Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - The Google I/O Episode!

Episode Date: May 23, 2025

This week is all about Google I/O! Google spent two hours showcasing everything from new Gemini advancements to new Gemini advancements, and even some Gemini advancements! So of course, we cover it all. Enjoy! Links: ⁠Climate town video 9to5Google - Android 16 Developer beta article Top Gear - Carplay ultra video 9to5Google - Space Cadet pinball Verge - HBO Max is back Music provided by Epidemic Sound Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Socials: Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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of like what your next direction is. This one specifically had a feature where you'd be looking at the map and when you look down, it would show a little map preview and your orientation on the map. So you could tell which direction you're supposed to go, which is every time you start directions somewhere,

that's the number one thing you have to figure out. Am I facing the right way already or no already? That five second dance solved? Yeah, love that. Yo, what is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts, I'm Marques. I'm Andrew.

And I'm David. And this was Google I.O. Week, so of course we gotta talk about that, but spoiler alert, it was, I don't know, not boring, but there wasn't a ton there, so we're gonna also talk about some other stuff. I disagree. Some CarPlay Ultra stuff, you have some thoughts on I.O.

I know. I thought it was great. It was great. But also HBO streaming interesting stuff there, also a small boost of Windows and Astrologist. So we got some other stuff to talk about as well. But first, shout out to the other channel, the MKBHD channel for hitting 20 million subscribers

over there. Appreciate y'all for getting us there. If you haven't already subscribed to Waveform, you should subscribe here too. And then we'll get 20 million channels to 20 million, which would be even better We're racing to 25 million actually wave form v mkbht. Yeah Make sure we reach it at the exact same time. That would be a huge win for both of us. Wait, so

How does it feel? I feel like this happened and we're just like cool. Does your lower back hurt? It's from carrying all the subscribers, you know, it's funny It's pretty sick. You know what's funny? I mean, every time you hit a milestone on a channel, it sort of sparks looking back at the other milestones. And I do remember, I still feel like the milestone where you add a digit feels insane. And then the ones in between are like nice study

improvements, which remind you that you can add a digit. And every time you get to the next digit, you're like, well, there's no way we add another digit. Like when we had a hundred thousand subscribers, I was like, well, there's no way we hit a million subscribers. I remember when the first YouTube channel ever hit a million subscribers, it seemed impossible. And then we hit a million subscribers.

And I was like, well, surely. You hit a million. Yeah, I had a million subscribers in the college apartment. And I was like, well, surely the peak for a tech channel has gotta be around a million subscribers, right? Like this is kind of ridiculous. And then you hit two million and three million, but it feels crazy when you hit 10 million

because you added a digit. It feels insane. Now we're at 20 million now. I'm saying this out loud. It feels like impossible that a tech channel will ever hit a 100 million subscribers. It doesn't seem realistic, but here we are on our way. So, yeah, 20 million.

Just one million. 100 million next. Marques, according to Claude, by Anthropic, if all 20 million of your subscribers joined hand in hand, they would be able to stretch from Los Angeles to New York City. Wow. That's pretty interesting.

I could picture that. I think we should do it. They could watch. According to Claude Van Proveck, I have not fact checked this. Don't worry, we'll save it for court where you can then blame it on the own AI that you made. Yeah.

I think the math checks out. Adam and I found a couple, we decided to like think of some things that were announced in the past and then reference them to a subscriber count that you were at. Okay. Harder than you'd think.

It was a little tough to do. We finally figured it out. But I just wanted to throw a couple things out here. Do you want to like guess or do you want me to just say? Oh, I can try to guess. Okay. Launch of Snapchat.

The launch of Snapchat. I was in college. I think I was in college. So that was around what, 2012? Close. Okay. And I remember that was when I got the, that was when I was in my college dorm.

How many subscribers? I'm gonna go with like 1.5 million. 16,000. September, 2011. Pretty wild. 16,000? Whoa. Andrew had to go back in your channel analytics

to like really figure this out. I found some, yeah. First Pixel phone launch, how many subs? First Pixel phone, okay. I remember reviewing the Nexuses and then the Pixel One. Oh, and now I'm totally recalibrating. Maybe that's like 1.5 million. 3.8.

Okay, 3.8 million. October 2016. Wow. Tesla Roadster announced. Oh my God. This is what sparked this whole thing. I was like, I wonder how many subs we had. 2017. 2017. So this is seven years ago.

So it could literally be, it could literally be like 12 million subscribers ago. Eight years ago. Five million. It was like right, five million was the first milestone we hit when I started and it happened in September and it was November when they announced,

or no, no, sorry, November when it hit five million, September when the Roadster was announced. So you've gained 15 million people subscribed since the Roadster was announced. Yep. Jesus. Yeah, that's insane. I also, looking through that graph,

found something pretty interesting. 2013 was a crazy year. Do you know why? Why was 2013? The New Jersey Hammerheads. Oh yeah. Just kidding. But was a crazy year. Do you know why? Why was 2013? The New Jersey Amurheads. Oh yeah. Just kidding. But- That was true. Wait, can you explain that as that?

It was the, it's actually how I met Marquez, but it was arguably the worst pro ultimate team that has ever existed. No, not anymore, not anymore. Okay, well it was close. It was about, it doesn't exist anymore, which tells you how good it was, but it's not the worst ever.

It was the only year it existed Yeah, it was the protein Mark as and I played for we were pretty bad, but 2 and 14 2 and 14 With before the season started we got sued for copywriting our logo And getting nevermind. It was a long story. It was there's a lot of things that went wrong, but I was looking in It was a long story. There was a lot of things that went wrong. But I was looking, in November 2012, you hit 100K, and in February 2014, you hit one million. So basically 2013 was like.

Wow. Your 10x founder year. Yeah, those are crazy. That's like 14 months, so a little more than a year, but I feel like 100K to a million is a huge milestone. Doing it in a year, and doing it in a year in 2013, is like kinda crazy. I've a year and doing it in a year in 2013 is like kind of crazy. In a dorm room.

I've told this story before that in 2014, my junior year is when I had a professor ask me why I hadn't dropped out of college yet. So sometime between the beginning of college and the end of college, I went from being a cool side thing to being like very sustainable. And that was when they were like, hey.

Hey, why are you trying to get an education? You should just go do YouTube. You can make money. What's this like diploma chasing thing you're doing? Yeah, that was a good year. What did 20 million subscribers teach you about B2B sales? I actually wrote this huge LinkedIn essay about that.

You should check it out. But I wrote it with AI. Yeah. I'm gonna press the congrats button. Thank you. You're welcome. I pressed the thank you button. I don't think you understand how many LinkedIn requests you're gonna get after saying that,

Alan. Cool. All right. Let's get to I.O. Sorry to derail that. I.O. happens. I thought it was fun. Input output.

Yes. Okay. So as expected, there was a lot of AI talk, a lot of Gemini talk. Matter of fact, at the end of the keynote, Sundar put up a live counter of how many times they'd said AI and Gemini, both of which were over 90. Oh yeah. It was wrong, by the way. It was? Because when he put it up, it updated in real time, but it wasn't over. There was like another four minutes where they said each one again, like three or four more times.

So probably over 100 for both. Probably. Yeah. But we expected that. We saw the whole Android thing before, and now we got a whole bunch of Gemini and AI and Veo and all of the tools that they put in these subscription plans

and all these new features launched and some of which we've gotten to demo because it actually launched right away. Some of which are coming later this year, some of which are coming next year, et cetera. But there were some highlights, some interesting stuff that we wanted to talk through. Yeah. The one, I just wanted to shout out my favorite one

because I made a short about it, was the try it on feature. I love it. As soon as they said it's available today, I was like, I gotta try it. I gotta see this. So I found it in labs, I enabled it in my account, and it is an AI feature that lets you try on clothes

from Google Shopping. Now it's supposed to someday be anything in Google Shopping, I guess any clothes, but for now it's like kind of siloed with these like 50 or 60 garments that you can try, and so you upload a photo of yourself, hopefully with form-fitting clothing and a simple background, and then you just hit the outfit and it just builds an AI-generated image with you wearing the

outfit. Some of them, a little weird. Yeah, I agree. Definitely adjusted some of my proportions. Some of them looked like they kind of like generated new footwear, erased my watch, did some other interesting things to put outfits on me. I thought that was interesting stylistically. I also kind of worry about this feature because you can kind of just upload any picture. Like I use a picture of myself,

but it doesn't say you can't upload a picture of someone else and put another random outfit on them. It's weird. It's not public yet. It's in labs, so I guess it's kind of public. Yeah, that was the highlight for me of like, oh, that's five or six startups that just got destroyed just now with one slide on Google's presentation.

You know we don't need AI to see how we look in dresses, right? I like the eye-dissing feature. I thought it was cool. I think there's so many times you order something and it doesn't fit right, and you can save so much shipping if it like, if that does actually help. Like the only piece of clothing I've ever bought

on the internet is five gray shirts. And I didn't really need to know how that looked on my body because I just bought the medium and I was like, it's gonna be under whatever sweater I'm wearing that day anyway, so only really wear sweaters. So, or a jacket. For me, this is amazing because it gets rid of a lot of that anxiety of like, well, is this even gonna like look okay on me? Is this gonna fit me right? Yeah.

This is a very practical use of AI that I think is gonna be useful for a lot of people. I'm wondering what the constraints of this are. Like do the companies that sell the garments need to like upload a 3D model so that they can like, they didn't talk about that at all. Yeah, a lot of the verbiage on Google's website seems to imply that AI is going to automatically look at the garment, figure out it knows what a garment is,

and then figure out the places on your body that the fabric will lay and just simulate it with AI. So that- I wonder if it's gonna simulate the specific type of fabric. Seems like it. I mean, you kind of do oppose to,

and so I had my arm out and like the thick sleeves were like hanging off my arm. It seemed like it did a good job. I think this is only beneficial if it can pull without having to upload a 3D image cause that's no one's ever gonna do all of that. Exactly, it would be like a platform that nobody wanted to use.

Exactly, I think it's beneficial because so much of us order stuff online and if you could look at it semi on yourself and realize then I don't like how this looks, then it saves the shipping to you, deciding you don't like it, shipping it back, which we could all cut down on. There's a great climate town video about this actually

you should go watch. It would save so much in that sense. shipping it back, which we could all cut down on. There's a great climate town video about this actually. You should go watch. It would save so much in that sense. And also the reason I think it would want to eventually pull from that is because they also coupled it with that price tracking AI. Oh yeah. Was it like an extension or?

Well, it would give you a notification on when it released, when an item dropped below a certain price threshold. So if you went, I really liked that shirt, but it's 50 bucks, I wouldn't really buy it unless it's under 45 bucks. So you set a notification for, let me know if this ever gets under 45. And if it does, it sends you a notification,

you hit the button and it fills out the whole process for you and buys it on the spot, which seems pretty cool. It's like more integrated slick deals or something, which I think is awesome. And if it can just pull that from seeing what's on a website, seeing a price and being able to follow that, I think that's awesome. Google has been trying to make Google shopping happen

for a really long time. Like they have tried so many different things to actually get people to use this platform, and it's been around for forever. Wait, people don't use it? Google shopping? I use it all the time. You're crazy.

I don't like it. I use it to find something, and then I take that item name and go find the best place to buy it. I almost never buy anything from Google shopping. When I'm looking for weird stuff, and I just need to be like, camera, one inch sensor, black, semen, you know?

Would you do that? I do it all the time. When I, I would do the research to find exactly what I wanted first. Well, can I give an example? Yes, sure. Okay. If like, there's a pair of shoes that you really like that is sold across like DSW sporting goods stores,

REI, everything, right. You can also do all your sizes in there. So when it's like maybe a pair of Salomon's are out on the Salomon website, or REI, the places you're used to shopping at, then you can do it in that and it'll only show you things in those sizes and you can find the website. And then you click on the website link

and it's out of stock. When I, it's very possible, but. When I know what features I want in a product and I don't know which products have those features, Google shopping comes in super clutch. For me, like YouTube and Reddit is my search engine for that. I do my, yeah, I think my order of operations for I need a product in a category,

but I don't know which one, is I do product research first, watch videos, read reviews, et cetera, and then once I know which product I want, then I go to Google to find which version of it I can buy, and then I take the name of that product, and then I go to the retailer I trust and try to find it there.

And Google sometimes will show me all the retailers that have it, and then I'll pick from there. But I don't even know if I trust that list. Sometimes I see the list and I'm like, I can buy these cleats on Goat, on these two other websites, and then I'll go, well, what about Amazon? And I find it on Amazon too. You buy cleats on Goat? Yeah, well, because I, there's like a three-year-old pair of cle and then I'll go, well what about Amazon? And I find Amazon too. You buy cleats on Goat?

Yeah, well, cause I, there's like a three year old pair of cleats that I really liked and I couldn't find them anymore. So I was like, what if I found a pair that someone just still has? And then I tried Goat and I tried like one or two other sites and that was my way. It's a wild, I get mine at Marshall's.

Well, yeah. I don't mind. Two knee surgeries. Yeah, yeah. I know why you have two knee surgeries. Yeah, yeah. I only wear super wide dad shoes because I have a bad back. I wanna say we've talked about shopping so far. IO should have opened with this.

It was the most relatable thing. Instead, they tried to open it by relating to that Gemini completed Pokemon Blue and then made some weird pun about APIs with artificial Pokemon. Yeah, artificial Pokemon intelligence. That was strange. And they didn't show any like screenshots.

It was just a graph. It was like, this is how we beat it. I thought that one might've been a joke. It was a joke. Well, no, no, no, I think it beat it, but then the API part was just a pun. Look, if Twitch can beat Pokemon, I would hope that Gemini could beat Pokemon.

Exactly, do we want to be compared to Twitch viewers? Yeah, I guess the main point of a lot of this I.O. keynote was to showcase Gemini, how much more powerful different models of it have gotten, so they show lots of scores and lots of benchmarks and how powerful and how fast a lot of these models are So they open with that great. I get it. But then yeah, they did get into some of the more meaty demo stuff I will say that this year it felt like there were more

obvious use cases of Gemini and all of these models and less just like look at these numbers about tokens last year It was just a lot of nebulous numbers that didn't mean anything to anybody. But this year, it was a lot of actual demos, actual integration, and that's why I found it to be a better I.O. this year. I still felt like a lot of it was like, here's the thing AI can do if you're a complete moron, and here's a set of numbers

that you need a PhD to understand. It was like, there wasn't a whole lot of things that I was super, super excited for, but do you wanna go through those things? And I wanna make sort of an overarching point about I.O. to begin this. Dub dub, Apple has this whole ecosystem of devices, right? And the whole point of dub dub is that they update the OS

of every single device that they make. Yeah. And you get to know all the new features of that OS. Google doesn't really have as much of an ecosystem, but Gemini is now sort of like, is sort of their ecosystem. It's the thing that's on everyone's devices. And there are a bunch of different things that it's doing because things like Imogen and VO and Astra, like they're all sort of like subcategories of Gemini in a way. And so Gemini sort of feels like this like universal operating system that Google has across its devices and platforms. So now every IO we get, you know, we get the updates to all of these sub Gemini products, which I, which I found quite interesting.

We got a lot of interesting stuff, starting with real-time translation. So I think Ellis may need to eat his words. He should try it first. We should try it. It's available today. We should try it. But only in Spanish.

That was even still, like, you know, after, again, 14 years of Microsoft being, this year we're introducing live translation for Google to come out and be like, it's here. No wait, I was like, wow. Google's been talking about it for a while too. It was supposed to be in the Pixel Buds 1. I remember, I know, but again,

literally when I was in high school, they were like, this is coming to Skype, you know? So like, yeah, we'll see. But yeah, congratulations Google on making me eat my words. Also to all 50 million people that tagged me on Twitter that it's here. Yeah. They started doing it and I just slowly turned to Ellis

and stared at him until, and I just was watching him like groaning at the screen as it was happening. Yeah. For those who haven't seen it, it's essentially inside of Google Meet, if people don't speak the same language, they can have auto AI dubbing turned on for each other.

So you speak your own native language, the other person sees you and then starts to hear a live translated AI voice that sounds like you but is in your language that you understand. So as if you're like watching a tv program that's dubbed. It's nice to finally talk to you. You're going to have a lot of fun and I think you're gonna love visiting the city. The house is in a very nice neighborhood and overlooks the mountain. It's live and it's a video call.

It's like those documentaries where like it lets them start their sentence so you can hear what their voice sounds like and then like one second later you can still sort of hear in the background but the dubs over top of it. Yeah right. Don't they sell it, where is the library? It's that. Yeah, yeah so that was fun. We also, okay so we're just gonna go through this stuff. AI mode is something that kind of launched in beta for a lot of people a few weeks ago. I don't know if you guys have used this at all. I have it yeah. I have used it, it's in Google search.

So effectively the idea of it is that you search things, obviously, but a lot of people are starting to search things not in SEO, like we're from this era where we search in SEO, right? We know the keywords to put in Google to find the thing you need. Yeah, now it's knowledge searches.

And like asking it questions for answers. That's the new thing. So now people are getting more used to, because people go to chat GPT now and they type questions for answers. That's the new thing. So now people are getting more used to it. Because people go to chat GPT now and they type in natural language. So they're getting more used to this idea of knowledge search, like you said. So now Google has this thing called AI mode, which

is when you search something in Google, you can then switch into this AI mode where you can, it's basically a Gemini wrapper where you can just have a conversation about the search, so you can speak more naturally to the thing. That's been out in beta for a little bit of time, but they just opened it up to everybody across the world. So I've used it a couple times.

It's kind of nice to be able to get to Gemini quicker, obviously. Yeah. Do you know, with that mode, in regular Google searches, it's still giving me AI interviews and stuff? Overviews, sorry. In regular mode it does give you AI overviews. Just split them.

You have the mode now, I just want the mode, let me still search in SEO. Google has a thousand teams and they just all deploy. Do we know which version of Gemini, the AI previews are using? I think they said 2.5 flash. Okay. The AI previews.

The AI previews and Google previews. Overviews, yeah. I'm not sure. Overviews. I'm not sure. They're always wrong. They're all, they're always factually inaccurate. They're often inaccurate, for sure.

I, I'm willing. I wouldn't say always. I've definitely gotten some accurate stuff. Yeah. Have you double checked it? Yes. Yeah. And it's definitely wrong sometimes. I can say I watched it get like five things wrong this morning when I was trying to figure out

Marques's subscriber count in certain dates because it just referenced it at least showed me the references to where it was getting them all wrong. And it was just integrating that incorrectly. But I have been having my issue with it is I've been using Android for the first time since middle school for the past few weeks. And I've been using Android for the first time since middle school for the past few weeks. And so I've been using stock Android. And so there's a lot of things I don't know how to do. And so I Google it and I always get the AI overview and it's never a single time been right. Like to the point where it's like hallucinating things

in settings that are not actually in Android settings. So I've given up on it. Maybe they've been in settings in previous years. That's exactly what it is. Or I'm on Android 14, so maybe it's in 16 and it's not in 14. That's what I mean. Or I think it's probably something that was in 12.

Yeah. Or if it's on an Oppo phone only, you know? But it's like grabbing from some room. Take it from somewhere. You know, there's a whole rainbow of ways to be wrong. Yeah, that is true. Okay, we also got Imogen 4 and VO3. They called it Imagine 4, so that's-

That's what I always thought it was. I'd never said it out loud, but whenever I see it, I just go, oh, that's clever, it's called Imagine. I think it's a double entendre. Yeah. Don't ask me that. It's their image generator. Image generator and Imagine. I'm it's a double entendre. Yeah. Don't ask me that. It's the image generator. Image generator and imagine.

I'm calling it image and just like, imager. Image generator. You call it image generator? Image generator, no, imager. I call it imager. Imager. Imager is what I call it.

Imager. Imager. Yeah, imager. Wow, I haven't seen that website in so long. It's bad now. Yeah, cause Reddit. It's way worse. Oh yeah, it's got like 40 ads.

It has me posting now, that's why why Okay, so this is an image generator Sorry, sorry the rabbit holes This is an image generator and a video generator and they updated them and they have previously been Not quite as good as like chat GPT's image generator. So theoretically they're much better quite as good as like Chat GPT's image generator. So theoretically they're much better. But the big update is that VO3 now allows you to generate video with sound. Horrifying.

Which is horrifying. I told you this was coming. I said this. I told you this. It's not just like Will Smith eating spaghetti now, it's you hear. Yeah, I was just gonna. I can hear, you can hear the chewing now.

It's serious. Yeah. It's serious. I think we need to do it at some point. It's weird, yeah, I would definitely try to demo this. It's weird because, again, if you've been keeping track of this video generation evolution over the past couple years, it's been always very clear to me

that it doesn't know what it's generating, it's just creating the file from diffusion and then it just looks a certain way and that's the way it is. So the fact that it's able to do dialogue already is like, it feels like it just leapfrogged a whole thing. Like I would expect like ambient sounds to be fine. Oh, it's in a forest so you hear like birds chirping.

Okay, that makes sense. Oh, it's a bird flying so you hear the wings flapping. I'm sure that could be okay. Yeah, but like people talking and the sound moving with their mouths. That part is a lot. That part is really impressive to me. Can't wait to see a lot of it,

because we all know, look at hands to find the telltale sign of AI. What's going to be the voice cue? It's going to be ever shrinking too. So there's gonna be, you're gonna be able to spot it obviously, and then like future advancements of it will get better and better and it will be harder and harder to spot.

It's just getting to the point where my favorite part about new AI generation stuff is finding the thing that royally screws up the first time they like. So like now that we have audio and dialogue, I can't, I'm excited to see what the masses are gonna. It's just gonna like dub in the wrong to see what the masses are gonna mess with. It's gonna dub in the wrong language,

but the mouth is still gonna be. It's like three words are in a different language. Yeah. Yeah, I think that Imogen and Veo are clearly more targeted at Google being like, oh, we know that businesses and enterprise wanna use this for marketing. Because a lot of marketing that's like in the subway

or like that uses like stock video or stock photography, Google is just like, we can replace the whole industry. It's just gonna put ads in the middle of YouTube videos that are AI generated for whatever product you're selling. Yeah. That was a whole thing. Yeah, we were watching this keynote. I forget who, but someone in the studio was like,

what is the use of this? Like, other than tricking people. And there's not a lot that I could think of. Like, I like the tool for brainstorming. Like, if I'm trying to imagine a YouTube thumbnail or trying to imagine a video set, I can just kind of play with it and figure some stuff out. But yeah, it's getting more and more realistic

and can do dialogue now. Like, what does that benefit? It doesn't benefit me at all. I could see like needing stock footage of something as like a B-roll clip. Like there's whole websites that are just stock footage. Stock footage doesn't have audio most of the time. Oh, you're saying the audio aspect of it?

Yeah, the audio aspect and like getting better. Well, that is weird. No, this is for ads. It's like if you're a brand and instead of hiring people to make your new ad, you can just type it into Google, be like, I'm selling this product, give it a bunch of pictures. Be like, give me people on the beach enjoying this thing

and put it in between videos for ages 18 to 35 males. There's also already tons of Instagram ads that use your voice to talk about things. So now they can use your voice and your face at the same time. Oh, gosh. Also, yeah. I don't know how this is gonna like play in

with Actors Union contracts, but I could see the video game industry being really, really interested in this because in modern AAA games, you are oftentimes recording hundreds of thousands of lines of dialogue. Think about for the random crowd lines that you would normally.

It was interesting because every time they announced a new speaker on stage, they would walk on stage and there was a video, an AI generated video of that speaker with a flaming basketball or something. Like a dress of butterflies. Yeah, but it wasn't just a modified video, it was a fully generated video. Because there was a little bit of that AI look to their face

so you could tell that had been generated. But it was close enough that it was kind of like right over the edge, right? So the weird thing about this is gonna be like, they're gonna be able to make ads that just have your face and voice now. Yeah, they're embracing that. But that is a downside.

It is a huge downside. If I could attempt to pick a way to use this that's not bad is similar to how you said, you like to mock up thumbnails. I've done this before where I've been like, Tim, this is this idea that I had for a thumbnail. I tried my best to manipulate it in Sora, but now you make it because you're talented

and we pay you. I could see this maybe being like, if you're a director or something being like, I want, this is like what I'm looking for in a shot to show to your director of photography, to show to your actor, something like that. But that probably just means you're a shit director. You can't explain that, you need AI.

I don't know. But they also announced something called Flow, which is an AI filmmaking app, which lets you take those short clips, stitch them together, make longer videos. Yeah, it uses VO, Imogen, and Gemini together, and it is basically like a video editing platform that you can just, AI filmmaking, ha ha ha.

Yay! I'll jump down one more rabbit hole real quick. There is a new YouTube feature that we've been given special early access to. That is a- Are we allowed to talk about this? Yes. Okay. That is, that helps me as a creator identify

versions of me that have been AI generated that are uploaded to the internet. Oh. To YouTube specifically. Interesting. So you know how copyright ID would be like, of me that have been AI generated that are uploaded to the internet. To YouTube specifically. So you know how copyright ID would be like, I am the copyright holder of this music track. If anyone else uploads this music, it can automatically find it.

And then I can use the tool to decide what I wanna leave and what I wanna take down. This tool, which is very forward thinking for YouTube is a likeness detector. So, so far I've been poking around in it and it's basically finding other re-uploaded copies of my videos, but I can imagine in a world where this becomes really prolific,

someone makes a fake ad with me, you know, an AI version of me promoting something, I would be able to see it and I would be able to take it down because I own my likeness through this tool. I would suggest that all the platforms consider something like this, because it is very early days, and I think creators in general like the idea

of owning their likeness, even when those tools become crazy like this. Yeah, that's very helpful. Okay, back to the top of the rabbit hole. Okay, we also got an update to Project Astra. So last year we saw Project Astra and that was basically the multimodal Gemini that was basically live but could also use your camera and you could talk to it. I think it was effectively just supposed to be their most multimodal version of Gemini.

And this time they added a lot of other stuff to it. So they added an agentic feature where you could ask it to look something up for you and it would scroll the internet for you and like pick out pages. You could show it live video feeds and talk to it in real time. And effectively I would consider this kind of AGI in a way. Like this may be a hot take, but everyone always talks

about AGI and reaching this point where like may be a hot take, but everyone always talks about AGI and reaching this point where like, oh, we've got this artificial general intelligence that can do anything better than human. And like functionally, I think the only important part of AGI functionally is like, when can it do everything for you? When can it do what I ask of it?

Yeah. Yeah. I tend to agree. I think a lot of people picture it as being like a humanoid robot or like navigating the world around it. But my standard has always been if I had a personal assistant and I could just talk to it like a regular person and it could figure out what I wanted and actually do it, do it.

Mission accomplished. Yeah. And so the agentic features like there was a version where I think he there's a guy fixing a bicycle and he needed a certain part and the agent went and called a local bike shop to confirm that they still have the part in stock. That was crazy. That's the type of thing a person with a human assistant would do.

Yeah. And it just pulled it off theoretically. You know what's super funny too is in 2018, we saw Google Duplex and there were so many articles written like, what are the ethics of this? And that was where you would have basically a Google Assistant at the time would call a restaurant and make a reservation for you and everyone's like,

oh but if they don't know it's a robot, like is it ethical? And now we're just like, yep, we're just doing everything. Like nobody cares anymore. There was this whole arc of like first it was, it would call them and be like, hi, I'm a Google Assistant calling on behalf of. Well, they didn't do that first.

Well, pizza shops would just hang up. No one's gonna answer that. They started going, okay, people just hang up, so we might have to, and then they stopped doing that. And then they started just calling and pretending to be a human and not saying it. Well, I think what happened is that they didn't say it. And then there was all those articles written about it

and people freaked out and then they added it. happened is that they didn't say it and then there was all those articles written about it and people freaked out And then they added it and then it just didn't work because people just hang up on it Yeah, and so now and now Google's like well, I guess people are used to robots now So they just like started having into all this stuff So yeah, we saw a demo of some some guy basically fixing his bike and doing all these things with it It was quite cool. I have to say. I think it was very good. The other demo they showed on Gemini Live was just someone walking around

and saying a bunch of wrong things, and then it's sassily telling them that they're wrong. Yeah. I thought it was a funny demo just because of how mad it seemed like to be at it. It wasn't mad, but it was just like, no, that's not a converticle. Again, that's a dump truck.

Like, hey, that's just your shadow, moron. But that felt like they were just showing the same thing, but rather than just telling you everything, because they've shown that a million times, they're like, well, let's just tell you you're wrong about everything. It was an interesting demo. Because the thing that people are concerned about

is is it going to be wrong all the time, or is it going to be right? Like, is the AI going to tell me the the time or is it going to be right? Like is the AI going to tell me the truth or is it going to hallucinate? And the fact that it felt like maybe you could say something wrong and try to trick it and it would actually like give you the right answer felt like they were instilling confidence in people using the AI to tell the truth. Can I eat this? Can I tell a quick anecdotal story we saw in the studio the other day about live?

We were talking about the gorilla person experiment and it somehow got on the topic of can gorillas get drunk? I think. Can you explain that? You need to. There's a whole debate on if one gorilla can take on 100 humans. And so that sparked multiple debates at work. And we somehow got into could a hundred humans. And so that sparked multiple debates at work. And we somehow got into, could a gorilla, what was it? Could one gorilla take on a hundred four locos or something like that. So we were trying to see if gorillas could get drunk.

Anyways, Alex asked Gemini, like, do gorillas metabolize alcohol? It's not a course. What? Yeah. Yeah. I'll explain later. I've seen squirrels very quickly.

What was it like if a gorilla were to drink a four loco, would it get drunk? And its response was, well, since gorillas are smaller than the average human, yes, it would be able to. And all of us just kind of like paused and were like smaller than a human. And Alex said, and a baby, I mean, then a big person, like a large. And Alex said. And then a baby. I mean, then a big person, like a large. I think it's still bigger than the biggest person you can think of.

Yeah. And he had to like correct it and he was like, oh, you're right, gorillas are bigger than humans. And that's how like confident, it would have continued with that entire conversation with the basis of gorillas are smaller than humans if you didn't correct it. Interesting.

Yeah, obviously everything that Google shows off is going to be. Perfect. Well, it hasn't been in prior years, but I think they're trying very hard because they had a lot of mess ups the last few years. So yeah. Yeah.

They also introduced Project Mariner, which was effectively the rabbit teach mode that we never got, where you would like teach, you would show it how to navigate a certain site and then it could repeat it. Yeah That has obvious use cases eventually. They really feel the need to name everything, huh? They do which so they can change it in a year. Yeah, it's just project Astra project mariner Gemini a lot like yeah, yo image. okay, yeah, everything's got a name. Cool.

Project Cold Harbor. Cold Harbor. Spoilers. That's not a spoiler. I have no idea what you guys are talking about. There's a popular TV show made by Apple TV Plus, Pro Max, whatever, called Severance, where an evil tech company gives all of their, their like, project project secret code names and it's very similar to the way Google does. Okay. Yes. Yeah. Okay

Also Gemini agent mode which can do multiple tasks for you at once with one unified AI and I found this to be very cool It was sort of this generalized Gemini AI where you would ask it, like you could ask it questions just like you would normally ask Gemini questions, but then you could say like, oh can you do this and this and this and it would like start doing stuff in the sidebar and also answer questions to you on the right. And it kind of just felt like this all-in-one portal. So right now it kind of feels like they have a lot of sandboxes that they're just kind of messing around with to see what sticks. They all have names and they all have and all of them are coming either soon or later this year.

Yeah. Or to subscribers. That was like, was that the most used phrase this entire show was available for subscribers? Yeah. This is the thing. Yeah. So they, I guess, are making sort of bundles of these sandboxes that you can pay for access to groups of them at once. So one of them is called Google AI Pro and one of them is called Google AI Ultra, which is just all of them plus like 30 terabytes storage is $250 a month. Yeah, sure.

Yeah. But yeah, that is kind of how I see it. There's just a bunch of simultaneously developing technologies that sometimes work with each other, sometimes they're just their own thing. Yeah. We also have Gemini personal context. And Sundar actually used this as an example on stage where his friend, apparently friend,

emailed him and I was asking him some like hiking advice for like a trip that he was doing and he's like, I know that you did this trip. So do you have recommendations? And Sundar was like, I don't have time for that So he basically he had been on these trips before and had made like a spreadsheet about the trip or something in his Google Drive so Gmail was a was able to pull information from his documents that he had in Google Drive About the trip and just basically replied to him for him.

But at the same time, the question becomes, if Sundar's gonna reply with AI, why didn't the original guy just ask AI the questions? Well, that is exactly why I didn't like this demo is because they'd done a good job lately. You know how we've kind of made fun of a lot of these demos of being like, how can I be a worse person? Right.

Like, can you write a letter to my cousin who just graduated and say how proud I am of him? Like, do it yourself if you really care, right? And most of the demos they've tried to do have avoided that like being a worse person thing, but this was specifically a person asking Sundar for his personal recommendation. So he's asking you, what do you recommend that I do?

And then Sundar's AI goes, oh, well, you did this trip. You had these calendar events. You had this spreadsheet. So I'll write what you would have recommended him. And I guess that's easier for him, but it's also just on that line. It's on the cusp because it is technically based on what Sundar did specifically,

which could be interpreted as his recommendations. I wanna jump in here, cause this has happened to me, literally hiking things at a national park. It makes so much sense. He should have just phrased this whole thing differently cause he said, I got this email and I need personal recommendations for Zion.

And he said, normally I just wouldn't respond, which is just like off the bat, stick move. Like that just makes all of this seem so, but the thing is, is like when you're doing a lot of research on, we'll use a park for example, you've probably made a spreadsheet or you've made a Google Doc and you've shared it with people and you've like sent emails

to everyone going on the trip on what you wanna do. So if I could say like, oh yeah, I did do a bunch of things, can you pull all the research I've written down already into an email and then I go in and like add my touch to it. Like, oh yeah, I really did like this one, which is great because it already pulled it from that Google Doc from five years ago that I probably named something stupid

and is hard to find. That's super helpful. It is. As you say that, it's like half the people in my life are like, hey, what phone should I get, Marquez? And I kind of just imagine it going like, looking through my hundreds of Docs and phone reviews and being like, boy, do I have an answer for you.

And that is easier because I- Have you ever heard of Oppo? Yeah, like I don't actually want to answer that email, but I have an answer for you. And that is easier. Have you ever heard of Oppo? Yeah, like I don't actually want to answer that email, but maybe it would just do it. If you have good intentions, you can use that really well because it's harder for me to go find all the things, but if it can pull it all in and then I can change it. But if you're just like,

I never would have replied to this guy in the first place, but now I'm gonna let AI do it. And I will say that like, this is sort of an enhanced version of Google's existing smart replies in Gmail. The smart replies in Gmail are useless garbage. It's pretty generic. They're so generic. It's just like, sounds good, thanks. That's it. Yeah. Or no, I don't want to do that. Like those are the answers that it gives you.

And so now it can be based on your personal writing style. It can pull from your past emails in your inbox where you have replied to things and said specific things before and information that you've received. That I could see super. Super helpful because it's hard because the search function in Gmail sucks.

Yes, agreed. And like when we did our South by Southwest show, it started with Adam, Ellis and I talking to Vox. So like that was multiple email chains long, 50 plus emails on each. But when I had to send the information to you guys, like I could have said, can you grab the stuff we finalized in these email chains about South by Southwest

and put it into one email with the important location times that we need? Oh my God, that would have saved me so much time. If it works. It sounds amazing if it works. Yeah, oh my god, that would have saved me so much time. If it works. It sounds amazing if it works. Yeah, yeah, no, totally agree. If it pulls from an old email of like, does this time work for you?

No, but it seems the time pulls that in. Or it doesn't understand time zones or something. Yeah, I would love if that worked though. If it worked. Very useful. Money. Yeah, and it could also be based on files in your Google Drive. And something I've been thinking about a lot

is like people have been saying that Google is the best positioned AI company right now because they have so much data about you personally. Because you know Apple is all about security and privacy and we won't use your data for anything. And Google's like we will use data for everything. But you're also using all of our products. And it'll be convenient.

And that's what all of these are. Like it pulls from your Google Drive, it pulls from your previous emails, it pulls from your previous emails, it pulls from everything you've done with it. That does position Google to be like, you should use more of our products because then our AI that is your personal assistant for your whole life will work better

if you give it more context and information. Which is why they added Gemini to Chrome, which is the next thing we're gonna talk about. Yeah, real quick, just to compare to where Meta is at. Meta, remember they're building that tool of like, oh, you have an Instagram profile and your friends wanna DM you, or your fans wanna DM you,

but you don't wanna reply to all of them so we can make an AI that's like you and replies to them? It's one step removed. Cool idea maybe, but how much does that AI know about me, other than how I DM my friends? I don't know if I trust that to have enough information. Meanwhile, Google's like, I read all your emails, all your calendar events, all your docs,

I know everything about you, so I use this. Well, and also I think the difference too is that Google lets you validate it before you hit that send button. You know what I mean? It will write you the email with all of the information, but you have the option to go and double check that information,

whereas the meta copy of you is just responding to you. Yeah, that's a big difference. Yeah, it's a huge difference. Yeah. So, yes, but they added Gemini to Chrome, and the browser company's DIA browser was kind of supposed to be Chrome with a Gemini, well a GPD sidebar. Yeah, I don't really know what they're gonna do now. I feel like this was inevitable though, so they probably have thought through that at this point. I mean, yeah, we saw

this coming a mile away, which is Gemini is gonna be in everything, okay? Gemini is in Chrome. Very useful, again, if I'm on a website and I wanna ask for a summary of something, if I'm, I mean, all the classic things that you see on like smartphone browsers these days, like it, maybe their differentiator is you can flip between different models, use GPT one day,

Gemini another day, I don't know if that's enough for people. Everything they've been showing has been super, super early and they said they have tons of ideas they're gonna implement, so we'll see, but I don't know. But the interesting thing about Gemini and Chrome is that it has all of the data of everything you've been doing on the internet. Yeah, Jesus.

That's so much information. That's so much information. It knows every website you've been to, it knows everything you've searched. Since I was website you've been to it knows everything you've searched since I was like 14 And if it knows everything about that it has an infinite context window People have to go into chat jpt and say I am this kind of person I do this I I like this sport and that's like it, you know, it uses that information over time But you have to manually input everything whereas using Gemini and Chrome is just kind of like a one-click import about who you are as a human being,

which is pretty, you know, like I feel like that's kind of their killer. This is the ultimate privacy convenience trade-off. Yes, absolute, like pull that slider all the way to one end of like, you don't have any privacy, it knows everything you've done, your history, your communications and everything, but wow, is that gonna be convenient. It's gonna be able to write emails for you that sound like you, it's gonna be able to tell your friends

where you're going at a certain day so you can meet up, it's gonna be great. Write the podcast. Yeah. The sliders have been pulled all the way to the edge. That's everything. Look at all the verge articles I looked at for the last week, write the podcast. Look at all the Verge articles I looked at for the last week,

write the podcast. All the YouTube videos and articles I've read in the last week, write the podcast. Yeah, so that's a huge thing. And the interesting factor is gonna be whether or not Chrome gets separated from Google in a couple of months. That's a big question mark. But if they can do this, and a lot of people

have been using Chrome for years, it's like a one click import to Gemini, and then suddenly it knows everything about you. And I think that's really crazy. It is a lot. So that was most of the main stuff, but we also have the glasses, which we will get to. Yeah, why don't we take a quick break?

We'll do the glasses and the video call thing. Beam. Oh, Beam. After the break. But not the Casey Neistat one. Yeah. But hey, before that break, you know we're gonna do a little bit of trivia. ["Waveform Trivia"]

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organize it, make it pretty capabilities. Rajan was talking about baseball. And not just baseball, but a new shape or type of bat that is present in Major League Baseball. Oh, thank goodness. Because I'm gonna brain freeze. This is a 20 point question, right? What is the bat, Andrew? Can I describe it? You know what? I think I remember. You know what, I'm feeling brain freeze. This is a 20 point question, right? What is the bat?

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In 18 months. In his fullon eyes. And that's why he left. He was like, this is too much. Like, I can't. Basically that's why he left? Yeah, he was like, I can't go out in public anymore. My family, that's just like, we can't have normal lives.

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but there's kind of actually a lot of stuff. Okay, watching it was boring, reading back the good parts about it was like, okay, these things are interesting, which just proves that they did a terrible job presenting. It was a bunch of highlights in between a bunch of boring. That's what it was. I also think that they repeated a lot. Oh yeah.

In the first half, they announced a ton, and then the second half, they just announced it again. I was like, what are you doing? It was two hours long. It could have been one. Anyway, continue. Yeah, so Project Starline, we got to see, was like, what are you doing? It was two hours. It was two hours long. It could have been one. Anyway, continue. Yeah, so Project Starline, we got to see, was that two Google IOs ago?

Yes, it was two years ago. Okay, so it was there, this massive, specially built kiosk, I don't know what to call this, but it was a video content station. It's like a puppet theater in the library. It was kind of cool. It was basically just, you sit down in front of it,

there's a whole bunch of cameras and sensors around you and someone else sits down in front of one somewhere else. And when you look through the display, which is a lenticular display at the other side, it looks like the person on the other side is sitting in front of you in 3D. I did a video about this. I tried to capture it on camera to the best of my ability.

It's difficult, but it is a very impressive technology. It's pretty wild. I'm not entirely sure how they scale this or bring this to businesses or who even needs these types of things. But we did get an updated version of this called Google Beam, which was a smaller version in collaboration with HP that maybe even has

better image quality and uses AI to like- Was it smaller? It looked a little smaller. I mean, this is me judging based on the video. But yeah, that was something else that they showed at I.O. which was like, okay, if they're gonna ship these, they now seem to have a commercial partner that they can manufacture them with

and maybe it'll be in the real world someday. Cool. Yeah. They just said it's Starline but with AI. Yeah. And HP. I don't really know what the AI is doing. Well, the theme of, that's keep going, the theme of Google IOs, we added AI to it. So I think they look back and they were like,

oh, Gemini. But that justifies an entire name change from Starline to Beam. I think low key the HP partner is actually a bigger deal because they have someone to make the hardware instead of it being like just a thing Google built and shows some reporters sometimes. Do you guys think Humane is making it?

I said that when we were watching. I was like, is that where this is going? Wait, Humane? Well, cause they're all at HP now. Oh, HP, oh. Yeah. Whoa. That's a, wow.

I was wondering why no one laughed when I said that. I forgot. Well, the AI element is obviously that they're doing the real time translation cause it uses Google Meet. So I was that. Well, the AI element is obviously that they're doing the real-time translation because it uses Google Meet. I was wondering if some of it may have also been the like, it still needs to kind of cut you out. And when we did Starline, there was some like pretty jagged edges

every once in a while. So I wonder if it just increased the efficiency of that. Yeah. They're gonna be an info conference. Can I? I don't even know what that is. Yeah. You need to think.

Probably for the best. Thanos meme. I'm trying to think of, because I think this is cool, but the situation you have to be in to use this feels extremely niche. Nah. Because it's.

No, come on, think about a WeWork. Think about if a WeWork deployed like five of these and you could just go in and do a video conference with someone at another WeWork. Think about if a WeWork deployed five of these and you could just go in and do a video conference with someone at another WeWork. Can you only do it with one other person? I don't know. So far we've only. Probably. If you can fit in the window of capture,

you'd have to be next to them. Well, it was doing face tracking before and they could probably only do face tracking on one person. Yeah, like the eye tracking. This feels like at best one to one video conference. Yeah. But it's still cool. Both people need the full setup in the space that it's in.

Yeah. Yeah. And I feel like most video calls between offices that are more than one person. Yeah. Yeah. So I feel like this is extremely. It was a cool idea if I had to narrow it down specifically for seeing someone you care a lot about and you can't travel to go see them. Right.

Probably family, probably someone who can't fly, but somehow has access to get to one of these locations. I can't fly. Super enterprise-y. Right in Newark Airport we can't fly either. That's true. That's true. Yeah. Okay.

Big, the biggest, the probably biggest news that most people care about Android XR is a platform that Google had announced earlier this year. We obviously saw project muhan, which was their Samsung collaboration headset that lays exactly like a vision pro but more comfortable Slightly lower quality. I actually got to try it for the first time. So that's why I'm just saying all the things It's very comfortable, by the way. It was not as high quality as Vision Pro, but it was close. But they took the Android XR platform, and the whole idea of Android XR is supposed to be it's scalable.

So you can go from devices with literally zero screens, where it's just basically using Gemini Live for you, to a full Vision Pro-esque headset where you've got everything in front of you and all this kind of stuff. But the biggest thing is that they finally showed off the glasses, which was very cool, and they announced partnerships where they're going to be making glasses

with Gentle Monster, which is a high fashion brand. I had to look these up? Yeah, well, yeah. Well, that one. That one, yeah. They like a high fashion brand. I had to look these up. Yeah, well. Well, that one. That one, yeah. They're a high fashion brand and then also, what was the other brand? Warby Parker.

And then also Warby Parker, which is like a more entry level glasses brand. More popular. Yeah. So I got to try them. Marques apparently also got to try them a long time ago. When, I think I can say this, I wasn't allowed to show it.

When I shot my, hold on. Yeah, I ago. I think I can say this. I wasn't allowed to show it. When I shot my... Hold on. Yeah, I don't know if we should say that. I think, because that was... Well, maybe we shouldn't talk about that, just in case. But I finally got to try these glasses. They have a monocular display, which is sort of a little mini screen in the corner of the right eye

And if you tilt your head a certain direction you can kind of see it And it was a similar kind of thing to the meta glasses, but it was like shrunken down to one small area And I thought it was actually quite cool when you say meta glasses you're talking about the Orion Orion prototype Gotcha. Yeah, they wouldn't tell me if they were using like wave guides or whatever, but they have a projector so almost definitely. But effectively they are Gemini glasses so you have a little pill in the bottom right corner that you can turn on at any time either by touching the side of the glasses or by invoking it with your voice. And you can do everything you can do with Gemini Live. So you can look at a thing. You can say, what kind of art is this? Or they had me open a book up to a random page from some random country and be like,

can you summarize this page for me? And it would like read me a summary of the page. Tell me what I was looking at. I can't read. Yeah. Other cool features. It has a camera so it can take photos so you can take a photo. It has a really, really, really low quality preview. But then you can obviously interact with Gemini that way. But probably the coolest feature was the maps integration.

Fully agreed. It was so cool. It had this little, what do you even call that, the little droplet of where you are on Google Maps pin. And it showed a bunch of streets around you and it sort of like faded out into nothingness. And it was fairly high resolution considering, but as you would turn your body, the pin would move too. If that part works, instant, that's a killer feature for me. This is what Google Glass had then.

This is like- Yeah, but Google Glass didn't have the live orientation change as you move your head. Google Glass would show you the arrow of what your next direction is. This one specifically had a feature where you'd be looking at the map and when you look down,

it would show a little map preview and your orientation on the map so you could tell which direction you're supposed to go, which is every time you start directions somewhere, that's the number one thing you have to figure out. Am I facing the right way already or no already? That five second dance solved. Yeah, love that.

Glass is the MapQuest directions we used to print out and this is like Google Maps on your phone. Yeah, it was nice too because when you would talk to it about the room or about your Google Maps location or whatever, it would have little texts that would appear that would kind of come up in real time and it was very responsive

It was a little bit weird only having it in one eye at the beginning because your eyes can have to adjust to that But they eventually get used to it and you're pretty used to it They're very light. I think they were cool. Yeah, there's a theoretical Binocular display version of it and that's the idea of Android XR is it can be on one display or two or the whole Muhon thing or no displays. I think it's useful. I think also the translation thing that they tried on stage, which it was kind of a janky livestream that they tried to do, but similar idea,

which is I'm wearing the glasses, you speak to me in a language I don't understand, and I get a live translation on the glasses. So I'm kind of like still looking at you through the glasses, but also reading what you're saying in front of me. It's kind of another real life cheat code. Right, right.

It's pretty sweet. It does help. Yeah, I think this is sort of an end game that we have all been talking about for a very long time. Whether or not we can get used to everyone that didn't use to wear glasses, suddenly wearing glasses, I don't know. Because a lot of people showed up to this event

with the meta glasses and I was like, everyone looks weird. So I don't know. Because they're all kind of the same exact style. Yeah. And you're like, I know what you're wearing. Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah.

So I think that though, this this live translation demo, as Ellis has mentioned in the past is such a like, obvious, like kumbaya, like, what if all of humanity could talk to each other type thing where like they feel like if they can solve that then they'll have an obvious win. And this is the closest that I've personally seen to actually achieving that. It just seems, cause what they did on stage is actually two different people who don't speak the same language at all. It was one person speaking Hindi,

one person speaking some other language I don't remember. But then they would speak, and both of them would translate to English, which is cool for the viewer, but the idea is these people ordinarily would never speak to each other, but it was enabled through this cool technology because they both had the glasses on. Which, like, we've seen a version of that

amazing tech solution moment a thousand times before, this just happened to be the most convincing one I've seen. Yeah. Have you had that problem? No. I don't think it's a common like everyday problem that they've solved. I think it's a cool easy tech demo that it's easy to get behind. Yeah. Which is why they keep trying. Yeah. One of the most aha moments I ever had about technology was being in Japan for the first time in 2015, 2016, and being able to translate things via Google Translate and have them read it and understand, talk back into it,

and then have it speak out in English. And that was for me, like, oh my god, this opens up so many doors, and then this is much quicker, right? Yeah. So it's been walking around with Google Lens this whole time, which is like, it's useful, but yeah, it's been walking around with Google Lens this whole time. Yeah, it's like it's useful. But yeah, it just gets better

Hey, you know like once we all can just universally understand each other we can get get to work building a really big tower Cuz that worked so well Space elevator. Yeah, so yeah, we don't know anything about pricing We don't know anything about what the final designs are going to look like. These are very much prototypes. They wanted you to make sure that you knew that. They had signs in the mirror that were like,

this is a prototype. Please do not think this is the real thing. And I think they're still experimenting with monocular versus binocular. So. Just to step it back a couple, did you ask about pricing of Muhan at all? Cause when we asked, they were very good at dodging that question

as hard as possible. They wouldn't even like try and say the word like premium or anything. They would just be like, we are not discussing. They told me that Samsung was like a bit touchy about them announcing anything for Samsung. So they didn't want to say anything on Samsung's behalf. I still think they were figuring some things out.

I'm just interested if we've got any closer because it's been five months at this point. I don't think so. I don't think we're any closer to seeing the price for it. No. I think in general. They did say it was launching this year though.

Yeah. I did think that, yeah. They did keep saying that actually. Yeah. I think in general you can kind of think of it as like a tier system. Maybe even similar to what we've been talking about with the iPhone camera, one camera, two camera, three cameras.

It's kind of just zero displays is the cheapest version. Full VR headset is the most expensive version. I don't know about that. And the glasses are in between. Because you're only taking the screen into effect, but the form factor is so much different where the, Muhan has so much more room for internals and stuff. When you have to make a glasses technology that small inside of that,

then that is also a huge price increase. That's fair. I think though they end up throwing a lot more compute and battery and hardware at the VR headset because of all the room, where they're kind of shrinking, obviously it takes a lot to develop, but as far as bill of materials,

the goal I still think is to be able to ship a cheaper incremental version of the glasses up until the most expensive thing, which is a headset. I think, at least that's the vibe I got. We don't know, because we don't know any of the prices of anything. I think they also look at it sort of like, it's more focused on being a platform like Android is,

like the reason that they keep showing off other Android phones at these events is that they want you to know Android has so many different form factors, Android is a lot of things. And AndroidXR, they don't want to be the only ones that are going to build that. They want other people to build it. For sure. Yeah. So it's kind of like how Meta wanted to be the platform for the Metaverse before, but then that didn't work because the Metaverse, nobody cares. So I think everyone's like, ah yeah, XR is the thing. But I'm surprised actually that we haven't seen

Meta doing much since the Quest 3 came out. Like there's been no announcements about XR really. Yeah, they definitely, I mean they showed us the project, what is it called, Orion glasses. I guess that's true. But we don't have anything shipping in that form factor. Yeah, so, yeah, I don't know. We'll see when those come out,

but they did announce those partnerships, so I imagine there will be devices at some point. Speaking of partnerships, Apple had this weird thing that they did at WWDC. Remember when they showed that car play that took over the entire screen of this unknown mystery car and it was like the new car play. Which is like two years ago.

Was it two WWDCs? It might be three years ago. But the idea was- Two sounds about right. They announced it and then we didn't really see any cars actually have that. No, it was 2020. And then do you remember last week,

we decided to take a random shot at Apple? Yeah, and then whoever was in charge of that program went Launch it and then they did and so now Officially they have unveiled carplay ultra is what it's called Which is I guess there's an Aston Martin that they started off with their do Maybe it's just all new Aston Martins are gonna have this compatibility with CarPlay Ultra, which is yes, the normal CarPlay,

which is running off your phone on the main screen in the middle of the car, but also your gauge cluster and your information about the car, your speedometer, tachometer, all of that, will also be taken over by CarPlay. And so it is kind of themed and it looks like Aston Martini, but it's also running from the compute off your iPhone. Other partners will theoretically have their own themes.

But now, yeah, this whole unified CarPlay Ultra experience takes over all of the screens in the car. I see this video and I see like this Aston Martin website and I think it looks neat. I like it. I can't imagine why any car company would want to do this, but they seem to be partnered with Ask Martin on, at least this.

Marques, because 85% of people in the world, or in the US will not buy a car unless it has carbon. Don't you remember that? So, yes. I remember that. This number we totally made up right now. And we definitely only went to Apple on campus and asked them this question.

Yeah, it's also like, okay, these Aston Martins, people aren't, okay, maybe they are. Maybe they're like, I only will buy this Aston Martin if it has car play. Maybe that's a real person. I don't know. But it is, whenever I like test a car that has car play, there are various levels of how. But it is, whenever I test a car that has carplay, there are various levels of how intertwined it is

with the rest of the car. Usually it's in a window on the main screen, sometimes it's a full window. Sometimes if I'm navigating, it will show the navigation on the HUD, which is kinda cool, or a little piece of the screen behind the steering wheel. So sometimes it's a little bit better.

This one just guarantees it's like it fully takes over. It's neat, looks cool. Seems like a better version of CarPlay. I just called it ultra. I just don't see many cars ending up having this. I think it looks awesome. Yeah. Might be because it's in an Aston Martin,

which looks good already. But I think it's really funny how you can like, I know not all CarPlay looks bad, but there's like the Lucid CarPlay that has that weird shaped screen, so it's just like this box with a bunch of edges that you can see. The Mini Cooper review, the Mini Countryman review? That, the Mini Countryman UI system looks like

you're trying to pick a new Android watch face and you're in like the 10th page of terrible watch faces. It's really bad. It's a square inside of the circle. Yeah, that's terrible. It's rough. So it's cool that it can do this. It is, they said you can customize it

and it should take over similar themes to whatever the car manufacturer you are, which is cool. I kind of feel like a lot of people, maybe I don't know ASMR, probably would want a physical cluster. I know of feel like a lot of people, maybe I don't know, SMRs, probably would want a physical cluster. I know people like that a lot. And this is not that by any means. But it looks really cool.

Top Gear did a 18 minute walkthrough video of it, which was good, because Apple of course only shows renders. And that's gonna look beautiful no matter what. There's simultaneously that sort of element where almost every single car manufacturer makes horrible software, and so it makes sense to just let another phone company make the software,

but also, why not just have regular car play? Yeah, I mean a lot of the things that this adds is like climate control, speedometer, how much, if it's an electric car, how much battery you have left, a speedometer, how much, if it's an electric car, how much battery you have left, a lot of things like that. That I think is like arguably one of the biggest things if you can integrate range into your, you know, carplay, or if you're an Android auto or whatever, Google.

I think that's the best feature because we've used cars that have Android or Google built in. And so if I navigate somewhere with Google Maps, which is built into the car, it knows how much battery I'll have when I get there because it's built into the car. Versus if I was just using CarPlay,

it'll just tell me to go somewhere not knowing I don't have enough battery to get there. So the integration makes sense. There's also this layer of every car has different physical buttons in it. And I guess they'll have to sort of tailor this per car because in my car I don't need the HVAC controls because I have dials like physical buttons for that.

So yeah, I don't know. I don't know what it'll look like in every car but this is what it looks like. I don't like the idea of buying a car that makes me stick with one operating system either, especially in Aston Martin. Oh, I mean it's still got its own. Oh, the ecosystem buy-in is crazy. Yeah, like if you want to switch to Android, ugh.

Does it not have Android Auto? I don't know if that, I don't know if this means it doesn't have. I would be willing to bet that they don't want this car to have Android Auto. Yeah. I don't see that anywhere on the website, but I wouldn't be shocked if they didn't have Android Auto.

I mean, that event, because this also says in the article that manufacturers like Hyundai, Kia, and Genesis all committed to applying this in the future. And I feel like that's starting to get to the point where that's a nuisance to those car manufacturers. For sure. To not accept.

To take out a whole, yeah. Most cars at this point have auto and CarPlay. I just assumed this was like the really good version of CarPlay. I just assumed this was like the really good version of CarPlay. Yeah. It would be nice. It's just that when the clusters are all sort of tailored

around Apple's platform running it, it makes it seem like it would be more likely that. No, CarPlay takes over your cluster and replaces the clusters that are on it. It still has its own, I'm assuming here, but the Aston Martin still has its own UI system and will have its own screens for everything. But since it's a screen, CarPlay can take over.

Yes. Okay. CarPlay Ultra, everybody. Ultra. CarPlay Ultra. You really see that word? Ultra Pro Max. Just getting thrown around. Pro Max would have been better. Maybe all of WWDC is just gonna be them talking about that and ignoring Apple intelligence.

Okay, we also, back to Google for a hot sec, we also got the first Android 16 developer beta of which we can actually see and touch and play with Material 3 Expressive. Your boy just installed it this morning. How you feeling about it so far? It looks great. Yeah. And that's really all you feeling about it so far? It looks great. Yeah.

And that's really all that I can say so far. Does it make you feel young and hip? Well, okay, so there's more haptics. And this is something I liked before, because when you feel, remember I told you about that Oppo phone where you clear notifications and it goes krrr, and you feel the haptics of it? Oh yeah.

There are more haptic cues and elements as you move around here, which is nice. Like when I pull the screen, like change the brightness of the song. When you feel it, it feels like a textured haptic when you turn it down. Yeah, like it's less at the bottom and more at the full bright.

There's more stuff like that. I like that slider a lot. I don't like the slider at all. Really? The first thing I noticed in looking at this. I don't like the slider at all. Really? The first thing I noticed in looking at this is I think the sliders look really nice. Yeah, visually. That line looks horrible.

Visually, I'm liking it. Yeah, the line is kind of weird. I think when you theme it in some different colors, white and black might be a really boring version of it, but some of these aqua themes in this article are really nice. So when you're starting to swipe away a notification, they had told us when you're doing this had physics, but it also has haptics now. Yeah. And when you're doing it, you can feel

like a drag. It almost feels like friction. That's good. But even in and even in it, watch the so we're in the notification panel. I'm starting to swipe away a notification, but even the notifications under it like starts to on like snap away from it Yeah, and you can tell are not connected. Yeah, that's really good. It's all moves multi-tasking. Yeah, same thing Yeah, I put that like a 96 on the um expressive meter What about on the cool chart? 87 30 more expressive than before 40 hip Um, yeah, so you like it?

You think it's cool? I mean, yeah, from my 20 minutes so far of just like poking around and seeing the new aesthetic, I like the new aesthetic. I can't tell if I like it because it's just new and fresh and therefore interesting or if it's actually better. So I'm gonna save my judgment to actually using it. But I would expect a main channel video

on this new Android 16 because there is a lot of actually better stuff as well. Yeah. On top of this expressive new aesthetic. I think this looks good. Yeah. All right. I think it's expressive.

TBD, I'm gonna keep using it. Testing a whole bunch of stuff right now, but definitely we'll get a video up on my thoughts on it. Oh, we also didn't announce that dub dub got announced. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. WWDC June 9th, keynote at 1 p.m. Eastern. Be there. Subscribe. It's gonna be online.

Yeah, we're gonna definitely talk about it on the podcast. Did we not know that? I thought we knew that. It just got announced. Yeah, it got announced yesterday. Invites went out. Yeah. It might've already been.

I think it got announced, I think invites went out. Oh, okay. Oh. I'm pretty sure we've all known this for a while. Not breaking news. Yeah, cause it was actually on my calendar already. Yeah, it. Oh. I'm pretty sure we've all known this for a while. Not breaking news, yeah, cause it was actually on my calendar already. Yeah, it's been on our calendar for a long time and not even like special. You can just wipe this whole section again.

No, leave it. It's good seeing us realize how silly we are in real time. Well, I also didn't get an invite, so. Oh, it's okay, me neither, sorry. You know what rhymes with Rivia? The thing that we do before the next break? Trivia. Very nice.

Trivia, dude. I'm gonna give you a point for that. No, I need the point. Hey, we give the points around here, okay? I did like, someone made a suggestion that we always bet on things and we should be able to bet our points. Family heat style?

Just like, anytime during the thing, it's like, if we wanna make a bet to prove how confident you are, you can to bet our points. Family heat style? Just like any time during the thing, it's like if we wanna make a bet to prove how confident you are, you can bet your trivia points. I love that, that's a great idea. We will be making it. The only problem is it's almost always

a like two year later, so you don't know how many points you're gonna have when it comes true or not true. When will the Cybertruck have Apple Intelligence? All right. Hopefully never. Picture like you're like stuck in traffic and like Google Maps is like turn left here and you're like,

mm Grok is this true? Mm. Mm. Mm. Grok fact check please. That needs to be a button. Mm Grok. Mm Grok context.

Is this true? Act. So there was a live demo at Google, oh wait, wait, wait. Were you paying attention? Yeah, another one, man. All right. There was a live demo at Google I.O.

with a guy fixing his bike using Google Gemini Live with Pro Boosts Ultra Max 2.5 or whatever the hell it's called. Flash. But. Flash. What brand of bike was he fixing? Oh, I know this. Really? This is crazy that I know. Really? Markes was paying attention. I don't know the brand of bike was he fixing? Oh, I know this. Really?

This is crazy that I know. Really? Marquez was paying attention. I don't know the brand of bikes. I kinda. They said it. Speedmaster. That's a watch.

Oh. Yannis. That's a basketball player. Keep going. I just wanna say, I didn't look in the comments. Last week, David talked about using Gemini Light to fix his bike chain, and people were very mad at that, which I think plenty of people know how to fix a bike chain,

but I also don't think it's that crazy of a thing to ask. I have no idea how to fix a bike chain. I didn't see anyone. They're just like, get outside. You can fix a bike chain. I think that was the weirdest. I think it was the weirdest thing to get mad at people. It was the most boomer.

Like, I just keep. Yeah, it felt weird. Like, I mean, I fixed a bike chain before, but it's been a long time, and I probably would... You don't make a hardcore biker, like... You should be using AI to like cheat at school and stuff. Moron. Is this one of those things where like,

everyone's mad if you don't know how to change a tire, so if you ask Gemini, it's like embarrassing? Yeah, probably. Like, you're supposed to know how to change a bike chain or something? I guess. Imagine David on the side of the road, like, I really need to fix this bike to get home,

but I can't ask Gemini Live or people will make fun of me. So I guess I just have to sit here. Like, hitting your phone. Well, you never know, new Gemini that stands up for itself might be like, idiot. That's not a bike chain. It's a bike chain, you should know this. That's a lack of intelligence.

Yeah. All right, well, answers will be at the end, like usual, with trivia questions. We'll be right back. Welcome back. We've been talking a lot, so I have three really quick, stupid things to talk about. Hell yeah. The first one, do you guys remember 3D space cadet pinball on Windows XP?

Yes. Do I? It is now on Android. Wait, really? For free, no ads, no microtransactions. I don't know how this developer put it on there without some sort of copyright infringement, but you can now play fully optimized for touch screen,

space cadet pinball. God, I love this. I'm going to install this online. I used to beg my uncle to use his laptop to play this all the time, and then he never got any work done, but I can't wait. Yeah, dude, use this in Solitaire for me. I think this is better than Solitaire and Minesweeper.

It's funny that the things that make us excited now are just the things that we used to have before things got bad. That's funny, yeah. I do talk about nostalgia a lot and how it rarely works on me. Yeah, but I said that out loud and you just said, I need this.

Yeah, it's fair. It's only five megabytes from what I saw. I love this. Everything about this is perfect. I'm in. Until it gets copyrighted, sure. Big fan. All right, the next one, speaking of perfect.

Yes, cool. Have you ever seen a screen protector for an iPhone 16 Pro that's optimized for AI? At this point, so I saw this, and I thought this is either the dumbest thing ever or the smartest thing ever. Let him cook. Because, hear me out,

we ordinarily would not talk about the screen protector, but if you were a screen protector company looking for a way to stand out, you put that little optimized for AI thing on it, knowing full well that it's complete bull. But someone is gonna see that and tweet it, and it's gonna be a funny, mean worthy deal.

And it's just gonna be, we're gonna talk about it. Whoever posted it to the Linus subreddit and then reposted it to the MKBHD subreddit didn't put enough discernible information in here that I could find out who made this. And I literally even with circle to search could not find who made this. And I literally, even with a circle to search, could not find who made this case. So backfired.

So it backfired pretty hard. No, I bet people buy this with seeing the AI thing and know nothing about screen protectors or AI. Counterpoint, the Chinese word for love sounds very close to AI. And maybe they're saying- Optimized for love. Optimize for love. Optimize for love.

Two birds, baby. Which means a completely different thing. I am optimized for love. Yeah. But yet. I'm still alone. I just wanna say, I'm still crushing at Space Cadet right now.

Are you? I still got it, baby. Is it called Space Cadet? I'm installing it right now. All right, well, I'll talk about the last stupid thing. Sure. Because it's my favorite stupid thing of this week. We're really late to this, by the way.

It happened like last week, didn't it? I guess so, yeah. I think. Remember HBO? Do I? And remember how they made a streaming service called HBO Max? Yep.

Which, remember, before that it was HBO Go. Oh yeah. Which got merged with HBO Max. And then spun off into just max because someone there decided hey, we have decades worth of name recognition We should throw that away and spend millions of dollars doing it dude. It was even worse than that They said we want to the reason was like we want to start bringing in more like low quality and reality shows But classes which clashes with the high quality brand recognition of HBO.

That was the problem. Like HBO Max was supposed to be, like HBO, the brand, they were like, this is sacred, and it has to be the high quality stuff that people know HBO for. So Max, we wanna be like Paramount, where we have just freaking everything, and or Netflix. We need to have a service that competes with Netflix

that has like Love Island on it. So that's why they made HBO Max, but then they just changed it to Max because they didn't want it to be associated with HBO, but it also has some HBO stuff on it. Was HBO still just a channel, like a premium channel? There's no streaming service anymore? No, but I mean, once they went from HBO Max to just Max,

where was HBO anymore? So HBO content was still on Max, but they wanted Max. They didn't want the slop that they were trying to put onto Max to be associated with HBO. But now- Don't pat yourself on the back HBO, no one thinks of you like that.

You just ruined name recognition. But anyways, yeah, sorry Ellis, do you wanna, the grand reveal of the new name? No, please, I stole all of your thunder here. It's just HBO maps again. Yeah, baby. So that's the story. I will say their social teams went hard on this.

They were very funny. They were pretty funny, but also just like, don't be a moron in the first place. That's my thing. Yeah, but it's not the social media manager's fault. It is. That's true. Someone could have spoke up.

Guys, we're not, this is not the right take on this, okay? This is not the right take. In a world- There is no right take, this doesn't matter at all. In a world where streaming services are full of TVs and goo-goos. We should be thanking them. They should have renamed this to Hobo.

They should have just added a vowel before the H and the B and they had it. And I don't know about that. But yeah, so maybe don't ruin decades of name recognition and spend millions of dollars doing it. Yeah, after this, I posted HBO go to the polls. And that's good. Can I say thank you just around this back out to the beginning of the episode. That's what the API Pokemon intelligence felt like. That felt like Google's. HBO Hello kids.

Yeah. To do that. I was doing as well. And then like 10 minutes later, have a Google executive be like, we are like constantly checking to make sure like AI and AGI is like safe and not going to kill everyone. I was like, then don't make it play Pokemon. Then don't include that part. There's a direct correlation between those two things.

Between Pokemon and AGI. Is there a pause button in this game? Is there a pause button on a pinball machine? No, Marques. Pause a live game. I don't know how I'm supposed to get back into this podcast. You can't even. Pinball.

Oh, I am crushing down. That's what I'm saying, still got it. Still got it. Well, I guess you're going to have to pause that if you want to participate in trivia. Oh, that's so unfortunate because I have so many points right now. It's my first ball.

Oh, god. He's going to lose them. You know what's funny? I wrote both my answers already, so we're good. Yeah, but then we'll see them. Let's go. Yes, let's go. Adam, what was your score?

Just curious. Oh, I have no idea. I closed it already. Oh man. I had a job to do Marquez Some of us are talking about Macs, which I know nothing about I've fully tuned out all of the HBO Mac stuff. I have no idea. Well actually so that nothing changed anyway Let's do some trivia. Let's do some trivia guys during Google I o I can't believe I'm gonna have to end this game This is all getting better. Guys, during Google I.O. I can't believe I'm gonna have to end this game.

He's faster, Ellis. Guys, remember Hyper Bowl Plus, the best Windows game, Windows XP included game? No? No. Great, all right, so question number one. During I.O., Rajan was talking about baseball and data analytics and how Google AI, one of the Geminis or whatever, Gemma's,

whatever they're doing. Gems. One of the Gems. It wasn't a Gem. I don't remember. I frankly don't particularly care. But one of them was doing some Googling about baseball bats and compiling some stats.

Nice. What kind of baseball bat was he collecting? Was the AI collecting data on? Can I describe it? No. You can describe the name of it. In describing it, you will like, you should arrive at the name.

Like the name is a description of it, so. Mark, are you gonna cover your second answer? I erased it. Yeah. Also you can pause and pinball, you just don to cover your second answer? I erased it. Oh, okay. Yeah. Also, you can pause and pinball. You just don't want the second ball. Yeah.

Well, you have to lose a ball. So that's the first ball, though. Yeah. See, you lost a life. Yeah, I did. How to lose a life. Okay. Interesting.

David, would you like to go first? Okay, I said center-weighted. I'm sorry, David. That is incorrect. That's the description. It is the description, but the name was torpedo bat That is correct. How is torpedo the description of so it looks like it looks like a torpedo Just wait just I put torpedo sorry, yeah. Yeah. All right. So that is one point for Marquez. Can I appeal?

Appeal it's gonna take you. What is your appeal? We'll see you in court in six months. I was right. All right, very good. I'm sorry, David, center-weighted was not the answer we were looking for. Middle out. But I encourage you to play again.

But before we get to our second question, a quick update on the score. Andrew, you are still the caboose of this trivia train with 18 points. Excuse me, is that, no, 13 points. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. It's even more dismal than I thought. Marques.

It's even worse than I thought. It's the most points I think I've had in a regular season. That can't be true. No, maybe that's 20, anyways. Yeah, yeah,'s 20, anyways. Yeah, I know. Marques, 24 points in his Kobe era, but perhaps about to exit his Kobe era if he gets this next question right.

David Trivia Maestro, the Mozart of getting trivia questions right, creating a knowledge symphony with 28 points Wow set the highest regular season No, no, you guys have been in the 30s before. Yeah, you sure you just might have the biggest lead over But now that we've ever seen David's reign of terror ends now. During the live demo when they were fixing the bike, what brand was the bike? Ah, shoot. Told you.

It was. It was. Yeah. Yeah. It was a nice one. Actually, he was not outside. He was inside. True.

How did he get in? You know what I didn't understand about that? He was in like a bike shop kind of situation. Maybe it was his garage. He had like his garage workshop. He had like the thing that you put your bike on upside down, you know, all the tools. Like he seemed like an expert,

but he didn't know anything about his bike. Maybe it was just a workbench. Nah, nah, nah, nah. All right, flip him and read. What do we got? Oh, we all put different ones. Schwinn. Andrew. I put Trek. Marquez. It was a Huffy, right? It was a Huffy. Oh David what you say? Schwinn Andrew up a trek

Marquez was a huffy right? It was a huffy. Don't miss check a bike over that trek is a bike Okay, swing is a book. It's when is a bike. Huffy is easy. I have a truck bike donkey. Well Marquez congratulations on your 25th point David. You are still on track to Schwinn this season of trivia woof and Anyone else have anything to add before we? Set take a home. Adam's like don't add anything. No my guess. Please take me out Great fantastic episode. We talked so much. Thank you all for watching and for listening for subscribing Of course as well because we're again we're gonna match we're gonna be lockstep with the MKBHD channel over here on waveform

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