Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Samsung Galaxy Unpacked Rumors and Our Favorite Tech of 2023

Episode Date: January 5, 2024

This week Marques, Andrew, and David open up the new year with their favorite Tom Scott videos in honor of 10 years of weekly uploads. Then they get into some Samsung Unpacked rumors with the new S24 and Galaxy AI. After they talk about new Apple Car Play coming to Porsche and Aston Martin plus a Xiaomi car with unbelievable specs. Then we wrap it up with our favorite tech of 2023! Links: Tom Scott Goodbye: https://bit.ly/3NTjuoW Tom Scott X Views: https://bit.ly/48JsiFB Tom Scott Yellowstone Death Zone: https://bit.ly/48nSkhY Tom Scott: https://bit.ly/3NQrhUo| Xiaomi Car: https://bit.ly/3NSFT5L Apple Car Play: https://bit.ly/3S7Xnxe Andrew's Keyboard Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@LMNO-Key Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Shop Products Mentioned: Ray Bans Meta - Wayfarer: https://geni.us/A9UaOaz Eight Sleep: https://geni.us/fkpd Arc Browser: https://geni.us/yhbKAD Omnitype Bauer Lite Keyboard: https://geni.us/yoc8T Corsair Platform 6 Gaming Desk: https://geni.us/mQemHAK Pulsar X2 Wireless Keyboard: https://geni.us/GIcAOpK 64 Audio IEM (Volür): https://geni.us/BAdaFL2 Rivian R1S: https://geni.us/BmKQ1u  Google Pixel Fold: https://geni.us/bb3u7bs Instagram/Threads/Twitter: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Gambling problem? Call 1-866-531-2600. Visit connectsontario.ca. All right, what is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. It's 2024. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David.

And kicking off this new year, actually, Ellis and Adam are both at the same time on well-deserved Just kidding, just kidding. They are taking breaks. So we have a new producer in the house today, Mariah on the board. She's rubbing her hands together like she's got devious plans. She's got too much power. She's learned the board already. I'm ready, but I don't know if you're ready.

A lot of power. A lot of power over there. But yeah, we're back to all the tech news, catching up to everything. There was obviously a fun show for the end of last year, but now there's a bunch of news that we got to catch up on a little bit. We have an update on the Apple Watch ban, the Xiaomi car that got announced, which I have thoughts about some of the announcements. Samsung Unpacked is also in it's right in front of us.

Yeah, it's about to kick off the year. CES and Unpacked, we know it's happening, and we also want to wrap up with some of our favorite tech from last year. Yeah. We got some individual picks. None of us know each other's picks either.

Yeah, we hit it. So there may be some hot takes. I don't know what you guys picked. And possibly some overlap. Possibly. That's a good point. So we'll get there. But before we start, we have to talk about a video that I'm sure we've all watched.

Tom Scott, who we've had on the podcast before, released a video saying, After 10 years, it's time to stop making videos. That's the title of this video. It's more of a retrospective on his last 10 years of not missing a single day of weekly uploads, which I just want to say, that's a lot harder than you think. Insane. Like, it sounds pretty hard, but it's even harder than you think to do every single week, and especially the quality of videos that he gets to do and yeah some of the fun stuff that he produces i think you described that well it is very hard when you

think about it and it is still harder than what you think about it yeah he said something in that video that i resonated a lot with which is you you sometimes you get to weeks where you don't really have much and you kind of think you might have to put out filler but you can't uh make worse production quality than you usually do you only you only have to go up you only have the ability to go up because the audience is used to better and better stuff so he just kept topping himself over and over again for 10 years which is pretty impressive yeah you know what's crazy about tom scott you know that red shirt that he wears so he only wears that red shirt which is crazy i have i went back in his discography and just like saw everything all of his videos he he only wears that red shirt which is crazy i have i went back in his

discography and just like saw everything all of his videos he's always wearing that red shirt and that gray hoodie too is like his right maybe it's a little chilly outside i'll wear the hoodie that exact red shirt my grandpa always used to wear and he gave me when he died and i wore that for like three years like exact same yeah exactly one but it was like before tom scott started making videos it was when i was a kid i used it as like a night before tom scott made it cool yeah yeah we were cool i was a fruit of the loom red shirt hipster how do you know that it's the same yeah it's the same i wore that shirt for like three years you just looked at it you knew I know Tom if you're listening thief said you're done making videos give away the shirt a shout out to Tom if you

haven't watched his videos if you also haven't watched him absolutely destroy the alphabet typing test which is you still won on our leaderboard right by like a full second spoiler alert he he crushed it yeah and so you should watch that episode yeah it's only to see that he also still will make videos he has other channels and i think he said he will come back to his eventually but just not keeping that he's taking a break and not doing the weekly upload stuff yeah yeah he's gonna still make videos he's just not forcing himself to make videos yeah he has a fun podcast too that i was on where it's sort of like a game show type thing. Yeah, I've listened to it before.

So if you enjoy our game show moments, you might enjoy that one too. I thought it would be fun because he has so many videos and I know we all watch them. If we all named our favorite one from him, just in case somebody out there

doesn't watch him and wants a good idea for one. Okay. Yeah. Do you want to go first? Sure. Since Marques is obviously searching i'm going on right now uh he has a video called this video has x views but the x updates every

time there's a view basically which is crazy uh it currently has over 70 million views so if you go on youtube and search tom scott this video has x views it'll show up and it'll just be updated with the current view count yeah and it's funny he uh he wrote some code basically that just consistently updates it and in the video he's like this will probably break around like three million views or so and it just never broke it just that's still going which is amazing um so i think i think that was pretty cool it was it was pretty early on into like YouTube giving public features and being able to do stuff. And, uh, it's cool that YouTube never like saw that and then stopped it from being able

to do that. And actually now YouTube does live view counts. So when you're watching a video, the views literally take up. So, yeah. I like that one. That's definitely been copied since then as well. I've seen multiple ones of like this, get this video needs this many of you or like something like that one that's definitely been copied since then as well i've seen multiple ones of like this get this video needs this many of you or like something like that it's like live

reacting to it but yeah yeah it's cool i have one that i'll always remember because it's just like his videos are awesome because they're these little tiny pieces of information that are fun to like throw out there he has one called um i visited yellowstone's zone of death which is okay a very short video and essentially because of the way the sixth amendment is worded in the u.s where if you are in trial for being accused of a crime you need an impartial jury of the state and district because yellowstone is a federal district and one of the only federal districts that crosses state lines there's this like one mile strip in idaho where federally it's considered the yellowstone district and by state it's considered idaho and there are

no people who live there so you technically couldn't get a jury to have a trial if you committed a crime there so why doesn't everyone kill everyone i'm sure i'm sure if it actually went to court it would probably be yeah they would find a way to do it but it's very funny because he went there and like i think in the description of the video he's like um a car did drive by and i was very nervous when it happened and it's like a six minute video and he was in and out as fast as possible now i know where to bury a body perfect well you have to commit the crime there as well oh i could do that well there's no cops so i guess uh if anyone ever invites you there um i do have one that i remember this was this one's a much older one it's six years old

but uh there are a couple of these in the world but certain roads where when you drive on them the ridges in the road yes create music i remember this video and he made yeah he made a video about uh when that's in california and how it kind of sounds terrible because if you drive at the wrong speed it's out of speed it just doesn't yeah it's not it doesn't work very well yeah but it's still cool that's a thing right i thought that was i feel like that's cool that it's a thing when you if you drive on that road once if that happens to be the commute i mean it'd be fun i don't know is it only on the sides in the rumble ship or it's it's only on the sides right yeah okay so you have to

purposely go off it's an area to decide to do it okay cool that's fun do you have one mariah did you know we were gonna fan favorite is the tom scott vape pen clip highlight of him choking on the vape pen i'll send it if you haven't seen it choking you've never said this it's so funny seconds of yeah it's just him coughing what's the video again it doesn't matter what the video is don't even know yeah that is a thing that that also happened and was memed relentlessly honestly i also give him a lot of credit for filming most of his videos outside yes because that's just a nightmare with like wind and light yeah and the fact that he does most of them outside is a big

and we talked about on the podcast but i think he's the best teleprompter reader I've ever seen. For real. Like ever. Yeah. There was a great snippet of the podcast where he talked about that, where he just like got really good at it. Because you always wonder, like, there's all these videos where he's just standing on a beach and he's just walking towards you on the beach. And he talks for like 20 minutes and you're just like, how? Yeah.

How did you do this and he he talked about it in the pod so go watch that but basically he writes in the same style that he talks so because he writes everything he's able to just talk naturally in a way that feels like he's just talking yeah it's really good it's hard to do it's hard to do when i write scripts i definitely like i go back over it and speak them out and then change the words to make it sound more like i'm actually talking yeah yeah if you don't know tom scott go watch his channel and some heavy show there's a lot of stuff when you publish every week you just kind of cover this insanely broad swath of topics and he covers it very well but yeah all right so we have an update yet again because this

is the waveform update podcast where things happen and then they change yeah it is an unfortunate truth that we record on wednesdays and things happen in between wednesday and wednesday so we have an update on the apple watch band yeah uh the last time we talked about this was two weeks ago because last week we had pre-recorded the uh end of the year episode so that we could take a week off for christmas but basically at the last episode where we talked about this the apple watch was about to get banned um it did very temporarily uh they were actually off sale online starting on december 21st and they were out of stores starting on december 26th i heard it was a lot of fun for employees to like go through all the

stores and take them off the shelves and off of the display tables and put them back yeah and i hadn't thought of it that they have to do that right around christmas which is like hundreds of people buying last minute gifts at the apple store so yeah kudos shout out to all the apple retail employees out there that probably had a rough week i hope you're relaxing now yeah no so the update basically is that they actually did take it off sale for a little bit but then uh apple basically made a software update that they think will be able to get around the patent infringement so they submitted that software update to the International Trade Commission to see if that was enough to get around.

And in the interim period, they are now allowed to sell the Apple Watch again until January 12th when the ITC decides whether or not that software update was enough. If it's not, back off sale they're gonna have to change out a hardware piece it's probably gonna take a long time to do that um apple probably has a pretty quick supply chain considering it's apple and a huge amount of their wearables sales as apple watch yeah but uh yeah part of me would want to think like, oh, well, they'll just discontinue it till the series 10. But the series 10 is definitely being made already. Like, yeah.

So that's that's a great point. Yes. Yeah. So that's a very big problem. It's a very Tim Cook thing. Like he's a supply chain guy. This is a very supply chain annoying problem to have for that company. So they're probably trying to brainstorm way. I mean, I'm sure they've been thinking about this, but now they need to figure out a way to continue for that company. So they're probably trying to brainstorm a way.

I mean, I'm sure they've been thinking about this, but now they need to figure out a way to continue to sell watches until the new watch comes out, but not make it like too much of an announcement because you don't want to have an announcement for a new watch that's on sale right before the new, new watch is on sale.

So there's question marks there. The software update thing would definitely be the most idealistic thing for them because then they could just update all the Series 10s that they're making right now. Is that pushed, that software update? No. Or they just submitted it?

They submitted it to the ITC to see if it's enough. Massimo still thinks that they need a hardware change, obviously. Do you think they're just disabling the blood oxygen features and calling it a day? I don't think they'll do that. So last time when we did talk about that, I actually got a lot of people. I don't think they'll do that. So last time when we did talk about that, I actually got a lot of people. I said I thought blood oxygen was fairly irrelevant.

And a lot of people told me what they really liked it for. And apparently sleep apnea and sleeping and how you're breathing when you're sleeping. It does a good job at telling if you have a hard time during that. And it helps people diagnose sleep apnea. Right. That is actually cool and pretty damn common. Yeah, we got a lot of comments saying this is actually way more helpful than you guys think, which is surprising.

It's interesting seeing a bunch of people in the real world who are saying it is and then us who are saying it's not. So thank you for letting us know if it's useful to you. Yeah, there's definitely going to be people that it's useful for. It might be a vocal minority thing where it's a small fraction of people, but the people who do find it useful really like it so they're vocal about it yeah totally makes sense yeah uh but yeah apple's gonna try to keep it in there because that's it's a feature that

they've advertised and talked about and it really means a lot so yeah i think i've come to my own conclusion that i find it hard to not see just massimo that's name, getting a big old check soon from Apple. Yeah, they say they've reached out to Apple and just offered to have them pay them and that Apple never replied because I think Apple just doesn't want to lose. They got a little bit of leverage now. They have a lot of leverage.

That's going to be a fat check if that's what happens. It's funny because you could see why they wouldn't want to do it because if one company successfully does it and gets a check, then other company is like oh i wonder what we can get a check for so they just want to not have it work but now that they've let it get this far massimo has a ton of yeah because massimo took the very long process of getting to this point of having lots of governing bodies agree with them and yeah i mean that's just wild to force apple to take an apple watch off the shelves like that is yeah gigantic i know there's so many lawsuits against apple and nothing ever happens yeah so yeah so unfortunately uh for you guys the pause lasts until exactly one

week from today next friday so next week we probably still won't have an update unless unless they figure it out before friday but i think they're gonna figure it out on friday so in two weeks you'll probably know uh whether or not the apple watch is still for sale or not um but that's the update for now and we try to do our best to keep you as up to date as we can yeah but time moves so moves quick moves quick faster than we edit moves quick so we'll keep our eye on it with that let's uh let's take it to a quick trivia and ad break oh mariah was ready for that trivia around the trigger for that one all right all right ces is right around the corner ladies and gentlemen it's happening um the consumer electronics show is known for having some crazy inventions and tech

products but ces is also known for destroying your inbox with pr emails yes which of these products is not a real product that i've received an email about so option a is flappy and intelligent cat door flap for your door definitely real um option b is willow a smart wooden swing set that generates electricity for your backyard that's hold up for later okay option c jedzi which is a medical delivery drone for hospitals and option d which is saber a smart pepper spray device save your thoughts for later i just want to say ces is the only time where we can do name the fake one versus yeah yeah because normally ellis has to make three fake ones yeah but ces is so wild that that's what we can do there's a lot of it it's a lot i have ces tsd from going to cs2 i get it yeah i get it it works yeah well we'll think about those

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So we already know CES starts off the year. And I think for a lot of people, that's the bookend for the tech cycle for the entire year. CES at the beginning, end of the year stuff for the end of the year. But as someone who's, I'll call it extremely jaded, I've stopped paying as much attention to CES. I kind of still hope we see cool stuff at CES, but I ultimately think there's a couple diamonds in the rough, but then we start to get the heavy hitters moving out of CES into their own events.

I think trade shows overall are kind of losing interest. Like E3 is not even happening anymore. It's officially dead. MWC is also kind of quiet now. So I'm going to watch it, but I think for me, it's becoming the Samsung event at the beginning of the year that bookends the year for me. And so Unpacked, we have an announcement date. It is, well, let me check.uary 17 17 thank you which also real quick on date

does this feel like it gets pushed a week earlier and earlier when is it it's gonna be before ces soon enough i feel like as long as it doesn't move before new year's it's fine i that's what i was gonna say though at what point does this not just move till december it moves forward constantly i think they always want to be like one of the first ones out of the gate with the new snapdragon chipset yeah and that's like why they're doing that yeah i looked last year was february 9th i believe but i i know it's been in january before so maybe 2022 had it but yeah i just feel like it is creeping closer and closer no february yeah okay yeah they just went two weeks sooner this year. Sick.

So we're creeping up earlier into the year, but we're basically expecting some of the usual suspects, S24, S24+, S24 Ultra. And then there was this announcement or sort of a teaser that they posted that said Samsung AI. Mm-hmm. And I don't love or hate this. Like I kind of am looking forward to a lot of interesting AI things in 2024. We've had a lot of them in the past year or two. But Samsung AI, what does that mean? Bixby stuff?

Is that what that is? That would be interesting. It would be. I think that's a good word. Yeah. Interesting. What do you think is interesting? That Samsung's doing AI? Or do you think Bixby's coming back well i think bixby's dead i think this is the official death of bixby yeah well it could be a rebranding moment for

bixby it could be a total revamp for like bixby is this new multimodal focus of the phones or it could be some totally new samsung ai and they just dropped the Bixby name, and it's just Samsung AI. They could be pulling a Mr. Peanut, where they killed Mr. Peanut, and then they brought him back. Bigger and better. As a baby Bixby. Interesting.

Yeah, baby Groot type stuff. I don't know. I'm curious. I do think the AI thing will be very heavy focus for the entire year. Yeah. Samsung and Google have been weirdly tight-knit and close for the last like three years, too so like

Apparently assistant on like Bard with the Google assistant with Bard is launching fairly soon There's there was a bunch of rumors that were going out this week about it launching and then like the next couple weeks or months So maybe they like launch it on a galaxy device oh yeah i mean maybe but they're calling it samsung ai i think galaxy ai is what they called it galaxy ai i think that's what it's called in the teaser yeah so i would yeah galaxy ai is coming i really don't know what that means that's what i think it's that's why i think bixby's gone i think this is the new name let's rank this from worst possibilities to best possibilities. Worst possibility is it's a slight bump to Bixby as it already exists, and it's annoyingly bad.

No, there's a worst possibility, but go ahead. Okay. There's a button on the phone. But I think optimistically, Galaxy AI is a giant focus on software features that have AI behind them, powering them on the phones, and that can uniquely differentiate some of the things on this phone from other phones that come out. Do you have ideas? In my eyes, worst case scenario is we never get the Bixby speaker because now Bixby is dead. Still had hopes for it. Oh, the Galaxy Home. Technically it was called the Galaxy Home.

Yeah, the Galaxy Home AI now. But I think Bixby's gone completely. Wait, that's bad news? Is it the best case scenario or the worst case scenario? For the user experience, probably best case. But yeah, now what is your okay so my my best case scenario is that they just low-key integrate thing like transformer models into everything like apple the only the only times they've ever really mentioned ai is when they say

like transformers now uh are powering the keyboard i would love if like if sam Samsung keyboard got updated with a Transformer architecture in the background. If it was low-key stuff, that would be great. We know it's not going to be low-key stuff. This announcement suggests not low-key. Yeah. My worst case scenario is that they're going to have an on-device image generator. Do you know how they have the Samsung, like, Memojis? What do they call it?

Yeah. There's a name for it. There's too many. It's either Animoji or Memoji. Oh, there's too many. Yeah. They're probably going to, like, have some sort of AI Memoji thing. Just says emoji.

But my best guess is that they're going to have some random, like, image, AI image generator for some reason. Because Qualcomm has been, like, consistently, like, putting out tests of how quickly they can make an image on device. Right. Like, this is going to be, a lot of the features of the phone will be dependent on what Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 focuses on. So I assume if we already had the Snapdragon Summit already, they've talked about, okay, yes, the main chips, the main processors are more powerful, it's more efficient, yes,

but now we have all these new cores and capabilities for on-device AI stuff. So now it's up to every OEM to take advantage of those to differentiate their phone. Ooh, okay, we're Samsung, we're going to have some crazy on-dev device image generation or some large language model that does cool stuff with keyboards something like that they'll probably have like a wallpaper generator yeah yeah that's i think that's kind of cool which is fine it's

cool it's flashy for the presentation the thing that would be not flashy that i wish you would do and maybe other phones did and i feel like we talked about this with like an Amazon fire stick or something, but just like a chat bot that helps you with just like settings and things that are going on with your phone. Like the settings search tab is kind of a pain in the ass sometimes when you don't name something exactly what it is, but like context aware. Yeah. If it was context aware and could help you actually change settings and stuff on your phone, especially for people who don't know about phones very much it would help way more than a verizon store because a lot of those people have no idea what they're talking about true um and it would help all of us from when our um family calls us to help with their phone which is very hard to do

when they're talking on that phone and you have to teach them how to do so good point yeah so like i would love for just to open the settings tab and be like why are my pictures blurry or what is this but yeah it'll probably be flashy stuff like camera camera photo editing maybe i think wallpapers is a photo editing photo editing i think is like the most obvious magic eraser or something or generative fill i don't even know what google calls all this stuff. Generative fill or moving stuff around. Magic. Magic editor, magic eraser, magic, magic, magic. Magic, magic.

They'll call it Samsung AI magic. I think worst case scenario would be if Samsung created a Clippy-like creature that was Bixby that was just chilling in the bottom of your phone all the time. That's best case scenario. That's best case. That's game changer. Yeah. I want a little emoji. A little. What would best case scenario. That's best case. That's game changer. Yeah. I want a little emoji.

A little. What would Bixby look like? Clippy. I don't really want to think about it. Bixby is the one that would look like Clippy. I'm going like greenish. With a clown nose.

Like if the Pillsbury Doughboy was green and an alien, that's my, are you going to ask? I'm going to ask ChatGVT to make a photo of Clippy. Of Clippy or of Bixby? Sorry, of Bixby.

Okay. While you're on that, there were some very minor leaks of possible S24 features. Yeah. One of them was just a straight up ad that was on like a counter in some retail store that looked like it was the S24 Ultra. And it looks basically just like the S23 Ultra, but silver, maybe a titanium rail. Yeah. So from the back, it looks exactly the same as the S23 Ultra. There is a rumor that it might have a totally flat front. Which I'd be happy about. I think that would be awesome. Because they've been getting slightly more flat every year. They

had like peeled over the edges for S21 Ultra, and then they mostly flattened it for S22 and S23. Yeah. And they could go, the only phone that's really actually fully flat is the iPhone right for S21 Ultra, and then they mostly flattened it for S22 and S23. And they could go, the only phone that's really actually fully flat is the iPhone right now. Like, they just go straight 90 degrees on the corners. I'd be into flat phones. Do you remember the Note 20, the regular one? That was flat, right? Note 20.

Remember, there's two versions. And the Note 20 was like, everyone loved the form factor and everything, except that the specs were way worse. The Note 20 was the plastic one, right? I think so. It was the cheaper version of the two. Yeah, the glastic.

Glastic, yes. Yes. Yeah. I think, oh no, maybe that wasn't totally flat. The Note 25G. Wow, that had a huge bezel. The Ultra had the curves. I'm surprised they did that.

The Ultra had curves for sure. I just remember everyone liking the size and the form factor of the note 20 but the specs were so much worse compared to the note and when you buy a note you kind of want that but um yeah i don't know i think totally flat the other rumor though i do like about the s24 and s24 plus versions are supposedly they're flattening the edges kind kind of like the iPhone 11 to iPhone 12, where we had rounded edges versus flat edges on the side of it. The rails, I think that would be awesome. Yeah.

I honestly, I love my Zen phone. The ultra wide camera has left some to be desired. It's pretty soft. And I want a case for it. And just, there's not a lot of case options. S24, regular size. There's going to be way. It's pretty soft. And I want a case for it and just there's not a lot of case options. S24, regular, size,

there's going to be way more accessories, an extra triple camera. I might go to the S24. I might try it. I would throw a mini-OS on that though. I hate Samsung.

We'll see what happens. It's been a long time since I've used the Samsung skin. I hate what you do. Every time I daily a Samsung phone, I do have to spend

extra time making it usable software wise just for my own taste yeah i think i use nova launcher on my note at least is that so around yeah i don't i don't know weirdly enough though i apparently never took it out of the app drawer on my phone and it's kept moving and i just recently took it off my zen phone because it's moved to so many phones since then like i've never opened it but it's just been sitting there. And you can launch it from that icon and it'll jump into the launcher. Yeah I never

opened it again so I just recently got rid of it. Maybe I'll have to bring it back if I go S24 out but I'm kind of excited. Low key. Yeah well we got some car stuff to talk about too. Can I even call this a car or is this just It's totally a car it's a car just made

by a phone slash everything else you could also call it vapor but let's call it car for now let's try it okay so xiaomi they actually have one though there's one that's well you can make one everyone can make one yeah sony made a car yeah once yeah so okay xiaomi announced the su7 ev their first car it is fully electric it has all kinds of inspiration from the porsche taikan i mean if you see photos of this thing yeah 75 percent of it looks like a porsche taikan and there's some some slight adaptations for things like headlights and and handles but it it looks pretty good that's the one car it looks the most like which is a good looking car yeah but i can if you read that name though the su7 ev yeah it basically has suv and the title and i'm immediately thinking suv it's not an suv yeah it's very much a sedan it looks good it looks really good uh so yeah i think the highlight of it is the design

i'm gonna read the specs but i'm gonna careful'm going to read the specs, but I'm going to carefully... I think the highlight's the specs. Well, that's what I was going to say is I'm going to be careful to say that I don't believe that most of these specs will actually happen. So it is a highlight that they're trying this, but I'll read the specs. Let me just... Let me know what you think. Okay. Up to 35,000 RPM motor, 668 horsepower.

think okay up to 35 000 rpm motor 668 horsepower uh up to 800 kilometers of range in the so that's about 500 500 miles of range but wait but also a long range version that will ship later with 1200 kilometers of range 750 miles of range cool i wish okay i'll keep going 800 volt architecture so it can charge 137 miles in five minutes or you can add 317 miles in 15 minutes of charging not sure what charger uh hyper os so they have the software that matches the xiaomi smartphones and then all the design stuff that i'm sure you're seeing in the video version of this podcast do we think this car achieves a single one of these specs i think all of these or well not all of them two of them are very closely connected. And I don't think the charging is as absurd if you can believe the range. Because 317 miles in 15 minutes is a percentage of the battery in peak charging.

So if the battery is actually 750 miles, that seems totally plausible. But that would still imply you need to charge. Because we don't have a... Do we have a kilowatt hour size of the battery that they're promising i think they did have one i think it was like only like 113 it was not even that big oh let me see if they okay so maybe i'm wrong there but when i first see yes 15 minutes 317 miles sounds crazy but to a battery that's so big if you can keep peak charging for longer because logically that checks out there this is only a 73.6 for the standard and 101 for the long range so the same size as a tesla model 3 really less

yeah the 73 or the 73 is a tesla model 3 more or less 100 there are cars out there miles right yeah there are cars out there with 100 kilowatt hour battery packs yeah model s the model s and what's the range on that 407 on a good day 350 i think they claim the long range go about 400 yeah okay so this one's claiming they're claiming 750 yeah 750 like i at least if they claim like a reasonable range i might think that this car might exist but because they went straight to 700 miles of range i now don't think this car will ever exist that's i didn't realize the battery pack comparison of it i thought they're just kind of going crazy is xiaomi's test track just 700 miles of downhill it's actually gaining

battery the entire time it's just a wild yeah claim it's supposed to have a self-driving there was a video out there that showed it parking in a parking structure where it just like goes around in circles a bunch and then it like it almost hits a car but then it backs up and the other car goes around it and then it it parks in the most like inconvenient parking space that's the most believable thing about the car. Yeah. The fact that it will go park itself in a garage. Yeah. You know, they say it might be 2024 when this comes out. We're living in the year 2024.

I don't, I mean, I have to take it somewhat seriously because it's Xiaomi and they are really announcing it. And this isn't CES. Like this is an announcement of a car by itself. Yeah. If it, by the way, if you see a new car announced at CES, I'm just going to tell you to confidently assume that that car is never coming out don't yeah don't assume that you will ever be able to buy that car if they had announced this at ces we'd be like it's definitely

yeah that would be confirmation that's all the confirmation i need that this car is never coming out because it's its own event outside of ces i have to go all right well yeah i guess it's showing me doing a thing yeah i was just looking at old photos and i saw what was it called the nissan mxi or something from 2020 yeah yeah it's a cool looking car but it's super concept again yeah when you go to ces and the seats are like lighting up and there's no steering wheel enjoy the 10 seconds what yeah it's like 75 of the cars there was a bmw once that we sat in and it was so prototypey that when my cars tried to scoot through the back seat they were like wait wait can you step out and come to the other side of the door the middle of that seat is cardboard yeah it just it'll collapse it'll collapse yeah

so like if this was just a random ev startup that announced these i'd be like it's definitely not zero that would be zero percent but xiaomi makes like everything which is why it's just above zero but they actually make every yeah i mean yeah just above zero because if you if you ask me what company on planet earth has the best opportunity to show up out of nowhere and ship an ev with 750 miles of range on a 100 kilowatt hour battery xiaomi would be nowhere near the top of the list i would think okay who has the best most advanced battery tech and drive trains and efficiency we're talking about lucid tesla the absolute the the top stuff in ev world and xiaomi's never shipped a car so i mean they're they're confidently putting

models of this car in xiaomi stores which is easy to do you can put a model car in a store that's super super simple but i just don't believe that it will actually have those specs it is interesting though like david was saying that the fact that it's xiaomi and it's a big company and announcing this has way more risk for a large company that already has other products they have to worry about. Like if you just told me an EV is coming out with these specs, I'd be like, all right, it's a pickup truck from a company

I've never heard of. With a 300 kilowatt hour battery. Yeah, and the first thing on the website is pay us $300 to reserve your place in line right now. We'll go buy some stock next to it yeah um but the fact that a xiaomi does change this and like you said a bit more hopeful i think i'm a tad more hopeful than you i don't see it hitting those specs that's a lot like 750 miles out of nowhere but i trust xiaomi doing it more than the like random startup getting billions of dollars

from investment funds like yeah coming out of nowhere so if you had to assign a percent chance you think this car actually delivering with let's say 500 miles yeah let's say the standard version the 500 mile version what percent chance do you give this exact car does it have to be 2024 or just percent chance it comes out because that it comes out in the next two years because this is china they they they develop battery tech very quickly they do they ship the craziest fastest charging phones ever yeah yeah exactly so is that what's going to happen are we just going to get mind blowingly fast charging but you can't get it in the united states and they're not using they're definitely not using nacs right i give this 15 chance 15 that's actually more than i thought you were gonna say that's the same percent

um of andrew's diet think about it makes you think so 15 that it hits 500 miles in the next two years yeah next two years 15 of my diet is Cholula. Yes. You've been studying that board. I appreciate it. Yeah. I mean, it's hard to say. Like, they haven't given a price or release date yet.

Right. They said 2024. I think this is regardless of price. They could have said 60 grand. They could have said 600 grand. I still don't think you can give a 73 kilowatt hour battery yeah i don't i don't think ev companies have strayed away from being extremely expensive and still aren't hitting these numbers so xiaomi i don't think price has to do with it they also haven't said where they're gonna sell it which is sad

they probably won't sell it in the u.s yeah possibly not either way unless we're missing some really long range electric vehicle i'm gonna go 25 and say i'm being optimistic about it i'm gonna say 30 yeah price is right price is right i'm gonna give you guys some context um the most efficient lucid just from me googling it the entry level lucid air pure has a claimed 406 mile range on an 88 kilowatt hour battery and the ev everyone keeps telling me to check out which has solar panels on it has three wheels and i also don't think we'll ever ship but they talk about it a lot is the app Aptera EV. Oh. They claim up to 1,000 miles on a single charge.

That's that, like... And it looks like this. Yeah. Is that... Oh, yeah. Street? I guess it could be street. Is that the one that... There's all those other things.

That has, like, solar power? Yeah, it's got some solar power. Okay. But if you're not aware of what it is, yeah, it has three wheels. It's like... It doesn't look like a car it looks like it's supposed it looks like a science project that's supposed to get a thousand miles it looks like a car that would be in that the future if image it looks like a car you would buy and then

learn that the hummer ev and the cyber truck are on the roads and be like i'm never driving this on the road yeah ever driving again it has a hundred mile an hour top speed the app terra has a claimed 400 miles of range on the 40 kilowatt hour battery and a thousand mile range how much does it weigh though that thing's got to be 80 battery weight yeah yeah it also has solar panels so like yeah i guess but solar panels even on the smallest version of that are adding not a lot not all single digit miles every single company that's put solar panels on has even in their most optimistic market said like at best this is controlling your like air conditioning for the day yeah the prius prime that i tested when i left it parked outside for several several days gained several miles of range nice so yeah so there's that yeah yeah do with it what you may

it's xiaomi they announce crazy stuff sometimes i just want it looks really good it does we probably won't be able to buy it in the u.s but i would own this personally wow without even testing it probably doesn't have apple carplay or android auto or anything like that it definitely has android oh probably yeah definitely xiaomi but not carplay okay probably not carplay yeah that's fine that's bold you would own it i would own this for sure what's the okay one more question or shizzle maximum price you would pay to own it that i would pay yeah i wouldn't pay a lot for a car yeah but it's xiaomi so like mate i would say they're gonna try to sell this for Let's assume all the specs are true. 55,000 MSRP.

That'd be crazy. That would be like best bang for your buck. That'd be unreal. If it hit these numbers. I think that's what they're going to try to sell it for. The 400 mile base Lucid is about 80 grand. Yep. So, but it's Xiaomi.

It is Xiaomi. And they basically, if you go on their website and look at all their products, they're literal direct rip offs of other really expensive products. Oh, they're not shy about that. No. Their vacuum cleaner looks exactly like the Dyson vacuum cleaner. Like, all of their stuff is pretty much exactly a ripoff. We shall see.

But it's way cheaper. So, we'll see. We'll see. Yeah. All right. Speaking of EV news. Oh, I saw this. of ev news oh i saw this uh basically at the very end of last year porsche and aston martin announced this new car play that apple had originally announced at wwdc 2022 which is a

long time ago it was a very weird very am i in a huge state i have so many thoughts portion of wwdc where apple was just like in the future all of the cars are going to be completely controlled by your iphone all of the screens are going to have all this information and it was all a bunch of mock-ups and they didn't announce anything real and then we didn't hear anything for like an entire year but just moved on they had announced that by the end of 2023 they would be able to have announcements about it actually coming true and literally at the very very end of 2023 they put out a little press release with uh porsche and aston martin talking about this next generation of carplay didn't they also say that 80 of people wouldn't buy a new car

unless it had carplay that's that might have been another apple quote yeah i'm pretty sure that it was a wild stat clearly not true the model y does not have carplay that's that might have been another apple quote yeah i'm pretty sure that it was a wild stat the model y does not have carplay that's the most popular car in the world they like they only uh asked people in cupertino yeah looking to buy a new car yeah they went around on the apple campus and they're like hey i need a i need a little survey here i need a quote it's like when you're in high school and you have to do a survey for a class. You ask like 14 people and they're like, my data. My data.

You just ask your friends. Yeah. First of all, I think, yes, CarPlay, if we just stick with CarPlay, is an important feature for a lot of people in cars. Why? Because most in-car software sucks. Like real bad. Horrible. CarPlay, not that great,

but better than car software. So very, very bad. This mock-up of it, like taking over your whole car would seem to make sense because again, what car is going to have better software than what Apple can make, right? Everyone just wants their phone anyway. So like, why not just give people their car just being their whole phone? And Apple doesn make a car yet so i guess this is the apple car you know uh the press announcement showed they said porsche and aston martin porsche didn't really give any model numbers aston martin did say that next year's db12 would have this full carplay thing on the screens which if you look up photos of the interior of the Aston Martin DB12, the 2024 DB12, there are physical buttons for lots of the same things that show up on the screen.

Like your air conditioning and your media, like your volume, all of that, there are knobs and buttons on the car already. So they'll have a physical button and a digital button. How is that a good idea? How is that a useful, like, how is that a good use of is that a useful like how is that a good use of space it's gonna be very redundant yeah it seems weird yeah to me so i don't i want to throw in there i'm pro physical buttons me too all in a car not all but climate control easily accessible

physical buttons yes pretty much everything i think you could probably get a there's not a lot of things almost every human agrees on but i think one of them is that physical buttons for things like that are better than digital buttons in a car yeah in a car for sure when you you should be keeping your eyes on the road yes and you want to reach and have real haptic feedback about what like you're moving and adjusting physical buttons are better so this car play taking over your whole screen your whole dashboard maybe there's a secondary screen in your car i don't think every car of the future is going to have to have all screen i think that's an aesthetic that got popular because tesla got with EVs. And part of making an EV affordable is cost-cutting around the expensive battery.

So Model S and Model 3, they have incredible batteries and drivetrains, but then they've cost-cut everywhere else. Take away the screen, take away the buttons, take away everything, it's super minimal. And so because Tesla's are so popular, all these other car manufacturers are going, oh, this is getting popular popular maybe we do that too and so you're seeing all these super minimal interiors

come out but that's not actually what's popular about the car i think people are buying the ev for the ev reason and are dealing with and are okay with the whole screen thing but i think we all still know that physical buttons are better than digital buttons. So this weird like head fake that we're doing towards all car play on your car, but also in cars that have regular buttons is kind of weird because I think we're in a couple of years going to realize we're just going to have regular cars with buttons again. So it's weird. Well, you still need your car to work if you don't have an iphone right so it's like i feel like that's why they're doing all the physical buttons in conjunction because even though they're going to have the digital button option with all the carplay stuff you still need to be able to control your car if either you don't have an iphone or if you're don't want to plug your iphone in yeah i guess so if it's still the next gen carplay this is still a projection from your phone like this isn't built into the car like

android automotive but it's well no this next generation carplay is supposed to have access to all of your car's features so you're supposed to be able to like control the temperature so it'll show your speedometer and your range and your rpms if it's a gas car yeah but you still need your iphone for that to work for the carplay to work yeah so if you don't have your iphone if your iphone is dead it's still gonna back up to whatever aston martin software is underneath it that's actually a good point i had not thought about if that's the case because i'm not sure i i assume it needs your iphone but it could be not sure yeah like current carplay needs your iphone will this next gen carplay be built into the car like android

automotive or will it still be like carplay and god that's actually an interesting question that's a great you have android automotive but an iphone can you still connect and do basic like you can connect your iphone to just do like music and stuff like that right yeah yeah exactly so i guess it if it's built in it's the best case scenario because then even if you don't have an iphone you can at least do the minimal things like contacts and whatever and then just it's an apple ui for the rest of your car your phone will be like your car will be like another device in your apple account basically yeah when i first thought about like adjusting climates and everything like that in carplay i was like well i'll just use my knobs for that and carplay for everything else but like a lot of these pictures that they're showing of like renders of it are showing climate controls and

everything like that so they do want that in there and it is both the way i see it is like i'm just gonna use my knobs for the stuff i want to use and then hopefully just customize the screen enough to i'm never gonna touch my heated seat button on the screen never gonna touch my climate control on the screen it's gonna have my maps it's gonna have my music and you know what this all my cool skin on my i fully i. I would do exactly what you're doing. But then, yeah. It comes down to, again, the question that we've asked many times on this podcast before. What do you think will happen first?

A car company deciding to spend the money on software and become a good software company as well so that they don't have to rely on Apple putting all their stuff on the car screen or a tech company becoming a good car company so something like tesla or xiaomi or apple or whatever yeah who's already really good at software getting really good at the car part you know panel gaps build quality materials we talk about all that all the time which do you think will happen first yeah you know so theoretically becoming a car company

should be much harder historically than uh hiring a good software team uh but i think we kind of talked about this a little bit yesterday like for some reason these traditional auto manufacturers just like don't want to hire a software division to maintain good software and they're really good so they have software divisions but they're not a focus that's like pushing not a soft pushing boundaries yeah right and i think they don't want to do that because people currently aren't buying cars for the software people are currently like if you're buying an expensive car like a porsche they're buying because it's a porsche or if they're buying a honda civic they're buying it because it's a Porsche. Or if they're buying a Honda Civic, they're buying it because it's a Honda Civic.

But I don't think right now software is like a major reason that people buy cars. And so that's why they're so likely to just be like, oh, Android Auto or CarPlay. Just like off the shelf, put it in. We don't even have to hire a software team. Yeah. hire a software team yeah but slowly these these startups like rivian are coming and like devoting these really big software teams to the interior software of the car and that is a major selling point for people that are the early adopters of evs but as evs become normal cars by 2030 when it's illegal to buy a nice car in the United States. Like, what is that going to look like? Yeah. So people up until, let's say, 2020 didn't really think too hard about the software built

into the car. It's just whatever. I'll get CarPlay and that'll be fine. Yeah. But people buying new cars in 2024 and beyond are going to start to care about the software because a lot of them will be EVs and the software will matter yeah and a lot of them are younger people who care about the software let's be honest so it almost feels like tesla's success kind of tricked a lot of the car industry into some of the wrong focuses yeah weird yeah i do think a fully compatible like android auto or carplay car in an ideal world is the best option because those two software manufacturers are so much better than even the software software car companies are currently and i think they have such a head start i don't see tesla ravine ever catching up to them and the software function plus if we always talk about tesla and the ecosystem of charging and being

inside your tesla all the time what's a better ecosystem than your car being connected to your actual ecosystem of your phone and your like all your smart stuff yeah it almost feels like the only possible way to get that ecosystem integration is for it to be the carplay thing like if you use like if i use tesla as an example their app on the phone is phenomenal it's the best i've ever used for any car you can do you can send instructions to the car you can preheat the car you can have schedules for charging there's all sorts of things that plug into it yeah and and by the way and this is separate from the car like if you have a tes solar roof system, there's all the software that talks to the car where I literally have it where if my car is plugged in, while it's sunny outside, it will only use the excess energy from the solar that the house isn't using to charge the car.

Insane. I couldn't even dream of doing that with, I don't think the Taycan has anywhere near that functionality. So the integration in Tesla's ecosystem ecosystem is great but if you still want the texts from your phone or the apps on your phone you kind of need carplay i think there's a specific phrase you used in there that's so important and really important for a lot of people saying like rivian and tesla already have really good software which is it is the best i've used in any car mm-hmm any the best car software right now from tesla and rivian and whoever is like still worse than an ipad c level like like actual tablets and and ui and software from these big companies yeah that's my favorite

part about watching some car reviews is someone go oh yeah the the in-car infotainment is really good and they'll swipe across and it'll be like this horrible janky animation like if i reviewed an ipad and did that you'd be like what is wrong with this yeah this is horrible i just like anytime you think car software is really good imagine that yeah being on an ipad or in a phone review that we were doing right now and people would be like you thought that was a good are you serious you can't be kidding yeah an interesting angle of this is that that with the new carplay is that depending on the manufacturer they're going to skin carplay to be based around the manufacturer's car i want to customize my i think it's well i think it's important i think it's important yes for especially for the car manufacturers right they don't really want you to get into a porsche

and then everything around you is apple ui right colorful like yeah everyone else is yeah it makes a lot more sense for you to get into the Porsche and everything is sort of Porsche themed, but still has all your phone functionality. And as a car manufacturer, like I think a big reason that there's sort of this tension where they don't want to give all the power to Apple is that they don't want to just be like, oh yeah, half of your experience is dictated by not us. So the fact that they themselves can skin it and make it feel like it's a first, it's going to feel more

first party even though it's a third party thing. Yeah, that's why I think this this CarPlay thing has to be a stop gap between the car companies eventually going, alright, we got to get good at software. And we're not good at it now, so you know what? If we can

work with Apple and they can deliver a great experience experience we can keep selling cars to these new people who care about the software experience yeah but we're eventually we can't just give it up yeah so i think this is a stopgap once evs get a lot more popular and prevalent and there's cheaper ones like the tesla model 2 or like a rivian2. Is that what it's called, R2? The platform, yeah. Yeah, okay. Then I think that it's going to be a much more major thing that traditional automakers like Honda or Toyota

actually have to consider because people that are going to be buying the most cars are going to be like millennials and Gen Z. Yeah. So that's the reason why I think Google and apple will prevail because they're gonna see more companies going towards their own software and they're gonna be like hold on a minute we want to be in these cars this is this is our opportunity to make more money or our opportunity we're possibly losing money because now people aren't using carplay or android auto they want

data as much as possible if you start taking away driving data from them you start running into some issues i wouldn't doubt if they're gonna start i mean like they're gonna want to make deals with car companies and be the thing inside as much as they can oh yeah it's an easy selling point hey why pay a software team yeah just pay us or we'll pay you to be inside this car. Well, here's a question for you guys. Would you prefer a really good like Rivian or Tesla UI that's just really good? Or would you prefer CarPlay or Android Auto? I think there's an obvious answer there.

Really? I think if both of them are at absolute peak, you want the one that's also connected to all the other tech that you use. I actually don't. I like my car software being like separate from my phone. I think that's like a small, wait, same? No, I think that's like a small personal thing where it's like, I think in Peak, if they were absolutely perfect on both sides,

you would want it connected to everything else. I think that if it was skinned to feel native and but it was actually car player android auto then i would be okay with it yeah yeah but i prefer like the tesla ui or the rivian ui to carplay and android auto but i i see what you're saying about yeah that's what i'm saying like if it was perfect in both scenarios you would want it i would want the one that's connected to everything yeah because we all we all want something in our ecosystem it's because it's what you're the most familiar with too it's already plugged into everything yeah summer summary of everything is the the legitimate older car companies have a head start in the making cars thing and they're trying to figure out how to solve for all the downsides that they have with

software and this feels like a patch for now the software companies have a huge head start when it comes to the software tesla rivian maybe even xiaomi who knows but they are trying to figure out all of the shortcomings that they have with the whole making cars thing batteries range build quality panel gaps whatever tonneau covers tonneau covers so they're they're both working on their shortcomings and the patch for now seems like good car good software combined please buy our car that's my summary okay we have to take a quick break. Yeah, sorry. I feel like Mariah's been on the trivia button

for like half an hour because our notes were like three sentences and then that was 30 minutes. Yeah, hit the button. There it is. All right. All right, friends, I don't know if you're ready for this one.

So this is a special interest topic. So RuneScape is a browser-based fantasy game. No, no, no, hear me out. Originally released in 2001 by the company Jagex, with over 200 million registered accounts, it's the world's most popular free-to-play MMORPG. Still? To be determined.

Oh, registered accounts. Yeah. RuneScape is known for many things but especially their staggeringly large music library in 2017 they were awarded with the genis world record for most original pieces of music in a video game as of november 27th of 2023 how many total songs are there in ruinscape itcape? It's a multiple choice answer. Don't be scared. Okay. Is that all of RuneScape?

Oh, like old school and RuneScape 3? Because are there different songs? I think it's just like in the newest version. So RuneScape 3? Yeah. Is RuneScape 3 considered the newest version anymore or is old school considered the newest version? None of this is going to help me answer that.

You know, don't worry about it. I've never played RuneScape. You don't need to play to know i didn't even know this okay so i still don't mariah famously has a runescape desk mat at her desk so not anymore not anymore oh yeah you swap that yeah you're wearing a runescape shirt though this is my christmas that's a runescape oh actually it's it's based on one of the songs it is oh god all right option a It is. Oh, God. All right. Option A, 1,589 songs. I could see that. Option B, 1,362 songs.

This is not a large variation. Also too many. Option C, 1,027 songs, or D, 856 songs. Those are all way too many. Those numbers are way too close to each other. I was thinking it would be like 64 songs. They're good songs, by the way. 190 songs.

1,000 songs. 10,000 songs. Yeah, that's what I would do. Just saying, I don't know if it helps at all, but you can get something in the game called a music cape, correct? Yes. Yeah, so if you unlock all of the songs, you get a piece of equipment based on unlocking

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late yeah i wanted to go over our individual favorite pieces of tech from 2023 something we started using in 2023 that we think like kind of changed our workflow or that we just really positively liked um it's always a little fun i like recommendation sections uh gadget lab from wired actually did a full recommendation episode for the last week of 2023 uh so i thought it would be fun to have a little recommendation section so i think we're going to do three products each and we're going to go in a little round table so we're going to start off with marquez and uh it doesn't have to be something that released in 2023 just something you started using that you really like oh i love how in this for audio listeners randomly after an ad break

people hosts of this show will just be wearing smart glasses oh i didn't even realize marquez doesn't even wear normal sunglasses except for these indoors all the time yeah uh spoiler sorry i'm picking i'm picking the ray-bans meta smart glasses as my first pick these things i mean i don't know i don't like you said i don't wear sunglasses that much but they surprise me at how like just overall as a package they managed to fit a lot of fun smart features in things that look like just regular sunglasses and they actually get david's wearing the clear ones so you could kind of just wear them and then are those the transitions right too or no uh yeah i think they are so they turn into sunglasses they're not full sunglasses they're not like nearly like yours but they tint you know yeah personally i think that wearing the sunglasses ones is probably a better option because if you wear clear glasses when you

don't normally wear clear glasses then they're like what are you wearing like what are you doing but if i'm walking through the city like the pov videos that you can get of just like walking around or whatever activity you're doing are actually pretty solid from yeah so just for that feature alone i thought these are really cool um i've been wanting to do more POV driving videos for autofocus and struggling to find safe ways to do that. So this has been an actual workflow game changer for that too. So yeah, I'm liking these.

The video quality is really good. The sound quality is surprisingly good. It kind of shoots sound into your ears, directional audio. And then they're like one of the first multimodal AI products as well. MARK MANDELBAUM- Exactly. I've been testing the, hey, Meta, look and tell me what you see.

It's going to start reading to me now. MARK MIRCHANDANI- We did this a couple weeks ago. Do you want me to? ANDREW BROGDONI- Oh, it didn't do it? MARK MIRCHANDANI- It didn't do it that time. ANDREW BROGDONI- That's fine. We're in the early stages. MARK MIRCHANDANI- This is my favorite piece. Why did it not work? ANDREW BRO this is my favorite piece why did it not work all right andrew my turn all right yeah i have for show and tell today oh oh if you couldn't guess because i won't stop talking

about keyboards in the last couple months this is the omnitype bauerauer Lite which is a keyboard from a company named Omnitype they're famous for an older very expensive very low inventory keyboard called the Bauer 2 but they made a Lite version which is polycarbonate

it's $100, $120 and it's like in stock inventory which is really cool and really a newer thing in the keyboard community that's happening right now um and they were nice enough to send me one and when i was on paternity leave i built them and now i've built like 10 keyboards and i've been having so much fun with it um this one i brought specifically is like i think sounds and feels so good um i'm like obsessed with it it is um yeah it's a polycarbonate board it's hot swap i have switches from kinetic labs they're called

the kinetic lab moon switches which are actually hand lubed from the factory so they sound really nice without any effort um and a nice game boy theme keycap set called gmk dmg gonna do a little typing test yeah i could listen to that all day inject that in my brain i have dove head first into the keyboard hobby yeah to the point where before I left for paternity leave, I had built my first keyboard to now I am back from it. And I have like 20 of them and a keyboard YouTube channel. So this is where we've gone. I have a question. Yeah. So I love all these, these like niche, like super deep dive into hobbies that we do. And I always, I, I, I've started getting to keyboards more. And so I've come to appreciate much more the different sounds and feels that you

get from a keyboard why does the lightness of it matter the light of how light this is yeah this is just light because polycarbonate is cheaper than cnc aluminum yeah so the reason i'm actually working on a video right now on this for the studio channel but the reason you can just stamp and mold polycarbonate whereas before the bauer 2 that they were making, he said it took over. Like super heavy. Yeah, because it's aluminum. But it took more than a year to make 500 of them and 8,000 people signed up for the raffle. So that's just not an option for smaller companies or even some bigger companies to make stuff like that.

companies to make stuff like that um places like keychron do do aluminum bodies and they're great at in-stock stuff and there's way more companies doing in-stock things right now which is really cool um all this i'm working on in the video that i'm doing right now but polycarbonate is nice i like the lightness of this just for like bringing it to work was nice i think i do still like my heavy keyboard playing games because it like sits in its spot do you bring this back and forth every day not every day um I'll probably leave this one at work I built a bunch at home I'll probably leave them at work to just use this props because I obviously don't need yeah 20 keyboards um but yeah I've just been building a lot of different ones trying different sounds and feels and stuff and I've been taking videos of all of them and posting typing tests

plug your channel yeah I want you guys what do you think of this channel name it's called l-m-n-o key i love it that's nice it's really good that's a cool channel it's a really good time it's just me and my friend typing pretty much i love it very low key but yeah this one omni type bauer light big fan i liked the keyboard yule log i made a keyboard yule log it's an hour hour of typing with fireplace crackling. Did you type for an hour or did you loop it? Did you type for an hour? I typed for 10 minutes and then looped it.

I debated typing Christmas songs during it, but that was too much work. Yeah, that reminds me. I used to bring my, when I worked at Intel, I brought my happy hacking keyboard to work every day. He had a carrying case. I had a carrying case for it There was a period of time as well that I brought my erga Docs to work

Yeah And I used to eat ramen at my desk while typing the nerga Docs is like a split hand keyboard This yeah put something in the center keyboards look really Someone clip that I just want like this. Yeah, I had a wood case and Elvin keycaps from Lord of the Rings. It was pretty amazing. And a RuneScape mousepad. All right. My, I think, favorite piece of tech from this year is software.

We've talked about this before. It's ArcBrowser. They're a cool startup. You have to pull it out of your computer to show it to us. Yeah. I've got a sticker on my laptop. Oh, okay. They're a cool startup. You have to pull it out of your computer to show it to us. Yeah. I've got a sticker on my laptop. Oh, okay. They're a very fun startup.

I don't really know how they're going to make money, and they don't really either. They have some random ideas, but for now, they're running on some runway. But, yeah, it's hard to get me to switch a piece of software or technology that I use all the time. me to switch a piece of software or technology that i use all the time and i i generally will try things for like a day and then i'll be like no i like going back to my other thing um i think i described arc very badly the last time we talked about it i was like it kind of gets rid of your tabs and then it can kind of do this stuff and uh it cleans your room for you yeah i kind of yeah i famously am really really terrible at tab management so at a certain amount of time uh like 12 hours later it will clear all your tabs

and you can have different spaces so i have like a workspace a personal space um and then like a website management space just all these different things it's got boosts now that came out this year which is like you can basically modify the code for a website to look however you want. You can turn it pink. You can get rid of certain things. They had this funny little, uh, ad that came out when Twitter,

when Twitter blue came out that like removed the Twitter blue tab and removed all these things just to like clean up. I don't know. It's just a, it's a very fun, uh, startup with a very fun browser and most browsers are so stagnant they're just it's apple's browser microsoft's browser google's browser yeah so it's like they're not playing with fun quirky interesting features yeah

they're quirky i think would you say firefox is no no no i'm just sad you didn't say um no i would say though it is stagnant but to But to David's point here is, it's really hard to change things that you use for a very long time. And a browser, I'm using Firefox because I started years ago. And I don't know why I use it over Chrome. I'm just used to seeing it like that anyways.

And I just haven't made the change. So that's a big change. So it's gotta be a fairly solid product if you've made that change. Yeah, I was gonna say the same thing. There's a small list of software that if I change it, which I do once in a while, it's a really big deal to me, which is my to-do list app, my email app,

my calendar app, my video editing app, and my browser. They're like, I'll have one for years at a time, and if I find one, I might try it for a day and then come back to the one I like. And find another one, try it for a day, come back to the one I like. But if I change from Premiere to Final Cut, my life is changed. If I change from Safari to Arc, which I did,

huge change. So I like it a lot. Also, Arc is doing something kind of crazy and unprecedented where they're unprecedented. I like presidented. Un Also, Arc is doing something kind of crazy and unprecedented where they're unprecedented. I like presidented. Unprecedented. They're basically doing something called Swift on Windows, which effectively they didn't want to write a whole code base. Right now it's only Mac OS, and so they wrote it for Swift because Swift is, like, a much newer, cleaner thing.

And they didn't want to use some of these platform switcher applications. So they're making this thing called Swift on Windows where basically they can just write it for Swift and then theoretically can make it run on Windows. They can make it run on Android. And they have an iPhone app right now, but they're going to completely revamp it because it's not really a browser app.

It's sort of just like you can only have one tab open at a time and you can pin things to your, to your browser on your laptop, but it's a very big undertaking. I think because they made a browser and they don't see it really obvious path to monetization, they're trying to figure out how they could monetize this. Um, but they're, they're quirky and fun. And that's just kind of the reason that i kind of have stuck with them from uh since the beginning of the year nice but we'll see if they're making these hats too just saying they do make nice hats oh that's how they can make money dig their hat yeah on the hats yeah merch baby they have a pretty rabid uh fan base that is like always a good thing yeah

loyalty is nice very loyal fan base and surprisingly they uh like every week they update the app on thursday of every week and add a fee pretty much add a feature every week which is cool they now have it on their youtube channel they put out like feature update videos every week and those videos get close to 100 000 views every week now that's where you make youtube creators now that's maybe yeah they're youtubers though that's, though. So yeah, it was fun using that this year. Nice. All right, product number two, Marques. My next one is extremely expensive.

Hopefully you guys have less expensive things. Put the affiliate code in there. Yeah. I love the Rivian R1S. That is expensive. It's the most well-rounded most i i had almost only good things to say about this ev which is very rare for me and i mean we test all kinds of vehicles cars suvs pickup trucks all sorts of stuff like that i had like nothing negative to say about

the rivian r1s and my first exposure to it was i think in 2022 but it started shipping in 2023 and i reviewed it in 2023 and um yeah there's a lot of things that i like about it so i'm there's also an easter egg in the video that i made about it which you guys will probably understand sometime later in 2024 but uh yeah that's really big i don't even know what you're talking about or i don't think i know what you're talking about so yeah that i mean it's expensive it's it's i'm starting to see a lot more of them on the road which i think is a good sign for rivian as a company i see them everywhere it's selling way better than the truck yeah so that's cool but yeah i just i'm shouting it out because i think it's amazing i think r2s and r2t will be much more interesting for the

masses because they're trying to bring most of the capabilities that most people need on the street down in price to an attainable level. I want it. I think it's going to be great. What if I want a sedan? Can Rivian make a sedan? A sedan. So Rivian has this adventure type of theme, I would say.

Make an adventure sedan. I think an adventure sedan would be interesting. Or like a cross track. Yeah. I think that adventure sedan would be interesting. Or a cross, like a cross track. Yeah. I think that's a popular vehicle category. So the pickup truck, technically the most popular vehicle in America is a pickup truck and they started with a competitor to it. And I think the big three row sedan

is another very popular category that may be an adventure thing. Three row SUV. Sorry. Three row SUV. But I think the big crossover or sedan big sedan could be another thing for them to aim for. Because the Subaru Solterra was so bad. If they made like a Solterra competitor that was actually good, I would be so happy.

I would do that in a heartbeat. I want the R2 so bad. Slightly bigger, similar size to my Forester, if that's the case. Yeah. I'd be very, happy again i think i i put my demands out there that might be two row what because r1s is a small three row maybe r2s is yeah r2s i would assume is going to be a two row but still decent trunk space yeah if it's

still got like the cool boxy look of rivian and it still has like some of the cool like a front trunk because a lot of times i feel like when you start going to the smaller suv they start getting rid of the front trunk yeah i still want it and i think is uniquely building ev from the ground up where some of the ones i get rid of the front trunk are just not they're just late they're not building an ev from the ground up in that way i have a real i feel like i'm gonna reserve the r2 s as long as you're not planning on having three more kids, then you could get that car. They can find their own car.

One of them can go in the front trunk. Then you're getting that white Chevy minivan, baby. It's on. On to Odyssey. R1S, that's my shout out. That's awesome. I'm going to shout out something. So I don't use it, but we have it in the office.

And I think it's really, really cool. And unless you see it, so I'll try and describe it. It sounds kind of lame, but I think it's awesome. It's the Corsair Platform 6 sit-stand desk that we got recently. Oh, I like that. That's pretty damn cool. I thought a lot about getting one.

Yeah? I really like it. So they sent us one and we put it in our gaming room. And it's like a, C corsair is obviously a gaming company this desk doesn't scream gamer as hard though it's like a nice wooden platform it has kind of like its own adjustable pegboard backing so you can add all these different customized like shelves and hooks and like there's side plates that come out to extend the desk left and right there's pegboards that can go on the side it's autumn it's sit stand it just has like all these really awesome customizing things on it

without looking without like looking like a real desk because here's the thing i could see having this in a garage and using it as like a workshop desk it probably workshop desk probably should be a little sturdier or like thicker just if you're like using a saw and stuff yeah i mean like soldering and that kind of yeah yeah fair i mean this is this is it's just a really nice looking desk that has all the customized customization that you would like ever want like we have really nice speakers up on the side of it and everything right now my studio monitors are on the desk and they they've been on my desk for years but the the thought of being able to get them up off the desk at your ear level but then have where you reclaim the desk space underneath it that that's and still has all sorts of great

things for like cable management and stuff like that and places for arms like essentially you can create this with like almost nothing sitting on the desk except for what you want and have your monitor and computer set up in all different places and i don't it's just a really sick desk i don't even know how much it is it's probably pretty expensive but it's on sale it's on sale baby for how much uh it's only 30 off but it is i don't know uh it's 848 as of right now that's not that bad for a desk for a motorized sit-stand desk, there's obviously better or cheaper options out there,

but I don't think that's terrible. Yeah. I spent a lot on my desk. But yeah, I think it's really sick. I think, I don't know if we've done, have we done an A-roll set

in the gaming room since we changed that? No, I will though. Alex did one. Alex might have shot for a video that's not out yet, but I think it looks great and it's going to be a really good you have just for our set purposes being able to

customize it it's really nice the pegboard is really awesome yeah i like that a lot good job all right my second one uh is i promise not sponsored uh but the eight sleep mattress topper pad interesting go on okay this thing is so sick i love mine yeah we got like yeah we got it originally for a sponsorship yep um well basically they they reached out they wanted to sponsor us i said i will have to try it first and if i like it then we'll do a sponsor and then i loved it yeah the sponsor right so they have a full mattress option and then they just have a mattress topper i got the topper because I already have a mattress that I really like. But effectively, it's this high tech sleep mattress topper that can cool you and heat you at different times of the night.

It uses like intelligent machine learning or whatever to like change the temperature over the course of the night so that you sleep better. machine learning or whatever to like change the temperature over the course of the night so that you sleep better it has all these trackers to like tell you how you slept and like say when you should go to bed the app is weirdly well designed it is pretty good yeah yeah like it's it's a very high quality product with a very high quality app and honestly it has made me sleep significantly better since i've had it yeah um it's crazy crazy, too, because every morning it gives you this sleep score to tell you how well you slept. And my sleep score always correlates with how good I feel, which is crazy. Like if it's like, oh, you slept terribly. You got a 63.

I'm like, yeah, I know. I feel like crap. But if I'm like if I wake up and I'm like, wow, I feel incredible. It's always like 98. wake up and i'm like wow i feel incredible it's always like 98 um and it'll change the temperature over the core like as it gets closer to you waking up to help you wake up more naturally and at a point in your like circadian rhythm where it's you feel better waking i mean just waking up to it being like a little warmer is nice or getting into bed with it being like or cooler depending on the yeah yeah and it can also

vibrate to wake you up which is kind of weird i don't use that it's pretty low they just updated it did they okay i haven't tried it again since then yeah i have one major gripe with it which i is very small and i don't know how they would change it so if you want to like go take a nap in your bed in the middle of the day and it's cold in your room because there's water flowing through without it changing the temperature like the bed is cold when you get into it yeah which is like so small and i'm more of a couch napper but like so you'd have to heat it up ahead of time well because it starts heating up based on like when you said as a bedtime all right well no no but like if you're if you would prefer to be a little warmer. Oh, then you can go on the app and do it.

Yeah, but if you're just like, oh man, I'm pretty exhausted at two o'clock. I'm gonna go take a nap in bed. It's just like cold because it's just water that's sitting in a cold room. Yeah. So very minor grape. Yeah.

Still absolutely love it. Two things. One, it's hilarious that my bed got a software update. But two is I think I got home from an overnight thing once, and so I got in bed to go to sleep at 6 a.m. or something, and it just turned on. It just figured it out, realized that I was... And I still got a horrible sleep score,

but it realized that I was getting into bed at a crazy time, and I was like, all right. Because it's got the sensors, the heart rate monitor, everything is built into the mattress topper. It knows a weird amount about you. Yeah. It's kind of crazy. Maybe a little too much about you.

Yeah. It is also on sale. What? Not a sponsor. It is a very expensive product. It's very expensive. It's $2,500 for the mattress topper, which I know is a ton. And some of those features are behind a paywall as well.

Yeah, behind a subscription. You don't need the subscription, right? You really don't need it. No, I think some of the way, I think the like it changing, because like you can set what points of temperature you want over. It's like when you go to bed, when you hit light sleep, when you hit deep sleep, when you wake up. But I think the automatic changing of that based on your movement and stuff

is behind the paywall. Oh, is it? Yeah. Interesting. It's like autopilot. is behind the paywall. Oh, is it? Yeah. Interesting. It's like autopilot. Okay. Well, yeah. I really like it.

I have slept way better in the last six months since I've had it. Unless you have a water-cooled bed. Have you gotten to the point where it's harder to sleep in other beds? That's an interesting question. Because I wasn't sure if I was actually sleeping better in the 8 Sleep. I thought, wow, I feel like I am going to sleep faster and then i tried to sleep in a hotel bed and i was like i'm cooking okay hotel beds suck well man i disagree with both i've really enjoyed i think hotel beds are usually pretty good and at least for me and i i've started

feeling like wow these are too hot now interesting i, the reason I still sleep okay in a hotel bed is because I'm not paying the electricity bill of what I set the HVAC to when I go into a hotel room. That's very dad of you, Andrew. Yeah, exactly. So I'm cranking that to whatever preferred temperature I want. But then in the morning, it's still 64 degrees and you have to get out of bed when it's cold, which is tough.

I like the feature where it had hit zero cooling or heating like an hour before I wake up. But as I'm waking up, it gets colder and it sort of nudges me out of bed by getting colder. And that works really well. See, that's probably why my sleep score sucks because I make it get warmer and then I'm like, I don't want to leave. I have never once wanted my bed to be warm. So I have never, I don't have it get warm ever. I'm a cozy boy, I guess.

There you go. Yeah. Anyway. All right. Cool product. warm ever. I'm a cozy boy, I guess. There you go. Yeah. Anyway. All right. Cool product. Last round. Let's do a speed round. Okay.

Last, last item for me. I recently started using this set of in-ear monitors by 64 Audio. I don't know how to pronounce the name, but I'm going to try, which might be a mistake. I think it's called the Velour. But they're IEMs. I, back in high school, I have this memory of every time during like homeroom and study hall I just had my Zune HD and my in-ear monitors and I would just zen out and not talk to anyone and just listen to music for hours and that was that memory was like a core

memory that was unlocked when I just went back to starting to use in-ear monitors again because you start hearing things in the music that you didn't realize were there because you've only heard them on headphones you've only heard them on speakers I've been listening to these I've been editing with these a little bit they're very versatile very expensive also uh but I'm giving them a shout out because I don't have anything bad to say about them yet so I made the mistake of opening them and trying them and then handing them to you and not trying them for longer because now they haven't left your desk since i gave them to you for a while yeah they're actually in his ears right now it's it's funny what you unlock when you find a new better listening experience i uh i have this turntable

that i've had for a long time and i i have like 500 records but they're all at my mom's house because I was that weird kid in high school who was like super into records uh but I finally like got a couple new records and put them on my turntable at home and I'm like damn this sounds so good yeah it sounds way better so I am excited I want to I want to try your IEM I'm editing I'm like hearing things I've never heard from the microphone like there are there are cars outside in the parking lot that I see the levels on the mix pre or at zero so I'm like I think we can keep talking like I don't hear I don't see it on the levels and then I hear in the I am so I'm like this is so much so I hear everything I hear my I hear the hairs growing out of my face anyway okay what's your pick um this is definitely something that came out in 2022 and the thing i'm looking forward to got delayed till 2024 so using it as a 2023 thing is maybe not the best but um the pulsar x2 wireless gaming mouse i've used before pulsar pulsar

pulsar um it's just a mouse that i loved it was fantastic i was using the random frank p version but they do all these really good collabs and designs and they're coming out with a demon slayer club soon which is an anime i started watching and i really like so far so i can't wait till that comes out it's gonna be sick but yeah that's my my quick hit nice um mine is a little boring but i really liked the pixel fold this year i know i had a lot of problems. Like the bezels are pretty big on the inside and the interior screen is not very good. Here they come. I don't care about Tensor, whatever, whatever.

But I just really liked the form factor because I was really hoping like the Oppo Find N and the Find N2 never got a US launch. And that's like a shorter, more pocketbook style foldable phone. And so if you- Yeah, passport style. I like more pocketbook style foldable phone and so if you have one yeah passport style i like the pocketbook style yeah so if you live in like the united states and you want a pocketbook style passport style phone it's kind of the only option and the thing is pixel software for android is by far my favorite android software and so having that along with all the google smarts on a passport style

phone allowed me to sort of ignore some of the the issues with it also we've talked about this before probably the best phone to use closed um and i like that mindset when it comes to folding phones because the galaxy uh z fold has always been a phone that's been like, oh, we want you to use this open most of the time. And they make it a little bit awkward to use closed because it's so narrow. But this phone is like a really nice aspect ratio closed. It's short and it's nice and I like it. I'm really hoping that the second generation is significantly better.

I doubt it will be. Maybe the third generation is significantly better i doubt it will be maybe the third generation will be uh i just want a better interior screen maybe some smaller bezels and that's about it i really like that phone shout out to the pixel i'm looking forward to the pixel fold too yeah yeah imagine do you know you said it's narrow and awkward to use on the front of the z fold yeah remember the essential phone 2 concept that was supposed to be that like skinny phone phone yeah gem phone, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So many people were, like, excited for that. I think they were just excited because it was different. It's just weird and different. Okay. Yeah. But if you remember the original Samsung Galaxy Fold, it was super slim and narrow, and then it just had a small screen inside of the front. Yes, it had the weirdest bezels ever. Looking back, that was the very first

gen. The screen broke. I mean, yeah, the interior screen broke. Tough. Awesome. Cool. Well, I think that's going to round it out for this episode. I think it's time for trivia to wrap it up. Trivia! We're eyes on it.

Time for me to expose how little I know about scoring music for video games i guess i don't know anything i feel like ellis is gonna be upset that he's not here for this because i believe his dad does sound stuff for world of warcraft or did at one point oh what hasn't his family done exactly this trivia question okay to this trivia question. Okay. Ellis is like, Nicki Minaj is my neighbor. Which of these products is not a real product that I've received an email about? Option A, Flappy, the intelligent cat door flap. How much AI is involved in it?

These are all AI related. Unfortunately. Option B, Willow, a smart outdoor swing set that generates electricity. Option C, JEDZ, a medical delivery drone for hospitals. Gen Z. Gen Z. And Sabre, a smart pepper spray device. These all could be real, like honestly.

No, they really all could be real. Can you play the music oh yes yes sorry is this the waiting music i already saw that i actually think we're supposed to play the music while you're asking the question right uh technically i think it's supposed to be like the jeopardy this is how much time you have to answer yeah it's broken sorry because this doesn't seem like the right music but this is what this is the right music okay you guys said that the same yeah we did yeah we did oh i missed Because this doesn't seem like the right music. No, this is the right music. Okay. You guys said that the same time. Yeah, we did.

Yeah, we did. Oh, I missed. All right. Flip a memory, boys. All right, David. We all picked the same. You all picked the same one? We all picked B, the swing set.

All right. You are correct. Would you like to read what Ellis wrote about for the swing set? Yes. Ellis uh would you like to read what ellis wrote about for the swing set yes um ellis did a collab on this one um willow is a revolutionary alternative energy solution intended for families with children comprising of both photonic and electromechanical transductors willow focuses on two energy sources the sun via solar panels and the near unlimited energy of a child via a series of passive components aimed at turning a child's kinetic energy into useful energy so that's too good for ces yeah that's why that's too smart somebody

really needs to be a pr person he can really spin this stuff uh the reason i picked that was because i was like there's no way that a child is going to be able to create enough energy on a play set that is going to be useful to your home in any way which is why it's realistic but what if the electricity is just like to power some outdoor lights that are on the swing set for your yard have you got a child they have energy yeah i'd heard of the smart pepper spray already yeah me too i got that email for that yeah i think i saw it on like a verge article what's smart about it i don't know um it says how many times it has bluetooth and it connects to a safety app so i guess every time oh so it alerts someone when you're spraying something okay yeah so it has

like a map and then it sends the location whenever it's deployed. That's actually smart. Also, the smart cat door sounds like a very good idea. It sounds handy, yeah. It also has an app. I'm hoping that it can tell when it's been used so you can maybe say like, oh, I haven't seen my cat in a while. When did it go outside?

But also I'm hoping when it comes inside maybe at night it can then lock it it does yeah so the cat's not going out at night it not only detects when a cat tries to bring in prey into your home um i don't know how that works i have no idea leave that bird outside yeah and then it'll lock the flap also um it has a prey detection camera and an app experience camera it's just a visual ai going i I see something, not your cat. That's awesome. Interesting. All right.

I think that's cool. We all got points for that. Yeah. Cool. That's pretty sick. What does that bring the time for us to get it? Oh yeah. That is a good question, isn't it?

Let's see. How many songs? I'm just going to guess. But they were so close to each other. That's why I have to guess. Yeah. We just have to guess. All to guess I have no idea either what if we all get it right

again since you all got it right it looks like Marquez is at 20 points Andrew's at 14 carry the one thank you I thought I was good David is also tied at 20 points alright Rune ruinscape baby

ruinscape was awarded the guinness book of world records for most original pieces of music in a video game in 2017 as of november of 2023 how many total songs are there in ruinscape and option a And option A is 1,589 songs. Option B is 1,362 songs. Option C is 1,027 songs. And option D is 856 songs. If you need me to read that again, I can read it again. Man, that's difficult. They're all so close.

All of them seem absurd to me. It's too many either way. Yeah. I just want to get this right because it's RuneScape. Okay. All right. Smile and wave.

I wrote C. Did you all write the same thing? No. I also wrote C. You said C, David? Yeah. Incorrect. What did you write, Marquez?

I wrote A. A is also incorrect. Is it B? Option B. Is it B? 1,362 songs. I originally wrote B, but I was like, the last question was B. Do I get an extra point if this is what the music cape looks like?

Oh, man. I actually don't think you're far off with that. I think I'm pretty close, right? It's like a harp. Nice. Hey. Wait. Fake point.

You guys didn't know? What did you write, Marques? I wrote 1,589, which was It's like a harp. Nice. Hey, wait. Fake point. You guys didn't know? What did you write, Marques? I wrote 1,589, which was the first one. Oh, okay. Yeah. Ugh, yeah. Dude, they're banger songs, too. Just saying.

That's too many songs. They're good. I really am. You didn't have to go that hard. The Sims has like 60, and that's way too many. Wait, I recently saw a video of Katy Perry recording her song for The Sims. Oh, in Simlish? And she had to do it in Simlish. Yeah, nice. It's very funny. I recently saw a video of Katy Perry recording her song for the Sims. Oh, in Simlish? In Simlish.

It's very funny. Would you guys like a bonus question for no points? Or we can do it for points. I would like a no points bonus question. No points. This is an obsession for this week. This question is about crayfish. I love crawfish.

I love crawfish. See, exactly. So, crayfish, crawdads, mud bugs, ditch bugs, freshwater lobsters, mountain lobsters, and yabbies are all the name for the same creature. These little crustaceans, who are close relative of the main lobster, can be found all across the U.S.

and have dozens of regional nicknames. Crawfish can live on every continent in the world, except for which two? Every continent in the world. I don't think I can name all the continents. There's less than ten, right? There's seven.

Seven. Right? Right. This is tough. Yeah yeah because i'm going by that is tough no i'm going i'm going with that but i'm gonna be mad because i changed my answer halfway all right i wrote antarctica assuming we all wrote that right i did and australia you are half right oh yeah and then what did you have all i wrote antarctica and asia oh damn you're close i wrote antarctica and then i wrote australia then crossed out and wrote asia marquez is just a hybrid of me and Andrew.

Is this South America? You're half right. You're all half right. The two places that you won't find crawfish are, according to welovecrawfish.com, Africa and Antarctica. I was thinking Africa, maybe. Would you like a fun fact about crawfish?

Sure. That wasn't the fun fact? Why did you bring up crawfish? I have a fun fact about crawfish? Sure. That wasn't the fun fact? Why did you bring up crawfish? I have a fun fact about crawfish. I can eat 60 in a day. Did you do that? Wait, have you ever? Sorry, before the fun fact, have you ever heard the Parks and Rec joke where he's like,

I think I'm allergic to sushi. Anytime I eat 80 sushis, I throw up. I've not heard that. Wait, so when did you eat 60 crawfish? A couple years ago ago my neighbor had a party where they imported a ton of them directly from louisiana and had a backyard barbecue crawfish party basically and just had them all stacked on a table and i just sat at the table and ate them the entire party they were amazing i also watched him boil them alive individually

have you guys gotten the tiktoker who does the crawfish boils i have seen he's been going for years mariah why did you bring that why did you introduce that question there was a video i don't know if it was a bon appetit video or like some conde nast video it was uh interviewing people from every state and asking them what they call a crawfish oh crawdaddy probably i was just in new orleans over christmas break um for no reason and you mean nala nala yeah i i never knew that people called it nola nola yeah yeah anyway uh there was a band there that i saw called crawdaddydy Problems. They were really good. Nice. Or Crawdaddy Issues. One of the two. Probably Crawdaddy Issues.

Crawdaddy Issues are good. It's a funny name. But also I forgot about the whole Crawdad thing and it was everywhere. So you couldn't forget? True. Amazing. Alright. Alright, so crawfish fact. They can shed slash molt their shells up to

15 times within their lifetime and each time they shed their shell they double in size oh oh my god i'm glad they can only do it 15 times that's a lot of doubles that's exponential growth they double in size the difference between us a level 12 and level 15 is crazy wait what's 2 to the 15 is crazy. Wait, what's two to the 15? Do you know this off the top of your head? Ask the Ray-Bans. Okay, two, four, eight, 16. No, I got this. 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024, 2048, 4096, 8,183, 16,366.

16,366. 16,366. 32,722. How do you do power? No idea. 64,000. 65,000. Oh, there we go. 400.

65,464. What was the number you said before that? I forgot. 32,768. Oh, I went too far. Which means these crawdads, by the end of their life, can be 32,678. 716. Wait, is it double in size of the size of the original size or of the new size?

Of the new size. I think it's each time they just double in size. They just double, double, double, double, double. How does anything get 32,768 times? They're probably born like that big. Maybe. Microscopic. They've got to be.

But even if it was a single cell organism and then by the end of its life, it had 32,768 cells. That makes sense. If it's one centimeter across when it's molts for the first time. Then it's 32,000 centimeters. It's 32 meters across. Huge. It can't be. It's got to be tiny.

33 meter crawdad. That would be incredible. It molts. Have you ever heard of dragon's breath candy? No. This is a TikTok that I saw recently, but they say it expands a million times because you turn it into a loop and then you cross it over and then pull it again. But like a million sounds absurd, but it's really only probably like 20 times pulling

it because it is doubling every time. And it looks like string. And it winds up looking like hair at the end. Yeah, it's so fine. But it's like a taffy almost. Interesting. My second tiny fact, not as exciting, is they walk forwards, but they swim backwards. Oh. Yes. Walk forwards.

That I did know. That's all I got. All right. Fun fact. I also walk forwards and swim backwards. That's it for this week on Waveform. Thank you guys for tuning in. We had, of course, a lot to talk about.

Hopefully everything we talk about is up to date. If it's not, you can expect us back next week with updates on all this stuff that's changed since this time. Updates on our crawfish facts next week. It happens. Sometimes crawfish get updates between Wednesdays. Just like my mattress, the crawdates are getting updates. Yeah. So get subscribed if you haven't already.

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