Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Nothing's First Flagship!

Episode Date: July 4, 2025

This week, Ellis fills in for Andrew as Marques and David go over everything from news about Google Keep to new Macbook rumors. Then they give their thoughts on the new Nothing Headphones 1 and Phone 3 which were just announced! After that, they play a game of Overrated or Underrated where the usefulness of iPads, Android tablets, and a bunch more were up for debate. It's a fun one! Links: Verge - Google Keep on Apple Watch Forbes - F1 Article Tesla - Car delivery video Apple Macbook with A18 Pro Autofocus - Porsche 911 GTS Hybrid video MKBHD - Nothing Headphones 1 video Nothing - Phone (3) video Music provided by Epidemic Sound Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Social: Waveform Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Waveform Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en Hosts: Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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What's so funny? What was the thought process that made you wanna watch this movie? Cause I've never heard you say those words. You always like end up watching them. I googled it to see what the budget was. I pulled up the Wikipedia. I saw the budget.

I saw that the score was by Hans Zimmer. And I saw the trailer or the poster again. And it looks was. I pulled up the Wikipedia. I saw the budget. I saw that the score was by Hans Zimmer. And I saw the trailer or the poster again and it looks cool and I think I wanna watch this movie. So you were sold by Hans Zimmer. The whole reason that statement was really funny was. Everybody started laughing.

I was gonna watch that funny. What is up people of the internet. Welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast. We're your hosts, I'm Marques. And I'm David. And I'm Ellis. What? Yeah, so Ellis, first of all, welcome to the side of the board.

Good to have you. Video watchers have now already figured out that that means Andrew's not here. Adam is holding it down over there, which means we'll have some surrogate Andrew opinions, but I will bring them to you. I could try to be Andrew. Well, I know he gave me some things that he wanted to be on the pod, so. I don't think I can name all the planets.

So Andrew's here in spirit. But don't worry, we still have some Apple rumors, some Tesla talk, RoboTaxi stuff, and also a whole bunch of nothing to talk about. A lot of nothing. But not the kind of nothing you think that, the real nothing, the something nothing, the nothing that is a thing. The thing, yes.

It is a couple of things. You can make calls on it? One of them, arguably. Both of them. Yeah, kind of, technically, by proxy. It's gonna be a good time. But first, pour one out for another Google product. It's a bit of a running theme

where every time Google retires a product, we recognize it on the podcast, sometimes involuntarily, but this time, Google Keep on the Apple Watch. You just know more. Why would they do this to me? What? To me specifically. You're- Did you use Google Keep on the Apple Watch. You just know more. Why would they do this to me? What? To me specifically. Did you use Google Keep on the Apple Watch?

So what man? Look, okay, every time they kill a thing that Google Keep is related to, it's one more step out the door for Google Keep. This is true. And they keep integrating Google Keep into Google Tasks and then that into the calendar. But I have to say,

when Google Keep got kicked off the Apple Watch, guess what got added to the Apple Watch? What is that? Google Calendar. They just added a Google Calendar Apple Watch app. Why would they do this? I have no idea. Why would they kill keep and add calendar?

So maybe they just, the person who's in charge of Google stuff on the Apple Watch, like woke up and was like, wait a minute, I should probably add Google Calendar, but also Keep. See? My conspiracy theory, which is not gonna come true, unless I will it into existence, which I hope I don't, is that they're going to kill Keep, but then like integrate Keep's features in the calendar.

What? In a calendar? In a calendar? Why not? Should be into Tasks? Oh, I was gonna say, drive. Yeah, but Tasks is like part of Calendar now too. Yeah. Which is also part of calendar. No, yeah. Yeah

Tasks as things you do calendar is things like your Places you are and things you do. Yeah But then keep is things you need to remember quick notes. No, yeah quick notes basically Is that what keep is for? Yeah, it's like the Apple notes app. It's notes It's now so much less powerful and I yell all the time on the internet about then Why is it when you put an image in a Google Doc? It does not back it up on Google Drive anywhere. It automatically uploads it to Google Keep. Mm-hmm And it's very annoying. Yes when you drop an image So if you drop an image into a Google Doc and you think oh, this is great

My document has an image now. Yeah, the producer will easily be able to download this image. And then the producer goes, that's weird, I can't right click and download this image from a Google Doc. Oh, but I can view it in its Google Keep location. And then you go to Google Keep, and guess what Google Keep also does not have? A backup button? A download button.

Weird. It is so infuriating. Then you have to right click it and open in a new tab, and then you can download it. For that reason, thank you other producer, for that reason I literally cannot wait to cis on Google keeps great. I swear, I am so excited for this service

to get discontinued. They just need to make it better. It's a good service. It's not. There's no download option but there is a save to keep option. Yeah and then that opens up in your sidebar in Google calendar. And then you can open it up in a new tab. The there is a save to keep option. Yeah, and then that opens up in your sidebar in Google Calendar. Save to keep is so weird.

And then you can open it up in a new tab. The only thing that I use keep for is when you save, that's actually literally one thing. When you ask Google Home to add something to the shopping list, slash grocery list, it makes a new item in a Google keep item that is in a grocery list. Not Google Tasks.

See, this is my thing. There's a lot of overlap here. Yeah. And I think that- Going grocery shopping is a task. Item and not Google Yeah, but if you're going to multiple shops and you want to have like a header that breaks up the checklist, you know Like oh at Costco, I got to get this at my local grocery store. I got to get this at the farmers market I got to get this you cannot do that in Google keep they're all checkboxes Yeah, you can't just like break it in the middle to make multiple key. Yes, exactly. Yeah Well, yeah, very annoying. Okay, but I still think that Google keep is more useful on the Apple watch than Google Calendar is Google Calendar is like a whole giant calendar. Yeah, okay.

I think that's who you're counting for. It's a lot, it's big. It's like, you can't look at your whole month on your little wrist thing. You can see what's coming up next though. It's probably a weekly view. Yeah, but Google Keep, you got little check boxes and you can be, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing.

When you're going grocery shopping, boom, boom, boom. Yeah, so I'm saying. You would check them off on the watch? I could. No. No. I don't use off on the watch I could If I did maybe I would you're pretty mad about this person who doesn't use now because Every time they kill something related to keep it's one step closer to the gotcha

It's just another warning that someone remembered it exists. Yeah, they'll replace it with something else. That's bad. It'll be fine. It's good Okay, Google keep has so much potential. Yeah. It's just being held back by arbitrary weird decisions. Yeah, pretty classic Google. Welcome to Google. Yeah. Speaking of large brands,

remember like a week or two ago, it was maybe two weeks ago, that I asked the question, how did they make an F1 movie with a whole bunch of real company names all plastered over the cars and the helmets and the jerseys and stuff? And we got the answer, which is Apple,

they produced this movie, they sold sponsorships of these actual companies who paid to be in the movie and have their logos on the car, on the helmet, on the suits. This is so smart. So they made millions of dollars of just branding. Yeah. To have realistic jerseys and helmets and cars,

but also to help pay for the movie. Just like real life. Smart. I think it was the first like Avengers movie or something, but they just had like a long shot of a billboard that just said Coca Cola and they had like a truck that was driving by and it was it was like following it the whole time. It was just like Coca-Cola

I think this makes more sense because this you would see these brands in the real world on these cars anyway So it makes a lot of sense to just like let's swap them to have people pay us isn't this a thing Normally just in movies regularly yeah, like you can pay for product placement You're like this pep can over here whatever blah blah Yeah, how much more do you think they charge to be on this versus just like a passing car? I have an answer for you. I have an answer for you The article says they made 40 million dollars From all of the print the brand placements that are specifically involved with the f1 teams in the movie and the movie costs about

200 to 300 million so they literally made back like. Yeah, a good amount. Yeah, like a good amount. Yeah. Wow. So this is the first surrogate Andrew opinion interjection where he wanted you all to know about the Wayne's World product placement scene. Have you guys have you heard of this? No, I've never seen Wayne's World.

It's a movie with a it's like a minute straight of obvious product placements that- Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, as a joke, right, yeah. As a joke, but also probably could've also paid for the movie. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Do you know the inverse of this from a movie? I can't remember if it's in a movie called Repo Man or a movie called Repo Men.

I think it's Repo Men. I think it's Repo Man. I think it's, I think it's Repo Man. I think so, I think you're right. It's David Lynch, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, right? Right, now you're making, okay, it is David Lynch, right? I don't know what's real anymore. I only said that because it's out on your screen.

There's a movie called Repo Man that is from at some point in the 20th century, that's a long time ago, but they did not wanna go through the hassle of doing product placement deals. And so every product in the movie is plain white packaging with black all caps text that just says whatever product it is.

So if a character cracks a beer, it is a white pan that in black bold text just says beer. Is that not how Severance is shot as well? Severance is a slightly different flavor where the art department had to make every object from scratch. So there are no like time dating objects. Exactly, so there are no like time dating objects Yeah, exactly, but there are no brand labels period in that movie

So for them in this is like a yeah except for Lou but this is a little bit more like Wow Spoiler goofy goofy like for example There's a scene where a character goes into his fridge and pulls out what looks like a can of beans And just starts like eating it straight from the can beans on it. It just says food Is that like tongue-in-cheek on purpose? Yeah. just says beans on it. It just says food. Is that tongue in cheek on purpose? Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. Okay, got it. It's a goofy movie.

It's not the goofy movie. I was gonna say. Is it an extremely goofy movie? No, it's just a regular goofy movie. Yeah. Is it? You know what's funny? This is a video, I don't know how long ago

I saw this video, but about how YouTube videos have to disclose product placement. Yes. Especially when you're paid for anything. Yeah. Movies don't. Correct, yeah. Which is why we had to find out via an article

that Expensify, Geico, Tommy Hilfiger, all these companies were in. How is that still true? Or why is it such a big difference? It's two totally different governing bodies, it's one's the internet, one's movies. I think about that all the time. And I, as much as I'm a butt hurt content creator

on the internet, who's like, me, me, me, why do I have to go through all these hoops? I do understand that no one is watching this movie. No one's watching Brad Pitt in this movie. I really hope it's actually Brad Pitt. It is Brad Pitt. I get him and Matt Damon mixed up all the time. It's Brad Pitt, you got it. No one's watching Brad Pitt in this movie

and thinking like, wow, Brad Pitt is a real race car driver who really, really likes Expensify. Whereas like, when people watch us, I'm not saying that we're super duper passionate about every ad read we've ever done, but it is us telling you directly to buy something. Like, like, like, and it's, so there should be, you shouldn't be able to see me go and like,

damn, Ellis really loves Skittles. Like every video he's putting them back, man. When in actuality, like, you know, I don't, I actually don't like Skittles that much in real life. But so I would, anyway, this is going way off the charts. No, you're, that's a valid point. I just feel like I could blur that line a good amount. Like if there was a movie, if there is a superhero

that everybody loved in a movie, that's obviously not real, but it's a superhero and the superhero always drives a certain type of car like maybe say Like let's just make up a name James Bond or something like that and he always drives Always drives the same type of car always wears the same and I just feel like that would be while it isn't a personal endorsement It still has the same Just level of like Inspiring people to purchase the product here's it still has the same level of inspiring people to purchase the product. Do I hear Gemini's answer?

Yeah, but that's like a partnership more so, isn't it? Sure, but it's just that example of like, they don't have to disclose that that's paid for. If a company paid to be the product that the superhero likes in the movie, they don't have to disclose that. Even though I don't think Aston actually pays for that, I think it's like so baked into the brand. Oh, I just made that one up. That's a I made up a company

Yeah, just I just made like bond my buddy James yeah, anyway, but no one Wow, that was so funny. I totally lost Do you want to hear Gemini's answer? Okay, so apparently Wow, that was so funny. I totally lost my train of thought. Do you want to hear Gemini's answer for why this is the case? OK, so apparently people are supposed to have an understanding that things in movies are fictional. And so when a character paid for and paid for. Yeah, it's saying like that when a character in a movie is like using a product, it's like that character is not that person.

So you are not being like, oh, I trust this person. Whereas the reason on YouTube is that because it is a real person saying a real thing, and it's not assumed to be like a fictional character. What if I had like a comedy skit? Yeah, I mean, it gets dicey. And also how come Apple's allowed to sue if the bad guy uses an iPhone,

if it's implicitly fictional? I don't know if they can actually do that. However, I do have a thing I wanted to mention about that specifically, because my friend Caleb, he's a VFX supervisor on movies, so he goes and he helps them frame the shots so it's easier to do the supervision stuff. And he says that specifically,

they do worry about Apple getting mad at them. So they always make sure to like, they have to like perfectly mask the UI and like make sure that it's a little different. The logos especially. Yeah, whereas with Android phones, they don't worry about it at all. And I asked why I was like, is that a legal thing?

And he's like, I don't think so, but we just are more careful with it because Apple's more scary. It has to be a legal thing. Like what else could they be scared of? You're a movie producer, you have no relationship with Apple. You show Apple in a movie and Apple gets mad at you. That just is code for a lawsuit, I think.

I don't know, I think Apple is such a big company that's involved in so many different industries. That Apple and China book, a lot of that book is companies doing things just because they're scared. Like no reason other than like Apple could bankrupt us and literally not think twice about it. And so even if we're not like legally exposed,

like there's no point in trying to go. This is what he exactly said. He said, the iPhone has to behave like an iPhone would in reality. So no skins of any different brand or anything. Everything has to be exactly, exactly accurate. And I said, is that something that Apple mandates somehow? And he said, yes, I've had to do so many shows that we had to recreate graphics for iPhones to the T. And I said, how do they even have the right to force that? And he said, well, it mostly has to do with

legal departments for many different companies covering their bases. I've never had to stick to stock Android for any phone because they just don't care. Sounds right. It sounds like Apple cares and no one else cares. That sounds like what it is. I bet you Google could sue if they wanted to,

but they're just like, why? You misrepresented the Pixel. Meanwhile, they're just like, they used the Pixel. Oh my god, the Pixel, there it is! That's funny. Yeah, that's probably all fair. Well, now we know how the brands got into the F1 movie. I mentioned before the show, I think I'm gonna see this movie.

I'll probably watch it on a plane or something. Now everyone knows what Expensify is. Yeah, do they? I didn't watch the movie, so I don't know what they're talking about. I didn't, but I used Expensify at Android Authority when we used it. Yeah. Do they? I didn't watch the movie, so I don't know what they're talking about. I didn't, but I used Expensify at Android Authority. We used it. Oh, what does it do?

Yeah. Careful, you might endorse it. That's what it sounds like. I think there's like 1,000 different apps that do this now, so they're probably not that special. But it was pretty innovative at the time. It was like business expenses and stuff. Basically, you take a photo of a receipt

from like a business expense and it would automatically like parse it. There's an article here that says, Expensify capitalizes on F1 movie sponsorship to boost user growth and expand international product features. Is that written in the article? Let's go.

No, it's a Tribune article. It's a real article. I'll put it in the Slack. It's really happening. Also related to F1 before we get off the topic. Whoa, David with an F1 update? Yeah. No, no, sorry. Not related to f1 before we get off the topic. Whoa, David with an f1 up there Yeah, no, no, sorry not really to have one related to the the movie. Okay got it. Yeah Anyway, so we talked about the the vibration

I talked about this off the podcast too, but I just want to say this on the record so people can scream at me on the record The vibrational trailer that everyone was super hyped about, just go buy a Sony Xperia XZ2. Actually it's XZ2, David. That's true. I was gonna make the joke, but it's actually six years ago that that phone came out. I thought it was longer, to be honest.

Yeah, so the six years ago jokes. It was curved in a way where it slipped off of everything, and then when it would vibrate, it would just slide around. Oh yeah. The most obvious consideration for a phone that vibrates. It was not the greatest shape. I mean, Xperia phones, that sounds about right.

I just, and we were talking about this before. I just think it's funny because at the time when that came out, it has this vibrational, it has this giant vibration motor that can, I guess, like parse the waveform of any audio source and then it sort of vibrates to that. And everyone was like, all right, including me. And then this comes out and everyone's like,

wow, a vibrating trailer. Yeah, there was just certain, there was a couple of phones that did that, I think. I don't know if HTC Boom Sound did this, but there was like an LG phone that would also like, have the phone vibrate to whatever the bass frequency was. And so if your song had like a bass line, your phone would, vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv that would also have the phone vibrate to whatever the bass frequency was. So if your song had a bass line, your phone would.

Vroom, vroom, vroom. Yeah. It was a thing. We used to live in God's country where every phone that would come out would have some really bad gimmick, and I loved that. I mean, to be fair, this Apple trailer was also still a gimmick.

Yeah, it was. Yeah. But iPhone users, it's been a while since I've seen a gimmick like that. That's true. They were really into it. Hey, Yeah it was. Yeah. But iPhone users, it's been a while since I've seen a gimmick like that. That's true. They were really into it. Hey. Yeah.

Image playground ain't that old. T.J., fair enough. Is it really a gimmick if not a single person has ever used it? Isn't that what makes it a gimmick? I haven't even tested it. Maybe I've tested it. I've opened it, I guess.

It mainly shows up in YouTube videos and then once in a while people use it as a joke, I think. Yeah. Image play, yeah, yeah. Alright. Well, speaking of cars... Speaking of jokes. That was good. Speaking of jokes.

Damn, Alan. What? No, that was a good segue. Come at me! Speaking of cars, that was good. Thank you. Tesla did, in fact, deliver the first car from the factory fully autonomously. I will eat my words.

I don't remember exactly what I said on the last podcast, but I think some of us agree that they would not do that on time, but they did. They did it a day early. Yeah, they did it actually before they said they would. My main two things, one is like, okay, this is cool. They had like a route, they had a customer that was somewhat near to the factory.

So they just had the thing drive through the plant, out the door and just to the customer's house. That's impressive, objectively speaking. But two- And he wasn't living at the factory. Right, some distance from the factory. But two is, while that is a really impressive tech demo, because we see these all the time,

do we actually want that? Like I thought that when buying a car, you'd maybe at least wanna like inspect it first and if it's got any blemishes, maybe something scratched it or something, you would want to not get it delivered. Isn't this a big thing with Teslas? Yeah. Do you want it to just show up at your door one day

and it's like, there's your car. I also wonder if the legal stuff that becomes, because generally you don't have to take ownership of your car until you say, okay, there's no problem. Yeah, you sign some paperwork. But what are the legal implications if it drives itself to you and then it gets scuffed up by rocks

that hit it on the road? Yeah, you probably signed the, I think you probably, in this case, as a total guess, you probably sign all the paperwork before it leaves the factory, and then you agree to the conditions of this delivery, which are if anything happens between the factory, and then you agree to the conditions of this delivery, which are if anything happens between the factory and your house, then-

How do they prove it happened between the factory and your house? I mean, I'm sure there's someone, like, you know when you rent a car, you walk around, you take pictures of it all around? I'm sure there's someone there like doing a quality assurance check, and then be like, yep, this one's good,

send it out the door. Yeah, I'm not saying it's like, oh no, this is horrible, but there are some interesting questions that we had when you have this new paradigm, yeah. It's also, you know, this is horrible, but there are some interesting questions that we had. We have this new paradigm. It's also, you know, this is every like thing that happens in the self-driving world, there's always a question of scalability, which is why, you know, people freak out about geofencing. It's like it has to be everywhere, like this sensor versus that sensor. This is to me just a tech demo because this only scales to people who live near factories.

Which is now. Theoretically. Well, unless they're gonna charge themselves, which they don't. Or have enough range to drive like 200 miles. So if you live within 200 miles of one of the Tesla factories, then this is cool. But obviously that's not a ton of people.

I mean, it was definitely more of a tech demo. I mean, you think they could like send it to a Tesla delivery area, like a Tesla. Like ship it there and then have it drive to you. Yeah, like ship it there and then the last mile, let it do its thing, drive it to you. You know, like. Yeah, but they could do that already.

That last mile is the hardest part. So like, if you just ship it to like where the delivery showroom is and then have it drive away from there, then you're. That is true, but I think they could do that already. I think the big deal about this was no one ever sat in the car or drove the car It was just autonomously through from the end of the assembly line to the person's house. Yeah which again is like super impressive and it went well and no incidents and that's great, but like

It's more about the scalability. I think for sure also what happens if Your car gets pulled over on the way to you and you get your new car with tickets on it? I mean, I think probably got a... I'm sure the cop is gonna know what to do if no one's in the car or any positive person. That would be hilarious.

Unless it starts happening way more. Starts making illegal lefts and they're like... Has Waymo ever been like... Ticketed? Ticketed. I don't know. I'm sure they got like parking tickets or like parking violations. It's gotta happen by now.

I wonder if you've gotten like a driving violation. Like rolling through a stop sign and the cops like chasing it through the street. That was a yield. The cop walks up to the car and he goes, can I see your license and registration please? And it's like bing, bing, bing. The window rolls down, nobody's in the car.

I have no context, but I am currently on Reddit watching a police body cam of a window driver. So. Driving on the wrong side of the road. So he walks up to the car and talks. Oh, cause there's a person on the phone in the car. So it notices when it gets pulled over. This is not, we can't determine anything real.

I have no context for this video. But that is pretty funny. That's pretty funny. That would be a good way to handle it though. Like if it notices it's getting pulled over, just like call a Tesla employee and have them talking over the phone. Well, it seems like that's what Waymo does. Yeah, that's smart. pretty funny. That would be a good way to handle it though. If it notices it's getting pulled over, just call a Tesla employee and have them talk over the speaker phone. Well, it seems like that's what Waymo does.

Yeah, yeah, that's smart. So funny. Okay, Google would think of that. Life hacks. It reminds me of a super old video where Tesla had that self-parking feature, and then they had a skit video that they put on their YouTube channel.

Have you seen this? Where a cop attempts to give it a parking ticket, and so it just pulls out and goes to another parking space, and then they try to give it another ticket, so it just pulls out and goes to another parking space, and then they try to give it another ticket, and it just pulls out and goes to another parking space. It was kind of a joke, but it was also like, these cars parked themselves, imagine if they just kept reparking themselves.

It was funny at the time, okay? I thought it was cute. Yeah. Meet the zoo. It would have been more funny if the CEO of that company wasn't doing that in real life with more serious laws Maybe I don't know. There are laws I'm sitting in Andrews here. I don't think I could name all the laws. Every time we talk about cars people yell at us

But you know what they don't yell at us about. Oh, maybe. Never, not once. Never. Yeah, never. Being in trivia, baby. No one has ever gotten mad about a waveform trivia segment. Guys, from the big table right here, don't look at my computer, you might see the answer. I mean, Adam could ask the first trivia question, but I wrote it, so I would know the. Let him have it.

Okay. Yeah, let me have this, guys. Yesterday was my birthday. Yesterday? Happy birthday! Yeah. I'm sorry. It's okay.

You didn't wish him happy birthday? No! David, in your defense, when I texted you last night, I texted you at 12 30 a.m. So it was after my birthday. Yeah, I was in London. It was 5 30 a.m. for me. Anyway, guys. Reasonable doubt. This first question is an F1 sponsorship question.

Ooh. Like it's sponsored by F1. Yes, yes, and it's not any of the basic ones. Yeah, exactly. As an internet content creator, I am recording this. Sponsorship question. Ooh. Like it's sponsored by F1? And it's not any of the basic ones. Yeah, exactly. I am, as an internet content creator, I am, no. It's not gonna be any of the basic ones.

It's not Mission Winno. It's no barcode. It's none of the. I don't know any of those. None of the goofy ones. This is a real deep cut, guys. Okay. Which of the following chart-topping musical acts

had their logo on an F1 car during a Grand Prix race. A, Smash Mouth, B, BTS, C, ABBA, or D, Coldplay. It's between two to me. Which two? Wow. Or maybe don't say. Yeah, which two? Now I'm gonna-

I want Mark has to know. I have a hunch, but I don't know exactly. But you know, answers will be at the end, like usual. Was that band that Steve Jobs was obsessed with and like forced everyone to listen to Coldplay? U2. U2.

Oh, it would be U2. U2's cool, man. U2 and and Coldplay are like the same. I was afraid we're gonna get an all the above Say it again, I just said it What'd you just say? You said you two and Coldplay are like the same band. In my brain You two they're the same band. One of the most famous Like Coldplay is also famous. I know, but. David, I'm with you. U2 is famous. Same band in my head. Thank you.

Guys, I just wanna illustrate how ridiculous this is. U2 is like one of the most famous rock and roll bands of all time. Rock and roll. Coldplay is a band specifically famous for not having a guitar player in it. I knew neither of those guys. There's no guitar player in Coldplay?

This is how ridiculous what you guys are saying. When I think of U2, I just think of. Ha, na, na, na, na, na. There's no guitar player in Coldplay. This is how ridiculous I think of you guys. I think of That's what it sounds like I just googled each of the bands they both have old people in them Same same band. So they're both British too, right? Aren't they? Oh, I lied. They're totally as a guitar Still and on that note... Oh my god, and he lists U2 as one of his biggest influences. They are very different bands. They are very different bands.

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And that something is the fact that there is a new report that Apple is reportedly looking to ship a 13 inch MacBook with an iPhone ship either later this year or early next year return of the macbook baby yeah return the back this is interesting it's big news uh i'm curious because it's 13 inches which is the same size as the macbook air so my question becomes does this become a lower tiered macbook air that's like 800 bucks instead of a thousand which is so like crazy that's like 800 bucks instead of a thousand, which would sell like crazy. Or is this, what I wanted was a new 12 inch MacBook. That would be funnier. This could be, you're saying like below the air.

Well, yeah. Like even thinner and lighter than the air. Oh, I don't care if it's thinner and lighter. I just wanted like a smaller screen. Oh, smaller screen? Yeah. Maybe just like smaller footprint, I guess. Yeah, footprint.

Yeah. Yeah, this was interesting to me. I mean, obviously we know the A chips and the iPhones and the M chips in Apple Silicon Macs are related. M chips are basically scaled up A chip. Essentially, yeah. So when you, but they're so scaled up. Like the difference between an M1 and an A18

is pretty vast. Pretty vast. It would be a real, it would essentially be. Like a Chromebook. Yeah, like the level of power in an iPhone. Yeah, which is a lot. Which is a lot. It is a lot for a phone, but I don't know,

I guess I'm picturing the things people would want to do on like a 12 inch MacBook, which is web browsing and like lightweight apps and things. Yeah, I guess kind of a Chromebook. I have not read, and correct me if I'm wrong, in any of these rumor leaks that this is gonna be running Mac OS. I feel like everyone just saw a MacBook,

a Mac soon, Mac OS. I think that's implied though. MacBooks. It's totally implied. However, however, early days, got a Love Island reference in there. I don't know, man, I just, I could see, I could see this being more of a Chromebook. I could see this running.

You think you're gonna have a whole new OS? Well, to be honest, I could just see them doing a weirdly modified version of iPad OS. That's what I was gonna say. For a MacBook? Well, okay, if you're gonna go there, cause iPad OS, iPad OS is specifically touch first. So this would have to be a MacBook that specifically touch first.

So this would have to be a MacBook that is touch first. Which seems off limits to me, I would say. There is not much. Okay, here we go, here we go, ready? I'm ready. The MacBook, this is gonna sound crazy. The MacBook has been touch first for a very long time. And I mean that not to say that there is a touchscreen

in the MacBook, but Mac OS is so, so, so optimized for a track pad. There are so many different ways to interact with this computer with one to four fingers. And you know from the way Apple's design team operates, like they really do think about a physical connection between your body and the computer when it comes to designing Mac OS. Ergo, a lot of that has ended up in iPad OS

since you can use a trackpad with it, right? Pinch to zoom, four finger swipe, now you got this new window system. And a free floating mouse. So I thought you could get between full screen apps with a four finger swipe on iPadOS. That's actually a swipe from the bottom bar. On iPadOS?

Yeah. Okay. But the thing about iPadOS. There are similarities, there are things that they've brought over. Yeah. And I don't think it would be too much of a stretch to make iPadOS just as functional.

I mean, if you lock it in a trackpad. The MacBook requires more precision mousing and that's why the iPad, especially with the new pointer on the iPad, it sort of enlarges the elements a little bit. The previous version where it was a fake circle mouse, it would just like snap to it. But David, keyword,

it's not the MacBook that needs precision. It's Mac OS. Yeah. I would be doubtful. But it's also 13 inches. But why? There's no, it's the same as the Air. I know, but why would Apple ever kneecap a full Mac OS product by giving it an A18 Pro,

which would struggle with so many tasks? It wouldn't really struggle. I know why. I think we're looking at two directly, like diametrically opposed philosophies, which is one, the A chips in the iPhone are meant to run iOS, and a MacBook by name is meant to run Mac OS.

So we kind of, that's why it's weird to see A chip in MacBook. And so we're trying to figure out, are they going to make this more of a Mac or more of an iPhone slash iPad because of the internals. Now, if it's a Mac, if it's a 12 inch Mac or a 13 inch Mac, whatever, it has to run Mac OS

and it has to not have a touchscreen. So is the point of running the A18 chip to be extremely power efficient and we can already make a billion of these chips for no money and this is gonna be like the ultra lightweight, you know, netbook of 2025. Is that what we're picturing? I think it's just like they need an even lower end computer

to sell to compete with even lower end computers. To go to the Chromebooks. Because at this point, like the cheapest MacBook Air, the 999 MacBook Air that we have, is a pretty competent computer at this point. And so if you're Apple and you're like, you know what we could do? We could offer a $600 computer laptop.

That would be crazy. Which would be awesome for getting people into Mac OS and being an entry point for the whole thing. Then I could see, in my world, I would go, okay, put an M1 chip in there. You can make a thousand of those for no money. But going all the way to the A chip feels like they're building, you know, the price ladders

where they're like, here, you could buy the super cheap ultra lightweight machine, but it's barely able to do what you want it to do, so you might as well get a MacBook Air. That's what it feels like. I mean, how would they communicate that to people though? How would they communicate? Like, obviously they could communicate, like,

this is a bottom tier MacBook, but for the average person who would see M4, M5, whatever we're on when this comes out, and then would also see A18 Pro, would they know that that's the chip from the iPhone? Yeah, that would have to be Apple messaging that this computer is extremely thin and light. It's called iMessage, actually.

They would have to show the world and demo to people that this is the thinnest and lightest machine available. I mean, obviously there's gonna be no fans. An A18 chip runs on a tiny phone this big, so the whole PCB only has to be that big, plus some batteries, it's gonna be so thin. This is something you can think about battery consumption.

Yeah, this thing could be all batteries. This thing could last for so long. But that's not the Apple way. The Apple way is give it all day battery life and give it the thinnest amount of battery you possibly can. This could be the thinnest laptop ever, guys. That's true, it could be a thinner. This will not be the computer to run Chrome on.

No, not. I don't know, I think it's just money. So I think it's like, it could be 700 or $800 and then probably 800. And then they could have some benefits they could say it has better battery life it's a little less powerful so you're not gonna be doing like heavy stuff but if you're just like a lot less writing notes you need something that you want to like throw around with you bring around with you you want an iPad I don't know I Apple is trying to

make every price to your possible with like every product possible. And they already have that with the iPad. They have the cheap iPads, they have the mid tier, and they have the expensive ones. But the MacBook, they have the really expensive ones, and they have the like really good value ones, like the MacBook Air is insanely good value for what it is, but they don't have the like,

oh, I have very little money to spend on my new computer. I'm a broke college student, you know, that kind of thing. Yeah, like the cheapest desktop Mac, the Mac mini is a good deal. It was like $5.99 to start, I think, for students, maybe $5 or $6.99. If they had a laptop at that price too, then that would be a nice entry point for a laptop.

Yeah, as a student, I would never want a desktop. Right. So that's, yeah, it's an interesting idea. And they probably have a ton of A18 Bionic chips leftover interesting idea and they probably have a ton of 18 Bionic chips left over but don't they have a ton of m1 ships to that's yeah, probably but again, I Don't know like they make m1 iPads. Yeah already Maybe they don't have as many m1 chips left over because they're putting in them in the iPads Maybe I think this is how they can sell 900 of them to schools.

That's a great point. That's a great point because Chromebooks also, yeah, if they make them cheap enough, they could probably convince schools to go MacBook over Chromebook. That is a very big market for Google. True. And as long as you get kids indoctrinated

into your platform. Chromebooks are really cheap, though. They are. Chromebooks that schools are buying are like, yeah, like two, 300, not 600. Yeah, for sure. I mean, they might give them some sort of subsidy. Because to them, it's user acquisition, right?

Like it's a user acquisition cost of a four-year-old. They seem really into that. Because they've got teenagers locked up in America, they might as well start going, use Apple now. It's like, hey, iMessage for the six year olds. You've already got your Apple watch. They're really into that.

Yeah, so. I just wanna lay a future Alice prediction for that'll come and bite me later. But I do not think if this computer ships, it is going to ship with a full unmodified Mac OS. I don't know if it'll be like iPad OS for Macs. If they call it that, I'm gonna laugh. That'd be insane. But I really, I just really don't know if it'll be like iPad OS for Macs. If they call it that, I'm gonna laugh. That'd be insane.

But I really, I just really don't. Yeah, I do think it would be very confusing if they do. Yeah, I think they will. Because then like, are you gonna download Final Cut Pro on this thing? No, if they did, you'd get a bunch of pop-up windows that were like, sorry, this application can only be opened on, and people are gonna freak out

because no one who would consider buying this computer overlaps with the people who know what the A18 Pro is. Unless it can only open Safari. Counterpoint. Yeah. Counterpoint, the A18 Pro is probably faster than like the i7 MacBook from a number of years ago. Do you think so?

M1 would be, I just don't know about the A18, it's so small. Yeah, I don't know about A18. I have the specs up right here. Does run at four gigahertz, which is not nothing. Those chips are supposed to run in phones at such a low power draw that maybe if they're like supposed to run with way more power,

they can actually do these great things. Imagine a laptop that lasts like a week. I mean, I love the idea. I just don't think that's on Apple's radar. Lower power, lower, yeah, it doesn't do as much, but it lasts a week. I mean, that would be amazing. That sounds great to me.

Sounds great to me. I don't know enough about chips. Can you benchmark an A18 Pro against an M1? Or are they too fundamentally different to like actually benchmark it? You can use the same benchmarks. Can you? They have such different memory.

Yeah, they both use swap memory. I don't know. Yeah, you wouldn't, I mean, we've never seen an A chip run Mac apps, so it's like, they won't be the same application. But I can run Geekbench on both and have it do do some similar things, and that gives you a sort of sense of what it's capable of,

but yeah, the iPhone is not meant to do running these apps on the Mac, which is why it's very hard to say. Moving on to Nothing. It always hits when we get to say that. Yeah, it's really never gonna get old. I'm really glad we have nothing to talk about today. Yeah, so Nothing has, thank you, It's really never gonna get old. I'm really glad we have nothing to talk about today. Yeah.

So Nothing has... Thank you. Nothing has unveiled two new things. We can talk about either one of them first. They unveiled the Nothing Headphone 1 and the Nothing Phone 3. I've reviewed the Nothing Headphone 1, so if you're watching this and you haven't already seen the full review,

go check that out. The video's on the main channel. We are showing you both of the versions here. I have the dark ones in my hand. I reviewed the light ones. People thought I was maybe compromised or hurt or forced to do that, but I just think they look better on camera,

so I used the light ones. But if I had to buy a pair, I think these black ones look pretty good. Question number one, I guess we'll start with the headphones since we've got them here. Yeah, headphone one. Let's go around the room.

Okay. Ugly or not ugly? I think pretty decent looking headphones. When you get them in your hands, they're unique. When you put them on your head, especially the dark ones, I think they look pretty decent. I think they look better in person than they do online.

Agreed. I have some hot takes I do think that the shape of the plastic piece on the on the sides should be the same curvature as the Actual headphone like squirtle thing. I think that would look better. I agree and the corner radius is just like weird It's just weird having two different shapes inset into each other And then the other thing is that they used like plastic to cover it. I think if they'd been able to use like glass

that didn't shatter in some way. Glass? Yeah, I don't know. The plastic, it just gets oily and gets fingerprints on it easily and it looks a little bit cheap. Yeah, David and I noticed this morning the black one. The black one especially.

Gets very fingerprinty. Yeah. Yeah. And it kind of just takes away from the premium look of the of the aluminum on the headphones. So Do you think they're ugly? Yeah, I like the way they look Just like men's warehouse indecisive. I'm so indecisive on these I'm so torn because I feel like when I'm looking at them I like the way they look yeah, and then picture myself wearing them, and I'm like, mm, I don't know. They're a little too out there for me.

A story time. I was in London yesterday, and I was wearing them at a cafe. And a woman came up to me, the barista at the cafe. She came up to me and she goes, excuse me, we keep talking about your headphones behind the bar. What are they? They look so cool. That's what they want.

That's straight from an ad. You're living in another. It literally happened. That's what they want. That's straight from an ad. Literally. You're living in another. It literally happened. That is why they are designed this way. And I don't know if I want that experience. I don't want to have to explain to people what my cool headphones are. Well, which is probably why you get the black ones, right?

Yeah, yeah. So I tested the light ones. And I got this question a lot, like Marquez, how did you test them on an airplane if you're not allowed to show them to people? Oh, we had to figure that out. Just had to do it. I just had to trust that nobody would do anything.

Do it. I tested the light ones. And I think the thing about flying with headphones is the headphones are supposed to be, at least in part, a statement of, probably don't talk to me right now. I'm wearing headphones. And if your headphones are a statement of, probably don't talk to me right now, I'm wearing headphones. And if your headphones are a conversation starter,

it does the exact opposite. So that's something to keep in mind. Nobody came up to me though and asked, were you wearing the light ones when that happened? Yeah, nobody came up to me and asked me about the headphones. I think the light ones are gonna catch a lot more attention. They definitely do catch more attention.

But the other thing about them is, and we haven't even talked about how they sound yet, but I think they are built very well. They feel great. They're comfortable. They're a little bit heavier than your all plastic headphones, your Bose's, your Sony's, but maybe like 10 to 15%. And you do notice that on the ear cups

because that's the metal that you're holding, but they're really well built, solid, comfortable headphones. They don't feel too heavy on the head head like they're there the band is light I like the texture of like the soft touch everywhere is really nice the padding like that touches that very top of the your head is nice I just hate that they don't fold yeah so they don't hold like down they basically rotate they rotate the ear cups rotate they do rotate the correct way which I will give them credit for, instead of rotating backwards like Sony used to.

Now, there is a bunch of buttons on them. Bunch of buttons. Physical controls. Yeah, so they made a big deal about the fact that they sort of wanted to make them more intuitive to use than other headphones, which I thought was a bit of a stretch. Yeah, I didn't get to use these

for more than like five minutes. So like as you guys actually used them, did you think they were actually intuitive? I have to remap your wiring in your brain. A little. I love the controls. Yeah, so let's talk about the controls. There's this one wheel on one of the sides

that looks like a little pill, and you can turn it up and down to have the volume go up and down. And there's this nice little click sound that kind of like, That's great. Like a scrolling sound, it's cool. You can tap that in to do playback, to do play or pause, and then you can hold it for the assistant.

Now hold is A and C on or off. A and C on or off. For that? Right, sorry, yeah. And it makes this, ah, ah. Yeah, it's really weird. Which is so weird. It is what it is.

And then they have this paddle on the side. You want to talk about the paddle? The paddle, you can also reach and just quickly identify without being able to see it. It's a forward or backward track, or you can hold it down to fast forward or hold it back to rewind. It works exactly as intended in Apple Music

and it works kind of in chunks in some other apps, but still very easy to go next track or previous track. I think that the worst button on these headphones is that there is a Bluetooth pairing button that is very, very, very hidden. I don't mind that one. Next to the ear cup. And I understand that you probably use that

less than any other button on the headphones, so it makes sense to not make it prominent. But I was trying to connect these to the Nothing X app for like hours and I literally I was like, they're not, how do you put them in pairing mode? I do not understand. In the box, when you take them out of the box, the box just says, open the box and press the pairing button.

But I couldn't find it anywhere. Oh, it is subtle, is I think very good that you can't accidentally press it. I think that's why it's designed like flush like that. Yeah. And then the last button is on the outside of the right ear cup is just a single button that you can remap with the NothingX app to do whatever.

So by default, that just does the assistant on your phone. You can also map that to the essential space, or you can do a long press as well to do something else. I kept forgetting this was a real button. Yeah. Wait, so it does go, you can map it to the essential space? Yeah. And then it would take a voice note?

Yes. From the mic on the headphones. You can basically talk to it a bunch and then the essential space will like AI summarize what you talked to it about. Can you like save notes and to-do lists and stuff like that? Well, you can save notes to the essential space. Yeah, there's a limited amount of things.

You can't do like whatever you want with this button, but you can do several different things in the Essential Space. And obviously that's only if you're using it with a nothing phone that has the Essential Space feature. But otherwise it triggers the Assistant and stuff, which is annoying. Listen, I'm always here for more remampable buttons.

Yeah. I'm here for it, yeah. They are co-designed by, not KEH, KEF. Sound by KEF, which it says in text on the outside of the headphones. Oh wow, yeah. I have never actually used any other KEF products, but I did snipe that there is one other set

of active noise canceling headphones on their website. The rest is mostly speakers. A lot of you guys were telling me about KEF in the comments. I bought the headphones. You bought them? I bought them. So I own the KEF MU7s. Yeah.

And they're fine. Very generic, very generic headphones. A lot of passive noise isolation plus ANC, which is also similar to these Nothing headphones. That's their thing. Yeah, that'll bring us into the sound of these. I think these sound like mixing headphones a little bit. What does that mean?

It means that they're, well. Okay, okay. Yeah, tell Ellis. Yeah, yeah, tell. What do you consider the ones we are wearing right now? Just finish your thought. The M50s? Aren't they mixing headphones?

Not technically, no. But they're flat enough. Okay. They're good enough for us. What I mean by that is that the sound signature is very flat. Like it doesn't feel like very heavy in any of the specific frequencies like heavy in the bass, heavy in the treble vids, whatever. There's a bass. There's an app where you can, you know, there's an equalizer app in the nothing X app but and like I've messed around with that but it never really felt sort of like I don't know it felt pretty flat to me and

they sound fine mm-hmm but I feel like they could sound better like like beats I don't know I don't know I haven't really listened to me really bassy yeah like more base no I mean annoyingly I just really like the AirPods Pro. They just sound really, really good. That's cheating though. I, yeah. Well, yeah, but, and I understand that these are over-ear headphones, so they're different,

and I haven't really used AirPods Max extensively. I can compare them, so I've used a bunch, yeah, I've used Sony's for a while, I've used AirPods Max quite a bit, and like I said, I flew with these. These noise cancellation wise are like a seven out of 10, maybe an eight, they have really good passive isolation, which I noticed.

And then when you turn on ANC, they sound great, but with loud white noise, like an airplane, it was still getting through. Where the Sony's- That's what I noticed too. The Sony's would just completely block that stuff out. Yeah. So that's why I'm putting up like a seven or eight out of 10 with ANC and then the sound quality itself,

the way it's balanced, it's a little bassier for me, it's a little more fun sounding, a little more V shaped to me. I thought it sounded totally fine. And it was great for podcast music, whatever, I had no issues with it. I also played a tiny bit with the equalizer. You can jack up your sound with the equalizer.

And I was kind of just playing a little bit with the frequency. I mean, you just reviewed the Sony M6s. XM6s are incredible. They're a lot better. They are better. So here's the way I ended the video. The M6s are better in every dimension

you'd buy headphones for. They sound better. They have better ANC. They're lighter, more comfortable. You can wear them for longer, longer battery life, sound better, they have better ANC, they're lighter, more comfortable, you can wear them for longer, longer battery life, better case, everything's better about them. But, are they $150 better? Because nothing is only, I say only,

they're charging $300 for these headphones, which in the world of $300 headphones, this is about par. Like the metal is above average build quality, like the ANC is about right. Like these are solid $300 headphones. The Sony's are $450 new. So if you're gonna compare those two,

like yes, the Sony's are better, but I think you could argue the nothing ones are a better deal. Where it gets interesting is if you have an older pair of like the Mark 3's or Mark 4's from Sony, then it's like you're playing in the same price range. Then it's just like, do you prefer the design here? Do you prefer the controls here?

Also the Sony's go on sale for $100 like every single holiday. Yeah. So I prefer the physical controls on the Nothing. I prefer the build quality of the Nothing. And I actually like the design of the Nothing headphones. Yeah, yeah, that's what I like. That's what I like.

How do I pair these? The pairing button. So you gotta turn them on first. See my freaking point. So on the right ear cup, there's a flip switch to turn on from. We're on. And then you hold down the Bluetooth button

on the inside of the left ear cup. I didn't even find that button. That's what I'm saying. It took me like an hour. Inside the right ear cup for like three seconds. I would have never found that. No, I just realized, because you guys have been having these

for the past few weeks, I haven't actually heard them. So I'll let you know how mixing headphones do. Do you wanna just connect them to my phone that they're already connected to? All right, so we're getting a live Ellis headphone. Let's do this, boys. If you ever see me, I have no idea if I'm an ANC or not. Wait, Ellis, these white ones look really dope.

Oh, no, it'll breathe into your ear. They look really dumb on you? No, really dope. They do look good. Thanks. I think they're really good looking. If you ever see me using the built-in EQ on a pair of headphones, know that it's not me.

That's your cry for help. No, no, it's literally not me. It's like some sort of secret agent that's impersonating me, and you need to kill him as soon as possible. If these are not mixing headphones, like what would these be considered? Consumer headphones.

These are just consumer, I mean, these are gonna try to compete with Beats. These, these are also consumer. I mean, these are gonna try to compete with Beats. These are also consumer headphones, but in the genre of- Are they much flatter to allow for more- Yeah, because mixing headphones are soulless, blank EQ. I thought these were.

These aren't quite that flat. They're still flatter than average. It's a spectrum. These have a little more bass. There's beats on one end and there's the Sony MDR headphones on the other end and these are closer to that, but it's not like blank. Right, okay.

Ellis has got a face. He's thinking. As he listens to his headphones. Thinking face. He's impressed. A little bit of a nod. Interesting. He's streaming Bluetooth music to the headphones.

The best headphones I've listened to the new Streetlight Manifesto tracks on are on the AirPods Pro. Do you think he's listening to YouTube with Coldplay right now? What's the difference? Same thing. They do look really good. He's switching tracks again.

He's moving to another music track. I'm sorry, I'm sure this is like so much fun to watch right now. No, we're narrating what you're doing, it's great. Yeah. I do think they're good looking headphones. I just used them on the plane this morning and I do think that the ANC is good in the high end mids

but the low end ANC doesn't work at all. I had it on high and it was just like, mm, I could still hear the airplane. The droning of the airplane. Oh, interesting. Usually it's in reverse. Like it usually is really good at taking out those things. I know, that's what was weird.

Like there was no, yeah, I couldn't hear anything. And when people talk to me, I can't hear it. But the actual sound of the airplane, the like low hum, I could hear it like very well. I think my distinguishing, my observation was the exact same, but I thought it was volume based. I think it's just the plane is so loud

that it was just, the floor is just a little bit above zero. Yeah, but when I use other headphones, like it cuts it. Right, so I'm saying these, the ANC in these is not strong enough to cancel the loudness of the plane, no matter what frequency it is. Maybe. But when people talk, that's not gonna be loud enough. Yeah.

Anyway. Yeah. Alice is still going. So should we move on to the phone while he finishes testing? Sure, yeah. We'll move on to the phone. The phone. Well, I finished his test sure To the phone the phone My review I don't know man, I don't know man. I am so like the worst person to ask about headphones

That's not true. It is true. It is true. Unfortunately, it's just cuz I really just feel like it's whatever you like The best is always gonna be the best. But what I think about these is that things that I really appreciate, Subbass, like all headphones is not awesome, that you don't really even perceive those frequencies with your ears, so headphones would not be able to reproduce them anyway.

You don't feel it in your chest? You do feel it in your chest. I know. With those headphones, I mean. No, yeah, yeah. I mean no headphones like this I was gonna say if you had some sort of like busy bizarre like try anyway So but that point really quick to kind of loop into what we were talking about earlier Oh while I had an see no my no no from like the beginning of the pod that CES demo that I tried with the haptic

Thing it was that was the use case. It was you can listen to music You would get the sub pack. It was, that was the use case. It was, you can listen to music and if you have the little thing, you would get the sub pack. It was the sub pack. Yeah. That's, I know people that swear by that. It was cool. It just was a gimmick. I was like, okay. You know who swears by the sub pack or at least did

during COVID? Who? Timbaland. He also does like AI artists instead of real artists. You ever heard a song that goes like. Timbaland? No. Yeah. Yeah.

Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. That was Timbaland. That's literally every Timbaland song and I love him. Sorry to cut you off. Could you continue? Bass, like bass, bass, not sub bass is good. I like that it's low distortion. I can hear some details in it.

The mids also, low distortion for headphones in this price range, which I think is pretty cool. That's like a big thing for me in headphones. The highs are dog water on these things. Don't expect to hear a single detail in like any of the music you listen to. They're not particularly even. They don't have good stereo imaging,

which is like not uncommon for wireless headphones. What else? I guess those are some bad things that I accidentally put in the good things list. Yeah, no, but they were comfortable. They're unbelievably comfortable. I love how deep the cups are. I love the material the foam is made out of.

I love watching it return to form slowly like a Tempur-Pedic pillow. I had to ask if the ear cups were replaceable because as hard as I tried, it didn't feel like I could take them off. The response that I got was technically they are removable, however, it is very difficult and we're not selling replacement cups yet.

So basically not removable. So in six months when these have all my summer sweat and destroyed them, I'm just gonna be wondering like gross. I really do hope that they start selling your cups or making it easier because I do want them to be replaceable. they start selling your cups or making it easier because I do want them to be replaceable. Yeah. I would say, as far as Ellis' sound man opinion

on these headphones, is that unless you are someone, that was a cloud lifter falling onto the ground, unless you are someone who has like one ultra specific thing that you want in a headphone, Like I want amazing high end clarity. I want as little distortion in the mids as possible. I want noise canceling that works exactly like this. I would say almost any over the year headphone you buy is gonna be about the same.

Like we're talking like a pretty small Delta and they're all trash. That's kinda how I feel, it's just like, all headphones are bad, you just gotta pick the one that is bad in a way that you enjoy. And if you really want amazing sounding headphones, they're called speakers. Well, they had one more feature that I don't understand,

that they talked about a lot and I still don't understand, and it's called Channel Hop. Did they talk to you about this? They did not. Yeah, so they have this feature called Channel Hop and the idea is that you can set up a number of different audio apps on your phone and you can just use the paddle to just jump between the audio apps.

And they were like, yeah, so if you're listening to one thing on Spotify and then you wanna listen to another thing on Apple Music, you just flip the paddle and then suddenly you're listening on Apple Music. And I'm like, yeah, so if you're listening to one thing on Spotify and then you want to listen to another thing on Apple Music, you just flip the paddle and then suddenly you're listening on Apple Music and I'm like, wait, wait. Why would I do that? iOS already does that. Why would I want to?

Well, it's literally called, it's a feature that they have in it and they talked a lot about it. I would just open my phone at that point. That's kind of- I don't understand. Wait, does it, can I plug it? Wait. Yeah, David and I were really trying to figure this out earlier. If You can figure out why this is useful. That would be helpful to me

I don't know. I don't really get it. If anyone gets it. Let me know. Yeah, I'm crying for yeah We're getting Carl played right now. I would say what watch the full review I've had them for a week We go into way more detail with the other thing we can talk about is the head is the phone itself and nothing phone three. This one we don't have as much detail to talk about because it's gotten announced and we've gotten specs and we've gotten features. I got to play with it a bunch.

You got to play with it. When I have footage. So we have some thoughts but obviously the review is not out yet. It is coming soon. Yeah. I will again go around the table. Is this thing ugly?

No. David says no. I think it looks great. I say yes. Adam says yes. I haven't seen it yet. Is this thing ugly? No. David says no. I think it looks great. I say yes. Adam says yes. I haven't seen it yet. Ellis hasn't seen it yet.

Perfect. I'm gonna pull it up. Time breaker. I think yes, it is ugly. It's so good looking. Nothing phone three. I think all of their phones. I'm gonna turn my monitor to Ellis right now and get a live reaction.

Is this to you an ugly phone? What? What? It looks great. Dude, that looks like first generation Dolly render. It looks like it's teenage engineering. It looks like nonsense. So I'm gonna go with ugly.

Yeah, I think this is a polarizing phone where one third of people will go, oh, this is kind of neat. And two thirds of people will go, ah, it is kind of neat. And two thirds of people go, ah, it's kind of wonky. There is a screen on the back, a 25 by 25 pixel Glyph matrix. They've gotten rid of the normal lights

they had on the back of the phone before. This is a $799 quote flagship phone, but without a flagship chip. It's a Snapdragon 8S Gen 4. It is a plastic bag, triple 50 megapixel cameras, actually I don't know if it's a plastic bag, I think it's Gorilla Glass back, but triple 50 megapixel cameras on the back

and a 50 megapixel selfie camera, silicon carbon battery, 5100 milliamp hour battery, fast charging, just a bunch of things going on with this phone, but the aesthetics are the thing that is hard to get over at the beginning. Yeah. Yeah. I think it looks great I feel like all of nothing's phones are Beautiful. I think this phone in particular is like not the prettiest one because I mean of the asymmetry of the cameras

Now that is throwing me off now that I've looked at it for a little bit. This is the best-looking phone for a little bit, this is the best looking phone of this. More disagree. It's bold. The 3A is the best looking phone. Did you slip you 50 dollars under the table to say that? The 3A. The 3A. Oh, the Nothing 3A, yeah, I mean,

that's a good looking phone. It was beautiful. Look, I'm into stuff that doesn't look good. You think the Nothing 3A? It looks good because it looks, it's weird. Is that the gray one? Do you think the Nothing 3A is the pretty one? Yeah, that phone is beautiful.

That phone looks great. Okay, here's what is. I can't reach the wrong button from here. Here's what is unique and I think is why the cameras look the way they do. The Periscope camera, these phones that all have Periscope cameras have large camera bumps because they have large sensors and large optics arrays

that cause this Z axis depth off of the back of the phone. This phone doesn't really have a huge camera bump. It does have like camera rings, kind of like a Samsung phone. But with this big periscope camera, they actually punched that through the PCB so that instead of the whole thing being on one side and stacked on top of the PCB, they've like punched the element through the PCB.

So there is no camera bump, but there are small camera rings instead. That is the thing that they are proud of. The downside is it's just not aligned in any axis with any of the other cameras. So it's kind of a weird blob. Counterpoint, it has like a counterweight on the side of it.

It's a little plastic thing. But it's the same color as theweight on the side of it. It's a little plastic. But it's the same color as the rest of the phone. Yeah. Yeah, if they had made the counterweight thing a different color, I think it would have looked more even. Because technically, those are, like, the pieces in the top are subdivided into like three boxes, and technically, that camera does fit inside the box

with the counterweight part, and it does fit kinda evenly there. Yeah. with the counterweight part. And it does fit kind of evenly there. Yeah. The counterweight had been slightly different color. I think it would have looked more even. Fair. Yeah. But it doesn't.

Well, I still think it looks great. Okay, so. All this and it was just the aesthetics. Yeah. Yeah, so they got rid of the famous glyphs that Nothing Has Always Had, but they added. Kind of. Well, they added a thing called the glyph matrix.

Yeah, it just got moved into there. Yeah, what a new screen on the back Yeah, it would have been nice that they had both because the glyph was like a I mean that was the key part of the nothing phone And I also Wish that they had just updated the glyphs to be able to do like multiple colors or whatever just like the Nexus 6 when I Jail broke it Yeah But now this glyph matrix has a number of things that they call Glyph toys.

Genius. Which is a weird way. I love it. It's a weird name, I don't like that. It's so good. I don't. They don't have to name everything, guys. Yes, you do.

If Apple could do it, by God, nothing can do it. Yeah. Yeah. But basically it's this little tiny, it's this tiny diode grid, and you can do a number of different things on it. They have a number of different apps built in so far. They have a bubble level which can be kind of helpful I guess they have a digital clock. So in like a count like a stopwatch clock. That's pretty good looking and a regular That's cool and a regular clock to show you the time

They have a battery indicator that shows you like the battery percentage as well as a drain level thing. They have the Mirror app, which basically gives you a little subdivided grid of what- Yeah, do we think that's gonna work? I've used it at the event. And it worked? Because I just used the computer version of it, and I'm in a very well-lit room right now.

Oh, does it look great? No, but you can tell where you are. That is pretty much- No, you actually can tell where you are. That is pretty much... You know, I know you actually can't from the websites. That is basically... So it's not technically... Okay, so it's basically a viewport for the main camera because you can... There's a... It's not capacitive. It's a button on the back of the phone. There's a pressure sensitive button.

A pressure sensitive button that you use to interact with the toys I hate that sentence. I really I'm an adult That's why you need fun in your life. That's why they're called toys. You can play spin the bottle and rock. Yeah, okay So there's also spin the bottle and I just have to this is really funny because I don't think Karl Payne knows what spin The bottles for did he death? I think 100% during the keep he knows but he knows but it the bottle is for. Did he definitely, what? I think he 100% knows. He knows, but he knows, but it was at the event, they were like, they had a little video and they showed these four friends eating dinner

and they're like, it's time to pay the bill. Well, no, they were like, let's play spin the bottle. And then it was like, they were panicking, oh no, who's it gonna land on? It was like, is this about to get weird? And then they were like, oh, guess you have to pay the bill. And I was like, ah, okay. I get it.

And then he kind of laughed. Listen, it took someone like five minutes to code this just so they could do that in the keynote. And I think totally worth it. No, it took someone five minutes to code this just so nothing phone users could call everyone else kissless virgins. They have a solar clock, which is pretty cool.

It shows like a horizon and it shows where the sun is in the sky, which is pretty cool. I like that. They have rock paper scissors so you can play against your phone. I famously have won multiple times against my against the phone at the at the demo unit station, which is cool. I also played my phone, the phone I was using at the demonstration versus the phone that a friend of mine was using at the Demo station and I won multiple times which is also cool. Did you tweet that six years ago?

No, but they also have a magic 8-ball and the magic 8-ball one is awesome It shows up and then you shake the phone like a magic 8-ball and then it does the like the bubbly thing and then It shows you the answer like better like next time or whatever, but it has a It shows you the answer like better luck next time or whatever, but it has a Uses the gyroscope and the vibration motor and so as you like rotate the phone They're like the thing that thank you or like better luck next time moves around you can feel it So this is just like does the nothing dynamic island? Even worse. This is worse. Let's know this is way less useful Yeah, but yeah only because they're the ones that made the 20 or so apps that are on it.

But like, well. Yeah, that's my question. They have an APK, yes. Yeah, exactly. They have an open APK. Or API. API, yeah. Yeah, sorry, API.

Yeah. So, because now, at this point, with the phone just coming out, this is, for me, firmly in gimmick territory. Oh yeah. But what if like, Flighty came to Android, got, crazy idea, I know. But, and then on the back of your phone, you could see like, oh, Flighty came to Android? Got it. Crazy idea, I know. But, and then on the back of your phone,

you could see like, oh, Flight is departing in 40 minutes. Well here's the problem I have with it is that, you know like, app developers need to put this in. It's hard when these companies, like, it's really difficult when these companies introduce some new gimmick, and they're like, there's an open API, but then literally the next generation,

they just get rid of it. That's true. So the glyphs, I don't know how many people are gonna develop for it, because again, who knows if they're gonna keep it. That's true. So the glyphs, I don't know how many people are gonna develop for it, because again, who knows if they're gonna keep it. That's kind of the awkward thing. You need a company to really be like, this is our new direction, we're doing this

for at least four generations, you can develop for it. Because Razer has famously done this too, where they come out with a laptop with some new crazy feature, and they're like, open API developers, come on. And then the next year they just get rid of it. What's the matter developers, don't you love developing? Yeah, come on.

Don't you love spending tons of resources for a small audience? A lot of tech enthusiasts, even like myself and reviewers, we want constant improvement and we want things to get better. So when I see something like a hole punch cut out for a selfie camera and face ID, and then Apple makes dynamic island around it, I go, oh, okay, this is a nice way of making up

for like this technology that's not ready to go fully under the screen yet. But I expect that dynamic island and that hole punch to get smaller every year until it's gone. And Apple, even though you could argue it's stagnant or whatever, to their credit, developers will develop something for dynamic island and there will be years of phones with the same dynamic island.

So they can at least count on it working well with all these phones. They're also reaching billions of people, whereas nothing with a single version of the nothing phone Yeah, you just don't know like you said it You don't know if it's gonna last a long time. So anyway, I mean, it's cool. It's gimmicky It's fun if you're gonna develop like a fun little app for it, then I think that's dope Yeah, but yeah besides that there's a just like on pre a previous nothing phone There's that small little red square red light this time. It's actually a light. It's a record light

I think that you said that I think we might have said that in the last Video of the phone that had that that it would be cool if it was functional. Oh, I don't know. Maybe we didn't I'll take credit. I'll take credit. I love it. Yeah. Yeah, I'm a rock. Is this true? rock context Never gets old. Yeah, but now when you're recording with the phone, that little square will blink, which is cool. I like that. It's not that bright, so outside,

I don't know if you're gonna be able to see it, but inside you can, which is nice. They have this new thing called Essential Search, and basically it's like, it's a system-wide search similar to the persistent Google search bar, but it's also an LLM using Gemini Nano. Are you losing me, David? Not Gemini Nano, using Gemini. Well now, okay, so now instead of,

when you're searching your phone, you can search for an app, you can search for a calendar event or whatever, which is cool, but you can also just say like, what are the name of Saturn's moons? And it just shows it to you using Gemini Nano. Will it make one up? Probably. Yeah, so it'll just be wrong. But, all right, maybe it's not Gemini Nano, it's just regular Gemini Nano. Will it make one up? Probably. Yeah, so it'll just be wrong.

All right, maybe it's not Gemini Nano, it's just regular Gemini because it requires an internet connection. But it, yeah, I don't know, I think it's interesting to not have to have the Gemini app open and you can just like, you can now use this search bar

for anything that you wanna search, but it's cool because they were saying basically that when you use regular Gemini and ask it a question, it tells you way too much information, you know? Whereas this one, it'll just be like, it'll just give you the answers, but very succinctly. It'd be like, oh, the moons around Jupiter are these things. And then that's kind of it.

And it's just, I think it's just a nice little thing to be able to, if you're with your friends, looking up a simple question and it just tells you. No, let me lie to my friends in peace. Yeah, and we also have to talk about the price. We didn't talk about the price. 799. 799. So 799, which has been quite contentious

for people on the internet because nothing is used to making the $350, $400 phone. Yeah, remind you of anything? I wonder where Carl pays to work. Yeah, yeah weird Yeah, so They're calling it their first flagship. That's the same price as the pixel 9. That's the same price as the s25 It's basically the same as the same price as iPhone 16. So it's basically now they are competing directly Yeah, it's like all of these major manufacturers They obviously have way more fun features and we're like the the UI is really good and you could actually get kissed with this phone

Or win rock-paper-scissors, oh, yeah So yeah, I think that's gonna be a big question mark But yeah, and so the base price gets you 256 gigs of storage and 12 gigs of RAM, and then the 512 model, which is, I think, $100 more, gives you 512 gigabytes of storage and 16 gigs of RAM. So it does give you more RAM. It is interesting that they're playing the flagship space,

but they technically don't have a flagship chip. It's the Snapdragon 8S Gen 4 instead of the Snapdragon 8 Elite, which is in some of the phones you just talked about at that price, the Galaxy S25. How many people buying these phones care about the chipset versus just deserve the better chipset at that price? Like I think a lot of people buy a car

and don't really know about the engine in it, but once you spend over a certain amount, you deserve to get better parts and better build, whether you notice it or are an enthusiast or not. And I think if you're buying a $799 phone, you probably should get a flagship chipset, but if you don't notice, then maybe it doesn't matter. I think you're trading off that

for a more interesting design and more interesting UI. Like I would personally buy this over a regular S25 like any day of the week, because I think the S25 is the most boring phone in history. Probably also trading cameras. I haven't tested any of the cameras yet. That's a pure assumption. I'm assuming the Samsung cameras are better,

but I don't know. You're also trading, well, yeah, I guess there's the AI button in the essential space on the nothing phone. Yeah, it's just a more interesting phone. It's more interesting. You're trading design and some interesting features for. But then you get the ugliest phone mankind has ever seen. No, the opposite.

The opposite. The phone of the year. Well, you know, there's a bunch of other things about this phone I haven't seen in person yet, and I'm looking forward to testing for the review. It appears to be a big, bright, nice, evenly-bezeled AMOLED display, high refresh rate. 4,500 nits.

Crazy number, like I want to see it outside. It appears to be a 5,100 plus milliamp hour silicon carbon battery with fast charging. That's some flagship level stuff. I want to see how long that lasts. It is of course nothing OS 3.5 on top of Android 15 and then it's going to get updated to I think 4.0 on Android 16.

I have a lot to test. I want to check out this phone. So expect the full review coming imminently. It is for sure gonna happen. But yeah, those are some first thoughts on nothing phone three and nothing headphone one. It's gorge. I think so.

Gorge as in gorge my eyes out. As in gorgetown university. It is above the S25, but below the Pixel 9. It's striking and beautiful. I do think the Pixel 9 is striking, yes. It's, look, it's the Ionic 5N of phones. Oh, that's a take. That's maybe Ionic 6.

Ah. The Porsche looking one. But no, but the Ionic 6 doesn't have the Vauxles in the same way. It was a Porsche back. Yeah, it kind of does on the back. No, I'm sticking with five. Yeah.

I'm sticking with five. I like it, I like it. Speaking of sticking with five. What? I'm about to get five more points in trivia. Nice. Oh. Damn.

Ba ba ba. I thought you were off the rails there, but you brought it back nicely. Okay, all right. This back nice and nice. Okay. All right. This is a fill in the blank. So finish the sentence. Google keep is available on Google play

for devices running blank and above. This is from the official announcement post way back in the day when it first came out. Oh, when it first came out. Wait, so this is not current? No, no, this is not current. Can you say the sentence again? Google keep is available on Google Play for devices running blank and above

It's an operating system. What are you cooking here? David say something again. I just did say it's read the whole thing again Google no the whole no the whole Fit like finish this sentence? Is that what you said? This is a fill in the blank question. Yeah, it's a fill in the blank question. Do you say finish this sentence?

You said that, right? Yes, yes, yes. Oh, that is. Google keep is available on Google Play devices that have empty and new displays. That's Finnish. I don't know what just happened. It's one of the worst dad jokes. I don't know what just happened.

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Eye exams provided by independent optometrists. Welcome back. Now we are going to do over hyped or under hyped. Again, to explain the rules. I have a list of things that I'm gonna run through. By the way, if you have a alliteration for the the title of this game, yes, please let us know. It would be good. Boomer bust? I feel like someone's used that before. Yeah, sort's sort of boomer core, you know hyper hyper night Anyway hyper night. Yeah, if you have a name let us know but I'm gonna go through this list and you guys all have To tell me if the thing that I named Claude gave me an answer that was so close to hyper night. I was like no way

You have to tell me if the thing I named is overhyped, underhyped, or perfectly hyped. You get one perfectly hyped to use on this list. There we go. All right. Only one? Only one. All right.

First thing, Tyrese Halliburton. Underhyped. How am I supposed to know? You know, we explained it to you last week. He's Waluigi. Is he the guy that broke his leg? Yeah. Yeah.

Towards the killer. Look, look, look, look. I'm gonna just make this decision for you guys. There is no way someone gets voted most underrated or overrated player in the NBA and then balls out all the way till June. Like that is it. Till game seven. By definition, underhyped.

Generationally clutch run. We're gonna be telling our grandkids about how many- But the fact that you guys are all saying this makes him perfectly hyped, right? No, no, no, no, no. I don't know. He literally won a poll of NBA players for being the most overrated player.

Like everyone was like, everyone thinks this guy is good, he's trash, and then he just showed them all. So I think he has to be given. I love you Tyrese. I'm with him. I'm with him. Take me to Vegas with you. What does that have to do with technology? It doesn't.

It's just so perfectly in this segment that I had to start it off. I'm just going to agree with you guys, because I don't know any better. All right, nice. So he's underhyped. Underhyped. All right.

Tyree. Is that the thing? Oh, what? Kyrie? No, that's Kyrie. No, that's Kyrie. Oh, that's Kyrie. Sorry. Okay, I have a...

Kyrie! I have a... What a reference, though. That's how often we do that in the studio. RDC World 1, come on the pod. Nintendo Switch 2, overhyped or underhyped or perfectly hyped? Unbelievably hot take. Oh, no.

I kind of think it's overhyped. No, I agree. Actually, my review is gonna come out. My review will be out by the time this podcast is out. Guess who hyped it? And I kind of, no, I kind of agree. The, what is the beginning of an essay called? The thesis.

The thesis of my review is the Switch 2 and my review of it don't matter. It's just the games. You're just here to play games. What game do you wanna play? Get the console that plays that game. Can the console play the game? Great, can the console not play the game?

Don't get it, get the one that plays the game you care about. I wanna play Mario, all right, get a Switch. So I'm coming at it from a person who had a Switch OLED and I feel like coming from a Switch OLED it feels really overhyped, because I feel like the screen is like, not even as good. The bezels are way bigger.

I am such a higher refresh rate, Diva loser. I am so torn on the screen, like OLED looks better, obviously, but 120 hertz also to my eye for the few games and the few times that I can see it also looks great. I've just never been like, oh, I want Mario to be 120 hertz.

That's fair. Like it does look amazing on Mario Kart. Most of the games are 60 anyway. Yeah. The new Mario Kart looks like it's an Unreal Engine game. And I think that looks great. I think it's cool. I think it's kind of so cool weird

No, it's just it's a little bit like Weird to see a Nintendo game and such like high fidelity and like with high refresh rate and all this stuff I mean, it's it's fantastic. So I mean, I don't know I think There's all been all these articles coming out from very reputable people who do very thorough reputable tests So they are smarter than me in this category. And they're saying like, oh, all of the Switch 2 graphics updates are basically remasters and the games look so much better and blah, blah, blah.

And I downloaded the graphics update for Breath of the Wild and started playing it. And I'm like, yeah. Yeah, I didn't notice it. I didn't, you know? It's like, oh, the draw distance of the, and I'm like, okay. Look, this has never been a thing.

That's every console, though. Like, the PS5 came out and they were like, look at this ray tracing, and I would need, I would need a side-by-side to notice. But Nintendo is the last possible company that this should matter to people about, you know what I mean? It's overrated.

Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a little overrated. Big know what I mean? And so. Yeah. I think it's a little overrated. Bigger screen, better chip, play more games. I think for a lot of people, the Switch 2 is like the better console, because it has a lot of better features and it has, you know, it's a bigger screen, so you can play it with your kid and you can all see it easier and it's like good, you know, it's good.

It's a very. Can I play Switch 1 games? Yeah. Yeah. All right, great. So what was yours Ellis? Uh Dude I think I played any switch one or two like maybe one time. No, I literally wouldn't but you've seen the hype Yeah, I've seen the hype To me and it's been all me the Nintendo is just like a vehicle for this like

This very indescribable feeling that's a bit It's like now it's likeable feeling that's somewhere between. It's like now it's like this feeling that's like somewhere between like holding a newborn puppy and like building a house made of twigs and gingerbread at the same time. I don't know. And like, I think that was because the only Nintendo,

like I had a Game Boy or whatever, but like the Wii was like a huge part of my childhood. And that thing was just like dripping in sauce. Like every sound it made, every visual cue. You can hear it without even us playing it. You can hear it. You wanted to leave it open on your TV all day. Yeah, just have the sounds playing.

To me, when I picked up a Switch One for the first time and the background was gray and there was no music, and I was just like, what? I don't need this. Clicking noises are great. Come on, man. You know that's not what I'm talking about here. They were better on the Switch One.

So yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and say overhyped, but I also, I don't really game like that. I'm not the person to. I'm agreeing. I saw the hype go so far as one of the podcasts I listened to literally named one of their episodes, Nintendo Switch 2, Nintendo Switch 2, Nintendo Switch 2.

What losers. Insane, like the hype was crazy. They probably have no talent. Yeah, it's not one of those basic. I don't want to use my appropriately hyped yet because I feel like I might need it later, but I do want to say like, I don't think anything that anyone that, sorry, I don't think anything that everyone likes is overhyped.

You know, if everyone likes, everyone's happy, great. Everyone's stoked. Why do we have to come in and rain on everyone's clothes? Yeah, fair take. Yeah, which is like basically describes the Nintendo Switch 2. But also if you use an Android phone, you're a loser. Yeah. No, that basically describes the Nintendo Switch 2, right? Because all the Nintendo Switch 2 games are like, you know, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, which is like basically But also if you use an Android phone, you're a loser

Yeah, no that basically describes an Nintendo switch to right cuz I be called there's so much stuff online That's so negative about like oh it says it's 120, but it's technically this and it's like are people happy But this is again. It's like the whole Nintendo ethos. It's just like it's about the games. It's about the joy It's about the like I don't know man. I can really tell the frames per second when I'm playing Animal Crossing it's very obvious yeah debt simulator 2025 so yeah so I don't know yeah I'm gonna say overhyped and uh we contributed to that I still I'm not upset that I bought it you were in Nintendo Switch 2 for like three weeks running yeah yeah but you never said it was good that's true that's true I don't think it's bad I'm not upset that I bought it. You were a Nintendo Switch 2 for like three weeks running. Yeah. But you never said it was good.

That's true. That's true in fact. I don't think it's bad. This is the other thing. I just like, I think that the screen's a little bit of a downgrade, the bezels are a little big, but that's like my only complaint. And I don't think it's bad.

And they had to make something else. And they weren't gonna, you know, Nintendo found a winning formula and they made it better. And that's about it. Yeah yeah yeah wait before you read the next one yeah I don't think you're gonna be able to cut out what I said earlier definitely not going to so I didn't mean it it was a joke speaking of Android I love my Android friends the next one co-workers I really did not mean that one guys and again my overhyped only means that the level of hype that was absolutely insane

That was driven by us I'm just gonna throw us under the bus as many times as possible do it we deserve it I think this was perfectly hyped then this is what I would have used my That's fair because everyone that bought it is happy with exactly and I guess that's true There was enough stock everyone who wanted one basically got one Yeah, there weren't lines out the door and still they sold like three or four million in the first week or something like that Like it was something crazy So I think the only thing is that I really miss Nintendo releasing a new console and there's a completely new input paradigm

Like the DS having the second screen that was touched the world the mouse controls. What are you talking? Yeah magnets? the magnets Anyway, next up Android tablets that was touched the way we have the motion controls. What are you talking about? The magnets. The magnets. Anyway, next up, Android tablets. Overhyped, underhyped, or perfectly hyped? Sh**. Android tablets have little to no hype most of the time from most people. Which is appropriate.

And I think that they don't deserve any more than they have So I'm going with exactly correctly. I'm going exactly correctly have to I'll bite Yeah, okay all on one. I'm rid of those quick under hyped. Okay, perfect. You're going under I go and under hyped Because as the world's biggest hater of Android and Android devices You wanted to wipe that out of the podcast two minutes ago. Yeah, well, I was rude. I hate Android devices,

not the blessed souls who are forced to use them. I can't wait till you fall in love with Android in like six years. I'm gonna play all these back for you. Please do, man. And then, nope. And then we'll tweet it. Here's the deal, here's the deal, here's the deal, here's the deal, here. Please do, man. And then, nope. And then we'll tweet it. Here's the deal, here's the deal.

Here's the deal with Android Trivles. The thing that is really cool about Android is that every app ever that could possibly be conceived has already been written and deployed on the Google Play Store. So as like a daily driver, this is my cell phone operating system not a fan as

I have a very specific use case that involves a Wireless network and some function I need to perform and it needs to fit in a small box and I know it needs to be reliable Android works really well Which is why I have a big stack of Android phones in my apartment for when I need to Run a small media server that does not need a lot my apartment for when I need to run a small media server that does not need a lot of bandwidth for when I need to set up an NDI camera rig at a gig for when I, you know, for all sorts of like various

computer-y things. They're super useful for that. And so, as I've been seeing you with your Galaxy A10 Ultra tab. S10 Ultra. S10 Ultra. Thank you. As I've been seeing you with your tab,

get around your life and using it, every time I see you, I think that's pretty sweet. And it looks like it works really well, except for the fact that we couldn't figure out how to mute it last episode. That was pretty weird. I literally had to put on Do Not This Day. Yeah, but other than that,

so this is all to say that if you happen to get an Android tab in your life and you can think of some random thing that you don't wanna sacrifice a computer for, probably is pretty sweet. Asterisk, the Android tab I have floating around my life is a Huawei Maypad Pro, which is so locked down. Yeah, it's hard. It might as well be in a maximum security prison.

So not for me, but for you, maybe. I'm just kind of a tablet hater in general. Perfect, because this next one is iPads. Overhyped. Overhyped? Exactly hyped, I'm using it. I think it's overhyped. Exactly hyped. I do not understand. I think it's overhyped. Exactly hyped.

I just do not understand. I'm like, it's a... I think if you asked me this before, iPadOS 26, I would have had a different answer, but I think now. The beta's convinced me. It's just a laptop now. The beta has convinced me. Is it overhyped still?

It's possible it may still be overhyped. I don't know. I think I have to stick with overhyped, but I'm gonna give iPadOS 26 a chance for it to be perfectly hyped. The only thing 99% of people do with their tablets is watch Netflix. Oh yeah, for 99% of people overhyped.

For 1% of people, maybe perfectly hyped, maybe underhyped, to be determined. No, for sure. I mean, there's digital artists that use them, and it's really great for them. It's probably underhyped. Yeah. To be determined. No, for sure. I mean, there's digital artists that use them and it's really great for them. Yeah. It's probably underhyped in their eyes. But for the 99 percent that Netflix could be had anywhere else.

Yeah. Don't buy the pro. Don't buy the pro for the Netflix. Guys, I did the most embarrassing thing happen to me. I'm like trying to see if I could even find the picture. But iPad related. I was like on a FaceTime call someone, which is something I really like the iPad for, because its webcam is better than the one in my $6,000 MacBook somehow.

Noticeably better. Like when I call people on my laptop, they're like, ew. Anyway, they were like, what are you wearing to this thing tonight? And I was like, let me just show you. And I walk into a mirror and flip the camera around and everyone just broke out laughing at me holding my iPad up to the mirror.

I totally forgot I was on the iPad. I have the screenshot. What do you think, guys? Yeah, that was literally it, that was exactly it. And I have the screenshot somewhere that they sent me. I'm gonna have to find it anyway. That's so good. Okay, that's priceless.

How we feeling? We want one or two more? I have one more thing I could say about iPads. Which is I lost my Apple Pencil on whatever our last work shoot, travel shoot was. Very easy to do. I literally feel like a part of me died. I didn't sound like I was using the Apple Pencil every day.

But like every time I open my iPad and it's not sitting on top, I'm just like. There goes $100. I could have been sketching your handwriting. Yeah, well I'm a diehard Scribbler. I think Scribble is like one of the coolest things Apple's ever released. It's not the coolest, the coolest is standby mode

on the iPhone, maintain that. Standby me. But anyway. What about the Math Notes? That's up there, but Math Notes is only empowered by scribble. Cool. God damn.

Wow. All right, next up. Get wrecked. Last one, do we wanna make this the last one? One to two more, yeah. Smartwatches. The silence. In the interest of being quick.

Exactly. That's why I'm doing this one. I saw a selfie I took a little bit ago where you could see my Apple Watch Ultra and I have not worn it since. So I'm having a little bit of a moment with smartwatches at the moment. I was just like, God, my whole wrist.

I'm gonna go over-hyped because- Edge to edge. I'm gonna go over-hyped because I think that they may be extinct in under a decade. Whoa, hot take. There's a chance that the face wearables completely eliminate the face. Do you want to run Marm wear glasses? I would run with smart glasses. But that's not a smart watch. If you just want to ban to wear on your wrist to like part fitness track, then do that.

It feels more like to me, like smart watches used to be like, wow, I can use, I can do my computer on my wrist now, but now it's more like they're just fitness devices. Like pretty much all smart watches are- Exactly. So I would rather have smart glasses and a Fitbit than a huge screen on my wrist, you know?

And a real watch? I don't know, that's a, you know, some people might do a real watch. Oh wait. So you would never watch it all probably not really Yeah, but we need another time. Yeah, I'll just check my phone. Yeah, good question Damn, and then you look like I'll just check it on my glasses. Oh I'll just do the nod that the Google Glass thing made 340

Wait, this is crazy. So I saw I was at the nothing event and someone was they have one of those neck mounts with a MagSafe thing. So they were recording a POV with their phone on the neck mount and then they had the even reality glasses that have like two screens in it. Yeah. They were like, they're doing this and the whole time. I'm not joking. The whole time they're like, you're doing this. And the whole time, I'm not joking.

The whole time they're like doing this with their hands and they're just like reading their script while staring blankly ahead. And I was like, wow. Next level, man. Really locked in. He's locked in the future. That dude was creating.

Dude, he was contenting. He was content creating. Contenting. I think your phone can do pretty much everything. It's always kind of weird when it's like, oh, my phone has dual band GPS for Strava, but my watch doesn't. I do prefer to like not have to run with a phone.

And it's cool that it can do the fitness stuff without it. It's just that for what smartwatches were originally invented for, which was to like get notifications on your watch, I don't want that at all. So. So it's turned off. Yeah, but then why even wear a smartwatch?

For fitness. Exactly. Yeah, but regular watches are cooler. Overhyped. This is true. You're agreeing with me. Pfft. I mean, Ellis has found the picture of him holding his size like this. I'm half the size of your torso.

It's so funny. You look like a ghost. My internet went full potato at the same moment too. So it's like a blurry photo. What are you wearing? Kill me in my sleep. This is going in the show notes for audio listeners. Okay, David, overhyped or underhyped?

Overhyped. Ellis. Dude, I mean, overhyped, I don't know. I'm having a moment, but they're nice. Okay, that's fair. Last one. Yeah, last one. Specifically for Marquez.

Specifically for Marquez. But I wanna hear you guys first. Actually, you guys go first and Marquez will answer last. Okay, yeah, so he can judge us. Tyree Johnson, whatever. Continue, go for it. Please, please carry, carry. Hybrid cars. Ooh., hybrid cars. Ooh.

Hybrids? Ooh. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm.

Good or bad would be an easy thing for me to answer. I don't know how other people feel about hybrid cars. Like, actually, like, plug-in hybrids, or specifically plug-in hybrids? Whatever you want. Whatever you want. Whatever you want. However you interpreted that. I have mine too. Go for it.

I think plug-in hybrids are underhyped. Okay. Because if you can get like 50 miles and most people don't drive that far in a day from the suburbs or wherever they are, and they can just plug in, that's like amazing. And then when you need the extra gas, you have it. I still would like the world to transition completely

to full EV. So obviously, you know, I don't necessarily want hybrid to be the main thing. It does seem like more of a realistic thing that's gonna sell to more customers because it's cheaper as well. So there's that. So I think it is underhyped.

OK, Ellis. Yesterday, I hung out with a hybrid. And its name was Panamera 4SE hybrid. 4S space E hyphen hybrid. Totally good name. H1000X. Yeah. And what was so cool about it to me is that

on the electric motor exclusively, it had 40 miles of range, like David said. So I don't believe it's a plug-in hybrid. I can't quite remember, but you can do your commute on the battery and then do everything else you need to do on the gas motor. And yeah, when I think about, there's realistically almost all, actually. I can't believe you said gas motor. Oh my God, I think about, there's realistically almost all actually-

I can't believe you said gas motor. I'm gonna take, I'm gonna- Oh my God, I'm gonna yell at you so hard. As opposed to just the engine. The engine. They call them engines. Oh, it's like, it's like calling it a, yeah, it's a gas, well it's like, it's like-

I was being a jerk because someone yelled at me once years ago for calling it an engine in an electric car. You're like, what are you talking about? I am technically replacing Andrew this week who does call it ball golf. So, you know, maybe anyway, maybe. Because of frisbee golf. Disc golf.

Okay. All right. Well, thanks for listening to this episode of the pedantic podcast. I like hybrids. I like the idea that people who have bad complaints about EVs get shown that, oh, you can still have a really high mileage car

that goes really, really fast. So you're also saying underhyped? I mean, I guess, but I don't think there's anyone out here being like, hybrids suck. You know, like I don't, I don't know. I mean, the counterpoint of that is that we want the world

to transition to fully electric eventually. Well, yeah, but there are, it's more than just the cars. Okay, I'm glad, so to summarize both of you. Oh yeah, you're here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I have, I think it's a great way to end it. I have a summary of both of your points.

I am in the underhyped category as well for hybrids. Okay. And I've been able, I've thought about this a lot recently and you know, gas cars have come a long way. We've had gas cars for many, many years. And there are true fans of gas cars. So Ellis, you say, why would anyone say hybrids suck?

Ask sports car fans. They are saying that, exactly. Really? Yeah, the 911's a hybrid and everyone's, oh, hybrid, hybrids suck. Don't they know that Formula One cars are hybrids? They do, but that's why I'm saying underrated, because I think that it's clear that the electric motor,

specifically the motor, is a superior form of propulsion. Period, it's more efficient, more torque, more responsive, better traction control, everything about the electric motor is better. Which I have separated out from the electric car because battery technology is still, has a long way to go. So when you say electric car today,

that implies electric motors, which are great, and a massive battery which adds 1200 pounds to your car, which is not great. So, in this world where we want to get to all cars eventually having this superior electric motor, you know, some of them can be full battery electric, some of them can be hybrid, some of them can do even what Porsche's done with the 911 Carrera 4 GTS,

which I just reviewed, which is they just put electric motors in little parts of the car where it improves the overall gas engine experience. So in that car, the electric motor doesn't drive the wheels ever. The electric motor sits in the turbo to keep it constantly spooled up so that the gas engine is more responsive.

And they have one in the gearbox as well. So, yeah, in general, I think people, when they think of hybrids, they think of, oh, Prius, you know, very tame, you know, I get better gas mileage, the engine turns off when I stop and I can get 20 miles of electric. And that's all true and that's great. But I think in terms of moving society from gas cars

to electric cars, the electric motor through hybrids is moving us, is ushering us to that era. So I am saying, yes, exactly. Battery technology will have to improve until we get to the all-electric world of the future. Cool, counterpoint. I think the way we get sports car heads hooked

on electric motors, hear me out. Race cars drive on tracks. The cool part about a track is that we know where the race car's gonna go before it goes there. There's some leeway, it's wide, but for the most part, we know in the future all the possible places that race car could go. If it's NASCAR, it's to the left.

Therefore, hear me out, take the battery out of the car. No battery, just motor. Put a bumper car style overhang, electrified overhang, with a brush over the entire track all the sudden you have the same super powerful car well, you're taking three thousand pounds off the weight and Full voltage the entire time that thing would just be a non-stop kick in the pants. That would be pretty incredible. I don't know Logistically if all of the car is doing that and getting them tangled as they overlap each other.

No, no, no, no. So you're picturing like a street car with like the single like wire, single wire, and then the hoop thing. I am. I'm talking about a bumper car like a roof where you have an awning. Because bumper cars don't even have the luxury of a racetrack. The bumper cars can move 360 degrees wherever they want and they still have to be electrified.

Gotcha. So that's what, you see? So you would have the aerodynamic struggle of having a literal mast coming out of every, and I'm also not quite sure how you would do with elevation changes in the racetrack, but that's for engineers to figure out. A telescoping mast?

So yeah, hybrids, in fact because of this great idea, hybrids overhyped, putting a ceiling over every road in America underhyped. Think about it. Yeah, and don't say anything about inductive charging roads. Solar frickin' roadways. All right, on that note, I think the heat is finally getting to us. It's so hot in here. I don't care. Freaking roadways. All right, on that note, I think the heat is finally getting to us.

It's so hot in here. The heat is on. The heat is on. You know what else is on? Trivia time. Let's do it. Woo! Trivia, dude.

Do do do do do do. Quick update on the score. Marquez. Yeah. 27. Yeah. From under the table while he grabs his marker that he just hit the mic with David 30 lady

Andrew slash Ellis eight 17 do my points go to Andrew this week? Yes, they do Except for the one that you did. I'll come up with a different one for you. You answer that one. Okay. Wait, I know the answer Right Andrew news the points All right, all right. all right question number one guys Which of the following chart topping musical acts have had their logo on an f1 car during a Grand Prix race? hit it Adam a smash mouth

B BTS C ABBA or D You too. Just kidding. Coldplay B, BTS, C, ABBA, or D, U2. Just kidding, Coldplay. What's the difference? Are we gonna leave that, no, yeah. That isn't the episode? I think so.

I think it was during the first break. Yeah. I think we had a, so none of you know this, we had a full 10, 15 minute argument. Before we started recording. Before we started recording about if U2 and Coldplay were similar bands. I am on team no, and if you agree with me,

tell me in the comments. You literally discovered through the process that they are the same band. They are not the same band. Flip them and read, what do we got? All right. I think it has, I put B, I think it has to be BTS. They are so corporate, they have so many Samsung

and LG collaborations, it has to be BTS. David, what'd you say? House but B. Yeah, so that's awesome. It's Coldplay, isn't it? Because that one of our coworkers suggested that as an answer to this question. And I was like, I think that'd be really sweet.

And then they were like, no, no, no, actually we shouldn't use that. I think it's gonna be way too obvious. And like, no one will guess that. And I was like, I don't know. BTS? The correct answer is. Coldplay. D. I think it's gonna be way too obvious and no one will guess that. And I was like, I don't know. The correct answer is C. Which is what, Ben?

ABBA. During the 1981 San Marino Grand Prix, Carl Edvard Tommy Slim Borgud was like, if I just put the most famous thing Sweden has ever produced on my car, maybe someone will try to get a sponsorship next time. Anyway, yeah, answer was ABBA, San Marino Grand Prix, 1981. If Andrew was here, he probably would have known that. That's true.

Yeah. All right, next question. But now I get to answer this question. Yeah. Finish the sentence, fill in the blank, however you want to look at it. Google Keep is available on Google Play for devices

running blank and above. So what version of Android was Google keep announced with basically? Can we give number or dessert? Yeah, I'll take either one. Oh, see, that's it. It wasn't backwards compatible. This is the announcement post, so I don't think it was backwards. What year? Can you tell us what your Google keep came out? Fine. 2013. 2013? 2013.

Shoot. I'm wrong. Oh no. Alright, flip them and read. What do we got? Android 4, which is not true. What did you put, Marques? I put Android 4.2.

4.2? Alice? Oh, right, sorry, I've never done this before. I put Android 6. Android 6. The answer was Android... Seven. Four, so they could get the point.

Let's go! That's crazy, I wrote four, and then when you said 2013, I added.2. Ah. And now gets the point. Let's go. That's crazy, I wrote four, and then when you said 2013, I added point two. Ah. And now I'm wrong. Alice screwed you up. Only the real keepers in the building know what's going on. Is that a honeycomb joke?

It's a David joke, I don't know. The beekeepers. The beekeepers. Enjoyed honeycomb. That was honeycomb? No. That was 4.0 ice cream sandwich. Ice cream sandwich. Enjoyed honeycomb. That was honeycomb? No. That was 4.0 ice cream sandwich. Ice cream sandwich.

Honeycomb was dang five. Well, I think. All right, Marques, take us out. No, it'd be three dot. No, honeycomb was. Each has to come before I. Or not. Thanks for joining us on this episode

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