Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Pixel 6a, M2 MacBook Air, and Hyundai Concept Cars!

Episode Date: July 22, 2022

This week Andrew is out of the office, so David joins Marques to talk about all of the new gadgets that have come out including Apple's new M2 MacBook Air and the Google Pixel 6a. Then they talk about the wild looking Hyundai concept cars before wrapping it up with some trivia! Links: M2 MacBook Air review: https://bit.ly/3PIdnlG Plastic Surface Duo: https://bit.ly/3B5IJ1H Hyundai concept cars: https://bit.ly/3aY6Ww0 IGN BMW article: https://bit.ly/3z16K7b Pixel 6a review: https://bit.ly/3zr1ewm Twitters: https://twitter.com/wvfrm https://twitter.com/mkbhd https://twitter.com/andymanganelli https://twitter.com/DurvidImel https://twitter.com/adamlukas17 https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wvfrmpodcast/ Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Shop products mentioned: (We receive a small percentage if you purchase an item using our affiliate links. Thanks for supporting the show!) Buy the Google Pixel 6a at https://geni.us/cq89dk0 Buy the Google Pixel 6 at https://geni.us/1Q7bY Buy the Microsoft Duo 2 at https://geni.us/GRNrO 2020 Apple MacBook M1 Air at https://geni.us/uWQWOF 2022 Apple MacBook M2 Air at https://geni.us/2lUax Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Get groceries delivered across the GTA from Real Canadian Superstore with PC Express. Shop online for super prices and super savings. Try it today and get up to $75 in PC optimum points. Visit superstore.ca to get started. What's going on, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. And I'm David. And this week, we've got a lot to talk about. So David's filling in for Andrew.

We're going to talk about MacBook Air M2, Pixel 6a, some gadgets of the week, but also how Hyundai's been low-key killing it with design lately. Yeah. Maybe high-key, actually. Yeah. And we also got a little bit of a sneak peek about what a mid-range Surface Duo could look like. But first, let's talk about the gadgets because there are so many. Actually, before we talk about the gadgets,

I want to apologize. I want to give an apology because ever since we did Trivia last week, in which both Andrew and I failed to know that Trinitron, Trinitron? Trinitron. Trinitron was the name of this display technology from the 80s. I have never seen more tweets at the Waveform Twitter about how they were screaming internally about how could we not know what Trinitron was.

So I apologize for putting you through that stress. And I will now never forget the name. Yeah. Can we just have a moment of silence for Ellis because we were laughing at him saying it was a ridiculous question. As we recorded it, we were like, Ellis, that was a pretty ridiculous question. But now that we saw the tweets and everybody responding, it turns out we were being ridiculous. We didn't know. We should have known.

We're just out of touch. That's our bet on that. But anyway, let's talk about MacBook Air. MacBook Air M2, the review is now finally out. We know what we're getting into with the MacBook Air. Do you have any hot takes or any thoughts on the MacBook Air now that it's out? Yeah, I mean, I've used it a little bit now. And I like the shape overall, obviously, because they're moved to that flat design.

It's nice. It sort of feels like a mini MacBook Pro. Exactly. Newer MacBook Pro. Yeah. It feels like a mini MacBook Pro. Exactly. Newer MacBook Pro.

Yeah. But I will say I do miss, I do kind of miss the wedge a little bit just because it gave you a slight angle to your hands. Yeah. Which was nice. Yeah. But obviously the new screen is way better. All these things are way better.

But again, a little bit deceptively expensive because you don't want to buy that base model because it only has one 256 gigabyte chip instead of two 128 chips that can work in parallel yeah yeah i think a lot of people sort of missed that but that was kind of one of the biggest points of the review which is the m1 macbook air was amazing it was a thousand bucks and that was like i feel like that was the most universally recommended computer for like two years straight. It was just like, yeah, this computer is great at this price. It's $1,000. It's very competitive.

Go for it. So now this is the upgraded version of that. But anytime you see Apple like leave the old version in the lineup, you always wonder like, okay, what are they doing with pricing here? So they left that at $1,000. You can find it on like Amazon or Best Buy, I'm sure, for like $899 or something. But now the MacBook Air M2 starts at $1,200

and that base version has 8 gigs of RAM and 256 gigs of storage. A $1,200 computer should not have 256 gigs of storage, right? Like a phone or an iPad or something. It's pretty, yeah, it's pretty disappointing. But even at that price,

not only is it not a lot of storage, but it is particularly slow storage. So, like you said, it's using a single SSD chip instead of two in parallel, which would be faster. And so you end up with this like half read, half write speed that kind of gets

annoying when you get into memory swap territory. You got a bunch of Chrome tabs open. You know what they do with RAM and Chrome. Like you start to slow down and you realize that's not performing the way it usually does. And we actually noticed this using it. So I highly, highly recommend upgrading from that base to getting at least the 512 gigs of storage. Yeah.

I mean, I would do that anyway because 256 on a laptop is just not... There's just so many reasons to upgrade. So that puts you at 1,400. Yeah. And that's still with the 8 gigs of RAM. Maybe you bump up the RAM. Maybe you want to bump up the GPU or whatever, but that's at least 1,400.

And that's, I would think about this laptop as a minimum $1,400 laptop. Yeah. Now it's not so easy. Like $1,000, if you have $1,000 to spend, you might still be fine getting the m1 macbook air you're missing out on the new design and magsafe and the fast charging and maybe the extra port now that magsafe opens that up but yeah it's pretty good computer

for for the price still nothing about that changed yeah the m series chips are still amazing um i think i saw a lot of comments being like oh everyone was saying the m chips are still amazing. Yeah. I think, I saw a lot of comments being like, oh, everyone was saying the M chips are so amazing last year and now they're like kind of being negative about M2 chips. It's like, we make a giant generational leap like that.

Obviously, every year after that it's going to be like kind of slow increments. Yeah. But the GPU increases are pretty, are pretty sick.

Yeah. Alone. One of my favorite takes about this laptop because we, I sort of opened the review talking about how this is the first one that's designed around Apple Silicon. Like we had the old body with the Intel MacBook Air, and then we put M1 inside. Now this is all designed around

the chip. I feel like we now realize that the 12-inch MacBook was ahead of its time, just a little bit ahead of its time, because they tried to put an Intel chip in there. was ahead of its time. Just a little bit ahead of its time because they tried to put an Intel chip in there and the 12-inch MacBook makes the new MacBook Air look big. Like this is a very small, thin, thin, ultra-portable laptop

and I want to see that reincarnated with an M1 chip. I feel like that would actually be a really good machine. Yeah, if you've used the new MacBook Pros, like the 14-inch and the 16-inch and then you use a MacBook Air M2, it is weirdly thin because it's like the same shape, but it's like half the height.

It's really weird. Yeah. It's like a little shelf. Yeah. It's awesome. So I'm a fan. I think go watch that review. It's got a lot of good things going for it, but obviously keep that price in mind and keep that you know, that delta. Also the fingerprints. When we were going through the

comments section trying to find the most asked questions everyone was talking about the fingerprints yeah yeah we so we were originally gonna try to do like a sort of a q a style review and it turned out that most of the questions that people were asking were pretty easily answered in the normal review and then the extra bits were just like can you guys like talk about the fingerprints and like how bad that is? It was, uh, it was annoying. We were shooting in,

in like B roll out in the open and Brandon was getting a shot of the back of the computers. I was using it. He's like, Oh, let me just wipe it off real quick. I was like, Nope,

Nope. Can't wipe it off. We got to show it the way it actually looks in the real world, which is, it's going to look like anytime you pick it up as soon as you touch it. So world, which is it's going to look like this. Anytime you pick it up. As soon as you touch it. So, yeah, MacBook Air. It's out there now. Yeah.

Do you want to talk about this Surface Duo? I saw the headline. I did not read the article. So maybe you can fill me in on what this is. Yeah, so there was a potentially cheaper Surface Duo that was supposed to launch I think in 2022, but they cancelled the project last year in 2021. It was going to be made of plastic. Right now, the build

quality of the Surface Duo is pretty good because it's this weird glass and metal with this weird, interesting hinge. And that device... Accurate. Very accurate right there. That device dot, dot, dot. It's just like fundamentally, in my opinion, it feels fundamentally bad because the aspect

ratio is, is too wide when it's like folded over itself to hold with one hand. Right. It's a weird tallness. When you have it open, you have to hold it with two hands. that means you have to have big bezels because your fingers are gonna get it's just it was already weird and it was like 1400 when the first one launched it was insanely expensive so now they're like i guess they were planning on making a cheaper one but i'm assuming how much cheaper does it is that just it never... The original Surface Duo got down to like $450. Well, yeah.

Unintentionally. On sale. Yeah. So I would have imagined this probably would have sold for like $900 or $1,000. Maybe $1,000. And, I mean, when I was reviewing the original Surface Duo, I dropped it once and it completely shattered. And that happened to multiple other people too.

Woof. So maybe a plastic design actually would have been more rugged. Yeah, that's funny. Do you think the Surface Duo as a form factor is doomed? Like you're saying, like the aspect ratio, right? Like all the foldables have to deal with this thing where you need it to be a good phone unfolded and a good phone folded.

Right. And you get phones like the Galaxy Fold, which is like it's kind of tall and thick like a candy bar. It's a little bit worse as a normal phone, but then you open it and it's way better. Right. Then you get the Huawei's of the world. The Surface Duo maybe being the worst version of this compromise where it's kind of bad at both. Yeah. Is it like not worth trying this version again the weird thing about the duo is that it

it works like a book right like a book that you take around with you you don't use the front of the book you don't care about the front of the book you just open it and then you only use it in this two-handed mode and that's the aspect ratio that it's in and so they tried to make it usable with one screen by folding it around itself but when they made the second surface duo they added the bump in the camera module which made it not even fold flush around itself so then you've got this like really weird like shape and holding it with one hand is difficult as it is and i don't know i mean i have heard a lot of people who, now that it's like $400 on the used market and also like on sale every now and then,

it's a really great Kindle reader. If you want an Android-based Kindle that has two pages accessible and apparently the digitizer is less terrible now and you can actually use the device, could be a good Kindle reader. But it had a yeah i don't know when i was reviewing the one and two it was like the glitchiest phone i had ever used in my life same same yeah i specifically mentioned that i think in the red flag was when the embargo was like you can talk all about the hardware as much as you want

and then it'll go on sale and then you can talk about this. Yeah, that was like, I was like, that was when companies start using reviewers to their advantage, and I felt really uncomfortable about that whole situation. Yeah, so the Surface, I don't know,

it is kind of a romantic idea of just having a little pocket notebook around that's digital, and it's like, a good modern version of that would be so nice. Right. Like, I really want that to exist.

Have you ever seen the movie Her before? I haven't, but I've heard of it. Yeah. There's a device in that movie. It's like a retro futuristic movie. And there's a device. His phone is basically a Surface Duo. It's a little pocketbook that he only like, it almost looks like a passport.

And he only opens it up when he wants to use it. That's what it's the size of. Yes. It's a passport. A passport. And he only opens it up when he wants to use it that's what it's the size of yes it's a passport a passport and he can keep it in there's a part where he has it in his shirt pocket and the camera is facing outward and the ai can see his world and he's kind of dancing around see it's like a very romantic idea it'd be cool if it worked like that yes from a usability idea i don't know i do like the idea like something i liked about the duo was that it was a very intentional device. When you close it, it is closed.

You're not getting like ambient notifications that are like you're at dinner with somebody and you're like looking at it constantly. Lighting up. Yeah. You open it. Yeah. Light it up. You open it up. You do the things you need to do and you close it.

And that is very romantic and cool. And I like that. Yeah. But it was, I don't know. I mean, maybe if they could make one that is not so insanely glitchy. Sadly, Android 12 L, which is the more tablet, large phone oriented interface

came out way after these things came out. So that was a problem. Microsoft was trying to put this layer on top of Android that made it see each screen as different screens. But if you took a screenshot, it didn't show the hinge. So the device thought that it was a tablet.

But then Microsoft's additional glitchy layer on top was trying to segment everything. And I don't know. I would like to see a non-glitchy version of this and then maybe be able to evaluate it. Yeah, because I was inspired by the idea. You know, Panos inspires us with his general walkthroughs of like getting in flow and everything like i saw him using it and i was like yeah dual screen phone yeah that's gonna make sense i'm gonna have my tasks on one side my calendar on the other side i'm gonna have my gmail on the left and my browser on the right like i'm gonna i'm gonna have a good time uh yeah maybe maybe one more try yeah surface and with the case the flat pen can magnetically

attach on the two so like I feel didn't it accidentally do that on the first one kind of like loosely yeah it would like fall off after yeah because the hint like when it closes there's like a weak magnet that makes it close together yeah yeah so anyway I have a question for you guys

yeah do you think that if it was not a phone, it would be better? Like if you just don't, that's really funny. That's if you ask Microsoft, they don't refer to it as a phone. No. Right. They're like, but it is, it's got your SIM card in it. And like, you can do phone calls awkwardly on it. If you want to, if they, yeah, if they came out and they were like, here's our surface book, on it if you want to. If they came out and they were like,

here's our Surface Book. Surface Passport. Surface Passport. I think there was a prototype that was supposed to be called the Surface Passport. Oh, the Neo? Oh no, that was a bigger one, I think. There was going to be a bigger one that's cancelled too. I think

because it runs Android, it gets the stigma of like, yeah, it's a phone. Even though we have Android tablets, like when you have a small Android device like that, you can use it with one hand. We just see it as a phone. And so you just start comparing it to phones and the experience is so much worse. But then you get into the idea of like, what is a phone? Because any Android-based device can do the same thing that a pocketable phone can do except possibly make phone calls.

Yeah, but the phone would be the primary device. If they didn't market this as the primary device, just like a secondary thing. That's what they marketed it as. They kind of did, but nobody took it that way. They kept saying it's not a... What Panos was saying, it's not a phone, it's a Surface. He said that

a hundred times over. Lauren Good had an article called like, don't call it a phone. Yeah, but it, and they wanted it to be though. But it took a SIM card and it was a small

Android screen in your pocket. I don't know, man. Yeah, I think the fact that it fits in your pocket is just, people are just going to see it as a phone.

We skipped over the whole eBay thing though. Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, how did we find out about this potential mid-range version? It popped up on eBay. This has been happening a lot recently, it seems like. This sounds like what would happen to a Pixel phone. I think it did happen to a Pixel.

I think it has. There was a guy that bought a Pixel, what he thought was a Pixel 6 Pro on Craigslist, and it ended up being a 7 Pro. It's like, how does Sick. Sick. So this is Microsoft. So is it intentional? No, probably not. It popped up on eBay, then got deleted, then got put back

on eBay. And then I think that got deleted or something like that. I don't know. We were looking at the listing like yesterday and it was only like $800 and Andrew and I were like, should we just buy this? Because like this is like probably the price it would go for anyway. And it's like the only one on the planet. Yeah.

I don't know. That's pretty funny. Anyway. Well, we'll come back to Surface. I think I'm going to give it one more shot. I think, well, not me. I think the world's going to give it one more shot. Yeah. I think if we get a really, really impressive Surface in this form factor,

then we can accept that this was a good thing to try. But if we get another surface and it's also really bad and annoying to use, then it probably won't get another one. You know what I would love to see? You know how the Razer, when it folds, there's like the teardrop part of the folded screen kind of like goes into the hinge?

Yeah. If Microsoft could do that with this device, where when you open it up, it's straight up a tablet, and then the software could segment it into two screens, but it was one continuous display, I feel like that would be really cool. That would be really cool. Yeah.

And then you could fold it over itself too, maybe. I don't know. Depends on if they keep that hinge, that 360 hinge thing going on. Which was a cool, great hinge design. Yeah. And they made a big deal about it as every hinge company does. Of course. Microsoft is good at hinges, but yeah, anyway. Well, that was the one thing

I loved about the Surface. I'm afraid I have to admit that entire time I had that stupid song in my head about how the phone don't jiggle jiggle. It folds. It folds. Let's,

let's go to break. I think we should go to break. Let's do a trivia and then go to break and then we'll be right back. Okay. Trivia question. In honor of Ellis's question, we're bringing it back. Oh no. What does Sony's TV brand bravia stand for oh no i just learned

this is it an acronym it is an acronym it's a backronym a backronym it's a backronym which is a word i learned researching this so a backronym is an acronym you form in reverse where you have the word and then you come up with something that it stands for. Yes, that seems like what they're doing. Oh, yeah, of course. Why did they come up with the word in the first place, though? They just felt the need.

Well, I'll think about it. Oh, as we learned before, though, Bravia is the new branding of Trinitron. Yeah. I don't think that'll help'll figure it out, though. The CRT people are screaming in the comments. No, Bravia is.

If I understand correctly, when Sony fully was like, we're done with CRTs, we're only doing LCD panels now. Yeah. That was when Bravia came and Trinitron left. But there was a weird

gray area period where they're doing flat screen CRTs, and that was what Vega was. Flat screen CRTs? Yeah. Interesting. They were still pretty deep, but they weren't like a rounded bulb on the end. Interesting.

That's the one that it kind of looks like Vega, but with two Vs, and Sony's always like, no, it's Vega. Say Vega. So Sony's a history of weird names and pronunciations. They just predicted that we were going to be doing trivia in the future. They knew. They had to make it complex. Come on, guys. How'd you not know that? To not be an easy answer.

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All right, welcome back. Let's talk cars for a second. I got a little bit to rewind about. So this week I tweeted about Hyundai. And Andrew and I have had like little partial segments of this conversation before on Waveform where it's like we see a couple of Hyundais, new Hyundais on street now we're like they look good like they look real nice they're not afraid to play with the lights they have very distinctive like daytime running lights and i don't know there's something about them i'm very very impressed and hyundai has a reputation already in the u.s

but i feel like they're on this little glow up yeah right so i i've had this little back of the head like hyundai thing and then they came out with the the Ioniq 5 and a Subaru commercial and like we all keep seeing Ioniq 5s on the street now and this is now probably number one on my list of electric cars that I haven't driven yet that I see and want to try because they're out there people are driving them and they look pretty cool um so that's that's in the back of my head this whole time. Then we get this like concept, I think it's a concept. Yeah. Concept Hyundai car. It's a two-door car. Hyundai makes this snazzy like promo reel and a photo shoot with them. So I guess it's renders and like a reel

that they put together. But of the Envision 74, technically a hybrid EV. They'll say it'll combine hydrogen and pure battery. And it looks so sick. My take is it looks more like the DeLorean than the new DeLorean actually does. Absolutely what I was thinking too, yeah. Did you see these pictures? Yeah. So I tweeted like, yeah, whoever's doing design for Hyundai,

like keep it up. Even the interior. I will, I will say what's interesting is that I think a lot of manufacturers have been trying to figure out like, all right, we're electrifying our lineup now. Let's make it look futuristic.

But a lot of the, the car manufacturers, when they try to do that, it ends up just looking really tacky. Yeah. And somehow Hyundai has like taken, like even this car has like these this led pixel array for its headlights and just the daytime running lights again like that they're not afraid

to mess with that yeah and then their angles too like on the onyx 5 and onyx 6 it's like it's very like tetrahedronal but it actually looks good dude if i saw this car on the street, I would be like, what is that? That is sick. The electric hydrogen mix is really interesting because hydrogen cars are really cool in concept because they only release water. Right. Water vapor.

And then obviously electric cars can store and charge more energy in our, or store more energy in our more efficient overall but i mean that's what do they mean by hybrid do they say what that means so if i the more i read into this it's it's clear it's very concept like they just say it's going to be a hybrid and have these two methods but don't really explain too much of how that would work also the way i understand it so let's i'm just going to read the MotorOne.com article. Technically, it's a hybrid EV, combines a hydrogen fuel cell with a battery to power a pair of electric motors. So the electric motors take power from both, one per wheel. Oh,

sorry, one at each rear wheel. So it's just rear wheel drive. Oh my God. The result is a combined output of 671 horsepower. But with the individual motors at the back, Hyundai will explore various aspects of torque vectoring and an electric rear wheel drive application. Hyundai also says a combination of hydrogen fuel cell with batteries allows for the cooler temperatures. So I guess. Oh yeah, that's an interesting idea actually. It makes sense. Can you use the water vapor that is the um that is the result of a hydrogen to cool the battery i don't know and i don't know if it'll be cool exhaust

either right so i'm not exactly sure to me it just feels like there's gonna be two plugs probably it's hot yeah yeah but there's gonna be two plugs on the car now you have to plug into and to give it hydrogen and plug in to give it i wonder if it will be like a current hybrid electric where you can use all gas and you could technically use all battery if you wanted to but it's only got like 50 miles of range but you could you don't have to use both yeah so in the in the current plug-in plug-in electric plug-in hybrid world you can have a gas tank and an electric motor. And the electric motors, you can charge by a plug-in or you can just use the regeneration

from what the gas engine system is doing. Maybe that's also an option with hydrogen electric. You only really add hydrogen and the electric battery, however big it is, gets recharged as you drive. And you can plug in if you want. Maybe that's how it is. Either way, it's a concept car a concept car it looks like an 80s it's all about the look like back to the future i immediately thought of back to the future when i saw this car and like i i love this i want

it i want it to exist hyundai if you're listening this is uh this is prime please bring top top end work right here yeah all of the pictures also i love that they decided to do that because i'm pretty sure these are renders yeah and i love that they decided to do renders in the rain of it like driving around real wheel drive like kicking the tires out on a track in the rain in the storm like that is even the wheels sick even the wheels have like this okay the wheels i'll talk about the wheel for a second every new ev has to think about aero right and most of them have some sort of a version of aerodynamic wheels aero caps aero hubs whatever something about the wheel they just need to not have a normal

like five spoke wheel because that's very draggy um and most of them look pretty ugly yeah you've seen the model 3 and model s is i think it's ugly i took mine off i don't like them but this it's just a disc and i assume if you push this around this is a 670 horsepower car on a track you need ventilation for the brakes i don't see this staying on in an actual track scenario, but purely visually, I love it. Is that ventilation though? So that's ventilation, but is that enough ventilation for a track day

with maybe like steel brakes, carbon ceramic brakes maybe? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know enough about like the logistics of making a car like this, but all I know is that's the best looking aero cap I've ever seen it looks amazing it's just a plate yeah frisbee i just like yeah a lot of these car manufacturers try to like make their electric stack look futuristic and it ends up

just looking tacky but somehow hyundai manages to make it hyundai hyundai like sunday hyundai like sunday yeah okay good to know yeah and And then the wheel is actually like a racing wheel. It's like that Logitech racing wheel we have in the studio here. Yeah. Yeah. I want this to exist. This looks really cool. I hope they actually make this.

I don't know if there's any sort of price talk, but if I saw this on the street, I would immediately be like, I love the 80s and I would straight up, like, I would trade in anything. Yeah. This is a better done retro future car than the new delorean i'm just gonna say it yeah which probably not even ship so yeah well this is a concept car too so that's another question yeah um yeah shout out to the design i also there is a second one that is a slightly different look let me find the name because this is also in the Motor One article. It is called the RN22E based on the Ioniq 6, but it's a little more of like a sports car,

normal EV two-door type thing. It still looks sick. It's got the big grill on the front. It's got the slot headlights. It definitely has Porsche vibes. Yeah, Porsche, which I like. I like Porsche. I think I like the Ioniq 6 better than I like this car. Better than this R22? Yeah. Is that a hot take? Well, the Ioniq 6 is going to be real and this is a concept.

So I'm happy with both. I actually like this one better. I need to see the back of this car. Of this R22E? Yeah. Here you go. Oh. This is the back. It looks like a rn22e yeah here you go oh this is the back oh that's it looks like a it looks kind of like an amg with the wing i think i still like the ionic 6 better yeah ionic 6 is nice i'll take it talk about a glow up i am very impressed i saw um somebody we'll have to find it maybe we can put it in the show notes but i saw someone post like a

history of hyundai hyundai yeah hyundai likes yeah Hyundai like Sunday Hyundai and it was like the generations like every 10 years their design and they actually do do that kind of like textile design way back until like the 70s or 60s or something and then before that they're pretty ugly yeah yeah like they look like cheap cars for a while. And then eventually they start looking pretty good. And I've never even given them like a really a second thought until their EV lineup started to come out. I think that's key.

So a lot of these companies underrated, they have an opportunity to basically completely rebrand where they sit in the market with the first EVs that they make. And so Hyundai is such a good example because we have, at least in the U.S., we have a reputation that we assign to Hyundai, which is these are $20,000 to $35,000 mid-range budget affordable economy cars. And that's kind of all we think about them. The second the Ioniq 5 started showing up, I was like, okay, that's different. That is a sort of futuristic, practical, cool EV. And now everything they've come out with since then,

I kind of look at in this new light. So everything electric that they do can fall under that new umbrella, even though it's still Hyundai. And that's a huge opportunity. I don't know if the legacy car manufacturers with huge reputations and markets like the u.s think about it the same way like ford they're just going to name it a mustang

whatever mustang machi fine f-150 lightning right but if you were looking for the opportunity to rebrand like hyundai might have been and like maybe what's another good example somebody who probably wants smaller ones alfa romeo is not big here kia kia is having a sort of a renaissance having a little bit of a renaissance that's for sure um i think i think that's kind of underrated about like this new generation of things that we're seeing that's a good that's a good point especially in the u.s like i'm sure they have stronger poles in their like native countries that they're but i mean like even i guess toyota doesn't really need to do that they haven't really done it I'm kind of disappointed in Toyota so far

because they only have like the BZ4X which has gotten really bad reviews so far yeah I don't know I mean I'll be glad if there's a lot more good options on the market because for a while it was like yeah I would like to see Honda do this too

has Honda done anything? electric? I haven't seen, I would like to see Honda do this too. Has Honda done anything? Electric? I haven't seen much. I was just behind a Honda. That's a little depressing. I was behind a Honda Ridgeline pickup truck today on the way to the studio. And I was like,

I haven't seen one of those in a while. Those look so weird. Yeah, I am. Yeah, I think also Toyota has a bunch of like stuff on the horizon. We've talked about like that, that mystery lineup where they showed a bunch of like, oh yeah, this is a Supra, but electric, but also like stuff on the horizon. We've talked about like that mystery lineup where they showed a bunch of like,

oh yeah, this is a Supra, but electric, but also 10 years in the future. It feels like they're giving up their lead though, because like the default, like affordable, pretty good car was like the Camry and then the Honda Accord. And I feel like neither of those companies, they're kind of letting these other companies

eat their market share. They're definitely sitting on those and they'll still sell for a while. Yeah. But at some point, because there's also a huge price factor. Totally. When Hyundai goes from like their economy roots to like the Ioniq 4, Ioniq 5, Ioniq 6, like those are 45 plus, like they're a different price bracket. So you change your reputation, you get to change your price.

I think it's really, really hard to make a good EV at that price right now. So supply chain issues, battery tech, like that stuff may change over time and maybe someday we'll get a good $20,000 EV. But since it doesn't exist yet, I guess it's mandatory to change your reputation if you want to sell it at a different price. A 20K is really good, but like an EV at 20k is not going to be the...

Like a 20k EV today... Does that exist? Would probably not be good. With the current tech, it would be like a half the battery size. It would just not be good. Yeah. One thing I will say about Toyota

is that they've been saying for a while now that they're putting all of their eggs in this solid state battery. It's like a new battery that they want to replace lithium ion batteries. And they're saying they're going to start rolling out vehicles with that in it. They say mid-decade. Sure.

So hopefully they're... Yeah, they're going to start punching big with the ideas, but we'll have to see. Oh, man. That's one of those things that could either turn out to be like a face palm statement or like a told you so yeah it could be a great like tesla's lead right now in evs is so dramatic because they've just been cranking their gigafactories like they're all in yeah on lithium-ion battery production and just doing what they're doing so toyota coming in 10-12 years later being like actually we've been working on this thing either it's better

or it's who knows isn't the new Tesla battery solid state though or am I crazy no they've just been working on the 4680 cells they're still lithium ion but they're more compact and they're closer together and there's less gaps

between cells and there's a whole bunch of things that are better at them but energy density and overall tech is better in the 4680 cells but I don't think they are a new

entirely new technology but that's you know Tesla's they're a battery company basically like a tech

and battery company so they're getting better at that but yeah anyway thanks shout out to Inspiration for Hyundai that I still need to try an ionic five and i think six we're gonna get there um speaking of cars yeah oh there's another car thing on do we want

to talk about this this is bmw we should we should briefly get into this briefly okay yeah well what's the i'm just gonna read the headline then yeah okay IGN.com. Some BMW car features can only be unlocked with microtransactions. Sub-headline, heated seat DLC. Now, when I first read this, I don't think this is the first time I've heard this. Like, heated seats as a subscription. I actually just ran out on my car of the free trial of the connectivity package. It's $10 a subscription. I actually just ran out on my car of the free trial of the connectivity package. It's $10 a month.

And so when I renewed it, I paid the $10 to get another month and I was just reading what I got. And navigation is one of the things you don't get if you don't pay for it. What does that mean? I don't pay for it and I get navigation. You don't?

I don't pay for it. It was in i mean this is what the app this is what the app told me hold on let me pull up the app and see what i'm getting but i am paying a subscription for some of the features of my car is the point yeah and that's not a new idea but it is kind of annoying that some of the most like basic hardware features are still going to end up being yeah because my maps still work actually tesla has lied to me twice because i am that old guy who hasn't updated my software since like a year ago because i don't want i don't like the new ui so yeah oh right and so you didn't upgrade every single time i parked my car i have to hit cancel on the update so how what's happening now nothing they told they told

me that in march my uh my navigation would stop working. Never stopped working. I kept getting all these notifications being like, if you don't update it by this specific day, your car is going to start having problems. Never had any problems. I don't know. I feel like it's all fake.

But like, yeah, they said like your maps will stop working. They said there was some update to like, because I think they use AT&T for their map data or something. And they said there was some change where an old thing was going to be turned off and the update was important because of that. But like nothing is different. I can still route. I can still do everything.

The only thing I cannot do is like stream through the Spotify app on the car's dashboard. But I would rather just use my phone's Bluetooth anyway, most of the time. I do that too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I just, but think about it though. When the hardware is there to do something and it's specifically, it costs extra to put it in the car and it's not enabled on your car, but it is enabled on somebody else's car. That feels weird.

Yeah. Like the heat, the seat heater thing or a heated steering wheel for example just doesn't like the fact that it's there and you can't use it unless you pay seems crazy i think from a scale perspective when you're trying to make a ton of cars it actually makes sense for you to just make a ton of cars and then eventually sell them versus making them to order right where you have to like put specific features in and the skew is different than it's very specific you can just make a ton of cars and then have everything off by default and then you can turn it on if you pay i don't like the fact that you pay monthly i feel like putting the hardware in and then saying like you can pay 200 if you want it enabled sure whatever but turning everything into a subscription service

is like a slippery slope. Yeah, it's like, I feel like it's now already a question of how far can we push this? Like how much can we turn into recurring revenue? I know, I'm just going to go to the extreme. Imagine your car has like 18-way power moving memory seats or whatever. And you can't use any of that unless you pay per month. It's like,

why, what? That seems crazy. And they're going to find where that line is, what people are willing to pay for and not willing to pay for. And they're going to get right up there. They'll cross the line. Somebody's going to cross the line.

Someone was making a joke of like, oh no, I forgot to renew my brake subscription. Yeah. See, that's, and that's obviously over the line, but like where the gray area in there somewhere. Yeah, see? And that's obviously over the line.

But like, where? The gray area in there somewhere. It's interesting because like the just-on-time manufacturing that Toyota actually like pioneered way back in the day that Tesla uses makes sense. Like make the car to spec and only make it when they order it so that everything is efficient. But at the same time, there's the other angle of if you have so much demand,

you might as well make every car exactly the same so you can move the production way faster. And tailor it with software after the fact. And there's probably a line where adding the hardware in but being able to make more cars makes it cheaper for them than not adding the hardware in in certain cars right yeah that's fair that is very fair yeah but the mental games are definitely going to be interesting i found the list of what tesla enables with what i pay 10 bucks a month for

okay so navigation is included all the rest of this stuff is not unless you pay live traffic visualization satellite maps sentry mode video stream my sentry mode still works oh yeah but i didn't i walked maybe because i don't have like a free trial still going or something no my trial ended in march maybe it's because i maybe it's because i didn't update the car yeah it doesn't know the free trial is over it's just like i'm i'm just gonna keep doing my thing until I'm connected to the internet. I'm down. Internet browser, does your browser still work? I've not tried that. Haven't tried it?

Probably not. Music streaming is the other thing. Why would you use a browser on your car? I never do it. I literally just use my phone for everything and connect to Bluetooth and it's way better. Yeah. But interesting. What was the other thing?

Is that it? Karaoke. Karaoke. And video streaming. So then use the Netflix and Hulu apps and stuff yeah i charge in my garage i guess if i was like charging for half an hour if you're super charging but i could also just watch on my phone or my laptop that's what i don't know i don't know i feel like ten dollars a month is kind of steep for what they're offering but we'll see we'll see what people pay for bmw we will find out where that line is.

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RCS and SMS. We made that. Okay. We made a whole video on this. Yeah. Okay. We'll see. Okay.

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All right, welcome back. We got another gadget. Last thing we want to talk about, Pixel 6a. Yep. The review is out. The phone is out there and you can choose to get one. And I have a hot take about it, but I'm going to wait till the end to give you that. Okay. So let's just go over the phone is out there and you can choose to get one and i have a hot take about it but i'm gonna wait till the end to give you that spicy okay so let's just go over the phone itself um we already knew about pixel 6 pro we already knew about pixel 6 pixel 6a is the budget version in google's lineup

it's 449 this year 449 us dollars and for that price you get the same tensor chip and then cheaper things around it yep those cheaper things being a flat 1080p 60 hertz display um i think it's only one spec 128 gigs of storage and six gigs of ram correct yeah um the a series now it's about a 4400 million power battery which is pretty good and dual cameras and they are not the same as the new Pixel 6 and 6 Pro cameras. It's an old 12 megapixel camera and an ultra wide. They took away the headphone jack. The Pixel 5a had a headphone jack.

The 6a does not have a headphone jack. And they do not have wireless charging. So those are two things to note. Some people might not care about those things. I can already see the comments because at this point, as we record this, I haven't finished the review yet, but I can already tell that when this comes out, there will be comments in the review video saying, I don't really care. Why do you guys care so much about wireless charging? It's not a big deal if you don't have it. Totally fair. But if you do have wireless charging now, then you're going to not like using wireless charging. Definitely. So there's that. Um, and that's pretty pretty much it it has the slower in-screen

fingerprint reader that the 6 pro also has which kind of annoyed me uh did you like the design it kind of looks like the other pixels i like the design i i like that it's more compact um 6.1 inches is still pretty big i loved pixel 5 i love pixel 4a. I think 449, they put the Pixel 5a at 449 as well, and Pixel 4a was 349, which is just so good, and Pixel 4a was such an amazing phone with an amazing screen,

and so when you move it up $100, there's a lot that you can get in the competition. Right. Yeah. Yeah. The cameras.

Yeah. I, so they added new cameras in the Pixel 6, Pixel 6 Pro. They didn't really do anything with those new cameras. Yeah. That was the worst part about it is like they added this huge 50 megapixel sensor that they were binning on. And we were hoping like, oh, they've been using the same sensor for like four or five years now.

They've literally used it for like five years. Pixel 3, Pixel 4, Pixel 4. Pixel 2, Pixel 5, yeah. Yeah, 2 through 5 was the exact same sensor. So they were getting a new sensor where like it's going to be way better, had a little bit more depth of field, but the processing, exactly the same.

So that said if they're not going to make it better besides the processing or besides like a little bit more depth of field and maybe a little bit better low light performance than whatever yeah it's still one of the best cameras you can get at that price point that's where i landed so i on one hand i've seen a lot of this particular son Sony sensor and a lot of new phones we've tested. The nothing phone has the same camera sensor as the ROG phone six, which has the same camera sensor as the Nord two T, which is the same camera sensor as like another phone we just tested. Um, and it's, it's like a B B plus sometimes camera. Yeah. It doesn't really

freeze motion very well. It's kind of noisy at night, but it's fine. And so when I hear on paper that the Pixel 6a has a worse camera, an older, lower spec camera than the other 6 and 6 Pro, I think the natural instinct is, oh, darn, it's not going to be as good.

But it turns out it's the same sensor that they've been using for many, many years. And they've got that pipeline down pat and the tensor chip is super fast. It is one of the best cameras in any budget phone. I went around, took photos with it, took videos with it. And I was very happy with it much more than a lot of flagships these days. The R this phone is it's a Pixel, and lately we don't know how well these phones age.

They've had some really odd performance issues and bugs and things have come up with Pixels. And as of right now, 60 hertz is one of those things where you either don't care at all or it is a bit of a turnoff in buying a phone because you can get 120 hertz in a budget phone pretty easily today even though phone has the nothing phone 120 the a53 the some poco phones like a lot of phones in three to four to five500 have 120 Hertz displays. Yeah.

And I can also already read the comments of people going, I can't even tell the difference. Like who cares? But this is, okay. You know how the iPhone SE and the iPhones are like some of the smoothest 60 Hertz phones? This is one of the jankiest 60 Hertz phones. It is constantly, I feel like I shouldn't, it's 60 hertz. I shouldn't see dropped frames and choppy animations. And I already do on day one.

And we know how pixels age. That's not a good start for me. So like the Tensor chip is powerful enough that it launches apps quickly. Like when I hit the camera button, it opens the camera quickly. When I open a new app and like swipe over the things load quickly but when I'm scrolling in the web browser and when I'm like moving scrolling

the notification shade and moving between apps and the fact that I can like feel that it's definitely not high refresh rate it doesn't bother me so much now as much as I know it's going to not be as good in the future I mean that's like memory versus processing, right? And that was

the weird thing about the Pixel 6 series was that I was reviewing the 6, you were reviewing the Pro, and neither of us had almost any issues in the first two weeks. And then over time, it just got glitchier and jankier and glitchier and jankier. And so, yeah, it's

kind of sad. I feel like the mid-ranged Pixels, surprisingly, with the mid-range Qualcomm chips, have been the most stable. So the Pixel 5, really stable. Pixel 4a, really stable. But every time they make a high-end Pixel, it ends up being janky.

Now, the problem with this is this is technically quote-unquote mid-range, but it's got a Tensor chip. So it's using the same processor. That could be a bad thing because it is smaller with a smaller battery and the battery life we got kind of middle of the road, not amazing battery life. I don't know. I mean, maybe

60 hertz will help it. It's been okay for me. It's another thing where like i do have a wireless charger in my car and i'm at my desk and like not being with some phones it's fine if you don't have great battery life you can just like casually leave on the wireless charger um but yeah no that that it was fine yeah i mean if you want to get the true material you experience this is like the cheapest way to do it technically but i think for like prime day the pixel 6 was like 100 bucks off which only makes that 50 dollars more than

this phone um yeah so if you want 90 hertz wireless charging everything the pixel 6 does there's that i do like this phone feels very dense which is kind of a nice feeling it definitely it feels denser than like the nothing phone yeah that was kind of funny we're like holding them side by side and like the premium feel i'm doing air quotes the like premium feeling phone was was actually the pixel 6a because you're holding metal and glass but also it's like a little bit more compact and heavier and you're like oh this density feels good yeah um but you ready for my hot take? I'm ready. If you give the nothing phone the Pixel 6a's camera, it is the best budget phone in the world.

Yeah. I think that's a hot take. I think that the only pushback you're going to get on that is the people that want a budget phone that can play games with a high frame rate. Exactly. That's why I think it's a hot take. Because there's like the other phones that have flagship processors

that are around the same price. Definitely. So in like the in the normal everyday day-to-day use I think that would hold up pretty strong. Yeah.

And I think as soon as you get to like comparing it with the ones that did put a Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 in there or even the iPhone SE the ones that have powerful chips

that can play games for a while. Yeah. Then you'll see the difference. But yeah, the nothing phone is actually smoother than my Pixel 6 Pro. Whatever they did with the optimization, and I guess it's probably a lot of the same team that worked for OnePlus, very smooth, very different from the Pixel. Material U is just kind of glitchy. I think that's the problem. Like we even talked about how the nothing phone is almost very like

stock-h and pixel like it feels like an older pixel that didn't have material you and was very just like this is android it has a lot of material you stuff yeah i mean they've got like the the notification shade is the color of your wallpaper and all that stuff it's just they don't have the weird widgets and that kind of right stuff they have their own dot yeah Dot matrix stuff. With like one or two apps that feels not finished. I don't know. We have an NFT widget. Oh, God.

And flashing lights on the back. And a fake Tesla widget that doesn't do anything. It doesn't work. I don't know. Yeah. So $449. I guess if you want the best mid-range camera, there's that. And then if you want a Pixel, which, I mean,

people were complaining that apparently the Nothing Phone, because it's using the Snapdragon 778G+, that chipset is only going to be supported by Qualcomm through Android 14. Right. Which means the Pixel, and the Pixels always get at least three full years of software updates. So this, I'm assuming launched with Android 11. So it'll get 12, 13, and

14. Guaranteed. Guaranteed. And then the Nothing Phone will probably only get, sorry, I meant I think the Nothing Phone's only going to get Android, wait, we're not on 11. Jesus. This is hard. Okay, we're on Android 12. Yeah, Nothing Phone is Android 12. 13 is in beta right now.

Nothing Phone, I think, and I need to double check this, Qualcomm is only officially supporting that chip through Android 13. Whereas the Pixel will go through Android 14 and probably 15. 12, 13, and 14 at least. We're already on 12,

so it'll go through 15. So that's going to be a notable difference in like two to three years when the nothing phone maybe stops getting updates. Yeah, it'll get security updates because Carl said

three years of security, but if you want full Android, it's got it. Yeah. However, the nothing phone's bootloader can be insanely easily unlocked. You can flash Lineage OS

or something on there if you want. It's going to be up to the people. Like this is, it's also around up to the people like this is a it's also around the same price around the same price yeah so yeah i think if you value so here's who i'd recommend gets a pixel 6a you are coming from an older or another budget phone that's also 60 hertz so you're not going to mind 60 hertz again. And you want Google smarts and features. Yeah.

And or a really good camera. The voice, the instant tensors, like instant voice recognition. Voice to text is amazing. It's amazing. Like the recorder app, speech to text and texting people. Everything about that is amazing. Better than iPhone SE would be at that price. And the camera, you get an ultra wide that the iPhone SE doesn't have.

And you're just going to miss out on really, really high-end, top-end performance. Because, obviously, this chip, Tensor, doesn't really have the ultra-high-end performance. And we'll see how it ages, Shrug.

We'll see. Yeah. I mean, it's a higher-performing chip than the 778G+. It is. I don't know. But if you can't feel it, is it? If you can't

feel it? That's a good point, yeah. With the, yeah, true. If it's 60 hertz, it's like, if you're rendering a game at 80 FPS, but you're on a 60 hertz screen, then why does it matter? Exactly. If you have the phone with a 120 hertz screen, but it can only get up to 90, it's still going to feel better than the phone that's locked at 60. Right.

So, that's Pixel 6a. The review should also be up by the time this podcast goes live, so check that video out if you haven't seen it already. But I think that is about it for this week. Have some gadgets, have some cars. That's about right. I think it's only right that we end with some trivia. All right.

And that is it. Let's do it. Trivia answers. So, the first question. Oh, this one. right. And that is it. Let's do it. Trivia answers. So the first question. Oh, this one. I forgot to think about it. Yeah, I don't. I don't think I knew this one.

It's Bravia. Oh, it's Bravia, right? Yeah. What does Sony's TV brand Bravia stand for? Okay, you want to go first? Okay, so I definitely recently learned this because I was on a Sony briefing and they said what it meant.

And I could not believe that that's what it meant. I think that was the same thing for me. Also, real quick, can you both close your laptops to ensure no cheating? Sure. But I'm writing it down. Too late. Thank you. I'm not cheating. It's definitely like, let's see, BR,

it's definitely like entertainment services. There's no E in Bravia. Bravia? Video? There's no E in Bravia. Bravia? Video? There's no I in we. Video. It's some like... From what I remember, it's not a cohesive sentence.

It's just a bunch of words. I think it's a phrase with an and in the middle. I think the A stands for and. Can I submit that? Is that your final answer? It's the 50th of a point. That the A stands for and? That the A stands for and. That the A stands for and.

The speed at which you went to the button makes me assume that I'm wrong. So I'm going to not lock that in yet. All right. B-R. Okay. So I think it's like brilliant. Brilliant. A.

Oh. Already got that. Beautiful. Wow. B. Wow. Is it so is each letter in Bravia a new word or did they combine some of them? They combine some. No, it's a new word. Everyone is a new word. B-R-A-V-I-A. That's a lot. Yep. Is V video? are you kidding me um is i is o oled wait there's no o there's no o and bravia b-r-a-v-i-a he wrote down brovia brovia you wrote brovia and now b so video rendering audio video is a real audio a okay a is audio v is video what is the b b boled brilliant bright it's not bright bright bright br our audio video no one's getting any point no one's gonna get this yeah this is you might as well just tell us all right is that the instant for and best resolution audio video integrated

architecture bravia best resolution best resolution best resolution Best resolution? That's so real. This trivia question brought to you by Ellis. Oh, that's it. Man. Wow. They're just saying all the time that they are the best. That is a really bad backronym. I would argue it's the best backronym. They had no reason to go, guys, you know what Bravia should stand for?

Best resolution. Audio video. Why did they make the word Bravia? They just thought it sounded cool. Yeah, it was just a cool word. They were like, we have the best resolution audio video integrated architecture. What can we name it? And they were like, what if we just take all the letters?

Best resolution audio doesn't mean as much to me as video. Because is there like an audio component of Bravia TV? Bravia is the only TV... That's a great question. I feel like it's just like the TV. I would assume so based on a name because it's audio video integrated. Integrated. Maybe. Yeah. Well, that's zero points for both of us on that one. I mean, we could have guessed

it'd be something weird because it's Sony. Well, that was something weird. For sure. What is the model name of the third Bravia TV? No chance. Do you want to say at the same time? What is the model name of the third No Champs in 1976? Do you want to say at the same time? Can we talk about RCS from time to time, but what does SMS

stand for? Can you guys count down? Wait, wait, wait. Is it on Go or is it after Go? Rock, paper, scissors says Go. It's always on Go. It's on Go? 3, 2, 1, Go? 3, 2, 1, Go. 3 go okay three two one short messaging service you why did you say that i was waiting for after go short messaging service he said it was on go well you can't say it as he's saying go so i waited

right after go but also rcs rich messaging communication service oh sorry rich communication service wait were you gonna say short or were you gonna say simple I was gonna say short but also

RCS SMS is there other stuff there's MMS oh multimedia messaging service is there other

stuff that's kind of it and then there's iMessage so the final score Marquez has three

Andrew has two from last time oh yeah and David now has two because we gave you a point from last time oh yeah and David now has two because we gave you a point from last time

when you helped out Andrew oh nice yeah remember last time when Andrew didn't even give me a chance and he got it wrong last week

oh because we're doing this thing now where whoever has less points starts they answer first right

so if so next time we're on, whoever has less points gets to answer first and if then they don't get it, then the person after who's winning can steal. We're working on a better way to do this. Yeah, it's a whole formatted thing. We'll get there.

And Andrew told us to say about the Hyundai car, I forgot to say this, he told us that in his absence he wanted to say that car sucks. Nice. He told us that in his absence he wanted to say that car f***s. Nice. We'll put that. Thanks. You can just use the f*** thing

or whatever it is. And that'll be it. That'll be it. Hey, thanks for tuning in. Thanks for talking about hanging out and talking about gadgets with us. And we'll see you guys in a week. Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Robin.

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