Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Pixel Peeping all the new Pixels!

Episode Date: August 16, 2024

We have new Pixels! This week, Marques, Andrew, and David talk about the most recently Google event where the newest Pixel 9 phones were announced along with a new pair of Pixel Buds and a Pixel Watch. They start talking about the event as a whole before getting into the specifics about each of the phones. They also discuss all of the newest AI features that the Pixel phones will have before wrapping it all up with trivia. Enjoy! Links:  MKBHD Pixel 9 Impressions: https://bit.ly/4cv1cDV Verge Pixel Video: https://bit.ly/3X2scGi Julian's Add Me Picture: https://bit.ly/3ArlmBm Sebastian Thread Post: https://bit.ly/3X5m53V 9to5Google Pixel Buds Pro: https://bit.ly/4fKNJdW Music provided by Epidemic Sound  Shop products mentioned: Pixel 9: https://geni.us/cTw73v Pixel 9 Pro: https://geni.us/HrFniYD Pixel 9 Pro XL: https://geni.us/B26BN Pixel Watch 3: https://geni.us/ZrIM Pixel Buds Pro 2: https://geni.us/oy6lcZ Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Socials: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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and we were introducing it a different way every time. We should bring that back. Yeah. Every time. We don't have the creative juices to figure that out every week. Remember when I did the one where I materialized from the holodeck? Oh, yeah. You spent like half a day

It doesn't take that long. It took me like three hours. It was still too much time. All right. Okay. We got Pixel. We got Pixel. We've got Pixel and we've got AI.

Google says Pixel cameras don't take photos. They create memories. What is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. If you are listening, thanks for listening.

But if you're watching on YouTube, thanks for watching too. We also have Adam over here. And there's a seat next to you this time. There is. It is currently empty. It's been empty. For two weeks while Ellis was on vacation. I think we should change that. Whoa.

He's back. The magic of editing. I'm back. Ellis is back. This is a perfect time to say if you're listening to audio only, you have no idea what just happened. Ellis is back. That's what happened. That's exactly what happened.

Okay. Glad to have you back. Anyway, we got a lot to talk about this week because this is Google week. We had Google's event where we got Pixel. also got pixel we got pixel as well as pixel pixel and AI so we're gonna talk about all that stuff and also uh pixel cool can I tell you one of the first things Ellis said when he came in this morning sure he said was there a Google event this week? Oh, to live amongst the normies. Were you fully offline?

Fully offline. So you've missed the Google event? You think this sunburn is possible when you're on your phone? No way, Jose. Sometimes you scroll Twitter on the watch. Also, Andrew, just to be fair, I said one thing before that. I said, I'm about to say something really stupid right now. And then I said, was there a Google event yesterday? So, this

episode is your Google event? Yeah, so I will be silent. I'll be Sundar Pichai in this scenario. Well, no, it's perfect. You can ask the questions of someone who hasn't seen the event. Right, right, right. And then we'll have the answers. It'll be great. It's perfect synergy. Okay, so Google announced a whole bunch of devices and AI stuff.

It's their classic fall event. It's usually in october i feel like but they moved it up this year so we got pixel nine we got pixel nine pro we got pixel nine pro xl we got pixel nine pro fold we got pixel buds pro two we got pixel watch three and we got gemini updates did i miss anything i think that's everything that's everything i think that was everything yeah i did i definitely did i blacked out halfway through a lot of pixel stuff uh so all the new phones the new hardware and the new software um yeah where do we start i feel like the phones i had the same general feeling as I had with Pixel 6, which is dangerous. It is dangerous. It's dangerous.

Because the feeling I had was, oh, wow, these are really nicely built phones, like really nice hardware. Bright screens, flat edges, metal glass, nice finishes, nice colors, good-looking displays, good-looking. I think the camera bumps look kind of solid. I think they look like very Pixel. And in a way, they're still unique in a world of weird blobs on the back of phones. And, and then they've got all the software and I figured this is the complete package. They've finally done it, but I looked back and that's exactly what I said about pixel six. And that did not turn out as well as it could have. You know, what's crazy about pixel six. I remember

it coming out and feeling like oh this is like jewelry it looks really nice and in retrospect those phones the way they're put together i i do remember us being like it kind of feels like they just went to shenzhen and picked up a bunch of random parts out of a pile and threw them together which is true um but the build quality was not great these definitely feel like they have better build quality and i hope that that actually works out in the future now this all comes with a price update as well they're all almost all more expensive than last year so the base price of the 128 gig pixel 9 the entry is 799 and then you get to a 9999 Pixel 9 Pro, a $1099 Pixel 9

Pro XL, which is the bigger one. The bigger one being 6.8 inches, the two smaller ones being the same size of 6.3. And then the Pixel Pro Fold, Pixel 9 Pro Fold, that's just the next Pixel Fold. Yeah. The folding

one is $1799. Again, and it's also it's pretty significantly updated. the next Pixel Fold. Yeah. The folding one is $1799, again. And it's also, it's pretty significantly updated. Like, it's very different. So the first Pixel Fold, I kept saying it's the best one to use closed. Because it was this nice,

small, wide aspect ratio, super reachable for all four corners. I love that phone and I loved using it closed. And I opened it occasionally. This new one feels much closer to like the OnePlus Open, which was my favorite and I loved using it closed. I opened it occasionally. This new one feels much closer to the OnePlus Open, which was my favorite and I think the best series of choices for shapes for a folding phone.

It's a normal-sized, normal-looking 6.3-inch phone on the outside, and then a big square 8-inch screen on the inside. So new cameras, new square sides new updates tensor 4 across the board 12 gigs of ram for the base pixel 16 gigs of ram for the big for the pros so a lot of good interesting stuff here as far as hardware but it's a pixel so you already know it's mostly a software story and i had one thought watching the Pixel event. I don't know if this struck you guys also as I was watching. Are you saying like just inside the Pixel section of the Pixel event or like this whole event?

This whole event. Okay. Where you compare this to like a Samsung launch of a new phone or an Apple launch of a new phone. This event felt like it was not aimed at the people who buy the phones. It was aimed at the people who are following the AI wars and shareholders way more because they jumped right into like Google's a leader in AI. We've always been doing AI. We're taking advantage of our neural networks and we're capitalizing on what we've already built. And it's like all this story is great for those people. But if I'm just here to see if i want to buy the new phone or not it was really not focused on that at all then they got to it eventually like half an hour later and

they were like by the way here's what we're doing with all of the ai we've built we're packaging it into these new devices that complete our hardware stack and And I'm like, okay, but do you care about the phones? And they told us about the phones. So we got the new phones. It was weird to see that they didn't really even get to the phones until about half an hour through the event. Yeah, it was over half an hour, I think. Yeah, which is the Made by Google Pixel event.

And it was just mostly Gemini stuff in the beginning. They had some Gemini stuff in the middle. And then they talked about Gemini again at the end. They really sandwiched all the Gemini stuff in the beginning, they had some Gemini stuff in the middle, and then they talked about Gemini again at the end. They really sandwiched all the Gemini in there. It's a stark comparison to the storytelling that I always see in others, even like a OnePlus event, or obviously an Apple event or a Samsung event, where they're like, this is the new hardware, and now here's how this new phone is going to be awesome for you.

Look how great the camera is, it's enabled awesome for you. Look how great the camera is. It's enabled by this tech. Look how great the screen is. It's enabled by this tech. The battery life is amazing. That's because we put the work in on this. And when I watched the Google event, it was like upside down.

It was like, we put in so much work on this tech and we're so far ahead on this tech and we put in the work on this tech and it's all gonna come together in a phone on this tech and it's all going to come together in a phone yeah and it didn't really describe what that tech does for you exactly you know they were like this pixel has 45 tops of compute yeah they talked about teraflops before they talked about well types and how many like operations per second the tokens per second per second they talked about all that before they talked about

like how good the phone is at anything. You know how normally during a phone launch, there's like the phone and then they talk about the accessories that kind of like build into the ecosystem and prop up the phone. This felt like they were launching an OS. It was like Gemini OS

and here's the devices that use Gemini, like the phone, headphones and all these other things that like plug into it. Yeah. It felt more like IO than it did the Pixel Venture. Usually this is the stuff we see at like IO and all that stuff. And then they have launched like random one-off hardware

here and there at IO. This was like, yeah, normally we're used to seeing here's the phones. And as we get into specs of the phones, let's show what the AI is capable of, which they still sort of did. But if you take half an hour of just Gemini and software stuff beforehand,

it feels a little different. The problem with it is, this is not the last time we're going to see this. In fact, I bet almost all events going forward are going to be so much more like this. It just made them way more boring. Oh yeah. I wonder about that.

I think this is a reflection of where the pixels are in google's priority list i still think when you watch a new iphone event or a new one plus phone or new samsung phone they're still going to have the same style of this is this amazing new thing that we built and then here are all the technologies that enable how good it's going to be for you. It just felt like Google doesn't have that same showcase priority. I think with new Siri coming this year, this would be the best time, if ever, for Apple to just go straight into AI-focused stuff right off the bat and get into phones later in there and still have a focus on it.

They do really well, but I would not be surprised surprised if new series what we see right off the bat i mean google's focus on android has sort of taken a back burner to gemini right like i noticed when we were at the event and we were at the hands-on event and we were doing the footage and stuff when they booted up one of the phones it shows the google logo and then at the end of the google logo it like spins and turns into the gemini logo on the boot screen yeah of the phone. So they're really like, they have restructured their entire company to be based around this one generative AI platform, which is really risky. It's bold.

Yeah, we talked a lot in the past about how like Google has a lot to lose. Microsoft does not have a lot to lose microsoft didn't gain anything really because still nobody uses bing even though they you know leaned extremely hard into that you couldn't pay me they couldn't pay me to use bing and and but google you know has done the research to say like will we lose anything if we depreciate the value of our products and the answer was no and that's why they got sued by the government and so it's just it's it's insane that like i feel like at previous events it was like hardware look at all the cool stuff that we can do with machine learning and that we can do on android and look at all the new things that about android and this the parallel to

this is the io event where they you know generally talk about the new version of Android and all the new features in it. This IO was just Gemini, Gemini, just Gemini the whole time. Yeah. And so they're kind of merging that into the pixel event where it's like the like Adam was saying, like Gemini is basically pixel OS is Gemini. Yeah. Gemini is the OS of everything that Google does. So they focused on Gemini, on what Gemini's new features are and what it's capable of and how they were able to do that. And then, by the way, here are the devices that have it now.

Yeah. These new things. I still don't even think they leaned into things that Gemini can actually do that are useful. Yeah, they had a couple things. A few things. We can go over them. Yeah.

Depending on if they're useful or not, I guess. Before we leave this section, I do want to say that little hint for what trivia is coming later but in researching that question i went back to the trivia or i went back to the made by google event from 2017 oh and they started that event talking about ai back in 2017 yeah did they use the same graphic of like the squares with the wires going into one square which comes out of the wires? They did not. That person was hired after this.

That person, like David said, better be getting royalties. And he is a billionaire by now. Residuals, yeah. Yeah, they probably redid it with Gemini and now aren't paying anybody. It sounds like we really want to get into software stuff. But you mentioned a lot about the phones. Do you want to just wrap up quick last thoughts about the phones or is that we didn't yeah yeah uh okay i can go i guess we'll do the phones first then okay i assumed you started phones already i could jump into the phones i mean so there's a couple i have a couple like

high level thoughts and then i have a couple uh like we can do the features let's do phones first thing yeah a little behind the scenes marquez went totally off script yes completely i do that sometimes yeah uh but no i think the phones like i said at the beginning i think they look great and uh from the two hours that i spent with them i think they feel great in the hand they feel very flagship they feel comparable to what we see right now from samsung and apple so it's going to be at least competitive in that way which is not what we typically have from a Google phone. So I was really happy about that. I'm trying to remember what everyone's thoughts were when we

first saw this leak of the bar. Because it seems like everyone loves it now. I loved it from the start. There are some phone designs that look different in the render than they do in person. They just hit different in person versus in an illustration.

And this is one of them it just feels it's rock solid i love it yeah good it is interesting that with the pixel 6 they like introduced the camera bar design they they worked on that into the pixel 7 to make it feel more cohesive and then in the pixel 8 it was even more cohesive where it was all sort of part of one piece of metal and then they had the back and then they just got more kind of got rid of it i don't know it's kind of strange they got rid of it connecting i'd still say it's still there and it's still like the iconic pixel thing it's the exact it's the same camera bar it's just updated it's kind of like because previously it was the cameras that created the pill within the bar yeah and then the sun went out went away and they took the visor off i leave for two weeks and we're

back to calling it a pill it's the bean it's the pixel bean the iconic curves iconic pics not all of them this one's definitely a pill oh my god it is yeah but it went from being a visor across the whole phone to if you fast forward it's slowly getting smaller and smaller it's no longer the edges of the phone so i think it's going away from the visor that i think is so obviously a pixel which is why we have feelings about it but i still think it looks good it's still obviously a pixel yeah i think that's clear and it's very flat very square i like it so that's clear. And it's very flat, very square. I like it. So that's the hardware. Cameras are mainly unchanged as far as hardware, but we've got a 50 megapixel main

and a 48 megapixel ultra wide across all of them, except for the fold. So that means the base pixel or the pro pixel, they have the same main camera, the same ultra wide camera, the same tensor chip. So that's great. Wait, what does the fold have?

The fold doesn't fit as large of sensors in that body 48 main so it's different sensors they're smaller sensors in the fold uh and we'll get to the fold in just a second but i think across all of the regular like pixel 9 and pixel 9 pro and pro xl they are just exactly what you'd expect from that price range. They're bright, like 2,700 nits or 3,000 nits. They're 1080p, 120 hertz on the base, and that's between 60 and 120 adaptive, versus the LTPO, which goes up to 120,

down to one on the pro phones. They're all OLEDs. They're all right up to the edges with even bezels all the way around. Just in general, they make sense for the price. Yeah. You're saying it makes sense to the price, which I agree with. But previously what I loved about the Pixel so much is that they were cheaper than what

the like specs would entail. Like this feels like we've just gotten into what every other, really? About, yeah, the prices online. There are people, there are some people, and I've watched a a bunch of impressions videos some people are saying this is the biggest change they've made in a while and some people are saying this is like almost no change why is it 100 bucks more i lean more towards the first group i think they added a ton of ram they have much brighter displays they had to curve the oled around to get the bezels even all the way across the phone they have i think hardware worthy of

this price point even though the tensor is not like some huge power upgrade i think in general the hardware upgrades are worth the change in price but there are a lot of people who are like this is like not really a different phone i just think previously the hardware was comparable with other things that were the price it is now but it it was knocking it down 100, 200 bucks, which felt like a great deal. It's a reason it won like MVP. Yeah, because it was such a good deal. Now these are still great phones,

but now you're putting it up against all the other phones at the same price range. You're actually just going one for one. You know what this makes me really interested about is what the Pixel 9a ends up looking like because the Pixel 8a was almost exactly the same phone as the Pixel 8. And there was this big question of like, why wouldn't you just buy the 8? Because it's on sale by the time the 9a comes out or the 8a comes out.

And now when you have higher quality hardware, there's a bigger potential for there to be a gap in build quality, which could make the price go down significantly. bigger potential for there to be a gap in build quality, which could make the price go down significantly. Also, considering the A is usually like $450 or something, $500, there will be a much bigger price difference. However, you know, by the time the A comes out, there could be sales. The sales are probably going to be about $100.

By the time this podcast comes out, the prices on these might be $100. That is probably weeks already. But yeah, that's all going to be interesting to follow. And then there's the Pixel Fold, comes out the prices on these might be a hundred dollars that is weeks already yeah but yeah that that's all going to be interesting to follow and then there's the pixel fold which i think has the most changes versus the last generation yeah the fold it's all yeah it's now synced up obviously in september august whatever versus when it usually came out october yeah um and it is much thinner way flatter sides it's like barely barely thicker than the USB port for each side.

So when you close it up, it's a little thicker than a regular phone. It's the same size outside screen, 6.3 inches diagonally. So it's like I said, it's similar to the OnePlus Open. As the Pixel 9, not as the Pixel Fold. Sorry, yeah, as Pixel 9. Yeah. But obviously new aspect ratio, it's a little taller, a little bit more of a regular size phone, maybe a little less reachable.

But then you open it, you get this enormous eight inch screen that's also brighter you got the corner hole punch cutouts and yeah a couple extra features i mean obviously it's still going to be the tensor i guess the word pro just means 16 gigs of ram because it's also a pixel pixel nine pro fold could also just mean more expensive it feels weird putting pro in there yeah yeah but it's got the tensor g4 and 16 gigs of ram yeah they could have just called the pixel 9 fold yeah no one would have been confused yeah or the pixel fold or just the fold well okay but i get putting numbers on it the interesting thing about the number is that it assumes that they're going to make one every year which would be cool but But that's also a pretty big engineering task to make four phones a year.

And one of them is a foldable. Well, what if they're iterative from this point forward? Because I feel like this was a big jump. I agree. I think that last year was sort of the like test phase. And then they got that out of the way. And they're like, all right, everyone else knows how to make foldables. Let's figure it out.

And we did it. Yeah. Second generation, I think, is always interesting for any device. We got the first generation of the Google folding phone, and we got to see what they think a foldable should be like. And the second generation is where they apply everything they learned from the first gen. This is what happened with the Galaxy Z Fold. Yeah.

I was just thinking that. It was huge. Pretty bad. Like, huge jump. And then it was like, OK, we found our stride. Let's just keep it going. And so now, yeah, I expect it to be more iterative now yeah but i think the number nine almost signifies flat sides it's like this is the flat-sided pixel fold and it'll be iterative from here on out which is

interesting because it feels like people like to take the opportunity of having the x version of something the 10 version of something to make it like a way better and way different but they did so much this year that it feels like 10 is going to be fairly iterative too or it's going to be crazy it's going to be the triple fold uh no yeah so that's 1799 still that is that's pixel full that's kind of it i'm gonna have to have to test. Battery is about the same size. Cameras are different. We'll see. That's basically it. Can I yell at you two for a second? Wait, which two?

David and Marques. Yes. You can. I'm sorry. Neither of you plugged in the Fold to a monitor when you had it for a second. I need to know if it has anything. What monitor did they have? Bring one with you.

They did not have monitors for us to plug it into, unfortunately. I just want something like DeX. Give me Chrome OS on the Pixel Fold. That's it. I will transfer your yell to the Pixel team. Thank you. And ask them why they don't do that. Samsung and Google are the same company now,

so why don't they just put DeX. That's another thing I noticed in the keynote. Yeah, they did a lot of stuff. So many Galaxy phones. They showed a Z Flip before they showed a Pixel. Yeah. No, no. That was a Motorola Razr Plus.

Oh, the first one? They first showed an S24 Ultra. And then it was a Motorola Razr. And they called it out by name. The test devices that they were showing Gemini on were S24 Ultras and not Pixels. Until the second live demo, I think. No, the two first live demos were the s24 ultra and the moto razor plus oh so it was the third one and then after that by name and the samsung's the one that

failed i did say that which we can get to that was like i don't see any other i guess it's because this was leaked so much that they just embrace it everyone knows what it looked like but i i haven't in years seen a phone company announce a new phone by first showing other people's phones on stage and then starting to use the new unannounced phone without name-dragging. Oh, yeah. Yeah. What is happening? That was crazy.

That was a very odd sequence of events. But then they eventually revealed it. We're not anti-competitive. We're not anti-competitive. We're not anti-competitive. Look at us. That was wild. So, yeah, we got all the hardware announcements, the phones.

We'll see. We're going to get our hands on them. We're going to review them. We're going to see if they're worth it. We'll see. We're going to get our hands on them. We're going to review them. We're going to see if they're worth it. We'll see if there's any big changes or any surprises we notice. But I think the software is really what's going to make them feel like pixels, which is usually how it goes. We should talk about the Fold a little more, I think. What else about the Fold?

The camera design is weird. I don't know why they did that. They kind of stacked it so it's a square now instead of just being i don't know why they didn't just make it look exactly like the pixel 9 pro i have one theory but i need to hold the phone again to figure it out hold the phone or i don't know i i was thinking okay you remember the this doesn't make as much sense but you remember the microsoft surface how it folded all the way back? Unfortunately. And it needed to, like, slightly slope the camera. The two, yeah.

So that it would, like, match. Magnetically attached. That comes to mind, but this one doesn't fold all the way back. Yeah, it doesn't fold all the way back. So it doesn't matter. So why did they do that? No, I think David had an idea, it was a couple episodes ago, that it was because, like, just getting too close to the folding mechanism

probably was interrupting some sort of oh ribbon cables or hinge or something in there but i do think like we're talking about how the first phones uh like you know updated the the visor and like this is obviously a pixel this is not this could be anything and i don't like that i wish it had the the like bar across the visor yeah the pixel the first pixel fold had the visor all the way across but there were no cameras on that side of the hinge near the hinge yeah so the other thing is just how big of a glow up this pixel is in general this pixel fold is in general like the interior and exterior screen are both really bright. They're both 120 Hertz. It's super freaking thin. It's like one of the biggest interior displays.

Uh, Google told us the biggest interior display, but I think what was in the fine, fine print was like available in the United States. Yeah. Um, that said the other phones that have bigger interior displays are like 8.0, three versus 8.0,

zero. So, so it's about as big as you can get pretty much um yeah i i don't know i'm super excited about that one and the the fact that it's the same price is cool even though it's still insanely expensive it is i wonder if this is the one that's going to get me to use a folding phone daily because i've had i've like had stints with folding phones as my daily and then I just end up back. Like, I've used the Galaxy Z Fold for a little while, and then I just end up back on the slab phone.

I'm like, oh, yeah, I realize why I use the slab phone. The aspect ratio is way better. But I think this one, because it's a normal aspect ratio on the outside, could get me. Yeah. The other kind of strange thing is the exterior display is, like, rounded while also being contained by the metal bar yeah which and it kind of looks like there is just like a phone inside of a case

that is part it looks like the um the velvet folding case remember when the velvet added the second screen yeah with the case it's it's like a The phone looks like it's slid into a dock. Right. On both sides. The back also. Yeah. It looks like two phones that were slid into some phone docks that made it open that way.

Yeah, I don't know. I'm most excited about that device. It feels really good in the hand. It feels so good. I know I've said that sentence before about other phones, but it does. I just don't know how they had this big of a glow up in one year it is pretty crazy because going from like arguably what might be the best folding phone when all these other companies

had a bazillion years to do it yeah it's kind of talk about a leapfrog yeah seriously came in last place in the first heat and then suddenly won the second heat yeah what happened what was it called in the olympics this year uh repassage where like you could like dancing fail you could fail your first heat and then go into uh yeah a second google jogged the first heat booked it in the second heat and they just save their energy you guys came back from that hands-on just like i don't even care about the regular pixels that fold looks sick yeah i messaged the slack and i was like i regret to inform you guys that google cooked i think i said that in the video too they cooked on this one they cooked can i throw one more question up or sorry are you done talking about adam i know you and alex were looking at this yesterday but were

you saying the trade-in values were not very good this year they were not very good this year i'm trying to look up some stuff a fold 5 256 gets you 540 bucks that feels not great 540 for a folding samsung phone from last year it's like the most recent generation outside of the new one that just came out am i crazy that seems that seems not bad well Well, that phone cost $1,800. I know, but I mean, compared to like, you know, Google and Samsung used to buy you a house when you turn in. If you turn in a Pixel Fold, you get $760.

That's pretty good, but that's with Google. What if you do a... Yeah, but I could literally hand Apple a sack of gold that I found at the end of a rainbow and they'd spit on me like i think apple gives decent trade-in values for apple phones i promise you they don't really dude when

i my fully specced out imac pro hold let me actually make sure i have this right wait you can trade in lg phones they are bad with computer yeah i mean it's fair because like ellis is saying the trade-in values before used to be insane so this seems like very I traded in a $50,000 Mac Pro and they were going to give me $50,000 like they don't give you a lot if you trade in an LG G8X

you can get $32 that's about right on eBay the Z Fold 4 which I know is a year older is only going for like $350 or less. Yeah, maybe fair. But I guess it's just we're so used to their older one. I feel like it used to be Google and Samsung would be like, if you trade in something from

someone else, just have it. And free Galaxy Buds. It could also be that these folding phones are just so expensive. So even if they give you $800, $900, you're still paying $1,000 for this phone. I think that what the companies see is like most people do not change phone manufacturers on a year to year basis. So in the past, it's been like if you are willing to go Google, we will give you a ton of money because you were probably a Samsung diehard before this, and you're very likely to stay in the Google ecosystem continuously, so we're willing to give you more than something's worth to acquire you as a customer

because customer acquisition cost is crazy, which is why carrier deals are insane. But then why does the Fold get more money than the Samsung Fold? What? The Google Pixel Fold gets more money than the Samsung Fold then. That's true. I don't know. Like $200. It's probably still selling gets more money than the Samsung Fold then. That's true. I don't know. Like 200 bucks.

It's probably still selling for more money. I also just want to say I was wrong. Apple will still give me a third of the value of this 12 mini. That's pretty good. That's crazy. That's crazy. That thing sucks. That's almost four.

Dog. Welcome back. Yeah, yeah. In my house, bro. No mini sliders. Z Flip 5 five is only you get 300 bucks for 300 feels low when the jet came out below wow that feels really low dang oh yeah sorry anyway okay um yeah sad that the trade-in deals aren't great so it sounds like we really want to talk about software after the break yeah that'll be the first thing we jump into let's take a quick

break we got to do some ads but we also got to do some trivia oh it feels good to hit that button again the lights are back trivia back to having no shot at answering this october 4th 2017 like i mentioned before made by google event simpler times that made by Google event. Simpler times. That made by Google event gave us such bangers as the Google Home Max, a premium Pixelbook, and a hardware device manufactured by a company called Gortek. What product was it? Gortek?

Not Gorteks. G-O-E-R-T-E-K. It's a Chinese company. In 2017. 2017. A hardware product that was manufactured by it must be good because the google home max is doing so well well it's discontinued right yes yes i still have one they're i use it every day they're pretty do you really it's awesome i love it it should have been waterproof and had a mount to put like under the roof on I still have one. I use it every day. They're pretty cool. Do you really? It's awesome. I love them. They're great. It should have been waterproof and had a mount to put under the roof on your deck or something. It would have been perfect.

Oh, I thought it was more like a living room. They were also very heavy. I think it would be so much better outside. They really are. That was always my argument. That might be a different product because it has a touch surface on top, which is horrible outside if it rains. It's voice activated.

It's just a volume slider. Do you guys want a little hint for this one yeah i would love in my never-ending quest to figure out how the speakers in the macbook pro work i identified gore tech as a possible supplier of app of audio components for apple was not able to determine whether or not they made the speakers in the MacBook Pro, but they are on the list of the 10,000 suppliers that work with Apple. And they have in the past done a bunch of audio stuff. Did they make the speakers in this Google product? I have no clue. I have no idea. It has speakers. I think I might know.

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There are lots of things about these phones that are smart. So there's some new stuff on top of Gemini. And the whole event, Rick, like from the start said, like there's all these situations where people announce things at events and then they are coming soon or coming later which almost felt like a direct call out to us although I'm sure we're not the only people saying that but we complain about it all the time so everything here was live on stage they did demo it all live some of that backfired that's okay I'm glad they tried it um okay first one I want to just jump in

is pixel weather there's a new Pixel Weather app. It looks really good. You can move around the tiles, and there's all these beautiful tiles and all colorful, and then there's a little AI summary at the top, like, oh, maybe wear some sunscreen this afternoon because it's going to be hot, something like that. So cool.

It's a built-in weather app that's better than before. The app looks great, though. It looks great. It's weird that they focus so much on the AI summary part and that it's AI because the rest of the app just looks like a really nice integrated weather app. It looks like a totally normal weather app. And they were like, but what if we put AI in it? This is part of the whole, like, they are focusing more on Gemini than anything else thing that doesn't make any sense to me.

It's like, we built all these large language models. How do we use it here? It's like, guys, people have brains. They can to me. It's like, we built all these large language models. How do we use it here? It's like, guys, people have brains. They can see that if it's raining, you should put a raincoat on. What do these confusing numbers mean all over my screen? Did he say that? He said that, right?

More or less. I think he said basically like, I don't wanna have to look through all these numbers and I would rather have the AI tell me what to do. And it was like, even the temperature. It'd take you longer to read the AI summary than to just glance at the numbers. In their defense, I did have an apartment

where the window went out onto a brick wall and you couldn't see the sky or the clouds or anything. So I would always check my weather app to see what it was outside. But did the weather tell you to use an umbrella? No. Then it's the exact same thing. You can still see those confusing numbers

on your weather app, you know? That's true. Anyway, I'm going to use an umbrella no then it's the exact same thing you still see those confusing numbers on your weather app you know that's true anyway i'm gonna use it i happen to be a weather app aficionado will this replace carrot no i mean carrot is in an incredible weather app and it's also ios only and it's also mean to you yeah jim and i won't curse it it also has an ai built in but it doesn't tell you anything about the weather it just insults you so that's different and it probably didn't need to spend billions of dollars to uh train that model yeah but i'll dive in i'll see if the pixel weather app is any good probably in too much detail sorry in advance um what else we got call notes so if you're on the phone and you want to remember a bunch of things from this call or it's some really important call you can hit call notes it'll notify everyone that it's recording and then it will just transcribe

and summarize everything happening kind of like the recorder app would. Yeah, great. I tested that at the demo event. It is very abrupt and loud. There's a button that's like use call notes and it just immediately goes, Google Assistant is recording this call,

just very loudly. Which is better than not doing it. Yeah, I mean, if you tell the person i think they learned that from the whole google duplex thing that happened way back yeah with it calling and making reservations and depending on where you are it would be illegal to record calls without consent from both parties right so although that would do it anyway without needing to get consent you're just telling them i think well assuming that they would hang up the phone then if they don't want to be yeah that's fair so there's that um there is also the pixel studio

which is essentially an ai image generation tool exactly the way you saw it in apple's keynote same thing here remember how apple made it what do they call it something else studio studio it's a ai studio playground studio whatever uh It's just an AI image generator. It's all on device. It's got a bunch of different built-in styles. You give it a text prompt. It spits out an image for you. You can refine it.

You can adjust it, add things, add stickers, add text, have it make new, whatever. It exists. You can use it if you want. I think they're trying to compete with Canva on this one. Because Canva is like a massively rapidly growing business and even adobe is freaked out at canva and is trying to like compete with them and canva now has a lot of these ai features that allow you to make greeting cards and stuff really quickly i think that's a bites and stuff a great

comparison because the way they demoed it made a little more sense than just like let's just make this thing for fun theirs was we're having a small get together let's make a like fun invite at the golden gate bridge bonfire or whatever and yeah but so canva's like that's a really good comparison yeah and also canva is like an insanely fast growing oh yeah so yeah the one that caught a lot of attention that i think is either everything or nothing is called add me and it's a camera feature it's a mode that's built into the camera so you swipe over from photos to portrait to add me add me is for the situation where you are going to take a group photo but you don't have an extra person who's not in the picture to take it for you i don't know

you're on a hike or something everyone's everyone's going to be in the picture to take it for you. I don't know, you're on a hike or something. Everyone's gonna be in the picture. You always have to leave someone out when you do a group photo and it's really sad. Right, so this is, we don't have a tripod, we don't wanna leave anyone out. It's a built-in photo in the camera. You stand back, you take a picture of everyone except for you and you leave a little space for you

somewhere in the picture. And then everyone leaves and someone holds the camera and frames you walking in and standing in that last spot in the camera and frames you walking in and standing in that last spot in the photo and it stitches them all together so now you're in the photo Admi has added you in

I tried this once at the hands-on it actually worked it worked really well it looks awesome it's in a beautifully lit super bright environment I'm curious in different environments how well this may or may not work but it did seem to stitch me into the fake picture with you and brandon yeah it was kind of crazy because we were sort of more to the right where the light wasn't coming in

as much and you stood closer to the window where there's a lot more light and it seemed to match the lighting scenarios together really well yeah yeah i think it's one of those things that'll do like a c plus job where it's like better than asking someone who has no idea how to edit images how to add them into the picture so it's just like oh it does it for you cool i mean the demo we did felt like an a minus yeah i watched a bunch of other people's videos and there was a big range of oh really interesting yeah what what did you see was getting messed up? Becca in her video for The Verge said it worked half the time. It also

sometimes messes up cutouts. So if your hand is like really brightly lit against a bright background, it just might like mess up the cutouts of like in between your fingers and things like that. Interesting. So it's trying. I mean, it's obviously just built into the camera. It's a convenient thing. That's interesting and I want to test it more. It seems like it's cutting out one of the pictures rather than just built into the camera. It's a convenient thing. That's interesting, and I want to test it more.

It seems like it's cutting out one of the pictures rather than just finding the seam line between where it would connect and almost feather brushing that. I don't know exactly how it's doing it. That's a good question. I think it might be a combination of those things. It might be cutting out the whole subject

and feathering everything. It might be feathering half of it. It's a cool tool because it shows this like floating white frame. The overlay was really cool. Which I think is the best part of it. It's what makes it relatively intuitive. All the person needs to know is hit the shutter button again. But yeah, it worked.

I also noticed that on the phones at the event, they put the Admi feature just in the carousel at the bottom. So you have camera, video, and add me is right to the left yeah so they're like instead of putting in some hidden sub menu of like hey here's a feature that you only really use if you know that google has cool ai camera features they have it right there yeah so people who buy the pics are gonna see that and think like what's that right alongside like night sight and stuff like that right and it is a feature that everyone could really take advantage of for For sure. I could have used it this weekend.

I was up with some friends, and we just took a picture after playing disc golf, and we were propping it on some guy's bag with another water bottle, and then timing it to 10 seconds and running over and trying to get the dogs in the picture also. I was like, damn, this would have been perfect if one person could have just switched out. This was something I was wondering about. If you're just doing it with two people. You can do it was wondering about. If you're just doing it with two people.

You can do it with two people. Yeah, you can do it with two people. How close can you get to each other and like, or fake get to each other? Oh, we're going to find out. You can stand, I saw some examples. You can stand behind them. It will be harder to, it will look more fake. Because the cutouts will be more obvious.

I want to try this. When Claire and I went to the Tetons, we were, we took this really long hike up to this beautiful lake. It took forever, and we asked this guy to take a picture of us. And when I got back down, I looked at it, and it's the worst photo I've ever seen. Oh, no. This is the future for everyone who's had that experience. Yeah.

It would be awesome if we could have just taken both of them. Yeah. A few months ago, I was at Central Park, and I had my camera with me. And a guy stopped me with his friend and was like, hey you look like a photographer could you take our photo and i was like uh here we go and as soon as someone saw me taking his photo a queue started and i took the photos of like seven groups of people because everyone kept seeing me taking a picture of them and we're like oh we should get our photo and i was like what do you this is what so you're

saying if one of those people had a pixel 9 if you would have turned them down all of them had a pixel 9 i'd be like no do it yourself as someone who missed the event could i go around new york with a pixel 9 taking pictures of just random people without their consent on the street and then make a big family photo of like 30 people who have never met each other before as long as they're really hard they all have to be in the same place oh you have people so if i wait yeah if i wait at one section to just yeah i could make i could make the cutest family photo of people who literally have never met each other one do one better you can have someone else hold the camera and you can multiply yourself yeah you can just make a

bunch of it tries to stop you from doing it but it does mess i'd like to see it i'm gonna do it the multiple the random person one would be hard because like the point kind of is like when the next person grabs the photo they can be like oh move over to the right a little bit or like so you can frame them up because it shows this overlay of how you've got to frame it up and where the people were before yeah so you wouldn't be able to tell people walking down the street like oh can you move to your right a little bit or yeah but you should try i don't know i adam just pulled up a picture of julian from wired that uh he's in it twice yeah it tries to stop you with the orange jacket one yeah yeah i saw that one yeah i think no i think i think this might be a short.

I think this might be a... How many of the same person can we fit into one photo? Actually, that's a really great segue because there is also Magic Editor, which is improved on these new phones. Updated, yeah. And there are some extra things that it can do. Obviously, it's...

Well, you already know what Magic Editor could do. It could do a bunch of, like, erasing things. Now, it can also reframe based on photography principles. You can have it add more background or level the horizon or do whatever with generative fill to make your photo look more correct. It can also reimagine though. And I played with this in my hands-on. There are some things that it did do

and some things that it just decided it wouldn't do. But you can just select like a whole road that a car is on and highlight the whole thing and hit reimagine and just type like raging river and it will just turn it into a river and it's a totally new scene that never existed that you just reimagined it as yeah and i also want to test that and see what i can get it to do we We need to just take pictures around the dump area that we are in and make it look like beautiful mountains and wildflowers. Make it, reimagine it as beautiful. Yeah, I'm going to do that.

Sebastian DeWitt had a good thread about this. It says, wow, mom, I can't believe these photos are my third birthday. I can't believe there were all these flowers and hot air balloons. And then mom, oh no, sweetie, that was just something we added for no reason on our pixel phones yeah these aren't photos anymore look you did go to disney world when you were three look it's mickey do these i didn't even check are these watermarked as edited there aren't right i think it's probably google's like invisible watermark thing oh man because like in a magic

editor photo if i erase a photo bomber in the background and i save it it's like boom new photo no watermark needed like i just got rid of somebody in the background yeah now it's pushing that even more i literally changed a road into a lake and i added a hot air balloon behind me and i changed the person into a dog and julian's admi picture does not have a watermark yeah it also well interesting bro this is picture the teenager texting no mom i swear i'm at john's house here's a picture of me at john's house yeah i don't know every single year we keep saying what is a photo more and more and at this point it's like it's our fault i mean this is definitely not a photo anymore no the reimagined part it's just not a photo it's an image yeah but

it's not a photo i can get the like reframing and like adding a little bit of generative fill on the outside that's just trying to copy what it is maybe this also didn't do a great job at it there's like very obvious a big chunk in the corner of it that looks like every ai fill in there was a demo they did on the pixel fold where they took this photo of this guy sitting on some grass, blowing a bubble with some chewing gum, and they took it at an angle, which is funny because

they're in the middle of a field and the guy was like, if I had only had more time to take this photo correctly, it's like, the bubble was about to pop. I guess. So they used it to reframe it they added more sky added more grass and made it made the horizon level which in my opinion the first photo is cooler but whatever uh but the way that it filled in the extra information was like some of the grass

very much looks generated yeah shoes they could have had a better example of this they did add information to the shoes because the shoes had gotten cut off but it changed the design of the left shoe in the front part of it yeah but none of this matters because we're about to put a bunch of flowers over that's true and then they added a bunch of flowers to the grass because what is reality they really did they really did and a hot air balloon so that's not oh wait wait not a great hot air balloon the hot air balloon thing was really funny because these were all live demos so he circles an area and he wanted to show how much screen he had so he zoomed in a lot to circle the area for some reason and then he said hot air balloon and he's like cool it generated a number of different options so let's go through the

options the first one was really good the second one was like a potato it was not a hot air balloon it was just some blob and he's like oh uh let's look some other ones and he got to the third one and it was clearly not as good as the first one but he couldn't go back to the first one because he doesn't want to go back past the blob again he was trying to just that was my favorite moment of the keynote honestly hats there's someone in his ear like do not scroll back do not scroll back hats off to google for doing this all this live yeah seriously although some of it definitely wasn't live because the generated thing in the pixel studio the image was the exact same image of the golden gate bridge and the fire and everything as the one in our demo units hmm those were pretty maybe that's just what it generates every time you have that prompt in that style.

But a diffusion model is not supposed to do that. Yeah, I think they even said it in the keynote that this won't be the same. I think that style parameter for Google's seven or eight styles at the bottom are extremely specific. Maybe. I think. Maybe. It looked exactly the same, though, as the one

in our demo. But anyway. So that's Magic Editor. That's another AI feature. That's kind of it. There's one more called the Made You Look. It's not AI at all, but it's a software feature. Wait, no, there's a couple other ones. There's a couple other ones.

Oh, there is? Yeah. What did I miss? Screenshots was one that felt really stupid at first, and I actually think is one of the most useful out of all of them. I can be swayed, maybe. You just fell for Marques' trap.

He baited you into that. He baited me into that. I thought the screenshot app so essentially what it does is pinterest every time you take a screenshot it stores it in a separate folder that's labeled screenshots in a separate app sorry well there's an app new app the when you take the screenshot you don't have to be in the app you just take it and then in the app has an ai search feature so this is pretty much microsoft recall except you take all of the screenshots

instead of Microsoft. So then through that, all of your screenshots, you can use a search feature that will search all of those screenshots you've taken and bring things up if you're looking for them. And you also can organize them all in different folders. So if you have like, you know, you just take screenshots for every time you wanna maybe,

you see a gift you wanna buy for your mom or you're looking up bikes, they said. It puts it all in the same folder. It's basically, Alex said it, Pinteresting your screenshot. But Google Photos didn't already do this? So it did. That's what is kind of strange

because Google Photos already has a screenshots folder. Google Photos already identifies what's in the screenshot and you can search through your Google Photos to find it. The main differentiator is that it just gives you a way to organize it and then the main main differentiator because it's actually the main differentiator but I forgot until now is that it adds special metadata to the screenshots that you don't get at it otherwise so oh he adds a link so if you take a picture this is only if you take a screenshot in Chrome or fortunately yeah

they said that they are going to have an open api that allows you to integrate this i don't think anyone will because nobody cares about this but if you take a screenshot in like chrome on a chrome page you when you go in the screenshots app and you find the thing you can jump immediately back to the page that's cool which you see that's cool that's some that's some good old-fashioned pixel right there yeah you know what i'm talking about it's just metadata though which is interesting they could kind they could probably do that with without ai with regular screenshots yeah my hot take is they could do all this in google photos yeah easily the organization part is kind of cool it just is like a better better UI of having it all there. And then the searching through it is like live updating it, all the searches coming up through

pretty quickly. It does feel like it should just be in photos, but I think the different types of saved organization of it is kind of neat. There's also a good amount of things that I want to use this exact functionality for that aren't screenshots that's like me taking a picture of an event invite or me taking a picture of a billboard and then I have to take a screenshot of my picture for it to then show up in the screenshots app so it's just a little

Can I say my conspiracy theory? I think that they want this mainly for shopping They don't want you to do that where you take a picture of something then screenshot the picture because that's useful. That's what Google Photos is for. It's just another way for them to sell things. Can I say my conspiracy theory for it?

Got it. The way you say it. No, mine's not as bad. This is just them being like, don't delete all your old screenshots. You need more cloud storage now. Hold on to all of your photos. Screenshots isn't enough. If you saved all of your screenshots on your screenshots isn't enough which is yeah but if you save if you saved all of your screenshots i don't delete my screenshot i

have a thing that deletes them after like 30 days when you go to the free up space part of google photos it suggests deleting yeah yeah it takes up a lot funny it's high resolution it's a it's the same resolution as your screen are they using all all my screenshots for training data yes am i just making they were they've been doing that for years the funny thing is last night i had an instance in which this would have been very useful um because i dance a lot at weddings uh i ripped my suit i jumped up in the air did the splits my pants ripped in half in the air in the air wait not landing in the air in the air they ripped in the air many people were i need to know yeah wait can we guess what song i don't remember was it mr brightside possibly there is no song that i can think of that would actually warrant definitely a sabrina carpenter jump around okay never mind

you got well but jump around you're just hopping fair that probably would be the worst one to do jump up jump up and get down the last one big jump i guess i could picture you doing a mean air splits to twist and shout by the beatles too that's especially if it's like 11 45 p.m you know it was about that time all right all right so anyway it's context a friend of mine was like we should get you a new suit but we should like look at options online because your last suit was a boring color and i was like okay so we're like looking through and they're like oh this is a cool one like can you save it and i was like i guess i'll go on my computer and like make a folder and put the link in the folder for suit shopping but i was thinking

like wait this could be useful in the screenshots app because it would bring me back because i we were just searching google for different suits so i wasn't sticking to a certain brand so being able to like look at the ones I liked and then jump to the page and know what brand it was and check it out. That would be useful. But again, I still feel like they could just put this in regular screenshots.

You could there also save it in a suits folder so now every time you find one you like you have a screenshot suits. I can't say all of this at once. In Apple Phot photos i could just search suit and i would pull up all my screenshots and have a photo right but not with a link that's well this is why i'm saying just add the link metadata to google photos i just yeah i don't

know i'm with you on that they should just add this to google photos yeah and maybe they will in a year and they'll fire the 70 people who just made the screen. Yeah, for sure. They don't even talk to the Google Photos team. I looked at my iPhone history of all the screenshots I've ever taken in the history of my iPhone.

1,625 screenshots. It's not that much. And one screenshot is four megs. So like four gigs of screenshots. There are definitely times where if I could just

take four gigs out. That's my whole 12 mini right there. Dang. It's four gigs of screenshots. There are definitely times where if I could just take four gigs out. That's my whole 12 mini right there. Four gigs right there. Yeah. So yeah, the screenshots app is a thing. We'll try it. We'll see if it works. I will note that in our video, I did attempt to search for lawnmower and it didn't pull up the obvious screenshot of a lawnmower.

And that's because you need to process every screenshot first so that it enables the metadata and searching and then it will come up on device or in the cloud uh i think it's all on device but you open the image in the screenshot shop and there's a little process now button you hit process now then the metadata will show up when you search it indexes it on the spot i don't know why you have to do that i don't know if you get the phone and you have to decide to process every screenshot you've ever taken or if there's a but i don't know how it's going to work but that happened in the video it really feels like we're just reinventing things that already worked pretty well like the photos app yeah yeah and a lot of things that gemini do because gemini still doesn't have feature

parity with google assistant even though i have to decide what assistant app you want to use well that's a great segue to the last one, which is Gemini. Gemini. Gemini has this new thing called Gemini Live that is just talking to it conversationally back and forth. And isn't Scarlett Johansson. And it's, yeah, there's a bunch of different voices. There's like seven or eight voices or something like that. And you, obviously you can use Gemini just with asking a single prompt

and then it answers and then you hit the mic button again and ask if something new and it answers and context is saved. But with Gemini Live, it opens this whole new full screen UI. You start talking to it. It starts replying

and you can interrupt and ask it another question. You can just have a full on conversation with it. And then at the end, you can just hit that close button, get a screenshot or a transcript, a transcript of everything you just had this conversation about. So it's just a full-on built multimodal version of it,

which is, I guess, kind of cool. I think what's interesting is you can use it hands-free in the headphones, which we haven't talked about yet. But the new Pixel Buds have this Gemini Live feature sort of built in, so you can just have a conversation and it looks like you're on the phone with someone, but you're just talking to your assistant, which is even closer

to this one movie I saw that we had to beg you to watch for months. Anyway, so yeah, Gemini Multimodal does some stuff. It's ChatGPTO the live, pretty much. Yeah, I'm going to use it. I'm going to review it.

I'm going to see if it's good. And they did have the multimodal stuff. That was the first one that didn't work, where they took a photo of a Sabrina Carpenter tour date and said, check my calendar to see if I can make this. And it failed twice. twice yeah not a great look um it was like something went wrong please try again later yeah and it so it can work with keep notes and app no keep task and calendar jesus um uh so it can do that still exists it also

you can ask it fun questions like explain photosynthesis in a way a gamer can understand yeah i i'm gonna try that too i want to know what it says oh i already tried it what did it say so on stage they were like they were like explain photosynthesis in a way that gamers can understand so i asked the same question and it said think of photosynthesis like a plant's way of leveling up. Sunlight. This is the plant's power up, like collecting coins in a game. Chlorophyll. It's the plant's special ability, like having a supercharged weapon that helps capture sunlight.

Water and carbon dioxide. These are the basic building blocks, like the raw materials you need to craft items in the game. It's just doing like Fortnite. Yeah, that's kind of fire, for instance. That's kind of fire. Okay. That actually works. Gamers can't afford this?

If you're a gamer, you can probably not afford the $20 a month for Gemini Advance. It would have been way funnier if it was like gamers don't know what sunlight is. It just ended right there. That's true. So, you know. In defense of gamers, they do also already have someone to talk to, usually, on the headset.

So why would they need this? Yeah. When I can just ask the random stranger on the internet that I'm playing the game with, hey, can you describe photosynthesis to me? And he'll just tell me to, like, uninstall the game. You should ask him what the weather is outside. You should put a sun coat on.

What's a sun coat? No, that's a thing. It's called a sun jacket. Okay, good. So yeah, that's pretty much it. We've got all these AI features now coming to the Pixel 9s. A lot of them are just coming to the Pixel 9s and I don't know when they're going to start showing up

in the other phones, but we will test those, of course, as well for the full review.'t know when they're going to start showing up in the other phones, but we will test those, of course, as well for the full review. I'm going to leave a challenge for you guys in the comment section below. Which one do you think you would actually use? Fold. Do you think you would actually use any of them?

The AI features? Fold. Would you use the AI weather app? Would you use Admi in the camera? Do you actually think you're going to use it? I would encourage you to leave a comment specifically on that because I'm super curious. would you use add me in the camera do you actually think you're going to use it i would i would encourage you to leave a comment specifically on that because i'm super curious um call screening yeah i would use so many of these calls i hope they come to the galaxy s24 they will which one

do you which one screenshots add me the weather app shots yeah okay i'm i don't think i'm gonna big screenshot guy i'm gonna use it for the review and then i'm gonna forget about it hello and welcome to samsung galaxy i mean google made by google pixel event that was also something really funny during the event she's like gemini is multimodal i'm watching this youtube video from one of my favorite creators and i wanted to and just on the screen is her not subscribed to the creator just she wasn't subscribed that's the first thing we noticed unlike the gemini lady you should subscribe yeah yeah right now right now and wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts anywhere you get your podcasts anywhere powerful phrase trivia

activity pub wait was that the CTA? Yeah, that ruled. That was awesome. David saved that one. But like, I guess that works. Okay, cool. Sure. I have in front of me four Google project code names.

Actually, some of them are official project names and not code names, but some of them are code names. And either way, three of them are real and one of them I made up and I think we're going to wait until the end of the show so if you want to hear my hilarious fake Google project. I don't get to like ruminate on

them? Well should we ruminate on them? I thought it'd be cool to build suspense but I'm going to go. Okay I'll read them. You should just read us the fake ones. Next time we do this we should have Gemini develop the names just to show that you're way better than Gemini at this. David that gemini at this because every time you do it i get it wrong now i'm all now i'm all blushing guys uh all right yeah the first one is google sycamore sycamore like the tree google syco mode the second one the second one is Project Bernanke, named after Chairman of the Federal Reserve, Ben Bernanke.

The third one is Project Blueberry. Project Blueberry. Google Blueberry. Is it real? And finally, D, Sidewalk Labs. Sidewalk Labs. A lab of concrete on the side of the street. Finally, D, sidewalk labs. Sidewalk labs. A lab of concrete on the side of the street.

Remember Project Butter? What could it be? Project Butter? That is a real one. That's an OG one. Wait, really? Yeah, I was so hyped about it. It was like smooth animations.

It was to stop stuttering. It didn't work. I thought it worked pretty well. I was really disappointed. Really? I was more impressed with Project Butter than I was at Deep Fusion or whatever the heck Apple added six months later. I thought they did about the same amount of difference.

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Wait, what? Remember that product? The watch buds. Yeah, the Huawei watch buds. That was both in one? Yeah. Yeah, sick good throwback except that they sounded awful they were rough the battery was tough too yeah any but no seriously there's two there's two they made the galaxy watch three no they didn't the pixel watch they could have because they're the same god darn company my brain okay they made the pixel watch 3 which is like two watches this time and they made the pixel

buds pro 2 as well let's start with the watch okay all right thank you somebody thank you make a decision okay wait you said buds watch you said watch okay so there's two new there's one new size there's a 45 millimeter size but the design of the pixel watch is largely the same the same with slightly thinner bezels of course the ui still fades into those bezels but you've got that like seamless pebble look it's the thing that we know the pixel watch to look like it's but now the small one which we've had for a while 41 millimeters is paired with a big one 45 millimeters that means the big one, which we've had for a while, 41 millimeters, is paired with a big one, 45 millimeters. That means the big one, I don't actually know if it has longer battery. Does it have a bigger battery?

I think they very specifically said 35% larger battery. Larger battery. Which makes it feel like no extra screen. So probably similar battery. Okay, fair. But also a new dual chip architecture, which could make a battery life difference. So we'll see. a new dual chip architecture, which could make a battery life difference.

So we'll see. Yeah. Then there's this new thing that I guess we're all copying Garmin now and they do this like energy score. No, that's Samsung. Body battery. No, that's Garmin.

That's Garmin. I'm just saying from the Garmin thing that they're stealing. Exactly. They're stealing a body battery thing. I think it's readiness score. I think that's what it's called. Okay, so at the beginning of every day,

you have a whole list of factors that all contribute to your readiness score, which is probably a number from zero to 100 that tells you how you're doing for the day. There's some new running features. There's also improved measurement of heart rate during running, which they talked about being a very difficult thing to do. So hopefully it's more accurate while you're running around. And so measurement of heart rate while you're dead as well. Oh, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's the one AI thing.

And I don't know how it's AI. So please explain to me if you know. But apparently there's a thing called loss of pulse events, where if the watch detects one, it gives you a prompt on the screen. And if you don't answer, it will contact emergency services. I always assumed a loss of pulse event was like a permanent thing but apparently you can have a semi-permanent loss of pulse event and then it will contact services that can bring you back to life and that would be great so that's the thing that they can do how is it ai i don't know i figured it was just seeing your pulse every second you know

because i put my pants on one leg at a time like everyone else but i'm gonna go ahead and assume that they've painstakingly trained this on a model of all the stuff and a live guy does like like breathing and and moving and and and pulsing having heat having heat so when you take all those complex data points and you you move them through the diffusion model back and forth eventually you have this perfect picture of an alive guy right right right or girl yeah and then if they have a loss of pulse then the models like this doesn't check out this doesn't yeah so my question to the audience a normal i feel really i feel really dumb because i feel like we must be missing something here because the pixel watch 2

specifically was updated to track your pulse every second your heart rate which it's like the big your pulse right so it was the big features that attracts it once a second yeah i would figure that a loss of pulse detection would just be knowing it's still on your wrist but feeling no pulse they made it seem like a big ai thing it's a good feature that it's they should everyone should have and should have had seemingly a long time ago but if i'm wrong and this is actually really complicated i would like to know how and why um marketing probably they brought a doctor on and he was like a loss of pulse detection happens when your heart stops beating and i was like yeah that's what i thought i really kind of figured that i figured all the other sensors stay the same and one of them's like

oh no more pulse if that's ai then that's ai i don't know gemini explain yeah we're not we're not uh what thinking this is a bad idea. This is a great idea because if a situation like that happens with no one around, being able to call emergency services could literally be life-saving. We just don't know what the AI is. Overall, the watch is

pretty similar to the last ones. I think a lot of people were asking for a bigger one because the Pixel watch, I mean, there is no Ultra. I'm glad there's a bigger one. It's bigger. It's larger on your wrist. It's a bigger screen. It's just more information.

You can see like the feed from your Nest doorbell now. Yeah. If you get a doorbell ring. Take photos with it, which I kind of assumed it could do already, but I guess it couldn't. Or maybe it could, but still a good thing. Oh, the 360 could do that. Just saying. I remember that.

Yeah. But this is all better now with a bigger screen. So if you do that type of stuff often, you probably want to get the bigger one. Yeah, that's about it. Same prices. One to 60 hertz, variable refresh rate. Oh, is that not what it was before?

Brighter screen. I'm not sure. Brighter screen, correct. It's like 1K to 2K, I think. Yeah, 2,000 nits. 2,000 nits, sorry. But yes, variable refresh up to 60 hertz. Same prices, $349 for the small one, $399 for the big one, starting Wi-Fi. thousand nits two thousand nits sorry but yes variable refresh up to 60 hertz same prices 349

for the small one 399 for the big one yeah starting wi-fi yeah i think it was like 450 and 499 for the lte versions sounds about right yeah you know what's crazy that google should be marketing but they don't so if you have google fi google fi allows you to add e-sims to like to data only sims to like anything you want and it's free which is a cool thing except apple watches except apple watches well because it's not e-sims it's data only physical sims to like other things if you have a pixel watch and you're on google fi they don't charge you anything extra to put data on your watch pretty much every other carrier charges you an extra like five to ten dollars to have service on your watch yeah and google doesn't charge you at all and they don't market that at all

it sounds like an oversight is it because google knows it's a google watch is that just the google watch that they do that well most watches don't Fi. Oh, so this is the one that does support Google Fi. Yeah. And it's a Google product, so they know it. Yeah, but they don't market this at all. They don't sell Samsung watches, but not Apple watches. Oh, they're worse than Samsung watches. Is anybody excited about the watch?

I don't know. But there's a new Fitbit feature. There's some new Fitbit features. The running thing is weird but interesting. The kind of interesting thing about the running that I do like is that when you, so you build your own running plans with it, which it has some suggested, like, runs, but not that many. But you can, like, build it out very, very tailored to how you want to it. If you want to stay at a certain speed or stay in a certain heart rate zone and the watch will tell you both with vibrations and verbally, you need to speed up,

you need to slow down that kind of stuff. I don't run. So I don't know any of this, nor have tested any of them. I mean, Garmin does this. Garmin does this. Yeah.

Yeah. Everyone's trying to compete with Garmin. Garmin owns it. They know, they know where. Yeah. Everyone's trying to compete with Garmin. Garmin owns it. They know. They know where it's at. That's basically it for the watch. I would not be surprised if Apple did that, though. Yeah.

If an Apple Watch did that. They're not yet giving them away for free like they did with the first one. So the first one, if you bought a Pixel 6, you would get a Pixel Watch with it for free. Or sorry, Pixel 7. Yeah. I'm curious with the ai training thing with the watch if it adjusts as you go like if it detects your heart rate and your cadence and all that stuff and when your last workout was how hard it was perceived effort all

that stuff and adjust the rest of the plan moving forward i think to like think have that in in mind yeah because i don't know right now it's like you pick a plan on all these apps and it just kind of stays the same yeah it might like drop a run or two if you're really missing out like garmin will be like it looks like you're not working out so we're just gonna like stop this for a bit but if you could just like pick up and it knows when the last time you worked out was all that stuff and adjust as it goes that would be cool. I have found that as someone with a higher than average resting heart rate, the apps

like Strava automatically account for that without me needing to put it in, but Apple is like, dude, you're going to die. There's no way this is healthy. Damn. I want to test out the running features when we actually get the units in. I liked the Pixel Watch when I used it a long time ago,

but Fitbit apps, I still hate that that's the Google Health. It's not Google Health. That's the Fitbit app. Google Fit, they kind of deprecated sort of, and then they have Google. Now it's called Google Fitbit. Jeez. I know.

It's kind of a mess. It's on the same level as Assistant and Gemini. Kind of, yeah. Fitbit. Jeez. I know. It's kind of a mess. It's on the same level as Assistant and Gemini. Kind of, yeah. Confused. Yeah. Okay, and then we have the Buds, which actually seem like a fairly major upgrade just in design. The original Pixel Buds Pro 1 were good,

but they were very bulgy. They were very thick. These ones, they've slimmed down quite a bit. They added some wingtips it love that and apparently they're using ai again to have twice as good noise cancellation which was the same uh quote that apple said when they announced the second generation but uh apple airpods pro can i just say something real quick yeah sorry they're calling them wing fins yes i do think these look a little different than a wing tip which would be like pointing out quite a bit and going into the upper part of your ear this just looks like an extra so that would solidify in the

bottom the interesting part about these so for those that don't know what they look like they're pretty small but they have these like i would say it's a small fin that comes off the back. And the way they described them in the event was you don't need to twist it in your ear if you're just casually listening and casually walking. But when you start doing something intense where you're moving your head around a lot, if you twist it, it will secure it more.

Sport mode. Sport mode. Sport mode for your Crocs. And they basically made it sound like it's more comfortable if you don't twist it but it's more secure if you do interesting um which is interesting and they sound pretty good they have a new tensor a1 chip oh right which is apparently going to help with the faster noise cancellation which will help with transparency mode that will help with battery life yeah and also there's a speaker in the case which can make a noise if you lose them right and then find them with the find

my network which is nice which is nice and then same price $299 and also ip54 sweat resistant yeah no precision finding this time yeah um but that's okay but yeah so that's that's them they look i don't know i'm really i'm interested they look good they look i've always thought pixel buds looked good just never used them for some reason and now like we said earlier they're kind of like gemini live buds and that's the same time yeah yeah you can use gemini live and just like have the whole conversation without without even taking your phone out of your pocket. That was a rough live demo also. Yeah.

He basically was like, hey Gemini, I'm nervous to be on this stage. What could make me less nervous? Oh, there's this guy out there that I really like. It's like, okay, I got this. Hey, Mark Rober. And then they just like Sidney Sweeney, Mark Rober from the Galaxy event.

And he just sat there and he's like, yeah. And then it came back. That's it for the gadgets. Wait, I want to say something about the buds. Hit us. I'm excited to listen to them. I haven't listened to them yet. They have 11 millimeter drivers.

That's cool. There's one thing on the product site that I really, you know, might have been because I slept on a plane and there's something I don't get but they claim this new tensor a1 chip the the sort of h2 analog that they're putting in this is 90 times faster than the speed of sound which is confusing because the speed of sound yeah that doesn't make any sense at all 90 the speed of sound is me is a meters per second it's like 343 meters per second 44 343 meters per second. I remember that from physics. And the speed of a processor is a rate. Yeah. Specifically cycles per second.

So if anyone wants to explain that one to me. I'm assuming it just means that it's It broke physics. Times faster than the number of meters. What? Sorry. No, right. It does a thing in one second that many times faster than the distance that sound would travel ellis i see where you're confused i understand what you're

saying a meter is like a yard in our bro but what is it in cheesecake factory menus six adam thinks they're they're they're converting meters to the to the wavelength which also doesn't make any sense or they're using weight but i think that they're comparing meter like meters to processes the exact line i'm reading 90 processes per meter yeah let me hear it which the exact line i'm reading from nine toGoogle is that each earbud features an 11mm driver and custom designed Tensor A1 chip that processes audio 90 times faster than the speed of sound. What does that mean? I am reading almost an identical sentence on store.google.com. Faster, processes audio faster than the speed of sound.

If you are a Google marketing executive and happen to write this line of copy, what if Gemini wrote this? What if that's why it makes no sense? Maybe. That's possible. I think that they're trying to make the analogy to how AirPods Pro like sample so quickly that when the sound hits you, it can like compress and lower it before it hits your ear. That or they're just being cheeky. They're just being like, you know, it's sound. They're headphones.

We should make some sound stuff. Yeah. My guess is they're just comparing samples per second to meters per second and pretending that you can measure them the same way. Anyway. Yeah. That's basically it for the buds.

I think that's basically it. That's basically it. I'm curious to try them again because, again, we had like two hours total to shoot and try everything so you saw the video go watch it on the main channel that is all of my impressions formulated from the two hours i spent with them yeah many more thoughts will be coming to waveform obviously soon and of course the four reviews should be in the works by the time you're hearing

this so one other random thing one other thing fold is coming out later oh right there's some staggered they didn't even say this to us but there are staggered release dates so it's pixel 9 and pixel 9 pro xl first then pixel 9 pro a little bit later yeah and then pixel fold later again yeah like a couple weeks like september. So that's also a thing. Yeah. It's so funny that Rick opened it with being like, all the software we're going to show you is all here now and not coming later, but the devices. Yeah.

So, I mean, I guess the ones that are coming out right away are most analogous to what they normally have, which is a regular Pixel and a big Pro Pixel. Yeah. So that's... And that's what people generally buy too, the cheapest one or the biggest, best one. Sure. So all out let us know what you think let us know what you would actually use and let us know trivia wow anyway trivia dude anyway okay okay so quick update on the score. You have a board? Yeah, I do. Marquez with 16.

Andrew, in the lead with 17. Carry that one. Wait, what happened? Did you see carry the one was trending on Twitter the other day? It was like, how'd you get this? Yeah, that was all us, Dan. And David with 16. Okay, first question.

At the Made by google event in 2017 there was a hardware device manufactured by a company called gore tech what product was it i remember the name of this company like very deeply drop cam don't know what they made. Google Duo. Chromecast. Oh, still hurts. Too soon. Fitstar Yoga. Fitstar Yoga.

Measure. Damn. Zinc Reader. All right. Flip them and read. What do you got? The original Pixel Buds 1. Correct. flip them and read what do you got the original pixel buds one correct andrew what did you say a tile marquez i wrote to google home nope the original pixel buds one not the true wireless one no the ones the ones with the wire yeah correct

those were they were advertised as the first live translation buds, and they did not do that. Google has been trying to do translation in earbuds as a thing for like seven years in a row. Well, now it can do 90 translations faster than the speed of sound. 90 translations per meter. question number two which of the following is not the name or code name of a real google product again some of these are official names some of these are internal code names a google sycamore like the tree b project bernanke like former chair of the Federal Reserve, Ben Bernanke. C, Project Blueberry, like a blueberry. Or D, Sidewalk Labs.

What do we have? I thought Sidewalk labs was an amazon thing well it's still not a google thing no it's not an amazon thing it's not an amazon thing it is a google thing so now we know it's not maybe amazon partnered with them anyway anyway david i wrote bernanke nope project bernanke's real well marquez also wrote b i wrote blueberry blueberry is fake i made it up andrew back in the lead it feels like having a project related to the federal reserve it doesn't make sense for a monopoly well it's funny that you say that because project bernanke was only made public during all the antitrust stuff because it was illegal.

That's why. They named it after a chairman of the Federal Reserve because it was an illegal process. Look, I have slept on a plane brain. I'm not going to get into exactly what this was. Google, Google, Google, Google Project Bernanke. Gemini Project Bernanke. Maybe illegal isn't the right word.

Maybe more like legally fun. Amazon Sidewalk is a thing, but it's not Sidewalk Labs. Yes, Sidewalk Labs is Google's smart city subsidiary. I don't know if it's still doing stuff. And Google Sycamore is the name of their flagship quantum processor. Subsidiary. What was A again? I do remember Sycamore. i do remember sycamore i do remember sycamore yeah sycamore was the one where they were like this is the craziest quantum computer

ever invented and then ibm was like you're lying yeah and they never got to the bottom of it yeah perfect yeah because i think sooner per child like walked around it and was like look at this and it was like the intro of a of a um io io yeah and they claimed they did this process that would take a normal computer 10 000 years and they did it in in like a few days but then ibm came out and said we did this on a normal computer in two and a half days so get good it was a Chromebook it was a it's a quantum state of whether or not they're lying yeah exactly how many qubits does

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