Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Our Favorite Apps of All Time!

Episode Date: April 3, 2026

Apple killed the Mac Pro, Claude Code leaked, and Google is letting you finally change your old e-mail address from high school. It was a big week! Marques, Andrew, and David talk about it all and even find time to share their top 5 apps of all time (along with some honorable mentions). Then we wrap it all up with some trivia. Enjoy! Links: ⁠New stickers! ⁠ 9to5Mac - Death of the Mac Pro Axios - Claude Code leak Android Headlines - Google Pixel 11 Leaks Episode with Dr. Mike This episode brought to you by: Hostinger: https://www.hostinger.com/waveform (code: waveform) Framer: https://www.framer.com/wave Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/waveform Socials: Waveform Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Waveform Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en Waveform TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Hosts: Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Intro/Outro music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Pace. Did you guys hear that the Super Mario Galaxy movie is bad? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because it's preying on your nostalgia. It's not good. The first one was good. Yeah, yeah.

Are you excited for backyard baseball? Of course. B.YB. Is it out yet? We weren't recording. April. Fools. Got them.

My stomach actually dropped because I was like, I have a flight. Don't do this to me. Yeah, what is up? People of the Internet. Welcome back to another episode of the Wayform podcast. We're your host. I'm Marquez.

I'm Andrew. And I'm David. And it's April. Fools. We finally got to April. I never have to hear Tarch again. That's maybe not true. I hope it is.

We'll see in about 12 months. But as of the day of recording, it's actually April Fool's Day. So happy April Fool's Day to those to celebrate. We actually dropped videos today that I thought were really fun. You can go back and watch them and they still have actually some value. outside of April Fool's Day.

I'll put it that way. But in today's episode, we have a eulogy for a deceased product. We have Google allowing you to change your username on Gmail, which is interesting. Some smart glasses from another new company. A pixel 9, I mean 10, I mean 11, leak. That's a weird way to say pixel 8. I mean, seven. Really brand new stuff.

And we're also going to name our top five apps of all time. I have my Mount Rushmore and then some honorable mentions. I've got to pick one for my honorable mentions to graduate to a top five. I will do that mentally at some point during this podcast. Yeah, right now I only have four. I'm just going to let the fifth one come to me. That's a good idea. I like that.

Organic. Or a lap. If we're going to overlap. That's fine. We don't have to agree on our top five, but we all have to, we're bringing it to the table. All right. Probably for the comments to debate how wrong we are, or who has the hottest takes or the coldest takes. Anyway, does anybody have a, did they even test this for this week?

Oh, boy, do I. Oh, do. So, recently, I have been trying to get into my page. PayPal account because I haven't used it in so long that the last time I used it, I had a different phone number. So I go to log in. It's over. Yeah, it's a wrap. And they're like, hey, we just sent you a code, a six-digit code. And I'm like, to what? Like, I don't have that number anymore. So fast forward three days and multiple customer service reps later, they were finally able to get me to reset my password with my email after. But it makes no sense because the whole

time I call, they have you like first with the little AI robot thing, verify who you are, not only with the phone number, but with your last four, the social. So I should be able to just change my phone number right from there with the AI, like just let me do it. They know it's me, but they refuse to do it to the point that they had to do like a crazy reset on their side so that I couldn't log in for 24 hours or attempt to log in or they would think it was a security thing. And then after 24 hours I had to call back, get someone else on the phone, and then they could be like, oh yeah, now we can do like a hard reset on your password.

I say all this to say. Phone number two factor is stupid. There are apps for this. We've solved this problem. Stop being lazy. PayPal's one of the biggest companies, and they're still using phone number two factor. And it was just so frustrating, so annoying. Adam famously made a video on Android Authority.

Don't trigger me, David. A long time ago called that we should get rid of phone numbers. and people are very angry. People made great points as to why we should. You should not have gotten rid of your phone number and none of this would have ever happened. That's fair. Well, if you just use pass keys, this would not be a problem.

Use Authenticator app. PSA. PSA. Then you'll never have to test that processing your life. All righty. Okay, so this week we made two different shorts so far, and I say so far because it might keep going, but the idea was kind of fun

was to take the same photo on every single iPhone generation that's everyone made, one through 17. Just shout out Jono real quick. This was his side. He was basically like, we've done these every Apple phone, every Google phone. The short version of the shorts version of this is take a photo with everyone and just let's see how it goes. That's really cool like in ascending order. Yeah, because they talk, you know, these companies talk about the smartphone's camera so much that you'd assume there'd be like a huge difference year to year of a lot of these things.

You take all these, and by the way, it's like kind of a hilarious process of taking 17 straight photos with all these different phones. We have to fire them all up, get them all set up, make sure they're all in their default settings, sit still for 15 minutes while we get every single one perfectly lined up, take all 17 photos. But then like throwing them all in the timeline and seeing them back to back, in broad daylight, you might have watched that first short. Not a lot of difference, especially year to year with a lot of these iPhones. Didn't shock me because in broad daylight, that's like the perfect best case scenario. I think it starts to break down around like the iPhone 4S. But when you watch the low light one, that is much more,

that exposed a lot more of the differences between these sensor sizes. You know, they have the years that they switch from, you have 4 megapixels to 8 megapixels to 12, and there's 12 for a while, and they bump it up again. You can see those differences.

You can also see the first iPhone that gets night mode, which is the 11. So there's way more interesting information in that second one of low light. I think we'll do more because we're, It's fun to, I'm not even narrating them. I might later make a long form, like, what we learned video about all this stuff, but maybe we'll do, like, all the Google phones,

because we know there's, like, a moment where the pixel gets really good camera. Maybe we'll do a Samsung phones one, because we've reviewed every Samsung phone. We can keep you on with this stuff. And maybe if comments, if you have good comments, let us know what you want to see. I think a good close-up photo would be interesting, because close-up photos got good in the last 10 years, but they were always really bad before. So that can be fun too.

I'll say two things about it. One is while the actual end photo, a lot of them might look different, the like UI and interface and taking the photos was, I took all the photos in the first one, it gets real slow, real fast. Like taking the pictures are just such a nicer experience in the newer ones. And I think the way after posting this, I realized this short went really viral is how many people just straight up stole all of the content in it and posted it all over social media. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I posted a video because people like to take like a frame or two out of it and then post them

as their own post, basically. It's really annoying that we do this thing of like this goes from 17 and you get to watch all the way down to one. And then someone goes, I'm just going to clip out the two final things and post it with no credit on Twitter and get five million views. It's infuriating. That does happen. It happened all over.

I mean, Instagram, everything. Even posting at MKBHD feels really crap because maybe it goes to you, but I don't know. At least tag me. Monetizing all of these different social media platforms to just allow stolen content like that

has destroyed social media. Yeah, monetization over engagement is probably the worst thing that's happened to social media. For sure. I think you should still be able to get your precious engagement and tag the source.

You can still do that. Some of them aren't. Straight up aren't even doing that. Please do this. But that's also like a, just comparing the final two so you don't even go watch the, like, why would you watch the content? That's a spoiler. That's like taking every one of our reviews and just posting the last frame with the final

sentence across it and spamming all of Twitter, which now I might have given someone that. At Groin. You summarize this video for me, please. People love taking the title and thumbnail of a review and then just commenting about it as if that's the review because it's the packaging of the video, but there's way more nuance to the video. Right. Anyway, that happens a lot.

I was going to say something else about this. Oh, since this was every iPhone, we had to get all the photos from the iPhones to my computer to edit it. The first one. You know, the latest iPhones are easy. You just open up AirDrop and AirDrop it to the Mac. I was surprised at how far, David, how old of an iPhone do you think I was able to air drop the photo to myself?

For us. That's exactly right. Yeah. That is the newest, the oldest iPhone that I was able to air drop to myself. after that we had to Fun fact on this So I did the final Four or five of them

I was like looking online How do I get these out? Because it used to be iTunes right? It was basically everything With a 30 pin connector I had to do And I'm searching on Reddit And people are like

Oh use what's it called Image Capture on on Mac? On Mac. It could see all of the files But it wouldn't open them or import them And then I'm just like You know what? Windows file management is so much better than Apple

all I had to do is plug it in and I could just go into it like a hard drive and pull it as a drive. So it was just easier to pull it out on a Windows computer than it was on the company that makes it. So top to bottom integration, my butt, if you have an older thing. They figured it out somewhere around

the 4S or a 5, yeah. I think Apple has always been forward, like they've been not wanting people to have to even think about folder structures and that's why like the iPad didn't even get folders until like way, way, way too late. So everyone wants them, obviously, but the whole What's a Computer campaign, like, the kids don't care about the whole bunch. It's genuinely crazy how many young people don't know, like, the file structure of computers.

Yeah. Yeah, I learned that recently. That seems like a pretty fundamental thing. Obviously, our parents grew up with other... Yeah, our parents grew up with other fundamentals that we think is ridiculous. It turns out young people are growing up not caring about file structures. Yeah. I saw a meme that was like, if you're Gen Z, the tech literacy bar is whether or not you installed Minecraft.

mods when you were a kid. And if you didn't do that, then you probably don't understand computers. There's a weird video game thing like that that is the source of every major software engineer right now. You either bought it RuneScape, you played Gary's mod, you installed Minecraft mods. Roblox.

Roblox is going to be the new one. Yeah. I mean, my gateway was definitely Android and like in flashing ROMs. Flashing ROMs. That was my gateway to like learning technology. We're in the middle of doing that for the Google phone. We're setting up right. right now and it's a pain in the neck.

I do have a super, niche version of that, which I've brought it up, I think once on this podcast before. I played a truck simulator game on PC called 18 Wheels of Steel, and you could download your own mods from these forums

and then drop into the right folder structure and you could have your own custom trucks. And you could change the attributes of the truck, get the text file, change the engine power, drop that in there. What did any of them, Thomas, the Take Engine?

I was going to say, this is like Skyrim. There's an amazing, have you seen the Skyrim with the dragon flying down, but it's just Thomas the Tank ends. It's like breathing fire on people. That is funny though. Yeah. But file structure, no one knows. Listen, if you want your computer to go faster, find System 32, delete that shit.

You're going to fly. Yeah. It is funny, actually. You know how the boomers will be like, do you kids even know what a floppy disk is? I feel like the newer version of that is, do kids know what a file folder is? Have they ever seen a physical file folder? Well, no one's ever seen a physical file filled like the manila

Yeah, like manila folder. Oh like a Manila folder. You are talking physical folder. Yeah. Oh, damn. Yeah, no, probably not. I mean, yeah, my first ever job I had to like a filing cabinet. Like a filing cabinet. Kids probably have never seen file. That's a really good.

I had a moment like that recently because I was thinking about how like in our parents generation like inbox and outboxes were a thing. Like you would literally have two boxes on your desk for a member that was an inbox and an outbox. And it occurred to me, that those sit on your desktop. And I was like, that's what the data.

The folders sit on the desktop. Damn. Just like, and that's when I realized that every desk I've ever owned that my whole life had a computer on it. Yeah. And on your desktop, it's like your desktop is your home, you know, that and everything sits on top of your desktop. And then also, like, it makes sense how, like,

the original conception of the desktop was things would only live there temporarily before you'd move it into your documents folder. Yeah, so they realize we're all hoarders and desktops are disgusting. All the older people watching this right now are like, god damn, these cool. And we're like at our 30s bro. I know, I know. It's like

not good. But it's interesting the thing you brought up earlier, proof that I'm actually Genzi is I learned my first scripts and like how to use terminal and stuff from Minecraft products. Perfect. Nice. Very good. That's incredible. Cool.

Well, speaking of computers, old computers, Apple did finally officially wait until right after we recorded the podcast last week to kill the Mac Pro. It was like the day after. I've never been more sure that they waited until Thursday afternoon. Who else would care this much? No one. Yeah.

Only Thursday afternoon. Yeah, afternoon part is how I know, because then we couldn't even do a breaking. So they, you know, they kept it on the site for a while. always available, but it hasn't gotten updates since the M2 generation, M2 Ultra Mac Pro. I've had it on my desk. I've talked about it in the desk tour that I did, which is like this product is effectively end of life, but not officially dead yet. Last week, they officially removed it from the Apple store, removed it from their website,

and now they've confirmed, I think, from a statement somewhere. I don't know. 9 to 5 Mac. 9 to 5. Reach out. Yeah, they said they're not going to, you know, update it anymore. So, yeah, it felt like they only made that product. because people had been begging for it for so long,

and it just was very useless. No, I, okay, Andrew's giving me this look like. Do you remember us cheer it? Like, everyone looked at you in the audience. I remember that. I remember being at, it was probably Dub, Dub, and they said, new Mac Pro, and I felt everyone turn around.

Yeah. Yeah, you know, the Mac Pro, the idea of the Mac Pro is, it's basically just a bigger enclosure with more cooling and PCI expansion. Yeah. And all Apple missed on, was really facilitating this ecosystem of PCI expansion accessories. There's a couple. I had an OWC SSD.

I have that still on my Mac Pro. There's some networking cards. There's still some GPUs that are potentially useful for very specific applications like decoding video. But it really never materialized as like a really vibrant ecosystem because Thunderbolt's good. And you can just plug in basically anything you need via Thunderbolt in a Mac Studio and get effectively the same thing.

PCI is still faster. But Thunderbolt's really, really fast now. So the market for people who can't get it done with Thunderbolt, but Ken with the Mac Pro was about three people. I'm not even one of those people. I could just be using Thunderbolt. But yeah, the Mac Pro, I'm sure nobody bought that thing for a couple of years. And it finally was officially deceased.

And it was funny because they made the version that had the feat, and then they made the version that was supposed to go in, like, server centers. The rack, yeah. The rack version. And it was like, did anybody buy that for server centers? I just don't think. I know one person who had a rack-mounted Mac Pro. Did they just buy it for personal use, though?

And they just happened to buy the rack-mounted version? They did buy it for personal use. They bought it as a touring computer for lighting and video stuff for, like, pro, you know, arena shows. And it was just way more convenient to have it rack-mounted because then you could put it directly in a flight case and get to a venue. Do you know what's more convenient? A Mac studio now. Yeah. I was going to say, did they, do you know if this person used PCI cards?

Yeah, yeah. They did. Because when you're doing like really complex video output stuff, you need like a, like, what's called like a deck link from Blackmagic is like an example of like a really intense video IO that, yeah. You guys know, I don't even know what you're talking about. It was just, it was a confusing product the second it switched to Apple Silicon because then now it was like all this unified memory, no more expandable RAM and GPU support was effectively nothing. but they still have PCI slots

so you could still do some very specialized stuff and it was like I mean don't you have like 18 terabytes of SSD storage I have a 64 terabyte PCIE SST and I speed tested to this day

like I have equivalent Thunderbolt 5 version of the same thing and it gets three times a speed from the PCI SSD but three times and also very fast speed is still like it was 9,000 versus

3,500 so I was like yeah I should have been using a Mac studio all these years ago but I was stubborn. I didn't buy a new one. I think when they hopefully soon make the M5 Ultra seems like what they're going to do.

I've heard it's coming soon. That I think is what I will finally upgrade to. Yeah. Yeah. And I'll just have a Thunderbolt drive. Just Thunderbolt. Yeah. I mean, you almost...

Why can I think of the word? Manifested this because like within the month before you just kept going like, I don't think I need this anymore. I think I could just use the studio with this and the new studio honors and blah, blah, blah, blah. And then Apple was like, finally, he said it, get rid of it, out of here. I did the studio display review.

I said Studio is the new pro. Because that couldn't have been any more clear. They literally came out with the new Studio Display XDR and discontinued the pro display in the same announcement. And it was like, oh, no more pro because Studio is good enough and here's the new thing. And then the MacPro sitting over there kind of shaking like, yeah, yeah, that's true. So we know Mac Studio is already more than enough for all of the pros. who are using Macs for all these things.

There's a couple who are still using Pro displays. There's a couple who are still using Mac Pros. They'll still use those things, but it's like Studio is where it's at. Cudos to the 9 to 5 Mac people who made their banner image a Mac Pro upside down with its little feet up and just looks like a piece of roadkill.

Wow. It's so funny. I also have a quick question for all of you. Sure. For Funzies, I put Marquez's maxed out M2 Ultra MacPRO in the trade-in program for Apple, what do you think you would get back?

How much did you buy it for? It was over 10 racks. Are we doing closest without going on? Which is not bad considering the Intel ones? Yeah, the Intel ones were absurd. We're like 50,000? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This has, it was maxed out.

It had 8 terabytes of storage, and it had 192 gigs of unified memory. I think I spent 13 on it or something. I don't think Apple's going to give me very much. I think they would give me less than 5, probably 3,000. less. I guess. Because remember the 50, wasn't the $50,000 one I

tried the trade in and it was like a thousand bucks? I thought those were $500 to all recycle it for you. I think it was $1,000. Was that because Apple Silicon had come out and so the Intel ones were like useless? Just melted down for metal. Yeah, basically.

Yes. For scraps. I think they're going to give you $280. That would be insulting. That'd be insane. That's less than an iPhone. That's how much it takes to ship it. I think they will recycle it for you. I'm going to say a G. I think Marquez is the closest. It is 2,665.

That's not. It's not bad. I almost wonder if the trade and program got the memo that these got discontinued yet. But I think that price will go down very fast now. Which is an M2 Ultra Max Studio. But that means in three years, right? 2023 is when you bought this. So I'm like, uh, yeah, something like that. It's a fifth of the value. Yeah. Yeah. You can get a fully loaded M4 Max Mac Studio for that price.

It's still a crazy computer. It's a really good computer. How much they cost on eBay? The thing is just how good Apple Silicon keeps getting. Remember I benchmarked them M5 Max MacBook Pro, 16 inch, and it's the fastest single-threaded Mac CPU core ever. And it's like most of the stuff you do, that's the thing, like most of the stuff I do on a Mac most of the time,

is not editing. It's like all the regular stuff. It's writing. It's the, you know, whether it's thumbnails or like all the everyday web browsing stuff, emails that I do. And then five percent of the time, it's really, really heavy video editing. So all the sacrifices that I made in daily usability to go into video editing, it's like those probably should just be two different computers. Yeah. And so now, yeah, it's just the new stuff is good at both. These vary a lot. For your spec, they've sold on eBay for as little as $2,500 and as high as $7,800. I, you know, it's funny to complain about how little Apple would give me for it, but how much

would I pay for that computer now? You couldn't. You wouldn't? I would never buy it now. Why? Yeah. Because you could get a way better computer. For the, yeah, I guess the RAM is in the, because I don't need the PCI expansion in the

Mac Studio. Yeah. Yeah. Damn. That's crazy. See you. See you later. I'm sure there's someone somewhere that has like a couple of these doing some very niche

business stuff that would just go buy this. Yeah. Yeah. I was hoping, I think secretly hoping for like a really sick video card that would like decode red code. After burner. Like an after burner card. Yeah. And that just never happened.

Also, like as much as I'm, you know, I love these big 16 inch MacBook pros. They're not like thermally perfect. You know what I mean? Like you do benefit from having the big, the big, what you call it? Yeah. Mac Studio. Or I was going to say the Mac Pro. Like even though you're not going to get a chip set that's like.

You know, you probably still get better speeds on a thermally throttled 16 inch M5 max, but I don't know. There's something nice about knowing your cool. I would say the best case scenario for Abil-Suliken today was if they put the highest end chip in the Mac Pro and just let us cool the crap out of it and do whatever we want. Yeah. But that's another story. RIP MacPro.

So if you're still here watching this with us, then you probably like tech. So you should subscribe if you're hanging around here on what. whatever podcast platform of choice. Anyway, this has been a crazy week for kind of like software development. There was like an Axios NPM hack earlier this week. Then Axiom. Axiom. Thank you.

We were just reading. Axioms. We were just reading Axios. There was an NPM thing. Whatever. We're not the place for that. What we are the place for is to laugh at the fact that Anthropic accidentally leaked their own Claude code.

to the internet and it is now freely floating around Twitter but fair warning be careful if you go looking for this code because if you get caught with it on your computer or if you're sharing it or whatever there's like legal terms of service things where you could be sued by anthropic which we just found pretty ironic it's hilarious you stole our stuff and we stole all the other stuff yeah wait wait we steal not you guys yeah it's like no no it's not theft if all you do is train a model on it. But also, don't train your models on our code.

That's that. By the way, love Claude. Pay for it. Happy with my $20 a month leaving my bank account. But still, jokes on you, buddy. This is fun. This is dumb. I will never feel bad for an AI company getting anything stolen from them.

Sorry, they have all stolen everything and they're just like, don't people do that. They had a comment. Yeah, all this stuff is like ongoing. So by the time you're listening to this, there's probably been way more developments, but just be aware. Yeah. But there's There's some interesting stuff aside from, you know, getting to laugh and do the little jester dance. Like there's some interesting stuff in the leak, for example.

They were planning this like thing called Buddy, which was like a, seemed like a Tomogachi style interface for Claude. And there were these goofy. Do you know what a distillation attack is? Yeah. Nope. So a distillation attack, you take like a pipsqueak AI and then you take a big Chad AI. And then you take the Pipsqueak AI just prompts the chat AI over and over and over again. And learns from it.

Yeah. And like pays attention to like how it's doing its reasoning and then it trains itself on the kind of reasoning that the chat AI is doing. And it's a way you could make something weak like a 13 million parameter quen learn from something like Claude Opus 4.6. Yeah. And there were these goofy anti-distolation measures in there that would like create fake API calls that like that so that it would be it would like poison the training data for like these distillation attacks. Nice. There's a lot. I'm anthropic.

I'm sorry this happened, but also, nah, yeah, yeah. Well, moving on to the biggest news of the week, possibly the year, possibly the entire decade. Did you guys create your email accounts

in like 2003? Yes. Yes. Long time ago. Gmail. Well, that's the problem. It wasn't Gmail. All my crin emails are on.

AOL.com. AOL, Yahoo, hot mail. But you're not still using them, right? No. Yeah, okay. Well, Google has just announced that they are allowing you to change your email address.

Yes, this is a big deal because I have five email addresses. Oh, boy. Yes, big deal. So now you're able to change your account username once every 12 months on your Google account. Your previous address will still be saved as an alternate email address

and can still be used to sign into your account if you want. And you can switch back to your alternate at any time. So if you have like meme lord 72 at gmail.com, you can now become Now you can be meme lord 6-7. That's right. See, I thought this along those lines where I have a professional email account because I had

the foresight when I was a young high school student to just like use my name. I want to change it now. Yeah, no, I'm a nerd. I want to change it to meme lord 6-7 now. What's the point? Yeah, that's true. So does this work where like you kind of have like a trail now of usernames and all of them still work?

Like you've had your old username. Then you change it to the new username. But you still get emails. if people email the old username. And then a year later, you change it again. You still get both old? I don't know how that would work. Google will kill this program before one year goes by, so it doesn't matter.

I'm not sure how that would work. It just uses email alias, so I would assume it would work. It's like mail forwarding pretty much. I'm going to start my land grab of all the best email addresses. Just keep gone. But you could do that already by just creating new Google accounts. Yeah, but then I have to log into each one of them. Yeah, true.

So excited. My two questions are, one, aren't most of the reasons we have bad email addresses because the one we wanted was taken already? So, like, by the time I try and change it to just Andrew Mangonelli at Gmail.com, that's probably been taken for 10 years. I haven't. I'll try. I saw a lot of people online getting the ones that they thought were taken before, but I'm no longer taken.

To be fair, they've probably at this point purged a lot of inactive accounts. I know Yahoo did that a while ago. They just purged a ton of accounts that weren't used for. X amount of time. So maybe. My dream is to just get at Adam everywhere. Because yes, it is my actual name, but it is also such a common name that it is like completely anonymous.

Bro, that ain't even going to happen in your dreams. Every time the new social media app comes up and I rush in early beta to get at Adam, there's already someone, I guess, internally at the company named Adam is literally the first guy. It's the first letter of the Alphabet. You're still. Oh, yeah. That's true. Sorry, bro.

Did you get it on T2? I did not get it on T2. It was like Adam three, four, eight or something. You couldn't get Adam, but Ellis got Dad. Dad is just God. So I guess he was first. He was before Adam. My other question on this is,

there's so many websites that use email as the username for login. So I'm assuming the old ones still will just work. This is going to break something along that pipeline somewhere. Almost definitely. And it's going to cause major frustration. I was thinking because my original email address

that I ever made, which is so cringe. It is my login for everything because people... I was going to just bully you into saying it, but maybe you shouldn't. Yeah, no, don't. I will not say it.

Andrew, your last name is two L's, right? Yes. Okay. You have like 30 seconds to get Andrew Maganelli at gmail.com. Wait, it is available right now? Yeah, I'm claiming it. Oh, is that real?

How can I do this? Okay, I'll show you how to do it. So go to your Gmail. Wait, not live on the pod, please. Okay, I'll do it. Actually, I think you have to do on your phone. I mean, I do literally have it up. It actually says it's available?

Yeah, yeah, but I'm not actually going to claim it. I think you have to claim it before this episode. Before it, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah. I'll do it later. Yeah. My full name was taken by a famous marine biologist.

Wait, you use it for logging into everything? I don't remember what I was going to say. I totally lost my chance of thought. Oh. Yeah. Okay. Speaking of losing the train of thought, nothing is going to make glasses?

What? This is a rumor. Famous nothing leaker Mark. Kerman wrote an article about nothing potentially working on smart glasses for 2027. More like losing the train of plot, am I right? Yeah, everybody is working on glasses allegedly. Hey, I'll go real quick into this.

There's not a ton of information. They apparently will have built in cameras, microphones, and speakers. No display. AI features would be all floated to smartphone in the cloud. Essentially, meta raybans. Yeah, but not meta. So there's that. Yeah, like, I'm not going to lie.

They don't need glasses. I mean, they don't need cameras because I prompt an AI once every two days minimum. Okay? I'm a heavy AI user. Never once have I given it a prompt that required a photograph. Sure. Sometimes I take screenshots and include that in my prompt. You've never uploaded a photo?

Never. I've uploaded screenshots. I've uploaded screenshots of my computer screen. But never once have I ever needed an AI that the input needed a photo. And I'm sorry, the only reason these stupid glasses have cameras is. because they know they're going to sell all the data they illegally scrape from their life. While that is true, I think it might only be you

that has never uploaded a photo to one of these things. Also, guys, you can just take pictures of videos without AI, needing to send it to AI. I want these because there's so many times. You can do it with your phone. Not if I'm holding Wayne with two hands. Yeah, so there's a lot of, I will just, I will remind you that the number one use case

of the meta ray bands for most people is first person hands-free video. It's a thousand percent what most people buy those glasses for. Yeah, they probably don't use the AI most of the time. There is like always going to be the argument of I can do this with my phone because most stuff that these tiny computers can do, you have a computer in your pocket. They can do all of that already. But there's this race for like putting the thing on your face because kind of like AI, a lot

of them believe that this is the next frontier of computing or whatever. And if the smartphone's going to die and it's going to be glasses next, well, I better get in now. So they're all trying it. They're all getting in something on the ground floor to have a first-gen glass. product in the next year. What will nothing's advantage be? Seems like they're going to, I mean, they do design, so they're going to probably have some fun with design.

Do you think Google will announce the Gemini glasses at I owe this year, like officially? I think that would feel about right, because we've heard about this, like, being worked on for a while, and we've seen it. They had demos that I owe last year. I think they're very useful. I think the feature that I got the most of a kick out of was, like, coming out of the subway or coming off of, like, getting out of a taxi, and having maps navigation, like, look through the camera and figure out where you're oriented and put an arrow where you're supposed to be

going right away. That's super useful. And I feel like the Google ones... It looks like Google Glass did this in 2012. Well, Google Glass would not oriented on the display in front of me, it would show me like what street I should be looking for and that I'd look for the street sign. Not that that's that difficult, but it's just a magic of I pop out and it's like, go this way. Yeah. Pretty sweet. Yeah. So like they're going to all try to come up with their own killer features and their own reasons for why you should buy their version. Am I shocked that nothing's making this? No. They also are the same ones that were like,

we don't have to have a flagship phone every year just because everyone's doing it. But they got to make glasses, though. Yeah. Carl Pay is also a big, big AI guy. Yeah, but I genuinely believe that if they release these glasses without any internet connection and just the ability to record with glasses, they will sell just as many. That's true. I agree with that. I am essentially excited for these because one, I think nothing does make cool looking products. I think these might look pretty cool.

I think these are going to be cheaper because it's nothing, which is like, then I wouldn't feel bad paying that money because I would just be wearing them as sunglasses. I'm not the, I don't feel like wearing fake lenses and fake glasses like indoors for everything. So I would just buy these as sunglasses. And honestly, the AI is probably going to suck because it's nothing. So I don't care. I just want to take some videos with like. sometimes. Like first person videos where I can use both my hands. And like this will probably

be cheaper. And also, I'll still give nothing a ton of credit for this. Both their new phones has a red recording light on it. So hopefully these glasses will have an actual real recording light so people can tell when you're recording on glasses. It would be so funny and it wouldn't also not surprise me. We're like, I think appropriately assigning a lot of the attributes of nothing's current phones to what we think these glasses will have. And like the headphones too, like, Did you like the headphone design? I'm trying to remember. So I, I, no, I like the earbud design.

The earbud design. I like, it's fine. Most people with glasses on your face, I'm guessing here, but they kind of want them to sort of fade away and just like look like glasses and not draw too much attention. No, I want glyphs. I was like, because there's other people who would like,

you could get the transparent glasses, you can have the computer showing and the lights and all this. Those are the best meta-ray bands. The clear ones were the best-looking meta-raband. They were the most hype. I think they were the coolest ones. Look, what I was just about to say is all of you people that bought those limited edition clear ones, I know you think they look cool. They really small.

They look. They look. It depends on where you are. It's very specific to where you are. If you are walking around a place where lots of other people have meta-ray bands, then it's cool to have the one that looks a little different. Sure. On meta's campus mostly is where I was like experiencing this. But if you're just kind of like out around in a normal place, having the computer on your glasses look, computer on your face look,

is not as appreciated sometimes. It was like the same thing with Google Glass. Like Google Glass, when I was testing them as a student in Hoboken, New Jersey, I remember walking around like Hoboken wearing Google Glass, feeling unbelievably self-conscious. Because I feel everyone looking at me. I'm wearing a computer on my face. But like, you guys don't know. Like, I got the directions up here.

Like, I got the notifications up here. It's like the meme of the guy in the corner of the party. No one knows. They don't know I have a computer on my face. Yeah, it was such an isolating, like, weirdly anti-social thing. That's what I'm looking for. But now, this is going to be the thing where, like, if glasses blow up and everyone has glasses, then the design actually becomes a part of, like, why you might pick one over the other.

If I'm just always, well, no, I'll look like a creep if it's just always recording. But if you're recording, no one's going to want to come up and talk to me. The design is very important. That's why Google is partnering with, like, Gentle Monster, you know. Like, Meta did Rayman. It's going to be the car phone collab of the glasses world. Yeah. And you're putting a computer on their face.

You need it. I think everyone has to partner with some existing, like, we make glasses people want to buy company because I just, like, Google learned from this from glass already. They had a compelling product that was not only 15 years too early, but nobody wants to wear an obvious computer on your face. So if you just have it in glasses and it just looks like regular glasses, you're already at the peak of what people want.

Yeah. So we'll see some of that. Dibbs on review in it. Maybe they should have... If they're clear, I don't... Yeah, I was, what, June? It's June... No, sorry, it's May.

May? 17th. I'm expecting Android, Gemini, and AI and glasses. It's mostly just AI. Yeah. Yeah. But, I mean, they showed off the glasses early last year at I. So I feel like they got to be a...

ready to launch them, right? Not necessarily. I mean, sometimes they just show stuff off. I mean, meta's like eating everybody's lunch right now. Yeah. They're like three years ahead of everybody else. It was funny, meta showed off the stuff they were working on, and then suddenly it was, you could buy it, which was crazy.

Yeah. So, yeah. We'll see. All right. Speaking of Google, quick thing, we did see some pixel 11 leak renders start to pop out, and shocker. A lot of similarities to the pixel 10. Like a lot.

No way. Matter of fact, I saw it. I saw it on my timeline and I thought, oh, another pixel 10. That's what it looks like. Same color. I honestly just saw thinner bezels and more RAM. That's all I saw as like expected new things. What I saw, so it's from OnLeaks, the CAD drawings that are then rendered.

It does seem like maybe thinner bezels. It also will be 0.1 millimeter thinner than the pixel 10, but don't get too excited because the pixel 9 was already 0.1 millimeter. This is the same dimension as the pixel 9. Just pixel 10 had to maybe be a little thicker because of the magnets. 0.1 meters. Some of the stuff, and this is really early and not confirmed, but I'm still seeing people say this is going to be 128 gigabyte base storage. And Google, I promise you, if it comes out 128 gig base storage, same price,

I will do everything in my power to convince Marquez to give this bust of the year because it deserves it. I tried real hard last time, but 16E came out. Yeah. I will lose my shit. I think this is the same. Because I'm again assigning what would happen in the past of the future. I think if TensorFlow G6 is again underwhelming and not much of a, you know, big improvement from G5.

And it's the same price and it's the same cameras and it's the same design, same dimensions, same features and same battery. And same 128 gigs of storage. I think that takes the front for bust of the year so far like what worst deal has come out so far this year. Something worse will happen, I guarantee you. I'm pretty sure something where... It's only April.

It's like we got plenty of time. We have a lot of time. But that would be incredibly disappointing, I would say. I will say, and this is just on the renders so nobody really knows, but people are saying that it doesn't seem like there's a thermometer sensor on it anymore. Oh, no.

So, you know, if you were cooking your meat with your pixel, then RIP to you. I guess you can't do that anymore. Yeah. I'm surprised it's not already gone. I... I don't want to go...

I don't know if it's actually going to be 128 gig base, but if it is... We'll see. We'll give them a chance. We'll give them a chance. If Apple is really the like... The budget...

Not budget. Not budget. I did not say budget. Price... Price conscious, big player in the U.S. in 2026. We've lost the block. Hey, watch SE 17...

Neo... Neo... iPad. Even just base 17 was great. They 17, yeah, true. Andrew. Apple Shill over here. That's crazy.

Well, you know what's the opposite of changing a lot every time? You know what's super consistent? The thing we do every single time. Trivia. It's consistent that we always get it wrong. Yes. We got to do an extravaganza soon, by the way. Soon.

We had our conversation about extravaganza yesterday. It's exciting. But it probably, we probably won't see an extravaganza until, June. That's when I think it makes the most sense. So you'll have many more weeks to stock up on points. That's what Australia Manifesto told me. And then it didn't happen until a year later. I'm going to start studying. There will be another trivia extravaganza in 2026. It will return an adventure.

Yeah. But we are reaching the point where it's getting really hard to come up with extravaganza questions because we've done a few too many of them. No. But guys. Yes. We just talked about yet another pixel leak. Seems like pixels leak more than my faucet. I was going to say, I don't know anything that's notorious for leaking other than pixels, frankly. Quad could. Sitting right in front of me.

But, but, but, there was an iPhone that didn't just leak, leaked so badly that gives Mito was able to do a full tear down because they found it left at a bar. Yeah, we know this. Which iPhone was it? Simple. Simple. Simple questions deserve simple points. There are so many other stories that spiraled out of this story.

This is like an all-time tech story. We're never going to get another leak story like this one. I don't think so. I think that's the penultimate. Yeah. This is what everyone who does leaks now dreams of. The engineer that leaked that phone He vanished

In sort of just like Oh Yeah Also I don't even know if leakers dream of it Because didn't they sue the hell out of the guy Who took it from the bar? A lot, yeah Yeah

Definitely sued it because it was stolen property The police got involved There's a whole thing Yeah The people who know the story Already know which phone it was If you don't, you're going to find out I don't know what phone was what I know

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Last week on the pod, I mentioned, and it may or may not have been the title, that Flighty was a top five app of all time. Unvilebly useful, super good. If you use it, you know. And it turned out to be kind of a hot take. There's a lot of people who like a lot of other apps. I decided it would be fun if we all, actually, Andrew decided this.

If we all brought our top five apps to the table. It's kind of calling your bluff. I want to see if you're really going to put it in your top five apps when we make you list your top five. Yeah, I actually thought about it now for a while. I went through both my iPhone and my Android phone, and I really thought about this. And I've got my top five apps and my honorable mentions. If it's not in the top five flight is going to be really sad. Because they tweeted about it last week.

Really good point. I can start it off if you want. Yeah, we all asked everyone to do this. So that's what we're going to do. We're all going to do our top five. So there's one question I had about this. Because you specified mobile apps, not desktop apps. Does that include tablet apps?

Sure. Yes? Because that alters my list. My question on desktop apps is, is that not just software? It is. Yeah. I guess it's just like, but there's so many like web apps. Not your app, I think.

Top five progressive web apps of all time. I also think there's not that many good apps. The spirit of it in my eyes was really good. Okay, then I'm going to do only phone. I'm going to do only phone. So no staff ad, no procreate. Okay, yeah. Let's go just mobile phone.

Okay, top five mobile phone apps. I have my top five. I'm going to give my honorable mentions first that just barely missed my top five. Co-pilot finance app. There's a lot of apps like it. Not Microsoft co-pilot. Damn it.

There's a lot of apps like it, It's just the best one. What is it? It helps you, you log into your accounts, your bank accounts, so you can see all of your transactions and sort through things, budget through things, keep an eye on it. There's lots of apps like it, but this is one of the best ones. In my opinion, it's the best one.

I think there's a subscription tier. I don't want to commit. Let me see. There is a subscription tier. I pay for it. Is it worth it? It's $9. It was worth it.

$9. Mine broke recently, and I've been going back and forth with their support for about three months trying to get it fixed. And they just sort of were like, yeah, it doesn't work. And I was just sort of like, neither does my credit card. It's not my credit card. It stopped sinking with my Venmo. And so my Venmo transactions don't show up in my co-pilot anymore,

which is like not like I can still keep track of my finances, but it's really annoying that it worked for years, stopped working. And they're just sort of like, no, it's a back end issue. We just can't fix it. That's one of those things where like if the whole point of the app is to do everything and then it loses one of them, it severely stressed that. I'm still a big fan of co-pilot.

It's just, it stopped working. In finance, there is a lot of extra work in the backend sync stuff. I happen to know like people who work for these companies and it is a lot of work. So yes, stuff does periodically break with it, but it is super useful to me. So it's in my honorable mentions.

Athletic also makes my honorable mentions. It essentially takes all of the data my Apple Watch is collecting and formats them and displays them in different ways. kind of like whoop. Like it shows me a lot of the same scores and like calculates

like how much exertion I can do today when I should work out all these other things, how much sleep is factoring in really useful for anyone who's an athlete and wants to keep track of a whole bunch of a whole bunch.

It's $2 a month versus $239 a month. Yeah, this is going to be a theme a lot of these are subscriptions. I'm going to yell about whoop after the break. Is it 239 a month? No. Sorry, a year.

Oh, thank God. That's still, wait. I'll talk, right? Trust me, I'm going to yell about it at the end of this episode. I have a whole whoop. section. Yeah, so athletics good.

It's also iPhone-only, like, co-pilot. Blip. Blip, I discovered this year. Already? It's in my honorable mentions. We've been air-dropping things to each other in the studio for so long, and it's kind of a running joke of how maybe it's just the environment we're in. Like, there's like 20 airdrop devices within range of any one of these.

So you open airdrop, and suddenly things start popping up, and you try to click one, and it moves, and you actually get the one you want, and then it doesn't work or it declines, even though they never saw the notification. AirDrop is just, it's supposed to be great, but it's kind of fidgety in the studio, and Blip is just money every single time. File a transfer app, super useful. So Blip's honorable mention.

Incredible. Geekbench. I use it enough, and it's been good for long enough. I'm on Geekbench 6. I paid for Geekbench Pro. I regularly use Geekbenchbench in videos. You guys are familiar with this already. Geekbench, Honorable Mention.

YouTube. My last honorable mention is YouTube. Oh, this is last honorable mention. Wait, so you're going to do like 10 apps. Yeah. These are just ones that are close, and I thought, you know, they have like slight downsides. Didn't make it, but YouTube is obviously great. My top five. In no particular order.

What? No, it literally has to be in an order. It's not an order. This has to be an order. I can't put these in order. Yes, you can. Does that mean you have to start at five and go up to one? I can try, but I might regret.

I might regret my top five. All right. Number five. Don't edit that. Oh, shit. Okay. Okay. Number five, Relay for Reddit.

Dude, fuck. It's an Android app. Yeah. It's the best Android Reddit app by a mile. It's so good. It's awesome. It has a paid tier. It's worth it.

If you use Reddit, if you sort through things, it's just, it's super useful. It's a no question top five Android app ever, and it's in my top five. Waze. Waze is kind of not the prettiest app. It's not. But it is one of the most functional. It's crowdsourced. It has all of your potholes and all of your closed roads.

and all of your routing and everything. Most of the reason people want car play so they could put Waze instead of Google Maps on their car screen. Ways is goaded. Wait, wait. I almost put Google Maps in. Google Maps has everything from Ways now.

It's like all officially in it. Almost. What doesn't it have? A lot of the smaller, like, granular, like what it's alerting you about things. Like, Google will say things like, I don't think it does potholes. There's, like, object and road.

It does object on road. I'm not 100% sure about potholes, but I would assume it comes in. I've never been in Google, to be fair, I haven't used maps as much lately, but fog, bad weather, flooding on the road. There's visibility, closed roads. Do you know what the one I don't notice, which I'm fine with is the vehicle stopped on side of road, which on Waze is every three miles it feels like. It does get annoying, and I wish I could be even more ganglier with what it notifies me about, but I still think Waze is goaded. Dude, so vehicle stopped on your shoulder. you probably got to go to the hospital.

Jesus Christ. Wait, quick question about these, because I was debating using Google Maps and my top five as well, but that's almost like a utility to me at this point? Does that count? If the app is good enough,

I think you should count it. It's kind of like YouTube. Number three, flighty. Flighty, we talked about it last week. If you fly enough, flighty is unquestioned. It's almost a utility. Even if you don't fly enough.

I just like looking back at my passport and looking at the different places. and trips and stuff. Yeah, the rewind, the whole thing. I need someone to convince me that it's worth it. Flighty? Yeah. Oh, my God.

Next time you fly? I tried. Get on a trial. You could probably get a trial version of it. I used the trial. And I was like, did it not blow your mind? But I don't understand.

I mean, it's a great. It's great. Looking app. You're going to be on a flight that gets delayed and you know from flighty 45 minutes before everyone's sitting at the gate knows and you get to rebook your flight before everyone else does.

And you're going to go, wow, I'm glad I had flight. Are you speaking from experience? Yes. Literally. That's happened to me. All right. All right, two more. Number two, tick, tick.

My task sap. You know, there's a lot of task apps like this. There's a lot of planning apps. There's a lot of calendar apps. This is just the one I keep coming back to. And I do constantly try to switch to other ones. SuperList almost made my honorable mentions. But TickTick is just that goat.

It's just that goat. So I'm putting that in my top five. Number one, carrot weather. Number one. And I'm not like, I'm not locking in the order of my top five. Oh, it's. It's like, is by such a margin my most often used weather app that it's not even, it's not even really close.

Yeah. It has essentially stolen the layout from dark sky, which no one else has really cloned. I don't know if it's like not allowed to clone it or if they're just the only ones bold enough to do it. But they've one-to-one cloned the layout from dark sky, which is incredibly intuitive. The data is super accurate. The radar is really good. A lot of these apps are really good. and then the radar sucks.

It's good radar, good multiple sources. It's just a default app on my phone. It's also, unfortunately, iPhone only. But that's my top five. It's a bunch of iPhone apps and one Android app, top five apps of all the time. Tear my list apart. Anybody have any objections?

All right. No YouTube, no YouTube Studio. YouTube is honorable mention. YouTube Honorable Mention. YouTube Studios pretty good. It's not, it kind of does feel like utility to me, but yeah, it's good. But it's not like,

amazing. I don't know. It's fine. It does what I want it to. I never really, I actually don't like editing descriptions and metadata in the studio app because I've had to truncate my input before. So I have a long description and then I'll edit it from the app and I'll hit submit and then I'll view it on the desktop and it cuts off like after however many characters it was. So I've had issues with the app before. Yeah. There's also some things you can only do in the YouTube studio app on your phone. Like you can only add thumbnails to shorts in the YouTube studio app. No, I can only do that in the YouTube app. The YouTube app.

I can't change the thumbnail. But when I go into the YouTube app and go into my videos and then go to edit, that's where I can change the thumbnail of a short. It's not weird? It's not right for Google. I guess they do. I swear it sometimes feels like YouTube

doesn't have that many actual creators on their platform. Because the amount of things that are just broken for... Yeah, well, they have different teams for YouTube studio and YouTube. Where's the chapters team? Probably different buildings.

Yeah, probably different buildings. Chapters. I know you're out there. I know there's creators out there. We know one of them very well, but like... Yeah. If they add chapters, I'd add this to my... If you...

Justice for chapters UI. Yeah. Actually, just add a UI for chapters, please. Yeah. Like a real one. Yeah. Like, why wouldn't you do that? Yeah.

I found out recently that it really, really helps to add chapters because then Google search can index the chapters so that when someone asks a question on Google search, it'll bring you to the exact spot because it knows what the chapter was about. Huge. It's helpful. And yet you still have to just put time stamps in the description, and then it breaks 85% of the time. Talk about breaks a lot. We do it every week.

Every week on this podcast. And what is the number one tweak getting sent to us? Chapters? Why are there no chapters? Our comment section backs us up now, at least. Usually now it's like, this is great. Chapters working as of time. If you see somebody and they're complaining about us not having chapters, please tell them what's going on.

Please, inform them. Educate them. So there is. That's my list. Okay. I have two honorable mentions. Number one, I have the honorable mentions. Google Opinion Rewards.

Hmm. Oh. Okay. Damn, that's a good one. Deep cut. All time. This is a deep cut. That was really awesome.

If you don't know what Google Opinion Rewards is, it's been around since, like, 2010. It's freaking amazing. It came out very soon after Android came out. It will periodically, based on your search data, based on other things, location data, whatever, send you a little survey. And it's usually one to, sometimes it can be up to like 12 questions. Weirdly enough, it, so it pays you money, which is cool. Weirdly enough, it pays you based on the amount of questions you answered.

So if you just lie to it, it'll keep giving you more questions. Don't do that. I don't do that. But the only app that I have a subscription for on my phone that isn't part of like a family bundle or something is the Pokemon trading card game app. And Google Pena Awards pays for my subscription for that, which is pretty awesome. That's the only app you have a subscription for. That isn't part of like a family plan. So like I have a Google family plan.

YouTube. That has YouTube premium in it. Spotify? I don't have Spotify. I have YouTube music, which is part of the family plan. And then I have the Apple One family plan, which also comes with Apple music, that kind of stuff. But I don't, we talk about it's in the car at South Buy or something. I only have like one subscription that isn't part of other stuff.

Yeah, I'm terrified of subscriptions. Anyway, honorable mention, if you're not using Google Pina Awards, you should be using it because it gives you at least one at like every couple of days. Sometimes it gives you like five. Yeah, most people forgot it was still around. Other thing, if you have multiple phones, you can set it up on the same account with multiple phones. It'll serve you like multiple. It's crazy.

I mean, I don't do that. They're essentially scamming. No. I don't do that. But anyway, it's great. Okay. Honorable mention number two. Telegram.

I know. Okay, the stickers. And the emoji are all animated. It's so awesome. It's so amazing. Telegram is cross-platform. It's got a desktop app. Yeah, you can get your porn bots anywhere.

It's amazing. Well, I pay, oh, oh. We didn't even have. get one app further. No, I realize I do have another subscription. It's Telegram Premium. Because it's like $20 a year, but it completely removes the porn apps, porn bots. It makes it usable, basically.

Yeah, it makes it usable. Because there is a feature in Telegram Premium where you can charge people to message you if they're not in your contacts already. Wow. Yeah. So it's like, you can spam me, but you got to pay. Wow. Which is pretty cool.

No one has ever paid. Okay. Now we're on to the actual app. and this might be a top five, like in order of actual best. You made me pick a five. I didn't. Andrew did. Yeah.

Yeah. That's right. Okay. Number five, Libby. I had that on mine too. You can use it. No, I took it off. It's fine.

Libby is great. It is a library app. It's so good. In New York City, it's amazing because we have three public libraries, and you can get a library card for all three of them. And Libby will let you rent ebooks. It will let you rent audiobooks. books. It just has so many resources. I think you might get like a free New York Times subscription

if you were part of the Brooklyn Public Library or something. It's pretty awesome. So it's a great app and I can't believe it's free. Very cool. Number four, relay for Reddit also. I used relay for so, so, so long and eventually they did go subscription because of the Reddit Apocalypse. Oops. My honorable mention for Reddit would be, obviously, Christian Seligap, Apollo, rest in pieces. Number three, Nova Launcher. Oh. Yeah.

That is an app. Yeah. Yeah. I think I was looking at, because I was just trying to wreck my brain this morning for like what are the most popular apps. You know, Nova Launcher is one of the most downloaded apps of all time with over five million downloads. I could see that because of all time, there's.

such a long period of like the last 15 years where everyone who didn't have a Google phone but wanted a better launcher like all the touchwiz phones that's the first thing I installed on all those phones yeah totally and a lot of people did the same thing totally so good uh number two viewfinder preview this is an app that I use to frame my film photos for when my cameras don't have viewfinders uh like my 3d printed cameras it's really really good you can do various different aspect ratios, you can test things, you can take sample pictures with it. It's super basic, but I use it literally every week, and I've been using it every week for like six years. So I think it's worth being in my top five. Number one for me, Pocketcasts. I think Pocketcast is probably the greatest

app ever made. It's really, really old. Multi-platform. It's multi-platform. It has a web app. It has been passed around. It used to be owned by NPR for a while. Now it's a owned by, what are they called? The people that do make WordPress. Automatic. But it is a really insanely good UI. You don't pay for plus. So the thing about it, and no, I don't.

I bought it for $7 in 2012 or whenever, because they had a one time, because subscriptions were not very popular back then. So I bought it for $7. And then when they switched to subscription, anyone who had bought it for $7 got the pro version for free for life. Nice. So I'm grandfathered in. So I actually don't know what the free version of Pocketcast is like.

So I'm sorry if it sucks. But I just think it's just... It's pretty good. You just can't do like folders and stuff. An insanely good podcast app. Why would you need that? That's the best... That's a good app, though, is when like the subscription thing is really for a power user,

but the free version gives you like 90% of what it is already. Totally. That's a good app. So not as exciting as Mark has weather apps, but... Agreed. Yeah. What you got, Andrew? All right, let's go.

Number five. No honorable mentions here. If it is not in this list, it's a dog water app. Wow. Number five, Taco Bell. What? Okay. I don't actually use it that much.

The app's that good? The app is actually pretty solid. You're not jaded by the restaurant. I usually, I'm totally jaded by the restaurant. Why are you jaded by the restaurant? Or I'm shilling for the restaurant? I don't know. Like, I like this app because of the restaurant.

restaurant. Of course. But Taco Bell has the most times that I want to add things onto like different items. And I am way to embarrass to say that in the drive-thru. Therefore, this is the app that I use out of all of them. I'm a plus potatoes plus jalapinos plus this minus that, whatever. I ain't saying all that in the drive-thru because there's no it gets a right app. Dude, it's, it's the only fast food app that works 100% of the time. There's no upsell pop-out. Like all other fast food. restaurants, their apps are like so brutally, just unusable. And I mean, I say unusable from like the I'm spoiled. Like it just, things are kind of slow and choppy. But still, it's like. Or they send you like 8,000 push notifications. Yeah. They all do. I'm sure Taco Bells does. It sends you

notifications. I disabled notifications on every single app that I asked. Yeah. I did that too. The McDonald's app, dude, like a fifth of the time, it'll just only show you the breakfast menu. And it's not breakfast time. So you just can't order it. And it's like, this should be the easiest thing to figure out as an app. What time is it not breakfast? Why does McDonald's only do breakfast between certain times? I don't know. I'm sorry.

All day breakfast? You really struck a cord here. No, no. Well, Taco Bells has got to be easy because there's only essentially seven ingredients on the entire menu. And it's just a different version of that. Do we talk about the Popeye's thing on the podcast? No, no, no. We don't want people to know about this.

All right. I have no idea what they're talking about. But that's okay. Number four, I don't use. but I'm going to hype it up anyways. Interesting. Old school RuneScape app. This is a game that has been around for so long

that is the most simple web browser game from like 2007. They relaunched it years ago. They're still updating this game. It has a huge user base. And because it's so simple, it makes sense on an iPad or a phone. The other thing about it is it is the most grind-intensive, time-consuming, AFKable, like game possible, that being able to go on your computer and do different, like, boss battles or quest or stuff that are more intensive, and then just woodcut to 99 on your

phone without paying attention is perfect. Now you don't have... Sounds like having an extra job. It basically is, but this lets Runecape people go outside because now you can still grind XP and touch this, touch grass. Yeah. Perfect. Very important.

Although I was also looking at this. This has like 5 million plus downloads on the Play Store. Oh. Great rating, except apparently, like, within the last month is the login's completely broken on Android. So Jagex, if you're listening, fix that for the homies out there. I still don't even play the game. I just watch a lot of content about it, but the app seems awesome. Number three, blip.

Blip has changed everything we've done here. The amount of times I've had to pull stuff off of phones to then send to Marquez's MacPro to be like in a video or something blip has helped that so much everyone's so hype on blip but nobody's ever blip me anything so why is this better than airdrop again can you explain cross platform cross platform faster

works every time you can blip someone something across the country oh really it's all it's not Wi-Fi dependent it's just you just send it's free it checks to see if you're on the same network as someone and if you are it just does like local you know but if you're not

it goes P to P over the internet. So it's not, it's just dependent on your actual connections. Like you don't like like, it's not like, oh, Dropbox is a really slow server. So I'm, no, it's just, 50 to 60 megabytes per second across the country. Is there a file size limit? Not that I've found. That's crazy. I blip myself the 10 gigabyte, uh, pod audio after every session. No file size limit. That's crazy. Blip is awesome. I'm a blip evangelist. Yeah, I'm full. on blip. If there's blip merch, I'll buy blip.

No joke. Rufus really put us on that one. That's crazy. Yeah. Number two, Google Tasks. Y'all change me. Google Tasks may have like legitimately changed my life. I will also argue that the simplicity of it has maybe

helped me because I remember David Pierce which we should bring back on again. I know he mentioned that recently on like threads. It sounds like he just wants to talk about productivity apps. But that episode did great. So come join us, David. But like being, I just have to type it in every time. At this point, a third of the time, like, I just do the task before it even pops up because I typed it in, which like in my brain had me remember it.

It works great with that. It works great with just Android Auto being able to like remind me do it in one hour when I get to work with all voice, not hands off the wheel at all. Like, yeah, it's changed my life. You saying that is going to end up at Google I.O. this year. No one at I. Andrew Manginelli. Google Tash. Changed my life.

Next quote. 128 gigabytes. I will ruin you. And then my number one is the most niche one possible. But as a disc golf player, UDisc is exactly what I was talking about before. Of the free version of this app gives you 90% of the things to either find a disc golf course, record your score, do pretty much anything disc golf related. It is a super cheap sport. Anyone can do if you want to find a course near you.

It's on there. My favorite thing about it is every year they release this giant post about how many people are playing in how many different countries. And it's essentially just so people can use that data to give to their local townships to build more disc golf courses. And if at any point you want to request the data, you can just reach out to them and do it to try and build more community building things. So people who run that app are great.

The app itself is great. There's a $30 a year subscription if you want some like really premium things, like getting it on my Carmen watch. Other than that, it's free. Great app. Cool. Nice. Play disc golf. I'll go next.

So first two honorable mentions. Okay. Specifically because I'm on Android now. So they're iOS only. One of them being flighty, like Rick has mentioned. All right. I'll download it. All right.

I'll download it. Flight is great. There's a cross-platform one by it. that's also really good, but it doesn't have the new airport intelligence feature that Flighty just dropped. That's fire. Yeah. So flight is,

flight is goaded. The other one is Gentler streak, which was the fitness app that I was using on Apple with my Apple Watch Ultra. It was awesome. Miss it, but now I'm on Android, so it is what it is. But number five for me is KWGT, which is like a widget app on Android. It's been around for a minute. And that thing, I've customized so many homes.

screens it lets you do basically what is it called powerful kwgc what does it stand for great question no idea it's okay custom widget maker but with a k custom yeah i've never heard of that yeah it's awesome uh if you well whenever you get back on android david mr iphone only over there uh download it it's it's really cool it's a little confusing there's like a little learning curve but there's such a good community behind it where you could just like import widgets that other people made and it's awesome that's most of what i did like yeah there's some incredibly complicated complex widgets where I'd import it and I'm like, what if I just tweak this other? And I break it.

I'm like, you know what? I'm just going to leave it. It was fine. It was fine. Yeah. Number four is du lingo just because even though I still suck at speaking other languages, it's just, it changed everything. Like gamifying apps started, I think, because of du linko. The widget is awesome.

What happened, Andrew? You look like you're about to say. I thought you said dual, like, D-U-A-L lingo? Or no, no, D-E-U-L lingo. And I was like, do they have like a battle royale version of this? Can't speak English. See, it's funny. Speaking about language apps.

No, but if you're gamifying languages, they should make a foreign language battle royale game. Called dual lingo. Dual lingo. It's time to duel. You just have to like curse at other people. I know that green owl is listening. Send it.

Yeah, their whole team is killing it with the marketing. Number three is an app that I just found and it's already in like my top all time. It's called Stellarium. It's having like a moment on TikTok basically. But it is a, You know those old apps that uses like the accelerometer on the phone and stuff to like see the stars and stuff like that? Yeah. It lets you zoom in and I immediately paid for the pro version because you get high version, high res images of planets and stars and stuff.

So as you look around, you can zoom in on planets and see actual like images. It's super dope. Did you download this like two weeks ago when we were talking about it getting water? Oh, no, no, no. I downloaded it like two weeks ago because I was seeing someone on, it was going viral like on TikTok or something. And someone was like zooming into a picture. And I was like, what the hell?

And then I checked the comments. And they were like, yeah, this isn't a telescope. This is an app. And I immediately downloaded it. I just Googled it. And their web app is unbelievable. Oh, I didn't even know they had a web app. Do I lift my computer up into the sky?

No, he just has to go to the house. But I found a Starlink. That would be crazy. That's wild. Okay. That's good. My number two app is an app called Storygraph, which is basically good reads from Amazon, but buy an independent maker.

Super awesome app. They have a lot of good features that Goodreads doesn't have because Goodreads got purchased by Amazon and Amazon forgot it existed and just hasn't done anything with it for a decade. So Goodreads, I think, is the one that everyone uses just because of like the social graph effect and everything. But highly recommend getting on Storygraph. Jess, my fiance, has found so many great books because like their recommendation algorithm is just amazing. And my number one app is Obsidian because I'm a big note taker guy. And Obsidian is super complex and super complex. super, like you can do a lot with it. It is like a local first only note taking app for desktop

and Android and iOS and all this stuff. But I'm surprised at how much I get on my phone for things that I thought would like not look right or like not format correctly or something like that. Because I used to be an Android, I'm an Android Apple Notes or Samsung Notes guy, but obviously they're locked into an ecosystem. I'm trying to like pick apps that go be everything and I use the I think it's called Forever Notes which is like an Apple notes taking system that lets you link between notes to make Apple notes way more powerful it's a whole thing but I replicated that in obsidian so now basically everything that I need my life is an obsidian so I use obsidian all the

time and I'm always surprised at how much I'm actually able to do on it especially in Dex mode you know now the moments you've all been waiting for top apps from a one Mr. Ellis Rowan. All right. So, guys, as you know, for a long time, iPhone 12 mini, I couldn't install apps on it. December 2025, I get a new phone. So I've been using apps now for three months.

This is huge. Okay. I have a few honorable mentions because I have very fond memories of apps I used in my childhood on the iPod touch just because I feel like that was like a really golden era of like weird dinky apps. Like yeah, the beer app. When we were backstage, yeah, so the beer app because I was going to bring up back being

backstage at a South by Southwest. I installed the beer app on the office iPad and chugged giant beers in front of all you guys and you laughed. Another. Another honorable mention for me that I don't think is still in the app store. and if it is, it's like a shell of its former self. Do you guys remember Urban Spoon? Oh, yeah.

I loved Urban Spoon. I know just a restaurant I went to once. Or no, Urban Spoon was a restaurant slot machine where you entered in how much money you wanted to spend. It would go, what? And then it would give you a restaurant near you. And you'd be like, that's probably eat, I guess. My nightmare.

That reminds me, do you know the app Too Good to Go? Yeah. Yeah. Too Good To Go is kind of like that, too. It just tells you the restaurants that are closing and they'll get rid of, they'll just be getting rid of stuff, and you can get like really big meals for $7 or you can get miso soup for $7. Yeah. You don't know what they're going to give you. It's very random.

Okay. But Ellis's top five. Are you ready? I'm ready. Yep. Number five. Blip. No, I did not include blip on here even though it's just phenomenal. But number five, discogs. It's number five because please integrate the blog posts with the app. I hate that when I click on a blog post, it opens my browser. Wait, what is it? Discogs is like goodread slash letterbox, but for music. So, like, you can keep track. But it's a few other things.

So you can, like, log your record collection. And then also there's like an eBay style buying and selling platform built into it. So, like, you can see someone's collection and then they can list something as like, you know, I'm okay getting rid of this. And then you message them, like, I'll buy this or I'll trade this. And then you can do it all in that. It's very cool. and then there's also like an actual like publication side where they have anyone can upload a blog post and then they have like staff writers that are writing about music articles are very good they're very fun

to read they're very interesting I just remember one time you came up to me this is the only time I've ever heard of it you're like I'm so amped right now it's like why I uploaded an album and it was the first one ever uploaded yeah that was a big day for me when when I bought an album that was so rare. No one had logged it on discogs before. So I got to scan everything and like upload the track listing and spend like an hour of my day being the guy. All right, number four, this is another app that I don't know if it's still in the app store. And if it is, you absolutely should not buy it because it is the biggest, biggest privacy boo-boo of all time. It's called fog of world. And it was this early iOS app that would just destroy your phone's battery by

leaving location on all the time. This is so early in iOS that location was not like on all the time. And essentially it was like a big map and it would just like that would be blank like or like white it out and then as you would go around. Like an RTS. Yeah. And then so you could see every single place you've ever been. And if you travel a lot like I for some reason is doing as a teenager, you could like you would zoom out to

see the whole world and you'd see all these stripes because you could because if you were like me and you said, I don't care about your rules, you would leave your phone off of air, like not on airplane mode on flights, and you get these big stripes across the country. And then there was like, there was achievements for like all the states and countries you visited. And like it would keep track of the total like square mileage

that you've covered and like percent of the world that you've seen. This is a goaded idea, but the app can be top five, you're just leaving your location. Goaded aspirationally. In practice, like nightmare. Utter, utter nightmare. How would this work on your iPhone 12 Mini?

Don't, don't get this app. Don't get this app unless you want the Chinese government to know every single thing about you. Okay, number three, number three, seesaw. Cesar. Number three is Cisaw. Cisaw is like a, it's for galleries in New York City. I don't know. You can see all the art that's on display in New York.

That's it. What is it called? Csaw. Like, you see it, and then after you see it, you saw it. Got it. Like Reddit. I get it. Yeah.

Yeah, I read it on Reddit. I'm quite fond. Like you check off things you've seen? No. It doesn't do that much. It shows you galleries in a map, and it shows you galleries in a list. I like the logo. And that's all it needs to do.

Like, I like apps that do one thing and do it really well. Number two, I have to reopen my list because I can't remember. Oh, number two. The Moment Pro camera. Yeah. Which I am legally required to disclose. They gave me for free. I didn't pay for it.

That's true. So I don't know if I'd feel differently about it, if I did pay for it. But this was not something that I just happened to stumble upon. This was moment saying, Ellis, here's a code. You have the app for free. I didn't like the moment pro camera.

In fact, when I first downloaded, I said, ew, stinky. To be clear, this is our second. This is Moment ProGamer 2. Yeah, this is much better. But then, but then they launched an update where you could save profiles

which is like saves literally every single setting in the thing David I'm air dropping you a photo I took. Why you're not blipping it? Because I can't find you on blip. I can tell you.

Is this one-time payment? Yeah, it's a one-time payment. $10 one-time payment? Listen, if you do the Google Rewards thing, what you call it again? Opinion, you could pay for this. Just load up 20 phones. Let me tell you.

The reason I, I like Moment Pro. Wait, wait, before you describe the photograph. Is this straight out camera? Yeah, yeah. I love Moment Pro camera because I think the iPhone camera, the iPhone 17 Pro camera, forced to be between 640 and 800 ISO is one of the most pleasing things in the world. It like flattens everything.

There's very little dynamic range. There's a nice amount of grain. Almost gives it like a half tone effect. Yes. So David, is the picture I sent you dope as hell? Yeah. And the number one app in the. App Store. The one app I think every single person on planet Earth should download onto their phone

yesterday. Ready? Universal, universally applicable to all human beings. I hope it's talkable. It's going to be eye message or something. The Brooklyn Public Library app. BPL, dude, it just works. It just works. Nothing takes any time at all. If you live in Timbuktu, get a Brooklyn Library Card. Can you do that? Can you get a library card? online or something. No, you gotta go to the... Yeah, right? That's the...

My lazy part of Libby is I haven't gone to the library to actually get the... Well, at least with the Brooklyn Public Library, you need to go to the library. But other libraries... Anyway, this is all to say, dude, the other day, I was like,

oh my God, I think I need to give my library book back. And I opened the app, and within 10 seconds, I saw... I have three more days. I hit the renew button. In zero seconds after hitting the renew, I had 30 more days.

Why are all apps not as good as the thing that costs zero money, the library? I just don't. Anyway, Brooklyn Public Library, back end and front end app team, boy, you're just crushing it. What do they call it BK, LYN? It's not, it's not saving that many letters. It's like WF. Saving a lot of letters. It's literally saving five.

Yeah, it's not that many. That's a lot. It's more than half. For an app icon, that's actually a lot of real estate. It should call it Bookland Public Library. Or just Bookland. Yeah, just Bookland. Yeah.

But how would you know it's a public? What if it was a private library? Because it says book. Oh. Because you can download it. You can call it Bookland Public Library. Booklin. Or just put the R in parentheses.

Anyway, that's Ellis's as someone who is brand new to the world of apps. Nice. Also, let me know what Lutz I should be getting for Moment Pro, Cam, because I I'm starting to play around with Lutz. Nice. I guess then without any further ado. Everyone's number one app. Trivia.

Oh, yes. It took longer for that music to go in than Brooklyn Public Library app did. BK.L.I.N. Biggest news of the week for humanity is we are sending people to the moon today. That's true. We're sending them around the moon.

They're going around the moon. They will be the furthest that humans have ever been away from Earth. Isn't that crazy? I'm scared. Marquez, you can still say you went Niagara Falls if you didn't jump in the water. Okay? But that's different because people have actually been on the moon. Did Katie Perry

go to space? Oh, good question. The definition of space. Yeah, we're going to have to wait until Artemis 4 for people on the moon. Anyway, we're sending people around the moon. Setting people around the moon, they're going to slingshot around Earth, go back to the moon, slingshot around the moon, come back home. It's going to be awesome. You listening to this already know how

the launch went. Today is April 1st at the time recording. We are waiting for the... Wait, when does it? It launches today. It launches today. It launches today. I'm we supposed to get a Tesla roadster announcement today? How much astrophage do they use to get to the moon? Two billion pounds. Okay, but the question is...

Of Kit Katz? Sorry, continue. Artemis 2 mission. That's what it is. It's the Artemis 2 mission. Okay. But did you know that in Greek mythology, Artemis has a twin brother named what?

I don't agree with... Sythromis. Oh, wait, I think I know this. Salkaphafides. You should know this. So this is a Greek mythology question. Nah, I'm wrong. It is, but it isn't.

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So that's Hostinger.com slash Wayform, promo code Wayform for an extra 20% off. Welcome back. Okay, we got a couple of little quick stories for you guys. There was some fairly big news. It could be big news to you or it could be just like a nothing burger news to you. Define big. You know, the amount of Kit Katz that were stolen on the road this week. Okay, so the news is that Apple is opening up Swift as a programming language for Android,

which is fairly big, maybe. I asked a friend of the show Christian Selig about this, a famous developer for many different apps, including Apollo for Reddit, which is no longer available. And he said, I don't think you can use it for a UI yet, can you? So kind of eh, being able to write general algorithmic stuff in the same across iOS Android is cool. But until you can do the whole thing in Swift, I don't know if it's going to bring over many iOS developers. For instance, especially if I just am able to blast through Kotlin with modern LLMs. has it yeah

this is a text so it's kind of complicated if just being able to blast through Kotlin with modern LLMs hasn't done it for people for whatever reason so I guess what he's saying is like Kotlin is just so standard now and you can use modern LLMs to code things that like Swift is not that big would deal

so maybe it's not a big deal I guess if you just like tell Claude which just got leaked but if you tell Claude to like look at this Kotlin code and make it Swift maybe that's what he means? Like, does that, does it work? I guess.

I refuse to mention anything about software engineering because I don't want to get yelled at. That's fair. I, yeah. If you think this was a big deal, let us know. Was it? I ain't reading all that.

Congratulations or sorry that happened. Yeah. It's funny because Swift used to sort of be the like, oh, we're just making our iOS apps in Swift. And like, I'm sorry, we only have an iOS app because we can't port it to Android, whatever. And so now, you have less of a reason not to, I suppose.

But I'm just like, what's their angle? I don't quite understand, but also, like, I thought one of the big selling points of Swift is how easy it plugs into the Apple APIs, which give you hardware access. So, like, how does... Yeah, and that's probably why it's not as big of a deal. Yeah, like, can you port over something that is using, like, the face ID API or, like... You'd probably have to configure that separately. You'd have to be, like, Claude.

Yeah, yeah. I think... Yeah, who knows? I mean, we were thinking, what was the meta one where you can code for both in it? React Native. React Native, yeah. Yeah, and a lot of people, like, don't like React Native. So I think Apple maybe saw an opportunity there.

But like Christian said, if you can just, you know, vibe code through Totlin, then it's whatever. So just wanted to mention that. I think this would have been cooler, like, two years ago. Yeah, two years ago. Like, now I don't, I feel like they just had this waiting. And then now that everyone just does it with AI anyway, they're like, okay, sure, release it. Like, who cares? Yeah.

All right, Andrew. All right, I'm about to crash out. I'm ready. Not really. Okay. If you know about whoop, we've talked about it on this podcast before. There it is. Nice.

There it is. I like your big who cares. Whoever added that. That was me. It said big whoop. What the fuck? What? That was straight up me.

No, it wasn't. No, it was. Look at the document history. I just typed. Oh, you typed in Slack three days ago. Yeah, well, I tweeted it five years ago. Actually, yeah. Okay.

Once again. whoop just announced that they just got evaluated at $10.1 billion, which is three times more than the premium valuation. That's a lot of money. That is a big fake number. Listen, I've used a bunch of wearables. My stupid bed tracks my sleep. I pay attention to all sorts of different activity trackers.

I've been down this rabbit hole, and the more I think about whoop, the more I can't just not think whoop is a marketing company and not really an activity tracker company. And I just, I don't know. Everyone's always like, oh, my whoop, it's so cool. It has the best statistics ever. And it's so much better than all the other ones, which just reminds me of all the people who have Mac and are like, oh, Mac is so much easier than Windows.

That's why I bought it, which just feels like something they marketed really well. And now you believe that. And there are probably some really niche people who, like the whooops. I know some people like it because they like to wear a regular watch. But the fact that this stupid little tracker, one has a notification motor, but can't notify me when I get actual notifications. Sounds wild. It can't tell me the time. And this shit. If you want, whoop 5.0 is somewhere between $239 and $359 a year, depending on what features you want. And you aren't paying monthly. You have to pay yearly. So at a certain point, this just feels like the

Planet Fitness like uh scam scam pretty much like uh yeah it feels like they're just doing the planet fitness thing where it's like you pay up front for a year and you lock into a year contract and then they hope you basically just forget about it after you submit that was the blip sound i happen on my computer i happen to know that that's the blip sound the blip sound um david david blip the computer that's recording the way for podcast right i'm sorry That's happened so many times on this spot. It's a nice time, though, I've got to say.

A big reason they're probably at this evaluation right now is because they just became a perk on Chase Sapphire, which is like one of the most popular credit cards in the country, which means I'm sure thousands of thousands of people went, oh, I get a free Woot membership, I'm going to sign up and then put that shit in a drawer one month later and never think about it again. You get one year. You get a year because you have to sign up for a year.

So you get a year for free. Yeah. I mean, a ton of people. people on Twitter were saying this. I've seen this so many times. I think activity trackers, I don't know about you all, but the second most popular question I get about different, like, consumer technology after phones is an activity tracker. They're super popular now. Garmin's, Apple watches, whoops I get asked about all the time. And every single person that has ever asked me about it and bought one has given up with it within two months. I mean, it's a small,

that's anecdotal evidence, but I don't know. I hate these stupid things. I might be the number one whoop-hater, but... I have a hot take. Yeah. A lot of people are like, oh, I don't need much from my activity tracker. I just need to track my steps. Your phone already does that. Sure.

Yeah. Why do you need to... You don't need the other stuff. Here's my thing about whoop, though, is if you want to, the thing I use on my Garmin the most is in the gym, I just have like the heart rate level, you know, like levels one through five. And that's what I look the most at. Zones.

Yeah, thank you. Whoop, you can't see it. any of the stuff unless your phone is out at the gym. Because you all, it's no screen, everything you have to track on your screen. See, but I would argue that's the benefit. I want to put my phone down in the gym. No, but you can work out without looking at any screens. Like, that's why I like to.

I know, but I like looking at my heart rate zones in the middle. Like, that's how I time my workouts is do a work out you're doing. Do a lift or do a, I used to do when I was climbing. It's like, do it heart rate up, wait for heart rate to go down. No, I'm ready for the next time. And I'm like properly rested in between. Yes, but a lot of the thing that. who does differently and or at least used to because now everyone has this but it used to be recovery

that was their thing exactly you work out you have the watch on the other wrist whatever body battery and yeah and garment's body battery do you know it has it athletic for two dollars a month yeah athletic and it's like almost one to one replica of it so i don't know and first of all all of these things are toys none of these are really that important listen to our episode with dr mike about activity trackers. It's I am fully in for it of turning health into a game and if that helps you be healthy, be healthy, that's great

but there's so many better options than these stupid whoop bands. They're not comfortable either. They're really annoying to have this big plastic but there aren't any other options. There are some other ones I haven't gotten to try. There's another one I forget it's called it's like a hundred bucks no subscription. It looks exactly like a whoop.

They've just dominated that exact space of like, well there's a bunch of different. There's like the people like the rings, the aura rings, and all those, and then there's all the competitors to that, which is just like, I want a minimal thing. Then there's the small band with no screen, which they've dominated, but there's also Fitbits,

and there's other things that do that. And they have, you know, the most customers and maybe the most data, and maybe the most accuracy, who knows. Then you have the thing with a screen from the Garmin watch, the Apple Watch, and then people want to be able to look at their heart rate while they're working out.

That's a space dominated by one player. And so there's a bunch of different versions of these. The $10 billion, I don't even know, I don't really care about the $10 billion, but it is interesting that, like, All I really use it for, and this is someone who actively trains and constantly looks at the data, is to like gamify and try to make sure I hit certain metrics or hit certain numbers. The whole thing we talk about with Dr. Mike is it might tell you you didn't hit your number or you, you know,

oh, you got a bad sleep score today. So you start to feel worse because you saw the number was worse. And then that's a whole cycle that you spiral into. That's not ideal. But, yeah, I think Woop is like, I don't know how else to, it's like the default for I just want, it's either that or Fitbit. I just want a fitness tracker that can tell me at the end of the day if I did enough and if I should be feeling better the next day. I think I agree with Andrew because I do think there's a part of like the whoop ethos. I don't know if it was like this at the beginning,

but it's definitely like this now. Just because like so many like big time CEOs and celebrities who feel like they can't be seen with a smart watch either for like PR reasons. They don't want to be seen as endorsing the specific company reasons, like choose whoop as their fitness tracker. Like if you, I feel like I, especially it's South by, I feel like whenever I saw either a picture or like some sort of famous person, they were all wearing whoops. I think it is sort of a thought of as like the, if you're at a certain status level, whoop is the only option. Their endorsements of athletes are gigantic. Marquez, do you know like Equinox? Yeah, I was literally just going to make it.

I would associate Whoop with like the equinox crowd. Is that because it's way more expensive than Fitbit? I think it's six of one, half a dozen of the other. It's because it's the high price point option. And then it's just because it's associated with this level of prestige where I can't be seen with a clearly branded product. And I know at this point, Woop is a clearly branded product. But at the same time, it's sort of an unbranded product in the sense that there are pretty much no identifying details. So I do think if you're the kind of person who,

wants to be thought of as part of the CEO, high prestige crowd. It's interesting. It's a status thing for sure. It's like I care about the absolute minutia of metrics about my body and I'm going to push it to the extreme. And I don't think it gives any extra information than any other thing. But their marketing has. It's also totally an if you know, you know, product.

You know what I mean? Like I totally think it's a marketing. I just think the yearly, it used to be worse. Well, I guess you would get discounts, but like you signed it for two or three years at a time. It just feels predatory at this point. It is definitely doing the Planet Fitness model of like, hey, look, here's a time in your life right now. You want to be healthy, buy this thing and then realize a month into it. Like, I don't care if you give up because I already got a year's worth of your money out of it.

You're freaking me out because I was going to sign up for Planet Fitness today. And now you're making me feel like I maybe shouldn't. The hardest thing about Planet Fitness is canceling it. Yeah, I would say I wouldn't want to like shun people away from fitness track. And like trying to. There's a lot of people who are looking to take a first step in fitness who don't really know where to start. And this is a thing. Well, it's one of the many things that you can try that can give you some information that you don't know before.

Like you have your phone in your pocket. That can tell you your steps. I have no idea what my heart rate is until I'm wearing a wearable. There's a ton of choices. This is one of them. Yeah. And then it's just all positioning. Like, yeah, they're going to have ads with celebrities.

I think aura ring kind of does some of the same stuff. You literally have a gold ring on which is like this unbranded thing. So there's different positioning moves. I'm not as familiar with Whoop because I don't use one and I don't know which metrics they're showing. I assume they're at least decently accurate because they're not getting inflamed for accuracy. But yeah, I have an Apple Watch and I follow maybe five or six of the metrics.

And I know they're not accurate. I've done the step-counting things and I know they're not accurate. I've done the heart rate stuff. I know the Carolic Killers aren't accurate. But it's just something to have to focus on slash GameFi. get in that world. And if you can get one that's not hundreds of dollars a year with a mandatory 12-month subscription, that's probably ideal. Speaking of which, Breaking News two hours ago, Fitbit is going to be launching a Woop-like product that does not have a screen two hours ago.

It is April Fool's Day. Well, sure, but Steph Curry put out a video where he is wearing a band without a screen on it. And he says, he describes it as a first of its kind product. before saying that he doesn't want to spoil what it is. Definitely not first time it's gone because we've brought it up based on something else, which is fine. Selfishly, I'm just hyped for this because I like wearing real watches and that means that I can't wear an Apple watch and Garmin watch. This is not real?

I mean, it tells time, so it's real. You know what I'm wearing, like, actual watches? You know what they need to make? They need to make whoop, but it's just the band for an actual watch. There's, Alex saw something. the other day that's essentially a puck that would go under your normal watch and have... Oh yeah, specifically for Casios.

Yeah. But I want like if the band of your watch was basically a whoop and it got the information from like below your wrist or whatever. I think I've seen something like that. And then you could wear it on whatever watch you want. Is that the best place to get the information? Yeah, but I also wouldn't want to like wear my actual watch

in the gym, you know, like, or to sleep because I like bigger watches usually. I like the whoop and now this new Fitbit thing, like the reason I've been liking these bands is because I can wear them on the other wrist and just forget about them. And they have such crazy battery life. I don't have to think about them. I've gotten to the point where I mostly only like looking at heart rate zones

and getting my notifications on it because I just don't like my phone ever vibrating or doing anything. I'm so close to just giving up on a smart watch. But then I have to change my phone more often. I do it for the- Or look at my phone more often. I do it for the exact same things. Or heart rate and then like a timer, like if I'm doing like a plank.

I like that. Oh, okay. You know. But I'm right there with you. Like the only time, literally the only time I ever go back and check my recorded data is to find out how many days did I work out this week? Which I could literally do with a fridge and a marker or your brain. Yeah, a lot of it is, I usually frame it as it's all comparative. So like I know that the calorie counter in the Apple Watch is not accurate.

But if I want to know if my workout today was actually harder than the workout I did last week, I can see if it was a higher or lower number. that's like kind of as much as I can get out of it. My issue is the whoop people will be like, know everything in this is gospel. It feels like I've seen some people online talking about whooping like, this is the most accurate. This is so much better than everything else

with zero sources or real information based on that. Just like, I'm better than you. Therefore, this better. I don't know. There's probably people out there who love whoop. There's, again, I don't want to vilify this as like, if this is what helps you work out. Do it. Who cares what that price is?

But I don't like Whoop. Big Whoop. 10 billion, my butt. Stock market's fake. What Open AI just got? I think Who should give a $10 billion investment to Open AI. Who then can give it to Invidia, who then can give it to Oracle, who then can give it to Whoop. I have an announcement.

What? I am pledging $50 billion to Open AI over the next 50 years. Nice. And it's buying intent, right? Yeah, no, this is just, this is the speculative intent. Intent. It's part of an investment package called The Pinky Promise. Oh, wait, no, that's actually serious.

Yeah, you can't break that. Yeah, that's legally binding. Yeah. It's also, it is April 1st. Oh, right, true. That's why. Not when this comes out. This is so bad.

Well, RAM prices are actually collapsing right now. And the reason is because everyone thought that Open AI had purchased 40% of the world's RAM supply for 2026. Turns out, no. Sam Altman just signed an intent to purchase, which is not actually a legally-minded thing. And then Open AI is like, actually, we don't need the RAM. And so now RAM prices are crashing.

Thank God. We can finally have our Steam deck at a reasonable, a Steam box at a regional price. Maybe. They'll keep the same. Yeah. They have made more money on it. They have actually reduced the prices of RAM quite a bit.

They've crashed a lot. Good to know. It's pretty awesome. Rare good news. Rare good news. Very nice. But you know, what hasn't crashed and remains at an all-time high? Trivia.

I don't know how that would. Not my trivia points. My points have been crashing over the last three months. Oh, they've been steady. They've been steady. That's the problem. They haven't gone up at all, but that's fine. Guys, which iPhone was left at a bar and subsequently leaked by Gizmoto?

What do you think, Andrew? I don't want to give you guys the answer. answers. What am I second guessing myself? You're sure? You really should not second guess to yourself. I'm pretty sure. This would be pretty embarrassing.

It would be. Just going to throw it out there. I'm pretty sure. I'm right. I don't think anyone would be able to take you seriously if you got this wrong. Oh my gosh. That's what I like to see. Okay.

Everyone, if you all wrote the same thing? Would you like to read the answer at the same time? one, two, three. iPhone 4. Wait, David wrote Sauer. I wrote in cursor. It's the 4. It was, in fact, the iPhone 4.

But I had a moment where I was like, is it the 4S? Nah. But no, it was the new design. Because it was huge design. The new design. Yeah. iPhone 4 was the one where they changed the outside, and iPhone 4S was the one where the inside sort of became the... TikTok.

The modern iPhone. On the clock. I'm going to do this score update this time. But you already give them that point? Sweet. Oracle. Marquez. Yes.

Cabusin it with 20 points. Cooking. Andrew. Smack dab in the middle. Sammy Nestico tune. 21 points. David. King David.

Biblical King David. Didn't he get his head chopped off or something? I don't think so. Okay. Don't Google it. That was our list. Just revel in the mystery of whether he might have gotten his head chopped off or not. Andorra's head.

No. Schrodinger's head. Schrodinger's head. And D'Oras. 24 points. How am I smack dab at the middle? Because you're in between them. But not smack dab.

You're technically the median. You are technically. You're a point and a half away. I'll give you a point and a half right now so you're smack dab in the middle. I'm just kidding. April Fool. All right. Here's Adam for the space question.

Artemis has a twin brother named what? Let's go. Fun fact, guys, the mission is called Artemis because they're not, they're going to do like the gravity assist, like they're not landing on the moon, so they're going to miss. Are they going to miss? That's why they call it that. I don't even know enough of these names to just guess on this one. No, that's the rock guy. Dwayne, the Dwayne Dwayne.

I don't know it. Let me read, what do you got? Discovery. I wrote Discovery. That doesn't sign Greek to me. Yeah, it doesn't. That is not it. I wrote Zeus.

At least it's Greek. I'm probably wrong. Is it? I wrote, yeah. I wrote Gem and I. Wrong guys. Twins. Apollo.

Damn. It was right there. I should have that. It's really right. I know slash like about Apollo. I'm so glad I got to watch your reaction when you got that wrong, because I knew it would piss you off. Nice.

Wow. Well, you know, another learning experience on the pod. Wait, Apollo Twin. Can we call... I got Apollo Twin. Can we call it Artemis, then? Is your... Apollo's Twin is Artemis.

Why can I think... Is your Universal Audio interface actually... It's called the Apollo Twin, which is the Artemis. Whoa. That's wild. That's crazy. I hate that. Well, now we know.

I'm going to study up on Greek mythology for next week's trivia just in case. But hey, leave your comments on why, who had the best top five apps list? I want to know in the comments section. Now that you made it this far, you've heard all of our top five abs lists. Who had the best list? Comment below. And why was it me? It's probably a. Adam, yeah.

Thanks for watching. Catch you guys next week in April. Peace. Bye. Wayform is produced by Adam Alina and Ellis River, a partner of Vox Media Podcast Network, and our director of music was created by Vane Sill. Quick pick up. Yeah.

Twin brother. There we go. That's it. Trivia this week. Twin brother. How are you going to cut that? Wait. It's all up here.

Oh, I think I know.