Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Nothing Ear 2 Review and an AI Dog for Your Car?

Episode Date: April 14, 2023

Have you ever wanted a tiny AI cartoon dog to give you directions? If so then the new concept Mini Cooper might be for you. Marques, Andrew, and David discuss why this is a thing before jumping into a full-blown discussion on Bluetooth earbuds, including the new Nothing Ear 2 earbuds. Andrew and David have both spent some time with the earbuds and they have thoughts. Then Marques goes over "plummeting" M2 sales as well as the rumored iPhone roadmap for the next few years. As always, take all rumors with a grain of salt, but it still makes for a fun discussion. Finally we wrap it all up with some trivia. Hope you enjoy!  Links: Verge Mini Cooper story: https://bit.ly/MiniCooperSpike MacRumors M2 story: https://bit.ly/M2chipsalesmacrumors Future iPhone roadmap: https://bit.ly/iphoneRoadmapwvfrm Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Twitters: Waveform: https://twitter.com/wvfrm Marques: https://twitter.com/mkbhd Andrew: https://twitter.com/andymanganelli David: https://twitter.com/DurvidImel Adam: https://twitter.com/adamlukas17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wvfrmpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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19 or older ontario only please play responsibly if you or someone you know has concerns about gambling visit connexontario.ca t's and z's apply hey what's up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. And this is, we're back in the studio. Last episode was shot in a Rivian R1S,

and we had RJ Scurringe, the CEO of Rivian, talked about a variety of things. I thought it was really fun. If you haven't watched or listened to that one, definitely check it out. We got some exclusives, actually, some interesting information about some new stuff they're doing

with the wireless charger and the gear tunnel and the camp kitchen and all that. R2. R2 platform, very cool. I'm just generally rooting for them because I think their first two products are really good and I'm a product person and when I see good products,

I'm like, yeah, keep making those. Keep making good stuff. So check that out. That's up. Today, we've got also a bunch more stuff to talk about including an ai dog in your car maybe uh the nothing ear 2 is out mac sales possibly plummeting and new iphone displays or at least rumors about them but first andrew uh has earmarked this as the most important announcement he's ever made so not i've ever made i didn't make this is i think it's the most overdue tech feature in existence the most overdue yes text feature in

existence windows is making the print screen button open the snippet tool like the snipping tool yeah did it not no what did it what is the snipping print okay okay yeah did it not no what did it what is the snipping okay okay it just took a screenshot i guess i'll have to like windows forever when you hit print school print screen just copies your desktop and puts it on the clipboard a full screen screen screen full screenshot of your desktop okay as many monitors as you have the whole thing and puts it on your clipboard doesn't make it a file puts it on your clipboard. Doesn't make it a file, puts it on your clipboard, and you have to then open it.

I mean, okay, so for people who don't know this, whole desktop clipboard, you have to open up like paint, paste it. Then if you want something specific in there, I have a vertical monitor and a landscape monitor. So I open paint,

paste a like sideways T, and then I have to find the thing I want to snip out and then take that out in paint and save it as a file useless button it's a it's not useless because it's the way to actually do it well just take a screenshot of what you actually want well they've also with a snippet tool but now the print screen button just actually lets you select immediately oh really yes which they've had the snipping tool for a while but you always have to open the app

separately you have to like type snippet and yeah like down there which is that was easy i mean it's not i guess there's sometimes button and just type snip and enter and it's always the first thing and just take a screenshot there's some hospital that is using a version of like windows 95 that is so mad yeah well they should be mad for that reason yeah i don't think that the snipping tool even existed on windows 95 yeah exactly i'm pretty sure they only added the the new enhanced snipping tool in a like a recent version of windows probably like 10 yeah it would retroactively change the enhanced because they made a new one they made it better now yeah but i would always take screenshots in windows by hitting windows key, snip, or screenshot.

This is like a screenshot app. I think that might have been like Windows Vista or something. But there are also times like in a game when you like want to take a quick screenshot of something. Like there'll be times where something's glitching out and you're just like to your friends like, what is going on on my screen? And you want to take a quick screenshot and actually not just have it sit on your clipboard and forget about it. And like so being able to actually save a file directly. I don't know. This is, I'm very excited.

This is also something that's been on Mac for ever command shifts for five. Yeah. Five is full four is five is like all the options of being able to record or select an area it like just changes your, like you basically get to choose where to save it, all that stuff before is just selecting the area and having it. Which I do all the time. I do all the time. My desktop is usually 90% screenshots from that tool.

Like at all times. You should see Tim's desktop. It's just like exports of memes that he accidentally made in like thumbnails of the Waveform podcast. It's like actually a staggering amount of them on his desktop. It's a lot. Chrome OS has a very good snipping tool that is a key and it automatically opens the snipping tool you can do recording you can do area you can do you know that's what the print screen button should be well now kids these days now it is yes kids these days won't know what print screen even

means they don't even know what printing is yeah they don't know print they don't know print screen soon they're not gonna know what a screen is yeah they're a link i would agree this is the most overdue thing it's super overdue that that should have been a long time ago but yeah sorry that's the end of my speaking of things that will never be overdue um minnie cooper what minnie is adding this is a headline they're adding a stupid AI dog. No, that was my title, sorry. Did you say this is my headline? Our headline is, Mini is adding a stupid AI dog

to distract you while driving. Dude, it works, it's not stupid. Okay, let's explain what's happening here. If you've ever seen the inside of a Mini Cooper, they have this large circular dial in the middle. It's like their aesthetic. There's a big circular thing in the middle. It's like their aesthetic. It's a big circular thing in the middle. It's really ugly.

You know, it is what it is. It's their aesthetic. They own it. Fine. Yeah. This concept of a future Mini Cooper, this large circular dial in the middle is just one huge circular screen, which I guess that's what they picture their future to be like. Also, again, fine.

You can do that. what they picture their future to be like. Also, again, fine. You can do that. But for some reason, they have added a English bulldog named Spike that's a cartoon dog that just dances around your screen and acts as an assistant in some capacity.

When you actually watch the video, it just seems like, oh, it's going to distract you while you're driving. It's just dancing around. Like, literally, it has, like, the navigation has the navigation small and tucked over to the right. You need to turn in 50 meters, but also here's a huge dog twerking in the middle of the street. What is going on?

This is a weird hierarchy of information. I can just see you getting in a really bad car accident. There's steam coming out of your car, and the dog's just twerking, glitching out in the center. Having to explain why you rear-ended someone. It's like, I'm sorry, Spike was just freaking out on the screen it's weird i what what would you want this dog to do why why are they even doing this they haven't exactly said what it's going to do just that it will um what did they say it was very low-key it will just help support with features

of the car essentially which i think is basically just remember the mercedes like i don't think it's going to be this we talk about chat gpt and all this ai stuff now i don't think it's going to be a chat gpt enabled dog rope ai or whatever it's probably just going to be like google assistant with a stupid dog that jumps around and but like we've seen cars do this like mercedes had its own virtual assistant and they're terrible. They're all bad. This is just going to be that. But when it's terrible, at least it's coming from a cute little dog. And maybe you won't complain about it all the time.

I will say this is the only one that I've seen in a car that's not using the name of the car brand as a trigger word. So when you're driving a Mercedes and you want to trigger the key phrase, you literally, anytime it thinks you say the word Mercedes, it just fires up the mic and it goes, what can I do for you? Ferrari does the same thing. And it's, they're both way too easily, like, accidentally triggered, like Siri. So maybe Spike is one of those things where, like, you can just talk to Spike instead of having to say hey mini or something

like that i don't know what about this is ai yeah that's exactly no every great question i'm assuming that they're trying to make people think that they're going to have like a natural language in a like integration which is fine but it's not yeah like they just don't say anything yeah no no no but uh it's clippy the verge wrote an article about it, and they said, in absence of concrete details of what Spike will actually do, here's some things we'd like. Barking uncontrollably when anyone in the car says the word walk or walkies. Quietly saying rut row if you mix your highway exit.

I want that one so much. And taking control of the car to chase squirrels whenever possible. That's pretty funny. Yeah good and also distracting you like it's the only screen they don't have a screen behind the steering wheel technically this is the only screen but there's there's technically a screen on the dashboard it's just made up of like mini it's like a mini dot matrix this weird concept where if you look in another picture spike is actually off to the side on it which because he runs off of the off of the screen and onto the matrix yeah this is all in the concept which also yeah this i do think this concept ace man mini cooper looks pretty nice it actually looks kind of cool i think it looks real nice the headlights look great the front grill looks great there's

some things on it that i don't think are going to be in a real car um classic concept but like they do say that spike will be coming to a 2023 countryman and the 2024 mini cooper so we have to get a car i guess we have to get it and try this i'm wondering in those ones they won't have the dot matrix things so it can't like run off is it gonna be there when you're driving is it gonna be this big when you're driving or is that like a parked thing maybe you just be sleeping really shouldn't just like who cares about your speed here's spike that's like chasing its tail while you're driving it's the size of your steering wheel it's gigantic it's huge yeah that that hopefully isn't doing that while you're driving i'm wondering i don't know what to think about

this it's also we remember we've talked about like car companies can they be good software companies you know like we've seen mercedes make incredible cars companies can they be good software companies you know like we've seen mercedes make incredible cars and then you get in there and you start using the software and you're like ah you're good at cars but not software they sort of just we just deal with it and everyone goes just give me carplay because it's better than what you built yep um is mini somehow going to be a a decent software company in the next three years i don't know we'll see no i feel like the answer to your question is can they be yes will they be by example have they proved it to us no no will they be probably not yeah if you have to take care of spike like

a tamagotchi i'm all in feed it you get back in your car after like a week of being on vacation and he's just like sleeping in the middle of the thing like what's going on imagine if you go too fast it starts getting mad at you or you start going too slow in the left lane and it starts getting mad at you that's interesting you know what that reminds me of so we uh we didn't talk about this on the podcast but we did briefly have here the mercedes vision eq. And this was the sort of efficiency model from Mercedes. Like if we can just build the most efficient car we possibly can, that's street legal.

I'm not counting the Aptera, sorry, but this is the one that they're getting like 700 miles of range out of. It's got solar panels on the roof. It's got an extended tail. It's got all these aero features. It slips through the air with a 0.18 drag coefficient. And one of the things that was actually kind of cool is on the inside, there's a screen that helps you drive most efficiently based on your real time, like

driving. So if you put your foot down too hard on the, on the accelerator pedal, the little, uh, speedometer turns a little bit red and you, you let off the accelerator, it goes back to blue. It's just trying to get you the perfect efficiency going over hills, driving around, which is interesting. That's almost smarter and more useful than a tiny dog. And you'd probably do that more if a dog was barking at you when you were being inefficient. Fair. Fair.

Touche. Technically true. We got to teach Mac to do this. That would be kind of sick. No, he's generally scared in the car, but still loves it. Does he bark when you go fast? No, he does not. He just grips into the back seat.

That's fair. Yeah. But yeah, I wanted to, one more thing while we're on the topic of EVs real quick. And I don't like, the R1S was here last week. It was incredible. I loved it. You liked it a lot. I really liked it.

And I really liked the R1T as well. Yeah. But this R2 platform platform i'm going to make a just i'm very excited for it i have a checklist and if this checklist becomes true i will pre-order it the first day it's announced big time all right and i don't think drew told me this and i made sure that he brought it up i don't think this is that unreasonable either the r2 the r2 suv so i'm thinking like similar size to my forest maybe even a little bigger okay dual motor i want four-wheel drive at least so dual motor i'll go that at least

280 miles of range i would prefer 300 under 60k i still want it to be boxy and similar to the r1s i hate these crossovers that have like a hatchback, but it's slanted. So you lose all the headspace you have from that. Yeah, it's like, so I want it to stay the same, like nice and boxy on that part. And then I still want it to have a front trunk, which I feel like is becoming on smaller cars

isn't really there. We're really only seeing it in, well, or some sedans, but there are a lot of legacy car manufacturers coming out without front trunks, and I hate that. Okay, so I'm going to go through your list one by one. I think this is a pretty good list, and I think most of them are going to happen.

Front trunk, I almost guarantee will happen because exactly what you said, legacy car manufacturers are not as good at building the entire EV platform from scratch with that front trunk space in mind. They kind of just seem to like shove all the electronics where the trunk would be and the, or where, yeah, where the front engine would be. So yeah, the smaller ones, the Aria, the Leaf, the, even the EV6 or the Ionic, they all have

tiny front trunks. Is the Mach, does the Mach-E have one? Not very big. Okay. Because the, I don't even think it, does all have tiny front trunks. Does the Mach-E have one? Not very big. I don't even think it does have one. I forget. I was going to say Ford with the F-150, that is one place that nailed it. I do think the F-150 front trunk is better than the Rivian front trunk.

Just because you have that lip coming down between the headlights, that's better. It's massive too. It's huge. You can sit in it where the Rivian is a a lip up right like having that with the cooler space and everything is really neat the maki does have a front trunk okay so ford's one of the legacy car manufacturers that seems to be doing okay shout out to them i think the rivian you'll get a front trunk okay uh boxy not slanted crossover i think you're gonna have that boxy shape again i think that would make

sense uh dual motor so dual motor and 280 miles of range kind of live in this balancing act where typically the more efficient version is the single motor rear wheel drive and the higher performance version with dual motors gets less range so why i wrote 280 is because i always say 300 but i would not be surprised if this came out with a single motor 300 and a dual motor 280. And I would prefer the dual motor on an SUV like that to have all-wheel drive. When talking to RJ, it seemed like the priority was still to make it capable enough

to be an adventure vehicle. It's just that most people don't need the absurd capabilities of what the R1 platform can do right now. So I think we can count on dual motor, and I think 280 miles of range feels reasonable given an advancement in battery technology. Under 60K is the last one. I think that's a goal. I wouldn't be shocked if it was right around that line, right around that line. So R2 two I mean

we're gonna see this is all just us predicting and I don't think we know anything that the public doesn't who hasn't watched our interview but that that feels pretty pretty good for and I put 60 as my max like it has to be under 60 so I feel like this should if they could get that at 55 50 55 it would be fantastic. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's what they're going to aim for. Model 3, Model Y. Yeah.

I'll pre-order. I'll pre-order on the podcast if this is what happens. Dang. We're going to hold you to that. I like that. Sick. I already put it in Notion. It's a disc.

We wrote that down. Luckily, Claire doesn't listen to this. You're locked in. Perfect. All right. Well, we'll take a quick break. But before we do that, we should do trivia. Trivia time. Okay. So we were talking about the snipping tool before and how now it's a, what is it? You just press the print screen, something like that? Yeah, and it pulls up.

Okay. So before that, what was the correct keyboard shortcut for launching the snipping tool on Windows? there are multiple so I have like a bunch here do you give me anyone any of them yeah because it like depends on the hardware you have depends on like Windows 10 Windows 11 like there's a bunch of different ones so if you give me any one of them okay you get the point I'm gonna be guessing but uh yeah because I like I said I hit Windows key and it hits SN IP enter so I was gonna say but the most common one is what you would think snippet S, that's save. So you lose the most obvious one. Yeah, I have a guess.

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Every month. At Fizz, you always get more for your money. Terms and conditions for our different the following month. Every month at Fizz, you always get more for your money. Terms and conditions for our different programs and policies apply. Details at Fizz.ca. All right, welcome back. We've got some updates of things to talk about. First one, Nothing Ear 2. You guys have both used the Nothing Ear 2 actually in this case more than I have. And I'm very curious about your thoughts. I have it categorized in my head, just the way I'm thinking about it since I haven't used them much, as a minor update

but with the one important new thing being they have custom drivers now and that could potentially make a big difference to the sound quality but aesthetically they look the same. Battery life I think should be the same. Case is a little smaller. Tell me what your experience has been like.

So yeah, the case is a little bit better, because there's a couple materials in the case that were improved. So that isn't like crazy scratchy. My biggest thing is that the the sound quality is way better than the than the first generation. I wouldn't say it's like, you know, the best earbud sound quality ever, but it is significantly better. So these are $150 earbuds? Yeah. Do they sound like $150 earbuds? Yes. Okay. Yes. I would say that. Yeah. They sound like $150 earbuds and the fit is amazing. Just like the, the ear one fit was also amazing. Ear two fit is, um,

is also really good, but the, uh, noise cancellation is not very good i was using them like walking around all morning and there's not a huge difference between using noise cancellation and not noise cancellation yeah i do the first ones were like horrible like i almost would argue the first ones if you put on noise cancellation it might have sounded worse than if you did i feel like you could actively hear it between noise cancellation and transparency like figuring out noises and screwing up your audio as i was doing it and these are a bit better yeah um but like ultimately i do think they sound is there anything else you want to say i mean i think that they they look really good they fit really well and they sound really good so um they're still really fun to fidget with

because they still have that divot i yes exactly i was like i didn't even realize i was doing it as yeah yeah you guys both sitting here i'm like watching you i was like yeah hold up for the camera but you're both like fidgeting yeah like because it's perfect for that i think pricing wise like you could get a very good pair of some of the best earbuds from like last year for that price or um you know even even airpods pro are not that expensive are they they're they're at 200 all the time so they're more they're definitely 50 dollars more which is you know a decent amount more um but they don't look cool they don't look cool no their noise isolation is way better though um but then again they like won't work

as well with android phones. Yeah. And I, I don't think like many people with an iPhone are looking to buy these anyways. So like, this is clearly something for Android users. If you have an iPhone, get AirPods pro. Um,

but I do think these look better. I still love how they look. I do like the new case on the bottom because it's not getting destroyed. Do you remember like Echo when she used the first one? It got so scratched. It was terrible. I don't know if you want to like, um, I think my thing I like the most though is now instead of tapping on the side it's got a pinch feature for things that's better which is something i love and even

though these do fit there's always going to be a time where you have to push things back into your ear and as much as i love like the sony link buds s every time i do that i'll pause i'll turn on transparency mode or something. I'll just mess up what I'm doing by just a simple push back in my ear. That's a lot of headphones. So Pinch is fantastic. But then I need to talk about the weirdest thing about them. And Marques, you haven't heard this yet, but when you switch between transparency modes,

it has a really nice clicking feature when you just play pause it just like kind of clicks but when you do transparency mode it like breathes in your ear yeah it's like yeah and it's only when you turn it off is it i thought it was when you switch between yeah yeah when you when you go when you turn it on it goes but when you turn it off it goes no no when you when you switch like do you mean the headphones or at all when you're switching the transparency modes the long hold yeah it goes yeah oops you get to hear that oh we will definitely get to monetize it's pretty low volume but i hear it you can turn it up it's like it's like probably a third volume. It's not going to change the volume of breathing, I don't think.

Okay. So now pinch and hold. Oh, I don't. Oh, no. I don't like that. Did you hear that through the mic? No, I didn't really. Barely?

I could barely hear it. We'll get Ellis to try and replicate it somehow or record it. It's really awkward. Yeah. It's like someone ex-having. Very uncomfortable. Do you guys want to try it? Yeah.

It kind of makes your back hair stand up. You know? Like someone whispering in your ear at the bar. Yeah, it's pretty uncomfortable. It's like the smelling salts reaction. Do smelling salts and that at the same time. What it feels like to chew five gum. Yeah, it's a bad commercial. It's weird.. What it feels like to chew five gum. That commercial, yeah.

It's weird. Just change it. Or let us change it. Add a custom. That'd be cool. All the other stuff is great in the pinch. The feedback of just play, pause is a really nice tap. It's just a noise, but it almost feels like you're getting physical feedback in the earbud.

I think it's fantastic. but almost feels like you're getting physical feedback in the yeah the earbud and i think it's fantastic um but yeah i i think for 150 these are worth it where the old ones weren't when they changed the price to 150 yeah i would still 129 would be like that would be way better yeah i was gonna say i really i still really like like the link buds s and i think those are about the same price and those go on sale a lot. All the time. And so, yeah, I don't know. How do they compare to the Bose QC buds? The Bose are incredible.

But they're expensive, right? But they're like $300. They're $300? I think so. Yeah, those compete with like the WF-1000XM5s from Sony, which are also like $350 or $300. Yeah, they're insanely good though. I do have to say, I are also like $350 or $300. Yeah. They're insanely good, though. Yeah. I do have to say, I'm also using the Beats Fit Pro.

I do really like those. I hate those earbuds. I like them. They don't hurt my ears so bad. I've heard that a lot. They don't hurt my ears. They stay in really solid. And while it doesn't have a stem to press, it's a physical clicking button to change transparency modes

and play, pause, and everything so you know exactly when you're actually doing it and you can still touch your ears without setting everything off. That's good. And the noise canceling on those are fantastic.

I went into the gym with that guy who plays music on his speaker out loud and I didn't notice he was doing it until I pulled one out to talk to someone and I was like what's happening in here all of a sudden bad bunny was playing here like that's amazing well that's

good yeah I mean if you want to compete on sound quality you kind of have to step up in price and it sounds like uh if you don't care about active noise cancellation these are probably in the realm of like a goodbye I do like these a lot the second you do care about noise cancellation you have to step up in price yeah to at least airpods pro or i mean even the even the um sony the link buds the link buds s have decent noise cancellation yeah they do yeah and they're not buds didn't yeah the s have pretty good well the old link buds were the ones with the hole with the hole so they literally didn't have noise cancellation yeah um yeah the link buds s are great yeah they are and best buy put them on sale for like 99 yeah they're like yeah they're very often 130 and then they go to 99 sometimes and they have pretty good noise cancellation i accidentally trigger

them all the time though yeah yeah but i'm pretty sure if i remember correctly when they came out that the airpods pro also have a hole they're they're vented they're not like they're not sealed the the link buds s are literally a hole in your ear the link but look sorry sorry i'm pretty sure that outside grate on the airpods is is also like has a direct path to your there is yeah pastor i think um a couple of them have mentioned they started doing that it's to like relieve pressure exactly yeah i think galaxy buds also do this galaxy buds pro might do the same thing uh which it just helps not feel like you're you're pressurized when you're listening to

something with noise cancellation on which is good uh yeah no that's good that's good news it is i think it's a good price a good enough price could be better but it's good enough it's it's the company that's new so if they can be the like really good price then it's like i want to i would recommend it yeah i wish if they could have if they could have stayed at 99 that would have been so good i would recommend these to literally non-stop that would be different yeah they're my favorite looking ones too yeah they're good speaking of minor updates we did want to mention uh android 14 beta 1 is now out. So we're kind of in that like winding up to Google I.O. cycle

where we get like a trickle of new features. Beta 2 is going to come out. We're going to get some pre-release stuff and then Google I.O. is going to happen and we're going to get, boom, Android 14. And probably some headline-worthy new features. Right now, I don't think there's anything headline-worthy in these early betas.

Some data transparency features, some tiny UI fixes. It's rare that we see really, really big updates anymore in Android updates. It's a lot of minor stuff, but to be fair none of the Material U stuff in Android 12 was in any of

the developer previews and we only saw it at IO. So, maybe. It could have something up their sleeve for 14. Although, yeah, they're definitely in the material you look now. Like, aesthetically, we don't get a big refresh, but every couple years, because we don't really need it anymore.

I'm also very, very excited for IO. I just want to put that out there. There's going to be so much hardware dropping. I'm very excited. Do you think we're going to get more Bard-related stuff? Almost. It feels like we have to. Yeah, for sure. I would bet you that Assistant is,

they're going to announce that Assistant's been integrated with the Bard stuff. I want all of the Bard and Google Assistant combo one-twos that I can possibly get at I.O. And we're getting our tablet. Oh, I forgot about that. The tablet that comes with the speaker thing yeah i think we still don't know we don't know if it's going to come we don't know i guess we just know this year right yeah this year we're going to get more announcements about it okay so

either be io or the pixel or the fall but i'm just looking forward to walking in that morning and david wearing his google socks and his google hat yeah baby that's all i care about the google bicycle and the- All the red, white, and blue. Red, yellow, green, and blue stuff. Red, white, and blue. Fair. Sick. I have one more thing on here.

It's just funny to see Apple halting M2 chip production in January amid plummeting Mac sales for the M2. And essentially just like they ramped down production on m2 chips because they weren't selling quite as good and i think it's really obvious why because m1 was just insane yeah and it's a minor upgrade i mean like it's the one of the first times i've ever seen you get a review unit for something new and not use it yeah it's like your new like you stuck with the older model m1 still using m1 yeah the the quantum leap was from the last generation of intel max to the first generation of apple silicon max

which is why we're still i say we which is why i'm still hoping a mac pro shows up probably not going to happen but uh yeah now i've i've found myself recommending laptops to a few people i had a friend ask me well I need to get a new laptop. What should I get? I recommended the M1 MacBook Air, which is the older design, but it's the $900, way better than the Intel version, thin. You've got the ports. The M2 MacBook Air is nice and it's got a slightly updated design,

but you don't need to spend the extra money. They made it more expensive. So I keep finding myself recommending M1 level stuff to people as I continue to use an M1 ultra MacBook myself. It's, it's really good. M1 Max. Yeah. I do really, really like the new design of the M2 MacBook Air. And I, to me, the new screen design is, is pretty worth the extra couple hundred dollars. For the air, for sure. So this is like a regular person who's like, all I'm going to do with this is spreadsheets, video calls, like the classic normal web browsing stuff that you do. And I'm like, what was your old laptop screen like? And they're like, this is the garbage laptop I use.

I was like, you're going to have a great time with the M1 Air. This is true. You'll be fine. So, yeah. Yeah, that's where we're at. I'm not shocked. I'm not shocked. I also don't see this stopping for a few generations also

because people who bought M1 and bought high-level M1s are going to use them for years. I mean, they're not upgrading probably until like, if we do this every single year, M4, M5. I mean, I think the main thing we're looking for is a MacBook. Oh, sorry, a Mac Pro. That's what we're excited for. Seems like it didn't happen for M2.

Maybe M3 will be here. We're going to get an M3 before we get a Mac Pro. Maybe I just actually put this in here to make Marques be sad about Mac Pro. Why is there no tower? I mean, look, the M1 Ultra Mac Studio is great. It's been really good but that's why i want a mac pro because it's got to be better right yeah um man yeah i have an m1 max macbook pro and i don't see a need to upgrade it for the next like five years yeah yeah it's gonna be so so we're expecting m3 stuff to start kind of soon right it's gonna be probably

the baseline stuff uh iMac uh Mac mini do you think we get another 13 inch MacBook Pro m3 no god with touch bar I know I don't think so please don't I bet it comes out that was such a funny video we're like that is this is the weirdest product they could have come out with yeah and then we're gonna we're gonna all wonder what happened to the Mac Pro. So does it just disappear? Here's my question. Apple sometimes just goes, we're not going to do this anymore. Remember AirPower, for example?

We never got an official onstage, hey, remember how we announced AirPower? Never mind, we're shutting that down. It just kind of dissipated into thin air with a couple articles about how the program was dead and they couldn't do it. Is that what's happening with the Mac Pro? We're not going to get Apple going hey

because the last thing we heard was they finished they got to the Mac studio and they were like and that completes the new Mac lineup of Apple Silicon and there's only one left, Mac Pro. They said that out loud as if they still had plans for it.

Now they're way past this. They had a timeline for it too. They said the conversion in the next two years. What do you think they would add besides maybe two M2 Ultras tied together? Just modular GPU. Just let me use whatever GPUpu will that be better though

so there's going to be like pci expansion there are still things like if i want a storage card for gpu encoding or yeah or storage if i want if i have a 16 terabyte pci thing i want to just add and pop one in and out like that sort of thing like the performance benefits of of doubling up the m2 ultra again would just be absurd i don't think that's even necessary um but the weakness of the integrated gpu is still real and if you do value gpu power the mac pro with the intel chip is still better because you can still put a giant gpu or pair of them in there so that's what i was hoping for uh it doesn't have to be huge just needs me to have like two pci slots that's it it was hoping for uh it doesn't have to be huge just needs me to have like two pci slots that's it it would actually fit better in the trash can now it would actually

make well it would fit in the trash can and not fry the gpu from overheating yeah it seemed like there was a couple macs there in that awkward time where they didn't have apple silicon but they were making designs like as if they had Apple Silicon, which was one fan for an entire Mac Pro and the ultra-thin laptops that just started overheating, nuking i9s in those MacBook Pros. I forgot about those.

I didn't expect you to go this gloom of now comparing the new Mac Pro to AirPower. Sorry, I wasn't expecting you to go there. It's on the same page. And I wasn't even really looking forward to air power that much but i was really looking forward to the mac pro i was apple you made him cry he's crying i don't know i i guess i should just stop hoping for it that's when it comes yeah that's the number

one rule in tech support that i think is it problem has to break you first, and then it will work. I think that's what's probably happening. So the Mac Pro has broken you, and now it's coming? Fair. Now hit that trivia music. Yeah! Oh, God. The new nothing ear tube buds have an IP rating of IP54.

The 4 in IP54 describes the Bud's ability to withstand what? Oh, I need to make sure I get this. I was so sure and then I was not. I know David has this one too, so I have to

not f*** this up. Do you know? I feel like I know. Well, I'm 50-50. Same. There are two things and I know what each of them is, but now I need to remember which one's which. It's a lol squid. That was a Spongebob reference.

Sorry, guys. I'm going to have to think about that one. Wait, you said the five or the four? The four. Oh, yeah. I'm like 70. He told me this one and I confidently the five or the four? The four. The four. Okay. Oh, yeah. We can talk through it. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like 70. He told me this one

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started shrinking the pill and it was just a whole punch cut out. We all said, oh, maybe in two years it'll just be gone. And then the iPhone will also have to get rid of it because everyone else will have gotten rid of it. And now we're in this world where most of us have just gotten used to the circle hole punch cutout. It's kind of just paused there. And there's a few phones that have underscreen selfie cameras and they're not good yet. There's like two generations of this technology. It doesn't look great.

So I don't see most of the mainstream phones adopting it anytime soon, but we did get this tweet, which is now deleted, but now is in the form of an article that we can look at, which is the roadmap for when the iPhone plans to get rid of the notch. So as of right now, we have the non-pro iPhone and the pro iPhone. The non-pro iPhone has a notch. The pro iPhone has dynamic island. Non-pro iPhone, pro iPhone, both have Face ID. When are they going to get rid of this stuff? So I'm going to read through. I'm just going to go down the line for both the non-pro and the pro,

and we can get reactions. And before you do that, it was something we've talked about previously on should the non pro iphone have dynamic island or is that a promotion thing or like why does it not have it is it just and i think david had a bunch of i predicted correctly that uh the non-pro iphone would get the pill next year or this year yeah so as of, the non-pro iPhones do feel very dated. They just look dated, which means to me, 60 Hertz and giant notch at the top in an 800, $700 phone is just not anywhere near the rest. They all have moved on from that. So let's look at the roadmap for non-pro iPhones. 2023, pill, so getting rid of

the notch, and still LTPS, which is not LTPO, so still 60 hertz. So this year getting rid of, you know, going to dynamic island seems cool. 2024, still dynamic island, still 60 hertz. 2025, still dynamic island, but now LTPO. So 2025 is when we finally go past 60 hertz on the non-pro iPhone. 2026, still dynamic island, LTPO again. 2027, under panel face ID plus a hole for the camera and LTPO. So 2027 is four years from now, which is when the non-pro iPhones will have under display face ID,

but still have a hole punch for the camera and be LTPO. This makes sense to me because if you're going to introduce a new feature like Dynamic Island and try to get developers to develop for it, you're not just gonna like do it for a couple years like even if they have under just under panel face id ready in 2025 or 2026 i'm pretty sure they want to make it last longer yeah before they switch to under display it almost like helps them for it to be more well entrenched and established because when the new one comes out

then it's more obviously a new one it's gonna seem yeah whereas android phones like every single year have a completely new design yeah and you're like oh it's just all over the map i don't know what's coming next okay so 2027 so now the pro iphone well real quick i just this does just say pill we do think that definitely means dynamic island right yes yeah yes so for the roadmap for the pro iphone we have 2023 pill and ltpo 2024 dynamic island again and ltpo 2025 under panel face id plus hole punch camera 2026 under panel face id plus hole punch camera 2027 under panel face id under panel camera so there's going to be a couple years where we have the dynamic island on both but the the frame rate is the only difference between the two then we have actually let's just i'm gonna go year by year 2023 and 2024 will both have

pills pill cut out dynamic island for both yes but there'll be a frame rate difference. Only difference is frame rate. So faster Dynamic Island, maybe a little bit of a high resolution possibly, but that's the only difference. Then when you get to 2025, you get the under panel face ID and 2026, you get the under panel face ID.

So for those two years, it'll just be a hole punch cutout in the pro iPhone. And the regular iPhone will get LTPO and most likely higher refresh rate. So when you finally graduate to LTPO on the non-pro iPhone, you have this new aesthetic. That's when the pro goes to 360. It just has to look different.

So the dynamic island will look a little different because you only have just the hole punch cutout for the camera yeah it also is kind of funny that we're like getting this i know it's not exactly the same but we're getting something under the screen but it's also still leaving a hole in the screen i guess i'm guessing it's just because the face id stuff doesn't need to be as clear quality when it's just ir blasters that or whatever that are doing that which is kind of cool but then also the amount that apple needs to create and like to like improve on to then just get to the point that the s10e had yeah and a hole punch like cut out like five years ago is kind of wild that's gonna be the meme in the android community

which is like oh wow the iphone finally has a hole punch camera like we had in 2017 like yeah we've been on this just aesthetic train for a while you know no screw that in the comments everyone says david and i are too harsh on iphone i can't that hole is gonna be beautiful it's gonna be the best looking hole in a phone ever. Do you agree with me? Do it. Do it for the comments. Do it. We like Apple.

Sure. Isn't there also rumors of the iPhone 15 having the thinnest bezels? Yeah, it's supposed to have thinner bezels. Which is cool, nice, neat. That's sick. Why don't we use screen-to-body ratio anymore? Because they're all within 3% of each other. Yeah, I guess.

Other than the current non-pro iPhone with a big notch, which they're all like 94% or whatever. Yesterday, someone commented on an extremely old tweet that I made from like 2018. Classic. And it was when I made like a bunch of videos on, that was when the Oppo Find X first came out, the first one. And that was that one-ish year where we had the pop-up cameras. And I watched the beginning of my video from like 2018.

And I was like, we have to acknowledge the elephant in the room. This thing has an 87.9% screen-to-body. And I was like, now I'm just like, oh man, that's pretty bad. I mean, if by the time you guys see this video, the ROG phone review is out, not the highest screen to body ratio, but that actually turns out to be fine because it's aimed at people

who are going to hold it in landscape and they put their thumbs right on the sides and they need bezel for that. And that's like a thing. It's like, oh, we offer you some bezel because you like that. And there's front facing speakers and everything on the side.

So yeah, it is what it is but yeah you know roadmap conveniently finally graduates the non-pro iphone to high refresh rate and at the same exact time we have a new feature for the pro iphones which is all the face id stuff is under the glass and just a whole bunch cut out cool and by 2027 they're planning on anyway having under display camera for the iPhone. Pro. Which seems like, for a pro iPhone, it seems like that's enough time between now and four years from now to have a good enough selfie camera to put under the glass, I think. They've been pretty dang hazy up until now. I like calling them the underwater camera. Yeah.

That's what it looks more like. They look really bad. If you've seen the videos we've done on, I guess it was a Vivo phone that first did it. I think it was a TCL or something. And then a second gen phone finally came out and Motorola might've done it. There's like a handful. Also in the Samsung Fold, isn't it?

That's exactly right. Oh yeah. Second generation of it. And you take a selfie. You can't pay yourself paying that much money for that camera. That's crazy. You take a selfie and it looks like you uh took it through like

you like rubbed grease on your yeah camera or something vaseline or like water got in the camera system yeah it looks looks pretty bad yeah i mean this is definitely one of those things where apple is going to just be like let's let everybody else make this look terrible and then we'll wait five years and then when the technology is actually ready that is the iphone for them the iphone roadmap we all knew was happening and in that sense too is actually ready that is the iphone for them the iphone roadmap we all knew was happening and in that sense too 2027 when you get the under panel camera that's when the non-pro gets the under panel face id and yeah so yeah it's literally finally graduate the non-pro iphone and we just have a new thing perfectly ready yeah you can see that

they plan the stuff ahead all that matters is we'll have USB-C. I hope so. For all these phones? Only on the Pro. No, just kidding. I don't think that's what the EU law said. Well, they don't have to

do it until the end of 2025, I think, right? Because the EU law... They could definitely graduate just the Pro to USB. They could do that this year and they could say

it's for data transfer speeds for those who actually shoot ProRes. Can you shoot ProRes on a non-Pro iPhone? No. So they could say we added you data transfer speeds for those who actually shoot pro res can you shoot pro res on a non-pro iphone no so they could say we added you anything with pro in it is only on the pro iphone so pro motion pro res are you sure i'm pretty sure i can shoot pro res you can't do you think we're seeing this like graduating thing because was it the iphone was it the 11 or 12 where the pro and the regular had like almost nothing different about them?

It was only the Pro Max that had like the kind of bigger show? Yeah, that was the 12. I think it was the 12. And like, sorry. Sorry, no, I can only do H.264. Yeah. Like that year just seemed to be one of like, why get the Pro model here at all? And so this kind of maybe

slightly feels like like oh yeah we made them way too close yeah we need like it's just too much of a coincidence that every time the pro steps up the the non-pro gets the thing so do we think the ultra is just never gonna happen iphone ultra yeah oh no they're not doing that yeah they're gonna keep going like pro and pro max and pro Max is just like we have more room, so you get a bigger screen and a bigger battery, and that's it. Yeah. I think if they're going to offer – yes, they want to stratify the lineup, like give people a reason to step up this price ladder of like,

dang, I'm paying $700 for a phone that only has 60 hertz. If anyone cares about that, they're immediately going to go, all right, let's get the 120 hertz one, and then now you're paying a thousand and you're like, wow, I might as well get the one with the bigger screen, the bigger battery, 1199. They just keep going.

They're just trying to work you up the ladder. They, yeah, it's strategy. Just give me an iPhone, a iPhone 16 ultra with an M four chip. That's all I want. I'm just waiting for the pixel ultra.

This is the year. It's the pixel. Oh my God. That was one of my the Pixel Ultra. This is the year. The Pixel Ultra. Oh my God, that was one of my favorite moments. Don't hurt me again. Don't hurt me again. I'm actually excited for this tablet, the Pixel tablet. Dude, the tablet is the best thing that has ever happened to society. You know those memes that are like society if?

It's society when. It's society when. When Pixel tablet comes out. And you're going to get... We still don't know if it's going to come with the dock or not remember that's where our confusion i think it will we think this is another bet we have i hope it does because then it it'll feel like that's the focus of it which i think is what i want the tablet is like this secondary aspect of my mind yeah it's

a smart display and they what wasn't there news recently that they phased out they stopped supporting they stopped supporting non-google smart displays this week like all those with like the novo yeah they they stopped the support of that's a good point so maybe they're getting rid of the smart display like api thing altogether and just doing like tablet like tablet stuff oh like a tablet yeah because android 13 14 is supposed to be flexible to multiple display types no matter what the display type so maybe they're just getting rid of like the smart display ui and just having an overlay i do not just runs android i don't like my nest hub like ui and there are so many more times i wish i could like more easily use my finger rather than.

Hey, don't bleep that out. I like screwing with everyone. It's my favorite part of the podcast. You can't just say, hey, on the podcast, Andrew. I know it's like or I don't know what any of the other ones are. Dear listeners, I got an echo. No, turn on the waveform podcast.'re cursing at it so rate waveform five stars hey astro thank you i'm just gonna say ashes bust through the door i can oh yeah

i can say hey astro because nobody listening has an astro at least i hope you don't if you do hey astro drive off a cliff tell us if it's uh wow it did it yeah that's pretty much it not one of you said bixby during that whole thing nobody has bixby does bixby still exist it sure does i can hold them i have bixby on this actually i disabled it but you can yeah can you remap the new button yet no it's uh you can just disable it yeah no i hold down the power button and it still goes bixby you know how samsung and google are like bffs like to a weird degree to like those bffs that you think might actually secretly be dating i think that's google and samsung because they because of that my point is that i don't really know how

samsung hasn't just like relinquished control to google assistant yet it's kind of like how uh rivian won't put carPlay in their vehicles because they need to control that space to be able to connect their ecosystem together. What ecosystem does Samsung have? I mean they have the watch and the buds. Samsung has smart things and they have the watch and the buds and they have

enough things where like if they relinquish that to Google they don't get to shove more Samsung into your life. And they have a lot of smart yeah and they have a lot of smart things stuff and smart things is like one of the most well like well-established smart home like how else am i going to tell my phone to like turn the dryer off or the refrigerator off i mean that's a lot of smarts but also a lot of data i would say you just don't i mean and then we live in a better society fair society of smart things works Tesla bot will do all of that why need Bixby

Bixby bot no that's our next April Fool's Bixby bot Bixby bot no that's our next April Fool's Bixby bot it just walks into walls constantly that's Halloween dude

I like the idea of Bixby Bot being yoked like like six foot six foot five 290 like yeah Tesla Bot can only deadlift 140 Bixby Bot's hitting 225 Tesla Bot has like safety in mind so it cannot like carry your kids away and like run away from you but Bixby Bot just like sometimes can just does stuff yikes wow yeah that might be a that might be a halloween costume why was that the first example you thought of just carry your kids and run away what did they say on stage they were like tesla bot can only exert this much force so that it cannot like run it cannot run it can't chase people because it's slow and it can't like hurt people because it's weak and it can only lift us it can't chase people because it's slow, and it can't, like, hurt people because it's weak. And it can only lift a...

It can't, like, drop something heavy on you. Meanwhile, they're trying to make Cybertruck out on the roads. I was going to say, maybe we shouldn't make this robot. If you have to... It literally was... I think Elon literally said it on stage. He was like, don't worry. It can't...

You can run away from it. Ha-ha. Like, kind of in a weird way which is like oh we thought about this because if it was too powerful because you know someone's gonna jailbreak a tesla bot and it's gonna be able to run like 30 miles an hour that's gonna be insane if the cyber truck still isn't out that thing is never coming out that's gonna be a while fair point yeah ltp ltpo iphone or tesla bot which comes out first ltpo yes iphone yes i I hope so. No I was just gonna say yes in general to your question. The new Mac Pro

Oh Air power Wow. I think it's time for trivia Yes queen Trivia dude Thank you. We should just have an episode where we just go all of the vaporware announcements that have happened in the last few years.

There's a lot of it. There's like 12 cars. Tesla Roadster is the headlining one, and then we go down the list. We could do a vaporware bracket. And what is it ranked on? How much we wanted it to be real? Or which we think will come out first or last? It's likela roadster versus

air power like we know some of them are never coming out does volkswagen count when they every time we get like a concept mini cooper with an ai dog in it we have to be like all right how bad do we really want this a lot to be fair air power versus roadster we've seen things closer to air power than we've seen any new updates on the Roadster. We've seen things closer to Roadster also. Well, we saw the Roadster, but that was seven years ago. We've seen a bunch of sports cars that do the same thing. Okay, other ones, yes.

But they cost a million dollars. The Roadster was seven years ago? The Roadster was 2017. Oh, myster is 2017 oh my god it's not depressing yeah that's tough that's tough anyway sorry i interrupted trivia here we go uh quick update on the score marquez has 11 andrew has 8 and david has 12 yeah okay trivia first question so Okay, trivia. First question. So, what is the correct keyboard shortcut to launch the snippet tool on Windows? Currently. Yeah, not the new print screen one. This is a shot in the dark.

Total guess. I don't use the keyboard shortcuts as much on Windows. I'm sorry, Windows fans. Command shift escape is command. I realized I could have just tested it on my... I could have been testing all the shortcuts. I didn't do it. It was for snipping tool?

Yes. Snipping tool specifically. And I'm going to accept a bunch of different answers because there's a bunch, but... And we're still all going to get it wrong. All right. Flip them and read. We're all over the place.

You just gave up. I like that you drew the Windows key. So what is this? I put Windows S. Close. I put Control Windows S. It's Option Windows S. Marques?

I put Alt F4. It's Option Windows S. Thereques? I put Alt F4. Marques, what are you doing? It's option Windows S. I don't think there is an option on Windows. There's Windows logo key. Alt Shift S. Windows Shift S? I actually thought about that in my brain. Or Windows logo key print screen.

I thought about that in my brain, dude. I was originally going to do Control Shift S. Oh, Windows logo print screen. Print screen. Already did Snip Tool. I believe so on some devices. Huh. Yeah, there's like literally nine others.

Is it going to be directly into the Snipping tool or like the Snipping program comes? I don't know. The new nothing ear 2 Buds have an IP rating of IP54. The 4 in IP54 describes the bud's ability to withstand what? I don't know anymore. I think I need to switch my answer.

I think I need to stop. This is like a trick question. If we somehow all say the same and all get it wrong, that will be insanely impressive. I'm switching it and I'm really not sure anymore. Yeah. I mean, you'm switching it and i'm really not sure anymore yeah because uh you're switching it can we do pencils down and then talk it through before we show it's up to the trivia masters i might talk myself out of my correct answer but you can't

change it but pencils we're not changing pencils down i've written what I think it is. Okay, so IP68 versus IP67. Whenever I see those two things, I always go, oh, ingress protection. One of these is for water. One of these is for dust. Yeah. When you go from 67 to 68, it's more water resistant.

It's more water resistant. Yeah. So I put that the IP54, that the four is water. That's what I'm thinking. Yeah, that's what I put as well for the same reasons i think yes well so then i got confused though because then there are like ipx which means it doesn't have dust but like i guess in my mind i was like yeah what doesn't have dust protection but has water well i'm wrong i put dust like an idiot well you might be right

i might be but like i guess what screwed me up is like what has water resistance but not dust resistant so well you really wrote that out yeah i i wrote down the whole thing you so water marquez water yes thank god i also wrote water oh that was way worse than i thought sorry um all dust. Stop getting so yoked all the time. So just out of curiosity. Also, just to be clear, I drew a water droplet falling. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thanks. Nice.

It's very nice. I just find it. Well, it's actually not falling. It's being sprayed at it. Do we want to do a bonus? So I think that's wrong. I would love to because I have a dream. I can't because I threw my board.

Bonus question. All right. So in honor of Android 14 developer beta. It's a developer beta, right? Yeah. Okay. In honor of the Android 14 developer preview. It's available on a bunch of devices.

What's the oldest pixel that you could download the beta on? The oldest pixel I think I know this this is a guess guess boy guess queen guest man starring Jim Carrey. Thanks, David. Hell yeah, brother. You just got that in. I might have changed it from the right answer to the wrong answer, though. Flip them. I changed it from three to four.

Hold on, we don't know. I said pixel four. I said pixel three. What? And we all know what Davidid picked up a pixel 3 the correct answer is the pixel 4a 5g oh what 4a 5g and that was wait 4a 5g is newer than the 4 yeah it's the same age as the 5 right yeah it is it came out at the same time as the 5. It did. Literally the same day as the 5. Wow. Does that mean Pixel 5?

It was like a bigger Pixel 4a. Wow. That's not that old. That's not that old. That's not that old. I expected more out of you, Google. We didn't get this wrong. You got this wrong, Google.

That's exactly right. We all got a point. Not cool. Hiroshi. Should have been older. Yeah, Hiroshi. Yeah. Well, that probably wraps it up.

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