Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Samsung’s Newest Foldable is Here!

Episode Date: July 24, 2026

Finally, a classic gadget week! First, it's all about the Garmin Cirqa, the newest Whoop competitor to enter the fray. Then Marques, Andrew, and David debate whether the new Lite Flip minimal phone is worth the asking price. Once the dust settles, it's all about the newest Samsung Z Flip 8, Z Fold 8, and Z Fold 8 Ultra. After that, Marques tries to explain something in tech terms, David talks about the new Peak Design field bracket, and the crew discusses new reporting that Apple is going to start a leasing program as early as next week. Of course, we wrap it all up with trivia. Enjoy! Links: DesFit - Garmin CIRQA video DC Rainmaker - Garmin CIRQA video MKBHD - Galaxy Impressions Light Flip Peak Design Field cage Bloomberg - Apple Leasing Program This episode brought to you by: Framer: https://www.framer.com/waveform Glaze: https://www.glaze.app/waveform Follow us on socials: Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Waveform Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Waveform Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en Waveform TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Intro/Outro music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I thought Lyfton was just running Android. No, that's the whole point is you were supposed to just spend the $300 on an Android phone. But instead, you spent it on this, so you can't do anything. I mean, I think it does run Android, but I think there are people who like side load it. But that's definitely not what they want. If you want to sideload Android apps, just buy an Android phone. You don't have to do this to yourself. Yeah, what is up?

People of the Internet. Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. Big gadget week. Lots of new stuff is coming out

and we have thoughts on all of it. We can talk today about Garmin's new Woop competitor, one of many. Also, Samsung has new folding phones that came out on unpacked this week and also a new light phone that we have thoughts on. That Marquez totally loves on condition.

We'll see. Read the script, Marquez. We'll see. And if you didn't see, we are back to our regularly scheduled programming but our not regularly scheduled programming was the last episode's trivia extravaganza in which Andrew, I don't want to spoil it.

I don't want to spoil it. Andrew was there. There were lots of changes and points over the course of that episode, and now we are resetting season five, whatever season it is, we're back to zero, zero and zero. But if you want to see who won

and who ran away with the most points, that's our last episode. Let's just say I'm equivalent to the San Antonio Spurs. Damn, that is a bit of a spoiler. You are... If you know ball. You are 7, 6.

So you are as tall as one be? That's what it says on my Daden app. It also means he has a history and a legacy of cultivating French talent. Bingo. When you're not subscribed, you miss a lot of stuff going on on Tuesdays, so you should probably hit that button. Definitely go watch that. All right, but first, did they even test this? Okay.

I have one. Okay. This one has been plaguing me for a long time, but I only recently realized how much I hate it. Nice. This is exactly what we need. Yeah. So this is the Apple Weather app. I'm not sure if this is true on U.S.

other weather apps. I'll tell you. And many people have been like, why do you use the stock Apple weather app? Why don't use these other ones? Mostly it's because it's included and free because I'm a normie, I guess. It's like using this stock calendar app. Which would be insane. I do not do that.

I'm a Google boy through and through for calendar. Anyway, the worst part about the Apple weather app is that it can be sunny almost all day long. It will rain for like one hour at one in the morning. And if you are zoomed out on the weather, it says 90% chance of thunderstorms all day. The icon for the day is rain. Yeah, like it says tomorrow, 90% chance of thunderstorm. And then you actually tap into the day. And it's like, oh, from like 1 a.m. to 2 a.m. it's raining.

And then all day it's sunny. Yeah, that is, that should be a setting that you can adjust. It's not. So I agree with you. That is kind of annoying. I've gotten so used to seeing the rain logo and then going, oh, it's going to rain at some point during those 24 hours. And then I click in to see when during the 24 hours. And it's usually like one in the morning.

But yeah, it is, that is a very good point. Even a 1 p.m. shower, if it's only for an hour. You don't shower before bed. Well, see, that's where I think it should be customizable because I think people want to know if at some point during the day it will rain. and then if it is, especially if it's like during the commute or during lunch or when I'm going to be outside. Like I want to know if it's going to rain

when I'm awake for it. Instead of a single icon, they could put like a sun and a rain icon and just put percentages next to it. Like what percentage of the day is it sunny? What percentage of the day is like? Well, that's what you see when you click in. When you click in, but then you have to click in

and this overview, like you should just know. It says freaking thunderstorms, but it was sunny all day. Okay, okay. So the Apple Weather app is a terrible layout. Yeah. I suggest almost. It doesn't feel like, I think most weather apps do that, though.

If, like, there is rain at some point in a 24-hour day, it just shows a rain. And that's bad. That's just bad. But there should be a setting of, like, will it rain during my commute or during my waking day? A waking day. I think, like, 9 to 8 p.m. Yeah. If there's rain in there, you can put rain.

If there's no rain in that, chill. Yeah. Yeah. That's valid. It's just, yeah, I don't know. It just feels, it makes this feel practical. pointless because unless it shows a sun icon, which basically means it's sun all day, no matter what. Wait, and what I didn't notice, you were physically saying today where 1 a.m. has happened already.

Yeah. And it still says rain. Still says thunderstorms. Yeah, that's crazy. It's past. Like, we're past that part. At least update when we're past it. Yeah. Yeah. Dynamic to the point where maybe like within a few hours of the future. Yeah. And then changes. So if you check your weather in the morning, and it says sunny, but then when you check again at like 1 p.m. if it's raining later, then maybe it can switch to rain. You should just use the nothing weather app

because it has a widget that shows you like the whole day. Do they have that for the iPhone? This is on iPhone. Oh, interesting. Oh, that's the not boring weather app. Yes, thank you. Sorry. Oh.

Not boring. From eight feet away, I was like, I know that widget. Is that paid or is that free? That's a free one. Come on. There's a paid tier, though. There's a paid tier. Yeah.

I may start exploring weather apps the way you guys explore productivity apps. I would recommend it. This is Marquez's like other job. Yeah, sure. Yeah, I got you. I think what we're discovering is why, like, weather apps are the peak of data organization and display.

Yeah. Like, there is so much that people want to know or don't want to know or want preferences on showing in, like, the weather display. And that's why weather apps are crazy. Yeah. So what do you recommend for the iPhone for weather app? So my personal favorite is carrot still, carrot weather. Okay.

It's essentially ripped a layout from dark sky, which we've heard about talking about dark sky many times. Yeah. So it has the same layout as dark sky, and then it has a really good radar implementation. So if you ever want to see the overhead of like where the storms are or where they're tracking during the day, that's really useful. And then like, so when you pull up, this is if we're going way too into that. I'll give you my layman's term of what the ideal situation is. You have three weather apps and you either use one until it's wrong and then switch to another one until that's wrong, or just look at all three of them

until you find the thing you want to believe happens that day. Agree with that one and then later when it rains, be like, I really didn't think it was going to rain today and then just be sad about it. I should just have a full page

of weather app widgets and then I can just look at... And they all say different things. They all say different things. And I look at five and I take an average. So this is dark sky's copy layout. See how that's a light blue? That's like a light percentage chance.

So you kind of at a glance, you know, oh, at 4 p.m. It might storm. What about sun? Uh, then it'll, these, these will not be gray. So this is like cloudy, gray all day. But if it's a sunny day like this, see how it's clear up there? That's clear.

What would it be? So that's, it's just a good glantable, you know. You should just do what I do and walk in the morning and ask Marquez. Yeah. Just call him. Yeah. Your weather app just calls Marquez. This is actually what Marquez GPD would be helpful for.

Marquez, you're in my phone as weather app. That's why every day He just text me a question mark every morning at 8 a.m. And I just answer. It's just how it works. Anyway, that's mine. I just need them to fix it.

It's just so annoying. That is really stupid. It's been pissing me off. Yeah. All right. We've been talking about a lot about Fitbit stuff. We've been talking a lot about whoop stuff.

Andrew certified whoop hater. I stopped using my whoop and I'm using the Fitbit era again. The last one standing. Solo whoop. So we represent the entire spectrum here. Yeah. That's true. And now, and now, we finally got the product we've been thinking was probably going to happen eventually.

And it happened eventually. This is the Garmin screenless activity tracker. Andrew's very excited about this because Andrew has used Garmin's for years. So do you want to talk about this? Yeah, well, we're looking forward to it. I was looking forward to seeing what it was. Yeah. Well, let's start with what it is.

The Garmin Circa, C-I-R-Q-A. Why did they do that? Garmin, I guess. Just stop with the cues. Let L-G handle that. The Garmin, I guess, kind of has done some way. The Garmin Phoenix was F-E-N-I-X. That's fine.

That's fine. It is, but not what you would know. The Mark. M-A-R-Q. Yeah, they've all had a little. Okay, anyways. It's... This is one of those things where I saw the picture

and the colors of the bands looked great. Yeah. The materials looked really solid. It has a button on the side, which I was like, okay, I like potential customizable button. And then the more I read about it, the more button's cool. Sad I got. Yeah.

So on the surface, it's roughly the same size and shape as you're expecting. It's kind of similar to the whoop, maybe a little bit thinner. It's narrower than the fit bit, but, you know, it's a screenless fitness driver. It's wider than the, sorry, wider than the fit bit. Wider than Fitbit, probably about as wide as Woop, potentially a little shorter in terms of height off of your wrist than the WU. which is does fit had like a little unboxing that

showed both of them it does fit and DC Raymaker are probably going to have 400 videos on this and I will watch all of them because they are my

go-to Woop activity tracker whatever they compare all of them they compare them all so much the thing that's also great about this one

is it's no subscription needed it's $200 for just buying it outright and using it forever that's pretty nice and no again

always a good thing there are I believe it's $6 a month for Garmin, what's it called Garmin Connect Plus, I think it is. And there are some features in there. A lot of them are workouts and workout plans and coaching and stuff. There is one thing that I found out later, which is live heart rate zones and some, there's some live graphs, but most importantly, live heart rate zones on your phone live app that I think is Connect Plus only, which is that's so easy. It's on all of your watches already. That doesn't. requires the subscription for that and plays it on the watch back off Garman put that on the free mode let the AI coaching and whatever be the thing you pay extra for I think that's totally fair but yeah $199 no subscription fee I found the bands to be kind of expensive they're $49 for an

extra band or $60 for the arm band Fitbit has really reasonable accessory prices they're like 35 bucks for some of them. They're definitely, they're Velcro, a little bit of stretch. I think the colors look really good. There's like black, a tan, kind of a brownish,

maroony color, and then a blue. Definitely chunkier. I was confused by 10-day battery life. That seems short in my eyes, considering I have the 48-millimeter Amel-led Phoenix 8-Pro or whatever it is, and that can get like 14 days of battery life with that huge Amel-ed screen with Raised Awaken.

And this only gets 10. Obviously, it's bigger. But this is doing so much less. It doesn't have a screen. I feel like, so my thought was, cool, it's Garmin. They love GPS. Maybe this is the first screenless activity tracker with GPS connection. Awesome.

Which would have been so Garmin. And it's not. It's GPS connect only, which is through your phone. Right. Which I think is such a big miss. I hate to say this, but I almost feel. like that's dead on arrival for this. Yeah, I would think the Garmin one,

yes. People are going to be looking to the Garmin one for the things that they've looked to Garmin for in the past, which is a lot of outdoor workouts, which like biking and hiking and running, that's like a heavy GPS activity. If I want to take this out and not bring my phone with me, I would like it to have GPS. GPS is also a very big power draw and I wonder if this is just

a focus on like, we have to make it so thin and light and small that it's got a tiny battery and GPS would draw too much battery. But it's like not, it's kind of big. It's like. It is kind of chunky. Yeah. But it's the same, I mean, think about like the whoop and the Fitbit Air that also don't have GPS. Yeah, but who's a scam, so.

I'm just saying form factor-wise, if you add GPS to that small thing, it's cruising through battery. Doesn't the watch have, like, standalone GPS? Yeah, like, so many of the watch. A much larger physical, but I know it's like a small thing on your wrist still, but millianpower-wise, it's a much bigger battery because you're used to having a metal heavier thing on your wrist. But that's still why I thought that this new one would have GPS, because without GPS, this thing, should have like a 30-day battery life. So that would be nice.

Yeah, that's 10. I was like, oh, so it has to have GPS. The 10 made you think it might have GPS because even though the other ones are bigger, they have longer battery lives, GPS and are powering a screen, which makes it feel like one of those things should have stayed there.

Right. Yeah. How long does your Fitbit actually last on battery? Like 12 to 14 days. Really? My whoop lasts like 10 days. My Fitbit lasts like maybe a week. Like seven days, yeah.

Yeah. No, it'll be like 10% by like day six. My less at least 10%. 10 days. And when you're tracking workouts, it goes faster because of all the higher sampling. So like if I start a weekend with two practices at 25% battery, it's nearly dead by the end in two days. Whoa.

So the FIPP? Yeah. No, the Woop. Yeah. And the Fipit too. I was getting like, hmm, yeah, that's probably about right. But the others will rate it for like 14. So this seems like it's maybe not going to make it to seven for me.

Yeah. Which is tough. We'll have to see. So it does kind of the typical stats you can track. activity tracking heart rate, sleep, HRV, calories. It has body batteries slash training readiness that's something Garman's had for a long time.

There's a sleep coach included in the free metrics and all general sleep tracking. This is something... Sleep coach is funny. Stay asleep. Well, I think it's more like... It's had a sleep better. I think it's more along the lines of like

you had a really training fulfilled day and maybe didn't get as much sleep, you should try and get an extra hours. That's all it is. It's saying like, Bro, take a nap. Or bro, like, chill out today. Go to sleep a little earlier.

There is vibrations for alarms. There's no altimeters for floors climbs. Is there vibration for notifications? No. Sorry, Andrew. Just the alarm. There's got to be someone who can figure out the like, if this, then that. And just make, every time I get a text notification.

It just like quickly sets an alarm for 30 seconds later. Yeah, I know someone who can do that. It's my friend Claude. He sounds expensive and potentially really dangerous the what else are I going to say the button on the side can help you with quick launching different activities

it does have auto tracking activities and most of the stuff you do through the same Garmin Connect app that you're used to but the button can then be helpful I haven't seen exactly how it's used but for launching some of those activities that maybe you don't think it's going to pick up automatically I feel like

the usefulness of that is limited because I need my phone on me anyway. What do you mean? Like if I'm going to go on a run and I quick start a run, it doesn't track GPS. So I need my phone. I'm going to have my phone on me anyway. I'll just take out my phone and start a run. I'm sure with how many different activities there, I'm sure there's some that that would

be beneficial. I remember like when we used to play or when I used to play Ultimate wearing my whoop, I would be like, we would play like an indoor league and I would go out and start running and be like, oh, I didn't start it on my phone. phone. But my phone would be in my bag where I like changed everything, not on the sidelines. So then I could just press it and be like, it's starting an activity. I'll go in and call it ultimate later. Yeah. It is nice. I have a quick start button. That's a nice feature. For sure. Or if climbing, you leave your phone in your bag all the time, stuff like that. I could see that

being beneficial. I mean, and hopefully there's some other things you can do with a button. I think a button. I was just going to say having one button unlocks so much. That's like one of the main reasons why I like Garmin when exercising in general is because touchscreens are so annoying. when you're sweaty and it's hot out and you're like a couple miles into a run like just pressing a button is so much easy yeah their absolute cheapest watches are about 250 they do have a like little screen to smart band the vvo smart five yeah like an old fit bit that it's uh 150 so i guess that's kind of the best yeah this is i was trying to figure out who i think this is best for because in so many ways it's cheaper than whoop because whoop is infinite um 200

So twice the price of Fitbit Air. It's also twice the thickness of Fitbit Air, which I really think is why the Fitbit Air is so good because of how chill it is. Like it just is so minimal. It feels ideal. And as much as I like, it looks like the materials are good. It looks like the colors are, like all looks nice. But then seeing it on people's wrists and then seeing the Fitbit Air is like when you maybe want to wear another watch, having a much smaller band on your other, the smaller seems better. You know what this is for?

This is for the people that, like, have an F-150, and then they buy a second car that's like a corolla. Well, that is kind of what I was going to say. This is for people who do maybe really, like, triathlons or marathons or things where the watch telling them the information. So someone who already has a Garmin watch but doesn't want to wear all of the time. So then all of their information is in the same app and coexist with each other. But they don't want to wear the.

the giant 50 millimeter ammo lead watch that just is like pure statistics on it all the time because it doesn't look nice at work, but they still want to, you know, typical screenless activity, whoop user, I can't even take a shower without tracking my heart rate in the middle of it. So like being able to constantly track your. Dude, literally every time I take my whoop off in the shower, I'd be like, why are you taking it off? You can shower with this on. You can just put the battery on. It's waterproof. It's okay. It's like never take your whoop off. Always be tracking. I mean, I think that's anyone wearing these kinds of things.

That's probably something they like to do. It also is the same proprietary. Yeah, I guess if it's cloth, yeah, take it off in the shower. It's cloth. You don't want it to be wet all day. Yeah, I don't get that. To be fair, though, my fibbid air has gotten real dirty. It's pretty gross.

So maybe I should shower with it on. I mean, one time. You have to do it every time. It's this stupid little proprietary charge in that Garmin uses, which I just really dislike and I don't know why they haven't changed that yet. Okay, wait, that is my one thing that made me real. Not that I like it.

I agree with you, it is stupid. The proprietary charger in general is annoying. But this is what made me think that it is a secondary device because if you already have a Garmin watch, you already have the charger. Like if it shipped with like USB, whatever, it would be more annoying. Or like a proprietary magnetic charger,

it would be like, oh, now I have two chargers from my two garment things. It's like the second option. So it has the same charger. or fine, whatever. Yeah, I don't know. I wanted to be really excited by this, and then the more I read about it,

the less excited I was about it. They did send me an email asking if I wanted a sample. I said yes. We'll see if they send that before this episode comes out and then take it back. Look, if anything, I will try it. If anything, being critical, should make them want to send you one more

if they actually believe in their product. The gray and the, like, brown colors look really nice. Why is the beige one called French gray? What makes it French? You should know. You're the Spurs. Yeah. I don't know ball

It's not even It's like beige French gray is a color It does feel beige That's the thing I've been calling brown And Shouldn't be white Okay

No I think it's like actual like Like capital C color Gray is If you're gonna paint a room or something And gray is so much Not gray a lot of the times This feels really stupid But we wanted to paint our bedroom gray

And we got six different paint samples put them up and we're like, that looks really nice. Painted the whole room and Claire and I walk in, we're like, that's light blue. That is, that like any undertone that hits with a gray, the bigger, the more it gets, you're like, oh my God, that's not gray anymore. That's true.

I painted in my room Shasta blue, and I regret it. Shas. We've been making a lot of paint decisions recently for a certain upcoming studio, and you really got to be careful. No, you know what's funny? I was hanging out with Brandon, and Alex was sending him photos of paint samples,

and Brennan was like, this is useless. Auto white balance has made this. It's like when we talk about AirPods, it's like I don't know what color those are. Or the other day you were just like, it's getting really dark outside and like posted a picture to Slack and it just looked like a normal day. Because the AQI was crazy and it looked like Mars outside and I took a picture to see how red the air was and the auto white balance is like, so it's sunny, right? Yeah, I guess. When we saw the eclipse, there's a video of it. And it's all of us freaking out, and it looks like almost nothing happens.

Yeah, you're going to lock that off. Manual settings. Okay. So, yeah. We'll see what happens with it. All right. We don't need to take about this for that long. Please read.

We do. Okay. Who wants to read the title I put for this? I'll read the script. Okay. This is the craziest phone with a hinge that's been announced. Oh, no. You're missing.

You missed a part. Before we even get to that, there's a little blurb in the script. I'll read it. It says, some disembessing. centralized group chat thing that David and Adam are going to be enamored with that will never actually exist because no one will use it and it's made by the same it already exists so what are you talking about it's already out here we go I'm running it on my computer right I wish I was but David never invited me so I can't figure out how how many people are you talking to uh my three agents

but look they're cute they are kind of cute okay what is it look at them it's a group chat what is this look at the little agent okay yeah explain it and then we'll talk about okay yeah we didn't I didn't explain it okay um so So Jack Dorsey's Block Company, which is now sort of a mega company, whatever, it announced this new app called Buzz. Google Buzz. It is available now, so I guess that's why they took it. Buzz is just Slack. Like, it looks almost identical to Slack.

It is so ridiculously similar to Slack. And when he tweeted it out, he said that they made it because they wanted to reduce dependency on Slack. What makes it interesting is that it's open sourced. It does not completely run on his, like, open protocol, which is noster. But every action that you take within it is like is on the noster chain. So everything's like verified over noster. It's like a peer-to-peer thing. When you add people to it, it's basically like a locally run slack.

Everything is like stored both locally and put on the noster chain. And then for some reason they have like a little. any GitHub inside of it too so you can like vibe code with your friends, which is interesting. It's very much like the BitChat one that he released like a year or two ago that David and I were using on a plane and you guys were making fun of us. Yeah. No, we weren't making fun of you. We were pretending we were other people.

Oh yeah. Yeah. It's like a mesh Bluetooth network where you can message people locally. But it looks like that, but with Slack. It looks exactly like Slack, right? And then there's a little agents tab and there's three different agents that I guess you can set up to do different things. Yeah.

And you can connect, they're like, you can connect whatever agent you, whatever model you want to it. So it can be a local model. It can be like a Claude model. It could be an open-a-I model. I don't know. I like,

look. We're useful for engineering teams, I would assume. Yeah, for sure. Fun for us to play around. I like the idea of like reducing dependent on a giant mega corporation and running something locally.

And I am also all for like open-source protocols. Yeah. This reminded me. a lot of... So in order for us to be in the same community, we had to... Like, there's a private key and a public key situation you have to do,

so I had to send David my public key so he can add me, which you can't figure out. I can't figure how to add you. Besides that, it just reminded me of this old app called Keybase that was kind of similar to this.

It was just using PGP to kind of like prove ownership of certain domains so you can verify yourself over like every social media app, which was cool. So it was a social media a platform basically. I would go to your profile and then you would link your Twitter or your

website or your YouTube channel. And then because it was verified in that way, if I saw someone tweeting and I clicked it and it wasn't you, I would know because it wasn't verified on who I know to be Marquez Brownlee or Andrew Mangonelli, you know. So this is what kind of it reminded me of just like easy ways to verify people. But then that company was bought by Zoom and no one trust it anymore. So, yeah, I mean, it crashed and burnt. But still, pretty cool. Literally cannot figure out how to add you.

So we'll figure it out later, I guess. I've been trying. Who needs people to chat to on a chat? I mean, I got my agents, bro. I got three agents here, Fizz, honey, and Bumble. Is what their names are. They're a little claymation guys, though. They are pretty cute, I got to say.

I will, I don't have a use for this, but I will say the website is very pretty. Yeah. Yeah. And it makes me want to have a use for this. We don't have to pay for Slack anymore. Well, we do have to use Slack every day. No, we don't. You think we could use this instead of Slack?

It's the same thing. Really? It's exactly. You can't even get it? Is it a phone? Yeah, there's a, well, I don't know. That's a great question. Is it on the light phone?

Can I video call it? Is it how does? Will it compress audio files I sent through? Is it a Timebot? There's a iPhone, everyone. Look, the agent can code a Timebot. Okay. David literally cannot stop defending the agents.

Because they're little claymation figures. That was a Dota joke. What? Because isn't that stands for defense of the agents? Ancients. Ancients. Oh my God. Wow.

You thought Dota was defense of the agent? This whole time I actually did. Guys, I'll see you later. Let's move on. Okay. There's a new light phone. You guys might have remembered the light phone three. Very difficult to use little phone.

But, you know, it doesn't really have any of your apps. It's got like a podcast app, but you have to upload. the files yourself. It's got a music app. You have to have all the MP3s and upload them to the cloud. It's very much like an old school smartphone that's barely a smartphone. It was $900. It was a lot of money. Yeah.

Was it really $900? So I thought it was, it launched at like $6.99, then claimed it was going to go to $800. But when I was on the website this morning, I only saw it at $8.99. No way. It's $300. No, no, sorry. We're talking about the old one. Oh, the original light phone. Oh. The three.

Okay. Yeah, sorry. You were saying you remember the light phone. So I thought we were talking about. Okay. I'm sorry. Okay. I remember, okay, this is what's crazy.

The light phone is a very old product. And even the light phone. Even the light phone two is a very old product. Because I remember like Adam and I when we were Android Authority kept being like, can we review this? And it was already like a few years old. And they just like, they were like, there's no interest in this. Anyway, last year they released that or maybe it was early this year.

I don't remember. The light phone three, $900, insane pricing. It's cool, it's interesting, but it's $900 and it's hard to use. Now. Marquez is about to explode. Yeah, go on. Now they have the light flip. And effectively what the light flip is, is they kind of, it seems like they kind of jacked the screen out of the light phone too, maybe, or maybe it's like a different screen.

But it's a flip phone. Looks adorable. Kind of looks like it was made by IKEA or teenage engineering or both. Like if IKEA made a flip phone toy for kids. Yeah.

Yeah, basically. Yeah. It comes in these really fun colors that's got these like raised buttons on the inside. It's a legit flip phone with the light phone UI. And it's 300 bucks.

Which I don't think is as bad. Like, I don't know. Do I want me to run specs? I saw your tweet. I was like, yeah, it's 300 bucks. Your guys tweets came up like, next to each other on mine, and it was David's being like, this is so cute and cool. And Marquez is like, I hate this.

This makes no sense. I'll run through specs really fast. Okay. Okay. How cute it is. 2.99, 2.8-inch 480P OLED display. Yes. I don't see anything about touch support.

So I'm going to assume this is not a touchscreen. I doubt it's a touchscreen. The buttons are really big and circular and they match the colors. It is a flip phone, but it is a thick flip phone. how ridiculously cute this is. It is really adorable. I'm kidding me. You can either use T9 or voice to text audio.

I'm so interested how many people remember how to use T9 because I don't think a lot of people do. It's slow. Well, it's faster than regular typing on it. But yeah. I see that being a huge issue for like very specific proper nouns like cities and street names. Like not to doxy Marquez, but imagine trying to type your street name. Yeah, it would take me 20 minutes on the phone.

It would take you so... Because T9's a predictive word. And then voice, you can say it, and maybe it can use context clues, but like I've had voice-to-text screw up much easier. It's almost like there's a flawed product. The available tools or apps you want to call it,

alarm, calculator, calendar, directory, directions, hotspot, music, notes, voice memo, podcast weather, authenticator, timer. I bet their weather app is more accurate than the Apple. How are you going to do T-9? and authenticate. Sorry, I keep going. Well, authenticator just needs to show. So it just needs to be the thing that can show you the authenticator codes, right? Yeah, you got to log in though. Which, you do have to log in. It's so beautiful. Well, could you QR code scan to log in on an authenticator app? Hopefully. I thought so. If you have both phones, you can

unlock it with the other one or you can decrypt it with a password. I had an issue recently where I tried to use an Apple phone and log into my authenticator app and it wouldn't let me do it because it was saying that the phone itself wasn't secure enough to do it. So I wonder if this will have that issue. I don't know. I doubt it. Still no email. This is, I'm going to do my really quick rant before I let you do go at it.

But stop calling email app a distraction. I'm not like going through my email app. Doom scrolling my email through like spam. People need, work isn't a distraction. Work is work. Work is how I make money to buy this phone. You know what Tim told me the other day? He said he took Instagram off his phone for the month, and he's been doom scrolling LinkedIn.

Oh. I was like, for a while it was Facebook marketplace for me, but that's a really fun doom scroll. LinkedIn is so much worse. That is worse. But like, yeah, I need email. Like, maybe you could argue Slack and stuff. I think that's all still stuff most people need for work, but like I just need my email for so many different things. Let me have my email.

Anyways, colors are black, navy, red, pink, yellow, gray. And yeah. All that, who wants to go first? I don't think. You should never get one. Oh my God. You should just never get one. I don't think that this is that overpriced.

I don't think it's crazy overpriced. This is the corolla to your F-150. Okay. This is the scooter. Okay. All right. This is a, so like you said, Andrew, it's not a touchscreen. It's a T9, like, number layout keyboard on a flip phone, which is fine for a flip phone.

But it's also supposed to be, like, kind of a decently functional thing. you can see you can do podcasts and calendar and directions and you're supposed to type into these things with a T9 keyboard all the time with predictive text. That sounds terrible. Or voice to text. Or maybe voice to text. It has a camera on the back.

That's something some flip phones have and maybe you can take a couple pictures. I just don't understand why you would spend $300 for this when you can spend $100 on a flip phone that does the exact same thing. Or you could spend $300 on a smartphone that lasts four or five days because you're not doing anything on it. Why are you spending $300 on this?

Because it looks really nice, I guess. They're essentially preying on people who want a beautiful object and who don't actually do much of anything on their phone, which is fine. It's just you don't have to spend $300. The Kyocera E4-830 DuroXE Epic, AT&T, Unlocked Consumer Cellier, T-Mobile, Fletphone 16-Gabyte rugged. It is $200 at Best Buy.

And I would pay an extra $100 for a thing that looks like a 10-9 engineering product with an amazing dumb UI that is like hard to use but just beautiful. It is just beautiful. There was a $99 one there on the beautiful. Yeah, I went around. You can get a MotoG power for $300. That's a $300. Yeah, it is.

And it does way more than this. Yeah, but that's not what people buy these for. I know, but then you put a launcher on it, and it does whatever you want. Yeah, but it doesn't look like this. Yeah, well, I guess that's the only reason you can justify it is because nothing else looks like this. Yeah, which is fine. Yeah, and I will say, like, I didn't get to use a $1,000. Why don't we just make it $2,000?

Well, iPhone 3 is $900 on his website right now. That's also absurd. That's absurd. It's wild. But that's three times as much as 300. But nothing else looks like that. Yeah. Except the minimal phone too.

The minimal phone, which was last recently as well. Oh, was it? This is one of those things where, like, I actually, like, I like, I like what it looks like. I personally don't think it's that crazy overpriced, especially because it's a smaller company. But I'm just so mad at the things that they consider distractions that I think some most people need for everyday life. I think an email is one of those things. when you don't include those things you're guaranteeing that this is a secondary

phone to you and that you still for work or important things need to bring a phone with you which then the distraction is just in your backpack and when I'm hankering for a doom scroll I'm just going to go on my backpack not having a touchscreen makes things really tough for this phone like to use

which I think you could put more apps on it that are quote distractions because it will just be so hard to use you can have it for the needed communication you need, but you won't be spending a whole lot of time on email again. I just don't get them. I'm stuck up on that for sure.

Like making a phone call makes perfect sense. Texting, you can do T9 texting. I want to pull up a song and play it in a music player. That's, I mean, you can do that if you own the MP3s. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not going to be searching through podcasts very often, but yeah.

You can't just download Spotify on this? Nope. Isn't it Android? I thought Lyftphone was. just running Android. No, that's the whole point is you're supposed to just spend the $300 on an Android phone. But instead, you spent it on this, so you can't do anything. I mean, I think it does run Android, but it's just like...

I think there are people who like side load it, but that's definitely not what they want. If you want to sideload Android apps, just buy an Android phone. You don't have to do this to yourself. We recently launched a developer program for community built and open source tools. Oh, I'm putting Instagram on it. There's currently not a music stream platform like Spotify or a way to call message with platforms like Signal or WhatsApp, there is not a ride share tool available. These tools may be possible in future software updates.

Oh, you love future software updates. I'm not even going to say it. You know what I'm going to say, so I'm not even to say it. I will say it is funny that, and this happens all the time. This happened with arm chips. This happens with everything. Eventually, we build too much functionality into things and we go, we don't need all that functionality.

Let's strip it all away. And then eventually we're like, this needs more functionality. And then they just build it out again. So that's kind of what's happening here. A book's palmo with a color screen. The main annoying things, so I didn't get to review the L'Fone 3, but my friend Michael Fisher did. And when I was hanging out with him a lot, it was really annoying.

Yeah. He couldn't, like, call an Uber. He couldn't pay me on Venmo conveniently. So eventually he did enjoy his time with it because he was reading books more and stuff, but eventually it got a little bit too annoying and he just was like, this is just a little too annoying. So if they could put, maybe if they could put ride share and Venmo on here?

Could I? Yeah. The minimalist community is going to hate me for saying this. But could you compare these to like a crash diet where it's not sustainable? So you buy one and then you're like, I can do it. And then you're just cursed through it. You know, you're totally crashing, crash.

And then you go, I can't do this anymore. And then you just absolutely binge. Zoom scrolling and like your phone and distractions after that. That's so true. Okay. I must have a very different view on the use of this phone. I'm ready. Let's go.

I want to hear it. Okay. Outside of the $2.99 price tag, you could pay, what is it, $39 a month, $49 a month to have it be on a like plan with one gigabyte of data and unlimited call and text, whatever. I think this is your personal phone. And then you make your smartphone, your work phone. So like you get home and you put one phone with Slack and email and everything, you put that in your backpack for the next day, you walk around with this phone. Yeah. On the weekends, you just leave your phone at home.

It's like a laptop. You just leave it at home because you're not doing any work. And then you have a $39 phone that you're just walking around with in case someone needs to contact you. That's right. We've talked about this with like clicks and stuff like that, but it just feels. Also, I love how it's like, we can be distracted at work. That's cool. Well, not being distracted.

It's like, you're going to do. You're at Boss's time. Instagram it up. Well, I actually do need to post the social for work. But more so just the tools themselves are not available on this phone. Like Slack. Exactly. You don't get slack on his phone.

So you can't do it for work. I think that's nice if you have that nice delineation where the only thing you need your personal phone for is for people to contact you. And then the rest of the stuff you only need at work. But the once in a while you need a Venmo someone or the once in a while you need an Uber somewhere. Yeah. Or you need to do some quick, you know, Apple pay for something on your, like once in a while, those annoyances are going to add up, especially with a phone like this

where you can't use a quirky keyboard. And I feel like after a while, I'm just going to get annoyed. And I think most people who use this are reviewers giving it a shot and then being like, yeah, it's not for me. I don't know, man. There are d'Glars have one.

Does he still have it? I don't know if he's still using a Nokia. Yeah, when he came, he was using a dumb phone. I would say using Nokia, you'd spend a tenth of the money. It's probably a better deal. Does the MotoG Power have the little flip phone charm ring?

thing that you can put charms on your phone. No, it does not. Just saying. I don't know, that charm feels pretty destructive. There's a long list of things. I get a do-scroll my charms. Also, I do have to say that it doesn't ship until April of next year, which is a really long time.

I feel like they always do that, though. They always announce it and it's like shipping way. Technically you're still reserving the light phone three. Yeah. Part of me thinks that these are all renders and they don't actually have like, you Units. By the way, the MotoG power is like an absolutely good looking phone. Let me see.

Why don't you buy one? I have one. I have one. Yeah, we do have one. Yeah, it's not bad looking. It's not bad looking. There's a reason that Motorola is being getting more popular in the United States. Well, I, for one, want the IKEA phone.

Wait, minimal phone, too. If you make something look like teenage engineering made it, you will make it desirable. Yeah. That's true. That's all you need to do. I won't rant about it because I do love this series of phones too much. But minimal phone, too, does solve. They just have a silhouette, though.

Well, yeah, all you can see is that it has a keyboard. It doesn't matter. They're bringing it back. It doesn't matter. Minimal phone one was so much fun to use for that month. Isn't that the, where you, like, absolutely break down by the end of the video? No, no, no, no. I was doing great.

I think I was a little. You looked like you were in a therapy session by the end of it. That was true. But that was the only reason that phone was, you know, the only reason that phone was, was unsustainable was because of the lockscreen glitch, where it would constantly die because it kept trying to unlock in my pocket. But assuming they fixed that in version two, I would easily switch back. We'll see. Especially if it has RCS support. That'd be sweet. Anyway, you know what doesn't have RCS support? The Minimal Phone 3?

The Slim Phone. Because it doesn't like this. We added RCS to trivia. Oh, we did? Yeah. Stick or react to this. I could do that with the sloth. Trivia time. Trivia time. Zero zero zero. Zero. Zero. Guys, if you haven't watched trivia extravaganza, I won't spoil it.

However, despite like 800 points being given out over the course of that episode, the final score was down to a mere eight point difference. It was a serious nail biter. But today, resetting season six, zero zero, first question. After the break, we're going to talk about the new Samsung foldables. So this is a foldable It's not actually a foldable. It's not a foldables question. But everyone is acting like they invented the passport-style foldable these days. However,

I did. Which handset manufacturer, which phone company committed to the form factor so hard they actually named a phone the passport in 2014. Light phone. It was discontinued in 2016. Dieter Rams. Excuse me. It wasn't discontinued.

They ended production in 2016. 2014? 2014 to 2016. It was in production. It was called the passport. Who made it? Was it actually foldable? It was not a...

It was just 2014. I feel like I reviewed this. Yeah. I just don't... When I just assume I know right off the bat, I thought it was older. Yeah. I thought it was older.

Let's see. 2014. Okay. The blank passport. Honda. Anyway, the real answer will be at the end. After the break, we'll be right back. Drop everything.

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All right, welcome back. We've got to talk about Samsung unpacked. That was this week. It's actually, it's Wednesday. We're recording it literally right after watching that hour and a half of something. Grinch. Yeah, a lot of vertical AI generated ads in that. That was so weird.

Keynote for some reason. Guinea pig. Kind of strange. But they did unveil two watches, three phones, and some glasses. So we can talk about all of that. Like I said, a lot of gadgets. Yeah. Let's start really.

quick with the I think the simplest stuff. Yeah. There's two new watches. There's a Galaxy Watch 9 and a Galaxy Watch Ultra 2. They get updated specs. There's a 5,000 in display on the Ultra 2. They're like generally better overall and they're also still, I think, 350 or 360. 379.

And 699. Yeah. So that's great. There's also a new flip. The new Flip 8 is slightly thinner. It's got a slightly brighter screen. a little bit more functionality on the cover screen, and it is still $1,000.

As the new titanium. Titanium... They did up the price by $100. Yeah, oh, it's $1,100, right? Yeah. It also is back to a Snapdragon chip after last year being X-Nos-only. Oh, I forgot about that.

Yeah, that's the Snapdragon 8 Elite, Gen 5. Mm-hmm. So that's good. And then we got two new big folds, and what they did was kind of interesting. They have a new Fold 8, as you're picturing it, a candy bar style. Then they just add a new...

the word Ultra to the end of the name and updated the specs and the titanium flex hinge and everything and this is the new big fold is what I'm calling it. Snapdragon 880 lead gen 5,000 million amp battery, slightly less hinge or slightly less crease

not zero crease but slightly less crease. There's an anti-reflective coating on the inside screen oh wait a no I'm sorry that's the new one yeah it's $2,100 and it is starting at 250s gigs so it's a hundred bucks more than last year. And then they introduced a new fold eight that is underneath that. So it is

taking the name of the previous phone, but it is now this short, wide passport-shaped squat. When I'm holding it right here for video users, so you can see what I'm talking about. This is the fold eight. And, okay, this one is interesting to actually talk about. I really like this one. Yeah. And I was curious to see if other people who got their hands on it liked it as much as I do as well. There's a couple reasons why I really like it. Adam is jumping at the bit. Adam really likes it. Adam really wants to use it. I like it a lot. So here's a couple interesting things about this. One, it is smaller, of course, right? It is a small, what is it, what is it, a, what do you say, five and a half inch outside? It's five and a half inch on the

outside, yeah. And it's a, like, 16 by 11 or 16 by 10 aspect ratio on the outside. So it's this little, not quite square, but it's kind of squareish display, right? rectangle. Then when you open it, it becomes a 7.6 inch 4x3 display. 4 by 3, baby. 4 by 3 is nice. That's a nice aspect ratio for reading when it's vertical. You know, media is okay on it, but for looking at your pictures and stuff, it's nice.

Medium format camera sensors are 4 by 3. A lot of photos you take our 4x3. And then it's really thin and light. This is the other thing that I found interesting about it. It's 201 grams. That's only like eight more grams than... a regular S-26 plus. So it feels like the same weight

as a regular slab phone, but it is a totally different shape. I guarantee you Adams on the pre-order page right now. He's opened it and closed it like four times this morning. On the checkout cart. I have like six tabs open. I'm trying. It's got dual cameras on the back. So only two.

It's a 50 megapixel primary instead of the 200 and a 50 megapixel ultra-wide. And it's a 4,800-million-amp battery. So it's just, it's a little bit less phone than the ultra. Yeah. The Ultra didn't like get any new functionality to deserve the Ultra name. What do you mean?

I got the Ultra camera. It had that camera last year. I know. So it's just like whatever. They just decided to add the name Ultra. And it's more of a positioning thing to like slot this in underneath. Yeah. We all think Apple is also going to make a passport shaped fold later this year.

So maybe that was a little clever positioning on their part. But yeah. I really like this size. Before we get into that. Yeah. Can we talk about how stupid the Ultra naming? Like normally when we get. a pro or ultra or something it's because we get something yeah this is just naming it so it can

slide something underneath it yeah that sucks yep yeah that's really annoying they just called it like the fold plus i think the fold w wide or like yeah remember when the the edge came out this this like super thin phone that made sense because it was just like a and you add that to the end of the name to signify that it's a certain type of phone this could be the fold wide or the fold edge or something. And they are kind of putting themselves in a corner because if you remember correctly, Google originally made a

short, wide foldable as their first foldable as well. And then they eventually just gave in to the rest of the market and they made a tall one again. And if Apple maybe starts with the passport style but then decides later that they want to go to the tall one, then Samsung's kind of stuck with the ultra and the

normal. Yeah, which is fine. They're a company that seems perfectly content to make a thousand different phones. That's true. But yeah, for now, this is the one that takes the mantle of just this is the fold eight by name yeah now it's $1,900 that's the biggest beef that I have with it personally and starts at 256 gigs of storage that is also true yeah but everything else about holding it and using it is I think surprisingly nice again less crease on the inside so if you look at the hands-on

video that we published on Wednesday you'll see that there's less crease it's not zero crease, but it is noticeably nicer. It's a brighter inside screen. This is 3,000 nits instead of, wow, instead of 5,000. I didn't drop it. I didn't drop it. You almost drop it. It's got almost even bezels all the way around on the front instead of having kind of like an extra bezel on the side. Yeah. It's just nice. It's nice to hold. So there's a few pretty major quality of life improvements that they added to both this one and the Ultra. One is the flex titanium display, which is what gets rid of that crease. It also makes the display components a little bit thinner. We talked about that before. It uses a titanium alloy underneath the OLED panel and then a titanium plate that

has tighter bonding. All that really means is that the screen can be thinner so they can shave off some millimeters. It also uses less power because there's less layers of displays, so they don't have to, it doesn't get diffused as much. Other major changes are though they charge at 45 watts now because this is the first time. Samsung has finally started doing silicon carbon. However, in our briefing, everyone

was like, so it's silicon carbon, right? And Samsung was like, we are using, we are beginning to use silicon in our batteries. And everyone's like, so it's silicon carbon. They're like, we're experimenting with using a bit of silicon.

It's almost like they didn't want us to say it or think about it as a silicon carbon battery. They're like, it's still a lithium ion battery. We should title this podcast episode. Samsung switches to silicon carbon. It's strange. It's like, yeah. Look, they get some benefit out of it.

They get higher density, so they get a 5,000-million-amprower battery on the big fold and $4,800 on this one. Which is pretty awesome for that one. I feel like this one is going to be the battery king because it's like way less screen. Less outside screen, $4,800. That's pretty nice. It also was the first time they've bumped up charging speed. Yeah.

So 45-watt charging and 20-watt wireless charging. Yeah. So they're getting some. of the benefits of what we've seen from all these silicon carbon batteries. But it's not like I'm holding in my other hand for audio listeners, the one plus 15, which is a 7,000 mill-anth hour battery with like 90 watt charging. It's not full. RIP.

RIP. And so it's like these other companies are using way more silicon in the anode for my understanding and they're being much more aggressive with it. But potentially, as we saw in our video, also dealing with more risks, potential swelling, other things that could go wrong in the long term future. We don't know, Samsung, extremely conservative in that department, but they're using a little bit more silicon. For a reason. And delivering respectable battery, we think.

Samsung just has PTSD because the Note 7 kept exploding and because all Samsung phones, if you don't charge them over a certain period of time, the batteries just pop out the back. They clearly have the worst battery issues. It's every Samsung phone, I swear. It's like only, yeah, anyway. It's not only Samsung phones, but it's every Samsung. So we'll see how it. We'll see how it ages and long. It's not every phone that swells to Samsung, but every Samsung phone swells.

Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. So no Chitu because they didn't want to put the magnets in the back because they needed to keep it thin, they say. However, Chitoo ready, baby. Yep. Which if you remember, means that there will be magnetic cases that allow for Chitu compatible.

Or you just need to put a sticker on the back, like a Pled. Yeah, like a blab. Just like the one plus. Just like every other phone. Yeah, just like every other phone. Yeah. So there are a few kind of interesting updates to the software on the Ultra, and I think on this one as well, there's that Gemini automated tasks thing that they introduced last year where

Gemini can basically just like order DoorDash for you and stuff like that. And on the pixel, when they were having it on the pixel last year, you can just see it tapping all the buttons for you. On this one, it will do that, but it'll do it in the same. a small window so you can see it happening but you can do other stuff while it's doing that yeah which is nice i suppose very strange picture and picture picture automation yeah um there's also a new now nudge feature on the flip where if you don't know now what nudge was which i don't blame i think it's on all of them no it's on all of them but the

flip is the one where it's like the most prominent uh it's this little pill that'll like kind of come in when it thinks that you can do something interesting so for example example, on these phones, when someone texts you and says, and you have it open, someone texts you and say, what's your calendar like next week? What does your calendar look like next week? A little thing will like float in from the side. And if you tap it, it'll open your calendar and split screen. So you just like quickly see. And I think that's kind of cool. It's magic cue, but outside. And not only in messages, right? Like it's a little more inside the software. Yeah. And on the flip, they now have these like generative.

UI now nudge cards, which is interesting for Now Brief and stuff like that, where you can say to it, like, I want to know what the pollen levels are like every morning. And then it'll create, it'll like generate a UI for a little card that every morning will tell you what the pollen levels are going to be like. How well this works? I don't know. It seemed like it was pretty on the rails. They only had like three categories for it. They had weather videos, which I think is just like YouTube video updates. Nice. And what was the last one? I'm like, how? Oh, health, health. So I'm assuming it'll like, you can say, tell me what my average heart rate was every morning or something like that, or how do I sleep, something like that.

You need one that's like, tell me if it's going to rain for only more than two hours today. Right. And in the future, not in the- Honestly, may try that on the flip, may try that on the flip just to see if it works. Yeah, Google famously likes to announce things at Samsung events, and they liked, they announced quite a few things at this event too. Yeah, I feel like we see Rick Osterlo at events for other companies more than Google companies. For sure. I mean, at the pixel event last year, they did all of the AI testing on an S25 Ultra or whatever, right? So, because it wasn't working on the pixel, which is very ironic. Um, we did have one other really big announcement. What is that? Samsung Galaxy card. Oh yeah. We got to talk about that.

I don't really need to talk about it, but it's there. Do you need to talk about it? They don't need to talk about it. They made a credit card. Just like the Apple card. Yeah. Seems like slightly better cash rewards. A couple extra percent.

F*** that. It has stable coin now. Oh, boy. It's your wallet for all the things. I am wondering, it does say 5% cash rewards on eligible purchases made directly with Samsung. But if you really Samsung your life, think about how much more there is than Apple. Like, refrigerator, washer, dryer.

Like, Samsung can make your whole house essentially. For sure. And if you get 5% cash back on all of that, probably can't. But if you're building or buying a house and you plan on buying all Samsung appliances, then I guess you could get the card yourself. Get yourself a galaxy card. Yeah. I didn't think about that.

That's actually a good point. Yeah. If you're building a studio. I think one of the main things here is it's 3% cash rewards on purchases made on Samsung wallet. So I think it might be a way. to be like we want people using Samsung wallet. Yeah. Because that's like 1% better than most cards.

Anyway, we're not a finance podcast. This is not financial advice. The last thing we have to talk about specifically that we didn't really see coming because they didn't show this at our briefings is that, of course, they used Samsung Impact as an opportunity to actually show off the Gemini glasses with Gentle Monster and Warby Parker. They do actually look pretty good. I will have to say. And by show off, you mean they showed them

and then turned off the screen before showing any actual specs or information about them? Once again, I feel like they announced these like three years ago and they announced this integration or this partnership with Warby Parker and Dental Monster. And then they just like won't let you see how they work or anything about them.

They did show something that had Ellis and I kind of like curious, but they didn't say anything about it, which is that it looked like there's a switch on the glasses. Yeah, there's a little switch. That would be useful to like it, like, turn off the camera or turn on. It's probably just to turn the glasses on and off. But if it's to, if it's literally a camera power switch, that would be amazing. That would be awesome.

Or a physical slide. Like, that would solve the majority of the issues of, like, allowing these into places if they're your regular glasses. Is, I have to see you turn the physical slide on. Unless and I looked at each other like, oh, a switch you say. Yeah. So they showed them off at the event to reporters that, were there, but they wouldn't let them put them on, which is a giant red flag. Huge rippling in the wind, massive red flag.

And by the way, these don't have a screen. So they couldn't even put them on. Like, they didn't even say, like, you can't turn them on. They said, you can't put them on your face, which is crazy. So, I don't know. It's a wearable, but just don't wear it. Right. They said, well, no more in the fall, but I feel like we've been waiting over and over and

over again for actual details about these. But here we are. They're competing for the most reannounced product in history. Yeah. With the Tesla Roadster and Apple Intelligence. That's true. I can't, did we see the Google Meet thing before? I feel like that was not that I'm.

So I thought, I thought that was at I.O. When they got on stage and they, like, they had a lot, like, Janus was, they did some demo on I.O. Where they went on stage and the camera was on and I think it was a meeting. But if not, then maybe it's a new thing. like you can be in a Google meeting with your glasses and just your glasses. So your phone's in your pocket. It's joined and they see what you see.

Yeah, I'm, I, I misinterpreted that. You seemed really pumped by it and it kept being like, why? I don't know. I wasn't pumped by it, but it just seemed like the only new thing. But I interpreted it as you have a meeting up on your computer and you can toggle the glasses as a webcam. Or on the phone. You probably could do it on either.

Yeah, you probably do that. For me, like in a meat, I almost never, I would always want it facing my face, I feel like. Usually. But I guess I was thinking of it as phone. Like, I'd rather just switch the camera around on my phone than. You don't think they're preparing. Hey, David, check this out. How'd that look?

You don't think they're preparing for the future when AI tokens are too expensive. Like, I feel like when these smart glasses first happening, the AI glasses, the demo we'd always get is like, my wife, needs me to get me a, I need to get a zucchini for. I don't know what zucchini is. Now you can just Google meet your wife directly and be like, is this a zucchini? Yeah, instead of having Gemina, just looking at it and saying, what is this? Is this a zucchini? Take that one step further when Claire's just in the living room and I'm in the pantry. I'm like, I swore we had those chickpeas and she's like, they're right there. You're looking at them. You're looking directly. Look up. People at Samsung have re-engineered being useless back to first principles.

And it's, you know, I think it's just great. Yeah. So the pricing on pretty much all these are like $100 more than they were last year. Which considering on the phone, sorry. Which considering I don't want to, you know, I don't want to be too friendly. But considering Ramageddon, I was expect, and and them like renaming it to the ultra, I was expecting it to be like, at least. 150 or 200 more expensive.

You do still get the same storage. And to be honest, for an ultrafone foldable, costing $2,100, $256 is not a lot of storage, and that kind of sucks. But, you know, I did expect it to be worse. That's all I had to say. I wonder if they can get that much worse when you're already at such a high price point? I mean, they could. You're not wrong.

It can always get worse. They can always get worse. Apples will probably be $2,600, is my guess. It'll start at $512 gigs of storage. That's my guess. I was going to say my two thoughts that I keep having on this small fold, the fold eight. One is, it does feel like this is for a more casual user. Like they kept talking about the fold eight ultras, like the productivity phone.

Like this is two phones next to each other basically when you open it up and like have two apps side by side, do all this productivity stuff. It's got the most battery, triple cameras, all this stuff. Okay, great. This phone is a little more casual than that. than that. It's still more of a phone than a regular phone, but it's a little more media, a little more like looking at your photos, photo editing if you want,

a little bit less of like the multitasking productivity. It was weird how they positioned it. I think they said something like, it's the size for the everyday person. And I was like, you just did the $2,100 and that's not, I guess. Yeah, I guess that I'm thinking

of the full date ultra as like the power user enthusiast. I'm I'm going to spend $2,000 on this phone and use the crap out of it and like multitask, email, all this stuff on my phone. Don't they have the same chips? They do, but this is way less screen. Not way less, but this is less screen. Okay, wait, I have a question. Yeah.

Does this one have APV recording? Let me check. Yeah, it does. It does. It does a different camera. So it's literally just smaller. Yeah, with one less camera. Yeah.

Again, the telephoto camera makes something ultra apparently. It is. basically got confirmation that the three cameras confirms ultra now because they called it the ultra camera because it was three cameras yeah okay I have a hot take too I'm a hot take okay um

they positioned this as like being the media consumption device whereas the ultra they were like the work device you know the productivity device right nobody is doing productivity on their phone I kind of did that with two screen what do you do you do it or okay how often do you use the split screen

on foldable on the big fold yeah yeah i mean back when i was gailing i would have like one use case that i would do which was i would have email and notes next to each other or email and tasks next to each other and i would wasn't it hard to type on the email if you had to be on like half of the well i'm going back and forth but yeah it is usually annoying it's it's still kind of a small screen to be doing all this i think ultimately most people do mostly consumption and like you said andrew like email is not i don't know is like neither productivity nor it is technically productivity but it's like it's necessity yeah it's email yeah it's just email i would almost argue i think productivity in split screen would work

better in this squat wider version because first of all it's 16 by 10 right isn't that the aspect ratio of almost every laptop like in existence when it's closed yeah uh no when it's open four by three when it's four by three when it's oh 16 by 10 when it's closed i'm an idiot then cool but most of the time i'd rather have with on separate windows than height. Yes. Hight doesn't give me a lot of extra information on the thing I'm doing right then unless I'm sure there's coders out there

but I don't think anyone's coding on. Yeah. Yeah, so does it have decks? I haven't tried. I will try for you though. I will try. So yeah, anyway, $1,900 for a more casual fold is an interesting spot to land.

That's the first thought I had. The other thought I have had and I mentioned this in the hands-on video is like we're expecting the folding iPhone later this year. that's no question going to be more expensive. We're all thinking mid-toes, like $2, $2,400, $2,600. Yeah.

And I think it's going to be even shorter and even wider. So, like, more squat, and then you open it, and it becomes, like, 16 by 9. I think that's what we've seen in these, these, like, clay models and stuff like that people have. Wasn't the whole leak that this one, the reason Samsung did this one was because it's, like, the same screen, basically? It doesn't seem like it is. I mean, they're definitely mimicking the passport thing again because we're going back to that. And, you know, maybe this is a better time for that. Like the tech is better for the passport thing.

This is now we have silicon carbon. The phones are thinner. They're more deliable at this size. So instead of having crappy batteries, it's like, yeah, the passport thing actually works again. But I do think the Apple one is a little bit of a different shape again than this one. Macrumors. Come from the Surface Duo. Macrumers is saying it's 5.5 on the outside and 7.8 on the inside, which is the same.

7.8 though because it's a different ratio. Oh. So I think it's like it's 5.5 but it's even more like short on the outside screen. And then when you open it, it's wider than 4 by 3. Interesting. That would be funny though because that outside of that, didn't you say it's 16 by 10 or the inside 16 by 10? The outside is outside 10. Yeah.

The inside is 4x3. Well 16 by 10 is the exact aspect ratio of the MacBook Pro. Yeah. So Samsung's doing the Apple ratio and Apple's doing the who knows. nose right. Can I pitch an intro for the review of this? Yes. All right, you dress up like Goldilocks.

And you get in the room and you go, oh, this is such a nice phone. And you pick up the ultra and you're like, but it's just too big. Only if we put you in a bear costume. I may have just read Goldilocks Elaine last night, but it's fresh on the mind. What? We couldn't tell. Wait, keep going.

How does rest of the show? And then you come over and you're like, oh, and you put it down and you get to the flip. You're like, oh, this is so nice, but it's just too small. And then you come over and then you open the eight and you're like, this is weirdly named, but it's just right. Yeah. For the actual intro, we're going to act all that out, but we're going to replace the dialogue with that.

Yeah. And then three bears just coming to beat the shit out of it. Where's the porridge come into this? I feel like there's got to be porridge. You could start with porridge if you want. He just says porridge dribbling down his shirt. Yeah. Looking at the phones.

Okay. Well, that's pretty much here. Banger, Banger intro. That's pretty much it. I'm glad we can charge them at 45 watts. Pretty cool. I'm a daily this thing, man.

I think the new one's sweet. Yeah. The 8 is sweet. I kind of want the 8, the fold 8. Like, I just want a phone that's that aspect ratio of not folding. At the briefing when I was using it, what I was really thinking about a lot is like this doesn't really feel like a phone. It feels like a gadget.

I did bring up the surface duo and I was hoping that would go well and I think it did. We don't know, I know, I know. But hear me out, the good parts of the service deal, remember the dual embargo? Yeah, where it was like, all right, you guys can talk about the body. But I think there's triple embargo. The first embargo was like, you can talk about the hardware. Just do not turn it on, do not show any of the software, do not review it.

So the first one comes out. We all, of course, want to be in the first wave to be like, hey, I have the device. I'm starting to test it. I'm allowed to talk about the hardware. And the hardware is nice. It's like nice to hold. It's really thin. The 360 hinge, like it's just kind of a cool shape.

Yeah. It doesn't even feel like a phone. It's just a nice gadget that I wanted to use. Yeah. Anyway, stay tuned for the next video. And then the next video would be like, all right, the software is time and it's bad. It was bad. The digitizer didn't work.

But again, it was years ago. The battery tech wasn't good. It was too thin. The bezels are huge. Like, there are so many other things that were bad about it. Software was better. Maybe we've gotten to the point where the tech is good enough that this is like, this is a thing we can try again. Yeah.

So we'll just say. Yeah. I mean, I've just super down for the gadgetiness of it. Because it doesn't really feel like you're using a phone. Like, it's so wide even vertically. It does rock. It does rock in multiple ways. But it's so wide vertically that like even when you're reading a website,

it's way more enjoyable to read a website on the front screen than it is on a normal phone. Like the internet is just more formatted for a wider screen. And, uh, is what you like arc? Yeah, it's just, yeah, exactly. So, yeah, I don't know. Exactly, right? Isn't that nice? It almost was like a tablet.

It's like so nice. You know what was the moment that made me really want it? When it was announced? They turned it sideways in the Kindle app and it just turned into an e-reader. And I was like, oh, that's kind of fire. Actually, in the briefing, they mentioned that when you have it open and you have it in the vertical orientation, it's the orientation. It's the orientation of an e-reader. is what they said specifically three by four,

which I don't know, you readers that are three by four, but I guess some are. It's nice. They're all different. That's nice. Isn't that nice? This is nice.

Anyway, stay tuned for the full review. It is no doubt in the works because I'm going to throw my SIM card in this and we'll see how it goes. Yep. But yeah, what else should we talk about? We can talk about trivia. Trivia.

Let's talk about trivia. And then we got some more stuff after the break. Trivia, dude. scored 0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0 so there we go while showing off 1Ui-9 on the new flip they swiped down at one point to reveal media controls I was barely paying attention yeah I know see you weren't paying attention what song was playing when they swipe down I don't know man you don't know it must have been

a song I don't know because if it's ever a song that I do know I think I would like remember oh you know this you're a register I do know the song you know the song oh that's too bad I wouldn't pick some random like k-pop song you wouldn't know. It's one of the new songs on the new streetlight manifesto. Yeah, it's definitely, that would be the craziest street. I was saying LeBron was going to announce to Philly during the event. Oh, man, I did not know this.

Just saying? I was paying attention to. Not for points. You know what E-reader does have a three-by-four ratio screen? Minimal. No. Don't say the light phone. The minimal phone.

That's not an E-reader. I read on it. I read books. I'm reading off my laptop right now. It's electronic and it's, okay, hold on. Let's not got it. All right. Well, we'll have the answers for you. We'll be right back.

All right, welcome back. This is off the top of the dome, but I wanted to try to think of a way to explain something I saw on my feed in tech terms. It's an athletic feat. It's the new mile world record. I know if you guys saw this in London, I think, about a week ago. So I want to get the time right. Three minutes, 42.66 seconds. You Googled it already.

Okay. So Josh Kerr ran the mile in three minutes. 42.66 seconds. According to AI, a few. And that is correct. That's a tenth off of the previous mile world record, which was set in 1999 by Hickamel Garouche from Morocco. That, by the way, is one of the greatest races ever run.

Both first place and second place, both went under the previous world record mile. Dang. And then this guy, Josh, goes out, and he's been saying he's going to break the world record for weeks and weeks, and he finally gets to it. He gets on that stage, the crowd's on their feet the whole time, and he goes out with these pace setters, and he runs essentially like a 16th, a 13 and a half second 100 meter dash 16 times

in a row. There's no way to like contextualize how fast this mile is other than to just go try to do it yourself and realize it's ridiculous. I could do that. It's crazy. Anyway, he breaks the world record for the mile, and I'm trying to think of a way to explain it in tech terms, breaking a 26-year-old world record and. saying you were going to do it.

You guys both nodded. I don't know. We have the same idea. Go ahead. You go ahead. It was like it was like when Fable disproved the conjecture two days ago. The Jacobian conjecture. What is this?

I don't know what this is. This is like a math problem from like 1920s. And some some dude just like worked with Fable and 1939. 1939. Some dude, like, worked with Fable and figured out a counter example of the Chikovian conjecture. It has to do with wrapping planes in 3D space. It's way too smart for me to understand. I literally, this is so funny because I was like, I was watching this all happen on Twitter.

I promise we'll get back to running. I was watching this all go down on Twitter, and every single person was like, at Grock, can you please explain this to me simply? And it was not simple. And then someone would be like, like I'm a five-year-old. And it was not simple. And I was just like, I'm never going to understand this. Anyway, is that what you were thinking of too, Adam? That's really good.

I'll think of the exact same thing because it's been something that hasn't been, what, disproven or proven for like since 1930s? They found a counter example. That's what it was. So basically it's, the conjecture is false and therefore a lot of things about math are now different. Isn't that theoretically what AI was at least like five years ago when I was first learning about it was supposed to be doing. Yes.

It was supposed to be like finding things humans couldn't find. No, no, no, no. Animated gerbils in the middle of an unpacking event. I was like, I was learning about both quantum computers and AI at the same time. But it was like, oh yeah, we'll be able to pattern recognition. We've able to identify diseases in like x-rays that human doctors couldn't find. It was all this promising stuff. And this sounds like kind of up that alley.

I'm guaranteeing you that Open AI and Anthropic are jumping for a joel. right now because they've been telling people that AI is going to be able to do this for this has been like the basis of all their funding yeah and now um can i have the basis of their funding was to find digital god oh well that's anthropic can i ask a stupid question did they just type in no can you solve this no and it was the okay not a stupid question because they didn't but um in response to this some dude on twitter was like hmm i wonder if i can find something and I, he just said like, disprove a random conjecture and it did disprove one that no one had disproved before.

But apparently, in this period of time, there were just hundreds of conjectures being made that like the list is so long that nobody has wanted to do it because it's like a track. It's like just pointless. And so I found a random one and it did solve a problem, but it wasn't an important problem. Like breaking a sub four minute marathon. Right. Or back to that. Back to that.

Yeah. So how do you do it? I mean, the training, the shoes, the modern medicine, the, a lot of... Hold on, you can't just throw modern medicine out without me assuming... When you break a world record... So like the original, like, theoretical human limit for the mile was like breaking a four-minute mile. Like that was the Roger Bannister famous, like, oh my God, he did it, he ran under four minutes. Once he ran under four minutes, then humans were like, oh, we can do under four minutes.

And then the world record continually got lower and lower three minutes and three minutes and 50 seconds, three minutes and now 46 seconds. Yeah. So the fact that Hickamel Grouge broke this world record in 1999, there's been a ton of advancements in sports since then, the shoes, the training, the medicine, the recovery, the everything. And it still took 26, 27 more years of that

for someone to break his record. Yeah. Which makes it seem like it was pretty sick when it happened. Can I ask a question that we may or may not keep an impot? because you might not know. Sure. Do you know if there were people running in front of him, like, as a vanguard to break the air? I thought he said for the new one.

Or the new one? Or was he just like, buy himself? Yeah, so it's outdoor track. It's a famously fast track. The first lap, he has two pace setters. The next lap, he has one pace setter, and then he runs the last lap and a half alone in the lead. And it's not so much breaking the air, but it's like, this track has lights alongside the bottom of the track to identify exactly where you have to be at what speed where you need to.

where you need to be to break the world record. So the old world records in the 90s was just like, this guy ran as fast as he could, and he passed the line and then discovered that it was a world record, where these guys are like, all right, this is the record I'm going to break, and I'm going to train to do exactly that,

and I'm going to run exactly this pace. I'm going to have pace setters who are setting it up for me to follow them, and then they're going to leave, and I'm going to run the last lap and a half as hard as I can. Where is that track? London. That sounds sick.

It sounds, yeah. Well, there's lots of tracks now that have these lights. Oh, really? Let's go to one. We can't do that. It's pretty cool. And to try to keep up with the lights probably very hard.

Yeah. So anyway. That would be really funny. It would be really funny if we took the entire team spaced us out and saw if collectively we could get anywhere close where we're all only running like... We definitely couldn't.

Like 100 yards at a time. Each 400 would be like a sprint for us. Oh yeah. Yeah. It would be more than it. Yeah. Yeah, four by four for four people of the studio. Oh, no.

I mean all 16 of us. Oh, all of us? Maybe if we ran like 100 meter sprints for each. of us because there's 16 of us going down Josh are you sorry sorry to break it to Josh that that would be four ACLs ago I might have been able to work to help yeah that's funny anyway now you know okay help us well there's a couple tech news stories I wanted to bring up one peak design just launched a really cool what they call field bracket it's part L bracket part like modular cage for your for your camera and

it also hides a tracker in the bottom of the cage, which is really cool. So we don't know what an L bracket is. For cameras, it's like a piece of metal that slaps on to the bottom inside of your camera that allows you to put your camera on a tripod,

but in a vertical orientation so they can shoot in portrait orientation. Also, there's an attachment called a cheese plate, which is just basically like a bunch of holes that will slap onto it, which... Love a good cheese plate. Exactly. It allows you to attach like a light or a microphone or like different.

things like that. Every time I talk about cheese plates to people who are not in the industry, confusion. Confusion ensues. But universally loved. Yeah, we both love cheese plates. For sure. And I started talking about like the things I attached to cheese plates and like, what are you talking about? Do you know how you have beers and cameras? Yeah. You should have cheese plates and cheese plates. Ooh. Well, that's actually smart. That's fire. I'm getting the Instagram today. Okay, but the coolest thing about this, because I am famously notoriously clumsy, is that they have a new tracker tag that Peak Design is making that sits flush in the bottom of the cage,

which is in the bracket, which is really cool. And it works on both Apple FindMite and Google Fine Hub. Last for about six months. You can replace the, but then you can just replace the battery. It's a basic coin operated battery. And so that's really nice. I just like, I need, I need ways to not lose my cameras because currently on like all of my cameras, I have an air tag just like hanging off of the strap. have a new petition. Okay. I've already petitioned that all cameras have should have built-in storage. Yeah. I think they should all also have GPS ready find my capabilities. I like that. Just built into them. Yeah. Just right on the camera. I agree with that. Yeah. That'd be great.

So yeah, peak design always runs their pre-orders of stuff on Kickstarter. So they have it on Kickstarter. There is a Kickstarter price. The base bracket with the L bracket and the plate is $125. $200 if you want every accessory, which comes with the tracker. It comes with the hand grip. It comes with the cheese plate. It comes with I'm in. Yeah. So it's pretty cool. They do have it a very limited number of cameras and it's mostly the brand new model of every camera line. So if you have like a last gen model, it might not work, but they do have a form that you can fill out where you can ask them if they'll make a certain one. And I'm assuming if they get enough demand for certain cameras. I always love those. That's like a, we're listening. Yeah. But you're just throwing this into it. Yeah. It's.

It is funny because it's literally just a type form. And it's like giving a type form to a large company always feels like, are you even looking at these? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We care. We promise we're listening. Yeah. Just go straight into the garbage. I mean, if they could make enough money off of it, because honestly, like, especially an accessory like this that is just cut metal, I think probably has a very big margin and they could make a lot of money on it.

Other cool thing about it is that the modular aspects of it where you can slide in the cheese plate or slide in the hand grip. It just uses a finger tension like thing. So you don't need any tools to change out the parts of it, which is cool. So I just want to bring that up? They just announced out of yesterday. Last thing, this is more of a depression indicator thing. Apple is reportedly going to launch an Apple upgrade. Do you mean recession indicator?

No, I do not. I mean a great, a great, a large recession is a great depression. So it depends on how deep in this recession we are. Oh, we're deep is. I think David meant the other kind of depression. Is it depressing? Or enolostos. I think you usually say a recession indicator.

I think that's what you meant to say. No. He meant a great depression indicator. Okay. Great depression to Apple, boo-galu. The depressioning. So Apple is reportedly going to launch an Apple upgrade leasing program. So just like you can lease a car.

Lease? bro. Yep. You are now reportedly going to be able to lease Apple devices. It will work similarly to a car lease. Oh, this is like what carriers are doing, basically. Yeah, I guess technically, yes. And Apple has been trying very, very hard to get people to buy phones directly from them and computers. Yeah, what sucks about this is it only comes with like 20,000 miles, which is crazy. Yeah, true. You have to pay off the mile after that. But it will be available for most new iPhone, Mac, iPad and Apple Watch models. They will be 24-month leases for iPhones, Apple Watches, and 36-month leases for iPads and

Macs. Please do not lease an iPad. Please don't lease an iPad. Okay, wait. I'm confused about this. Yes. At the end of it, do you own the iPad or do you have to give it back? So you have to give it back unless you buy it out.

So if I, wait, okay. So just like a car. You know how with a lot of cars you can lease a car and then lease to own and then pay lease to own, yeah. You pay the remaining balance. That's the option the Apple will reportedly give you. Okay, so I don't have to like re-buy it at the end of me leasing it. No, but it's probably I don't, we don't know the details yet, but it may be more expensive buying it over time. The total amount out of your pocket will be higher than just buying it. But you spread the payments out over long enough time so as to not pay that lump sum all at once. Yeah. Yeah.

Financing. Financing. Yeah, I think that Apple is probably like, hmm, Klarna is taking all of our finance money. Also, they did just up the prices significantly of, like, all of their devices. So people might actually need to do this now. Also, it is Klarna. Oh, it's through Klarna? German says Klarna will be Apple's financial backer for the new program. Financial backer.

So Apple's not even taking a risk, basically. I mean, I'm surprised it took this so long to Klarna, an iPhone. If I can Klarna Taco Bell. Dude, you can Klarna a Martini. Yeah. You can pay after martini and, like, 16 cents. I don't like it. Installment.

Ridiculous. Don't do that either. Yeah. Budget devices will not be included in this. You cannot buy the MacBook Neo with it. You can't buy the base iPad or base iPhone or Apple Watch SE. But it will reportedly launch on the 28th, which is in just a few days. This is not a financial advice podcast.

But try to avoid this. Yeah, maybe try to not. Try not to do that. There are a lot of. used devices available on the market. I really, really recommend buying a used phone or a used computer. There are also, and again, not financial advice, but there's lots of retailers that offer store credit cards that have zero fees

and will let you zero interest finance over two years. But also try not to finance. There, you guys are too pessimistic. There's a lot of success stories, like those gaming PCs you could rent. And then all you have to do is become a pro-Fortnight player. That's true. And then... Fortnite's on the iPad.

That's true. You're losing money if you don't do this. If you don't lease an iPad. Yeah. Wow. Apple strikes again. They're genius. They always think of the thing.

They always think of it. Who said yet to this? Apple. Yeah. The bank. Yeah. Clarna. Didn't they already have this with iPhones?

They had a financing thing through the Apple card. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know, man. Why have one financing, then you can have two finances? Yeah, they've really gotten into financial services. They have the Apple credit card now, and then they have to buy now, pay later, and all those other stuff. It's the good time.

So if this actually, you know, launches on the 28th, we should, oh, it is next week the 20, a week from today is the 29th. So we might be able to talk about it next week. We'll have more details next week, theoretically, potentially. I'll finance a Mac Pro, M6 Ultra. An Intel MacPro. Oh, God. And I'll let you know how it goes. Yeah.

All right. Cool. Are they launching this because the next iPhone also thing is so expensive. I mean, Marcus, didn't you say that there was an insane German tweet this morning where he said there will be a new and a new and a new and a new. I'll read it if you want.

Read it to me. Okay. Just like Andrew Reed's Lane. Yeah, as we record on Wednesday, this is the tweet that showed up on my time. Read me, German reports, Marquez. To go to sleep, too. News, Apple Reddy's end-to-end Mac overhaul, including M6 MacBook Pro and new IMAX this year, and several new redesigned MacBook Pros with Touch and OLED, and New MacBook Air,

and MacBook Neo models across the end of this year and next year. Wow. So all the Macs, basically. All the Macs. Other than the MacS Studio, I'm MacMany. Well, I'm excited for the touchscreen. Ultra. Same.

Let's take it to trivia. This won't make me depressed. This will make me very happy because now I'll finally do well again in trivia. Marquez, I have a perfect technology for your mile. Okay. It's just like how this mystery phone company made a passport phone called the passport, and then no one did it, and now we're back, so who made it? I don't know if I want to remember this.

what year 2014 so I'm in college a year that I for some reason associate with Jake hole okay Forest Hill Drive

baby I don't think I associate 2014 with anything 2014 with anything 2014 what happened in 2014 ready Jake hole

double platinum no features oh that's what it was I can't I'm not sure. I thought this was earlier, to be honest. Those are grapes, by the way. Have you?

Never mind. It doesn't matter. All right, I was wrong. I'll just say mine. I wrote HTC. Is there an HTC passport? Should we Google that? No, I was just thinking about 2014.

So what was happening? I was not thinking about it. HTC was happening. I think we used to have a red one in the drawer upstairs. A red passport? Blackberry passport. Which is the correct answer. We did.

I thought that was a way older device. I don't know why. Yeah, Blackberry was on Death Store for a long time. They were close until like late into the 2000 teens or whatever it was. They made a couple fun Android phones. Yes. Yeah. The one that slid and then you could drag your finger along the keyboard and it worked as a mouse.

That one called. I'm trying to remember the names of this. Prive. Prive. Yeah, Priv. That's a good poll. I'm a blackberry boy. Yeah.

Why do you know all these names? Speaking of fun phones, the one UI 9. preview on the flip that was just announced. I'm purely guessing this one. What song was playing in the media player when they swiped? Oh, in the media. Nobody here has, no one here has any idea what it is, right?

Can we all request a hint or else just none of us are going to get it? No. Okay. Oh my. The hint is, the hint is Ellis loves this song. We've spoken about it multiple times on trivia extravagances of the past. We've spoken about it multiple times just in conversation. Yeah.

Wait. And it's not really a song. There's no words. Are there words? There's words. There's words. There's three words. This is all framing up for my question to be fit all those stipulations, but be wrong.

Yeah. That was a really big hint, but I didn't have enough time to do. Do you guys want another hint? No, no. Yeah, sure. Well, if we all get it wrong, then give us one more hint. Okay, okay, okay. All right.

Flip them and read. What do we got? Oh my god, Andrew, if we all put it up. We're all wrong. What did you guys write? I wrote Friday by a birker black. No. I wrote 100 gecks.

No. I wrote all the pieces by Streetley Manifesto. No, okay. Here's the hints. The artist, you know how there's like the song title, song artist, whatever? Artist, Samsung. Oh. What is that song called?

Oh. What is that song called? What is that song called? I don't know what it's called. It has a name. I know. Damn it. I don't know the name.

I think I know one of the words in the title, which is going to be really rough if it's not more than one word. Oh, we have talked about this so many times. So many times. It was. It's definitely. It was a trivia question a long time ago. Let him and read. What do you got?

Oh. Is that what it's called? No, I don't think so. I don't know. Someone read an answer. Mark guys go first. Moonlight Sonata. Oh my gosh.

Does it have the word ocean in it? Okay. I wrote Beyond the Galaxy, but that's not it either. So good. Kind of a banger, honestly. I unfortunately have the answer. Oh. Over the Horizon.

That's a really good guess. Yeah. Beyond the Galaxy, Over the Horizon. So good. That's the special Dirty Loops version. Why is that kind of a Bob? It is a Bob. Wait, hold on a second.

Have we never played this video for you? I don't know. I don't know how much more I can play. Yeah. It's this band from... If Samsung can steal Spider-Man, I think we can just play that. We're hyping him up.

There's a Scandinavian band called Dirty Loops and who Samsung hired to, like, cover the ringtone over the horizon in 2016. Oh, but is that a YouTube channel that's posting it? Because then they could strike our stuff. It's Samsung's. Oh, it's? YouTube channel. I say we let it roll.

Let's let it roll, baby. And if you can't access this podcast on YouTube.com, you know who did it. Are we going to get demonized for playing it? No, they would love us to share it. And if we do, we'll mute it.

And then it'll just be a weird, silent part. And everyone will know why. People will like that. A certain Korean mega company did not want us using their funky little tune. Fucking LG, man. And on that note, the pod is over. Let it roll, baby.

Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. We are back on our regular schedule programming. We all have zero points on trivia still. No, no. Andrew and David got it correct. You got zero points on trivia. I have zero points on trivia.

And I'll have to start catching up next week. Marquez depression indicator. See you guys then. Peace. Wait, from us produced by Adam Alina and Ellis Roevin. We're part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Intertrial meetings was created by Vain Sil. It's the waveform, bros.

So I went up by $100. Yeah. That's not that bad. Considering Ramageddon, you know? All right, we should talk about some of the podcast. Did it start at that... The what? The podcast.

What's the podcast? Oh, wait. Look, we're conveniently sitting in front of microphones.