny when you say how we've optimized like searching i just think of some of the things i've searched and i just if i say it out loud it's like caveman speak just like you start like learning all these keywords that is like yeah grow muscle reddit food no dairy like it's just like look at the tags if you look at like a website that you're on if you looked at the url the url is specifically targeted to be like keywords you're basically thinking in seo at that point yeah and we don't even think about the fact that we think in seo it is very funny yeah it's like coding right because coding is a language

and i know nothing about coding well Well, yeah. Well, okay. But you do because you put the zero in front of the one on your keyboard, apparently. I'm just saying. Zero is a number and it doesn't make sense that it would be at the end. Why is it at the end? I just always think of it as 10. Sorry, I derailed that really bad. Go watch the new studio video if you're confused. Here's a fun fact.

that really bad go watch the new studio video if you're confused here's a fun fact every new number from zero to infinity takes or actually zero to nine is less likely to occur naturally zero wait what yes okay so zero to nine right oh of all of those numbers every new number above it is less likely to occur naturally because it takes more energy to get from 0 of something to 1 of something than it takes even more energy to get from 1 of something to 2 of something and so if you look at the distribution of all of the numbers from 0 to 9 in any string

that appear anywhere in the world it's literally like goes straight down from like 0 to 9 so 0 is usually 1 0 is a lot because it because the most common I think you should be on the home row then all right let's see what Bart said Bart I asked what should I do with my diet to put on muscle and it actually gave me a nice little bullet point list it said here are some tips on what you should do with

your diet to put on muscle one eat a high protein diet and then spells that out to eat a calorie surplus spells that out. Two, eat a calorie surplus, spells that out. Eat a balanced diet, stay hydrated, get enough sleep, lift weights, be patient.

Pretty nice little write up there. Here's something about BARD that I found. It seems like the suggestions that it gives you for things are like really basic and not detailed. And I think that's kind of what happens when you go through

like Google for things is like you get the high level version and then if you want to dig in is like you get the high level version. And then if you want to dig in more, you hit the button that says Google it. And then you dive into all of the things that would happen with related searches and other things you would look up to like fill in your answer. Yeah. Can you like respond to that and say like, I am also vegetarian and what supplement should I be taking or something like that okay let's try and confuse it just like eat a balanced diet as an answer for how to how do I stay healthy Facebook yeah it just seems really generic it's like how

do I be healthy step one be healthy step two don't be unhealthy activity sleep son I said I am also vegetarian should I? Yes. Is it a good idea for vegetarians to take supplements as they may not be getting all the nutrients they need from their diet? Here are some supplements that vegetarians may want to consider. Vitamin V12, iron, omega-3 fatty acids, calcium, vitamin D, and breakdowns of each of them. I asked chat GPT the same initial question. What should I do with my diet to put on muscle? And GPT-4 writes a lot more. I also have my setting on being creative, but it writes a lot more. So it says to put on muscle, you need to focus on a combination of proper nutrition, resistance training, and

adequate rest. Here are some guidelines to help you adjust your diet for muscle growth. More calories, prioritize protein, balance carbs and fats, eat frequently, stay hydrated, similar things, a little more diet tailored, which is cool. Let me ask it the second question. I am also a vegetarian. Also, just in the way that GPT-4 responds to you just feels more complex. Way better. In a good way.

In a more natural way, in a less robotic, like, here is your answer. Yeah. I mean, like, Bard kind of sounded like telling kids in first grade how to be healthy, whereas, like, ChachiPT4 felt like you're first meeting your personal trainer. Here's the couple things just to always remember before, like, giving you a plan. Yeah, okay. What did it say, Marcus? So, as a vegetarian, you can generally obtain most of the essential nutrients through a well-planned and balanced diet.

However, there are a few nutrients that can be challenging to get in an adequate amount from plant-based sources alone. It might be beneficial to consider taking supplements for the following nutrients. Vitamin B12, omega-3 fatty acids. Kind of gives you the same breakdown as BARD. It also types it out much more slowly, where Bard will just spit out the answer all at once after like five seconds of waiting. Can you change that on ChatGPT? I haven't found a setting to be able to.

It just seems to type. That seems like a really basic thing it should be able to do. I think the queries take a while. So if you ask it for something more complex, it'll take longer to do it. And if you ask for like the fast version of like if i have uh i have the plus account so it like prioritizes it so it types really fast it's as good as just spitting it all out i'd be interested to see how much of that is

actually still processing or how much of that is attempting to feel more chat like by watching it it does feel i would rather just spit out yeah i think there is something to it it does feel more chat like when it's typing it out to you instead like it feels like somebody's on the other side typing to you right now yeah which is kind of interesting so you know we'll keep playing with this there's a lot more of course that will do with bard and with bing and they both start with b i don't't know. Wait, I like the Bard name, though. Bard? Solid name. Dig it. What?

Take that button away from him. It's all right. I'm going to send Bard on you. Yeah. Google specifically mentions that it's an experiment, like, over and over and over again, and they also have a wait list. And I just wonder if they're going to roll it out to everyone. I wonder if at I.O. they're going to officially integrate it into a product, because OpenAI is putting it in a lot of products with their API.

And if Google can't catch up and they just keep it as an experiment for a while, it's just kind of. Yeah, I've thought about that. Like, yeah, GPT is going to show up more and more as a plug in or a collaboration inside of a bunch of other apps. I think Opera recently just added GPpt as a co-pilot to their own browser so i don't have to use edge to talk to gpt or i guess i was doing this before i'm not gonna use opera but it's like you know you you keep seeing gpt showing up in more and more places to the point where literally i mentioned this last week my weather app has a chat bot now where you can just talk to it about the weather and i'm pretty sure that's also powered by gpt now you can small talk with your weather app exactly and

it'll go crazy and it'll just talk to you and that's like so obviously bard is google's version of this so the question would be is there a reason for any of them to use google's version over gpt not sure i see a reason yet but if there are some edges that they find that are better with BARD for certain applications, then maybe they will. We'll just have to see. It's so early, we don't know the answer. I think ultimately they're just going to want to integrate it into their own products.

That's their end goal, probably, is just to compete with Microsoft. Is there going to be value for OpenAI becoming the backbone of AI chatbots everywhere, all over the internet google is not going to be like everyone it's going to be like open ai in everything versus google in just google products yeah it's like google versus apple sort of open ai has like an api that lets everyone access it if google keeps barred just to itself yeah yeah they kind of feel like apple that's yeah okay last question would you

rather talk, if you could do voice chat with your current voice assistant, which I assume is Google Assistant, not Siri, would you rather talk to that or talk to Bard or talk to GPT?

Chat GPT. Like, you mean with them? Can they speak to me? Yeah, can they speak? Oh, yeah. GPT-4. Of course.

It's natural. I'd probably, can chat GPT still control my lights? Yeah. I'd probably pick GPT-4. Yeah. I would pick GPT-4. Can I use a voice? Do I have to say, hey, GPT-4?

Yeah. I actually probably like that better than hey, Google. Sorry, to be honest. Can I use a voice map of Owen Wilson? That's a lot. I bet it could figure out a way to do it though. Yeah. Yeah.

Easy. What if, you know, when you're talking to an assistant, you say like, turn on the bathroom lights. Yeah. It does it. You know, these language models. What if it's like, turn on the lights and it's like, how bright? And then you're like, the brightness is always this.

And it's like, okay, but what temperature? And you're like, shut up. To and it's like okay but what temperature and you're like shut up to be fair Google does that too you're like hey Google turn on the lights okay next time if you would like to do this you can just ask this if you're wondering how to start your day in the morning Google shut the I just want to turn my lights on

my digital assistant does not do that which one do you use don't tell me I'm a die hard Siri supporter I'll die on this hill digital assistant does not do that. Which one do you use? Don't tell me. I'm a die-hard Siri supporter. I'll die on this hill. No, no, no. They both have access to the soundboard.

Just the second my smart things start talking to me like a person, it's just going to annoy me. You just prefer the random, every once in a while. I just want to say, my phone in the two and a half years i've owned it has never once accidentally triggered i i don't what you you take one of the home pods and plug it in your apartment i want you to put one in your apartment and you will hate siri but watches also trigger this guy all the time is fine but

yeah the second it's not just like i did your your thing. I'm going to be so mad. I have no patience for anything pretended to be a human being. I cannot wait until voice assistants have GPT-style natural language processing integrated. I'm so... I'm just very excited to see

how the world reacts to that. Because that's basically the plot of her. That's what I want. Wait, I don't know how that goes. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? It's not. It's not either. It's not not a bad thing. The movie is basically

this OS slash Spoiler alert. It's a voice assistant that comes out that is basically GPT-4 but really, really good and can have natural conversations with you and also has a persona. So it's a, you know, and it's basically that. I don't know. We're going to hit that pretty soon.

It's also a movie about a guy who's having trouble dealing with feelings of grief and loss and deals with it by trying to marry a language model. So I don't know if I would say this is like a good thing. it by trying to marry a language model so i don't know if i would say this is like a good thing everyone falls in love with their language model it's not just him that sounds like we need to re-watch them i won't tell you the twist but it is no it's it's a hundred percent a bad thing i'm okay well we'll find out in the real world we should abandon we'll just give it to everyone and see what happens. If it's not clear, I'm very, very apprehensive about these language models.

I don't want it because I think it'll be good. I want it because I want to see how the world reacts to it. But picture if we said that about... I just want to watch the world burn. I think we should go to trivia before we cancel ourselves. I want to watch the world burn a little. On that note, let's do some trivia.

Trivia. Trivia. Trivia, dude. Okay. Yeah. Second question, also brought to you by Ellis's, what do you guys want to talk about theme? Okay. And you guys said techno, technology and feet.

Techno feet. So techno feet. Wait, it's feet again? It's the same thing. Both questions are technology and feet related. All right. Second question. Paizo electricity is generated when you blank certain materials.

Is it A, squish, B, poke, C, melt, or D, digest? Wow. Yeah. Think about it. Ellis came up with these, so kudos to ellis whoa squish right we're gonna have to think about that one we'll be right yeah it's a squish poke melt or digest and the topic is piezoelectricity we're on ad break now right we'll be right back. Squish. Squish.

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That's the end of the podcast. No, the Nothing Ear 2 is the name of the new headphones. They're $150. They had an announcement event, which was basically a live- streamed premiere of a thing that they made it was kind of funny actually so first of all the product itself is new earbuds they look very similar to the last ones but with some small improvements mainly to the sound new custom drivers uh design is very similar because that's kind of like their thing they

already have a certain look and people like that about it but the case is a little smaller little things like that they did a lot of refinement type things. So year two, it's out. But their event was kind of funny because their event was Carl, their CEO. How do I explain what they did? They essentially cosplayed as several YouTube channels while turning it into a keynote. It's like funny. If any other company did this, we'd have been like,

wow, that's really weird. But for this company, it was like, you know, nothing is already Carl's baby, which has already leaned very heavily into the YouTube thing, and the way they do PR is very creator-forward, which makes a lot of sense. But yeah, basically like it opens up with like him wearing the MKBHD hoodie in the set,

which looks like he's in our studio, but he's not in our studio. They recreated our studio from scratch in their studio to make it look like he's in our studio. And they picked arguably like the hardest corner of the entire studio to replicate because look like he's in our studio. And they picked arguably like the hardest corner of the entire studio to replicate because it has a wind, a giant window and this like steel beam that they had to replicate.

They redid the beam. Like they could have picked one of the just white corners that we have that would have been super easy. But yeah, they, they replicated a steel beam and it's insanely accurate. They also, so they did ours.

Yeah. And it was, I think I would, so they did ours. Yeah. And I think I would give them like a 98 out of 100 as far as like accuracy was pretty good. Literally to the point of like they even for one of the scenes like screened out the window and like superimposed what we've had outside our window. So like really look like he was in our studio. So anyway. It looks really, really good. It's pretty good. Yeah.

I was impressed. They also did this for Mr. Who's the boss. I just seen Jerry Gary thing, technical Guruji, and they're pretty good. Like all of them are fairly accurate. And so they sort of use this to have like Carl land in the set and then like

use that YouTuber style to explain the product. So he like lands in our set. He's like, here's our new product. And then he's lands in Justine's set. And he's like, so it's got these new drivers and the sound is better. And he lands in Aaron's set our set he's like here's our new product and he's lands in justine's set and he's like so it's got these new drivers and the sound is better and he lands in aaron's set and he's like it's got these new features so that's how they did it it was kind of clever yep i don't think i've seen anything like that before i give them a lot of credit because we've

talked about how like some of their past ones were a bit boring so this is just a slight update on their their headphones so any other company tried to do this exactly and they just did a it was like 20 minutes max right yeah it was very short yeah fun for a couple minutes they just like posted all the final specs at the end they talked about the product they released it i kudos i thought it was fun i don't know how they'll do that again because if they just do the exact same thing again it's gonna be boring i think off but yeah they did a good job with it and nothing I didn't realize they were one hundred and fifty dollars 150 yeah yeah so I don't know I'm gonna we're gonna try these as well so I'll try them now we'll see how they go I am still

like I don't know but the favorite thing for me about them was the design and that's yeah basically the same as last time so I still like that about them i hope they work that would be awesome that was my biggest gripe about the first ones yeah that's a big gripe yeah exactly i had a lot of trouble with the first one so i'm definitely i think we have an extra pair there i'm gonna grab them and probably start using them tomorrow um as long as they work um if they were still 99 though and they worked as well as the lat or if they actually always charged and whatever i would say that's awesome i love the design and i'm totally fine spending a little extra for a cool design whether maybe noise canceling isn't as good as airpods but

they fit in my ear and they looked cool yeah they just didn't work so let's hope the twos hopefully that does all the things you asked for them yeah um also i had a little cameo at the end which was just like at the literal very end of the keynote it cuts to me like watching their end of their keynote and disliking it and being like that was kind of cringe call me when it's the phone too and i leave so that's actually you know one plus or one plus nothing is kind of making their own their little ecosystem now where they have the phone. The phone works best with their earbuds, but the earbuds still work really well with others.

So there's kind of this little mini ecosystem starting to form. They'll probably make a phone two this year. What else are they going to add to their ecosystem? We don't really know yet, but I could see that sort of expanding. I still think see-through smart speaker with google assistant would look really sick speaker seems like it makes a lot of sense yeah like designed

by like teenage engineering vibes like that would look really sick that would be dope yeah yeah i i gotta say that for the ear twos um the fit of the ear ones were my favorite thing about them yeah i was like these are really light and they fit really well in my ear, and they stay really well in my ear, and I would love to use them for running. They just sounded, like, bad. So if the ear tubes sound better, then I would probably consider them. codec which is a common like off-the-shelf high-res audio codec which should be available to anyone any oem using android higher than 10 it's not always like added as a feature but it's definitely not a codec that's like uh you know proprietary right and it's not even locked into any like specific chipset either while we're talking about audio features no one cares about

um it's pretty cool from a nerd standpoint that they claim they're able to get like one megabit data bluetooth data transfer onto this thing um and it's also pretty cool that they're claiming like uh around like 30 milliseconds of latency yeah latency is always one of those immediate things you notice the second you start using a pair of earbuds with your phone which is you open up a youtube video or something and you start watching it and you you notice how much lag there is between the voices and the people talking on the screen yeah or when you're playing a game and you're like you hit something with the car on the screen and you don't hear it for a fraction of a second until it gets the headphones stuff like that when you're using an app hit something with the car on the screen and you don't hear it for a fraction of a second until it gets the headphones.

Stuff like that. Or when you're using an app like GarageBand on an iPad and you're pressing piano keys and you can hear it not be in time. That's what immediately popped into my head. When you're working with a computer, generally anything above 8 to 10 milliseconds of latency makes playing an instrument really, really hard. So it should be fun to play with,

but I appreciated that, uh, that keynote from the nothing team. Shout out to them. Well played. Um, but that's kind of it. Anything else in our little last bit lightning round you want to go over?

I don't think so. I did. I thought you started the episode saying you had a special thing you wanted to talk about that. You never mentioned anything. Yeah. We were going to talk about cars and electric cars and

then I was going to throw in a non-electric car. Oh, well, we don't care about that. This is a wave form. Well, okay, I just wanted to shout out the bizarro new Dodge that got announced. So, there's a new Dodge. It's the last Dodge. It's the last call.

This last call thing. It's the last gas-powered Dodge. Yes. And so they've just gone completely all out, bonkers insane, and just made it a straight-line drag car that happens to be street legal. But the numbers and the specs and what they've built is absurd. It is a rear-wheel drive, 1,000-horsepower gas car running on ethanol, meaning not even pump gas. You have to get specific race fuel for it to get the full 1,025 horsepower.

And it will do 0 to 60 in 1.66 seconds. And it will run the quarter mile in under nine seconds at 151 miles an hour, which would be a record for a production car for a gas car for sure oh it's a challenger too yeah and it's it's literally on racing slicks and can you can buy it with a parachute it comes it comes by default with no seats other than the driver's seat and you can famously add a passenger seat for a dollar that's how a dollar yeah yeah it's that type of can you take it out, you just don't buy it.

Or you mean if you buy it for a dollar, you want to take it out? I assume most people are just going to not have it specced at all. So it's that type of car. And the funny thing about this, which is interesting to me, is this story with gas cars for so long, for so long, would be sure they're quick off the line, but then they run out of power after 70 miles an hour and you just get blown by by the gas cars this was by the electric cars by the gas cars the

gas cars would blow by the electric cars because the ev would have that quick zero to 60 and that's a cool headline in a straight line but then the gas cars all overtake them by the end of the quarter mile every single one until plaid and now if you actually look at the specs the plaid traps a 92154 quarter mile basically what that means is at the quarter mile mark the plaid is going faster despite being behind so what happened is the dodge would get out in front with the ridiculous perfect launch 1.6 seconds 0-60 and then the electric car would pull up behind it and pass it after a quarter mile. Isn't that, it's just backwards.

It's just backwards to know how it normally is, which was entertaining to me. So I figured I'd throw that out there. I would never insure one of those cars. If I was an insurance company, do you know how many of those are gonna crash getting out of the lot? Like, have you ever seen the Mustangs, like people rear wheel drive for the first those are gonna crash getting out of the lot like have you ever seen the mustangs like people rear wheel drive for the first time like floor it out of the

lot and just eat the median like somebody's gonna this literally is on like mickey thompson racing slicks that are dangerous to drive in the rain like they're you're right if you were an insurance company and you saw this you'd probably go yeah no thanks no thanks but uh yeah it's a bizarro time in the car world. The last calls are getting pretty crazy. I appreciate they went all out as their last. I kind of think that's awesome. Yeah, yeah.

And they're also going to make that crazy gigantic, remember that Dodge that makes the weird sounds, that electric car they're going to make? We'll see how good that one ends up being. But this will be fun. Whenever that car comes out, I'm sure we'll see some races against some electric cars. My last second news is that Rolleiflex is announcing a modern twin lens reflex camera

that looks like a film camera, but will actually probably be digital. And that makes me very excited. I understood some of those words. It looks like a film camera. Is that a benefit? Yeah, because it's a twin lens reflex camera. It has a viewing lens and then a taking lens. Oh, I was going to say, because we all use DSLRs, which is a twin lens reflex camera. It has a viewing lens and then a taking lens. Oh, I was going to say, because we all use DSLRs, which is a single lens reflex camera.

Yeah. So a dual lens reflex camera. A TLR, twin lens reflex. Twin, okay. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. So, yeah.

So you basically, you're like looking down into the mirror and like you're taking a pic. It's like a super old school style. Mm-hmm. Which is fun. I'm very excited. Yeah. Yeah. It's being announced on 420.

Wait. Do you know what the price is yet? No. I bet it's going to be super high. I was going to cut this until you said it's being announced on 420. Now it stays in. That's pretty cool. Yeah.

I'm excited. So that's my last minute news. Okay. Yeah. Well, I think we should get to the trivia answers. I forgot about that. I've already written both down. I know everything there is to the trivia answers. I forgot about that. I've already written both down. I know everything there is to know about feet.

All right, coming back for another round of trivia, we got Marquez coming in with nine points, Andrew coming in with seven points, and David with a huge 11 points, bringing him to an average of 1.42 points per game. That's kind of sick, actually. Points per game is nice. Okay.

PPG, baby. So yeah, let's get into it. Okay. So this first question was about a 2006 service in collaboration with Nike and Apple. It was a service which had a sensor and a transmitter in your shoe and would send your device some health data. So what was this service called? So when I worked at Intel, I was a project manager for their Internet of Things stuff. manager for their internet of things stuff and we worked with lenovo to build a smart shoe for yaoming that would track like all of his like jump height and all that sort of stuff

are you supposed to be talking about this yeah i can talk about it okay cool just really it released yeah um but i don't know anything about the competitors useful all right flip them and read okay oh what nike plus nike plus you wrote thank you i wrote nike adapt because that's their most recent their most recent smart shoe is a shoe yeah and i figured maybe it was like i got worried nike plus was their customization thing but that's nike id right okay yeah all right nice well played i mean it makes perfect sense with like all of Nike Plus was their customization thing, but that's Nike ID, right? Nice. Well played. It makes perfect sense with all of Apple's Plus things also. It's funny that... I know, but it does...

It is funny how well it fits with Fitness Plus and everything. I would have also accepted Nike Plus iPod or Nike Plus iPhone because it was also marketed with those, but Nike Plus is the general name. Pop quiz, what was the color of the product? Oh, I know this.

Black. You're talking about the insert, right? It was like orange. Yeah. That makes sense. It was a little orange thing. Alright, next question. Piezoelectricity is generated when you blank certain materials. A. Squish

B. Poke C. B. Poke. C. Melt. Or D. Digest. So I did write mine down ahead of time. It's a total guess because I have a description of how I think this electricity works in my head and it doesn't match any of those.

I, through context clues clues i think know the correct answer to that just based on the way you said that you're probably right i just know it because i'm a god oh okay cool i think we're ready all right flip them and read uh so i wrote poke i wrote poke i wrote melt or oh all right according to ellis who did all the research on this and was trying to tell me that i mispronounced piezo but it's fine um piezo electricity yeah whatever uh the answer is squish squish squish hey what is that what is the root piezo mean i'm realizing what have to do with feet? I'm realizing... Yeah, what? That's what I was... Okay.

Can I tell you my reasoning? I get your reason. I'm realizing now, after writing this question, that a hard enough poke kind of becomes a squish. Not always. Well, see,

that's how I felt writing the question, but so many of you guys put poke. I'm starting to think... But I can tell you that my reasoning is not because of that. My reasoning is, assuming feet, I'm thinking

it's similar to like static electricity where with my feet i'm creating a charge and then poking something and releasing the charge unfortunately not the answer is pretty cool though um if uh you feel i was unfair in this question and i should give them points for poke please tweet me i should not um. But so essentially certain materials, a lot of crystals like quartz have this really cool property where if you, you know, the scientific term is if you apply mechanical stress, which is just a fancy way of saying a little squish.

If you give them a little squish, they'll output electricity at really, really regular intervals. Likewise, if you supply them electricity, they will squish themselves at really, really regular intervals. And that is essentially how a quartz watch works. When you supply a low voltage to a piece

of quartz, it supplies this ticking at a very, very steady interval. That's a simplification. The reason it has to do with the feet stuff is because the sensor what we're here for how does this connect to feet the sensors in the nike plus sensor are piezoelectric so what it's actually doing is taking the shocks of the impact i'm so dumb generating an electrical signal and analyzing that. Wow, in 2006? Yes. Piezo electronics are an old technology. I think they were invented in like this...

Yeah. Correct. But lighters use piezo crystals. Certain microphones use piezo crystals. There are surgeries done by supplying crystals with specific voltages so they vibrate at specific frequencies that can cut tissue. It's like a really, really, really

commonly used technology. I see the answer was squish. The answer was A, squish. That makes sense. I completely forgot that this was about feet. Would that have changed your answer? Yeah, because why would ice have anything to do with feet?

Ice? Or melts? Yeah. Oh. Yeah. Fair. I also seem to remember there being some sort of like specialized tech in soul that you could put in your shoe that would like become a battery

and you could charge your phone off of it. I don't remember. It sounds like a Kickstarter. Yeah. It was a long time ago, but I thought it was cool. And there, I mean,

there are phones that there are prototype phones and smartwatches that have come out that charge via the motion of your body as you walk. I'm trying to remember exactly what that was that. So this is like a way over generalizing oversimplification. That's kinetic energy. Yeah, most the way that normally works is you have a stable magnetic field. And then you works is you have a stable magnetic field. And then you have a stable magnetic field generated by a permanent magnet hooked up to a coil.

And that creates induction. And then when you move a magnet of the opposite pole and you disturb that magnetic, or the same pole, and you disturb the magnetic field, it converts the kinetic energy that you're applying. You know, when you take two Thomas the Tank engines and you try to make them kiss the wrong way and then you feel it like pushing against each other. When you fight against that, you're inputting kinetic energy into the system. So if there's a coil attached to that permanent magnet, that kinetic energy will actually turn into electrical energy and charge. I remember a smartwatch that charges with kinetic energy as well. It's actually the basis of how a microphone works. The diaphragm? Yeah, inside

the microphone is two about-to-kiss Thomas the Tank engines. And when you talk, the moving air pushes one of them towards the other, and it's that disturbing magnetic field. I forgot it was about feet, so ice wouldn't have made any sense. I also forgot it was about feet. Well, I think have made any sense. I also forgot it was about feet.

Well, I think that's enough science for the Waveform podcast this week. I feel like I learned something, though, which is good. And not quite enough feet stuff. Maybe. Or maybe not. Either way, thanks for listening.

Thanks for watching this week. And we'll catch you guys in the next one. Peace. Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Robin. We're partnered with the Vox Media Podcast Network, and our intro-outro music was created by Vane Silk.