Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Tech We'd Like to See Improved!

Episode Date: July 5, 2024

This week, Marques, Andrew, and David discuss a few quick news items including Instagram's "Made By AI" tag and a new app that makes the trash can on Mac a little more realistic. Then we bring back the "Wish List" segment by ranking the ones you all submitted to us! After that we wrap it all up with trivia. It's a fun one! Links:  Bananabin app: https://bit.ly/3zx5b56 Instagram Made with AI: https://bit.ly/45UomBU Pixel 9 Google AI Story: https://bit.ly/4eQoPJd Pixel Using iPhone Display: https://bit.ly/4cr7R2N Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Socials: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It doesn't work. It still doesn't work. So how do you do it from your phone? So I airdrop it to my phone and upload it from my phone. Dang. And then I copy and paste whatever I was going to use as a caption from the desktop to the phone. How does Mr. Beast do it with his full videos? Honestly, I don't know.

12 people doing it? I tried in Safari, Chrome, and Arc. It's just broken as hell. Dang. Have you tried Mozilla? I have not. Yo, just saying. The Firefox love from last episode, fantastic.

Although all of them feel very good about Firefox for probably real reasons, when mine is just like, I don't want to change, and I don't really know why. You're just like, I don't know, man, I kind of like it. What is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're all back. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew.

And I'm David. All three of us in the same space at the same time. Wow. It's been a minute. On today's episode, we are bringing back the wish lists. We've done this previously. I forgot how many episodes ago we did this, but we have something that we like a lot,

but want one thing to be different about. And boy, do we have a lot. Or something that we don't lot, but want one thing to be different about. And boy, do we have a lot. Or something that we don't like because it needs one thing. Yeah. And we got a bunch of suggestions from you guys as well that we're going to go over and maybe like rate them a little or rank them. We'll see.

We'll get there. But before that, we got a couple of quick hits from news because there wasn't no news. We can't just go right into the fun part of the pod. We got to dissect some of the crazy things that happened in the news in the week since our last podcast what happened i found a fun little app while reading the verge that i just thought was funny and wanted to shout out it's called banana bin did any of you guys see this i did i thought this was so cool it's basically a program that you can put on mac os

where if you're always forget to empty your trash can it's a little animation where you can set it into three different modes between 10 megabytes one gigabyte or 10 gigabytes and if the trash can reaches that level then these flies start flying around the trash can on the bottom just to remind you that it's probably time to empty your trash because it's rotting down there i love this i love that are three, there are names for these modes. 10 megabyte max is janitor mode. You're always cleaning up. You're on top of your stuff. One gigabyte max. Okay. You're the recycler. You know, you got a bunch of word docs in there, but don't worry about that. But then you get some big files. Uh, 10 gigabyte max is the garbage hoarder. Oof. Not looking at anybody. Middle school kids bedroom. Yeah. There's a lot of

stuff in your trash can there's some flies around it i definitely fluctuate between garbage hoarder and the minimalist that first one 10 gigs in our world of media is probably very easy to have on your trash i bet all of us at some point in the last month have had more than 10 gigs in our trash i am both i obsessively empty the trash every day and you still but it regularly has hundreds of gigs of stuff in it that's why you need to empty it every day exactly yeah last no two weeks ago i checked my trash and i had well over a terabyte i had closer to two terabytes than one terabyte That's just taking up space on your drive. Well, not after I hit the empty button.

Two terabytes? I feel like... Dude, that's like three seconds of Red Raw. Yeah, true. You know what? I was going to say, Banana Bin needs something for that where if it's like a terabyte,

like a tentacle comes out and starts reaching around, like, please, God. Yeah, that's another level wait there's a weird behavior and i i don't know if it's just mac os but if you have an sd card for example and you pull a bunch of things off the sd card and delete them they go to the recycling bin and then you eject the sd card all of that stuff in the recycling bin stays there but becomes invisible when you eject the card and still takes up space on my drive.

And when I plug the SD card back in, it says it's empty, but I can't put anything on it because it's still full because the stuff that's in my recycling bin is still taking up space. Has anybody else had this problem? It's like linked to it. It's like linked to it.

And until I empty my trash, I can't put anything on the drive. That's really annoying. It's very annoying. I've seen something like empty my trash, I can't put anything on the drive. That's really annoying. It's very annoying. I've seen something like that before and I don't know why, but also in this article from The Verge about this, they said like it doesn't work quite well

when you have drives coming in. I'm assuming because it gets confused with how that's all working and not knowing how much is like in there versus, yeah, I don't know. But it's a free app i think you have to like sign up you have to email them right now and they are going to charge a little bit in the future but i just thought it was funny i'd pay a couple bucks for that yeah i'll continue

obsessively emptying my trash yeah i want to point out that my trash can is currently empty same no flies here no fly zone was going to say the same thing. Great minds. Okay, what is this Instagram AI thing? Because this has been getting a lot of attention. Okie dokie. Here we go. So, a while ago.

Is this big of a deal? I think I wrote this down in here, and then I think I had the tab open. I was like, David, we'll have plenty to say about this. Yeah. It all starts with Sputnik. 1986. So a number of months ago when Dolly came out and all of these AI image generators started to get more popular and Adobe started coming out with Firefly and all this stuff,

a bunch of these platforms started to be like, oh, we kind of have some sort of responsibility to show users what is AI and what is not AI. So Instagram, owned by Meta, who also has an AI image generator and therefore has even more of a responsibility to somehow tag things as AI, just decided that on Instagram, they were going to basically look at the metadata of images that were uploaded. And if there was traces of this was AI generated generated then we're going to tag it as such the problem is that Adobe in also an effort to tag things as AI because they also

offer an AI image generation platform now puts like all the this kind of metadata inside of exported images for many different functions in photoshop so in my opinion this should only be added to the metadata if you like fully generate an image but they're putting them that in the metadata for generative fill for i don't know resizing for for some reason liquify tool it's kind of unclear it's kind of unclear like what they added it for all i know is that a number of my friends who are specifically film photographers have been getting the made with ai tag stamped on their photos which are you know because they just made basic edits in lightroom because everyone edits their pictures but they have told me that they didn't even use any of the like new ai features

like generative fill or any of this kind of stuff but for some reason adobe is so hell-bent on making sure that there's some sort of tag in the metadata that they are still labeling this as made with ai and the instagram tag for an ai generated image or whatever is just made with ai which obviously causes a ton of confusion because if you just did some basic color adjustments and edits and then it got tagged made with ai it's like no the image was not made with ai maybe Maybe there was like... Well, it was. It was made with... You know how it's like includes 100% juice? Yeah. Made with apple juice. It was made with AI, but it wasn't made with AI.

Yeah. Yeah, it should be like includes some AI edits or something. Yeah. Anyway, a lot of people got very pissed at this because it was basically causing misinformation. A lot of my photographer friends were like, I did not make this with AI. I don't know what you're talking about.

And so Instagram has now swapped out the tag. Doesn't make it a lot better. Now it just has a little tag that says AI info. And then you click on it and it gives a little description of like, here's the reasons that we tagged this AI info and it could have been used with generative fill or it could have been made as a as a model as an image generation model um yeah so i don't know

they swapped it out it's better than made with ai but it's still pretty frustrating because again i've had friends that literally just use the crop tool and now it says made with ai and so the only way to seemingly get around this, if you're using an Adobe product to edit your photos is to like take a screenshot of your pictures and then upload that to Instagram, which is very frustrating. Sounds insane to us, but you'd be shocked

how many people do that. I think it's frustrating, but like it's erring on the side of caution because I'd much rather have a lot of people see some photos that aren't edited with AI and be like maybe there are AI then nothing being labeled at all and then a bunch of AI created misinformation photos with no warnings at all yeah like I think that's the far more dangerous thing than being like oh this isn't a real photo yeah i mean it's even worse on facebook it's worse i would the first thing i saw with this is like this needs to be on facebook because

facebook yeah is just just all ai generated like rage bait right which is surprised surprising to me that they have this on instagram and not facebook because it's a way worse problem on facebook it is yeah yeah i it's also like there's a tag, but is there also some distribution change associated with it? Maybe they won't tell us, but like if your Instagram and you've identified an image as made by AI, do you then

not share it as widely? Oh. I don't know. I don't know. I don't think they would probably tell us the answer. Yeah, not sure. Not sure. But that would be annoying if you're a photographer who crops their photo and suddenly you're getting restricted because you cropped it. Exactly. Yeah.

Yeah. And just having a tag that's like, this was made with AI when you've been like sharing images for years and. It sucks to have that tag. I think it sounds like Adobe needs to do a better job at the metadata. Yeah. Provided in there. Because like I, I understand cropping color correction whatever none of that

should ever be anywhere close to ai where's the line that's the hard part because you can't say you can't say completely made with ai because you can have a photo and then have sections of a photo that are like ai generated inside erase someone from the background should it say made with ai this is such a hard yeah i think edited with ai or includes ai elements might be better i guess my only worry with that is is then like when it is somebody trying to create something majoritively made of ai because it's fake how do they skirt around that and be like oh well yeah it's just part of it's edited with ai when really they're the ones trying to cause harm and actually yeah it's a part of it's edited with ai when really they're the ones trying to cause harm and actually yeah it's a it's complex because like they have they've had content aware fill for a

really long time and now they add a generative fill and most people use generative fill just as a better version of content aware fill but you can add wholly new elements to the photo if you type in a description. But otherwise, it's just a better version of content-aware fill. So is content-aware fill not AI, but generative fill is AI, even if you don't...

If you use it for the same thing. Yeah, if you use it for the same thing. Just fill in some trees behind something you erased. Yeah, or it's usually getting rid of some dust spots or something in your film. I don't know. But what's funny is like it seems like they're leaning the cautious way but then like you said not putting

it on facebook yeah where it's being used so much worse it's so much worse which is crazy if you're going to be cautious be cautious where you need to be cautious i don't just all of this kind of sucks and it's another thing that sucks for the people who use things responsibly because of the people who use things not responsibly yeah yep it's always got to ruin it for the rest of us yeah marquez when you were like where should the line be and it made me think about this sort of fun fact that uh is if you are an actual historian please and add more details in the comments because I know this is like, I'm going to gloss over a lot here.

But there's a lot of really famous pictures of Abraham Lincoln that are completely doctored. Like his head superimposed on other people's bodies because his body was so weird. And these pictures are like all over history textbooks and like hanging in the White House and stuff like that. So even before AI, things have been even before Photoshop or the computer or like, I don't I guess electricity was a thing. But stuff has been seriously doctored.

I mean, it used to be paintings before that. And an artist could paint someone however they wanted. Yeah, this is a true. What is a photo. Yeah, well, when Marques said that before, I was like, quick, quick, move on, move on. We don't need to get into the photo. Maybe we can just link the what is a photo episode here

and you can go listen to that part now. If you have an eight-hour car ride. Yeah. I also want to say, I totally, I'm not trying to say this doesn't suck for photographers. I just get the both sides of it. But this sucks when you take a real photo and now it says AI made. I get it.

Like there's so many, so many things that are just being flooded with AI slop. Like even Adobe's own, they have this image section where you can like, if you have a license with Adobe, you can download different stock images adobe stock is what it's called and now more than half of it is just ai generated images and they all look like garbage and there's no way to filter it out and they all have really garbled text that you can't see anything because they had this thing where like you could use adobe firefly to generate an image and then you could put it on adobe stock and sell it and then that became like the drop shipping of the 2024 basically i just generated thousands

of images and listed them all for a dollar and people might buy them except they're like 60 dollars jesus yeah i think adobe stock 2 has to be approved don't they you have to like submit it if they have to be approved then they're not doing a very good job of figuring out what's good and what's not because most of that stuff you literally there are there's text on it that is illegible or like has random letters and it's really really bad and there's no way to filter it out so in so many ways like all of this ai stuff is just like clogging the internet in so many formats and i feel like i don't know that we do need to do that dead internet theory episode because this is a major part of it yeah yeah in their defense though to play devil's advocate if i was adobe i would 100 be doing the same thing everything is getting slapped with that

metadata that's over indexed yeah like i'm not taking any chances you're not gonna blame me on this the other funny thing about it though is like the people who would actually see those tags and care about them are probably the ones who are getting it tagged on them when they're not using it and then the people who are dumb enough to believe all that are just not seeing that tag at all so yeah everything sucks everything sucks everything's broken now that we're depressed speaking of ai changing a lot of stuff. More AI. Google AI. What a great segue. Yeah.

Google AI. So there is a little new exclusive piece from Android Authority. We'll link it below. Sort of detailing everything we're expecting with Pixel 9 and Google deciding to umbrella everything together into a bucket called Google AI that includes some existing features we've already seen and has some new features that will all probably be announced alongside Pixel 9 in a couple weeks. I think this makes a lot of sense. I made an entire video pretty recently called AI as a feature versus AI as a product. This is very much AI as a feature. We're just giving you a bunch of features on your phone. And so it looks like this.

Basically, circle to search will be inside of Google AI because that's basically what's happening. It's recognizing the image, searching it and using semantics, figuring out what you're looking for, giving you results. Great. Super useful. There's a new one, though, called add me. And we're not really sure how it works but the text says make sure everyone's included in a group photo which could be as creepy or as regular as you're imagining right who knows right i was wondering there's there's two ways this could go yeah there's two ways this could be make sure we're very unclear of what this actually means but google has done some really creepy stuff in the past with image

editing so the creepier way that this could go is say like you're with your friends somebody has to take the picture so you'll photoshop me in yeah i got you exactly so no no i don't want the ai tag on instagram the craziest kind of creepy thing would be if you if you took the photo and it also took a photo with the front facing camera and then somehow created your body AI creates your body stitches you in yeah that's probably not going to happen but also I've seen crazier things it's google I was the defender of the face swap thing um the best shot the best shot face swap is so much better of a name for that that's what's happening um but like so my guess on this would be like you take a group photo but it sees that in the gen the groups of photos you took that day in that location had someone else then would it be

like oh this should this person be in included in the? And then squeeze them over. And I defended face swap. That's weird. I get what you're saying. If we're adding whole new people to things, that's my line. Yeah. Okay, you're on a hike with five people. One guy's got the pixel. He's been taking the group shots of five people over and over again.

And then... Been there, am I right? And then at the end of the hike, he takes like three or four pictures where they're actually in it but it's not all six people obviously and google goes ah i can make sure everyone's in the picture and then just you know morphs together one giant group photo and you're like oh okay now i have a photo of an image of a moment that never really happened but maybe that's useful because now we're on the group photo yeah and i'm just picturing like you got photo bombed a couple times and then they picture like they just add the photo bomber to all your pictures and you're like, what's going on?

Yeah, it could go wrong. It could be creepy. Another option I could see is you're taking a photo with the regular camera and one of the people in the group photo is like slightly cropped out of it because you're trying to cram everybody in. Maybe it takes a photo with the wide angle camera and the main camera and then it magic erasers moves okay or magic edits moves them into the image so that they're all in the frame that'd be my guess because that could i could actually see that happening i feel like that i see how that makes sense.

The name add me sounds like we're adding something that's not. Yeah, add me. Yeah. Add me. Yeah, the naming of that. Add me to the picture. It's like when someone's taking a picture, they're like, yo, add me to that picture. Like, literally add me to the picture. Yeah.

I think it's going to be someone who's completely not in the picture. What is a photo? Yeah, I don't know. I think that's what's happening. This is so weird. But yeah, it's in there. That's under the umbrella of Google AI. But there are a couple more.

Another one is called screenshots. And the text reads, find the info you need from your screenshots. Which, obviously, if you already have screenshots, you can search through them with Google Photos. But I think a lot of people, like me, take a lot of screenshots just to remember things. And people have called this, like like the Microsoft recall of Android, but it's not just constantly looking at what you're doing. It's only with screenshots you take. So boarding passes, whatever.

You probably take screenshots of useful things you need to remember. This is going to be a nice little tool to help find the info in those screenshots. Kind of doesn't seem that different from what happens in photos, but we'll see. Yeah, it sounds like the exact same thing. I don't know that people are speculating that they're going to add like special metadata to the screenshots based on the text and make it easier to index

and search but for some reason you can already do a lot of that semantic searching in google photos yeah they're so indexed already yeah but i'm very great very curious what that means i just found something on my phone yesterday i think that archives screenshots after 30 days now and it's the best thing ever which is good if you never need that information again you never you never need that information again right i needed screenshot i don't know for a while the only screenshot i want to keep is i take a screenshot of my home page with the folders up the apps, because if I accidentally mess an app up and then it's gone and then I cannot figure out how I had it set up until I spend like days second nature and trying to click things. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, the last one is called Studio and the text reads, you imagine it, Pixel creates it. and the text reads, you imagine it, Pixel creates it. So it kind of sounds like just a straight-up image generation tool built into the Pixel, kind of like the AI Image Playgrounds app we just saw Apple add to the iPad and the iPhone, or it's just the iPad, I guess. No, I think it's the iPhone, too.

It has a dedicated app on the iPad? It doesn't have a dedicated app on the iPhone, too? Maybe not. I don't know. But same idea. You just type a prompt, and it just makes an image for you. And then TBD, how much creativity it gives you. Is it a couple set styles?

Is it photorealistic? Who knows? But it's just like, hey, we got Dolly and we put it on your phone and now it's called Studio. If it gets something as creepy as the terrified mother from the Apple intelligence event, I can't believe they shipped that. That I would be okay with it. My new favorite slash emoji. The more I look back at that,

the more I'm shocked at that maiden image. That thing is a wild image. Yeah. Wait, can I ask a question that might be dumb and I probably should have asked at the start of this conversation? Wow. The Google, when we're saying coming to Google AI,

is this replacing Assistant? No, I think this is like a new section on your phone where they're just putting all the AI stuff, like an AI section. What? What are you doing, Google? What the fuck is all of this? Also, my normal Assistant now,

every time I do something, it's just like, do you want to do that with Gemini? I'm like, I would if you did it together, but that's like saying, do you want to not use the thing you just did? Do you want to do that with gemini i'm like i would if you did it together but yeah that's like saying do you want to not use the thing you just did do you want to not use me i don't yeah it's hard i mean it's hard to package these features i think no it's no this could all be one thing my favorite thing in here is it says gemini your ai assistant built in but assistant is lowercase so now i know it has nothing to do with assistant i think we're

getting rid of assistant eventually and it's going to be gemini i think so but this weird awkward stage of like i'm dating a new girl but still living with my ex of a gemini assistant is very confusing i agree with that i'm just saying if you're a smartphone company and you have this wide variety of AI features that kind of have nothing to do with each other, how do you inform the user of all of them in one place without burying them in each app? I think it's easier to inform

the user than being like, hey, do you know all these things you like? Well, if you want to use the new stuff, too bad. You can't use the old stuff anymore. I'm just sad because Google has had AI features for literally forever on the pixel yeah every year they introduce new ai features and they don't need to brand it as such well i think that's my theory is people just didn't know about them or use them at all and they built like we know about them we know about circle to search we know about the things like searching

inside of images inside google photos and like all the indexing it does. But do you think regular people do that on a regular basis? Probably not. In this age of AI, Google's kind of trying to shove them all in front of you. Like, look, here's the AI section where we've cleverly named all of these things so you can like poke around and actually find them useful. I think that's what they're trying to do here. I agree with what you're saying about like Gemini and Assistant should be. So here's, I agree with what you're saying about like gemini and assistant should be so here's

i agree with what you're saying as well but i have a question for you does this now make all those people who didn't know about it before know about it i think everyone just skips all this again and i think it's their version of like apple intelligence you know right it's what apple just did with apple intelligence they've grouped it all together and they don't even have a section in the settings app where it's like here's all with Apple Intelligence. They've grouped it all together. And they don't even have a section in the Settings app where it's like, here's all the Apple Intelligence stuff. They just call it Apple Intelligence and then just spread them out through apps.

Like, it's writing tools inside of certain things. It's math notes inside of Calculator. It's Siri. But that's why all this inside of Google Assistant, I think, would make more sense. I don't think math notes is considered Apple Intelligence. That's true. Yeah.

I think a lot of this stuff will be built into gemini and no one will ever find it yeah correct so they're just putting it at the top in an ai bucket so that people find it i think that is a good idea ultimately but and all of our parents will just be like update oh cool and never see this this is better than them never even seeing it true wait i'm maybe misunderstood is this replacing gemini no this thing oh wait have you seen no it is no okay the screenshot is of a like a i guess what they're thinking a leak of this menu will look like. It's just an AI section in the settings and you open it up and it's like,

here are all of the AI things on your phone. And at the top, it's like Gemini and Assistant. And underneath it says circle to search. Here's what you can see on your screen. Underneath it says add me. It's a feature where you can make sure everyone's in your photo. So it's just, here are all the AI features.

And you can probably poke into one and try it out, and it'll give you probably some visual demo of how it works. This is giving me big vibes of like when I have too many things on my desktop, so I create a new folder, drag everything into there, and just call that new desktop. That's exactly what's happening. I usually call it sort later and then never get to it. But if you're a trillion-dollar company, you call it AI.

I guess the question at the real base of this is, where does this screen appear? What is this screen? Is this a thing that pops up when you first start your phone and you're setting it up? When you update your phone later, is this going to set up? Or is this just in the settings somewhere? I'm guessing it's in the settings and it's at setup.

I think setup makes the most sense. You know how on Pixel you'll get that redundant notification that pops up every now and then a persistent notification that's like finish setting up your pixel and you click it and then it just basically tries to teach you how to use your phone add contacts and you just scroll just enough so it stops annoying me about it right because it always pops up unless you do every single thing inside of it yeah so it So it's going to jump in that bucket. Yeah, probably. Now that I'm depressed about that image generation studio, I think that we should take it to trivia.

What a segue. Smooth, like butter. Like butter. Question number one. Banana Bin is one of many useful utility apps for mac os but mac os's close cousin ios has had more than its fair share of useless apps which of the following ios apps is real is a fake app the lighter was super. I don't know what you're talking about. And the gun. Number one, this app is called Blower.

Blower completely juices your iPhone's speaker to the point where it can blow out a small candle. Nothing more, nothing less. App number two,

BOV Turbo. Mount your phone to the windshield or A-pillar of your car and it will use the gyroscope and accelerometer to monitor your car's performance and display a fake turbo boost gauge. This does not add boost to your car. You cannot plug it into your car's computer and monitor real boost. It just has an arbitrary boost value and it will play a sound out of the speaker for turbo lag. C, cookie clicker. I'm just going to read this directly from Wikipedia because I think it explains it so much better than I ever could. The user initially clicks on a big cookie on the screen, earning a single cookie per click. They can then use their earned cookies to purchase assets such as cursors and other

buildings that automatically produce cookies. Upgrades are also available and can improve the efficiency of clicks and buildings, among many other mechanics that allow the user to earn more cookies in different ways. This is a crypto scam. The game lacks a conventional ending. Did Jesse Wu make that? Yeah, exactly. Or D, Chromios.

The game lacks an ending. It's hilarious. The App Store now allows emulators. So what better to emulate than Google's smash hit OS for Chromebooks? That's right. Now you can use all of your favorite Chrome OS apps and experiences. Which are just Android apps. For iOS.

What? That's it. Okay. Well, we'll be thinking about that one for a while. We'll have the answers at the end like we usually do. We'll be right back. This episode is brought to you by HelloFresh. Be honest.

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there's about a bunch of tech that's about to come out but we also kind of want a bunch of tech to exist that doesn't right now and we felt like if we put it out on twitter we could get some more suggestions sorry x it's twitter it's that's my first one x but called twitter it's twitter it's twitter.com it still brings you to twitter.com but we asked you guys on twitter and discord if you had more and boy did you they made a list and they checked it twice it's good stuff so the format of the wish list basically is x but with y that's basically the whole thing i have a piece of tech x that would be amazing if it also had y or if it didn't do this or if it was just different in this one way i kind of just blasted a bunch out on Twitter.

I don't know if we want to start with those. Well, so what was funny is we did this a few episodes ago. Actually, it was like three months ago at this point. But a lot of people really liked it. Someone on our Discord named Abby was like, can we do this? Can we send you ideas? And we were like, oh, that's such a great idea. So we tweeted it for all of our audience too.

And then Marques is like, no, I've got some some and then you rattled off like 10 different things i've probably said all these at some point before yeah so let's do yours first and then we'll go to our audience suggestions okay i want you guys's reactions to if you agree or disagree with these sure i think you'll probably agree with a lot of them okay the first one i said airpods max but with usb type c and you can turn them off i mean there's a lot of other ands and has a real case and can fold and isn't 10,000 pounds yeah but like just give me usb c at least fair yeah extremely fair okay yeah uh logitech mx master 3 but with notched side scrolling can i get an amen amen do you know what i read the other day mx master 3 for lefties apparently they don't make a lefty version of it true yeah i've never thought of that but

that mouse has been like the only recommendation throughout every single one of these channels in our studio and all the lefties out there are feeling left out. It's not an ambidextrous mess at all. It's not. I just remembered something. What? You're a lefty? And I'm totally calling him out, but I don't know if this is weird or not. Oh.

My uncle's lefty, and I remember forever ago going over to his house and using the computer, and he uses the mouse, which is a righty mouse, upside down. Wait. On the right side. Wait wait what do you mean upside down you mean like flipped 180 degrees no no like inverted sing him like like i've seen lefties do that before yeah or with their right hand still right yes with their right hand they tap it with their palm how does that help the clicking i don't know the way people i've seen is like you have your hand a little further down the mouse so you're sort of clicking with the meat of your fingers but and then it

flips your fingers so now all of a sudden the left mouse button's on the right but the vice versa i don't get how that makes but the clickers are on the bottom i don't know i just don't get how you're still using your less dominant hand though that's weird wait he's he's using his right hand? Yeah, it's his right hand, but it's an upside-down mouse. I know plenty of left-handed people who just use a mouse with their right hand. I'm sure every mouse is righty. Most.

Not all of them are. The Magic Mouse is incredible. It's obviously an ergonomic work of art. It's actually the only ambidextrous mouse. Really had to get the space There are actually a lot of ergonomics. Getting it right, clearly. Yeah. um anyway that just popped in my head i just not not side scrolling just because i have this final cut it would be nice can i just say that you tweeted this yesterday yesterday was

it yesterday yeah oh my god you tweeted this yesterday and i literally looked at my mouse and i scrolled the sides and it didn't scrolled the sides, and it didn't notch. I had no idea that it didn't do that. I also did not know that. That's all I can think about. Even though I use it every day. Yeah, I use it all the time. The regular scroll wheel is not.

It's weird that one doesn't, one doesn't, for sure. I'm sure it's a space thing, but yeah, I would like that a lot. Twitter, but with real video tools and analytics. Twitter but with real video tools and analytics I have tried to upload a video from the browser to Twitter every week for three months it doesn't work it still doesn't work so how do you do different phone so I airdrop it to my phone and upload it from my phone dang and then I copy and paste whatever I was gonna use this caption from the desktop to the phone how does mr. beast do it with his full videos honestly I, I don't know.

12 people doing it? I tried in Safari, Chrome, and Arc. It's just broken as hell. Dang. Have you tried Mozilla? I have not. Yo, just saying, the Firefox love from last episode, fantastic. Although, all of them feel very good about Firefox for probably real

reasons, when mine is just like, I don't want to change, and I don't really know why. You're like i don't know man i kind of like it there's a new browser that i got tagged in yesterday that they're building i did see that yeah it's like it doesn't use chromium and it's completely built from the ground up which is kind of interesting it's an open source browser project we will see yeah anyway uh i have a couple more youtube abc thumbnail testing, but pair those thumbnails with titles. I like that idea.

Thousand percent. Simple. I'm sure it's very complicated, but to me it's simple. Titles and thumbnails are paired packaging. Yeah. And if I can only ABC test thumbnails, I need one title that matches all three, which is way harder.

Yeah. So, yeah. It can't be that difficult. I just think it's a very intuitive thing, and I think YouTube knows that that's an intuitive thing, and they're still trying to figure out how to do it. If I had that feature, I would just add not clickbait to the end of one of the titles. Interesting. Just all of them. I think that's the reason we don't have this feature

how the renaissance changed ai photography not clickbait but only half people get it so then they can argue about if it's clickbait or not kid work um base iphone but 120 hertz it's time that's not but that will never have I saw a bunch of people tweet this at us, yeah. I mean, that's... Yeah. They call it pro motion and Apple will stubbornly

not allow it to be on non-pro phones, but come on, bro. It's 2024. Anything called pro is not going on there. Yeah. Slack, but with

working reliable notifications. Yes, please. Which I know is impossible. I get it. It's not going to happen, but's not gonna happen but because we're trying to be realistic here i know high in the sky ideas this is crazy it's wild how many slack notifications i missed because of how bad the notification system is yeah what bro don't you read slack bro didn't you see my slack person i can't wait to someone pull up ellis's slack right

now it's just white straight down i also think that there's an issue where like if you have a computer open that has slack on it and you don't you often don't get a notification on your phone because the computer was like oh you saw that and i was like no i was not at my computer a lot of the other ones are also it's like it shows like three messages in three different channels and you click it and it goes to just whatever your last channel was open yeah and then you don't see anything there and then you have to go find them or you're just like, oh, that was it. And then scroll away. And then you're like-

Or sometimes it says you have like three unread messages in this channel. So you go to it, you read them and then you click off the channel and it still says you have three unread messages in that channel. I just want to put this out there, okay? Because I feel like I am at the tail end

of a lot of Slack-based slander. I've worked here for almost three years. I have never missed a deadline. I have never missed a meeting. this out there okay because i feel like i am at the tail end of a lot of slack based slander i've worked here for almost three years i have never missed a deadline i have never missed a meeting hey i've no no no tag because i am on top of my game okay so what i'm not participating in 35 group chats at once okay i'm here i'm present i'm locked in day in day out baby okay here's another one that i think uh i don't actually care that much about, but I think a lot of people do. Tesla, but with CarPlay slash Android Auto. Every car, but with CarPlay and Android Auto?

Yeah. I mean, a lot of new cars have it, and there's a couple notable ones that don't that would be more appealing to a lot of people if they did have it. I think last time I may have said Rivian, but with Android Auto CarPlay. Rivian's another one. They're stubbornly against it. Lucid caved. They didn't have it, and then they added CarPlay. I don't think Tesla's going to, but.

I do think that if you add CarPlay or Android Auto, you need to add it elegantly. Because I'm trying to remember that one car that added. Lucid. Lucid had a little window. So bad. But I bet it still performs better than the software on the Lucid. It definitely looks better. That's crazy to say out loud.

CarPlay in a cropped rectangular window and a trapezoid screen looks better than your native software that's really depressing that's tough or or then um the mercedes eqs software that looked like it was running windows media player they all do that i like that the mini cooper baby it had the best i mean that's a twerking ai dogs there's no better than that the germans really got to figure it out we hit pki years ago what are we doing yeah last two for me anyway google pixel but with the s24s display specifically the anti-glare coating on the ultra or yes i would like a high-end pixel with the s24 ultras display which everything about it the flatness but also the refresh rate and responsiveness the brightness the anti-reflective coating and it seems seems more durable. I don't have nearly as many visible scratches on this phone

that I feel like I usually have on phones that I've used for this long. I've used this phone for six months. Sounds not that crazy, but in my world, that's crazy. So this is the best display on any phone I've ever used. Marques, I have bad news for you. I'm not shy about that. What? The Google Pixel 9 is reportedly going to use the same display as the iPhone 16 Pro. Okay, so I saw this headline. I think that's also fine. The iPhones have really good screens, really bright screens, really color accurate,

and maybe a little bit more anti-reflective coating this year after what Samsung did with the S24. That turned out to be great. I also want to note that I opened threads yesterday and it fed me a post from someone who had screenshotted your comment to a tweet saying that you use the S24 Ultra and they just posted on threads and they said,

MKBHD uses the S24 Ultra. Interesting. And it had like 5,000 likes. Nice. And I was like, why is this interesting this is not interesting breaking youtuber uses one of the most popular phones what i yeah i took it on my tech man uses tech more more at 11 more at 11 i think a lot of people figured i use a pixel which every it's like every three months i pull the Pixel back out and I'd stare at it.

And then I'd go back to the S24 Ultra. Because it doesn't have DeX. No, it's not about DeX. It's not about DeX. It's the software, man. It's close. If I could do another one, it would be S24 Ultra, but with Pixel software.

But we're already so... There is that pixel launcher that you can run on which gets you 70% of the way there but it's not quite the same for me

yeah last but not least a printer but actually works it works the printer industry would go under

if that was the case so I feel like this is the same. This is a soccer game. I'm sorry. Football. I'm going to get rated. Sorry,

sorry, sorry. Sorry, sorry, sorry. The second shoe is for the printer industry going under. Okay. Got it.

Yeah. Is there, is there an element of like cars get sold, but really they make their money on maintenance at dealerships. Is that the same thing? So is it just ink it's basically the mcdonald's um frosty machine my man thing got it yeah yeah for people that don't well hold on mcflurry machine mcflurry it's the same machine oh you said you specifically i think it's an ice cream i rescind the my man okay okay yeah for those that don't know

there was a big conspiracy that ended up being true where mcdonald's frosty sorry mcflurry machines that was an actual accident uh break constantly and there's a company that just fixes them that is like basically owned by the same people that make them and they have this whole industry where they break on purpose so that they can fund this other company tax things and it's a ridiculous thing

what is the name of the guy on YouTube Johnny Harris most popular video about this but I think it's been covered by a few other YouTubers I think it's like one of his most popular videos ever yeah they are always broken it's not it's not just you so what that's as much as i wrote on twitter in the seven seconds that's it that's like me to come up with those um but we have plenty more from you guys and i think what we should do is just go through some of the best ones and give our reactions to them.

We have 15 pages. Oh. Of suggestions. That's why this is going to be a two segment on the pod this week. So, yeah, I think if anyone wants to find one. I want to just say what tier I think the product would be if it actually happened. Tier the product would be? Yeah.

You have to give the product a tier before and after then? Okay, yeah, perfect. yeah you have to give the product a tier before and after then okay yeah perfect so we're not fully tier listing it but we're kind of just seeing what the tiers would change i'll keep track of the tiers of both oh oh i see what you're saying or we can just do new tier i don't know the chain i'll just let's just say the ideas let's put the ideas in okay like that's an s tier idea okay starting at the top this one says from a mirror s pen support on the cover of the galaxy fold and yeah it's true the galaxy folds s pen only works on the inside screen mind-blowing so i think it would be nice if it worked on the outside especially because

of how much wait really yeah that's exactly what i said yesterday yeah it would be the outside screen is very usable as a regular phone but you you can't use the S Pen on it. What? Can we pick how we're rating these? Because like, to me, right off the bat, this feels like an S tier response

because it is something that makes so much sense. Yeah. It feels like it's not that crazy of an ask, but significantly improves the device. The S24 Ultra S Pen only works on the exterior display, but it's different because it doesn't have to work with a foldable like plastic oled cover thing so so i feel like if you make a pen that can all that can work with something that's really fragile it should be able to work with something that's really not fragile agreed personally i think this is s tier just because

so many of us didn't realize that was even a thing i think that's an s tier i think this is S tier just because so many of us didn't realize that was even a thing. I think that's an S tier reply. I think this is an S tier reply. I'm going to go from all over the list here. Go off, King. I think this is a really good one. And this was actually in the comment section of our last wishlist video. He said, select, copy, and paste in Google Messages or iOS Messages. You can only copy the entire message or take a screenshot and smart select.

Why? Okay. Yes. messages you can only copy the entire message or take a screenshot and smart select um why okay yes i have i had i had an experience with this issue recently so on android if you do the multitask thing it then allows you to select any any part of any message by the way wait you're gonna have to show me that later yeah so if you if you swipe up to the multitask menu and you swipe over to whatever window you can then hold on any part of any text and copy any snippet of any text really hold on i have to try this it is great this might be do it live nope didn't work didn't work for me either it tried to drop in a smaller window exactly yeah it didn't work for me sam it tried to drop in a smaller window exactly

Samsung's doing multi-window is that only on Pixel? maybe because Pixel doesn't do multi-window what is this? Samsung does multi-window it's multi-windowing well before they added that multi-window thing

you were able to do that that's weird anyway there's this message i was i've been trying to copy like a tracking number that jono sent me like two weeks ago and uh in slack you can't just copy like a certain part of a message you can only copy the entire message yeah and it's really annoying because he wrote a bunch of stuff beforehand he was like anyway here's the tracking number and i just wanted to copy the track yeah normally i have to i copy it and then i paste it in the message thing for like sending it and then i scroll through that and copy the thing i need and then delete all of it in an older version of android there absolutely used to be a thing where if you multitasked, you could just select any part of any message.

This seems super simple and one of those things that you'd use all the time. Yeah. A tier? I'll go A tier just because I don't want to go back-to-back S tier, but like, yeah, this, I think that's an A tier suggestion. Pretty good.

Yep. Here's one that I feel like they heard Adam talking the other day. Apple Watch to connect to all my devices, not just iPhone, and be able to work, oh no, as a remote trackpad for navigating them. That's why I added that. Wait, that's not what I thought he was going to say, that you could just connect it to something else for the initial setup, but a trackpad? That's S Pro Max.

That's a good idea like if i'm just sitting on my couch i have apple tv why can't i just like use my watch swipe around select things yeah yes you can use your t you can use your phone as a cursor on the tv already yeah so you might as well use your watch as a cursor it's pretty small that's pretty small yeah but if you're swiping left and right yeah i think i feel like that's pretty also with the crown being able to scroll with the crown oh yeah now i'm about who said this who said this out the terrence terrence bro whatever so adam screenshotted this so fast he you responded 58 seconds ago according to the screenshot. Adam got this in the first minute of it being posted.

Big brain Terrence. I like it. I'm creating an S Pro Max here just for this awesome suggestion. I'm going to say anything, but if it doesn't have USB-C, please put USB-C in it because there's this new Kodak Super 8 film camera

that uses micro USB and it's $6,000. And those two things should never, ever, ever be paired together. That should be a federal crime. I agree. The European Union would do it. I agree. We're just too baby to make crazy laws like that. Micro USB.

Yeah. Unbelievable. All right, we have one more before we should take a break. Sure. And I think somebody here will like this one a lot. iPhone 13 mini, but with good battery. Pro Max, S Pro Max. It's purple.

I mean, to be fair, the 13 mini had way better battery than the 12 mini. It did, but that's relative. I mean, the 12 mini is just weak. Yeah. And the 13 mini was much better but still below average yeah and i think if it had by some miracle like really good battery like some zenfone 9 type battery it would be awesome so you know how apple is apparently like using new battery tech to make that like iphone 17 slim or whatever and everything's gonna have better battery life they should bring back

the iphone mini true and with the silicon this is something that they talked about before like and everything's going to have better battery life, they should bring back the iPhone mini. True. And with the silicon, this is something that they talked about before. Especially with the new iPad that's thinner, they'd be like, this new silicon, because of how efficient it is, is the reason we were able to make it this thin.

And I think if Apple's able to bring in obviously more efficient batteries, but also even more efficient silicon, they can go, ah, the 13 mini, 12 mini, they were ahead of their time. This new silicon, they can go, ah, the 13 mini, 12 mini, they were ahead of their time. This new silicon, like you could argue when the MacBook Pros were getting kind of slim and weak

and we're like, it was ahead of its time, that Intel silicon was not it. But now we're ready for that again. We're ready for the mini again. I saw an Intel MacBook Pro this week and I forgot how thin they were. And that just seemed like a bad idea. Especially using x86. Like why would they do

that? Obviously they put an i9 processor in that thing and it had zero cooling. They said let him cook. They said let's make a computer that's also a George Foreman grill. That thing cooked. That was so obviously a terrible idea.

They did do that insane yeah this is twice as thick and it uses a chipset that's way more efficient man they they really i mean it's no one would buy it it's still a mini phone yeah i know if you're being real i would buy it but while you guys were mentioning it that kind of makes me want the old macbook again no the like 12 inch macbook i want the 12 inch macbook with an m series processor yeah that's what i'm saying and a full screen display in hindsight a lot of apple products were ahead of their time the trash can mac pro could be a good computer with apple silicon but they just fried an intel chip in there instead and put a bunch of radio i love that they have

that with intel chip and now that they could fit something in the trash can they still have it in that monstrosity cheese grater yeah yeah well the trash can they still have it in that monstrosity cheese grater yeah yeah well the trash can looks a lot better than the cheese grater you know what's funny the cheese grater doesn't support any gpus but the trash can actually had gpus in it it's crazy wait that's a great point they didn't have flies buzzing around it fair okay we'll take a quick break we have way more from you guys after the break but of course since we're taking that break trivia trivia dude whoo so ellis said earlier that he had one terabyte of stuff in the trash can of his computer what was in there that's a lot of smarts

but also a lot of data correct marquez that is a lot of data nice i got a point yeah how much data exactly though how many bytes is in one terabyte in binary closest delta will get the point oh bytes yes oh god megabytes wait can i have a pen david you're overthinking this. Like I can already tell. You don't need to convert bits to bytes because we're asking about terabytes. Oh. Yes. Got it.

You should remind them that this was already a trivia question. Also, this was already a trivia question and we picked it because we just thought... Advanced risk machine. Nice. And what is... Acorn's risk machine. Acorn, it's a bomb!

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and we're going to be as harsh as we possibly can. Do it. Meaning we won't give them all s tier because some of them can't be that amazing but we have a bunch more from twitter and from discord what have you guys found okay i have one here okay that i'm interested in your guys takes on because i think we might have varying levels of interest in this physical fingerprint readers on the back of the phone yep i would like to love it back do you that's just i loved it yeah i guess it's just a feature but like so take maybe any every take the phone you have right now government mandated

the phone i have right now okay that plus usbc here's everything the phone i have right now the s24 ultra has the ultrasonic fingerprint reader and it's really good there are phones that have slow optical fingerprint readers that i would rather have it on the back a pixel being one of them to be honest i think pixel like put my like the where the g logo usually is on the back give me the fingerprint reader there yeah that's cool here's my take against it okay i had the pixel 7 i think that had it under the fingerprint and i liked it at first but it was a little slow so when I got the Zen phone and it was on the side I was like I'm gonna like this so much more because it's more physical

it should be faster but I got so used to my phone just sitting face down on the table and me just putting my thumb on it that then my thumb on the side of the phone got really weird or I would have to also do my index finger that now going back to the S24 I love the under display.

Yeah. And I wouldn't want it on the back. Interesting. Yeah. I think I'm full under display now. The Zen phones was really good. It was on the power button and it was so fast that if I just picked up the phone with my finger on the power button, it would unlock before I could see any of my notifications. Sometimes that's a bad thing though right so i developed a thing where i'd pick up my phone with just like the tip of my finger to press the button so it didn't read so that i could actually see my notifications yeah that's a great point and it worked yeah yeah yeah i like that but face down on the table you can't press the back of the phone's fingerprint sensor you can but why would you unlock your phone face down on a table no no not face down face up oh when it's face up oh that's what i mean oh okay oh yeah you can't unlock it then you double

tap i'm sorry i thought you were like you could unlock it yeah face up you can't that's fair okay but it so this is like b2 i think i'm i think i back. It's labeled as controversial. Sort by controversial. I'm with it because the Pixel 4a had it on the back, and that was perfect. Best phone of all time. It was freaking amazing. I would just take it out of my pocket already unlocked. I feel like I can't do that with this.

But only if you put your finger in the center. See, this solves both problems because you could take it out with your hands on the sides, and then you could look at your notifications, or you could put your hand in your pocket with your index finger going yeah and would have a nice little like ridge so you could identify it in your pocket and just it was smooth so good all right i found one okay unless you have something wait can we agree this is a b tier i was just gonna say like i feel like for any non-flagship phones i would want this there because if it's not like the top

of the line under display i would prefer just the fast if it's not like the top of the line under display i would prefer just the fast the only one that has the top of the line under display though is the s24 basically yeah there's the s ultra yeah a bunch of oppo ones and i think i'm sure there's a couple but yeah they have ultrasonic there are others with ultrasonic oh but i thought the optical ones can get kind of yeah slow And don't work in the rain. Yeah. Okay, I found one. An Apple Watch that can wirelessly charge without the specific Apple Watch charger.

Like a regular wireless charger. Any. Every watch. S tier. S tier. Yes, please. Yeah. It is so annoying that you have to put it on a very specific charger

that sort of like cradles it correctly. And have to bring it everywhere. I will say it is, like I have the the Garmin watch which also has a proprietary charger which is annoying. Really annoying. But I will say the Apple watch one to me is a little more annoying because it's wireless. I should be able to just drop it on a Qi charger. Yeah. Like if you give me the cable, it's a proprietary cable, whatever, annoying, be better, but, like, whatever, I'll deal. Yeah. But, like, you're so close.

Also, you can charge the AirPods with the MagSafe and with the Apple Watch charger. And that is the only product that you can charge with both chargers. Are you serious? Yeah, I do it every day. Yeah. It's great because I have this dual charger that has an Apple Watch charger and an iPhone charger on it,

and I put my AirPods on the Apple Watch charger because I don't use an Apple Watch, and I put my phone on the Mac. Most people don't know that. Ellis has used my charger on my desk, and I've had the AirPods on it, and you've taken it off and put your watch on it. Yeah. Locked in, bro. my charger on my desk and i've had the airpods on it and you've taken it off and put your watch on it yeah well locked in bro but also on day in day out on top of this garmin watch if it's not

going to be wireless do usbc stop giving me this proprietary weights provider it's awful dang is it just because it's shallower i don't't even know. I don't know why. Does it really use pogo pins too? There's definitely a reason, but it's annoying. Being a real outdoor boy with this, so much gunk gets caught in there and then I have to fish it out sometimes. You lose one cable and you're just screwed. At least it lasts like three weeks.

Does the Galaxy Watch have Qi? Or does that also have a proprietary charger? Galaxy Watch. I think it has Qi. Let me look it up. I think it does. That would be epic. So I think the reason a lot of these are is just because of the way watch bands work.

Floats the watch and doesn't really let it sit flat. Yeah. And they're the smaller ones fit there. Yeah. But it would still be nice to be able to somehow make that work apparently it's based on chi but it's too small of a coil to use regular that's what i kind of figured the reason like i don't think a regular apple watch could fit on a magsafe charger because the magsafe coil is way wider than the watch that's fair yeah okay i found a really interesting

one oh do we want to rate this yeah wait what was that I think that it's pretty good, but I also understand the physical limitations that would not allow this to work. That's not our problem. True. Let's say they sold it. S tier. At least A tier. I would say A tier.

I could be swayed. I was going to go B, but let's go A. Let's go A. I think A. All right, I have a fun one. Yeah. Sharon suggests, iPod Classic, but updated to 2024 standards.

This would be- USB-C, Bluetooth, a terabyte of storage. I'm going to throw in on top of what he said, give it OLED and an incredible battery and wireless charging and all that. And 5G. And an app store. I do think that there's kind of this renaissance

of physical hardware devices coming back right now. I do think that most people at this point in time do not know how to like load MP3 files onto a device. That's true. Like everyone is so... Streaming. Everyone's so used to just using streaming that people are not used to like,

oh, how do I get MP3? How do you even get MP3 files anymore? I'd rather have this as like the old, not even iPad Nano, but like the clip just like updated. Because then if you're just running. Can I, status unknown, aka Sharon that tweets. Great suggestion. Can I propose an alternate thing sure that i saw someone on uh twitter in reddit someone on reddit someone on reddit uh made this really cool thing where

they put um near god i'm having a brain fart moment i see the thank you wow locked in day in day out and they put nfc chips in all of their vinyl records and then they put a little uh in the sleeves and then they put a shelf on their wall and so they put a vinyl record on their turntable and then they put the kate the sleeve on on the shelf reads the nfc chip and then a projector in sleeve on the shelf, reads the NFC chip, and then a projector in their wall turns on and projects all of the metadata for the album around the vinyl, like when it came out,

the track listing, who played on it. I thought you were going to say... No, it was a touch designer. Exactly, I did too. I was about to be depressed. I thought you were going to say they have all the sleeves,

and they just tap their phone to the sleeve and it starts playing on Spotify. Streams on Spotify. No, right. Oh, they have that too. Yeah, but I do think if we're trying to get closer to our music, modern iPod Classic, great idea, but people who can build innovative home launchers for Spotify,

I think that's what I want I guess I saw that as more of offline music listening and small form factor like running and stuff like that I don't think you get anything out of unless you're like wrong and you are

like a hi-fi nerd I said it you're not going to get anything really out of like using an ipod classic versus streaming and in my opinion other than having a more intimate relationship with your music and i think there's cooler ways and i think there's cooler ways to build those relationships and i do i like this idea and i think that these things are going to get more popular as products like spotify who have such a grasp on the market start to push their users out of using it

because it just becomes so expensive and such a horrible experience. I think anything we do to increase the emotional value of our albums is important. I will say to bring it back to this tweet, I would use a Zune HD today with modern updated specs. How would you get the music on it. Ellis has one at his desk. It's the Sony Walkman.

How would you get the music on it? I don't know. But I would have to have another modern updated spec, which is a store for music where every song is one cent and I just buy them for whatever. I don't know. One cent? I just like the idea of the Zune HD hardware being updated to being modern

and then using that to play my music i think that is the the logical conclusion that i come to as well as i think about it and i'm like oh a hardware device dedicated to music streaming and i'm like okay what would that look like well i need spotify because i love my podcast all in one place i love made for you playlist all that okay so then now it just becomes a smartphone ai dj and i already have a good smartphone i do but what if i just had like a chair in an empty room and a zune hd on a table and some headphones yeah but what if overall this idea is clearly b tier yeah but what if you could combine that with a revolutionary mobile phone, a widescreen iPod, and a breakthrough internet communication device?

Are you getting it? Sharon, I highly recommend you go check out our friends at Retrospect.com who do sell a iPod Classic modded to 2024 specs. You can buy this. Is that Bluetooth? classic modded to 2024 specs you can buy this don't know if that's bluetooth don't know if it has bluetooth but you can get the bluetooth converter for 15 bucks on amazon usbc is sick i have a kind of niche one that i think ellis will like a usb switcher with more than four ports to swap between devices i agree we never found like one with more 3.0 usb 8

four i don't think we usb 3.0 USB 8. Four USB 3.0 ports. Yeah, that's definitely, I would put this in A tier because this is definitely, although I don't understand. I don't understand. It's the same thing. I don't understand why the hubs don't have more Thunderbolt pass through. I don't. If you understand, please let us know because I don't.

If I could buy a small dock that had like 15 usb ports on it and i could switch between two computers with a click of a button i would some of it is definitely about power but if you have a power supply if it's a powered hub yeah if you can plug it in i'm sure most people would do that to just make it easier to switch between two computers i don't know if you if you can let us know why please do wow that was so low let so unloved. You guys should tier that one. You were very into it. I think A tier. B tier, A tier.

I would throw that in. I'd say A tier for the people who are looking for it. The amount of people who are looking for it are probably D tier. Yeah, that's a D tier for me. D tier? You think that's a bad idea? It's not that it's a bad idea. It's that it's such a specific use case. not that it's a bad idea addressable market specific use case yeah it's so

niche it's more niche than s pen on the outside of the fold are you are you kidding when you're right you're right there's a lot of folds out there all right i have one that's a kind of interesting one because i'm curious what you guys takes are on this and i think it might be different from mine uh sarvesish says vision pro but made of carbon fiber reinforced plastic to reduce mass vision pro but three times as expensive so here's the thing about the vision pro apple went out of their way to make it as light as possible and as heavy as possible at the same time hear me out Okay. Do you need to borrow that tinfoil hat? No, no, no.

This is just all facts. We've seen the inside of the Vision Pro before, at least I've seen the inside of the Vision Pro, and inside of that titanium or whatever, I guess it's aluminum enclosure, they have gone to extreme lengths to carve out extra mass, and all of the inside pieces are like, the PCB are like mounted on carbon fiber,

like they have carbon fiber inside the headset. Most people don't know this. It's like super, super light for some reason inside of it, but they are still the only ones that chose to make a headset with a huge piece of glass on the outside with a metal body and with like screens facing the outside of you. So it's clearly going to be heavy with all those pieces, but they've gone to extra lengths to make it light. It's really weird. So they had all these priorities. It's really well built. So I think what Sarvesh suggests

is to take all of the metal and make it carbon fiber reinforced plastic. But I still don't think it would be a very light headset. You would still have a screen and a bunch of glass on the outside making it heavier than normal so i think this is like a c tier because it's still it's still going to be a heavy i mean i think what he wants to accomplish is a lighter vision pro which i think we can all agree on right yes the cheaper one probably will be lighter if you're saying vision

pro you're still suggesting the screen on the outside and all these other things i think you can make a lighter vr headset but you're not going to have vision pro features i think vision pro needs to it not doesn't need to worry about actual weight but balance of weight and how they could fix that apparently there is a uh padding some company made some vision pro padding thing that you put on it like the mask and it's really really really good and that came out like last week and everyone's raving about it right now interesting yeah they said it solved like all of the headache problems because the like eye whatever it's called is like too thin yeah the pressure that it puts it moves the pressure away from your cheekbones

which is where all that pressure goes and like gives you a headache. Yeah. No, I, just like everyone else, I love the idea of a way lighter headset because Vision Pro is very heavy and uncomfortable after a long time. Yeah. But yeah, that's my, that's my take on that. It's weird. The headset itself is so weird.

There's actually a ton of carbon fiber in it already. It's wild. How would you rate that? So I put that as like a C because it doesn't actually change the things that are bad about the headset. It's just a cool carbon fiber thing. Someone said Rabbit R1 if it was good. Yep.

S tier. Or worked or did anything. F tier. If it was good, it would be S tier because it's good. What is good? Yeah, that's a great question. A universal find my network that works with ios and android that's like the dream that's the one that's like government mandated

it's like it's so it we all would love that i wish i don't see how it's also like they're both i mean the android one has been having major problems obviously but if it worked correctly then there are enough iphones and android phones that it's not really an issue that you need to merge both of them i guess what would be cool is if it was the same network could you use the accessories of the other thing so if i wanted to use an air tag as an android user yeah would i be able to use it if they shared networks but i guess i wouldn't need to because there's tile but maybe just the form factor of one's better well tile doesn't use android's find my device so if it

was like a slim because i bet there's gonna be that motorola uh android find my device tag that just that just came out yeah there might just be a form factor you like better on the other one. So if it was all intertwined together, it would kind of ruin the ecosystem a little bit. The walls would be shaved down a bit, which is probably the best for all of us. I mean, yeah, S tier. I think that would be great. It's just one that's harder to get there.

Yeah, I don't know. No, I think it's S it's i feel like there's already enough of everything you know nah but it's well yeah but so why don't all those things work together better we have nothing to lose but our chains okay i will say uh on the find my device on the find my device stuff the fact that google and apple work together because of the air tag stalking thing so if you have an Android phone, it will give you a notification if there's an AirTag following you and you can ring

the AirTag from your Android phone if you need to find it because it's following you. That's crazy. That's like the first time that Apple has ever let an Android phone do anything to any of its devices. So we do know it's possible. Marcus, I see you scrolling in this doc and I feel like there's one you're going to mention if you don't i'm going to mention it

google tasks but they say bring back natural natural language processing they said they had it apparently at one point but now they don't if i take this literally google tasks with natural language processing pretty much here seats here because google tasks is already d tier basically like when you type in your task if you say like it can pick up times and dates and different things and help just list it and send notifications based on that without having to be like you just say like uh but how do you take the trash out uh tomorrow morning and then it will and then you don't have to then go set the time and date and everything you just type it in and it fills out the rest of it for the notifications aspect oh yeah which a lot of task apps do have and i remember

david telling us about that david pierce telling me about that and thinking that sounds cool and i've stuck with google tasks and i do not have that yeah but i would like it interesting but i didn't like the other apps that did have it so i don't have it well they did integrate didn't they integrate google calendar into google tasks the other way around oh oh yeah you're right also there was a little update in google keep my beloved which i've used for many decades, where if you use it on a foldable, I think I actually have. I've used Keep since it came out. It was probably about a decade ago.

Yeah. Anyway, if you use it on a foldable and you open the phone, you can have two different Google Keeps next to each other. Oh, really? That's my nightmare. Double Keep. Have you seen account Google Keeps next to each other. Oh, really? That's my nightmare. Have you seen my Google Keep? It's pretty awesome. It is where my shopping list lives right now.

That's where Google Home drops it by default. They haven't let you change that in forever. I'm surprised they don't put it in Hangouts. When you ask Google to add X to my shopping list, it's had several different places over the years where it's put that it used to put that in a web portal of just your rabbit hole the rabbit the google hole as good as that yeah and now it's back to it was google keep it moved it out of

google keep to a web portal now it's back in google keep yeah so i really hate that we are completely dictated by these tech overlords i want more control of my life i this made me think of google chat which i didn't even know was a thing chat it's not g chat or it used to be g chat it used to be g chat then it was hangouts now it's google chat or just chat yeah it is really terrible yeah really bad we like a friend group of mine who used to use gchat then hangouts then went to slack then all started hating slack and like just randomly started messaging and chat now in google nothing about it works whether you're inside your email browser as like a pop-up or the app is the worst app i've ever used in my life and

google employees have to use that as their main thing they don't they don't use slack i would rather use google google chat for everything it's just constantly in the app like scroll to newest messages and you can see you're at the newest messages and then you click it and it just scrolls up for like three minutes and then you don't know where you are twitter does that sometimes too it's an incredible how bad it is. Yeah. I cannot believe it.

Wait, so what was the feature that we're talking about? Is the S tier natural language processing in Google Tasks. I don't know if I'd consider that natural language processing. Really? Yeah, natural language processing is just being able to synthesize what you're saying. Yeah, and then turn it into an action. And then use it. I think it counts.

It's a basic thing. I guess. It's like if I tell a regular task app, remind me to take out the trash on Thursday afternoon, it will just write, remind me to take out the trash on Thursday afternoon and make it a task for today. But if you have natural language processing,

then it will say, remind yeah but you can also say take out trash i feel like companies have hard-coded like keywords like that in before to like go straight to action i count that yeah but wouldn't with like wouldn't natural language processing be like if you're like bruh there's so much trash i should do something about this in six days that's extreme natural language. Bro. Bro. Then your Apple robot goes and cleans it up for you. That's us too. That's AI.

That's Apple intelligence? That's AI. Nobody wants any of this. I don't know. I kind of don't know. I don't know if any tech company has shipped a single product that a single person has wanted in about five years. That's not true true as we all say on our apple silicon max apple pencil hover nobody asked erasing things for the back from the background of our photos it's pretty good yeah i'll give mark has that yeah but it's not it could be better

honda moto compacto nobody asked for that checkmate but people don't know what they Yeah, but it's not. It could be better. Honda Moto Compacto. Nobody asked for that. Checkmate. But. People don't know what they want. The stuff that. Famously. The stuff that's come out that has been like surprisingly awesome, nobody was asking for, but some companies made it.

You've been in the sun too long? Just enjoy the tech with us. Yeah, I'm tan, man. David's touched too much grass. He's like, is this tech stuff really worth it? I was in the mountains. I was like. David's touched too much grass. He's like, is this tech stuff really worth it? I was in the mountains. I was like, I don't need a phone. I should just move out of here.

Should we do one more? Okay, I have a great one. Okay. I think we would end it on. Wrap it up. This is S tier for me. I don't really care what you guys say. This is S tier.

Okay. iPad mini pro. S tier. Yes, S tier. S tier with OLED. Highest S tier with the highest s 120 hertz that's pro max this has got to be s pro max this is that is that's pro max and the um calculator throw in like a mini apple pencil so that it's not like a huge one you know because the apple pencil is pretty big apple if you put it on next to i mean even with the ipad air already in the ipad pro it's it's pretty big so a smaller apple pencil to go with it and

then yeah tan oled 120 hertz give it all the features give it all the cameras all the battery usbc also ipads and the mini would be best for this with MagSafe. Yeah, MagSafe. Because then you could use it like the Google tablet, like the Pixel tablet. Yeah. Which seems like a very obvious thing. Pop it on the HomePod. Come on.

It would look like a little mushroom. On the HomePod Mini? Yeah. Or no. Maybe the main set. Either way. I was looking up ipads yesterday i've gotten so close to buying one a few times and i had the ipad mini up and if this was a real thing right now

yeah i've had mini is just i heard there is a refreshed mini coming it's so if it had magsafe heard that and then i heard it was canceled so now i'm not sure and as the only ipad mini user here i really want it i'm a theoretical ipad mini user i want to be an ipad mini user so badly but i can't put myself through it with the existing ipad mini so yeah just hoping also the 11 inch pro is so good that it's hard to yeah but just give me like a basically like an eight like a nexus nine remember nexus nine there's also a nexus nexus seven oh seven was nice too but it had big bezels it did so maybe eight but it had a really nice soft touch back yeah we're getting off track uh i have yeah i have one i have one more

it's trivia but it's right now, and I'm doing it. S tier. Oh. F tier, if I get it wrong. This music right now. There we go. I cannot believe I messed up that button press. That's like the most embarrassing point of my career.

If I get the question right, it's S tier. If I get it wrong, it's F tier. All right. Question number one. Banana Bin is one of many very useful utility apps for macOS, but macOS's close cousin iOS has had more than its fair share of completely useless apps. Which of the following iOS apps is a fake app? A, Blower.

An app that runs your phone's speaker so hard you can use it to blow out candles. B. BOV Turbo. Mount your phone to the windshield or A-pillar of your car and it will display a fake boost gauge which reacts to the movements of your car. It will even lag and play a pshh sound to make it feel all the more real. C, cookie clicker, and I'm reading from Wikipedia. The user initially clicks on a big cookie on the screen, earning a single cookie per click. They can then use their earned cookies to purchase assets such as cursors and other buildings that automatically produce cookies. Upgrades are also available and can improve the efficiency of clicks and buildings, among many other mechanics that allow the user to earn cookies in different ways. The game lacks a conventional ending. Or D, Chromios.

The App Store now features emulators, and what better to emulate than Google's smash hit of an operating system, Chrome OS. That's right. All of your favorite Chromebook apps and experiences are now available on the iPhone. How do you spell Chromeos? You spell it C-R-O-M-I and then capital OS, like Chrome, Chromey, Chrome, iOS. Oh, Chrome iOS. Yeah. Real clever.

Fights. All right, guys. What do we have? who wants to go first i wrote a blower a blower is incorrect blower is a real app you could download from the app store and it's not even free how does how you can pay to screw your how does apple allow that if it's gonna just ruin your speakers don't ask marquez i see you also put blower no i know oh what that was a joke at the bottom my actual answer was chromeos or whatever you said chromeos is a fake app i made that one up very. Very good. That's what I said too.

Andrew also put Chromeos. Yes. You thus far cannot run a Chromebook on your iPhone. I was thinking of it, but I thought Apple would never allow somebody to like blow out their iPhone speaker. I do just want to say also to every single member of Gen Z watching this, I am sorry that you had to just pretend that Cookie Clicker was fake. I know you all have

Cookie Clicker installed. No, I know about Cookie Clicker. That's why. Wait, really? Yeah. That's not an NFT project? No, no. It's real. It's not just real. It's like a smash, like huge hit among kids. Similar to that banana game on Steam. Yeah, but this predates that by a while.

Yeah, yeah yeah so we actually already did question number two because adam fiendishly sprung it on our host during one of our commercial breaks so we're gonna cut to that footage now but first but quick update on Andrew with 13. David with 13. Oh. And Ellis. One, two. Carry the one. Dang. So there's a thousand? That's what I'm doing.

I'm just... I'm not even trying. And we're back. While Marques and David try to cheat their way into the answer. It's called mathematics, Adam. There's a whole... Okay, you know what? I'm going to cut this for later. What's a thousand times a thousand?

No, stop. Wait, what's happening? I didn't even... Who? You better hurry up. You're going to edit this like that? Yeah, they were trying to answer it now, so I'm just going to get the timer going. Can I have a timer, lady? Andrew's spending a lot

of time confused right now. He could just be getting an answer. Normally, I'm the brutal one here, but this is ridiculous. And flip him and read. So, Andrew, what'd you get off the top is that a trillion a hundred thousand

no david yeah it is i wrote one billion marquez so i think i wrote a trillion it's a trillion oh frick yeah yeah that's a thousand. If I had more time to do the math. And I think everything I wrote there is correct. You can ignore. That I do not know. The reason it's 1024 is because there's eight bytes in a bit. So you do that multiplied by a thousand. I wasn't going to get that in.

I wrote that there is a terabyte is a thousand gigabytes. A gigabyte is a thousand megabytes. A megabyte is a thousand kilobytes. A kilobyte is a thousand bytes. Oh, I thought. So then I. Yeah. gigabytes a gigabyte is a thousand megabytes a megabyte is a thousand kilobytes a kilobyte is a thousand bytes oh i thought so then i yeah the the 24 if i understand correctly and i encourage any and all computer scientists to tell me how wrong i am in the comments but the reason it's the 24 is because human brains because of our fingers and toes like to count in a base 10 system otherwise known as the dewey decimal system that was a joke shut up um that was a library joke uh but computers because they do not have toes uh are not super into

not yet based does tesla have toes i don't know but they will soon i'm sure uh they counted base two and you can't get to a thousand evenly if you're doing powers of and you can't get to 1,000 evenly. If you're doing powers of 2, you can only get to 1024. And for a long time, this didn't really matter, because what's 24 bits? But you can't get to 1,000 evenly? With powers of 2, the closest you can get is 1024. I think it's 2 to the 12th? You're thinking of divisible by 2. Yeah, not divisible.

2 to the 3rd is... You mean just like 1, 1, 1, 1? No, 2 to the 10th power is 1024. 2 to the 9th power is 512. So it's 2 times 2 times 2 times 2 times 2. Those are computer numbers. Oh, that's what you're saying. Exactly.

Those are computer numbers. Oh, that's what you're saying. Exactly. And so technically, we measure computer storage in an alternate base two system. So not terabytes, we would say tebibytes. Bingo. Tebibytes. So a terabyte is, as Marques said, a trillion bytes.

But there is no hard drive in the world that actually has a terabyte on it. It actually a tebibyte on it and they just oh I see you don't care enough yeah and we're back and Marquez was the only one that got that answer correct so now everyone is tied at 13 oh this is the closest game we've had in such a long time this is also maybe the trivia extravaganza should only be worth single point one one point at the end no it's gonna be like 47 points is it even a trivia if it doesn't render oh my gosh that's so funny wait yeah there's one there's one point to win at the end we'll call it a trivia extravaganza journey to carry the one marquez would end this podcast but he's too busy clicking cookies well hey that's been it for this week clearly there's gonna be a well there's gonna be way more fun stuff next week like like usual we always have

fun stuff to do uh but of course thanks for suggesting all the stuff that you did this week on twitter and of course follow us over there if you have more suggestions or if you just want to follow us to see what else we post. Okay, that's it. Thanks. See you later. Bye. Way From Respiration by Adam Molina and Ellis Roven.

We're partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network and our introductory music was created by Vane Silk. To be fair, I feel like people that played Zelda are not actually gamers. Wow. Clip that. No, I love that. And upload that to the internet straight away with you. I love Zelda, let me be clear.