Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Shocker: The Pixel 9a Has Leaked

Episode Date: October 4, 2024

This week, Marques, Andrew, and David sit down to discuss everything from the WordPress drama to the new Linus Tech Tips screwdriver. First, David fills everyone in on what's been happening with WordPress before talking about Juno for YouTube (a video player app for the Apple Vision Pro) being taken off the app store. After that, we discuss the Pixel 9a leak, some new Reddit rules that make it harder to protest, and some AR/VR talk. It's a grab bag of topics this week so hope you enjoy! Verge WordPress summary: https://bit.ly/3zAmKBH TechCrunch WP Engine Lawsuit: https://bit.ly/4eSL293 Juno for YouTube removed: https://bit.ly/4esw21P Android Headlines Pixel 9a Leak: https://bit.ly/3ZKE0id Verge New Reddit Rules: https://bit.ly/4gToK8C Microsoft Discontinuing Hololens 2: https://bit.ly/4dsQ2Qw 404Media Facial Recognition on Meta x Ray-Bans: https://bit.ly/4eQxkmQ Autofocus Silverado EV: https://bit.ly/3TQylU8 Music provided by Epidemic Sound  Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Socials: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It is three o'clock so we probably should start the pod sometimes i just really need to know this really quick okay i'm sorry i can't forget i will forget i'm sorry if i don't do this right now what is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. And if I'm remembering this right, our last episode was outside of our regularly scheduled programming.

Check it out. It's a bonus episode, and it has absolutely no tech whatsoever. So if you're in our normal audience who really loves tech, okay. But if you're in our new audience who's maybe like a little into not so much tech hey some analog stuff over there some mechanical stuff bro acoustic stuff so transducers over there i just the mark has and i just spent 10 minutes arguing about the meaning of the word analog so some some not so much tech stuff it's really fun actually so go check it out if you want but now we're back it's a friday for real this time and uh apparently there's wordpress drama i need you to explain this to me because i wasn't aware that that's a sentence that could be a real thing yeah what is what is happening i thought that's

just what you call stuff that happens on tumblr word wordpress well was that a bad joke is tumblr built on word correct it's made well it's owned by automatic which owns wordpress but i need you to sort of sort of owns WordPress. Okay. Do you guys know what WordPress is? I feel like we're doing a long form episode right now. Wait, can I also? We didn't do like what else is coming up in this episode.

Oh, right, right. So maybe we. In 1957. Okay. On today's episode, we've got. Wait, wait. I guess it looks like you just didn't want to cut that. So I just went with

it dive right in keep going on today's episode we've got uh our favorite developer christian selling getting another app taken from him we'll talk about it but also pixel 9a leaks no bar uh some more reddit absurdity microsoft killing hololens but first david. What is happening? Do you guys know what happened on October 4th, 1957? Oh, God. No, I'm kidding. It's not Sputnik. It's very close to my dad's birthday, but no. Wow.

Yeah. My dad was also born in 1957. I think he's... Was your dad also born in 1957? Early 60s, but October 17th. Mine's. Oh, yeah. I guess my dad's old.

All right. If you're still around. WordPress drama. Have you guys heard do you know you probably you know you've heard of wordpress is a you know what it is is a site that you can it's a it's kind of like um what's what what do we square space square space it's like you can build a website on top of it usually a blog with written posts that's what's that's what i think of when i think of wordpress Yeah. Yeah. So it's open source, right?

Right. Yes and no. Yes and no. And that's what makes this drama so spicy. Okay, cool. Okay. So WordPress is technically a CMS or content management system that throughout the years has been built out more and more to be able to run full websites.

Gotcha. Now, the thing about WordPress is that it's very interesting because there is WordPress.org, which is a open-sourced foundation that builds WordPress, right? And then there's also WordPress.com, which is a for-profit company that is owned by Automatic, which is a company that also owns Pocket Casts, Tumblr, some other stuff. Old school. Hold on. This is already reminding me of OBS versus Streamlabs OBS.

And that's because it's extremely similar. Okay. Yeah. Cool. Yes. It's actually almost the same story. It sounds. When I was, yeah, I was doing a lot of research on this yesterday and I was asking a lot of

my friends who are really deep in the open source community about this stuff because I wanted to like find some analogies and that kind of stuff um yes okay so wordpress.org is this open sourced foundation that builds wordpress and then wordpress.com owned by matt mullen mullenweg who runs automatic which also owns tumblr pocketcast long range gravitar and actually recently acquired beeper if you remember that when that happened weird portfolio it is a cool portfolio interesting yeah so matt mollenweg is a co-founder of wordpress he like built it he wanted to be open source he's like a hardcore open sourced kind of guy um but it's also hard to keep contributing to an open source project if you want it to be your job, right?

If you want something to be open source and you're not really making money from it, a lot of the times what will happen is companies will spin up a for-profit wing of the project that makes money but then contributes back to the open source project. And the point of open source is that other people can take that code, use it as the foundation for something and build other things. Yeah. Okay. Now it just so happens that another company

took that open source WordPress code and hosts WordPress for people called WordPress Engine. Specifically what WordPress.com does that WordPress.org does not do is they're like a hosting service, right? Okay. So they provide like really hosting service right okay so they provide like really easy setup of your website and they'll host it for you and then they have like customer service and plugins and all this stuff yeah so you can have a you too can have a blog yeah that

sounds like what marquez is comparing to squarespace yes okay because you can use squarespace to host you or you can just buy domains from squarespace or you can just use them as your host. I used to have Google domains domains. They got bought by Squarespace. Now I am forced into the Squarespace oligarchy. Same. Yes. Okay. So WordPress engine, which is this other company that is a host provider that uses WordPress has been around since about 2010. So they've been around for a really long time. Now this drama all started at, wouldn't you believe it, a conference called WordCamp, which I cannot believe people go to. Yeah. Because it sounds like the nerdiest thing ever, but that's okay. 40% of the web. 40% of the web. It's a conference around WordPress that's hosted in Portland. Wait, can I also also i think the thing confusing me is saying

wordpress every time and so this was word camp was hosted by wordpress the foundation open source yes okay yes so wordpress. yeah it's confusing wordpress.org open source wordpress.com automatic company but matt mullenweg is like on the is like a chair of the WordPress.org foundation and is the CEO of Automatic. So there's some weird cross-pollination because it was his idea where he has control over the organization, but he also runs a for-profit company. And this is why this drama is spicy and weird. Okay, fine. Yeah, okay. Yeah, okay.

So at the WordCamp conference, he basically had this whole presentation where he started just directly calling out WordPress Engine and telling people that they should move off of them. And the reason is because in a blog post later, he called the company a cancer to the community because they do not contribute like almost anything back to the open source code of wordpress.org generally in open source it's kind of like standard to like if you're using open source code have engineers that are like building upon it and then pushing that back into

the open source version of the project because the whole point of open source is that the community is getting together to make something really good that everyone can build off of right so apparently matt says that wordpress.com automatics company that he is ceo of contributes 3 900 hours per week to the development of the world wordpress open source code whereas he says that wordpress engine only contributes 40 hours a week to it so this story is kind of a mix of like what's legally okay versus what's morally okay. And that's what makes it really interesting. So Matt then sent a cease and desist letter to WordPress Engine for using the abbreviation WP. Because he says it will mix people up thinking that it's actually

WordPress when it's not WordPress that is exactly the Streamlabs OBS like scenario but wait did he send the letter to himself no no because he sent it to WP engine okay wait because so Matt owns Matt's on the chair of WordPress.org, the foundation. Yes. Also CEO of WordPress.com, for-profit company. And then WP Engine is a separate company owned by the private equity firm. Okay. Yeah. WordPress.com and WP Engine are both hosts. Like they host WordPress sites, right?

Yes. I got lost a little bit there. No, if you're're confused i don't want the podcast let's am i the only one am i the only one confused by that i'm trying to keep up okay what's your what's your question do you have questions what's the drama oh well the main drama is that matt mullenweg who is the co-founder of the WordPress Foundation and CEO of Automatic, which owns WordPress.com, is angry that WP Engine does not contribute to the open source code of WordPress.org.

Well, they do. Well, they do. Yeah. 40 hours a week, he says, which is one employee. Yeah, sure. Okay. So he sent a cease and desist letter to wp engine for using a name that makes customers think that wp engine is wordpress because when people go and they want

to set up a wordpress site the seo probably sometimes directs you to wp engine and sometimes directs you to wordpress.com and it's kind of his fault in my opinion that he called his for-profit website wordpress.com when wordpress.org is the open source foundation i don't know that's kind of confusing okay i can confirm there's confusion to be had there's confusion okay wp engine then responded with their own cease and desist that claimed that matt demanded that they send a very large sum of money just days before the wordpress convention and if they don't send it he was going to carry out a quote scorched earth nuclear approach against this company so he allegedly

sent them a text saying he was going to make the case at wordpress camp as to why they're banning wordpress engine in a slide deck called how private equity can hollow out and destroy open to make the case at WordPress camp as to why they're banning WordPress Engine in a slide deck called How Private Equity Can Hollow Out and Destroy Open Source Community, a story in four parts. I would watch that YouTube video. I already want to watch it.

And then he demanded that they pay a licensing fee for the name WordPress or contribute their fair share to the development of WordPress. So this story is kind of around like technically open source, right? You can build anything off you want off the open source code and there's nothing legally that says you have to contribute back to it. However, Matt is very angry that this private equity firm clearly does not care about the

development of WordPress, saw an opportunity, saw it runs 40% of the web, and was like, let's just make a ton of money. And its name is very similar to WordPress, so it has good SEO already. You get 1% of that 40%, you're banking. Yeah. So then WordPress.org banned WP Engine from accessing their servers to actually pull the open source code from, which means that none of their customers could ever update their sites when the WordPress.org foundation updated the code. And it made it so it was very difficult for WP Engine customers to use the service. Matt then did reverse the ban, but gave them until October 1st to create their own mirror to WordPress.org or resolve their conflict. Anyway, that's most of the drama.

There was an update this morning that it was revealed that Automatic asked for 8% of WP Engine's revenue either to be paid directly to Automatic or to WP Engine employees to contribute to WordPress.org. But if they chose the 8% route, engine would have to give wordpress.org an automatic full rights to their time sheets to make sure they were fulfilling their obligations yeah so it's a lot it's very confusing it's very boring but it is it is kind of wild i think this is kind of what happens when you have one person who is hardcore about open source who runs the foundation and a private for-profit company off of the foundation it's

like you're allowing other people to make things based on your code but you're also demanding that they do a thing that they're not actually legally obligated to do yeah yeah but i feel like he's also coming at this from the point of like it's kind of an unwritten rule where like yes it's open source like you should be contributing to it if you're using it uh-huh so like for him to make that demand yes it's illegal or not not legally obligated i guess is the way of phrasing it yeah but it it's kind of fair in my opinion i don't know because it's like like you're using this it's one of those things that's not like legally incorrect but morally incorrect right and um because they're a private equity firm yeah yeah yeah and like the whole point of it is you

know you're taking all that again streamlabs obs was like taking all this stuff from an open open broadcast source oh yeah whatever it was it was a streaming site or a streaming program that was all open source and then Streamlabs a for profit company that was like taking it and they threw OBS at the end of their name to the program so people thought it was OBS the open source one but really it was a way to make money off of what felt like the name it's uh where do you think this is gonna go you're like where are we at right right the reason that the story is like spicy and kind of important is that it could change the way that open source works um and like or the ability for

an organization and foundation to have like such a closed affiliate close affiliation with like a for-profit company because i think that's there's a kind of a conflict of interest there. Yeah, that seems like what people have a strong disagreement with. Well, especially since he said either pay automatic directly, which is not WordPress.org. And I'm sure that his mindset is like, we will have engineers work on the project based on your funds, or you contribute directly, we will like look at your

time sheets which is i feel like that's just like wild trying to force their hand to just have their employees work on the open source code yeah like i don't think he actually expects them to pay him eight percent you know i mean he asked for it yeah it's like give me a million dollars or invest that in your own company right now like that's basically what he's saying so that they can work on open source yeah it's like yeah you can give me the money and i will gladly take it but like the smarter route is to just have your engineers work on the open source code like everyone else yeah yeah so who knows where this goes i think a lot of people are just like this could end up in a legal battle and that legal battle could change the way the open source organizations work but uh

yeah it's spicy because they cut off wp engines like access for a while and it made a ton of websites not work properly but yeah um thank you for explaining that i'm sure anyone listening well in tune with what's going on was like that was a terrible um example of it but it's because david had to dumb it down so hard for us to understand um but thank you for you're welcome doing it for us yeah it's all kind of crazy i'm interested to see how it comes out where this goes if it goes anywhere if this is just going to be a uh public-butting for a little while. Probably for a little bit. Probably for a little bit. But anyway, we can move on until there's an update on that. Cool.

Yeah, sure. All right. Christian time. Sure. So I remember you a couple months ago telling me that he made a Vision Pro YouTube app. Yeah, Juno. And I don't remember exactly what I said,

but I'm pretty sure at some point I was like, how long till this gets removed? Sure. Can I explain Juno real quick? Yeah. There's no YouTube app inside the Apple Vision Pro. Correct. Christian Selig, very popular developer, one we've talked about a million times on here because he made Apollo, the Reddit

app, which recently got destroyed. It was the martyr. Going down. And he made this app inside of the vision pro to let you watch youtube now it wasn't specifically a youtube app it was kind of like a reskin safari browser that was solely focused on youtube and like made it feel like a native youtube app but the way he got around it was kind of like this is it's not using youtube's api but it's using i'm pretty sure safari and it's kind of just like a new way of opening a safari tab inside of youtube with a full screen player and like

skipping play pause different controls and stuff um they just the app store just took it down um which yeah you kind of called it was because of google though it was because of google yes you took it to youtube google forced to take it down saying it violated their trademark okay um in april youtube told christian that juna violated youtube's api turns the service but he rebutted to them and said, I don't even use the YouTube API. Okay. So they were just assuming that he was using the YouTube API, apparently.

And then after all that, he removed the YouTube logo from the app's homepage and added unofficial to its app store description. But now it's at the point where it's getting actually serious and he has to take it down. Now, famously, when the Vision Pro launched launched there are a bunch of apps that were missing that everyone was like this is making this headset like way less useful netflix was one of them that still is like has not launched a netflix app apparently youtube is planning on launching a vision pro app

in february which is interesting because everyone was sort of thinking that Google was just doing it because they didn't want Apple's product to succeed. But yeah, I don't know. I'm assuming if they're taking down Christians at this point, because like if you don't have your own app on a platform and someone makes a third party one, they're giving you another way to like watch your service, which to me says like, yeah, which to me is like, that's only good for you but them forcing him to take it down tells me that they are planning on soon launching theirs and they just don't want there to be a competitor to play devil's advocate too also if you run youtube and

someone else makes a third-party youtube app and a lot of people think it's a youtube app yeah that's out of your control so no matter what that person does with that app in the future, people will think it's you. Even if they do lots of good things, that's great for you, but when they do something bad, you can't have that. YouTube does enough bad things by themselves to catch flack. They don't need someone else. They want to own those bad things, all of them.

So yeah, I guess I wasn't shocked. I'm actually surprised that it took this long. But at this point, now the only way you can watch YouTube videos on the Vision Pro is back to just the browser, Safari. Like going to youtube.com and Safari and watching them there. I think this is such a view into the future versus what it used to be like in the past

on like Android phones and early iPhones when everyone was making wrappers for everything to make the experience better. future versus what it used to be like in the past on like Android phones and early iPhones when everyone was making wrappers for everything to make the experience better. And it was just kind of known and open that people are going to be doing this. And there were like 20 different Reddit clients and a bunch of different clients for Twitter. And like the developer community was so cool and vibrant. And then now all of these companies are trying to take back control of their platforms, keep all their users in on their platform so that they see the ads that gives them money all this stuff um the thing about it is like wasn't even it wasn't like advanced or whatever that takes

away ads you know it was still playing all of the regular ads because it's still just streaming a youtube video did it allow like off like downloading or something some other there's some something i'm not i don't know sure i'm not let's see i mean clearly the lawyers didn't really know anything about how he built it because they were like you're using our api and he was like no i'm not so i'm sure that google was just like there's a thing that does our thing you should make it stop yeah yeah It's using our name. Yeah. Season 2 says.

Yeah. Yeah. I will say I am old enough to remember when YouTube, the app was preloaded on every iPod touch. And that. Remember that fire logo that it used to have? Yeah. That analog,

that skeuomorphic logo. Analog. That's analog. That is. Analog have. Yeah, that analog, that skeuomorphic logo. Analog. That's analog. That is. Analog TV. That was like the first piece of tech that I really got for myself as a kid and having the YouTube app on the iPod Touch,

that was formative for me. Oh, that was also like basically my first big piece. Yeah. So I remember, you know, the good old collaboration days between Apple and YouTube. But, yep, this has gone from the App Store. We'll see if we end up getting a YouTube app

for the Vision Pro at some point. I will say I haven't actually used my Vision Pro now in at least two months. Yeah. What do you think is, for you, the most useful time? Do you think the plane is the most useful time to use it? It's great for just casual browsing, random stuff stuff but you haven't used it in two months right like very casual gaming so yeah i might i'll take it on my next flight i will marquez doesn't do anything

casually well so only a hundred percent all the time yeah there are there are some movies that i want to watch i think one of them was on apple, so I think I will download it on the Vision Pro and watch it on the plane. Can I ask what movie it is? Alien. The new one? There's a new one? The 1979.

Why is that the one you want to watch on Vision Pro? Because there's a new one, and I want to see Alien. There's a lot of them. There's a few. What? We'll see. There's a few.

I might end up watching all of them. No, no, no. Because I've known you for a little bit now and yeah i've never heard you be like i want to go to the movies that's why i asked no i don't i don't want to go to the movies oh but i want to watch vision pro okay yeah i don't still cool this is cool for you i like this he's gonna go to the movies with his vision no i'm not gonna i'm gonna watch it when it comes out and i can watch it this reminds me that I had like a mini It's not even really a tangent just a small thing speaking of the movie in 20 minutes

Last night I accidentally went and watched a two-hour children's film in the movie theater What's the accidentally? Yeah, how is this an accident? So there's a movie called the wild robot that came out and it yes okay look yes it's animated uh-huh okay but it's astrobot 97 yeah look 97 on rotten tomatoes i saw like two people that i follow on twitter being like the wild robot is like really beautiful and really fun i really enjoyed it and i was like huh it might be like one of those animated movies that's like actually made for so i didn't look up anything about it i took a friend we bought some tickets neither of us had read anything about it looked up anything about it it was like really hard to watch because it was such a children's movie this looks awesome i mean

the animation style is incredible yeah um. But just the writing and the pacing and the fact that there's orchestral music playing the entire time and there's no pacing at all. It's just kind of like fast-paced children's movie and then everyone's happy together and working together all the time. It was just so unrealistic.

I don't think that makes a good children's movie. I always think, I always keep going back to A Bug's Life being a good like an underrated movie there's like deep stories and dramas and villains and like it's it's a well-rounded movie even though it's a kid's movie you can still enjoy it as an adult i think that's what makes it a good yeah like shrek yeah yeah you know spongebob ants but some of the real bugs this has like a 98 yeah i'm not okay look to be clear i'm not saying this movie is bad i'm saying it was clearly made for kids and it's really no i didn't know so i kept waiting for there to be some sort of like real like gripping

story and it just really wasn't there and And I left the movie theater being like, man, I just literally watched a full kids movie. The lights turn on. It's just toddlers everywhere. Dude, there were, it was,

there was only like eight people in the theater and they're just kids running and screaming around the entire time. I was like, Oh, sorry, I can't do this. I can't be a next door kind of guy. That's what I feel right now.

Those kids up, lock them in their chairs. Can't be running. We told you it was a 20 minute detour and that was only like five anyway that was my that was my movie theater rant since you will not be watching this in a movie yeah it's perfect uh okay we should take a break we got way more talk about pixel stuff reddit stuff but before we do that i i think we should do some trivia trivia dude so first question friend of the pod christian selig maker of the apollo reddit app which we have covered at length here also pixel pals yeah i was hoping that was

gonna be the question no that's not the question because it's awesome and everyone should go get that app but did you know he also has a youtube channel you did i do okay because i got served his video nice his last video was all about making a common tech accessory from scratch that's right can you tell me what he made here's a hint there's one of them in this room right now you don't need to give him a hint well it sounds like you guys have both seen his YouTube channel. There's a 3D print of Marquez. Oh, my God. I got served the video, and I was like, wait.

Oh, he just started a YouTube channel. I clicked on it. He has, like, multiple videos. I was like, wow, I feel like a terrible friend. There's one. Okay, I'll be using the there's one in this room heavily. That's why I gave it too good of a hint. Yeah.

Okay. All right. Well, I'll be thinking about that. And the answers will be at the end, like usual. We'll of a hint. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, I'll be thinking about that. And the answers will be at the end, like usual. We'll be right back. This episode is brought to you by HelloFresh. Be honest.

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All right, welcome back. We got to talk about this Pixel 9a leak. So I don't know if you've watched the Pixel Folder View. I mentioned in that Pixel 9 Pro Folder View that the camera bump on the back doesn't quite look like the rest of the pixels like it's not a visor it's more of like a bubble in the corner and it's just a i kind of wish it was more of a visor it's sort of it's a square actually either way it's not a visor right

now we have leaks of what may be the next a series pixel the budget pixel pixel 9a and for those who are uh not watching in video it also is not a visor matter of fact it's just an essential phone it's the essential phone like it's like uh it's a flat-sided glossy backed big old bezel big not huge but like it's an ac for today that's the big bezel uh even even bezels hole punch cut out and totally separate flash next to the camera module dual cameras it looks very essential phone but with a giant g on the back and a huge camera but how are we feeling is this boring i mean it's black there's no like colors leaked in this particular render i mean if it was made out of the same materials as the Essential Phone, maybe I'd be excited. Ceramic. That's a super good point. Yeah.

Ceramic. People forget, that phone back in the day was like pretty well specced. The highest build quality ever. It was really well built, and it was like $400, right? I think it was $549. I thought it was $549. Oh, I'm off on that. And it had a headphone jack.

Well, oh, wait. Oh, wait. Psych. Hey, you could buy an attachment to put a headphone buy an attachment i don't think they ever sold that attachment though right it was on the roadmap but i don't think they ever put it out i thought they eventually did the first one was that 360 360 camera yeah maybe they did sell it anyway the the pixel 9a will probably be very very predictable it will probably be 449 or something like that it will probably be a tensor g4 it will probably be the old camera sensors regular and ultra wide yeah it will

probably be do we think it'll have in-screen fingerprint or power button fingerprint that's the only thing i'm not sure what does it look like i would prefer this render looks like two regular buttons so i would guess i guess probably probably in screen but maybe not ultrasonic because it'd be cheaper that because they're ultrasonic yeah and the new one's probably optical probably 128 gigs of storage gemini 8 gigs ram did you explain why this looks like the essential phone because there's no camera bump yeah right like recessed camera yeah it's very flat as well which i like i think a lot of people are gonna like i'm hoping that means enough battery as well like go ahead and add battery if you want to flatten out the back of the phone not have a camera bump and have more battery great love that um that just generally

means the sensors are way smaller right also 100 true the reason we have the camera bumps on these phones is because the sensors are huge and they have a large z-axis dimension which means you just need to protrude it out the back yeah so yeah smaller sensors equal smaller camera bump i think the conversation with pixel for me is still mostly around like is the next version actually going to be like a huge jump up for tensor is it actually going to be the exciting like well this is going to be g4 right this one's not going to have the new one. It'll be Pixel 10 generation that has that stuff. Yeah. So still a wait for that.

But that's the question is like, okay, should I buy the Pixel 9 series generation stuff or should I be waiting for this alleged amazing huge efficiency update for the 10 and the Tensor G5, if they still call it that? Unsure. Yeah. A lot of rumors about that. Well, for the hundredth time they're releasing this allegedly in spring like usual i want to say and they need to stop doing

that because i know why they do it in in that they're just like the parts are so similar to the regular phone that people aren't buying them anymore so if they release a new thing but it uses a lot of the same parts they're technically just selling more of the phone yep but when they do this like this the 9 is out only like six months before the 10 yeah the 9a six months before 10 so it's just like i don't want to buy this phone when the 10 is about to come out but if it's half the price then maybe people won't care what if they did it the apple way and instead of calling it the 9A, they called it the Pixel SE. So you don't think about the 9 as much. It's just a budget Pixel.

And the way that Apple does it is they only release an SE every few years. True. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Aren't they reversed about the new SE? It's going to be like iPhone 10 body is what people are saying.

10R maybe? Yeah. Which is annoying because I wish it was a mini. They should just make it the iPhone mini body body what the hell was this shut up how many times i sleep i'm reading the iphone tesla self-driving case uh like legal oh i'm trying to decide if it's worth talking about but i heard iphone mini and was like wait i just want to say I appreciate that this leak is six months until this probably comes out. Yeah.

We are out there. Yeah. Well, it's Google. I know. It's so on brand. Yeah. They are not good at keeping secrets. Also, do we think this is going to be more expensive?

Because the 8A was $4.99, I think. The rumor is that it's the same price. Oh, it is. I thought it was $4.99. Pixel. I think it was $4.99. I thought we hit $499, I think. The rumor is that it's the same price. Oh, it is? I thought it was $499. I think it was $499. I thought we hit $499. We keep jacking the price up every year. We don't do it.

We can go higher. Well, not every year. Don't get on us. Yeah, true. I don't think you can launch this higher than $500. But what if it has all the Gemini stuff? They also increased the price of the standard Pixel 9 by $100, remember? They did.

Yeah. That's what makes this like I think it's a good buy or not makes it a better value really depends because the a a was like almost the same price as the on sale should we okay well should we bet on the price the launch price of the pixel 9a for 99 for now let's do it for now I've 49 oh that's okay I'll go 599 oh my god if it's fun I hope that's what I was going to say. Okay, I'll go $599. Oh my God, if it's $599. I hope that's wrong. DOA, if it's $599.

Yeah. They don't even have a camera bar. Do they add a bunch of RAM? Is that how they could just- It's supposed to have eight gigs of RAM. Probably for the AI stuff. Because all the Pixel 9s have- I think the reason the regular Pixels could go up is because you start getting to that next iteration

of like 500, right? Or even 250 maybe so like 500 feels like the limit of what these middle range lower end phones are yeah we've had flagships but like the pixel ones were under a thousand so they could bump that up to get to the thousand they shouldn't well whatever they can do whatever they want this feels like if you go 549 if you go 599 on this that's crazy that better be on sale in like a week right after it comes out yeah i think that's bad every year goes up by a little bit i bet it's going up again dang 499 you guys remember the pixel 4a best value phone ever correct 349 i gave that thing a trophy that's wild yeah anyway okay so wait you were just reading about pixel uh about tesla full self-driving did you guys see the

cyber truck is slowly getting a roll out of full self-driving i'm scared of that so i just want you to know when you see a cyber truck on the road that thing might be driving yeah just want you to know are you driving yours on um I guess I'm in the early wave. I don't use autopilot that much, but I kind of want to see what happens. I don't turn it on. I got tailgated by a Hummer EV the other day and almost thought about quitting driving.

I've been seeing a lot of them recently, by the way. It flew up on me and I was like, hold on a minute. I've seen quite a few recently. Hummer EVs? Yeah. They're out there. Was it the pickup truck or the SUV?

It was a pickup truck. Because then he blew by me on like two lanes to the right. Because I was recently reading a comparison of the Hummer SUV to like the R1S and some other electric pickup trucks. And I realized the Hummer is only two rows. It's like by far the biggest one but it's only two rows for some reason i thought that was weird yeah it's gigantic also for those who might not have seen the silverado ev review um the silverado pickup truck gets well over 400 miles of range but i missed the silver the Silverado completely. It came out really recently.

We had it, though. I totally missed it. The full size. This was the one where I was like, is it actually going to get this much range? Because everyone keeps telling me like, oh, yeah, the Rivian's fine and like the F-150 Lightning is fine,

but just don't forget about the Silverado. It gets 450 miles of range. That's crazy. Dude, are you serious? Do you really think it's going to get that much range? But then it comes out and we test it. The thing has a 205 kilowatt hour battery. It is enormous. Oh, wow. Like, dude, are you serious? Do you really think it's going to get that much range? But then it comes out and we test it. The thing has a 205 kilowatt hour battery.

It is enormous. It is extremely heavy, just like the Hummer. But the Hummer is not aerodynamic or trying to be efficient. It's got off-road tires. It's trying to be inefficient. It has no intention of getting a ton of range. It has a thousand horsepower. But the Silverado EV, not as sporty, 475 miles of range on the dash and like a very legit like if you drive like a grandma i could get 430 probably that's so really but that's really good yeah for

a truck but the only way they could do that was by having a 6 000 pound battery at the bottom of it so yeah yeah that's where we're at also the reason we have been seeing way more hummer evs is because according to good car bad core automotive sales data in 2022 hummer sold 854 in 2023 they sold 3260 and this year so far they have sold 8903. why are people buying so many aren't they still expensive what's going on what is happening they're taking off for some reason sorry how many did you say were sold this year nine thousand nine thousand yeah that's also how many r1s's were sold this year really yeah ten thousand but is rivian going down in sales? No, that's... Yeah, maybe a little.

They sold 23,000 last year, so maybe they're down a little. But they sold a lot in the last part of the year, so probably similar to last year. Crazy. That is a lot of Hummers. Why are people buying these? Who is buying these? Maybe for home battery backups.

If you're watching the dishes and just bought a Hummer EV, tweet at us. Zero tweets. That's wild. Maybe one. Well, shout out to the Hummer EV, tweet at us. Zero tweets. That's wild. Maybe one. Well, shout out to the Hummer. I'm fishing. Alright, Andrew, do you want to explain this Reddit news to us?

David probably actually knows more about this than I do. I saw it and assumed that you could explain it to us. I don't feel like censoring the next three minutes. Okay, David. What is happening? Alright, I'll try to make this less boring. It's not WordPress. No, I can get more angry at this.

So don't worry. Andrew's locked in. I'm ready. If you remember... You know that meme where it's like the gamer sitting back... Reddit?

Okay. Okay. So if you remember, last year there was a big Reddit revolt because they basically made their API completely inaccessible

because they made it so expensive that no third-party app developers could really feasibly run a third-party reddit client unless they charge for it well there's like one or two that's why i said unless they charge for it i only have one and i pay a subscription and he pays for it exactly that's how i get it right so okay um yeah that's how christian's ceiling can we like shout out yeah can we say like go buy pixel pals because if christian's ceiling can we like shout out to like pop yeah can we say like go buy pixel pals because if christian if you're listening to this episode i'm sorry about us talking about all the things that have been taken from you yeah yeah okay um so that api change that got rid of all the third-party apps because the official app really sucks and has like it's just

not good it's still terrible it's still terrible um there was a bunch of site-wide protests which included a bunch of subreddits taking their subreddits private because if you didn't know reddit is run by a bunch of unpaid moderators of people who are just enthusiasts about a topic like wikipedia and they're the ones that basically like run the subreddits they moderate the subreddits they like take inbox requests and all this stuff and so now that reddit ipo'd and is trying to make money back for its investors it basically effectively cut off the api so it can like maintain all the users on its app um okay so reddit eventually won that war because obviously they just needed to wait it out until either the reddit admins took

over the inactive subreddits or just closed down the subreddits usually they took over them you can't close you can't delete a subreddit so as far as i know probably all of them are open because if it was down long enough and someone requested to take over it right the ad like reddit administrators were would do that which is what happened to mqbhd right is now an unofficial subreddit because yeah okay so a way that subreddits were also protesting beside uh was basically taking their subreddits private which is a thing that you can do where you have to be invited to be on the subreddit it's a feature but by taking it private it forces anyone that's not invited to be part of the subreddit

to not be able to see it. So this subreddit is private. Another thing that they were doing to protest was they were changing the subreddit from a safe for work subreddit to a not safe for work subreddit. And what that does is it stops ads from being able to play on the subreddit because ad networks don't want their ads affiliated with not safe for content and i think it also made it so like if you're in a logged out state it won't show not safe for worse stuff i believe won't show on a front a front page of right something that's not curated inside of a user account right yeah yeah

um so now what reddit is doing is they are making it so that if you either want to take the sub private or you want to change it to a not safe for work subreddit, you have to submit a request to Reddit itself and then they will approve or deny that request. So they are basically taking away as many possible ways for people to protest on Redditdit as possible shocker you know and they have all this kind of hand wavy thing of you can still protest by commenting

you can still protest by giving us more traffic yeah yeah which does nothing um yeah there are some little asterisks requests that will be automatically approved for subreddits that are smaller than 5 000 members or less than 30 days old so technically you could protest if you don't matter yeah to the sub to the subreddits traffic it just seems like a like reddits traffic band-aid fix for i mean it's basically completely stopping people from being able to effectively protest on reddit yeah like it's in the stopping people from being able to effectively protest on reddit yeah like it's in the way that they have in the past yeah yeah i wonder what would constitute something they would approve on setting a subreddit private like what would what would we

have to do not safe for work content or no but that's a whole nother switch so and you have to get that approved as well yeah yeah so what's the approval process of that post like a bunch of not safe for work content on the page and then say this shouldn't this should be not safe for work or like proved how do we get privating the mqbht subreddit approved if we were still part of it if we were just making sure that's yeah which we're not but like if we are literally if we wanted to how how would we is there any good reason to not that i know of if there's one thing I know about the Reddit community, they will find a way to protest it. They're creative.

We should all move to Dig. Is Dig still around? I mean, everyone left Dig for it. I know, that was like such a... This is just a clickbait site. Oh no, it's a clickbait site. This is like old BuzzFeed. That's a sad that's

let's take it back yeah i don't want to see it in this state all right next up microsoft discontinuing hololens 2 with no replacements did you guys see this and nobody was i didn't know they were still making okay that's what i'm talking about but i think it's because hololens is all enterprise really didn't they have military contracts they have a bunch of i think they have a ton of different contracts and it actually is extremely popular in a lot of different enterprise situations um i i would argue they're prop like microsoft and hololens probably has some of the best i'm assuming best ar technologies out there because they've been working on it for so long you would think they did in 2017 yeah that's a great assumption i mean they still updated it again later and there is two there was talk of a three coming out but now that's obviously not

happening just like the surface duo i mean i think it was a part of the reason it was so enterprise focus is we they didn't have a good form factor for uh consumers you know it's there's still this big clunky it looks a lot like the meta quest pro um or i keep thinking about uh magic leap which did you know there was a second magic leap that came out two years ago i found that out recently i found that out looking up stuff in this yeah um yeah but i think the main reason i wanted to bring this up is so they're stopped they've they've finished production of hololens 2 and they're not ramping it back up so any ones that are built now are the last ones available they will have updates until december 2027 but with seeing orion glasses and meta ray-ban glasses and i guess not ray-bans but like these new snap spectacles do we think microsoft is fully out of the ar game or do we think we're

gonna see something under a different name that's focused on consumers i lean towards the second one me too i lean enterprise every time with microsoft that's so fair but do you think it'd be dumb for them to open ai what i'm sorry i i was thinking about something else do you think microsoft is going to just stop ar oh every few years microsoft makes a new ar thing that they like use a bunch of oems like lenovo and dell to create ar things for, and then they make Paint 3D, and then they discontinue Paint 3D. And I have faith that they will make another consumer AR thing, and I also have faith that it will last a year and a half.

Fair. Yeah. Go for it, sorry. Excel and VR. No, I think, yeah, it's fair that Microsoft is very enterprise focused. That's probably where they'll continue to focus. But let me zoom out your question a little bit, actually. I just watched Cleo Abrams interview with Mark Zuckerberg. And one of the sort of larger topics of that conversation was that like Zuck firmly believes that these AR glasses are the next generation computing platform, like post smartphone. Do we think that that's possibly true? I hope that's not true.

No, because there's wearable AI devices now. Yo, didn't that guy just say like two years ago that normal VR headsets were like the next thing? Yeah. Well, that's because we didn't have the tech to do AR stuff.

And now they're showing these prototypes. And I really want to try this Orion prototype. Me too. But when I think about this idea, it feels possible. Because remember we did this video about we have VR headsets, we have Snapchat glasses. Yeah. And somewhere in the middle is this like VR experience where the whole computer like fits in the glasses. And you can just see things projected on your world. And that's where they're both racing from both directions.

Yeah. The Ray-Bans and the Oculus. Yeah. And if you give that tech the benefit of the doubt and just fast forward the tech in your head and let's say these glasses exist where you actually have like some AR experience, could you go without your smartphone in this world? Is that actually the next thing? Or is this also in addition to your phone? Because I have a hard time picturing. So the Orion at least has a separate compute puck. It does.

Yeah. I could see this being a thing. I just don't want it to be a thing because I would prefer to know when people are not listening to me versus them just wearing glasses like this. Like spacing out. And I just have no idea that they're like watching a tiktok that is the most dystopian thing i've ever heard that's a very fair point

yeah which i mean it seems like we're going that way anyway but at least if you can tell then it's not as bad yeah i i agree with you that i that's why I think they're going away from HoloLens, but Microsoft doesn't put six years, six or seven years into like AI, AR technology and research and development. And I think not go a different route. I think if they were staying with Enterprise, they would keep the HoloLens name because it's super popular,

but I don't, I think there's no way they just ditch AR together. I like they're gonna they have to release something new i think they will because ar is ever ar is like is like high tide low tide right there's a time for it and then it has a nuclear winter and then there's a time for it again so how tides work and then there's a yeah nukes make the tides go up and down interesting yeah so yeah i don't know i think microsoft will see it as an opportunity like oh oh maybe this time is the time it's gonna do be the thing god and then it's so right and then it doesn't work and then they're like well we're an enterprise company so uh we'll try to make it work for the

enterprise and then they try to converse try to convince everyone's gonna work for enterprise and no one cares. Oh my God, you're so right. When I was in elementary school, I had a Logitech webcam that had AR features built in, like very basic, like, oh, you're a dinosaur, you know what I mean? And then it went away.

And then the Nintendo 3DS came out, and there was the AR cards, and then no one cared again. And then Snapchat filters came back. Yeah, it's literally the sine wave. We're in high tide right now. Are we cosine or sine? I don't know.

Did you guys see what these two Harvard students did with the meta Ray-Ban glasses? Yes. Bad. Wait, where's the button? These two students... Are you looking for the bat no bad don't okay well commit crime no don't do that thank you so these two harvard students took a pair of meta ray-ban glasses and essentially found a way to like live dox people by essentially

they take the glasses they run it to a live stream on instagram and then they have a computer set up that is scanning the instagram live feed video facially recognizing people like recognizing a face taking the face out of the video and then using some sort of like ai to like reverse image search it through the web and then send to your phone all the information it can find online about a face that it just saw so it's this video these two kids like going around like a subway and essentially like walking up to people and being like oh are you blah blah do you have this like charity um in this country where you do stuff like this and the guy's like yes um and there's one there's a video about there's a video of them doing it's different

people on like the subway they've never met they know like their names they know their relatives names they know like different places and it's all based on public information because it's finding photos of people online and just using the correct like different ways they trained it to search through faces online um the one of the wildest ones is they're like on campus and they just go up to this girl like eating lunch and like do you live it and she's like yes they're not releasing any of this and the reason they said they made it is because they want to show that like we all talk about this dystopian future of facial recognition

and cameras everywhere and so that's not the future. This is totally capable right now, which is kind of terrifying. I was going to say, this just sounds like a proof of concept. It is. It is a proof of concept. We're just going to show that this thing exists already. And it's terrifying.

Why test it on unsuspecting individuals whose months you just ruined? I think they're just, yeah, I mean. Not wrong. Yeah, I mean, yeah, good point, good point. But I do think they're just like trying to show that like devices you can get off the shelf today can do pretty weird stuff like this.

That took a hard left turn from where I thought you were. Because the way I picture it, you were like, there are these Harvard students and they got these glasses and then you can like relay the the footage from the glasses anywhere and then using image recognition and i thought you were going to say like something like you know gemini or whatever could analyze the buildings around you and like figure out where you are in space well that's like the meta ai already does exactly which i thought again like this is the

every tech has all this upside and then all this horrible downside that comes with it which is like yeah it would be cool if like your superpower is you could just look up at any building and it could just tell you where what building it is or like tell you what landscape or what history it is it onto your hand what building it was well probably not that wouldn't work but something like uh yeah these ar glasses could tell you like what you like what you're walking to find your car. And it tells you with a little arrow over like where you're parked or something like that. Like Google Glass? Yeah, it could be actually like pretty cool and useful.

But the dark side of this is the sharp left turn you made, which is, oh, it can also just tell you anything about the people because of the facial recognition and the public databases about them yeah etc etc so yeah like a cool superpower to have would be to just look at someone and immediately know their name yeah exactly that's the that's the example that's been used hundreds of times it's like what if you just like didn't have to remember this stuff and you could always know people's names yeah but then when i was a kid i was like that's incredible and now i'm like oh my god the downside is enormous i want anyone to know i want you know yeah it's like it's funny though because they built this all with like nothing too far outside of the ordinary like they're obviously super talented and they found a way for whatever program they built to watch the video recognize what a face is pull a screenshot of that face and use that as an image search but all they did was like the very

basic things that are allowed in uh the ray-ban glasses like ray-ban meta has a privacy polity that says like respect people's preferences and urge you to clearly gesture your cat capturing video or live streaming but like what does that mean like please tell people you're streaming like i don't know there's so much bad that could come out of that i mean in the wrong hand no one no one's ever used a meta product to do anything bad before okay guys let's not get crazy yeah it's not like uh cambridge analytica didn't really happen like mark like mark is like i was gonna say not to get political but here we are uh not to get political but china has been doing this for like a decade plus right you know like with like cctv off the shelf parts this is the argument that people are making about

the google image manipulation thing because it's the same thing it's people are saying photoshop's been able to do that forever the thing is it's not about the ability to do it necessarily it's about the accessibility of it i think that's the whole point of these glasses it's like technically yeah you could set up your own security camera attached to your laptop that is constantly streaming and do the same thing. The point is we are now buying things off the shelf that could be easily modified to be able to do this

that nobody would be able to notice because everyone's wearing them. I think that's the point that they were trying to make. Yeah. Anyway. We're closer than we think. And do you know what else starts with a t now i'm really bummed out sorry i wish i i you know this story bummed me out so much i'm not

gonna hit the button i'm just gonna go no i'm just kidding that's a hard love turn right there uh correction earlier this episode i said that inside the TV, CRT TV, was a photon gun. That was wrong. It's actually an electron gun. This episode? This episode. I've been waiting for the chance to correct that because the words left my mouth and I felt like a big...

Dummy. Idiot. Anyway, David actually already ruined my trivia question earlier in this episode. I had to write another one. What was it uh it was about uh the hololens military contracts so thanks david appreciate that ellis's defense that was the answer not the question what kind of podcast have we become it's because uh they canceled hololens too but they specific or the earliestLens 2, but the earliest reports indicated they did not cancel the military-specced HoloLens 2.

It has a very silly name. It is called the Integrated Visual Augmentation System, and it looks terrifying. For war. For war. The four war. The EX. Anyway, HoloLens 2 has a trim option, which is called the Trimble XR10. The HoloLens 2 Trimble XR10 is a normal HoloLens with what attached to it? Trimble? The Trimble XR10. I have a guess.

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Halide. Great start, Andrew. Is this the bit now? I was like, we did this last night. Halide. It's silver halide crystals on film. They added new camera control features on top of, with the new iPhone 16 camera control button. Quick pop quiz.

Quick pop quiz. Raise your hand in the room if you are using a 16th gen iPhone. Okay, so just David. Keep your hand raised if you've used camera control more than once in the past two days. Besides to show people how it works.

Besides to demo it to people. And to open how it works. Besides to demo it to people. And to open the camera app. Besides to demo it to people. I use it to open the camera app. Every time. Same. Could you not do that with the power button before? You could do that with the action button, with the swipe on the home screen, with the lock screen shortcut. You could do it a thousand different ways.

But now you can also do it with that button. I'm sensing you guys don't like it very much. It's not that I don't like it. It's just it's not that much better than using the screen of the phone. How dare you? Unfortunately. Yeah, and it's more difficult in a lot of ways.

Okay, well, I think one of the features, because now you can control focus and exposure in Halide. I do think focus controls on that in video would probably be nicer than having your finger over the screen i still don't think so i don't really think really because the tab on the side of the phone isn't big enough i would rather use the enormous screen and only block part of it with my thumb cool next story okay i just okay we talked about this for another episode we'll have in the future that we did in the past. But I really think that this button is too complicated. It's too complicated.

David, save it for the future. All right. That's our teaser for the future episode that we shot in the past. Anyway, we'll talk about it in the future. Well, next segment, and I'm going to open this up. This is not an ad ad but it might feel like an ad it's a product that we got recently that i myself and a lot of people in the studio have been thoroughly enjoying it's the new linus precision screwdriver have you guys you guys have

all played with this right i play with the spinny part okay yeah that's it what a bearing the the ltd team sent us over a few of these and i can't believe how impressed i am by how much this little screwdriver i've never used it to screw anything in but as a fidget toy it is impeccable it is they put a ball to explain to audio listeners it is a small screwdriver very similar to the iFixit kit we'll talk about that in a minute um small precision screwdriver for smaller you know precision tasks precision tasks that are unlike what the regular line of screwdriver is which i also use and it's very big like a lot yeah um but not normally in these small precision screwdrivers do you have a bit compartment for it when you pull up the top.

But what they did specifically that is fantastic with this thing is they put a ball bearing in the little top that has their logo on it and this sucker rips. It does. Let it rip, Andrew. Can you hear that? And it will do that for about three minutes.

I think at least 60 seconds. Yeah. Longer than that. Really solid. Let's just all sit here and wait 60 seconds while this goes. Okay. And he has it at an angle. So it would actually go longer if he had it straight up.

I wasn't watching. I was just gravity. Let's not do that. Yeah. Because it's the bearing and it is trying to do that. So yeah, that's basically it. That's why we like the screwdriver. Still disagree. Also, I just want to say for every competition we've had in here of who can

spin it the longest i've won every time just saying really yes wait but marquez can rip a frizz so he might be able to do it even harder i mean okay i'll just do a really quick breakdown of what this is for 30 you get oh it's thirty dollars that's it no no no it is thirty dollars for just the screwdriver oh with no bits the reason they did that is because from what i heard they match the bits with the i fix it kit so like fit perfectly because they've already you know partnered with i fix it a bunch it's a hexagon right uh i'm buying one right now there is something not an ad there is something very... Not an ad. There's something very specific

that they mentioned with how the bits fit, whereas, like, some screwdrivers measure the inside to the standard where they measure the opening to the standard

where some of the bits are measured to the standard. So if you have one of one and one of the other, it won't fit because they'll be the same size. One has to be bigger. One has to be smaller.

And I think iFixits are a little different. So they actually match theirs to fit with iFixit. So if you have an iFixit kit already, because a lot of LTT fans have an iFixit kit. Yeah, they've been sponsored by them a lot. You can, for $30, buy this and it can replace your iFixit screwdriver because this does not spit any.

This is a great screwdriver still. Is that like the only difference is that it doesn't spin as well and it doesn't have the compartment on the inside oh yeah they also did a great job with the compartment because it has this very nice mechanism to where it just actuates and goes down it's never pretty cool stuck halfway through if you have the okay say that again well if you have the affix the kit thing you you're just buying the new screwdriver for the mic you're just buying this and the fidget toy you can put them in kit thing, you're just buying the new screwdriver for the Mac. You're just buying this. And the fidget toy. You can put them in there, but if you're taking it somewhere, you can put a couple inside

and keep your favorites. It's like your bookmarks. If you only use five or six, you can keep just basically that in your drawer. If I were doing this, I would probably keep the standard ones that I use for all my computer builds up here so I don't have to remember each time because they're so minuscule. I don't believe so. Oh. No, it's it ratcheting minuscule no i don't believe so oh no it's not ratcheting non-ratcheting i'm a i'm a fan boy for the og linus tic-tip screwdriver that's the one it is a really great i was i have that one that ratchets it has a

little bit compartment it doesn't spin but it's pretty good yeah it does yeah uh a lot of people also recommend an electric screwdriver there's a very specific one all the keyboard people use magic stick i think or something so is this like somewhere in between like a drill and a yes analog screwdriver wow stick wow stick is a very popular one in the keyboard an analog screwdriver but so thirty dollars for the screwdriver fifty dollars for the case with 60 bits in terms of comparisons to iFixit this kit from iFixit with 64 bits is 64 bit 64 bit nice is 40 dollars but it does also come with arguably the best tool in all of these, which is the 150-millimeter bending extender. This thing is awesome. But I think it's super well-priced.

The case is great. The whole build quality is great. Linus does a great job with all their stuff. It's orange. It's orange. It's orange. Well, it's like a red amp. Paying an extra $10 because it's orange well it's like a red and like paying an extra 10 bucks because

it's like a creator that you like and you're supporting them i think is a super fair creator tax if you want to say that but i'm sure this was not cheap ball bearing too is the ball bearing is so nice i think there's different tops you can buy as well oh really anyways i'll end it here because i just feel like i'm like you should have killing so hard yeah my ltt affiliate code is um yeah it's great highly suggest it ellis i'm sure we'll try it and i think i want it like we know a product is good when people come to our like middle table where we open things and like play with the new product these have been spun by every member in the studio multiple times and they've been stolen to desks um more often than i can count and you just hear people spinning

them all day so great job ltt team yeah what happened to fidget spinner i'm gonna buy a fidget spinner buy buy this instead we have three of them bring them back fidget spinner yeah they still sell them do you know what i saw interesting with a fidget spinner the other day there's this really great um creator grace wells she does like um product videography like kind of like really good advertising stuff but she did it on tiktok where it'd be like i would buy x from you and then we'll do like a whole close-up macro kind of like our intros ads on like a coconut or something like a wall outlet. And the way she does a lot of the spinning shots is she just puts it on top of a fidget spinner

and spins it on a table. Like as is Lazy Susan? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's smart. I thought it was really smart. It's because the ball bearing is so amazing in a fidget spinner. Anyway, that's about it for this week. I think it's time.

We've really run the gamut. We should probably wrap it up, though, with this other thing that starts with a T. Telegram news. Trivia. Oh. Telegram, dude. They gave the data to the cops.

That's the news. Jesus. Wait, that's the wayports? You can cut that. That's the wayports? No, that's staying, because everyone should use signal so hey quick update on the score marquez with 17 lagging andrew and david tied with 21 21 21 so for question one christian selig maker of the the Reddit Apollo app, has a YouTube channel. His last video was about making a computer accessory, one of which is in his room right now. Not the one he made, just like a version of that accessory.

What accessory did he build on his YouTube channel? Quick question. He made it from scratch? He made it from scratch. He did make it from scratch? Like scratch scratch. Yeah, like legit scratch. Really? Yeah. Yeah, it was awesome. I thought you just said tech accessory.

Yo, I'm gonna take this 90 second break to go on a tangent because this has been on my mind for like a week now. It's about the wild rubber. Precision screwdriver made me think of it. I was on Reddit as I go on sometimes. Don't really like that website. But someone made a Reddit post about buying a hammer for their concrete crew. And they're like, what do you think of this hammer? And one of the comments was literally, bro, this is the Ferrari of hammers. And I looked it up and this hammer is in between 250 and $350.

And everyone in the comments is like once you swing this hammer you will know what being god feels like so if anyone in the comments is a framer that has ever used a stiletto stiletto trim bone series hammer if you know what it's like to swing that hammer let me know in the comments i want to feel that boy am i curious you know what's funny is on the bonus episode when you brought your uh keyboard when i didn't bring my keyboard bonus episode when you brought your keyboard. When I didn't bring my keyboard? When you didn't bring your keyboard. When you talked about your keyboard and you said, so if anyone was thinking of buying the Korg SV7032 keyboard.

That's not bad. Was it SV70? It was SV273SP. Oh, wow. It was actually close. Yeah. There was a comment that was like, bro, nobody's thinking of buying the keyboard. Nobody's thinking about the keyboard.

But, like I said, if you have swung a 10, 14, or 15-ounce trombone hammer made by Stiletto, please let me know how it feels, because I am curious. You can only swing it if you're worthy. Flip it and read. What do we got? Okay, I hope we're all right. Okay, what did you guys say? We all said keyboard.

And I also drew one correct how technically I was looking for mechanical keyboard but you know I'll give it to you what was a split or the linear keyboard oh my god with Gator on blues at 40 for Graham activation point all right gamers i got one right guys that's huge turn this franchise around i think adam initially said process yeah heck hey accessory computer you said computer accessory the second time that helps me a lot i saw marquez's light bulb go up straight at the keyboard on the because i was looking at computer accessories, and I was like, Andrew said it showed up on his recommended. So it's probably, yeah.

Yeah, because I follow Christian. You don't? I know what you're up to. I subscribed to him after this. Actually, I think I found it on Twitter and didn't know he had a YouTube channel. We should just title this episode, Episode 253, Christian Selleck. We should just put him in the thumbnail as one of the people all right question number two hololens 2 has a trim option called the

trimble xr10 which is a standard hololens 2 with what attached to it it's gotta be it's like attached to it maybe it would be more fair to say that the hololens 2 is attached to it. It's gotta be. It's like attached to it. Maybe it would be more fair to say that the HoloLens 2 is attached to it. But yeah, they are attached and inseparable. A rail gun. That's what I wrote. Another...

It is attached to it. Another product that I think is like the god tier version of its class is dude this is my favorite genre product okay the best do you cook at home ever no not like god tier product cook all right all right the lamson brand spatulas if you have never used a lamson brand spatula i'm so in dude it's a 60 spatula it seems not is it plastic oh i have a killer pepper grinder all right all right see some good answers marquez i can't see her so why don't you go first i wrote battery no third chair no but that's awesome you connect the chair imagining some

chair that the hololens is attached to you like an electric chair no like extra i don't know like a 40 experience i like it 40 i wrote field of view extender what is that like okay so the hololens doesn't have a particularly wide field of view it only has like a certain area right and since it had xr in the name i was kind of thinking that had something to do with like extended reality yeah extended range or yes yes but no unfortunately the correct answer yet no is a hard hat oh for construction sites that's an accessory that was the xr10 that was the trimble xr10 here i'll send you a picture of it right now. An official accessory? It's not an accessory. It's a trim option. If you go to Microsoft.com, hit HoloLens 2, the first one that comes up is HoloLens 2. The second one that comes up is HoloLens 2 Industrial Edition, which is made for people who are clean suits.

And the third option is the Trimble XR10 with HoloLens 2. So you can buy... Wait, is it built into the hard hat? All the listings I could see made it seem like that, but perhaps it is just a specially sized one. But it looks like it's part of the hard hat. Trimble field technology. Here, I'll send

you the... I'm on the page. Oh, you're on the page, are you? Yeah. These spatulas look primo. They're full tang. I have the whole page up right now. They're not sharp enough to cut yourself on, but they have a really sharp edge, so when you're cooking in a stainless or a cast iron,

you can get under something and pick all of that up and leave all the fond. It's like... I think the best part about stuff like this and high-quality kitchen utensils is going full tang and having the balance of like the handle and hand feel of all of it cooking feels different

with a lamson yeah and that was not sponsored either I just love your shit my pepper mill is by unicorn mills just saying oh it's fantastic it's like 60 bucks but when it's not wooden yeah you should have brought this on the podcast last week it's not wooden but so there are two different types of waveform listeners one that love it when we go on tangents

and some that hate it so after trivia at this point i'm sorry or you're welcome also the trimble xr10 is made by trimble marquez take us out thanks for watching thanks for listening this has been an exciting return to your regularly scheduled uploads but of course we have much more for the rest of this year it's 2024 you already know it's that time of year it's lots of exciting stuff so stay tuned thanks for subscribing

thanks for rating catch you guys in the next one peace you guys the next one. Peace. Wayform is produced by Adam Levine and Ellis Riven. We're partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn to try virtual music. It was created by Vain Silver. In fact, in the Wild Robot children's movie that I saw, near the end of the movie, the duckling that the robot has to raise does one of those peregrine falcon dives and breaks through the robot chamber.

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