Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - OnePlus 8/8 Pro & Apple's New $400 iPhone SE 2!

Episode Date: April 17, 2020

After a quarantine catch-up, we finally got some big tech releases after a bit of a drought! We start with an in-depth look at the OnePlus 8 and OnePlus 8 Pro after test-driving them for the last two weeks, before moving on to discuss the big news from Cupertino: Apple's new $400 iPhone SE 2! Links: https://twitter.com/wvfrm https://twitter.com/mkbhd https://twitter.com/andymanganelli https://www.instagram.com/wvfrmpodcast/ Nebraska Meat Industry Article: https://bit.ly/2yltzH8 John Oliver COVID19 Part 4: https://bit.ly/34JFVVJ James Hoffman Coffee V60: https://bit.ly/3bhsjTY OnePlus 8 Pro Review: https://bit.ly/3afg74P OnePlus 8 Review: https://bit.ly/3ewPMTs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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dominated by a few announcements a few tech announcements despite everything that's going on they are still happening so we're going to talk in depth about those but for now just a little background again we are still in quarantine we we're going to talk in depth about those. But for now, just a little background again, we are still in quarantine. We're still recording in separate locations, a bit of a different setup this time. So again, it's going to sound a little different. But first of all, how are you doing? How are you holding up? And what's your setup like? I'm doing good. I'm pretty much using almost the exact same setup. Little things I noticed last time is I'm a moron and i used open back headphones

which like i don't think you can hear it so like you very even though we tried to test it beforehand you could very slightly hear you talking on like my track so i went through the whole thing and like any part where it was really bad i just cut your track off um yeah and i don't think anyone really noticed it so this time i'm just using some earbuds and i'm actually monitoring myself through the microphone i don't know why i didn't do that last time um nice which makes it feel more like because when we normally record we're wearing headphones and we're monitoring ourselves so we don't know if or we know if we're going like crazy high peaking or anything like that so this definitely feels more legit but other than that same thing

i hung a blanket over some to kind of close myself off a little more yeah yeah um you changed a bit though because i think we had the yeti gain up a little too high last time and it was crazy high i was peaking it was all over the place this time new setup i am in the podcast room actually in the new studio space which as i've mentioned before is like one of the first rooms that i think is fully shoot ready and we'll talk more about the space later but you know the table's in here i have the mic in here i have it's this isn't the uh the typical studio mic but this is the video mic actually the 633 shotgun got some some foam on the floor got some well some blankets 16 shotgun actually, the 633 shotgun. Got some foam on the floor, got some blankets. Well, 416 shotgun, right, in the 633 mixer?

Oh, sorry. I probably said the numbers wrong. Yes. And then, yeah, I'm just keeping a pretty low profile. There's still going to be a bunch of stuff added to this room, but I am officially in the podcast room, which is pretty sweet to be able to say. I can honestly say I'm extremely jealous that I don't get to break it in

with you, but But we'll break it in when it's fully fully. Yeah. Yeah, so We want I mean, I guess there's there's a whole bunch of behind the scenes But you want to talk about some of the stuff you've been doing that I guess stay sane since last time It was two weeks ago that we last recorded Yeah, I feel like I have way more to say about this because you've been moving a lot and I'm just, I'm here not doing much. Just to get it off the top, that's how I've been staying sane is I've been moving back

and forth furniture from the third floor to the first floor. I'm going to estimate I've made about 300 elevator trips in the last two weeks, which is pretty incredible. And just moving stuff back and forth but now officially we've shot i've shot the first video in the studio which means there's enough there yeah to actually use it but what have you been up to yeah um i mean a lot of the same stuff i listed off last time um i cook like every day i love cooking so like this has actually been a ton of fun in that sense but

you can only eat three meals a day before you feel terrible about yourself um so uh but I do have a kind of potential pro tip for some people uh my sister-in-law she's a reporter in Nebraska and she did a piece on meat packing plants and kind of how the virus is affecting all of that and so it goes pretty in depth but at the end they talk about how restaurants aren't purchasing high quality cuts of beef like filet mignon ribeye like prime ribs stuff like that so this is the time you could potentially be seeing it at your your grocery store at like a hugely discounted price even though stuff like uh like ground beef is really sought after right

now and possibly going higher in price i mean ribeye is like my favorite cut of meat so seems like a pretty perfect time to to try and perfect your steak cooking methods because you have plenty of time and potentially cheap meat so keep an eye out yeah potential pro tip i'll link the the article in the show notes but uh other than that video games and so we walk every day like except when it's raining but it's been super nice out lately uh claire and i are getting bored of where we're walking and like they just shut down all the new jersey state parks so our new goal we just decided is on my watch i've been testing this gps feature where it like maps out where you're going so we're going to start drawing pictures with my walking so that's

okay that's sick i think that's when you do them yeah i'll tweet them or we'll put them on the waveform instagram since we don't have a ton of stuff putting up there now because we're not doing too much um but how is mac holding up i gotta ask exhausted every day oh he's just like he's so happy because he just goes on a walk we did we've done five mile walks like multiple times in the last week so he goes on a walk he comes home he eats and then he's just lights out lights out for like the rest of the night so he's pretty pumped uh he said he misses the studio. He said he misses you. Nice. All right.

Well, we'll get it all back. So I mentioned earlier that we just have started shooting video in the new studio. A lot of the stuff, it's kind of funny. I've moved a lot of stuff. So there's a lot of parallels of things I've literally just picked up from upstairs, brought down and put like where you'd expect in the new studio. But since there's some differences in rooms and the landscape is a bit different, I've just been messing with placement of things and basically it's shoot ready.

But I'd be curious if you like watch that that first video, that OnePlus 8 Pro review, how much of it you recognize from like different spaces we've set up and what you think it looks like right now. I mean, I don't really know how much you've set up in there. The last time I was there, we had like the podcast room kind of set up. I put all the flooring down. And then other than that was just like the pool table. And there was a room filled with stuff. So the first thing I noticed is by almost not noticing anything which was that you did top-down stuff and it looked exactly the same so i know that's in a totally different room and you're starting to do pot or top-down stuff elsewhere which is just kind of proof that it's

all in in how the setup is and that it doesn't matter what room you're in and you've just changed it and it still looks exactly the same which is which is pretty neat but other than that i yeah i was just kind of looking around trying to to see which maybe like corner or i really like the new windows and i like all the like the metal accents we have on on some of the posts around there same yeah no there's a lot of good stuff so a lot of it really is just going to be like stuff you notice in the background of videos yeah so before we talk about the phone you, you can just look in the background of each shot and see like, oh, that's the pool table or that's that new carpet or that's that new gray wall, uh, studio room.

Uh, a lot of the stuff, uh, you won't, you won't actually see it yet. You just kind of see it in the background and sort of notice it. But I did do that, that one studio moving vlog. And I think we will probably have another one coming up in the next couple weeks as we do some more interesting stuff besides just moving things into there yeah one of them that i think is really interesting is potentially wrapping one of the walls okay so you already know you can paint you can paint the wall and we have a room with like gray paint on the walls now and you can do decals on the doors and we've done that

but one of the more interesting solutions to adding a little bit of color or a little bit of art is going to be just like you can wrap a phone in vinyl just like you can wrap your car in vinyl you can wrap an entire wall with the windows and doors cut out in vinyl too and so we're sort of working on some drafts of what that might look like but that that could actually be super cool and the bonus is it would be wrapped by the same couple guys who wrapped my car because they're so good at wrapping large surfaces i guess it just translates well so that's pretty exciting that's awesome yeah you sent a couple mock-ups um it looked really cool and actually the first question i had was this must be like a wrap or something because it seems way too intricate to to be a painting kind of

thing but yeah i know we also have we've talked to at least one artist to potentially come and do some sort of mural in there and we have a lot of really cool ideas for kind of turning the space into like a really really visually, like the last studio space was visually pleasing and all the stuff we put in the middle, but I feel like we didn't do anything to the outskirts of it and the walls, we like hung some shelves. So we have a clean slate here that I think is going to really, really come out once all of this is done being said. Here's what I'll say. I've explained it a couple of ways to some people, but when you're setting up a space like this, that is a video studio, it is actually surprisingly easy to just make a place look good,

but that might not sound good. And it's also pretty easy to make a place sound good, but that place won't necessarily look good. So the challenge is to have a good looking and good sounding space. And then, you know, you fill in all the insides and make it a productive work environment and a dream high tech video studio and all that stuff comes after. But yeah, the foundation of it is making it look good and sound good at the same time and then building into that. So that's where we're at with that.

Yeah. Quick question though. Have you attempted to move the robot yet? Or have you even thought about it? I have not. I've thought about it, but it's definitely going to be one of the last things I think when I have help with it. Right now, if you picture the Studio A a right now studio a is completely empty

except the following things my original desk okay your desk is still there wait my next my next guess would be the phone slash camera cabinet yes okay the main gear cabinet is still there so then i'm guessing possibly the other cabinet as well even though that had way less stuff in it but just those cabinets are tough it's even bigger the gear the gear cabinet was six feet tall or seven and the second cabinet was eight feet tall oh geez um other than that from what i've seen you've like i haven't seen everything you've done but the other larger items i know you've taken out. So I can't imagine much more is in there. The only thing left in there is the dream desk.

Oh, of course. Man, we haven't really used the dream desk in a while. Sadly, yeah, we got to get it down to the space. I kind of forget about it sometimes. Yeah, getting that down is going to be tough, man. You're not slipping that on top of that wheelie desk that you have and moving it anywhere. It's tough because I think it's got to be sideways. So there's some things that I think we'll have to move as a team when we eventually

get the opportunity to work together in one place again. Also, actually, I'm not going to give that away. There's another update, but you guys will just have to wait and see that. Okay, cool. Sounds good. Awesome. Cool. Do you have any content you liked this week or the last two weeks?

Honestly, not in particular. You've been much busier than yet. Yeah, I've listened to some new podcasts. There is a reply all, but it was just a recap of two previous episodes. So I've listened to it while driving into the studio. But really, most of my time staying sane has been spent going up and down the elevators and pushing things forward and backward through the hallway. So yeah, that's where I'm at.

Yeah. I mean, John Oliver had a new coronavirus update. That's I feel like I'm going to mention that every time he does it because it's just extremely well formed i think my only oh actually i've started playing a new game when i watch john oliver and i know you watch a lot of him too so i want you to think about this next time you watch him okay watch his videos and there's always a part somewhere in the beginning or middle that he then references that all the way at the end he always like brings some part from the beginning and puts it back at the end so my new game is as i'm

watching i think of the really funny thing that happened in the middle and i go that that's the clip i'm gonna see at the end again 100 yeah that's like the structure of the show actually that's a big structure for a lot of comedy bits it is like they'll do something at the beginning of the show and then the last line or the last bit of of the closing wrap-up is a reference to something that happened earlier that's that sort of ties it all together uh yeah i know i really like that show so that's that's a good one he's great yeah he also has got to be the best home setup even though it's just a completely white wall like seeing some of these late night hosts and their setups it's i mean like they're all doing it from like iphones we've seen

some i linked you one today i think it was like a david spade interview where they all had this weird like video background blur going on and it just looked yeah you know that's something i've i've been thinking about like now that i'm seeing all of these shows that are typically in studios or like really well produced, I'll see them or even the new show, John Krasinski's like Good News Show, which I'm pretty sure shot on an iPhone. I'm like imagining now like the behind the scenes of how these things get made or even, you know, some of the YouTube stuff we typically watch that's made in a studio. You can now see being made at home and you can sort of visualize the new setups of it. Um, maybe that's just my brain. Cause every time I watch something, I'm thinking about how it's made instead of just watching it like a normal person. But that's, that's definitely something I'm noticing. Do you know what would be really sick that this would be such a sweet video for our channel because we do studio tours,

but like, man, maybe we can get the get the help of our listeners to start tagging some people but how sick would it be if we could get a couple of those hosts or whatever to just do like a quick little video tour of their setup like i would love to see john john krasinski's what is it some good news i'd love steven colbert has a really great setup um i think the only thing i noticed recently is that he must set it up with his light and not realize how much he moves his head because the light reflection in his eyes like you can see the big softbox he has set up behind it's just this like giant square in his glasses see that would distract me for the whole video it did um other

than that i think stephen colbert's got one of the best setups out there right now. But like, man, it would be really sick if somehow we could get in touch. Why? If we could get in touch with some of these talk show hosts and they could just turn the camera around and and show us what they're shooting with and and be able to show everybody like these are primetime video people or video productions that are now being shot most likely with an iphone or some sort of phone and being broadcast but then it also a lot of it is also like a big reminder that if the content is still good then the gear doesn't really matter as much it's yeah it's kind of fun obviously to shoot with high-end gear hello yeah that's what i'm doing but like when you when you get down to it and everyone's quality takes a takes a sideways leap and you're still just kind of watching for

the content then you can really just appreciate that that's what they're really good at so yeah that's fun too for sure um yeah i do have one other video um unfortunately you are not going to be interested about this like at all probably um all right it's about coffee it's about coffee i know you're not a big coffee fan um ever since peter mckinnon came to the studio a few years ago and like gave me a bunch of tips on how to start up a good coffee red like home brewing regimen i've been completely hooked i think it's because i like cooking so much it's kind of similar to cooking like you have all these different recipes and and temperatures and ways to to make coffee but uh if everybody's at home

and they don't have a good cup of coffee because they're not going out to a coffee shop there's a channel called James Hoffman and he makes really really in-depth and pretty well shot for a pretty simple setup um of just like every type of brewing method you could ever think of and like the best ways of doing all of it um i'm just gonna link one in the show notes it's based on his v60 tutorial which is like a pour over method it's only like the whole brewing method's like 20 bucks on amazon so it's pretty cheap easy warning everybody's at home and can spend i spent like the first week in quarantine just like perfecting a cup of coffee because I would just make it. And if it wasn't good, I would just make another cup and do that and then go bananas because I had too much caffeine.

But yeah, James Hoffman, really cool video if you want a cup of coffee. But now back to something you're interested in. Well, we got a bunch we got a bunch of announcements to go over that's i think the meat of the show this week so let's take a quick break and come back and talk about uh one plus eight one plus eight pro and then of course the new iphone se and uh some other quick announcements so we'll be right back So we'll be right back. Bet MGM, authorized gaming partner of the NBA, has your back all season long.

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We have OnePlus 8 Pro. Where should we start? Let's do 8 Pro because that's what we made a video on and that's what I've gotten to see the most of so far. True, that's the first. All right, I'm holding it up. We have a Zoom call going so I can show you the camera. This is the phone, but you saw the video. The very, very matte blue phone. OnePlus announced both of their new phones the 8 and the 8 pro but the 8 pro is really as i said in the title of the review just a straight up flagship now and that comes with all the flagship like fittings and trimmings but also a flagship price and that's got a lot of people's feathers ruffled but we're looking at snapdragon 865 8 or 12 gigs of ram a 6.78 inch and that's a big uh screen it's bigger than my iphone 11 pro max um 6.78 inch 120 hertz amoled display 240

hertz touch sense refresh uh wireless charging for the first time in, I guess, ever in a OnePlus phone, an IP68 official rating again for the first time in a OnePlus phone. And they've always talked about like, you know, we've tested it, but we don't pay for the official certification. Now it's there. And it's got a quad camera set up on the back, a 48 megapixel main camera, a 48 megapixel ultra wide camera.

And then you got a 4510 milliamp hour battery. The starting price, $899. So I'm curious, did you have any like initial reactions? Did you watch the event? Did you see the price at the end when they unveiled it? What do you think? I missed the event, but I saw your video, obviously, and watched some other videos and just read up on it.

And I mean, first thing you also see in comments and the first thing that caught my eye is the price. Like OnePlus's always main compliment or criticism is price, right? Like that's pretty safe to say, right? So seeing a OnePlus phone coming in to $900 or a thousand dollars for the, the 12 gig 256 version is it's different. Um, but, but at the same time, like, so yeah, you, like you said before, it's going to rough ruffle feathers. People, I feel like everybody who wants a one plus wants it at $500, no matter which one plus phone it is. Yeah. so I guess we got a $900 phone, but we also at the same time got this $699 OnePlus 8. So that's always in the back of my head when I'm talking about the OnePlus 8 Pro

is we also did get a cheaper phone. But in my opinion, the OnePlus 8, the $699 one, and the review may or may not be live by the time this podcast goes up, depends on when we publish and when this recording is done, but it's not that special anymore. And I think the line that has been running through my head is if we didn't have the OnePlus 8 Pro, the OnePlus 8 is the phone that they'd be labeling as this is our flagship killer this is this is our undercutting the price 699 bucks for

pretty much every flagship feature i mean we'll get more into that in a second but yeah i just i realized i totally just sidetracked that because then there's something even else i want to talk about but let's go let's go into the pro um yeah let's go even even with the price though um nine hundred dollars like so let's go through all these prices starting at 900 and let's think about it more along the lines of the pixel 4 as it still is a little cheaper than some big phones out there but when we're talking about prices specs and everything it feels more like a an s20 or an iphone right it's it's i think it's instantly going to be compared to the galaxy s20 because that's another flagship that came out this

year that's the other big one that has 120 hertz display and is going to be like competing up against the iphone and has a big camera focus like that's that's kind of the main one and they are definitely undercutting that the galaxy s20 for sure starts at a thousand s20 plus is above that s20 ultra is 1400 right so it is that high exactly it's technically undercutting those so it is uh it's competitively priced but it's also coming from a company with a track record of being like look how low our prices are so that's why it's sort of it's at odds with those two worlds that it's trying to live in competing with the flagships. But from what I've used of the phone,

it does compete well with pretty much every feature par, you know, one to one with all the things that I look forward to in a phone to use every day. The two things that you most hear about that are new, the IP68 water resistance, you know, I don't necessarily dunk my phone in water to test that, but I'm glad to hear it's there. You know, I actually did that with the OnePlus 7 Pro, but. It makes you feel safe, I think, carrying it around. Like, I'm at this point, it's another one of those things where I'm just like, yeah, my phone has this and I feel really good about having it.

And maybe I don't use it that often. But when I'm looking at a new phone, I'm oh man that makes me feel so much better knowing that if I you know drop it in the toilet or something like everyone talks about dunking it in the water or like going out in the rain or like dropping it in the beach like let's be real I'm sure the main way people destroy their phone because of water is because they're a moron and they're using it when they're going to the bathroom and they drop it in the toilet I bet you that main way people destroy their phone because of water is because they're a moron and they're using it when they're going to The bathroom and they drop it. I bet you that is way more common than you'd think I family members who have done it And have ruined their phones. It's out there. It's dangerous. Now. You don't have to worry about it

Now you just have to worry about the sanitary part about it Exactly, but for me it is actually going out in the rain Like I I go out and all this This happened a lot and like, you know, maybe a lot more in college when I walked to class every day But I'd just be walking and having water ip68 headphones in was such a big deal for me and having an ip68 phone that I could just take out like You know text someone back and like wipe the water off the screen and put it back in my pocket and not really worry too Much that was actually kind of a big deal for me anyway um but the other you know small change we noticed

on this both of these phones is the selfie camera moved up to the inside of the screen so it's a hole punch cut out in the top left corner um and besides the camera quality being not that great that also i think helps with that official IP68 water resistance rating. Yeah. I think my main question that I have been unable to answer so far is, how much does this really cost the user? Because they've always said, we're passing the savings along to you, right? We do all the testing, we submerge it, we have these seals on the phone. We know it would survive, but it's not officially IP68 water-resistant tested

because this independent testing and certification costs money and we pass those savings on to you. Now that they've come out with a $900 phone, which is $200 plus more than last year, and it's kind of still in line with flagship features, you just added wireless charging and a hole punch camera and IP 68. How much does that cost? That's got to be more than I think. Are you, are you saying like, say they didn't get the certification,

if that was a straight monetary value, like how many dollars would it knock off the final price? Yeah. Dollars cost per user. I would love to know. I would almost argue that I think the, I would say the wireless charging probably is putting way more of an end user cost onto the phone. And then in terms of the IP68 rating, my guess would be they landed somewhere that was close enough to a rounded up number that they were like, all right right if this phone is 870 dollars or 900 everyone's gonna say it's 900 either way so so we should just put the card in there especially in the sense of the fact that like we are going this is like we are not in

flagship killer category we are in flagship category and we want to be compared to the other flagships and they have this rating. We need to have this rating. No matter how many times you tell people specs don't matter, people watch specs. And every time you can just check one more little box on that, it makes you look that much more impressive. Specs and price. Yeah.

I just, I know they're not pricing these phones at cost, right? They have a cost for it. It's total cost of parts and labor to put it all together, ship it, package it, get it out the door. And then they add on top of that, their own margins, their own profits. So how much I'm thinking like if wireless, if IP68, because I don't think wireless charging is that expensive. I think you add the coil and you sort of make sure the glass is thin enough and you're good i might be wrong about that but i'd have to talk to some people i feel like the ip rating r and d also probably is definitely yeah yeah yeah just to get it you know fit in the phone right and everything but you know if it's 20 bucks per unit which seems for a while it's high to me for ip68 yeah okay that's i was looking

around like 30 a unit so that's why that i mean and that's just like a totally pulled out of the air like i have no idea what i'm talking about but like a certification's gotta be how many like how many units do we think we're selling? Do you think there's any chance that certification is over a million dollars? Uh, I don't know. I, I, I mean, I, I would love to talk to someone who's like signing these contracts and actually getting these things approved. Maybe I should try to, you know, interview, you know, Carl or Pete from one plus or about why they didn't include it. I don't even know if they would say that that cost is the answer or if they would say the actual unit cost that they pay for that.

But maybe it's confidential. Maybe they can't even, maybe they're not allowed to say. Yeah, they probably can't talk about stuff like that. But I mean, so like if you think about it as if we're saying it's 20 bucks, if they sell 50,000 units, that means the certification was a million dollars.

So I feel like $20 isn't... They're definitely selling more than 50,000 units, right? Yeah, they're selling ideally millions. Yeah, so it's really interesting. That's one of the question marks for me. So I feel like it almost makes me wonder more of, is it that big of a... I mean, they're also...

OnePlus has grown so much, so now they can they can look at a certification like that and know they're selling so many more units based on because now they're in carrier stores and stuff like that where the cost of a certification isn't increasing the final end user cost quite as much yeah there's way more variables that to that than i thought about even two minutes ago when you asked me that question. Just in general, the process of making a smartphone from what I've seen behind the scenes, and I think we all know this, it's really just a series of trade-offs

and decisions you have to make to decide to make the phone. I'll make a video maybe almost every year now about what my dream phone would be. And I'm like, yeah, you got to put the highest end specs, get that 120 Hertz display in there, get a 5,000 milliamp hour battery, fast wireless charging, fast wire charging, best cameras, best software, put everything in the phone. If you, if you actually made the phone that I would want as you know, the ideal phone, that phone would be, you know, easily, easily one of the most expensive phones. That phone would be, you know, easily, easily one of the most expensive phones. Let's go 1500 bucks just to like get that phone to me.

And a lot of these companies decisions are also space constrained and resource constrained. So, you know, when you say I want a 5000 milliamp hour battery, but you also say you want fast charging. want fast charging sometimes the chemistry necessary to fit a 5 000 milliamp hour battery in a phone like this is also not ideal for fast charging and you add extra thickness and then cooling becomes a problem so do you add more hardware for cooling and then now that you've added for cooling now you've added thickness to the phone so do you add even like all these things add up as decisions so it's like every time you pull a lever another three levers move and then you pull another lever and another three levers over here move so I kind of wonder if one plus added wireless charging ip68 water resistance was that just like a couple other levers moved and they're like you know what this is a $900 phone now or is this all part of the part of the evil

plan where they were like we're gonna make the most expensive phone we've ever made although I think last year the one plus 7t pro mclaren edition was 900 bucks but either way it there's a lot of questions uh about price i usually don't talk about price as much in phones actually um i think this is the perfect company what they are yeah this is a a company though that has built a huge fan base based on price so it's yeah it's pretty like apparent that its users are very price is a huge factor and they've just been known for that so it's a little weird seeing this i think you tweeted earlier like we are in a year right now where apple just released a phone that is cheaper than every single one plus phone released this year

and that's just something you never expect to hear. I mean, that's, that's just totally another thing. We'll talk about the SE later. It's hard to really compare those two. But I mean, price is a big is a big deal. And I think really, the reason the reason that that those feathers were ruffled so much is because when you look at each company's fan base, like you look at Samsung's fan base, you know what they're getting into. It's a lot of beginners with Android. It's a lot of power users with the S series. With OnePlus, that is potentially the most price sensitive fan group you can have. If you're running OnePlus, you know that your fans have been built on, ooh, I know I can get the same for less by going to

one plus like that's what they're there for there's plenty it's not just one like there are other companies think of amd like in the pc building process like they're a company that's always been you're getting bang for your buck you're going to compete against other more expensive components and competition but you are going to pay less money for it because you're an enthusiast you just don't have the money to be a total enthusiast at the highest of levels but we can make you feel like that for cheaper it's it kind of reminds me of the car world where hyundai when you think of hyundai you know they're obviously a bang for the buck brand. A lot of people will go get their first car will be Hyundai. It's reliable. You're going to drive

a lot of miles in it. This isn't a luxury car. It's a Hyundai. When Hyundai wanted to make $60,000, $70,000 luxury cars, they completely removed the Hyundai brand from it. And they started a new basically company called Genesis and now you see Genesis cars driving around you know with the new badge on them and chauffeuring and their uber blacks and everything but that's made by basically the same exact company uh you wouldn't have bought that if it was a Hyundai so there's a there's a different sort of thing in the phone world where uh I guess if you're you're Xiaomi and and poco you can kind of do that but oneplus isn't starting any new companies they're just uh they're just oneplus through

and through so we're getting the most expensive oneplus phone yet um maybe that's a good segue to the oneplus 8 because that is closer to what i guess you would expect from oneplus can real quick before we hop to oneplus 8 can we just talk about wireless charging a little more because that's like what i'm easily the most excited about yeah um well you've used this is like wireless charging for a while yeah and i've said i wouldn't switch to a one plus until i got it and now i got it and i'm super excited i even forgot that they didn't even i like knew they were pretty good in water and they didn't have the rating but seeing the rating now like makes me even more excited um so we have wireless charging finally uh i think literally last podcast i must have said that i wanted it because i got a million tweets from people saying like looks like you

have no excuse not to use one plus now and all these things coming in so uh oneplus 8 pro looks amazing i would love that phone um and wireless charging and not only wireless charging but 30 watt wireless charging which okay so i think we can address how like so many people have been on oneplus's case for not including wireless charging do you think at this point it was more to do with cost to the end user or do you think it had more to do with warp charging is our shtick? We love really fast charging. Before we put wireless charging in, we want it to be something that fits with the warp charging brand. Okay. I think if you asked OnePlus that question, because I did, they would say they did not include wireless charging because their whole mantra, if you've noticed, is fast and smooth, fast and smooth. And so everything that they do with their phones, every tradeoff they make, every lever they pull is with the goal of fast and smooth.

And that's why they've done Warp Charge 30, Warp Charge 30T. And they'll say, we didn't include wireless charging because, you know, it's just not fast enough. It's just not good enough for our users. And I will say that's their version of an excuse for one of the tradeoffs that they made. You know, they've made tradeoffs in the past. They had no NFC in their phones for a couple of years before people went, hey, I know you're trying to save us money, but like NFC would be nice. Come on. Come on. We kind of want that. So they finally put NFC in their phones. What was their reason for it? They didn't really have one. They were just making trade-offs.

So I think wireless charging was just one of the trade-offs that they felt wasn't really that important. But now that, you know, every iPhone basically has wireless charging, every Samsung, almost everything now has a glass back anyway just go ahead and put wireless charging in it so their shtick now is finally all right we've caved we put wireless charging in our phones and we've made it fast and i love that but i'm sure you've seen the little bit of a snag with the wireless charging at 30 watts which is you need to use literally their exact it's 70 dollars actually their exact 70 wireless charging stand which has got a little fan in it and it's got some optimized software in the phone that's talking to the stand um it's pretty nice and i

like that it charges fast but it does generate a little bit of heat when you use it for a while i've noticed that okay and also the annoying part is the the brick is permanently attached to the cable and that cable is permanently attached to the stand so you can't like loop it through oh like a small little place or something oh yeah yeah it's that's kind of annoying i my hunch is they've done that for compatibility where like if they know they have to get all these certain things right to get warp charge 32 to work with the fan and the right pad and everything they probably just don't want people plugging in a random brick to it and getting mad that it doesn't go at 30 watts um but it is still kind of annoying that you only have that one wireless charger um otherwise it will universally charge at 5 watts or 10 watts with some compatible chargers. I just plop it on my Pixel stand at night and it charges up

overnight. That's what I was going to say. That's no problem. Because I always said you're not into wireless charging until you have a wireless charging stand at your main points of contact in the day. And I was like, oh man, 70 bucks. And I'm gonna have to replace all my wireless chargers, but I don't need fast charging at night. Cause I'm sleeping. I don't think I need it at my desk at home because by the time I'm usually sitting on my desk at home, I'm like playing games or something. It's towards the end of the night. I mostly just prop it up on that. Cause it faces it towards me. And I just like how it stands like that. So I think the only place I would really get it is at my work desk where like, you know,

if it was a shoot day and we're running outside and shooting all day and then coming in for lunch, I can just toss it on there for lunch. Then we go back out and shoot and I'm topped off completely. So yeah, you probably only really need to replace one and you really don't have to replace any of them. If you're in a good spot where,

um, it would be sweet if somehow they made um we're seeing a lot of like car wireless mounts now i know you you have a tesla so you have it down in your little like tray where i don't oh you don't only model three has it only model three okay so anyone with the three probably doesn't have to worry about that but they are doing are doing the clip-in ones that you can do, and the charging stand has the wire instead, and it's wire. So if they had a OnePlus 1 like that, that would be sick because the car is the best place to just have it top off really quick. But I guess I could also see heat.

It's a free accessory idea. Yeah, heat could be a problem with that, though, because when I'm running Spotify and GPS at the same time, my phone can... And not only that, but sitting up on the front of the dash where the sun is just beating in, it gets hot. In a greenhouse. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that actually sounds like a terrible idea. Either way, I'm glad it finally has wireless charging so I don't have that, like, oh, crap moment when I'm, like, low on battery and I just have the wireless charger right there and I got to go find it. So, you know, that's good to see. Um, also just in general, I don't think there's another phone with exact feature parity of the OnePlus 8 Pro that's

that price or lower. Like the, if I go 120 Hertz display, uh, 400 milliamp hour battery at least um we go wireless charging ip68 6812 whatever how much how many gigs of ram you want ufs 3.0 storage like by the time you put all those things you check all those boxes you're looking at maybe three four phones right galaxy s20 and s20 plus uh yeah i'd say the like the big other spec thing yeah like rog phone but i think that's missing but that that did not have wireless charging right i uh rog phone does not have wireless charging it does not have fast charging and it has lesser and and worse cameras yeah okay yeah although actually the camera did pretty well in the uh or it got knocked out first round but it took on the reigning champion and had the closest

matchup i keep forgetting i just always assume it as a terrible camera but like it is pretty bad for how poorly it did it did pretty good in the blind test it got it kicked out a good photo that one time but generally that dual camera setup is not something i'd consider a flagship level uh camera setup also people were questioning my language about that it's a flagship level camera by flagship level i mean on par with the other flagships like it's it's galaxy s20 level it's huawei p40 level and it's worse than the absolute primo best ones which are the iPhone 11 pro and the pixel 4 which all the other flagships also fall below those two so anyway that's one

plus eight pro um I'm holding up to the camera the one plus eight right now what are you getting a sense of the color of this phone this phone it's actually colors kind of hard to tell oh we're also in a zoom call so it's not the best ever but it is just like mirror i'm getting purple i'm getting orange i'm getting blue but yeah the same thing is like the problem with these like mirror finishes is they look so good in like um like marketing video when there's nothing reflecting on it and there's no fingerprints it's like check out this sweet aura glow but right now i'm seeing it with like a bunch of window panels and like fingerprints all over it so it's literally never gonna look good yeah i took it off the box and i looked at it for a couple seconds i was like all right it's never gonna look this good

again and then i just put my hand right on the back of it got my fingerprints gone because there's no way um this isn't even sponsored by dbrand but if you accidentally got this color of the phone you should you could probably skin that you probably cover that up go a little low-key yeah um oneplus 8 costs 6.99 and this is about what i would expect from oneplus if you were just going along with the history of OnePlus phones in 2020, you'd be like, all right, OnePlus is going to make a phone. They're going to undercut somehow the Galaxy S20. You know, they're going to undercut the iPhone. They're going to undercut all the best phones. In fact, $699 is the starting price right now of the iPhone 11. So what are they going to cut out to match that price? And the answer is they didn't go all the way to 120 hertz. They got 90 hertz, but still a beautiful AMOLED display, still bright, still HDR10+, great colors.

It's a little bit smaller, 4300 milliamp hour battery and 6.5 inch display. And no IP68, no wireless charging and a slightly worse set of cameras this is classic one plus because you can imagine the review if this is the only phone they came out with i'd be like well it's a really good phone and it's 699 but the cameras aren't very good and they've made the trade-offs but you still get a snapdragon 865 and 12 gigs of ram and fast storage and it's a high refresh rate so you know they've got a pretty good track record of software updates. But yeah, this is the also phone for OnePlus.

I think it's less special than it used to be. I think it's also interesting you mentioned that right now, good track record of software updates. Talk about the, like, I guess I haven't used Samsung in a while. Is that still a big issue for Samsung? I hated how long it took to get software updates when I was on the Note 8.

For me lately, Samsung software updates have been good up until the first Android upgrade. So like I'll get two, maybe three software updates and they'll be optimized for, you know, performance and improvements to the camera and things like that, the battery life, but then they stop. And some of them in the past, you know, with one UI have gotten that update to Android 10. But I don't know if I'd still say yet that they have a good track record with Android updates. I think OnePlus is is one of the ones that does have a good software

update record. Now, how many people actually care about that when buying a phone? I don't know. I would always say buy a phone based on what you're getting on day one, not with the promise of what software updates might turn it into in the future. Yeah. But yeah, you know, nevertheless, a lot of people do think about software updates, including me and OnePlus has had a pretty good track record there. Yeah. Okay. I, yeah, we were just comparing it to Samsung before. All right, let's go back into just the regular eight. You, you have not done a review on that. You haven't even done an impressions on this yet. So yeah. And again, it depends on when this podcast comes up, but I think that's the next

video, but, uh, it's, it just comes down to over and over. I'm running through my head. I'm like, this is the phone that they would have called a flagship killer if the OnePlus 8 Pro didn't exist. Just because of, you know, hey, we were able to undercut the price this much. $699, what a great price for a higher refresh rate than the base iPhone 11. And you get the Snapdragon 865 and all this fast storage. Like, they got pretty close there. But yeah, obviously they made those trade-offs. It's also a really light phone by the way is there like like a big difference between the the two

you don't have yeah i might have to get i got yeah i gotta get the scale out for the video but i think it's 180 grams and i gotta see how that compares to the others but it is like a pretty thin and light phone it's still not a small phone. I think a lot of people, because it's smaller than the 8 Pro, are calling this the smaller one, but it's still like, let me put this. Just by you holding it up there, it does not look that much different. It's a little narrower but a little taller than the iPhone 11 Pro Max. Okay, yeah. So it's not a small phone.

No. But yeah, it actually is pretty light. I'm gonna give it that. So here's a question. All right, so we mentioned price before and how OnePlus fans are very into more like a $500 to $600 price range. That's what they've been known for. And we took this big step up.

So one thing that they did also, they didn announce it but it's on their um their website is they knocked down the price of the last year's oneplus 7 pro to 500 so if for some reason you didn't upgrade last year and you're still looking to do a big upgrade to a phone that still competes with things that are out now like top level phones the oneplus 7 pro at 500 seems like a steal almost um if you're not willing to go up to the seven eight nine hundred dollar range yeah definitely i think we'll talk a lot more about price in the next segment when we come back because it's the cheapest iphone in a while yeah um but yeah i think you know there's a lot a lot of stuff to look forward to with the oneplus segment when we come back because it's the cheapest iPhone in a while. Yeah. But yeah, I think, you know, there's a lot, a lot of stuff to look forward to with the OnePlus 8 and 8 Pro.

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And this got a lot of reactions. I guess anytime Apple does anything, they get a big reaction. But this got a lot of reactions. And the more you think about it, the less reaction worthy it seems like it really is. Oh, yeah. We can dive into it. Of course. reaction worthy it seems like it really is oh yeah we can dive into it of course so so the phone essentially is a red black or white iphone 8 body so if you imagine you know the touch id

fingerprint reader and the home button at the bottom the single 12 megapixel camera on the back and the 4.7 inch retina hd on the front, but with revised internal. So it's got the new guts from the iPhone 11. So you're talking a 13 bionic CPU, probably more RAM. And it starts at 64 gigs of storage and it'll be 18 watt fast charging capable. But the headline maker is it's $399. So 400 bucks for a new iphone that that my friends is a impressive deal i'm not gonna lie but i think the more you think of i mean apple apple

packages perfectly because the iphone se you know the phone that we all loved that even smaller with like the rectangular like you know side edges and you could stand up alone on a table with the square boxy design and the speaker grill at the bottom like that sweet phone that sold like half a billion units it's not that but they're putting the name from it on a rebranded iphone 8 like recycled parts bin phone uh and it's got a you know a pretty decent list of specs that make it impressive in some ways and i gotta test this because i don't know how good the camera is going to be hopefully pretty good it's ip67 water resistance um it can do portrait mode on that single camera but just on people kind of like uh the iphone 8 Yeah, 64 gigs, you know,

it's not that much storage. But again, it's only 400 bucks. So can we be mad? But yeah, it's basically an iPhone 8 with some new guts. And it's undercut a lot of things. And it's an iPhone, which people really like. I mean, yeah, let's all be honest, that's the most important thing is that it's an iPhone. It's an iPhone that let's all be honest. That's the most important thing is that it's an iPhone. It's an iPhone that's going to be in a carrier service. And when someone goes in and says, I want your cheapest iPhone, they're finally not going to be like, well, there goes all of my money. They'll finally have it. I mean, a lot of people who are just asking for an iPhone probably won't even know the difference really between, I mean, it'll be set up next to like an an iPhone 11 that has like a bezel-less

display and no home button and that might be like oh this looks a little dated now but for the most part I think this thing's gonna sell like crazy yeah I fully agree with that I do think it's gonna sell a lot especially with that SE name on it it's gonna sell a lot because of that but I also think like when the average person walks into a store and they see the iphone 11 pro next to the iphone se basically as far as feature differences because ios is the same as far as feature differences they're looking at like a phone with touch id and some thicker bezels and no face unlock is 400 bucks and basically the same phone next to it a little bit bigger with bezel lists and and a big notch and no touch id is a thousand bucks i know that's not the whole comparison to the story but like that's a oh yeah that's a big statement to make

so that 400 iphone looks really tempting for a lot of people this is also you know people have mentioned on twitter good phone for a kid if you don't want to spend a thousand dollars on a new iPhone for them, a good phone for your parents, if they're in iOS and their old iPhone's getting kind of old, their iPhone six, you know, their iPhone success is getting kind of old. This new iPhone SE is an upgrade in a lot of ways for sure. I know like our our friend grover just bought an he bought an iphone 10s recently and his biggest complaint is that none of the iphones are small like his i think he came off of a five or a six and he loved just having to have one hand can reach everything no problem no like far reaching so i almost feel bad that this came out months after

he just bought an iphone 10s which he still thinks is too big so like people just want something that's small also like it it's gonna fit in a lot of really great categories and like you said 400 is going to just sell like hotcakes even the 128 gig version is only another 50 bucks 50 bucks for the upgrade that seems that seems like the best deal honestly double your storage capacity for an extra 50 bucks you're still under the the 500 mark and i'm sure with like a carrier and monthly payments that's like unnoticeable almost so here's my question here's here's the big question for 2020. Is this iPhone SE, and you can't cheat and say both, more likely to win best compact phone of the year

or best budget phone of the year? The $400, 4.7-inch A13 Bionic iPhone. Is it more? mean okay if i had to bet right now i bet there is a much higher chance that a good phone comes out at a budget worthy price than there is another phone that comes out at that size pretty much like we don't see phones you're talking about we were just talking about the oneplus 8 pro which is probably like 60 bigger than what this phone is like phones just don't come out small anymore compact phone has always been probably the least competitive category in our our smartphone award so if i want

to break this down and make this question not fun anymore, I think it's a lock for compact phone just because nobody else makes small phones like that. That's fair. I was actually gonna, you've swayed me because I was gonna say, I was gonna say this phone is a lock

for budget phone of the year because $399 is definitively budget because what price did Pixel 3a launch at last year? Oh man, you shouldn't have said that. $399. I know,. Because what price did Pixel 3a launch at last year? Oh, man, you shouldn't have said that. $399. I know, but like it's obviously Pixel 3a was like the phone everyone loved. Yeah, that was like a great launch price for clearly the best camera. But now here comes Apple with potentially a very similar camera for $399.

But with a better processor. Because let's not forget that the Pixel 3a had a much worse processor on it. Yeah. So I think you could sway me because I think there are going to be other phones coming out at $399 this year that may have other interesting... Oh yeah, obviously. I mean, Pixel 4a might be coming, but we're also just generally looking at that being a more competitive space right now there's other there's gonna there's gonna be others that have other features that will one up the iphone like there's gonna be 399 phones with 120 hertz screen you might want that there's gonna be 399 phones with huge batteries maybe you want that one maybe you want the 399

phone with you know a high-res amoled and we haven't seen the the poco phone f2 yet we saw the x2 with still hints of potentially an f2 as the predecessor to the original poco phone that we all loved so like that's another one more spec wise but i think seeing i feel like this iphone se basically look google straight in the eye and said hey we saw her i mean hey you did really really well with a cheap phone that has a great camera here is our cheap phone with our great camera but top of the line processor where you just like completely yeah that's that's fair yeah yeah so i don't know it's to me that looks like a better deal than the 3a or what potentially will be the 4a if it follows the same footsteps as the 3a.

So this, I think, you know, you could probably argue either way that it's more of a lock for best budget phone or more of a lock for best compact phone. But I think your argument of how many other flagships at this size are we going to see will probably hold up for the rest of the year. But that being said, if I do, if I do consider this a budget phone alongside pixel three a at three 99, how low do you have to go? Like maybe the question is what is a budget smartphone price? How high is it? How low is it? Is there a bracket you have to fit into and is the iphone a default like top two budget phone i think it's like that is such a hard question because obviously price is always based

on um like it's all relevant to who the person is that like what is their budget and then what is cheaper than their budget and what is considered budget to them it's something that we get comments on literally every single time we ever talk about price um and i don't think it just has to do with budget i think it's budget mid-range and premium and now we're like people are mad that we're calling phones premium when they're 1400 so that's like luxury but um see i think about what happened budget okay good when i think about budget like if i wanted to think of really like the lowest amount of money that i'd want to pay that's like still giving me really good specs like 250 seems like the rock bottom of like i'm buying a new phone and this is but i i still wouldn't consider that budget i think 250 to i agree with

you 400 is probably that's a really good bracket range where like i'm buying this phone new and i expect it to do some things that new phones do if i'm going under 250 i would rather just look for a used phone that used to be good because any any phone under $250, I feel like is just, if you're buying that new one, it's probably not worth it. See, what happened was it used to be that the highest end best phones were like $579. Yeah. Like $650 were like the really high end ones. We just don't live in that world anymore. Exactly.

I remember those days pretty well when I was in college. I was like, wow, we're getting kind of crazy. $659 for a phone? Are you guys kidding me? Now it's like double that as an appropriate base price for the S20 Ultra. Like it's stratified so much that now the highest end being so expensive has allowed this new like middle tier to form where like you could kind of put the OnePlus 8 at $699 in there. You could kind of put the one plus eight at 699 in there you could kind of put the iphone 11 at 699 in there like it's a weird uh you know i don't know if i can call it mid-range or like premium mid-range ultra mid-range how about that the ultra mid-range uh is a whole new category that we got from that but yeah i think i would agree like as far as

budget i would say you can you can go from 250 i'll say that's fair all the way up to like budget again it is relative so i'm gonna say 500 because because of one plus 70 phones like that last year were like it was so good at 500 that you didn't have a reason to buy the 700 one so it felt air quotes budget yeah i feel like that's also the heart like sorry to cut you off in your train of thought but like budget also can be seen of as like if your one plus's goal is to be flagship levels at a cheaper price so is is it like one plus is a budget flagship, whereas other phones are just budget phones? Like one plus, it was like you were, you were

aware of your budget to try and get something at a higher price. Therefore, if I just call it a budget phone, some people might be like, well, that's not in my budget at all. But for other people, it might be like, all right, I want that top of the line, but I'm saving $200 off of the next thing that has specs similar to that. It's yeah, it's it comes out of words with this with this question. It's Yeah, the word budget is subjective. Obviously, everyone has a different level that they would consider budget. But I, I think you're right, it comes down to feature parity where like if you're considering, you know, three different phones to buy and these three phones

all have the same set of features, the cheapest one is the budget one, no matter what range that was. If that was the $700, $800, $900 version of the same set of features, the $700 one is the budget version. So yeah, it'll come down to like what other phones are in its range

that's why like one plus eight is in kind of a weird place at 699 we're like now you're competing against the lowest end iphone 11 but the highest end premium mid-range budget phones and like the best xiaomi phones and you know like there's this this weird like stretching of like between the low end and the high end where you're trying to trying to isolate and like place yourself as competitively priced but against what it's weird it's hard to define it's really tough yeah um but i'm glad i'm glad we do finally actually have a 399 new iphone it's just so funny that yeah you know putting the se name on it got it so much more attention because we're already waiting for like a new se i mean yeah that's the thing is the se has been rumored for what like or not

rumored but people have wanted it really really adamantly for like the past three years now right it's been potentially rumored for at least over a year and like it's just been what what people are talking about so apple just made a great move by basically like you said rebranding and a putting the sc tag on it which like down plays it maybe a little too much it's still a great price like an iPhone at $400 is amazing but at the same time it's not quite as hype worthy as everyone wanted yeah I'll be honest I was on a Apple hosted a video call where they're breaking down all the information and and giving us uh what to expect with this phone and they did the price last of course so they were going through all the features and you know they showed the new form

factor and it looks just like an iPhone 8 and we're going through it. And right before they announced the price, I I'm usually pretty good at looking at it and guessing what I think the price is going to be. I've, I've nailed this with phones in the past with Samsung phones of one plus phones while I've nailed it. Um, they got to the end of that presentation and I looked at my screen and I said, 599. And cause I'm just thinking like, what was the iPhone eight when it came out? I don't know. Something like 600, how much iPhone eight launch price.

I'm Googling it right now. You can probably hear me typing. How much did the iPhone eight cost when it came out? 699 for the 64 gig iPhone eight. So take that phone, put the newest processor, the A13 Bionic in it, give it like the same touch ID, the same 4.7 inch screen, like nothing else is really changing much. It's just an older phone. And take that 650 phone and make it 599, maybe 549. And the fact that they went all the way down to 399 caught me off guard a little bit

I was like wow that's right in line with the rumors I didn't think they'd go that low but there it is there it is 2020 is a weird year man it's definitely a weird year speaking of weird year Apple price stuff Apple is now selling

I need to go back to twitter just to make sure i'm not reading this wrong because this is uh this is right in line with talking about price when we don't usually apple is selling mac pro wheels and mac pro i saw this it's like 699 isn't it 700 dollars for wheels. You can buy these wheels by themselves. My favorite tweet about that was, I think Detroit Borg posted, you can now buy wheels for your Mac Pro at the same price that you can buy wheels for your car. That's actually true. Wait, oh my God.

How much are the wheels for my car? That's actually kind of sad. So yeah, you can buy the stainless steel feet if you already had the wheels and they were too expensive you can buy the literally just four stainless steel stands for 300 bucks but the one last thing that apple is selling is the uh the 300 magic keyboard stand for the ipad pro is now on sale uh and 350 bucks for the bigger one i i'm ordering it i'm low-key kind of excited to just see how it does i think you and i had a very long conversation about what's good and what's bad and how we would use it so i'm very interested to see how it gets used i'm excited for this i don't

even own an ipad i don't own any tablet and i I think it's really cool. I think it's super expensive and not for everybody, but I still think it's really cool. Yeah. It's like a, a lot of people who use their iPads in places where they wish, like right now I have my iPad. I never use a keyboard with, I almost always just have it in like the trifold thing where it just props up and I almost always use it to just watch videos. Um, but yeah, a lot of people use iPads as like, you know, you're on the plane entertainment where you just want it to like hover. Maybe you want to answer some emails. Suddenly you want a track pad and you just want to type and it's a productivity machine after you add this much stuff to it. So it's, it's going to

be interesting. I'm definitely reviewing that. there's one thing i don't think it will ever replace in terms of a laptop um it looks like it needs like somewhat of a hard surface to be sitting on and oh how lappable is it yeah yes not even just like maybe it would be fine in your lap with your legs because you can like really set your legs up but how many times are you like we're traveling and it's just the end of the night and you just plop your laptop on your lap while like sitting in the hotel bed that does not look like a good position for the so yeah that's the thing you want to test that in the review oh yeah that would be a lap ability section okay there's but like the thing about laptops and hinges is like, I think they're kind

of underrated when you think about, all right, I have an iPad, but I want it to be my computer. What do I need? I need a keyboard. So you have a laptop or sorry, you have an iPad and you have a separate keyboard. And then you're like, oh, I don't want to keep reaching up to the screen. So I got to get a trackpad or a mouse. So you get a trackpad. Then you have an iPad sitting here, a keyboard sitting on the ground and a trackpad sitting next to it. get a trackpad then you have an ipad sitting here a keyboard sitting on the ground and a trackpad sitting next to it and you're like wow what if i could integrate all these things into one so now you have your magic keyboard accessory with the ipad sitting above the keyboard then the keyboard and the trackpad built into one which is so sweet but

you could just but you could just buy a you just buy a laptop and then you just have them all built into one now admittedly you lose the touch screen yes you don't get the two yeah you lose the ability to pop it off and have a just standalone tablet for when you do i think that's the which is we're just into this like so niche category of people who want a tablet that detaches and can be a tablet sometimes, but can also be almost a full laptop at other times with mouse trackpad support. We'll see. I mean, maybe it'll prove us all wrong.

The two-in-one world is probably either shaking at their boots or just pointing and laughing at this iPad thing. One or the other. One or the other. Wow. Well, I think that's about all we have for this week. Here's some breaking news. At the very end of the podcast, we're planning another episode next week

and another episode for the week after that. So, you know what? If you're following on Twitter, if you just want to tweet some stuff at us that you want us to react to or talk about, between now and the next episode, send us our way at waveform wvfrm on twitter um i think that there's going to be a lot of videos ramping back up in fact that's sort of my pseudo promise as i finish moving into the studio space uh is there's

going to be a bunch more videos now there's a bunch more tech coming out there's all the stuff we talked about that's not at the studio yet. Hopefully we'll be here soon. That iPhone, that magic keyboard, all that stuff. But tweet us, that waveform. If something pops up on Twitter

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some of the best new tech stuff in the next week. But yeah, that's basically it. Thanks for tuning in. This has been episode nine i think is that right 2020 yeah episode nine okay 2020 so uh see you next week for episode 10 thanks for listening waveform is brought to you in part with studio 71 and our intro outro music is created by Cameron Barlow.