Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Paying for Twitter Verification?

Episode Date: November 4, 2022

There was a lot that happened this week! First, Marques and Andrew discuss the madness that has been going on with Twitter and Elon Musk. Then they talk about the Metaverse before reminiscing about smartphone features that they miss. Lastly, we wrap up with some trivia! Vox survey: www.vox.com/podsurvey Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Links: Who Cares about the Metaverse video: https://bit.ly/whometaverse Casey Newton tweet: https://bit.ly/caseynewtontweet1 Twitters: Waveform: https://twitter.com/wvfrm Marques: https://twitter.com/mkbhd Andrew: https://twitter.com/andymanganelli Adam: https://twitter.com/adamlukas17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wvfrmpodcast/ Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'm Marques. And I'm Andrew. And this week, we've got a bunch of interesting mega company stuff to talk about. We have some metaverse thoughts. And we have a video out on the metaverse now. We can dive into the weeds on that. We can go into some smartphone features that we might miss miss a little bit of a game i hear and then also we're gonna wrap it all up with everyone's favorite trivia so be sure to wait till the end but first can elon turn twitter into an s-tier

social media is that so i have like two things to talk about do you want to go straight off of your tweet on twitter platform i guess that's a yeah okay cool so you tweeted uh was it last night it was last night i guess first we have to just mention just in case you haven't heard elon has bought twitter good useful background information yes there's lots of social media platforms out there twitter publicly held company had a bunch of leadership elon musk swoops in buys twitter i i don't know if it would he swooped multiple uh it's very confusing there's a reason we haven't really covered it because it's been all over the place complicated um yeah there would be days where we would think about talking about it and

then we didn't and then the next day everything changed so it's it's hard even some of the stuff today we're recording on tuesday what we say today might not be true on friday there's a pretty good chance that this episode comes out and there's something else that happened. Imagine Elon's not even the owner by Friday. It wouldn't be a surprise. As of this recording, he walked in with a sink and said, let that sink in. And I think we're just going to go ahead and say he's in.

He's in. He's doing things. But really, my question. So I tweeted last night, YouTube is, maybe it's a hot take. I night youtube is maybe it's a hot take i don't know if it's a hot take i didn't actually think it was that hot of a take but it got some reactions youtube is still the only s-tier social media platform i don't think it's a hot take we've talked about it before and we agreed i think the reason it felt like a hot take there is because you posted it on twitter which and then is because you posted it on Twitter,

which when you post it on a site, that site will probably defend it. If I posted it on Instagram, I'm pretty sure Instagram fans would have said, hey, this is not so bad out here. No one would have seen it because there would have been 40 suggested posts before and no one would have been there. They would have left the stories

because reels and instant ads would have gotten in the way. I guess I'll just explain why I said it, which is like, obviously, I've been making YouTube videos for a long time. There's a bunch of different perspectives that that make a platform or a social media site. S tier for me, it has to be from the viewer platform, there's lots of content, it has to be from the creator side, lots of tools, lots of advertising revenue opportunities and things like that and they all sort of merge together into like a place that people actually enjoy spending time and using it uh twitter's pretty good but like much fewer people use it and it

doesn't have nearly as many good useful tools especially if you're trying to build a business on it that's one of the things i consider important for a social media platform facebook we all know about that meta's creation used to be very highly thought of and now is sort of a a back i mean this is people my age would say yeah it's a background account you don't delete because you still only know certain people through what they post on facebook exactly like family members and stuff. Um, you know, there's Instagram. We know what that is. There's Tik TOK. We know what that is. There's Snapchat, maybe a little underrated, but we know what that is and what it was. Be real. Have you used be real? We've, um, we've used it in the office before, but it was months and months ago. So it was very buggy. It seems like it's fixed some of it. And part of me wants to start with some of the people in the office again.

I do know people that use it. I do think it's an, I've said before, I actually think it's a really good idea. It feels like the, what beam could have been. Right. I,

I actually think it's really cool. But again, I think Instagram or Tik TOK or someone have already tried to steal it and they're going to steal it. Giving me notifications already. Exactly. If I were B rule, B-roll i would get acquired right now so they don't turn into like clubhouse which was should have gotten acquired but they didn't and yeah that's the that's the argument remember that question that age-old question is it a feature or a platform clubhouse turns out it's a feature it was it's just built into seven other things now

but i don't want to stray too too far away from here because i kind of wanted to focus this on twitter and while we don't first of all what tier would you put twitter in if youtube's s tier good question current twitter current twitter is c tier okay i hard agree with you on that one i would love to disagree but i think we're both kind of on the same page here. And I think let's say some hypotheticals of what we think could make Twitter S tier. Yeah. So like Elon being a part of it now has a lot of people hoping things are going to change with it. Keep in mind, it's still a public company, still has to like try to run as a business and make decisions that float it as a company and maybe make money

someday yeah so that's still gonna have to happen in the background but yeah i think one of the things we hope to see more is well i'm gonna say more features just as like a blanket thing like it's twitter has started a super simple you would just text it and it would post for you and it had to be 140 characters or less now there's photos there's videos, now there's polls and all sorts of things. And obviously you can follow people. Maybe, maybe there's more features to Twitter, that sort of work in the Twitter sphere. Trending topics and being a video platform can evolve. Like we have Instagram reels, TikTok, YouTube shorts shorts and twitter is just kind of like you can upload videos yeah and if you find like you follow people who upload videos and that's the only

way you'll see videos but maybe they can surface videos more than just trending topics um yeah i don't know that's that's sort of the base stuff that comes out of my head quick side note twitter's a private company now it's still trading bought them and it's still trading on the is it actually it was taken off thursday i believe okay i'll double check but i'm pretty sure it's a private either way it doesn't matter they gotta make money yeah we'll see what happens there and and we're saying they have to make money knowing that elon has already tweeted like twitter's i'm not buying this to make money like sure he can say that as many times as he wants ultimately even if he doesn't want to like make record profits with it in order to keep it alive it has to make money and that's something we'll talk about in a couple

minutes because there's a few other things he said that we want to talk about but right now if we're talking about what Twitter could do better um I like your idea of features and when I think of videos like I wouldn't want it to go straight into like reels and like, you know, swiping through a million videos at a time. But it would be really cool if somehow like popular tweets that you were looking at that had a lot of engagement or even popular videos that were in those tweets had some sort of like I could see suggested videos that are similar to it of other tweets that are on the platform, being able to very quickly go into other sides of the platform to it of other tweets that are on the platform being able to very quickly go

into other sides of the platform to see what other people are thinking yeah yeah that's like that's like an old youtube thing like yeah you finish a video and more video suggestions recommended yeah related videos that's a super obvious one um and also what was i i was just about to say something oh spam oh yeah sure there's like so much of a there's obviously a spam problem and maybe we'll talk about the verification thing in a second but the uh the problem of like a popular user tweeting and then a bunch of impersonating accounts also were swooping into the replies for sure and scamming people that would be nice if it was less rampant youtube's had to deal with this too they've done a really good job lately it took them a little while it took some poking it took enough of like YouTuber creators speaking up about it I made a

video just about comment spam but as of today it's much better than it was so they eventually got around to figuring it out and they continue to evolve because you know spammers don't just sit still they're going to try to figure out better ways to get around it. Exactly. So, you know, there's something to that. Yeah. I would say real quick one more, like, ultimately, and this is something that's not going, I don't know how they're going to solve it. But I think the biggest issue with Twitter is just it is seemingly one of the smaller social media sites in terms of active users. And it has to grow somehow. It's really weird it is true that it has a small

user base of people relative to the other giants like if you compare it to youtube facebook tiktok whatever instagram but it seems like everyone important is already on it i think that makes sense the thing is it almost feels to me like the people who are on it are people trying to follow other people that they are either like fans of or want news from or like like so i'm on it because the tech space right now i like to follow everyone in tech but then i'm also making sure i'm following a lot of publishing things like the verge and all the other tech blogs and it feels like I'm trying to like just keep tabs on different people, influencers, like large creators, conversations pretty much or what they're thinking.

It's a personal thing almost. Right. But less like people, you know, in real life. But there is very few people I know in real life that I'm conversing with there. It's because those people I have, those are Facebook, those are Instagram, stuff like that. Normally, I would say that that's how you get more people to get onto a platform is you need to get more of the big publishers and interesting people to join so that it makes regular people want to join. But it seems like instead of maybe Facebook, for example, let's say all your friends are on it, but you don't really care about following the New York Times on Facebook. If you think of like any publisher, they have a Twitter and they tweet all their stuff.

That's what I like. And if you think of any, almost any celebrity or politician specifically, they all have a Twitter and they all tweet stuff. they all have a twitter and they all tweet stuff and then regular people quote those tweets and share those tweets and those tweets become news and like when an earthquake strikes somewhere the first place i find out about it is like boom seven new tweets showed up at the top of my timeline they're all people from the same area that felt the earthquake like that's how breaking news happens usually in my world so i'm like a lot of people use twitter but it still is it has this like this outsized relevance relative to its actual like amount of people using it yeah i mean we also like in our space twitter's super popular in the tech world just

like and the creator world as well in general or maybe not even in the creator world as much there are a lot of people that i follow that aren't in tech that don't have twitters which is kind of crazy to me but i do like you said the kind of like live super fast-paced updates is what i like about twitter and i think that is better for people who are kind of like enthusiasts like say you're a new york times reader if you just read it every once in a while maybe you're not on Twitter but if you read it and have a journalist on the New York Times that you really like you're probably on Twitter so you can follow that author and then see their random other thoughts and stuff like that because you generally think I like this person's articles I like their point of view I would like to see

what else they're they enjoy maybe some live tweets of i mean like there's people who are live tweeting court cases and stuff like that you might be interested there's people who are live tweeting uh weather events and such like that live tweeting tech event live tweet is awesome like that's what i like but i think it caters way more to the enthusiasts whereas instagram's way more just like on a personal level yeah i a tech live event is an interesting thing too because like an apple event let's say happens some people i will see will be live sharing things that happen on their instagram stories they're not posting to the feed every two seconds when a new thing gets announced but they're posting a new story every you know a little bit

and that's one way of doing it a lot of other people that i also see are just like especially me when there's like a bunch of announcements and things that are coming out at once i'm just live tweeting the things that get unveiled and that's another way to do it that happens a lot and then there's like just following a live blog and i wonder what is the most mass consumer way and what's the nerdiest way on that spectrum i figure the live blog is actually the nerdiest way but maybe twitter live tweets weird i think live blog is like the most chronological way of doing it because twitter then like when you are live tweeting an apple event if like the apple watch ultra comes out and then 20 minutes later i don't know maybe they just announce the the regular iphone 14 like

the ultra thing is going to be on chronologically above it because it's going to get so much more engagement. But that engagement and the conversation that happens is probably not happening in a live blog. And I kind of think the nerdier enthusiast people like to have those conversations underneath it, which is why I love Twitter so much. Yeah, a tweet shows up and then right underneath it

is all of people's public reactions to it, comments to it, replies, quote tweets, people getting ratioed left and right. All of it's happening right there in front of you and you can just choose to just jump in anywhere and just engage with it. Yep. Other than if it was an Instagram story, you wouldn't see any of that. You would just see the image and then click, click, click, click and move on. If it was a live blog, you would just see the posts, click, click, click, click, move

on. So yeah, having the, I mean, I guess you could post on facebook and have comments but i would say twitter in terms of like but twitter has a better in uh conversation engagement platform if that makes any sense but compared to like youtube and instagram is the worst to attempt to like see an actual conversation happen in the comments it basically is impossible well you can't even have a conversation you can reply to other reply to a comment and that's kind of it and it's a total mess same with tiktok it's like twitter at least has some form of threading and i think like twitter is like the faster paced reddit and maybe like slightly slower discord if you can't physically be like at your computer just like straight up typing in a live chat yeah which i think is

the best part about twitter ultimately is being able to have some of those conversations all right so a rumor i guess has come up that's kind of been confirmed maybe that or at least replied to yet maybe one of the ways twitter will try to make money is they will start charging people for twitter verification now i don't know about all the details of this i assume you can't just hand them 20 bucks and get a blue check. That wouldn't make any sense. That's what I want to talk about.

I believe you will have to complete the verification process and also pay, which there's a bunch of verified users on Twitter. It's not enough to like turn a profit, but it is some money, which is interesting. Would you pay for Twitter verification? First, let me quickly go over how we got to this point, what was happening on Twitter, so we can discuss what is a rumor and what we're speculating on. So essentially,

I believe it was Casey Newton reported that Twitter was going to start, was thinking of the idea of charging people $20 a month to be verified. So that report comes out, lots of conversation happens. And the reason I think we can think that this is correct knowledge is because first of all, there was a poll that someone said, how much would you pay to be verified and have a blue check mark on Twitter? $5 a month, $10 a month, 15 or wouldn't pay. 80% of people said wouldn't pay. And then Elon responded, interesting. Probably not the numbers he wants to see. But that's also those people who-

That's a million votes too. That means most of those people aren't verified. And of course they wouldn't pay. Very good chance, for sure. And then after that, somebody else was complaining about paying $20. I think it was Stephen King, the author was talking about not paying $20. I think it was Stephen King, the author was talking about paying,

not paying $20 a month. So Twitter, okay. And then Elon responded, we have to make money somehow, which again, for everyone way back there who may have said like, Elon doesn't care about money, like they have to make money somehow.

He literally said it on Twitter. He said, how about $8 a month? And then explained that after that, he replied again um along the lines of negotiating in the comments basically negotiating in the comments of a stephen king they're just gonna keep bargaining you down they're never gonna stop they all said zero by the way so that's that's why we're at this like pretty confirmed that this was at least talked about and high up enough that elon thinking about it. So I think it's a

reasonable thing to think might happen. Now, like you said, we don't know. Is that going to be, I pay $20 a month, I get a blue check mark? Is that going to be, I'm verified already, I pay $20 a month, how do people get verified after that? All of that stuff is kind of up in the air and we're definitely speculating on but first of all i can't say this uh you asked me would i pay 20 i'm not verified i could say no and but it doesn't really matter at all right i because i think as a as a person that's verified and uses the verified features and appreciates the verified tab where like you can see other verified notifications as like subset of your notifications.

And also, as someone who gets impersonated quite a bit on the internet, I would pay a lot more than $20 a month to make sure I'm the only MKBHD verified on Twitter. I don't want other people to be able to be verified on Twitter as MKBHD or as Marques Brownlee. I would pay. $20 a month is more than Netflix. It's so much more than so many other things that offer so much more than that. That's the thing. So we keep saying like, there's all these things,

there's all these people on Twitter, but there's also all these organizations on Twitter. How much would the New York Times pay to be verified? I would be super down to make organizations pay for a blue check mark. Sure, but then you have to like distinguish. Are we an organization? Is MKBHD an organization?

Is a small publisher i think your twitter is not an organization if we made it into an organization yeah like the studio would pay more than me because it's an organization here's the thing there are journalists out there who are not making enough money that should be verified that are that are accurate representations of of media that should be verified that are that are accurate representations of of media that should be verified and asking 20 a month is ridiculous they should have whoever they're a journalist for pay there are plenty of news and i think there are way too many like independent media organizations that they are barely surviving and $20 a month is like is pretty brutal for verification on Twitter I think it's I just don't agree with it at all I think there are places

where maybe it should be paid for maybe big organizations but again you have to draw the line which makes it so much more complicated and yeah that's it's just like I know I know people like Isaac has started his whole thing with tangle and and he was verified due to being a journalist before but when he decided to take that leap and like go make his own website so he could do like independent try like news journalism asking him to immediately start paying 20 a month is it's rough yeah it depends on what you're paying for already i think there's a lot of things that you like, you have to weigh it against, like, does being verified get you

anything or is it worth anything to you at that point? Or if you're just getting started, maybe you don't have being verified on your priorities, but when you start to grow, then you get impersonated more. And then you start to think, I do actually want to be verified and have to go through the process. Now that's a question. It's definitely a question what does verification matter um i mean like i'm not verified i don't care that much oh sure i would love it sure at this point i just want it before if they make you pay 20 so then i cannot pay for it and say hell yeah i didn't grandfathered in yeah yeah they're definitely not gonna grandfather us i i don't think so um i don't know it's it's a tricky situation but also on top of all of this i just want to throw out there that one of the things elon has mentioned multiple multiple times is that

he wants to authenticate all humans on twitter which if that were to happen why does verification matter at all authenticate all humans on twitter so just make sure everyone that has an account and is a human has to prove they're human i know where you're going with this already but in terms of just verification right now what like would that ultimately null it out like why do i need to be verified if elon is already verifying me as a human by being on twitter oh just by being on twitter at all you can't be on twitter if you're not a verified human i guess he's the one who said i'll find the exact uh yeah i guess yeah if you're a if you're the owner of twitter you would like to make sure that there's no bots on twitter you'd

like to make sure there's no spammers very people making tons of accounts that go around and spam comments, replies, impersonating people. You don't want that to happen on Twitter. So those accounts should not have a verified check mark. But also, yeah, those accounts should not exist in a dream world. But I guess that's two different levels of security. Like number one, if you have the verified check, you're definitely a human. And then if you don't have the verified check, you're definitely a human. And then if you don't have the verified check, you might be a human. And we're working on getting rid of the ones that aren't humans. I guess that's the tiers. It's, yeah, spam accounts, people, and then definitely people or brands or whoever else is verified.

I don't know. Do you think that your Twitter account is going to get plugged into the sort of Tesla sphere of things in the same way that if you have a Prime account, you can use it when you check out at Whole Foods? I think that there's an inevitable crossover. Yeah. So there's been some sort of visions of the future of what a Twitter account might be, which might be more than just a Twitter account. It could be an account that's connected to you know other services you use to your bank to your groceries i don't know if there's big companies that do things like that um that would be one way to get a lot more people to use twitter if there's real utility to having a twitter account it's something elon's mentioned before i forget i want to say it was an interview with, oh man, what's that one Tesla blog? Not Teslarati. Why can't I think?

I don't know. He's had an interview and he said, he essentially is like, we don't have a WeChat in the US. WeChat runs everything in China. Yeah, that's awesome. I would like to do something. Listen, I'm throwing, maybe not an exact quote but very similar so but but similar to what you're talking about is it would turn twitter into something with far more features and an everyday life kind of thing and um you trust me what you thought is exactly what i thought

okay so so that idea but not run by the government if it's actually good is something that people would pay for theoretically if it's actually a useful commodity account i think paying for it would oh man we're really in the like people love it but it's youtube premium is like 14 bucks a month or something like that just to have access to the content netflix is 13 bucks a month just to have access to the content hulu well whatever it is twitter blue youtube's not access to content it's like ad free access right access to ad free content there's a little tiny bit of premium content yeah um i guess the idea would be to build up as much interesting useful features on twitter as possible that you could actually

get people to want to pay for and i think that's a much better way of going for making money than um i think a regular verification process the thing verification should be uh i don't know if i necessarily want to use the term trustworthy news sources but like news sources that could potentially be uh duped and like making sure that you're following the correct person in those sources and it doesn't always have to be news but just like you know somebody that somebody would want to follow making sure they're the correct person yeah i guess i always thought like verification for me was always just about being impersonated that was always i mean that's pretty much what we're that's why i don't want to use the term trustworthy because there there are plenty of people who are

yeah there's plenty of morons that you that can be verified your words not mine you're verified it's you're the you're definitely that moron you're the only one that can say you're that guy but as long as there's not a bot moron trying to scam you exactly i'm the real moron not the bot moron no i think i my uh my rule number one on the internet as i've always come back to saying is don't charge people for something that was previously free so if you're elining or listening to this coming up with new things to add value to Twitter and having people pay for those will be much better accepted than trying to go, hey, that verification thing that we've already been running for free. Yeah, we're going to make people pay for that now. That's the general for sure. Rule number one that I'll totally agree with. I actually think editing

tweets in Twitter blue is like one of the better things they've done recently because I do think if you want to talk about things verified users could use why make them pay for the verification why not give them a bunch of really great tools yeah that they can just pay for I think it's basically their hack of going like ah we don't really know anything that we could guarantee a lot of people to pay for but we know we already have a lot of people enjoying being verified and they're just trying to like loop that into the thing that people pay for i still don't think they'll do it but that part is what scares me about it not confirming that it can't just be like i'll pay 20 a month give me that blue check mark yeah because if they

just want to make money immediately which i don't think that's the course they're going ruin the plan everyone is verified it would literally be the exact opposite of fixing spam bots it would just imagine how many fake eon musks there could be and they're all right now because i'll have 20 bucks a month to spend on scamming people so again i don't think that will be it but i'm worried about if it's a money play that would be the fastest way to make money yeah and that was usually the fastest way to make money is not the best way to make money can i put in my two cents here no one i i love twitter bots you love love Twitter bots.

There are some very useful, fantastic bots. I thought this was going to be a hot take about Twitter spam. Oh, no, no. Spam sucks. Yeah, yeah. But there are some genuinely useful bots. I agree. So if he gets rid of all bots, that's a problem.

That's a good point. Yeah. Being only people on Twitter is not Twitter. There are lots of things on Twitter that are not people that are really cool parts of Twitter. That's what I thought you were going to go to before when I said, I know where you're going with this. Yeah.

The authenticating part also means there are a lot of really fun, whatever accounts, business accounts, parody accounts, just helpful Twitter bots that can point you in the right direction to something like it's part of Twitter. It's part of Twitter. You're literally killing part of Twitter.

Yeah. And the other thing is with super apps, you think people will actually use a twitter app that has everything built in i feel like instagram tried and we all complained about how much crap is in there um that is a whole different subject i think it is going to be very hard to do here in the u.s because like like you said no one wants it to be government run, but making a government run is what would force everyone to use it. Would you rather it be government run or run by one guy?

I'd rather neither. I'd rather- That's the choice, I guess. Stitch all my credit cards and pay in cash again, which I hate doing. It's already rough enough being like, I use an Android phone and wow, all these Google services work so well together

and oops, my life is now completely in Gmail, Google Calendar and all these other services work so well together. And oops, my life is now completely in Gmail, Google Calendar, and all these other services that one company runs. Having a super app run by one company that also one guy who's a little rogue sometimes could really mess up. That was the nicest way of putting that. Not the best feeling. No, it would be terrible. Yeah.

Yeah, I think that's a tough one. I guess we'll leave it at that. Don't charge for things that were previously free. That's probably... And also Marques will pay upwards of $500 a month for Twitter verification. This is true. I wasn't going to say it, but now that it's out there, yeah, I would pay an unreal... Yeah, what's your number?

What's your upper limit of how much I would pay? Are you asking just for verification? Yeah, just verification. Verification, it wouldn't be very high, but just to have my Twitter account and use it, it would be very high what would you think of a a one-time price this is bad okay twenty dollars a month twenty dollars a month is ridiculous i just can't yeah i think that's crazy you have to taste it first yeah i think that's actually pretty worth it i don't think so well maybe maybe a tiered version and like depending on how many followers you have make it more

expensive but it's crazy to ask a a journalist with 2 000 followers but 2 000 very loyal followers who really care about that and that question is does that person even need to be verified i think there's always people who could cause harm in the comments uh impersonating them yeah that's always gonna be possible yeah i guess my notifications are so chaotic that i do need that filter for sure i don't it is my barometer so i would pay personally i would pay 100 bucks a month easily god no to keep the filter to keep the filter and i'm not advocating for that to be the price he's doing i'm saying that's what i would pay doing it for all of you out there so you don't get scammed in our comments that's what he really cares about there are real accounts impersonating me in the comments

every day that's my i don't know what that noise anyway okay yeah that's my uh that's kind of it that's that's where that's where we're at on tuesday who knows where it'll be by the time i can't wait till this ramble is just completely null and void by the time this releases on Friday. There's a whole PDF of new rules on Twitter by the time this comes out. They pay you $20 a month to be verified? Perfect. That's actually ideal. Let's have it our way.

Now I want to be verified. Yeah, it's great. All right, let's take a quick break. But before that, let's do trivia. Okay, trivia question number one who are the top three most followed accounts on twitter one point per person on twitter on twitter specifically we recently did this with instagram and i remember some of those and it's so much different on twitter is it do you think i think so i don't know i was like yeah does kylie jenner even have a twitter yeah for sure does she actually

there are so many of them who don't or it's weird to see someone on instagram with like 60 million followers and then you go on twitter and they have like a thousand you know i think there's people who you don't think of as a twitter person but you'll check and they have a twitter like kylie jenner does have a twitter i'm sure how many followers 25 million followers or something 40.3 million yeah like something but she's not a twitter person but she's a tweet once in a while she's the instagram anyway yeah i'll i'll brainstorm also just saying um no producer cam but producer cam is ordered it's happening it's a future thing let us like you'll be able to see the stroll

into it soon the look in their eyes when they read the questions to us and know how we struggle with these yeah and they dress up really nice as producers too so they're both in full tuxes like they usually are all the time every week you'll be able to see the tuxes when we get the when we get this cut cut can we hire actors to play us With helmets on and they just mouth into the microphone. We just have metaverse avatars. Oh, wow. That's a good segue. We'll be right back.

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and I'm already getting scared of talking about it. Well, here's the thing. I want to um preface all of this with just like saying that while vr has been getting very popular i think we can all agree that like the crypto nft section of the world kind of took over the metaverse for a little while and i don't think that that's they have to be together they're mutually they're exclusive to one another like so i want to talk about the metaverse that is not including crypto and nft stuff because i think it's given it sure of in that sense i think people are like screw the metaverse i hate everything about it they get looped together it's like the web three three web. Yeah. I don't love, I get why people don't like that.

And I want to just talk about like the metaverse is in like a, a separate universe that's digital that we can be a part of through different factors of AR, VR, whatever's happening. Yeah. This video, by the way,

was in the works for like over a month and it had a bunch of different way over yeah way over a month but we we had a bunch of different ideas of like how to approach because i had we never we haven't talked about the metaverse in a video yeah and it's it became this like swelling topic of like it keeps getting talked about there's more facebook presentations there's more vr we're gonna get more heads. And maybe the question is just like, what is the metaverse? And the more we researched this, the harder and harder it was to answer the question because there are several metaverses by several companies. Maybe it's Decentraland and there's like 300 daily active users in this one and there's 400 daily active users in this one. And there's like the Facebook concept of the metaverse and then there there's Horizon Workplaces. And then there's like just VR.

What are we even talking about? Like it got really hard to filter it into one video. But eventually, I mean, we did get to play with the headset, the new one, before we saw the presentation. So we got to form our opinions about it. We hear the price. We get the demos. And then it starts to crystallize a little bit and we're like actually this is more just about like one company sort of trying to steer their future into being a

platform instead of being built on another platform kind of like we saw you know ask app not to track from apple and yeah a whole bunch of facebook's ad business taking hits so like they're they're looking forward pivoting the ship, and barreling headfirst towards metaverse stuff. I do also want to, that's the main thing we're seeing though, but the metaverse in general isn't all Facebook and meta just because they name themselves very opportunely. But there are plenty of other situations.

Vive has its own. There's something called VRChat years and years ago that you could argue is a metaverse that's way before facebook even changed their name so while that's the main thing but it's also another thing if you are facebook bad reputation right off the bat like yeah rightfully so i i totally understand it so all of these things are being seen very negatively at first and i understand it and as coming from someone who kind of thinks the metaverse is pretty stupid right now i so what so what is the metaverse andrew and why is it it's just like a digital the easiest way is it's like a digital space that can be accessed and you can have experiences in it

oh man this is how the video exactly yeah this is like what months and what is a metaverse okay it's a it's a universe that's digital oh well i guess i guess that kind of is like anything right like twitter is a metaverse it's weird oh it's a it's a it's a virtual experience probably that happens in VR that lives separate from the real world. I agree with you. I think it has to be like VR based or AR based. Like I think you need to be like,

because then is Minecraft, the metaverse, is World of Warcraft, the metaverse. And like, you could probably argue, yes, Decentraland, you don't need it. You can go live it like second life, like that it is all very confusing yeah i think not a lot of actual definitions and hard lines in the sand which is why that ended up not being the the direction of the video is trying to define the metaverse yeah just the dictionary for it is virtual reality space which users can interact with the computer generated

environment and other users sure there we go that's the you're in a space with other people but i do think we should focus on kind of what meta's vision is because i think that's the most common one right now and as much as i don't like it i understand why things are going there and I do agree that position in the future makes sense I do think having more human-like interactions in positions where you can't physically be with each other I think is most people would agree makes total sense yep right And not only that, we can also agree that as video calling experience, like Zoom or FaceTime or Teams or whatever, there is a disconnect there. It's great, but it just doesn't quite feel there. And I mean, Apple and Microsoft have been working on things for years to try and help with eye contact and better lighting and center stage and making it

feel more personal, but it just always has this kind of disconnect. So being able to put on some sort of goggles and to feel like you're transported somewhere with maybe family who lives across the country or maybe friends who are in another country, like totally different times, whether that's meetings for business and stuff, I think totally makes sense. I think the position we are in now is very hard to convey that to people because it's this wild jump that you have to make to get to that and we're nowhere close to it that's that is the main point i think is the idea is actually it makes perfect sense yeah it's like if you can build these experiences that are much more realistic feeling and much more connective in their engagement than like a flat face on a screen

or a bunch of squares in a zoom call then it's theoretically better but when you try these experiences now you're wearing this big plastic headset on your face and it's uncomfortable and the graphics aren't that good and the the mics are like the audio isn't as good as further from your face and like suddenly you're like well this isn't actually better but there is companies that believe if we pour enough money into this and make it better and better and better eventually it will actually be a no-brainer to do the metaverse version every time yeah and so they're dedicating themselves to being at the forefront of that new thing. It's a big dedication to come this early.

I think one of the biggest issues right now with even just the outskirts of people trying to believe into this is I still just don't feel like VR in general is that well-known. People aren't that familiar with VR. well-known people aren't that familiar with vr it's still getting to the point where i'll give someone the quest 2 that i have and like they go into it and they have the best time ever but yeah to navigate even through like the beginning menus of to tell someone how to do beat saber is a learning experience and while they enjoy it the familiarity of vr is just not there with i would probably argue 90 of the human population that would even think about doing any of this uh and like i if i almost want to take it a step back an it department they will stick to like a windows version until it basically runs out of support

because users get so used to something they don't when i worked windows 10 was out for like three years at the it place i worked for have All of our users were on XP or 7. Having people completely just shut down because they have like a new Windows or OS upgrade. Like imagine now being like, hey, here's your VR headset. Enjoy, like this is how you're gonna take meetings now. Just the unfamiliarity with all of it

feels like a total nightmare in businesses. And I think still making VR more easily available just the the unfamiliarity with all of it feels like a total nightmare in businesses and i think i think still making vr more easily available for like gaming and stuff and more extracurricular activities would then help people get more familiar with it and then maybe you could take those steps into the enterprise world yeah yeah i guess the way i framed it in the video is like games is one of the things you can do in v. And it's one of the most fun, universally like great first experiences. But let's say you look at these headsets, there's still like a big clunky thing on your face.

There's a battery hanging off of it. And like the battery life is only an hour. But fast forward to the future, you have this super lightweight headset. Maybe it's just a pair of glasses that can do all the same stuff. Just theoretical future tech. And the graphics are dramatically better and smoother and more immersive and it's just an amazing graphical experience then suddenly it makes sense it's

like oh it's actually a better version of a meeting than a zoom call is today yeah so that's the future they're betting on i think audio big thing there too if they can get like crisp audio might be one of the like most annoying parts of any teleconferencing ever because just like that constant just screech every once in a while or something cutting out like in real life you don't ever go like oh i'm sorry your mouth kept moving but i didn't hear any of the words that came out of your mouth i was distracted by the glitching lips what is happening so i i really do think like i don't want to just say the metaverse sucks because i do want there to be innovation i think right now the metaverse sucks yeah um and i'm excited for where it goes and i'm hoping that

when i'm old i was gonna say when my knees don't work but that's probably like a couple years away so um but when i'm much older and can't really get around, like I'm excited for the metaverse to be a thing, hopefully then. So then like I get to experience some things still. Do you remember the Project Starline demo did at Google IO where it was like, it looked like a guy like talking to a mirror,

but then he could like make eye contact with a virtual you remember this that looks like a like weird indie horror movie yeah it kind of does look like a horror movie but it's like you are having a video call with someone who is somewhere else in the world but the video call will look extremely realistic you'll be able to make direct eye contact with the person and it'll have this 3d element where you can move around and see angles the the way you would if you were in real life with someone that's an another like background thing in the back of my head where i'm like what if these headsets just aren't it what if the whole metaverse thing would be like looking into a virtual space or just like a huge virtual window instead of just a headset i don't even know i kind of like the ar way of like maybe glasses that can produce some sort of hologram of

something like if i'm in my room in my space but all i have to do is wear a pair of glasses and then you can be there in a sort of hologram and feel like you're there that feels kind of like maybe an in-between but i also kind kind, like, ultimately in the perfect world where it all makes sense and you can have a fully immersive VR experience without being uncomfortable and all those things, then in that scenario, it's like, but I want to create the atmosphere inside it,

so then full VR kind of makes sense. I don't know, I like go back and forth on this whole way way in the future this is going to be really cool but like all of the things right now are doing a horrific job at like showing it off the gap some people might call it a gap between where we're at where we want to be it's more of like a canyon like a giant chasm of like like alligators in the bottom it's gonna take billions of dollars to cross this canyon but you know a couple companies are spending the money so yes so i i want to say there there is hope for the metaverse right now all of my all of me talking about i'm not even going to call it the metaverse i'm just going to talk about vr because vr gaming is so

much fun and i've been having an absolute blast have you seen the people making comparisons to other non-vr games uh there's people who are who are just like they're so down on the metaverse they're like look at the graphics of vr games and then look at the graphics of all the games we love and they're like graphics in the metaverse suck they've never played vr that's yeah the immersion matters and maybe this doesn't help with the i think it's immersion helps more when you're trying to just do like a meeting, it feels more.

But like when you're in a game and you're really super focused on something, that doesn't quite matter. Super hot is literally like three colors. Stick figures. It's red, basically polygon like people. It's white and then black. And I have literally fallen on my face playing super hot

because I thought I could like lean on to something. It's so immersive. It's insanely immersive. So yeah, I just, I want VR to come to more people because it's such a fun experience, but I like it in the gaming and not professional way right now. It's not a very hot take at all.

We'll keep an eye on it. The video's out there. Who cares about the metaverse? Lock it down 2022. We're at the beginning of the chasm. We'll see how long it takes to get to the other side facebook might run out of money by the end a lot of people would be happy about that we'll just have to see we'll just have to see all right let's take another quick break and another trivia question then we'll come back and talk about smartphones and play a little game all right your watch your watch found the love is real by chasm siri before we even

would we still say siri is the most accidentally triggered 100 dude they made a joke about it in hocus pocus too i watched it last. It's got to be, by percentage, the most accidentally used piece of tech people own. It's the only type of piece of tech? Yeah. Sorry, Tripp. I set timers with it sometimes. I do.

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What was the first fifa world cup to be fully filmed every single match in ak in 4k in 4k 4k i don't remember bonus question if you could name who won that world cup i can't i don't i don't know that one i just don't know that uh but i can think about the 4k thing yeah we'll accept either the place it was played in or the year. Won't know the place either. It's okay. Wait, wait. I'm just going to toss something else out here.

Do you remember what now pretty common smartphone feature was kind of announced by a phone partnership with a World Cup event? event uh under fingerprint uh under display fingerprint was like the vivo next 2020 i think and it was like they released it with a ton of uh advertising at one of the world cups that's yeah we got invited to the world cup russia was that like that's such a weird i always thought i thought it was very strange and I thought it was very interesting. It's strange for a fingerprint scanner to be advertised at a sport where the only thing you're not allowed to do is use your hands.

I think it was mostly that it was the phone but back then that's when Vivo were the people who were just like they weren't very popular but they always did those really innovative things. Under display camera. Sorry, sidetracked that one a little bit. I know the 8K one. I don't know if I know the 4K. No, wait. Broadcast really innovative things yeah under display camera under the stuff yeah yeah well sorry sidetracked that one a little bit i don't i know the 8k one i don't know if i know the fork no wait

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else think phones with squeezable sides were great? Okay, fun. We already disagreed. Did you hear that in the mic? I shook my head so hard my headphones almost came off. But I wanted to take this as are there any features that are missing in phones that we used to have that maybe we miss?

Or if you want to take it one step further, features we used to have in tech that are now gone that we miss. But I also want to start with, I do miss squeezable sides. What? Yeah. Did you, wait, why? Did you enjoy using them? Or do you like the idea of them?

No, no, I liked them. I liked the best time I used them was- Oh, you're talking about the squeeze, not the buttons, but the squeeze. No, no, oh, no, no, not squeezable buttons. Okay, okay. I was going- Very, very different.

I went down the path. I pictured this, remember the U11? I was going to say, I think squeezable buttons are the reason HTC doesn't make phones anymore because they failed so bad on that. They fell on their face there. So you're saying squeeze for assistant.

Or I think it could even just be like squeeze for a customizable quick action. I found it okay. I liked being able to, if I were like going out, on my Pixel 3 when I had it, if it were cold out and I had gloves going to the car, I could just like on my way out,

grab my phone, squeeze it, and be like text Claire I'm on my way home. And just like very easily be able to throw out a couple really quick text messages without having to do any unlocking or anything like that, which I really liked. One scenario. But I believe you can also just say the hot word into that.

I don't like having lock screen hot word activated. And I think this is Google's own problem, but I don't know if you see this too. You use Google Assistant, like Google Home, right? So like I have found it just does not work very well. And it seems to be like whichever device in my house can get to the question first, that's where I'll play through. And sometimes my phone seems to beat my Google Homes

and I hate when that happens at home happens oh sometimes so sometimes it asks me like i'll i'll be testing a new phone and i'll ask i'll say the hot word out loud for the first time and the phone will answer when i didn't want it to but then a little pop-up will say hey did the correct device answer that you were expecting to answer and i always i hit no and i then usually it fixes itself yeah so when i'm in the room with the assistant the assistant speaker answers i still have some i've had some issues still with all that up and i mean i still even have issues where if i'm in my living room my kitchen google home picks me up and i just hear that like i hear that far that far away because yeah because like we don't have like full doors we just have like entryways i guess throughout that it's close enough but yeah that's why i liked the squeeze

version of it as as one of them instead of lock screen because i usually have that disabled because my house likes to play ring around the rosy of who wants gets to answer it it makes sense for gloves it makes sense i i i like swiping up from the corner and i use the hot word for talking to it but i can swipe over theiping up from the corner and i use the hot word for talking to it but i can swipe over the corner to get the assistant anywhere which is good enough for me i think you can also can you long hold power button within lock screen some phones yes some phones yes i should know this yes okay it does pixel will do it some phones like the zen phone will give you a an ability to do it if you want to which is god the Zen phone is so good

uh a lot of phones that's not one of the options Samsung Bixby uh but yeah you know that that is a thing I could say we miss in phones um I think there's a lot of obvious answers that I can already see the commenters typing like the headphone jack yeah or front-facing stereo speakers like boom sound speakers fair i the headphone jack one that's it's so far gone yeah like good speakers are definitely one of them i google kind of brought it back this time and i'm sure some other phones do it but like an ultra real ultra wide selfie camera was something I was surprised they took away. It's coming back. Then there are like on top of that,

MacBooks finally brought back SD card slots, which is like crazy. Are we in this trend of now like they took it away and now they're bringing it back? There's, you know, most companies don't like to admit when they were wrong and they won't even say out loud that they were wrong but when they bring back something that they previously made

a big deal about getting rid of you can tell they know that they were wrong and that's that's good enough for me you know what you did yeah so i was trying to think of like maybe some other phone feature that was less obvious i feel like adam's got one fingerprint sensor on the back on the back yeah display a bunch of phones in a row for a couple of years when i was in college all had a little dimple in the back of the phone and you would put your index finger right like that's kind of like you just instantly like it naturally sits there i hate that we're talking about that like it's a decade ago a couple years ago it wasn't there i hate that we're talking about that like it's a decade ago a couple years ago it wasn't that long ago but we're talking about it like the good old days where like you had to walk to school back in my day i had a pixel 4a and

it was like six to nine years ago there were a bunch of phones that all did it yeah i love them they we got some on the side and then they obviously moved to the front and then under the display but that i like that's a good one i like on the side also i'm very surprised we don't see that more often it seems would you argue it's cheaper than in display oh it's still tough like it's tougher than on the back because it's still a really small area but like the power button it would just always be faster and like i guess it it would be a an extra thing to put on the phone is like a special area they all like having a smooth glass back now and they don't really do that little oh you're talking about a back one or the like side power button i think that's easy to do yeah i don't know why

more people don't do it who's it's it's like zen phone one of the only people yeah right now yeah it's it reminds me of the s10e back in the day yeah am i clear still uses that but yeah loves it and the swiping even you could you could have it do that yeah yeah now there's a couple phones that do it and the zen phone's one of them um but i actually was just about to say i remember when we had that theory which was like you have the under display fingerprint reader now and it's kind of small it's just a little circle and you can easily but aren't they supposed to get bigger and bigger until it's like the whole bottom half of the phone and you just like slap anywhere on the bottom half of the phone and it reads it that

just didn't happen no not at all hasn't even really inched much closer they haven't gotten meaningfully bigger or faster would you argue that got uh like stifled from hey here's this but like very quickly finding out that under display was not as secure so then everyone focused way more on security which meant keeping precision and less because like the old one plus fingerprint sensors that were just like yeah pretty easily fooled you could probably throw that anywhere on the screen pretty easily. But now when you have to do these ultrasonic, very precise, secure ones. I think it's actually cost.

I think it's actually just like having a huge sensor that big behind the display glass that works as a very expensive technology. And we just haven't found a way. Like if you had, if you were the smartphone company that could take this standard size one or take the one that's 20 bigger and you can't really make a huge deal about it being 20 bigger because most people won't notice you'll probably just take the standard size one and so now we're just stuck with a bunch of standard size ones and nobody's willing to like actually make a bigger and bigger one and there's like once in a while there's like a concept phone

where it's like yeah both your thumbs anywhere on the bottom half it's super secure because it's two fingers and it's anywhere on the bottom half so it's super fast and you're like yes that's the future but it never happens we're not getting there that's one of the things for my list uh i do stand by that the htc m1 htc 1 m1 hcc 1 m1 h 1 and 8 yes hcc but specifically the google play edition oh google play yeah one my whole point in this podcast is just to see how many times you can bring back google play editions so we can eventually bring back google play phone 2014 i reviewed this on favorite phone probably of all time that's tough i mean it's not it's maybe not number one but it's easily top five favorite phones of all time for me okay what about a uh a feature or something that you hope never comes back that is dead fake buttons do you oh fake buttons like what we were talking about before oh my god i don't know why

i feel like there's a bunch of samsung seems to really love just like swinging for the fences on accessories and missing do you remember like the bikini case for the samsung s10 s8 i think it was s8 and they also then had that it was the the keyboard you could put on the front of the phone and it would like basically be tapping the screen i think half your yeah but then now you had a blackberry keyboard but now you got a blackberry keyboard yeah that doesn't have to come back the thing is i think fake buttons are gonna come back which is i think it's inevitable they come back they're gonna try it again they're gonna get i hope never comes back what the rollerball do you remember like the nexus one oh man oh a track the hcc droid iris had one i never got to daily a phone with a trackball i kind of like the idea is it the iris had one the thing was is it was it was touchscreen already so

like you never used yeah the nexus one same thing yeah and then the t-mobile g1 also had one i never got to daily any of those phones okay i had the phone i had the droid which had a d-pad and a touch screen yeah but you never used the d-pad for like selecting apps i think i did for texts i think if i was if i go to landscape and i was like just on the keyboard then i would use the d-pad to move around that's a good point also the the ball on the eris would be okay for like back then it wasn't that quite as easy where if you're texting and then you realize like oh i made a mistake to just touch it like yeah rolling back on the ball through characters was much easier yeah i wouldn't mind i wouldn't mind that coming back bring it back i don't think where would it

go i don't think modern phones would do it because it's not waterproof or like yeah it's not actually feasible and we have a full screen like where on earth would it go it's it wouldn't have much utility it's not coming back i would imagine have you ever used like a mouse with an ipad yeah like the floating yeah you know like that moves i think it would like snap around like that yeah and i would hate that so you're saying add it to the ipad uh add a little rollerball to the side of the ipad that would really truly compete the most confusing lineup of ipads of all time they make a new one and it just has a little rollerball on the side you're like what which ipad is this they can make it waterproof if it was like an under display rollerball like the screen just has a little

bulge in it at one point what if they just add the lvo rubber, the little red nipple. The big pad joystick. Yeah. The joyless stick. On the corner of the iPad. There we go. New iPad coming at you. You hold it by the edge, right by the lightning port or whatever iPad you're using.

You can just use the joystick all the time. All right. That's not coming back. No, that's, oh man. Somebody like Unnecessary Inventions has to make that or something coming back no that's oh man somebody like unnecessary inventions has to make that or something like that perfect that perfect that would be wonderful bring back 30 pin oh geez let's go to trivia let's go to we're just trying to get tech canceled here okay on the heels of that beautiful hot take. 30-pen. Let's get the boards ready. Yeah.

So the score, Marquez 10, Andrew 9. Is this one where we get like a point per? Yep. So this question, who are the top three most followed accounts on Twitter? You get one point per person that you get correct. Do we just name three get correct do we just name three people or do we have to go in order and then is it wrong if it's in the wrong they could just name three people okay i have a list of like six people that i know are extremely popular

and i just don't know what order to try to put them in the top three yeah i have like two i have one i'm pretty sure of one i think does it have to be a person um it doesn't have to be but i will help you out it is three people yeah because i'm pretty sure the at twitter account is i don't think that actually has that much more than the at twitter account people have more followers than at isn't like the instagram account not have that many followers on instagram yeah i think it has a lot oh really i think it's like top five really yeah i think twitter has 64.7 million followers not even close to top three

oh oh there's three like totally random people. Oh, God. It's Chef Emeril, Rudy Gobert. And your grandma. Oh, wait. When did you write this question? Five minutes before recording. I have also noticed that number going up no no marquez is not on the list by the way no no okay soon soon okay we'll get there ready

all right wait you want to flip around and then yeah who wants to read them first uh marquez can read first okay so flipped wow oh. Wow. Oh. Is Trump on Twitter? That's why I was asking. He's back. Okay, Marquez, what are your replies? So my three are Barack Obama. Okay, that's good. Cristiano Ronaldo.

And Elon Musk. Two out of three. I got one. Well, unless Trump's the other one, then, yeah. He just came back, and I thought maybe with all that's going on on Twitter, that could have skyrocketed recently. Musk went from 90 to 110. Yeah, so the top three. Former President Barack Obama.

Number one, right? 133.4 at number one. Canadian treasure, Justin Bieber, is number two. On Twitter? 113.8 million oh god and then number three the chief twit himself elon musk with 112.9 oh no he had 110 yesterday trump's not back on oh yeah he's he's back on now no not trump i mean um yeah he got he got to what is that two thousand two million two million in two days he had 110 million. He had 110 million yesterday. Oh my god. He'll probably be number one in

not that long. Yeah give it a month. It only took 44 billion dollars to be the most powerful person on Twitter. Well I put someone who's not even on Twitter anymore so I lost that one. So I got two points. You got one of them. Alright so the score now Marquez 12, Andrew 10. So the next question.

What was the first FIFA World Cup to be fully filmed in 4K? Just the, okay. Bonus question if you could say who won. Oh, wait. Can I clarify something? Sure. Like broadcast in 4K or filmed in 4K? I'm going to go with broadcast in 4K.

Yeah, broadcast in 4K. Also, this is the Men's World Cup. Yes. Okay. That's a good question as well. I guess I... Not to get way too pedantic, but... Let's get in there.

It's the World Cup of handball, right? Yeah, it's the World Cup of... No. The upcoming World Cup, they are broadcasting in 4K, but it's not native 4K. They're upscaling 1080p for some games in 4K, but it's not native 4K. They're upscaling 1080p for some games to 4K. Oh, that's terrible.

The World Cup that this question is about was natively filmed in 4K. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I really wanted to write trick question because I didn't think it happened yet, but I think enough of these are. Ooh, one. It's a country that would win correct it is a country the way it's just who won it was the year just identifying the world cup in general yeah the world cup oh man i feel like we're gonna make so many people mad because we're

not good soccer football a bonus point is who won okay so you could get a maximum of two points with this question i don't think that's right i don't think that's right that's not it's not right i would have known if no also you know just while marcus is figuring this out waka waka by shakira is like one of the best songs ever just saying it was for it was for a world cup like a long time ago but it slaps all back also canon canon waving flag oh yeah i remember that that's like that was like 2010 that was a while ago i want the extra point i just there's no shot do you want a hint at the extra point sure no you don't i have a guess I don't know if it's right. It was not the USA.

Oh, I knew it. That was a spoiler. Not really. We were not even close. There's no shot. We're coming for this year. Did we even make it? We do have a good, yeah.

We do have a good young team this year, but we'll see. I've said that about the Devils for like a decade. World Cup winner. Let's go with that. all right i'm ready to flip yeah all right oh wait so marquez what was your answer i said the 2018 world cup okay oh and then i said portugal won no so you got one point. Okay. Andrew? I said the Russian World Cup. Which was in 2018. Oh. I did not know it was in Russia.

Wait, isn't that six years ago? No, four years ago. Every four. It's every four. But 2018 was six years ago. 2022. I'm an idiot. I'm glad math wasn't on this.

You had me questioning myself. And I wrote Germany won. Nope, not Germany. It was France. That's a good guess though right it was a good guy germany has a good team what year was the uh do you know who was in the final um that's a great question when did germany be brazil seven to one oh i remember watching that everyone was very mad at that um and i think i was at like a cty it was france v croatia oh i did not know that good for them yeah okay so you each got one point can you cut out the part of me thinking it was six years ago and if not can you cut out the part of me asking to cut out the part of me thinking it was six years we're gonna do a slow zoom on

your face for both you thinking it was six years ago and then asking to take out that you thought it was six years ago. Perfect. Soccer fans, we love you. BTS stans, we love you. If you love me, you wouldn't call it soccer. You wouldn't. I got canceled in my college.

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