Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Pixels, Tri-Folds, and Brown iPhones!

Episode Date: August 23, 2024

Happy Friday! Pixel 9 reviews are in and new iPhone rumors are upon us! There's a lot to go over this week as Marques and the crew talk about everything from tri-folding phones to bronze-colored iPhones. Then we talk about weird ways that we watch YouTube videos before wrapping it all up with trivia. Enjoy! Links:  MKBHD Pixel 9 Review: https://bit.ly/3WZV94e 9to5Mac New iPhone Color: https://bit.ly/3MlZo5e Bronze iPhone: https://bit.ly/3MhAnIt Android Authority Tri-Fold: https://bit.ly/3ABj8zq Tri-Fold on Plane: https://bit.ly/3Mo9Ucd Music provided by Epidemic Sound  Shop products mentioned: Pixel 9: https://geni.us/cTw73v Pixel 9 Pro: https://geni.us/HrFniYD Pixel 9 Pro XL: https://geni.us/B26BN Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Socials: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I don't know how to do it. Oh, that's so easy. I don't really know how to do it. Just go like this. Show me live. It kind of looks like Squidward's house. I want to learn how to do this. Oh, I can't believe I'm teaching you this.

This is formative. And then go like this. Marques just drew three vertical lines with three vertical lines below it. He then connected the two outer bottom and the two outer top lines. I do the inside first. Yeah, I've always been an inside first kind of guy.

Is it? That's it? No, it's not. No, it's not. Yeah, you're missing two. Badaboom. You just connect. Oh, they just go inside of itself?

Yeah. Oh. Well, that's what I was trying to do. Yeah, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David.

And this week, we're back with, there's a whole bunch of different phone topics all across the board. Triple folding phones, phone colors, phone rumors, nuclear charging phones, all kinds of weird stuff like that. And we also got some fun YouTube chat as well. It's a good time. But first, we can wrap up Pixel 9 week. The reviews are out. Everyone's

tested the phones now. David, you're using the 9 Pro still. 9 Pro Pink. Rose Quartz. My Watch Later playlist looks crazy right now. There's a bunch, yeah. So we're recording this on Wednesday when the reviews got wrapped up and published by the skin of our teeth too. that video finished rendering like half an hour before the embargo it was great but now it's out and uh we can kind of go over our final thoughts which are

well i really like them i think they're really good phones i think the hardware is finally up to snuff 90 of the way there i say that because if you put it next to an S24 Ultra, you can still see slightly thinner bezels and slightly better material, but I give it 90% of the way there. And the hardware and the software, sorry, is also really good. A lot of interesting AI features. You can take it or leave it. Use some of them if you like them. Just not use the ones you don't care about. So it's a good phone yeah they are more expensive and i think they are justified super bender vibes on the back that's all i could think of watching the entire time just like for yeah i think it's the fact that the the bean is slightly to the left

so it looks like it's like a 45 degree angle i knew ellis would like that did i lose my mic no did i lose my headphones? You better go catch it. Can you hear me? Yeah. That's weird. I hear you. I hear you. Testing, testing.

Wait, do you hear us? Yeah. Okay, wait, now I feel like, now I hear. You hear our microphones? I think I just had a stroke. AMD? Testing, testing. I don't know what happened. You talking about bender i think it looks like

bender at like a 45 degree angle because like the the bean is kind of to the left i i feel like that's a sign of an age divide where like past a certain age you see bender younger than a certain age you see among us i can't call it among Us because we already called the phone Among Us so that's why I feel like it does have it is very Among Us. I can shed some light on some things that I didn't say in the review which are I've been

using the S24 Ultra as my daily phone since like January since it came out. I'm fully now on the black Pixel 9 Pro XL and i've also dropped it already i dropped it from uh counter height onto bathroom tile and i when i dropped it this was before we shot the review i thought i've just shattered this and then i picked it up and nothing was shattered it's uh it does have like two nicks on the aluminum band

and one of them shows up in the video review if you're looking for it it's on the camera bump everything else is fine I'm gonna keep using it without a case sorry mom correct yes it's funny because they said that these phones were more drop resistant than last year by a certain percentage and it's because they're square and it turns out when you square things they become more droppers in it because Apple when they introduced the iPhone 12, they had the shatter shield or whatever they called it. Ceramic shield.

And it's just because they changed the shape. There's less chance that it impacts the screen when the screen doesn't curve into the device at all. That's also true. I think they look so good. I've also been using these for the same amount of time. You've been using the pink one. The pink one, yes.

You mean the rose quartz one. Yeah. One. But for my European friends out there, I need to tell you, I got some people to upgrade to RCS. I got some people to update to iOS 18.0 beta, public beta five.

It's public. It's stable. It's okay. But some people message me like, what's a good time to hang out? And then why the frick is this sending as a green text? What did you do? And I was like,

if you just upgraded to iOS 18 public beta, we could, we could use RCS. And they they said i don't understand anything you just said i'll text you in two weeks it would also still be greens yeah it would still be i know i know i know i know yeah when i got a text from you this morning you were confused i almost just didn't text you back this is something apple does that's kind of lame is because if your phone is off or if your phone's dead your iphone is dead and you text someone it comes through as an sms because they can't reach your phone because your phone is dead and so it'll come through as a green text but that also happens when you switch to android so a lot of people are confused or when

you just your phone number is not active anymore so a lot of people will just be like did you get a new phone or did you like break your phone or did you switch to android and the fact that those are all the same thing yeah it's kind of painful the reason i've never had someone say that to me because i've only ever used an android phone and like no one's used to it okay because i've never heard somebody it's the i've never had that if you are a blue bubble friend to some people this is we're so derailed but if you're the blue bubble friend and you suddenly are a green bubble then they're like that like changes everything for some people when i switch all the time even like new people loyalty i've never had someone say like oh you're a green bubble ever to me yeah i'm too scared. We think it. Damn. Wow.

Damn. Wow. Yeah. Anyway, yeah. Sorry. I think I'm happy to daily drive this phone. I'm about to leave for Australia. So, spoiler, I, whenever I travel internationally, I want to take the most reliable phone with

me, the one that I know will have a good battery life even when it's roaming a lot, the one that I know will probably have as many bands as I could possibly rely on. Google Fi. I'm taking the Pixel. I normally default straight to the Samsung, but I'm going to take the Pixel. It's had really good reception. Apparently, there's a new modem. Things are working well with the Pixel, and I'm going to just trust it.

What would it take for you to go back to the S24? Like how bad of an experience would you have to have in Australia with this phone? Well, the thing about the Pixel is we have to see how it ages. That's usually my last concern, which is like, it's great now, but in six months, will it still be great? Will things still be smooth? Will bugs not pop up? Will Android 15 show up and suddenly things are way different? I'm hoping it's still great, but that's, you know, something to keep an eye on. Other than that, I don't think...

I don't think anything is gonna do it. Yeah. It's just the... Yeah. The processing on the camera is still a little much. It's true. Yeah. The S24 Ultra has a better... Maybe that's my hot take. Has a better overall camera system than the Pixel that is hot. What do you mean overall?

Video too? It's more saturated. Images are a little bit more natural. It has better zoom, like 10x. You could argue better is subjective, but like it has a further telephoto, so you can do better far zoom. More natural looking video.

It's just a slightly more natural looking camera, which is crazy to say about Samsung. With the 50 megapixel mode, when you take a bunch of like rapid pictures the refining like picture bar that pops up like loading while it's processing it takes a while like it was going on the samsung yeah like because i took a bunch of pictures last week and then i put my phone away no there's a 12 50 and 200 weird and on the 50 megapixel i hadn't even tried the 200 one but i took a bunch of pictures put my phone away pulled it back out a couple minutes later to like use my phone and it had been like four or five minutes and it shows like elapsed time and it was like

time refining picture four minutes and it i was like oh my god yeah yeah the things i miss um on this is like there are no apps currently on Android that there's some new apps coming out on iOS recently that have been doing basically no processing on photos. There's not called zero cam that's been getting bigger. And then how I'd released an update that also does like zero processing. So that looks awesome. Looks like a digicam basically or just like a regular camera. And there's no version of that for Android, which kind of bums me out. but the lightroom mobile app can shoot raw so you can at least do that does open cam do open camera uses like google's camera it does yeah because i know there's an hdr toggle on in

open cam but i guess they're still computing yeah yeah hdr is still computational yeah photography yeah you can turn it off though in open cam hdr yeah and notably with the when i was using the books palma uh hd hdr switch did nothing of course there's no stabilization at all yeah yeah also i think on samsung phones doing pro raw or expert raw one of them something like that doesn't use the uh the after processing the hdr processing interesting i forget which one it is yeah yeah google added a bunch of stuff where they were like we added the hdr in the middle of the pipeline now so it doesn't happen at the end and you can't get rid of it and i'm like guys please why guys i don't want everything to be a mid-tone i just don't well it is the most people think that

means better did you like the pictures coming out of the pixel 9 though um i think the i liked the 5x optical telephoto photos i think they were pretty good i got a little picture of a little snake he's cute that one's in the review that's a good photo yeah it's a good shot all right let's let's wrap this up with most overrated and most underrated Pixel features now that we've actually used them. Okay. I'm going underrated is the new fingerprint reader. Yeah. It's great.

It's like that was one of the things that made the old Pixels feel worse, slower, lower quality. It took a beat to just unlock the phone. Every time you unlock the phone, that time adds up.rasonic one love that underrated definitely um overrated for me maybe uh the zoom enhance feature didn't it didn't really do anything for me yeah watch the video and like it just looked like nothing happened i mean i did some pixel peeping i did a bunch of other examples it what it's doing is it's kind of using a generative ai to add some texture and try to add some structure to shapes that may or may not actually be what they are so if you have like smooth glass windows it'll add like some some texture to it yeah it ends up looking kind of like an ai generated watercolor yeah the way i see it it's like if the photo is already decent it basically just turns up the sharpening or clarity

right so it's not really worth it and then if it's not decent and you actually need it to do something it just ai generates an area and looks like dolly like a dolly one generation yeah it's not it's detail out of thin air it's not very good so i get what they were thinking they were doing here and they have the models on the phone i just didn't really work they've been yeah wasn't it like uh was it pixel two or three that was like uh we're gonna use the image stabilization for zoomed in photos and then that's going to then take multiple photos and stitch those together and make zooming and so good do they just announce a zoom in like every year and it fails every single year because super res zoom was a thing on the pixel 3 i think yeah um yeah it seems like

they do that it's zooming the hardest thing to do on a smartphone camera that is that what we're learning it's been how many years now and we're still just not taking any good optics that's just yeah it's just physics but they've made software fix a lot of things and this seems to be something they have not fixed i think the difference is like previously they would just use machine learning to like guess pixels but now they're using generative ai to like generate based on a database of like stuff so it's i think it's worse now personally that's weird yeah yeah yeah that's like i mean it's like the samsung moon photo with everything zoomed in instead pretty much i mean in the actual presentation when he was like when he had created something the hot air

balloon he was going for the second one he went past was like a melon like a melting nectarine in the sky yeah yeah okay so that's your overrated feature yep okay underrated i'm gonna say call notes overrated underrated oh underrated because every year prior to this with new pixels there would always be some crazy google only could do this kind of feature that you didn't even think of that was just actually useful like the uh now playing where you would just it just shows you mute the music that's playing just ambiently on your phone there's still super useful no one's copied that i know it's good i it's wild i'm i do wonder if they like copyrighted it somehow or something or it's part of core android or something like that um i guess not because it's not on other phones anyway generally every year there's just like a lot of stuff like that and

because of all this generative ai stuff they've really pivoted a lot of the innovations to just be like google pixel studio generate photos that nobody wants um so anyway having something like call notes where it's literally just it's transcribing your call for you and then using a little bit of generative ai sure to give you a summary of the call i think that's useful you know i think it's useful i don't think i would ever have the courage to press that button on there is a moment literally anybody you gotta ask yeah yeah you have to ask and then it has to ask for you again pretty much and i just would be way too embarrassed to probably yeah i mean i'd be like is it okay if

i record this it's gonna make a sound i would be like yeah is it is it okay to record this it's also gonna make a really cringy robot question or whatever like after this i'm sorry and then they would be like laughing and really confused on when to start and i'd be like i'm i just hang up the phone yeah never mind well i was on the phone for like an hour the other day uh talking to someone for the special episode we have coming up next week and afterwards i was like that would have been really useful to use and i didn't think of using it that's the difference is i haven't been on the phone for an hour in years but if you are the type of person who's on an hour-long phone call that you need to remember it's pretty good for you okay yeah overrated does that mean that people think it's good and i don't

agree or does that count well i would just say something that you think doesn't work as well as the hype suggested it would yeah or isn't as useful as maybe it could have as google says it is or as people say it either one that's the difference either one whoever you feel like calling out i mean i i have to say the screenshots i have i'm sorry i want andrew i want you to defend this well it's already my underrated okay because i like i like your your take on it i just don't agree i think i i wanted to argue it sorry like no not semi interrupting well when marquez was doing the a-roll i was script supervising and you put it in meh but you did a really good job at saying based on how i'm using things i was like okay yeah that's fine i think there and i don't disagree

with you guys i think there's a lot of people who are never going to touch that app yeah but i think there's some people who are going to find it genuinely useful and it's going to be awesome i mean if you think about when we did the recall stuff remember how a useful and it's going to be awesome for i mean if you think about to when we did the recall stuff remember how a lot of it despite it being really creepy was like wow this could come in handy at some point how about this how about this is that but you get to do it how about the overrated part of it is that it's an app agree just a feature built into google photos agreed good i do think there is a little more they would have to add to Google Photos because I do think that like pinning it

into different categories and having those and everything. And it does seem like the way they showed the search and how fast it was is just a little different than how the search in Google Photos is. Do I think this is going to be killed and thrown in Google Photos again? Duh, it's Google.

So I feel like we're on the same page but one of us is more optimistic and one's more pessimistic about it i think all of us agree that the app is exactly the same thing we all expect it to be yeah i think my my oversight version of it is everything that they built into it is in some way built into someone's photo app other than the remind me feature the reminders you can remind yourself of a screenshot which based on maybe some context in the screenshot or whatever time you want fine but that other feature of like it oh you took a screenshot of a web page or a youtube video and it just like does you want to revisit that web page samsung's gallery already does that the collections feature is just albums like it's basically a photos app but just for screenshots i think that's what's con it's basically you're right it basically is its own album already but

in google photos you can't search per album can you um so if you just wanted to look up using their example say you were looking up bikes and you screenshotted a bunch of bikes and then you wanted to search bikes. If you do that in Google Photos right now, would you get things from your screenshot? You would definitely get things from your photos. Yes. But again, this is something they just should add to Google Photos. They should. It feels like it would need to be this whole new step in Google Photos because it would need to be inside the album.

Then in that album, the screenshots page, there would have to be their own albums for all the other things. And then searching in that would have to be exclusive to just all of those. Yeah, I see what you're saying. So I think this is just their easy way of doing it. This is also just a great way to showcase a useful AI feature.

Correct. It's just crazy to make an entire app just for that. I think it's easy to do it. They're lazy, maybe. I don't know. I don't want to call anyone over that lazy lazy because it seems cool i just feel like i would have respected them more if they were like and we made google photos better by allowing you to do this it's kind of like when they uh at io one of the only useful gemini ai features that they talked about was now in google photos you can say show me kira's swim progress and it will show you multiple different times when your kid

was swimming and how they got better like that's that's a useful thing and they're just like and now you can do this in google photos as opposed to like please use this technology i think it it should be in google photos i definitely do not disagree with that sorry is that i feel like you're underrated or you're overrated my underrated one into one yeah did you get everything out that's like it's both overrated i mean unless it is unless okay if you have perfectly rated it's rated it's rated it's right come by if do you have any things that you think make it underrated that are like unique that you would use it for i think i would use it

for all the reasons they said and i think it will be something that nobody ever opens or someone finds like extreme use with like i don't know i take a lot of screenshots maybe because i'm lazy and i don't feel like writing it down and putting links on things so if i could just you know screenshot and then the second i take the screenshot it has a little like add to album or create new album on that and that adds it inside there i think i would use that all the time interest i had a yeah i had a moment i think yesterday where i was re-watching my footage of this and i just like instantly was like google's gonna kill this yeah google's going to kill us and the reason i thought that is because they've had many to do or note-taking like projects in

the past, and this kind of feels like it falls in line with those, in that it can't do everything, but it does some things pretty well. Like Google Keep also floats around. Don't remind them about that. It floats around in this area where I want to use Google Keep for everything, but it doesn't do some basic stuff, so I can't use it for everything. Screenshots would be awesome, but it's only screenshots screenshots and i feel like the things that it's good at i want to like screenshot

an invitation or whatever like a wedding registry and then now it like knows oh it'll remind you on a certain day when to think about something that's cool i also want to be able to take a photo of a sign of an event and i also want to be able to take a photo of my hotel room or where i parked and stuff like that but since it's not a screenshot it doesn't go in the screenshots app unless I take a screenshot of my photo so it's like yeah the fact that it doesn't do everything already to me it would be yeah agreed and they'll never that's something they should add but they probably won't because they called it the screenshots app yeah which feels dumb. Yeah, which is just screenshots. There's already a screenshots folder in Google Photos.

It's redundant now. Yeah. So there are definitely people who take a lot of screenshots and need that information and organize their life with a bunch of that type of stuff, and that's great. There are people. There's people who do that. There are people.

They might be in a room with us right now. Yeah. So those people may really like this. I would prefer if it just like recognized contextual information and asked you if you wanted to do stuff with that. Like if you took the photo of the, or a screenshot of that wedding invitation or whatever,

and it's like, do you want to add this to your calendar? Yep. That would be so great. They could do that super easily. My theory that I gave in the review is I think that there is slightly more detailed processing happening of every single thing that goes into the screenshots app than normally goes into Google Photos. And I think that's actually true because when you first set up the phone, it has to take a moment, connect it to Wi-Fi, and process all of your screenshots. It takes a minute.

So it's doing, I think, a little bit more work than it normally would in the google photos app and so it's able to parse out little tiny bits of text or even little things that you might not get from google photos index so that's my theory for you you said you had to open up the app press a button and then it does a bunch of processing only on the first time when you first time you load the app yeah yeah i think it has to like contextually process all of the screenshots and understand what they are and tag them and stuff yeah what's your overrated i don't know if i really have an overrated i didn't get to play with it as much as you guys did funny enough if i probably had to pick an overrated thing i would pick your underrated just because i would never i would be

too scared to use it. I think it, I think it is probably the best feature that they have that I would just never use, which is, yeah, we're just basically the opposite on that. Yeah. I mean, to me at least it just seems like something that's there in case you need

it. Agreed. Yeah. You may not use it for months, but then one day you're like, I need to call someone and I need them to give me instructions over the phone on how to change my tire or whatever i'm just going to try to use this feature once and maybe it works can you use it on like voicemails can it summary it's literally like in the phone app as you're on a call it shows up in the middle and it's like do

you want to use this feature by the way they also have this feature called like audio emojis, which they added like last year. It's weird. And they have like the party one and like a smiley face. And if you hit the party one, it just really loudly goes like. That was a fantastic impression.

That was really good. But it's just, it's really shocking and it's way louder than you're both talking to each other. And it's just like, and it comes out both sides. Like jump scare who you're on the phone with. It's like a soundboard for your phone. It's a soundboard for your phone calls. Yeah.

It's super weird. It's like how in Google Meet, if you like, oh no, this is actually not in Google Meet. It's just built into Apple computers. Well, if you're on an Apple computer and you give a thumbs up, then it just adds another bigger thumbs up. That's an Apple thing, not a Zoom thing? That's Google Meet, right?

No, that's Apple. I thought an Apple, if you did that, it would do the fireworks. Oh, Slack does that. There's a lot. Too many video things. It's doing what? But everyone's enhancing our gestures with emoji versions of it of itself yeah i haven't overrated do it the pink

yeah yeah i said it yeah but which pink there's two pink ones yeah there's two pinks so the roars the rose quartz that david's holding here is the pro phone it's a more faded pink it's a little more neutral and the rails correct, correct me if I'm wrong, even less pink, right? Yeah, they are pink though. A little bit pink. Then there's the... Peony. Peony. Peony is the name

of the other non-pro phone. I think it's Peony. Peony. Really? Yeah, there's a whole thing in the comment section of like... I've been saying Peony my whole life.

People were correct. So in a bunch of YouTube videos, there's a bunch of tech reviewers who have never said that word before. And we're all seeing this as the name of the phone and going peony and of course like you know one out of every hundred people in the comments is like what's wrong with you it's obviously peony so i think i'm saying that right but that's the non-pro phone it's much more pink it's hotter you might like that one more is it warmer though because my

problem with this one is that it's a cool pink. Like it's more bluish hue. I'd say it's warmer, yeah. It's warmer? Okay. Yeah. Warmer is nice. It's just hot pink.

Peony. Peony? Yeah. Like the flower. I said that right. Yeah. That's a flower? I was wrong.

Yeah. Yeah, it's a flower. It's like a lavender. Like a lavender is a color and a flower, you know? And a spice. Well, the herb is the flower. Yeah. I'm highly allergic, so I don't know these things.

That's a great place to wrap this up. I think we... Oh, did you have a segue? Yeah, we've got another... Speaking of warm bones... Yeah, speaking of... Oh, Andrew. That is not what I mean.

That's the color. What do you mean? Okay, go ahead. Go on. Let him cook. I did not even add the poop part in there. Hold on. We're cutting this. We're cutting this. I just meant that is a warmer brown.

That is a warmer brown. I'd say it's in the warm spectrum. Yeah, it's like in the sand. If you turn sand saturation okay for those that don't know what i'm talking about oh sorry yeah the we're not cutting any of this the rumored special color for the iphone 16 pro is brown but it's a certain shade of bronze they're really gonna have to name this one it's probably just gonna be called bronze but didn't they have a bronze phone? Mystic bronze!

That was the Samsung phone. Oh, that was Samsung. That was the Galaxy S... Galaxy Note 20 Ultra. It looks good in the lineup of phones. The iPhone? I think this looks worse in the lineup of phones. No, okay, here's what's happening.

There's a render floating around of this new color. There's also a photo. Oh, I haven't seen that it's bad the render floating around has like the old wallpaper and then they've also color matched all of the icons on the home screen and it looks leathery

it's bad I don't like it it's a bad color there's a rough color and it's replacing blue titanium. That's so sad. Well, allegedly. Oh, yeah, allegedly. Sorry. Allegedly button.

Allegedly. But that's on this leak photo that 9to5Mac has of the lineup of them. And there's no blue. And instead there's this greenish brown rusty pipe color phone. This was Mystic Bronze on the samsung galaxy note 20 ultra that's more pink so yeah so the mystic part was warming it up or making it more pink than regular brown mystic helped yeah i i don't mind that i think you can get away with using bronze there but like when you we just had the olympics like when you picture bronze you kind of you have a

certain darker darker like color in your head this doesn't look bronze at all to me if your medal at the olympics was this color you're so sad i don't know it's a rumor it's what people think maybe in color if you drop this phone in a swimming pool everyone's good now that's a great way i think yep yeah yep it's it'll be waterproof though so you can go get it all right andrew you want to this episode of the way for poop cast yeah this is we hit our poop quota for the rest of the year i think in this one um okay you want to pivot yeah i have zero segue for this one though but um just previously i'm gonna make this really fast because the last time i talked about keyboards was really boring. And this is about that same thing. Okay, yeah.

Give me one minute. Give me one minute. It wasn't as boring as when Marques and Miles were talking about cars. I was just like, David's brain was melting. Okay, 90 seconds. How's that sound? Yeah, let's go. All right.

Set a timer for 90 seconds. Go. So a few episodes ago, we talked about something called snap tap which was this new hall effect keyboard software system that razor introduced that made certain movements in games like counter-strike really easy um valve just banned that from in their counter-strike game so you will not be allowed to use it funny and i'm glad they caught this quick because a bunch of keyboards were very clearly going to start to add this example asus created one and announced it the day after they banned it fun um and then that kind of sucks it's still useful in some other games but

counter-strike is the most useful and now you can't even use it so all the people who learned how to do it you're still going to be better yeah correct yeah how did they know i think they're going to know because like the exact perfect timing between overriding the two but what if you're perfect yeah what if it was good what if you're a god on the keyboard you're not smash players i think i saw uh uh even by something with like the pro players and how often they hit a perfect counter strike and it was still only like 80 or something like that so if you're doing it all the time i guess if it's 100 of the time yeah you you you can't not be 100 of the time pretty much with this feature gotcha even questions 15 seconds to spare let's go like and subscribe to the waveform podcast

um cool that's it's kind of well as a last note to that it is kind of crazy that they're they're banning it when like all of the keyboard manufacturers are just pivoting to making those keyboards now they're gonna have it and i wouldn't be surprised if like first of all it'll still be helpful in overwatch or valor and it's just not quite as game breaking and i think the reason counter-strike is gonna do is because it just has this super long history of people spending over a decade perfecting it and now having something new where a lot of newer games either not having it be as like useful in there or just like it's new and now everyone will have that advantage from the start yeah it's not as big of a deal interesting that's my so valve probably felt like we have to ban this because it's such a big deal in our games,

but other people can make their own choices. Yeah, and they've done things in the past where software did something specifically like that, and they have banned that, so I guess precedent is sort of there. And are they only banning it in pro matches? I think it's, no, no, it's just banned in the game. They even said, like,

if this is something on your keyboard or if you buy one of these, you have to be sure you turn it off. Dang. That'll be interesting if people get don't know or like turn it on in the settings and don't really know or get banned. Dang. All right. Well, that's a good place to take a break.

We have a lot more gadgets and fun stuff like that to talk about. But before we get to that stuff, we should do trivia. we get to that stuff, we should do trivia. Remember how right before we started taping, I played that song to test the lights and we just did it. Lights don't work anymore. Just one

of those days. Did we clap? Yes. But today's trivia question. Is there like a gas leak in here today extra loopy today's trivia question in 2009 twitter unveiled its verification program after being sued by a three-time champion of what sport 2009 2009 because someone pretended to be them because someone pretended to be them. Because someone pretended to be them. On Twitter.

On Twitter in 2009. And they sued Twitter. And Twitter created verification. Champion of an event? Of a sport. I didn't want to ask you the guy because there's so many guys. But what sport was he a three-time champion in? We're talking about like champion, champion.

Not like high school champion. No, we're talking about champion, champion, not high school champion. No, we're talking about champion, champion. Champion of the sport. Keyboard warrior. I'll give you a hint. It is a sport where the champions are referred to as the world champions, despite the fact that this championship

was only United States sports teams. So Noah Lyles doesn't count it as a world champion? No. Wish I knew anything about sports. That beef is so funny. I love that beef so much. It's really funny. Is it rare?

Are they going to race? They're going to race, right? Maybe. We'll keep an eye. If they do, we'll update people on the podcast. Just let them know. And we'll let David know during this ad break we're about to take. We'll explain this to David over the ad break.

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Love it. Okay, so the article, the news is that Huawei's CEO is walking around and getting photographed with this phone that no one's ever seen before. And when you zoom in on it, it looks like it's a three-layered stack as in a triple folding phone. Tri-fold. Tri-fold. We love it. Huawei's not making a tri-fold right now. Maybe they will. This is the equivalent of like Sundar Pichai walking around with like an unreleased Pixel.

Like you're the CEO. You know people are going to photograph you. This is basically an ad. I don't know where to start with my thoughts on this. Remember when the iPhone X slipped out of Tim Cook's pocket during the interview he was giving? Yeah. It's like you're Tim Cook. Everyone's taking pictures of everything you do. Everyone like zooms in on the bulge in your pocket anyway

and thinks maybe that's a phone that's not released based on the square of the camera. It's like, good job, Huawei CEO. Now we're talking about Huawei phones. You think this is straight up him? You think he did it on purpose? 100%. There's another shot of him on a plane with it fully unfolded.

So he's on a plane just next to other people. Just like holding it am i the only one that's kind of surprised that he doesn't have his own private jet for everything well how else do you get these photos out yeah yeah we wouldn't be talking about music he was on a private jet yeah yeah no there's no trifold yet i my other take on this though is wait what you know what's really funny about this the like paparazzi photos of him using the huawei phone have the huawei mate x5x image oh watermark yeah that's dream's plan at first it's such a plan dude i found the huawei ceo and i happen to know what he looks and they And they're like, look at the zoom. You can crop in like crazy and the quality is so good.

Amazing. This quality is terrible, by the way. I know. But anyway, my other take is that a triple folding phone is epic. Not a good idea. You guys are crazy. Because I just don't see a way

that you can fold it twice and not have one side be roof of Lee exposed the elements and also how do you hold a triple folding like which ways does it fold is it folding how is it so it goes screen on top because the second fold it flips around like this it has to be an s yes okay so there's a bunch of ways you can see the back so it's not on the back the screen is not on the back the screens are on the back cause you got cameras on the back how does this work that's what I'm saying

now it's oh no no it's just that it has a screen on one side has two screens what? you mean the mid wait what no this has a screen on the front so you use it regular in like candy bar mode right and then that opens and has a screen under it and then there's another screen

okay so then the middle inside screen is just i think there's a 10 inches this is too much i think this makes the most sense because like this is actually the folding tablet that you're looking for like 10 inches is a full-blown tablet that really wonky accordion one so that would be a good reason for it to exist over a regular because right now we have our dual screen our folding screen let's say pixel fold type devices or Galaxy Z fold type devices where the screen on the outside is normal ish phone size and then the screen on the inside is small tablet sized. So there's a world where you could argue

that a triple folding phone can give you a full-size tablet in your pocket. Imagine the Nexus 10 in your pocket. The Nexus 10 had these nice bezels to hold. Giant bezels. That was kind of nice, actually. I don't know. I want to give it some time to develop and

breathe and be a real product because just based on these photos all we really get to do is talk about huawei and what they might be doing it looks wonky how he's holding it like it doesn't look like it's folding out flat when he's got it open and that would be a huge bummer but if they could pull it off how expensive would this be yep wait so let's imagine one screen phones are nine hundred dollars the seventeen hundred dollars for most folding phones so we just add another twenty five twenty five to three thousand or only like 17 hinges away from crumple phone can i a lot of hinges i just say my favorite part of this one of the top replies to this was casually testing a device with no distinct disguising case i just want to know what disguising case this person thinks a tri-folding phone could be in a box it's just a shadow box that he like yeah sticks his head into to use the whole thing. He's like the CEO of Ford driving around in an unreleased car.

You wanted us to talk about this, didn't you? Yeah. Didn't you? No disguise. Didn't you? Or it's not a phone they're ever going to put out, and the CEO is just like, I want this. I'm the CEO. That's awesome.

Cook it up for me. I don't know this CEO very well, but there are CEOs like that. I would 100% do that. Just be like, I want this one-of-one. Yeah, like no one else wants this iPhone mini, but make me the iPhone mini. I think they're gonna put it out. Guys, all I have to do is become the CEO of Apple and I can get a new one.

I think Huawei is going even harder on making their phones more unique considering they're not sold anywhere else in the US anymore, or not even in the the world are they even sold in europe anymore i believe they're sold in europe are they okay because they they were for a bit i think maybe honor is there now but i'm not sure about huawei anymore but either way i think that they're going they're trying to go even harder to just be like, see what you guys are missing? We got innovation and technology. Yeah, I do miss the Huawei P series phones.

Those phones are awesome. They basically invented like low light photography on smartphones. Yeah. The P30 Pro. That thing was crazy. It was freaking crazy. I remember playing with that in a bar in San Francisco

with you. Oh my God. Oh my God, it was insane. Yeah, it's saw in the dark for sure. It's crazy. I remember playing with that in a bar in San Francisco with you. Oh my god. It was insane. Yeah, it's on the dark for sure. It's crazy. Speaking of what people are missing. Wait, it seems based on this Reddit post

in r slash Huawei that all Huawei phones will be pulled off of at least the UK network by 2027. And the UK is all of Europe. I'm going to keep reading about this. Famously.

At Andrew Manganielli. And at Ellis Roven if you have the answer to if you can use Huawei devices in Europe. I think you probably can. I'm sure you can use it somewhat. Speaking of phone information and crazy technology that may or may not

ever come to the rest of us so that's pretty one right real me Oh showed off I was getting I went I made a I zigged when you zagged but let's go there that's what the trifold phone does one six and one sex oh my god okay yeah let's talk about real me okay this is a this not a real phone, but this is a thing that they successfully demoed. Realme demoed 320 watt fast charging in a smartphone. Do people understand that the MacBook Pro 16 inch maxes out at 140 watts, which is like really fast you really need context for this the context is this is my favorite genre of content is trying to contextualize extreme things the iphone charges at like 20 something watts right that's like a like it's like an average charging phone it's kind of below average at this point we've got some 30 ish wattage phones. The Pixel this year charges at 37 watts for the Pro XL. Great.

But some of the fastest charging phones we've seen here on this side of the Atlantic charge at like 60 watts. Yeah. Which are really convenient. There was a OnePlus phone that charged at 80 watts. It was amazing. Was it not a 120? Overseas, it was doing more wattage because they had different outlets and whatever. They had a different brick forverseas, it was doing more wattage because they had different outlets and whatever. They had a different brick for it. But it was like 80 watts in the US. I think that's the fastest charging phone I've ever used in the US, I believe it is.

There was a SuperVOOC 125 watt with the regular US adapter. Really? Looks like. Of course, when I go to it, the page is no longer available. Did you know that Peregrine Falcons can apparently travel up to 240 miles per hour?

In a free fall dive? Boy, do I know a lot about that. I feel like that is the equivalent of this. If that's surprising to you. They're in New York on skyscrapers. They're going to attack me. You can see them all the time. And you won't even see it coming.

Yeah. So, like I said, 80 watt charging phone is like extremely quick. You plug it in for three minutes and you get like 15, 20% battery out of it. It's like amazing. It's very convenient. I love seeing that feature. If you're at the airport and your flight is literally starting to board and your phone's almost dead, you can plug it in for like four minutes as the flight boards unplug and have like a flight's worth of battery.

It's just the convenient moments like that. This phone, Realme had plugged in at zero percent and by four sorry four minutes four minutes and 30 seconds it was full yeah okay wait also the photos so when you first said that i thought of the was it the rog phone or the lvo Legion that had two? The Legion. Yeah, so it would charge both batteries at the same time. And I was like, it's one cord that's doing this. It's one cable. It's one brick.

It is, I mean, we don't have a bunch of details about temperatures or anything else like that, but it's a 4,400 milliamp hour battery that again goes from 1% to 100% in four minutes and a half. Four minutes and 22 seconds. There are laws. This phone broke. I think this phone

has to damage the battery. There's just no way. That's a one time use feature. I'd like to be able to use this phone again after. I don't know. This isn't necessarily coming to a real phone. Realme is obviously pushing the limits on their regular phones with like 100, 150 watt charging, and that's amazing. But this is just a crazy demo that they showed.

What was the car that only has 100 launches? This is that. Yeah, this only has 100. Yeah, 100 charges. Or 240 watt. No, 320. It can only do that 100 times before the battery is completely toast would you take that as a feature no you could do this 100 times what about 100 take that what was the other one that only fast charged a certain number of times in a day it was it was

the lexus the lexus you can only fast charge twice in one day. Oh, 24 hours. Twice in 24 hours. Which is even worse. So I don't know if you saw, so the autofocus, we did a review of the Lexus something, something 450E. It has a 240-ish mile range, generously, which is already not great. And if you decide to go road trip, that means you're going to have to charge a few times, but it will only fast charge twice from zero to 80 in 24 hours and then it

will lock fast charging and only slow charge until that timer is up which is insane there's a lot of driving yeah but like i drove to ohio straight shot and i had to charge my car like three and a half times yeah it's it's road trip type because 80 is not the full 240 miles it's like 200 miles oh yeah true so if you really 600 miles yeah maybe you go further i'm just saying i'm not saying there's no other cars with that limit it's tough this uh would you take a phone i'm trying to i'm trying to find the balancing point would you take a phone that could do this zero to 104 minutes that could do this 0 to 104 minutes but only does it

365 times and then from there it will it'll charge extremely slowly extremely slowly 2 watts 365 is different

than 2 watts we have to give it give it at least you have to hand crank it the rest of the time you gotta shake it use the kinetic energy yeah you have to hand crank it the rest of the time. You gotta shake it and use the kinetic energy. Yeah, you have to bike a mile to charge your phone.

300 somethings? If it only had 100, that would be tough because it would be like, I would either save them and then never use them. Yeah, you'd use them once in a while. Or I would use it once and then I would just keep using it and destroy all 100 of it. You'd keep it in your backpack where you're like, if I'm on the go and I know I need a quick charge, I'll use one of my limited crazy charges. This is the exact same psychology reason that companies offer free trials.

Because once you use something and it's better than the normal thing, you're like, well, I don't really want to go back. That's how I feel with wireless charging. Yeah. I can't go away from wireless charging. That's exactly what happened to me. I never used to use it. And I was like, it's way faster to just charge your phone. And then now I have wireless charging yeah yeah i can't go away from wireless that's exactly what happened to me i never used to use it and i was like it's way faster to just charge your phone and then now i have wireless charging pads everywhere and i'm like why would i do that ever again yeah

would i ever need a cable in my life this ultimate four minutes is still though like if you can still sit down yeah i don't know how about this this? It goes from 0% to 26% in one minute. That's amazing. That's absurd. I'm sure if you plug it in for like three seconds, it's already at 3%. It's like you go in slow motion and it's hovering. It's not even in and you see the charging icon come on and it starts like, I'm ready. Yeah. It's like the low stance mode when you're about to take off on a car that you can get it ready.

That's the thing. If the phone's dead, it can't precondition the battery for charging. It just goes. I don't know. That seems dangerous. Whatever. Okay. Anyway.

You want some perspective before we move on? Yes, please. The Peregrine Falcon. The Peregrine Falcon. Your studio monitors on your desk that are running in single digit efficiency are only using about 120 watts each. So both of them still not even getting to the same wattage. You're talking about the speakers? The Yamaha HS8s, yes.

So both of those. And then even crazier, the 2017 iMac Pro, which has a 5K display, built-in hot graphics card. Intel power-hungry processor. That thing is running at 370 watts. Wow. So you can compare... At CPU max. Yeah, at CPU max.

So you can compare this little tiny phone to an all-in-one professional computer. When are we going to charge phones in kilowatts? We're only a couple years away from a kilowatt charging phone. And then even less years from Global Warfare. Nuking our pockets. Yeah. Oh, man. All right.

Well, I have no good transition to this other topic, but I do think it's an interesting one. Yeah. Procreate. Okay. Let's just start with what happened, and then I'll just get my reaction so procreate if you've ever heard of procreate we've shown it in various ipad videos before it's an app on the app store that is an illustration app so if you're making art pieces if you're

editing art pieces it's it's really good with the apple pencil you can sketch things you can adjust things with different brushes. That's what Procreate is. It's an art app. Also, something that Elon Musk really wants you to do. Also true. Inside joke. Not even inside.

That's just a well-played. Thanks. Anyway, so Procreate has existed for a while now on the iPad. It has a really dedicated fan base of users, and they've been kind of quiet on a lot of ai stuff but they've got a lot of questions about it so eventually uh a couple days ago their ceo came out and doesn't really do this often but made a video and it's like a 60 second video and all he does is express how much he hates generative ai he goes you guys have been asking us about ai and i just hate generative ai and we will not be adding this to

any of our products, blah, blah, blah, procreatives about empowering our users, end scene. And I had so many thoughts to this, but mainly there's two reactions. One, which is most of the first 24 hours is hell yeah, way to go. This is the way it should be artists with pencils and no ai tools this adobe crap we don't love where the industry is going like we want procreate to stay ai free and i saw a ton of those reactions for the first 24 hours but then 24 hours later i chimed in because on the other hand it is kind of an interesting announcement it's an announcement to never add something to your product which is fine but. But as we all know, we're in the early days of generative AI, and there's a lot of things that are becoming more useful. And lots of companies are, for sure, way too far shoving this into their customers' faces. potentially someday what if there are things that other competitive apps add that people want to see in your app they've committed now to never adding that and i do think that's fascinating thoughts

i have some thoughts especially as someone who who owns and uses procreate okay i think um there's something to be said about procreate is easily like a top five iPad app. Like it's so easy to use and it's one of those things. Apple themselves loves to demo it for various new things. When the Apple Pencil has new features, they're like, try this out in Procreate. But I don't think it's that great for technical art. I think it's great for sketching and for workshopping and for putting things down and not sketching like to belittle anything. People make beautiful things.

But if you're an architect or a designer and you need to make something that has specs that you can easily edit and procreate. That's a different app. And that's the stuff that I see people genuinely needing AI features in. Obviously, like every app is like, we're adding an AI. But the apps that I really see, like actual professionals being like, I want these tools are people that are doing technical things. And so I'm not sure Procreate's core audience needs it i have a question for you there though yeah is that ai generative ai or is it just advanced machine

learning which we've been doing for like 20 years well i'm talking about generative ai i'm talking about natural language processing to results on the page which even if it's editing something, it's there. It's still generative AI. Yeah. Well, there are some features like in Photoshop that are generative in nature, meaning if you want to do content aware fill

or the equivalent, I don't know if they call it something else now. They call it generative film. Generative film now? Yeah, they were just talking about this yesterday. Like they're really good,

genuine uses for that all the time. And we see that on our phones, but that's just one feature that will never be in procreate and whether or not procreate users ever would use something like that i am not as confident in but it seems like the ceo is very confident that they will never need stuff like that i think it's important that he said and i don't know what he's talking about here because he didn't explain it you said it was a short video he said he very specifically said generative AI. And I think an app that you said,

I've never used this. I've seen Brandon use it and still some, but it is drawing based and generally like you're not photo editing or photo manipulating in it. So it sounds like he's just not adding AI that would add something into it because you are supposed to be the one doing it. I wouldn't be surprised if there are AI features at some point that would add something into it because you are supposed to be the one doing it. I wouldn't be surprised if there are AI features

at some point that would just help make some of those things easier. Especially, I was just gonna say, there's an animating feature in it, right? Where you can draw things and help animate it. Yep, but that's not generative. That's not generative, but there could be AI app. Procreate Dreams.

So Procreate Dreams is their dedicated animation app, but in Procreate, there's a pretty in-depth animation editor in it too. So I could see AI things adding into this that aren't generative that could still help, but it's not creating something in a creative... He specifically said our products are built with the idea that humans are creating something. So I think the fact that he said we're not adding generative ai not that we're not adding ai means there's potential for some ai in there just not yeah just not like hey i'm in sorry i'm interrupting you like 30 times like where he's you're not just going like here

i drew one tree now draw everything else for me like that's not going to be added there but i could see some other things that would be small helpful quality of life ai adjustments yeah maybe like an i don't know what else see me fall out of the chair sorry we need to generate some yeah i need to generate any uh i think maybe like if you could natural language process brushes maybe that could be like kind of cool and procreate i feel like all the ai animation tools that i've used use sort of like the latent space frame interpolation uh like models to get stuff i feel like it's just machine learning sure i feel like i also feel like it doesn't work very well branded like i don't know anyone that does it and that was one of the latest and this is just my i don't use procreate much but they would they would apple would go hey check

out this new uh this new rotational sensitivity for the apple pencil and they do that by animating like a swirl on procreate and you could see it animate based on how fast you twirled your pencil so like yeah i that's a that doesn't need generative ai to work so I assume that's fine so the corollary that I see here is like in the calculator the math notes calculator thing right part of what it does is that it will like make up numbers that look like they were made

in your handwriting when it shows answers that's generative that's not generative well the drawing the characters on the page it's not generative that's not generative I asked them at the event i was like yeah they were like because because it's creating those things and it's when you draw your hand you use your handwriting and draw numbers and stuff it sort of like curves the stuff so that it's more natural looking and it's not that and they're like yep we're not using any generative ai for this this is has nothing to do

with like apple intelligence it's literally just the same machine learning we've been doing forever and that's that's the thing that i feel like a lot of people most of these companies are rebranding a lot of machine learning things as generative ai when they're just not like the other day on apple tv it was like recommended shows and then in quotes it said ai beta and i was like your recommendations engines like maybe you added some form of transformer model to your recommendation engine but like they're just slapping it on there for the for the ai the money just to have it there my other thing is that his stance on this i think is a general moral stance on the fact that to in order

to do generative ai stuff that's actually generative you have to have a data model you have to have a set that is trained on people's work yeah that is 98 of the time stolen material especially like images and art like this exactly they're 100 not consenting to all of that stuff being used in these right and so i think that he's basically saying like as an art company us stealing art in order to like make these features work just kind of goes against our morals yeah no art company would ever do that allegedly unless they're monopoly allegedly hey that was for research purposes allison alleged research they were never supposed to use that in the application oh sorry the intern got a hold of he didn't understand oh my god our intern accidentally

scraped a billion youtube videos sorry i give you the ability to scrape Marques Brownlee. We're not salty. Yeah, no, that checks out. And also that's true because there was a statement in that video specifically, like he says, we don't really like the way the industry is going. I feel like this video was like very scripted. And I feel like that that line basically meant like, look at all these other AI apps and what they have to do to add their generative AI features. And that is what is implied in all that use. And there's also just a ton of other apps that are like not quite procreate competitors,

but you've seen like the replace the sky, like photo editor, iPad app, like there's a thousand of those and they all have to, they have to be trained on something. And I feel like that's a part of this equation that a lot of people don't see on the surface, but that is probably what he's talking about.

Or Google, which is just like, whatever you want, man. What is a photo? people don't see on the surface, but that is probably what he's talking about. Or Google, which is just like, whatever you want, man. What is a photo? I don't know. I think they're replacing the sky thing as more photo editing manipulation versus like drawing, sketching, which Procreate is.

That's why I think this works so perfectly for Procreate because you're kind of supposed to start blank canvas and make things. And there's also like the Pixel Studio app where you're just like, you do start blank canvas, but you're just like, give me a scene on the beach with a purple sky and it just makes it for you because you don't draw at all on the pixel right yeah so it that's that's generative and

that's just kind of it's the same output as i had to draw the whole thing myself but it's very much more a different process yeah yeah i don't know so we'll see well i my my take on twitter was we'll see how long this commitment lasts it seems like a strong commitment because it's the ceo coming out literally cursing in the video saying i bleeping hate generative ai so it seems like a strong commitment to me but i'm curious how long the commitment to not add features of a certain genre will last i'm very fascinated by this one as long as his morals hold up yeah that's my take on it i guess like the industry could change on how they do or like take if they can find a moral way to have a data set yeah maybe someday like apple did with uh genmoji i don't think they'll ever add generative stuff but i think they will

add ai things this is coming from someone who's never even used the damn app i have no say in this i was gonna say this is definitely like like you said marquez like this is it's great marketing it one is great marketing two it's completely disregarding any future updates that happen with ai so generative generative ai so for example if you're animating something you have to draw it frame by frame you know like a guy jumping you know you you draw every little movement if you could just draw the first one and the last one and then have it generate the whole but they already have that with machine learning yeah they have that too but that yet with generative ai but what if they had a feature in the future that did that like we don't have that

now we have it already as something else but there are those like useful things that procreate ads and these animation apps add that if they did have one like that that's generative ai i'm sure artists would flock to it yeah that's the other thing about like artists and which apps they choose to use procreate nailed it with their core audience and their core users which is oh yeah we don't we don't want this generative ai stuff anyway that's why everyone loves the announcement and the people around it love the announcement but in the future potential of like do we want to grow or are we comfortable with our current core how do we want to evolve in the future they could miss out on like people who might have used procreate but flock to a different app because a certain feature becomes super useful

and turns out there's a moral way to do it, et cetera, et cetera, someday in the future. That we just don't know. You know, maybe it's okay if companies miss out on some things every once in a while. Totally fine. That's a fair point. I would like more companies to miss out on things.

They've got a core audience and they're just going to keep doing what's best for that core audience and that's fine. I think Eric Schmidt would disagree with you. I don't know who that is. One of the co-founders of Google. Oh, yeah.

He gave a talk at Stanford recently where he was basically like, you know what I would do if I was trying to start a company right now? I would generative AI copy TikTok exactly. 100%. He said that out loud? Yes. He would say, I copy everything about it. I would copy the content. I would copy whatever. And I would put it on the

App Store. And if it wasn't successful in three minutes, I'd do it again and put another one up there. Because if you steal and it doesn't blow up, it doesn't matter. But if you get successful, you can just pay lawyers to clean up the mess. He literally said this to a bunch of Stanford students. And then it

got reported on by a ton of people and then he like forced Stanford to take down the video. I was like, oh, I didn't really mean that. You said that! You said that! If that's all true. He only wanted to say it to the Stanford students. I'm 100% serious. That's like the

tech, the Silicon Valley equivalent of like, ain't no laws when you're drinking claws. It's just like, it's just like it's just like it's just like i don't care i don't care about anything literally this is a former episode of a previous episode move fast and break terms of service yeah yeah yeah yeah it's crazy man cool one more thing before trivia i have it small in here did you guys see this the circle to search song identification button? I did not see this. I would love you to explain. How do you circle a song?

So circle to search, you bring up the UI, you hold down the home button and you get where you can circle and you also get the little search bar and there's one other button, I forget what it is. Now there's also going to be a microphone button. So if you highlight something on the screen, it'll listen to the audio that's playing on there and could tell you what song dude couldn't just do that

based on like reading your audio output already no this is different what do you mean i don't like why do you have to circle it maybe you don't have to circle it but you're in that ui menu and so like if you're playing a youtube video that's not just the song and says the name and title on it which is the example i saw you use but like like if you're using like people are always saying what's the intro track to this mkbhd video okay you could start the video open circle to search the ui press the microphone and listen to this okay yeah and then i'll pull this google now on tap just won't freaking die. They come back over and over again. Yeah, it's the new version.

It can still hum songs and listen just in general, but it also can now listen to your on-device audio. Cool. I thought that was pretty sweet. I miss Google Now on tap. Apparently, it's coming out on some devices already. Is it on a microphone? I don't know. There was somebody on a samsung phone

posted they said it's he said it's in the circle to search like yeah option that one right there no no that's what it looks like oh the music thing oh is that what's no sorry not a microphone a music note i see it's next to the. Yeah, this is literally Google now on tab. Yeah. This is bringing it back. I like it. Me too. All right.

Well, we do have a little more to get to, which means we should take a quick break. But before we do, our second trivia question, please. If you're watching the video, just enjoy that close zoom up on Ellis's face as the lights again did not go off. I'm furious. Sorry, bro. How do you fix the lights?

All right. So before Microsoft owned it, who bought Skype in 2005 for $2.6 billion? Billy with a B. Someone bought it. Microsoft bought it from somebody else? Yes. When did they buy it? 2005.

So Microsoft's the one who's screwed up. Oh, you mean when did the first company buy it? No, no, that's it. I just want to know who owned it during the pandemic and absolutely fumbled that ball and let zoom take over microsoft but they had teams yeah that was the horse they chose we saw how that went uh okay enterprise baby we'll think about that one we'll think about that one. We'll think about that one. We'll be right back. Okay.

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and if any of you guys consumed YouTube weirdly. While doing this? Like not normally. Specifically YouTube or like any video? I guess we could say, we could just say any form of content, media content online, something that- Consume it in a weird way in a weird way okay

i'll give you my example and maybe this will make more sense because i think i'm pitching this weird yeah i've found myself a lot of channels that i'm super familiar with since i don't have time to just watch them that much anymore i will just turn my screen off and listen to them in the car but it could be something that is extremely not. There are disc golf channels now I watch who play full rounds of disc golf that I listen to in the car. Because I've just learned to know these people so well. Like there's this channel called Badanza Disc Golf.

And he plays like kind of the same courses pretty often. And he speaks the same way. And I can just, I'm like, I still want to know what discs he's throwing and how they threw and what he's thinking about doing that so i'll listen to whole videos in the car like an audiobook my hour commute is when i have the most time to like consume content it's true it makes sense for things like uh more like small documentary ones there's also a runescape channel I listen to all the time.

And they just explain things well enough that I'll just listen to them instead. Interesting. That works with some channels, certain channels. ASMR channels. I've definitely done, I've definitely been, I've definitely listened to YouTube videos in the car. That I've definitely done.

What kind? Philip DeFranco videos are good. I've done that. I haven't in a while. It's like a podcast. It's a podcast. Similar enough. There's not a ton of visuals I need.

I'm just getting mostly news. John Oliver I do all the time. John Oliver's good too. It's better with video. All these things are better with videos, but I don't have time to sit down and watch all of the things I want to consume. You know why?

Baby. David, you want to consume. You know why? Baby. David, you want to go? Oh. You know how you could get your time back? By watching everything at 2x speed. Oh, no. Pretty much. So I don't listen to podcasts at 2x speed unless they're really boring.

And then I listen to them at 3x speed. Which I will tell you, i did have to condition my brain to be able to get used to but now i've done it wait there's no real 3x speed right oh yeah there is wait oh and podcast apps okay pocket cast up offers up to 5x what kind of cycle 5x wait yeah what's a podcast you listen to in 2x i don't say 3x i don't listen those are boring well i don't want oh wait sorry no yeah no i don't i don't want you to call out the boring one yeah the boring one okay imagine that podcast you listen at 3x speed when's the last time you listened to it at normal speed uh when i first started listening to it do you think you could

accurately pick their voice out of like a lineup now that you're their normal voice the pitch is maintained on pocket casts i feel like yeah pocket also has a skip silence feature yeah so if there is a podcast where there's not a lot of overlapping voices and there's a lot of dead air in between sentences, it will just trim silence. So definitely not ours. It would trim the end of all of my sentences. If you're listening to like, I don't think that that's a feature you should use. That's terrible. I use that one. Really?

Really? There's so much emotion in the silence. This is true for certain types of podcasts. I listen to a news podcast. Alright, shout out to Isaac Saul. I listen to listen to tangled the podcast pretty regularly it's a I made it sort of a yeah yeah Andrew put me on to it I don't need the dramatic there's also not that many dramatic pauses it's mostly news so I can just get rid of the silence

that's fine but if this was like reply all or like a story time yeah yeah you probably want to keep radio famously podcast just enough to save five minutes every time five minutes out of what a lot out of 25 i don't know 20 percent of isaac's newer to but he's newer to podcasting he's working on does it just sound like and then there's this and then there's this and now i'm talking about this and then there's this idea and also the words are the same speed there's just no pause in between them so it kind of sounds like this where i'm just talking constantly but there's not a whole lot of gap between the words and then i come in really instantly and then it goes right back to that hurts my brain man yeah it's good

this is information well this is the opposite of the like the tiktok meme of a gen z intern editing the like bosses video for work where they only edit in the pauses in between all of their words well i fully believe that youtube videos when you watch at 2x speed you will not it doesn't really feel like it's faster it just feel it just it just feels like a video and then you finish it twice as quick and then you can absorb even more information as someone whose daily effort and energy goes into making YouTube videos sound good, f*** you. It still sounds good at 2x speed. It absolutely does not.

No, it doesn't. It really doesn't. I've tried. I think you've gotten used to 2x, which is why you feel this way. But as someone who has not, every time I try 2x, like when I hold down on YouTube,

that's when it fast forwards. And I think that's 2x. Yeah, every time I hear you guys speak, it just sounds like you're at 0.5. That's what it's done to your brain. It took me like six hours to do the audio for that pixel intro. If someone

sped through that, oh my god. I will admit, I have Slack default set to 2x. The videos that play on Slack. So when I watched your... When I watched the intro for the pixel... They're like four second watched your when i watched the intro for the pixel four second clips well you know when i watched the intro for pixel i was like that that's kind of weird and then i was like oh so then i set it back to 1x and then i watched it

so if it's important if the vibe and the timing i was just gonna say that because we are the only ones here i think that watch at 2x speed everything shout out to my homies and i do switch back to i watch everything at 2x speed or sports highlights yeah 2x speed everything how anxious are you guys how i'm really anxious it's very anxious so i have anxiety issues but if it's an important thing like you're saying i will just like i'm always mindful of it so i just go back and switch it to one X. And I'm like, if I'm listening to a podcast that I know they're doing like sound design, I go to one X. I'm imagining you read books. Like, are you just reading a book like tearing your hair out?

I read really slowly, but audio books to X speed, baby. That's crazy. That's a big difference. I'm imagining forgetting to turn it off and just looking up a minor home repair on my phone and then just being anxious everything's going to explode. What's funny too is because

my YouTube is just default set to 2x, I sometimes watch music videos or listen to music on YouTube and I'm like, I gotta switch this back. Music sucks these days. It applies every time. It's crazy. I'm so used to 2x speed now and then friend of the pod David Pierce I've been listening to like Verge cast and he's always so quick with his like replies and I'm like oh man this guy's like on it and then I switched

back to 1x speed and there's so long of a pause between his answers something feels like we're all talking faster talking about it right now so someone listening to this at 2x their speakers would probably explode it's a lot yeah yeah so marquez what's a weird way you watch youtube well i don't do any i don't do yeah everything's 1x for me for sure um wow i don't know i mean, most of my consumption is on mobile devices. That's totally normal, probably. Totally normal. I have YouTube premium, so I haven't watched an ad on YouTube in years. That's probably, that's technically not usual because it's like 20%.

Technically. But yeah, no, I'm in it for the love of the game. I watch everything 1X speed. I watch ads, mid-roll ads. Like integrations? You watch the mid-roll ads? Yeah, it's part of the game i watch everything 1x speed oh i i watch ads mid-roll ads like integration you watch the mid-roll ads yeah it's part of the video that's a joke no i don't i skip those there were some comments that would have been the weird there were some comments on the last podcast they were like yeah i watched the whole mid-roll just so you guys get more and i was like i mean that's dope dude i thank you but love you yeah that's some wild you got a strong mental fortitude i appreciate that that attention span you flexing

on us yeah yeah i don't think i have anything crazy i bet ellis has something in the i got one thing okay which is it's kind of similar to you andrew i watch a lot of stuff with the screen off just taking it in but nascar of which i am a pretty big fan where has um most races that have ever happened on youtube like oh yeah they're really cool about it so if you go back to like 80s and 90s nascar races back when it's like still like mostly in the deep south like a much smaller sport, it's one of the most relaxing things to fall asleep to. Just like three, especially because... So it turns into a land show afterwards.

Yeah, right. But it's just like an announcer with a thick Georgia accent just being like, today's race is going to be... And then what's even great, even better, is that there's no commercial. It's the TV broadcast that's up better is that they there's no commercial. Like it's it's the TV broadcast. That's up. But there's no commercials in the TV broadcast.

But they don't cut out the part of the race where the commercials would have been, because in theory, then you'd be like missing six or seven laps. It's silent. It's not silent. It's just the sound of the cars. It's just the mics on the thing so you get like like six or seven minutes of smooth southern accent then like two or three minutes of just ambient cars and birds and then a little more talking and oh man that's nice it's so nice i like that yeah i might be the only person that falls asleep to naturally aspirated v8s but no... No, you're not. Miles, definitely. Yeah, you're like, you know what I'm talking about.

I just, I remembered as you're saying that, I, whenever I have a good internet connection, I automatically go to the quality selector and select the highest possible quality I can without it buffering. And then I pause and I wait like three or four seconds for it to get a little ahead of me, and then I hit play.

I do the same thing. Do you remember when you used to be able to do that for the whole video? Like, if you I hit play. I do the same thing. Do you remember when you used to be able to do that for the whole video? If you wanted it, it would buffer the whole video. Yeah, it doesn't buffer the whole video anymore. I miss it. Yeah, YouTube's too smart now. It's annoying.

Did you guys, when, because this is a long time ago when they let you, like I remember letting the whole video buffer on like the OG YouTube app with the TV. Did you guys know based on your home internet connection what chunk of the video had to be buffered in order to make it all the way through oh yeah you get a good sense that is like yeah creme de la creme i am old yeah yeah kids these days don't know about that progress bar on youtube adam do you have one just 2x speed 2x speed I think one that I've been doing

recently also is picture in picture. So I've been like having the YouTube video minimized in the corner while I like do other things. Yeah, it's actually pretty great. Can't lie. Speaking of that, you know what sucks? Google Messages had a picture in picture function where if someone texted you

a YouTube video, you would click on it and automatically picture and picture in the corner and they just got rid of it and i'm like why would you get rid of this i'm assuming they're they just don't think people are using it but the problem with a lot of android apps and it's a little bit of a rant is that when you click a link from google messages whether it's like a web link and it opens chrome or it's a youtube link and it opens youtube it'll like it'll bring you to that environment as if it's a full app right and then you oh you close you like go back to your home and then you go to open messages and it's like

it just opens chrome yeah and you have to hit back a billion times until it finally brings up messages that's an Android thing, right? Yes, it is. And it's very frustrating. Yeah, I have found that annoying. It doesn't just open up the separate app. It opens up like an instance of the app within messages that... Like an in-app browser.

It's awful. Yeah. It's better than... But it's not an in-app browser. It's like the full experience, but it just says that it's Google Messages, but it's not. I think it's better. It's frustrating. It's still better than the iPhone says that it's google messages but it's not i think it's better it's still better than the iphone equivalent where like it's like hey this is better in the native app and

then you like hit the open app button and then it goes to the app store either yeah the app store and then it'll be like open this app because you already have it and then you hit that and then it opens to the blank screen like and you're just like well this was yeah every time you get a reddit link on an iphone you click the reddit it's like it opens the in-app browser and it's like this is better than the app you're like okay and then just opens the app store and then you click open on the reddit app in the app store and then it just opens reddit but not to the reddit link and it's impossible to access a reddit link it's such a shame that no one makes third-party Reddit apps. Yeah. That would be great.

That would be so nice. Open APIs. Maybe they should federate. I don't know. I also hate, and this feels like a really easy thing to do, but the Google search bar widget is its own app rather than just Chrome. Oh, my God. And so, like, I'll do full internet browsing sessions that started from a search in that,

and then, like, do a couple other things, and later I'll just be like, where did all of that go? browsing sessions that started from a search in that and then like do a couple other things and later i'll just be like where did all of that go it's why does it not just throw it in a tab in chrome when it's done you have to know to do like open like hit the little menu thing and like opening chrome oh yeah you got every it's so frustrating that happens on on ios too so yeah because you have to it'll have an in-app browser in a lot of cases like if you're on the reddit app or something and you open you hit a link it'll open an in-app browser then you have to hit hamburger menu open in browser and then it opens up to keep things it's frustrating

bad don't do that well you know we should do answer the trivia questions i was gonna say trivia and i look it worked it worked it worked this time we're back you were gonna hit it it's like i go trivia but you didn't hit it and i just ended up sounding like a cat in 2009 oh oh thank you Twitter unveiled its verification program. It did this because it was sued by a three-time champion of what sport? Movies. Movie sport. Quidditch.

Actor. Quidditch. Mathematics. Are we just naming sciences and arts now instead of dead Google products? actor quit it mathematics I don't know I was thinking the guy that did the Nikon commercials that used to ask Ashton Kutcher remember when Ashton Kutcher and it was at CNN were racing for the beat to be the first Twitter account to hit a million follow yeah it was like I think it was Ashton Kutcher and it was at CNN were racing for the to be the first Twitter account to hit a million followers oh yeah it was like I think it was Ashton Kutcher and CNN which is really funny yeah what you guys ancient days of twit I forgot about that too all right let's do a little reading

I wrote basketball oh I wrote baseball. That is correct. Dang, boy. I also wrote basketball. The answer. I wrote b-ball. I was right. When I saw you writing b-ball, I was like, I don't know. A picture of a basketball. Should have never drawn the basketball.

The person in question is longtime manager of the St. Louis Cardinals, Tony La Russa, which if you Google a picture of Tony La Russa, he is the man who least looks like he even knows what Twitter is. This guy is like the epitome of like old dudes smoking cigarettes at a baseball diamond. He was probably told by his grandkids that he was being impersonated. And then he was like, I'm going to sue them. If I remember correctly, it's not just that someone was on Twitter with the name Tony La Russa pretending to be him.

But they were also saying really bad things about the team that he was a coach of. Jeez. Quick update on the score. Marquez with 16. I'm falling behind. Andrew with 19. Jesus, man. David with 17.

Did you give me that point? Yeah, for everyone that yelled at me last week, I didn't forget to give it to him. I forgot to add it to the video. So he has the point. But it just didn't update in the graphic. Anyway. I need this one bad. Second question. Before Microsoft owned it,

who bought Skype in 2005 for $2.6 billion? Billy? Billy with a B. 2005? In 2005. Where did Microsoft buy this from? That's a lot of money. Billy? Billy with a B. 2005? In 2005. Where did Microsoft buy this from? That's a lot of money. That is a lot of money, especially in 2005.

Who had 2 billion? I gotta go with that. I don't know. Flip him and read. What do you guys got i wrote aol which is nope yeah probably not or yahoo i almost wrote salesforce no no good guess can you give us a hint that this doesn't count for points i just you know what i that this doesn't count for points? You know what? I'll still let it count for points. Screw it. Here's the hint. Just whoever says it first?

No. Rewrite it. Rewriting it? No, we're rewriting it. Rewriting it. Here's the hint. You can buy things on it. Also, they sold it once,

or they sold 65% of it before Microsoft bought it. they were not the person that sold it directly to microsoft you can buy things on it timu i feel like my answer makes no sense skype andrew i i'm getting good vibes from you i flip it oh i wrote ebay that's correct let's go i also wrote ebay that is also correct that means ebay owns skype and paypal and then oh my gosh remember when they owned paypal so get this get this what'd you write that's crazy amazon they made pay oh no no elon made paper well not made it but like they made it oh yeah true that's every

elon like made tesla no he didn't no he didn't like made it made it oh true such a good point I'm losing now by a lot that's okay good job guys you're only down by two from David you're down by four from Andrew that's like that's like a multi-possession

yeah that's a lot that's a lot it's like the clock is ending you gotta start fouling bro I know I need a hack of that the next time I'm writing I'm like

hold the whiteboard down as it's answering. Colin Step Curry. Well, assuming there's no free throws, I'll be losing for a little bit. Anyway, thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Thanks for subscribing, of course. And thanks for rating us wherever you guys listen to podcasts. I know we try to make this as good for audio listeners as possible, so we appreciate your

feedback there as well. Try. I just got a notification that pocket cast added ratings and i don't know if that's old or not because i you know have been using android now for like 10 days pocket cast the last time i was using android well i have pocket cast on iphone but i don't recall seeing ratings so if that is in fact new then feel free to give us a rating over there if that's your pocket player of choice which a lot of people do listen to us on podcasts anyway catch you guys next week see you later have fun with your dishes i won't be here If that's your pocket player of choice, which a lot of people do listen to us on podcasts. Anyway, catch you guys next week.

See you later. Have fun with your dishes. I won't be here. Oh yeah. Oh, it's going to be the Andrew and David show. Two weeks. We're getting drunk.

I should mention, I guess I'll just mention before the chaos. The world championships for ultimate frisbee that I told you guys about a couple of chaos ends, the World Championships for Ultimate Frisbee that I told you guys about a couple weeks ago, a couple months ago, that is coming up in the next two weeks. So I will be in Australia. I will be listening to Waveform,

not participating. It's a totally different time zone. I could participate if I wanted to. No pressure. I'll just fall further behind in trivia points and wish me luck. Okay. Good luck on becoming a real world champion.

Thanks. Yeah, that's the plan anyway. Someone. Good luck on becoming a real world champion. Thanks. Yeah. That's the plan. Someone's going to send you a screenshot of like Andrew and I like the Elon photo of him smoking

at the general experience. What have they done? Anyway. All right. See you guys later. Bye. Waveform is produced

by Adam Alina and Ellis Rofan. We're partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network and our intro outro music was created by Vain Silky.

Bingo. Bad. No. Don't do that social media really made people forget that their inside thoughts should just no no he said that live oh it was a press he said it on nbc yeah now they're all tweeting at each other yeah