Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Pixel 10 Leak Has Three Cameras?

Episode Date: July 25, 2025

Marques, Andrew, and David have a lot to go over this week! Not only does the Escobar phone debacle finally come to a close but there are also new smartwatches from CMF, a Pixel 10 camera leak, and a new Apple subscription. Plus, there's trivia and Crown and Clown to get into! It's a fun one, we hope you enjoy! Links: MKBHD - Escobar phone video Verge - Escobar phone story Apple - AppleCare One Newsroom Nothing - Why did Nothing buy a closed company video Android Headlines - Pixel 10 leaks Android Authority - Pixel 10 camera specs Music provided by Epidemic Sound Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Social: Waveform Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Waveform Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en Hosts: Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts.

I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. And this week we've got Pixel 10 leaks. I hesitate to use the word leaks, but I'll throw it in there. This week we've got Pixel 10 leaks. I hesitate to use the word leaks, but I'll throw it in there. Also, some CMF Watch 3 Pro, the Essential comeback,

and also something going on at Google Tasks and Keep. But you know, they just. I don't. They're just always doing stuff, aren't they? But first, I actually, I have an update on the FBI story. You guys remember the FBI story with the Escobar phone? Yeah. I saw an article pop up yesterday

that had a conclusion, I think, to the story. So the story goes that I did this video on the Escobar Fold. They sent it out to influencers. They didn't send out to people who actually bought it. And so they got a whole bunch of views and impressions and people clicking on their website and trying to buy it and not sending the phone to them.

I did this little expose video. And a couple months later, the FBI literally shows up to the studio and goes, hey, can we talk about that? And I obliged and they actually took my Escobar phone as evidence and they said, well, we'll get back to this later, don't talk about this, but someday this will all be over.

And then I didn't hear from them for years. And then a couple months ago, or a couple years, months ago, we did the FBI video. Maybe like a year ago. Yeah, we reached back out to them and we were like, hey, how's that case gone? Is it cool if we talk about it? And they were actually cool with us talking about it.

I made the video explaining it the final update is that the guy behind it all Olaf is is pleading guilty and faces hundreds of I think millions of dollars in fines and also up to 20 plus years in federal prison for each kind of fraud so Good good news is that he won't be doing this again, he won't be scamming people again. But yeah, pretty crazy story that that arc

all wrapped up with five years later. This is one of those things where it was so ridiculous when it happened that it was unbelievable that anyone could think that it was real, right? Because they were selling basically a Galaxy Fold, the original Galaxy Fold, which was like a $2,000 phone, they were selling quote unquote for $400. And they had all this insane promotional material with like,

you know. With literal crime. Just, it was guns and like naked people and crime. And it was just, and it was so, it was like a meme of itself. And it seemed like they were self-aware enough to know it was ridiculous, but yet they were still actually scamming people. Yeah, the Escobar name is not exactly known for clean,

yeah, it's obviously not good. And I thought the video was part entertainment, part obvious PSA, but yeah, people did spend the money. Apparently he owed something like $300,000 of money to people who bought the phones. And did he get the money? He was wired more than like $300,000 of money to people who bought the phones. And didn't get them. He was wired more than $307,000 between December 2019 and June 2020.

That's actually not that much money. It's not that much. For doing something so stupid like this. Yeah. To go on your point, I almost think part of how absurd it was was part of the reason some people got scammed because they saw like,

oh, we know this is a Samsung Fold that costs $2,000. Maybe he's just selling refurbished ones for $500, but like, I'm actually getting this cheaper and we'll just take the skin off. And then they think they get the leg up. And then that's like the only way I can comprehend him getting sent that much money.

I think a lot of people were like, might as well try. Yeah, that was a thing that definitely probably happened. The price was low enough that people had that much money. I think a lot of people were like, might as well try. Yeah. That was a thing that definitely probably happened. The price was low enough that people had that much money to throw away of just a flyer of like, hey, if I get the phone, it's a $2,000 fold. Yeah. And then they didn't get it.

I mean, the amount of people that are buying the Freedom Phone or signing up for Trump Mobile just because they wanna make the content about it, I feel like there were a decent amount of people that were doing that too. That's a very good point also. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like I feel like there were a decent amount of people who were doing that too. You know what I mean? Like they wanted, there were probably a bunch of YouTubers that were like, I get to make a video about this

even if I don't get the device, at least I can make a video about how I got scammed. That's true. So. That's true, dang. Easy way to make money, but it was 300K really worth the rest of your life in prison and millions of dollars in fines.

I don't think so. Not ideal. Yeah, so that's think so. Not ideal, yeah. So that's the update, there you have it. Maybe the other FBI story will be told someday here. But that's the one that I have told. Moving on, okay. The story we have here is AppleCare One is introducing a new $20 a month subscription plan.

Apple is effectively trying to get you to buy insurance, but for more than just like your phone or laptop. For multiple things. Yeah, so usually when you buy a new device from Apple, you get to sign up for AppleCare Plus, I think it's called. And you can sign up for that within 60 days of purchasing the device. And that gives you like a couple of years of protection

for accidental damage, and then you can add on theft protection and all this stuff. It's very good. Obviously, a lot of people get AppleCare because it's one of the best insurance policies there is. Now, they have been making so much money on insurance policies that they want to make even more money on insurance policies. They, yeah.

So, they just introduced this new plan called AppleCare One, which is a new $20 a month subscription plan from Apple, which is a lot of money considering they have a lot of subscription services at this point. But this plan covers up to three products, and you can add additional products for $6 extra per month. You get the same coverage you get with AppleCare Plus, unlimited repairs for accidental damage, 24-7 support. But also you can add products you bought

up to four years ago versus the normal 60-day window. So I think that this is sort of gonna be like, the target of this is families, is what I'm sort of seeing here. Do you think that's only gonna be in the beginning when they launch this, the four-year prior one? Because like, if this stays alive for three years and there's AppleCare One and I break my phone,

like I can cover things that were broken way after the 90 day limit. I assume so, I think it'll keep going. You think forever you will be able to protect something that's four years old? Yes. You're talking about with AppleCare? Like if I buy my phone right now,

and in one year it breaks, so I buy AppleCare One, because I can cover something that's up to four years old. Oh no, okay, okay, sorry. So I think the promotional of the beginning. There's a thing where they will run diagnostics on your device that you add to the plan to make sure it's like in good health, and then also add it.

When you add it, okay. Yeah, and it also has to be in good condition. So they do diagnostics. Yeah, Andrew, you can't do insurance fraud. I literally, I'm just talking about fraud. And I'm sure a lot of people will do it and go hang out with Olaf. I would like to do medical insurance fraud,

but that's a whole nother thing. Wait, I have a question about this. Yeah, so you can add three devices, just glossing over that. You can add three devices, right? Yeah. So my question is right now I'm paying basically forty dollars a month for all of my families like iPhones for AppleCare 999 99

No, you know, can I do three iPhones? Yeah for 20 bucks. Yeah, so actually you Yeah, this is all save money. Well, you did save families There's something that says this can be for more than one specific person. I believe so. I guess that would be a big difference on can we just like split this, or does like one person have to be the owner of all of the devices. Or would it have to like all be attached to someone's Apple ID or something.

You know? Yeah. Cause if it's like my AirPods, my phone, my computer, then I get it. But if I could do like my phone my sister's phone my mom's phone That would be ideal. Wait, so how much you said 9.99 a month for a month? Okay, that's more expensive than I thought Yeah, because I had just had to do this this past Saturday cuz just shattered her phone so we had to go to the Apple store in Williamsburg and

They like there was someone across from me who didn't have AppleCare, and they were like, oh yeah, for you it'll be like, I think it was like 180 bucks or something like that. It was like 300 bucks to like fix the back of the phone. And for us it was like 29 bucks. And I was like, is this worth it? It feels like it right now, but I don't know.

If it's the back screen or the back glass and the metal is not dented, I believe it was $29 to replace just the back glass. But had the metal been dented or they had to like give us a different phone or something, then it would have been like 99. And then it just goes, there's like multiple tiers for it. Our repair was only $29.

Sorry, I'm not in the Apple world, so I don't. This has not been my experience with AppleCare at all. Really? Yeah, first of all, I just checked, so I don't. This has not been my experience with AppleCare at all. Really? Yeah, first of all, I just checked, I pay 7.99 for AppleCare. Wait, why do you have AppleCare? I mean, actually, why don't, yeah, no. Why do you have AppleCare?

You would be dumb to not have AppleCare. That's how I've kept this phone alive. Cause it's like, oh no, like a part broke, let me just go spend $10 and get it replaced in two hours. Actually, this is... Okay. It's the life support of that phone. Yeah, exactly.

Exactly. Really on life support on the 12 mini. Yeah, and I don't think I've ever paid more than $20 and I've replaced like literally every single part on this phone. Oh, the screen too? Both the front, no, I haven't replaced the front screen. That's the only original part of the phone.

Ellis, do you buy AppleCare One and two more iPhone 12 mini. And just literally let it ride. Maybe. Yeah. The newsroom post does not say anything about family plans, but Apple one, which has all the services that, you know, like the Fitness Plus and TV Plus, that is shared with your family plan. So well, Apple one ultimate or whatever it is, it's not called that something. But either way, yeah, I assume you could probably

do it for your family and this is probably just a way for people to ensure their stuff for their family. Yeah, this is all part of Apple slowly just becoming more and more of a services company. Oh, 100%. They have so many services. And obviously they've made a good amount of hardware and they sell a lot of that stuff too,

but the way they're growing as a company is by offering more and more monthly subscription services. This is another one. There will be more. How long until it's the phone? The phone as a service? I mean, it already kinda is. Ellis basically is doing it right now.

It already is. You pay monthly phone service to be able to use the wireless data. Well, I mean to buy the phone phone like oh if you give us $20 a month when the new iPhone comes out You'll just get a new iPhone just come in Mobile does that right? I mean we didn't try that and then cancel it before I got the upgrade I remember the story, but yeah, they're that's basically Carrier Service does. Yeah, yeah.

I could definitely see Apple doing that. I mean, they already do financing, so is that that different? Yeah. That's true. You know, Clarna. All right, I need someone to explain this Google Tasks, Google Keep, Google Reminders implosion. Remember how we spent all that time

getting Andrew to join Google Tasks? We did a whole episode about it. Yes, we did. He finally got on Google tasks. Yeah. And now he uses Google tasks every day. So I get Google tasks now. That's why I'm so scared of this headline. If I just see Google tasks or keep I'm like one's dying. Yeah. Doing that was a good call

because it seems like they're going all in on Google tasks basically. So this news was already announced, but now I think they're announcing that it's gonna be happening, something like that, which is that when you set a reminder in Google Keep, it will now show up as a Google Task, and it'll have a little note next to it that'll be like, this is from Keep, or whatever.

So if you have a recurring grocery list or something, I'm assuming that will, yeah, I'm guessing that would show up as a Google Task, but saying from keep like it has a little badge next to it. Is this? This is some cross. This is 10 X product management. I just want to say Google PMS. You're crushing it, folks.

Does this work the other way around? Where, like, if I say go grocery shopping, recurring on the task and I can link a keep grocery list to it. If you cross link it with your Google calendar and then sync it with a Gmail reminder, which. You're joking. And it's all saved in Google Drive. They did add Google task to Google calendar and Google task is like its own thing in Google calendar now.

Like it's basically the whole app. You can like tab over and you just have your Google Tasks there. To answer your question, unclear. That would be cool. Like what I want is to be able to attach a note to a Google Tasks. Like that would be cool.

This seems to be so far just in the reverse. So you can like just set a reminder in Google Keep and then it'll just pop up like don't forget about this thing you have in Google Tasks. Okay, I wanna propose something. So millions of years ago, our brains developed this thing called memory. And we can-

You mean RAM? Yeah, and we can remember to do things. Yeah, but that's notoriously really buggy. Well, sure. Yeah. But life is buggy, you know what I'm saying? David, you once forgot to pick up Ellis on your way to the office.

Sure. I was. Yeah, also we buggy. You know what I'm saying David you once forgot to pick up Ellis on your way to the office I was We had been texting I said so see you in 10 and in that 10 you forgot What see you see not a lot of you want? And you all what do you want for me man? You know you can't Google keep and drive Hey And you know we wouldn't have had that fun story if I didn't forget something. So life would not be vibrant if everything went as planned.

So Google Keep does not sync with Google Drive, but Google Drive can sync with Google and keep. Someone else take this. That's all righty. This will be fun later when we talk about nothing in essential also. Take the wheel. Take the wheel.

Take the wheel. Yeah, the new capability will make Google task the single solution for managing your two dues across workspace. It's just like another nail in the coffin to what David is always talking about. How anytime someone remembers that Google Keep exists, it's like people get nervous.

Can I ask a question? What? Who sets reminders in Google Keep? I set reminders. Well, I used to. Apparently some apparently you can Tasks they're even geo fenced right or geo tagged So you can be like when I get home remind me to blank in and keep I don't know if that's in Was that not that might have been in Google assistant tasks, which was folded into Google tasks guys

Use your brain Telling you it is so much simpler. No it's not, it's horrible. Don't listen to this. Google Assistant reminders, sorry. Open a note, access the remind me feature, look for the bell icon at the top of the note. I do know that bell icon. And choose a time and location.

Yeah, location, yeah. Huh. Oh nice. And you can do that also with the assistant. So you could talk to like your Google home and ask it to remind you to do something when you get to work. And you'd get to work and it would like light up

the assistant. I didn't realize that was through Keep though. Yeah, I thought it was through Tabs. Cause I do it in my car all the time. I guess I never had to interface with the Keep behind that reminder, but it was going through Keep. Technically. Huh.

Yeah. Can I, or does anyone else have anything to say with that? Cause I have a random Google gripe that I'd like to- I just, we might as well just do that. I just want to plea to not kill Google Keap. Don't even say it, Adam, into the void. You're willing in a- The day we read that during trivia waiting,

it's the day the tear runs down from Adam's face. I feel like this is- I wanna say kill Google Key. I cannot stand that application. This is Google just taking the tarp and like slowly covering Google Key. The pillow, yeah. One day I'm gonna get an email in the middle of the pod

from Megan Fox and it's gonna say some sad news about Google Key. That's actually- I swear. That actually wouldn't happen. Here's my gripe right now. Google Drive, or Google Docs, I guess. See, that's already. Insert an image button, the dropdown.

The first option always used to be upload from computer because I put photos in our Google, our outlines for the pod, every single. I know you guys have a different gripe with pictures in Google Docs. I usually just drag and drop. Now the top one is generate an image and we've done 300 episodes of this.

So my brain just automatically clicks the button and clicks the first one. And every time I then have to click out of generate an image to just put a stupid picture of like a watch in this. Yeah, Google is- It drives me insane. Why would they do that? In what world is an image generated by whatever model they're using for that right now

better than the image that you know is on your computer? This is just Google spamming, like getting more users of the service so they can say they have more people using it. Oh my God, you're so right. Every time I've accidentally clicked it, they're like, count that. Yeah, 100%.

Yeah, and then on the next Google I?O keynote, they'll be like, users have been loving Yeah. generating images. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, and then on the next Google IOKI note, they'll be like, users have been loving generating images. They've been generating millions of images. And then their stock goes up. They can't stop generating images. Andrew Manganiello, our top user. He physically cannot stop

because they keep hitting it by accident. I mean, you can probably count how many times I did it. There's, I think I have like eight pictures in this doc, so that's probably eight times. Is that why you have all these generated images in here? These are not generated. Yeah, wow. All right, we have one more thing,

and this is a question I have for Adam. I have an answer. I have been nonstop seeing that the new Donkey Kong game is like 10 out of 10 incredible. Donkey Kong. Like the new Donkey Kong on Switch 2 games. Bonanza. Yeah, Donkey Kong Bonanza is like

Absolutely killing it in game Yeah, you have it. Yeah, it's awesome. Is there this one because it's like alright, so I used to love these games in I Don't even know what year 97 some like that crash bandicoot Spyro The little PlayStation PlayStation. Those are PlayStation games. PlayStation games, not Nintendo. PlayStation games, but like you're this little character that just runs around doing a bunch of levels

and you're like doing things as you go collecting gems, you know, the usual. They did that with Donkey Kong, but as if it's like a modern game in 2025. So like the levels themselves are massive. And because it's Donkey Kong, you can just destroy the entire level like my first night playing this game I kind of just wanted to I wasn't sure if I wanted to like dive deep into it, you know

It was like late. I'm like, let me just play like five or ten minutes So I just destroyed the whole level for five minutes and it was like kind of relaxing to just say it's like a when you go To like a break room or something like that vacuuming like But you have to get every single piece. Oh yes. You mean a rage room. Is that what they're called? A break room is where you have a pot of coffee with you. Yeah.

I was... Yeah, it's a rage room. Like when you go with a bat and just destroy a bunch of glass things, it has that same kind of like vibe for most of the... Like the whole level. So you could just walk around destroying things and that's it. And you don't have to play the game at all.

So that's like what I did for like the first half hour of me playing. I was just walking around destroying every corner rock. It was awesome. I've only played this game for like 20 minutes, but I kept getting myself stuck because I was just like burrowing into the ground

and then I couldn't figure out how to get out. Yeah. It took me me a good amount of time to realize that he could just climb. I think you guys are just playing Minecraft. Yeah, it's sort of like Minecraft that you can only destroy things now. Wrong. Oh my God, if they DLC'd

and then Donkey Kong could start building things, that would be crazy. Also, what platform is this on, Adam? This is a Nintendo Switch 2 game. That's right. You know how good this game is? That would be crazy. Also, what platform is this on, Adam? This is a Nintendo Switch 2 game. That's right. You know how good this game is? Last week I was like, Adam, do you and your fiance

want to go get dinner with me tonight? And Adam goes, nah, I'm gonna play Donkey Kong. I mean- Which is different from the usual response of just nah. That's what I was gonna say. That's not that different. But this time I had a reason. I was working, guys.

I knew that I had to talk about talking about it. Got a 10 out of 10 on IGN. The game is actually really good. So I think IGN compared it to Zelda. Breath of the Wild and Odyssey. And Odyssey. Which is a wild. It is made by the Super Mario Odyssey team.

And I could see the comparison to Zelda just because there are puzzles and things that you have to do and it's not overtly clear. Like you just will be going through the level, you stumble upon this thing, and there's a thing you could do where you like clap and see all around you, and you could see a banana and be like, oh, I gotta get the banana.

And every time you get a banana, it goes, oh, banana! And it's awesome. But, I love Japan. I do the same thing. After a long run, I'm like, oh, banana. The game is just, it's just fun. Yeah, I need to play. I'm going to play it on the plane today.

It's going to be fun. Yeah. Because I feel like you might lowkey like this. Yeah. Just walking around bashing things around. Well, there's like a point to it. But in the process, you get to things Well, there's like a point to it, but in the process you get to destroy Like a point. Yeah, you can play the level if you want like that's what I started doing yesterday and I've gotten already fairly far

I don't know how long the game is. So I don't know I heard it's not I'm at but someone said it's like 20 hours to Beat it but they multiple people are like 50 or 60 hours into it. I feel just like Everywhere. Oh, yeah, the comparison of that kind of time. That's a flight to China. That's literally, you can beat the game for the way 20 hours are there. That's fair. You know how many hours I have in Dota 2?

Can I guess? You should guess. How long have you been playing this game? Since 2011. Since 2011, okay. Is this a word you're paying attention? Cause you said it out loud right before we started? I don't know, I do remember what you said.

Oh, so that these guys. 20,000, 20,000 what? Hours. Hours? 20,000? Yeah. I mean, now my number's gonna seem low as hell. Can I say what I think it is?

Because I think I remember it. Yeah. Was it 4,168 hours? It was 4,620 hours. That's a lot of hours. That's not a lot, you're not even an expert yet. I'm still the second to lowest here. You gotta put in your 10,000 hours. Yeah, 10,000 hours, babe.

That's how you get good at the thing. That's true. 10,000 hours. So you're kind of a rookie still. Yeah. Yeah. If I put that into learning piano or something though. Do you want to know how many days that is?

Ellis just did the math. Okay, but you said 4620. Yeah, but also think about this. You're only awake for like 12, like 14 or 16 hours. Stop letting your facts get in the way of this joke. No, so double that. No, it's sad enough. It's a hundred and 92 days.

You haven't seen it. So it's basically double that. No, it's sad enough. It's 192 days. You haven't seen it. So it's basically twice that. It's over a year effectively of waking hours that I've played Dota. Damn. RuneScape people, that's basically getting out of the tutorial. This is only since 2011.

So in the last 15 years. That's 14 years. That's in the last 14 years, you spent one entire year playing this game. That's so much. That's only one. That's in the last 14 years you spent one entire year That's so much that's only one 14 that's like if you you just had 15 years of time and you just sat still for one whole year and just play the game That's so much Wow one 14th of your day. That's what two hours a day Every day that's not that crazy. Yeah two hours two hours a day? Every day. That's not that crazy. That's a lot. Two hours?

Two hours a day, but think about one day being six hours. You've never done a six hour. I've literally never done that. Can that take that? A six hour game session. Oh man. Oh man. Neither have I. There were periods.

I'm just gonna. Yeah, we should just go to trivia. This is a great time to move on to trivia. The thing about this conversation is, half the people are like rookie numbers, the other half of people are like, you have no life. That's true.

I only play this like once a month now, by the way. And I only play it for like two hours, like once a month. The first step is admitting you have a problem. Sorry, I messed up trivia. That's crazy, because just like by laws of averages, you must have had like a steep amount of hours before. Oh yeah, college. And a little bit after. And then in between jobs actually in between

my last job and this job i took a month off between jobs i played dota for like eight hours i remember you telling me that because i started here already yeah i was like what'd you do play dota play dota for a month straight okay it's on his screen right now you still haven't won one let's do it ellis yeah what you haven't beaten the game yet Okay. It's on his screen right now. He's still having one. One? Do it, Ellis. Yeah, what, you haven't beaten the game yet? Just pause it. There's no game to beat. You can't pause an online game, Andrew.

Sounds like a skill issue. Guys, all right, so. People are bored. We've covered lots of really great topics so far today. We have Ian Morgritt wants to go, but this feels like a great time to announce that in early slash possibly mid slash, there's a chance it might be late August.

We will be publishing, posting, releasing, dropping the next edition of trivia extravaganza. Whoa. That's right. And as promised. Well, I shouldn't say as promised because I'm not following through on this promise. A few weeks ago, I promised that there would be a lobster category in Trivium Extravaganza. We had so many bangers that I had to scoot. It had to go, boot.

That's the word I was looking for. It's really early in the morning. Normally we record this much later in the morning than it is today. Yeah, sure, it is early. So guys, I'm taking one of those lobster questions and we're doing it right now. Are you ready?

Guys, and if this doesn't prove they're freaky. I love those sea bugs, I love eating those. Guys, prior to being exposed to oxygen, what color is a lobster's blood? Everyone knows this. Just learned this yesterday. Everyone knows this? I feel like there's a default answer to

what color is something's blood when it's not the normal color. Then put it down. Okay. Yeah. Sounds like we're wrong. Sounds like we're wrong, yeah. It's gonna be like neon green or something.

I would start thinking freaky, guys. This isn't no normal animal. This is a lobster. Really? It's gonna be like neon green or something. I would start thinking freaky guys. This isn't no normal animal. This is a lobster. Really? This is King Freak of the Sea. Tired of being exposed to oxygen. So before they start breathing, when they're in the womb, when it's on its way.

Do lobsters have wombs? Wait, actually I don't know. Or do they lay eggs? They lay eggs. Also in your circulatory system, blood leaves the heart, oxygenated, and returns to it depleted of oxygen. So before it gets back to the heart.

Yes, but if you cut a lobster open, it will oxygenate. Oxidize? Oxidize. Ox. Just box up. Dad, can I go home? It's four in the morning, I can't do this anymore. There's an answer to this. Guys, it's two, yeah, there is an answer to this. You either know it or you don't.

And I have even more lobster questions if you guys get a- So it's more insane than the color I'm thinking. I don't know, I don't know what you're thinking. We'll see. Say it out loud. Don't do it. Don't do it. I almost did.

It's a trap, it's a trap, just like last week. Yeah. So it's a laptop. Okay, we'll be right back. Support for the show comes from Shopify. Look, any business venture that you partake in comes with its fair share of ups and downs. That pressure to grow can get suffocating if you're lacking the right tools and support.

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All right, welcome back. Andrew, Marques, David, I've got a riddle for you. What is black and white and orange all over, but not all over, just in between black and white? Probably not the CMF Watch 3 Pro because it'll probably come in in a different color than it looks online, like every other product. in between black and white probably not the cmf watch 3 Pro because It'll probably come in in a different color than it looks online like every other product. Oh Good answer. Yeah, that was exactly it

We've got new cheap to talk about you You probably you've probably heard of the CMF watch 2 Pro Watch Pro 2 I hate everything Yes, the name is different. Yeah, it was watched to yeah watch Pro 2 and this is the watch 3 Pro Okay, I'm not kidding. What if there are multiple? watches watches 3 pro Well CMF the color material finished the sub brand of the sub the the cheap sub brand of the cheap company that is no

longer cheap anymore nothing has released a ninety nine dollar currently seventy nine dollar because it's early sales smart Smartwatch called the CMF Watch 3 Pro. It has a 1.43 inch OLED display with a 10% increase in screen to body ratio from the Watch 2. And it comes in three colors and it can do chat GPT for some reason. So the colors are what actually confused me the most here.

Same. So the colors are dark gray, light gray and orange. But if you notice the styles and all of those colors are also different. Yeah, these are just three different ones. These are just three completely different watches style-wise. So the orange is actually a dark gray bezel

and like metal piece, which with some orange accents a flat bezel that's kind of notched with the orange. Then the dark gray, no wait, sorry, that was the orange color that's actually dark gray. Then the dark gray is just kind of a lighter gray. So it's like middle gray, it's like the middle porridge. And it looks angled, not flat maybe? I think it's kind of flat, but it has no notches.

And it has a little like etch in the bottom left that says CMF by nothing. And then light gray is a lighter gray, but it's kind of got like a beveled or like curved design. It's not flat. Perhaps you can call it a lip. A lip. Yeah, lip is a good way. Yeah. They also took out the swappable bezels from the last one and this is like this is now nothing not nothing this is now cmf going back on a lot of replaceable parts like we talked about how the uh the what is the the phone with the replaceable back parts that we have a phone and the other one that that we

talked about two weeks ago fairphone fairphone how the. The Fairphone 6 has those replaceable back parts now, and then the CMF Phone 1 also had the replaceable back parts, and when they released the CMF Phone 2, most of them were not compatible with the CMF Phone 2. And now they're kinda doing the same thing with the watch, where they introduce a new replaceable, swappable paradigm, but they don't keep it going, which kind of sucks. It's just a lot of e-waste.

It's a lot. CMF makes some really cool looking things, but a lot of the stuff they do kind of makes you scratch your head. One of them being calling it the Watch Pro 2 and then the Watch 3 Pro. It feels like that is CMF in a nutshell. It does have dual band GPS though, which is kind of interesting. That's a feature that we're only seeing

in like higher end smartwatches these days. It's got good stuff. I mean, it's what 13 days of battery life, although it says under typical usage, which is 11 days with heavier tracking and 4.5 days with always on display. I mean, that's still good. It's still good for a smartwatch.

For sure. Says it charges 100% in 99 minutes. This is an AI powered coaching, what everybody's asking for these days. It's the new rage. Everyone's doing that now. But nobody wants it. We don't know if anybody wants it

because nobody's asked for it, but maybe it's good. Maybe it's. I feel like Apple just announced it at DubDub and then Samsung was like, make that fast, make that fast, make that fast. Yeah, write that down, write that down. And then now CMF wants to do it.

I wonder if anyone likes that. I mean, we're gonna find out this year. This will be the year we find out. And then next year they'll either all disappear and no one will hear from them again, or they'll be everywhere. I think it's gonna be the former. Yeah.

We'll see. Yeah. Okay. The other thing is that now you will be using the Nothing X app gonna be the former. Yeah. See? Yeah. Okay. The other thing is that now you'll be using the Nothing X app to control the watches and I believe the previous watches will also be transitioning to the Nothing X. That's nice at least,

because the headphones also use the app. It is nice. Oh, the CMF headphones too. Sorry, the Nothing Headphone 1. I agree that doing it all in one app is nice. It's just weird that this is the CMF stuff that's now doing the nothing things. Yep.

CMF's doing nothing. Nothing tries so hard to be trendy. And I feel bad talking to Mac because I do appreciate how hard they try, right? Like so much harder than everyone else, but they try so hard and make so little sense all the time that when you say nothing X app, instead of X representing the interchange

of all their products, it just sounds like nothing is collaborating with a company called app. Yeah. With, oh, oh, oh. It's just that's all I hear. Not with X like Twitter. Like the nothing X app.

Yeah. Well, speaking of nothing, we saw a random post from Essential, which if you remember the Essential brand, the Essential PH1 was one of the greatest phones ever created. One of the the greatest phones ever created. One of the most acidic phones ever created too. Interesting.

Yeah. Yeah, so famously Andy Rubin's phone company, it was supposed to be sort of like the pinnacle of what Android could be. It had a beautiful design. It was one of the first teardrop notch phones. It didn't have a headphone jack and they added like a little Pogo pin adapter to

add a headphone jack, which was really lame. But it had a DAC in it. Anyway, it was really, really cool. It was a really cool company. And then they just disappeared sort of out of nowhere because they kind of like ran out of money. They also launched on sprint in the United States, which was the stupidest thing you could possibly do. And then it just paid for a long time. And then in 2021, Carl Pei bought the brand and allegedly nothing was originally gonna be called Essential.

They were just gonna take over the brand and then they didn't and they called it Nothing. So they've just done nothing with the Essential brand. I kind of forgot that they owned that brand. Yeah. Well, did they really announce it much back then or like, I think it was just like, I started talking about it in the last couple of, like,

they didn't really announce it or do anything with it. No. He did a video like a month ago about why they bought it. And what was cool about it is someone who works at nothing now has the old project gem, the second phone they were going to release. That was a really skinny one. If you have a chance to watch the video,

the funniest thing is the keyboard, because in order to fit the keyboard, so for anyone who doesn't know, Project Gem was an extremely thin phone, like a four by one aspect ratio. And in order to fit the keyboard, it basically had to diagonally go across the screen from left bottom to right upwards to fit everything and it took like three quarters of the screen up to just put an entire

keyboard yeah and it's very funny go watch that video if you want to see what project gem could have been but possibly in one of the biggest letdowns of all time uh we see this post on twitter that's just print Hello World from the Essential account and everyone's like, oh my God, it's Essential coming back. Are they gonna make another Essential phone? It's gonna be amazing, because everyone forgot that nothing had bought them. And then they just started posting about Essential Space,

which is like the key on the new Nothing phones. That's what that is. It adds your stuff to the Essential space. It's called the essential key. And it's like, wow, you really took a really amazing brand and you just used it for an AI feature that nobody really likes. I probably wouldn't take the brand name.

The phone was really cool and in hindsight it was, but it was getting memed on so hard because they called it the essential phone right in the peak of first getting rid of the headphone jack. Like everyone was like, what the headphone jack's not essential. And back then that was a crazier thing. And also Andy Rubin just didn't have the best record.

Which kind of really killed the company. He did until his stuff happened. And then the gem phone came out like right around when he got in trouble and exposed. So that was fun. So yeah, I probably would also get, but it was a weird thing for them to tweet from the account. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Everyone got all stoked and then they were just like, you can integrate to Google Calendar with the essential key. And everyone's like, oh no, is that? Yeah, I want the essential space to get better. I've talked about it in every new phone review I've done for a nothing phone, just to see how they've improved it over the time

that it's been out. And it still doesn't sync anywhere. So I have this thing where I save links and I save things that I wanna remember later. But I use, actually right now I use raindrop.io, which is multi-platform. But the whole point is I can access it from anywhere,

I can access it from my computer, I can save things from my computer, I can access stuff from my phone, save things from my phone. And this is a kind of useful tool, but it only works on your phone and only pulls from the stuff you saved earlier on your phone.

So if you have any other device that you save stuff from, it won't show up here. So my number one ask for this is for it to't show up here. So my number one ask for this is for it to get backed up somewhere, maybe I can just access it from a browser or something, that just, that would make it a multitude more useful for me. And then from there, it can just be the place

that I dump stuff that I wanna remember later, that's kinda cool, they can add features there, it could be useful, add calendar events, whatever. But yeah, every time they announce a new phone, I go, oh, it's still getting better, but I'm still not gonna use it because I can only use it on my phone. Yeah.

Which theoretically Google should have the ability to do all of those things because they have all your calendar data and all your drive data. Yeah, just Google tasks. And all your Gmail data. I was just gonna say, isn't that just the Google Suite? Like everything you just described. That's the possibility of the Google Suite,

but they haven't actually done anything like that. Yeah, which is why all these new AI browsers are popping up. Like OpenAI is reportedly working on their own browser. And the whole perplexities comment, the whole value chain of that is that if you're talking to the AI model all the time, it learns more about you so the browser can be more personalized.

But Google's had the opportunity to do that for a really long time and they haven't done it, which is very fun. I mean, I don't know how you would train a model like that, so this could be a stupid question, but doesn't Google already have all that information? Like, why do I need to continually talk to it again? Like, it already has everything. I don't think you really do.

I just think that they probably are trying to try to find a line between privacy and figuring out how much of your data to use and then also it's Google. Yeah. And that's kind of the answer. I feel like they kind of were onto something a long time ago but then never really finished it.

You remember Google Now? Remember when they- Google Now on tap? Yeah, Now on tap. Which was, and then they added like on screen stuff but basically the idea was, oh, we're Google, we know all this stuff about you, we see your calendar, we see your Gmail,

so when you wake up in the morning, Google now is going to tell you what you need to know right now, which is, oh, there's a little extra traffic on your way to work because I know where you work and I know how long it takes for you to get to work and when you typically leave, so leave 10 minutes earlier and you'll get there on time, and here's the things you're gonna do when you get to work

and here's the calendar events and how you need to go from thing to thing. And that idea of knowing everything about you and being helpful for you is useful, it's helpful. And yeah, Gemini could do some more of that, I think, but in general right now, it's kinda not. Basically the best Gemini feature now is to take a screenshot and have it added to your calendar.

Which is good, yeah. But same thing that Siri, same thing visual intelligence does on the iPhone. If you use Apple Calendar. Yeah, I feel like Google now got so watered down and just put into like the little pixel widget that's on like the top left. It was so useful for so long.

Yeah, no way. Anyway. Speaking of Google. Nice. As usual. That's all I added to that conversation. That's nice. I was reading about Raindrop IO, it looks pretty cool.

It's great. It sounds pretty good. I just don't want to say anything. It's just like a save for later kind of place? Basically, you remember Pocket? Yeah. Yeah. You know how Pocket's kind of like going away?

Yeah. So I switched to this. Didn't Pocket, they made a new Pocket called like Folio or something too. Oh, the people. I need to try that too. Yeah, so I switched to this. Didn't Pocket, they made a new Pocket called like Folio or something too. Oh, the people. I need to try that too? Yeah, probably. I've been using, because Pocket had an app that was native on a bunch of platforms.

I had the Pocket app on my phone, my tablet, the browser extension, everything. So anytime I needed to say something for later, I just put it in my Pocket. And now that that is like going away, Range Rover IO is essentially that. Pocket has such better branding though. It is. Put it in my pocket. Yeah, so dope. Perfect.

What are you gonna say with Raindrop? Put it in my raindrop.io. Yeah, I don't love saying that out loud. I put it in my bucket. Not a great verb. We've all expected a whole song about it. In my back pocket? In my back pocket.

It's true. But yeah, I use Raindrop now and it's about the same thing. Speaking of Google. Speaking of Google. Yes, okay. So Google has been notoriously bad at keeping things a secret. At this point, I'm afraid to ask why, I don't know why. Things just leak for months before they come out for Google.

Before they're even announced. Yeah, before they're even confirmed to be real products. So Google started owning that in the past couple of years. They've poked fun at that. They've started revealing things before the leaks can even do it or whatever. They're doing this now with the Pixel 10. They've just shown us the design of the Pixel 10, which

is only a design. We don't know the specs. We don't know the price. There are other things that they can announce later. Great. That'll probably also leak, but whatever. But what they're showing us as a design is the Pixel 10. And what's interesting here is one,

it's basically the Pixel 9. Yeah. A little bit of a different titanium-ish color. Two, if this is in fact a Pixel 10, because there's a nice little 10 second video that they're showing us, which is like they're unveiling it. If this is in fact the Pixel 10 and not the 10 Pro, then confirmed triple cameras on the base Pixel 10,

which is a nice upgrade, which I think we've mentioned this on a previous episode, makes it even more challenging to distinguish it between the 10 and the 10 Pro. What are they gonna do on the 10 Pro that's not on the 10, if there's triple cameras on the 10? Maybe, yeah. Brighter screen. We might have some rumors.

I want full speculation on this. I even created a theory. Let's hear the theory. Okay, so. You sounded so proud. We talked about that. I even created a theory. I need to make Google leaks interesting

because they happen every damn day. So, like you said, there's a 10 second video that showed the Google, it just said 10 and a pixel with three cameras. So we're hoping, I'm hoping personally, a base model 10 with a telephoto. Then Google India tweets this different ad that says ask more of your phone, Google Pixel 10 Pro.

It's the same exact phone. It has the exact like lens flare coming off of the visor. It's in a little different scenario. So then I'm like, oh no, this is just the 10 Pro. It doesn't have 10. But Android Headlines has done a bunch of different leaks to the point where it seems like they have the camera specs, which might help us understand the different,

if there are three on the base, what the difference is. And that is that the base phone will be using Pixel 9a sensors for everything, where the 10 Pro and 10 Pro XL will have upgraded sensors. That is so hard to sell. So they both have triple cameras, but the Pro has better triple cameras. Correct. Regular people are not gonna Pro has better triple cameras. Correct.

Regular people are not gonna care. This is funny, yeah. But I don't, yeah, I don't think that matters. I agree, I hate to ding them for that because I think in the world of people deeply researching their phones, they will realize that that's probably something that is worth it if you take a lot of pictures

and photos and videos and all that, but that is very hard for the regular person to understand. Oh, there's triple cameras on this one and there's triple cameras on this one. Okay, I guess I'll just save my money and get the 10. I would argue most people, if they said there's two cameras on this and three on the other,

they would be like, what does that do? I think most people know that you get the ultra wide or you get the zoom. I don't think most people know what an ultra wide really does. The point 5X. Most people just call it the point 5X I guess. But if you get the extra camera, that means it'll do better when you zoom basically.

And if they both have that better zoom, then what's the point of upgrading to the pro if they both have it? I don't think Google's trying to get people to upgrade to the Pro. That's kinda how it feels. Yeah. Which is-

I just want anyone to have one. Wait, maybe this is kinda hero work. Maybe they're just doing the best possible base phone and then they're like, the Pro phones, whatever. We don't care that much about those, but we wanna make the best base phone. What if they just call them the Pro phones, but there's nothing different

and they charge $300 more. That's actually what's happening. I think you could argue the opposite way of it almost being nefarious of let's just throw three on the bottom phone, but they're not as good, but no one's gonna know the difference between good cameras, bad cameras. They just see three bigger number.

How do we know that that's the regular one and not the Pro? We don't. We don't. Shouldn't we assume it's the Pro then, if it has three cameras? Well, India posted that it's the Pro. We don't. We don't. Shouldn't we assume it's the pro then, if it has three cameras? Cause that's what it's always been. Well, India posted that it's the pro. India posted it's the pro, but there have been tons of rumors

of the base having a third camera to the point of like specs coming out for you. Google India account, not the country of India. Well, so that was my theory that Google's trying to confuse us with their own leaks now. I think it's very- Like putting one as the 10 and one as the 10 Pro

and being like, now you don't know. Our leaks are so bad, maybe if we leak more, you'll be more confused. I think the real answer is whoever runs the Google India account doesn't talk to the person who runs the Made by Google account and just tweeted that it's the 10 Pro and oops, they just told everyone it's the 10 Pro.

Yeah. So let's see, who thinks there will be three cameras on the base 10? I think there will be two cameras on the base. Well, according to these Android headlines, renders, because they have renders of four of the colors, which are god awful by the way. Totally disagree.

Okay. I love these colors. Lemon Cello. Amazing. Okay. It's not. If that's the color of lobster blood, I will admit it is freakier than crabs. It looks like piss.

It's sick piss though. Sure. Okay, and then we've got Frost, which is kind of like a very, very, very muted blue. It's actually like the same color as the like MacBook air blue. It's barely blue. Barely blue. You've got Indigo, which is like a deep blue, which is actually quite nice. Sounds fire. And obsidian, which is just black, but well, it's gray. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. That's the one. Hell yeah. Go on. All right, well, you know, black technical,

yeah, okay, whatever. Yo, they got that in gray? It absorbs everything you got that in gray. It is all colors. Usually they do the worst, like the more insane colors for the cheaper model. That's a very good point. So I would imagine that these are the cheaper models

because I don't see Google selling a piss-colored pro phone. That's a valid. I can't wait, I'm pre-ordering now. They already did. Because these are bright-colored phones, these are probably the base phones, and they appear to have triple cameras, therefore, triple cameras on the base phones.

That would be my speculation. I think it's obvious. We've all learned that pro people are not allowed to have fun colors. That's true, yeah. They're probably gonna have like a black and a white for the pro and that'll be it. Hell yeah.

Hell yeah. Yeah, I'm into that. You can't be a pro and have fun at the same time. No. Apple's proved that. Well, you know, you just put a skin on it. That's all. Adam, did you say that there was a piss colored

pro phone before? They've had a very similar to this. Yeah, I don't know if it was pro, but it was like a six. Yeah, six or six A one of those. It was like a yellowish. It was lemon cello. Pro? No, not a pro.

I don't think it was a pro. Similarly colored to this like weird. Lemongrass, I think it was called lemongrass. Yeah, that sounds right. Yeah, but that was a regular model. Yeah. I do love it. Told you. I already got you on my side. Oh wait, sorry, I was looking at the old one. Well, that was a regular model. Yeah. I do love it. Told you.

I already got you on my side. Oh wait, sorry, I was looking at the old one. Well, that was fast. I was looking at the old one. The old one, the lemon grass was nice. This one is like, it's like if piss fell into like a nuclear reactor. Like if you just drank Gatorade for like three weeks.

The Pixel 7. Actually, it kind of looks like Gatorade. You would also dehydrate it. The Pixel 7 kind of has the smell. My day just looks like lemon cello, I don't know. I think it's awesome. Yeah. Actually, it kinda works like they did. You were also dehydrated. The Pixel 7 kinda happens to be. My day just looks like Levin Shallow, I don't know. I think it's awesome. Yeah. I think it's a sick. I kinda like it.

Well anyway, I assume that they're the cheaper ones, which would also say that there are three cameras on the cheap ones. Is anyone here going two cameras on the base? Not anymore, I guess. Really? It seems like fire colors for the pros. That would be really interesting. I mean, Michael Fisher will be happy.

I want, I'm hoping three. If there's three, I think I'm going back to Pixel, a base Pixel. You should, cause I hate Samsung's UI. My, dude, I finally, I like their UI ever since one UI seven. I've had the weirdest random things that just happened to my phone all the time. And I'm so sick of it.

And they never happened on my Pixel. Do Android. Do you have any other problems? The Android 16 beta on my Pixel 9 Pro XL is so nice. It's nice. Even though it's still buggy and even though it still has terrible battery life, that look of, what are we calling it again?

Material 3 Expressive. Yeah, Material 3 Expressive. Awful name. Whatever it's called, it's nice, it's playful, but it's still clean, it's not too messy. Being an Android user is such a toxic relationship. I've been having those same bugs, but I refuse to go back, because it just looks so good.

It does look so good. So I'm excited for a final, finished, clean, bugless version of that on this new phone, with a TSMC design chip, an amazing silicon carbon battery, and all this other stuff that's totally not gonna happen. But yeah. I mean, I'll have the TSMC design chip and amazing silicon carbon battery and all this other stuff that's totally not gonna happen. But yeah. I mean, I'll have the TSMC chip. I don't know about the silicon carbon battery.

We'll see. Yeah. Okay. Well. If I could design my dream pixel, it would just be this design. That color. Right?

Give me, yeah, whatever. Give me yellow, I don't care. But give me the great cameras, obviously. Give me super fast charging, silicon carbon battery, 6,000 milliamp hours, and give me like, I don't care. But give me the great cameras, obviously, give me super fast charging, silicon carbon battery, 6,000 milliamp hours, and give me Snapdragon 8 Elite performance. I don't care how you do it, DSMC design, Swiss Qualcomm, whatever you gotta do,

give me great performance, and I'm all in. Let me get a trifold. The display is already pretty good. Trifold, not happening. Google has a lot of work to do. No headphone jack. Yeah, I'm there with the Pixel. I'm right there.

Well, I guess we'll see soon because the official event is August 20th. It is coming soon. Which is a Wednesday, so we'll be recording on that day. Nice. Speaking of trivia. I think that was the wrong button. Whoops, wrong button.

There we go. Also wait, we weren't talking about, okay. All right, trivia. So here's a question for you. I'm gonna read a few quick short reviews of a phone and you have to tell me what phone it is. Who wrote the reviews? I will tell you.

Oh. All right, from Wired. Positively noted its design, battery life, performance, and stock Android OS, but disliked the camera and built-in speaker. And Gadget. Praised its build quality, edge-to-edge display, performance, battery life,

and clean build of Android 7.1.1, but criticized the screen's brightness and lack of a headphone jack. I fix it. I already know what the phone is. Gave the phone a one out of 10 in terms of repairability because it was almost impossible to open without freezing and ultimately breaking it.

I definitely know what this is. Tech reviewer Marques Brownlee gave the phone an award. Hey, that's cheating. Don't do that. Don't do that. I know what it is. That's cheating. I already know what it is.

I also know what it is. We'll see. We'll see if you know what it is. There was a conversation about this this week on the internet. I gave it an award. Yeah, I did Hmm. I think I remember what the word looks like What the award looks like whoo. I really hope you guys get this one wrong Yeah, the trophy from that year was different, right? Can I get an extra point for what material the trophy was made out of no cuz you ordered it. Yeah

Can I get an extra point for what material the trophy was made out of? No, because you ordered it. Yeah. Yeah, I'll give you an extra point if you want another lobster question. I would love another lobster question. All right. It's a three. It's a three question episode, guys. All right. Which of the following lobsters are found in U.S. waters? Hit it, Adam.

The spiny lobster. Lobster. It's so early. A, the spiny lobster. Blah, blah, blah. That's so early. A, the spiny lobster. B, the true lobster. C, the squat lobster. Or D, the musical furry lobster. The musical furry lobster. The musical furry lobster.

That's freaky. Well, let's make it a lobster musical. Freaky, right? Yo. Wait, why? Cause it's furry? Cause I sent you a furry crab the other day and said, ain't this freaky?

Yeah, but is it a musical furry crab? A furry crab? Yeah. How can anything be furry when it's underwater? Guys, don't Google that question. I was gonna say furry crab. No. Be careful.

Guys, what do you think the heaviest lobster ever observed in US waters was? This is not for points. 30 pounds. Guys, what do you think the heaviest lobster ever observed in US waters was? This is not for points. 30 pounds. It was 45 pounds. I bet. I was pretty close. We eating good tonight.

Yeah, we eating good. Yeah. That's wild. All right. Well, anyway, we're gonna think about the answers to the trivia questions, we swear. And we'll be right back. Yeah. Welcome back!

This is the last episode that you will be seeing this month, which means it's time for Crown or Clown, our monthly-ish, because we didn't do it last month, segment where basically we talked about the best thing that happened in the tech sphere this month and the worst thing. So we're going to go around, talk about our things. Ellis is going to kick us off with a horrible thing. I saw someone do something goofy this week. And, you know, I like to think of myself, I like to think of this room as SeaWorld and myself as Shamu and America's billionaire class as all sitting in the splash zone. And I will take any opportunity I get to just drench them in embarrassment.

And today's goofball money bag McDuckie head is none other than OpenAI CEO, Sam Altman, who in the most tone deaf way possible announced that him and Oracle and SoftBank will be increasing their power usage by 4.5 gigawatts. That is the same amount of electricity as around four million US households, which would increase the total number of households

on the US grid by 3%. Sam, why do you think people are stoked on this? That's how the orb doing. Yeah, how's the orb doing? Is it clown more clowns first? I have more clowns. Yeah, do a clown. Drop one. Olaf Gustafsson. Who's that? Oh, duh.

The guy who tried to get away with the Escobar thing is going to federal prison now. In his defense, he did get away with it for a little bit. The FBI was on his ass for like five years. And also he made like $300,000 and that was like five years ago. Yeah. He could have made more money at a tech company.

He could have got a job with Metta. That's like an $80,000. He could have just worked remote for liketa. That's like an $80,000. He could have just worked remote for like five different tech companies at the same time. Yeah, but all that crime bought him a three-bedroom home in Milwaukee. That's true. That's true. Did it? I don't know.

That's just what I would think. I would assume that is about $300,000. I bet that's more expensive. Milwaukee? Adam's Clown Time. I'm looking at four bedrooms for 250 here. Okay. Milwaukee's hot. Milwaukee's milhadi.

All right, my clown is the Fujifilm X half. Oh wow. Yeah, that happened this month. You hated it? I didn't hate it, I just think it's not worth it. Also, wasn't that last month? Well we didn't do last month, so we can. No, that wasn't last month.

We talked about it this month. Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, we talked about it this month. That's Sony, is that $5,000 Sony that last month? Well, we didn't do last month, so we can't. No, that wasn't last month. Because we talked about it this month, I'm saying. Oh, yeah, yeah, we talked about it this month. Is that $5,000 Sony A camera? I got Clown. Well, I need to see it first. Is it RX1R? RX1R, yeah.

RX1R3. I need to use it before I say it's a Crown product. Yeah, it could be a Crown product. That's fair. That's very fair of you. Thank you. That's fair. Fair guy.

All right, we want to switch it to Crowns? I have one that could be either, and I'll let you guys decide. Oh, okay. Thank you. That's great. Fair guy. All right, we wanna switch it to crowns. I have one that could be either, and I'll let you guys decide. Oh, okay. Thank you, S. Fortnite released Fantastic Four skins. Fantastic. Can we say that on the plot?

Yeah. I'm going clown. They're skins for a game. I'm going- From Fantastic Four. Clown for the thing itself, crown for that headline. For the crown. I was gonna go the other way around actually, but. Yeah, yeah, sure, yeah.

If you wanna play like Fantastic Four, I don't see what we're all laughing about. Did those actually come out or was it a leak? I think they came out. I thought it was like a random- Everybody was waiting for them. I don't wanna type. Yeah, do not Google that.

My clown was that when Apple like removed a bunch of the liquid glass and they made it across the glass But they have now brought back a lot of the liquid. Yeah for those who haven't been following this liquid glass at WWDC Everywhere everything is clear crystal clear. You can't read a damn thing It's so beautiful and then they ship this beta to everyone, the first developer beta, so not everyone, but developer beta starts getting tested by people.

And yeah, it is a kind of a readability disaster, right? So what happens is in beta two, when it comes out a few weeks later, people download it and they notice, oh, there's actually a lot of liquid glass backtracking. There's a lot more frosted glass here. Wasn't beta three that they added that? And beta three even more.

Oh yeah, even more. So beta two and beta three, they walked back a lot of the liquid glass to the point where it was actually very similar. I mean, obviously there's lots of still shiny reflective stuff, but a lot of the like floating bubbly elements from before now had like a frosted background

or had like a gradient behind them to make them more readable. Then beta four comes out and liquid glass is back. And they've gone back and they've gotten rid of that gradient and they're going back to a lot of the liquidy stuff. And they're still playing with it. And some of the like Gaussian blur elements happening

along with the refraction around the edges, it's still liquid glass, but they are for sure still tweaking it as of this recording. That was my clown actually, my crown. Oh, your crown. My crown is that liquid glass. Nice, nice.

My crown is the Fuji XF, cause I loved using it. So why did you hate it then? Cause it's so expensive. Oh yeah. But it's so fun. I mean, I feel like we're just starting to see, now that products are launching, we're just starting to see

like tariff effects, right? I feel like the Sony and the Fuji, we're both subject to that. And that's like why they're so expensive. Everything is feeling drastically overpriced now because of the like tariff chaos. And it's not even the fact that there are like are tariffs in place, because that changes every freaking day.

It's the fact that companies can't predict if there's going to be tariffs in place. So they have to price things higher. Safety net. Yeah, it's like safety nets. So they're so sad that they have to price everything so high. Oh, that's really there. They're going to make more money if there's no more tariffs. Yeah.

Okay. So my crown is that the giant insurance company no longer owns our DNA data and it was sold back to Susan Wojcicki's sister. Yeah. Which is dope. Hopefully. She owned 23andMe. So 23andMe, yeah, the old CEO of 23andMe has bought back the data.

So no longer, hopefully, will our genetic data be sold to insurance companies for at least a couple more years. Allegedly. Allegedly. I'm sure that it will at some point, but the longer we can starve off these companies from denying my insurance claims, the better. She's gonna start an AI firm with it.

So that was my first crown. My second crown is that we did a live show and it was cool. The live show was awesome. Oh, yeah. We're the crown, baby. Hold up. It's like in Mario Kart world when you're in first place and you suddenly have a little crown on.

That's how I'm feeling right now. You know what I'm saying? Wait, I want to change my crown. Donkey Kong bonanza. Yeah. So we all agree the crown is us, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. We are tech. We are technology. Why are you thinking about this? Yeah, dude. Come on. All right, yeah. No, that's fair.

We put a lot of work into that. He's like, I don't know, that made a four, man. Yeah, I'm still thinking about glass, man. I'm still confused. Do you like that it's going back to not being able to be red? I like it. No, I.

Yeah. I like that I can't understand it. It's a bit sarcastic, but it's kind of just that, able to be read? I like it. No, I. I like that I can't understand it. It's a bit sarcastic, but it's kind of just that like, like if you follow this online, on Twitter and threads, like people are like rooting for it to be back. And then there are other people who are like, this is terrible.

So it's causing so much like commentary. It's one of the weird instances of us clearly seeing Apple listening to the internet and feedback that they've gotten, which is, maybe that's kind of nice, but it is clearly affecting the way it looks. Nice and a sign of the times that like, is Apple scared a little bit? Yeah.

They never listen. I don't mind that, like we can frame it so many different ways, like if any other company goes and comes out with a software that looks a little bit janky and we're like, whoa, this is bad, and then through three beta updates in three weeks, it suddenly looks way better. We'd all be like, oh, nice.

They're actually listening to us. But if it's Apple, it's like, oh, they're scared. Or maybe they're, it's kind of, we just frame it a different way. The reason is because Apple is the company that always said, you don't know what you want, we're gonna show you what you want. That is true.

And then now they're like listening to people on Twitter, which is the worst possible thing to do. This is actually like the fact that they have, that they backtracked on it at first, and then people, because ugh, this is like the perfect encapsulation of the internet, right, they announce something, everyone's like, it's garbage, it's horrible,

it's impossible, so that they're like, oh, okay. Mixed in with legit concerns. Change it back, like frost it, and then everyone's like, what the heck, why did you change it? I was like, because you told me to. Cause it's different, I think the fallacy that I find online is because it's coming

from the same website, we assume it's all the same people, but it's two different loud groups of people. So there's one really loud group that's like, I hate everything you do and I just, I saw this thing you came out with and it sucks, so I'm gonna be really loud about how much it sucks. And that group is Twitter. Yeah, well that group's on Twitter,

and then they go back and they change it, and they frost it, and now it's like less liquidy, but more readable. And then the other loud group on Twitter is like, why are you listening to that other loud group? Like, it was fine, you spent all these years developing this crazy new thing, and you're just gonna listen to a week of tweets

and change it back. You're an idiot, what are you doing? So now you're listening to all these loud people on Twitter again, and so you're flip-flopping now, and it So now you're listening to all these loud people on Twitter again. And so you're flip-flopping now and it's just a mess. They're just gonna make up their mind. There was a comment on our YouTube channel a couple weeks ago that said,

this podcast is like listening to a bunch of Apple fanboys that hate Apple. And I was like, so we're doing our job. And that's basically the encapsulation of Twitter. Yeah. Just leave Apple alone. Just leave them alone. Just leave them alone. Leave my them alone. Just leave them alone.

Leave my sweet child alone. Question for you. Do you think that, so here's my conspiracy brain going. I wonder how much of this is just to keep people excited, talking about it, because in my head, the design of the new OS has probably been done for like a year. Like I don't know if they're actually going back and forth

changing things this quickly for something that's gonna drop to a billion phones, you know? It is, yeah. Here's the thing, it is changing. Like they're shipping these betas and they are actually shipping to everyone in the developer community these different versions of it. And I guess if there's a conspiracy world where they have these ready to go to keep

people talking about how liquidy it's going to be, to keep them on the internet like talking about it, that could be interesting. But I just think the whole point of the beta is to ship it to the people who will test it and then take the feedback for how well it works, how buggy it is, how legible it's going to be, and then ship another beta that's better, and then take more feedback and ship another beta that the beta testers have found. And trying to land somewhere in the middle at a reasonable, maybe iconic, maybe they ditched this in two years, but a liquidy glassy look that defines their next couple years of software.

iOS 26 already iconic? Already iconic, question mark? Maybe, maybe. I don't regret that title one bit by the way. So yeah, anyway. To all my haters. All right. Ready?

All right. So Clown. Trivia. Oh, what is that Clown? Do we have to agree? Yeah. Sam Olin. Yeah.

Sure. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Da da da da da. What color is that underwater freak's blood? Oh, is that the first one? Yeah. The first question.

Is it really not what I think it is? I just wanna say. I think we're about to get three wrong answers because all of you are underestimating how freaky this guy is. I just wanna say that when I thought I was remembering that I just learned this, I actually had just Googled octopus blood yesterday.

So I'm now back to square one of just guessing. What would the freakiest color be? Probably clear. Limoncello. That new color that they just like discovered by like beaming lasers in people's eyes. All right, put these boards, guys. All right.

We all have different colors. And, say it. Okay. Who, Marques first. I said green. I said blue. I said yellow. But, Andrew, you did say the freakiest color would be.

Clear. Which is the correct answer. These dudes are freaks. Is clear a color? Oh my God, you're really gonna hit me with that? Yeah. You're really gonna hit me with that right now? I don't think that's even a color.

Nobody got points. What should I have said? What Apple design scheme is- What does it look like? You're telling me they bleed liquid glass. You're gonna ask what does a lobster's blood look like inside its body? What kind of question is that?

This is a family show. You should have phrased it, what do lobsters and iOS 26 beta 4 have in common? What is the opacity slider of lobster blood set at? Two pretty ways. Also crabs also have typically gray or colorless before binding. Colorless?

I'm not letting this go, bro. If it's colorless, then it's not a color. Crabs represent order. Clear isn't a color. Lobsters represent chaos. Adam, please read the score. The score. Marquez with 32.

Andrew with 22. Are you giving him that point for saying clear? No. Okay, so no 22 David with 36 Nice Swifty reference. Okay question six dang Yeah, let's go. This is it These are the scores that you guys are going into the trivia extravaganza with by the way, so no pressure Do you want me to reread the reviews or do you just want to get I know what it is?

You know what it is. Yeah, okay. Well actually, no, do reread it for the audience. Okay, okay, so Wired said, positively noted its design, battery life, and performance, and stock Android OS, but disliked the camera and built-in speaker. Wait, stock Android OS? Stock Android OS. Oh no.

And Gadget praised its build quality, edge-to-edge display, performance, battery life, and clean build of Android 7.1.1, but criticized the screen's brightness and the lack of a headphone jack. iFixit gave the phone a one out of 10 in terms of repairability, because it's almost impossible to open

without freezing and ultimately breaking it. And then you guys cut me off before Marques Brown leaves, but I'm not gonna say it, because that might give it away. I gave it an award. 7.1? 7.1.1? 7.1.1.

These are all like summarized. Stock entered? On its Wiki, by the way. Dang, I got all excited. On the Wiki, it says all of that? On the Wiki, yeah, it says all this. On the Wiki. My awards on the Wiki.

Yeah. Wow. It's the last one, but it is there. Hey, so like the Wikipedia page for this phone. Yes, exactly. Okay. What's the title of that Wikipedia page? Read the URL. Not today. Read the URL real quick.

Just the HTTP code. Ow. Did I review this? You don't want to ask a question, then I'll just argue about something after. Okay, flipping and read. What do we got? I can't see Marques.

So Marques, what did you say? I said the essential pH one. Andrew.'t see Marques. So Marques, what did you say? I said the essential PH1. Andrew? The essential PH1. Correct. You both get it. David, what did you say? Is that really stock Android?

That's what, I'm just reading the reviews, man. David, what did you say? I essentially said something similar. I read your board, David. You had a Nexus up there, didn't you? Yeah, because he said something similar. I read your board, David. You had a Nexus up there, didn't you? Yeah, because he had said stocking. At first I thought this was gonna be the Galaxy S6, but. I'm pretty sure the award was like a green marble color.

S6 had a headphone jack. Yes. Guys, more importantly, which of the following lobsters live in US waters? Let's go A, the spiny lobster, B, the True Lobster, C, the Squat Lobster, or D, the Musical Furry Lobster. Again, A, US Waters, US Territorial Waters, A, Spiny Lobster, B, True Lobster, C, Squat Lobster, D, the Musical Furry Lobster.

Rock Lobster! Rock Lobster! Love that song. Classic. Classic. All right, let's hear it boys. Rock Lobster, B, the True Lobster D, the musical furry lobster. Rock Lobster. Rock Lobster. Love that song. Classic. Classic. All right, let's hear it boys.

In the cold waters of Maine, we all got the answer, spiny lobster. That is correct. However, the true lobster, it was also a correct answer. I gave you a 50% chance, cause aren't I so kind. Is a squat lobster a real lobster? Those are all real lobsters. They just don't live in the world No, I just thought it was oh

There's a lot of question the musical furry lobster is up for debate whether it's a real lobster It is in the same family as lobster, but it is not in the same subclass What part is up for debate? So it's like limes like I do so like like like what about l like what we eat. What about limes? What we eat, I really, okay, we're at a time crunch, so we're gonna back to the- Are they actually lemons?

The limes we eat in the US, right? Whether those are actually limes or not is up for debate because that lime is a crossbreed between a Persian lime or yeah, a Persian lime is a crossbreed between a Persian lime or yeah, a Persian lime and a lemon. And that's why they don't have seeds. Oh, that's kind of dope. But they're not like limes.

Like if you were to go to prehistoric era, you would not see those limes. They're just colloquially limes. They're what we know of as, they're what we most commonly sell in the US as limes because they're a little less sour, they're a little sweeter, and they have a longer shelf life when in stores.

And so the lobster. So this lobster is like the same type beat where it's like, technically, it shares enough genetic information with a classical lobster that it's like, this is a lobster, but it also has some funny business thrown in there. Yeah, that's kind of the deep sea. Squat lobster is not a lobster. What is it? It's an a namora. It'sat lobster is not a lobster. What is it? It's an, a namora. It's more closely resembling a hermit crab.

What's a hermit crab? A crab? It's not a crab. It's very confusing. We definitely don't have time for this, but. Okay. Yes. I just remember reading a lot about it

during the whole lobster crab thing. One last point. The music, the scientific name for the musical furry lobster is Pelippithus Magnificus. That's awesome. Which by the way, Magnificent. Sounds like a Harry Potter spell.

Magnificent. So they can't be freaky if they're magnificent, you know? Or both, I guess. I just wanna say we keep saying we don't have time for this. Sorry. All right, that's freaky and magnificent. That's true.

Guys, can we please- Hey, thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. This has been a fantastic underwater episode of the waveform podcast and In crown or clown, we'll be back very soon with a trivia extravagant. They might be crabs Get subscribed to see it and to see who wins and uses their points the most wisely see you soon Later waveform is reached by Adam Malina and Alice over and we're part of the box me to pockets network and our treasure music was created by Vain

Self. I also just saw a picture of a hermit crab without the shell and it's the grossest thing I've ever seen. I know.