Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - OnePlus and Xiaomi’s New Folding Phones

Episode Date: August 11, 2023

This was a slow week for news, but that doesn't mean we didn't have a lot to talk about. Marques, Andrew, and David kick it off talking about the Apple Vision Pro before pivoting into Google turning on RCS by default on Android. After that, they discuss two new foldables that might be coming soon and talk about the state of the foldable market in general. Then, we end it with a fun new game we're calling "Break the Budget" where the hosts need to pick three tech items without going over a given budget. It's chaotic but a ton of fun! Make sure you stick around to the end for the trivia answers as always. Enjoy! Links: MacRumors Magic Battery: https://bit.ly/macrumorsmagicbattery Lindsey Gamble TikTok story: https://bit.ly/tiktokpodcasts OnePlus Foldable: https://bit.ly/oneplusfoldable Onleaks x Smartprix: https://bit.ly/onleaksxsmartprix Xiaomi Mi Mix Fold Teaser: https://bit.ly/mimixfoldteaser Shop products mentioned:  Google Pixel Fold at https://geni.us/zhOE5oh Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 5 at https://geni.us/ofBYJ6J  Nintendo Switch Lite: Nintendo Switch Lite: https://geni.us/cgc9g Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Instagram/Threads/Twitter: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https:https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I just hit the mic, but that's okay. So we're going to talk about our favorite RCS messages. We have TikTok getting into the podcast world, which is actually maybe not as crazy as it sounds. Two new foldables. And we also have a fun new game we're going to try to play, which involves budgeting for your tech. It'll make sense when we get there. But first, we have huge breaking Apple Vision Pro news.

It's something that they didn't say in the keynote, but we've learned something factual potentially about Apple Vision Pro. Are you ready for this? I'm ready. The previously named MagSafe battery pack is now actually going to be called the Magic Battery. If this battery was actually magic, it would last longer than two hours. And would it need to be another battery pack strapped into it to last longer? You wouldn't have to plug it in to watch a full movie. I think it's funny because

they said it was MagSafe or whatever on stage, and then I think everyone assumed it would just slap onto the side with a magnet because that's what MagSafe usually is. But I don't think that's exactly what was happening. And I think they saw all the reviews and impressions videos and realized, oh, that's confusing. And then they took the MagSafe name out and they just said,

what do we call it? Magic. But it's still a two-hour battery what else does has apple called magic besides the mouse a lot magic trackpad magic keyboard keyboard magic i feel like there's software accessories the disk drive is the magic drive is it really yeah they like that word is no they still sell it for 79 in the store i've had to buy it because when i got an x-ray they give you it on a disc and i had to figure out how to buy a cd drive for my mac and that was rough you might be the only person who's bought an 80 disc drive to look at your x-ray i wanted to look at my x-ray i was like is my hand broken or not i guess i have to spend this money and figure this out yeah that's amazing wow yeah they had the it's literally on a disc was

it broken it was broken yeah that's i remember probably worth the 80 exactly uh so yeah that apple also loves using the word magic on stage to describe how things work they're not the only company though i feel like google did that a lot with like the magic eraser magic eraser and they'll say things are just like magic it works just like magic yeah well there's that quote any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic and i agree with that quote yeah i agree with it in the apple vision pro also it is a battery a magical thing the least magical thing about it is the two-hour battery life yeah so hard to call it honestly the headset itself like doing that demo, kind of felt like magic.

The battery is just a battery. The headset is more magical than the battery. But would you have bought Apple Magic Headset? Magic Leap was the name of a real thing. That's true. Magic Leap was a real thing. Yeah, Magic Headset would be a terrible name. Yeah, that's true.

But I wouldn't have counted out. Anyway, okay. So we have Google Messages turning on RCS by default. And group end-to-end encryption is now launched. I noticed this because I was texting from a review phone to another phone that I had. And it was immediately RCS by default on. And I was very happy about that. And I was like, I don't think I'd turn that on.

That was cool. Cool to see. The iPhone is still no longer involved in this whole RCS thing. Yeah. That's pretty much it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Google kind of was pushing this ad campaign for the last year or so called Get

the Message, where they've been trying to get Apple to adopt RCS or at least allow RCS in the Apple Messages app. Yep. Not going to happen. or at least allow RCS in the Apple messages app. Yep. Not going to happen. But I think, you know, when Google first launched this, I was like, it feels like they're just being really like weirdly aggressive and like it's not really going to do anything.

But I do think that it has helped the general public consciousness kind of like be more on Google's side. And I think that's the intention. Yeah, I think that's the intention yeah i think that's a marketing campaign like i don't think they expect apple to change at all but it's a sweet marketing campaign to be like hey look apple's not changing this but we have yeah i i noticed like it's been a very uh well-received topic by people who find out it's kind of interesting like i don't think this ad campaign is designed to sell android phones no or to to get apple to actually change anything but i think because google knows that there's no

shot they ever change it that they can just push on as hard as they want with this and if they do actually change they win but also if they don't change everyone just gets to see apple painted as kind of the bad guy in this one feature war. We did a video or a short on RCS and this whole part of the battle that they've been waging for a while. And a lot of people in the comments are like, whoa, I didn't know about this. And this is actually crazy.

I didn't realize that. I remember Hasan Minhaj was here. We were talking on The Daily Show and the same thing happened. He was asking me, why are the messages, there are so many different messaging platforms, and every time I try to message someone on the Android phones, don't work with the iPhones.

And I actually explained, I think for the first time he's ever heard that, I was like, you know that's actually by design, right? Like Tim Cook literally. He'd never heard that before? Yeah, he was like, yeah, buy an iPhone. Like get your mom an iPhone. He was like, oh, really? That's actually fascinating.

We live in such a bubble. Yeah. That's's like, oh really? That's actually fascinating. We live in such a bubble. Yeah. That's crazy. So they're getting it out the bubble. They're like spending money to tell people about this. I think that them turning it on both by default for new and existing users is like really important and really good. It's very rare that a company will auto flip on a switch that you have to opt out of that

has already been off. Because generally when you would start using google messages and rcs became available to your carrier there would be a pop-up that was like do you want to turn on rcs messaging but like what regular people that don't know what are like they have no idea what that means exactly when it first came out i like had my specific friends i turned it i was like i know who has this on right now i texted like three people and then immediately saw like them typing back to me and all the things and we were all like oh my god this is so sick and i was like no one cares well yeah i mean google is changing like a lot

of the verbiage in the messages app too because they now instead of like start a new message it says start a new chat and i think they understand that the word chat to people feels more like a free-flowing, like, live thing. Interesting. Whereas messaging is more of, like, an email. It's like a little old-schooler. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. But, yeah, it's crazy that they turned it on by default for everybody.

I think that's really good. They had 800 million people using RCS as of I.O., and they said by the end of the year they'll have over a billion. I'm pretty sure this just pushed them over like multiple billion. The easiest way to get to a big number is force it. But I think it's going to be great overall for a lot of people who now just start texting each other. And all of a sudden they have like, you know, rich messaging features. I was going to say, it feels like there's no downside.

Yeah. Just in the way I'm looking at it. I think if you asked Apple or if you asked other companies,'d be like well this is the google rcs or there are certain things that they don't want to to like jump in with google on but generally if i'm a user it's like oh you just turned on encryption for me you just added features for me and you just gave me like typing indicators and reactions i feel like that's a win totally yeah yeah and i think that over the next few years like the sooner they were going to get this out the door the better that over the next few years, like the sooner they were going to get this out the door, the better. Because over the next few years, it'll become less and less of a meme that Google doesn't have a competitor to iMessage, which I think is really good.

Because like throughout most of the world, Android phones are way more popular than the iPhone. So just being able to have something that can be with that is good. The group and end encryption finally being live live also very important because when you would talk about rcs to people a lot of people who were sort of in the know would be like rcs is still a joke because it doesn't have group end-to-end encryption they mentioned that they were going to do this like over two years ago um single user to user and encryption through rcs launched over two years ago in a while yeah and they've said we're working on group messaging end-to-end encryption forever, and they just

launched it. So, very glad it's finally here. Do we know what happens yet if one person in the group chat doesn't have it? Does it just become the new meme? I don't know. Like the whole thing breaks? I would like to test this because it's either the whole thing breaks, but at

WWDC this year, one of the updates that they didn't actually talk about on stage but was an update to iMessage was that if you have an Android user in a group chat, but there are also other iPhone users in the group chat, the iPhone users can continue to use a lot of the iMessage features with each other. And the Android users just won't really see those. And it won't really work for

them but that is sort of a two-side like double-sided coin right like you could that could be good or that could be bad depending on how you look at it so they could either do that app google could either either do that or they could just make it totally break so it's kind of up to them might have to try it yeah i have to try i think we have to test it yeah mess around and find out so deeter is very happy shout out deeter deeter somewhere in the in the basement of a google office yes having a pizza party right um all right what is this headline about tiktok hosting full podcasts i'm not really sure all i see this this headline and i'm like all right tiktok was short videos and then it was 60 second videos and then it was

10 minute videos and then now suddenly they're like continuing to expand into like full-on youtube competitor and they're hosting podcasts is that what's happening it's i read it this morning and i thought it was kind of interesting and i was confused like you were at first because when i see the people who watch tiktoks what is the most polar opposite form of content they would ever do? And it's an hour plus long audio podcast. Yeah. Feel just like polar opposites. But I actually do think it looks kind of neat.

And I think in there is so at first I thought like, and it's something we do on waveform is we post short form content vertically on reels on shorts on tick tock, right? And sometimes they do pop off. But the reason shorts is the best for all of those is because immediately they can go to something in the same player to get to our actual podcast. And that's the video podcast. And this what they're doing is they're letting you link your rss feed into a podcast profile i guess i haven't figured this out they said they started to roll it out to some users but we haven't gotten it yet but essentially you can upload that podcast episode from the rss feed to link to any clips that you make into tiktok so if you watch a 60 second long clip or

whatever on tiktok of a podcast that seems interesting through that you can click to it and it'll link to that audio episode oh what i don't know about this yet is is it going to pop up and say um like listen to this in spotify apple podcast pocket casts or is tiktok gonna have some weird audio player that it'll play in just pulling from the rss feed uh that i don't know we don't know i would see either one happening i would like it to pull you to something else but i would assume they would want you on tiktok as long as possible yeah so i could see that's the assumption that's the it would make sense if they if they like kicked you out to just like whatever your phone's default uh podcast player. But also if you're TikTok,

you would rather not just kick people out to another app. So they're probably going to have some sort of embedded TikTok UI maybe for playing back audio files. Yeah, the person that wrote this up has a quote that says that it will allow users to listen to the audio of a video on the new podcast page while the app is in the background. Yeah, so you won't be leaving the tiktok yeah makes sense that makes kind of like an in-app player i guess that's gotta be i feel like but and then open a link in twitter it has like the built-in browser inside of twitter instead of

kicking you out to your browser but the problem with that is that you have to stay in that browser if you don't want it to cut out so that does seem kind of weird because if you're on tiktok and you're just scrolling through tiktoks and you see a clip and you like it and then you hit the button are you going to just like be in that player for an hour and a half i think you can i think what adam said is that player can be in the background and play just like spotify doesn't have to be separate from the tiktok app though i don't think it's separate from the tiktok i don't think you can scroll on tiktok anymore like yeah but if you were to turn it on you can then still go on any other app on your phone,

just like a regular media player. That is my guess. I can't picture someone being like, TikTok, scroll, TikTok, scroll, TikTok, scroll. Oh, new podcast clip. And then just leave the scroll. Most people are like in the scroll for a while and they weren't just about to leave.

They're like, I want to save this for later. I want to listen to this tomorrow. But just like leaving the feed immediately and listening to an hour audio episode seems insane i see like definitely the pro of this which is tiktok like wants you to be putting stuff like that up there and then this is a way that potentially you can link to it faster so for a creator it's better and if it does somehow leave you on that page playing for tiktok it still counts as like people staying in the app which i'm sure is great to boost numbers but also like like i said before

who on tiktok wants to go listen to an audio podcast when you're in like tiktok low attention span scrolling mode this is interesting it feels like it would be a better feature for google because they have the google podcast app they have youtube music and they have youtube yep and if you and then you have youtube shorts so if you see a podcast on youtube shorts maybe you want to go to that clip on youtube or maybe you want to go to the google podcast app is it um youtube music or it was one feature that allows you to watch the podcast and then switch between the audio and video version yeah it's so confusing that they have a podcast app and they also have youtube music which plays podcasts yeah that's so and they also have the clip feature where you can like

link someone to a clip of a video and it'll look like just a short video but you're actually watching part of a longer video that you can expand that stems from streaming because twitch has it it's called twitch because like if you're doing an eight-hour thing and you want to just show a really quick part of that, and then when YouTube started going harder into the streaming platform, they added that. Can you do that on regular videos? Yeah.

Oh, really? Yeah. So you can link any long video, like a section. So instead of just timestamp linking, you can just basically shorten it for them to just a clip. I've never put it together that it's the same player for live streaming and regular so you can clip regular videos do you still get a view for that does it screw your view duration or probably yeah typical google like have this fun new feature and watch a video algorithm get destroyed

wasn't that a premier stadia that you can jump into a game at any point in the game? It was a feature they wanted to bring, but they never actually did. They never did. They did that for podcasts. That was a, that stadia feature was really funny because it got announced and it was just like the erasing the fence feature. It never actually happened, but the whole time you're like, wouldn't it be cool if I was watching someone live stream a game and then they failed at a level and then I just

double click the game and I was in that level yeah it was that exactly at their safe state never never that was way too good to be true yeah that was such a cool idea that we'll never see i don't think yeah look what's funny this actually would make a lot of sense for spotify only because that's what i was thinking the way that they reason they recently like reorganize spotify to feel more like tiktok because you know how now on spotify they have like a discover thing where it plays the like most fun 10 seconds of a song to see if you want to listen to the song i remember that changing but now i'm realizing i don't know if mine ever fully changed mine updated temporarily and then went away.

Did like just enough stuff come out that people like hated it? Cause mine is definitely back to like the old goods. I think that it's like hidden in there. Like it shows up sometimes on your home feed now. Okay. But what they could do is they could have, if you have a video podcast, it could show you like a clip of the podcast.

And then if you tap on it, because the benefit of Spotifyify video is that you can like transition between audio and video all the time yeah so being able to do that through there makes sense because they already have a tiktok-esque feature um and surprisingly a ton of people use spotify for podcasts oh yeah i do they've been pushing it yeah they've been pushing it for a while i mean i don't i use it yeah do you use it for video podcasts too no all right so i have absolutely no no i i've started listening to some podcasts in spotify but i haven't actually pulled up a video podcast in spotify i guess there's still a lot of them on youtube quick question why don't you guys use it it's just my like what i listen to

all my music on so it just feels like the audio platform for me yeah it's been like forcing its way like one or two podcasts i listened to got removed because they bought it like spotify bought it and made it spotify exclusive so like okay now i have like two podcasts i'm subscribed to in spotify so i'll listen to those over there but everything else is in pocketcast and like organized and i have my system for it yeah so like it kind of bounced back and forth i guess yeah i don't for a few reasons like one i'd like my apps to be consolidated into the specific things they're for yeah and i've used pocketcast since like it was born in like 2010 it's like a really old app that is now amazing um and it auto downloads podcast all these things

and then also uh i have listened to a couple episodes through spotify whether because they were like spotify exclusive or someone sent me a link to like a show that i'm never gonna listen to again but only wanted to hear that episode yeah and spend it send it through spotify the problem is that once you listen to a podcast episode in spotify it starts recommending podcasts with the music it recommends you yeah so it shows popping up podcast recommendation and it's like i don't want that i listen to specific podcasts that i want i don't really do a discovery thing that often i do wonder and to slightly go back to tiktok here is like the reason i won't like say this is bad at all is any discoverability and podcast feels good because of how bad it that's

true the podcast world has no discoverability i think the every podcast should be on youtube just for the discoverability part even if you have no video it's hard to make a podcast discoverable because it's not a quick consumption thing and it's not like a it's not all in one place like an rss feed means you means we're all listening on different apps. There's so many other places you can have it. So they'll all have potentially their own discoverability. But I also agree with you on Spotify. When I get into a podcast listening mode,

then I'm mad that none of my music is showing up as the recent or recommended. Or then I'm listening to music and I listen to one podcast and then it's all podcasts again. And so that split would be nice. I like to have them segmented. That's why it's interesting podcasts again and so like that split would be nice i like to have them segmented that's why it's interesting to me that in other countries like china where you have wechat that has everything in it people are like okay with that there but i feel like in a lot of more western countries people like people like to have separate apps for everything which is like

i'm not sure that this x app thing yeah going to work. Yeah, that's the only reason it's not going to work. I don't know. Who knows? It could. I'm interested to see what kind of conversions this TikTok thing makes in the end. Well, if we get the offer, I mean, if we get the opportunity to try it, we'll try it because we make the clips anyways.

Then all we have to do is link each episode. But I'm very interested to see who's like, I want to watch 30 seconds of mind numbing, like video clips and then listen to a one hour tech podcast after audio only. I'm sure it's a non-zero number, but we'll find out exactly how low that number is eventually. Yeah. Sick.

All right. Well, we should take a quick break, but we also need to talk about this one plus foldable leak and some other things after the break. So before we get there, let's do some trivia. Trivia. some other things after the break so before we get there let's do some trivia trivia so we just spent the past 10 ish minutes talking about podcasts and rss feeds and all that fun stuff oh boy what does rss stand for i know it i don't i don. I'm glad I know it. Yes!

That's a point for me. I hope you're right. Yes. We'll be right back. Oh, we'll do the answers at the end like we usually do. Yeah. But I know the answer. We'll be right back.

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It's kind of popping. It's kind of hot foldable summer. No, I just like that. I like that a lot. Yeah. That's the summer of foldables. it's it's kind of popping it is but no i just like that i i like that a lot yeah that's the summer of foldables oh yeah that's 2020 i think we have the title for this episode yeah there's the episode summer it's like wawa's hoagie fest but it's fully fast whoa oh that's a title thanks that's a title to make a logo for that hold that title back pocket foldy fest foldy just keep that one yeah there's no seo on that one no yeah there's none um but we have a one plus foldable and a xiaomi foldable and xiaomi

at the end of the xiaomi you should explain why people are like why did he just say it like that at the end of the xiaomi ad yeah they just have this like chime you know everyone has a chime like samsung has like wait hold on yeah like it's the same chime every time like xiaomi has a chime but then after the chime it's just a generic voice saying xiaomi very powerful male narrator that just goes xiaomi yeah and it's every time. It's every time. Just so you know. That's why I said it like that. We should start ending MKBHD videos like that. Just do it. MKBHD.

It's like a weird like audio sample. DJ Xiaomi. What's up guys? MKBHD. Here. Where were we? Okay. They're making a foldable. Adam can play it. They're making a foldable. So the play it. They're making a foldable. So the Xiaomi one is just like a little bit of a,

I guess it's a teaser of like what it'll look like. It's the Mix 3. And I think the most interesting part about all of these is how each of these form factors is looking slightly different, like prioritizing different things. Yeah. Because at this point, we kind of have a whole new landscape of foldable devices. We have rumors about this OnePlus foldable

being more like passport shaped, but squared up. If it is, I will be so happy. Then we have, I'm going to pull out the Pixel Fold, which is like passport shaped, but more rounded on the sides. We also have the tall, skinny candy bar that unfolds like the Samsung Fold. So there's a bunch of yeah this is

becoming like we're realizing we need foldable tier lists soon honestly i feel like candy bar whack if i was working at samsung right now i'd be thinking really hard about uh adjusting the shape or making a new phone with a like a passport shape i agree because that seems to be i mean i just way prefer using that shape of a foldable. If there was any company to make like two foldables, not including the flip, but you know, two hot dog. Yeah. Samsung would do it. Easy. But the Xiaomi one,

their thing is like, it's going to be super thin. Yeah. And you open that phone and you're like, dang, each half of this is like way thinner than a normal phone, but you put it together and use it. And it feels like the thickness of one normal phone. The last foldable they made was like that. It was super thin. Yep, almost no crease on,

there's another one too, which a lot of them are doing way better with the crease, basically, and they flatten it out. So it's like the Xiaomi one has quad cameras on the back. It seems like it's gonna be an ultra high-end flagship. The OnePlus one, there's some leaked specs potentially. It's got flagship specs as well.

4800 mAh battery. Snapdragon 8 Gen 2. Strong rear cameras. Whatever that means. I love that. That was my favorite leaked spec. Strong rear cameras. Strong.

Nice. Does the leak have the Hasselblad logo? Yeah, it does. Yeah. So they still got to get their money's worth out of that. Yeah. Why add another camera when you can put a hassle blood logo there instead yeah the flash is literally in this render from on leaks is literally

off the camera bump so they can put a hassle blood logo where the flash probably can i ask you guys something yeah sure can i ask you guys the water it was the water brown do you use a flash ever on your phone when taking pictures? No, but I use the flashlight. Okay, that's different. So there is number one, do you use a flash for the camera? No. Number two, do you use a flashlight for anything?

Yes. The flashlight, yes. And then number three, do you think most other people actually do use the flash i think if when people use the flash for photos it's because they have auto flash on but they just leave it because they're morons well well also we're trying to say here the default now is to have everyone has a night mode now right and night mode with that kind of hdr generally like doesn't use the flash at all so you have it has to be a very intentional decision for you to turn flash on now. Let's hear from Ellis.

He said he does use the flash. I do use the flash. For what? I do not enjoy the look of photographs on my iPhone 12's long exposure night mode. Yeah. Just the look. Well, in a lot of situations yeah and i'm willing to trade off kind of spotty lighting but also in my home studio i have a big like rack like of gear

against a wall and it's really annoying to get behind it and so i very often have to take my phone and reach over it and take a picture of the back of the rack. I see that a lot. And the flash really comes in handy there. So in photos that you consider like taking to show other people or like because that's a photo you're just taking for the information at that point. Right. But like if you're going to post something on Instagram or Twitter, probably never flash. No, I did use a flash for that like a week ago. I'm trying to remember the exact situation.

I reported it. flash no i did use a flash for that like a week ago i'm trying to remember the exact situation i will say that um a lot of the younger generation right now that like 90s party flash camera look is becoming really popular again i was just i was gonna say the same thing like yeah people like the look of less polished maybe it's just because like disposable cameras had a moment and like that look had a moment but also i had a conversation i overheard a conversation recently that it's like sometimes you just hear a normally conversation and you're like ah that's the way people think about it yeah and you know how when you have most night mode if you're like in a dark enough situation you hit night mode you have to hold

it still for like three seconds i think they said something like oh yeah i just i'll turn the flash on because otherwise it takes too long. I'm like, yeah. That's exactly why people use the flash. Because it takes three seconds to not have a flash. I got to tell you a story. Okay. I was outside. This is when I was in the Pacific Northwest a couple weeks ago.

And I was outside by a lake in the evening. And there was this person who, like like also pulled up near us to do this like landscape thing but they went to take a photo like of the stars like oh wow the stars are so beautiful and they turn their flash on and hit the shutter button yeah so you could see the stars but no that's what they that's what they said they're like oh i gotta turn the flash on and i was like oh my sweet summer child i don't think that light is going to illuminate the stars i've used the flash for like food photography like if you're trying to get like a close picture of like a plate it can be an aesthetic yeah it can be an aesthetic for sure

choice but that's it i feel like every time i've taken a picture of food with the flash it turns it into like a lemony snicket get that nowhere near me if your plate is reflective enough you'll have an orb glowing back at you if you're in a dark room or a darker room like a restaurant and you have the flash on now all of a sudden your food is casting shadows on itself true yeah it's terrifying it's a vibe if you're in a darker room like a restaurant or my favorite is the people who don't realize the flash is on in a dark space and they take it you see them just like hide their camera immediately like i wasn't made okay sorry i have another story andrew oh my god see how long it takes them oh the light just is on now that was a focus flash oh it had to focus there's a focus flash and then the photo flash david just flashed

me for audio listening and it took it like three seconds. I'm not even in the photo. I've literally backed off from the flash at that point. That's right. Anyway, all this is to say, when I see the flash up in the corner of this OnePlus phone, I think personally, who cares? It's a flash. I'm not ever going to use it.

But I also remember that there was a brief age where like we went from single LED flash to dual LED flash and then dual tone for two different temperatures of LED flash so we could match the temperature of the flash to the color temperature of the room. And there was this whole, then there was a Moto phone with a ring light around the camera. Like there was like a three year period where we really seemed to care about flash for some reason. Well, the manufacturers did at least.

Yeah, they cared about flash. And I think it kind of like 3D TVs, we all just kind the manufacturers did at least. Yeah. They cared about flash. And I think it kind of like 3d TVs. We all just kind of went, nevermind. Yeah. It's fine. So I have a story. Okay. So this Apple find, and that I've been using from around the office also

has a flash on it and it's a foldable. Yeah. Which is how this conversation started. Can we get back to foldable? Oh yeah. Thanks. Yeah. Thank you.

Wait, I actually do have something. So like in these one plus renders, we were talking about it being squared off and that looks very squared off yeah but is the flash big enough have you ever i have a story about flashes okay the flash is off they put the hassle by logo where the flash should have been they should have called it hassle flash oh my god wait but in the memix 3 teaser continue they're definitely doing the like kind of bezeled edges to make it feel thinner right yeah yeah yeah the thing is it's bezeled on both sides would it be weird to have it only bezel on the outside portions of it and then flat on the middle so then when it's folded like you're holding a normal phone it's only like the exterior is

bezeled and you don't feel the i agree with you bevel it bevel it on the outsides because the bevels are the inside i've i've held that before what phone was like that that was like beveled on the inside and outside and it just felt weird right because you feel that there's a split in the middle and when you're holding it like that it's just weird to have it curved on both sides but i get it because like the old one pluses were beveled on the outsides and the phones felt so thin despite not actually being that much thinner. So if you have a thicker phone, make it feel thinner, but then also don't make it feel like a huge crack down the middle. Something they changed from the Oppo Find N1 to the Find N2 was that the Find N1 was rounded and beveled on both sides. And then the Find N2, they flattened the sides.

And the Find N2 feels a lot better, in my opinion. There's a Xiaomi that I'm forgetting the name of that had the right side thicker than the left side. Do you remember this? They made a foldable where one... Oh, no, no, no. The foldable? It was the outside fold, I think. It was a normal fold.

But yeah, it was a wedge shape. So the entire thing open was a wedge shape. And when you folded it shut, it was a rectangle. And because you had more weight in the right hand, it would feel like the center of gravity was more in your hand. Oh, yeah. Because now when you hold a foldable wide open, it's like, it's kind of big. I remember what you're talking about now.

Yeah. Wasn't the Huawei the first Huawei? Yeah, I think it was a Huawei. Yeah, it was the Mate X. It was the first Mate X. It was a Huawei phone. Because it had that like hand grip on the right side. Whatever to that idea no no that's kind of cool that was the one that folded outside and that's because it had the cameras on it and it had to fold like

yes the cameras yeah so i guess technically that weight was weighted differently but it wasn't wadded there was like a wedge so if you look up mate x2, see this? Yeah. It looks so weird. It looks like you sharpened a stick at the campfire. But it did have a really interesting good feel in the hand. So there's a whole bunch of new folding ideas happening. They're kind of floating out there. We're trying to figure out what works in folding phones, what people actually buy.

The thing is they're all still so expensive. It's not like we're getting like a $700 folding phone, unless maybe the Razr comes out and it's $700 because the razor plus is still a thousand oh right there's the cheaper one coming out yeah but as of as of right now it's still in early adopter phase but we have just way more options to early adopt it's hot foldable summer my guys yeah i've got to vote with our wallets can i end this on a question sure do you think we'll have a foldable category in the smartphone awards this year? I think we should if there's ever a year

to do it we're I mean obviously every year is going to have more and more but this feels like legitimately a dozen choices yeah

I am willing to commit to that okay wow on this podcast just like every year we've gotten closer and closer and I think this past year

the best compact phone category I had a moment where I was like I think I have to pick a non-folding phone because when I open the folding phone it's not as compact

as the Zen phone but it is technically more compact and these folding phones kind of deserve their own recognition and I feel like this year there's just so many ideas

worthy of being recognized that we should have a for the first time of deserve their own recognition and i feel like this year there's just so many ideas yeah worthy of being recognized that we should have a for the first time a new category in the smartphone awards probably since its inception i think we've only added one category ever so yeah folding phone is getting an award that's another trophy it's another truth it's coming out of somebody's paycheck and i did not suggest this it's a 200 trophy no yeah i think we should do that and i'm not gonna give any teasers but i've been daily driving you guys already know i've been daily driving the pixel fold for a while it's my favorite foldable to come out this year but there's still more coming you heard it the winner already maybe maybe maybe the one plus will be

good when you guys see the video you can comment i knew about this because i watched the podcast six months ago in december you'll be like i found out in august what it's rigged i watched the podcast if you comment that in december that and also comment microfiber then i'll pin it i'll pin it we'll pin it i'll at least heart it all right that's it um we're gonna go to an ad break next up, we have a fun game that Adam kind of created last night. I don't think you really know about it. David kind of knows about it. I kind of know about it. Sort of.

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I love you guys so much so in this game what you're going to do is pick a number out of the hat which was andrew's idea this morning great idea just threw a variable in there yeah i i wrote down a bunch of prices is there an x in there or a y oh i should have i wrote down a bunch of prices put it in the hat on a piece of paper you have to pick the piece of paper and you will get a budget so let's say i don't know fifteen thousand dollars okay that would be great because none of those are i would also i would love 15 but so what you have to do is pick three devices three three devices you can't go over that budget that you would use for the rest of the year in your everyday life and they're they're your only tech pieces only tech pieces yeah so like your phone your laptop headphones like

anything that's tech wow that's rough and we were the only stuff you can use right like we're trying to figure this out like you can't say like oh work has this nice laptop i can just take home for this weekend it's like your personal use tech stuff do we have the same jobs in this hypothetical we're all like i literally can't do a lot of my job with that budget well no so we were saying like work has computers that we use for work but like when you leave and you have your computer personal personal personal stuff okay let me go hug yeah you can still have your red camera at the office okay but if you're shooting a family video with it you have to use whatever you got and it has to stay under the budget and you have to pick three you can't be like i'm only picking one and screw the other two like you

have to go watch this tesla's ai robot cost and is it msrp uh yes great i disagree i think we should be able to do used stuff if you can find it and prove it right now during this okay okay i'll i'll agree if you can look it up and it's used for a certain price right now i'll accept that yeah i think you have to find it live though if you'd be cool with using it then that's yeah i love you stuff do you think this is easiest if we all pick and all start looking thinking at the same time, and then we all just one by one go through? Or do you think one person should do all three?

One person should go at a time. At a time? Top of the dome. Top of the dome. I do like top of the dome. Okay. That's what I was going to say. Sounds like you're going first then.

Sounds like I'm going first. All right. I'm picking out of the hat. I hope you get tree-fitty. The number. All right. I have a piece of paper in my hands. I'm opening it.

The number I have, $1,500 US. Wow, that's really good timing. Three quarters of a fold. I guess I'm not using the Pixel Fold. You can't buy a Pixel Fold with that. Okay, so I'm gonna start i think my daily tech is gonna be a phone a computer and headphones yeah i think i don't really think i need a camera if i've did enough phone okay i think i'm gonna go shoot zen phone 10 i could go zen phone 9

actually let me look up zen phone so marquez what did you find with the Zenfone 9? I'm good. You're all ready? Yeah, I'm good. So Zenfone 9, new. $600. Okay. So you've got $900 left. Yes. Headphones. ATH-M50s. Wired. Plugs right into the Zenfone.

Oh! That's pretty balling. Of course you could be this smart. Those are about $, about 130. And then I'm trying to figure out if I want to do laptop or iPad. I'm genuinely torn because an iPad, I think, puts me, I can't do the Pro because that's over budget. I'm at 730 right now.

You say Zenfone 10, right? You might be able to do an M1 Pro. He wants to go back for 9. Oh, I could probably get an M1 iPad Pro. Let's see. The one i'm actually using in real life m1 ipad pro so you're okay with no wireless charging yeah that's fine um because i have to buy a wireless charger you know that's expensive good point if you spend 100

more you could get a zenfone 10 100 more that's huge the zenfone 9 is amazing yeah and it's basically the same that's true just I could live without wireless charging. Yeah, and let me get an M1 iPad Pro 12.9 inch for $850. Whoa. That puts me right at the up. Is that used or is that just like. That's refurbished on Amazon. You have.

$150. That's a great price for that. No keyboard though. Wait, $150? That's fine. That's fine. You're fine. That's expensive.

Your personal. Wait, wait, wait. Marques, you're $80 over budget. Ooh. You fine. $850. You're fine. That's expensive. Your personal... Wait, wait, wait. Marques, you're $80 over budget. Ooh, really? You're at $1580. Okay, I'm going to go to $128 then. You're buying an iPad instead of a laptop? Yes.

I think no keyboard makes that much tougher, I feel like. Well, at home, I'm not like doing... I'm like watching videos and like emailing and I'm not going too crazy. Yeah. If I get it for $800, does that put me under budget? I think I'm 30 over. You're 30 over, but I'll let it slide out. No, no, no, no, no, no.

No sliding. If you guys could get closer to the actual number. While he's figuring that out, can I ask a question? Go for it. Does it have to just be at least three or only three? No, I would say only three. Only three. It has to be three. But what if I need more than three things like at least three or only three? No, I would say only three. Only three? Yeah, it has to be three.

But what if I need more than three things? No accessories. So no pencil? No pencil. Wait, no... I don't need the pencil. We don't get accessories? No.

No. If it comes with the phone you're buying, sure. Or the computer you're buying or whatever. When I pose my question... You might get a really big budget anyway. All right, I'm going to switch to the 11 inch the 11 inch ipad pro in order to get on budget uh which means i can get a wi-fi plus cellular 128 gig for 670 but how much is that plan refurbed oh he just doesn't use it there's my 6ished? So instead of a laptop?

Yep. At home. And you'd be willing to use Final Cut on that for the rest of... I'm not on Final Cut at home. So you're at $1,400. That's right under budget. Yeah.

I feel good about that. At home, Zen phone, nice headphones, plug them into the Zen phone and if I ever want to watch a YouTube video or like email some people or like do some casual work...

How do you listen to music on the iPad? Yeah, or watch a movie. Or listen to audio on the iPad? I just play it out. Just on the subway, full speakers on the plane, full speakers. I'm going Zenfone, yeah. I'll watch a movie

or I'll... That's a big difference. Yeah, I'll put a movie on the Zenfone. Alright. It's fine. You have $100. You could go for the Bluetooth ATH M50s as well. How much? Exactly $100? You have exactly $100 to meet the budget I'll get a

I'll get a pair of well you can only get three things oh nevermind so I'm good okay I'm good 1500

we're going versatile here yeah yeah yeah I'm good with that alright do you wanna go next you go next can I

can I change the music to something a little more dramatic sure is this AI generated music no no no oh bummer should I use AI generated music

yeah type in podcast game based on budgeting tech generated music? No, no, no. Bummer. Should I use AI generated music? Yeah. Type in podcast game based on budgeting tech. I'll do that for the next one. It takes a little bit, so this is just AI generated music that I made

yesterday. Did you make it or did AI make it? AI made it. Depends how you look at it. I hate this. Oh, no. I knew I would get this. I got $500. I think our average view duration just plummeted.

This is going to be rough. $500. $500? All right. Listen, that is obviously a lot of money but the main thing i wanted to talk about was a gaming pc and i think that's just gone out the window looks like it's pub g mobile for me but um yeah okay 500 you have to buy three things i have to buy three things okay holy crap i'm just the first thing i'm gonna look for is like a samsung s20 or 21 okay actually yeah s21 ultra is ultra not even ultra i think i'm just gonna go regular you can get for 350

this is gonna take me a little longer than i thought i was really hoping i would get the uh what were you a bigger one i want to buy a gaming pc but that's definitely not happening go through again check timu check oh my god just throw 500 away pretty much light it on fire that's not an endorsement don't buy it's not an endorsement okay no okay look you can get a used a brand new pixel 4a for 160 dollars what about uh is there like a pixel 5a for cheap the 4 4a is so good. It is really. It's like one of my favorite phones. Oh, wait, no. Pixel 5a. Yeah, 4a. 4a rocks.

Brand new for $160. On what? On eBay. On eBay. Okay. No, I like that. Trust that. Pixel 4a.

Bro, he's got 199 reviews. Five stars. Like you can buy it now. A++++. Pixel 4a for $115. 128 gig. Pixel 4a, 128 gig. $115. Okay, cool. All right, sorry. My calculations are bad, so I'm going to do this. five stars like you buy a plus pixel for 115 128 pixel for 128 okay cool all right sorry my calculations are bad so i'm gonna do this what is that over refurbished 115 okay so i guess what i

need to figure out what i do want here so i want a pair of headphones i'd really like wire bluetooth ones with some sort of noise canceling for when I mow the lawn. Wow. My lawnmower costs way much than my whole budget here. I thought your lawnmower was supposed to be silent because it's electric. Can't use that anymore. True. Gotta use scissors. Man, I really want the LinkBuds S.

This is on Amazon, LinkBuds S for $148. That sounds legit. So you're at? $200 minus $262, $238. What do I want though? There's nothing i'm buying that's gaming so you have a pixel what what is the switch i have a pixel for a 99 i think switch light 199 so then i think i can just get the non you're gonna switch i think so i want to play some sort of game the problem is is the link buds s all of it is 199 except for the uh one random amazon seller which kind of feels like

a scam that it's 26 off is it oh is it just because they're white on oh yeah there's the white okay i'm just taking that the white's cheaper there's a 150 pair of link buds s sony or a pixel 4a a pixel 4 128 gig for 115 and a switch light pixel 4a 128 gig link buds s and a switch light very nice well you're closer to the budget than marquez was yeah but percentage percentage wise that's how you're pretty good how much are Switchlights? $1.99 that's a gaming prioritized setup yeah I was hoping to get the $10,000 budget I don't know if there is let's see what you get

wait let's use more AI generated music wait what is this one? this prompt is music that would play as a stinger during a Price is Right-style game show should build suspense. Super suspenseful when he already has it in his hand.

I don't know about this one. I don't know about this one. All right. I got $2,000. Nice. $2,000. Yeah. This is a big baller budget over here.

All right, let's see. What are your three things? Are you going to prioritize a certain thing or just go like computer? Yeah, okay. You should go smartwatch, pencil, and gaming PC. Just kidding. Smartwatch, pencil.

You should just go, yeah, the Fold 5 pencil and gaming pc just kidding pencil you just get yeah the fold five and then have a hundred dollars left and you use decks actually yeah reasonable you need a monitor for it though i guess yeah i think that so in my backpack i always carry a laptop with me because I always randomly need it for photo editing or writing or whatever. So I need to get a laptop. Okay. And the cool thing about the M1 series, like MacBook Airs and stuff, is that they're so powerful for being so thin. They're still a little bit expensive. M2 MacBook Air, is that what you're thinking? M1 13-inch MacBook Air, $999.

No, yeah, M1. M1, the old design. But the new one is so much better. The new design, the better one. $1,099. $1,100, $1,200? $1,099 for the M2? That's barely over half your budget.

I mean, that's the most important gadget. That's easily the most important by a long shot. To me, I think that my laptop is more important than my phone so i'm going to how much is it 10.99 yeah for wait how much storage um yeah 256 sorry oh man eight core cpu gpu eight you want to do a memory upgrade for all of the rest of your seriously look at this look how much more it is it's 300 for double the storage that's crazy yeah how many that's the question how many years am i living with this setup only the rest of the we said rest of the year okay which i guess august is could do 128 gigs you

should imagine you're living with this for a year yeah for the m1 chip with more storage how is how much is that let's see so the m1 chip starts at 9.99 if you want to go to 512 it is 11.99 i'm gonna do m2 because the experience overall is better and i can live with the 256 gigs of storage i don't know how i can live with the 256 gigs of storage because like when you're not paying for cloud. I already have some hard drives, so I can do that, right? Yeah, you can. That's tech. How am I supposed to make videos?

Yeah, that's the challenge. What did you do for your last song? Well, do you count as work? I had an 11-inch iPad Air. He's counting videos as work, so are you doing videos as personal? At home, I'm going to... I think we can count your channel as work. We can?

Yeah, this is just leisure. Okay. We'll say work. I think we can count your channel as work we can yeah this is just leisure okay we'll be we'll say we'll okay i think we'll say we're okay cool cool okay m2 macbook air 256 storage so that's 1099 1099 okay so i have 900 left all right 901 901 oh thanks thanks math genius over here um okay i want headphones and a phone which i know is boring 900 bucks what's it gonna be i feel like you could get a zenfone 10 750 no it's not that much 700 bucks it's 700 yeah 699 699 right yeah so i have 301 dollars left yep for headphones not quite enough for the like flagship headphones unless you get them used. You can get some nice-ass headphones for $300. I could ball out for $300. Then you have $202 left.

Wait, really? Yeah. It was $1099 for the MacBook Air. And $699 for the Zenfone. Plus $700. Oh, you're right. I have $202. I can still get nice headphones for $202. Are you an earbuds person or an over-ear headphones person? Earbuds. You can get the LinkBuds S. Yeah. Just saying. I know you liked them also. get nice headphones for 202 are you an earbuds person or over your headphones for earbuds you

can get the link buds s yeah just saying i know you liked them also or how much are the bows i was literally just about to ask that because i use those every day i think they're 300 though i thought there were 250 would you ever buy used earbuds no i think i would buy used headphones i don't think i would buy used earbuds especially if they're leather cups on the headphones. You wipe that off a lot easier. Or buy new cuffs. Yeah. They were on sale the other day.

They're $250. And that's on sale. That means I could get the Zenfone 9 in these, which I would... I really like wireless headphones. Zenfone 9 was only $50 less than Zenfone 10. You could also get an iPhone SE, right? But that would be exactly the price.

Oh, really? Yeah, because I'm only $47 over budget. Oh, okay. Sorry about wireless charging, but I think that's kind of weird. Wait, I could get a Pixel 7. It's $599, right? Yeah, I could get a Pixel 7.

This is $549 on the Google Store. Oh, okay. Sweet. this is 549 on the google store okay sweet so macbook air m2 uh pix bows qc earbuds too wait pixel 7 right now for me is saying 449 oh even better even better i mean google let's just do that store so 1090 that's 1100 plus 449 is 1550 oh yeah so that means that gives me 450 for headphones what can i ball the hell out with told you or you could just get the 256 gig version of the pixel 7 for 549 i guess or you could get 400 headphones wait does that give me the money to get the extra storage on the MacBook Air? Yes. Oh, $200, right?

It was $300. It was $200, I think. It was $300 for the MacBook Air. Yeah. So how much would that make it? Sorry. $100 left for headphones. No way.

Really? $100. Okay, I'm getting the minimum storage. So I'm just going to go under budget. I'm doing Pixel 7, M2 MacBook Air, and Bose QC earbuds too. Okay. Solid lineup. Although, I don't know if I should run with these,

because the sweat would probably be bad for them. Just don't run with those headphones. It's easy. Yeah, that's true. You've got to think about what you're going to do with them. Headphones I could run with more. For that price? Yeah.

I mean, there's a lot ofaybirds that sound good for that price there's a lot of i'll just run with them because they probably won't die by the end of the year sure all right all right cool does out do so how much how much under budget am i adam you have 202 dollars remaining wow nicely falling on a budget yeah you're closer to my number than your own dang all right should we go one more time around? Or do you want to give them to these two? Do you two want to play this game?

I know it. So if Ellis wants to do it. What do you mean you know it? I did the numbers. So? So? It doesn't matter. Pick one.

You think you're better than us? I know. I want them to do it. I have better than you. I know. I'm interested in Ellis' choices here. Yeah. Ellis is like a Handycam from 1967.

Kid Picks. Nintendo 3DS. Don't say that. The game or software. So Ellis can confirm $20,000. Damn! Ultra baller budget.

I'll take a private jet. $20,000. The HD 880s. this is like hard to spend 20 grand yeah you have to no it's not okay no it's yeah but the problem is things are either extremely expensive or not 20 000 yeah half an intel macro no no do it in just like thinking out loud like fully specced out laptop that's six and a half right there okay right fully specced out 12 inch ipad pro that's another like 17 18 right there if not sure another 2000 okay now you're still got 12 000 left what are you buying for

12 grand then get a mac pro 2 no you well if you have headphones you have to have three yeah because if you get the mac pro you don't have a mouse and keyboard monitor and all that does not come with them the mac pro comes with the mouse you're right it does come with those things it doesn't come with the monitor i could go mac pro pro display xdr and like a pretty nice phone all right no headphones nah for the rest of the year the mac pro speakers only built-in protos the protos light doesn't even have speakers but it doesn't it has

$6,000 tower $6,000 monitor all audio playing from under your desk foot level audio really terrible mix that would be rough but you could spend it all right i'm getting these same headphones m50x or what is that or you have twenty thousand dollars yeah sony mdr 7506 is how much of this is like 100 bucks 150 bucks doesn't even matter i got 20 g's i'm getting airpods pro bugatti scooter and a maxed out iphone pro that's so under budget airpods pro hold on airpods pro is 550 550 and maxed out iphone 14 pro max and you're just pocketing $14,000 no that's not part of the game no you have to spend it you barely spend you have to spend what do i even if i pimp out another computer for $6,500.

Get the DJI Mavic 3. Why would he do that? For the rest of the year. Get the Inspire. Spend $6,000 on a Mavic. Okay, what's the most expensive drone? The DJI drone. Inspire 2.

What is that at? Let me give you a good price. Inspire 2. Instead of a phone phone you can just fly messages to people I'm thinking phone drone headphones the advanced kit that shoots in the D&G is

$9,400 yeah give me one of those so I'm halfway there not the Inspire 2 oh the kit the fully advanced kit plus iPhone plus headphones 10 000 that's still like 1200 yeah but like what is it what is going to get me closer 10 000 that's what i'm

saying the thing is i want i want headphones and i want a phone so then what is that third thing 20 000 that's going to go through like model 3 why don't you just what are the sennheiser what are those sennheiser ones headphones yeah yeah but those are crazy hd so those are two true but that's also why i got the airpods by the diamond iphone yeah the caviar iphone there we go how much was that 60 000 oh wait nevermind you can't by last year's caveat having more money is kind of hard that's not telling you

no I could have got a sick gaming computer for that yeah I could get a MacBook though they can game now yeah but it's only like 6500

okay pick out a MacBook only not if it's Alienware then it's like three times the price um yeah

I don't even know what's a maxed out iPhone? Like the terabyte version Pro? $1,800. Oh my God. That gives me still 12 Gs. 14 Pro Max is $1,800 maxed out. Why don't you think about one thing that's crazy expensive while Ellis goes on his budget.

And then you got to find that real flex. Bro, isn't there like a Louis Vuitton smartwatch that's like $12,000? Terabyte iPhone Pro. I would never. Is there a gold Apple Watch Ultra? Terabyte iPhone Pro Max is $1,600. What did you get, Ellis? I got $4,000.

Why did you guys get all the high amounts and we didn't really get that much? I was kind of hoping to get something really low. That's a good number. And make it work. $4,000 is good because you can get a pretty good laptop and you can get a foldable if you wanted that's the crazy thing headphones don't get that expensive

until you just go into the ultra elite that come with it's own plug into the wall the French ones your lights dim when you start listening to music and it gives you a massage at the same time let me look

up some prices here i got a lot of wiggle room you know four grand yeah but you can only do three things no i know that definitely is don't wiggle wiggle it falls my phone don't wiggle wiggle 20 grand i'm gonna get a a tycan with a hundred thousand miles on it? For 20 grand? No way. The fully specced 12-inch iPad Pro. That's $2,200. I really don't want a phone. What if an iPad had a phone? How would you get around? Dollar iPad doesn't have cellular.

I assume that would be part of the accessories. But we're all getting phones and not counting the plan. Then it is cellular. It's like insane how important maps are. That means it's $2,400. Okay. I think I would also get an original Sony a7, because I can get that for around $1,000.

With a lens? Yeah, with a lens. You could get it for cheaper. You could probably get it for cheaper. I can? Probably. Could I get it at Fujifilm X100v no around a thousand two thousand yeah i think it matters what price you have two thousand is how much the action oh no that's fine i'll do that

because you're already over there no not that it's four thousand yeah i'm at four thousand so 20 it was 24 plus two is 44 oh no it is that's way over all right now i'll do the sony just because it's in front of me so then i have a camera the a7 ii is 450 by it now but you'd have to have a lens though yeah and i would assume the lens would be way more expensive so yeah this is a 28 to 70 fine and then i have 400 600 left wait how much is the 28 to 70 i have it listed here bnh used for a thousand it's a lot of money well it comes with a camera oh it's in a box never mind the lens comes with it and then with my last kind of how it is with my last six hundred dollars i think i'd buy my exact phone i thought you were gonna

get rid of it soon well i can't get rid of it before september that's true um so for now we're bonded but till the end of the year you have to use this tech so the phone else is holding is the oh yeah sorry this is an iphone 12 mini in the mini beautiful purple purple finish buy it it is at 80 battery health i have to charge it like four times a day my also 64 gigabytes of memory oh just in the slums with this phone and i love it my guy okay i got my answer the leica q3 oh yeah and there we go those are my three how much is the leica six six grand i get an x2d it's 10 grand though no lenses no lenses christ on a cross yeah i don't know man nope nope anyway well we should get to the end which is the trivia answers and then wrap it up

so let's do that all right trivia answers so score, Marquez with two, Andrew with one, David with five. Let's go. Question number one. What does RSS stand for? As you can see, I'm not writing anything down, which is because I wrote the answer down earlier, and I wanted you guys to know that I really did know the answer. I literally have no idea.

Service, maybe. Alright, flip them and read. What do you got? I wrote watch podcasts on YouTube. But also, yes. I wrote really slow service. You got the first word right. Really? I wrote really simple syndication.

Correct. Why would you ever make the S mean syndication? It's just like the way RSS works is you're just plugging into a syndicated feed that anything can look at not a lot of people whatever syndicated means though at the time this was created though it was pretty common early days i'm looking up google trends i got one syndicate all right question number two you don't seem seem excited. I'm not. I'm competitive, dude. All right.

So what is the most expensive part of the iPhone 14 Pro Max? A, its display. B, its processor. C, its cellular components. Or D, its camera system. Also to everyone watching on YouTube, I don't know why the lights weren't working for that last round.

They worked fine. To audio listeners, they were perfect. Yeah, for audio listeners, you just watched a flawless photovoltaic performance. You imagined it perfectly. For video listeners, you know the truth. Video listeners? For those listening with your eyeballs technically you can do that now yeah okay uh i wrote a display that's correct i hate this i also wrote the display that's correct I wrote the mobile network thing modem

I'm sorry fun fact though both the display and the processor are almost exactly the same price so I would have accepted both answers did you have to say that? Andrew had a 50% chance of getting it right I was going purely based off of repair prices

but i don't know what the repair price is for the chip because i don't think you can do that i i was hoping david could help me understand this more so when i was looking at all the like data analysis things for iphone cost of parts They list the processor and the cellular components as separate components. Yeah. But for Samsung phones, they list them as the same component. Like it's cellular and processor.

I think it's because they get both of those chips from Qualcomm. So it's like one package deal. So Apple makes their own processors, right? But they still use qualcomm modems yeah so they have to buy the modems from qualcomm but samsung makes their own modems uh well they used to when they had the qualcomm processors but now they also buy from qualcomm but qualcomm processors have the modem built into the processor yeah like a

snapdragon whatever has it built in what a great fun fact yeah great place to end it you always like to learn something when you listen to slash watch the waveform podcast I feel like that was even though it was chaotic at the end it was successful because we all learned something today I've learned nothing something today

we'll be back next week I'm sure there'll be plenty of news and plenty of new videos to watch and to react to and to talk about. So until then, catch you guys in the next one. Waveformer is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Roven. We're partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network and our intro

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