Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Tesla Opens its Superchargers and Weird MWC Gadgets?

Episode Date: March 3, 2023

This week Tesla opened up a few of its chargers to non-Tesla EV's so, of course, Marques had to test it out. He tells Andrew and David all about his trip to the charger before digging into some of the weirdest tech we're seeing out of Mobile World Congress in Barcelona. They debate whether any of these features will find their way into real products before talking about a few random news pieces from the week. Links: Autofocus video about chargers: https://bit.ly/Autofocusteslachargers Moto Rizr: https://tcrn.ch/3ZSG2tB OnePlus Concept: https://bit.ly/mkbhdoneplusconcept Redmi concept phone: https://bit.ly/redmiconceptphone Lenovo rolling laptop: https://bit.ly/lenovorollinglaptop iPhone short: https://bit.ly/ep157iphoneshort Google Keep widget news: https://bit.ly/ep157keepwidget Microsoft Phone link: https://bit.ly/ep157phonelink Samsung video: https://bit.ly/ep157samsungvideo The Daily Show with Hasan Minhaj: https://bit.ly/MKBHDTDS Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Twitters: Waveform: https://twitter.com/wvfrm Marques: https://twitter.com/mkbhd Andrew: https://twitter.com/andymanganelli David: https://twitter.com/DurvidImel Adam: https://twitter.com/adamlukas17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wvfrmpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hey, get away from my fries. Oh yeah, book with your local travel advisor or at All right, what is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. And this week, we'll have a little bit of a... Oh, my God. Sorry, I just caught my eye.

David, your shirt, it's so bright. Bright. It's really colorful. This is a choice, isn't it? Well, you know, YouTube commenter Ashmit Gupta said, Hey, just a small, very dumb thing I'd like to mention. Please, Andrew and David, wear something colorful next time. Because I guess it's just me.

But from their point of view, it seemed on the grayscale today. And it was just a bit uncanny. I did not listen to you. Sorry. But David listened for both of us. There's a little red in the corner there's a little red up here their side yeah for the audio listeners um just imagine incredible amounts of color being like forced into your gaze it's hypno frog yes 100 yes you can just imagine me in full

color perfect and you'll enjoy it it's face paint well okay so this this week i got a little story time for uh tesla opening up their superchargers, but also we have some wacky phones from Mobile World Congress to talk about. Then we'll wrap it up with a couple quick hits like a little flip they switched on the iPhone and some iMessage on Windows laptops stuff. But I guess I'll just open it with the story time.

I just got back. I just got back from a little road trip. So we've seen these headlines for the past i don't know months of years yeah a long time tesla's gonna open their superchargers to non-tesla evs and in the u.s there's two kinds of electric cars there's teslas and there's all the rest teslas can charge on tesla superchargers and also on public chargers for backup. All the rest charge on public chargers all the time. And we've talked about the reliability issues with those, the charging experience with those not being ideal. If you're buying a $170,000 Lucid Air and your best bet is

like crossing your fingers that hopefully the Electrify America charger works, it just doesn't seem to match up. So, you know, Tesla's have been the ones that I largely recommend in the US. But today, as of the recording, for the first time, that is now different because there are some select Tesla superchargers in the US. 10, I think, right now.

10 or something under a dozen that have been retrofitted with this new thing called the Magic Dock. And you can officially charge on them with a ccs car with a built-in adapter so today i went out with the rivian r1t up to the closest one which is actually like an hour and a half upstate into new york and i checked it out and i saw how it went so here's how it went uh i first i drove i got there i had like 90 miles of range left perfect i opened the tesla app and it shows like a map

of the superchargers in your area. You pick the one that's on the map and you say, okay, which charge port am I at? Because with a Tesla, you know, you just unplug it and plug it into your car and it's plug and play, it's so seamless. With this one, your car's not talking to the Tesla superchargers,

so you kind of have to do a little extra work. You tell it, I'm at stall 1B you hit the button, you hear a little click and it's actually unlocked when you pull it out the head of the plug has an adapter on it already that works with CCS and you plug

it in and then it's plug and play it just starts working and all the action happens in the Tesla app so there's no screen on the stall. There's no extra work. You have a Tesla account. It all happens in the app. And that for me worked fine. Like that to me makes the Rivian a better truck for me to own in this area because now I can actually reliably move around on Tesla superchargers that are reliable. It's not as fast as a perfectly working Electrify America charger would have been. I maxed out at about 155 kilowatts, which for those of you who know, a V3 supercharger working

with a Tesla will go up to 250 kilowatts. And a perfect condition Electrify America charger with the right car may briefly hit 300 or 350 kilowatts, which is crazy fast charging. But you know, it was fast. It was fast charging was fast charging it worked that's the bottom line so that was what was exciting and i was about to turn around and leave uh but i did want to stay for a little bit and just like fill up because i had to drive back here so i went and grabbed a dunkin donuts muffin and i came back and when i came back there was a lucid air two more teslas and an f-150 lightning dang nice like oh wow that got really interesting yeah so what's happening is here's the this is what i think is going to be the most interesting about this which is like okay cool more evs are more you know possible to road trip with but every single tesla has a charge port at the back left corner

of the car since they started making them and the point of that is tesla superchargers have the exact perfect cable length so that when you back up into the spot it just reaches and you plug in and it's the shortest cable for the fastest charge and everything's optimized and that's that's great but all these other evs all have the charging port in various different spots. I pulled up with the Rivian, which you might not know, has a charging port on the front left corner. So instead of backing in, I pull into a spot,

but I am technically in the wrong spot for the one that I'm charging at. So if you backed in, you would have been in one spot because I pulled it forward, I was in the wrong spot for that car, which is fine if it's just one of me, but what if more show up, right? So the Lucid Air shows up.

The Lucid Air has it at the front left as well. The F-150 Lightning shows up. It has it at the front left as well. And so now what happens is when the F-150 Lightning shows up. It has it at the front left as well. And so now what happens is when the F-150 Lightning showed up, there were actually three spots available. Only one of them was it possible for it to charge at because only one of them had the cable available on the correct side for that car. And then at that point, are those other two spots not available for even Teslas? Because it's used or one of those spots doesn't work for a regular tesla i think i'm gonna have to check my video but in the moment if another non-tesla

pulled up they could not charge i think teslas would have been able to charge well so okay so it's three empty spots next to each other right assuming that f-150 pulls in the middle spot yeah then it's using the charger from the left of it correct so that left spots now now can't from where a tesla would have been so even a tesla in that left spot couldn't charge right yeah and then in the right spot a tesla could nice yeah so basically the idea is if it's all teslas you'll maximize all the spots as soon as one non-tesla shows up and parks anywhere it can throw off yeah it goes from eight superchargers to seven to six to five because people are not able to correctly so it becomes actually like an etiquette problem because the lucid backed out and parked on the other side so that there was three next to each other so that the f-150 could charge so we all have to talk to each other to figure this out so it's like the urinal and they're like

it's gonna become this like unwritten rule of this is how you have to park yeah it's really interesting i'm really curious about the magic charger and how it works so so is it like there is one hose that is always in the charging thing and when you hit the button it attaches the adapter so when it's hanging in the new normal supercharging position when you arrive most tesla superchargers it's just the normal cable right you just pop it out with the button and plug it into your car yeah with this one it's sitting in an adapter already okay when you arrive so when you it out with the button and plug it into your car. With this one, it's sitting in an adapter already when you arrive. So when you unlock it with a normal Tesla,

you just pop it out like normal. If you unlock it in the app with a non-Tesla, it keeps the adapter locked onto the head and it unlocks the adapter. And so when you pop it out, the adapter's on the cable. So that's the retrofit that they came up with. Is there no way to steal the adapter? Is it like locked on to the? I didn't try. That's a really good question, actually. I guess, yeah, the pin that I unlocked

was specifically to pop it out of the harness, I guess it's called. So I never tried to take it off the end. I assume you won't be able to. I would hope so. I hope. Yeah. Something that's kind of good that happened, I think, yeah, February 15th, which was actually only like two weeks ago, is that the Biden-Harris administration announced that new $7.5 billion EV charging plan. And in order to be eligible to be one of the chargers that's going to be on the road, you have to have 97% uptime. Okay. Which compared to our experience that we had on the road trip is like night and day. That would be amazing.

Yeah. Yeah. Because currently it's like terrible. Yeah. And Tesla chargers have like incredibly good uptime. I mean, that whole bill, because that's the same bill that also basically had Tesla make this change, right? Because they weren't allowed to get funding from that bill or a bill previously similar to it unless they were for other cars. I believe once they opened it up to not only their own company, they were allowed to start getting funding, which we covered a few months ago, I think.

So that's cool that means through some of these different ev laws we're having in the u.s now we now have tesla chargers that can charge non-tesla cars and hopefully like way better yeah way better yeah it'll be interesting to see how they enforce that because i don't know how you can like just say you have 97 uptime i don't know if that's if they're gonna have someone out there checking all the time well remember when we were on the road trip and the charger that brandon and i went to that was broken we started getting tweeted at by like the new york state department of electric vehicles or something because they maintain it yeah and then they contacted ford and got really mad at ford yeah but that's what i suspect is going to keep happening we all think it should be up 97 of the time but who's gonna actually

do that yeah they'll they'll have to find some way to report in with it probably monthly or better than previously but i do think all the infrastructure should be ultimately getting better now that we're having more and more cars come out and now even if the people going to those chargers are not going to go to tesla chargers more they have even more incentive to try and keep up because they're even losing the revenue from that right it's an interesting choice actually if you are driving one of these vehicles the choice of do you go to a tesla one or a non-tesla one is kind of interesting uh my price per kilowatt was i think if you don't have an account i think it was 50 cents per

kilowatt which is like competitive but you can get cheaper at other chargers uh but then you have to risk maybe the charger not being up or being broken do you know how much that is compared to charging a tesla on it is it more i was i think it's slightly cheaper it's i said it said 10 cents cheaper per kilowatt if you have an account so i don't know i it's different per supercharger you obviously have to check i'll do the math in my video also on the autofocus channel so we can all see the difference yeah um when you say account real quick do you mean just an account that you have to make to go or like can i have a tesla account without owning a tesla you can have a tesla account without owning a tesla just so you can use the app and then but you won't necessarily have a membership which i think is a month oh that was

another thing we talked about the there was a membership that they were offering the last time we talked about this headline who knows how many months ago and probably the eighth time we talked about it but there's a membership to get cheaper charging rates yeah can you be a member without being without owning a tesla do you know i don I don't know. Okay, we should figure that out. That's interesting. But being a member made it 10 cents per kilowatt cheaper. Okay. So if you wind up doing road trips through a Tesla charger a lot, even without a Tesla,

it could potentially be worth it, but it's still pretty cheap to fill up, right? Yeah. So total, I went from 30 to 85% on the Rivian, which is a pretty big battery. It's 135 kilowatt hour battery, and that cost me 30 bucks. And it cost 30 30 bucks and it

cost 30 minutes so it was pretty solid um here's one more uh twist to the end of the story the f-150 lightning charging port is on the front left but it's kind of like back a little bit over the wheel you know where the badge is yeah and the cable was just barely barely long enough to actually plug in so i was there it was a youtuber actually who was there who was testing this he pulled his car up one inch from the stanchion oh my god to like almost hitting it to be able to stretch the cable taut all the way to like bend it around the flap because the flap blocks it over the top of the flap and it just barely barely worked those tesla hoses are really short yes yeah yeah wait and that was that was in the spot that where he's already using the wrong quote the wrong charging port yeah yeah so he if that hadn't worked we were going to try i have video of the lucid which was like parked

halfway out of one of the spots to work and then if the i think we were going to try, I have video of the Lucid, which was like parked halfway out of one of the spots to work. And then if the, I think they were going to swap after I left. So maybe he'll, his video will be up by the time this goes up. But like he was going to try swapping with the Lucid. It was, it's just, there's going to have to be conversations at superchargers when three different types of cars show up with three different types of charging spots. Do you think there's any chance they extend the cable? No, I think that's harder.

The problem I see with it, if they don't do that though, is now, so I already was going to have the question of like, do we see this becoming an issue in super popular supercharging locations like on the West Coast where there already is a line?

Like that's one of the, one thing with EVs that kind of sucks is if you're at a gas station line everyone only takes two minutes you're at a line for a charger and you need that charger you're there a couple hours so now if you have that position where one non-tesla ev is in there and taking up two spots essentially yeah you could be doubling or tripling that line very quickly yep and i can't wait till the public freak out subreddit has like fights because an f-150 lightning guy they're just like fights at the tesla supercharger but yeah i feel like tesla for their own customers needs to do

something to make that that's that was interesting so on i'm really curious how they're going to roll this out i think the ones that they've opened up so far are specifically some of the lowest use superchargers just so they can see how it goes like when i got there at you know nine in the morning or whatever i was the only one there there was one other model three briefly before other people started showing up to try to test and all the ones that are in our area were not on the map and i wonder if they're going to just not do that for a while, just see how it goes with the non-highly used ones because of the types of things I just mentioned,

which is like there are going to be people crossing over, people making spots unoptimized, and I don't think that's going to fly in the ones that have 16 stalls that are always full. So I think it's a wait-and-see type thing for Tesla, especially considering how that went um what else uh we did pricing how many chargers yeah i think making the cable longer would have been a harder retrofit oh yeah it's not even a retrofit at that point it's like rebuilding fully

rebuilding yeah right i would say though if they do get the funding to make new chargers and they make a lot of new chargers they should just try to figure out how to make the cable longer. They have to, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's also,

doesn't it kind of feel like the Apple effect where it's like when they opened up FaceTime for Android, it was like, yeah, we enabled it for you, but like, you know, in order to get the best experience,

you need one of our phones. Yeah. I think that's a, a really important thing to talk about because potent that might potentially be like it's not only that it's like we did it it's we did it and we can get a lot of funding because we did it but it's not the best uh i i honestly don't think that's and i'm usually pretty hard on tesla i don't think that's really i think they're getting the funding i do think they will try and make it a better experience for everyone, mostly because if they don't, they're screwing over their own their own customer base.

Right. They need to find a way, ideally, to make it available for more cars and also not make it worse for Tesla's. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of like, you know, an iMessage group chat where everyone's blue bubbles and then suddenly the green bubble shows up and screws up everything. It's like the same thing. Like when an F-150 Lightning shows up, it just ruins the optimization that was happening there. And I do feel like Tesla at least thinks about that. That's gotta be something they have in the back of their head.

I was expecting them to do like, if it's a 10 charger, what do you call them? Just a supercharger, a center station. Okay, like a 10 charger station like two of them have the retrofit but all of them were good yeah that's that's great i i would only assume they would try and make a way to like push teslas to the front of the line for it but it's possible that to get the funding they need all of them to be that way potentially like all new chargers are all new updated chargers interesting because this was an existing charger that was like they added the retrofit to make it compatible i imagine new

chargers will also have the magic that could just be to test it to see how it's going i really think it's a wait and see if i think it's a test i'm just gonna enable it for the dozen that have it now and like see how it goes you know our videos will go up they'll see the pr they'll see how the conversations go yeah we'll take it from there yeah but that was my morning one last question yeah when the tesla started showing up were they like what the what is happening do they think like people were did you talk to any of them i talked to all of them yeah uh one of them was he was watching both of our like two of us are youtubers and he's watched both of our videos so he was like charging in a model 3 and was like i just got this the other day like this is crazy you're all charging here um but yeah they just backed in and parked like sort of normal what's funny is i was going

to mention there used to be supercharger etiquette specifically because at v2 superchargers uh stalls next to each other share the same power source yeah and so if there's 10 stalls it's like urinal etiquette yeah do not charge next to me because you're gonna cut my charge time in half for no reason charge over there please uh now with v3 superchargers that's solved everyone gets full power but now you have this new problem so we'll see interesting thanks keep an eye on that the full video is on the autofocus channel for sure by the time this is out. So we'll see. Who's the other YouTuber that has the F-150 stuff? Let me find his name.

Just in case anyone wants a more in-depth F-150. Yeah. I like that you both brought charge. State of charge. State of charge. Cool. Also a video from the Out of Spec channel. He, like, last night as soon as it showed up on the app, drove up there and charged so like

people are testing it readily it's great so yeah so that was my day uh let's take a quick break and do a trivia question and when we come back we got to talk weird phones trivia time so quick Quick update. The scores. Yes. Marquez has eight. Andrew has six. David has nine. That's right. You're doing great, Andrew. Everyone loves you. Okay. First question.

So we just finished talking about Rivian. But do you know what the company was named before it was called Rivian? Oh my God. Sorry. I'll accept two answers because they had two previous names. What? Yeah. Two different previous names.

Oh, this annoys me so much. Okay, sorry. Wow. I don't... I listened to a podcast about this and I didn't rotate the information. Oh no. I know a lot of things about Rivian, but that might not be one of the things. Yeah.

Okay. I have no idea. All right. Answers at the end. Hopefully listeners retain this information. Retain this watch time. Be right back. Bet MGM

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Sometimes. Yes, sometimes. And then often announcements of stuff that's coming later in the year. So it's kind of like a CES part two two but specifically more around phones and that kind of stuff um so there's a bunch of announcements here the first one we got to talk about that i think uh i have a lot of comments on is this concept motorola riser it's called the moto riser which is their is their rollable phone and i just want to say just this moto rola was right there they could have they could they could have done it they could i was told that in portuguese rola means something not so they can't say on the podcast darn all right wait i think

riser is not a bad name riser is actually a throwback to an old flip phone motorola was it really i didn't know that yeah but just like it's spelled like razor r-i-z-r-i-z-r i see i mean motorola is huge in brazil so i probably need to be sensitive to that yeah but they could have called it the moto roller too and that would have been more motorola roller well because it's the moto it's's not even the Motorola this now. The brand is just Moto now. Oh, that would have been so good. Exactly.

Okay, that's S-tiered. I'd call this still an A-tiered name. Yeah. It's way better than a Sony phone. That might be the best thing about it. No, it's kind of cool though. So what is it? Did you look at it?

It's a rolling phone that extends its vertical height. Yes. By the way, this is all in the background of us. We did a video on concept phones, which my basic conclusion was like, they're fine. Yeah. But what they are is a marketing spin on failed R&D

or maybe just not ready yet R&D. So you do all this work, you do prototyping, you test things and then they get to the stage where you decide if it's going to go on the phone or not and some things are a no they don't make it to the phone but we did spend all that money and do all that r&d and maybe we just like repackage it and make one phone and like show it off as a concept phone and then maybe in the future it'll happen and then suddenly there are companies that have spun this into like yes every year we do a concept phone with a new cool idea and you talk about us.

So that got me kind of like on this little mini rant. This I don't think is going to ever be a real phone. I probably doubt it. It seems interesting. I mean, it's like this weird aspect ratio and the screen sort of folds into the phone itself. And then when you either press a button or change the direction of the phone, like you're watching a video, it rises like from the back. So the screen sort of folds around the phone and then a motor pulls it around the front. Yeah. And so much around the phone that. Yeah,

I know motor, motor roller. Just saying. Wow. So you can continue. Sorry. I didn't want to, I didn't want to interrupt the joke. But it's not that it goes inside the phone either it literally goes underneath and around the back and then there's a screen on the back as well yeah it's yeah so you go from a slightly short phone to a normal size phone yeah well no it's like a taller phone this is completely pointless i agree i disagree yeah same thank you but i think this is a poor implementation of it what would you want this to do okay here's my i just i would want it to have a customizable sound effect for when it rolls oh there's no doubt if if i can have it do like the jetsons car sound like this thing as it unrolls goes knowing motor think

about that knowing motorola there's no doubt there is a crazy sound that happens yeah like the old razor had a crazy sound sound effects pack of things that happened when you opened and closed it uh-huh i don't know but yeah what do you what is this i like that like i think this short form factor is kind of cool fits in your pocket but this is the so we've seen old rollable concepts that were more like this samsung fold where it goes from a regular size phone and rolls out wide like a square ratio this is the rollable version of like the flip where it's a small compact phone and goes to a normal size phone here's the issue many yeah when it goes up the extra like three inches on the top it's just this like super thin fragile looking screen

yeah that looks like it's gonna break immediately oh yeah and now the thing the when it's small you have the screen on the back so now you have this uneven back it's it's like when every single time we say two-in-one laptops i don't want a tablet that has keys on the back of it i want the back to feel right yeah so those are two giant flaws I see with this. There is also a thing where it automatically rolls out if it gets put in landscape mode, which seems bad because if it's in your pocket and happens to get put in landscape, it just

starts to roll it out. And then also having movable parts in devices is just kind of a bad idea. That's the main thing. We had those pop-up cameras briefly, which I loved, but let's be honest, they were kind of going gonna be on the way out there were a stop gap they lasted one generation exactly yeah i feel like with all these concept phones we should put them in the bucket of either uh never gonna happen concept or not ready yet maybe in the future concept yeah

this one i think is never gonna happen concept i still like they did it. I think it's fun. I mean, rolling screens could happen sometime. I think there's potential. Over a folding screen. Because if you could go from a square, small... It does eliminate the crease. Technically true. If the crease is the issue then yes but you you ditch the crease for a extremely fragile like well okay i'm not saying like this form

factors how to do it i'm saying i think there is potential for maybe rolling and maybe not even phone i do remember the rolling lgtv like i do think that has a niche area where that if you have enough money yeah there are lots of people who like to hide their tv screens and there's where they have it like mounted on the wall or behind a picture or cabinets and stuff like that so that is like a nice credenza where you can have nothing there and then a giant tv all of a sudden fair all right all right well very low tier of like might could be happen, but this is, this ain't it, bro. Yeah. Maybe.

Okay. Here's the next one. All right. It's the OnePlus concept phone. We saw this coming. This is the one we got to play with here. This is a concept of a active cryo flux liquid cooling thing. Yeah.

They call it cryo flux. So that's how, you know, this is going to go. That's how you know it doesn't do anything yeah so so the full the concept phone itself has these like see-through channels through the back of the phone which have this visible clear liquid with bubbles flowing through it which looks crazy like you've seen a water-cooled pc where you can like look at the water cooling it's like the same thing. You can see the liquid moving. It's got these tiny, tiny pumps. It has LED lights in it, so you can turn the lights on, and it will illuminate all of the liquid moving,

and it just looks like this cool, crazy thing. There's also a circle around the camera bump for some reason. You're cooling your cameras, too. But this concept phone doesn't actually cool the phone better than normal it's just a normal phone with lights and actually makes it hotter yeah it actually doesn't work very well but their idea was oh yeah we've tested a version of this where we do have it optimized well and we suspect it can cool your phone while gaming 2 to 2.1 degrees Celsius, which could give you 3 to 4 extra frames per second.

Wow. And can charge one minute faster. I think it was like a few seconds, wasn't it? It was up to one minute faster. Okay. Yeah, so yeah. Despite how terrible all of that sounded, wait, you're telling me that that really is water inside there?

I think this concept phone has distilled water and blue lights and the theoretical finished version of cryoflux is a special liquid that would optimize this okay it would have a way to dissipate the heat which it currently does not like an actual heat sink that it would run over with the water yeah the thing about this is all those bubbles like not ideal no it's cool to show that it would run over with the water yeah the thing about this is all those bubbles like not ideal no it's cool to show that it's actually what i thought it was fake i just thought there were no there there are there's a real pump system where it like changes the charge of a thing and because it slightly moves up and down it it sucks water up and then pushes it through another channel

yeah it's cool to watch um but well it's cool to watch because of the bubbles but the more bubbles there are the less it's cooling because it's more air than actual liquid like that logic applies to this entire phone yeah they did things that look cool to make it look cool that make it worse at cooling yeah like if you're looking at a water-cooled pc and you just see that many bubbles going through you're like i need to fix something yeah Yeah, exactly. So that was the idea. They made a phone that looks really cool and they presented it and they were like, but what if? I'm putting this also in never going to happen territory because, look, obviously we have these really complicated, really intense cooling systems for our phones because it's very important to keep them cool. They have batteries.

They charge over and over. And that's one of the most important things you can do is reducing heat. But this specific method didn't seem like it was going to give that much of an advantage. And if I dug into the phone settings, it had like 3000 milliamp hours of battery missing from it just to make this concept work. Of course, the finished version might be more optimized, but I just don't see it actually. Maybe OnePlus will prove me wrong but i don't see this ending up in a future one plus phone either maybe i'm wrong i don't know i mean prove me wrong they do sometimes end up putting stuff in future devices remember their last concept phone that's what i was gonna say they didn't put any of that future last three concept phones also didn't come to the real device it was a color changing back with paizo electric piezo electric however you say it and then it was was ND filter over the camera, which was the same super thing.

I liked that. I wanted that to be a real thing. That's the one thing that I think, please, OnePlus, prove me wrong. Which is also piezoelectric, right? Yep. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, that probably won't come to market.

I was a little bit annoyed because a lot of the headlines were like, OnePlus made a water-cooled phone, but it doesn't actually work. Like, they were like, yeah, this could work if we had the additional components to actually cool it. And I'm like, okay, but how much extra space is that going to take up?

Is the battery going to be even more reduced? I made an electric car that goes a thousand miles on a charge. Just not this one. But look at it. Doesn't it look like it would go a thousand miles on a charge. Just not this one. It does. But look at it. It doesn't look like it would go a thousand miles. Where's your pre-order?

I'll take your hundred bucks right now. It'd be interesting to see this cryo flux tech put into a wireless charger instead of a phone. That's exactly what I was thinking. We have like a little more space for a little more liquid and it would just cool during the charging process. It would work perfectly with OnePlus 2 because they're so focused on like,

we're like with, is it still called warp charging? It's dash. Dash charging? No, it's something else now. It was dash, now it's VOOC. VOOC. Super VOOC. It's an oppo.

They like to enhance the charging function right so like then they why don't they do this as their new like cool super vuke wireless charging where and it could even have the cool lights and the water flowing through the back and all the bubbles if you want because i mean yes but then it would only reduce charging temperature which is just one of the factors and you won't get those you or four frames i guess but okay the irony is that almost all mobile games are capped at 30 to 60 fps and almost every single phone already hits that whoops yeah anything that's going with like a high refresh rate is made to get to that like already and it's probably hitting that refresh rate so like i don't think anybody's hitting that

span of oh i've got more frames than my phone yeah can like really handle i think that with something i'd like to see more of um is asus does that thing where while you have your phone plugged in while you're gaming it doesn't actually push energy to the battery it just powers all the components straight through the cable pass through yeah yeah i don't think this makes sense as a gaming phone, but as a gaming accessory for gamers to have one more RGB thing on their desk, and now when they pick up their phone in between matches, it'll be less hot.

Yep. And that on its own. I mentioned the ROG phone and the Legion phone duel in our video. Phones that are inherently more niche, but that can pull off these more optimized features for your last three to four fps on gentian impact or the most intense games where you do want that yeah so it's out there yeah uh okay what else do we get speaking

of charging yeah yes next we have a new redmi phone well not new because it's probably won't come to market it might it actually probably will come to market uh a phone that charges with 300 watts and can charge from zero to 100 in literally under five minutes um i feel like yeah yeah i feel like every single month we get a new fastest charging smartphone i feel like they're yeah i just saw like a 240 watt one and i was like that one's actually coming to market too that one's coming to market and so yeah it's like 240 watts is a macbook pro 16 inch m1 max is 140 watts zero to 105 minutes yeah okay so five minutes is is less than five minutes it's like It's like 450 or something. It's 300 seconds. Yeah, we can just say 500. And so divided by, so it's 1% every three seconds.

I think they said 1% a second. Maybe at peak? Maybe at the peak. Oh, yes. 1% per second is hilariously fast. Jesus. Let me start this timer. And you just plug your phone in and watch the bad

oh my god yeah dude your stopwatch so it's like you need to charge real quick here just okay yeah i would really yeah seriously i would really like this in something that has a bigger battery capacity um because as we've seen with smartphones like you have this super high wattage charging but it only hits that wattage for like a few seconds and then it drops like the charging curve is very like gets to the top and then just dunks right you know i mean this is that curve will be true for all of these types of batteries but for larger capacity batteries it's more interesting like we mentioned tablets when we're talking about this uh or computers laptops how wild would a 10 minuteminute charge on a laptop be?

That'd be sick. Yeah, the MacBook Pros already charge really fast, but if you could charge that at double the speed... Imagine just tapping your Apple Watch Ultra on the charger and it's just 100 charged, 100% super capacitors. We're in there. Those have like 410 million power batteries, so that would be insanely fast.

100%. One watt per million power. In one second second that would be pretty nice um yeah so maybe that will come to market in like a year considering the 240 watt phone just came to market yeah and by the time this comes there'll be a 350 watt concept i was gonna say did they present this as a concept or as a as a feature of a phone concept okay so i'm i'm going to i'm going to file this under it's coming just not ready yet yeah because that i'm ready for the kilowatt phone oh my god i'm ready for the kilowatt it sounds crazy now but it's it's gonna it's gonna happen and it's gonna be like three percent in one second yeah yeah it's ridiculous okay that's that's sick yep um next we've got a rolling laptop which i would

definitely use uh why very cool explain so this is not dissimilar to the moto riser um lenovo it's also lenovo yeah it's a thinkbook concept um but it's like a regular aspect ratio computer that has sort of like a like a shroud over the back of itself but then when you want to extend it it just rises upwards and it becomes a very strange aspect ratio it gets taller it gets taller it gets really tall it's the dual laptop oh my it gets like one and a half almost two x taller than the the normal. I said it's like Gerald from Hey Arnold. The hair, yeah. It takes the hat off.

I think it's super sick. I would run two Arc browsers on top of each other if this was the case. Well, Arc browser, you can do vertical split tabs. So you just do one giant tall tab. Okay, so what would you actually do with that extra vertical resolution? Just have another browser for more tabs for me okay yeah yeah more tabs i mean because i'm thinking about someone who would pay extra money for this rollable crazy thing and then trying to think of the reason that they got sold on this idea there are like those con like there's those asus

computers that have a second display on the bottom and theoretically you can do anything quote-unquote second display by just splitting the display right so if you wanted to have like discord or twitch chat in the bottom and then have your game in the top part you could do that yeah you know just like more real estate to be honest it's it's fair laptops are vertically constrained i mean they're all widescreen laptops and so this is why arc browser was so interesting to me is because it put the tabs on the side like oh duh yeah that's the spot we have more extra room that's yeah okay do you think this is gonna actually ever okay i feel like this almost is kind of on my point of rollable screens where like at least this goes into a

protected aspect like you're not gonna run around and snap the top of the screen off it provides a little more because it looks like it rolls back down under i'm assuming the base of the laptop that's a guess is that what happens uh that's a guess where does it roll i guess it must roll i mean where else could it roll yeah under the keyboard when it's unrolled that the aspect ratio is eight by 9 which is like having two 16 by 9 displays is that not what the dual up is or is it 9 by 8 the dual up is uh 16 by 18 so it is 8 by 9 yes yeah the dual up is a very strange uh display the dual up is the greatest monitor invented by me i just want to say my my friend just got one and like i told him you had it and you liked it and he loves it.

There's so many people buying that. It has terrible pixel print. Nice. And I love it to death. All right, Lenovo, we see you. So I like this. Lenovo always does really, really weird stuff. It's so funny watching it roll up.

You have to go watch a video of it rolling. It's fantastic. I can just imagine being in Starbucks and staring at somebody and your screen just slowly rolls up you catch somebody's eyes over the top of your laptop and you just hit the button and it just rolls up over your eyes and all you hear is yes uh we also got a bunch of new foldable phone news which is cool um one plus officially announced that they're bringing a foldable phone to market by the end phone news, which is cool. OnePlus officially announced that they're bringing a foldable phone to market by the end of the year,

which is cool. There's going to be a new Moto Razr 4 that's coming out this year that the concepts look kind of insane for. The entire front of this thing is a display, and it goes around the cameras. Literally the whole front. The cameras are a cutout on the front

display, on the flip that's i mean if they can pull that off that's crazy yeah we were talking about this i don't know if i it's not gonna look great david and i were saying it would be really cool if there was some sort of like low power always on display yeah or else it is just fingerprint black on the front of it it's fingerprint it's durability it's yeah it's a lot because you before you were protecting the inside screen but the outside was at least the outside and the the screens on the outside get bigger and bigger and that's more and more functional but that's also more and more now you just have a glass sandwich i guess ultimately that's what a regular phone is

right screen just outside it's i mean like it probably doesn't have as much protection on the edges and you don't have a if you're a case user, like most people are, it's probably not protecting that screen. Oh, yeah. It's kind of weird. Yeah, a case for that phone is going to be weird. It's just a bumper, I guess. How long until we have a folding phone

that's folding screen on the inside and the outside? So it's just full screen both sides. Remember the couple years we had where every phone's presentation was like 81% screen-to-body ratio? Yeah. 200% screen-to-body ratio? That was that concept.

That Xiaomi. Yeah, the concept phone. Or the whole thing. Or the Mi Mix Fold. Yeah, no, Mi Mix Alpha. Oh, Mi Mix Alpha, yeah. And I did make a video on that concept phone fully knowing that that's not going to happen and it's a terrible idea but it was just something to look at buy it

you can't you can't buy the alpha you can buy the alpha really yeah not i don't think directly through xiaomi but you can buy like you can buy them they're really expensive oh they were very protective of it and they took it back as soon as I was done yeah they were like please no more touching this is a very delicate prototype we made it is a weird phone wow um yeah next we've got this phone from techno which is a brand that has been making some weird phones recently they made some color changing phone last year that got everybody's attention but this one is basically just a galaxy z fold. But the thing about it is that it's like $1,000 and there's an early bird price that makes it under $1,000. So for the, I guess this would be the hot dog style foldable.

Fold versus flip? Is that like an official thing? Yeah. When I hear fold, this is what I think. Yeah. It's like the first fold phone that's going to come in at 979 hot dog hot dog yeah never mind is that not hamburger full well but if you think of the flip then that's way more hamburger hamburger yeah because it's like buns on top

of each other versus sure i was picturing the flip on its side becoming you know the longest most hot dog that's a hot dog i feel like we're thinking of like bun like how you would fold it yeah the bun folds over it you know if you have a piece of paper no no yeah yeah no you're right you're right you're right i see it now yeah you could fit a hot dog in exactly a samsung z-fold but not in the z-flip no a hot dog would be out of place in a z-flip yeah but you could put a hamburger patty inside of a z flip if it was dense enough sliders are you like castle yeah this is okay guys can we talk about phones again when they say we go off the rails this is what they're referring to this is exactly what they're talking about off the bun off the okay

uh okay there's one more link in here yeah and then the other thing was that we're probably going to get a pixel fold at some point this year so getting a ton of foldable phones this year which i think is really sick and we might even have enough we were talking about this earlier we might have enough to do a best foldable phone category we've been debating it for a long time will there be enough folding phones that come out during the year and do we think folding phones are gonna stick around long enough that we should have a best folding phone trophy specifically and then will there be another year of best folding phones after i think there will be at least two two years years of enough oh i was like there's gonna be more than two no there's gonna be like there's to be like seven or eight this year.

How long until someone other than Samsung wins that trophy, though? Pixel Fold. Well, honestly, the Oppo Find N2 Flip might be considered a better built flip than Samsung. Just the Find N2 also is so nice. The Find N2 for some people is that good. It's like the passport type instead of the bigger galaxy fold is that also coming to the u.s this year no that was not i was largely disappointed because i was told by a source that the regular find n2 was coming global at mwc and then apparently they scrapped making it global and they're gonna see how they find n2

flip does globally because that's going global okay and depending on how that does the regular find into might go global but i'm like pressure guys the better one is this the find n2 yeah i don't really care about the flip interesting yeah well so i think there's going to be enough to consider do you think there's 10 10 different folding phones i mean we have old samsung flip uh-huh xiaomi fold xiaomi flip oppo finding two oppo finding two flip yep yep that's six uh one plus if one plus comes out pixel pixel pixel this techno one now there has to be one other one we're missing i just need another oh and there's also honor and there's also yeah there's a huawei flip or fold toss the flex we're definitely over razor v4 there's not gonna bewei flip or fold toss the flex we're definitely over the razor v4

there's not gonna be a razor v4 yeah the one plus one probably doesn't come out this year i'm guessing right no it is coming out this year oh it's coming out that we're over 10 i think there's i think we've got a new category all right i think it's the category can in your like if you're worried about it lasting for so long it can turn into like something else later or yeah we can just hold a funeral for folding phones at some point for the category we have a whole casket we have the design category and that ended up being like wow folding flip phones might become a thing it might start winning the design category but yeah putting it in its own category starting to make more sense yeah okay yeah yeah i like it

so yeah i mean i think by the end of the year we're gonna have definitely enough folding phones and i think considering there's this much this many phones coming out right now next year I'm sure there'll be enough too and there's genuine interest at least on my part of like how the different ones will do it what is a one plus folding phone going to do different from an oppo folding phone

what is a pixel folding phone going to look like and is that going to put pressure on some others maybe Samsung start to look different does the outer screen get bigger all this stuff yeah yet another we'll keep an eye on it moment yeah i think yeah for all these cool all of these are supposed to launch by the end of the year which is really awesome i'm very excited kind of sick yeah all right well that that loops us right into trivia then for our last segment let's do it all right so for today's second trivia question i wanted to do another audio round so i have three sound effects this time we're going um sounds and jingles

from famous tech company advertising um so i'll play all three sounds right here you can let them sit in your head and then at the end we can uh start make our guesses name like the company or the product the company i think all three yeah all three of them are companies okay yeah i know the coca-cola one but that's not a tech company so it's a tech company jingle yeah and uh i'll just tell you now think tech company more broadly you know what i mean like product company yeah metaphorically a tech company you know like pillsbury isn't gonna be in here oh you know what i mean right okay all right number one oh yeah easy, I got that. Right? So easy, Andrew. I actually think I have it. Yeah. Number two.

Yeah. Okay, yeah. And number three. No. That's a tough one. That one? That's a tough one. You went an increasing order of difficulty there.

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The guide is free to you at netsuite.com slash waveform. netsuite.com slash waveform. All right, welcome back. Let's talk about a short that we did on a new feature. It was an iPhone feature. I just thought the reactions to it were fascinating and i feel like i ended up in hot take territory so i'll just go over what happened and then my take i already can imagine i think i had a similar response to when the boxes got smaller and i got kind of dumped on also and i understand we'll see if we're on the same page so So this new iPhone feature, iOS 16.3.1,

added a toggle in the iPhone's battery health settings. And let me actually, oh, well, I'll pull up the video so we can all get it exactly right. But it's called clean energy charging. And what it does, and this is entirely us trusting Apple at this point because I don't know how they do this, but it knows when you plug in whether or not you are drawing from

clean energy sources or not. And if it detects that you're in part of like some routine charging, like let's say you plug in at 11 p.m., it will wait until you are charging from cleaner energy sources to start your charge or speed up your charge when this does happen you will get a notification and you can override it anytime you want but the idea is this is a opt-out feature meaning it is on by default flipped on for every iphone in the u.s that just updated their software so me by myself leaving this feature on is not going to meaningfully impact my carbon footprint i charge i drive an electric car like me charging my phone at a slightly different time is not going

to matter but apple flipping the switch for every iphone in the u.s collectively gives them something to brag about because they just took the equivalent of you know a million cars off the road or something crazy i think they're going to say probably at their next iPhone keynote what it did. But they get to say that we made this free change to the iPhone that made nobody's experience worse, theoretically, and saved a ton of the environment. And it's just like a rare win for the environment coming from a mega company like Apple.

So my take was, this is a good thing. But when I made this short, all the comments were, thanks for pointing this out. I turned it off immediately. It's like, obviously people don't want their charging to slow down or be interrupted when it's inconvenient to them. But I mean, the idea is you don't even notice

the future's on, which I think is what Apple is planning on. I'm curious if you guys feel the same way. Yeah, so I mean, there's a thing that happens where if your phone is on the charger and it's not pulling from clean energy sources, it just won't charge. And it'll have a little thing that comes up that says, by the way, this is a dirty energy source.

You can bypass this setting and just hit charge now. I want to see, like tweet at us, if you ever get this notification get this notification yeah i'm really curious i'm wondering what points of the night or the day your house or wherever you are is going to be pulling from dirty energy sources and i i would like to know this i get a letter from like con edison like every month being like you can pay a little bit more yeah to make sure that you pull from clean energy sources more you can pay a little bit more yeah to make sure that you pull from clean energy sources more often it costs a little bit more money but your carbon footprint

conscience your conscience um so yeah I think like you said one iPhone especially in a phone that has you know like a 4,000 million power battery it's not gonna do much yeah but if you turn it on for like every single iPhone in the united states collectively it will do something theoretically and the interesting the most interesting thing about this to me is that it was it's opt out yeah it's rare it's very rare that companies will turn something on by default and you have to turn it off because usually that makes people really upset especially when it affects their charging yeah apple knows nobody would have turned this on yeah yeah totally no one yeah so for them to go through all the r&d which i suspect is a lot location for them to like location based decide

when your your energy is going to be cleanly sourced i don't even know how they that's one thing i want to know is like that feels very it's like there's a lot of companies who if they said that i'd be like really it might be epa data i would bet you that the epa requires local energy providers to say what times they're providing clean energy and dirty so gpa gps based and then like time of day yeah probably what's time of day but it also depends on your on your provider too yeah like it's different for different providers also my house is on yeah if you're on solar what does that mean if you're on solar yeah you're always no idea but the idea is like uh by them opting everyone into it at least in the u.s for now um it is some level of a meaningful positive change so i was like yeah this is a good thing

for them to add which was turns out to be a hot take. People hate this. They hate this. So you single-handedly made a bunch of people use dirtier energy. I mean, I put this video on YouTube Shorts. It's on TikTok. It has probably like 5 million views between those two. 5 million iPhones are getting turned off. Lots of people turned it off. And I get it.

People don't want that possibility of like any – it also kind of feels like guilting because the way they phrased it it's like the iphone will try to reduce your carbon footprint yeah which if they phrased it just a little different like apple would try to reduce iphone's global yeah carbon footprint or something like that maybe it would have felt a little different but it's like i don't need you trying to help my carbon footprint i mean that's that's what like the whole u.s basically is in terms of like recycling and everything right it's like i don't need you trying to help my carbon footprint i mean that's that's what like the whole u.s basically is in terms of like recycling and everything right it's like let's make the user think it's their fault when it's mega corporations that are totally the term carbon

footprint was created by what shell as like a way to gaslight people into thinking that global warming is their fault when like 85 of global warming comes from like 10 corporations or something i i will say and like random numbers it's around there it's pretty it's really bad yeah but i'll say and this kind of can also loop back into when i made a similar comment to the reducing the size of boxes i ultimately thought it was a good thing i do think this is a good thing and i do think good things can happen even if apple's end goal isn't to be good there is incentive for them to do this which like the boxes it was saving apple a ton of money right

right we still got a beneficial environmental impact from them saving a ton of money yeah there's definitely some incentive somewhere here i don't know what it is i don't know if it's so they can say they're net zero emissions or it can help their numbers on carbon emissions and stuff like that. There's definitely tax breaks or whatever. You're counting towards something. Exactly. So it is in their interest to do this, not in the world's interest, but the world still benefits from this.

Which I'm okay. It's similar to people who donate a bunch of money on YouTube. It's effective altruism. Something good still happens. There may be an ulterior motive of it but i don't care because something could happen and that may have not happened in that yeah i think most of the comments of people objecting to it were like apple you could do so much more you could source batteries better you could do all these other things but it also kind of feels like when like a billionaire donates to charity in a very public way you're like oh i see what you're doing here but you did also just do a really good thing and enable a lot of things to be better

about the world so i guess i can't be mad so it's a good thing i'm happy it happened i don't need to relentlessly applaud them for it i guess yeah yeah we'll see i i my bet and maybe i don't know do we have like a tally of like running bets of things i do but i haven't been adding it to the league okay but i should somebody in the comments are on twitter keep an eye on this i i'm pretty sure they're going to in the next year say in an iphone related keynote what this i it's probably tons of co2 removed from the environment or cars taken off the road yeah equivalent something like that i bet at wwd Maybe. I will say too, just looking it up just to like clarify

how they're doing this. All the sources I've been finding say that your iPhone gets a forecast of the carbon emissions in your local energy grid and uses it

to charge your phone during times of cleaner energy production. Meaning like off peak times. Yeah. So your energy grid is probably not

dependent on your provider. They're all pulling from the same grid, but using different providers. So the clean energy versus dirty energy is independent of your provider, maybe? I don't know enough about this. Yeah, I don't know enough about this to say definitively. Like when I wireless charge my phone in my car

and my car is charging on a Tesla supercharger, what happens then? I don't know. I think it's going to change also a lot city by city because every city has a different relationship with different power suppliers and distributors. And anyone who lives in Philadelphia knows endlessly how complicated this is. Yeah. Yeah.

New York just shut down a nuclear plant, which was like one of their last clean energy sources or something. And I don't know. It's controversial. I don't know enough about it to have an opinion. Don't cancel me. Stop canceling Marques. Start canceling David.

I'm counting this as a positive switch flipped, which is rare in Apple land that we can all agree that Apple did something independently siloed that is great for the environment. So I'm just counting this as a good thing. I'm just leaving it at that it one of the few things that is opt out that is actually yeah probably that's actually to be fair most opt out things are like really bad yeah like yeah it's they have to do opt out because no one in their right mind would ever put it it's it's so rare

that they add a feature even like with the iphone when they added all these lock screen features and all this stuff with the new version of ios you have to find it yeah like they don't automatically start adding widgets to your like all this stuff that gets added to the especially apple they keep the iphone so simple yeah and so like if you want to find something and add it then you can do it but everything will be in a setting for you to enable later and the stuff that they do with batteries which is there's this one thing that they already do, which is if you charge at the same time every day and you have an alarm for the next morning,

it will not charge your phone all the way up right away. It'll charge to 80% and then wait until an hour before your alarm clock's gonna go off and then charge the last little bit because it doesn't wanna be at 100% all the time. Lots of good reasons for that. That's one of the rare things that it'll just start doing automatically.

I just found it fascinating that that was like, I very curious like you who's going to get this notification yeah and how many people will actually see it and and we'll see another one more time we'll see how this goes we'll see how it pans out a sound effect for that yeah it's starting to we'll probably have a button on the on the uh roadcaster see how this goes but that's that's kind of it we have a button on the roadcaster. We'll see how this goes. But that's kind of it. We have a couple other small things. There's a new Google Keep widget, which will- I put this in just for you. Well, I'm not going to use Google Keep, but I do.

I love Google Keep. I use Google Keep every day. Really? Yeah. Is it your to-do list app? Yes, it is. Really? Because you can't set reminders, can you?

I don't know. It's just like a checklist thing. Don't look at David's Google Keep. It gives me anxiety. You want to see my Google Keep? Maybe not. I'm not going to show it publicly to the audience. I'll blur it out.

Just take a screenshot. Okay. Well, the new feature is you can add a widget with your to-do list with functional checkboxes to your home screen. That's what I'm looking for. All of those are active notes? Yep. Yeah, you don't even color code them.

And they're all checkbox yeah but it's got a really good search feature have you seen my tab management that's fair yeah this is yeah andrew let's go i actually recently moved a lot of my kept google key things plus number just randomly in here okay i did i'll get a lot of this i re i moved a lot of that stuff into notion and i have like a section for things that I keep long-term. I have my like mileage plus number or like backup passwords. But it's literally called Google Keep. You should be keeping them in Keep.

Well, I have some stuff. The one thing weirdly that I've kept there is in golf, I have like my stock yardages for all my clubs. So when I'm playing, I pull up the document and it's got like seven iron, 185, 6-iron 195, 5-iron 205. And I can just like pull it up, know the yardage, and that's like the thing that I keep there. I don't do the shopping list thing. I don't do the to-do list thing.

I don't use Keep that much. Well, the news is the widget for Keep. Yeah. That can now be on your home screen, right? Which is cool. Unless you check stuff off, right? Unless you check stuff actively. I think you couldn't do that before yeah yeah so now you can have like a you can have like

a shopping list and you check it off on your home screen instead of having to be in the app do you know what's cool that you can do on google keep that like i saw recently that i didn't know you could do is our keep users baby you can take a picture of like your shopping list on like a whiteboard yeah you can change it into text and add check boxes onto it so like you can do a grocery list that easy and now you can add it to your home screen we should do a short on this i think it's a i think we i think you listed that already okay google keep power user hidden features let's go yeah i love power user features yeah i use it all the time one last thing. Microsoft brings PhoneLink that lets you now use iMessage from your PC.

Is this better or worse than Air? What is the thing on the Mac? AirMessage. AirMessage? Yeah. Is this actually going to work? So the difference is that for AirMessage to work, you have to have a Mac server because it's passing the information through the server into the cloud and then to your phone.

Yeah. because it's passing the information through the server into the cloud and then to your phone yeah whereas this is a bluetooth uh handshake that is connecting your phone to your window your iphone to your windows computer via bluetooth and then it's just passing the information through your through your iphone over bluetooth to the windows computer it shows your i messages on your computer but it is only messages that you've gotten and sent since you connected in that session so you won't have a history as soon as you disconnect they go yeah that was my question because i could understand not having all your previous messages when you first joined but then every time i close my laptop oh that's terrible yeah um you can't do group messages and you can't send photos

so it's literally like you are just texting but it happens to show up as a blue bubble on the other person's phone well i guess and it's like it's happening while you're working like if you don't want your phone up like if you want a little separate chat log on the side but no pictures sounds crazy like that's something i would love to just because i have drag yeah, I have like way more pictures on there that I've edited or whatever that I want to send to somebody. And windows has already integrated. Um, I cloud photo,

like I, I cloud photo, um, backup through their photos app, I believe. So you can sync I cloud photos through on windows now, but it's not within phone link. So that's pretty frustrating.

Um, it's possible they could like bundle them in the future, but it's not within PhoneLink, so that's pretty frustrating. It's possible they could bundle them in the future, but AirMessage, which is what I've been using to be able to send iMessages through an Android phone, allows you to do the full resolution photos and videos that you can do on iMessage. It allows you to do group messages, which is huge.

The only thing you can't do right now on AirMessage is react to messages, but you do get reactions you just can't react back yet it's also funny because just regular rcs lets you react to iMessage yeah now on android this is what i was gonna say well yeah i guess that's through android right so this is specifically for people have iphones but have windows computers which i know that doesn't seem like there's a lot of those people oh no there are um totally yeah i guess there are yeah i have a couple friends um that work in finance that work at my cafe a lot.

And they have iPhones for their phone, but they are issued a Lenovo laptop that they can only use that for work. Yeah. So, I mean, if you want to be able to text from your computer and you have an iPhone, but you have a Windows laptop, then I guess it's beneficial. It's just annoying that it wipes it every session and can't do images and can't do group messages and all that stuff. It's a start. You know what I'm going to say already. Trivia? We'll keep an eye on that.

We'll see how this goes. I want to give a quick shout out to Hasan Minhaj who had me on The Daily Show. He's hosting The Daily Show this week and he came to the studio and we shot something briefly and it was really fun. We'll put a link in the show notes. He's hosting the Daily Show this week and he came to the studio and we shot something briefly and it was really fun. We'll put a link in the show notes. It's he hates tech.

I'm the tech guy. That synergy was hilarious. So check that video out. But we should wrap it up with those trivia answers. Let's get to it. Trivia, dude. Trivia, dude.

My marker's over there because I threw it at the camera last week. All right. So first question. What was the name of Rivian, the company, before it was called Rivian? And they're writing. Writing on the boards. Deep looks of concentration.

Time's running out. Do you have your answers? Man, I don't know this one. I have no idea. I actually am very curious what the answer is, but I don't know what it is. Well, there's two. Yeah, there's two. All right.

Flip them and read. Hold on. I'm still writing my explanation. Oh, my God. Okay. Well, we can still get the points from that. Yeah. I mean, we're both wrong.

I know that much. Yours is closer than mine. I wrote Crivian. Crabian. No. I wrote R1. No. Nope.

David. Okay. I'm just going to say it. So it was going to be the name, but name but then okay i just can't remember the name and they they were gonna call it that but then another car company released a model of their car which was the same name as the car that rivian was the company that rivian was going to call their company model i i don't know that to be true so So I don't have any, no, any sounds for that. Buzz it. Let's hear it.

I can, I can also explain why it's called Rivian. Why is it called Rivian? Yeah. Why? Let's hear that. Because it's a combination. It's a mash of the word river with something regarding IAN. EN. It was like a thing. Oh, like It was like an Amazon River thing. I don't know. No, it was... River was something else.

It's a wordplay on Indian River in Florida where RJ grew up. RJ being the CEO. So River and Indian. Indian River. Indian River. Rivian. Interesting.

But no, didn't get the answer. All right. So the correct answer... Yeah, what is that? I didn't get the answer. So it didn't so the correct answer what is that i didn't get the answer so it was first started as mainstream motors and then it was renamed in 2011 to avera automotive yeah and then it became rivian avera i was worried one of the names are going to be i would like it more than rivian so i'm glad i like rivian mainstream motors is terrible awful and then averaful. And then Avera is funny there is a Nevera by Rimat

but that you know. To RJ's credit he like started the company in his garage when he was in like high school or something. True. This guy's crazy but he yeah there's a How I Built This episode with Guy Raz about Rivian that goes into detail about all of this

stuff. We should have him on. We should talk about that. Novel idea. Yeah. See how it goes. We'll keep an eye on that. All right. This is a sound one, isn't it?

Do you want us to put all three on the board at once? One at a time for sure. Yeah, let's do one at a time. Okay. I am very confident about one of them. Number one. No one needs to hear it again? No.

Nope. Flip them around. I might be wrong, but I also am kind of hoping I'm right. Okay, good. That's what I put. So I wrote both names. Oh, get the... Did you just write it?

No. Wait. No, no. He did start writing beforehand. You can check the tape. I didn't look at yours. I feel like it should be specific. Well, it's singular, which turned into AT&T, but they kept that.

Well, it got absorbed by AT&T. Yeah, they kept it. Oh, they kept it? Yes. They did keep singular as ringtone. I don't think they got it. I don't think they got it either. Are all of us wrong?

Are all of us? You're all wrong. It's T-Mobile. Oh. That's T-Mobile sound.. That's T-Mobile sound. I really thought that was the singular sound. I need to play the singular. I'm glad I wasn't totally out of...

Also, singular is a pretty good name for a brand. It is. It's like the only brand you need. Singular brand. Even though it's spelled differently. Oh, that's the ringtone. That's just a ringtone. Yeah, singular... oh that's just a ringtone yes singular that's it's not no it's not a ringtone it's like the it's like what it plays like at the

commercial when it shows the logo are you sure you guys are just thinking of t-mobile that's weird i guess it is t-mobile huh wait was that the same noise yeah when you wrote down singular i had to think for a second i was like did singular at any point become t-mobile but it didn't it became at&t and dude yeah wow we just all were that was collectively wrong effect called when you think something you misremember the mandela no it's crazy that we all thought it was singular yeah we just mandela'd ourselves i bet the comment sections can be like how did you not know it was t-mobile but i bet other people definitely thought it was t-mobile and or thought it was at&t and singular at&t

mobile all right sound number two that wasn't it who played that david david david will your confidence betray you on round two no now i'm not so sure yeah now i'm not so sure verizon oh no now i'm really not so sure would you like to hear it again no yes please oh no oh no now i'm this is part of it oh no. Now I'm really second guessing. Oh, no. Marquez. I'm crossing out what I think it's on. This one is legendarily burned into most people's brains. I think I'm right, but I'm...

I was so sure about the last one that I'm not... As Billy Joel would say, you may be right, you may be crazy. I'm Mandela. Okay. All right. Flip them. I'm ready. Oh all right flip them i'm ready oh no oh i'm wrong intel yeah intel gateway oh it hurts just as much when you're expecting did you save yourself because you were like this is burned into people's brains.

Because every time I'd open my damn laptop, it would be like, da-da-da-da, and I'd be like, ah! Yeah, this one was especially tricky because this sound would get played at the end of commercials that were made by companies that weren't Intel. It's Intel.

I so badly wanted to write Intel inside. Yeah, I wanted to write inside so bad. All right, for round number three, the tricky one. Dig deep into your memories. Oh boy. I promise. If this is singular. It's gonna be Motorola.

Are you ready? Yeah. I have heard that before. I've also heard that. That sound played on one particular device. I'm not expecting the device. But versions of that song are used for this brand throughout time. Can you play it one more time?

I most certainly can. At least. Oh, man. what can you play it again can you play it again yes just the company the company is all i need

you want a hint yeah they make hardware nice helpful thanks alice um they make exclusively hardware that sounds so familiar that is a core memory from my childhood I like that guitar strum at the beginning boom good sound it's memorable you know it's funny I put a company and then went no I think it's this and then realized that was made by the company I put down already give me like another second oh we had the song just so you could you had to finish before the end of the song oh is that what it was yeah oh three three all right two flip them one flipped okay three different answers here before you guys read

no changing your answers i'm just curious does this jog your memory yeah that's what i was picturing i was gonna ask you that is what i was that is the extended version of what i just played you correct i still don't know what that is let's read it it's like the orchestral version what'd you put i wrote gateway sony i wrote lg I wrote Gateway. I wrote Sony. I wrote LG. The answer was Nokia. That's what that is. And the sound that I played you. The 808 ringtone. That was the 710 commercial jingle and startup sound.

Beautiful. It's funny how like when you hear samsung's like orchestral sound or whatever which is like locked in my brain they play so many different remixes of that exact same sound for every event every commercial everything they do that it's incredible it must be like i'm so i'm burning that into i'm glad you brought this up can i play you five seconds of my favorite samsung remix of one of their ringtones ever okay this is incredible this is a live band version of the galaxy ringtone that is incredible I was doing an outro with it

there's like a whole music video like the band's in the studio it's incredible we'll put that in the show notes that's incredible they have a lot of versions is there a video there's a video of this

we need a studio viewing of this no one got any points what no we got intel we both got intel oh yeah so you guys got two points Marquez didn't get any points I got no points. What? No, we got intel. We both got intel. Oh, yeah. So you guys got two points. Okay, never mind then.

Marquez didn't get any points. I got no points. No, you guys are behind. Which is rough. That's okay. We'll see how it goes. Until next week. It's like your version of Ride the Wave. I know, yeah.

We'll see how trivia goes. It'll be okay. We got plenty more weeks of it coming up for me to catch up. Either way, that's been it. Let me know in the comments the questions that we asked you, of course, because I had plenty of questions. Like, do you ever see that notification? Either way, catch you guys in the next one.

Peace. Waveform was produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Roven. We are partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network, and our intro outro music was created by Vain Sil. Well, this is a different outro music, but Vainso could probably do this too.