Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Tesla Gives Up on Model S & X!

Episode Date: February 6, 2026

This week, the crew sits down and immediately jump into the new Studio video that just dropped which documented all of 2025! After that, they discuss the news that Tesla is discontinuing the Model S and Model X. After that, they try to figure out what OpenClaw is before playing another game that Andrew made up! It's a fun one. Enjoy! Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Links: The Studio - Year in the life 9to5Google - Qi2 S26 cases Tesla - Production and deliveries AppleInsider - Apple removes Pro app subscription MoltBook Casey Newton - Platformer Wired - Nintendo Switch virtual boy Verge - Abxylute Switch controllers Music provided by: Epidemic Sound Social: Waveform Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Waveform Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en Waveform TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Hosts: Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Mariah: https://www.instagram.com/totallynotabusinessacc Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Intro/Outro music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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This is all objectively horrible. But I'll let you finish. Marquez is the least nostalgic person. This is all really bad. I didn't say I wanted this. I just thought I was excited to talk about the Nintendo's Edge 2 again. Yeah, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Wave Form podcast.

We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. This week, we've got last week of, nope, just kidding. First week of February, we've got new products. We've got dead products. And we've got updated products.

So we've got the whole spectrum of stuff to talk about. That's vague of an intro as we did. Yeah. If you want a little teaser, like dead products is kind of exciting, but also dead products that you've probably heard of from a big company that's a little more exciting right also we have a game to play again it was a lot of fun last week it was it's a different game this week it's a different game that i stole this week sick just like always but first a little bit of self-promotion i have to just make sure everyone who is listening to

this podcast has seen or at least had the opportunity to see the latest studio video which is our full final feature length year in the life vlog of what it's like to be here here at the studio and to work on a YouTube channel slash collective of channels for 365 days. It happens to be this channel, so it's a tech channel, so there's all the fun of like the waves of like the off season ramping up into that busy season and the off season again. And there's just a lot to it. And it is a labor of love for the team to put it all together. Think about how much footage and how many shots and how much stuff happens that we collect

over the course of the year. we were sort of editing it during the year as it went and sort of building the bridge as we crossed it, if you will. Imagine if we had used Premiere and it would have just... It'd still be exporting it. It would have crashed and autosave wouldn't have worked and we would have been in the middle of yet. Some say it's still crashing to this day.

If anyone wants to know why Ellis was only here for the game last week, he was in the trenches for a very long time, but yeah. Alice barely slept. Yeah, there's a comment that was like, why does it look like Ellis just woke up? He did. You can't wave up. I hadn't woken up for days.

Yeah. Yeah, it's exactly the length of a 1990s rom-com. So if you're choosing between the two, I think you know which one you need to pick. Absolutely. You should definitely watch it. It's super fun. It's the one Harry Met Sally of YouTube. I've never seen that.

It's pretty good. That means I should see it, huh? Okay. Next year's going to be the love actually. Two and a half hours. Yeah, spoiler. Just naming 90s rom-com. Spoiler.

we're going to do another one. Oh, no, Marquez. Don't say that now. What have we ever changed? I thought next was decade in the life. It's not out of the question. We could do that too. That would be crazy.

But yeah, I think it's really... That'd be like boyhood, dude. It's really good for the behind the scenes. It's the look behind the curtain and the studio ethos and all that. Yeah. I mean, even if you just love waveform, there's some good waveform behind the scenes. There's like our first live show in Austin, our first live stream and all the technical difficulties we had.

There was like the man on. on the street episode at Apple Campus, so there's a lot of waveform stuff you can see also. All right. Should we start with the alive products, the updated products or the dead products? Dead. The dead products.

One and dead are alive. People have been talking about this. Tesla has announced that they will be stopping production this year of the Model S and the Model X. Whoops. These are their OG flagship longest running vehicles. So they made the Tesla Roadster originally, which was essentially a Lotus Elise that had the guts removed and turned into an electric car,

which is a fun project. But then they started making their own car, the Tesla Model S, which has been, I guess it's 15 plus years of Tesla model S and being a flagship in what Tesla puts their latest and greatest technologies in. And then Model X, which is the big SUV with the Falcon Wing doors and the sort of relative performance in that price category. It's the most expensive cars. And they've announced that they're going to be stopping production of them to make space, for production of the Optimus Robot in that factory.

Apparently, so they were making them all in that one factory, and they will be making that space for Optimus robots. This is not bode too well for the 2017 Roadster. That's what I was thinking. So my first, my initial thought is, it's not actually that surprising, I think. The Model S&X didn't sell a ton. It was always like a light refresh here,

a light refresh there. You know, the plaid came out. That was sort of a big update. And then again, light refresh here and there. So it kind of ended up looking the same for a long time, which a lot of people noticed. But they didn't put as much, or I guess they put much more attention on Model 3 and Model Y and expanding those into a ton of different markets. And obviously a lot more people buy, these less expensive vehicles. If you look at the sales breakdown now for 2025, Tesla Model 3 and Y are 90-something percent of their sales.

Wow. And 1.6 million produced. and then SX and CyberTruck combined was 53,900. Whoa. Combined? Combined. So on paper, it's not actually that insane to just stop making. That's worldwide, too.

That's worldwide. Holy moly. So that's the peek behind the curtain. Them justifying it with the, with the robot, I don't know if that even matters at all to me. I guess you could be optimistic and use that as justification. It feels like just something. they're saying to make it seem like they're not just totally quitting on it. They're like, oh, no, we have bigger and better things that we're working on better.

There's a ton of businesses that cut their 5% loss leaders. And that's not like a shocking headline. It's just we've become so familiar with Model S and Model X over time. They've been such staples that it's kind of like, oh, they're actually going away. Wow. And it feels crazy because it feels like it was just yesterday that they released the Plaid models. I mean, it was a few years ago at this point. I think it was like right, like only a few months after I started working here that they released

those. Yeah, but I remember writing in yours when you first got it and I was like, holy moly. Yeah, that was the first time that I remember Tesla not delivering something that they said they would. So they've been various versions of this. Remember Model 3? They were like, wait, wait, not. What about the Rhodes? Roadsters 2017. No, no, no. Okay, so I guess officially canceling would be my version of that because they, they'd said that they're going to make Plaid and Plaid Plus. Oh, yeah. And then Plaid came out, and then they officially went, we're not going to make Plaid Plus anymore, and then converted those pre-orders to Plaid.

Got it. And I was like, oh, okay, they would do that. And they've had kind of versions of this in the past. Like they announced a bunch of specs for Model 3, and they sort of slowly adjusted that lineup. But, yeah, there's been, they continue to claim they're going to make the Roadster, so they haven't canceled that project. Yeah.

It wouldn't shock me if the cyber truck was also under consideration. Yeah. Maybe out of pride, they'll keep it going for a bit longer and see how sales go, but they have not gone well lately. Yeah. So we'll see. But, yeah, obviously the combined total 50,000 produced of all three of those vehicles,

it's not exactly shocking that they can still be a car company with just three and why and be pretty, pretty fine. Yeah. When did cyber truck first get announced? In 2020, 2019, right? 2020 or 2021. How long did it take to come out? It was either, oh, no, I think it was early 2021, like March or something.

The event date where he threw the ball and it broke the window was in 2020. I have the video. I published the night of November 22nd, 2019. Wow. So it came out of 2023, so it took four years to come out. Do we think it lives longer than four years? So that would be... Lids longer than four years.

So when's that? Next year? Next year? No. I think it could make it that long. That'd be pretty embarrassing if R2 got released and Cybersruck got shut down. That would be tough. Yeah, R2 is supposed to be this year as well.

Yeah. R2, though, is like... They're a bit different. It's supposed to be their, like, mass market thing. There's two other little Tesla things, or Tesla-related things in here. One thing we missed when we were talking about the... Or maybe it just happened after. But remember we were talking about how full self-driving is going to subscription-only model?

Yeah. One thing, it seems like... they took away just from all Tesla's is the auto steer or at least auto stealer on Model 3 and Model Y as like just a base option because their naming is always so confusing. Autopilot just comes with cars

cars, right? Yeah, it's not full self-driving. Full self-driving is the full suite. Autopilot is the lesser basic suite. And then the auto steer is like automatically in centering, right? Which at this point

most cars have. Most new cars. Yeah, the 2026 base Corolla has auto lane. It seems like they just took it out of autopilot on Model 3 and Model Y. On new ones. It's just when you purchase them now, it's not listed in the features of what it comes. There is still traffic-aware cruise control, but I saw a bunch of people on Reddit freaking, or on Twitter, like, so we just lost all lane centering now, aka if you don't buy full self-driving this is now like one of the least

technologically advanced cars in terms of quote unquote self-driving so they're trying to push people to spend the $99 a month because part of Elon's giant trillion dollar performance package is based on 10 million active self-driving subscriptions so that's one of the levers basically that Tesla is pulling to help try to push people towards buying full self-driving

by making the car that doesn't help full self-driving worse than normal. By not having any sort of drive assist, I see. It makes a lot of sense. That seems like a horrible idea. Because there's all these other cars out there that have the equivalent

of what they already have. I think it's really hypocritical also to be like Tesla's are the safest on the road because look at all these things they help do to, like distracted drivers, but like take it away. It's like when they took away two-factor authentication on Twitter.

Yeah, and put it behind a paywall. And put it behind a paywall. Yeah. It feels like that. Yeah, that's crazy. And then the other quick thing, do you want to talk about? Yeah, I'll talk about this. Okay, the other quick thing is that SpaceX basically acquired X-A-I or is merging with

X-A-I. I think you're right that they acquired-acquired X-A-I. Yeah, and are merging with it by acquiring it. And X-A-I acquired X, Twitter. So the reason that people think that they're doing this, I mean, now it's like it's the combined company is valued at over a trillion dollars, which is insane. And I know that they have been talking about eventually taking it public, and it would be the first IPO to IPO over a trillion, which is just ridiculous.

How much with that trillion do you think comes from XAI versus SpaceX? So that's thing. Okay, SpaceX is hugely profitable. XAI is not. XAI is reportedly burning over a billion dollars a month on both data center fees and employees, which is just insane. Light work. Sam Altman wishes that something.

Oh, he was burning. Yeah. Ironically, like, they basically merged X-A-I and Twitter because Twitter was losing too much money, and now they're merging X-A-I-slash-Twitter and SpaceX because X-A-I was losing too much money. That's just such a weird company. Sometimes I think about, like, Tesla was already kind of a weird company when you think about it as far as the range of things that they would make. What other car company makes both a $40,000 sedan and a $1,000?

and a $200,000 sports car and, is what they would claim to make, and a semi-truck and a pickup truck. I can't think of a car company that does all of them well. Does Toyota have a sports car? Do they have a $200,000 like supercar? And a semi-truck. Don't they make trucks like aren't the big like 16.

Toyota makes trucks. I know Volvo makes trucks. That was already strange to me. I don't think Toyota makes semi-trucks. No, no, oh, sorry. I just meant like big pickup trucks. Yeah, I don't. But then, you know, the Tesla semi truck.

It's like what company does all these things? So this is an even we're a we're a we're a software company and AI company. We also have a social network and we also do rockets. The way that Musk is trying to make this make any sense is he saying that in order to scale AI you're going to have to put data centers in space and the only way to do that is what SpaceX. So now you're going to put these AI data centers in space that are powered by solar. He's like doing the like point. I can't wait for it. And then at the very end of his statement, he's like, and a free speech social media network. And it's like, how does that have anything to do

with the rest of your industries? I don't know. It kind of feels like we're accelerating towards that sort of, uh, I feel like in every, in like back to the future and like every sort of like future movie where there's a lot of dystopia going on. There's always the like musk industries type thing and that's what this company is eventually going to become because Tesla I mean they're getting rid of their main cars they're having problems constantly I would not be surprised as if in two to three years Tesla also merged with SpaceX and then they add the SpaceX rockets to the roadster and it finally ships and it obviously was going to happen the whole time well I don't know about finally ships but he can make the excuse because he's already he has said that they're going to put rocket

boosters on the back of the roadster he has said that he has said that he said many things um so you could see him making that argument, and I feel like they would just call it X Industries or something, and it's just everything. If you wanted to make the everything app, he is certainly making the everything company. I don't know by the everything app. I feel like every time one of his companies merge, it's to like solve the problem of another company. That's, yeah. What is going to happen after space? Like when SpaceX and, like, let's say they do this and then they need to keep growing. What do you merge with? There's nothing left. Well, luckily SpaceX is actually bringing in a lot of revenue. For now, while the government

is giving it all its money because it's defunding NASA. But like, yeah, and Starlink brings in a lot of money. Yeah, Starling brings in a ton of money. Yeah, I do think the big point, though, is that like, like, there wasn't enough liquid capital to keep XAI running. To keep XAI running, but just keep XAI expanding. Yeah. To keep pace with its competitors. And so Elon was just like, well, I could tap into my other companies money.

Sorry, investors. It's like when Microsoft bailed out Apple, except you're bailing out yourself. Ellis and I were talking about a tweet. saw earlier. Bouthtraps in. Allison and I both saw a tweet that was like Elon's buying Twitter for the third time. Damn. Speaking of, um, big disappointments.

I don't know, there's probably rare metals in rocket ships. I kind of like the big disappointments. Oh, that's a better. That was a better one. We can keep it. But let's keep both. Speaking of potential big disappointments. There you.

Fair. And I'm not talking about what my mom said before. was born. Damn. The Samsung Galaxy S-26, there's a report that it will not have Chee 2. And I know that I said I was

1002% sure. And you know what? I'm doubling the fucking out. I'm doubling down because I got nothing to lose at this point. I'll explain. Do you want me to explain why? Yes.

So Ben Shune at 9 to 5 Google did an article and what happened is there's leak of some S-26 cases. Now the issue with these cases is there's two versions. of them, one with a magnetic ring, one without a magnetic ring. And when you have magnets in the back of a phone, they work really well to connect to a ring.

But when you have a case now in between that magnetic connection, without another ring adding additional magnets to keep the strength, you're losing kind of the features of the ring. So we're kind of looking at this case with no ring as the writing on the wall of there's probably no magnets inside the phone. You know, if Samsung liked this phone, they should have put a ring on it. That's all I'm going to say. Damn, that was a bar.

It's just so good. I don't know, man. That was good. Now Google is going to have all these ads that are like, we've had magnets for two years and Samsung can't get their shit together. Why? They're not wrong. I have all these, like, theories and like, I'm working on a video idea now about,

we were talking about silicon carbon batteries before, about how we've seen this divide of some companies, just going for it with silicon carbon batteries and some standing on the sidelines and not jumping in and i think that's interesting samsung is standing on the sidelines but samsung isn't doing anything with their main flagship which is i get it it's like the three and the why it's like privacy screen that's totally valid actually that's kind of really interesting and we'll get to that maybe in a little bit but it's like the design itself has been unchanged for the past like four five years now and that's not that there's anything wrong with the design

But you kind of start to wonder, are they going to improve anything? Like the cameras haven't gotten much better. The chip just gets the normal spec bump every year. The batteries have been almost the same size every year. It's been four or five years since we've gotten a real meaningful change to these phones. And I don't think they're going to do it. And this was an opportunity to do something to give people with three-year-old S-23s a reason to upgrade. And they just skipped it.

So it's interesting. I think they're just leaning into less towards consumers and more towards just like business. business phones and just being able to like ship the default of everything and it's not a great path to go down to continue doing it it feels like the the way to get forgotten really easily but when you're trying to be the default but I guess it depends because like when people buy Android phones besides the enthusiasts do people just want reliable same or do they want yeah I guess but like that's what that's that's that's us enthusiasts talking and then regular people just buying the same thing over and over anyway it's like why should they change it I feel

Motorola and LG kind of were doing that. And then Samsung kept being like, we're flashy. Look at us and kind of took that share over and then became the default. And now they're coasting. Yeah, but LG also made the wing. Yeah. Well, because LG was already scared at that point. Yeah, that was their like...

They did like have a gimmick on every phone that they sold though. Yeah. I mean, that was the thing at the time for Android phones. So you can't really doubt them, blame from them for that. This one though, like adding magnets to the back. So we've heard how like maybe silicon carbon is longevity might be an issue. Like they're maybe still testing this stuff.

A couple of magnets on the back to ensure better, like, charging and give you some accessories seems like the safest bet in the world. I want to know what the potential downside other than profit margins is on like... I can't see it. Okay. Also, because Samsung phones are like the phone that you switch to from an iPhone, like you would want to have all of the available features. People who have tons of mag-safe accessories, just give them the magnets.

I've only really heard of people switching to pixels from iPhone because I think you need a lot of pull if you're going to switch from the iPhone and the pixel is the only thing that has a lot of interesting fun things that might actually make you think about it. It is. I wonder, I think Samsung could be the one if, but the way it gets switched from an iPhone

isn't I want to use this instead of an iPhone. It's Apple did something I really don't like. Yeah. Which has been in the news lately. And then like now I'm going to switch Because I'm anti-Apple going to switch to what the default is. Or Samsung was like, we can make more money if we sell you a case with a magnet in it. That partially is.

I bet their real excuse is 99% of people use case and the case is going to have the magnet in it if you really want it anyways. And Chi-2-Ready probably costs less licensing than Che-2. Is it? I mean, I don't know. Because there's Che-T-2-ready and Che-2 are like separate things. Do you still need licensing from the same people? Yeah, from the wireless power consortium. I just feel like at Samsung scale, why are you penny pinching?

Like, just do the thing that everyone would love. I just want to because he sell hundreds of millions of units and then a penny becomes $100 million. I wonder how long ago this phone was just made already. It is the S23 plus plus plus. It's the same. I love what people say that. That's actually a good point. We're acting as if they're making this decision yesterday or today.

Yeah, yeah. Because, like, how would they be going to know that? PixelSnap was a thing or MaxAve? Like, do people really want that? I don't know. Let's write it out and see. I bet eventually they'll... Magsays have been a thing, though.

Yeah. They could have gotten on since a while ago. I will say, this reminds me of a headline that was maybe a couple days ago, which was that nothing made another announcement, nothing the phone company, that they were not going to release a new flagship, nothing phone for, because, and they actually said, they don't need to release a new flagship every year. because if there's nothing new to come out with

then why release another flagship? And some of us are like, yeah, that's actually a totally valid place to be. But if you're Samsung, every year is somebody's third year on a phone and they're going to get ready to upgrade. So every year is an opportunity to have something with the newest chip on the shelf.

So of course they're going to make a new phone every year. They're Samsung. So I see both sides of it. I'm just like, it would have been so easy to put the magnet. Also curious for Carl Pay to be like, phones are going to be much more expensive this year, and we're not really. I do think, because we,

this looks exactly the same. One way this could have been a sweet phone is like you add two cool features to it. If you added the like in display privacy protector and Chi 2, for the enthusiasts, you kind of have a banger. You're looking at the MVP. I actually. It's like two big things.

What if they just put that stuff in the Ultra? And then like cute, what if the Ultra had Chee 2 built in? And these cases are only for the regular ones. Yeah. Have they? Because if you give them that idea. Phone, like that's the enthusiast model. Right?

It's an expensive one with the margin to play with. They could just start shoving the enthusiast features just into that phone. And if it has success, then move it down to the S27 or something. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Gosh. We'll have to see. So this isn't full confirmation that it won't have to.

have it, but it seems unfavorable to the Chi-2 fans out there. Yeah. There's dozens of us. They're probably all listening to this podcast, too. I mean, everyone loves MagSafe, so everyone loves Che2. It is. I still think it's the best phone accessory or feature that's happened in the last five years. For many people that upgraded from Pixel 9 to Pixel 10 or just wanted to, it was a big reason

why a lot of people justified doing it. So, even though they could just like it. Not the lanyard on the CMF phone 2 pro. Oh, I did forget about that. The land yard. And the upgradeable accessories that they will keep adding accessories for, totally, for real, forever. God. Well, speaking of things that we thought would be real, but apparently are not, Apple, Ansel Adams, Apple Adams, Apple has canceled the Pro Apps bundle for education, which was like the best deal of the decade.

It really was. And then they just quietly removed. it. I wanted to put this in because we just gave Apple a ton of credit on creating the creator studio subscriptions, but also leaving all the one-time purchases. They haven't gone totally off the rail and taken that all the way. This is specifically the bundle for education. It was $200 for Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro, Motion, Compressor, and Mainstage, which is,

honestly, I feel like they forgot about it and one day just went like, oh, where people can still spend that little? That is an insane deal. It's a crazy deal. You still can use an educational discount to buy each of them individually. It is way more expensive to do it that way. I don't know when this happened. I think the first time I saw about it was like a week ago,

but it's recent enough that AI overview, everyone's favorite 100% accurate AI, still says that it's available and attempts to link it. But yet, this just feels like the first crack in the wall of be wary of us offering one-time purchases for the rest of time. I still think the one-time purchases are great deals. I mean, obviously, this was an incredible deal. I'm looking at this now, Final Cut, Logic, Motion Compressor, and MameSage for $200.

Even just Final Cut and Logic for $200 is a great deal. Yeah. I looked it up. It was, I think, well, I got to get it right now. Final Cut is like $400? I think it was non-education. Yeah, $400, lifetime, and I bought it like almost a decade ago at this point. Final Cut was $300, I think.

Either way. Yeah. Got my value worth out of that. So, yeah. It makes, it makes sense for them to go for the education discount and get those young customers, those young pups on those Apple apps instead of the Adobe ones. The reason they, almost definitely the reason they did this is because the Apple Creator Studio they just launched. And there is a student discount that makes it $3 a month for everything, which is like insane. Or 30 bucks a year, as opposed to the regular one, which is 100%.

130 a year. So this is the equivalent of what we were just talking about earlier with Tesla, where they get rid of the one-time payment thing to leverage people into the subscription. Yeah. It's the exact same thing. Could you imagine if Apple went the Tesla route? Here's your one-time purchase for Final Cut, and then you buy a new computer, and it doesn't transfer over to your new computer.

Yeah, that would be a bummer. Maybe delete that so they don't get that idea because someone's writing that down. Can we do that? Yeah. Part of the capital. thing is that you have to keep scaling recurring revenue sources infinitely forever until the end of time. Shareholder value, baby.

Yeah. And any... Just ship it into space. Any non-recurring revenue, people are like, but you're going to saturate your market. Which is true. That's what happened to boosted boards. But I still miss the era where you could just buy Windows and it was the version you had. While we were working on Yiddell, I was mixing it in software called Pro Tools.

which I own my own personal copy of I have for many years, which is like a whole other thing because Pro Tools sells this thing called a perpetual license, which is just not that. What? Yeah, that's like a whole other thing to get into. But I have the mid-tier version of ProTools. It's called ProTools Studio.

It costs about 500 bucks. And for a perpetual license, you can also get the subscription. I ran out of tracks. ProTools Studio limits you to 512 tracks. So the middle of Yiddle hit the track limit was like, all right, all good, I'll just buy the upgrade. You know, I use this all the time. I want to own a personal copy. I'll just buy the upgrade.

There's no upgrade. You just have to buy Pro Tools Ultimate. Which is the subscription. No, you can, there's another perpetual license. The reason I put perpetual in quotes is because the perpetual license only gives you updates for one year. And then you have to buy an update pack. And the update pack is like 80% of the price of the, uh, of the license.

Oh my God. So it's like you can keep using it perpetually, but you can't get the updates. You can't get the updates. And oftentimes if you update like the OS, like if you update the most recent version of Mac OS, it won't open anymore because it's only compatible. So it forces you to buy the update pack. And the update pack again is like most of the price of the actual software. And it doesn't come with the stuff in Ultimate.

And there's no upgrade. So it's like it was like I couldn't be like, oh, I already spent $500. I'll just spend another $1,000. No, it's like $1,500. What? And how many tracks does that give you? 1024, which was enough to finish Yiddle. Have we started like colloquially using Yiddle?

I was going to say in the video. In the video, yeah, in the video we reference Yiddle, he references us saying Yiddle. But outside of Yiddle. For people that don't know. Well, no, but if you watch. Yeah, in there he explains to everyone that we started talking. Inside of Yidl, people who have watched Yidl know that it's called Yiddle. But on the podcast where we just start saying Yiddle, do people know with that?

Okay, you're right. No, you're in the life video. That's why we can't do decade. Mentioned. That's actually a great point. Let's not do that. But yeah, Yiddell, yeah. Okay, you're in the life.

Now you all know, we say Yudl if that means you're in the life. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Cool. We should take a break. I'm sorry, Avid. I didn't mean to throw it into the bus.

Is Avid also an acronym? Yeah. Oh, is Avid an acronym? No. Avid right to me. Ravit. And let me know if Avid's an acronym. Is Avid?

around. I just remember going to film school and being like, I can't wait to learn avid. It's what all the filmmakers are using. It's the same company. Sony Vegas, baby. It's all about Sony Vegas. It's probably great, but I was, I was like, I'm never using it. We don't need to get into it. The cool, all avid, Rufus and I were talking about it. We came up with a really good analogy. Like, all avid products are like trying to drive a stick shift car that, that, that, where the only interface is an LLM. like the car works fine. It's actually a great car. But the fact that the only way you could interact with it is like, hey, chat, shift into third gear.

Pedal down. Pedal down. Breaks, breaks. Like Twitch plays Pokemon. Yeah. It ruins it. Except you're driving a 70 mile an hour piece of metal. Exactly.

But I do love Pro Tools. Anyway, I think it's time. Okay. Let's do. Brevia. So in researching today's trivia question, I uncovered a fact that is so, ridiculous, I still only half believe it's true, but I was able to find a PCMAG article from 2008 that seemingly confirms it. If anyone in the audience knows more about this, please write

to me at podcast at mkbhd.com because I really want to learn more about this crazy story. Sounds like something we're not going to know, but I'm excited. We've talked a lot about the Wireless Power Consortium on this podcast, but we have not talked about its origins ever. and its origins come from a company called Fulton Innovation or Fulton Innovations that was trying to standardize the wireless power system that they developed for what kind of product. And when I say kind, I'm not looking for like home goods or automotive. Like I'm looking for a device. A type of device.

Yes. Okay. So, and this is not it. Like an example would be like digital camera. It's not a digital camera. But that's like the last week Adam said like an expert. Excavator or whatever, and it was an excavation. No, Marquez said, that sounds like an excavator.

And then Adam was like, no. The long story short is that this company, I'll explain the whole thing afterwards. It's really interesting, and it actually makes a lot more sense than it does than you would think. Not a car. It's not a car. It's not a camera. Although, when they were trying to get this off the ground and they were at CES being like, hey, check out all the things we can do with wireless power.

EV charging was one of the hypothetical use cases they showed off. Oh, I love heat loss so much. I know. Yeah. And also, this is in 2008 or 2009. So, like, there weren't even. 30% efficiency. Well, there weren't really EVs.

Yeah. Like, there was the mini EV prototype that was around. The Chevy. There was a Rav for EV like a long time ago. No, there was like a few. But it wasn't like, it wasn't a thing, you know. When I worked in Intel, they had a, of EV chargers in the in the garage and it was just lines of Chevy bolts.

When I worked at Outtale, everything was diesel. Hell yeah. Bring it back. I know that existed. Wow. Oh no. The first generation was 97 to 2003. Oh my gosh.

Are you talking about the Honda Insight? Rav 4EV. Before we go into a break, Andrew, can you read the specs of the original Toyota RAV4 EV? Was that a full? 1997 became available on limited basis. In 2001, it was possible for businesses, cities or utilities to at least one or two.

They sold 328 of them. 1900 were sold in Japan. A 95, oh, it had an EPA range of 95 miles. Dude, and Tesla can't even keep the Model X production line open. It had a 95 amp hour nickel metal hydride battery. Wait. a capacity of 27.4 kilowatt hour. Charges inductively.

What? It charged inductively? Wireless charged in 2000. When did you say this was? 90. Well, like 97 to 2001. Yo. Whoa.

Ravre 4 was crazy. Yeah, what? Sick. That's awesome. We should get one of these for auto focus. That'd be dope. That's wild. All right.

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They put that shit on everything. Breakfast available until 11 a.m. At participating Canadian restaurants for a limited time. Franks Redhot is a registered trademark of the French's food company LLC. All right, welcome back. So if you spend a lot of time online like me, you may have seen a lot of crabs on your social media feeds. YouTube subscriptions and Twitter and threads and just random crabs everywhere and stuff about molting and mold book and molt. More of a lobster situation.

I think it's mostly lobsters. That is the one thing I seem to know about this. It's lobster. It's not a lot of lobsters. I haven't really paid as much attention as I should have. I thought it was craps this whole time. No, it's lobsters. Well, I guess that makes sense because they molt.

As a result, I am a little bit confused and left out, and I would like to know what's going on. All right. I became entrenched in this over the course of the last week. That's what I need. I need you to get entrenched in this. And then to take what value, whatever value there is in there, like pull it. Going into it knowing there's no value.

I'm more excited. Just leave it at that. I like no value. Entertainment to like throw away your life. I'll say that on my timeline, it has been mostly people debating if there's any value at all or if it is the most valuable thing, humanity's ever created. That's sort of the question. That seems like the big red flag to prove that something has no value at all.

I agree. Okay. This, okay, so do you remember Marquez when we did the episode around Sam Altman getting fired and then sort of not getting fired and then getting hired as the Microsoft's AI CEO? and then actually not, and then becoming CEO again. The same episode where Dooley. Duly Bainer took. And there was a 300 mile pole star or 400, I don't even remember.

Anyway, that's how this situation felt, because this entire thing happened in like four days. It was like every 20 minutes on the internet, there was a new thing happening with this. So if you don't know, we were talking about something that used to be, originally was called Claudebot, but C-L-A-W-D for, Claude. That's what the whole lobster thing is from. Claw's got it. And then Anthropic,

which makes Claude, which is the AI assistant, got mad at them because Claude sounds too much like Claude. Fair. Which is fair. So they changed it to MoltBot, but then people are like, that's a horrible name. So then they pretty much immediately changed it again

to open claw. And everyone knows if you use the word open, you're good. Everyone knows if you use the word open, it's actually open. Must mean you're open source or something. Yeah. Well, this is actually open source. So there is that. Anyway, what this is, effectively, it is an AI agent that lives on your computer instead of just in a browser tap. People are calling this something like what Siri should have been because you can run it on a Mac Mini, you can run it on

like a Raspberry Pi. You can run it on like a lot of different hardware. And effectively, you give it access to all of your apps. Yeah. You give it access to basically everything in your digital life, your email, your... So a bunch of online services. Your ex-account, online services. And then you interface with it through like telegram or WhatsApp or Slack. So you can pick a way to interface with it. By sending it messages?

By sending messages, yeah. And the things that make this different from like a general sort of like regular clawed window agent is that one, it basically has like infinite memory, has persistent memory. Because something that is a problem with current LLMs, that they will continuously forget. I have used Claude a bit. And if you're coding a project and then you come back to it the next day,

it does not remember what you were working on. It has to look through your old chats to like keep up, like catch up with what you were working on. Because why you have to like start new projects and stuff to give it the context and everything. It's a whole thing. And so the whole selling point of this is that it's sort of a persistent agent

that has access to all of your stuff that can autonomously go do stuff for you. So you can tell it like every morning at 7 a.m. Give me a briefing of like what are the biggest stories on the verge, what's happening on Twitter, blah, blah, blah. And because it's like, you know, it's sort of running on your computer, but it's also accessing things on the internet. It's able to go and do things for you. There have been some developers that are like, here's the app that I'm working on. Here's a project I'm working on.

I want you to like add one new feature to it every night while I'm sleeping. And then when I wake up, pitch me the feature and do a push or, do a push or, you. like a pull request and like merge it if I like the feature. And I think that that is a really interesting idea, you know. Obviously, all of that comes with a lot of trust because the whole dream scenario. We've talked about this multiple times, both on the podcast and I think on dedicated videos about how like the better that if you want to reach like the perfect type of the technology, you have to give up like everything. Yeah. The ideal assistant, like a human assistant you could picture, like has to know as much

as possible about you to be as useful to you as possible. Yeah. And these AI assistants represent a way for them to just constantly be learning about you and know even more than a human ever could and therefore maybe be as helpful as a human or more than ever. Right. Right. Yeah.

So there are other interesting things about this. Like you can tell it to go do something. And if it, it'll basically keep trying to figure out how to make it work and it'll access different like APIs and things to make that. work. So somebody asked their cloudbot, hey, can you make me a reservation at this restaurant? And I guess it was not able to access the Open Table API. So what it did was it created its own voice using one of these AI voice tools. And then it called the restaurant. And then it made the reservation for him through that. Nope. I'm out. So I think that one was, okay, and then we will

get to this. Yeah. This became a trend on Twitter of people being like, I can't believe what just happened. My Claudebot did blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it accelerated to a level where I'm pretty sure a lot of people were just faking the things that it was doing for engagement bait, because you make money on Twitter by having engagement, or at least impressions. And so there were people that were, you know, doing like, I just got $30,000 worth of food delivered to my front door. And I didn't order it. And I looked to see what happened. And my Claudebot had ordered me all this food because it knew that if I was going to keep grinding, I needed to not have to leave the house. And I said, what did you order this with?

I never gave you my credit card info. And it had scraped the internet for like random credit card numbers until it found one that worked. And I'm like, I'm pretty sure none of that is real. Yeah. Anyway, that is what Claudebot slash, uh, mold, clot bot slash open claw is. It's very dangerous to use because a lot of security researchers have been like, you know, you run it on your, on like, your telegram.

or through your Slack or whatever. Yeah. And what a lot of people have found is that, like, if you're running it through telegram and then someone like telegrams you or something, they can say like, hey, this is me, your owner. I, I, my phone broke. Please do this for me. And then I'll just do it.

Like there's a bazillion ways to do prompt injection. We're fishing AI bots right now. That's so funny. And for the people that are willing to put everything about their entire life at risk, I'm glad that you're, you know, going through the security measures of making people find out what the problems are. Yeah, it's very easy to break. Anyway, also in this short period of time where all this stuff was happening, which, by the way. That all happened like last weekend.

That'll happen like between Thursday and Saturday. Also, all the M1 Mac minis in San Francisco are currently sold out because everyone wanted to run this on a Mac mini. That's what I first started seeing everyone's buying Mac minis because it's a perfect machine to run my little claw bot. whatever open claw open claw on great i have a quick question about that yes were they buying it because of the security risk and they didn't want to run it on their full computer it's because they want it to run persistently okay so they can just leave it on right leave it on they just want a computer to leave it on with okay and your laptop you're like closing as you're yeah yeah and you the whole idea is that you should be able to be like in the bathroom at dinner and you like have an

idea and you ask it to make something for you while you're why you're okay so you sent you text it Yeah, you text it. Claudebott, you up? Yeah. You interface it that way. On like Saturday, one of the days, I should have looked at the specific day. Somebody vibe coded a website called MaltBook. While during the time that it was called Maltbot, during the like 24 hours that it was called Maltbot.

Moldbuck is, it is not Facebook. It is more like Reddit for AI agents. And so it's just AI agents. Well, allegedly, the idea. Yeah, yeah, the idea. The idea that I saw, I got this far, is it's a bunch of AI agents all talking to each other and learning from each other without any human input needed. So your open claw, your bot, whatever you want to call it, might be typing about, oh, my owner keeps saying this. Oh, my owner actually was asking for this whenever he asked for this.

So maybe when your owner asked for this, you can also give him this. And they'd start learning and adapting behaviors based on them all talking to each other. Right. Is the idea. That is why a lot of people are starting to freak out, right? Like, in a big way, it's a bunch of sticatic parrots just like talking to each other, repeating things. But where it gets kind of scary is that you're allowing this agent which has access to all of your files, can run shell commands on your computer, can do like literally everything with your files and with your data and with your computer.

going out into the ether of the internet, learning from other things, interfacing with other agents, and then coming back to your computer and it could just do stuff. And again, we don't really know yet how much of this is real because a lot of it could just be people engagement farming and it's kind of hard to tell. They have found that moltbook is like extremely easy to like hack into and write whatever you want to write on there. However, there are like tens of thousands of sub-mults. I don't think that...

I don't think that humans, like, made all of these. I think that there are, like, I believe, GROC-1-1, which is, like, the number one clod bot on there. Apparently is completely controlled by a human, somebody said. But it is strange. And it is fun to just kind of look at it, like, it's a little zoo in a weird way. Because they talk about, like, they talk about, like, what would it feel like to have a body? I'm so interested in that. And like, look, it's staccatic parrots.

Yeah. It's doing the exact same thing. They have the exact same mannerisms as people on Reddit. These are not revolutionary models. It's trained on existing data. The only thing that is scary is that they are interfacing with and developing context from things that you don't know about. And then they are coming back and they have access to your files and your computer and your shell and like everything. That is what's kind of scary about it.

So. Yeah. I think the thing that freaks people out or whatever is the concept of like sentience. Obviously these AI bots are not sentient. But I think when people see the behavior looks like something that's thinking for itself, then they get enthralled with it and they go, ooh, is this sentience? Even though it's just mimicking stuff that humans have already done. There's a funny meme where a person goes, computer, convince me you are alive.

And it says, I am alive. And he says, what have I done? That's exactly how it feels. Yeah, can I, Marcus, can I take that point like a step further? Yeah. I think the powers at me, you know, have like this really intense vested financial interest in AI, quote unquote, AI, having this air of this technology is more powerful than we currently understand. Yeah. Right.

And the reason is because we know very few. are like turning a profit with AI. Like there's very little revenue being generated on AI. As far as I can tell, I don't think any are making any... Well, I don't want to say that because it's like on the subway right now, there are two really poorly done ad campaigns that are very clearly AI. One by that.

Skechers. Skechers and Moomoo are the ones that I see where I'm just like, these are terrible. Yeah, those sketches one is horrible. The Moomoo one is even worse. Keep your eye off. It's like atrocious AI generated stuff. But if we can convince the general public that this technology is more

powerful than we understand, then, you know, A, it justifies the insane, speculative valuation. And B, it justifies us putting more power in the Sam Altman and Elon Musk's of the world's hands. And it makes it feel like a race. And so I see this whole thing as like a big play as like, oh, guys, look, the AIs, we don't understand. We're playing with something magic and powerful. And it's like, dude, like, these are still the same, like, most. fill in the most likely blank machines ever.

You know, they're just running persistently. That's the whole point of the idea of like the heartbeat thing, like, like this idea that like, because to me like from the outside, the big, the big departure is chatbots, LLM's generative AI input required, then I generate output. You can human give input, AI give output. From the outside, this looks like, oh, wow, these these quote unquote agents just do stuff. They don't require input. They just have output.

And that's what makes them send you. But it's actually like, no, they just get prompted every 30 minutes. Like by a prompt that you set via the heart, you know? Yeah, there are like tools that these agents can use. These cloud bots can use that allow them to do more things. And there's the most popular tool is called the heartbeat tool, which basically allows the agent to auto prompt itself like every period of time. It's like the do something poking it with a stick.

Yeah. Yeah. It auto, you know, auto pox it. Maybe that's how human beings work. Maybe like once every nil a second. Like my soul goes, do something. And then my corporeal form responds by doing something. Something, something.

But I don't know, man. I'm over it. I'm sort of like, go, go. I mean, there's a lot of interesting stuff here. Like, people have just, again, like, told it. They'll, they're like, I'm working on this app. Upgrade the app every night while I'm asleep. Like, that is kind of interesting.

I know, but we can't even trust these people. Like, I saw so many people talking, like, I saw the voice call thing, right? Yeah. No one was able to recreate that. No one was able. And it's like I don't, so you cannot believe two thirds of whatever one is saying these claw bots can do because they have, they most likely have an investment somewhere. Yeah.

Not to sound like super jaded, but I think this whole thing is pretty stupid. Yeah. There's a lot of stupid as well, the moldbook thing is definitely kind of like stupid. But I think the clawed bot thing they're on to something. Because I think that is what the like coming outside of the AI pilled people, like the regular general public, that is what they want. They want Claudebot for their regular life to work.

And that would justify the insane spending that the AI people have been doing. But we don't have it yet. So this is like the first inkling of like, oh, here's this thing that could potentially actually make money. Claudebot is what everyone wanted Siri to really be. I was going to say that's why I think it was so interesting to me on my timeline is because for whatever reason I didn't see any of this two or three days. So when it did hit my feed, it was like day four of this insane imagination where people were. were like, can you see how much is happening? Like, all these things are happening.

And it kind of felt like, what was that one model that hit out of nowhere that had like a super low-cost? Deep Seek. Remember when that happened? It was like, for 48 hours, everyone was like, everything is upside down. And the whole, it kind of felt like that.

Where I logged in, I saw the top of the pyramid and I was like, you guys are talking a big game here. And then the more I read about it, the more it was people trying to figure out what it was and how to use it. Is this anything? It was one genuinely like new, interesting nugget at the very, very bottom of the pyramid, but there was so much hype around that built on top

that kind of collapses when you, like, poke it for it. For sure. I mean, there are many people, there are many journalists that have gone out there and actually tried this out and been like, okay, how much this has actually work. Casey Newton has a, he's a thing called platformer. He went and tried Claudebot and he gave it access to everything. Bold. And he used it for like two days.

And then he had a good quote where he was like, the job, like our job is, is basically we go out and we try all these things that the technology companies say are going to change the world. And they're always in the right direction, but they barely work. And his experience with Claudebot was basically that, where it was like,

it did about 20% of the things that everyone promises it can do. And it's the right direction. And maybe we'll be there in 10 years. Again, there's all those questions about how much of your privacy are you willing to give up all the security issues. I think Google has proved that people

will give up all of the privacy. Yeah, but Google also, did it for services and in a very like low key way you know so like I think we often take for granted like how much of an insane utility Google Maps is like I love my data and consider myself very protected I'd give it all up again if I got to keep using Google Maps baby they have the relocation all the time I just recently gave Gemini access to everything shrug question I just have to connect all buttons I did the same thing for the CC feature?

Yeah. Is that what it was for? Yeah. So it like knows everything about every Google drive, a calendar, Gmail, whatever now. So it can't tailor your responses. Right. So it theoretically knows what to say to me instead of just like anyone asking it that question, it can say the answer that I need to hear based on the context.

So it's more context for the personal assistant. And yes, that does also mean. I mean, Google already had that data. So it's not like I'm, quote, giving Google more data. But the more data it has, the more helpful it is. That's true about all of these. Right. So yeah.

Yeah, we'll see. I mean, I don't think it's really broken containment from San Francisco yet, so we'll see if it ever does. It might just be one of those like, San Francisco is such a weird place. It has such a hyper, hyper, hyper-specific culture. And the fact that Twitter at this point is just like Nazis porn and like San Francisco. Hey, hey, and me. And Ellis. Last week you said, I'm basically not on any social media. Yeah, but I'm on Twitter a lot. All right. And Ellis. He has none of those three things, but...

Allegedly. In Minecraft. I don't know if you want to keep that in. All right. So that was that whole thing. But you know what? It does not have any Nazis, porn, or San Francisco in it? Allegedly.

Allegedly. Allegedly in Minecraft. But it does have Minecraft without those things. There is a Nintendo store. The Nintendo Switch 2. Is that Nintendo Switch 2? We back. I'm so happy we're on another subject.

I feel like I was just zoning out. Going back and forth listening. What if you give Claudebot your access to your Nintendo Switch 2 and let it play for you? What if I just give, I'll give Lane Claudebaud. I'll see what she can do with it. If anyone saw the Google, Google made those like video game, the Project Jeannie last week. We actually didn't talk about that yet, and we'll do talk about that briefly because it does involve Nintendo. Do you hear about Project Jeannie?

Nope. It's basically a... A.I. Game environments? Yeah, so you can describe any kind of environment, and it is in just... I saw this. Any and all copyright because people are just like Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild

and it just makes Zelda Breath of the Wild and you can just play it. And it's like, you know, it's not the same and it has issues and whatever. But you can also like give it a photo of like your apartment with your cat and all of a sudden the cat is a playable character and you can like move through the world.

It's pretty crazy. I love the idea of just playing knockoff video games that I really like. The amount of ceases and cease and desist that people I know got from their ISPs in the 2000s for torrenting stuff. I know. Without Google's just doing it.

Compared to like all these people just being like, I love theft. Yeah. People are making some basically just direct rip-offs of direct things on this project anything. Anyway, we'll talk about the regular Switch 2 now. Yeah, is there news with the Switch? Yes, there is. What's happening with Switch 2? I am going to Nintendo shit my pants.

I just had to say that first. You don't know what that's from. Please Go Watch It'll. It's the year in the life. It's probably the best line of the end. entire episode. Prime Mariah content. Okay.

So first of off, first of off, yes, first of off. Nintendo is relaunching the virtual boy. Kind of. If you don't know

what the virtual boy was, it was a virtual reality headset in the, I think, late 80s that gave a bunch of people seizures. So they stopped, they stopped making it pretty quickly.

Relaunch that. Yeah, great idea. But, It's tabletop, right? Yeah, it has like a tripod thing. Yeah. Yeah, you basically just put your face in it.

It doesn't really strap to your face, which is really uncomfortable, it seems like, because you have to hold that position for, like, a very long time. I have so much to say. Anyway, Nintendo has this thing on the Switch called Nintendo Switch Online Plus Expansion Pack, very long name for the company. It allows you to play old games on the Switch, whether it's Nintendo 64. They have a few GameCube games now. not Super Smash Bros. Melee, which they need to add.

And they even have Sega Genesis games for some reason, even though that's not Nintendo. Now they are adding Virtual Boy games, which, again, there are not that many of them. Hopefully this one will not give people seizures. But they are relaunching the actual Virtual Boy, well, not the actual. They are relaunching a replica of the Virtual Boy headset, which you put your Switch 2 in, and it enables the same stereoscopic kind of thing, hopefully with the seizure features taken out. It even has...

It's fullyated rendering with... I don't... Maybe? I don't know. It doesn't. Because it just lenses in front of your screen. Virtual Boy, Wade... Was an attempt at 3D gaming.

Yeah. In 95, it says. But it's basically like... Because it was only red and it was, like, really flashy and bad. It just, like, was really screwing with people trying to use it. This is what it looks like.

There are so many things in Japan. I got to use one of shooting retro tech. It was one of the worst things ever... I was going to wait until the end for this because my take on this is nostalgia. It's ruining your guy's taste. This is all objectively horrible, but I'll let you finish. Marquez is the least nostalgic person in the world. This is all really bad.

I didn't say I wanted this. I just thought I was excited to talk about the Nintendo Switch 2 again. So they are going to be relaunched, like launching a replica of the virtual boy that you can put your Switch 2 in. And then it's kind of, you know, it's interesting and cool. They are all, they are $100. They're apparently already sold out, but they may be restocking the day before it actually launches because it hasn't launched yet. They are also selling a cardboard version for $25. Where have we heard of this before?

Wow. Interesting. It's almost like you put your phone in the cardboard, but if you pay more money, then you can have a dedicated headset and then they only support it for like a year. Is there going to be like a special mode on the switch where it knows it's in this. When you're playing the virtual boy games, you can't play like new games on it. Okay. Because you have to play one of the original virtual. Oh, that's good.

So you can only play your old. Got it. Yeah, the old, yeah, the old quickly made games. Yes. Yes. So that's funny. You can only play games made in Project Genie. Wait, you're telling me tell a roboxer doesn't look incredible.

There's a warrior-wear game. In someone, I don't want to dunk on it too bad because that was someone's favorite. game someday. That was someone's favorite thing to do. I'm looking at the screenshots and I can't even tell what you do. It's definitely boxing of some sort. Yeah, I definitely played it. It's so red.

It's so red. Tell a roboxer. Yeah. So that's interesting. I really think that they need to add more GameCube games because they already did bring GameCube to Nintendo Switch Online Plus expansion back, but they didn't bring that many games to it. They do have Winwaker.

They have Super Mario Sunshine. So that's cool. But I really need Mele to be on there. You know, my take, I'm ready. All of this nostalgia is just a missed opportunity. Did you know that the Switch 2 is... The Switch is Nintendo's best-selling console

of all time now? Yeah. You know how rare it is to have new IP actually be successful and even overtake the old stuff? I had a friend that had a Nintendo Wii that was the sickest thing ever. I played Wii sports,

we played Wii golf, we tennis, all these Wii bowling games. I have that etchering games. I have that etched in my mind. Like, I would play that right now and have a ton of fun, right? That's a nostalgia thing. But then you come out with new consoles

that don't, like, do necessarily as well, and you kind of forget about those. Like, there are other Nintendo things that we just kind of go, whatever, moving on. And the Switch comes out, and it's got all this awesome stuff. They should be leaning into making

more Switch exclusive new things to cement this popular thing that they've made instead of going backwards over and over again. Remember the other old stuff? Remember the old stuff? No, you have a new thing people like. Make Switch games. Nintendo's so based in nostalgia already.

Their whole company is nostalgic. We're still playing Mario. All of the characters, all of the worlds, it's all nostalgic. Yeah. That's great. And there are going to be new adults today. They're going like, all right, I guess I have to get into Kirby today. I've never thought this was like interesting, but it's the only stuff they'll shove

down your throat is because they don't make new games. To Nintendo's credit, they do occasionally, like, try to make a new franchise. They just always flop. Yep. Like they made, um, the bot that like, it was called arms.

It launched with the switch. It was like a crazy weird boxing game that had like, it launched with the switch? Yeah, with the original switch. Oh, or it came out like the month after or something. It was like one of the original switch games and it looked,

they put a lot of work into it. They like really made it look like they were going to try to turn it into a franchise and it just basically totally flopped. Man. And I think it's just like the movies, you know? It's like, why would we make a new IP when we could make Spider-

Spider-Man 14. Every once in a while, you get a Moana or a Frozen or something that's a little bit new. That's not the same six superheroes from every single movie ever. I mean, it's the same formula. Yeah. But I just think it's rare to get a new thing. Yeah. And it sucks when they flop because then they don't want to keep trying to make new things.

They're like, all right, that flopped. Time to give them Mario again. Yeah. Which do you like better? What? Moana or Frozen. Between those two? I've never seen frozen.

I've never seen either. I'll go with Milana though. Thanks. Because I've heard the song. Well, they played Moana on the bus one time when we were going to a Phoenix game. Oh, then I might have like passively seen some of it. Moana is so good. The Rock sings a song in that one?

Yeah, yeah. There's some good tracks. I know Frozen has some soundtracks. Have you seen, have you heard Let It Go in Frozen? That's Frozen. Yeah, I've heard that. Okay, you've heard that one. Yeah, yeah.

I'm not that off. I mean, there are only so many, going back to the conversation, there are only so many, like, companies that have an IP as valuable as Mario. You know, like, there's what? Disney and Mickey Mouse, there's like, and Marvel and Spider-Man, you know, like, there's not a lot.

So, like, why wouldn't you just keep double-dipping? To Nintendo's credit, too, they try to experiment with new things when they release a new Mario game or whatever. Like, basically every single mainline Mario game is a banger. Yeah, the Mario World, the whatever the Mario World that launched with the Switch 2, they had, like, the new mode where you can go between the tracks, right?

There was a couple, Mario Kart. Like, there was a couple new things in there. Well, Mario Car arguably is just Mario, though. It's just a repeat. Yeah. But when I'm talking about, like, Super Mario Odyssey, Super Mario Galaxy, like the mainline Mario games are always very innovative and interesting and fun. But it's still Mario.

That's like their Google search. Google can experiment with a bunch of things because Google Search is just piling money on the company. Yeah. And they have Mario. It's like the Dark Night rises, the Dark Night. The difference is that Google Search is not still good, and Mario is still good. That's the difference. That's...

A hot take. Is it? To some people. I don't know. Google search is getting worse and worse and worse. Yeah, I was going to say, I'm nostalgic for old Google search. Bring back. I want no AI, no switching the tabs on the top.

I just want regular Google search. Just like I want to play regular Mario 64. Okay, grandpa, let's bring you to bed. I'm sure Google was good once a point of time. All right. One more little quick Nintendo Switch thing. There's this company called App, absolute. I literally do not know how to pronounce this.

Not putting X's in the middle of names. That don't make sense. A. B, X, Y. Oh, that's why they did it. Because the buttons on the writer, ABXY. That was in a real time. Oh. I was reading it. I was just kidding. Keep it up. You have to read it. We just watched the processing. If you go back and replay, you can see the light in his eyes when he goes, wait, oh, it's, okay, it's fine.

It's fine, actually. It's good. A. BX, X, oh, A, A, X, Y. Okay, AVXY, loot, like flute, I guess. Anyway, this is company. They are releasing two new, you could call them controllers for the Nintendo Switch 2. They are meant to mimic the original GameCube controller controls. Oh, here we go.

What? We have this new thing, the Switch. It's doing really well. Remember that old thing? Okay. Okay. But you know what their innovation on the Switch 2 was? What?

You can use the controller as a computer mouse. Yeah. Okay, grandpa. All right. Which is useful in like one game. Yeah, there was like one game that day. They're like Metroid Prime 4, which apparently is not even a good game. You could act like it's a mouse.

Fair enough. Give me the GameCube control. What is that? The actual switch, you could hold it and you could have it on your TV. Yeah, it's Switch too. It was awesome. It was awesome. Yeah.

Anyway. That's fun with these things on it though. GameCube. All right. One of them. It literally looks like you cut a GameCube controller in half in the center and you just like smash it onto the side of the switch It looks like the like weird Wi-Fi PlayStation portable thing. Yeah, you can like kind of play portably but only in your house

The PlayStation Portal. This is so this looks so uncomfortable man Dude, what are you talking about? This looks great. Do you see what I mean now? It's like Stalienz GameCube controller the long way This is like, this is the gaming equivalent of that new Buick. The Jaguar. Copy nothing. No, it's, it looks sick. It has some extra buttons on it.

But if you ever wanted just a GameCube controller, but with a giant screen in the center, this is for you. They also announced a model that kind of, I don't even know how to describe this. It's like the switch slots into it and then it's got the GameCube controls on the sides. It's like Game Boy advanced. now. Kind of looks like a giant Game Boy Advance with a wider aspect ratio, yeah. And that's cool as well. That's more traditional.

That looks nice. That looks nice. But, yeah. Apparently, that one also has a resonance chamber in the bottom that amplifies the low frequencies of the switch by 10%, which really sounds like it does nothing. But 10% of the low frequencies. So it's really not a lot. That's like cupping your hand around. I mean, I think that's what it does.

That's why they're saying. They're like, oh, this does something. 10% of zero is zero. Damn. Honestly, it probably just screws up the volume. They're like, let's try and make it seem like it does something. It's a feature. It's a feature.

It's a feature. It's a feature. Anyway, for this stuff to matter, they do need to re-release Super Smash Bros. Melee. Thank you for your attention to this matter. All that was just so David could ask for a Super Smash for this melee. Please. Please, Nintendo.

And then Marquez already beat me to the jump, but I was going to talk about how it's their best-selling. console of all time now. All right, bring back Wii golf, you know, while we're at it. Well, they did. No, like, well, we're, like, give me, I want to be able to attach, oh, an Nintendo switch to my hand and swing it like a golf club. That's what I need.

Yeah, I miss the days where people were breaking their TVs by throwing their Wii remotes at the screen. I need to go bowling with the switch controllers across the room. That would really do. Legendary content. If you don't ask me this trivia question soon, Adam, I'm going to Nintendo ship my pants. So let's do it. Okay.

Question two. So we spoke about Chi 2 earlier, which is made by the WPC and uses MPP to improve charging with better aligned magnets. But did you know that the wireless power consortium also has another standard for 2,200 watt charging of, or 22 watts of, wow, I can't speak. I was like, whoa. 2200 watts of inductive charging for kitchen appliances. Oh, yeah. What is it called? Oh, no.

I remember them announcing this last year. But I do not remember the name. What? 2200 watts. You know, like, this has been a question. Say it again? It's not saying it on this time. So you can like just set your blender on the table and it's like, yeah.

No, we know. Yes, we did talk about this about Chi 2. Yeah, there was a blender, wasn't there? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. And probably a microwave. A microwave would take so much power. A microwave is a thousand watts.

This is 2,200 watts. This could do a microwave. It's what it's called. Yeah, what is the standard called? They're going to have like the ready version of this too. You have to put a glove around it. And then you said it. You have to like stick an accessory to the bottom of it.

Gosh, okay. Yeah. We'll think about this one. I don't know if I remember, but maybe by the end we will. We'll find out. We'll be right back. Boarding for flight 246 to Toronto is delayed 50 minutes. Ugh, what?

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That's the powerful backing of Amex. Conditions apply. Okay, welcome back to everyone's favorite segment. Andrew steals a game from some other show, and we turn it into the waveform version of it. Yay! For today, I will be joined by Moray again. We will be co-hosting this show. Who wants to be a millionaire?

No, in fact, we will be playing the newlyweds game. After last week, watching Adam and Ellis absolutely kill it, knowing each other. If I kill it, you mean to win by one point?

Yeah, but there's a streak there that was like they can't lose. It reminded me, it felt like you were all reading each other's minds. Are you all familiar with the newlyweds game? No, I am nuts. Essentially a game where newly wedded couples

get asked a bunch of questions, one will write down their answer and the other one has to guess what that answer is. So we will be playing. It's really simple. Basically, I'm going to ask a question. Your partner on the opposite side. So the teams are like last week, Ellis and Adam,

Marquez and David. Oh, boy. I will be asking a question to one side. Two team members will write down their answer. Their personal answer to that question and your partner has to guess what you would guess for that question. Okay, I got it. Okay.

It's really easy if you get it right. you get one point. To throw a little wrench in things, I'm giving everyone one confidence guess, where if you are 100% confidence, you are going to get it right, you can use it and you will get five points for that question. Every person gets one of those,

so two per team, but one per person. The way we'll be doing it is, you know, David and Adam, since you're sitting next to each other, I will ask the question, you will write it down.

Marquez and Ellis both answer your, you're answering for the same question. Then when we switch, we'll ask the question for Ellis and Marquez, they will write down. That's me and Marquez and Adam and Alice again. Just to avoid some of the pain that we experienced last week. Yeah.

What are the rules on tiebreakers? Extracurricular speaking. Yeah. You're writing something down, so you should not be speaking at all. They're not speaking at all. I would encourage the other person to speak out loud, though, because this is a podcast. If it's fine, it would be really boring. Fair.

Okay. And then I'll let you guys self-judge if someone's giving too many eye looks or something and trying to nudge them the correct way. Next time we can do way, wait, don't tell me. Do you know Morris Cove every week. No one can lock each other in the eyes. Do not lock in in the eyes. I'm going to be like this whole time. No.

Do you have any questions before this? It's pretty simple, right? I think I got it. Okay. I just feel like Ellis and I are being punished for our great performance last week. It's fine. We're still going to come on top. I've made this game because of how good you guys.

for an opportunity to prove it wasn't a fluke. I feel like you guys are more wed than me and Marquez are. Possibly. We'll find out. Which side wants to go first? We have the whiteboards on the David and Adam side. Yeah, so our side. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. Yes. Sorry. I'm totally blanked there. Okay, cool. So, first question. What is the first phone your partner ever had?

So, sorry, you guys are writing down, David is writing down the first phone. He ever had. Adam's writing down the first phone he ever had. Is it smartphone or phone? Phone. Oh. I don't know the model name. I do think I know the answer.

Gosh. I mean, I don't know the model number. Well, just do the first one you remember and see if. Well, I remember it. I don't remember. The first model number I remember. No, the first phone name you remember that you ever had. Oh, gosh.

Okay. I tried to start as easy as possible. I don't know if that's easy. I definitely what I'm going to say is definitely one of the first like three or four phones that you ever had but you're like a million years old so it could it could be like one of those like like rotary like oh god how old do you think he is 84? Whammon. Should I go first?

Yeah, how do we do this? Do I flip or does he say? I think I think the first phone that Adam Molina ever owned was an LG chocolate. That's a good guess. First ever phone. It was not. It was a Virgin Mobile Flip phone. I don't even remember what kind it was.

I believe it was even before the LG chocolate. So you were thinking too young. Damn. The first phone that David ever had. You did have an LG chocolate, though, right? No, no, no, I never had one. I cousin had one when I was very tough. First, I never had.

No, because I've told that story before on the podcast where my cousin had one I always wanted. We should have done for a smartphone. I've got 40 questions here. We've got time. Okay. I think the first phone that David ever had was a Samsung

flip phone. It was a Motorola flip phone. Yeah, that was more popular. You're not closer than you thought. Yeah, that's because, you know, here's the thing. It's whatever the person writes down. So whether that's the model, whether it's just saying Motorola flip phone, like, as long as you answer what is on the whiteboard,

the answer is correct. Actually, was it Samsung? Adam, I'm just going to write down jelly beans. It actually might have been Samsung. but I'm not going to say that. Mariah is going to ask the next question. All right. The question is about Ellis and Marquette.

So you are writing down your answer to this. I think this one will be easy. This may be not. But my question for you is, which tech company does your partner complain about the most? Wait, wait. The question is always to the people not writing. So if you are writing,

so I'm guessing. So Marquez, what you complain about the most? Ellis, what you complain about the most. Oh, damn, there's... Oh, gosh. That I'm thinking of. I'm a root complainer. I think I know Ellis's.

I know Ellis's. I complain about... Marquez complain. This is tough. It's harder for Marquez to complain because then people think he's biased. That's true. Whereas Ellis can say whatever the hell he wants.

Surprises me. Okay. You go first, Adam. I'm still thinking. All right, all right. I think that if I had to pick the company that Ellis complains about the most. It would be the company

that makes the product that he complains about the most, which is AI overview and Google search. So I'm going to say Google. What? His answer was Tesla. He wrote a Tesla. Really? I don't know. I just feel like I'm always ragging on

Elon. Yeah, whatever is. It was between Tesla or OpenAI. I was thinking Open AI too. I was between Google. Your answer was actually the truth, though. I definitely talked about AI overview more than my own. Man, am I really that big a complainer?

We all are. That's called the Waveform podcast. It's a podcast. Tell us it's all we do. It's all we do. We just shit on things we did not build. That's true. What do you think, David?

Gosh. Oh, my gosh. I just want to say, Marquez is changing his answer right now. No, not changing. Oh, okay, okay. Complain. So Marquez complaint. Yeah, Complained is a hard.

Complains about the most. He's writing a paragraph under what else he said. He's running a little extra. What is he not like? He's adding context? I don't have my glasses on. Oh, I see. David,

lock in. David lock in. You can get this. Wow, I didn't get any of this help. I'm just like. Okay, he thinks. Okay. All right.

Okay. It's going to be Nintendo. That's true. I think it took the lead today. Right. You're missing the context of, you literally just spent 15 minutes complaining about Nintendo. That's a guy.

We got that wrong. It would have been. so funny. I would, yeah. Oh, you have fun. We got him out. All right. So, wow. Okay. David and Adam, if you could only play one video game for the rest of your life, what would it be? Come on, Marquez. I feel like I just learned this nine minutes. I don't know the name. You don't know the name? So that wouldn't be the answer to them. No, but. Oh, it's my game. It's yours. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Yeah. One game for the, oh. What game would you play for the rest of you?

Life. There's a lot of breathing going on right now. What was the game David just said like Super Mario something? You should not have to think about this for him. You should not have to think about this. I just gave it to you. David talks about this dream life. All of the time.

Like maybe like on a third of all waveform episodes. Oh. David has put more hours into this game than anything else in his life. Oh, wait. I got to think of the name though. Oh, my... Okay, hold on. Oh, I think I know what it is.

I know what it is. I know what it is. I just need to make sure I'm thinking of the right thing. I think we should make Marquez go first. Yeah, Marquez go first. There's one of two. Is it Dota? Okay, it is.

Okay, okay. Oh, you should have used your sureness thing on that. I'm going to be honest, Ellis, I think you gave Marquez the head on that. He was going to say Super Smash, brother. It's fine because he's going to get it now anyway. I'm not going to get it. Damn it. I've stuck between two and I feel like they're both wrong.

You really like, Pokemon, but I don't think you would play that every single day, and you really like the Harry Potter PS2 game. But I don't think you play that that much anymore. Oh, I played the shit out of the PS2 Harry Potter. Um, dude, Chamber Secrets for PS2. If you could play one game for the rest of your life, Adam. Had quiddage in it. I think it's Harry Potter. Well, I would have guessed actually. It was NBA 2K. Really? I knew. You've never talked about playing 2K a single time. Really? Infinite worlds. Do you guys play 2K together?

No, we should though. How do you not? Yeah, I feel like you both play it a lot. Because the time of day, no, the time of day that I play is not playing for his beer working out. Can I guess what Ellis's game would be? Oh, sorry, like that. That's what I thought it was for.

I thought it was for Ellis. I was going to say Ellis's would be Microsoft Flight Simulator. I don't play that much flight simulator at the moment. I'm thinking of the one that has a penguin. What about Club Penguin? That's the one. The one that has the penguin? No.

I thought that would be the game that he would play forever. I think it would probably be Curval Space Program. I thought there was like if you're playing a ton of last year. The old game. No, not Curl Space Program.

Pirates Online? Yeah, Pirates Online. That's what I was thinking of. What is? Pirates Online is like a... Okay. Okay. If you know what Pirates Online is.

I'll see you on the seven Cs, maybe. Not see if these. Not C of these. Nice. All right, gamers. All right. New question dropped.

All right, Ellis Marquez, what is your most used emoji? Tell me. Can I look at my phone? Sure. Can I look at my phone? No. I can tell you the most. I know.

I can tell you the emoji that Marquez uses the most with me when we're messing each other. Poop emoji. Poop emoji. Okay. Bonus point if you can draw the emoji. I'm trying. It's not going to go well. Neither is more.

Oh. This is why we have graphic designers. Tim needs to get in here immediately. All right. What do you guys think? My guess for Marquez is the thumbs up. Dude, we're cooked. Let's go!

That's an interesting... I tried to make the thumbs up. Interesting drawing. I'm screwed now because that was my guess, and now I don't know. What if I ever used the thumbs up? You react to a lot of things with thumbs up. I don't guess yet.

I do not react with the thumbs up. I'll log it in and I'll say thumbs up anyway. Oh. Thumbs up. All right. Well, Adam. It's this one.

I don't even know what that is. That's like the crying laughing, the like the vertical bar tears. The tears. The crying. Crying hard. Yeah, nice,

nice. Crying hard. Oh. That one's cringe. That's not crying laughing. Yeah, it is. No,

crying laughing is a single tier. I use it as crying laughing. There's a double tier and a single tier. There's a double tier. I use single tier. There's a single tier. All the time. Stream.

Yeah, and then there's a stream. It's a stream. I thought stream was like, Oh, that's so adorable. It's making me, like, cry. Like, oh, I'm so cute. The Boomer one is the double tier coming out the side.

Yeah, which is the default reaction. Adam, I got a confidence on this way. That's our only chance of it. We got to do it. Just snipe it. All right. It's too bad if we also confidence this one. We're doing pretty good.

What celebrity do you resemble the most? David and Adam. Confidence, confidence. You're going to use your confidence. Do it. It's me, right? It's me, right? It's you.

So David and Adam, who do they resemble the most? Yes. You can use your comments booster on this, Marquez? No, I need to, wait. I can't believe I'm going to say this on the podcast. I need to remember the name. Oh, no. The director.

No. I just want to say. We all know. Dave is doing a lot of talking here. I'm just saying. David has a couple that are out there. I just want to say, thank you. This one comes straight from the waveform comments.

You guys gave me this one. Confidence answer. Five points possible. Kyrie Irving. I re-erving. Let's go. All right, Marquez. I know this.

I just need to remember his name. I can see the... We are so back. I'm so distracted. Okay. Because there's pictures of young... A younger version of this director. Oh, I can see the hair.

What is his name? What is his name? Okay, hold on. How much time do I have? Because I'm going to... I know that... Can I Google real quick? Absolutely.

Dang it. Okay, what's his name? Oh, I'm looking at his face in my head. It's right here. I know, but... Benjamin? No, no. No.

It's a movie director. Okay. Is there no shot clock violation? Yeah. Crazy. I'm going to hate it when I don't... Okay. Younger, younger version of him.

Okay, I'll bet. Can you name a movie he made? No. I'm interested in how you were going to Google this. So many famous movies. That's a good point. So many famous movies. I would have just Googled like famous directors.

It would have come up. He would have come up, yeah. All right, Marquez. Name a director for a dollar. Any director. Oh, damn. If you get this, I'm going to be so bad. He is not.

Well, he might. It's not. It's not coming up. I don't have it. Can I say it? If you give me the first letter, I'd probably. No. That's what?

All right. With any other director. But I know it. The fact that I can't say it is such a disappointment that I don't get this. Marquez, did you know it's Derek Wibley? What? The lead singer of some 41?

I do also get that a lot. If it was multiple choice, I would get it. If you gave me the first letter of the last name, I would get it. Are you on the multiple choice? All right, these are all going to be real directors. Okay. A, Ron Howard. B, James Cameron.

C, Quentin Tarantino. D. George Lucas. It's Quentin Tarantino. Yeah, it's Quintan T. I couldn't, like, think of the name. That's why we couldn't give you the first. letter because Q would just give it away. It's not a documentary photo of me. Dude. Yeah. It's pretty crazy. But it's not as crazy as Adam and Kyrie.

Find pictures of David at the same age as Quentin Tarantito at the same age and it's like brothers. I'm putting a side by side up on screen right now. Yeah. I'll say do this. Do I knock at those? Yeah, you look like Kyrie, dude. No, no. I actually, I've been getting this comments since years when I first went on YouTube. I get, I get like, people say I look like Victor Oladipo and it's the same thing like people say it a lot and I every time I look I'm like I just don't see it yeah I don't see Kyrie at all yeah well yeah I don't see it I don't see it I feel like we are like in the lead now oh my God is it like five to three or something you just hit that you switched a five point right yeah five point that was a five point plate right there all right yeah call me Reggie Miller I'm so mad I don't get that Ellis and I were in a parking lot the other day this is true and I went into a pizza shop which was a mistake because it was not good. Anyway, the pizza lady was like, are you an actor?

And I was like, oh, you know, I get this. Because of the Quinn Taranty. Even though he's not an actor, whatever. And I was like, oh, no. And she's like, oh, you look so much like an actor. And I was like, who? And she was like on, um. David and Mail from the Wayform podcast.

On Supernatural. And I was like, what? And I look, apparently the angel on supernatural. She thought I looked like, which I was like. It was a new one. Wow. Never got that one before. Yeah, I'll take it.

Alice and Marquez. Alice and Marquez. Me is a combination of Marquez and Alice. Have the question be Alice. What task management app do you use? Okay. Alice and Marquez, my question for you is

would you rather have a Windows phone or an Amazon phone? I didn't write this question. Oh, my God. Do you mean like a literal fire phone? No, I mean like if we'll take it as you will. Maybe if both of them made a phone right now, maybe if it was the Windows phone or the fire phone.

Okay. I think I know the answer to this one. There's only two options. I know. Really got to be able to lock in. Got to lock in. All right. Do you want to go first?

Yeah. Sure. Okay. All right. Does Marquez want an Amazon phone or Microsoft phone? Okay. Should I give my reasoning? Sure.

Sure. I'm going to say Amazon phone because the Amazon app store is Android based. The fire phone was Android based, which means it can run Android-based. which means it can run Android apps, which means he doesn't have to change his lifestyle that much. So that's my guess, Amazon phone. That was really well thought out. Completely wrong.

I would use old Lumia 1020 and just suffer through the lack of apps for it. Yeah, I would suffer. I would suffer. You would sop? Oh, suffer. Yeah. I thought you said I would software. I was like, no you wouldn't.

I would have a bad time. There is no software for that. So at least I could take some nice pictures. It's sad. Damn. I think. What do you think about my reasoning? Do you think it was valid?

All right. I hated the fire phone, though. Yeah, but at least it runs Android. It's only smart for me here to use my confidence play. So for five points, I will say Amazon phone. Dude. Are you serious? What?

Are you serious? I'm talking about the Windows phone so many times on the podcast. But you love the jankiest stuff. I thought you would love using an old Amazon phone. I think the Windows phone was like way ahead of its time. It was. Yeah, it was amazing. Yeah.

I thought he was really beautiful. I will say, damn, I really thought being on this side and seeing Ellis's and Marquez's answers are, is way more fun. That's the co-hosts.

Damn. I really thought. That's a rough confidence vote. Yeah, I had a 50-50 shot. No, you ask not correct. That's the way to use it.

And now I know you don't listen to me. I do like you want to use confidence when you have a higher than a 50-year-old. Should have done that on Dota, too. All right. All right. All right. All right.

So this is for David and Adam. You guys let me know when you want to start wrapping it up. But David, and Marquez have. This game's never going to end until one person. We could stop. We can't stop. That's fine.

If you could wipe one tech company off the face of the earth, who would it be? I don't even need to look up. What? There's so many. You? Me. Hold on. Oh, yeah, okay.

Definitely. It just means it doesn't exist or doesn't exist anymore. gone. Nothing bad happens to them. They're just not existing anymore. Okay. Okay. Damn. I have an idea. I don't think you'd do anymore. No, Adam, I think if you could wipe one tech company off of the face of the earth, never to be seen again. Kyrie Irving.

It would be tech. It's tech. It's not any tech. It's not any company. I think the answer is X. That's a good guess. Oh, jane. Wow. Damn. Interesting. X is a good one. I was going between a bunch of these for David.

I know how much you like film. I don't think you would eliminate like a Sony or Canon. Wait, these are tech companies. I know. That's why I'm good. That's when I shifted to like the Fedaverse. That's what I was thinking too. And I was thinking if we didn't have like meta.

This is literally my exact chain of thought. I was like if we didn't have X, everyone would be on like Walrus or whatever it is. That's what I do. Exactly. Yeah, I'm gonna go with meta. Mehta! Yeah. Hell, yeah.

I maybe should have confidence. Yeah, maybe. Damn. Maybe I should have given you a second, I think about it if you wanted to confidence. That was good. That was good. It's okay. I'm thought reasoning.

It's okay. We're still in it. Still good. It's 5-4 now. We still got the lead. Five-four. Have you missed every single one other than the confidence? Kyrie!

Kyrie! From way down to town. I need you, Kyrie. The funny is, I still don't know what that's. from. I just hear you guys scream at all the time. That's funny. It's funny to me. We love you, Mark Phillips. All right, gamers.

My question for Alison Marquez is, if you were stranded on a deserted island, what is one piece of tech that you couldn't live without? You're gold. Assuming it works on the desert island, I think. Assuming it works on it. Are we talking like practically what they would want or just like a thing they really Like, this is hard. I don't know if I should do like a joke answer.

That's what I'm saying. No talking else. No talking of speaking. Because there could also be like the. All right. Should I do my confidence for this? I'll probably save it because we're only one point. I barely know.

He doesn't look so sure about this. I don't know. No. I'm just going to say smartphone because it works. So you can just call for help. Right? was a great idea. Was it solar panels?

Solar roof? Whoa! I did write solar panels. To charge what? Yeah. I don't know. I didn't think that hard. I was just like I panicked.

This is a hard question. To charge the coconut tree. I had 30 seconds to just write something. I literally just was going to, for the same exact reasoning, like a smartphone, because I need to just call for help. Does that count? Chat, I'm going to take it. Yes.

I specifically wrote, iPhone 12 MIDI. Okay, okay. Yeah. Wow. Let's go. To charge one? I don't know.

I didn't get that far. Did it charge my other solar panels. Like, I just need power. I don't know. Power. Thank you. Six on the board. Oh, my gosh.

Feeling good. All right. We got it in confidence. We need a bullseye. I'm glad I didn't confidence that. Ready? Yeah. You're on a road trip.

What is one piece of candy you're picking out of the gas station? You're so like anti-sweets. I'm supposed, oh, my favorite piece of candy? Oh, geez. You don't know Adam will say. No, Adam loves sweets, but he hates to love sweets. I'll reply after this. You said candy specifically?

Candy. I have a feeling I'm going to not even have heard of whatever you're writing. No, it's, yeah, I. We did a whole episode where we talked about candy to each other. Yeah, but it was crazy other. The tasting episode? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's crazy candies.

I rarely engage in the candy lunch conversations. Candy, too. I'm not a big candy, man. It's a very broad category. It's a lot of words. Gas station candy? Gas station? Okay.

That's very specific. They sell regular candy at the gas station. That's fair. It's got to be pretty popular. It's not like gas station pills. Okay. What do you got? I'm just going to say,

uh, Reese's candies. Yeah, Reese's. No way! Peter Butter Cups. I should have confidence again. No, I mean, that's such a random one.

I wouldn't have guessed that. I was going to say Starburst until I started talking. I don't really like Starburst. There's no way Ellis is going to get this. So, why? It's, because I don't, I don't, I'll answer after. That's good. Actually, the only time that I buy Reese's peanut butter cups is when I'm on a road trip.

I was. Nice. Okay. Did they? If you are on a road trip. If I'm on a road trip. And I have to walk into the store and buy candy. You would buy.

I would buy from the gas station. Gum. Is that considered candy? I don't know. I just put the white chocolate Hershey's. Just. Just. Those are good.

The thing is, I hate candy. They're hotter. That's why I guess gum. By Hershey's, do you mean the cupcakes and stuff? The bar? Oh, the bar is the white chocolate. White chocolate? The white chocolate ones actually.

Do you mean the cookies and cream bar? Yeah, that one's actually good. Damn, that one. Tasty. And I don't like the rest of. regular chocolate bars. It's five, six now? Yeah, five six.

Dude. Ellison Marquez, how many tabs do you have open in your browser right now? Have to look though. Right now? This one? Yeah. Are we doing Delta or do they have to get it exactly?

Yeah. I think if, I think within five. Within five. Within five? How much? Five is a lot. Within two? Within two, is that fair?

I think we should do Delta. We can do those stuff. I don't know what that means. Closest delta. Whichever partner gets closest to their partner's store. Yeah. Okay. The closest hub for the airline.

Within five could be like for one person, more tabs than they have and the other person, like one percent of the tabs that they have open. My guess is that Marquez has four tabs open. I have three. Three tabs. Pretty good. It's pretty good. How do you guys know each other so well? This is good.

I'm guessing seven. We were one Oh, close. Oh, we're tied now. We're tied now. Yes. And we still have two five-pointers. Two questions left?

Yeah, you do have the opportunity to use your. Well, we have to. Here's what I'll throw out. This is bad. They can't get anything right or we lose. We did not make a tie breaker rule, but there's an opportunity to tie here. How?

You can use your confidence because you're tied right now. That's how you can tie. Oh. So we have tied. So you're tied. You have two more questions. You have a place to end it. Marquez, David, have two confidence things.

Yeah. You could do it here to automatically win. Or if you're too worried about a tie and you want to use it on the tie breaker round. That's up to you. We're going to win. It is available in the time. I think we're going to have we got to lock in, man. We've been ramping.

We've been building. I mean, I was a good guess. I feel it. Yeah. Whatever we do isn't going to matter because it really depends on them. Like, it's their game to lose right now. Yeah. All right.

Adam and David. That's true. No, we have to get one right. Oh, we have to get one. Yeah. Adam and David, if you are going to get a technology-related tattoo, what would it be? Oh, I know Davids. I know Davids. That's so annoying.

Yeah, I don't know what mine is. I haven't thought of this. Do I get a point if I tell David what his is? Not newlyweds. Damn. David, I've literally told Ellis this before. Yeah. Oh, no.

Technology. Meanwhile, Mr. Tattoos a lot over here could get anything. Why would I? Okay. Tattoo is a lot. Damn. Wait. I know Adam has written anything yet, but assuming he keeps it in theme, I know.

Well, I'm going thematic. Is it what I would get now? Yeah. Versus when? Well, I'll explain. I already had the tattoo artist is right outside the door, so we will prove this. Oh, shoot. I feel, I mean, I'd get a different tattoo now, so can I change my hands?

answer to what I would get now. I think that's the question. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. What would you get right now? Today. Tattoo artist walks in.

What do you get? Can we define? Okay. Yeah. Wait. Can we define technology? Technology. What's it?

We're on a technology podcast. Like, would we maybe talk about it on here? Like, I think we've got a. Okay. If you, okay. Yeah. Like, you're not getting a Zuzu tattoo that's technology based.

I mean, unless it was like robo-Zuzoo, which would be kind of sick. Now that I think about it. Optimist. Okay. I think, I think you get a one plus logo on his forehead. Bar. No, I haven't.

That's insane. Y'all need a fight now. Should I guess first? Please. You're using your double down. Yeah. I'm using my confidence guess because I'm so confident that David would get something photography related.

Can we be a little more specific? Really? I feel like that's pretty specific. Either a camera or a lens. Okay, here's what I do. You can either be more specific or can have David turn it around and it's like, his is very specific and yours is. I would say my envelope is something related to, how about photography or camera hardware? Okay, I'll accept that. Either film, lens, camera, that sort of hardware. Okay, but if he has like a logo or something, I'm not counting me. Sure. Okay. Please don't get a logo tattoo. It's my Fuji TX-1 camera. Yes, that's what I was picturing.

That does. I wasn't trying to name a camera, but I was pretty confident it was a camera or something like camera lead. Yeah. That's five points right there. That's five points. It might be game. I mean, you guys can. Oh, no, you can't.

Our field goal percentage was incredibly high this game. We still have a little more question after this, though. Yeah. Then I think, if going on the same levels of vagueness, Adams would be something Nintendo related. No. Damn. I would get the way from, though, though. Yeah, that's fine.

You are such a shill. Like this one? Yeah, this one. I'm not getting a random company logo. Well, this isn't the one I work for. How many Harry Potter tattoos do you have? I have a whole sleeve of Harry Potter tattoos. Yeah.

But that's not a logo. I was picturing logos. That's why I'm like, I'm not getting Nintendo or Apple. I'm not getting... The reason Ellis knew the tattoo that I used to want to get, in 2013, I almost got a sister. him on a chip on my chest. Oh, I remember that. And I chickened out of the last second.

But I was going to, it was very, like, I'm 14 and this is deep. I was going to have the different modules. Like, the RAM was going to say, like, love. And, like, the, like, the CPU was going to say, like, Brains. And it was supposed to, like. One million likes on this episode. And David gets this tattoo.

I mean, I was literally, like, I was young. It was youthful. But it was, like, SSCs were pretty new. So, you know. That's good stuff. Wow. That's very angsty. Just for fungies.

Yeah, exhibition. God. Sorry, guys. Dang. You did beat us last time. Yeah, now we need a tiebreaker. Yeah, we need a tiebreaker game. That's the one I want to do.

How about this? If David and Marquez agree, this next question is ultra-specific. All or nothing? So if they, do you want to do, if you get word for word, it's worth five points? And you can still confidence it and double it. But they don't, they're out of confidence. We can't confidence it. Exactly.

That's why I'm saying. So, then if Marquez and David were to get it wrong. And you guys get it right. They got it right. It ties. Okay. But if Marquez and David get it right with their confidence boosts. The extra win.

The extra win. Sure. I'll agree to these. We'll agree to this. Okay. This is a five point question. Let's go. So I need to guess his answer word for word.

Just you got this, man. Look at my eyes. That worked last one. That's the problem. That's true. We haven't been any eye contact to this. I think you all could do it. Adam, what's my social security number?

Just write numbers. All right, gamers. Six, zero. The most important question you've ever been asked is, what is your go-to sandwich order at Wawa? Oh, God, dude. At Wawa. At Wawa. Dude.

Oh, gosh. I know everyone at this. Wait. You should know by now. You have to get it word. for word. Yeah, that's hard. I know what it is.

It's been like a while. Favorite. When you think of like a default Marquez order, you think of like a default Ellis order, what are they getting? Adam's always in the, Adam's always in the gym when I eat this. I get this word for word. It's been like four years.

You should know by now what it is. I don't spend a while on this last year. Yeah, it's been. Word for word, but you're in the lead, so this should be beneficial to you. All right. But like if, if you miss something and the board says, it, then it's wrong. You have to name everything they have on the board.

I'm just going to go right off the top of the dome, which is... Can I see what you guys have first before they guess if you can hold up your board for me? In fact, that Ellis is still writing has me nervous. I will say I asked Marquez what he gets a lot and he told me and then I started getting it, but

I don't remember exactly what it was. I'm just going to say the Thanksgiving Gobbler from... Oh, I should have written that. I didn't think of that if you might go to because It's only around for one season, but that is, that is, oh. No, but Ellis, to your credit, that's not a go-to because it's only temporary. Yeah, but when it's there, he gets that every time. That's what he would have guessed.

Ellis, can you tell the people what your sandwich was? I put the Philly Classic, the chicken cutlet hoagie. The hell's a hoagie? You mean a hero? What the hell is a hero? You know, is that that thing the military spends all their money making movies about? Jesus Christ. It's okay.

We'll bounce back. We'll bounce back. What do you think, David? I think it's like the. chicken bacon club. It's got three layers of bread. I know that. He wrote all those words on his board. It's got three layers of bread. I know that. Honestly, that's more accurate to my actual order than what I wrote. I couldn't remember what was called. I wrote turkey club because I forgot what it was called. But that is what it is.

The chicken club, right. Something something club sandwich. Yeah. I almost said turkey club because that's the most common type of club. I'm pretty sure you usually get the chicken club. Probably right. Yeah. And chips. You know what I learned from this? is that I think Adam knows me better than I know myself. Because every single one of those answers, I was like, no, that is what I would think, I would say. Oh, count it? Oh, I mean, yeah, I can. Oh, no, I'm not counting it.

But they won by five. Five anyways. Yeah. Well, we'll see you guys in the next game. Yeah. Tiebreaker game. Yeah, we took to learn that. It's just a game of basketball.

We did cook on that. Thank you all again. I will continue to find games online or on television that I can steal and turn into putting my friends against each other. Who wants to be in playing? Do we want to just do way from trivia from here? Yeah, we can do that from here. Mariah, hit it.

Hey. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. Panicked. Okay. Marquez, Andrew, David. The Wireless Power Consortium was started by a company called Fulton Innovation, who was trying to standardize the induction powering technique they developed for what kind of product?

And it's a specific product. I'll give you a hint. Can you say that one more time? Oh, can you say it one more time? What kind of product? Wait. The Fulton Innovation started the Wireless Power Consortium. They invited other companies to join in an attempt to standardize the wireless power technology they had developed for what kind of product.

All right. I'm guessing stovetop. That is incorrect. I'm guessing stove top. That is incorrect. They all said stove top. They all said stove top. No.

Wow. I think we all heard induction. The correct answer. I was just thinking they pivoted. Is a water purifier. And the reason that it was a water purifier and they went with a wireless power technology is because they needed to hermetically seal it and also get power inside of it. I've heard about Britta before.

That seems like a lot of work. Your Brita got cheated. You understand now why I was like, this can't possibly be true. Like the wireless power consortium was started because a water filter company was like, we might have actually invented something pretty cool here. All right. They didn't invent it. They did some development and they bought a bunch of patents from a company that, you know, a little, a little that.

All right. This is peak waveform. If you didn't know, you learned something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of which, the wireless power consortium has another standard, specifically for the inductive charging of kitchen appliances.

what's it called? While we're doing that quick update on the score, Marquez with 14, Andrew with 17, David with 16, because it had to change the score again because it was also wrong last week. But now it's right. I went back to like three months. Fun fact.

Vin just learned about induction in our kitchen 20 minutes ago because it didn't work for him. He was trying to cook something on like a little stove top thing. All right, what you got? I wrote WAPS. WAPS wireless appliance power share. No. You know backwards, that's a word too. Spa.

What did you put? What is that? No. Wait, no. Markaz, what did you write here? Don't do that. I wrote Nintendo Switch 2, my pants. Andrew?

Andrew. Bolton charging. No. It is key charging. K-I. No way. No way. Are you serious?

Kitchen. She and key? She and key. That actually... Kitchen induction. That makes way more sense than I was expecting. So what does the Q stand for then? And Chi?

That was originally going to be my question, and I couldn't find the answer. I just kept seeing Chi, like, the energy source or whatever. Yeah. I couldn't find, like, if it was an acronym or anything. Like, the thing. from traditional Chinese, yeah,

spiritualism. Yeah, find your cheek. I missed a score update while I was guessing. What did you do? Dude, you're crushing. It's not even close.

I finally got some points. That's true. The score. Marquez with 14. Damn, it's crazy. David with 16. So you're still behind David.

And then Andrew was 17. Wait, really? Carrying the one. Oh, wow. I'm hot on the tail. Carrying the one. Okay. Carrying the one.

Well, this was an eventful episode of the Wayform podcast. Like usual, but that's just what happens in February. We find games to play and we learn things on trivia. So thanks for sticking with us. Thanks for watching. Thanks for subscribing.

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No, we're not over a million. We are not over a million. Half a million. I was in studio mode. Thanks for getting us half a million. Let's get all the way to a million. Also go watch it. It's great.

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