Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - The End of Twitter as We Know It

Episode Date: July 28, 2023

So much happened this week! Not only did Twitter get renamed but Samsung Unpacked happened as well. First, Marques, Andrew, and David talk about base model pricing before talking all about Twitter getting renamed to X. Then they give their first impressions on the new Samsung products before we close it out with some trivia and tech show-and-tell too. Enjoy! Links: Linus Base Models video: https://bit.ly/lttstartingprice Apple Insider Action Button article: https://bit.ly/appleinsiderrumors Lex Friedman interview with Zuck: https://bit.ly/lexvsmark Shop products mentioned:  Google Pixel Fold at https://geni.us/zhOE5oh Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 5 at https://geni.us/ofBYJ6J  Samsung Galaxy Z Flip 5 at https://geni.us/X7vim  Samsung Galaxy Tab S9 at https://geni.us/bBm1  Samsung Galaxy Watch 6 at https://geni.us/gOAk Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Threads: Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https:https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Twitter: https://twitter.com/WVFRM TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We've got a whole bunch of a variety of stuff to talk about We're gonna talk about Twitter one last time because they're changing their name I guess we'll still refer to it as Twitter this time Even though there's still references of Twitter all over it still I want to refer to it as Twitter for the rest of time I probably will still keep doing that until it's gone we're also gonna talk about some tech that we've been enjoying lately. And I want to talk about a little bit of a topic that Linus actually made a video about and sort of expand on it.

And I think that's actually where I'm going to start. I'm going to start with everyone should watch Linus's one of his recent new videos, which was about, let me look up the exact title because it was pretty, I think it was called base models are a lie or something. Yeah. Like the biggest lie in tech or something like that. Let me up the exact title, because it was pretty good. I think it was called Base Models Are a Lie or something. Yeah, like the biggest lie in tech or something like that. Let me find the exact. Okay, starting at is the biggest lie in tech. Oh, fair enough.

So like, yeah, base models, you think of like the starting at $200, but there's also much higher specs available, that type of thing, is the biggest lie in tech. And I went into it thinking he was gonna talk about certain things, and he talked about mostly computers, and I think that into it thinking he was going to talk about certain things and he talked about mostly computers and i think that's what the focus was the thumbnail was him holding a laptop but i wanted to like expand on that a little more because i feel like

there's so when i watched that video i just thought like oh that's different in different um product categories so in computers which is what his video is about he is a hundred percent right like the base product the base product is usually bad and the starting at price is basically just advertising yeah no one actually buys anything at that starting price most people's late yeah the seller on pixel slate we say they took it off the market because it was so bad. It's like the sacrificial product that lets them have better advertising. Which is weird because it's usually the worst version of the product.

Yeah. But it's not like, usually it's not Pixel Slate bad. Usually it's just decent enough to qualify, but then the upper, the better specs are the ones you should usually really get. In the computer world, it's more obvious than ever because like say take a laptop for example you have a laptop that says starting at 599 but it'll have only four gigs of ram and only 128 gigs of storage and it's like well obviously i'm going to be upgrading those things i don't think you should buy a laptop these days with only those things yeah and then laptops these days are less upgradable than ever before especially if you focus on Apple like he did. You get a laptop that is basically stuck at its exact spec, no upgradable storage, no upgradable RAM forever.

So you really are definitely not getting the base spec. So the starting at price kind of feels like a lie because you're never really getting that. But then I thought about other product categories and the other two that came to my mind maybe there's others that came to your mind when hearing about this is smartphones and cars in cars it is a complete lie yeah you basically can't unless you're going direct to consumer you basically can't get a base price car they'll always have the commercial that says well equipped starting at you know $29,999 but the $29,999 is is not a real car that you can get is well equipped different than starting at yeah that is a little different in the 30s but starting at 20 i mean that's their

version of well equipped that's a that's a different way to like slide you in there i guess probably because base model is impossible to get there like you know maybe we should stop saying this but just even base model if you get like whatever like a rav4 at base a lot of times in different places they'll have all these packages that are on top of the car and you're like oh i don't want that and they're like it's on the car already i don't know what you're at the dealership all weather package yeah yeah and also like a lot of the base versions are missing like many things you would obviously want in a car i was gonna see that that say that sounds kind of like a slight too to say well equipped at this price it's like our base model sucks our base model is not well equipped

yeah they can say that radio it doesn't't have anything but you can say that when you can never buy the base model like they can be like yeah that those ones you don't want to buy also they're not available in our parking lot right now like so you don't get it yeah it's all about which ones they can sell off the lot and uh they're they're trying to sell things with higher margins and they don't really want to sell the cheapest possible version, which is often not a good product anyway. But then in smartphones, though, in smartphones, I think a lot of people actually do buy the base model. And that's fine because most people weren't thinking they're going to upgrade their phone

at any point down the line. So they're getting whatever, the 128 gig version. If they need some storage, they can pay for that. But a lot of people are cool with the 128 gig base model of whatever phone they just bought. And that's totally fine too. So I think that's actually, it's different in different parts of tech. There is.

I feel like I can almost make the argument that in smartphones, it almost changes a little bit though, because the one of the first things I did think of was the Poco phone. And I feel like when you're getting into these cheaper budget phones, they are kind of doing this weird thing of like, we've seen Xiaomi a couple of times do the like,

this is the $79 phone that only 200 of you can get. And then it turns into 150. And that's almost worse. It's worse. Yeah. But it is different. And like the Poco phone, when it first came out, it was like, this is the $300 phone,

but 99% of people reviewing it reviewed that like $450 version. That was cooler, which is just like. So I have notes on other versions of this. That's one of them where it's like we, most people will hear that this phone starts at $299, but every single person reviewing it is reviewing a more expensive version of it. That's one thing that happened with the Pocophone that usually happens with computers. They don't ship the base version to reviewers. And then the other version is when you see the lineup on the website of like all the different specs it's capable of, I think like take a Razer

laptop, for example, that you can get like a 120 hertz display or a 4k display. And then it's capable of like up to 12 hours of battery if you have the worst display, they will list up to 4K display and up to 12 hours of battery next to each other as if you can get a machine with both those things, but that doesn't exist. That's another thing that happens all the time that drives me crazy. Yeah. So as a reviewer, I try to say how much the thing I'm reviewing costs and sort of evaluate different pricing tiers and should you get the base version should you get the version i reviewed somewhere in between

here's what you should upgrade but yeah those two things drive me crazy yeah i want to step back on the on the laptop or computer versus smartphone thing again um i had a i have a wild story with my sister and i think i told you guys this when the m1 or possibly m2 mac mini was out or i guess m1 they there was like this deal where you could get the second storage tier the 256 gigabyte option which also came with a little bit more ram i think for like 50 more and it came that deal came out two days after my sister bought the base model and so i was, I messaged her and I said, if you can, you should return yours and get this for $50 more.

And she was like, why? And I was like, cause you're going to have this spec forever. It's twice the storage. And she was like, what do I need storage for? And I was like,

wow, there's so many people that I think it's hard for us to see outside of this because I cannot imagine having a laptop of 128 gigs of storage. We like make videos and it's hard for us to see outside of this because i cannot imagine having a laptop of 128 gigs of storage we like make videos that it's like two terabytes for a project i'm like importing footage right now i was like that was a laptop right no that was the mac mini okay sorry so it depends on what you're gonna what people are gonna do like that with that computer right so the 128 gig version exists and theoretically there's a non-zero number of people who are totally fine i think there's a lot of people that are totally fine with that yeah like

if you look at the imac like the all-in-one imac i would bet you that most people bought the absolute base model and that's that's why they didn't upgrade from m1 to m2 yeah i think when you look at what apple sells in the stores too like if you go to apple.com and go to like pickup and you spec something out especially like a custom computer with certain ram and certain storage you'll always see a longer lead time for anything that's not the base model but if you spec a base model it's like yeah we got these in the stores the opposite of the car lot yeah yeah it's exactly yeah yeah i think it's also that that would be my argument for why higher end smartphones make sense to buy base models because like most of us have cloud storage and stuff like that we're not storing a million things on our phone so

like yeah 64 still feels kind of low but i think a lot of base models now come with 128 and like that's totally reasonable for a phone and a lot of times phones you're not cheap obviously there's some outliers but you're mostly just upgrading the storage for like a non-base model pretty much that's totally fine like a base model is a great a great price yeah it's interesting you don't really see phones where you're just like well this model is 60 hertz and if you get more storage you also get 120 hertz you have to go to the pro okay that's that's interesting because it's it's different phrasing it's kind of the same thing like if you just want to buy the iphone the base model is just the iphone 14 and then you can buy the 120 hertz model but that comes with more storage and different materials and stuff right and a different

name but it is kind of like the base model but then it's like a different size and you have different camera it comes with a bunch of it comes with an extra camera it comes with a bigger higher refresh rate screen those i would say most of the companies are usually pretty good at differentiating that but when you come to like carriers in the u.s i was gonna say before with like samsung i'll be like get the s23 starting at and it's the like regular s23 price but when you're looking at that like that guy's probably going to sell you on like the s23 ultra that now is at least the plus 700 more dollars when you think about it that's really smart from apple to make the regular iphone 14 the exact same size as the 14 pro because then sure you're getting a worse screen but like every other company if you get the pro the screen's bigger and that like sucks for a lot of people that don't want massive

phones rog phone what about there's a couple rog phone specs they're all the same size but the pro is well that that phone is probably the most computer-like phone yeah adjacent is that like your laptop adjacent yeah where when you upgrade the specs you actually do get an overclock cpu and extra ram extra ram which nobody really cares about in phones anymore you don't need 24 gigs of ram on your on your phone yeah that seems like something everyone should have yeah but it is it is actually pretty wild that um like people don't really need 128 gigs of storage on their phones yeah i don't think so you know how much storage you use on your phone right now i could well i just started using the pixel i could i could look at my iphone let me look at my iphone i checked recently i'm at like

212 gigs on my iphone so i could not do the base 12 yeah I could not do the 128 and I don't think you could make room if I didn't so when I fly I listen to music and it's all offline downloaded already so if I blasted my whole Spotify library I could probably get under under 128 but I don't want to I'm currently using 158 gigs so you couldn't use the 128 yeah I mean if you really wanted to delete a ton of stuff. But that's sacrificing. I would get the second, but honestly, yeah, it's because I download a ton of YouTube videos.

I'm looking at the biggest storage things. I have 36 gigs of YouTube videos downloaded. Jesus. That's easy to clean, though. That's so easy to clean. It's easy to clean. I fly a lot, and I download, like, 30 videos before I leave. I download them on the runway, and I, like like hold my phone up to the window and like download

six YouTube videos. You gotta plan an hour more ahead and it's so much easier than the like, please download before this takes off. The second is podcasts. I have 23 gigs. Wow. And then Lightroom. Lightroom I only have 12 gigs, which is surprising.

I feel like most people have like their photos and videos are the most. I have huge files because I transfer full camera images to my phones and i i usually edit photos on my phone because i know that that's exactly how people are gonna see it for so true yeah i could do one i have 113 gigs used 41 or an app somehow don't take any more 4k videos yeah yeah i but is it is crazy i could clean this pretty easy remember the time when um everyone had the eight gigabyte iphone and people were like running into storage issues all the time like my mom would only ever upgrade her phone because she couldn't take any more pictures i'm pretty sure that that's the number one way that people run out of storage because yeah other

than that like unless you download a bunch of offline files whether it's music or movies or whatever yeah that's going to be your biggest files yeah like if you have an iphone pro and you just turn on pro res by accident and shoot a bunch of 4k pro res like you're gonna cruise through a couple hundred gigs if you want to be really tinfoil hat you could just be like well they're making these super high resolution 100 megapixel sensors now on phones because the storage is way higher and then you have to buy the higher tier or the better cloud storage i think they do a good job of like binning it down like they're not actually i think i know the numbers sell and like you can like you can buy uh the pixel has a 48 megapixel camera but you literally can't shoot 48 megapixel like all bins down but yeah they're they're trying to give us a good experience i think at the end of the day so ideally you know yeah compression it

is i just want to say one more time i would never buy a computer with 128 gigabytes of storage no but talking to my sister i'm realizing how many people would that i also agree yeah i think you're totally right with like the imac i mean think of like chromebooks also like a lot of people the reason they buy chromebooks is because they know all they have to do is really look on the internet and do stuff. So like, why do you need storage to browse the internet and watch streaming? Okay. So a question for everyone. Is there a piece of tech that you think you could be totally fine living a lifetime with the base version of? Yes. It's called the iPhone 12 mini and I've been doing it for years. Do you have the base base model? Base base.

64 gigs. Is that 64? 64 gigs, baby. Oh, that's cutting it close. Are you close to the top of 64 or not? I was until I updated to the iOS 17 beta, which somehow wiped 20 gigabytes of system files off of my phone. If it works, it works. Wait, it wipes them off?

Yeah, like before. Just make some space i'm waiting for him to find out it's very important stuff i had been like juggling you know my last six gigs for like a year you know what i mean yeah yeah and um and things were starting to like not work like not nothing involving my voice worked like voice to text didn't work siri would never even load like forget it offloaded the models it was like i can't there's no more storage i guess so but with the beta and all of my new space she lives also i just want to say this is i was talking to hiato but this is maybe unrelated

so maybe it won't make it but i accidentally slammed a glass bottle down on the screen of this phone, and the glass bottle broke. The iPhone is tough, man. Ceramic shield, baby. Didn't we just talk last episode about a bottle hitting your phone and denting the bottle? The Pixel Fold dented the metal. Yeah. Wow.

Phones are tough. Phones can beat drinks pretty easy. I will say a ton of people buy the base model airpods like even the old airpods with the long stem i see so many people that still have those like i actually see way more of those than airpods pro are they the base are they the usbc ones there aren't any usbc ones right or sorry lightning i meant that up well the old bass ones were a headphone jack that's where we're going wait you mean that just cut all of this out cut all of this out i don't know if i i'd consider airpods base model because you can't upgrade those are ear pods i thought no

air or what are the wireless airpods we're not talking about earpods i wouldn't say that's a base model though because you can't upgrade that version. You could just get a better headphone. Oh, you're saying like the Gen 1? There's AirPods and AirPods Pro. Yeah. And AirPods are one thing, the base model, and then you can upgrade to noise cancellation,

and now you have AirPods Pro. But they're also a different shape. But it's a totally different product. But you could make that same argument for a regular phone versus a pro phone, right? Oh phone oh interesting how many parts of the boat do i have to take off to make yeah but the boat well no i think though a pro phone there's still a base model of a pro phone i think that well but it's not the pro those are two different models what yeah so do you think yeah the uh the the iphone example where you have the iphone 14 iphone 14

plus iphone 14 pro and and iPhone 14 Pro Max. All of them have a base model. Okay. That's true. Okay. You're right. That's true. But I think also when you walk in the store, a lot of people go, what's the new iPhone?

Yeah. And they end up with the base model 14. I feel like you mentioned that before as like the step out of the base model. I was like thinking of it as a bigger picture. But I would still consider, and I think most of our listeners would consider each of those having a base model as like to thinking of it as a bigger picture. But I would still consider, and I think most of our listeners would consider each of those having a base model. It's just storage. I think the same thing happens with AirPods.

Like people walk into the store and they just say, I want AirPods and they buy the cheapest AirPods. I agree. Yeah. It's maybe not technically right, but I think that's how people think about it and people do that, yeah. We're getting into semantics.

It sounds great. I know people listening to this podcast are like, that sounds insane. What do you mean you just walk in and say iphone but when you go to a store and listen you're like oh my god they're just asking for the iphone yeah and they have nothing else to say yeah it's crazy uh-huh it's crazy sometimes yeah do you have a base model adam that you could live with the phone phone i live on base models all the time because cloud storage is a thing. 128? Less than that I've done in the past. 32?

No. I also got to say something that hurts is when you're trading in phones, less and less they ask for the storage that you're trading in. So it's like... Really? On Apple, at least, does not ask for the storage tier. So you get the same amount for a 512 gigabyte iphone 14 pro then you'll get for well here's the dirty little secret it doesn't cost them a lot to add more memory they can charge you but this was the crux of linus's video oh really in case you haven't watched it i mean you

should watch this video it's really good and it's a learning experience but that's the number one thing that he talks about in his video is the amount that someone like apple charges for eight more gigs of built-in storage versus the amount of extra cost there is to apple is it's like a 300 plus markup every time i will say that's very different than it used to be because i remember buying my um my first ipod and it was like the option between like 8 and 16 gigabytes of storage and back then storage was really expensive they still upsold you on it but it wasn't like today where like like memory is the cheapest possible component yeah i just think it has definitely stratified over time i remember speccing my computer back in the day when i built my hp pavilion db7t on

hp's website old yeah i know But it was like going from, so when you went from four to eight gigs of RAM, you went from 32 to 64-bit Windows. And I remember looking at that and then looking at other computers that you could buy and how much they charge for an extra four gigs of RAM. And it was very consistent across the board.

And now it's like, if you go to Apple, it's literally like $200 more to bump up your RAM. Watch Linus' video, but that's the main point of it. Storage is the highest margin thing. Do you guys have any base model things that you can live with? Yeah, I think I would be able to live with a base model Rivian R1T, if given the chance. That's not the base.

I think I could live with the base one. Oh, you mean the new dual motor one? Whatever the cheapest one is. The base model Rivian R1T is just a gas truck. The R1T now has, they're now shipping the dual motor version. So there's the quad motor launch edition and then there's the base model. But those, I think when you look at like Rivian and even Tesla, there's so few specs that they're kind of all very similar to the base model.

Base model's great. I'd be fine with one. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. I would say my car i could do the base version of the plaid of the plaid oh yeah model s long range model s is oh yeah that's true yeah oh yeah the fact that it's long range do you get a wheel or a yoke you get a yoke still oh yeah you can option a wheel i believe it might be bad it might be

vice versa i think it's a wheel now and you can option it sounds like the base model is better well that's the question is i guess that question because it's the model now and you can option it. Sounds like the base model is better. Well, that's the question. I guess that question becomes, is the Model S the base model or is the Model 3 the base model? Yeah. I think the Model S is different from the Model 3. I think you're right. All of the base models are fine. They used to have a really bad base model. Model S is the Model 3 Pro.

Imagine if they called it that. That's the person who just walks in and goes, I would like a Tesla. Which one? I would like a tesla which one oh yeah so i would like the model y is the model 3 plus yes and the s is the it's got more storage the pro max it all works true it all works out it's perfect yeah yeah i would like a car please here you go yeah here's a model 3 um it's hard for me to figure that out i'll have to do more thinking on that because my entire life basically has been very much like if i cannot afford the version of it i want i will just wait like i'm i'm not i'm not bad about needing to save up more money to eventually buy the better things though

i also do not buy things almost ever i guess then the question for you spans to like what upgrade isn't like yeah what are you just okay with on it just doesn't matter to you not that you're saving money it's just because you don't care about generally like clothes well it's just i didn't mean in general i'm thinking like in tech is there an unnecessary upgrade that you make anyway like you don't care about like you're not going to spend money because i get what you mean by you want to spend money for the thing you want but is there something you're not going to also spend an extra 200 to upgrade something if you don't care about that right so is there something which i'm sure you'd have to think about i'd have to think about it pretty much every upgrade we make is because we really want it yeah and like we're spending extra

money to get it i think that's a good thing to live by also like if you want something that's expensive and you really want something that right then you can't afford it's way better to just wait and save up for it because then when you buy the cheaper version you're just gonna be sad with the thing you spent a ton of money on and then that's that's a lesson i learned from my mom when i was like nine yeah because i wanted a toy and i bought the cheap version and it broke within like a week and she was like see how'd you just wait two weeks of allowance you deserved it kid adam deserved that let me tell you i have trauma let me tell a really quick existential story okay yeah how can when i was in fourth and fifth grade um we had every week we would get points at the end of the week if we didn't like get in trouble right and have

our card moved or whatever classic fifth grade and on friday afternoons uh we'd watch a movie and you could either spend some of your points i think we get 100 points a week and it was like 50 points for a candy so you could buy two candies or you could only spend half of them or you could spend none of them and at the end of the year we had an auction where everyone had to bring in something from like the thrift store or something. And we would, like, have an auction to teach kids how auctions worked. But fourth and fifth grade, we had the same teacher. So you could keep your points over into the next year if you wanted.

Dude, I'd be saving. This is confusing. This is a good life lesson in fourth grade. I got, like, 30,000 points at the end of fifth grade. Like, what am I getting? I would like to cash this in for a Tesla. I'm imagining fourth graders at a thrift shop buying things for no so literally i didn't spend a single point for two years because i was like i'm gonna go to that last auction i'm gonna get whatever the

crap i want right that's me so that's what i did um but it's cool it i ended up buying like a pda that i didn't use and then throw it away that's the most david of course we did yes yeah yes uh but the interesting life lesson in that is that i did have to think about like huh it is worth like having small amounts of happiness throughout your life right like maybe I should have gotten some candy every now and then because I felt extremely powerful going into that last auction,

but I felt really empty when I bought the PDA. Yeah, the PDA tasted disgusting. I have a theory. This is a theory. I love that story because it reminds me of, I have a theory that there are basically two types of like video game players.

If you're playing a first person game, you know how you can kind of like go through the game and upgrade little bits as you get more VC or whatever. You're like, oh, I got enough for the thing, I'll buy something. Oh, I got enough for something new, I'll buy something every single time. And then there's the other person who's like, I'm going to get as far into this game as I

possibly can without upgrading a single thing. And I'm going to go to the absolute limit of this character, then I'm going to go to the store and I'm going to dominate. And I'm going to buy a ton of stuff. And I'm going to crush this level and i'm gonna dominate and i'm gonna buy a ton of stuff and i'm gonna crush this level and i'm gonna go 40 more levels with this exact setup right grind super early that is my setup and just roll through the game the other version of that is like do you play the game straight through the story mode and do all the bosses at like the lowest level of xp or do you do every single side quest so you just walk up to

the last boss and f***ing like one shot it and then yeah because you have so much like so many stats I like saving it I get some value out of like saving it so like if I can save two more weeks of allowance and get 8 gigs of RAM on a laptop I'm doing it yeah there was a time in Pokemon Gold where I upgrade or I

evolved my Cyndaquil into a Typhlosion before I even left the first town. So I just rolled up to the gym leader who had a level 6. Gen 1 only? What? Gold is amazing. Anyway, it was amazing.

Best game. I had a level 36 Pokemon and destroyed the gym leader's level 6 Pokemon. It's really fun. In NBA 2K, there's a storyline. It's probably similar to Pokemon, but literally, like, you go through college basketball, and then you go through early, like, overseas pro leagues trying to get scouted, and you, like, you try to get as far as you can without upgrading any of your skills, and you're just, like, a bum on the court, and you can barely score, but you're barely holding on.

And then you get to a cut scene where it's like, sorry, son, you're not good enough to start. And you're like, wow, I need to get better. Then you go to the store and you buy all the skills and you max everything out and you come back and you just are a god on the court and it's so fun. I always feel like it's gonna

feel better than it does. When I destroyed that level 6 Pokemon with my level 36 Typhlosion I was expecting it to feel amazing and I was just like, this feels kind of empty. Pokemon needs better... I can tell you why the other side sucks. Strength animation.

In Pokemon, I used my Master Ball immediately. Why? And then when I had to catch Mewtwo, I was in total panic forever. Because I was a kid, and I was a moron, and I was at my friend's house almost crying because I didn't think I was going to get Mewtwo. Do you remember what you used the Master Ball on?

No. Probably an Abra. Probably like a Butter butterfree or something it was probably something stupid like a scyther or something like that or it was this is what i feel like when you guys talk about sports i just don't know what a master ball yeah i used my master ball on wayne gretzky just so i can make sure neither of you understand this conversation anyway we're pretty off the rails yeah i think it's probably time for probably time anyway take the base model as far as you can and then uh spend what you think it's worth use your master ball and use your master ball on the first level trivia time all right so according to motor one what was the best-selling car of Q1 2023? Oh, I know the answer.

I think I know the answer. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. In the U.S.? In the world. In the world. I know the answer to that.

Worldwide. There's an article about this. Yeah. I don't. I love this question. Me too. 20 Club. I know it's not the Fiat because apparently they only sold like 20 of them

in the Q1 in the US or something like that I want us all to get this one the company you're gonna give them hints? I think we can all get this one right I'll give you hints we'll do it at the end of course

I'll just get it wrong I'm fine I do need to catch you have the most points it runs on gasoline what? I'm fine. All right. All right. I do need to catch who you have the most points. You don't even know David has the most points. I'll give you a hint. It runs on gasoline. What? Actually, that's a good one.

Wait, really? No. No. Oh, okay. That's a hint. That's what I assumed. That's a massive hint. Or does it?

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And David, it was on your feed, so why don't you reveal it to us the way you did literally 25 seconds ago. Okay. Because I think it's interesting. Let's pretend we're on ad break. Yeah, yeah. Reenactment. You guys are talking about a car. Lincoln Navigator.

No, Lincoln Pickup Truck. Lincoln Pickup Truck. Same company. iOS 17 code hints an action button in iPhone 15 Pro. That sounds dumb. Wait a minute. Action buttons are sick. Yeah.

But it's also very unapple like i was immediately reminded of the remappable google assistant physical buttons that we used to have on phones okay you could remap to other stuff yeah there's only a few phones that have custom remappable buttons uh there's only a few phones with extra buttons at all in the first place like sony has a shutter button like a camera button you can launch the camera and take pictures with the specific dedicated camera button but there's a few phones um i want to say asus has done it a couple phones with an actionable like a custom extra button has done it a lot samsung yeah you can remap now right i think so i'm pretty sure you can it was only bixby for a while it might only be to google assistant i think it might be just to google assistant there used to be like the zen phone i think six or seven they always used to have this

just extra button you could do whatever you wanted with yeah which is sick it's sick it's very android yeah on an iphone what would that action button do because right now yeah the only thing i can think of apple watch ultra has the what is it called action button is an action button so you can kind of map a few different things you can start a workout you can open a certain workout with that button what would an iphone action button be able to do i was worried i was like is this only going to be for exercise but on your phone like that seems a little bit weirder but in this article uh-huh um it says that it might be able to do open accessibility camera flashlight focus mode magnifier shortcuts silent mode translate or

voice memos shortcuts seems dope oh they're gonna that would be awesome if you could map it to a very specific shortcut that would be amazing siri shortcuts is the best possible case and even then it kind of feels hacky because like if i wanted to open a website it would be like all right hold on let me launch safari type it in refresh like it has to kind of go through a process yeah um i if if apple does this i can imagine it being neutered and like you can only do a certain set of eight things with it and five of them are dumb like change your focus mode with one button yeah it's already like it's so easy time like okay the mute switch by the way on the iphone is like one of the smartest things they've kept around because not a lot of phones do that one plus had the alert slider for a while but like just that quick like switch to mute yeah it's so

it that's been great we love that an action button i would want to be able to launch whatever app i want yeah let me just pick an app on my phone and launch it yeah i don't think they're gonna let us do that probably not which is a bummer you could probably do that through shortcuts yeah yeah technically yes and it would it would take like an extra second yeah an extra second but it would like the the action button on the watch you can map through shortcuts and have it do a bunch of oh really yeah yeah that's cool so if they take that same thing and put it on the phone, I would imagine it would work similarly.

I wish it didn't feel so hacky, but that is true. It does. It does eventually pull it off. There is a lot of cool stuff. But yeah, like whenever I watch Quinn do things about shortcuts, it feels insanely hacky, but it's still kind of cool. This is cool, too. It says the action button may also take over the volume up buttons duties in the camera app.

It could activate the autofocus when lightly pressed, while a firm press will take a photo resembling conventional camera buttons, and a hard prolonged press will initiate video recording. I think they'll do that. That's dope, because if you could just start recording a video instantly from your lock screen, that'd be really cool. I can't imagine the half press working. That sounds tough. It would have to be well it's um so it says it says it's probably a solid state button which means it's a haptic button sort of like the right which the xperia phones have something like that the xperia actually

has a real half real shutter button it has a half shutter yeah it's got a half press for autofocus and then full press to take the shot what is it it autofocusing on that it's not all red? It's acting like an alpha camera, so it has continuous autofocus, but if you move something around and you just want to double check and make sure. It wants to do that. Because the sensor is so big that it actually has natural depth of field now. Yeah, it just feels like most phones are autofocusing on something and then you have to tap to pick something else.

That's true in the Xperia 2. So a half touch of that doesn't necessarily pick what you want it's picks what it wants i guess the sony experience is you can tap a certain auto focus point and then auto focus with that point with the camera that's just acting like an alpha camera basically so it's a little more advanced it's cool yeah the iphone i suspect won't do all that yeah but you know it'll be cool to see a an action button will they make it orange is the question yeah that's a good question i want it to be a certain color i hope it's i can't wait till it's just siri oh god no the power button siri they can't do that to me they can't do that what if the power button powered the phone off it whoa does but now you have to hold i know i know volume up exactly or volume

down one of the two got it it was just it was a bad joke i'm sorry that would be the worst thing they went back to power and then made that serial unremappable siri button that would be awful there was a major rumor that the buttons were all going to become solid state and then that rumor went away so maybe this is where that rumor started from this could be an extra button that is solid state so potentially it's all real buttons but this is the first haptic button yeah or like solid state button and then they see how well it does and they can judge how close they are to making all the buttons haptic yeah makes sense you just let like 10 Apple leakers get a freebie off their wrong prediction that they got. Yeah.

I mean, the rumor score is like 75% possible, it says. So this could be totally wrong. But, you know, we kind of rarely do rumors on here, but this one seems kind of fun and interesting. I'm into it. Yeah. I'm into special colored buttons on phones too, so I'm kind of hoping do rumors on here but this one seems kind of fun and interesting i'm into it yeah i'm into special colored buttons on phones too so i'm kind of hoping for that i doubt that they're gonna make it orange because the only reason that's orange is to be like a dive watch

true yeah make it red apple please i think there's no shot there's an accent lime green zero shot the brand's gonna have a field day with this one. Neon. Okay. Let's have a moment of silence for Twitter. Because it's no longer called Twitter, technically. Technically. Depending on where you look. Depending on where on the site itself you are looking. It's been officially rebranded to X. And it's X.com. And it's X's. And it's X's and it's X videos.

That's not true. Um, it's just X related things. There's an X logo. The, the little bird is retired. Makes you wonder about all the people who bought the bird statues when they sold all that stuff.

I wish I did. Yeah. Little birds. Um, I don't know that I'm going to call't know that i'm gonna call it x i'm still calling it twitter like i think when i say it in public to a person i'm gonna i'm still gonna call it twitter i don't know how long it's gonna take to catch on probably a long time so you're saying you don't want to follow changing one of the most household brand names in like existence

this is a head scratcher to me every time a well-known and at least decent reputation brand gets killed. HBO. Why? So just Max. Like everyone knew that brand. Not that everyone used Twitter, but everyone knows what Twitter is.

And to try to start that over, but with some sort of like, I mean, it's like meta. Like we all know what facebook is and we're not calling it meta yeah but that product is called face yeah they at least did that yeah it's a product inside of a brand it's like alphabet for google right there's an umbrella company and if they just made x the like parent company which they did they did make x corporate x corp then they could keep the twitter then they can keep the twitter name yeah but they're just shafting it i have two theories around this um two possible theories one elon

is actually trying to do what he said he's trying to do which just which is basically to create the wechat of oh he said that already he yes that's what he says but he could just be saying it you know i mean that's what he's been saying forever whether it yeah he's talked he's talked about making the x app forever when he was making paypal he tried to rebrand it to x and he got ousted i think he likes the letter x yes spacex and tesla spacex sounds cool though i'll give spacex i'm cool that's cool yeah this they couldn't just call it space so or x but my other theory uh is that he's trying to basically bankrupt the company but in a way that doesn't look like he's trying to bankrupt the company because if he bankrupts it but he has

like plausible deniability that he was just trying to make it better then he gets out of having to pay a lot of money so yeah that's a hell of a i mean i like it it's a i don't think uh he still owes like two-thirds of his net worth to this company yeah but i think someone like that is more motivated to prove everyone wrong yeah i actually make it the everything app probably true the complete opposite direction of bankrupt i think that's what he's trying to do i think there's very very little chance of that happening because like there's plenty of people who would love to own the app that controls everything in the world like why wouldn't you want that but that's a stretch for a website where you can just be really mean to people online and 280 characters and you can make a lot of money off

that yeah i mean they're they're starting to roll out ads. Obviously, we talked about them doing creator payouts and then sort of adding some creator features. And that's at least progress in some direction. But yeah, it's like, it still says tweets all over the website. And like, what's going on on Twitter? It says Twitter all over it. If you go to x.com not logged in, there's a giant button that says join Twitter next to the X logo.

So there it is. I just don't understand. It's like, I mean mean i think we can all agree it was probably like they were going to do this and then elon was like do now yeah or well announces it and then everyone inside was like oh we are not ready for this yeah now they're slowly changing by the time this episode comes out maybe they'll only be like seven instances of twitter still on them like the hundred there are right now but uh it's been changing a lot this week it's just so insane that twitter has its own lexicon there's i tweeted this twitter like dm like every tweets it's the thing you want to create a quote tweeted there's um subtweeted is like a thing in culture you know like there's all of this stuff and like no single brand except for like google has been able to like make its thing

a verb yeah it's like it's so hard to do that naturally that like why just like burn away saran wrap i mean well yeah there's a lot of other band-aid kleenex q-tip like yeah but those aren't verbs i q-tipped my ear i won't say a swab my ear i don't know i will say i'm gonna saran wrap this true yeah yeah but boom it's like you just burning all of this like naturally occurring lexicon that everyone would die to have is that it's what you like strive for arguably the most valuable part of twitter yeah like when you talk about the most valuable brands in the world a lot of time it's like what is coca-cola other than a couple formulas and some sugar and a bunch of ads like the brand coca-cola and the

mind space that it takes up in most humans like knowing about the thing is the most valuable part of the company yeah and that's true about a lot of the biggest brands kind of like nike jordan google and i think if you were to argue like what's the most valuable part of the dumpster fire that is twitter and their headquarters it's probably their brand value yeah and to just nuke all of that and call it something totally new that let's be honest our parents are not going to call it x like we don't really know which is like what he paid for and also yeah it's like what he paid for that's exactly that's the that's the craziest part he paid actual dollars for it and nuked the most valuable part of it yeah he didn't really pay for the users because like he did but there's not that

many people on twitter compared to like a lot of other things. There's one more people who just know about Twitter. Yeah. Like the Jimmy Fallon, Jimmy Kimmel, one of those mean tweets thing. Oh yeah. That everyone knows what a tweet is. Yeah. That's so.

Also you go to, you go to any newscast or sports cast or anything. Twitter doesn't pay any of these people to have their logo on the screen. They just put it on the screen. That's a free. And imagine how many like companies and stuff that have billboards or signs on buildings or trucks that are going around with like the twitter logo as their or no just the twitter logo to go to their social and now all of those are yeah every food truck in the world that's the other thing every food

truck has like an instagram logo a facebook logo a google plus logo and then twitter logo yeah now two of them are dead and now that's just unfortunate it's just the seo of x also like is terrible what are you this before you type twitter because you knew what it is now it's like x find um find uh david amell on x Like what is going to show up on Google when you do that? David Amell XXX. That doesn't sound great. This is the only reason why I have that like kind of theory that he's just trying to bankrupt it to get out of the payments

because like it seems like the most illogical thing that he could possibly do. But maybe he's a genius and we're all idiots. Who knows? Or maybe it's just a bad move and we're all idiots who knows or maybe it's just a bad move and he made a bad move i think that's just it yeah but it's such a bad move i think and they could go back right now i agree i think there's just bring the bird backs people agreed with him that it was a good move i guess and i'm sure there are plenty of people who agree with elon around him and that's not just elon that's every billionaire yeah yeah i'm i'm bummed i'm really bummed i really hope that things change

in the next like a couple of weeks and it goes back they'll change i mean it's just a it's a day-by-day thing this is like the fourth week we're talking about and whatever we're saying now we record on wednesdays it could be totally different by friday imagine it's twitter on friday it's back to twitter on friday i don't know dude it could be google on friday you know twitter plus i was i was thinking what if what if meta rebranded threads to twitter well i said they should just call it y i i made that joke actually i i said people are always talking about X but nobody's asking why that's funny

but Twitter's available now Twitter is available if Threads became Twitter it would be like it would be like the Charlotte Hornets yeah like the Hornets went to New Orleans became the Pelicans

got the Bobcats and then re-became the Hornets yeah they should just call it T3 Threads it T3. Threads is T3. I'm going with that. All right.

Does that make Mark Zuckerberg Michael Jordan? In the Hornets example? Yeah. He just sold, though. Jordan just sold the Hornets. Right. So what does that say about... Look at you, Mark. Okay, it would be funny because Mark Zuckerberg

has wanted to own Twitter for, like, ever, and if he ended up owning Twitter, just not the original Twitter, it would be funny because Mark Zuckerberg has wanted to own Twitter for like ever. And if he ended up owning Twitter, just not the original Twitter, it would be really funny. So I guess, but the thing is, as much as we all talk about Zuck and not wanting to be all using apps where Zuck has all of our data, he's kind of been the most successful at, for as much copying as they do, at social media stuff in general. much copying as I do at social media stuff in general. There's a, I watched the, it was a clip from the Lex Friedman interview that he interviewed Zuck about, I don't know, a bunch of stuff, but there was a clip where he, he literally asked him like, okay, what do you think about what Elon is doing with Twitter? And the answer was really interesting. I'll link it in the show notes so you guys can watch it. But he, it was along the lines of like, Twitter is an idea that could have

a billion users. they just never had the execution and the business savvy behind it to actually get there there's no reason why twitter shouldn't have a billion users a public town square is a good idea like there's a lot of things there that make a lot of sense it's just for whatever reason twitter was never able to execute on that elon's still trying to execute on that and then there's some teasing at the end of like would you do your own thing and then he was was like, well, I don't want to say, but you know, this is like a month before threads launched. So we kind of all read between the lines in hindsight, but I think that's the Zuck thing is like, we'll turn this idea into a billion users.

It is interesting. I read a lot of analysis about why Twitter became such a thing that it is. And apparently it's, well, what a lot of people have said is that Jack Dorsey really had no idea what he wanted it to be. So he just sort of let kind of the people on Twitter create Twitter. And that's why it became like successful. I mean, that's why Reddit was super successful.

And now they're like, just kidding. Yeah. Screw all that yeah and obviously they get into like weird stuff and like you could say that elon also wants twitter to just run itself um obviously you get into weird moderation issues and that's like the biggest issue with social media overall but yeah i think a lot of people are saying threads even though it seems like it has a lot of potential they're specifically been saying they've specifically been saying like we don't really want this to be like a news and political place and it's like that's going to become a thing it's been weird that they're not embracing the the clear like you need the power

users you need the one percent of people who post the 99 of stuff and a lot of that is the like fast moving like there's an earthquake right now now you all know about it before it even hits you there's news now there's things happening that's like the engine of twitter but the thing is like facebook right like facebook went through all of this stuff where they everyone was like you're the arbiter of truth now. And so they went through this insane congressional hearings and all this stuff. And they don't want to do that again, right? They're so terrified. Because Threads is not even that different from Facebook, right? The only difference that Threads has to Facebook, basically, is that you can follow whoever you want.

And Facebook did eventually add that feature, but they were too late to it. So now Threads is kind of just like Facebook 2..0 but they are really scared of being facebook 2.0 because if they allow this kind of like political thing to take over and then there's like election interference or whatever and people like yelling at each other they really don't want that so facebook notoriously not the person you want in charge for news. Yeah, exactly. It is really interesting to watch the types of things that the algorithms on threads incentivizes. Yeah.

Because you can't just stop people who are being political or newsworthy from being on threads. But you can surface other things more often. And that encourages that sort of behavior. Positive stuff. Positive reinforcement. Yeah. So you kind of. I assume that when we see things on the homepage by the way they introduced a following yeah finally in the most

Instagram way yeah it's like sort of tucked away and nowhere to find it but it's there but I think they're gonna be showing people the stuff they want more people to post and so I when I see the when I load up the homepage on threads I'm paying attention to what types of things they're showing. It's a lot of text only posts. It's a lot of people's reactions and actual threads happening. Not so much videos. I can't remember the last time I saw a video on my threads homepage. So it's interesting.

I would like for threads to be able to replace what Twitter did for me, which honestly was just news aggregation was the biggest aspect of Twitter. There was like random fun friend interactions and stuff. But like, the biggest aspect for me was like, we drop links in the slack all the time. Like, I do go to like the verge every day and read all their articles. But I'm not on every single news website every single day. So Twitter is a really great news aggregator and it's great because if you're mentioning like the verge the verge posts a ton of articles but the ones that are popular that are the ones that people are interacting with on twitter and then popping up in my feed

so like it's basically a free way of being like these are the things people are more interested in that's what maybe we should talk about this week. It helps us write the podcast. So I would like threads to serve that role for me. Yeah, for sure. But by default, that is news. So it's not like political news. I don't think they're going to get away from news that much. It has to get there eventually to even be kind of competitive with Twitter. It also needs a web app because...

It needs a web app so bad. Oh my... Yeah. You heard us... I can't use my phone all the time to like find news yeah you heard us already with we want a following tab thank you kind of and please give us a web app please please please give us a web app yeah i'll leave you with this as food for thought to think about what threads is what it's trying to be and what we already know twitter to

be when you open up facebook and go to the the box to post you know how there's a little bit of a prompt there already facebook says what's on your mind when you open up twitter says what's happening question mark exclamation mark right that makes a difference question mark what's happening what's that's always for as much as we talk about like the conversations in the public town square or whatever i always just think of like when we share tweets in the slack it's like this just happened this just happened that's what tweets are what's happening instant what x's are yeah yeah like literally we talked about that apple insider it was like posted yeah 30 seconds it was a tweet that we found because it just happened this just got

found i actually found it on Threads. Well, on Threads. On Threads, it just says, start a thread. Oh, wow. That's not a great tag. Start a conversation. Threads is a cool one, man. Start a thread.

Just relax. I'm not going to check Mastodon or T2 right now. I'm just going to leave you with those. I will say, Threads has a 500 character limit, which is nice. Twitter blue people that have more than 280 characters that's great twitter needs to change the way that this works because when you hit show more it brings you to a whole nother page yeah and sometimes there's only like three more words and then you have to hit back i saw one recently that it was one more word and i

was really disappointed it's just like the waste of my two seconds they should expand in line obviously yeah why don't they do that dude if they expand it in line it would be amazing maybe someone at x is working would you buy x blue if it did no there's nothing we could do x blue it's still called twitter blue by the way it actually is Funny enough. If you click on the Twitter website and you inspect element, the X logo is labeled Twitter. Yuff. And that's a perfect place to end it. Because that's the state of it right now. Trivia to ad break.

Trivia to ad break. I like the sound of that. Trivia question. What letter is X in the alphabet? What letter is now quick all right 24 wait really 24 you're right 24 nice okay so we make fun of sony all the time for their crazy wacky no we don't schemes oh no for their naming schemes everything about sony is perfect yeah okay i make fun of sony for example xperia 1 mark 4 item hates k-pop the the headphones wh1000xm4s um but that's a long honored tradition with sony for example the headphones that came with the first ever walkman was called the mdr3 and was part of the

h-air series of headphones or hair yeah crazy what year did those headphones come out with the first ever walkman what is the tradition bad naming pretty much yeah oh i thought there was gonna be i thought it was gonna be like the something 1000 so it's like head what does 1000 mean i don't know it's just their model it's just that yeah why is it there if all of them are a thousand? W-H is wireless headphones. Do you know what W-F is? Wireless earbuds. I don't know why it's F.

It's phonics. Nope. Phones. Nope. You were closest the first time. It's true wireless. What? True wireless?

That's T-F. T-W. No, yeah. Wait, it's just F? So why is it W-F? What? No idea. It just yeah. T-F. Wait, it's just F? So why is it W-F? What? No idea. It just is.

So it's an F. I just don't get why it's W-F, W-H, and then X-M model. Like, number of it is. What is the 1,000? Sounds good. I'm even fine with the X-M. What is the 1,000 for? It's free press because we're talking about them.

Sounds good. So that's the trivia question. That's true. Okay, so basically what year did the Walkman come out is the question. Basically. I know that. Really? Yeah, he did a whole episode on The Walkman.

Oh, I was hoping he wouldn't remember, though. I hope I remember correctly, but I do remember. You want specific, yeah. Yeah, he wants exact date. Do you remember that? I know the year. He said the year. I'll have a year.

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the S9 Ultra tablet. It's hilarious. It's one of the most crazy pieces of tech I've seen in a while. You opened it this morning and we just heard you giggling from your S9. It just feels like a monitor without a stand. Yeah, the Tab S9 Ultra. It's a 14.5-inch, $1,500, 120-hertz tablet.

I feel like you did that last year with the S8 as well. I did, and it's nuts. It's just as nuts. It's just as crazy. I love it. Just holding it. I'll hand it to you. You'll hold it.

You'll be like, this is absurd. Okay. It's great. I'm ready. But the phones, I'll just go over real quick the stuff that's new, because they are relatively minor. It's quick and easy to summarize. I'll put it that way. The new Fold has a new hinge.

It has a new brighter inside screen. And it has a new Snapdragon 8 Gen 2. Nice. That is all that's new. You should definitely upgrade it if you have the 4. So because of the new hinge the the entire form factor folds flat and gapless which is nice and that also does make it a little bit thinner flat um i think open it's the same i believe it's the same size battery same cameras

same charging speed same screen size same aspect ratio same resolution same everything else but you know chip hinge brighter inside screen that's it for fold then you have the flip which is the same set of things it is a new chip again snapdragon 8 gen 2 it's the new hinge again folds flat and instead of the brighter inside screen it is a bigger outside screen that cover screen it's a 3.4 inch cover screen now with literally access to any of your apps they're basically matching what Motorola did but it's got a little bit of a cutout around the cameras instead of enveloping the cameras so this is the Samsung way it's a little bit safer but you can do up to like there's 12 widgets now on the home screens you can flip around go

through notifications do more stuff on the outside watch a YouTube video if you really want to you can do any of the stuff you'd normally do on the inside uh just a little more stuff on the outside watch a youtube video if you really want to you can do any of the stuff you'd normally do on the inside uh just a little more access on the outside so you don't have to open it as much that's it that's what's new um i kind of said and i kind of proposed this like theory in the video that samsung is very settled on these form factors and the more i was playing with the fold after i've recently used the Pixel Fold a lot, I really want like a wider passport size version of what Samsung's built. And I don't think that they would do that in this phone. I think they would just make a whole new phone. Yeah. I think they would

just make a Samsung Galaxy Z Flip Mini or whatever. They would make a new phone or something. Exactly. So they didn't do that. So I'm i'm using it i'm demoing it i'm remembering all the things about this phone that i like and that i don't like and that number one thing is still that it's just like a tall skinny candy bar it's weird to type on like i don't like watching youtube videos on it nearly as much as david you tweeted this morning you're using the pixel fold on the outside screen a lot me too it's one it's the best folding phone to use closed and i think that's what i sort of miss about you know this samsung phone which is state of the state of the art incredible displays

very solid cameras okay battery like it's it's a solid phone but i just wish the form factor was a little different i don't think samsung's gonna do that i think they're there's an interesting comment too on twitter keeping the screens the same aspect ratio for developer continuity, potentially, so that they can have the advantage of people continuing to make the most apps for their phones. Maybe. I don't know. But that's the new Samsung stuff. Can you use any app on the outside of the flip?

You can. And you can sort of flip a switch to enable. Some will look ridiculous. Like big labs can and should i guess yeah yeah you can literally go through the checkbox and same with motorola you can just like check the box of like let me use maps on the outside and that's actually kind of useful let me use youtube on the outside you can be a psycho cool sure so you can do whatever you want it's just some may look a little more ridiculous than others dang i think my favorite thing from

unpacked was, and it's not something I'm going to use, but I just like that they brought back the classic version of the watch in the Galaxy Watch 6 with the actual physical turning dial. I thought that was really cool on the 4. They didn't have it for the 5 because they had the Watch 5 Pro, which had a bezel, but it didn't turn. And then bringing this back, I think a lot of people are pumped about that. Yeah, and it's a

little bigger screen, a little thinner bezel. Do we know if you can do anything with that? Yeah, it's a UI. It's still touchscreen, but you can still move around. Yeah, the UI with it. Clockwise scrolls down, counterclockwise scrolls up, that sort of thing. Yeah. And it protects your screen, which is nice.

Just having that lip is nice to have. Exactly. And then the s9 the galaxy tab s9 series s9 tablet s9 plus tablet s9 ultra it's 14 and a half inch tablet it's it's it's literally almost this big just holding wow a touch screen 120 hertz bright 15 inch screen in your hands crazy it's wild zach's to snap it in half again. Oh, 100%. I was looking at the Samsung website, and they make looking in their ecosystem look very good. Like, I wonder how it would be to spend a week

just living with only Samsung things. This was a take that I cut out of the Hot Takes video, or I think I threw it in the intro maybe. Somebody said Samsung's ecosystem cut out of the hot takes video or i think i threw it in the intro maybe somebody said samsung's ecosystem is better than apple's ecosystem whoa better is a strong word better is a strong word they're just different like there's just different products there's no washer and dryer in apple's ecosystem like there's just different things right yeah samsung smart things and encapsulates a bunch of stuff there's no smart speaker yet it's not canceled yet technically there's no smart speaker

like the home pod um but i think you could live in samsung world pretty easily you could look in your fridge on your tablet it's pretty cool yeah you've got the like nearby share stuff with the computer and the phone and yeah they have a of, they do have a decent amount of proprietary stuff that works with their devices. Yeah. They got really good earbuds. They make laptops. You could use a Samsung Chromebook. You could have a Samsung monitor. You could have decks on your Samsung laptops. There's a lot of stuff that they make that all work well together. That's true. that's very true so you could live in that ecosystem samsung phone you wouldn't necessarily have a well you'd have to use bixby so i don't really use voice assistants that much and you don't really have to use bixby

though they let you use google assistant now don't they yeah i guess if you're if you were living in apple world you'd use siri and if you're using and if you're living in samsung world you live in that world yeah yeah fully in it if you wanted to commit but it is an interesting question they of course all think about ecosystem all the time it's just one of them is notorious yeah yeah yeah it's uh it's it's interesting to see the samsung flip versus razer situation and how people respond to that overall yeah i think the same price. Yeah. This is $1,000 with the Razer, $1,000? I think so.

Razer Plus. Okay. Yeah. It is worth noting you have to download a good lock module to be able to run any app on the home screen, or on the front screen, whereas on Razer it's out of the box. Oh, for Samsung you do? Yeah.

Oh, interesting. Yeah. Okay. But they do have 12 widgets that you can do um there's like a fitness widget and a clock widget and a bunch of stuff and it looks generally pretty good i think that it's interesting um samsung over time because they have wanted to be sort of the apple of android and they have simplified things we've talked about this a little bit with like you know the s23 phones are pretty much like

the end the default npc of smartphones now of an android smartphone like what is the absolute base looking android smartphone that's an s23 that's like the person that walks into the store and goes can i have a phone yeah yeah even more generic specifically doesn't want apple they're gonna get a samsung i can't tell you how many people are like i have a samsung s20 or like samsung 23 samsung galaxy not even like samsung or i have a galaxy yeah yeah or that a galaxy series yeah series are yeah sound like crazy but like yeah i think that the reason that they're not doing the same thing as razor with like the cameras in the screen is because even though Samsung does do a lot of like experimental stuff, like they started the whole foldable revolution, right? They now

are settling into this point where they're like, we just want to play everything safe. So let's make the cover screen not go over the cameras. So everyone knows exactly where the touchable areas are. Yep. Exactly how this is going to function. Yeah. You know. Makes sense. Yeah. They'll probably run with this size display for the next, like, four years. And a size phone. Yeah.

For a while. I do, yeah. Like you said, I really wish they would make a passport-style fold. I think Samsung could knock it out the park. The candy bar for me is still too awkward to use.

And it makes you want to open it more often. Whereas, like, yeah, the Pixel fold i'm really enjoying but mostly close i mostly use it closed it's one of it's it's incredible i get why samsung would rather be though the phone people enjoy more when it's folded out i don't do you want to be the phone that's more fun to enjoy closed or do you want to be the phone that's more fun to enjoy doing the thing that you're paying $1,800 for? That's fair.

There's advantages to both sides. There's different, yeah, exactly. I don't think they're dying to be the phone that's more fun when they're closed, when they put so much effort into being the folding phone. Yeah. Yeah. There's just the battery implications.

Yeah. Oh, for sure. It's got to be at least good to use. Yeah. Samsung also has really really good trade-ins for their own phones um someone noted to me uh today that the full the flip four uh you can get nine hundred dollars for a trade-in on flip four and if you're a student they have ten percent off so you can literally get a flip five if you have a flip four for basically free you

just have to pay sales tax solid which is insane and be paying a university to be a student yeah true yeah then you deserve small detail or using your old student id we don't condone that base model university yeah their trade-ins are crazy i'm really debating doing a flip five paying like a hundred dollars for for a brand new their trade-ins are nuts and it seems like if you're trading in something that folds they give you like a very very good price for it yeah is that a red flag yeah get those things off do they just i will i will say uh i have a i was in um so yeah i was along the pacific northwest coast this whole last week and i stayed with

some random person from instagram who i didn't know um at his house and he's amazing he's great shout out to abel but he had a flip gen 2 or gen 3 i think gen 3 and the entire center part was cracked you know not in a way that like he dropped it and it cracked but like the crease overused cracked it overused and he said that that was his second his second model and that he had used his trade um his insurance to like get a new one because it cracked the same way the first time and he got a new one and then it cracked the same way again yeah and to be fair that was like a i think that was a gen 2 so hopefully the screens have gotten better now. But I have seen things about people's foldables cracking.

I think Austin always posts it about everyone that he's ever owned. Yeah. And it's kind of crazy that the outrage over that has died down so much. Because it used to be a really loud thing when every one thing would go wrong with foldable. I think we know it comes with the territory now, which is crazy. I think that's a good segue, though. That's a good segue. Because our last segment on this week's show is a little bit of show

and tell. We're going to talk about some piece of tech that we've used lately or that we want to share that we think is really cool. I'm just telling people about it. I'm going to go first because the segue is I have been very impressed with the Pixel Fold's durability just because I, you know, there's like a, it's a notorious thing that these phones are supposed to not last very long. I talked about this last week on the pod.

Poured water on the phone, took it to a beach, all these things. It still makes grinding noises when I open and close it. And it's fine. It's totally fine. So just shout out to the Pixel Fold. I also want to talk for a quick second on Sony's new WF-1000XM5. they're out uh there's an app now so we get to test them dave's got a pair too uh these are the earbuds that are basically designed to

sound amazing and be worse at everything else that earbuds are good at like they're not supposed to work out in these you're not supposed to sweat in these you're not supposed to i thought they had an ip rating now they do but like you wouldn't get these if there's these are not workout headphones yeah i would get so many other pairs of headphones other these for 300 they're like the bows headphones that are also 300 bucks it's like yeah but i will say they do sound pretty good they sound really good and they have new processors and they have a new smaller form factor now that's the main thing i'm happy about smaller because yeah i wouldn't the the biggest challenge with these is they're always huge they're earbuds and they sound amazing and they have great noise cancellation but they're always huge and these are smaller and

i'm happy about that and they wireless charge on the bottom yes instead of on like the side and i noticed that too pop it on the charger like that i love it it seems like they realized that the link bud s which i love was a great like series in a lot of different ways and they're like let's make them the the better sounding version yeah so that's my show and tell what do you guys have i want to go next i have the current mouse i'm using to play games this is the pulsar x2 this is the random frank p version which you're gaming with a wireless mouse yeah no i've been gaming with a wireless mouse for a while okay i've realized my mistakes but i was using that crazy like 300 razor viper mini signature edition but it was just too small for

my hand and after a while this i have to say for 95 bucks which is a great price for a wireless mouse it's not any more expensive to get the like they worked with two different creators i said this is random frank peas same price cool design it's been a great mouse so far i'm like dominating my premiere matches in valorant with it so you know it must be pretty sick um but yeah i just like it a lot fits my hand really well and i think it looks sick cool cool would you say it's better than a magic mouse don't answer that yes uh i have one and a half things um so yeah i know i know i'm just gonna the first thing i'm gonna like tease a studio video um i have this 3d printed film

camera oh my god uh that uses an iphone as a viewfinder which is very cool why do i feel like you can't buy this can people buy this you can buy this actually yeah there's a yeah yeah yeah working out the kinks but like there's a few um yeah there's a few tech angles to this and that's why i'm making a studio video about it can i say what i love about it quickly yeah just looking at it at it. I love that since it's on the, it doesn't have a normal viewfinder. It still has two levels on top to make sure that you're leveled when it's on it. It has levels built into it, which is cool. That's really awesome.

It's a camera obscura, so it doesn't have any wires in it whatsoever, which is really awesome. I've been making some really crazy photos on this from various trips. There's a studio video coming out about it within the next like week and a half to two weeks. So you're shooting film? Shooting film. Oh, I was going to ask to hear the shutter sound. I can show you the shutter sound. Is there film in this?

No. I can show you the shutter sound. It's probably not quite as. Hold it up to the mic. Yeah. Do you want it to be one? Yeah, we'll do one second. One second.

Bold. Oh, I didn't cock it. That's kind of nice. That was one second. You can also do like 1,125th where it's a lot faster. You know. Solid clunk right there. It's in the lens.

So anyways. Yeah. Yeah. Cool studio video coming out about that in like a week and a half to two weeks. Anyways, yeah. Yeah. Cool studio video coming out about that in like a week and a half to two weeks. The main thing I kind of want to talk about is actually software.

Nice. Which is exactly what happened last time when I talked about Arc Browser, which by the way, Arc Browser is officially out version 1.0. So shout out to you guys. Yeah, I can finally recommend it now. You don't need an invite to download a browser. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. You don't need an invite anymore.

So go download it. It's the best. But the main thing that I want to talk about was this app called beeper and i used to write and make videos for android authority and i've used i used android phones my basically entire life up until i started working here and then it was sort of like on and off i was like on an android phone sometimes and on an iphone sometimes the thing that's like using using an iPhone at all for any period of time will do to you, especially when you make friends

who are not in the tech space, is you start gathering people in your life that force you to use iMessage and that are rude if you don't. In the United States, this happens nowhere else. I still have never

experienced this. Yeah, it's because you haven't used an iPhone for an extended period of time. Get on an iPhone for like three weeks in this aisle. Three weeks? And you'll see you guys nicer friends no i agree i agree it sucks but um there's an app called beeper which the point of the app is to actually aggregate all of your messaging clients into one window which i don't actually like the idea of

that for some reason i'm a segmented kind of person. But you can log in through your Apple ID and you can use iMessage on your computer and on your Android phone. And it works really well. It has basically all of the regular iMessage features. It's got voice notes. It's got replies. It's got tap backs.

So for me, it's great because I can finally use whatever android phone i want and not have people get mad at me you know this is worse than twitter it's wolf yeah i know people who complain that you didn't have the ads so it's so dumb um and it's only a problem in the united states but i've been using the pixel fold so i really like it so beeper is very cool i think you still have to sign up for a wait list um i think i tweeted about it and the developer like gave me a code so i'm kind of just try that just tweet at the developer but just like a coder sign up for the wait list because uh it's actually really good

do you know what does that it doesn't have a wait list whatsapp yeah so here's the thing about it when i logged into my apple id because you have have to log into your Apple ID for it to work, I got a notification on my Mac that said, an unknown device in Kazakhstan has logged into your Apple ID. And was this you? So I don't know exactly how they're making this work. It could be on some old iPhones. It could be on a physical old Mac.

It could be on a virtual Mac. I don't really know. I just have to remote into your computer real quick. What I'll say is I took the privacy risk. I like it, but do it at your own risk. The Cardi B clip

of her just being like, that's suspicious. I've been enjoying it. I think it's really interesting. I'm just kidding. You deserve to get bullied. I'll bookend this with a hot take okay i actually prefer the context switching of different messaging apps i do too i use the notification shade as my unifier but i prefer like when i get an instagram dm yeah interacting like an instagram dm yeah and then when i get an Instagram DM interacting like an Instagram DM and then when I get a text interacting like a text that's just me. Not everybody's like that.

But if you like it all in one place there's an app I can try. I don't want to use the reason that beeper exists which is to integrate all of your messaging into one place. You just have to do the iMessage part. I just use it for the iMessage part. Fair. Because I can run it on a Windows computer I can run it on an Android phone yeah for me that's great um but yeah i wouldn't want to like

message in slack in an in a beeper wrapper right that's weird to me yeah it sounds like wolf from the office just everything gets put into one space and you get sent a million different notifications yeah i guess it's the opposite but so anyway that's that's my pick what about you guys show and tell okay so i'll let ellis go last because his is dope uh mine is this i'm on the 6a again just for i don't know reasons got bored but they have a teenage engineering pocket operator app exclusive to the pixel. That's really cool. Really? Yeah. It's really dope.

So like, yeah. Is this similar to the nothing like beat maker thing that was made by teenage engineering? But it's better. So it doesn't make your phone later. Pixel exclusive app. That's a rare one.

So it has video also. So you can record video and import samples and things like that. That's funny. So earlier today, before we recorded, I went into top down room and recorded a little beat and this is my beat and then you can add things yeah and it has a video so you can see in my face

oh that's um what YouTube channel am I thinking of Mark mystery guitar man mystery guitar man mystery guitar man bro

well that was it that's my that's a throwback that is such a throwback I don't know what that is wow uh shout out to Joe Penna old YouTube channel back in the day mystery guitar man That's my throwback. That is such a throwback. I don't know what that is. Wow. Shout out to Joe Penna,

old YouTube channel back in the day, mystery guitar man. Just look it up and you'll, you'll immediately watch that and know exactly what we're talking about. It was like, I remember when he sort of like hit the scene, it almost felt like this, like next level of production quality for YouTubers. Cause people were still just sort of like,

I movie in their way through skits. And then he was like, it's not even that crazy, but it was just like, of production quality for YouTubers. Cause people were still just sort of like iMovie-ing their way through skits. And then he was like, it's not even that crazy, but it was just like. It's just, I have a thing, I have a thing for like when I can tell that a lot of effort was put into something, I really enjoy watching it.

And when you watch his videos, you're like, oh, this took forever to make. Wow. Yeah. Shout out. My thing, if you, I put a link in slack i mean not in slack in the show notes because no not in the show notes either in the google doc put a link in the google doc of uh this thing that i got uh because it's kind of hard to explain oh god it's just a link called ellis's thing it's a link called ellis thing. Yeah. But essentially about a month ago, I found

a listing on eBay for a factory sealed Roland V4 EX, which is like a 10-year-old video processor that sits on your desk and it's about the size of a shoebox. And they're easier to find in Japan if you're

willing to import them, but I had never seen one factory sealed. This looks like a Red Beans recording video. You should make more of these. You like my little unboxing? I like it, yeah. I was not going to unbox it. So I'm part of a Discord of people who like these sort of things. And I like dropped in the Discord. I was like, yo, I just got like a factory sealed one of those. And everyone was like, dude, record yourself unboxing it. And I was like, I'm not trying to like flex on anyone, you know, but they're like, no, we want to was like, yo, I just got like a factory sealed one of those. And everyone was like, dude, record yourself unboxing it.

And I was like, I'm not trying to like flex on anyone, you know, but they were like, no, we want to see like what it's like in the box. So I'm about to give them this 4K. My favorite part of the story is you're like, I didn't want to flex on the people in the Discord by doing an unboxing. And I was like, so you're now filming it on red and going to send them red footage i don't think they know i work here so i think they were just expecting me to be like yeah iphone they definitely are but this thing is really cool and uh i'm sure i'll talk about it more can you give us a quick example of what you would like to do with it or like uh uh i have no

idea what this is nothing like an afterburner also this is only 10 years old yeah it's only 10 years old it looks older yeah um 2013 uh it does a lot of different things but if essentially you can plug a bunch of video sources into it like four specifically and then it has a bunch of uh transitions and keys and wipes and uh diffusion effects built into it and then it has like color processing um it has different like feedback channels uh but what does it do picture like the year is like 1995 i know this is like well that's why i'm saying this looks way older yeah so like picture like 1995 and you have like a big stack of home movies that you recorded and you want to like put music behind it and like transition between them you would use something like this to like edit it

all together without a computer but i use it to make pretty pictures nice well this is good this is this is a good show and tell i think we should do this more often yeah as soon as we all have something else cool to share it's nice because like we don't always get to do the most the latest tech thing but there's probably something everyone has that they're like i kind of like this but we're way past the release date for it yeah or just randomly if anyone has anything cool to share we'll just do this one person show until yeah it'll be fun with that all being said we should answer the trivia questions all right that was so weird in the unboxing video ellis posted he lifted the trick the thank you the lever as the music went on and i thought my computer started making whoa all right so trivia answers a quick correction by the way a couple weeks ago i asked

you guys what was the first commercially available smartphone with wireless charging no one got it so it doesn't affect the points at all but i said the nokia 920 um a couple people in a discord hit me up and were like actually it was the palm pre 2009 i saw a lot of comments about that yeah but the palm pre this is why i didn't choose it because i was debating smartphone the palm pre you needed to have a different backing and a different charge you had to buy those separately it didn't come as the thing but it was available to buy so i'll say it was correct the different backing was it just backing that wireless charging could go through or it physically had the component i have no idea i think it was a yeah it was it like a moto mod wireless charger on the back? I think it just put the coil in.

Yeah, it was like a completely different backing. So correction on that. Didn't affect the scores, but yeah, that's the answer to that. First question, though, comes from Ellis. According to Motor One, what was the world's best-selling car of Q1 2023? Oh, you wrote it already. I think we're all good yep wow anyone want to read it or tesla model y tesla model y that's not what you wrote tesla model to me yeah to me it is the tesla model y which sold 267 000 units if you'd asked me i could have gotten close to that too because i had to do a lot of research for the best-selling cars when i

was talking about the f-150 lightning yeah and i know how many y's and threes are sold so many cars and in a year they add up to 1.2 million and it's about 200 000 each per quarter And in a year, they add up to 1.2 million, and it's about 200,000 each per quarter. Fun fact. Wow. I got to say, I rented a Model Y for one day when I was in San Diego, and I don't really understand why people like being high off the ground. It's very much the number one thing people want. It's crazy. Yeah.

I hated it. It felt so heavy, and I don't know. So my question was, basically, what year did the MDR3 headphones from Sony come out? Three? MDR-3. Wait. Oh, yeah. Right.

Which is basically what year did the Walkman come out? Right. Also, while we're waiting, quick update on the score. Marques with two after that correct answer andrew with one after that correct answer and david in the lead still with three will he hold on to it or will marquez catch him if we all get it wrong will we will the person closest get a point how about that wait that's very closest without going over i'll wait you can't do out going over a year sure i can i can do whatever i want it's very trivial i think that's very different. Closest without going over. I'll do that. Wait, you can't do outgoing over a year.

Sure I can. I can do whatever I want. It's very different. I think that's so much harder with a year on how long ago it was. Yeah, I would have guessed. Because you're generally aiming probably towards closer now. I'm sorry, Andrew. Do you want to sit at the big table for once?

Touche. Touche. Flip him and read. You're welcome at this table anytime. I said 73. Okay. David and I went very close. I think it is the 80s, though.

Wait, can you read it out? I said 1973. I said 1971. I said 1989. That would give the point to David. Oh, baby. Wait, you are doing the closest? Yeah, I'm doing close.

Oh, I just made that up. Oh, okay. 1973 is what are doing the closest? Yeah, I'm doing close. Oh, I just made that up. 1973. 1973 is what David said. The year was 1979. So you were the closest. The original Walkman. Even if we didn't go without. No, no, it was closest either way.

I almost said 1980. That would have been close. The original Walkman came out in 1979. The very first one. Yeah. I know that we associate it with the 80s but I figured it must have been the late 70s yeah I probably went to it well

that came out in 1989 oh wait no that's the I think I'm thinking of the Nintendo Game Boy came out in 89 yeah 89 my bad I thought of the wrong thing okay that's fine I'm not 89. Yeah. 89. My bad. I thought of the wrong thing.

Okay. That's fine. I'm not mad. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Thanks for sticking with us for a little bit of trivia, but also a whole bunch of a variety of topics and some show and tell. We'll be back with you next week.

Be sure to like, comment, and subscribe and re-X this video when you see it. See you guys later. Peace. Bye. Waveform is produced by Adam Molina. We're partnered with... Whoa. That's what you get for making fun of me in the trivia.

Or I just forgot. I love that you made direct eye contact with Ellis immediately after. You're like, bye, Adam Molina. Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and Adam Molina. And Adam Molina's side piece yeah oh my god waveform is produced by ellis once you get it wrong it's all over waveform waveform is produced by adam melina and ellis we're partnered with vox media podcast network and our intro outro music is created by vane silk i understand that's data i'm giving a new threads app that's data.

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