Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Space Tourism is Here! Would You Go?

Episode Date: July 16, 2021

This week, Marques and Andrew cover all the big stories of the tech world: the phenomenon of Apple never showing 69 degrees, United Airlines buying 100 electric planes, and the Nothing x StockX collab. Then, Andrew dives deep into the current "space tourism" race between Virgin Galactic and Blue Origin, before wrapping everything up with a new segment that is sure to become the most popular part of Waveform ever: Hot Takes. Links: Subscribe to the pod & share with friends: http://bit.ly/WaveformMKBHD Subscribe to the pod on YouTube for full videos: https://bit.ly/WVFRMPodcastYouTube https://twitter.com/wvfrm https://twitter.com/mkbhd https://twitter.com/andymanganelli https://twitter.com/AdamLukas17 https://www.instagram.com/wvfrmpodcast/ shop.mkbhd.com https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Everyday Astronaut Loveday: https://bit.ly/3raU1L3 Everyday Astronaut Space Race: https://bit.ly/36CQMCz Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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there's not really a whole lot of products coming out. It's July. Yeah, it's the middle of the year. It's not really a whole lot of products coming out it's july yeah it's the middle of the year it's not too crazy but there is still a lot happening in the tech world generally as there is so we're going to talk about a bunch of these different things some of them are more real newsy than others but you'll see what we mean by that uh plus we got a couple hot takes at the end you have to stay for hot takes apparently we're making a segment out of this. I like, I really like the idea of a hot take segment. We'll see how it goes. We'll see how it goes. We'll see if we can cancel before we do another segment. We'll definitely fill it out.

But I wanted to start off with the most important one. My favorite major important headline of this entire week. For sure. Which is that Apple's weather app was discovered to not be showing 69 degrees Fahrenheit to anyone, anywhere. Now I saw this. I saw this on Twitter first. I think The Verge got the first scoop about it.

They made an article. They wrote an article. And that was essentially the entire point of the article. It was like, guys, you can look in your weather app right now. If you're on iOS 14 or earlier, you can look in your weather app right now. If you're on iOS 14 or earlier, you can look up a city right now that's 69 degrees, find it in AccuWeather, find it in dark sky or whatever, and then open the Apple Weather app, and it'll say 68 or 70. It refuses to show you 69 in the current temperature, in the forecast, in the highs and the lows.

It just won't do it. I've seen it in my weather widget. And as soon as I saw this headline, well, naturally I started looking up cities that I figured were about 69 degrees Fahrenheit. We went through, I think it took us like 90 seconds to find a couple, like one in Maine. I think Adam found the first one in, what? It was in some other country, but then we figured Boston. Boston was another one.

And we found it was 69 degrees in our accu other app and for some weird reason it wasn't a data sourcing error it really just refused from the same data source to show 69 degrees so okay immediately the reactions are like what okay apple like why it's not that serious like really spending extra energy coding to not show 69 what are you that anti-meme like is that seriously where we're at right now it feels almost like the like i guess it's not exactly the streisand effect but it's like if you're trying to not show something chances are everybody is going to show that more often yeah the second this article came out i made a

video like pulling up a city showing that it was 69 degrees in this city and that it was 68. I think it was showing 68 or 70 on my phone, 68. And yeah, you know, immediately everyone starts checking and fact-checking their own phones and seeing what's going on. Lots of people running iOS 15 beta were like, you're wrong, Marques. It shows 69 right here. It does show in iOS 15 beta, but you're running a beta OS, so that's not what I'm talking about. But this immediately became super fascinating

and sort of spread around like a wildfire. But the mystery has been solved. The mystery has, in fact, been solved, and it turns out it's not just Apple being some stuffy megacore that doesn't want to show 69. Anti-meme, yeah. Yeah, it's not actually just that the first thing that ticked me off on maybe it being a little different is someone tweeted if you notice

it also doesn't ever show 65 or 67 degrees in the weather app either again it might show it in the widget which is kind of interesting but then you open the app and you look at the the future forecasts and sure enough in boston it was like 68, 68, 68, 66, 64. And I started looking around and I also didn't find any other 65s or 67s, which is weird. If you're on an iPhone right now, on iOS 14 or earlier,

you can look in the weather app and you will not find 69 degrees Fahrenheit, 67 degrees or 65 degrees. So then it was like, okay, what's actually going on? Why? Turns out, the reason is most likely explained by where they source their data and how they source their data.

So a lot of people were asking, well, where are you finding that it's 69 versus 68? Maybe it's a discrepancy in the sourcing. It's a weather channel is where, now they bought Dark Sky, which does have their own data, but at the corner of iOS 14's weather app, it still says the weather channel. So if you go to weather.com, that's where they're getting their data from. But it looks like they're sourcing it in Celsius integers, basically. Now, most of the world uses Celsius, so that makes a lot of sense. But here in the US, we are stubbornly still using Fahrenheit, F for freedom, for Fahrenheit. And, no, yeah, so we're converting these source data Celsius integers, not decimals, into Fahrenheit.

And so, sure enough, 19 degrees Celsius is 66.2 degrees Fahrenheit, which rounds to 66. Then when you go to 20 degrees Celsius, that's 68. Yeah. So you just skipped 67. And 21 degrees Celsius is 69.8, which rounds to 70. So you'll never show 69. So this seems to be the most likely explanation

for why it's not showing up. And also probably why you are seeing it in iOS 15 betas because they've either fixed that or adjusted to source somewhere else, dark sky, or they're using integers or decimals now, not just integers. Whatever it is, it seems to be fixed in iOS 15, but I still thought that was hilarious because for a couple minutes there, the internet was like, wait a second. It was having a ton of fun.

What is going on here? If somebody found that it was negative 69 degrees in Antarctica and it was showing that, which is funny because I looked it up, negative 56 degrees Celsius is negative 68.8 Fahrenheit, which rounds to negative 69. So it will show negative 69, but not positive 69. My first thing I want to know is, because you said The Verge got the scoop. I'm wondering, was this a scoop?

Was this like, yeah, who thought? I am dying to know who at The Verge was just like, I'm hoping has this notebook of just days that it has not shown 69 to eventually get to the point where he's like, I'm writing an article. And it wound up being like the most popular article on the internet. Yeah, it probably just happened like somebody tweeted

or just emailed them like, hey, if you look around the app, you won't see 69. Like probably happened the same way with us where we went, wait, really? And then we just started searching everywhere for finding 69. I found 69% humidity. I did not find 69 degrees.

So yeah, once you get that far, you kind of write it up and just see what happens. It's one of those things that's so small where, like, you never really think about it. The difference between 68, 69, and 70 degrees. Like, if you stepped outside, you would be like, this weather app's wrong. Yeah. It's definitely not this. Well, that is part of my hot take.

Should I just get right into my hot take? No, I think we should save it for the end. Really? We should save it? All right. We have to save it for the end. I'll save it. Retention.

Retention. One last thing on that, though. Carrot app, which if you don't know what Carrot weather app is, it's hilarious. It's just the weather with usually something really funny. Like a sassy weather app. Yeah, sassy weather app is the best way. But anyways, immediately after all this news broke, someone posted a screenshot of just in their Carrot app.

It just says, feels like 17 degrees. I promise to always tell you when it's 69 degrees out. I downloaded it as soon as I saw that. Oh, did you get it? That was what earned my download. I downloaded Carrot, and yes, immediately it was telling me. Is it? That's amazing. It's 75 degrees, but we'll tell you when it's 69.

So thank you, Carrot, for the nod me. Is it? That's amazing. It's 75 degrees but we'll tell you when it's 69. So, thank you Carrot for the nod there. We appreciate it or maybe The Verge appreciates it. Whoever you're nodding to, I'm sure they love it. That's kind of it.

That's my important news. I just had to kick that off. I'm glad we got it out of the way. Now everyone can take a deep breath and just like relax for nice, easy news stuff after this. We're all about the hard hitting. Nothing else here is really about the hard-hitting investigative journalism right off the top.

Apple does have a new product out, which is always something we like to take note of. This one is the MagSafe battery pack. I want to give a shout-out to Brandon, who tweeted years ago that they should do this. He's not the only one who tweeted that you should do this, but we want to give him a little props for that. It's literally just a battery pack that slaps onto the back of the phone with the magnets from MagSafe and wirelessly charges your iPhone.

Vin called it a giant dentin ice. Kind of looks like one. It looks just like it with an Apple logo on it. I think we all had kind of mixed reactions around the studio. It is one of those things where at first, I like, I think we all had kind of mixed reactions around the studio. It is one of those things where at first to me, I was like, huh, that seems like a pretty good idea. I'd love to just like have it in my pocket or my backpack or whatever.

And if my phone's low, instead of having to carry a wire around, wait till I get my car, wait till I get my desk, have a big battery bank, just slap it on the back and it charges. But then you see it's $99. It's only, I think it's under 1,500 milliamp hours. So that wouldn't even charge a full battery, right? Not only is it smaller than the actual physical size of the battery, but wireless charging does lose a lot of efficiency to heat. So you're looking at maybe 70% to 80% efficiency

of getting that milliamp hour count into your phone. So you're not getting close to a full charge out of that. I can already see where this is going, which is like the crowd that's like, just get a wired power bank that can charge it 8,000 times and put it in your backpack. I wanted to be the, because I knew that it's obvious that's going to be, yeah, the suggestion there and like the argument. And I wanted to argue against it as like, this is nice because it's small and it can, it's like super easy.

It's typical Apple. It's not complicated. It's just like the most perfect way of solving it, except for now seeing that it's won't even charge a full battery. I just don't see why you wouldn't buy the Anker PowerCore, 26,000 milliamp hours for 70 bucks. It's clearly bigger, clearly needs cables, but I can charge anything.

Well, I can charge my Switch, I can charge my laptop, I can charge my phone, I can charge my ear. So classic. Like, I can charge everything with it. I just don't get why I wouldn't. I'd rather just deal with the cables. Because Apple makes products for a universe where other companies don't exist.

They still have other products that exist that this thing could charge. It doesn't even charge the product fully that it's made for. I mean, you can charge your phone with your MacBook Pro if you really want that much battery, which I've done, by the way. You can just plug it directly in with that cable.

I think this is just like an easy, convenient thing. This is like an in case of emergency, like convenience thing. Oh, what's that? You have 20% battery and you still have more stuff to do today? Pop it on the back of the phone. Don't even think about it.

You'll have the rest of the day for enough battery. Like you charge it up with lightning. You just have it for when you need it. It's in your bag. It's in your purse, whatever. It has to be charged by lightning? You got to charge it, yeah. Do you know that? But is it lightning or is it USB-C? It's in your bag. It's in your purse, whatever. It has to be charged by lightning? You got to charge it, yeah. Do you know that?

But is it lightning or is it USB-C? It's lightning. I believe it's lightning. Adam's saying it's lightning. It's lightning because it's in the iPhone's world where you would only buy this if you have an iPhone. So you have a lightning charger. Yeah, but if it's Apple,

they're assuming you have a MacBook too, right? Which is USB-C. Well, if you have any laptop, it's a MacBook. But maybe you don't have a laptop. So yeah, it's a lightning charged thing. Yeah don't have a laptop. So, yeah, it's a lightning-charged thing. Yeah, super simple, but obviously it's the classic Apple. Like, wow, it's a little overpriced. It's $100 for half a charge, but it is the one.

There are other third-party ones, by the way, that do the exact same thing. That use MagSafe, that clip on the back. MagSafe, wireless charging, not even clip. They just magnet onto the back. I guess that's what I'm witnessing. I think Anker makes one of the better ones right now not as pretty but I don't think the apple one's that pretty I think apples would be prettier if they match colors to the different iPhones like it feels like something they should do let me show you the anchor one because I think apples is way

better looking than the anchor one this is the the one that, right? I'd take the Apple one every time. It's definitely bigger. It's bigger. It doesn't taper either around the edges the way Apple does. Here's the thing. Do you expect, so when I first see these, I'm like, are people going to continue to use their phone with this on the back? Yeah.

Yeah, I guess. Like the ugly battery case. I guess it makes the most sense. Yeah, it's like, I'm guessing they're just probably not doing the battery case anymore, right? Yeah. I do have to assume that it probably has, like, one or two features with it, just in the sense of, like, MagSafe connecting

because it's first party. And, like, I would always prefer to do first party over anything, but it's still just, to me, I don't know, feels rough. Yeah, it's just an Apple world thing. Like lots of people are going to be in the Apple store and realize that they want a battery case, and this is the one that they sell for the iPhone 12. It slaps on the back.

It's kind of neat. It doesn't have to be amazing. Some people just have that money to just go, okay, I just want a battery that's just going to work with the iPhone. I also wonder how many MagSafe accessories you can have that then like which are taking over the other ones so like if i have an apple wallet i have to take that off every time now to use this charging thing yes yes you do uh if you have a magsafe case you can put this on the back of the magsafe case and it will

charge your phone through the case like the magsafe charger puck would not the most efficient thing in the world but it works i would really to see, just last thing to say on that, is how, from a dead battery, how much it actually charges. What would your guess be? So the iPhone 12 Pro. Let's just go regular 12. iPhone 12, what is the battery size? iPhone 12's got a battery that is...

It's like 36, right? No, it's smaller. It's much smaller. iPhone 12. 2,815 milliamp hours okay wow so the thing about that is you're you're coming in at 1460 for this so that's half if you get all of it out of the battery uh yeah i'm gonna go 40 40 yeah I mean in most days that gets you through the day so it doesn't really it's fine I'm not

I'm not in the target demographic yeah no I'm not either that's alright let's go to something a little different I guess I have no good

no good segue for this one but it was a fun article I thought I found okay and it's about planes which is fun because there's a plane flying over

and you might hear it. There's the segue. Nice. Finally, finally, Newark Airport working for us. Yeah. All right, so United to buy 100 electric planes for short-haul trips. Wow.

There's electric planes? That's exactly what I said when I saw this. Not only are there, I guess, electric, I mean, clearly we have to assume there are people working on electric planes like that's just gotta be one but the fact that we're close enough to being like united's pledging to buy a hundred of them uh it's from a startup company in sweden called heart aerospace um i think the main thing here is don't think immediately like giant commercial i'm gonna say 747 i think that's a larger plane but i'm sure yeah it is okay this uh this article says 19 passenger plane 250 mile

range very small so essentially the what it is actually really good for is if you think of like a large airport hub chicago o'hare is a perfect example because in the Midwest, it connects flights from the East Coast to West Coast and kind of sends you everywhere from there. But at the same time, it has a ton of Midwest states around it that you would generally fly into, take a very small plane to hop to Michigan

or to hop to North Dakota or something like that. So it would take over there where a lot of those planes are getting, or those flights are getting canceled because it's not efficient or it's not... There's not enough people getting on the plane to make it worth flying. Yeah, to make it worth flying

with fuel costs and everything like that. So they're not doing as many of those flights anymore. So it just would start taking over smaller trips like that. And that's, I think, pretty awesome. And it says these could be like in service as soon as 2026 which is not that far away five years away so that's that's pretty amazing it's cheaper it's clear like the biggest thing here is just planes have crazy emissions and we're clearly in in a world where we need to reduce emissions. And I appreciate them taking a step.

And hopefully it leads to bigger steps of eliminating those emissions. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is, I mean, so I don't know pretty much anything about electric planes. I've heard that this is like a thing that would be really cool to work on. But every time it's come up, I think I talked to Neil deGrasse Tyson about this. The energy density of batteries isn't quite good enough yet yeah uh to to lift all that weight of the battery off and then fly with the power generated from the battery but as battery tech improves maybe that's a projection that

will make this possible by 2026 um but the other thing is yeah like when you think about sustainable energy we're on you know the cars are actually starting to see the light. We're starting to see maybe in 10, 20 years there will be way more electric cars on the road. And eventually we see a world where we've wiped out the amount of emissions coming from cars. There still leaves boats, trains, planes are an absolutely massive one, as you pointed out. And eventually, yeah, we got to get to those too. So the fact that we start with the small ones, like the Nissan Leaf of planes or whatever, that's fine. That's a good start. But obviously we want to get to the massive planes

too. Yeah. I wonder how well this would do also in just like the private plane sector. I mean, I know that's not, you know, it's not hitting emissions like a 747 but there still are a lot of private planes flying all over the place and it's it's almost if you're doing it by passenger probably could be pretty similar to like emissions per person oh that's interesting know what i mean so like if these are smaller planes maybe that i am also this is a total assumption here so if someone wants to correct me, please do. Well, yeah. Private planes are a very small number of passengers,

very high number of emissions per passenger, but they are small planes with smaller gas tanks. They don't really do cross-country flights the same way a 747 would. No, which is why something like this. This is a good place to start. Yeah. Cool. I just thought that was really neat, yeah.

I hope in my lifetime that I'm able to fly on an electric plane. That would be really awesome. I think it would still feel, yeah. I look for, I hope in my lifetime that I'm able to fly on an electric plane. That would be really awesome. I think it would still feel exactly the same as a passenger as a regular plane because it's just gonna, it's still jets, I imagine. It's still making lots of noise. Because it's instead of burning fuel. It's still running the turbines.

Exactly. Yeah, true. So it's still gonna feel like a regular jet, but I just hope that for principle, I can in my lifetime ride an electric plane that would be cool it would be cool it would be cool to just also ride in a brand new plane every time i'm in a plane and i feel like it's nice i like hear someone talk about it like it's like this is a 30 year old plane it just always pretty new to me how long those are like stay in

commission last thing nothing and stockX. I saw this. This is a weird one that came out like 20 minutes before we sat down to record this, and we just wanted to talk about it quickly. Man, okay. So you've probably heard by now about Nothing. They're making a bunch of products starting with headphones, the Ear One,

and we know they're going to be these transparent earbuds. They've started to slowly tease information about them one by one this is like their their whole strategy is kind of the same as what oneplus is doing because it's the same ceo as oneplus used to have uh carl from oneplus um and they've gone all the way to the very highest end of hype i've been using the word hype to talk about this but i think StockX connection sort of solidifies it because what is a more hype connected company than StockX? StockX is a reseller listing site

for a lot of apparel and footwear. For hype stuff. Hype shoes, hype apparel. So if you find a hype pair of shoes and you want to buy, you know, somebody bought one of the limited edition drops and has one in your size, you want to buy it secondhand from them, there's this whole verification process,

and you can buy one or auction a pair of shoes, and that's kind of what they're known for. They started branching off, though, more recently into, like, electronics. I think they got the PS5 on there for a while, which is interesting. One of the most Hype gadgets. Like partnered with Sony? I don't know if it was a partner with sony but it was definitely available for a while on stock x with the whole verification thing and everything so uh this nothing partnership is uh it's an auction where they'll be auctioning the first 100 pairs which

will come with like a little engraving and a little special, you know, box or whatever, to whoever submits the 100 highest bits. It will be available for general availability later, but, and I think we know the price already, 100 bucks. So the 100 people who just want to spend however much they want to be one of the first hundred can get one whether they spend 101 or 200 or whatever they want they just have to be one of

the top hundred bits yeah the engraving you're talking about is the addition of it so it's like a limited edition one to a hundred you get this the serial number essentially i'm assuming the rest of them after that aren't going to have the engraved serial number on it. So these are like, yeah, just the first 100. You're basically paying to say that you have one of the first 100 of a company that doesn't really exist yet or has made a product yet.

Exactly. So here's the thing. On one hand, I get it. It's the perfect engine for like the beginning of hype if you're a brand new electronics company building hype what better way to get people really into it and to make a bunch of money than to give people the feeling of exclusive early access and anyone can you if you bid high enough you can have one of the first hundred of these cool gadgets this company is making that's like a feeling people really like exclusive early access whatever it is but on the other hand

having one of the first hundred products that a new electronics company makes i think is really rarely actually valuable like if you had one of the first hundred iphones which is not by the way one of apple's first ever products if you had one of the first 100 iPhones, which is not, by the way, one of Apple's first ever products. If you had an Apple One, okay, yeah, that's very valuable. But that's Apple. Like imagine if you had one of the first 100 OnePlus Ones. Because that's a company that's done pretty well. They've had a couple years of success, really had to come up.

Same CEO. That's about as good as a company can go in the short term. How much is a OnePlus One worth if you have one of the first hundred today? I don't know. I mean, I'm sure it's worth something, whether it was worth holding onto it for that long or even paying extra to get it. It's probably worth more than they paid for it. Yeah, it's a sentimental thing.

You have to want that rather than, like I don't think you can depend on that being an investment and like you're gonna sell later. There's certain companies and certain styles of products where that clearly works. And this is a model that you can follow. Like the first thousand Tesla Roadsters cost more than the rest.

They're the founder's edition. They're gonna be valuable later because they are a part of the first thousand. But that's a company like Tesla where you imagine they'll be around longer. And even the original Tesla Roadsters from back in the day are more valuable now than they used to be. But I just think when you get more and more gadgety and techie, that lifespan of people caring about them is a little bit weaker. I think you've got to be further from tech. I would almost, well, first off, Adam just looked it up ebay and you can get a one plus one for 30 bucks yeah right now

so yeah not a great investment if you pull that off um i would almost branch out further than just tech i feel like in today's generation just in general not even just with tech like collectibles have become like such a big thing selling old things uh for tons of money has just become such a something everyone looks out for that it seems like it just doesn't happen as much anymore it's really hard to find that but isn't it usually like new products i think it's because we we've seen these like old like i've for instance i think uh like it's either mario 64 like a mario super nintendo brand new and box just sold for like a couple hundred grand i think but but in the older generations it's because of how rare they are now because all those people took

them out and played them and then probably threw them away by now we are i mean look at pokemon cards people are just buying packs and immediately putting them into sleeves. It's just like, it's not a thing people are playing with anymore. Things that are getting destroyed, which means there's tons of them around. There's no rarity to increase the price of it. So yeah, you gotta hit this very special combo of being a rare classic in premium condition.

It's not easy to do. Like Mario, obviously, you know, a classic. Exactly. But most people who had those used them so you'd have to have like when we unboxed that bondi blue imac that was a rare classic in great condition that booted up 30 years out the box like that's that's the type of thing that actually maybe you can consider more valuable but i guess if you were betting on nothing being this huge company in the future, and this being a classic, that's like, that's a tough bet when you're, you know, a very new tech

company. But you know, if you believe in that bet, and you're getting it as an investment, then maybe you do buy one of these. Or maybe you just want the headphones. You just gotta have them early. I think when you're selling it as like basically a collector's item i can only imagine the person who gets one out of 100 on this is going to never use them and immediately keep them as a collector i wonder i would i would guess maybe some of these first 100s people use i think it depends on how much they win the auction for true i would also like to guess prices that we think some of these go for if the top one goes for like 500 bucks i think they're gonna just use them as headphones because they're just earbuds like 500 bucks you

spent more you're like wow i got the first ones let me use them i'm gonna unbox them on camera and the ceo will retweet me but if you spent like 10 grand like if it gets crazy on stock x which it can sometimes then i would say probably that person's gonna also buy another pair at general availability and just keep the one of 101 that they spent 10 grand on and hope maybe it's someday it's a classic i just don't think it's gonna get that we'll see let's let's guess top bid and bottom bid i would it would be really funny if one of the top 100 bids was under 100 bucks so that they actually got a discount think about that that would be hilarious from being one of the first hundred um uh no i think the top let me go top bid i think someone's gonna spend 1500 bucks i was gonna go as high as 3000

for the number one of 100 is that's my guess do you get to well yeah if you're the highest bid you get number one of 100 yeah yeah oh yeah sorry that Do you get to, well, yeah, if you're the highest bid, you get number one of 100? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Sorry. That's how it works. It's not 100 individual bids like I thought it might be. It is you bid for one and the top 100 bids get the top 100 based on.

So if you are the top bid, you get one. If you are the 100th top bid, you get number 100. So you don't get to decide you want number three. You just have to hope you're the third highest bid yeah which i think is kind of interesting because at least in nfts in the sense of like um like top shot the number edition was like really important with the value of it because ultimately even though maybe you know uh what numbers lebron so lebron so yeah lebron would be like jersey number 23 and they'll sell 100 of this NFT,

but the 23rd edition one will be worth more because it matches his jersey number. Right. This one, a little different. You don't get to pick. I guess like you could really bid and try and get in between a certain one, but again, we're assuming this holds value afterwards on

stock x this might be known already but is there public public viewability of all of the bids i assume you only see the highest bid when you're bidding but i've seen a different nft sell similarly to this and it had just the leaderboard of bids and so it had what number because i mean if they wanted to make the most money possible they probably would not show the last ones because you're just gonna the number 100 is just gonna be like a dollar bid over and over like a fight at the end probably um yeah i'll be interested to see how it is. I think lowest bid, $225? $125. $125?

Yeah. That's my guess. We'll see. We'll see. We'll keep an eye on it, obviously. I think you might be right on that. We'll check up on this next episode when we know. But let's take a quick break.

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Let's do it. Okay, so I'm sure you saw, like, just in general, going to space has been the topic of headlines everywhere. I think a lot of it has to do with SpaceX, obviously, and Elon consistently talking about colonizing Mars. Yep. What would you say? Last five years, that's really blown off?

Plenty of time. I mean, yeah. Humans need to be an interplanetary species. That's the halo sentence I keep hearing. Sure. Yeah. So that's a little more intense than what we're about to talk about. But in this past week, a big news headline, I think it was like two or three days ago,

was Richard Branson and Virgin Galactic making it to space. And I was peripherally aware that this was happening. I wasn't following it specifically. I was traveling. I was peripherally aware that this was happening. I wasn't following it specifically. I was traveling. I was playing Ultimate. But I think I was in a restaurant and I saw it on TV. It was just happening somewhere. Richard Branson went to space.

Oh, okay. Got it. Cool. Yeah. So the first thing, I'm still struggling what to call this. Whenever I think about space, I want to call it space travel. But to me, that feels like something more along the lines of like i'm traveling between places in space which this is very much not space tourism tour okay that's what well that's what we'll call it space tourism so

so i'll explain a little more the like scientific name of what they're doing but that's just not fun to say over and over again okay um all right so like you i kind of just peripherally saw this on i saw it on twitter instead um it was this really cool video of them like up in space richard branson and i believe it's five other crewmates were in space floating around looking down on earth you know like the typical in space thing but but what really really like interests me is they showed footage of it launching up into the last couple like miles into the atmosphere and it was like crazy it looked really really cool it kind of reminded me of when we first saw the spacex rockets like re-entering and landing upright that looks surreal it looked literally fake like cgi and that's what

this kind of looked like. So it intrigued me enough to dive into a rabbit hole of trying to figure out what's going on in this kind of like, we'll call it a modern day space race because Richard Branson's not the only one doing it. We all also know about Jeff Bezos and Blue Origin going up. There was actually a headline recently about them passing their last regulations and they will be launching July 20th. So like we're talking the same month two people that's pretty funny space tourism is jeff personally

going also yep jeff jeff and his brother are going it's hilarious yeah so that's um all that intrigued me i watched a bunch of videos i read a bunch of articles the best one to me was uh from a channel called everyday astronaut i'm sure you've heard of them if you are a longtime fan of the channel you've probably heard of them because we participated in something called project love day which was shooting a commercial for tesla he made a great one he made a fantastic one yeah was he a he did was he a placement finisher yes right he was i i don't know if they did for second third, third. We won. I'm still very proud of that video. I liked it a lot.

I rewatched it last night. But if I'm being honest, I kind of think his should have won. His was the favorite one that we didn't make, for sure. I thought his was fantastic. But he made a wonderful 30-minute video comparing Virgin Galactic and Blue Origin and everything that's going on. I will definitely link it and their Project Love Day in the show notes. You should check it out.

I'm going to try and do a much more condensed but still pretty long explanation of what's going on. And I want to see your thoughts on it. I'm excited. All I know right now is it's basically a race between these billionaires to get to space for bragging rights. It is the billionaire midlife crisis, I think Adam described it as, and I thought it was hilarious. We're past Corvettes. We are now building spaceships as your midlife crisis.

The biggest spaceship. So if we get past the point that these are just a bunch of billionaires racing to get into space, the rest of it's really interesting, I think. Okay, sure. Okay, so what kind of amazed me is how different despite launching in the same month how different both of these ways of getting into space are um and and the big thing

here that's different between spacex which is going up and bringing people to like the space station and literally going into orbit is these are suborbital rides. Yeah. Which is very, very different. These are not going high enough to actually get into orbit, hence the name. And while it's still breaking the barrier into what we consider space and getting into space, it is a very short ride into space. Yeah, I think this is where I'm like, you know, it's probably semantics,

but like calling it going to space is maybe a bit generous. Like obviously planes are going up to, let's call it 30,000 feet. That's what, six miles up, something like that. But then you've got, you know, other much more higher flying aircraft, military planes, other things like that flying much, much higher in the atmosphere, but they're not in orbit in space. Like when I think of in space, I think of like the space station orbiting the Earth 250 miles from Earth. That's in space. So I give them that.

So there's sort of a couple like, you know, lines that have been drawn where you pass this line. What is it? 50 something miles. So there's something called the Cameron line, which is like widely known as the start of space. And that's 60 miles above the Earth's surface. And so then, but you're still not orbiting the Earth.

You can do a temporary free fall and have that weightless feeling, but you're not orbiting the Earth at that height. So they're just getting past that line just for bragging rights? Is that what's happening? Sort of. That's one of the key differences between the two, and I'll explain it. But let's see. So that got me a little off track but i will get on track here we're what we're gonna do is i'm just gonna kind of describe

both both of the ships to you so where do we start then uh i'm gonna start with virgin atlantic they did it first uh also one little note i thought was funny they weren't supposed to launch until aug or richard branson wasn't supposed to go until august i think they were still doing test flights and he decided to just go a little earlier. I wonder why. Yeah, I wonder why. Jeff Bezos right around the corner. He claims not for that, but, like, come on.

Also, just admit it. I think that'd be hilarious. Yeah, just say it. I wanted to be Jeff. I wanted to be Jeff. And I did. Eat it, Jeff. Yes.

Just say it. Okay. All right, so the Virgin Galactic spaceship, it is called the Spaceship 2 Unity. And I still have a little confusion here because it's actually two separate vehicles in how they launch. So I believe the Unity is the name of the vessel that the pilots and the people are in. And one thing between these two, what's very different between them is that these are like for non-trained, like this is

for commercialized space travel tourism whatever you want to call it whereas you know nasa and spacex is much more like those people are trained to do stuff you have to be yeah so these pedestrians can be in exactly these are being made for the commercialized space tourism. So anyone can get a seat. And the plane for Virgin Galactic is, imagine almost two medium-sized planes and they're connected at the inside wing. It almost looks like if you had a catamaran boat. I think that's what I saw on the news. As a wing or as a plane.

Yeah, this crazy looking like plane, but it was like three planes connected. It was a very strange sight, but yeah. Exactly. And then the one that people and the pilots are in is actually like underneath it in the middle. Okay. So it then takes off.

It flies to a certain altitude, which I still think was two or three times the altitude of what a regular plane flies at. So still very high. I think it is actually high enough to where you still see the dark edges around the Earth. So that's pretty impressive. And then this is what got me interested in all of this.

There's a video of the bottom craft. It detaches from the plane as it is flying, falls, rocket the thrusters, the boosters, whatever you wanna call it, I'm sure there's an official name that I'm doing wrong, take off and it just launches past the initial docking plane, I guess you would call it. And then goes Mach 3, I believe, three times the speed of sound,

straight up into the air and into space. And it looks like straight out of a James Bond movie. It looks like it was some sci-fi thing. It was another one of those, like the SpaceX rockets landing that no part of me believed it was real at first. And then essentially what that accomplishes is after it detaches, launches into space, it gets you just high enough. I believe it's 55 miles above the Earth's surface,

so not quite the Cameron line. All right, let me watch this so what am i describe it also for audio listeners so i'm seeing the virgin galactic plane go up it does really look like two planes attached to each other which is pretty funny oh there goes your speed 600 miles an hour 2 000 miles an hour all right this thing is popped out of the bottom of the plane and is now rocketing to 30 000 feet that doesn't seem i don't think that is the okay now there's sub orbital falling yeah that part is cool i like that you still can feel this you can can feel zero G, which is obviously super cool. But also the fact that you're so far out of the normal atmosphere

that you can see the curvature of the Earth and you can see the space around the Earth. You're definitely high enough that you're seeing the space around Earth. So that's what I think is like the big difference here kind of between what you're talking about. Like there's no other airplane that's getting that high and what it actually does is it launches itself straight up and then if the wings it almost looks like a paper airplane with the wings it has these like very flat wings that go all the way to the

back and those turn and then use air compression to actually flip it kind of upside down so then you're looking back at earth because it has windows above the seats that's smart and then for here's the kicker it's only about three to four minutes that you're in space you unbuckle yourself you experience weightlessness for a couple minutes they have these really cool windows that have like handles on them so you can you know grab yourself because you're floating around once you're unbuckled uh grab yourself look out the window check out earth um for four minutes buckle back in and then because it looks like kind of a small private plane then you come back down and you just kind of coast like a regular plane and land totally normally on a uh an airstrip honestly it sounds pretty fun it does sound pretty fun so what

is so now the jeff or the jeff blue or is this blue origin version how is that different very different so the ship is the blue origin new shepherd is the name of the ship and it is much more similar to what we expect as like a regular like nasa rocket a rocket a rocket it is yeah and i i always get kind of confused about the rocket engine i believe is the large standing booster that sends the thing into space and generally comes back down to earth um what's cool about this is essentially the passenger capsule is on top of the rocket so imagine a rocket with maybe a little more of a circular top because that's where we're putting the passengers again this is six people that can fit in here okay the difference here is that it's fully autonomous so in the other one you need two

pilots interesting this is fully autonomous anyone in there doesn't need any training on how to land this capsule okay so first i i think that sounds kind of freaky it sounds terrifying because you're like what if something goes wrong who's gonna save us but okay there are a lot of really cool safety measures that i don't remember everything about them so i would check out the video if you get a chance yeah but um it's basically just this circular table or not even a table a circular like ring of seats looking at what is actually the largest windows to ever go to space i think that's pretty cool which makes total sense in like a tourism consumer fashion rocket launches up straight into the air.

When it gets to its peak, the capsule detaches, throws you up around 62 miles in the air. So this is over the official Cameron line, which is definitely a bragging right, although. Because the other one, Richard Branson's, did not cross the line. It didn't cross the Cameron line. Technically. But from everything I've read,

most scientists agree that there's almost no concernable difference between the two when you're at that point. I'm sure the difference between 55 miles and 75 miles above Earth is... When you're starting to lose scale. Exactly. It's very far, both of them.

But okay, yeah. So that does bragging rights to Blue Origin. You're making it over the Cameron line exactly. Again, though, three to four minutes, you get up there. You can unbuckle. You can float around. And then what happens here is you start floating. You descend.

You descend. Three parachutes come out. You float back down into the desert of Texas. And then a bunch of air compressors shoot out at the bottom to make it like a really smooth landing, which I thought was actually really neat because these thrusters do so like exert so much power to even you out actually when when you look at it it looks like it's impacting really hard because dust is flying everywhere but that's from the booster yeah um so much that if two of the

parachutes were to fail it would still get you down without life-threatening injuries which probably still means it's pretty impactful, but you're not dying. But yeah, that's a good backup. But yeah, another just capsule you float up in the air, three to four minutes space. Again, pretty cool, I guess. So here's a question. Here's my question for you.

Is three to four minutes worth it? Well, I guess we need the dollar value. Do you want the dollar value? Oh, we have that? Virgin Galactic sold 600 reservations already. Okay, so how much is that? It's very expensive for the first ones. Take a guess.

Okay, well, I'm going to go with 10 grand a seat. $250,000. $250,000. grand a seat 250 000 250 000 so i guess the novelty of these early tickets is you're one of the first yes so less than a thousand people have been up that high just that's that's the novelty ever that's what you're paying for yeah that's exactly what you're paying for okay actually if you want to even go a crazier price which is totally not comparable blue origin doesn't have a price yet i don't believe they've taken reservations they've done a ton of test flights and this one coming up will be the first time anyone's in it it's jeff bezos his brother i don't know the other but apparently one other seat was sold for them and it was like 26 million

dollars but this is you're going up with jeff bezos and like all that so i'm sure clearly another oh man billionaire probably dollars per minute that's hilarious oh that's the other thing though is the total flight trip of blue origin is probably is like 10 to 15 minutes because you're just launching up and you're coming straight back down yeah the total round trip for virgin galactic is closer to two hours because it takes you so long to ascend to that initial launch point. And then you're flying the whole way back down. So in some cases, it's maybe like, all right, I have more time to experience everything. Honestly, when I'm hearing this described, I think the Virgin Galactic one sounds better as an experience.

I'm not going to do this anytime soon. Most of us probably won't. But if I'm imagining like, all right, I have this crazy amount of money I wanna blow on the novelty of going to space. Both of them are gonna give you three to four minutes of in space, weightlessness, space tourism, that whole experience.

But I think the flying up in an airplane part will probably be more comfortable than a rocket launch yeah i actually they didn't talk much about about like the initial thrusting and everything like that like i i feel like i've seen enough rocket launches to know that's that's a very different experience than flying up on a plane flying i've flown in a plane it's plane. Maybe that's a little more comfortable. I think it is, yeah. But then, yeah, just having that crazy three to four minutes and then it's over. And then you just have to remember that forever.

Maybe they'll record it like a Disney World ride or whatever. Oh, my God. And then what, charge you $10,000 for the MP4 file? Yeah, you spent 20 mil on the ticket, so you got another 500 grand for this video of you. Oh, my God. Yeah, wow. Well, so in the future someday, like really far in the future,

this will be just another theme park attraction, right? That's the goal is you want to be able to do space tourism commercially, viably, repeatedly, often for everyone. tourism commercially, viably, repeatedly, often for everyone. Like let's make space a curiosity that anyone can check out. Go to the zoo one day, go to Disney World one day, go to space one day. I don't know how far in the future that is, but that's something I'm optimistic about and like hoping I get to do someday. And I hope like, you know, everyone gets everyone, as many people as possible get to try out. But, uh, yeah, it's as, you know, as long as today, uh, uh, you know, a plane ticket costs

a hundred, 200 bucks, then I feel like that's about as low as you can go for a flight to space. Yeah. I don't think we'll see a hundred, $200 in space in our lifetime. But, um, I think you, you did mention something that I didn't talk about that I think is really important is you said, you know, doing this consistently, all of this is reusable like the the planes are obviously the Blue Origin since it's a rocket engine it's similar to SpaceX and where it can it lands itself again and they've done like 12 trial runs and it's worked every time it actually has enough thrust to get to the point of hovering before it lands. So it actually lands softer than Falcon.

The difference is Falcon is massively bigger than Blue Origin. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Falcon's not landing with the people still on it, is it? No. Yeah. But still, much, much different scale size. But that's pretty awesome.

And then for those of you you this is like my main thing when i think why clearly space is an interesting idea but when i originally thought why it's like that is a lot of fuel is it worth just like throw like blowing emissions out to just like go into space for four minutes i have good news and bad news Virgin Galactic is just using like pretty standard fuel and has a lot of emissions Blue Origin is using liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen so it is almost no emission

I believe so at least it is the much greener option out of the two if that changes your mind at all and that's the largest windows in space that part is really cool I think it's for me maybe I've seen too many failed rocket landings to where like if I could have a horizontal takeoff and a horizontal landing, I'd prefer that. Like you said, 12 tests.

And like I hear you. Oh, no, no. Trust me. I'm not getting in either of these anytime soon. But you tell me like, all right, they've done this rocket. It's launched 12 times in a row and it's been great all 12 times. So want to get on the 13th one no not really no yeah i've seen a lot more successful flights like take off horizontally if i'm being honest if i could pick anyone right now it would just be if i could somehow get on the plane that launches the virgin galactic and just

getting to that you know about three times higher than a regular commercial plane seeing the dark edges and i think i would be pretty down with that. We were talking about the Concorde a little while ago about how that plane was supersonic and had to go higher than normal in the atmosphere because it's thinner up there. It would go way higher and go across the Atlantic in like two hours and land and that was crazy.

I want to see the curvature of the Earth and a little bit of that edge of the atmosphere type space. It would be awesome. I have one more question for you okay we we obviously see spacex talking about going to mars and everything like that and elon seems very interested in space in fact i think he may have already booked a flight on one of these um i think the virgin galactic but um do you think spacex ever looks at this route of like consumer space tourism or are they just going to be full-blown on the like we're trying to colonize Mars we're trying to get into space

do you think SpaceX is going to go this tourism route or more focused on their mission of you know intergalactic it's a good question I mean planetary yeah from what i can tell that is the mission okay is um i kind of think so too yeah making reusable rockets where you when you inevitably need to take a flight to mars and obviously you you get the boosters to get you out of the atmosphere and out of orbit and then you bring the boosters back down like you need to get a lot of stuff to mars a lot of people people, a lot of cargo. And so to be able to reuse those rockets over and over again, like that's the thing that they're trying to solve. And I think maybe a consequence of the technology getting good enough is you are able to also bring people to space and make these cool, you know, suborbital flights for

space tourism. And that's pretty neat, and that satisfies a lot of the curiosity that we're interested in. I'm sure Neil deGrasse Tyson will be pumped about it. But I still think, yeah, the primary mission of improving rockets and making them reusable is to eventually be able to move things to other planets and to other places and then humans are interplanetary and then everybody's happy. But again, this is all like a will any of this happen in our lifetime type thing? Like I don't know.

I want to be optimistic. Maybe when your grandkids are keeping Waveform going in like 200 years, they can talk about it. That would be cool. We'll see. That would be cool. Yeah, so i think last thing on there is if you really want like a way more in-depth video on this uh everyday

astronaut great channel has a lot of cool stuff on this and obviously we'll probably be making a ton of content because blue origin launches in like two weeks yeah yeah so i'm excited i'm really excited to then see that launch as well and see some video from up there and kind of compare the two. Because it's really awesome that we live in an age with such great cameras that we kind of get to experience it with them. 100%. All right, let's take a quick break.

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Drive your ambition. Mitsubishi Motors. All right, welcome back to our new segment, introducing the Hot Takes segment. We're your hosts. That's all, that's as far I got with the intro. Wonderful. We'll workshop that i think

it'll be fun basically uh the tech world is full of hot takes and we always have random you know things that we're thinking but we don't really say but also maybe other people are thinking them too and we'll just put them out there and see how it goes um my i'm starting off kind of spicy with my hot take and we've got i don't you you don't have any i couldn't think of one i might have to borrow some i think adam's got a couple over there though so we'll let him toss a few out we'll have him we'll borrow some of those but let's just uh let's just dive right in because i want to see how far this gets before i end up either canceling myself or we'll see we'll see all right number one i'm going to start with uh we were talking earlier about uh celsius and fahrenheit yeah so this is my this isn't even my hot take this is something i saw on twitter and

thought about and i was like yeah you know what i agree with that that yes the u.s should move to metric but okay fahrenheit is better for weather, and that will be the reason we don't. Oh, okay. There's a lot to unpack there because that didn't start off. That was like cold. I think we can all agree we should probably go to metric, right? Right, right, right.

The imperial system is insane. We have feet. We have all these weird degrees Fahrenheit versus ounces and all these crazy things. We don't really – gallons versus liters have all these weird, like, degrees Fahrenheit versus, like, ounces and all these crazy things. We don't really, gallons versus liters, all these terrible units. And we're not even that consistent with it. Like, soda is sold in liters, but milk is sold in gallons. Gallons, gasoline's in gallons versus we've got fluid ounces.

Like, I'm asking Google for conversions all the time. I would love to switch to metric. Wait, wait, can I throw out just a little gripe I have that's really relevant right now? Google Home, when I ask you to convert something, just tell me the freaking conversion. I don't need to know how to convert it. I bought you for a reason. Please just say, yes, that is like one cup is equal to X amount of grams. You have to ask it the perfect way or it'll go. I don't want to. That's its job. That's not my job. It's not paying me money to learn how to do it. Okay.

Anyway. Yeah. So my thing is Fahrenheit and just the scale that we use for weather. This isn't even for anything else. Like water boils at 32 or freezes at 32 but boils at 212 in Fahrenheit. Like it's a weird system. It's dumb. But for weather,

humans are very sensitive to temperature change, and there is a real difference between 68 and 72. And, you know, obviously decimals aren't the hardest thing in the world to get, but that was the one argument I saw on Twitter, which is, like, if we could just use Fahrenheit just for weather, just to go from, like, our, you know,

negative 10 or whatever to 105 degrees, that granularity, it's right there in the system itself. You don't have to use decimals nearly as often. That's the reason I think Fahrenheit so stubbornly stays. And if you keep Fahrenheit for degrees, then I guess you got to keep Fahrenheit for all temperature measurement instead of just weather. You also now measure like water boiling and all the other things. Now we're just stuck on Imperial forever. So I think because of how great Fahrenheit is for weather, we're stuck. That's my hot take.

I kind of understand your point in that, like, if there's a difference between the, like, generally four degrees in, like, you know, 68 to 72, I don't know if I really buy that that much. I don't think there's much. I will agree if I look on the weather and it says 70, if it says a number in the 70s versus a number in the 60s like that to me i'm happier i don't know if i go outside and i generally feel the difference all that much i still think it gets confusing though where it's like snow at 32 degrees not at zero yeah i mean we're clearly not hitting boiling yet i mean we're well on our way to getting boiling outside but um i don't know i sound like such a fahrenheit stand but listen temperature like think about like grades you get in school like the difference

between a b between a b and a b plus no oh really it's like 84 is a b such a different 85 is a b then 86 is a b plus like why did we go from 85 to 86 being b to b plus you'd rather have a b plus than a b and that difference is one and that's like a zero to 100 scale our temperature that we live in here is generally a zero to 100 scale sometimes it's a little below zero or a little above 100 but generally that's where we're living like the granularity in that perfect set of numbers just from zero to 100 is what makes fahrenheit great everywhere else it sucks yeah everywhere else it sucks i'll give you this if it were a if we were in a bubble and the only thing that were changed if i could only pick fahrenheit versus celsius and nothing

else like really mattered like sure i'll pick fahrenheit over celsius because it's a tad bit nicer but if we're just talking there like- There it is, he agreed. If we're just talking about the whole thing, like I would rather change everything to metric and then get Celsius and do away with Fahrenheit and be like, oh no, it's 60 or it's 20.5 degrees Celsius. Yeah, I just remember like changing the degrees in a car would be like 19.5, 20, 20.5.

I'm like, that's interesting. It's going by 0.5s. Whereas like I i'm just going by degrees the car argument might be a better argument if you want to make that i think because like if i'm in a lot of cars now the temperature gauge it's not just you know red and blue it's like you're doing an actual number and when i'm picking a number i'm picking sometimes i am just going down two degrees fahrenheit yeah so like that that's probably i think that's the better way of like really feeling it. Air conditioning temperatures, there is a very small range of air conditioning temperatures. You might go from 65 Fahrenheit to 75 Fahrenheit, at least in this region in the U.S.

Like 65 to 75 Fahrenheit is 10 Fahrenheit degrees, which is probably about five Celsius degrees. So now you're doing. Anyway, this is all nitpicking. I would much rather have everything go metric and accept the one downside of Celsius being less accurate

in the middle. I'm tired of feeling like an idiot going to other countries and just not understanding anything at all. I mean, that's mostly on me, but if I can blame it on the US,

I would prefer to blame it on someone else. Oh, school systems. All right, Adam. Yeah, hit us. It's hot take time. Are you ready to potentially have both of us go at you? Oh, I'm ready. Bring it on.

Okay, let's do it. My hot take is foldable phones are not the future. Foldable phones. And do you have a reason or it's just not feeling it? I think that they're going to be very niche in the way that like the Note series for the Galaxies were niche. But most people are not going to want to deal with one extra step before getting to their phone. I think by the time that foldable phones are ready, quote unquote, there's going to be a

different form factor that we're all using. You know, it's funny. I actually don't think that's a hot take. I think that's funny? I actually don't think that's a hot take. Damn. I think that's probably what most people also think. They see a folding phone. I agree. I think it's funny because I consider myself pretty optimistic where I think if the tech gets good enough

that folding in half is just one more feature. I've said this before. Then maybe people will just get the folding version and it's just a no-brainer. But that is a lot more feature. I've said this before. Then maybe people will just get the folding version and it's just a no-brainer. But that is a lot of assumptions. That's a lot of tech that has to improve to make that possible. I would go, I don't think folding phones

in the next 10 years are going to be anything more than super niche. I think if they do get to a point, so your main argument, I feel like, is the extra step. We're seeing the outside screens where like in general they should be just as capable as your regular candy bar phone right now.

The problem is they're super thick and they're just not. Like we're not at that point. Especially the first fold. That was terrible. That was the first one, yeah. So we're in like generations two and three right now. So if we're going the next 10 years, imagine it gets better the next one

and the next one and the next one and the next one and the cameras get better and the screens get better and the batteries get thinner and everything about every single component that makes them too thick right now or a little too unwieldy right now, all the hinges get smoother, everything gets better for eight more generations in a row.

Will that still not be good enough don't know i'm optimistic i think it has to reach that point and has to reach that point with a price point that's competitive price competing with everything else yeah yeah price is a feature um yeah i don't know yeah i don't think so i don't think even if everything got perfect i still don't think do you have a guess at what the different form factor might be because i i love this question we've had this conversation before and i really enjoy people thinking about different form factors of phones so this is gonna be very boring but i think we have the perfect form factor already you're just a slab of glass and I think about that a lot, yeah. When you see a future,

a movie that takes place in the future, they inevitably just have like a candy bar form factor thing with like a projection at best. I was gonna say, is the new form factor essentially like a projection or even like a,

almost like a non-physical thing? Like let's imagine Google Glass in the future where now you are seeing your phone in a viewpoint that only you can see and like, you know, hand movements or something is what's actually doing the typing. Well, that's more than 10 years.

Because like who cares about a screen that can fold to be six inches when you can have a screen that's 60 inches that only you can see? I think there's going to be a lot of that, but I think that the main hub of all of the computing that's going on is still going to be the phone in your pocket.

Yeah, I agree. I think I consider myself short-sighted when I think that, but I can't help but think that. I would still call it a hot take, though. I think there's a lot of people that would disagree with that. We'll see about those comments. i'm interested i'm actually really interested

if people on our discord in the podcast uh discussion section i would really like to hear your opinions because i kind of do i don't know i think they're going to be a thing eventually i just think we're way farther than we think it might not be a hot take but it's a slow burn slow burn yeah all right hit us with another one hit us with another one all right another one garmin makes the best smart watches that is a hot take i i would say now i've never i've never used the garmin smart watch but when you say the best smart watch my brain immediately goes to Apple Watch. So now you have to kind of probably qualify. Best smartwatch overall or best smartwatch that isn't for the iPhone? I would argue best smartwatch overall because even with Apple devices, the only thing that people genuinely care about

is notifications and health features. And Garmin is just as good, if not better, with health features. And the higher end models, which are super expensive, also handle notifications very well. They just don't plug into iPhone the way that the Apple Watch does for obvious reasons. I think that's maybe the reason the Apple Watch has such a strong foothold. And I think the reason the Apple Watch is the most popular watch in the world isn't because it's like, you know, watch is the most popular watch in the world isn't because it's like you know technically better than the garments but it does plug into the iphone user in a way that none others can and it's almost unfair that that's what makes it the best smart watch but that's a big part of why it's the best smart popular or best both it is the most popular because it is the best option

and i also think aesthetics might be a little of an underrated thing since it is technically a fashion accessory. A lot of people... You think it goes in favor of Apple Watch? In favor of the Apple Watch. I would argue the exact opposite. I would argue the majority of people who enjoy, and I'm sure Adam can sis, he's a watch person.

That's true. If you are a watch person, the Apple Watch is not something you're excited to get. But how many humans on Earth are a watch person? There's seven of us. There are a lot. I mean, you can be a watch person without being a Rolex expensive watch person.

But watches just in general, in terms of the fashion accessory that they are and like if we're talking about wearing a watch with like a suit or something like that or as a like kind of dress up fashion, Apple Watch doesn't quite hit that where regular watches do and Garmin watches are closer to that.

Now I also have a Garmin watch that I would not consider like really looking that much like a normal watch because it's a very standard version of it. But I do love it for the health features that it has. I only really wear it when I'm working out. It's fine. I think the one Adam has is much, much nicer than I have. And it looked like it just looks like a watch.

That's what watches look like these days. I think you might. I think I could agree with that. The Garmin watch is a better smartwatch for some people but I think the Apple watch is actually, for a lot of iPhone users, the best available

overall smartwatch. For iPhone users. Well, so here's the thing. Which is a lot of people. And I also think in terms of most popular, if you're looking at a Garmin watch to buy and you're not 100% sold on it already, you're looking at other companies that make things that are similar. If you are looking at a Garmin watch to buy and you're not 100 sold on it already you're looking at other companies that make things that are similar if you are in the market for just a smart watch and you only have one option Apple watch doesn't have competitors in my eyes because the people who an Apple watch works for it doesn't have a competition really yeah does that mean it's

the best you could probably argue that yeah yeah well I mean that's the thing it's the best? You could probably argue that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's why there's a... I mean, that's the thing. It's because iPhones are very popular. I don't know. I gotta try one of these Garmin ones. That is a hot take. I do. I'll end it with this.

I need to try a Garmin smartwatch because I have not tried one yet and I'm seeing a lot of good looking ones. Because I do believe also there are a lot of ones that also have the secondary monitors that you can hook up if you're trying to get like really intense uh like body measurements and stuff like that most of what i use most of what i use watch

for is the health features meaning fitness tracking and that sort of thing uh time and notifications and then sort of like a once in a while i'll be like what's the weather on my watch or i'll ask siri something but that's very rare. So yeah, I'm going to try one of those out. Garmin definitely has everything you were just talking about. Sweet. All right. Maybe one more. One more.

One more hot take. Do you have any more? I have another. Hot take Adam. What's the spiciest available remaining take? Spicy Adam. The spiciest one I have is Clubhouse will be back. It is not done.

Interesting. I think it is. With a new like feature is that how it comes back really i just think everyone kind of wrote it off already as a social media thing that flopped and failed it was just a pandemic kind of thing i think they're not done yet i think they're going to come back here's one thing i actually saw someone i used to work with who is not in the tech world at all posting that they were hosting a clubhouse just to like talk about something they were interested in. And I was like,

this is not where I was expecting to see clubhouse talk. It pops up once in a while. Yeah. Yeah. I thought that was really interesting. It's definitely broken into the mainstream, which is sometimes for us tech people is hard to like really remember that there's not nerds out there.

Well, this is what happened. The way I observed Clubhouse was it was iOS only, and I pay attention to numbers, so I was looking at how many people that I follow were actually using it in hosting rooms. When it was iPhone only, I think I had about 30,000 followers on Clubhouse. Oh, wow. And I slowly stopped using it. I kept

getting notifications from it. So I was like, you know, I could see when it was being used by people I followed. And then one day I just checked back after Android joined and I think I have 300,000 followers on Clubhouse. So when you say broke into the mainstream, I just think it became much more widely available. And whenever that happens, it's, it drops a little bit of the allure of like how cool it was and that's like a very vain thing like it doesn't actually matter yeah but now it's like it is much more used now than it ever has been but not in the in the same hype type of way where like elon was dropping into random clubhouses when's the last time that happened um the the most popular show that I follow on clubhouse the good times uh I guess it's sort of a podcast basically uh you know had Mr. Beast on and had you know Addison Rae on and had all

kinds of these really interesting people on and I haven't really heard about any of these lately and maybe it's because I'm not paying enough attention but i'd be curious what clubhouse coming back looks like i guess what i'm saying when i when i said mainstream it's like all of what you said you know mr beast and addison ray aren't tech people but they're still like in this creator community kind of thing like people who follow social platforms and like the person i saw was just someone i used to work in a restaurant with that just like is not attached to any of these and this was recent it was like last week yeah and hosting a clubhouse room and posting about it on Facebook and probably not getting a ton of people but just like even if they're just trying stuff like that I'm assuming they're getting a couple and like that does kind of feel like it's hitting a small social platform the early stages of it. It's a good anecdotal indicator.

I just don't know how well it is. It's about as anecdotal as you can get. I don't know. I remember Zuckerberg did a room and like, I don't know. That sort of thing, it's been a while since I've seen that kind of stuff. So I wonder what would it take for Clubhouse to come back is my real question. Is it going to be some big social push? Is it going to be some big event that happens on Clubhouse?

Do you have a specific reasoning as to why you think it's going to come back? My reasoning is very optimistic. I'm kind of looking at it the same way that the same thing that happened to Snapchat, where Snapchat came out with stories, Instagram copied them. Everything has stories now, but Snapchat still carved out a niche where it's killing it. And I think Clubhouse is going to be the same thing, but for audio, where they can keep innovating and being creative with audio features. They're going to have that niche audio audience. I think that's possible because if you consider Snapchat's current state a success, I think Clubhouse can do that snapchat hit its success by pivoting essentially

though because like their big thing now is ar and like bitmoji essentially they have a bunch of shows and they still do stuff they are not good i'm just saying they do them a show on snapchat like that might be one of the dumber things i've heard of but that's because we're not in the target audience they are massive very true massive um so very true. Massive. So, yeah. Yeah, I guess I would, I can see that being something similar, but then they would have to create some sort of specialized something for audio

that changes the industry, and they might. I mean, Clubhouse changed the industry already, and it has a million competitors. It birthed all of its competitors. It birthed them, its competitors yeah yeah interesting i like that one yeah we'll see we'll check back in in a year and see how wrong i was we'll see i want to leave i still haven't used clubhouse oh well i'm gonna bring it back we're bringing it

you can now we're not bringing it back i'm gonna leave this question with people at the end because i think i feel like you can tweet at us or let us know in the comment section is clubhouse a feature or a social network is it an entire thing i think we've we've sort of dabbled in this but let us know what you actually think the answer is in the comments because at this point it's clear that lots of other companies believe it's a feature and that they can just build into their app and then there it is they've done it they've done what they had to do but clubhouse by itself could have've done it. They've done what they had to do. But Clubhouse by itself could have something to it. So let us know what you think in the comments. I can just say

if I were Clubhouse I would have sold out like immediately and just made a ton of money and then never worked again. Sold to LinkedIn. I would have sold to LinkedIn. Actually Clubhouse would work really good on LinkedIn. That sounds like the perfect place for a bunch of hustle gurus to just like spew nonsense for a while. There it there's my hot take there's our first round of hot takes

i thought that was a fun segment i'm really i'm kind of bummed i didn't think of one but i will definitely think of one for next time we have this segment we'll bring it back yeah bring it back well any of the case we'll be back next week we've got a bunch more exciting stuff coming up an exciting video i'm hoping to drop pretty soon and maybe an exciting car will be in our hands soon so we'll see about all that by next week but in either case make sure you're subscribed if you haven't already been on youtube and anywhere you listen and we'll catch you guys on waveform in the next one waveform is produced by adam melina we were brought to you in part with studio 71 and our intro outroform was produced by Adam Molina. We were brought to you in part with Studio 71

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