Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Samsung’s Tri-Fold Phone is Coming!

Episode Date: July 18, 2025

This week, there is a bunch of news to talk about. Marques, Andrew, and David jump right into the news that ChromeOS is merging with Android before then talking about the new Sony point-and-shoot camera that's going viral for all the wrong reasons. After that, they talk about the Samsung Tri-Folding phone that will likely launch later this year before wrapping it all up with Rivian and Tesla news. Enjoy! Links: Android Authority - ChromeOS and Android Techradar - Sameer Samat interview Verge - Qi2 News Android Authority- Samsung Tri-Fold New Sony camera Rivian updates Music provided by Epidemic Sound Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Social: Waveform Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Waveform Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en Hosts: Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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The Naked Gun tickets on sale now August 1st. David talk me out of a Rico GR3. I just, I'm literally, no B&H, were you looking at my screen? No I was not. I was literally opening the B&H page for it. I'm gonna not get the HDF one. Does it cost more for that look?

You're insane to pay a hundred bucks more for that. The GR3 HDF. What is HDF? High diffusion filter. High diffusion filter. What does that mean? It just makes it look like a memory. It's like soft.

It makes it look like you took the camera and went. Ha ha ha. It's exactly what it does. And you spent a hundred bucks more for that one. You could just. I don't know what I'm doing. Yo, what is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast.

We're hosts, I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. And we're back to our regularly scheduled programming, but I'm only saying that because this Tuesday, a couple of days ago, we went live for our exactly 300th episode, live on YouTube anyway,

then we published to the feed as well. But if you were there, thanks for hanging out with us. It was a good time. We just talked to the feed as well. But if you were there, thanks for hanging out with us. It was a good time. We just talked to chat for an hour. It was chaotic, but very fun. We were only 10 minutes late. Yeah, not bad. Not bad.

Not like this level. Yeah, it was a good time. Also, if you missed it, it probably means you're not subscribed. Ooh, and don't have the bell on. Yeah. Bing, bing. So what's with that?

So get subscribed. So the next time we go live, which we did like have a good time, we might as well do that again at some point, but if we go live again, subscribers will be the first to know that that is happening. This week though, we've got some more fun stuff.

Samsung trifold, we got to talk about this interesting rumor. We also have some unboxings to do on this podcast today. Oh. We got to talk about Chi-2 because we always have to talk about Chi-2. We always have to. But first, some interesting Google news,

alleged Google news anyway. Google confirms it's combining Chrome OS and Android into a singular platform. Yes. I'm still trying to figure out exactly what that looks like, because I know what Android is, and I know what Chrome OS is. And so what device should we want

to see both combined into one on? And why would that be a good thing? Well, glad you asked, Marques. I think in Google's perspective, phones and laptops just sort of need to be one thing. And you can see them doing that, right? In the Android 16, they're making it so you can plug in your phone to a display.

You can basically use Chrome, like Chrome OS. On Chromebooks, you've been able to run Android apps. Exactly. Yeah. And so that makes sense for them because Apple has this like very diverse ecosystem of devices. They all kind of like mesh well together and they do that. But Google never wanted to make a Mac competitor OS, even though I wish they would, because it would be great. it would be great,

but they don't want to do that. So I think in their perspective, it makes more sense to just like make a phone that can be a computer and make a computer that can be a phone. They have said for many years that they're like sharing elements of the kernels with each other to make it so they're more compatible.

And over the last couple of years, we see Google pushing updates to Chrome OS to kind of like let your messages sync more freely from your phone and let this happen more freely from your phone. Sounds great. It sounds great, but at the end of the day, Chrome OS is still Chrome OS, right?

That's like always the thing. It's like the big asterisks that's like, okay, and yeah, I can run Android apps on this, but it's still not really as powerful as a laptop. But now that phones are becoming laptop powered in a lot of different ways, I think it makes more sense to just combine them. So I don't know if they're gonna rename this,

or if they're just gonna still say it's Chrome OS, but it's running Android. Effectively, what happened is that Samir Samant, who is a big guy at Google, he confirmed to tech radar in an interview that they're going to be combining these platforms because he asked the interviewer, Hey, so why are you using an iPhone and a MacBook and AirPods? Like when what, what is it about those things that you're like, you like better that you can't do on our stuff.

And he's like, oh, well, I like the ecosystem. I like that they like work well together. I like it. And he goes, yeah, okay. I guess that makes sense. Yeah. That's why we're like merging our platforms and we're turning them into,

he just like dropped it casually in this. Okay. Sick. Yeah. So I don't know when this is gonna happen. Obviously it could be a multi-year thing that they've been planning for a very long time. I think everyone kind of anticipated this. But on top of this, there's this big rumor that

Google is currently working on a new pixel book. There's like a team of people at Google that has been confirmed are working on a new pixel book. So it would be very cool if this pixel book came out and they were like Chrome OS is dead, Android is just now everything. Which I think would make sense for Google. Whoa, never heard of that before. Wild. Yeah. Interesting, okay. Yeah, so it'd be cool if it was just like Android laptop

and Chrome OS is just gone. I'm looking forward to a new interesting Pixelbook. That would be fun. The Pixelbook Go was very, very good and very like quite affordable, very cheap, very fun. What was the really expensive one? Was that just the first? Chromebook Pixel.

The Chromebook Pixel, that's what I'm thinking. The first one? Yeah, from back in the day. It looked so cool. It looked like a Mac. It was fire, I loved the way it looked. It was like a Mac book, but it was like more squared off. And it had the RGB lights on it, on the lid.

Oh my gosh. It's kind of fire, that's why I wanna see another, like, good metal Google laptop. I love that one. The two-tone, that's what I was talking about. Yeah, the second generation Pixelbook that was like insanely thin and had the two tone, that was awesome.

I used that for years. And like the benefit of Chrome OS was that it just keeps getting updated constantly. So it's like, you know, it's kind of limited by the processor, but I never really felt limited. So. Well, the benefit of changing Chrome OS to Android OS,

or whatever we call it, is a bunch of children in schools learning how to use Android before they buy their iPhone, and then maybe buy an Android instead. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, if they made it pair even better with your phone, it just naturally had all of your files or something like that. If there was some sort of local file sync,

that would be pretty amazing. Isn't that kind of already what Chrome OS does? If you log in with your Gmail account at school, it'll just have all your Google Drive files. Yeah, I mean, as long as you have literally everything in Google Cloud services, which is what they want. Yeah, if you're a Google guy, big Google guy. Big Google guy over here.

I'm more interested in the Chrome OS part coming to Android. Less so that Chrome OS is becoming Android. What specifically about Chrome OS do you want to come to Android? The whole plug in your phone to a monitor and you don't have a computer. That's the part that I'm super hyped on. I'm happy for you, Adam. I'm happy for you, and I'm happy for all those Dex fans

and Android on display fans out there I'm just like wondering who has a display that is just sitting around where they're like perfect time to plug in my phone to a display It's I think a lot of people do like a lot of people go to work and just have like their monitors at work You know and then you go home and if even if you don't have like a home monitors at work, you know, and then you go home. And if, even if you don't have like a home computer type of situation set up, most people have phones. So to not have to buy a whole new computer just for home and just to have your displays

and you go from place to place. I mean, this has been the dream for years that everyone has been trying forever. But I think this is finally, potentially, maybe could happen. I feel like it's like the dream of a modular phone. Like this dream of one computer for everything also gets resurrected and dies every couple years.

With so many people working remote now and with how easy the majority, I'm not saying the job is easy, but how easy the compute is on a lot of jobs. Like if you're selling insurance or like, there's so many things where you're just on emails and pretty basic like web apps that any phone we have right now could run it no problem.

And it'd be super easy. Any phone. Almost any phone. Yeah, I mean, it would be great if, you know, you could take your Pixel Fold and just be like, small screen, big screen. Yeah. And I think right now what's a little weird

is that to have a consistent experience, you have to kind of plug into a monitor. But there's wireless decks. And if they can get that better, and when Google eventually does this, if it can work wirelessly, you just don't even take your phone out of your pocket, that's the dream. That would be the dream.

That's my dream, at least. Maybe. Yeah. Sorry. No, you're good. I was just going to say, it's interesting to say I'm wondering how, when Google sort of announces this more and if we're gonna see stuff at the Pixel event potentially

that's theoretically happening in August, so. I was gonna say, maybe you don't leave it in your pocket. You put it on your new Qi 2.2 charger. Oh, shoot. Segway. Wow. Well played. Well played.

Well, we're getting Chi 2.2. More horns. But where's Chi 2? Yeah, Chi 2, we did a whole episode about Chi 2 when it first got announced. We did a little deep dive. We did an interview with one of the people at the Wireless Power Consortium about what it is.

If you don't know, basically, Apple kind of like, I don't know if donated is the right word, because they probably are going to get something out of it. But they worked with the Wireless Power Consortium know, basically, Apple kind of like, I don't know if donated is the right word, because they probably are going to get something out of it. But they worked with the wireless power consortium to retrofit magnets into the standard. So now magsafe, it's not the exact same array, I don't believe, but it's basically aligning the phone more directly with the wireless power transfer so that it gets more power through it. This aligns pretty well with the rumor that Apple is going to add 45 watt wireless charging

to either the next generation of iPhones or after that with MagSafe. But now Qi is expanding the standard and we have moved on to Qi 2.2. So do you wanna talk about what it adds? Basically it adds 25 watt charging speeds. Nice. Which is good. It's awesome, yeah, yeah. Cause it was watt charging speeds. Nice. Which is good.

It's awesome. Yeah, yeah. Cause it was only 15 before. It was limited to 15. Qi2 was 15 watts, yeah. Yeah, it was great. And I mean, we still only had it in that one HMD Skyline and then the iPhone 16s, not the 16e had Qi2 support.

And then we got into that whole annoying thing of, is it Qi2 or is it Cheeto ready, which means it can add the accessories with the magnets. Have they changed anything? Can we still confirm it's Cheeto means magnets? So I guess, yes, Cheeto support would just mean it can take the power, but doesn't have the magnets. Oh, right. Cause that's the confusing part. And I feel like it's changed. It was regular Chi-Chi and then the Chi-Chi ready was the other thing.

Chi-Chi ready can be put on a device, meaning there will be an accessory that gives it the magnets. So Chi-Chi itself requires magnets to say Chi-Chi at all, but you can brand something as Chi-Chi ready if you sell an accessory that adds the magnets. Which is a lot of them just modeling a magnet case. Yeah.

And which is decently useful. There's also QiTu certified, but like put it in the file. Yeah, so what if like, if it has QiTu support or like it's certified QiTu. That's like for chargers and stuff, right? But does it have to have, oh yeah, maybe you're right. I think that's for chargers. So the iPhone 16, I guess it has the magnet,

so it can do that. There's some, so I asked this question because there's also rumors that the Pixel 10 will have QiTu support, but there's no rumors about it necessarily having the magnets. So would that not be QiTu ready, or does that just mean it can take up to the new, the wireless charger wattage standards?

I think that would be QiTu ready, and then Google will probably sell magnet cases, I believe. That'd be my unfortunate guess. Yeah, but after a very long wait, there are finally some companies that are putting out Qi2 accessories. 2.2 accessories. 2.2 accessories, even better.

The future is here. Yeah, so Belkin, Anchor, and Ugreen all now have products that are Qi2 certified for 25 watt Qi2 charging. It seems like this is gonna be a big push in the next couple of months because there's all this news coming out. The Qi Twitter account, Qi Power Twitter account just tweeted today as of recording

that there is a lot of news coming in about a week, which to me probably just means that it's gonna be not a lot of news coming in about a week, which to me probably just means that it's gonna be not a lot of news. It's gonna just be like reclarifying like what happened before and saying, there are now products on the market that use this, you can actually go buy it, that kind of thing. I just realized, so I screenshotted the tweet

from the Cheap Hour. Remember we were just talking about that one billion engagement tweet, but how many views this tweet has? 38. 38. 38. I just was like, is that a super early screenshot? So I went to the cheap power Twitter

and it currently has 58, now 59, thanks to me. Are we in niche podcast? Yeah, we are on the bleeding edge, you guys. We're getting those news to you ASAP. Well, yeah. I wanted to ask a question though, cause I was kind of thinking about this before. If you had to guess what next phone

would actually get QiTu support, like after the HMD Skyline? If you had to guess a phone. Some Chinese phone, like an Oppo phone. The HMD Skyline 2. That's actually a really good guess. That's not a good guess. It's been like a year since that came out.

I was kind of thinking a Chinese folding phone because I feel like we're getting to the point we keep seeing in all these thin folding phones where like the USB-C port almost doesn't fit on the outside anymore. The problem is if you add the magnets that adds a bunch of extra. That's also very true.

So I feel like they would probably do Qi2 ready. But then you. Had a case. Well, I'm saying it because there would be no USB-C ports. So then you would have to have a case. But you're saying they're gonna get rid of the USB-C port. They wanna make thinner. They can't really go any thinner right now

with the USB-C port. I don't want something that thin. What if there's gonna be like a camera bump and a USB-C port bump into future phones? That's actually probably gonna happen. Wait. USB-C port bump and a USB-C port bump in the future phones? That's actually probably gonna happen. USB-C port bump? A USB-C port bump, yeah. The camera bump just goes up to the top

like the S21, S22 where it went into the rails with the camera bump. And then the USB-C ports there and the rest of the phone is thinner. It's so thin that it's like this and then right when it gets to the bottom, it just gets a little thicker at the bottom. Or cameras are top left, USB is bottom right,

so it fixes the rock on the table by counteracting itself with an opposite bump on the back. Or, hear me out, I hate this, two day battery life. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, all day and that's the final offer. You'll have all day battery and you'll like it. And we dictate what all day means.

Yeah, not on the new iOS beta though, because the new iOS beta is trash for bad. Yeah, if you're using a beta, don't get too excited. My phone died yesterday for like the first time in 10 years. It was not good. Welcome to Ellis's world. Yeah. Welcome to twice every day for Ellis.

Now I want this to be a recurring segment. So Ellis, what is your battery percentage right now? And what time of day is it? And what time of day is it? So it's still under 70? I have charged my phone already this morning. Like, who's getting the sent you out to work? Yeah, my phone probably came off the charger.

I woke up pretty early this morning, so I'm gonna say my phone came off the charger at 7.50 a.m. It is currently 11.40 a.m. And I charged my phone for a little bit while we were getting water and stuff. So anyone wanna take? 73. 73?

68. 68. We're guessing. 70, is it Price is Right rules? No, this is just delta. There's also no prize. I was gonna say, you Price is Righted me last time we guessed this.

I'm gonna say 76. Adam. 74, 74, 74. 82. Marques is literally exact. Oh no, sorry Marques, it is 69. I'm sorry. I like that you gave my phone too much credit.

What was your guess Marques? 68. Oh, that's crazy. And we're still out here. You know what was really funny? Yeah. Again, last night we went to a taping of the acquired podcast.

We did shout out to those guys. And someone, listener on the pod ran into him there and he was like, it's so great to finally meet you, man. And then I pull out my phone to like answer a text or something and he was like, there it is. I was like, I can never. That was Parker, right? Yeah, yeah.

We're gonna frame that phone when you're done with it. It might be me on fire. He said, he was like, you know, what are you gonna do with the phone when you get rid of it? And we were talking about it, I was like, Don't get rid of it. This is the most perfect opportunity in my life

for a charity auction. Like I will never in my life have anything that anyone would actually want like this. And it's not like Apple's gonna give me any money for it. No, dude. So you know what you need to do? Your estate sale is gonna go hard. When I die?

When you die. When I die. Keep it until you die and then I will manage the estate sale. If my purple 12 minis memory lives beyond mine, I will be, I did something really wrong. But yeah, so yeah, I think the move is gonna be removing the battery and charity auction.

And maybe you could have a non-functional framed Purple 12 Mini. You should just replace the battery. I have so many. Yeah, I was gonna say. It doesn't matter. Yeah. I mean, facts.

Here, while I completely, now this is the Ellis's battery podcast. Let's see what my battery health is at. Yeah, what's the- Oh no. Cause it's high. Really? It was- Above 80? I mean, notably one of the biggest improvements

in the 13 mini from the 12 mini was that they improved the battery life by like three hours. It's 84% health. That's not good. That's not very high. That's not good. It's been a while since I got a phone. Not a lot of people's phones are below that.

Yeah. I'm sure there's plenty of people out there, but. In the comments. I just wouldn't call it high. I just wouldn't call it high. That's not high. Comment your battery health. That's 85%.

I mean, I'm not the best answer because I switch phones a lot, but I've. That's 50% less, I don't think I've ever gone under 90. What? 90. I got the battery swapped out in this like a year and a half ago. Oh my God.

I mean, the thing is also like a lot of charge cycles means. Did he stutter? Oh, that's true. A lot of charge. I am. So, I mean, you have a, it's a small battery to begin with and then it's a lot of charge cycles. So it will degrade faster because it's more charge.

And it's like it's fully dying and fully charging. And yeah, oh, that's not between 20 and 80. It would last. That would give me like an hour and a half. Did I stutter 20 days? Actually, that's like a blink. It's like why even care about your battery health when it only lasts a few hours anyway. It's like I want to make sure it keeps lasting only a few hours.

Yeah, yeah. That's for sure, like when you lease an electric car, when you buy an electric car, you're like, well, I wanna only charge to 80 so that I can have it last as long as possible. When you lease it, you're like, go to 100, right? Like, who cares? One test every time, but yeah.

Yeah, that's funny. All right, well. Yeah, anyway, we'll see more about this Chi-2 stuff in a week, so I guess maybe next week we'll be able to talk about this. Do you know what number comes after two? This is so good. 25. Is it elite?

This is an elite transition. It's three, like the Sony RX1R3. That wasn't the only transition I ever heard. I really freaked it up. I'm sorry. I like yours better. Yes. I thought we were going to trivia.

I was like, where, how? You know what goes after two? Trivia. When he said three, I was like, where, how? You know what goes after two? Trivia. When he said three, I was like, threevia? Threevia. Okay, new point and shoot camera just dropped. So many questions here. Did you have a hot take on this?

You said this is the best, right? No. Who's saying this is good? Nobody. Oh. Oh, wait. There's the segment. I thought somebody was saying this is good.

Dude, I do not understand the point of this camera. I, someone who Andrew pointed out in a DM, I didn't give you enough credit, but I did enjoy the previous RX series. So I kind of messed up. You liked the RX 100s. I didn't even realize the RX 1R2 because I didn't see the marks on them.

Yeah, the last one from this version was like nine years ago. It was 2015, it was 10 years ago. So I've been a notable RX100 lover since like the first gen one, and now there's been like seven or eight of them or something crazy. That's a one inch sensor, that's smaller,

but it has, you can't take the lens off, but it is a zoom lens. So it's a nice little pocket zooming little camera. This is a full frame fixed lens prime. All right, let me give you the ecosystem breakdown. And nobody said the price yet. I just wanna point that out. Yeah, we'll get to that.

We'll get to that. Okay, so you've all heard of the Fujifilm X100 series. Yeah. One of the most legendary point and shoot camera series available, right? That's APS-C. For listeners, APS-C is smaller than full frame. Okay.

Then in the other corner, you've got the Leica Q3, which it's a Leica, so it's $6,000. That is full frame point. These are all point and shoot cameras, by the way. Fixed lens, point and shoot cameras, Leica Q3. Then you've got- Fixed lens prime. Prime.

One focal length. Yes, sorry, fixed lens prime cameras, yes. I got you got the- Fixon's Prime. Prime. One focal length. Yes, sorry, Fixon's Prime cameras, yes. I got you, dude. Good job, Ellis. Okay, and then you've got the Fuji GFX100 RF, which I reviewed a few months ago. Medium format. Medium format, okay.

So the ecosystem of this is limited right now. Especially before the RF came out, your only options, I mean, there were some, but kind of your only options was like, do I wanna get an X100? There's also, oh, there's also the Ricoh GR3, which is very popular as well. So when you say ecosystem, you mean there's a certain buyer

who is specifically looking for a Somewhat compact. Yes full-frame. Well large sensor Fixed lens compact camera fixed prime lens and then also I would say high megapixel whether or not the sensor itself is big All of these cameras have above 30 megapixels. Basically, it's the like one No, the RX the x106 does have a 40 megapixel sensor. These are all above 30 megapixel. They're above. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the idea is like one camera to rule them all, right?

Like there's been so like photography is complicated. You don't have to buy like $1,000 lenses to just be able to like hot swap. You want to be able to have one little thing around your shoulder that you can just carry with you everywhere. And generally, it's been like, well, you can get the X100 for $1,700, which used to be even cheaper, or you can get the Leica Q3 for $6,000. So there just wasn't a lot in the ecosystem.

The Ricoh GR3 came out and that's sort of like a cult favorite. Anyway, there wasn't a lot in the full frame market. But 10 years ago, there was the RX1 Mark II, and there was the RX1 before that. And that was like Sony's entry, because every camera company sort of needs sort of an option, because the Fuji X100 series was so ridiculously popular, that every other company

was like, we have to make our own version. That's basically what spurred Sony to bring it back. So now they're like, okay, finally, we're bringing it back after 10 years, the market is here, people finally want this. And so they added the, so okay, there's so much context. The context of Sony cameras is that there's three versions of Sony cameras.

There's the S version, which is low megapixel, which gives it way better low light performance, better video specs because they have to push less data through. I like the R. Yeah, we're getting there. There's the regular one that doesn't have a letter that is the in-between one. And then there's the R, which stands for resolution.

And that's the high megapixel version. Sony's most recent R cameras, the A7R5, yeah, is 61 megapixels, that sensor's 61 megapixels, so they're pushing that into this full-frame point-and-shoot camera, so you're basically getting A7R5 specs, sort in a compact point and shoot body because Sony realized they needed to do that. The problem is many fold, except that it doesn't fold.

That's one of the problems. It has no articulating viewfinder, which is like a big problem. Its OVF is like lower resolution than most other cameras. It is 4K at 30 FPS only with video, which is kind of surprising. I'm surprised they're not doing more of that. The biggest problem is it's $5,100.

That is the issue. So okay, honestly. Also no IBIS. Also no IBIS, yeah. And a lot of people gave Fuji a lot of crap, including me, for not putting IBIS in the GFX100RF, and that's a medium format camera. So to not put it in a full frame camera is like what?

It's like, what are you doing? Yes, it's more expensive than the Fuji, and people love Fuji because of the color science, and you can just spit out these film modes. This also has film modes, but they don't really look that good. They don't really look like film. They're just sort of, you know.

And yeah, so I don't know what percentage of this is tariffs, like tariff-based, and what percentage of it is just Sony thinking like, wow, people really love point and shoots right now. We can totally make a lot of money at this. Yeah. So it's a lot of drama. I feel like that's definitely a meeting that happened.

They're like, we need an answer to Fuji's success in this vertical. There's not a lot of competition in this vertical, so we don't have to be price competitive. We can just make it $5,000 or whatever. But we just need a competitor in this vertical for someone to pick the Sony version. Yeah, 100%.

And they just made a Sony version. 100%. And it's not great, but it exists and you can pick it if you want. Dude, but if you were like, I want to point and shoot and my budget is $6,000. First of all, if you said that to yourself, you could probably see a psychiatrist, frankly.

Well, there are people like that. If you're gonna spend $6,000 on a camera, you can get so much camera. You know what I mean? At that point, it's not like I think people are buying it less about the capability of the

camera and more just about like the feeling of the camera. But that's the opposite of what Sony is. I know that. Sony is a computer with a lens strapped onto it. And this camera doesn't even do the computer stuff well.

What is it, five shots a second burst mode? I don't know, I didn't see that one. No, I feel like all the Sony A series also are just like, these have crazy specs on them. They're really good cameras. They take really good pictures, but when you immediately compare this to Fuji, I was like, I had so much fun taking the X100S out

to Wildwood because it's just fun to shoot on and all the film things are fun. And it's an experience where Sony, I just think of it as like, yeah, I want the sickest high like high resolution photo possible. Sharpest lenses, they own Zeiss. And that thousand frames a second and like sports photography.

I shoot at ISO 10 million for no reason. Yeah. It's like the RTX 5090 versus. Right. It's like the scientist versus the artist, right? It's very much that. So it feels like a weird spot to be jumping into. Yeah, and like a lot of people

including me, we're saying on the RF, though, GFX 100 RF, if you're you know, if you're it's it's too close to the Leica in price, when the like the Leica by the way has IBIS. So there's that. It is also 60 megapixels. So it's like, you know, it's not like the Sony is way higher on this like have autofocus yeah okay the yeah the q3 the q3 is an f1.7 lens so it's like even faster than the Sony which is f2 it's 28 millimeter instead of a 35 millimeter it's just like I Sony's core competency has always been as you said Andrew like specs resolution there's another product There's another product like this, it's so funny,

where it's like you see the new version as a competitor and it just makes you wanna buy. This, seeing this camera just makes me go, I should get a Leica Q3. Yeah, no, 100%. Like I was telling a friend yesterday, like this camera makes the RF seem like a steal at $4,900 and it makes the Q3 seem reasonable.

Which is wild. So I don't really know what Sony was thinking here. Wow, the Leica shoots 8K 30, that's crazy. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, man, I'm gonna get the Leica then. This camera doesn't really make a ton of sense to me. Is there a person, is there really a person out there whose camera budget is that high

and their number one priority is pocketability. Like that's the only thing this camera has going for it. Okay, I've hung out at the Leica store in New York before. There are people that walk in and just like, yeah, I don't know, I was like thinking maybe I should have a camera to carry around with me. Like, what is that? And they're like, oh, that's the Q3.

And they're like, okay, I'll take it. Yeah, and then they just pay 6,000. Unfortunately, that person exists in every hobby and it's really frustrating people in the hobby that exist in watches, that exist in cars. People walk into the- We know someone who does it in watches for sure. Not gonna say their name out loud,

but it rhymes with, it rhymes with Sark Suckerberg. Oh, Sark Suckerberg. Well, Zuck picked up the CT5V Blackwing and probably just walked in the dealership and was like, people like this one? I'll take three. There's also like no culture around Sony. There's culture around like a,

there's culture around- There is some enthusiast culture with Sony, I think. Now it's like the creator culture. I feel it's like creator YouTube. But they all hate each other. All they do is argue on threads. None of them are hanging out. As someone who is very skeptical of Sony cameras

and just had my first weekend with one, they're pretty- I love them. They're amazing. With all due respect, you're using like a 15 year old one. No, I'm using a Mark III, an A7. It's pretty old. It's 2018. We got that close to when I started working here.

That's 20 years ago. I'm just kidding. It feels like it though. I'm just saying. I don't know if I should take that as a compliment or not. Did you guys know that the year three was 2022 years ago, man? Wow, yeah.

Oh yeah. I... Did you know? I just have to find this curious, David, because I just found a tweet from six years ago of you saying they should make a Sony RX100 III and now you don't seem to like it. That's not wrong though. People have been saying this for the last few years ever since the X100 got so popular, but then they dropped it at $5,100 with no articulating.

If they were to redo this the Sony way, what I would have expected from an RXR Mark III, RX1R Mark III, yeah, it would be like, oh, it has a super fast, great autofocus. They went f1.6 just to beat them. They went slightly undercutting in price and more megapixels and they added a bunch of functions that the others didn't have,

so they could claim theirs is better. 100%. And it seems like they didn't do it the Sony way. It's not better than literally any other camera. It's weird. So I that it's in the in its category. So I just don't understand. Yeah, I don't know. It's weird. Can't wait for the Sony engineers to hit us up. Welcome to my rant. Um, yeah, they will they'll be mad at me. I'm sorry. But I'm also not. So

okay. Well, speaking of really fast. Hold on, hold on. I just, I gotta hop in here real quick because I just wanna say. Sorry, okay. You guys are right. You know, this is an eight year old camera. It's not exactly a new camera.

But when you pull up the side by side specs. It's a good camera. They are identical. Like. Which camera? You have an A7S Mark III? A7, you have an A7R III. It's R Mark III. Oh, you have an R7s mark 3 a7 3 Like 42 megapixels using a7r3. Yes. I'm sorry. I totally know it is still You're not improved. Look they have the same burst rate

They have almost the same sensor the with slightly bigger light buckets on the three Yeah, you do get 20 extra megapixels, which is not nothing in the newest one. But other than that, like same base ISOs, like it is functionally, the buffer size is way bigger on the five. But the image engine is, I don't know. Anyway, let's just, you know, you want to transition? You know what you guys don't know?

Yeah. Oh. What if we know't know? Yeah. Oh. What if we know it though? Yeah. What if we do that? This is an exciting question. I'm, I, sometimes these are really risky ones because it's really open-ended,

but I think we're going to have some fun with this one. And this is, we're talking about Chi 2.2, which any time I hear you guys say that, there's like a famous Fred Astaire song from a movie in the late 20s, early 30s. That has a song called Dancing Cheek to Cheek. And so I always just hear dancing she to Cheek. Wow.

That's awesome. This set up was crazy for that one. Can we make like an album where we just remix like old songs as tech songs? Yeah, but they all have to be crooner songs. What does that mean? Whatever. That means you don all have to be crooner songs. What does that mean? Uh, whatever. Um. That means you don't want to know the answer.

Guys, I would like you guys to name every company that you can think of. So there's lots of points up for grabs here. It might take a while. Period, name every company. Oh, you like capitalism? Oh, game-ish. Every company you can think of that released a product

that had Chi in it before Apple. Oh. Not including. Just the whole company, not the product. The whole company, you don't have to name the product, but the product that they released did have to be sold in the US. So I will not.

Sorry to head start. So like, for example, I'm just gonna. What if it was sold at B&A? Cause like, for example, have to be sold in the US. So I will not. So like for example, I'm just gonna. What if it was sold at B&H? Cause like for example. That's in the US. Yeah, but like Sony phones are only sold at B&H in the US, and Asus phones are also only sold at B&H in the US. Correct, I will accept those.

And I'm just gonna spoil one of the answers here. Like for example, I will accept HTC because HTC's 2012 phone with Qi was sold in the US. I will not accept Huawei, Oppo, Xiaomi. I just don't wanna do that research right now. And I will have to fact check a lot of your answers. I have a pretty comprehensive list up. But I will also have a, I will,

if you want me to fact check them, I'll give you a model name for any of the ones you're not sure about, just because I know what I'm talking about. Can I throw something in there? Sure. You should get a point off if it doesn't have it, because I could just right now

start listing every company I know. You just got a point. Oh God, okay. And then also, wireless charging is not what I said. I said she. Oh, okay. And then also wireless charging is not what I said. I said chi. Oh, interesting. So I forget, resonance, resence, resistance. You know what I'm talking about?

No, no, it's like resonance, but with a Z and no O. It was the thing that predated chi. That old charging standard. Yeah, that lost. Beta max. Beta max, yeah, exactly, I won't accept that. Anyway, so start to think, by the way, I won't accept that. I won't accept that. I won't accept that. I won't accept that. I won't accept that. I won't accept that. I won't accept that.

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gigabyte.com slash laptops slash all dash series. That's G-I-G-A-B-Y-T-E dot com slash laptops slash all hyphen Siri. All right, welcome back. There's been this rumor that Samsung is working on a trifold and that it's maybe coming out this year. Do you remember when the like first, do you remember they put that timeline up

about the XR glasses and then just completely skipped over that there was a trifold in there? Yeah. That's when we first kind of saw it. During the last unpacked before this one that just happened, right? Yeah, the one at the beginning of this year. Yeah so the the rumors have continued to come out and I think now it's confirmed because

TM Rowe just was talking about that they're working on a trifold. So there's some new quotes and he said I Expect we will be able to launch the trifold phone within this year Yeah So now we're we're full on trying to figure out what to expect, what it is, how it will Tri-Fold. That's actually kind of the biggest question is, how will it Tri-Fold? Because there's more than one way to do,

they already showed an animation of how it Tri-Folds. Yeah, Marques hasn't seen this yet. Oh, you haven't seen it yet. So Android Authority found some animations in One UI 8, I think. My alma mater. And two of them kind of show, I have them up here. We'll put them on the screen and I'll try to describe them

for audio listeners. The first one is an animation or just a photo from behind the phone. So say you opened it all open and you would be looking at the backside. The left panel is technically behind when it's. Yeah, it is confusing. So like if you were looking at the backside. The left panel. It's technically behind when it's. Yeah, it is confusing. So like if you were looking at the fully open screen,

the back part of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So on the left panel, you have the camera bump. On the middle panel, you have the front screen. And on the right panel, you have a blank, no screen at all. A backing of one of the sides. This is like a Mobius. I just wanna see like, yeah, so what are your thoughts here

before we go to the animation that might show it a little better after this? I'm trying to figure, so this is gonna have... It's middle out. Thank you. Cause the back has to... Your joke from a few weeks ago. There's no, so the camera is not gonna fold

onto the front screen, so it has to fold the other way. And so then the other side folds. And that then the other side folds. That's the- So the Huawei, the Huawei remember did that thing where it sort of like- Folding outside. It goes like a Z. It goes like a Z.

Yeah. It does that and it's always weird because when you're like opening and closing it, you almost break it every time because you think it's supposed to be like- Because you fold it backwards. Yeah. This one goes the natural way.

So I believe the idea is because it's so thin, you're actually, the hinge that the back closes over the middle part on is like thick enough so that you can actually just sort of like double fold them. The reason we know this is because there's another animation that one of them is specifically a UI element or like an instruction that the phone will vibrate and send an alert.

If, so when the phone is open, both the outsides fold into the middle, which obviously means it has to be kind of offset in order to do that. So if you fold the camera on the right side in first, the camera would be facing the screen that's gonna fold on top of it. Yeah.

Don't do that. Alert. You might break it, so an alert's gonna pop up. I hope all you audio listeners can visualize this in your head. I was gonna say, this is visualizing things in 3D space is the reason I failed organic chemistry. I think this is easier than when we were trying

to describe the Huawei one. Because this is just, imagine opening a menu, right? Like you open it and you're holding the two sides and there's one flat piece in front of you. Or if you ever did the science fair as a kid, I know some of you guys are guys like me and you had the tri board or whatever. Yeah, the tri fold.

And the middle was like, you had the middle and then each side folded in front. And so you'd fold them both the same way. Yeah, I guess that's cool. Is it the fold on top of each other? Yeah, so if you look, if you scroll down a little bit, there's one more in the animation of One UI Eight. Look really closely at the hinges

at the bottom of this picture. One is larger than the other one. So the left side will fold in first, and then the right side, which at this point has the camera bump on the back, folds on top of that. And that back of the left side is a blank face. This is good detective work. I wonder, so is the fact that this is more intuitive

going to matter to regular people when they go to like look at it in a store? Because if you have a phone sitting in front of you, I mean, cause I'm thinking about like, how are they gonna sell this? It's gonna be very expensive. It's gonna be maybe in some stores, but it's a Samsung phone.

So Samsung is gonna try to move these, is the fact that these move in a maybe slightly more intuitive way a big part of why they did it like this? Yes. Yeah, I think that to get regular people to not break them, yes. The intuitiveness of people who buy the old lady at the airport, right?

Not able to use her S Pen anymore. It's gonna be nicer for her because she could probably not use the Huawei one. She would probably break that pretty quickly. The Huawei one is confusing. I'm wondering, we saw all the thinness of the latest Fold 7. It would make sense of being able

to make one hinge slightly bigger. We also know that a lot of these folding screens, when the hinges close, they kind of give themselves some room to curve a little more for space. Yeah. So it's not folding quite at like creasing on top of each other. So this gives it more room actually to fold inside of it. I would also not be surprised if they use the same, like sort of micro teardrop technology that Motorola used in the right razor where the screen sort of like teardrop technology that Motorola used in the Razr

where the screen sort of like teardropped inside the hinge. And like shifts almost. Yeah. Yeah. The thing about it is though, I don't care how many warning signs you have about this, someone is going to fold this the wrong way. Right side in first. If I think of a menu,

I almost always think about having the top part fold out left first then to the right, which this is actually not that. I mean, it would be nice there. Okay, this is insanely pure speculation. Almost all of this. Yes, it would be cool if there was some sort of mechanism, mechanical mechanism where you have to have folded

the left half first in order for the right to even budge. Like unlock. There was some sort of little micro lock system in there. That would be cool. I wonder if you could though, set this up on a table like Marques is saying, like a science fair poster. Yeah.

And have like your whole thing sitting. Oh dude, a hundred. Yeah. That's pretty sick. And Chrome and Android are merging. Yeah. The future is. It's happening.

It's happening. I got a breaking news for you guys. This just got, just hit my inbox. Oh no. New Google Pixel event, August 20th. August 20th, it's happening. Put it on my calendar. But made by Google.

Is it in New York? Let's see, my event says Brooklyn. Yes, let's go. Oh, I just got the email too. I realize I say this on the podcast. Oh no, I didn't. Sorry. That was Megan Fox.

Megan Fox emailed me again. She's emailing you about the pixel 10. The hell Google was my email. I just dropped it. I actually didn't get an email. Dropped a little tweet real quick. It's just a podcast. So I'm guessing we're getting the tens and then maybe pixel 10, pixel 10 pro

pixel 10 pro fold pixel 10 trif laptop. Pixel 10, Pixel 10 Pro, Pixel 10 Pro Fold. Pixel 10 Tri Fold. Pixel 10 Tri Fold. Pixel 10 Chromebook. Pixel 10 laptop pro. Book Pro. Yeah. Ultra. Oh, there are new, this is not even a joke.

There are new Pixel Bud Pros coming out that are apparently quite expensive. You know what's crazy? Interesting. I land back from China the day before this. Oh my. That's the first thing I looked at when you said that day. You're gonna be jet lagged.

Let's go. I'm ready, I'm gonna just jump right back in. Just stay in my cellar with me, I've got space. This is a good time to say that there will be multiple weeks in August where Marquez is out. Oh yeah. Is this a good time? This is probably a good time.

We're getting a divorce. Yeah. I might have, do we mention this a good time? It's playing World Ultimate. This is probably a good time. We're getting a divorce. Yeah. I might've, do we mention this a couple months ago that I'm playing on the Team USA World Games team? I think we've said that before. That has involved several training camps and several practice weekends leading up till now,

but the tournament itself, the World Championships, is in Chengdu, China, and it's two weeks long, and it is in August, and I will miss two rounds of trivia questions. Maybe three. Yeah, maybe three, but definitely two podcast episodes. So I'll be coming back right as the pixel event happens. Sick. Perfect.

Well, yeah, that's just your pre forewarning. That doesn't mean the episodes will be any less bangers. That just means I will have to be sent to trivia questions somehow so I can make sure I get my answers. With the time difference and everything. I was kind of thinking if we hit you up for a five minute recap of how the day went.

Like, oh, we lost this game, we won this game. Like your little report from China. Yeah, maybe, that'd be fun. There's definitely gonna be a lot of work. And 12 hour time zone difference is a challenge. But we may overcome it. It may be fun. There's definitely gonna be a lot of work and 12 hour time zone difference is a challenge, but we may overcome it. It may be fun. What if we just brought you in remote live?

For the whole thing? Live? We have to pick a crazy hour for you guys. It would have to be crazy for you. Why does it have to be crazy for us? Like if it's a normal hour for me. Who are we? It's a crazy hour for you.

Wow, you care about your team more than us. It's definitely gonna be tough to be out for both hours. This team. Come on. What if I just don't sleep? You know, you should sleep. You should sleep. I don't want you to even joke about that. Have you ever been to China before?

I have not. Oh, really? Is this your first time? Yeah. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. I will say at least it usually takes two days for the jet lag to hit. It took me two days for Japan. So I think it's going to take me at takes two days for the jet lag to hit. It took me two days for Japan.

So I think it's gonna take me at least two days for China. Yeah. Yeah. You know there's apps where you can like change and shift your sleep schedule. Yeah, that starts to mess up my schedule here. Yeah, but only for like a couple of days. I just need to sleep on the flight basically.

You can do that. Yeah, for like way more than a normal sleep. You need to sleep on the flight, basically. You can do that. Yeah, for like way more than a normal sleep. We'll just give you a lot of sleeping pills. I'll figure out a way to sleep on the flight. How do we- Do we have price guesses? 2,500. 25.

Or 27. Probably 25. For the trifold? For the trifold. 27.99 wouldn't surprise me. They just made the bi-fold 2,000. 2,000 to start. Oh yeah. 27.99 wouldn't surprise me. They just made the bi-fold 2000. 2000 to start. Oh yeah.

27.99. Just saying it's gonna be 27. Maybe 27. That would be crazy. Yeah, it's gonna be three grand. That would be crazy. It's definitely gonna be three grand. I know, my dad works at Samsung.

Okay, 27.99. How much is a one-turbite fold? Wait, how much is the excess, the mate, excess, mate? That's like three, that mate excess, mate excess. That's like three, that's $3,000. You can't get it here, so I don't know. It was the equivalent. It was like approximately.

It was like approximately like 3,000, yeah. At this very moment, a one terabyte Z Fold 7 is $2,420. It's gonna be 3K or 2799. But imagine, just imagine, just imagine, for a sec, dragons, dragons. If you had one of those little foldable keyboards and then you also had a little stand and you would just have a laptop with you all the time. Yeah, I don't know.

It's so cool. It's happening. And it runs Chrome OS. It is gonna be funny because they're gonna have to, this is the first, maybe not the first, but this is gonna be interesting seeing Samsung have to justify the tri-fold over the dual-fold, which means they're gonna have to show examples of things

that you want the tri-fold for, that they wouldn't have already shown us for the dual-fold. Using it as a laptop. Like Dex? I don't see the value in the bi-fold really at all, especially if this exists. Well, only being cheaper. I mean, if you want an eight inch screen in your pocket,

this, you know, fold, Z Fold 7 is gonna be that. If you want, what is this? This would be like a 10 inch diagonal tablet in your pocket or something like that. It's not bad. Then this is that. Which is what everyone wants. If someone's spending $2,000 for the regular fold,

They're gonna get this. They're gonna get the three. They're gonna spend an extra three. Yeah, they're gonna get the three. They're gonna spend an extra. They'll spend the extra. If you're Samsung, that's why it makes sense to come out with this and test those markets and figure out if that's true or not and see how many people convert.

That's true for me. But yeah, it's not gonna be cheap. That's for sure. For my blue bubble homies. The name got rumor leaked. Oh yeah, we skipped past that part. Did you see? Yeah, the G, the Samsung G Fold.

Galaxy G Fold. Galaxy G Fold is what I called G. I think Samsung has the potential to do something hilarious here because Samsung translates in Korean to three stars. And one of the most hilariously named cars in the world is the Ferrari LaFerrari, the Ferrari LaFerrari. So Samsung could potentially call this the Samsung, the Samsung.

And it would pay homage to the both the three stars and the company's names and the three, guys, this was the joke I said I was gonna tell and I said, you have to laugh. That's really good. Ironically, this should be the Z fold because it actually is a Z. That is so much funnier than what I just said.

That is so true. They should have called the other one the C fold or something. Or like the V fold. They could have called the V fold. V. Damn, it's too late now. But then, yeah. It's not really a V though, because it's more like a U.

No, the current fold. Oh, the current fold. Oh, yeah. The V fold really a V though, cause it's more like a U. No, the current fold. Oh, the current fold. Which should be the V fold. This literally could be the Z. Or the U fold. No, you're right, David. Oh yeah, the Huawei, I keep forgetting, mate XS? XS.

XS is the trifold? That does make a Z. I thought they always did it because the two folds next to each other made the Z. But they called it that before they did the flip. They named it that because you have an excess of screens. But it's a Z. Yeah, I know.

No, I'm talking about the Huawei. The Huawei. Oh. All right, we're off the rails. Anyway. Well, it was just enough time for Adam to get the thing we forgot. Really funny joke, Ellis.

Now, as we move on to Adam's thing. You could say that joke was classic. Ayo! We would say that because it's a good transition to the unboxing that Adam's about to do. Adam, what are you holding right now? The Galaxy Watch 8 Classic. Is that right?

This is it. Are you a potential candidate to buy a watch like this? Probably not because I no longer have a Samsung phone. But I'm excited to see what it is, like how it looks and feels. Sure. Here we go. Why you do this, I'm just gonna...

Well, I don't think the audio listeners wanna listen to that. Someone on our podcast or on our subreddit posted the spec comparison between the watch seven and the watch eight, just the regular ones. It is exactly the same minus a like 0.2 gram difference. And obviously the like cushion design, it's very funny, but you can buy a watch seven right now for 150 bucks on Amazon. Wow. That's a crazy deal, especially because it's the exact same specs. How much is the watch eight? The watch eight is what? Yes. Or if you're here or something, it's the same chip.

It is like paying for a new design pretty much and the new wear OS, but I'm assuming that'll get out come to the other. Yeah Yeah, wow, that's incredible. Wait, does this does this will the old one get the run coach thing? Yeah, coach. I have that one wants that Samsung always likes to announce something and then two weeks later It's available. It is right there by a thousand nits. Yeah, that's nice Is that three thousand three thousand, right? It's three thousand nits versus two thousand. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's nice. A thousand? Is that $300 nice? 2,000 versus 3,000, right? It's 3,000 nits versus 2,000. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not sure if that's worth a 300 bucks,

but you know, it is nice. Yeah. The watch itself though, I like the way it looks. I do not like the way it feels. Oh really? The bezel is a bi-directional bezel. So it spins in both directions. Typically in a dive watch, you don't want that

because you're timing how long you've been underwater and you can undo the elapsed time and then you'll drown. So you want it to only go in one direction. I feel like the software won't let you do that. Probably, well no, in old dive watches there's no software, it's like a physical mechanism. Right. Yeah, so this bi-directional bezel,

oh yeah, the software here The software should probably not go backwards. It's just the clicks and the way that it feels. That I can see. Moving in both directions. It's not as like sturdy because in real dive watches, it like clicks into place basically, because you don't want that moving.

This is very easy to move. I'm assuming because it controls aspects of the UI. Yeah, but I can easily see myself like just moving my wrist and accidentally spinning the dial a little. It's that loose. Or of the UI. Yeah, but I can easily see myself just moving my wrist and accidentally spinning the dial a little. It's that loose. Or spinning the bezel. It feels like the actual case of the watch feels like nice metal,

and then the spinning crown feels like the cheap plastic. That's almost so much worse when you have two materials next to each other, it can make one bad material feel 10 times worse, because you feel what it could be like. It might just be that it's so light, it's just really thinly machined metal, but touching it feels like painted plastic.

Yeah. Does it look good still? I have to say, I think this is one of the nicest looking smartwatches at the power right now. I look emaciated, frankly. And so big watches like this look pretty silly on me

most of the time. I'd consider myself to have pretty thin wrists and this is a pretty big watch. I don't think it looks that bad. Do you think it looks bad, Ellis? No, but like, you know, you may have a thin wrist, but like if I turn my wrist sideways, you won't be able to see it.

You know what I mean? Like when I'm in the shower, I have to move my wrist around just to make sure it gets wet. I got more. So not for you. Damn, I was kind of hoping Adam would like this a little better for this segment.

I cannot even get this strap in. I do like, I really like the way it looks. That's the thing. So Michael Fisher posted pictures of this and it looks so good. So the purpose of a cushion like kind of case like this is for it to not look so massive on wrist. Like it wears. That does look pretty big.

It looks pretty big. Yeah, it's a 46 millimeter watch. Oh! Yeah. 46 is huge. Okay, so that does, it is doing the job of making it look smaller. 46 is ginormous.

Yeah, big screen on your wrist. Yeah. I just wanna see if there's a, it's only 46 millimeter. That's like entourage sized watch. You know what I mean? That's Escalade. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

That's a good reference. Yeah, so. The buttons are nice though. I like the buttons. Correct me if I'm wrong, the watch seven did not have the rotating bezel. It did not. So if you want the watch eight, you'll be getting the rotating bezel. You'd be getting a 3000 classic. Yeah,

the watch 8 classic, 3000 nits over 2000 nits, double the storage, slightly larger battery, the little antioxidant index that it now does, which I did a demo of, which is, you know, you might want that. Maybe not. So when was the last classic? What was the last rotating bezel walk? I thought it wasn't that long ago, but this is kind of our for future And it didn't look as much like like this tries to look like the dive bezel on a normal watch The old one was a little more Almost just like protective and part of it and did spin and was nice, but this makes it look like a watch watch. It's kind of a bummer to hear that it's. I mean, aesthetically, I really like the way it looks.

These are my kind of watches. Like I like big bulky dive watches like that. Like I have a Doxa, the Seiko Turtle, like I mentioned a couple of weeks ago, this looks very similar to that. It's like, that is the chunkiness is part of the allure of something like this. Makes the Apple watch ultra look kind of sleek,

to be honest. Yeah, no, this is definitely more in line with like classic 60s style of watch. Marques, did they mention anything about what makes this one specifically better than the regular eight? That one I couldn't tell you, but I could look it up. It would make them more money if you bought it. I mean, I mean, I think it literally might just be the rotating bezel and the...

The design. Can you pass it over here? Can we get a quick... Definitely gonna pass it here. Throw it. Throw it. Do it. Yeah. Good catch. Adams for audio listeners, Adams throw was just awful.

The watch went through one of our windows and is now incurring several lawsuits, allegedly. Marquez is looking at it, he's comparing it to the Apple Watch Ultra. I mean, a circular display has always been nice. Yeah, except the UI is like pill shaped. That sounds, yeah. So there's a bunch of pills that go inside a circle

and it's like, what are we doing here, folks? It's not the best move. Not the best move. That sounds okay. I wanna hear sounds okay that's the bezel sounds good and the watch is off so that is like a hardware yeah click from the bezel oh wait but the numbers don't move with the dial aren't they supposed to no so oh the way i don't think about watches the way that the dive bezel works is typically if you have hands, right? And you'll have a minute hand pointing to like, it's 10, 10. So you move the bezel so that the arrow aligns

with the minutes. And then as the minute hand moves, you can tell how long it's been. Nice. It's just elapsed time basically. Yeah, but this bezel has no markers on it. No, you would have to basically move it to the zero. I like the feeling of-

I don't think that feels that bad. I don't think the bezel feels that bad. I'll bring in my watch tomorrow. Well, I'm not saying it's gonna feel better than that, but I don't think it feels that bad for what it is. I think if you're gonna do a hardware bezel, make it feel like a nice hardware bezel. It's literally the one part of the watch

that people are gonna touch. So why would you make it feel like it came out of an ice cream truck? Yeah. It's literally the one part of the watch that people are gonna touch. Yeah. So why would you make it feel like it came out of an ice cream truck? Cracker jack box. Am I wrong? Anyway, speaking of me being wrong. Oh.

Trivia, dudes. So question number two. The Google CR-48 was a developer version of what Google hardware? Yeah, I have one. The CR-48? I reviewed the CR-48 actually. Did you know?

Yeah, I sure did. Interesting. I missed that thing. I might have kept my CR-48. I think that's one of the few old things that I kept. Interesting. Like the truly no logo-ed laptop, just matte black plaid. Did you not just say what it is?

Whoops. All right. What? Trio. Wow, that was. Guys. That was awful. We're here talking about a Samsung watch.

We're talking about a Samsung watch like it's new, okay? But actually, in the past, at some point in history, Samsung bought a German camera company called Role. I think it's how you say R-O-L-L-E-I, right? Role is a camera, oh yeah. That is what I said. Samsung owns Role? They might own it anymore, but at some point they did.

I'll double check that. But they used Rolay's mechanical expertise to make a line of watches. What decade did these Samsung non-smart watches come out in? Oh, that's cool. Now I want one. Retro. Give me two.

But I'm not gonna look it up. Also, I feel like the SEO is probably really hard on that with all the Samsung watches. You just look up Samsung Roll-A watch. Not now. But don't, but don't do that. The just as Samsung wanted to, and I'm gonna fact check this over the next like,

just to make sure, because it's something I put together really fast, but Samsung bought Roll-A, wanted to pivot them into making, bought Role specifically to turn them into a watch company. Then they tried to start selling these watches in Europe and Rolex was like, are you kidding me? You think I'm gonna let you do this?

And after several years of court battles, Samsung was just like, we're done with this, this is stupid. When did they sell it back? Nice try. 90s. You mother fucker, that was the whole question. ["Sweet Home Alone"] Trivia, dude.

Trivia. We're leaving, you gotta put some cut of everything that just happened in the video. All right, guys, because this is now the third Samsung question I've had to come up with today, this one's gonna be a weird one. In 1995, what major hip hop apparel brand did Samsung acquire a stake in?

BTS. 1995 hip hop apparel. Hip hop apparel? I don't even know hip hop. Yeah, it's kinda hard to think of a 90s hip hop apparel. Okay. Hip hop apparel? I don't even know hip hop. Yeah, it's kind of hard to think of a 90s hip hop apparel brand. There's literally one. There's only one that existed

and you either know it or you don't. I don't. Okay. That is encouraging. I'm not mad at you, but I am a little mad. At me? No, at everyone. Okay, yeah, fair. All right, we'll think about it. Answers at the end, like usual.

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All right, welcome back. Speaking of sweet apparel, I don't know if segues work after an ad break, but here we are. We have the meta Oakley glasses. And so Marques and I looked at these already. We got a kind of silly color. Is it orange?

We tried to get the orange ones, but those were limited edition. Is it polarizing? They could, they might be a little polarizing. You're right, but I'm gonna let David open them for the first time. So we all know the meta Ray-Bans. This is exactly the color I asked for.

I also wanna say something funny. Okay, when I worked at Intel. Brace yourself. This better be funny. Part of the time I was at Intel, I was... All right, David, make us laugh. I was a marketing manager for part of the time I was at Intel. And I led the part of the Intel Atom, sorry, not Atom, it was Curie. Intel Curie used to be like a wearables chipset

that they made and effect. And anyway, I was like leading this like marketing thing to get Curie integrated into other products. So we made like smart basketball shoes with, I think it was Lenovo and Yao Ming. Ha! Yep. What?

But we also... Wait, why was that so funny? I don't know why that was funny. Oh, because he said it was... Oh, Al, give me a second. Say something funny. Yeah, right, right. That is pretty funny, actually.

Yeah, it's pretty funny. He made smart, hold on. Yeah. Let's unpack that. Yeah. So, Yao Ming. Smart basketball shoes. Smart basketball shoes.

With Yao Ming. Curate chip, okay. Curate. We also worked with Oakley to make the first pair of smart glasses. So it was very funny. Yeah. Wait, is that funny, like ha ha, or funny like I don't know?

It's funny because Intel's gonna be gone in a couple years. That's actually true. That's just a true statement. All right, I'm finally gonna open these up. Just like how I helped make the Bixby by training that data set, I just kill a lot of things. All right, it's time.

Okay, they're beige. Everyone has a different, actually you call them beige. I call them like bone. Bone. Do you guys like this case better than the regular Redman medkits? No, I can't get them out. Yeah, this is like a different,

it looked like you pressed a button and the whole thing kind of- It's because the charging contacts are at the bridge of the nose, so it sits down into a piece that almost locks it into that inside of the case. What in the snap spectacles are those? These look exactly like the snapchat spectacles. Those have nothing to do with Oakleys. You don't see the O on the side, bro? Oh, I just realized the microphone is inside the O.

Why would they make them look like that? Hey, Meta. Oh, no. I don't know if they're on or something. They're probably not. So you literally just got them before the phone. For anyone, for audio listeners, I'm gonna attempt to describe these.

They're just awful. I actually think David looks kinda cool in them. They look like, sort of like, God, they look like if if Oakley tried to make the circle Ray Bans be like from the future, being like Ready Player One. No, no. These are like if if you tried to make the 2012 equivalent of John Lennon's sunglasses, but with thick white frames.

And then also, they're not completely circular. Because the nose bridge makes them this weird flat side. The thing that makes them ugly is that they're circular, except for the inner nose area, where they just, for some reason, are straight. And yeah. I don't know. I hate that I kind of like them.

Am I allowed to say on the podcast? Because yeah, the lenses, the reflective lenses are the color of it's like you're looking at the world through I would like to know. The thing is, I can see myself in the sub monitor and I would not go outside wearing these. Can I try them on? Yeah, I want to see what they look like on other people.

I feel like we also picked one of the sillier colors. No, I feel like a lot of, there's ones that are like just black on black. Wait, if you put the, and those look a little less. I can see black on black looking a little. But Oakley's whole thing is like, they do some pretty wild colors, especially with lenses.

That's actually not. This is definitely one of them. That's actually not. Marquez looks cool. I hate how good Marquez looks in everything. They look a little silly, but not horrible. Marcus, look at me. Oh wait, they are on. Is there a picture of you? Did you, oh.

And another one. Yo, the envelope on that LED is nice, the way it just sort of fades back when you're done. I like that. They don't look that bad. Yeah, they do. I am- Sorry, Marcus. I am not a fan of the tint.

I guess you'd get used to it after a while, because glasses are different types of tint. So it makes my MacBook Pro screen look green, unfortunately. But yeah, bigger batteries in here, so longer battery life, better optics, so potentially better camera quality. And then how much do you like the Oakley look? You can get these Oakley's, you can get the Meta Ray Bands.

Two enormous companies in, I feel like the Oakley look? You can get these Oakleys, you can get the Meta Ray-Bans. Two enormous companies in, I feel like the two biggest that I know of, as far as name brands and glasses that people wear, Oakley and Ray-Bans, so. I'm waiting for the Warby Parkers. Yeah, I think, well, didn't Google just snag that? Yeah, they did. So like, yeah, they kind of don't have many choices left

as far as who to partner with, so. I don't really want Meta on my face, but I would maybe do. Google's cool though. I don't know. I'm surprised at how light these are. The Ray-Bans are really cool. Have you tried them? Yeah, they're super fun to use.

No, and the video quality is actually quite good. Yeah, like as a product, what they offer, like forget like the fashion part, obviously you can like the look or not or get a different look, but it's a camera on your face and the POV video aspect of it seems to be the thing that people are most gravitating towards.

Yeah, it's just really good. Yeah, and then, you know, however much you wanna use the AI Assistant, you can ask it about what you're looking at, you can ask it random questions, you can talk to it like it's your phone, but without your hands. So that's decently useful. I wish you could do a horizontal video on them still. It's kinda wild to me that they didn't introduce that.

Yeah. I don't know. Maybe it was like a vertical resolution thing or because there's parallax because it's only on one side. It's because they want you to share it to Instagram. Wait, sorry. There would be no parallax. Oh, right.

They want you to sell them to Instagram. Yeah. Wait, so look. I'm recreating the Zuckerberg picture. Yeah, you look way better in those than Zach does. Thank you. I don't know that to be true. Also, the color, the official color is called Desert 24K Prism Polar.

Actually, that sounds right. What are the other colors? There's some ones that are not as, there's a kind of clear one. I think if you press the arrows right there. I don't like that they They called 3k video ultra HD It's not ultra HD. It's 3k not 4k But it is better than before they are It's a it's $500 for the limited edition and three and and four hundred dollars for the regular ones

Yeah, so that is quite a bit more expensive, right? the regular Ray-Ban metas were 300 Yeah, I want like 329 expensive, right? The regular Ray-Ban Metas were 300? 300? Yeah. I wanna say like 329. 329, something like that. Yeah, you know, I would like them a lot more if they didn't have that weird divot near the nose bridge.

But I probably wouldn't, you look fine in them. Thank you. So maybe I'm just being hard on myself. I think it's just the silhouette on these is very particular. Like I feel like the Ray-Bans, most people wear those kinds of sunglasses, like the Wayfarer style. So wearing them doesn't look like super out of place.

It's not like drawing attention to yourself. Oakleys are like very particular to certain like places and things that people are doing like activities. Yeah, it's all fashion, all style, subjective. You know, it's funny, I just got a notification saying the interior of my Rivian is 126 degrees now. So it's running the fans to protect the displays, maybe so they don't break.

Oh. But speaking of Rivian. Nice. That, see what I just did there. I didn't plan that. They just, I got the notification. Small Rivian update. They are updating their maps system

to be fully a little bit more integrated with Google Maps. I don't functionally think it makes that much of a difference, but there are some nice little things that they've added. So there's better satellite view. It's obviously gonna be built into Google's data. So real time traffic and rerouting, better routing to get to your navigation points. Satellite view, it's obviously gonna be built into Google's data, so real-time traffic and rerouting, better routing

to get to your navigation points. When you go to a charger, it will be able to know how long you have to sit there to charge versus when you take off to get to the next place, how much you arrive with, all that is great. And then I think honestly the best point, which is kind of like a brief mention in the video, but it makes a big difference when you're using it,

is as you're driving, you couldn't do this before. You can touch a point of interest on the map and it'll show you the info for it. So I've been driving in the Rivian and been like, what is that weird looking building? And it'll show like a name. And I just wanna tap it and just figure out what it is, but you couldn't do that in the Rivian maps before.

Now you can, I think that's the best new thing. I still know CarPlayer, Android Auto, but you know, better Google mapping is always welcome for us Rivian drivers, so yeah, shout out to that. Cool. Would you take CarPlayer, Android Auto over this? At this point, no, I'm so used to it. I have a little, I guess, yeah, I would take it.

I'm not mad. If I had it, I would use Waze and Spotify and everything built in, but I have a little mount for my phone. And at this point, my instinct, as soon as I get in the Riviera, is I just put my phone up and I hit Waze and then I'm good to go. So yeah, it's something I learned to live with

in my many years of driving a Tesla. It's like, just kind of, you just put your phone up. I just feel like this is the future for all cars, unfortunately. Is they're all gonna have their own weird software? It's have their own weird software and we just all use our phones anyway. There is kind of this tide happening of you have to, if you're a car manufacturer, you kind of have to pick. CarPlay Ultra is looming, the new improvements with CarPlay and iOS 26 are very solid, and

if you are a car company trying to figure out if you should lean in to this car play thing or lean out, it's never been a more important time to make that choice, I feel like. It's kind of a fork in the road for them. And yeah, the Escalade doesn't have carplay, like that's one of the notable things it doesn't have that maybe some people would hate about it. It also has 50 inches of displays running Google apps and the Play Store and Waze and Spotify and all sorts of other stuff. So maybe you don't care it doesn't have CarPlay,

but up to you. Anyway, speaking of cars that don't have CarPlay, one more story. And I actually have a take about this that I'm not sure about, but I think I'm gonna just send it. Okay. Tesla has recently unveiled a new Model Y.

It's called the Model, let me actually get the name of a new Model Y. It's called the Model, let me actually get the name of it. Model Y plus, Model YL, there it is. Model Y, didn't they update this sooner? Model Y, why did they put an AI girlfriend in my car? None of these things. It is just a longer Model Y. So this is announced by their Weibo account, so I'm pretty sure this is just gonna be in China,

at least for now. But the Model YL is a longer Model Y, longer wheelbase and has three rows. So three sets of rows for people to, you know, jump in. I think the expected three row before was like a little cramped. A little cramped? Very cramped, the third row was super cramped.

I don't think Lane would fit in the back. Most three rows are pretty cramped. It was like for car seats basically. But this is like a real three row size. It's still pretty small, but it's funny. The wheel base is actually three inches longer than the Model X, while the overall size is still slightly smaller than a Model X,

but there's theoretically enough passenger room for the same three rows of people as a Model X. And I think that's really interesting because it's probably, it's going to be cheaper than a Model X. And this is one more reason why Tesla could kill the Model X today. Yeah, the Model X sucks.

It's not that it sucks. It's just that it's more expensive for not that much more utility. Obviously they make a plaid one. So like, if you have more money, it's good for Tesla to just offer a more expensive thing for you to buy. It has the Falcon Wing doors

It's a little bit more high-tech in its overall presence, but generally it's like just Yeah, bring that model Y L to more markets and there will be even less reason for model X to exist The model X was the first one after the Roadster, right? No, so it was Roadster And it was model s and then, along comes Falcon Wing Doors, Model X, then S, or then Y, or three then Y. I don't know, I think the Falcon Wing Doors are like overrated. They're also kind of polarizing, like I know people who love the Falcon Wing Doors,

I also know people who wouldn't dare pull up to the school to take their kid out of the thing with Falcon Wing Doors. So it's kind of a statement, yeah, but yeah, a model YL, it seems like a really, really good alternative to the model X. I've been wondering why the X even continues to exist. Like even after the model Y came out,

I know that the X is still bigger, but it's just like, how big do you really need? Isn't it more luxurious? I don't care. I think the back row headroom will be better in the X than this. Cause like this is, the roof is going to be slanting back way hard.

So much more. I thought it was supposed to be like higher quality. Like people always say like, Well, the three and Y were supposed to be a little more simple to save on costs. Yeah, right. Originally, I guess then there did the refresh of the S and it went this landscape screen and they.

So the model S and X still have a display behind the steering wheel. And they still have little things that cost more money. And I guess you could say the Falcon Wing door is a big thing that costs more money. But in general, the interiors are very similar other than that. You have a backseat display, you know?

They probably charge at similar rates. I don't think they're that different. But yeah, Model YS or Model YL is here. Well, they also- Model YSL. YSL. Vaincel. Model YLs. They also introduced a Model 3 Plus only in China. It just has more range, cool. So, with a different type of battery.

Nice. So, with a different type of battery. So, trivia. It's about that time. Can I steal a board? Have you been writing things this entire episode? No, this is why I wanna introduce the rule. Nope. Quick update on the score, Marquez with 28, Andrew with 17, David in the lead with 21.

31. 31. 31, thank you. Earlier in this episode, I asked you to think of every company that released a product that had a Qi, it was Qi compatible, had the official Qi standard in it prior to iPhone joining the rat race in 2017 with the iPhone 8. That was incredible.

The timing. And it's minus one for the wrong ones? Yeah, you get one wrong. Wait, really? You go, how about just point? Minus one towards the total of this answer or you start losing points. No, I say the whole point.

Yeah, you start losing points. No, what say the whole point. Yeah, you start losing points. No, what? It's my game. It's our game. But that's danger zone. It's Adam and I's game. So, David, you're winning. For now.

I'm deleting one that I'm not sure about. Yeah. All right, who would like to go first? Should we all flip them? I'll go first, cause I have the least amount. Okay. Motorola. Motorola is on there with the Droid 3 in 2011.

Ayo. Samsung. Samsung is on there with the Galaxy S3 in 2012. Ayo. LG. LG is an accepted answer, but they're the phone that- Don't care, it's accepted. The Droid 3.

I care. So that was three points for Andrew. It was three points for Andrew. Yeah. Andrew, how does it feel? Bad, because I can see how many all of them put and how many I missed because I forgot. Maybe they're about to eat it.

Probably not. So David or Marques, would one of you guys like to volunteer to go next? Do you want me to go? I'll go. Okay, you go. I crossed out my role, unfortunately. I would have gotten a point there.

I wrote Samsung. I appreciate the honesty, Marques. Actually, also give Andrew a fourth point for coming up with the you lose a point thing. Okay. What? I did say that earlier. You just said that earlier.

All right, Marques, please. Samsung. LG. HTC, but you're not giving points for that. Right. Starbucks. That one was hard to research. And Ikea.

Way to go. Okay, I wasn't sure if Ikea would have been, that was a great guess. I didn't know how it really ends. Three, yeah. So I put HTC. Sort of. I'm not awarding points for that, but it's all good.

Okay. Asus. Hell yeah, do you know what Asus product it is? Was it the Zenfone 4? It was even, actually they made a PC with a cheap pad built into it, the M70. That's cool. Samsung?

Yes, Samsung. Starbucks? Yes. LG? Yes. Motorola? Yes. Google?

Google and LG, technically Nexus 4. LG Nexus, yeah. I'm not getting several points for that. In post, I'm gonna add some funky music under this. So just, yeah, do bob your head a little bit like you're dancing. The Toyota Avalon in 2013. In 2015, the Lexus NX.

The Sony Xperia ZV3. Oh, wow. Blackberry Priv. Oh, yeah. The Carnivine Tailif. Starbucks. And I think there's a Palm device that might have had Chi, not the pre,

but they made some other peripheral that did. Anyway, there you go. The more you know, hey, that's what trivia's all about is learning something. So even if David extended his lead with even more points than he needed, we all learned something today. It's actually crazy how I try to shuffle up the scores

and the big points question and the Delta here was one. Well, what's funny is we still have one more trivia question. We do have one more trivia question. Guys, the Google CR 48, just kidding. Guys, after what decade did Samsung buy, oh no, sorry guys, what mid 90s, no sorry, what 90s hip hop fashion brand did the textiles division of Samsung invest in in the 90s?

Hip hop? Hip hop? What the heck is a hip hop brand? Apparel brand. Wait. What the heck is hip hop? Can you send me the link to the old Samsung watch? I wanna see that really bad. Later.

What in the heck is hip hop apparel? They began investing in this company in 1995. Oh, so he's, yeah. There's really one famous hip hop. Like there's obviously lots of, see David, that's not a bad guess. It's wrong, but it's not a bad guess. Cool.

Did all three of you get, oh my God. I wasn't even online yet. First of all, Echo is definitely a skateboarding brand, right, am I right about that? I don't know. What makes a brand- It felt like- Yeah, I guessed Reebok.

That is the farthest thing from a- I guess Supreme, do you guys remember the fake Supreme Samsung phone? No. Yes. Yeah, because there was like the fake Supreme, it was Supreme Italy, which is not associated with Supreme,

and they tricked Samsung into making a collab phone where they thought they were working with the real Supreme. That was incredible. It was amazing. I really enjoyed it. I'm pretty sure it was like a brick and mortar store or something. It was so good.

Wow. Yeah. Supreme was like, we didn't make this. Okay, wait, so Supreme, wrong. Oh, wow. I even did the- Reebok, wrong, and then Andrew, you put Echo. What is wrong?

Santa Cruz. The correct answer is Fubu. Fubu, for us, by us. Isn't that a streaming service? Dan and John. That is Fubo, which made Googling us, by us. Is that a streaming service? That is Fubo, which made Googling this question to fact check it really hard. There wasn't even a, did you mean Fubu?

It was just like, you meant Fubo, right? Guys, it's literally on Tebow. It's literally on Hemi. Marques, take us out. Like I said, that's the point of trivia, is we might not know the answers, but at the end of the day, everybody here learned something. Shout out to Dame and John.

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