Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Tech We Want to See in 2022!

Episode Date: December 31, 2021

It's the final podcast episode of 2021! Last week we looked back at the past year and reminisced about what some of our favorite moments were as well as some of our favorite gadgets. Continuing in tha...t spirit, Marques and Andrew sit down with each member of the team this week to make a few predictions as to what we are expecting/what we hope to see in 2022. Thanks for sticking with us this year and next year will be even better! Twitters: https://twitter.com/wvfrm https://twitter.com/mkbhd https://twitter.com/andymanganelli https://twitter.com/AdamLukas17 https://twitter.com/hayatohuseman https://twitter.com/DurvidImel https://twitter.com/timmcmahonn https://twitter.com/Mikey_Emerick https://twitter.com/danggvinh https://twitter.com/BrandonJHavard Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wvfrmpodcast/ Shop the merch: shop.mkbhd.com Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:49 stuff that sort of highlighted our 2021 and this is the last episode of the 2021 calendar year which is very exciting but maybe a little bittersweet yeah i also just want to say you know we're we're releasing a podcast here on christmas eve and new year Eve, so don't say we've never done anything for you. We've been working for you. That's dedication. Yeah, for sure. So we're coming back at you next year in 2022, but of course, before we jump into the new year,
Starting point is 00:02:16 we want to look forward at the stuff that we're expecting, hoping for maybe, maybe rooting for a little bit, and we're going to go through the entire MKBHD team, here at Waveform, the studio, everything, and we're going to go through the entire MKBHD team here at Waveform, the studio, everything. And we're going to look forward to those things to get us in a positive mood for 2022. Yeah, and make some predictions too, which maybe we should then next year come back on this episode. Oh, I love that idea. And make those predictions.
Starting point is 00:02:39 And then make future predictions as well. I'm telling myself this now, but somebody on Twitter, please remind me, December of 2022. We want to revisit the predictions that we made and see how many of them were right. Adam's typing. No, we're writing that down. Okay, good. We got it. But don't let me forget somebody on Twitter will definitely remember. So without any further ado, let's go ahead and get started. Same order as last week. Adam, let's talk about the future. Adam, do you have a favorite or a let's let's phrase it this way, a prediction for tech in 2022 or something you're hoping
Starting point is 00:03:07 will happen in tech in 2022 something I'm hoping for would probably be the OP2 from Teenage Engineering I don't know what that is you gotta explain that one
Starting point is 00:03:17 so they have a synthesizer the OP1 that's like a little keyboard that you can make notes with everything like that they bought they didn't buy they released another one
Starting point is 00:03:26 the OPZ which is the one that we bought we have the OPZ which is what I use to make like the ad music that you guys hear and stuff like that the OP2 has been rumored
Starting point is 00:03:33 for I don't even know how many years there's not even an announcement yet and it's just like every year I'm eagerly hoping that this is the year
Starting point is 00:03:41 that the OP2 comes out for like the past four years it's like Half-Life 3 like it's basically it's gonna be amazing when it finally comes let's just make a video game reference hoping that this is the year that the OP2 comes out for like the past four years. It's like Half-Life 3. It's gonna be amazing. Let's just make a video game reference. That's how far Half-Life 3 has transcended. It's mainstream now.
Starting point is 00:03:54 Yeah. I was gonna ask what's the difference between like a MIDI controller that I've seen before and the OP2. Like what would make the OP2 so great? The OP2, well the OP1 was amazing. It's already sitting in the MoMA design store. It's just it needed a better headphone jack.
Starting point is 00:04:11 It wasn't great on the first one. It was a little staticky. It needs USB-C. That would be nice. Whatever new things. Like, there's some features in the OPZ that are just new and updated where the old one didn't have that. So if it would just become modern basically because it was already pretty great and fun to play with but and also
Starting point is 00:04:30 I would like the price to go down which is never going to happen but it's insanely expensive it's like a $1,400 synth for no reason yeah but to get some context since Marques and I don't know much about this you're saying you're hoping for it to come and you're calling it the OP2. Is there like any actual rumor about any specs on this or release date or anything? Or is this just a, we all know they need to make a second one and collectively as fans, you're hoping for one? More so that.
Starting point is 00:04:56 It's like a refresh. It's like a refresh. Like with enough momentum, like the Tesla Model S refresh was kind of like a rumored thing for like three years. We're all like, when are they going to do it? Because it's old, it's aging. They got to do it.
Starting point is 00:05:09 But like, we don't know when. It's not official yet. So we're coming around to that time where like, all right, USB-C, there's a long enough list of things that could happen that would really make a good solid refresh. And I think this past year was like the first, it was a 10-year anniversary of the first one coming out. Oh, we're a while. Yeah, it's been a while so like any day now if you had to give a percentage of it coming out in 2022 i guess a guesstimate percentage probably about as much as cyber truck yeah i was gonna say pixel watch but that. Like something I've wanted for so many years, the Pixel Watch, but every year if you ask me to give it a realistic percentage,
Starting point is 00:05:50 probably less than 50%. I want it, but I'll give it like 35%. So we're really on the like this could be the year train, the really, really hopeful, optimistic. Yeah, exactly. So it sounds low. It sounds like a really low chance. I'm crossing my fingers for you.
Starting point is 00:06:06 I hope it comes. Thank you. It's happening. Appreciate it. I need all your prayers. All right. We got to talk future with Hayato. What are you expecting out of 2022? And maybe what are you hoping for?
Starting point is 00:06:22 I really want to see more EVs come to market. Again, I really like competition. And I think next year is looking really interesting because it's not just like the big car companies. I guess not even big car. It's not like- Like legacy car companies. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:39 But there's like startups like Canoo that I think is supposed to be shipping something in 2022, hopefully. And I really, really like Canoo's designs that they've to be shipping something in 2022, hopefully. And I really, really like Canoo's designs that they've shown us. I want to see more from them. I want to see more things from Rivian. There's all kinds of companies. But even with the traditional manufacturers, like Hyundai has been really killing it with their new Ioniq series they're supposed to be putting out. I saw two on my drive the other day, actually. Really? Yeah. Two Ioniqs. Wow. Maybe it was just one.
Starting point is 00:07:05 I don't know. It's so easy to tell an EV lately because they don't have a grill and you're like, oh, oh that is. I don't think I've seen that.
Starting point is 00:07:10 Yeah. And like even those are super compelling. So I think, I think the EV space is going to be looking really good in the next year
Starting point is 00:07:17 which is great for me because I think at some point as much as I want to be like a fully carless person for as long as I can I'm probably going to have to buy a car soon so yeah also like more evs means hopefully better charging network because we all are very aware and hiato has hours of footage of it that the charging network could use some
Starting point is 00:07:38 work and i like seeing more legacy and more new car manufacturers coming into the ev space because yeah that should mean all of those should get better should i feel like i have like sort of two versions of uh rooting for evs yeah i have this thing that i do where i'm like yeah i'm driving around i'll like see an ev it's like ev spotting yeah oh this is the third machi today that's crazy or i'll see a rare one like the mini cooper and i'm like oh, I haven't seen one of those in a long time. So I'm like just rooting for more variety, which is kind of fun, but also rooting for a lower price breakthrough because they're all sort of showing up at like 39 plus,
Starting point is 00:08:17 which is, it makes sense. These are expensive new types of cars that they're building, but we're also rooting for like a 20 to 30 type of car, which would be a really big difference versus what we've seen typically with a new EV. And that's the second type I'm rooting for. I want to be optimistic for it. I don't think we're going to see an amazing bunch of new $20,000 EVs anytime soon. But I think as we get more and more, we'll see the minimum price go down a little more every time. I mean, do we, are we still expecting like model tesla model what two so this is this is one of the things yeah model two which would be like a slightly smaller model
Starting point is 00:08:50 three yeah with slightly less materials and slightly lower price like that's the basic formula for a say 25 000 ev now is though a model three costs like 46 yeah right so it has to it's got to cut down it's got to cut down. It's got to cut down a lot to get down there or just back to the old Model 3 price. I mean, I think, I think that's where
Starting point is 00:09:09 we're going to see brands like, like again, like Hyundai put out like an Elantra that's fully electric and gets hopefully decent mileage and stays under $30,000
Starting point is 00:09:18 would be great. Yeah. If I had to bet on a cheaper EV, Hyundai might be, they've been really, if I had to put a bet on a legacy car. Let's make it a bet.
Starting point is 00:09:27 Let's make it a bet. Yeah. Who's going to, let's define this though. Who's going to make the first sub $30,000 EV with over 240. Let's say 240. Okay. Miles of range. 240 feels like my like minimum of being excited.
Starting point is 00:09:45 So anything over that feels like a bet on that. So who's going to land there? Sub 30. Sorry for those listening. Sub $30,000 starting price. Yeah. And at that price, 240 or more miles of range to the battery. Who's going to get there?
Starting point is 00:10:00 I think my money's on Hyundai. Hyundai. Okay. If I can't pick hyundai i really really like that choice yeah and this is going to be a weird choice because they don't have an ev out right now but i'm assuming this is going to be within the next five it's going to take about five years i could see toyota doing it okay just because they're not fully ev yet but they still have done a lot in battery space a little bit they're pledging a lot of money to it and
Starting point is 00:10:24 they just are one of the largest manufacturers in the world. Right, they are. If I was a betting man, I would be betting on Tesla to get there first. Really? Because it's really a drivetrain question to me. Who's going to get that 240-mile battery-packed drivetrain down in price first? It might not be the best car at that price, but I think they'll get there first.
Starting point is 00:10:43 Also, are we counting EPA certification or like real world testing what do we I think EPA is a solid enough number we know it might be a little under that it's easier to test I like that we've got a bet going
Starting point is 00:10:58 we'll see everyone in like 10 years let's revisit this every year until it exists perfect thanks for joining us again for sure see you next year sounds good
Starting point is 00:11:09 all right so David we're talking future we're talking we're talking what we're expecting out of 2022 here now we actually briefly mentioned
Starting point is 00:11:23 last week we were talking about like oh what if we do see a bunch more custom silicon in the world of not just smartphones but computers in general but i don't know if you're looking forward at 2022 what kind of tech are you expecting slash hoping for i'm expecting the ev market to explode even more than it did this year is it still this year uh it is still okay yeah and when this comes out it still will be too okay if that's what you're wondering yeah um yeah i'm expected to see like a lot more evs with probably their own stuff uh new chipsets by individualized manufacturers i think will at least
Starting point is 00:11:59 start the process of happening like tensor started that and like i would love to see what oppo group and xiaomi are gonna do with their own hardware um it's hard to probably more folding phones like honestly like we we've seen a lot of interesting folding phones in 21 and i know that there were some that even got canceled just because they couldn't get the price point low enough right so i feel like that was the TCL. The folding rolling one? No, it wasn't the TCL one. Do you think we'll see that in 2022? The folding and rolling is now
Starting point is 00:12:33 multiple different. I think there's a couple. TCL was the first folding rolling or even just rolling in general. I think we'll see more because the tech between ultra thin glass and that kind of stuff is just going to get cheaper and cheaper. And eventually other manufacturers are going to be able to enter the space, which is good because Samsung has like a four-year lean now. There's folding Pixel rumors.
Starting point is 00:12:54 There's like folding iPhone rumors every year. I think it's going to be three years before we see a folding iPhone or a folding Pixel. To be honest, every single folding Pixel rumor that I saw this year, I was like, it's not happening anytime soon. It's coming out with the Pixel Ultra. Right around the corner. Three years ago.
Starting point is 00:13:13 On the EV topic, would you like to join a bet that we made in a previous segment? Oh boy. So we had, I think Hayato has a guess. You have a guess. I have a guess. He mentioned EVs and we're trying to think who will be the first company
Starting point is 00:13:26 to come out with a sub $30,000 EV with greater than 240 miles of range. Sub 30? Sub 30. Who do you think it will be? Do you want to know who our bets are on before you place your bet? Sure. So I bet on Tesla.
Starting point is 00:13:42 I bet on Toyota. And Hayato bet on Hyundai. I was going to guess Hyundai. I think Hyundai is a really good choice. Actually, I went Toyota after just not wanting to be the same guess as Hayato, but I really like Hyundai. I was actually going to guess Hyundai too, because their cars are already this year starting to look really futuristic-esque,
Starting point is 00:14:02 and they're really good at making cheap cars. Also, real quick, Adam, you didn't get to join in on this. Do you want to quickly throw a guess out? Okay, he says he would have also said no. So odds got to be lower on that because you guys are all in on it. We also don't have a punishment for this or anything. Well, we never have punishments.
Starting point is 00:14:20 Yeah, we should. We have a hot sauce bet going on. On the F-150. Oh boy. Oh boy. boy no i think i think we'll expect a bunch of new ev stuff and obviously we'll be covering it too we have autofocus we have the videos we're planning on making more ev stuff in general god i wish i could show you guys the package we got today because it's it's i'll just leave it at that we have a lot more car focused stuff in the works it's great next year is going to be great stay tuned for it um but yeah i think i think the world of like custom silicon is going to be really interesting the world of
Starting point is 00:14:49 also low-key maybe i'm just tossing this at you but mirrorless cameras like i feel like we kind of got a little bump up in the last year of like a lot of really good interesting mirrorless cameras i do think that yeah i think that mirrorless cameras have sort of like almost saturated their potential specs without computational photography features so i could see 2022 being a year where finally phone computational photography features start getting added to mirrorless cameras i would like that a lot yeah because i think they have a longer like development cycle anyway yeah so maybe if they started it a couple of years ago. They could already be in the works.
Starting point is 00:15:26 Yeah. And I also want to say, I really hope that 2022 is as exciting as 2021 was for tech, because I honestly think this year was like, there's so much this year, whether it was from like M1 Pro, M1 Max stuff or like, you know just somewhat so many new product categories it felt like yeah sometimes i look back like obviously it's december so we'll look back at the year we just had and i i remember like oh that was this year yeah oh that was also this year and we just had so much we just looked at the youtube sort of stat re-watch of like youtube just emailed me a bunch of stats from the past year and it it said January was our most viewed month of the year.
Starting point is 00:16:06 I was like, what do you mean January was the last year? Have you ever heard of October before? October, Techtember, they're all a thing. And then I look back and it was like, we had S21 Ultra, we had, well, the whole S21 line, but just a bunch of stuff all sort of launched, and CES, it was just kind of a
Starting point is 00:16:21 bunch of, a wave of stuff all happened in January. So, yeah, it was a good year yeah it was a great year and for my life personally I'm happy now just wanted you to know that that's a good time thank you rate us five stars on Apple Podcasts that was such a good way that was a great way to end this one
Starting point is 00:16:37 one star equals one more happiness for me wait but don't rate it one star each star each star got it one star no I mean what each star each individual okay I got like one like equals one okay you know happiness you better not tank our ratings dude thank you so much for joining us we'll see you next year oh saying it. So easy. It is easy. It feels weird. Oh my God. Yeah, we're talking future now.
Starting point is 00:17:11 This is 2022 now we're talking about. So you mentioned in the last one you saw Rivian as like a really interesting polarizing thing in the tech world that caught your eye. That was pretty cool. And I think you mentioned Astro Bot, which was pretty sick. I'm glad it got its mention. Now we're looking forward. What are you looking forward to or maybe hoping for or predicting
Starting point is 00:17:33 in the tech world somewhere in 2022? Another obvious answer is like iMac Pro is probably going to come out with M1 chips. That's yeah. That's 27-inch iMac Pros. There's the 24-inch iMacs, but I think iMac Pro will come out next year in 27-inch. A little bit of black bezels, like professionals can get their own iMacs again. No, there's a lot of... Actually, the rumors have been starting to wind up a little bit about iMac Pro.
Starting point is 00:18:04 M1 iMac Pro? So it might be like, so we have M1, we have M1 Pro and M1 Max. This will be a larger desktop form factor, and so it would essentially be an even more scaled-up version, kind of like two M1 Maxes with each. It would be that many cores and that many GPU cores, but it would probably have a new name. And so it would have, many cores and that many GPU cores, but it would probably have a new name. And so it would have obviously immense power.
Starting point is 00:18:26 We're hoping it'll look something like a Pro Display XDR because if it's a Pro thing, it would be a little more boxy, black front bezels, probably a webcam built in. This would be like the dream machine that I'm describing. I don't know exactly what it'll look like, but I do think that's slotted for 2022. I think we can expect that. Yeah, I feel like I feel like on the range of products for professionals right now, you have like the Mac Pro, which is like.
Starting point is 00:18:54 Kind of more powerful than you need to be as far as like where the pricing is at, and then you have like the iMacs, the new MacBook Pros are in there, too. But I feel like you don't have a mid-tier iMac Pro. There's something that needs to fall in there for professionals. It's like a desktop computer. So pushing MacBook Pros aside, like the desktop, there needs to be another in-between between iMac and Mac Pro, I think. No, I think so too.
Starting point is 00:19:20 And I think that's probably also where the price is going to be. We see the $6,000 to $12,000 Mac Pro setups and we see the $1,500 Mac Pro. There's a clear MacBook Pro priced desktop that can live somewhere in there, probably like $3,000-ish range that professionals are very willing to pay because of how much work they do on it
Starting point is 00:19:40 and how much money they make from their machines. So I think that's going to be a good one. That kind of ties to something I'm looking forward to too but i'll mention that later i'll say from my prediction i feel like i feel like david kind of stole my answer of uh i feel like evs are gonna be insane like we've been talking a lot about like the maki just going off with seeing it all around town there's taxis now but you got like the Rivian I feel like
Starting point is 00:20:10 Electrify America is going to have to step up their game next year just with this many EVs getting purchased like they're just going to have to make a better network to catch up yeah that's all I got they've made some really interesting
Starting point is 00:20:26 steps since even since our video like I think I remember them obviously wanting to know more about the uptime of their
Starting point is 00:20:35 chargers without officially supporting it through their tech so they'll have like people going to each charger one by one and reporting the uptime
Starting point is 00:20:43 whether it's still working or not something we have to keep an eye on because they want the uptime, whether it's still working or not. Something we have to keep an eye on because they want to make their stuff better. I'm sure that's not just a money question. Like they have to spend the money, but they have to have the right ideas to make their network more usable for road trips,
Starting point is 00:20:56 which is obviously a bigger question and probably easier said than done. So that's something I'm going to keep my eye on too. And maybe we'll do a, who knows, part two? Part two, part two, gasolina versus electric. Are you down? Truck.
Starting point is 00:21:08 I'm always down, especially when you got that pod podcast, uh, quizzes or whatever it is. Yep. Quiz weekly. All right. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:17 We'll just start planning it now. Maybe we'll do, maybe we'll do like a truck. We'll go pick Tim up after the holidays. We'll do like a, like a Rivian versus, I don't know, Cybertruck versus F-150 Lightning. I don't know. We'll figure it out.
Starting point is 00:21:32 But yeah, that's for sure in the cards. Thanks for joining us, Tim. That's a look into our future. Yeah, thanks. Thanks so much, Tim. We're going to take a quick break. And when we get back, we're going to bring Michael who does our motion graphics. With Uber Reserve,
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Starting point is 00:22:51 from the past year. What are you looking forward to for this year, for 2022? Any tech you're looking forward to? Any things you're predicting maybe might happen or show up? I think for me, it's not so much a prediction, but I'm just curious. I'm just curious to see where desktops go in the future. I don't know if it's 2022 or beyond, but with, we were talking in the last episode a lot
Starting point is 00:23:14 about the new MacBook Pro and just how much power you can put in your backpack basically to carry around. Um, like I know the desktops will always need to exist for a certain like percentage of professionals but like if I don't feel like I need a desktop then probably a lot of other professionals in my field or in our field or similar fields might also not feel like they need a desktop so at what point you know will a photographer need a desktop anymore will like uh you know i don't know it's just interesting to see like it maybe some people will still prefer
Starting point is 00:23:51 to have that level of like power and stability and um all of that but i don't know i just i'd be curious to see like i know it's been a slow to slow decline i mean like when we were all kids it was like you had your desktop computer in your house and that was the thing but and like even like high school and stuff like that you were you had a school computer and a home computer and like obviously that transition has happened slowly over time but i feel like it's happening faster and faster i think that's an interesting way to frame it. I feel like we've always needed desktops for a couple specific reasons, one of them being computing power.
Starting point is 00:24:31 If you need over a certain level of wattage or a certain amount of power, you had to have a desktop. And that's been actually my biggest tether to a desktop is I need a certain amount of power. And then usually the other is the size of your screen or the amount of ports, you know, just physical constraints of like the size of a laptop. And I wonder how many people today use a desktop
Starting point is 00:24:53 because of those constraints versus preference. Like if you could give those same people a MacBook Pro with all the power in the world and a monitor, would they use that and accomplish exactly the same stuff, or are there still a huge percentage of people who require a desktop for the power it gets?
Starting point is 00:25:13 I don't know what that landscape looks like. I could probably talk to people like Linus and get a better idea. If you put gamers into this, it's a whole different story. Gamers will still be looking at graphics. They'll always be looking at desktops exactly but also gamers aren't going to the cafe to game so like they don't need that portability anyway exactly right so yeah that's a that's an interesting way i you know we talked about uh imac pro briefly i think also with tim where we're like okay we know
Starting point is 00:25:38 it's probably coming out in the next year or so and i'm going to talk about my own mac pro apple silicon expectations but i think uh i think i'm'm going to talk about my own Mac Pro, Apple Silicon expectations. But I think I'm always going to be a desktop person just because I prefer to have the most possible power. And there is still a difference between the most power you can get in a laptop and in a desktop. And as long as that difference exists,
Starting point is 00:25:59 here I am, a desktop guy. But yeah, I am curious about that. I think people will still also want, like, it's almost like if you're using your computer for work entirely, I feel like there is that separation of, of work and life where you have, you have your desk. I feel like I've even seen it with like your workflow Marquez, where you used to have desktop at your desk. If you're not in the studio, you can't help, you can't do anything. But now you have your laptop and you're home and it's 9 p.m on a thursday and you're like oh i forgot to render that thing out or michael needs this clip um you can technically do it versus before you couldn't so that's going
Starting point is 00:26:35 to be an interesting distinction as well of like will people still say i prefer a desktop because that's just one level of like separation too. I don't know. Yeah. No, it definitely does represent that for me. Like I would always have a place that I go to get that sort of work done. And so that work is always tied to that place because the desktop doesn't move. Yeah. It'll be interesting to follow,
Starting point is 00:26:57 especially with all the silicon getting better and the GPUs getting better. We'll maybe see some shifts in that world. And maybe gamers will start gaming on laptops way more than they have in the past. I mean, I think it will happen eventually. One thing that, not to rant too long on this, but I always think about how gamers still haven't really gone down to even smaller towers anymore.
Starting point is 00:27:18 You still see so many with like, I mean, I have a smaller compact-sized tower, but it still is like people with a ton of money will still buy these full blown tower PCs to just get literally every ounce of power out of it possible. And I don't see that going away anytime soon. A lot of that is just a physics question too. It's like the more airflow you want,
Starting point is 00:27:38 the bigger space you have to have. The more thermal envelope you want, the more space you have to have. And like, obviously the more wattage you need to push, all of these are just physics questions. So yeah, desktops still own that right now. Kind of like the difference between smartphones and mirrorless cameras, like the power users who use mirrorless cameras.
Starting point is 00:27:56 You know, we get the software features in the smartphones to sort of add the depth of field and blur in the background. But like, at a certain point, if you want the shot, you have to have the big camera yeah for sure word all right well that's our that's our uh future look yeah i think we'll we'll keep an eye on a lot of this stuff we'll talk more about apple silicon in a in a upcoming segment i'm sure plenty for the rest of our lives it'll keep keep happening, but that's been it. It'll never end. Thanks for being the motion graphics wizard. Appreciate you.
Starting point is 00:28:28 And now I'll talk to you next year. Okay, sounds good. Bye. Take it easy, Michael. Thanks for coming. All right, Vin and Brandon, welcome back. We're talking future 2022. Now, we've already had a bunch of future we've had a bunch of uh
Starting point is 00:28:48 predictions do you guys in the cinematography world or maybe just in tech in general have any tech or gadgets or anything really that you're looking forward to or hoping for in 2022 i want a 27 inch or 32 inch-inch Pro Display XDR 120 hertz. Make it happen, Apple. Ah, same. But put the chip inside so I can do like an external GPU kind of thing. That would be sick, right? Oh, interesting.
Starting point is 00:29:16 Because there's a rumor going around. Like an iMac that needs a... What would you call that? Like a Pro Cinema Display that has like an external GPU. Yes. like a pro cinema display that has like an external GPU yes so Apple has that ability uniquely to just like tie that in with their hardware they have the Apple Silicon already they already know what they can do via Thunderbolt
Starting point is 00:29:35 and if they wanted to build in literally it would kind of act like a dock it would act like an external GPU inside of the monitor and you would have extra GPU power when you're plugged into your desktop and then you unplug it and you're on the go with the MacBook Pro. Because the M2 chip is supposed to be like a double M1
Starting point is 00:29:52 Max chip, right? Something like that. Yeah, that's the rumor. Which is already hilariously powerful. And probably pretty sick. The best vinyl cut machine. Yeah, that would be... I'm super about that. Also, aesthetically, are you picturing the same thing as me, which is like basically a black Pro Display XDR,
Starting point is 00:30:09 maybe a little thicker, maybe a little smaller, basically like that? Yeah. Maybe without the $1,000 stand. Yeah, I think they probably should have a stand. The $2,000 stand is the external GPU enclosure. It's built into the stand? Oh my God. Then it would actually be worth $1,000.
Starting point is 00:30:27 We should not give them these types of ideas. Not aesthetically pleasing enough. Oh, they made it just like the cheese grater like on the back. That sounds awesome. I'm just going to tape a cheese grater to the back of your monitor. Don't do it.
Starting point is 00:30:40 My answer actually goes hand in hand with this. I'm actually looking forward to the revival of the iMac Pro. Because there's been a lot of rumors here. And the iMac Pro is a form factor that I really believe in. Mostly because I want a desktop to be a desktop. I don't really want to dock my MacBook at home. I want to have my computer at home, my desktop setup
Starting point is 00:31:06 that I don't have to futz with. I can just leave it, have it be powerful, etc. I was hoping the 24-inch M1 iMac would suffice. It doesn't really. I can make it through
Starting point is 00:31:21 a little bit of Final Cut Pro before it starts to show its limitations. Listen, those colorful iMacs are really, really good daily machines. Yeah. But we're not out here throwing red coat raw at like your daily living room machine. Actually, it was kind of funny being in some of those briefings the way they described how they wanted people to use them where we're like, okay, describe why these have white bezels white bezels and they're like well so when you move it to your
Starting point is 00:31:48 kitchen it blends in with the tile and we're like oh whoa okay so this is this is like your family you don't want to move your red code edits between you know it's it's a family computer i probably won't be doing some hardcore editing but i'm with you i am a desktop as a desktop type person like i need the station yeah and when i'm at the station i know what i'm with you i am a desktop as a desktop type person like i need the station yeah and when i'm at the station i know what i'm doing which is work interesting i imagine that also probably has high refresh rate i would hope probably has that big chip a little extra ram and maybe even a we're talking probably 5k at least maybe 6k display looking like a pro display hopefully xdr yeah yeah that would be nice i'm looking forward to it i'll talk more about my we're talking probably 5k at least maybe 6k display looking like a pro display hopefully
Starting point is 00:32:25 xdr yeah yeah that would be nice i'm looking forward to it i'll talk more about my desktop predictions a little bit later but i think that's a safe bet for spring which is going to be exciting here's hope that's pretty early i think that's a safe bet i mean we bet apple promised what a two-year transition right so this is the need to make our own like chip shortage tech there is a chip shortage and i guess that was predicted before the chip shortage started but seeing how apple's been sort of churning along with m1 and m1 max now i think they're on their way we'll see yeah i like it we hope so don't disappoint us marcus soon soon alright so that's been the team yeah which leaves us
Starting point is 00:33:09 with our 2022 predictions or things we're looking forward to I kind of have a couple maybe I'll just drop them in random order I'd like to hear yours first I went first last time
Starting point is 00:33:19 you go first okay fair so I've got a couple things one for the channel and for the podcast I predict and I hope that we do more collaboration yeah Okay, fair. So I've got a couple things. One, for the channel and for the podcast, I predict and I hope that we do more collaboration.
Starting point is 00:33:29 Yeah. I don't think we did nearly enough collaboration in videos. I think we had a lot of fun when we did, whether it's visiting Mr. Beast in his studio or grabbing Neil deGrasse Tyson for 25 minutes to talk about Moon Rocks. I think every time we're able to bring in the appropriate talent or creator, it is so much fun and it makes the video way better and i think we'll do that more both on the main channel and on the podcast in 2022 and i think bringing in people like that
Starting point is 00:33:55 that aren't tech specific like it's always fun to collaborate with tech specific but it's really fun when we can find a tech-based video that can bring in a non tech based YouTuber and bring in more content. Loop it all together. Yeah, for sure. So that's my sort of creative goal slash foresight. And my other tech thing that I'm looking forward to, since I know people want to know this, is I think we see the completion of the Apple Silicon mac upgrade cycle which means not just an imac pro in spring but hopefully a mac pro in the fall both next year both i mean i hope both obviously but i'm thinking you had to pick which one comes first imac pro of course so if only one comes out next year it's on my next week next i wish next week yeah okay it'll be iMac Pro but I have such high
Starting point is 00:34:47 hopes for the Apple Silicon desktop and really this is part of the challenge which is like okay I've really enjoyed this 16 inch MacBook Pro this is such a good problem to have I could just switch everything over to this machine and plug the laptop into a pro display and that would be my new desktop setup but I know that i'm going to regret not waiting for the desktop which will have more power more storage more modularity and will just sit under my desk and do everything i want it to if they continue down the path that they've been going this will be my favorite tech of 2022 i just have to keep waiting just like i did for the last couple mac pros. And this should be the one.
Starting point is 00:35:26 So that's what I'm looking forward to. I hope you don't have to wait as long as you did for the last Mac Pro. The last Mac Pros were a little bit weirdly over and underwhelming. Like remember the trash can Mac Pro? Like we waited so long for a new Mac Pro and then it was this absurd Darth Vader looking
Starting point is 00:35:41 single fan, like weird. It was the craziest, weirdest thing. And we're just like, oh, okay, this is very different, very new. Let's just jump right in. And it turned out to not be all that, but we sort of, it had its run in my workflow for a little while there. Now we have this new Mac Pro, which is a tower and that's what we're all really hoping for. And it does a lot and it's very powerful.
Starting point is 00:36:03 But now Apple Silicon, it's just eating all of the intel lineup alive and i have no question that the last remaining puzzle piece which is the desktop the xeon chip the 768 gigs of ram in my computer like let's let's get an apple silicon version please so ready for that that's awesome yeah uh that'll be great. More for you. You're doing a lot more video editing than I am. But like, I always love seeing that. I always love having faster export times. It always makes us more efficient and gets more videos out.
Starting point is 00:36:35 So whether you like Apple or not, if you like the channel, you should be liking M1 stuff because it helps us. Here's a random out of the blue prediction. There's going to be a new apple monitor with higher refresh rate with higher refresh rate yeah i still don't know if i'm full well like oh maybe this is just like the the gamer gatekeeper in me but i like i don't know how much difference 120 hertz makes on monitors for when people aren't like playing games and doing videos that are doing, that are at a frame rate,
Starting point is 00:37:08 half of what a 60 Hertz is. It's more of, it's a lot of the same stuff I talk about in phones where like, yes, when you're in an application, but even just like scrolling around the mouse, moving around the mouse on the track pad, doubling the frame rate from 60 makes a big difference in just overall smooth
Starting point is 00:37:22 feel when I'm moving around the final cut timeline. Of course that matters. But when I'm just scrolling in safari when it finally finishes supporting it like that's huge too so i'm hoping slash expecting we get a new desktop and a new monitor to go with the desktop so there it is out of nowhere left all right let's see i have i have a tech hopeful prediction maybe Maybe not so much a prediction, but this is just something that I feel like is overdue. We need to... DJI has been making...
Starting point is 00:37:52 I'm just going on drones again because I've been thinking about it since the FBV thing. DJI clearly makes the best drones out there, and they're making a bunch of really cool things. But after FPV drone, like Mavix turned into... They used to have all these different sizes, but now they're just fitting such cool things into such a small size. The thing about drones that feel the furthest behind our battery life.
Starting point is 00:38:13 I, we need to start getting some drones with like 40 minutes of battery life to an hour of battery. I would love, love, love if DJI could just put out a Mavic air or Mavic 2 or whatever they're called these days, and it has 40 minutes of battery life, that would be wild. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:29 It kind of feels like kind of how the smartphone usage is built around one day of battery life, where it would be nice to have a week of smartphone battery, but we've built so much of our lives around it lasting one day. You've got a charger next to your bed. You've got a charger at your desk at work. And it's to the point where like when you buy a drone, you get multiple batteries and a multi-battery charger and you're just expected to just land it
Starting point is 00:38:54 and swap it out and take it off again. But it would be nice to have like an hour long battery. I feel like it's easier to say like one day is okay because you have a very specific time there for it to be not using it and charging it where 20 minutes is just brutal yeah they're like they're like 30 to 35 now is where i'm seeing the higher end ones and i'm sure i've never gotten that so the film ones the highest end dji film ones which have a bunch of heavy lithium ions no no way above the mavic but they're like supposed to carry like like a like a mirrorless camera oh okay they'll be good for like a half hour of flight which is really good but it's
Starting point is 00:39:30 still only half an hour yeah and I'm I know they're I'm pretty sure the reason is it's just like at a certain point weight when it comes to flying is super important and that's just the we don't have the advancements in technology for batteries to change that yet, but figure it out. Battery density. Yeah, you know, just do it. Come on. Battery density applies to more than just drones. If they can solve that for drones, they also just solved electric cars.
Starting point is 00:39:58 500 miles of range is a battery density question at this point. Lucid Air, new drone. We're all on it. Everyone's in this together. All right. I'm going to do a prediction for the channel, at this point lucid air new drone we're all on it everyone's in this together um all right prediction for i'm gonna do a prediction for the channel and this is in 2022 i am going to get marquez to play some sort of games on a live stream whether it is a studio channel and we're doing like mario party whether i can just convince there's no way i'll get him to play valor but if
Starting point is 00:40:22 i can convince him to play some new shooter there will be some sort of fun game and enough of us here at the office now that I will get Marquez to play a game on a live stream somewhere does Among Us count I mean Among Us is a little old now come on what is this 2021 does it not count it's a game it counts yeah
Starting point is 00:40:39 oh you're saying you played it already no I will play that okay I already will play it but there will be we all know in 22, there will be that Among Us Fall Guys, like super hype game that's super simple and fun. And we need to set up some sort of a live stream and have like a fun studio channel game night. All right.
Starting point is 00:40:56 We'll have a Andrew teaches Marquez insert game here. I would love that as well. When that game comes out, Andrew teaches Marquez, insert game here. There was once where I taught, one morning I taught you PUBG for like an hour and that was super fun. And then I got into a battle royale
Starting point is 00:41:13 where I guess you kind of get seated among people of equal ability, but I was a very low ability. And so I just got really, really bad bots and I felt really good about getting to like top 30. That's awesome. But it was just really bad bots. That's fun. Games are fun at every level. That's the best part about them.
Starting point is 00:41:28 It was fun. It was definitely fun. Alright. I like that. I like that prediction. I think we can actually say it this time. I think we can actually say it this time. You do it. You say it. You want me to say it? Don't put it out on me. I'll say it. See you next year. Waveform was produced by Adam Molina.
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