Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Sustainable Smartphones, A Retractable Camera, and Pixel watch rumors!

Episode Date: December 10, 2021

This week Marques and Andrew talk a little bit about everything. First, they go over a new electric flying vehicle from Sweden before diving into some gadget news. They talk about everything from playing games on a Tesla to the new Oppo phone tease before going over the Fairphone video that just dropped and Spotify Wrapped stats. There's a lot to discuss! Links: NowThis tweet: https://bit.ly/3yaUNv4 Philip DeFranco video: https://bit.ly/3IMMxq2 Triller lawsuit: https://bit.ly/31Kb3XI Oppo phone: https://bit.ly/3INSWRV Pixel watch story: https://bit.ly/3yaW4SS Original Pixel watch scoop: https://bit.ly/3EIOAZI Twitters: https://twitter.com/wvfrm https://twitter.com/mkbhd https://twitter.com/andymanganelli https://twitter.com/AdamLukas17 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wvfrmpodcast/ Shop the merch: shop.mkbhd.com Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And I'm Andrew. Today we kind of have like a i'm calling it like a tech christmas stocking we've got some stocking stuffers there's no like huge news out right now it's we always see this at the end of q4 pretty much like everyone who's wanted a big item out probably has it already because they need it out for christmas everything had to be on the shelf by two weeks ago exactly or like pre-ordered or anything so like we just have kind of a bunch of different fun little stories i've got a new smartphone camera i've got a youtube lawsuit i've got uh we and we're gonna wrap it up with our spotify wrapped also i like your sweater thanks you too are you if are you listening to the audio version or watching the youtube version

because if you're watching the youtube version, you should check out how similar our ugly Christmas sweaters are right now, just in color. We said we were going to go Christmas sweaters for this episode. When I put it on, because I'd seen yours already. The Microsoft one. It's so good. Microsoft kills it with these ugly sweaters

every year. Give us a little stand-up. Give us a drip show. Fashion drip. I don't know what the kids call it. It's just Minesweeper. every year. Give us a little stand-up. Give us a drip show, fashion drip. I don't know what the kids call it. It's just Minesweeper. It's a Christmas tree-shaped Minesweeper. Yeah, it's awesome. And they had the old Windows 95 one a few years ago. That was awesome.

But you posted this, and there's something wrong, right? Yeah, I don't know. I didn't know how to play Minesweeper until high school, and then I realized it was kind of a fun game. But also, the numbers are supposed to indicate how many bombs are touching it. Yep. And there's a one right at the top of the tree with two bombs touching it.

What? This was made by Microsoft. How did they get that wrong? So I don't know. It's a little Easter egg maybe. I have two questions going off that. One is, is Minesweeper still on Windows? Actually, I'm on a Windows laptop right now. Yeah, you can check.

It's not on Mac. No, it looks like it's... You can't game on Mac. No, it searches for it. Oh, man, yeah. No more default Minesweeper. That's kind of sad. Solitaire is the only thing

that matters. I mean, yeah. I was a big Solitaire fan. My grandpa taught me how to play that. I also didn't learn Minesweeper for a long time. But, like,

do people know what Minesweeper is? Is that kind of not... Like, the. But like do people know what Minesweeper is? Is that kind of not like the younger generation probably doesn't know what it is. I think pinball is where most of us had the most fun in Windows 95. That was a good one. That was like XP

I think. I had it on XP right exactly. That was a good one. That was really good. I feel like these just don't come with like standard games anymore. I might be totally wrong on that but I'm looking. No it's it's got like Candy Crush and stuff like that. Kids these days they don't come with like standard games anymore i might be totally wrong on that but i'm looking no it's it's got like candy crushing stuff like that kids these days they don't know there is okay there's solitaire okay we're good we're good windows good job uh mine is a r2d2 very nice covered in christmas lights with a little x-wing up here but yeah the blues are

like almost exactly the same. Oh, wow. Very, very similar. So we can say we matched. Yeah, we did. Good job. The thumbnail is going to be pretty sick for this episode.

Nice. All right, cool. Right off the top, new EV. And you looked at the document and were like, there's a new EV? And it's a little different.

It's still an electric vehicle. This isn't a car. I haven't clicked it yet so i click the link okay i'll click the link right now let's see what shows up twitter link yeah and this is a tweet from now this a swedish startup has designed the jetson one a personal electric vehicle that's sold to anyone that can own it and fly it oh it looks like one of those personal drones that you can drive around in yeah it's it's wild it's electric it's electric i mean like i think you described i was i was watching this and trying to figure out how to describe it because we've seen a lot of i easily just picture

dji's fpv drone but take the front of it and blow it up to human size and put a person inside so it's like a quadcopter inside with a person inside of an fpv drone yeah it's like a it's a cage pretty much yeah rather than like where the battery goes the person goes there in a little cage it has it actually has eight propellers but it's like two on each arm so it looks like four um it has eight motors and yeah it's basically just like a drone it looks it looks totally wild it looks super dangerous yeah that's what i'm saying so in this video they're piloting around like an empty desert sort of like grazing the sandy floor of a completely barren environment that is the only place i would feel comfortable with anyone ever having access to one of these

yeah oh yeah not even like multiple people flying them but just myself flying I would feel comfortable with anyone ever having access to one of these. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Not even like multiple people flying them, but just myself flying. It would feel so it cuts to a shot of inside the cockpit, like a first person view. And this guy's like knees are touching. His arms are like his elbows must be like against his body. And it's got a little cell phone on the side that's showing is like mile per hour. Wow. It looks kind of it looks so cool

but this looks like it would be really fun in like a vr experience and maybe not with my body scraping against the floor when i crash it yeah i'm sure it's you know the fact that is it is up for sale probably means a couple of things and i'm hoping i'm right about this but i'm hoping it has passed some sort of crash safety it has looks like it has a roll cage. You can hit the ground and stuff like that. But I already just don't trust people to drive well enough around me that if you give people Z-axis freedom,

they're going to be doing wild stuff. So I'm glad they're in a barren desert and not around buildings like Spider-Man sweeping in between. There was one quick shot where he's kind of, it looks like an abandoned building. He's kind of near. But one thing I did see on the website

is it has like some emergency function where I think if your hands come loose or if you hit the emergency button, there's like no bottom to this. There's no wheels till that looks like it takes off of or really like it's pretty, your butt basically hits the ground when you get to the bottom.

But apparently it has an emergency hover mode. So like if you do that, you hover rather than skid across the ground when you get to the bottom but apparently it has an emergency hover mode so like if you do that you hover rather than skid across the ground as as someone who's crashed an fpv drone i will never fly one of these because i obviously don't trust myself wait where's obstacle avoidance yeah this is like when you put the fpv drone goggles on you feel like you're already doing this like you're flying around at 75 miles an hour very close to objects you wouldn't ordinarily get close to, but the

stakes are so low because if you crash, it's just the drone that crashes and you take the goggles off and you're fine. So this is a little more adrenaline. He has a helmet on, so that gives you an idea. He's totally safe. He's got a helmet on. I've never seen an electric version of this, so that's cool. No, yeah. We've seen other stuff like this in the past it's not super

new but it's usually these like huge huge like you know it feels like four people can fit in it but it's really just because there's so much room for the engines and everything like that and it just seems like this even more somehow dangerous car that flies yeah it's a personal helicopter yeah basically this feels like a drone though which i just thought was really really cool like these these vehicles are destined to be recreational only forever right that's a good question that i'm don't know if i can answer that it's come up a couple of times so we were shooting retro tech talking about futurism and why we don't have flying cars yet.

And obviously talking about how the Jetsons seem to have this like super safe flying car network and a bunch of movies have flying cars in them. But then Neil deGrasse Tyson's like, yeah, you can't give everyone a helicopter or it'll be incredibly loud and things will fall out of the sky all the time. And that will be very dangerous. And so anytime we see some of these, because I've seen videos like this before of like jump onto a drone and like fly around. Seems fun, but seems like that has to be in a controlled like area in an environment where you know all the variables and there's restricted airspace and like people can do their thing and then take the helmet off and walk home. Yeah, I guess ultimately I'm sure I'm sure these people would like you to think that it would get to that or they would like to think that it will get to that point. But just like I didn't even think what you said, like things flying out of the air. Like people flick cigarette butts out of their car all the time.

Imagine just like a cigarette butt coming from above you as you're like walking on the street. But more than that though, so what Neil was saying was like when a car breaks down, you just drift over to the side of the road, right? Or worse, you're in like the middle of the highway and people can get around you. When a helicopter breaks down, that is a massive problem. If you give everyone helicopters

and you've seen the way people drive, they're going to break down all the time and there's going to be people dropping out of the sky, onto the ground. Are there people underneath? I don't know. So that's why I immediately went there. There's too many people

who can't maintenance their cars to be able to maintenance something like this and then it going horribly wrong in the air yeah falling down fun recreation though fun recreation yeah i i mean yeah i would try it eventually but i would probably fly the fpv drone for like 30 more hours before i set foot in there the training for this this should be flying an FPV drone with the same controls. Yeah. I bet the controls are pretty similar. I bet. All right.

I have another thing here. I think this is a YouTube story, so less tech-related, but, like, we're obviously a YouTube channel. We love the YouTube community. If you're kind of, like, I don't want to say an OG YouTuber, but five or six years ago, do you remember there's a big story

from Philly D, um, H3H3, the H3H3 channel, they were going through a lawsuit, um, where they were kind of fighting for fair use. It was kind of like this big moment online where like everyone kind of banded together because they reacted to a video and the person who had that video issued a copyright strike. There's a whole big lawsuit about it and the internet kind of got behind them to fund the lawsuit so we could kind of protect fair use right it was a sort of early in its time case where if they just settled and got it over with it would actually kind of set a precedent for exactly others being able to sue youtube channels to get things removed when they were perfectly fairly using things under

under fair use copyright law. That's how I interpreted it. Seems like it went well enough. It did that we successfully defended that. Exactly. So there's there's another thing. It kind of feels full circle happening right now. So I watch their podcast all the time.

I think it's super entertaining. But it's they've gotten to a point where, if you remember the Jake Paul fight a few months ago, I believe it was, the Jake Paul-Ben something, you know, the older MMA fighter. Yeah, I thought you meant Nate Robinson. No, not Nate Robinson, although I do believe that one was run by the same company.

There's a company called Triller who are the ones who are running these kind of different fights. Triller Fight Club, Trilleriller I forget exactly what it is and they all these fights are pay per view Ethan on his podcast after one of them happened about a week after it happened showed a quick clip of it did their commentary you know

like I'm sure a million other channels did and then because of that Triller is now suing them because they said that pretty much the podcast got around a million views. This is a three hour podcast and maybe like five minutes of talking about this

clip or whatever or showing the clip. Totally fair. It seems super, super obvious fair use. And they have the precedent case from before four or five years ago. And they're getting sued now because they use this they're claiming that since the podcast has a million views that all of those views would have been pay-per-view views which is like 50 bucks and

there's they were suing them for like i forget what a million times 50 million dollars that's wild wild amount of money yeah um and i think it hasn't really gotten that same it felt full circle to me because i've seen that and then philly d finally made a video on it but hasn't really gotten as much attention because i think their podcast channel is a bit smaller not as many people watch three hour videos versus remember peak h3 it was kind of like huge yeah shorter shorter videos and then it kind of like blew up on the internet. So this just feels like something that, again, is potentially attacking. It's not just attacking them.

This is another case where if Triller goes through with this and sets this precedent, then people can get sued for kind of reaction videos or using other clips and videos. And it feels like it should be a little bigger than, uh, what the YouTube community sees it as right now. It feels like a, an attack on the YouTube community.

Um, yeah. And I think I just wanted to get a little more attention out there cause it feels like fair use is kind of, uh, yeah, the, the,

the definition of fair use is always like a little bit squishy. Like it's, it has to be transformative in some way, and you can define that however you want. You have to use a certain small amount of it. On different platforms, fair use is enforced in different amounts. So on YouTube, for example, if you use like a quarter of a second of copyrighted music, immediately that can be claimed.

Even if it's only a quarter of a second in a 40- immediately that can be claimed even if it's only a quarter of a second in a 40 minute video it's used it's not transformative it's not used as commentary they'll they'll immediately flag it um but there's different versions of this like you mentioned if you're you're commentating on the fight while it's playing in the background versus just playing it for everyone to watch yeah i'm always fascinated by like when a sport event is happening and I open up Instagram and I see like part of the highlight on Instagram, but whenever I see like a pay-per-view fight, they never show the knockout or the hit.

Do you notice this? Like whenever I log on Instagram. I think everyone's just scared of it, yeah. I think there's probably a rule around it where they're like, you can show the end of the fight and you can show the replay of him landing on the ground, but you can't show the hit

that made him land on the ground because that will make people not want to watch. I think there's some rule attached. That sounds, I mean, I don't know the exact specifics of it. And like, I guess, again, like you're saying, there's all these nuances to fair use

and stuff like that. And I wonder if sports do that. There's also like there are people who just straight up stream these like live events and such and that. It's crazy. I mean, there's like those Twitch streamers that will do boxing matches where they'll green screen themselves on a controller. So it looks like they're just

playing a video game instead. I think I saw that with one of the first. Yeah, there's so many really, really bad examples of doing this. It's funny that you mentioned music as well, because I've always found it interesting. Twitch is having a huge, huge issue with that because a lot of these streamers are playing music

when they're playing games or playing music when they're just like chatting on Twitch. And it never seems to be a huge issue during it live. But then like if that's in the VOD afterwards, the whole VOD will get taken down because they're worried they could get a copyright strike. Twitch is having a huge issue with that right now, which another thing that's really cool

is there's people like T-Pain out there who are now these big Twitch streamers, and they're actively making music and letting their music be completely copyright free for Twitch streamers, like making it okay for that. I love musicians that have a good enough relationship with their label that they can pull strings like that

and make their stuff available. And shout out to T-Pain and those who are doing it right because that's awesome. Yeah, it's awesome. Yeah, no, yeah. It's always kind of murky on YouTube, but I'm rooting for the H3 crew. Yeah, I'll post a couple links.

There's just some good information out there. I didn't want to get too, too deep into it because I don't know if everybody's that into YouTube stuff here, but definitely worth a look. I also have a new smartphone, totally, totally different, no good segue here, but we saw this, like, did you see that Oppo smartphone like optical zoom yes yeah okay so i'll try to describe it it's it's described in their caption as oppo's retractable

camera that's why i was confused so i'm not exactly sure if it's zoom or if it's focus or what's happening but what's happening in this video is imagine a camera bump where you have a square for one of the cameras and that square moves out of the phone slightly so it moves out and moves back in which is something that happens with a lot of larger lenses when you zoom yeah but it doesn't say if it's for zoom or not yeah and it also happens like it looks exactly like that on like some of those point and shoot cameras that have a zoom where like, you're not physically turning the lens.

It's just like, it's automatically bringing the lens in and out and retracting in and out. Um, yeah, but I was just trying to figure out, yeah, what it was. You said might be focus.

So there's two ways that I read this. One would be super cool. One would be kind of pointless. Okay. Which one should I do first? Um, do pointless first. So the kind of pointless one would be, I'm reading the side of this camera and it says one over 1.56 inch 50 millimeter F 2.4. That's one single focal length, 50 millimeters. So you know how we have these periscope lenses that are tilted into the side of the phone and use mirrors so that you have a deeper actual lens and then a mirror to just shoot out the side yeah

this could just be this camera is useless until it protrudes out and then it protrudes straight out and it's that same mechanism just not sideways in the phone so sing so it's a single focal length only works when it's only works when it's protruded i didn't even think of that would be kind of pointless oh man that's what it's going to be but the other version of this is this is a multiple focal length lens and it's it's it's switching between these focal lengths by zooming outside of the actual phone so maybe it goes from a 24 to a 50 and And so you're at 24, you realize you want to zoom in,

you hit the button in the software, it protrudes out the back of the phone, you just got optical zoom to 2X, 48 millimeters. That would be like a cool version of this technology. I don't know that that's what's happening. Well, I don't know how I didn't think to read next to the lens. That makes me feel like kind of a moron, but that's what I was hoping for basically I guess the benefit here because

you said we already have these periscope like optical zooms it would just be eliminating that mirror right which is because then you're just going straight from the lens out which improves some sort of quality a bit I mean like. Yeah, potentially. And that seems kind of cool. Do you recall any phones that have done this? What was that old phone that looked like a camera on the back? Oh, the Nokia Lumia 1020, I believe. Something like that, yeah. Yeah, it had a yellow one, I think, back in the day.

So this one, it had a bunch of moving parts. I think it had even an open and closed shutter. You know how a mirrorless camera will have a shutter that closes? It had that too. It had a bunch of moving parts. I think it had even an open and closed shutter. You know how a mirrorless camera will have a shutter that closes? It had that too. It had a big Xeon flash. It was pretty solid. It was a chunky phone, a Nokia Windows phone. But this one, you know, there's a lot of weird things that we see.

Like Oppo is kind of like, I feel like the Samsung of China in a lot of ways. They just try stuff. Like they have the Find series where they're like, yeah, we'll just have the whole top of the phone a lot of ways, they just try stuff. They have the Find series where they're like, yeah, we'll just have the whole top of the phone move out of the phone and just protrude, or we'll have the Find X or whatever other weird design things they want to try. I feel like them and Vivo seem to be kind of paving the way. I don't know if that's the right word.

They're trying all the fun experimental stuff. Trying new stuff, yeah. I think this would be really cool as long as it actually is benefiting. Zoom still, I think, is one of the hardest things to do on a smartphone camera. Do well, at least. It pains me to pinch to zoom on basically any camera I have. Something I've noticed about these moving parts in smartphone cameras is they all seem to be workarounds that eventually die.

So you know how we had the motorized selfie camera pop up out of the top for a minute that was like the best we had where it was like we've been shrinking the notch we've been shrinking the teardrops then we got hole punch and then we got nothing and it was just bezel to bezel and we had the selfie camera pop out the top and it was like huh a moving part in a smartphone. I don't know if that's good for water resistance or durability. You know, you drop the phone and it would retract based on sensing free fall. But eventually we moved to selfie camera behind the display and that motorized things

going away. Yeah. And that seems like the obvious way. I think we all knew retractable selfie cameras were a band-aid yeah they were going to go away uh is this a zoom that protrudes out the back also going to be vestigial is it going to go away when we get like really good optics inside of phones is that so is the really good optics going to be that we've just like insanely improved digital enhancement when it comes to zooming or is that going like a super big sensor to where you can digitally zoom well or is that

just going to be they can now slap so many different lenses on the back of a phone and a huge camera bump that you don't need optical you just have 10 different focal lengths so i honestly think sony might be onto something okay so you remember the, I'm going to forget. I think it's the Xperia 5 Mark II maybe. Okay. There was a recent Sony phone where they have the periscope mechanism and they had a lens move laterally inside of the periscope mechanism. And that would change focal lengths. You could snap between, it was something weird like 29 and 73 or whatever.

I remember. But I don't think the mirror to do the periscope thing out the side loses that much quality at all like that's what telescopes are they're you're looking in one way and mirroring out the top i think that's fine um but i think if you're going to have a moving part for real optical zoom with multiple focal lengths inside of a camera you got to do it with that sideways space because the phone's not thick enough to do it with that space unless you build unless you do this yeah so that's my gut reaction is like i think sony might be onto something if we build a really good channel

through the side of the phone for a periscope zoom and we're able to work with like motors or magnets or whatever it is later Laterally. And zoom laterally. Okay. That seems like a good way to do it. So I have a question about this, and it might be because of my lack of knowledge in cameras, but in that sense, could you compare kind of like this Oppo phone that's doing it vertically rather than laterally,

like a regular DSLR to a mirrorless? Like you're just eliminating that one mirror, right? Not quite the same thing. I mean, technically, yes, you're just eliminating one mirror. But yeah, I don't know. I feel like the mirror is sort of fine. Okay. I don't think it's changing the quality or anything.

I think that was actually a pretty great invention, just folding the whole lens sideways into the phone. So I think we'll see more of that. Interesting. Okay, so we think this is just kind of... If we're taking a bet on this right now... I think on our way to real optical zoom in a smartphone,

we'll find something better than this. Okay, so now what if Oppo combines this with their notification LED and the camera pops out every time and gives you notification LED? Then I want one. Then just credit card on the table. I want it.

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So that thing you love, keep doing it. Drive your ambition. Mitsubishi Motors. All right, we're back. Let's talk about Fairphone 4 yes so i've wanted to make a video about the fairphone actually for months and it's hard to get one here in the u.s so we've been in contact with fairphone like hey can we get one can we can we try this thing out can we show this to the people and they were finally able to get one to us. They only sell it in Europe. But the idea of the Fairphone is it is a wholly sustainable,

recyclable, modular kind of smartphone, which is very unlike every other smartphone we talk about and that we mostly see on the shelves in 2021. So I thought it was really cool. And it brought up a lot of different thoughts about how smartphones are made, how materials are sourced, what trade-offs are between like these really high-end phones we like but then also the most average phone possible to be as sustainable as possible what were your thoughts on it because we we published the video it's out there now

what what did you think um i've been reading a lot of the comments that we got on it and it's kind of made me think and then also i I feel like whenever I read comments, it's like, I think this, but then I also want to defend it for that. And, um, but so my initial thoughts were, obviously I love sustainability. I think it's great. I think it's really cool that you can pop the phone open and pull modules. Like you at one point went to shoot, um, and we're gone for like 20 minutes in the top down set. And you back and you're like i just took every single part out of the phone and put every single part back in and it works yeah i've never done that 20 minutes are you kidding me like yeah i watched zack's videos he'll take a phone apart he'll like take up ribbon cables and like pop things out and then he'll put

a phone back together and turn it back on and i'm like i i've never actually i've never actually done that like i could but i don't have the glue to put the screen back on. Like I don't have that ability most of the time in a phone. That's the first time I've ever actually done that. And it's like, it's super easy on the inside because all the pieces are labeled as well. Or like they have like, you know,

a little icon to show what the labels are. So I think that's really, really neat. Um, and so it's what they want to do essentially is be able to have those parts. So if anything breaks you can just order the part online replace it yourself you're going to keep your phone for longer now and they do want you to upgrade correct like through the years this is the part that i

feel like i can't tell if it's something they're touting or is this something we're all just kind of assuming okay happening okay this the upgradable part I think is a little bit more of a pipe dream. Okay. So we've had Fairphone 1, 2, 3, and 4. Fairphone, 4, Phone 3 even at a certain point, we were like, hey, maybe you can use the same brain for a while and just upgrade the camera and upgrade the port and upgrade the battery.

But typically those types of puzzle pieces don't fit. They're not the same size. Yeah, okay. It's not like you have a motherboard and a bunch of parts in a pc case with lots of room to play with like these are small little things that fit in your pocket so you know i was gonna sort of bring up project r at some point in this video as like the ultimate dream like i'll just pop off the cpu and put a new one on but like that's kind of not how smartphones are. So it's mostly spare parts. It's mostly like if you damage it, if you break something,

you can replace just that part and it's easy and you can do it yourself and it's kind of cheap. Yeah, I think that's what I was the most, my main thought coming out of that and a lot of comments I saw were people saying, what you're missing here is that there's the upgradability of this.

And my initial thought to that was, I don't see like upgrading all these parts all these specs are different all these phones can upgrade crazy like crazy because there are these intricate pieces that are all manufactured for everything to fit together and if the fair phone ever wanted to upgrade it would have to meet the exact specifications of what the previous models were. Right. So my, I said this near the end of the video, definitely watch the whole video if you can. But the most interesting that I found, the most interesting thing that I found is that Fairphone essentially acknowledges like, okay, we're not designing all of our own parts here. We don't design the display. We don't make our own silicon.

So we are sourcing parts to put this together. And we're trying to source everything responsibly. But in order to satisfy this promise of having spare parts available for five years, which is an amazing promise, they need to find parts that they will have access to for five years. And they need to make relationships with suppliers that they can maintain for five years.

So if you're looking for the most bleeding edge, cutting edge, amazing smartphone with the highest end or the most unique different parts, you probably won't have five years of, of stock of that available. That's a low volume type of part. So they literally said like, we made this a 6.3 inch smartphone because it's an average size. So we can get this screen. It's an average size screen. All the average size pieces inside are all like fairly standard it's a snapdragon 750g i believe six or eight gigs of ram all the stuff in the phone is by design as average as possible okay and so you know sometimes you hear like oh well this this phone is just the same

thing as last year but a little better it's, that's actually probably great. That's kind of what you're looking for here. Um, so yeah, Fairphone, I think Fairphone's basic goal is to prove that there can be better behavior by all the other big companies as far as sustainability goes, recyclability. They use recycled plastics. They used responsibly mined metals like aluminum and lithium and things like that. I love all that. All of that is phenomenal. It's also more expensive, obviously.

Yeah, of course. Because treating people correctly is more expensive than like labor that isn't responsible. And when you're a smaller company too, you like don't have the headroom like that Apple can get discounts on on certain things or Apple can just eat profits a little harder to make something a little cheaper.

I'm sure there's plenty of people who don't think Apple's making anything cheaper. I mean, that's the thing. If any company can pull off a really good, reasonably priced, sustainable phone, it's the bigger ones. Because they have the volume and the scale to be able to go, hey, we want to go to a supplier that does it right

and give them a huge order rather than just like doing it the standard way that's not so great. Yeah. So I think my two big takeaways from this are if that's the way they want to go, not so much, basically no upgradability, but all just like, you know, the replacement parts for so long, I feel like it needs to be a little more competitive spec wise. And maybe that's just, you know, the replacement parts for so long, I feel like it needs to be a little more competitive spec-wise.

And maybe that's just, you know, that could totally be us working in this environment where we get to see the most bleeding edge phones all the time. It's true, though. And like the majority of people in the world have, you know, a lower spec phone. But it does seem,

it seems low spec for kind of last year almost. Well, so, yeah, it is low spec. It is behind on, so it's about 580 euros, which if you go to the, it's like $650 roughly. If we just go with that, then I compare it to the Pixel 6, which is about 600 bucks. And it loses to the Pixel in everything.

It has a smaller, lower resolution, not as bright, not as high refresh rate display that has way more bezel, frankly. It has a smaller battery. It has no wireless charging. It has lesser water resistance. Like if you just go down the list, you're sacrificing a lot to get the sustainable part. And that has to be what you value in a phone to pick that over the Pixel 6. Most people, as much as we say we want the sustainability, if you gave them the choice and you gave them $650, they would pick the better phone. And that's just going to keep happening.

So I think Fairphone's not out here trying to take market share from Google. They're just out here trying to prove like this is a real thing we can do. It's like a proof of concept, it feels like. Yeah, I think. And then my other kind of like thought on this though and in in that scenario you have 650 dollars do you think the majority of people would go for this phone because it's sustainable or would it almost be more sustainable to buy the best phone you can for that money that you think will have five years of updates and you just keep that phone i think that's the biggest thing here where i see like will this phone sell or would it

make more sense to me to get a pixel 6 and keep it for five years yeah so the most sustainable thing you can do is not buy a phone the second most sustainable thing you can do is to get a phone that you can use as long as possible and so the idea with the Fairphone is if you want to use this as long as possible, great, five years of parts, but you won't be upgrading it for those whole five years. You'll just be replacing anything that breaks for those five years. Whereas if you have a Pixel, in theory, you take good care of it, nothing breaks, you don't have to do any of these replacements but it lasts the whole five years and then you get a new phone that's the difference in approach okay so if you're in that bucket kind of your thought process is i'm super safe and i want the best specs possible or i'm kind of i'm

pretty clumsy and i want to keep this phone for five years so this is the better deal for me because i can replace the screen when I drop it on the ground. Yeah. Okay. I kind of like that. But even on top of all that, it's all the material stuff. That's like,

if you want to minimize. Yeah, I love that. Sustainably sourced. I think that's all cool. I hope it pushes some of these things. I think just my biggest thing is they have to make some splash to make any of these phone companies

that are making trillions of dollars to move the needle at all. I hope they do. Like I would obviously love them. I love, my favorite part of this video, honestly, is that we'll be adding sustainability scores into our reviews now. Yeah, that feels like the best I can do.

Like I agree with you, like Fairphone has to make some sort of splash. Not even Fairphone. There has to be some incentive for a company like samsung huawei google motorola whatever to change something like that in one of their phones because objectively they will make less money they will spend more it will be a disadvantage for them to move to more sustainable sources for stuff yeah so we need some reason for them to make that sacrifice so i figure the best i can do is literally reward them for making that sacrifice. So I figure the best I can do is literally reward them

for making that sacrifice by highlighting it and sharing when there are sustainable things changed about the way they do things. So it's just, you know, Fairphone's not perfect, but they've done a lot of cool stuff. David and I pointed out there was no charger in the box in the Fairphone. There was no headphone jack in the Fairphone.

The Fairphone got a 10 out of 10 for repairability, but the wireless earphones that they made got a one out of 10 for repairability. I think they sold wireless earphones alongside the last Fairphone. The Fairphone got a 10 out of 10 for repairability, but the wireless earphones that they made got a 1 out of 10 for repairability. I think they sold wireless earphones alongside the last Fairphone, so nothing's perfect. The joke in my video is like, alright, well, are all the computers

they used to design the Fairphone sustainable? So, you know, you can recycle their phone and they're pledging as a company to be net e-waste neutral, but yeah, I think generally the Fairphone represents like a proof of real change that can be successfully implemented and shipped. I give them infinite credit for trying to do this. I cannot applaud them enough in doing this and trying to move the needle. And I honestly wish them all the best in this

because I think it's really cool and I think it's really important speaking of wishing them all the best i wish google all the best at making a pixel watch that's the best segue i can come up yeah it's um i mean i added pixel watch in here we're seeing rumors again of it potentially coming in 2022 what i kind of found the funniest here is the minute I started reading an article about this the opening line was like the original rumors for this were that it was going to come out alongside the Pixel 3 and Pixel 3 XL so we've been hoping for this for a little while

so let's take rumors with a grain of salt but there is one big thing here that makes this Pixel watch a little more believable and that is in 2021 Google acquired fitbit obviously a huge company that makes sport watches yeah so i guess we're just hoping a little more i mean they acquired them in the beginning of 2021 it's probably a little quick especially with

supply chain issues to get it out by the end of 2021 next year seems much much more reasonable they did a little work with uh samsung working on kind of like a collaborative watch this year. But I just want to talk kind of in like, before when I mentioned this, both of you guys said you wanted a Pixel watch. I think it's a lot of people want a Pixel watch. I want a Pixel watch. I want, here's what I want.

Yeah, why? Okay, so the Apple Watch, it's kind of like wanting an apple watch for android so back in the day i remember um i don't know what year but i went to google io and there was a moto 360 and the moto 360 was like honestly today might still be my favorite smart watch to wear just as far as like design it looked sick everyone hated on the flat tire i thought it was cool i love i love the flat tire. I thought it was cool. I love the flat tire.

I love that thing. So Moto 360 was great. It plugged into Android kind of okay. And then slowly we saw Wear OS get like worse and worse. And then essentially we don't really get good Wear OS watches anymore. And so this question of, well, what if Google made a pixel watch to set, set the bar so we all can like get good Android smartwatches again. Um,

and there was other, there's like, you know, Samsung has their line. Huawei's got their watch. OnePlus. OnePlus has a watch. They have a watch,

but I don't have a Apple Watch for Android premium type, all of the features, optimized, great display, battery life on par, like all that stuff. I don't have that option and I want one. So I want to remain like cautiously optimistic on the longterm. It kind of feels like when we were expecting a really good Pixel phone with like a premium design

as soon as they bought HTC. Oh, yeah. And it didn't, it wasn't right away. Like it's not going to be right away. So I think, you know, maybe in like two to three years, we can expect like a nice Pixel watch with like a little Tensor chip inside and a nice screen. But I don't think that's anytime soon. No, yeah. If it comes out in 2022, I'm like excited for it, but I don't think that's anytime soon. No, yeah, if it comes out in 2022,

I'm like excited for it, but I don't see it specifically take, I mean, any watch that comes out will have years to go until it reaches Apple Watch level because not just is Apple Watch so good and so like meshed in with its entire ecosystem, but the user base on it is crazy. And it seems like so many things people do on the Apple Watch are things like contests or things like all those different achievements that you're

sharing with other people or communicating with other people. So it has the user base, which is just something it will have over any Android watch for years and years to come. Even the hardware, I think. The Apple Watch's hardware is genuinely really impressive. The haptics on it, like I said, it's my alarm clock. I woke up this morning to like a tap on my wrist instead of like a loud sound. I hate wearing a watch at night, but I love not having an alarm clock because it just, that's all it is. So the haptics are amazing. Well, when Tesla Bot comes out, he can just tap you on the shoulder.

Oh, Jesus Christ. That would be horrifying. It's like, imagine the sleep paralysis of like a Tesla Bot like this. that's all it is so the haptics are amazing when tesla bot comes out he can just tap you on the shoulder oh jesus christ that would be horrifying that's like imagine the sleep paralysis of like a tesla bot like this it's the screen it's great

it's the pressure sensitivity the battery life is fine it's like a day and change maybe a day and a half I'm still surprised at how bad the battery I would consider that bad when you look at stuff like

I mean I guess I'm mostly looking at hiking watches like Garmin and their battery life is fantastic right i think it's about equivalent functionality and size like a hiking watch does what three things four things it's tracking tries to do plenty of it tries to do some stuff but it's definitely larger and it's giving you really good like location altitude and maybe one or two other things right this watch this apple watch is like connected to your phone 24 7 delivering notifications changing it's potentially uh not just wi-fi connected but

cellular connected too it's got obviously the haptics going in it's it's connected to a bunch of apps it's got local memory it's streaming music it's got a speaker it's got siri it's got all this stuff and it's much smaller and so i i'm fine with it lasting comfortably over a day because that means at the end of every day i find some time to plug it in and i'm good but i'm not complaining but if we get longer battery life that's great with me i just don't know how quickly a pixel watch can go from not existing to matching the apple watch i want to be optimistic but it's going to be a little bit definitely got the head start if Fitbit's going to be working on a bit, but I guess you also used the example of HTC coming in and not quite nailing it. Yeah. I mean, first I would like it to be

circular because I think the square Apple Watch is dumb. You bring up haptics and that is literally the first thing I noticed when I put an Apple Watch on when we used to do our contest is I would just scroll on it because it's so so good it makes no sense how good that is really good um and yeah the contests and stuff i still someone needs to make some sort of app where you can do apple competitions or just watch competitions between everybody because ultimately it's it's all recording kind of the same thing. Heart rate. It's pretty much all it's mostly doing. Heart rate and time and distance through GPS

and make some arbitrary score like Apple does in a different contest, and that would be awesome. Yep. But yeah, I think this 2022, maybe we'll see it. Will we see it take off in 2022? Probably not. But Adam, is there anything specifically you want out of a pixel watch that you don't see out of any other watches i just want better google fit because i

think apple health is probably the reason why the apple watch is still dominant that's a good point and google fit is very cartoony and cute but it doesn't really give me any information that's useful yeah like what's a heart point? Yeah, it's like nice and built in and like great, clean UI, but doesn't really tell me anything useful. This might sound dumb. I just don't know. But do other, like, does Fitbit and stuff work into Google Fit or? Yeah, you can connect right in.

And that will, is it still just heart points then? What the, what is going on? I just, I don't, I don't think how some of these companies do some of these things. They all have some sort of algorithm to convert the data they're measuring into points. Because they all like gamifying everything. Yeah, no, I'm all for that. I'm all for points. Which I love.

It's great. It's making people want to work out. It has made me want to work out. Yeah. But there should just be some actual real info in there like do you think all these doctors now know like what these points mean because how many doctors do you think are going in it's like oh how often do you exercise like i averaged 79 heart points per day and the doctor's like i don't know what you're talking about i don't think a doctor is

interested in how many points you got but it's a shame it could help help so much. Yeah. No, the Apple Watch, you're right. Like Apple Health is extremely detailed. It's not even detailed. It just measures so many different things, whether it's like resting heart rate. I got a, maybe I should go to a doctor. I got a low heart rate notification while I was sleeping because my heart rate went under 40 BPM for more than five minutes in a row. And I was like, oh oh i didn't even know that

happened when i was asleep but now i know it measures your blood oxygen it measures like obviously your accelerometer stuff but like if you're running around like how fast how fast you're going if you're doing a bike ride how many miles you cover uh what your altitude is if you're doing a hike elevation change during a run all this stuff is just it's constantly measuring all types of info as a as a numbers person i'm into. I would really like to see one of these smartwatch companies partner or license what Whoop is doing because I used Whoop for a little bit. Their numbers are just out of this world. They're so detailed. They're so intense. It's like tells you your recovery rates and based on everything, it's awesome. But it just, it's a tells you your recovery rates and based on everything it's awesome but it just

it's a watch that doesn't show time or anything like that and that still makes me upset yeah um yeah i like the idea of like oh and i'll end it after this i just like the idea of one big like general smart watch that gives you like here's how long you slept here's how many miles you walked but then like if you can wear a whoop for your workout and then have that info dump into the same Google Fit or Apple Health or whatever, then I'd be very happy. If it was an app in a watch, I don't know if there's sensors or anything much different. Imagine you just have the Whoop app in your watch

and then it just dumps and you don't have to wear another thing. That would be even better. Do it, Whoop. All right, let's take a quick break. We'll come back we'll talk about spotify wrapped and driving while playing games with uber reserve good things come to those who plan ahead. Family vacay? Reserve your ride as soon as you book your flights. To all the planners, now you can reserve your Uber ride up to 90 days in advance. See Uber app for details. Support for the show today comes from NetSuite. Anxious about where

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Yep. Not really. Well, my question would be which games? I don't have the exact. I know Solitaire is one of them oh that's not that bad there's i guess that's not that bad well it's not good okay because there's a well there's a game that involves you turning the wheel to control the game so if it was that game okay it's not as bad as that i guess but you should still probably pay that for the road um okay so there was a over there software update that now I still can't tell if this is a bug because it doesn't seem like there was an announcement,

but a select amount of games on the screen now are offered while you're driving. It can't be a bug though, because when you click them, it does pop up the thing that says, I am a passenger. So you have to hit that button. So the headline for this article,

if you saw it going around, is kind of deceiving, a little clickbaity, because it obviously does not want you to play them while you, the driver, are driving. But it still kind of feels like a big deal because if you're willing to play a game while you're driving, you're probably willing to press a button that says, I am the passenger.

There should be like a sensor and they should use the seat sensor. Exactly. Exactly what I've thought. Because when you're driving. So here's the thing about the games in the car. I think they are one of the most overrated things about Teslas. I don't think anyone really actually plays the games or cares. I think people's children, when they have to like wait to pick up their brother at school or something, probably your best and like you said i don't think that's a very good yeah because people

people who have teslas give their kids like an ipad probably switch or something yeah like those kids are fine and the screen you can't even reach from a car seat so like yeah down there like half the time i you know it's cool it's a gaming the fact that you can say like you can play what do they say cyberpunk in the back of the tesla i guess they want to do it when you're like charging maybe right so that would be the the one time what i would where i would ever consider gaming on my car the screen in the front was like kind of tilted towards me a little bit so that'd be the perfect time and i still don't do it like i have my phone hooked up via bluetooth and i watch videos on my phone that play through the car

instead of just using the screen. You don't even watch it on the screen. I don't even watch videos on the screen. Wait, I have a question now that's not. You said there's a game where you steer with the wheel. Yeah, it's a driving game. Have you ever been in the charging station? You see someone park charging,

just like whipping the wheel around? If you do, it moves the wheel a little bit. Like the tires on the ground. Oh, the tires move? It doesn't like disengage it little bit. Like the tires on the ground. Oh, the tires move? It doesn't like disengage it? It slightly moves the tires on the ground. That is now my goal is I want to be like at a Tesla charging center just watching someone go wild.

It's happening out there somewhere. Somebody out there is listening to this podcast and playing that game while charging their car. And for that one person, I salute you, sir. Yeah, tweet us your high score for that yeah the way you're doing it but no i i honestly think the games in the car are like a a cool like gimmick feature where they can put it's a cool headline like you have this 10 teraflops of power but really like it's a cool side effect of having a lot of computing power in the car for self-driving yeah so the fact that you can like i don't i don't know that i'll ever be driving someone

around in the building hey can i play solitaire on that screen while you drive it's like no i'm navigating i need that yeah that's the thing is it's like the main screen too that people use for driving functions all the time it seems like a weird model 3 has no other screen why would you do that to yourself you can't even is the speedometer disappear while you're playing a game i don't think that's a good answer my wipers on hold on i'm almost done with this level and just to be fair to tesla also here is like there are a thousand other cars that have like when you're trying to enter navigation you have to click that button that says i'm a passenger ways every yeah everyone everyone disregards it don't disregard it i'm not telling you to go out and do that i'm please anyone here do not play

games why even if your car is in full self-driving or whatever pay attention to the road please but it just felt like kind of a fun uh fun headline yeah i feel like the the world of tesla news is a lot of deciphering like how much of a headline is just for the headline versus like actual implications for real life you know what if it gives us a couple things to talk about on the podcast yeah this is one of those things like we we like break it down and realize it like it probably won't matter too much it's fun sometimes too because when you break it down people who don't drive tesla like every time one of these headlines come up i feel like i learned something new about your experience in one fair yeah i think there's also probably like parents like reading these headlines like oh wow people are like driving games while autopiloting and their teslas what a dangerous concept where it's like

that's probably not actually that big a deal no but at least now we know yeah we want to we want to give you guys a shout out for listening to the podcast at the end here so it's december it's that type of wrap-up season we're looking at the best stuff that happened during the course of the year. And what Spotify does is they give us wrapped, obviously, what you listen to. But it also gives us, publishers, wrapped, which sort of breaks down some interesting metrics about people who listen to our stuff. So in the case of the Waveform podcast, we've got some numbers and some shout-outs to give. Yeah, it's always fun to look at. It shows us all different countries and listen time and charts and stuff like that.

I think we talked about it last year on the podcast, and it's just, yeah, it's fun. As a big thank you to everyone out there listening. Now on the, also just remember, these are only Spotify numbers. This doesn't include Apple Podcasts. This doesn't include YouTube. We still appreciate all of you out there, but your platforms don't give us a fun little thing like this.

Spotify has just nailed the wrapped portion. They should. I tweeted that. I tweeted that. YouTube should make a wrapped that just tells you like which channels' videos you watch the most minutes of. They know.

They've got to know. They've got to know. They've got to know what ads you watch the most, what channels you've watched the most, how long you've watched them, and like how many people who subscribe and how many people you're subscribed to that you didn't miss a video. Like highest percent of watched videos during the year.

Or even for you as the creator, how many people of your audience have watched every single video that got put out in a year. When I see my Spotify wrapped and it says, you're in the top 2% of listeners of Electric Guest, I want someone out there to be able to say, hey, look, according to my YouTube wrapped, I'm in the top 2% of listeners of Electric Guest, I want someone out there to be able to say, hey, look, according to my YouTube wrapped, I'm in the top 2% of MKBHD viewers.

I didn't miss a video. That would be sick. YouTube rebrand rewind. What would you name it? Oh, there it is. Take back the rewind name. This is your chance. Build this feature.

Okay. YouTube rewind. YouTube rewind. Like a shared story kind of thing. You can't use Rapp. Spotify has that. So call it Rewind. There it is.

Interesting. And they can't make any arguments. So like it would be easy in Instagram and Twitter and stuff like that because you kind of have these easy shareable posts, but Spotify doesn't have any of that and they still manage to do this. So YouTube could easily do this. Yeah, everyone just screenshots it and it's like an Instagram story you tap through.

We'll give these stats in a second. I'm going to look up a trademark so we can just sell that to Google before we... No, I think they got to call it YouTube Rewind and they just got to own it and take it back and tell us what we watched this year. I was trying to think of a Christmassy name for it that would just totally rip off wrapped YouTube stocking

stuff. No, no, no. They got to own it. Rewind, for sure. You're welcome. Let's look at a couple cool things here. We have a bunch of slides Adam grabbed, just like a couple of the best ones here. I want to react to them from the top. Okay. Also, wait, wait.

Let's talk about Wrapped real quick, though. Was the UI design horrible this year? Hasn't it always been horrible? It's never been great, but it felt specifically bad this year. We were looking at there were some things we couldn't even see it would be like a chart that would cover over the numbers that we oh that's on our side though that was for the creator that's on our side yeah

but even the other side like the um the bar graphs that said like what genres you were listening to with the letters like really crunched up cartoons it was bad it was cartoony it's not not great apparently the waveform show made some new friends in some new places and we got our first stream in 50 new countries this year including nigeria kenya ghana nepal and zambia oh so none of those i've none of those listened before oh wait no sorry in fine print the ui is bad okay the ui is really bad uh these places loved you the most n Nigeria, Kenya, Ghana, Nepal, and Zambia. But yeah, 50 new countries. That's crazy because we've, we looked last year and surprisingly, this always blows my mind. A lot of people around the world listen to this podcast. So 50 new ones

in one year. It's pretty, sounds awesome. I, this again goes back to youtube but i when i look at youtube analytics you can really get super granular with like how many people from this country in this age on a mobile phone watched this one video and they'll be like two people from this one country it'll be like a very small country yeah from from a random island country will have watched this video on a phone. I can see like the resolution of their phone. Like Google Analytics tells me everything. Fascinating stuff. Shout out.

Yeah, and we also, this is just a little fun one that might be a tad humble brag, but in technology, the first day in 2021 that we made the top of a chart was January 1st. That's pretty sick.

Pretty sick, right? That's pretty dope. And my favorite part is at the bottom. It says, we have a feeling this won't be the last and I really hope it wasn't the last because we had a lot of room to get there again.

Sharded on the first day. Was there an episode live on that day? Probably not. No, I don't think it was even live that day. So that means we were doing pretty good. You guys were killing it. In its first week, listening peaked in India on Friday,

which is days of release. So that's awesome. Your fans listen to it mostly at night, probably because of when we released the podcast is probably at night in India. So shout out. I can say I'm not someone who listens to podcasts at night. I guess maybe my ride home if we're here late, but shout out India. Y'all listening at night.

That's some, that's dedication. If you're listening to this or watching on YouTube, leave a comment when you consume this podcast. When and where you are. Morning, on commute, do you put this in the pocket? Earbuds, during a run, let us know. How are you consuming waveform? Let us know.

I do want to know. Actually, that would be cool if Spotify was a little better, like YouTube, being able to get deep into those. It probably has it, just it's not as cheery and poor UI to put it into this. And then after India, the US was next on Fridays. I'm a little confused by this slide, if I'm being honest. The UI. Ultimately, it was played in 105 countries.

Shout out to every single one of those countries for listening to Waveform. every single one of those countries for listening to waveform. And we had some impressive growth numbers that it made a little bar graph out of, plus 38% followers on Spotify, plus 11% in hours listened versus last year, and plus 6% in streams. Those are all great positives. I'm glad there's no negatives. If there were, Spotify didn't show us to them.

Spotify didn't show us the negatives. Shout out Spotify for not making us feel bad appreciate the uh the pat on the back there uh we were also in the charts in eight countries for a total of 304 days okay big shout outs to the podcast the podcast listeners are coming through on spotify coming through different countries that means we were on a chart for almost every day of the year right that's awesome 25,055 fans listen to you more than any other podcast that's my favorite one that's my favorite stat but here's the funny part about that i don't use spotify to listen to podcasts okay so my most listened to podcasts were random ones that i accidentally clicked once no no You had one on there that I know you listened to on Spotify

and that it was kind of a new thing we all learned this year, the Pod Quiz Weekly. Oh, because we listened to it a lot during our road trip. I mean, I hope you've listened to it since then. I think that made it my number one. I'm pretty sure everyone in the studio had that on there wrapped because we all played it so much on the road trip and have played it again since.

Yeah, so that's how Spotify, but yeah, I have like two or three or four other podcasts on there that i like clicked once uh but yeah shout out to the 25,055 people i'm giving all of you credit for uh listening to way for more than anything else i mean that's kind of neat because our numbers are usually in the like we have around 200,000 audio downloads and then the youtube channels is around 50 50 000 usually so if you think about just on spotify 25 000 of that listen to us more than anyone else that's not including apple not including youtube good amount that's crazy percentage appreciate you i hope that means we got people into podcasting and i hope people are listening to other podcasts because of us.

That'll make me feel good. So if you don't just tell me you did anyways, that'd be nice. 1,825 fans spent their birthdays listening to you. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. If you're listening to this episode on your birthday, happy birthday.

And happy birthday. And 1-826 then. And then 6,641 of you listened to most of our episodes not sure what that means that's a very vague most could be over half it could be almost every one but we put out an episode every week so that's a lot of you guys who are hanging on to every word according to spotify lastly we released 2 861 minutes of content across 43 episodes, which is quite a few. Which also means they wrapped their wrap a little earlier. After 43 weeks.

Yeah, because we can literally gauge that. That's the thing. I was just thinking this this morning. If you really binge Christmas music right now, it won't show up on your Spotify wrapped ever because it already came out this year and then it starts the next year's wrapped in January, right? Yeah. So I feel like a lot of people would have Christmas music on

their wrapped but it doesn't count December. I had a sneaking suspicion because Red Taylor's version came out in the middle of November and it wasn't on my

top 100 songs anywhere. And it definitely played a lot. Yes and I know there are a million other people who should have been in

there like listening to that and it should have been on their wraps and it wasn't. So I had the suspicion I'm glad we could verify it through our i just had to start a podcast to realize what uh wrapped is doing but yep 22 861 minutes of content

so what do you think we're getting to by the end if that's 43 weeks i'll do the math another 60 minutes for what? Probably like six more weeks on time? Or no. Time is 52. I'm just doing the math on the averages. We'll be about 3,460 minutes total. Nice. That's a lot of minutes.

Yeah. The craziest stat for me is when I look at how many watch hours of YouTube content there were on the channel in the year. So it'd be like how many hours of human life were spent watching the videos. How many brains were rotted? And it's always measured in like years. Wait, I'm gonna check it right now. I'm gonna check it right now.

If you were to take a random guess. How many years of listening happened in 2021? How many years of human life were spent watching MKBHD videos in the last 365 days? 365 wouldn't include last year's PS5 video, which just feels like a milestone. 15 years? Do you have a guess, Adam? I'm going to go with 22 years. So the number I have, I have to do the math real quick, divided by 24.

It is... That face, please zoom in on that face. It is 2,051,091 years. Wait, in the last 365 days? Yep. On our channel yep 49 million watch hours which divided by 24 is 2 million 51 000 wait can you do the watch sorry days divided by 365 uh we should cut out my awful math there do not cut that out divided by oh I needed

hold on our viewers have not seen the sun in 365 5,619 years okay it's it's sad that that seems so little now because I just thought it was 2 million. 5,000 years.

That's crazy. I guess 15. You guess 22. 22,000? No, no, no. 22 years. 22 years. That's 5,600 years.

That's still wild. Do you want to know how many the podcast is in years? Yeah. 92.5 years just for the podcast in 2021. First year as a video. That's, I mean, longer episodes. That's a lifetime. Somebody's life.

An entire human life. Okay, I'm done. We sacrificed a life for the podcast. That's a little strong wording, but sure. I think we ended on that then. Yeah. Thanks for listening to Wave Forum in 2021. We think we ended on that then. Yeah. Thanks for listening to Waveform in 2021. We're not done yet, though. We've got a lot more year-end stuff.

It's December. You already know how it goes. But if you haven't already subscribed on YouTube, make sure you do that. And of course, we'll see you guys next week. Peace. Waveform is produced by Adam Molina. We are partnered with Vox Media, and our intro-outro music was created by Veen. So.