Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Productivity Apps and Apple Invites!

Episode Date: August 30, 2024

While Marques is on the other side of the world competing in the World Ultimate Championships, Andrew and David talk about the latest iPhone rumors and discuss what they're expecting from the September iPhone event. Or at least, that's how this episode starts before we surprise Andrew by bringing back David Pierce for an update on how Andrew's productivity app journey has been going! After that, it's gadget time and we talk about the new Garmin Fenix 8 and a pair of truly open-back headphones before we wrap it all up with trivia. Enjoy! Links:  Protocol Wars Bonus Episode: https://youtu.be/-R9CWq5CBlk Apple Insider iPhone 16 Rumors: https://bit.ly/3X6UApv David Pierce on Threads: https://bit.ly/47eghIT Derrick Gee TikTok: https://bit.ly/4cKv1QL NWM Headphones: https://bit.ly/3Tb8SUV Music provided by Epidemic Sound  Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Socials: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Yeah, we're the same person. You can, we, yeah. Everything about us is the same. Marques is, there he is he came back um he's in australia for uh ultimate frisbee world championship he's playing on the mixed team for usa you're out there the gold coast of australia don't know where that is um but enjoy it out there i know there's a lot of dangerous animals so be careful marquez i told him to fight a kangaroo he said he he would. That's terrifying. Yeah.

That's a lot. He would most likely lose. Yeah, he would definitely lose. Kangaloos. I don't know. How old is a kangaroo? Is it a Joey? Yeah, is it a Joey or is it a... It's a Kevin.

All right. In today's episode, we have Apple event predictions, new Garmin releases, a new pair of headphones with the best transparency mode ever, possibly, and a bunch of other small hits. I kind of think we just jump into Apple event predictions

because they have consumed our week so far, mostly because it's on September 9th, which is a Monday, which, f*** you. Come on, Monday? This sucks. All right, from what I i heard it was supposed to be tuesday like it is every single year but there is a presidential debate now on september 10th tuesday and apparently apple moved it now if you have been in this community for way too long like we have this is really funny because in around 2018 apple Apple or OnePlus was supposed to have a huge launch event for like the OnePlus 6 or the 6T or something.

And they had set it for some time in October and they set it months ahead of time. I thought it was in like March. I don't know. I think it was October. It was months ahead of time. And then Apple randomly decided to announce their event two weeks before and OnePlus was like, whoops.

Well, cause it was on the same day. Yes, exactly. The same day. Soplus moved their event to like a month later which had already been invited sent out for like a while people booked their flights yeah and they had to be like well we cannot do this on the same right so now this apple event is monday september 9th so it's consumed our week because we've been managing hotel bookings and flights yeah because we were like we're like we're finally going to get ahead of this we're going to book all our flights and hotels early we're going to get this done we have up for trying to be proactive we have a pretty good idea it's usually the second tuesday in september we got this yeah it wasn't yeah it

was really funny because there was a rumor that went out that said it was going to be september 10th and then marquez put in slack i'm feeling like a genius i blame that post it wasn't the debate that changed it yeah that post that changed right it was they couldn't be accurate to the leak so they had to move it funny enough i saw people speculating if marquez was going to be able to cover the apple event because he's in australia which also made all of this much more annoying is he is flying into san francisco to go to the event from his tournament in australia yeah now that is a much tighter timetable yeah but he marquez is not gonna miss this event no no shot i think he's showing up the morning of the event

i don't even know he's not really i think he is he is crazy i know he's parachuting out of the 17 hour difference or something and he's yeah it's it's a mess anyway uh let's get into the actual predictions uh the event invites went out this week and the tagline this year was it's glow time clearly a it's showtime plan words i don't know how i didn't get that but thank you clearly um and then there's an animation that shows it basically turning into siri new siri new siri so clearly apple is going to be highlighting the new version of siri and apple intelligence at this event which is funny because it's not going to actually launch on the iphones right do we think this is going to change anything we all assume it's not going to be launching

i don't think so i think it's coming out at 8 and 18.1 which is scheduled for october okay yeah so this are with this also like this clearly means they're going to spend so much of the event talking about this oh yeah is 2024 going to be the year of like the really boring smartphone events because they all just feel like like this is just gonna feel like dub dub where the pixel one just felt like io yeah they were io jr and dub dub jr that's what we're seeing this year weenie hat jr it's so boring yeah which is such a shame too because the new pixel hardware was incredible and just completely overshadowed by all this stuff i don't think that an iphone hardware is gonna be much different this year minus the brown color yeah we can go over some of the rumors yeah let's do it so the pros are

supposed to have bigger screens again which is crazy and we have very big yeah very very big screens and also there's apparently going to be a dedicated shutter button for the camera oh on the 16 pros okay yeah cool that's interesting yeah wait so the but what about the volume rocker what about the volume rocker that already takes the show no i think it'll be it'll be on the bottom right side because when you turn your phone sideways to take a photo your natural resting position uh i yeah would find that super interesting. First question, the action button, the remappable one, did you have the opportunity to map that to a shutter? You can make it open the camera,

and I think when the camera is open, you can use that as a shutter button. It is in the less ideal spot in the left because when you're crunching your finger up like that, you have a better shot of your other fingers blocking the camera lens right there, so the right side does make more sense. I don't know why I feel like it would be so weird seeing an iPhonehone with that extra button on it i mean it's gonna be it is but i think that they're on this weird campaign then they have been for

years where they just want you to see your iphone as a replacement for a professional camera every apple event for the last like three to four years has been like you could replace your entire cinema setup for this use final cut camera with five ipads and five iphones and attach a hard drive to it with like thunderbolt and use cinematic mode and bokeh and all this and right do we think it'll be the same button as the action button like the same shape i think i'm also i don't know might be circular if i had a thread mount and you could use a long exposure, that would be cool. It would be sick. It would be sick.

Yeah. Are there any changes to the – weren't there some rumors that, like, the camera was going to look different? Is that on the regular iPhones? That's on the regular ones. That's going to be the, like, similar to like the iphone to and yeah to enable it to do spatial video in horizontal mode okay yeah because currently they're they're uh diagonal and for spatial video you have to have the parallax so they have to be right on top of each other but what's interesting about it is the bump itself also is smaller according to these rumors the leaks are

we looking at the same yeah some of the leaks are showing it i don't know if they're leaks or renders that are just rumors but showing it a little more like the iphone 10 yeah yes i think it looks really good it does i think it looks good i think it looks good i do we think that's actually going to happen i think so yeah yeah because they tend to release new software stuff with the hardware in the pro models and then the next year bring it to the cheaper model okay and so spatial video i think there were some actually one of the highlights this year yeah yeah i just think like the two so diagonally in the square camera bump looked fine yeah but stacked in the bump like it was on the 11, I think, looked bad because there's just so much extra like square bump for no reason.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think this looks way sleeker and nicer. Yeah. Yeah. Besides that, it's kind of just the bigger screens on the pros. We might get a, I think that they're supposed to be a higher resolution. One of the other cameras is higher resolution now. Cool.

You know. How much bigger is the screen? Oh, let me see. Is this going to be like significantly bigger or is this going to be like we made the bezels one millimeter smaller

and like no one really can tell the difference? It says the 16 Pro Max will be 6.9 inches where last year it was 6.7. Oh. Which is significant. That is a significant difference. Yeah, that is significant that is a significant yeah that's

pretty huge okay so that's the rumor anyway big boy yeah so that's it for the phones generally and i think that they feel like they can do that this year because apple intelligence is going to take up so much of the keynote but there are some other big things coming out like for example this is the 10th version of the apple watch. So whether or not they go with Series X yet again, or if they just do Series 10, I'm not really sure. But it is supposed to be slightly redesigned with, it's going to be a thinner watch, apparently, and have bigger displays, even bigger. And the Apple Watch SE is apparently going to be made out of plastic, And the Apple Watch SE is apparently going to be made out of plastic, which I find ironic considering every company is like, we're reducing all plastic in our entire supply chain except

the actual device. I guess if it's recycled, maybe that, but I don't know the inner workings of plastics that well. Maybe that's an easier way for them to recycle it and be cheaper and be able to fit more into it my guess is also that a lot of these companies are moving towards trying to capture the kids market like fitbit just really stay for kids band and there's all this like i think that a lot of these companies see that as a potential like market opportunity which is weird but here we go uh so i think that they basically see it as like oh well if we have a plastic smartwatch parents won't think oh my kid's gonna destroy this really nice piece of

hardware which is funny because the top of it is still all glass or are you saying that that will be plastic no i think the body okay that's just the rumor that's just the rumor yeah so they're still gonna destroy it most likely yeah most likely um but yeah we don't really know anything else about the actual apple watch series 10 so i think seeing that in in real life is going to be really interesting it will be if you had to bet on it being apple watch series x x you think so i think so 10 but with the x or just 10 well isn't that what the 10 yeah no but let's just call it x but people are gonna get mad they wasn't called the x it was the 10 yeah i like x better they'll probably say 10 but use an x cool yeah i'm going straight x they're gonna say x on the stage series x.com um also there are apparently going to be new airpods but unfortunately not the airpods we were hoping for uh the rumor is

there are going to be two new models that are low and mid-tier models they look more like the pros but just have worse hardware internally okay the mid-tier will finally get anc for the first time that has been a thing that has been reserved for the pros in the past interesting and when you say looks more like the pros are we talking silicon tips in the yeah short stems okay silicon tips i know there's a lot will there still be a model without that i know there's a lot of people who really don't like silicon it's a great question understand that i have a feeling they may sell them alongside each other is it going to be like the apple pencil deal where like there's airpods and then there's the airpods that are the same but they're kind of different and then there's airpods pro and then yeah you have to use a dongle to charge straight

lightning into each airpod yeah and i'm assuming the cheapest model will probably not have magsafe and you know that kind of stuff maybe even still charge with lightning maybe they haven't been forced yet so not yet we'll see and no airpods max right yeah this is the craziest thing the airpods max came out so long ago like three years ago i think marquez said in the dyson video four years yeah wow i don't think it was quite four maybe oh oh no i saw you guys whispering. Oh, wait. Oh, sorry. I'm getting a phone call. Oh, do you all know about this and I don't know?

We'll have to come back to this Apple thing. I think I'm getting a phone call. Oh, my gosh. Look who it is. Hi, friends. Hello. We brought David Pierce back so that he can help you get through your feelings about productivity apps that you guys did all those months ago.

All those months ago. People have been dying for you to come back. I have gotten many messages. I have been called, I would say, everything from correct about the world and a saint saving Andrew from himself all the way to you're a monster, leave poor Andrew alone.

He's just doing life like the rest of us. I've gotten the full gamut. David, David, thanks for joining. I know you're about to grill me with productivity apps, but we're going to take a quick ad break first. I know you love ads, David. And then we'll get back and talk about Google Tests. Let's do it.

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There are a lot of people who were like, I know what you mean. There are a lot of people who were like, I'm just like you and this is super helpful. But overall, that video did great. Yeah, it did great. One of our best episodes, I think. Glad to hear it. Yeah. A lot of productivity nerds out there.

There are. It turns out. It makes me very happy. Yeah. These are my people. They are. I am kind of one of your people. Yeah.

What did you end up using? Yeah. Yeah. People when I'm solely on google tasks uh okay i went to it i enjoyed it it was the nice simple stroll in i think i remember talking to marquez early i walked into it i was like cool this isn't doing enough i want to do more and then i think i downloaded tiktik and then didn't like it and then i downloaded todoist and then there's something really strange about adding everything to my calendar,

but I had to buy the pro version in order to get certain notifications and I didn't like that. So I've just been on Google Tasks and I love it. Okay, I have so many questions. Please do. This is good because I was, we left, if I recall,

this was like almost five months to the day that the episode that we did published as we're recording this now. And we left, you were going to try those three apps, but I feel like I left completely unconvinced that you were going to do any of this, that you,

you were like, you were kind of in this headspace of like, whatever my system sort of works. Sure. It's slightly chaotic, but it gets the job done. Please leave me alone and go back to yelling about tick, tick.

So I'm curious, like, I think it was smart that you started with Google tasks. Actually, that was, but it gets the job done please leave me alone and go back to yelling about tick tick so i'm curious like i think it was smart that you started with google tasks actually that was that was very smart because i think if you had started with one of the like more intense ones it might have freaked you out and you would have bailed i agree so i think starting small was was a good call but like what what did you start putting into google tasks like first day first day it was i think i kind of just did like a bunch of test things, things that I like didn't, I knew I would get done, but I kind of did them anyways.

I can't remember exactly what, but lots of, I think there was a lot of like clean the garage, mow the lawn, things that I had to do over the weekend. I remember I told you like my weekends were, at some point I would know I will get these done, but a lot of that is Sunday at five o'clock and after wasting the whole weekend. So done but a lot of that is sunday at five o'clock and after wasting the whole weekend so i did a lot of stuff like that and then a lot of small things at work

here that didn't necessarily need to go into like notion or our calendar but small things i personally wanted to do or like things that i knew i had to get done the fact that it's on the side of gmail great but i don't think we talked about this in that but i've complained about it multiple times the gmail task sidebar doesn't is only in white the background is only white it does not match with the theme of your gmail oh interesting that is nuts to me who would have thought google can't figure out to change a hex code color in the background to match insanity so that really bothers me so what okay now i need to know what your gmail theme is just how how just oh you're a dark mode guy it's weird though because gmail doesn't call it dark mode they just call it theme they're just themes and it's just

black which i think is part of my thing with the gmail themes this is a complete diversion from everything not really it's some emails you get when it's dark and it like it darkens the email and everything looks nice and then other ones you get that are like the the marketing email from llb or whatever and they're still white and they're like blinding against the black background so i just gave up on theming it because some emails are just like screw your theme it's gonna be it's gonna be so bright you go blind that's super so i i admire the dark mode but i i could never do it it's too much well i do my work email in light mode and my personal email in dark mode so to me that's the

differentiator of when i'm at work i know like what i'm doing in work and what i'm doing look at me more organized than i thought i know who would have thought um but now tasks is like a completely integral part of my oh really i would say I have multiple re like, uh, reoccurring apps or tasks. I have like some really stupid ones. Like I fill my wife's cup with ice and water every morning before I leave. Cause she's on summer vacation and taking care of that. So that's like one nice thing to do. Um, I have making disc golf putts every night for practice, but I also have stuff like doing my laundry every weekend and cleaning the car every weekend.

Like things that I never would have done, my laundry would be like, I have zero clothes left. I have to do laundry now. Now, just do it every week. I have a question for both of you guys. So I was not in the episode where you guys got roasted. Well, you were in Japan or something. Yeah, I was in Japan. I was like, oh, David, I'm so excited to see you. well you were you were in japan or something yeah i was i was like oh david i'm so excited to see you and you're like sorry sorry yeah yeah yeah

so i have traditionally um just used google keep for my to-do list stuff recently i started playing around with google tasks it feels a little bit similar. So you said that you put tasks for like washing the car and all that stuff. Do you feel that you need those to be on your phone instead of just doing them? Because my thing has always just been like, I'm just going to get into a habit of doing a thing, but I haven't found productivity apps to actually help me do the thing. They actually just feel like they get in my way. Are you successfully executing all of those habits without fail every single time? That's a no, no, not consistently.

I mean, the one thing I am consistent at and actually, uh, Dan Seifert got me into this habit is making my bed. Okay. Um, and he got me into this habit by saying it on threads not by yeah i need my apartment not by being in my apartment i'm telling you to make my bed like our eighth sleepover in a row dan just had me had me doing it that was it that's all it takes uh but yeah the the making the bed thing life hack to people i'm fully convinced making your bed makes your day so much better because it is the quickest thing that you can possibly do

it's really true it takes like 30 seconds it looks good and it starts you off on this like rolling movement of like i'm gonna do good things for myself today and the worst is being really tired and laying down in your bed where your sheets are all messed up yeah and getting home and having your bed look clean and laying in the bed feels great. So it's a good thing. Yeah. So anyway, back to the tasks besides the bed. I just, yeah, I don't know. I don't feel like there are things that I need to get done in a specific order or a specific day. I usually just have on my Google Keep like these, it's not recurring. They're hanging tasks that I need to get done like to do day of x and then i

just check them off what is different about your guys's productivity apps that allow these to i i feel like you just cut you like opened up a perfect question for me to explain why google tasks work so good so i like this um perfect i think it's like tasks to me feels like the perfect in between of like, it's a little more nagging than Google Keep is where like it gives me some reminders, but it's not this like, why aren't you doing that? Why aren't you doing that? Why aren't you doing that? So for me, I have things that I set, whether that's it's set for a day, like my laundry and clean my car cups up on Saturdays. I have, I have like a septic system that I have to clean once a month. So that's a monthly task or I have daily tasks. Each of those, they come down as a notification once whether, or I'll have something that's like, uh, trash needs to go out 9 PM on Thursday. So that has a time with it. So it's a little more specific that pops up. I can do it right then, or I can swipe it away. The like ones that aren't specifically on times, swipe that away. But then my list starts growing.

And now when I see my list that's grown, then it's a little more like, OK, I put some of these off on the day that I wanted to do it. Got it. Now I'm two days away, and my list is like five or six. Knocking those off feels so good and feels like taking this huge weight off your shoulder. And then seeing that task think of it as like i'm looking at my task app that's clean that's my maid bed of my time right right there okay okay are you an inbox zero person with your email i feel like that's the same

kind of impulse yes my inbox is pretty low key um so it's easy but yeah i'm an inbox zero person i i hate that i am i am every eight. When I get really frustrated with it. But so like, I actually, I think that's, that is a perfect case for a task manager in general, right? Is that like, you want something that annoys you just the right amount. And honestly, like if you're disciplined enough

to like sit down and review your list every day and say, here are the things that I intend to accomplish and make time to go accomplish those things and actually do them without any prompting or help god love you congratulations on all of your accomplishments uh i am not one of those people and so having a thing that i can just like dump it into and i know that a it's all there and b the things that i need to remember at a certain time, it will tell me about at that time. Like the mental load that disappears because of that. I just like that's the thing that I keep putting way too much of my life into these systems trying to do that. It's just like, I don't have to worry about this anymore. Because at some point, I will remember that this exists, because I have just this list that I look at, or it'll yell at me when it needs to.

Hmm. I have a question for you, David. I saw you posting about some new app that you were using recently that I think you got recommended from Casey Newton. Can you tell us? I spend the vast majority of our time together just talking about productivity apps. It's a life.

This is what we've chosen. So the app I started using now is called, it's an app called Capacities and it's very good. And I would say it's less like a to-do list app and more sort of a Notion competitor. It's very much a like place to put all your notes and dump all your stuff and keep everything organized. And I think Notion is a basically perfect piece of software

except it is so slow and it sucks to use and I hate it. And other than that, it's incredible. And the mobile app is like the worst thing ever. Yeah, oh, it's awful. I mean, and one of the funniest things that you see now is like there's this whole, I go on the Notion subreddit every once in a while and the most popular thing is like Notion but faster

is the pitch for like 700 other apps on the internet now. It's so funny. But Capacities is like, other apps on the internet now. It's so funny. But Capacities is like, they have this idea of objects. So you basically, you put different types of things into this app where you're like, I'm reading a book. I put this thing in and it's a book. And then you can sort of organize and manage all that stuff the way that you want to.

And for me, I have this like massive overlapping set of stuff going on usually at work between like stories i'm working on a podcast we're doing and video stuff and meetings and so just having a place i can put all that stuff and keep it in order ends up being like necessary interesting and i just sort of need a system like that so i am perpetually building systems in these new apps trying to find one that works capacities is very good uh It's uglier and a little more complicated than Notion, but oh, it's so fast.

It's so fast and it works offline. And so I have poured my entire life and joy into it. I probably won't use it forever. I'll probably be back on Obsidian or Notion or something else in two weeks. By the time this pod releases, you'll probably be on something different. Honestly, it's a good test. Will this come out before i ditch capacities is a useful test do you

know that meme of like you know the meme that's the chart and it's the guy that's really dumb and then it's the mage and that's the guy that's really dumb and it's like it's the curve curve and it's like apple notes notion everything else apple notes yeah i mean that's correct i'm on one of right i'm on one of those sides i can't say which but i i'm i use the apple notes and the google keep my google keep is one of the most terrifying things you've ever seen i hate it because when i color code my my google keep but just because I want it to have a color, I don't, the color doesn't mean anything. It's just because I was like, I feel like this is crazy.

Do you do that in like Final Cut or Premiere also? Yeah. Nothing makes sense. It's organized chaos. Wait, is this like a synesthesia thing where you just like look at a note and you're like, this note just feels blue to me. I wish it could be. I just make decisions.

You should just say yes to that. Like that's a way better answer than i just give it random colors so yes since these just sound so cool just just lean into it yeah just go for it exactly when it's blue i know that it means i have to do it on thursday at 4 p.m so impressive okay so andrew back to google dash sure i if i remember right one of the things we talked a bunch about was whether the right solution for you was to just pour everything into your calendar all of the all of the tasks all of the like things I need to get done today should I just be uh making them all day events on my calendar so I find them there did you try that why did why does that appeal or not appeal? I don't do that. And I don't like that because already, even without all my stuff in there and in Google

Tasks, my calendar is such a mess. And there's so many things. And I was just talking with Adam about this the other day. It's really annoying how on just Google Calendar, how you can't like, you can display this only in terms of like all the different calendars. So we have like work. I have me different calendars. So we have work. I have me and Claire's shared calendar. I have mine.

But then we also have calendars now for the different rooms and how they're booked inside of the studio on top of vacation days and stuff that I'm keeping track of. So I can click a calendar and display this only. But then if I want to go back, I have to check all the calendars back again. And that is miserable. Yeah, it's very bad. So there's just way too much in my calendar already to do that.

I had my tasks there for a little while and it was too much. And I didn't like it. So that's fair. So for you, a calendar is like a sort of snapshot of the universe rather than like a list of things I have to do today. Yeah. And if you're one of those people, that approach totally doesn't work. That makes total sense.

And I would also say my calendar is probably 90 work related whereas my tasks is way more like personal stuff or even just like the things that i want to do at work but the things that i'm like setting up for myself to do at work that the rest of the team doesn't need to know just that i want to like make sure we're getting done yeah do you see your tasks in your calendar because that's one of the appealing things about google tasks really you just didn't want it at all no i like my task to be its own thing like i said like that's why it's this perfect mix of when even if like i swipe away a notification and i don't do it right away that means the next task that comes up i'm probably gonna look at the my app my like widget for it and be like oh yeah i didn't do that now while i'm doing this let's knock a couple of

them out so that's why it works for me pretty well um other than ones that are like this has to be done at 9 a.m then it's like okay i remember this was specifically this time so i'll do that right now okay how did you set up google tasks are you like a one list for everything kind of guy um so first of all i've never had ever secondary screens i i hate any extra screens i like only app store stuff or folders this is this is one of the things we left the last recording being like we we tried to convince you to put a widget and we're just like there's it's never looking at me wow i have my calendar above it just to like so it's not all of it so i just have daily calendar above it to quick look

at some of the things happening or like who's out or remote for the day. And then under that is my Google tasks list. I use this so much. I pretty much add everything from just this widget. I look at it. This is the thing where, you know, if I've swiped away a task or a task comes up and I come look over here and I'm like, all right, there's six or seven things on here. Now let's knock out three or four of them and feel really good about it. I think the widget here is what's completely changed it. Not only that, I've talked about this at home so much now, literally like a week ago, Claire was like, what's that task app you use?

And I installed it on her phone and she is now on the podcast. I don't think she would love that. But yeah, my wife is now on Google Tasks and she's enjoying on the podcast i don't think she would love that but yeah my wife is now on google tasks and she's enjoying it as well she has a lot more stuff to do because of lane but i try and put some things on to help as well so you you just totally validated two theories i've always had about productivity apps uh one is that having it be like a thing that is sort of near you otherwise is really valuable. Like the Google sidebar thing is so real. It is. Just the fact that you're in your email and it's right there is a huge deal.

And people always say like on mobile, whatever, it's just a swipe away. Just use the app switcher or on desktop. Like, oh, you can have both windows open. Like the fact that it's in the sidebar is a big deal. can have both windows open like the fact that it's in the sidebar is a big deal uh and also i have been convinced forever that like capture speed is actually the whole ball game like if it's really quick to write something down you will and if it's slow you won't and that's how the system breaks right and i think especially with google tasks one of the things that google has done a garbage job of over the years is making it easy to add stuff into like its

reminders system because its reminder system was 45 different apps that didn't speak to each other and that is like very slowly getting better do you use the voice stuff at all like are you are you yelling reminders into your phone all day so i remember i remember i think the reason i tried to use todoist is when you were talking about natural language processing and like being able to do that through just adding things and Google Tasks in the task app doesn't have that. Um, or at least I don't think it does, but through just Google assistant, as long as I say added as a task, it does. And honestly, I think doing that is where Claire decided I want this because the best time you can do that is clicking the little microphone on your Android auto in the car when you don't want to use your phone in the car and be like can you remind me to do this especially

when i'm driving home this is where i use it so often with specific times is my commute's an hour claire will be like pick something up on the way home and if i don't in my car click like in one hour or at you know 5 55 when i'm just getting around off my exit to pick this up i will get home and she'll be like where was the dry cleaning you were supposed to pick up and i'll be like it is at the dry cleaner because i did not remember to do that so it has saved me so many times on remembering to do stuff like that um so yeah it doesn't have natural language processing but the fact that assistant will do it as long as you understand how to ask it correctly which is the most fun thing about google assistant yeah the syntax is a little wacky and just having to write

you have to say like add as a task otherwise it'll be like where which of the 12 actually yeah but i feel like that's when you use google long enough it's like how you have to learn how to search on google you just have to learn how to uh you, maybe Gemini will get to do something in there one of these days. Who knows? Yeah, probably not. David, meanwhile, is just sitting here being like, I just always remember to pick up the dry cleaner. Who needs a test? I do. I don't know. I don't know what to tell you. All because he makes his bed.

I guess my brain is huge, you know? Yeah, apparently. He's on an iPhone a lot of the time also, so he's probably not going to use Google Tests. Bro, I wish I had to f***ing video call this guy the other day, and it took us like 10 minutes because he switched to Pixel. Because nothing worked. Well, me? Oh. Yeah, you.

Yeah, sorry. You don't want to use Google meet parentheses original parentheses? That was what we ended up settling with after Slack huddles failed continuously. Okay, but I thought that your audio was not working on your computer. Everything we tried didn't work. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. You're right.

Set a task to go back to the iPhones? I'm just doing my job, man. Yeah, no, I don't doubt that if I actually tried to use a productivity app, I would be more productive. Because there are definitely times when I tell myself that I need to get stuff done and I just never get around to doing it. Your keep stuff, is it generally things you have to get done or is it just things you want to remember? It's a mixture of both. Sometimes I'm just like video idea that I had a title idea for that video that I had, but it's a, and then sometimes it's a literally a

running list of things I need to get done. That's pinned to the top to be fair. Um, so I think that first thing is like a perfect use of Google Keep. Yeah. And Google Keep is really good at that for like the sort of transient notes that you're like, I don't need this to be like a big, beautiful document that I show somebody. I just need to write down this title idea that I had. And then eventually I won't need it anymore. Yeah.

Keep is awesome for that. It should be better as a task manager because Google also owns it and Google owns Google Tasks. And it's just all sitting right there. it should be better as a task manager because google also owns it and google owns google tasks and it just it's just all sitting right there uh and i think at some point google is going to put those pieces together but they've been telling me that for a decade so i go off topic out of theories please okay you're saying those two should just be together what are your thoughts on the screenshots app not being part of google photos so what i think is that google really would like you to be able to just make up horrifying photos no problems easily enough but do useful things with their screenshots

they have to make more complicated makes perfect sense great job everybody what are we doing here uh i know i think in general a lot of this AI stuff is probably better suited in its own app for now. My guess would be if this stuff is popular and any good, it's all going to end up in photos and camera before too long. But I think for now, it is probably the right trial balloon to at least just make people do one more thing to access some of this stuff. It's weird that google is doing it even while it is just railroading everybody's android phone with gemini uh so to pick that one spot to be kind of cautious doesn't really make any sense but i think for the first run of this thing yes but pixel screenshots long term if it's any good should absolutely not be its own app

yeah i keep in tasks together i hadn't thought of but it makes perfect sense because what you're saying is just all the the pin task or the pin to do list should just be if that was in keep it would be an easier way to remind you and yeah off and in a widget where keep all the other stuff should be in keep that's where i have like recipes or gift ideas for parents or siblings this is where i just don't want like there's so much segmentation on things that are only slightly different and it's the same analogy with the screenshots app versus the photos app because with keep it's like with gemini now you can ask gemini to make you a grocery list and what does it do it creates a bulleted list in google keep but to me my brain

my apparently massive brain doesn't really like separate the difference between a checklist in keep and a checklist in tasks and i know that that's google's fault not your fault okay thank you that is that's bad product that's all it is right like what tasks should be is a list of all the tasks you have in Google Keep. Like Google tasks at a properly run product organization would not need to exist because Google Keep would already have that feature. Right. Uh, but,

but at Google it is easier to be successful launching a new thing than maintaining an old thing. And this is why we keep getting new Google products. Yeah. But, but like the, the thing you're describing is exactly right. And I think what Google is doing is sort of backing its way into that connection

where if you add a reminder to a thing in Google Keep, it makes absolutely no sense that that doesn't immediately appear in Google Tasks. And I think that's what we're gonna get where there's a little bit of that cross-pollination. Again, they've been saying things like that for a very long time. I'm not super hopeful it's gonna happen anytime soon,

but you can see how just that little connection would make both apps much better. Right. I would be very excited. No, definitely. Some sort of just like universal protocol, you might say, where everything can talk to each other. Yeah.

What an idea. Yeah, I don't know. I guess my brain doesn't easily segment the difference between tasks and notes. So I think that's probably why my keep is so messy, just because I just want to throw everything that I think of in one place. If you physically segment it, then your brain doesn't have to segment it. Yeah, I guess you're right.

So if you, David, we're just going to do the same thing with you that we did. Honestly, you should, because I think I'm worse. I think I'm worse. That podcast was very long. We're just going to do it's go let's run it back okay uh so if you have a thing that you're like i need to do it at 4 30 p.m on thursday yes i have to send a form to the government uh-huh how do you make sure that that gets done at 4 3030 p.m. on Thursday. I usually just remember. Sheer will. You're saying David gets arrested four months later? I usually just try to remember,

and there have been times where I have forgotten. Google does do a good job of, before meetings and stuff, like sending you a 10-minute to your meeting reminder or like Google Calendar. I did start using Google Calendar about a year ago like much more aggressively. So now when I'm getting dinner with someone or when I'm supposed using Google Calendar about a year ago, like much more aggressively. So now when I'm getting dinner with someone or when I'm supposed to like hop on a call with someone,

I usually put it in my Google Calendar. So there's that. And events. And events. But most of the time you're just like, if this is important enough, I'll probably remember it. Usually, yeah. That's even worse than Andrew just setting a million alarms.

Like Andrew suddenly looks like thoroughly organized. That's what I was Andrew just setting a million alarms. Andrew suddenly looks thoroughly organized. That's what I was saying when he was like, oh yeah, I'm an inbox zero guy. I'm like, what are you talking about? Have you seen my desk, man? I think we need the studio video of you coming into David and you can just follow him around for 24 hours. I would love to just be your productivity coach.

I will teach you all of my ways and you will do none of them because it's insanity uh i would but i think like look if you if that works terrific but right i think the the case against that approach in a lot of ways is like mental load right like all the people who write about productivity and talk about this stuff and research it it's less like fear of forgetting something even though you will like we all forget things uh and it's more just the the mental load it requires you to keep that in your brain that you have to do that at 4 30 on thursday right just the the brain the mental cycles that it takes up between now and then that if you just offload it somewhere else

you get to spend those cycles on something else and as discussed your brain is enormous so maybe this is not a problem okay this sounds uh this might sound dumb i think that i've had a a nervousness around offloading too many of the things from my brain to a computer because i am worried that i will just start not naturally remembering anything and i don't want to rely on something that's not me to get to make sure that i do the things i need to do i get that so play more video games man this keeps the mind strong yeah but this all said i actually would like to get better at, especially the tasks, because like we were saying with the making the bed thing, being able to like do smaller things to like

get the ball rolling and like make yourself more productive in general, I think would be very good. Because usually what I do now is like, if I'm not being productive, I have a panic attack. So then I, you know, I just force myself to be productive. I think I can also say the reoccurring daily tasks of super minuscule things that I've done, I would argue after you do it so many times, becomes enough of a routine like making your bed.

And at a certain point, you don't have to really put it in your task app anymore. Or you leave it in there and you love checking that box because it's that easy peasy one every day you're doing normally but then it doesn't do anything for me i've tried i've tried to use a bunch of different tasks app task apps that have like recurring tasks and it just feels like like unnecessary work to have to open it up and hit check to me i don't know that's fair i i only really use the recurring stuff for things with a long enough time horizon that i'm probably gonna forget like i have one i have to change the

air filter in my furnace every three months and i just will forget when i did it last right so i'm like even if i'll suddenly be like oh i should change the filter when did i do that last being able to check and be like oh i don't have to do that for that makes a lot of sense like that's great yeah but the the i'm with you on the daily stuff like there are lots of people who who have literally like brush teeth make coffee eat breakfast on their to work lots of drugs dude i see marquez's calendar there's lots of people on this podcast most of us he has drive to work and i'm like dude i don't think you need that i think he did explain it well in the last episode okay he can't schedule something in that time slot is what he has it for that makes sense yeah he's clearly an

extremely productive guy so i'm not going to like say that there is plenty of good theory behind that right that not only like one of the things i've heard from a bunch of people over the years is a really good thing to do is schedule downtime like if what you're going to do is just rot on the couch for three hours like put on your calendar that you do is just rot on the couch for three hours like put on your calendar that you're going to rot on the couch for three hours because what it does is like you've scheduled all the things that matter such that when you want to sit on the couch and rot for three hours while you watch shows that's actually a thing you have declared your intention to do right and that actually ends up being really important that does nothing for me never ever

has it feels ridiculous to put on my counter i can't make myself do it but i i do sort of buy the the theory behind that but for me yeah the recurring stuff is only useful kind of and i have mine set up so that it it goes three months for the like air filter it goes three months from when i check it off not when it was last due so it actually is now on us like the correct cadence no matter when the like original due date was which has been very handy i think the reason that that rotting on the couch three hour thing doesn't really feel like it works is because when you're usually usually scheduling tasks for i need to do this during this period of time it is the thing that has friction and sitting on the couch doing nothing only has friction because

you might want to do something else but then you feel like you're not allowed to do something else. And sitting on the couch and rotting is not something you have to do. So it's just something you want to do. And those are sort of different things. That's why it doesn't, it wouldn't work for me at least. Yeah. I get that. I don't want to do, first of all, I put rot on the couch on Claire and I shared calendar right now, and I'm going to see how long it takes her to text me for what that means. But yeah, I don't think I can schedule that for me. The reason I don't schedule that is because rotting on the couch is the reason I'm not doing all the other tasks because I'm like sitting on the couch debating on what I want

to do next, which just means turning on YouTube and then thinking too hard about what I want to do next and then doing none of it. Yeah. So being able to rot on the couch get bored in 20 minutes and then look at my task app and be like oh I could get quite a few things done right now because it helps significantly that was the thing you said the last time yeah I was like oh if Andrew gets into this it'll actually really work for him because you what you're saying is if I remember right you're like I have these moments especially on the weekends where I will all of a sudden get

real energy to be productive like i have i have i i feel good right i'm like i have 90 minutes of of go be useful energy right and then you were saying basically like you spend some portion of that time just sort of spinning around in a circle trying to figure out what to do uh and the idea of being able to be like i have time to do all the things and have all the things just sitting there in front of you. And the way you described it, at least it sounded like that list would not be daunting. It would be like inspiring. And it sounds like it sort of has been, which is really cool. I would say it's done two things, which is one, it's that it has like inspired me to be like, I have all these things, their lists are right here. If I just get them done, this is 30 minutes

top and I knock off more than half of the things I have to do right now. And the other is when I am in that productive mode and I just look at my list rather than ping-ponging back between different things, it's much easier to just be like, I'm doing this, I'm doing this, I'm doing this, I'm doing this. And then they're all done. And then I can rot on the couch forever with nothing hanging over my head. And it's great. Well, now Lane can crawl, So that's making it much harder, but David, do you organize these tasks by like things that are much bigger versus things that

are smaller and easier to get done? Because for example, I have like, you know, I always want to be working on this video project and sometimes I have the energy to go work on the video project, but sometimes I get home from work and I'm like, I want to do something, but I'm kind of mentally drained. And I don't know if I have the energy to go to the coffee shop and write for another three hours. So how do you, how do you like segment out the load of the mental load that it takes to do these tasks? It's tough. And I think one of the things I do most days at the very beginning of the day is just sit down and basically write a list of what I think my day is going to look like. And it's just like write down all the meetings, write down whatever like stuff I have to get done today work wise. And then at the bottom, I have just like a list of things that might be nice to work on.

Some of that is like longer term stories. Some of it is things I owe other people for work reasons. Some of it is personal stuff. longer term stories some of it is things i owe other people for work reasons some of it is personal stuff uh one of the things on my list for this evening is i have to buy blinds because that window uh lets in a lot of light and looks bad on camera and like has that been on my list every day for two weeks it sure has uh but but so i think the way that i've come to do it is like the the list i have is like this is the stuff that is going to happen today because it has to because this is what my day looks like. And then at the bottom,

it's kind of, I don't know, hopeful it's, it's aspirational, but I've learned to like, I don't feel bad when I don't get that stuff done at all. That is like, that is the stuff that it would be good to work on.

And if I don't, whatever, but like what Andrew was saying, if I get to the end of the day or 2 PM or whatever, and I'm like, Oh, I have, I have two hours with nothing to do.

What should I do? Like now I have a list of things that I have actually previous me said I want to do sitting in front of me. And sometimes I do none of those things and play video games. And that's also fine. Right. So I know that you told Andrew a number of things

that he should be doing. And that's why people have been asking for updates for months. Do you have any recommendations for how to get my life together that's a much harder one where do we even um i my thing for you would be just take the things with a day and time attached to them and put them somewhere other than your head uh okay like don't don't feel like you have to offload everything but just like and it probably it sounds like in this case your calendar could be the answer to that thing right like calendars have reminders that 10 minute reminder is really useful in a lot of cases it also tells you like when you have to

do a thing so i would just like for for the things that taking out the trash every week right like it's such an easy example, right? Like instead of just trusting that you'll remember that, just put it somewhere. And then if you remember it and it's there in your calendar, it's totally duplicative and it costs you nothing. But it helps. It really does. And I think for that kind of thing, it seems to be a mix whether the idea of like having

a full giant to-do list of all the things I ever hope to accomplish ever is helpful or not right for people. And that's like a purely personal thing. But I think for everybody, this idea of like, things I have to do at a time and place, I am not to be trusted to remember all of those things. And and there are systems like calendars that are better at those than I am. So I would just start there for you. It's just like that first step of just, I have to do a thing in five days instead of hammering it into your brain and being like, I will remember this in five days. Just put it on the calendar. Worry about it in five days.

Okay. And then as far as like task and productivity apps, do you recommend Google Tasks? Do you think that I should be starting on that? So the problem with Google Tas it's it's not very powerful but that is also kind of its superpower uh yeah it doesn't do very much but it is right there right and that's the thing that's worked for you andrew is it is right there and it's it's easy to look at it's easy to add stuff to it sits next to the other google apps that you use all day uh you can have stuff appear in your calendar so you can it'll like show you your to-do list at the top of every day

right again whether that's useful totally up to you but that is a thing it can do um i think tick tick and to-do list are and to-do list rather are easily better more powerful more useful apps they're also just a lot more and it's another thing to check so i think both of those are like declaring your intentions to be like i am a person who uses to-do lists right tasks is just like a place you can dump a bunch of stuff and it'll kind of resurface for you as you need it i do think tasks would work better for me because i've tried to use todoist and tiktok and stuff and just like notion i just get overwhelmed by it it just becomes an app you have to check yeah which is more than a lot of people want and i think like andrew what you've been saying about google tasks is like you don't actually have to look at it that often yeah it

eventually makes you want to over time as you get more stuff in there but and it surfaces in places that you like weren't looking for previously. I think if you took the keep to-do list and just moved that to tasks and now had your keep as the big set of notes and then just did that, it's just going to be exactly the same with some

notification reminders on it. Totally. And then we'll start yelling at Google to actually make those the same thing, which they should have been the whole time. And then your screenshots will give you reminders from the screenshots app. Just take screenshots of all of your tasks and then search it in the screenshots app. And then use the screenshots app for my tasks. I'd love that. David, I know we're almost out of time.

Do you have one more minute? We have one last question for you. Sure. Oh, God. Good. Good. Sure. Oh, God.

Good. For the three of you, we have Apple's September event coming up very, very soon. And Apple traditionally unveils the new iPhone in September, but Apple has been doing September events long before the iPhone. In fact, Apple has held an event every September since 2002, except for which two years? Between 2002 and this year? 2002 and this year. There have only been two years. Were they subsequent? They were not subsequent.

Shoot. Okay. One point for each sure wait this is so wrong okay so david probably has them in his head not written on a whiteboard because we didn't send him a whiteboard before this oh yeah i want to say i also just looked around i don't have any paper on that's okay david pierce is our guest and of course we would let him go first. Exactly. Well, that's so nice. I don't want to go first.

Well, as our guest, then Andrew can go first. I wrote 2008 and 2012. So close. David, I? I wrote 2006 and 2019 for some reason, which is not true. David Pierce. Yeah. I,

I had 2007 because that was the whole theory behind it too. Uh, 2020. Was there a COVID one? There was a COVID one in September. It was a ritual. That was also for M one. Wait,

what was your 2007 explanation? they launched the iphone in january and it came out like in june i think nope nope i was wrong in 2020 they had one in october and november but not oh really which means david pierce i went on a technicality dang i almost yeah okay that's fine what was the other year uh in 2004 they held the event in october uh and then again in 2011 thank you in 2011 the iphone 5 was announced in november oh in november wow wait no that was in 2012 in 2011 i wrote 2012 no i said 12 2012 was a september event 2011 was a november yes a november event where they announced find my friends a refreshed ipod nano the first ipod touch and revealed the iphone excuse me not the first ipod touch a refreshed ipod touch

and the iphone 4s with gosh how could we forget that year yeah there's no way all right awesome david thank you so much for joining thank you all for having me back andrew i just want to say i'm very proud i was just gonna say i hope i made you proud so you did great this this has vastly exceeded all of my expectations and and i hope i hope it has helped it sounds like this is good for you it's been great it's been seriously great for me If anyone's thinking of changing to a task app, I highly recommend giving it a try. Google Tasks is the easiest one to dip your toes in. I'll try.

Yeah. You can expect an invoice from Pierce in the next week. I'll put it on Marques' desk while he's gone. Yeah, thanks so much. And I guess we'll check back on David whenever you see him next or something. We'll see how he's doing. Or I'll just send you notes on the side

to see if he's doing any of it. send you notes on the side to see if he's doing any of it. Yeah, I'll just start yelling at David publicly every once in a while. That works for me. I'll put a reminder on my calendar right now. Yell at David two months from now. Alright, cool. Thanks so much. Thanks, guys. Yeah. Okay, David.

I think your first Google task. Okay. Throw us to one more ad break. All right, task.google.com, throw to ad break. We'll be right back. Check. That felt good, right? Yeah.

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Accessories sold separately. All right, welcome back. Garmin. I guess Adam and I are the only people who get really excited for Garmin. Garmin. And maybe like one hundredth of our viewers, if that. Garmin just released the Phoenix 8 and it looks bonkers. It looks so sick. It looks really sick. So I've been using the Epic Gen 2 for, I think this has been on my wrist for almost two full years now, which is kind of crazy. And I still love it.

I've almost went to like the Samsung Galaxy Watch Ultra because it looked really nice, but it was super heavy and I didn't love it. I love this watch mostly because of battery life and because of how durable it is. But this Phoenix 8 looks awesome and so awesome that I wouldn't doubt if we never see another Epix from Garmin again. Such is the rumor, right?

They're like getting rid of it. Yeah, I haven't seen anything confirmed, but I've had people tweet at me already being like, is the Epix going away? Yeah. Is this taking the place? But the writing's on the wall, I think mostly mostly because now the Epyx had the AMOLED screens and this new Phoenix 8 is also going to have an AMOLED screen. And I think with Phoenix being the model they've been running for years, this is probably running.

Good one. Running, running, running, running. Wait, so is the Phoenix the running version, the running watch? I think the Forerunners the running specific watch got it and the phoenix is just like their flagship and they have probably three sizes three sizes tons of different screens so yeah let's go over that real quick there there's a 47 or 43 millimeter 47 millimeter and a 51 millimeter i believe this is 47 so 51 is huge gigantic yeah yeah i constantly kind of wish i had the smaller version of this um not only that so they all three sizes come in amoled and then

two sizes come in solar which will have a dimmer screen but because it's solar it will as long as you're in the sun for three hours a day it increases battery life by like double or something like that i said 51 millimeter amoled models 29 days of battery life in smartwatch mode and with the 51 millimeter solar model with always on display 48 days as long as you're in the sun for three hours a day which not a lot of people are in the sun for three hours no but 48 is still an absurd number. And like, at least compared to the smartwatches we talk about, Garmin is on an S tier by itself for miles compared to anything else.

We're like begging the Apple Watch Ultra to maybe hit three days. And this thing is like, yeah, have you heard of three months? Yeah. Dang. Which is really cool they look fantastic there's this big new orange like uh i'm guessing like an action button on the 47 mil and the 51 mil um they look great pricing is up there though it's ridiculous lowest price 9.99 for the amoled glass version which isn't even the sapphire glass version, which I feel like most garment people would probably want the sapphire version. Those are starting at, for the

43 and 47 millimeter sapphire AMOLEDs are $10.99. Okay. At least they're the same price for a bigger shoe. True. If you go to 51, then you're at $11.99 or $ 10.99 for the glass um and then the solar ones are the same price as the sapphire amoleds so 10.99 or 11.99 that's a wild that's a wild price that's expensive but i feel like people who really like stuff like this would maybe be more okay paying for that i don't know garmin's never really been cheap i would say they have cheap models but i don't think the phoenix has been their cheap model i would love to see how big the 51 millimeter looks in person i want to see i want to see like all three next to each other it's gonna look like a ben 10 watch the three little bears yeah or uh goldilocksia um but there's a bunch of really cool things on here the um we have two different screens. There's a built-in speaker and a microphone,

so you can take phone calls straight from your watch. So without headphones, kind of weird, but also super James Bond, so always a plus. Voice commands like start an activity, save a wave point, set a timer. Certain ones that don't need your phone, it's just watch specific activities, which is pretty cool.

An LED flashlight with brightness control underrated feature super underrated is it a separate flashlight or does the screen just nope it's a separate really strobe and red light which i think is awesome so the screen can control the yeah i hate watches that are like flashlight it's just like this white screen it's like what am i doing with like moving my wrist like that? For sure. Makes, like, no sense. Strength training plans and specific workouts for different sports. Oh, wow. I think is really cool.

So there's four to six week plans that you can use and follow in, like, the Garmin Connect app. Oh, wow. Was that already on the previous one or no? I don't believe so, but I'm not 100% sure. They have, like, running stuff, but definitely not for strength training like that. Yeah, and ones that are specific for different sports. There's no doubt there's Ultimate or Disc Golf in there, but whatever. You never know. You never know.

40-meter rated dive case or dive rated case, I know nothing about diving, so I think that's good. 40 meters is more than most people will ever need, but not as good as regular watches. Okay. Yeah, got it. Good to know. Here is the worst thing about this.

Garmin Messenger app, so you can communicate texting through your watch, but only to other people who have the Garmin Messenger app. What? Just don't even add that. What is that? That is brutal. Oh my gosh.

Garmin, I love you, but that makes zero sense. What the heck? Wait, so you can't send regular texts? You can reply to text message through like quick replies and stuff like that, at least on this. But I'm assuming if you want to do the texting straight from the watch without your phone, it's like Garmin. Wow. Garmin messaging only.

Which I didn't even know they had a messaging app. Yeah. Maybe that's their way around like iOS not letting them do anything. Maybe. It's one of those things where like it just doesn't matter. And at least it's not probably adding to the price of the watch at all. But it's just dumb. Yeah.

There's also a bunch of new navigation capabilities and preloaded golf and ski resort maps, which is pretty sweet. So not only is there topographic maps of whatever continent you're in, which is usually you pick one when you start setting up your watch. And I love this for hiking. It's really awesome. But now you also get golf and ski resorts. And ski slope resorts, that's awesome.

It's really easy to get lost on a ski slope on your way back to the correct lodge. So that's awesome it's really easy to get lost on a ski slope on your way back that is true so that's pretty key um and yeah the with the amoled on this which is the reason i finally like really started loving uh they had it on a couple i think the venue 2 had an amoled screen but the thing that was taking garmin watches away previously is they looked terrible on the screen compared to the smart watches we see all the time. But I hated the battery on those. AMOLED on this looks so nice. Yeah, it's too bad you won't have that if you do the... The solar one.

Yeah, I really feel like the solar one will be for people who do like the Appalachian Trail or like really, really long backpacking days. Because I get like 14 days of battery life with this this seems even better yeah yeah i'm not kidding i can get seven days of battery life with always on display on i have a question about the solar ones so i have like a solar dumb watch that is effectively infinite is that the way these are like you never need to put it it's not it's not going to be infinite i'm

i bet you if you did like super power saving mode and solar stuff like that you could go that but then it's not really doing much but it has to do so much more than your regular watch and it probably says you so it's not infinite but it's still i think it said 48 days with always on display on as long as you're outside for three hours a day so if you're backpacking all the time like you're probably getting a super solid battery like a lot of people take about a month to do a part of the pct so you could do the entire thing without it dying the entire well the entire 30 like month-long part of it pacific crust trail for those no no I thought he meant the whole Pacific Crest Trail.

No, no, no, no. Which is way too fast. There's a portion that a lot of people do that takes a month. A lot of those, and the way they do it is they'll stop in a town after X amount of days or weeks. So like being able to charge

each time you stop at a local town to like resupply is wild. That's crazy. That's awesome. The shower economy in those towns must be nuts. The like postal service in those towns must be nuts the like postal service in those towns just get boxes that get sent all the time for like resupply stuff yeah dang weird that's one awesome niche to follow on tiktok as people record themselves doing the pct and the

appalachian trail and you can follow people through the months of the summer and do it it's really cool yeah but yeah those are the new watches they are they're so sick garmin if you're listening adam and i would be happy to try them out just saying i mean if you're gonna make me yes adam will try to i'm going to glacier tomorrow by myself so i might need something like this yeah we'll see you have an sos watch no you have a regular casio david what are you doing, but my Pixel 9 now has SOS features. Satellite SOS. Nice. I can't wait to hear about your trip in Glacier.

It's the most beautiful place in the world. I'm a little scared, to be honest. But I think you'll do great. If you see bears, just walk towards them. Yeah, I'll run towards them with my camera. Running towards them is probably better than running away from them, honestly. Yeah, that's true. Okay, but before we give any more bear facts, especially bear facts that could get people

killed. Wait, before we move on, I thought of a joke last night. The best jokes are ones that... I know. If you're driving, pull over. If you're doing the dishes, stop. Yeah, yeah. Make sure there's no liquids in your mouth when you hear this this side splitter no no where does one go to get the best leaks of hiking watches uh twitter the famed

insider murk garman ouch a mark german thank you i see no wait what was the scenario in which you thought about this joke you've never been on your way to bed sheep prancing over your nose uh-huh and then it just pow right in the kisser hilarious joke some yeah i guess so and then google tasks or AG, remind me to tell them the sweet Mark Gurman slash Garmin watch joke tomorrow on the podcast. It's too perfect. Come on. It was great. Merck Garmin. Okay, next topic.

That is funny, I think. Well, the next topic, I want your opinion from Ellis. So I got this TikTok over the weekend, I think. Never a good sign. No, it's always a good sign. First of all, it's from this creator named Derek G, I believe it's g e he's awesome i only saw him on tiktok but i realized he has a youtube channel and like instagram and all that stuff but he does a lot of like music listening slash hi-fi audio stuff i think i've seen him talk about headphones or earplugs anywhere from like really nice sennheisers to

like the milwaukee tools truly wireless earbuds and it's awesome um but he brought up this pair of headphones called the nwm1 i believe and they are i don't know how to describe them they're not open back headphones because there's no back to them they are just open headphones i guess um the easiest way to describe them is a pair of over ear headphones and then there's a circle the circle cup around your ears and then it's completely open to the back in the outside world and then has these drivers that are in a cone shape that can move like be adjusted to shoot into your ear canals as best as possible, essentially. Interesting. And it's kind of similar to the Sony LinkBuds S, was that it?

The ones that were truly wireless earbuds, but they didn't have transparency mode. They had a physical hole. Those were just the LinkBuds. Just the LinkBuds. The S for the regular style. Yeah, than the regular LinkBuds. So you had a hole for sound to come into your ear canal,

but then you had sound playing around it to come into your ear canal but then you had sound playing around it pretty much so it was like physical transparency mode that's what this is and from some of the stuff besides the loudness of it and not great bass uh he said it was really cool being able to feel to be able to hear everything normally and at one point they described it as like um in a movie when like the soundtrack starts coming up like behind. But you can still hear everything that's going on. Interesting. And I thought it was a pretty interesting idea.

They are $300. But I want to know, Ellis, what are your thoughts on this? I have to try them. You know, I feel like something this out there kind of requires me to i can't even imagine what that'd be like does it intrigue you enough to be like i could see a space for these or i could see myself using these in some scenario no okay but that might be a me thing because like when i'm listening to stuff i feel like loudness is kind of the thing that I'm like the most interested in usually. Like how did this mastering or mix engineer interpret loudness as a concept for this project?

And nothing messes with your sense of perceived loudness more than noise. than noise like if you as an experiment at home like put on a movie and turn on a fan in the room that you're watching the movie with and you will have to turn the movie up like five clicks like way more even if it's like a quiet fan because just like that bed of noise so and and you also notice it with airpods pro when you put when you're on the phone or listening to music and you put it into full transparency, you got to bump it up. And it's not like the sound's actually getting quieter. It's just your sense of perceived loudness gets so messed up with any sort of outside noise.

So I could just see myself being annoyed with this. But I'm curious. I i'm curious they have dual drivers that's kind of cool they're ported um just the look of them is intriguing i feel like having just like this cup around your ear that's not really a cup but they're like not as embarrassing as the dyson air filter headphones. You think these are embarrassing? I think they're kind of cool looking. Really? Yeah.

Yeah. I would feel, if I was on the subway with these, I would feel so silly. Really? I think so. I think they're kind of cool. I think they look sleek. Yeah. Dude, people will just see these cones sticking into your ears.

I don't think it looks super coney until you like really, just in his video, he showed that they adjust a little bit. And so it gets essentially the cone. I think he said it's the, there's two different, the two drivers, one's around the outside and the one's more on the middle precise one. And that gets closer to your ear. So that's what the cone is, but it doesn't look super coney. It looks about the same size as a regular pair of headphones just i think i would feel silly with like these hollow discs i'd feel

less silly than the the sony loop buds i think oh well you can't see those like well yeah i guess that's why but uh but no i'm i'm curious i don't think they are for me personally but i'm curious i think they're sweet i'm gonna try and reach out to them and see if we can get a review in it that would be awesome sweet all right well uh i guess let's throw it to some trivia trivia dude dude nice so this means you're asking us a new question right because we already answered one question correct nice right correct. Cool, nice. Right on the money. Alright, guys. Real creative, I know. I've got another question about September Apple events.

Tis the season. Guys, which of the following things did not happen at a September Apple event? A. The Motorola Rocker, that's R-O-K-R, is announced. That's a phone with iTunes built in. Motorola Rocker, that's R-O-K-R, is announced.

That's a phone with iTunes built in. Motorola Rocker. B. Steve Jobs announces that the Harry Potter series will be available on iTunes as audiobooks. C. Kanye West performs his hit single Gold Digger live on stage. Or D. Phil Schiller makes his only documented reference to Minecraft. Bummer. He's got to get on that. It's Phil because he doesn't stop talking about Minecraft.

No, he can't because this is the only time. That's what I'm saying. He's clearly not a shiller. Which of those things is not true? He's clearly not a shiller if he's not shilling for Minecraft every day. Good one, David. Thanks. That was better than my Mark Gurvin joke. You guys both put

Kanye and you're both wrong! Kanye West. In fact,, you want to hear something? He performed that song live? Not just that, all three of the first things I named all happened in 2005. What a banger of a September event! Lord. I remember the Motorola

iTunes thing. Yeah, Motorola iTunes, Steve Jobs talks about Harry Potter, and Kanye West performs Gold Digger. Phil Schiller was that... Phil Schiller never talked about Minecraft. He never talked about Minecraft, or he always talks about Harry Potter and Kanye West performs Gold Digger. Phil Schiller was that... He never talked about Minecraft or he always talks about Minecraft? One of the two. You don't have to look that up. I feel like that's going to be a hard one to look up.

Well, so originally the first version of the question was Phil Schiller makes his only reference to Fortnite and then I was like, that's not realistic because Phil Schiller was deposed in that epic. He would never talk about Fortnite. He did talk about Minecraft. Shut up.

Was it in September? Probably not. I made that up. Are my lies starting to bend reality towards the truth? As we were talking to some of the biggest game developers, for example, Minecraft, they say, I totally get why you would want to be able to pay for it on device. But we have a lot of users coming who bought their subscription or they count somewhere else. Nah, this doesn't count. He's talking about payment stuff.

Yeah, but he said Minecraft. That's not what I meant. I'm talking about Phil Schiller on stage. It's September and he's talking about punching trees. Yeah. Okay. This is July. We were wrong either way because Kanye performed.

Yeah. That seemed like the most unlikely. But here we are. That song felt like. It was edited out of the event shortly after. Really? They regretted it. All right.

Well, thanks for joining us for a marquesas episode unless you're an audio to where you may have thought david was marques the entire time that's happened it's happened before it'll happen again um history repeats itself they do uh if we get 10 000 likes we'll never invite marques back ever whoa whoa that's true if you never want to see marques in this podcast ever again, make sure you like and subscribe. It sounds like a ransom note. None of us know how to throw this. Marques throws us out.

In fact, Marques usually stops the band. He throws us out of the building. And usually stops the podcast. Guys, this is like what happens when an ant colony queen dies and all the workers are just sort of aimlessly bumping into each other. We're all still going to be in this room with this same recording going on. Thank God you're here!

Alright, well that's been another episode of the Waypoint Podcast. As you may have noticed, we actually did release a bonus episode on Wednesday. If you did not yet watch that or listen to that, make sure that you listen to it because it's a banger. And we will be back next week with another round of

trivia and news. So, thank you. You're welcome. Marquez, take us out. Alright, see you guys later. Bye. Wayformer's produced by Mark... Mark Garman? What? I was just saying Marquez Brownlee. Wayformer's produced by Merk Garman.

Merk Garman. Merk Garman is funny. He's funny. Laugh. Please laugh. Please laugh. Waveformer is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Reverend. We're partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network and our interactor music was Vain Sill.

Bingo. Also, when you said leaks, I thought you meant the vegetable.