Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - The iPhone 17 Event!

Episode Date: September 12, 2025

This week, we're coming at you straight from Apple Park! Marques, Andrew, and David sit down to talk about everything new from Apple including the new iPhone 17, 17 Pro, and Air. They also talk about the new AirPods Pro 3 and all of the new Apple Watches as well. It's a fun one! Links: MKBHD - iPhone 17 Impressions Music provided by Epidemic Sound Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Social: Waveform Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Waveform Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en Hosts: Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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At warp.dev slash waitform. There you are, pushing your newborn baby in a stroller through the park. The first time out of the house in weeks. You have your Starbucks, venty, because, you know, sleep deprivation. You meet your best friend. She asks you how it's going. You immediately begin to laugh, then cry, then laugh cry. That's totally normal, right?

She smiles, you hug. There's no one else you'd rather share this with. You know, three and a half hour sleep is more than enough. Starbucks, it's never just coffee. Doesn't a regulator clock regulate time? Oh, yeah, the regulator clock is the thing that the planets check when they're making sure they're like doing their orbits correctly. Are the planet just genlocked?

Damn, that's a good thing. Dude, you got a laugh for back there. I can't tell everything. That's hilarious. Yo, what is good. People of the internet, welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. And we're coming at you live. Not really, but I like saying it. We're coming at you live from Florekina. It's live right now. It's live for us. Yeah. Yeah. From Apple Park. This is, we're recording us on Wednesday like usual. And if you remember what happened this week as you listen on Friday, Tuesday, yesterday for us, was the September Apple event. So that's most of what we have thoughts on. we're going to be talking about this week. You can see that Adam and Ellis are over here

at a really tall professional-looking desk. No, we're just standing. I don't know how I feel about both of you having microphones, but it is a new look. It is weird. People are going to be happy. My favorite thing is that I am now like two feet above both of all of you. So I just stare down at all of you guys.

Yeah, you're kind of staring us down up there. But yeah, we do, we have a lot of stuff to go through. You may have already watched the impressions videos and the things we've posted about the various iPhone 17s, AirPods, watches, now we can get into

the weeds on thoughts and conspiracy theories and reactions and things that we all have experienced with this new stuff. Where do we begin? All right, I think we should begin.

The first thing I want to ask is, so some of you guys were at the event, some of us watched the live stream. Right. I heard there were three good mornings to start this off. So this is a little thing.

Some people may know or may not know that when you watch the keynote online, you see the pre-recorded video when you go to an apple event specifically like the September event like we were at or WWDC they play that video for all of us but if it's a nine o'clock event right at about 859 usually Tim Cook and Apple executive comes on stage and goes hey welcome to the event and like warms up the crowd and then they play for like 15 seconds so what happened was Tim Cook yeah came out you know a minute before the start time he

hit us with a triple good morning good morning and was you know this is very big day for the iPhone things like that triple tap and then they played the video for us so yeah we got a triple the triple good morning sounds like a great way to start the morning you put that in the slack and I was very upset because I was waiting for the good mornings and we didn't see it in the stream yeah only the yeah theater got the triple we got some recordings yeah yeah I also want to start off before we get into any the products the opening scene of this event I think was one of my favorite in a few years Apple loves transitions, they love opening scenes, they love montages. This is like a really simple product-focused one that started with like a bunch of different

circular pieces of products or UI elements that then went into squircles like the Mac Studio and then went into hearts and all these different things. I think that my favorite transition was a like robot shot down into a MagSafe charger, which opened and then the pins turned into the typing indicator of like iMessage. And then I think that turned into dynamic. island with like AirPods connecting. Usually in the past, it's like all these different setups of people using Apple products and it's whatever.

But I thought this one was like product focused and really cool way of seeing all their different, you know, things that happen in software and products together and these awesome match cuts. Yeah, it was a nice design homage. It was a really good design homage. Yeah. Well, then they basically got right into it with the products after that. Yeah.

So many products. There's a bunch of different orders we could do this. You want to do like the small ones first? and then the phone's after? I think so. But I wouldn't even say that they're necessarily small. Okay. Because the AirPods Pro 3, I did get to try at the event.

All right, let's start there. They are smaller than the iPhone. Amazing. They are smaller than the iPhone. They are. They're not as thin as the iPhone Air, which we'll get into it later. Yeah, let's start with AirPods Pro 3. Yeah.

So, obviously, we had AirPods Pro 2 for a very long period of time, and they finally introduced the 3, which I don't think anyone was really expecting, maybe a smaller case. I thought you were expecting them. Well, we were expecting like a slightly smaller case for AirPods. We didn't know whether or not they were actually

going to be redesigned in any given way, but they are actually quite redesigned. I mean, they look mostly the same, but the shape of the bulb is actually quite different.

And the way that it fits in your ear is also different. And, you know, every single year that they go through this whole thing where they say, we measured and scanned 10,000 people's ears.

And I'm like, damn, every year people's ears are changing size, apparently. But one of the biggest things probably is that they now have this, like, they have a new eartip that's a hybrid foam design. Yeah. So it has foam on the inside, but it still uses the silicone on the outside, which is kind of interesting. And obviously that should be helping with sound isolation.

They quote 2x better ANC over AirPods Pro 2. That's a lot. It is a lot. Because AirPods Pro 2 have quite good ANC, I would say. Yeah. For earbuds? I don't know. I think they're pretty good.

I've been using the bows a lot, and they're just, like, not really considerable. Sure, sure. Yeah, but also, I believe in Ellis can kind of, like, fact-check this, but I believe that sound is, like, logarithmic, right? So, like, a 2x increase in ANC wouldn't that just be, like, 3 dB? Oh, man, here goes that. Our time is ticking right now. It's like, you know.

It's like perceived loudness. They could have meant, like, so, oh, man. You been great, sweetie. I'm sorry. If they meant two times the frequency bandwidth, you know, A&C is really hard to do on high frequencies. So maybe they meant that you can go twice as high, and there's plenty of ways that could work. But, yeah, like sound like the way you measure all energy is on a logarithmic scale. So if they meant two times as much volume of noise canceling, that would be 3DB, which, yeah.

It's something. It's something. It's something that probably like 50% of people would be able to notice. But I don't know if that's what they meant. Well, they said that they had, like, also increased AI algorithms to, like, you know, know the noise around you and try to cancel that out. And I had my AirPods Pro 2 with me, and they had demo units of the AirPods Pro 3. It was actually very funny. They walked around with this little case that kind of looked like chocolates.

Like hors d'oeuv. Did you take one? Yeah, I took one. Well, they do that, though, so they can clean the eartips, right? Yeah, yeah. They swap out the tips. But it is funny to think about, like, passing hors d'oeuvres. Yeah.

I had my AirPods Pro 2 with me, and so I was able to do, like, a direct, comparison between mine and the three. Yeah. And the three, I would say the biggest thing was that it was able to actually see, like, hear the noise around it and cancel it out much more evenly. Because I put mine in and the ANC was like fighting trying to understand the noise around me because there's all these voices and it was so loud and I was playing music and it just couldn't, it couldn't cancel everything out clearly.

Whereas you put the three in and they've got the different design bulbs. So they sit differently in your ear and they're tighter in your ear. but everything just kind of goes like and it was surprisingly good it seems like that's going to be the well we can get into the other features but the most noticeable thing the better cancellation plus the better

tips should help them fitting your ear better plus the angle that they go into your ear is a little bit different it's a more into your canal yeah combined should help them sound better especially with A and C on there's a couple other things too yeah IP 57 for the first time

I kind of actually thought they already had an IP rating but IP 57 for the first time in AirPods Pro 3, and the case is also sweat resistance. So if you sweat a lot, rest assured. And then also, a heart rate sensor. Yeah. So we just saw this in the Powerbeats Pro. And this is slightly different because the sensor is smaller and the buds themselves are

smaller, but same idea, which is if you don't have something else measuring your heart rate and you want to do a workout and measure your heart rate, the earbuds will be your heart rate monitor, which I don't know how accurate that is, but it seems like if you have both a watch and the headphones, it will. pick whichever one is most accurate at that time. It doesn't tell you which one you're using, but... I believe it uses like both together and then sort of takes like in that... Probably some algorithmic magic, yeah. I also... My kind of theory, and Apple's not doing a ring, so it doesn't fit with just Apple, but I feel like more heart rate sensors in other places

are so people can start wearing normal watches again. There's, I think there's a lot of watch fans out there, like Adam over there, who want to wear the like watch collection, but still want to be able to track certain... Yeah, just give me like a... thing in a trail loop. I mean, now if you're running in your headphones, you can still get all your right information and wear your normal watch. Yeah, but if it's anything like, I think it was the beats that did this, wasn't it, that had the heart rate sensor in it.

People were testing it between the headphones and the watch, and it's like, I'd rather use the watch. It's not like the beats were like terrible or anything. It's just the watch was more accurate. Yeah. Do we know if it's more accurate? Well, people were wearing like chest straps and multiple watches and running and using the chest strap is the default and then comparing all of them.

them. This is the thing, and this is me not really knowing that much about it, but I feel like the watch has so many generations to improve and get more accurate and calibrate, even though the back of the wrist isn't the best place to measure your heart rate, they've gotten it pretty good over the years, and I suspect that this will also get better over the years, but as of right now, it's just like, you either have it or you don't, so it's nice to have it. Yeah. They have these two little windows on the AirPods now that basically shine infrared light like into your like ear area yep and it measures 256 times a second to measure light absorption in your blood flow i think they've had those forever because the the skin detection has been

optical sense i want to say the first pros but was it was it not them that we were testing like what objects inside the office would trick it as skin and the like the there were almost no objects in our studio that it we could fool it with skin like even like leather or like other organic materials. There was like a handful of like silicone-y sort of things that we could fool it into thinking was skin. But other than that, the optical stuff is pretty good. Yeah. They also have increased battery life now. So eight hours of ANC versus the previous six, they made a big deal about saying you can now do a transatlantic flight. Yeah. So you can fly from New York to California and not have your AirPods tie. Nope. Wait, that's not transatlantic. New York to. It sounds like a lot

Apple employees do the New York for London flight and they just want it to be able to get there. Isn't that like five and a half hours? It's probably a little longer than trans-American flight. Oh, you're right. Trans-Atlantic, transcontinental. Yeah. So that's nice.

I mean, now eight hours can do New York to San Francisco. And back. What? What? No. I wish. I wish we got back in two hours tonight. I mean, if you wait while you're taking off.

We don't understand planes on this podcast. How do planes stay up? It's a poor amount. We've established this. On top of that, it's also 10 hours on a single charge with transparency mode, which is four more than previously. So if you want to listen to everyone on a flight across twice, then you can do that. Absolutely not.

Yeah. The price stays the same. So overall looks like a pretty solid update. There's also a new live translation feature. It is not an AirPods 3 exclusive. It is an H2 dependent. But they are claiming to be able to do live translation with powered by Apple intelligence. He's looking directly at me.

He's looking dead into my soul right now. Just curious if anyone has any thoughts about that. I'll believe it when I see it. Okay. It was a really quick demo. It felt sandwiched between like an IP rating and a silicon tip announcement, which felt really quick. As cringy as Google's event was with the Jimmy Fallon experience, blah, blah, whatever, them doing that live translation demo, like for an audience that was there,

was much more technically challenging than Apple just showing us a video of it working because how many times have we seen a demo of an Apple intelligence feature? Still looking dead into my eyes. No, no, no, no. This is, I'm talking about like Apple. Yeah.

Doing a video about an Apple intelligence feature and showing it to us and being like, see, trust us, it'll work. Yeah. Versus a live demo. Also, the video of it working, Apple really still has not gotten that natural voice down

on the, like, Siri and the translation stuff. Like, Google has this very sort of natural tone and, like, cadence to the translation features, but when it showed it on the video, the Apple video, it sounded very robotic. Like Robo Siri. Yeah. And it takes a while. I don't know how they're measuring live because, you know, you finish your sentence,

it's like, beat, beat, beat, beat, and then it starts talking. And I know that's just waiting for you to finish talking, but if you're having a conversation like that, it's pretty slow-paced. Yeah. Well, we will definitely try it. This is a first-gen. Lots of these live translation things are first-gen. We want to see if they work, but it does feel a little bit magical when they do work.

I need a babblefish directly. in my ears so that everything just comes out in English. Well, new watch. Watches as well. Watch Series 11, watch, SE3, and Ultra3. These are probably the least changed products of the entire... They're definitely the least change. The lineup.

The watches never changed that much. I mean, last year we got a thinner watch with the Series 10. The 10, like, looked noticeably different than all the other ones in a cool way. Sure. Yeah, it was much thinner and all that. But like series 11, it's introducing features that are also coming to the older watches, so it's not that different. The main things on the series 11 are they made the glass, 2x as scratch resistant, just like they do for all the glass every single year. They added 5G connectivity if you want that for some reason. It's slightly more efficient than the 4G. Yeah. Probably the biggest upgrade, honestly, is that the battery life is now quoted at 24 hours instead of 18. yeah so that's you know it can last you a full even more all day even more all day exactly all day about all your life yeah um same price 399 you know now now that I'm thinking about it every single product that we're talking about today got a bump up in battery life

except for the one that's new which is the air well you can't bump up something that's new right I'm just saying everything else got better battery and then they were like also here's the air yeah look at that Markis is trying to just skip all of our notes. No, we'll get there. But I am, like, happy to see good battery stuff. Yeah, that's... Yeah, so that's most of the stuff in the series 11.

Next thing, Ultra 3. You now get the wide angle OLED that you got in the series 10 on the Ultra 3. You now get satellite connectivity if you're, you know, out in the Alps and you break your leg. Bigger display. Yeah, okay, so they said this. This was confusing. Smaller bezzels. Yeah.

But the thing is, with the series 10, they had smaller bezels that made a bigger display, but they quoted the display as being physically larger. But I looked at all the specs, and the display is quoted as being the same size. It's probably not more than a tenth of an inch bigger. It's probably technically slightly larger, but not enough for them to write a different number. But they will still say it's bigger. Yeah, they'll say it's bigger for the keynote, but let's be real, the Ultra 3 is very similar. It actually also has a slight battery bump from a slightly larger,

physical capacity battery inside, which again, thumbs up to that. They're rating it 42 hours, very nice, and same price and everything. But yeah, otherwise, basically the same thing. Yeah. Yeah, so. SE3 is actually probably the biggest watch update. Wait, sorry, can I go back on one thing? Is this difference in satellite connectivity this year that it was only emergency SSOS before?

And now it's adding things like, like, message and find my and stuff like that. That's cool. I think that is a pretty sweet. I actually have a satellite eye message story. From someone we met yesterday? No, from my own, get this, I have a life. It's sick. It goes to a different school. It's like seeing your teacher at the grocery store.

Someone very special to me was doing some hiking in sort of like the Kings. Yeah. What they were doing, not out of, was doing Kings Canyon, hiking Kings Canyon a few weeks ago and wait, you know, no service anywhere out there in the back country. And it was very, very nice to get like a once a day just like, hey, still alive. this is what we did today blah blah and it was also kind of fun that this is going to sound crazy to have a character limit in your texts again like you wanted to like max it out but because my phone

belongs in a retirement home um after she got back to uh civilization and had service again my phone would not believe that she was still not on satellite connectivity and so every time i tried to send a text in just like normal life, I had the four or five hundred character limit and it wouldn't let me send pictures. And this is like for a week. And the funniest part was every time I would send a text,

it would be like, just you know, this is a satellite text. Like it's going to go through that whole thing. It would try it. The satellite would fail and then it would just send as a... But if I tried to send a picture,

it'd be like, yeah, they're on satellite. Like, nothing you can do, bro. While we're on the topic of your phone, what's your battery life right now? Price is right. Also, the new satellite connectivity, you can do location also, right? right, yes, on the watch, which was not available previously.

Yeah. Guys, my phone has, this is so, my phone has been unplugged for approximately three hours. What is my battery life? 45. 45. 47. 47. 48. 48. Damn, got to give me a little more credit than that, guys. I think I was going to say 55, but it's 54. Even over prices, right?

No, I would have lost. See, that's why I did 48. Nice. Yeah, you actually did win. Yeah. Yeah. The SOS thing is free for the first two years. For the first two years, they also extended the emergency SOS from the original Ultra for another year for people. Oh, nice. The satellite emergency. Do they have pricing on what that's going to be? No.

No. No. And I think there's some Apple person like kicking that can down the road every time it comes up to the end of the year. They're like, I don't like the way the headlines look with me like deciding saving your life is worth $29 a month or something. So just another year. On the note of saving your life. Oh, man. This montage at the beginning of the Apple Watch segment

was the most you're going to die if you don't have an Apple Watch that Apple's ever done. I believe they used the phrase Guardian Angel at some point. Did they not? I don't know. I think I was watching the keynote.

I was like, they do this every year. They're like, if you have the watch, you won't die. If you don't have the watch, you'll die. And they get a little bit more sappy every year. Oh, I fell. I was in a car crash or whatever. This one was just straight up like, I had a stroke

and here's the footage and like all these like really dramatic stories which are very compelling and they make people get the watches and they do save lives and one of these features

with hypertension it will save more lives but this video was they were the most but it is it is a nice departure in because I don't know if you guys remember

the cinematic for the first watch ultra like a few years ago where the the message wasn't this will save your life It was like, you will die, your bones will be dust, your flesh will be incinerated, and your watch ultra will outlive you.

What was the one where there was like a bear? The bear, I was just going to bring that up there. No, it's so funny because for all of these, all of these things, they reenact the situation. And the bear one was the funniest one where, like, a bear broke into a woman's home and she has to, like, hide in the other room and they, like, reenact with the whole thing. Like Jurassic Park. This one was so weird because they had, like, the guy had a stroke. he was like doing jumping jacks or something they just falls on the ground jump jump and rope

hey hey come mad i think that was security angel by the way that was the guardian angel no i do not see guardian angel they didn't say that no i don't okay i'm imagining it yeah maybe they said something like that it was accepted into your brain i remember pausing at a certain phrase that they used and being like wow they're all in on this they use the sad music for hardcore hardcore yeah okay but s e3 um probably the biggest update to the apple watch um the lineup this year yeah because they basically made it almost as good as the series 11 there's a chart that shows the differences between it in the series 11 and it's not a lot of stuff it's like the slightly older design but you still get always on display it's still an oled it's still it does the gesture response now it has 5g it has a new

system on a chip i think it's the s 9 it's the s 10 10 now yeah it's the same chip as a series 11 24 hours of battery as well so functionally it's going to feel like at all of the basics are there and unless you want the like bleeding edge brand new design this is probably the one to get yeah and it's cheap yeah it doesn't get quite as bright but it has the stronger glass it has fast charging now it has like the double tap and wrist flicks gestures and you can play media from speakers now great yeah who wants that I love hearing that when I'm on a nice quiet hike and someone passes now when you're on a run and your music goes you is your arm swing yeah yeah this is I think it's still 249 right yeah 249 it's good so we

weren't correct in that it's plastic because it's not plastic they're just using the old aluminum design but sure yeah I think that's gonna be big for a lot of people like the slightly less thin yeah yeah you don't get quite as thin yeah yeah there's one thing we missed on all of these sleep score oh my gosh yeah right so there are two new features that are not specific to the new watches, but that are new. One of them is hypertension detection. Possible hypertension. It's just looking at your heart information, collecting data in a new way that may be able to alert you if you have signs consistent with hypertension, which is a very

popular thing to have. I don't know if that's how I would describe. I love hypertension. High blood pressure is really in right now. You're not wrong. You're not wrong. It's what my doctor said too. But the other thing You're so, so vogue. But the other thing is a sleep score. Yeah, it's fine. It never gave you a sleep score.

It would tell you all about your sleep, but never just gave you a sleep score. Now they're going to give you a number one through 100, and they'll break it down in like duration, consistency, and one other factor, and you can get a nice brief overview of like, how did I sleep? Oh, 94. Okay, nice.

Like, that was a good night. And that's new to the Apple Watch. I just thought of that. They should add that to the rings and competitions so we could be. Sleep better? Because, like, well, because all of us make the competition so toxic that I know we're all destroying our sleep also. If it kept sleep better than now.

If it had the slept as a ring, then maybe we would all be a little healthy. A ring is probably, it would probably be better than the freaking standing ring. The standing ring is the most annoying ring. It's annoying, but you should stand up. The activity ring, to be clear, is to encourage you while you're awake to have some sort of activity, like standing and moving around. When you sleep. Sleep ring. You just want the best factors for your sleep, the most consistent going to sleep time,

and maybe some sort of sleep hygiene, bedtime, routine type things, so you get better sleep. Yeah. And this may help you think about that more. Yeah. I think it should be based on time slept so I can double the ring. You have a... I have a daughter. That's not working.

Yeah, good luck with that. I've been sleeping on her floor lately. I don't have a terrible sleep. Apple is definitely seeing all of the really, the high popularity of all these smart rings and different wearables that people have been getting into recently. like or a ring there's a whole ecosystem developing on smart rings right now yeah um and that was also a reaction to people not wanting to have to wear smart watches but i think apple is like well we don't want you to have to you know wear a ring you could just wear the watch you could just wear the watch uh yeah i would really like to not wear a smart watch all the time

oh join us join us what i do wait you want to wear a but i do you don't have to no i do i mean i'm i would like to close my rings every day measure all my activity and know everything about my own health and get a sleep score but not have to wear this a whoop on a trail you can just always wear AirPods how about whoop is basically this I'm it's smaller but it's the same but it's no display so I would like to I mean like a ring or something even smaller where I'm not like this thing is is this the birth of Roli Marquez yeah Roli not quite I mean I'm still gonna wear it like I still I've worn the thing like every day but that I do think about that

sometimes AP Marquez you know the move is just to like if you feel bad do things that make you feel good and then not worry about that kind of stuff yeah is that an a fortune cookie i just saying it is validing sometimes though to get up and feel like garbage and then look at your sleep score and be like i knew it i will i will say no but it's the opposite sorry yeah no the gamification of like the eight sleep sleep sleep score thing is actually quite fun it's fun but it can work the opposite way i found with like garmin body battery sometimes I was like, I think I slept great. And it's like 37% to start the day.

I was like, no, now I, now I, now I, now I, now I feel bad. Oh, I feel bad. I would want to be over the computer. That's like the worst possible version. I would want it where like, I get up and I'm like, I think I don't feel that great. And then I see a 95 and I'm like, oh, I'm good. I need one that just placebos me every day. Yeah, just tell me I got a 95.

That's all I need. Yeah. All right. Well, we should take a quick break. We got way more phones and stuff to talk about because those are the sort of main event. But of course, this is a waveform podcast. So you already know what happens now. Trivia.

Were you paying attention? That's right. Uh-oh. We're back. You can take the boys out of New Jersey, but they'll always bring trivia. That's sort of worked. I just want to say, Adam, if I ever read a fortune cookie that began with like, oh, no, the move is, I would love that fortune cookie so much. But the move is trivia.

Eat more fortune cookies. Yeah. Big fortune cookie. I'll just send you a text every day that has a little fortune on it. Ellis. I kind of like that, actually. The move is, today you need to feel better about yourself.

Scheduled them like weeks in advance. Okay, guys, were you paying attention? Apple, the place we're at right now, made lots of important updates to many of their products this year. But none were more seismic, earth-shattering than what they did to the trail loop. What did they add to the trail loop? I actually remember.

On the Ultra 3. I will say that were you paying attention is usually the hardest for me at a where I am both taking notes and writing my video outline and live tweeting and taking pictures at the same time. Sounds like a skill issue. So I just want to say I'm very proud of myself for actually knowing this one. I think you saying that out loud, like nine YC companies just got founded to have an AI companion that does that for you. Well, then it would be everywhere and no one would watch mine. But yes, okay.

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Post your job for free at LinkedIn.com slash MKBHD. That's LinkedIn.com slash MKBHD to post your job for free. Terms and conditions apply. All right, welcome back. Let's talk new iPhones. We get this feeling once, year where they give us all the information we get to try it for a few hours we get to

digest our thoughts real quick and just sort of dive in and talk about it and then of course the reviews and stuff will be later but how we feel in iPhone 17 iPhone 17 pro iPhone 17 air no iPhone air iPhone air good point whoa not yeah not that was a interesting they didn't number it yeah is it going to be air two next year or I've heard we're going to do it again Okay, before we, we'll save air for later, but I do think that there are some theories about the air not being refreshed every year because they didn't give it a number. But I think let's start, let's just start with the base iPhone and work away up, something like that. So, iPhone 17, all this lineup is the same prices, and we'll talk about that stuff as well. But iPhone 17 is the same base price, the same general design, and is maybe the best.

I think I've seen a lot of reviews in the past saying, oh, the base iPhone is the one you should buy. And that felt kind of like a cop-out take to me because it's the cheapest one, obviously. But now that they've added ProMotion, and now that it's base 256 gigs. That was the best thing about this. Yeah, the base storage increases.

I actually feel like I can say that. I think it's awesome. And it makes me so mad at Google that all their base stuff was 128 that I just bought the pixel for. Yeah, I was furious about it. And when I saw them just like base everything here to 256, I was yeah very upset is this the first non-pro Apple device to get a pro moniker feature I thought about that for a long time before I said in the video I couldn't think of any other example I think it is pro motion I really thought that if they were going to bring a version of promotion they were going to name it something different and do like 10 to 120 hertz or 60 to 120 dynamic I thought that's what it was going to be because they first showed that it goes down to 10 and it took them a second to show that it goes all the way down to one I'm like always on display right so I was like yeah

David was right on that and then I went I was like no this and then you were like in Slackum this is just normal promotion right there's no differences and I don't think that's confirmed yeah as far as we can tell based on everything I said in the keynote it seems like all of the benefits of promotion that were on the pro phones are now on the base iPhone I we could talk for ages about whether regular people notice or not and over the years of people defending 60 Hertz iPhones whatever what will everyone argue about but I me personally I can hand every other phone I test all year round is higher fresh rate and the only 60 hertz phone every year is the iPhone and every year I'm like gosh this feels just worse and I can

finally daily and be happy with a smooth experience on a base iPhone because of promotion so I'm very happy about promotion on the base iPhone maybe I'm overblowing it but that's me yeah so that's cool it's also a brighter display I think it's 3,000 nits peak brightness and should generally be more viewable outdoors which is always welcome we love seeing huge nits numbers and then And it's a new A-19 chip. So six-score CPU, I think it's also a six-score GPU, even though it's less power in those cores in the pro-chip. But yeah, A-19 chip, roughly 20% better performance is what they're showing us graphs of

on stage. I'm not expecting anything dramatic or crazy, but you like to see, obviously, the new chip. And then slightly faster charging as well. So in general, you know, they didn't talk about the other stuff that they always put in the phones like camera control and the action button and yeah you know the ultra wide macros and all other fun stuff but it's all there like this is the most complete base iPhone uh obviously ever yeah the possibly biggest change that they that actually got an audience reaction in the crowd that also comes to the other phones so we could talk about an hour later we should do it might as well talk about

now yeah is center stage on the front camera the new selfie cameras I was just I'm with Adam and I both went and Ellis was like oh wide angle on selfie camera that automatically detects and Adam I were like pixels had this forever but then they described it more

how it works and I was like never mind this is way better it's way cool like the more I thought about it the more I was shooting A role with Marquez last night and thinking about how like it's square and you can do

I think being able to go landscape while you're still holding it portrait is so much easier as a selfie and like Marquez said everyone knows where the camera is at that point When you hold it horizontal, everyone's looking in different directions. Well, as they mentioned, it's better for eye gaze. Exactly.

Because when you're looking at the screen, when the camera's over here, your eyes look weird in the resulting image. Yeah. But if you look directly at the screen and the camera is aligned on the horizontal axis with your eyes, then it looks way more normal. This was the perfect example of like Apple does something later, but thinks about it harder and adds all the like really good features about it and like nails it as a when I saw this, immediately I thought everyone should copy this.

Yeah. Every phone should copy this. This is great. Basically, the concept is it's a larger square sensor. And when you take a regular portrait selfie or a vertical selfie, it uses a vertical 18 megapixel crop of that square sensor. Automatically or manually, but if it detects that there's a bunch of people in the frame and you need to take a wide selfie where you normally turn it sideways, it automatically will switch to a horizontal 18 megapixel crop for a normal sideways selfie. And that's great. It worked like magic.

You could hit the button if you wanted to or it would see the number of people in the frame and make a wider selfie for you. Everyone should copy this. I don't see why not. Like, it seems very smooth and intuitive. Yeah, every couple of years, there's just one little, like,

quality of life improvement that is very small, but actually changes the way that people use their phone a lot. And I feel like, this is one of those moments. 50 billion, 500 billion people, they say?

500 billion selfies. I was going to use that as a trivia question. Thank God I didn't. Don't I get a point now? Well, he would have been wrong. Never mind. 500 billion selfies were taken. Have there even been?

He said 500 billion people. Which I think is more people than have ever lived. Yeah. Either way. By a lot. People take lots of selfies on the iPhone. Well, this got by far the most applause in the entire keynote, which was kind of surprising, but also, honestly, I think it's like one of the coolest features of any of the new phones.

It got no applause, really, in our hotel room. Really? I was geeking out about it. Well, and then we shot you down. micro four thirds camera sensor it's sick as hell here's what i what i will say i take a lot of selfies not necessarily as myself taking the selfies but i'm involved in a lot of selfies because you have i was talking about this you and me long arms we're always the selfie no it's because he has 20 million subscribers on youtube no that's true i get asked to take the selfie a lot but what i do have is the unique

opportunity to observe lots and lots of reps of how people take selfies. Hey, can I take a picture with you? Sure. They take out the phone. They either, you know, some people have the swipe to open the cameras. Some people have like the long press on the corner icon, whatever. I get to see that behavior. Then I see how many people immediately go sideways or how many people go vertical and like frame like from the chest up and like have the two heads in the frame or like try to go wider to get like a little angle or ask me to take it because my arms are longer. Like all of this behavior. I see so many reps of people taking selfies. And I saw this and I saw the crowd reaction and this new feature and i'm just like people are going to love this this is easily

the most intuitive like quality of life as you said david like this is a great feature in general for this phone yeah yeah overrated maybe but i think yeah as far as people go yeah people take a lot of selfie better than camera control yeah we should talk about camera control for a second because i tweeted this and we talked about this yesterday they didn't talk about that at all literally at all they didn't say it by name yeah and in a lot of the photo demos they just didn't even use the button. They have like in all of the videos and stuff, they just like they would open the camera with like the camera icon and then they would have their hand and they would be tapping the screen. Yeah. The camera control is right above their thumb. But that's not how people use it.

I know that. I know that. Last year it was like or when they introduced, yeah, last year they were just like everything was like you swiping on the camera control icon. Yeah, very deliberately. And it made me think like obviously there's more functions behind it. There's the visual intelligence and other stuff like that. But I also got like at the back of my head, I got this feeling about like 3D touch when Apple just kind of stopped talking about 3D touch and then suddenly it just kind of disappeared. I got that same feeling. It's only been two years.

Like it might still exist for a little bit. But I don't know if we feel like that about camera control. Do you guys use camera control? I use it to open the camera app. Yeah. Like it is a faster way because you don't have to like tap on your screen or hold it up to your face to like light it up and then long press the camera button on the front.

Yeah. So it is a faster way to do that. I don't use any of the other features of it. I have a stupid question. Yeah. Do iPhones not have double-tap to open camera? They do not. You can do the action button, though.

Oh, okay. You can set it's the action button. That's because when you were saying how everyone opens their camera, I always open double-tap. Double-tap, yeah. Speaking of the action, so I was thinking about this yesterday, I was like, well, on the iPhone 15, they added the action button. In the iPhone 16, they added camera control.

They slowly added, like, a lot of things around the edge of the phone. I love it. It's going to be a stream deck soon. I love it. I mean, it feels like once they make that foldable iPhone, or like any of the, they're going to eventually have to start getting rid of some of these features. Well, they put camera control on the air, right?

Yeah. Yeah, that feels like a lot of work to get that to fit on the air for them to not care about it that much, though. Yeah. So they obviously still. It is surprising to me that they put it on the air. I'm surprised by that. I think it's one of those things that is two years in development.

Like when we saw the 12 mini, we always, Apple probably always knew there was going to be a 13 mini, even as they saw 12 mini sales bombing. Greatest phone I ever made. And I think when they went all in with camera control, they probably were already planning the next generations of phones to also have camera control and decided not to remove it. But, yeah, it was just not in the presentation at all, which was interesting.

It was strange. You know what else wasn't in the presentation? What? Siri. Yeah. I looked up in the transcript. They didn't say it once. Apple intelligence in general.

It was on the screen at one point. Yeah. Is it dub dug next year, I guess, that we're eventually getting this? Here's what I will say, because I can almost like kind of picture what Apple employees would say to me after hearing this, which is a lot of stuff gets cut from the keynote, right? It's a 90 minute presentation or whatever. Not

everything can make it in. And in the past, I and some of us have complained about them rehashing things that have already existed, when they re-present the same feature as if it's brand new. So maybe I'm happy that they didn't re-present Apple Intelligence or Siri or

camera control as if we need to hear it again. Yeah. But it did feel un-appelike for them to not talk about it. Well, maybe they should have cut Apple Intelligence from the WWDC 2024 keynote and never introduced it in the first one. I don't know how we got all the way back to it, but the stabilization on the front facing video looked really good. The demo of it where he was running the sunlight, I think, just made the shot look not

great in general. Yeah. But it was really impressive how stable that was. And iPhone stabilization seems really good. That's the interesting thing about that front facing square camera is they're never using the square aspect ratio. They're always using the extra pixels around this part of the sensor they're actually utilizing for different things. So they change the aspect ratio to add more people into the

frame so they make it rectangular. And then the stabilization, they're just cropping into the center and then using that data from the rest of the sensor as like stabilization pixels. Yeah. So yeah, there's a lot of stuff that can do. It looks really good. I will say when I watch that demo, that's a really good point because it's all that digital stabilization. But when I watched that demo, I had so many red flags go off on my head about how they could have faked that shot of like had the phone stabilized otherwise and had the actor just hold it like he's pretending. Oh, yeah.

So I want to test that for myself. That's a specific thing where I watched a demo and I was like, I want to test that for myself. I think it'll be pretty good. I think it'll be, the first video you and I ever made before I worked for you was Mac with a GoPro and you shot a bunch of it on an iPhone

and you kept going, the stabilization on this is great. And that was like iPhone. Totally. Seven or something like that. But those are the back sensors which include optical stabilization. And I'm curious if they can do that good of a job. It was also eight years ago.

Yeah. Yeah. Action mode does the same thing. Like action mode, which they introduced like two or three years ago, I think it was three years ago, iPhone 14 or some, some like that. That also like crops into the sensor. Pretty dramatically. Yeah, pretty dramatically. It's much less sharp, but the stabilization is very, very good.

Last thing on this one, they also added a 48 megapixel ultra-wide camera, which means the entire lineup of iPhones all have all ultra-wide cameras on the back. There is not a single lens on the back of any of the iPhones anymore that is not 48 megapixels. nice, which is nice because it allows them to do all this different sort of crop-end stuff. They're all fusion cameras or all that stuff. And also when nothing tries to fake comparison videos, they can't use the 12 megapixel ultra-wide and say that there's better than lie to everyone. Yeah, it also has ceramic shield two now, which we were talking about this morning over breakfast. The last time they called it ceramic, the new ceramic shield.

Next generation. I was talking to Brad from Mobile Surrup, and he was saying that like, He specifically asked someone that they thought the reason for naming it ceramic shield to this time was because it was a big enough upgrade, even though they have upgraded it in the past. 2X better. Yeah. Always 2X better. Also, the colors are incredible, specifically the sage.

I'm a sage fan. Incredible is a strong word. Have you seen the green? Yeah, but it's not sage. I have. Yeah. I've seen some other videos now where that did look more sage, but I feel it's darker in real life than it does on. Yeah.

Yeah, when we saw it on the, I don't know what was going on. It felt very bright, but I've seen some clips now of people shooting video, and it does look, it looks like sage on a phone. It is definitely a darker than all the website. One of my friends messaged me yesterday and was like, your boots are on the ground. Do you think the iPhone 17 is the, should I get that over the 16? Is that the move? Because it's the move. Ellis, the move is.

Fortune cookie says. Portion cookie says. Well, what's the answer, David? Well, what he generally does is usually when a new tech product comes out, he buys the last year's generation for, like, much cheaper. But the thing is, Apple is selling the iPhone 16 for only $100 less than this, and that's at a lower base storage. Yeah. Right? So, like, it's almost like they're the same price.

Yeah. If you account for the storage, but you're also getting the front facing, the better front facing camera, the ceramic shield too, the better rear camera. the 120 hertz i mean battery life i would not brightness everything is better much on a 60 hertz phone no you literally no longer can justify it as long as there was a 60 hertz new iphone that existed people could always justify it now that that doesn't exist anymore i don't i can't just just get the what one of the questions we asked people at the event yesterday was do you think people outside the tech community can tell the difference between 60 and 120 hertz yeah and i feel like we got a resounding, no way.

I think people can tell the difference if you ask them if they can tell the difference. It's more like people don't care. I have thoughts on, I think it would be hard for people to articulate what they're seeing, but I do think that people would notice a difference, especially when you tell them to look for a difference. One interesting thing that we heard yesterday

was a guy saying that on his mom's Z-flip seven, I think, maybe six, maybe five. I think it was fold because he gave He said he upgrades every fold. No, it was his mom's, not his. I assumed he gave his mom his mom. His mom had the flip, I thought. Okay.

No, his grandpa. Shut up, Andrew. No, but he was saying he turned it off on his mom's phone, and the only thing his mom noticed was that the battery life got better. She doesn't notice that it's 60 hertz. Yeah. Wouldn't the battery life get better if you had dynamic,

like down to 1 hertz? Well, you're never scrolling up. I think it just caps. I think it's up to 60 or up to 120. Oh, I see. But it is a Samsung, not a... Yeah. Interesting.

Yeah, you know, there's probably an age range where people stop noticing. I don't know. I definitely notice. I have theories on it. I just find it hard to not notice. Maybe I'm too dialed. I'm too dialed. It's just wild to me that Apple is even still selling the iPhone 16.

Like, it makes no sense. Dude, teal. Yeah, that's true. Got them. Well... Hey, so 17. It's out there. It's the same starting price.

last year I think it's a really good overall upgrade to the base phone you know for 256 the pixel 10 is more expensive no that's crazy yep that's crazy i'm so mad at wow because i always i've been thinking like i mean the pixel 10 has three cameras but like the pixel 10 is a good deal and so we kind of have to we're forced to think of the iphone 17 as a good deal also you do you get an iphone 17 is a great i think it's a great deal yeah yeah so then should we go to the pro The pros. Okay, perfect. I think I'm going to be a pro person. I'm definitely going to be a pro. What? 17 pro and 17 pro max. These phones are, I almost, I'm thinking about already what my title of the review is going to be. And I keep, the word maximalist keeps coming to my head. Things got bigger. They got thicker. They're overdoing parts of it. And I love it.

You know how there were all those rumors of like the iPhone 17 Ultra and how it was going to be ultra rugged. And it was sort of like the Apple Watch Ultra. This to me, like the design of this almost feels like an iPhone. iPhone Ultra. Um, maybe the most they've ever done. Yeah. I think when you compare it. It feels sporty. I think also the orange with the Ultra, it feels like the Ultra Watch accents. Yeah.

Yeah. And it feels kind of connected with it. It feels kind of sporty. It's like tough and like rugged. It almost feels like an Otterbox case. Yeah. In its shape. I would say I still, when I compare it to other ultraphones that exist, it still does not feel

like an ultrafone. No. It doesn't have a second telephoto or super fast charging or a big 6,000 million power, so look at carbon battery or whatever. But this is the most maximal I've ever seen in an iPhone and I like that about it. So what's new?

First of all, they've gone back to aluminum. It was titanium. It was stainless steel. And it used to be aluminum back in the day. They're back to aluminum because they're doing this. Honestly, I actually kind of like it. A lot of phones in the past have been like the aluminum frame

and then glass front back. Yeah. This is an aluminum unibody iPhone with a glass cut out. Yeah. And then a glass front. It took me so long to have realized that that was the cutout of the unibody. I thought it was just kind of like a design change on the back and then I was like, oh no, the rest of that is the body.

They just do that so they can have the wireless charge. Yeah, but I think that's nice. Instead of being a glass phone with aluminum rails, it is a metal phone. So I don't think too hard about the weight when I was holding it. It's heavy. It's a big maximalist phone. But yes, this is an all metal unibody aluminum phone now with glass cutouts. And it is kind of part of the design.

They've kind of embraced that like two-tone thing. I love the design. And then the top is the plateau. The plateau. Okay, so they named it. They called it a plateau. But basically that top bar with the cameras and the flash and the microphone and the LIDAR is still there, I think, too.

And the microphone. And all that is, it's got this big bar at the top of the phone that also has a glass cutout. And so it houses the cameras, obviously, but there are also more components that they've kind of pushed up into the top. of the phone in order to maximize, maximize the battery in the bottom part of the phone. Yeah. Which I like that too. Right. I think that's great. They've also moved, they've sort of reshuffled the A19 Pro chip that it has now, closer to the middle of the phone, where they've placed a first time ever vapor chamber in the iPhone. And so now they've had this whole section of the keynote about how much

better thermals are going to be and how much better cooling is going to be and how much, I think, 40% better sustained performance. So basically don't expect this to thermally throttle because the vapor chamber and the dissipation from the aluminum unit body frame will all be way better than previous iPhones. I tend to believe that. And that's exciting to see, especially if you game or if you're going to do like long term. Well, okay, you brought up a thing that I actually thought about, which might not actually have a difference, which is shooting videos. I'm interested in that. So this is the vapor chamber and the heat dissipation from the system is going to be great for heat that comes from the system.

So if I'm recording videos in here or if I'm gaming in here or rendering a video in here, that will spike the temperature of the system and eventually throttle and it'll take longer because of the better thermal properties. But when we go outside and record videos,

it's just hot outside. Yeah. And that's just going to heat it up from the outside. From the outside anyway. Which is different, yeah. And so I think we're still, you know, when we go out

and it's like, oh, the screen's dim and it's like an overheat and it's like, it's just because it's hot out and like all cameras overheat when it's hot outside. I think that's still going to be true. Yeah, it's stuff for like if you're playing games and the chip set is getting hot.

It moves the heat around and it keeps it cooler. But if you're just getting hit from the sun, like there's no way for the system to like keep the phone cool. Maybe the orange will reflect the sun. Yeah. That's also. You know how they say like opposites attract, but same like orange,

the sun is orange and this is orange so they'll repel. That's like science. Don't do that. I guess while we're on the topic of the colors, The aluminum is either going to be orange, silver, or deep blue. You might have noticed that I didn't say black or space gray or any neutral dark. That's very upsetting to me. It is weird.

And I took that personally. It is wild because black is the most popular phone color by far. You mean blue? No. By a large margin. And the fact that Apple decided to go, you know what, not only we're not going to do the most popular phone color ever. We're going to use the most polarizing color ever and make it bright orange. Yeah. Is wild. So, uh, yeah, those are the options. I don't, I guess I'm going to have to go

dark blue. I don't know if I have a choice. Can we get an orange check here? We asked everybody yesterday. Okay. By the way, you have to see it in person. Cosmic orange. Because I'm, I haven't told me this morning that you don't like it anymore. Exactly. That's where I stand on it. So say that out loud. I do not like it anymore. I won't change my mind. I haven't seen it in person. I think This is the most I've ever been compelled to buy an iPhone. Branden doesn't be orange. The design is part of that reason. I think the new design Unibody camera bump cut out and orange altogether is my favorite

iPhone I've ever seen. So Andrew's in on orange. This is coming from someone who's literally never using iPhone. I'm out on orange. I thought it was going to be interesting and I saw it in person and I just think it's too much. Okay. Yeah.

Adams out on orange. Silver looks amazing in person. And silver is the raw aluminum color. Right. So when you chip it, it's not going to look different underneath the color. Oh, that's good. You're anodizing all the other colors so you can paint them. Latina, do you see the back of my laptop there in there?

This character. Ellis, are you out on or in on orange? Dude, I have flip-flopped so many times since seeing this phone. Like, the pictures, I love the color orange. It's one of my favorite colors. Sure. So I was like, orange iPhone. I was ready to put my credit card down as soon as the rumors came out.

And then I saw the renders and I was like, yes. And then I saw one in person yesterday. and I was like, this is what I'm saying. But then I saw more pictures and I was like, ooh. And it's good in video too, I will say.

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. You know, I shot a lot of video of it, and I think I liked it on camera more than I liked it in my own hands. Yeah.

It was a little more saturated, a little more bright than the, like, pumpkin Patagonia orange that I think we thought it would be. Which is what I wanted. Which is what I think a lot of people like. Yeah.

So, yeah, I'm also on the fence. I do think I was kind of likening it to there's been other like bright red phones in the past where I'm like that seems like a shirt I would wear once and feel really cool in but I don't want to wear it every day yeah I feel like I have to go dark blue just I think the silver is like but I don't mind the silver I just can't I shoot so much videos of like reflective things I can't have a light camera that's fair so I can't use the silver the silver the glass cutouts are white yeah and that's just a bright phone for me that is true so I'm going to put a skin on it honestly yeah I'm just gonna debraned it dark yeah did you did you see this speed case the it's a clear case where the glass part is white yeah that on the orange the the the the DREAMsicle iPhone okay okay that's gonna go actually yeah that's not a bad yeah that's nice okay well yeah the class the colors and you know I think the new design in general has a lot of us liking it but the colors maybe a little bit polarizing but there's some other stuff that's new let's see the pro so the batteries are larger and they're quoting longer battery life hard to get a

of how much longer we're gonna have to test these phones but if you go by the hours of video playback number that they give it's so funny that we're still doing that by the way because video decoding is like the easiest thing to do now even though it used to be the hardest thing you and i know that it's a silly number but it's the number they keep giving so it's what we have to go with as far as close because they don't give millionp hours but they're going 39 hours on the 17 pro max versus 33 from the 16 pro max so what no the 16 pro max 39 so the 16 pro max last year they were quoting 33 hours of video playback now they're going up to a max of 39 so maybe like 8 to 10% more battery i've i've been living in the dark ages for so long that number like hurts my

head i mean don't watch 30 hours of video in a row don't do that you can't make a 30 minutes of video i know but yeah i know that that's a different world from the 12 mini but yeah more battery which is great i mean considering the regular 17 pro is now quoted at 33 hours where the 16 pro max used to to be 33 hours like that's pretty good that's pretty good the phones are a little thicker and if i'm remembering feeling them in my hand correctly a little bit heavier too maybe i'm imagining that but they are they are more maximal so i wouldn't be shocked it's also aluminum it's more metal heavier than titanium but it's aluminum unibody no titanium is lighter titanium is it but there's more metal because the previous one it was just the frame yeah with more glass and then this time it's

the whole unibody, except for the cutout. So I do think, I do think it's a little bit heavier. Wait, hold on, that's an AI overview. Got a, got to, let me find a source. But I think titanium is heavier. I vaguely, I vaguely remember when we had aluminum phones, they went to stainless steel, and it was like, this is

polished and pretty, but it's heavier. And then they went to titanium, and they said, this is lighter than stainless steel. Yeah, the whole, oh, stainless steel. Oh, I see you. So I don't remember versus aluminum. Either way. Chunky phone, right?

It's still got the triple cameras. These are all bigger cameras. And yes, it's now a 48 megapixel 4X telephoto camera instead of 5X. I think this works really nicely. We had 5X before on a 12x, 12 megapixel. God, I'm saying a lot of numbers. We had a 5X 12 megapixel telephoto before. That gap between 1X and 5X was kind of far, but you could work with it.

And then you got to the Zoom and you could get CRISPR photos at 5X again. But now that gap is smaller because it's only 4X. and it's a higher resolution so you can then continue to zoom further and have more pixels. So now they've an 8x range, quote, quote, yeah. Yeah, because now they're all fusion cameras, so you can crop into the center on each of them. It is kind of nice just to have like this linear progression

where it's 0.5-1-2-4-8. So it's doubling every time, which is kind of nice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so better zoom performance. And then ceramic shield two on the front and the back, which is nice. That millimeter wave antenna at the top of the phone was an interesting choice.

Yeah, we've got to talk about that. It's a look. So on the iPhone 16 Pro, they were able to move the millimeter wave cut out, which used to be this just little glass window that allowed the 5G to come through. They were able to move it into the antenna bands. And then this year, they didn't really show this in the keynote at all, but you see it in person. The very top of the phone, there's a giant millimeter wave window.

And it does not look great. It's funny, too, because they added more space for antennas with the plateau. Yeah. But then had to re-add the millimeter wave cutout. Because the edge of the plateau is an antenna, too. It's literally an antenna. It's so weird that they need to do that. I don't know why.

It's just like a more contrasty-looking iPhone. It's like a two-tone iPhone. It's like the metal and then the cutout at the top and the cut out at the plateau and then the cut out for the charging. It's just different looking. I love it. Yeah. Yeah.

So, yeah, Ceramic Shield 2 on the front and the back. And you get that new selfie camera. And then some genuinely pro features. pro res raw video recording I will test that for sure yeah I only the only other pro res raw camera that I have is our red V-Raptor just crazy

just to put that in perspective yeah it's a code is that camera it's not even about price it's just about like demographic no it's about demographic like nobody shoots pro res raw but then every time you listen to Apple they're like shoot pro res shoot pro res raw you get the raw

malleability of the footage but obviously it's smaller do you think that's why it starts at 2506 I don't because you can only shoot pros raw with an external drive right right right I didn't hear that that well that's the way the 16 pro was right someone back me up on this I think no I'm right no I think 16 pro it was not with extra it was like on the 128 gigabyte model you were not able to shoot pro res they basically like you had to buy the 256 or higher model to even shoot pro res on the 16 pro am I hallucinating right now I swear this is

the thing that you could only shoot pro res wrong the eye it it makes me sort of feel like the reason they made the base storage higher is so that they didn't have to have that weird artificial limitation anymore. Because it used to be that you literally could not use one of the features if you bought one of the lower storage phones, which was a very weird thing for Apple to do.

I appreciate the more storage. ProRes Raw will take more storage than ProRes. A lot more, yeah. Also, Genlock. Genlock! Support. Yeah. Me and Rufus went nuts. It's so funny.

I was sitting in the theater later and talking to a journalist who was like, so Genlock. like, is anybody going to use that? And I was like, honestly, probably not, but. No, no, no, so did you see, for us? Dude, think about, so the movie that just came out, 28 years later. Yeah, 20 years later.

With that crazy iPhone rig. Yeah, the mobile rig. That without Genlock versus that with Genlock is like possibly hundreds of hours. Yeah. Well, someone was saying, someone online was saying that they probably developed this for that movie. so that they could like use that rig and then they were like well we have this now

for those that don't know Genlock is sort of like a shared time like it's time code so when you like when you when you share time code between a bunch of cameras it sinks the start time of the video file but it doesn't actually sync the internal clocks of the camera just make sure they all start

at the same time Genlock actually sends out a pulse that tells each camera frame frame frame frame frame frame so that every camera is taking a frame is the same. Are we doing Genlock in the studio right now? No, I don't think so. Probably not, because we're shooting on 16 pros.

But in a situation like this, it could potentially be pretty useful. This is like the situation, yeah. It also is, I believe, right now only available through a black magic thing. But he did say there is an API available. So it sounds like there could be other third-party adapters. Yeah, that would help, which is nice. Support it. Yeah.

So overall, iPhone 7. 17 Pro and Pro Max feel like, like I said, not quite at the level of like maxed out hardware ultra phones that we've seen, but the most maximalist iPhones that we've ever seen, and I like them. There was one other small thing that I thought was kind of interesting that we'll never really get to see a difference in, but it was that the North American versions are ESIM only, and they specifically mentioned using that SIM card space for more battery. Yeah, yeah.

Which means there will be two different iPhone 17 pros with different battery sizes based on what region you're in. Have they ever done that before? One of them is slightly more all day. Yeah. I wonder what the numbers on that. I want to know how much million-amp hours are in a SIM card tray space. I think this is something we can figure out. Whoever is watching this podcast, if you can find the million-a-hour number difference between an iPhone 17 pro and an ESIM region,

and an iPhone 17 Pro in a regular SIM region, then we'll know exactly how much more battery they saved and are giving us by not having a regular SIM card in our phones. Yeah, yeah. So there you go. 58 million hours. 30 is my guess. I'm going to go with 50.

I think they're going to add the entire battery life of my 12 minutes. I think that's 12. Probably exactly what I look like. 12 million hours. All right. Okay. Well, I think we're going to talk about the iPhone Air, not 17 Air, notably, for quite a while.

So before we do that, we should probably do our second trivia segment. But it's not just regular trivia. Were you paying attention? That's right. I was. I'm so ready. You just said you weren't paying attention before. I got lucky, and I feel like I'm on a roll.

All right, second question. They showed off two new watch faces for the Apple Watch Series 11. I'm not getting this. One was called Flow, which had liquid glass. last numerals. The other was a modern interpretation of a traditional regulator clock end quote. Oh yeah.

What was that one called? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I googled traditional regulator clock and I just got a bunch of pictures of clocks. What is a regulator clock? Mm-hmm. Well, well, guys, there's an article on Wood Magazine, which is a hilarious

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So that's the first thing. iPhone Air is new to the lineup. It is, I guess, not an iPhone 17. It's an iPhone Air. it's part of the lineup of new phones and your defense in the docket does say 17 air it does yeah okay well they said iPhone air on stage and I remember writing that in my tweet

being careful not to say 17 because they didn't say 17 but it's in the middle of the lineup it's a thousand dollar phone is replacing the plus yeah um okay so it's more expensive than the base iPhones it's less expensive than the pro iPhones they took some stuff from the pro iPhones that I didn't expect them to yeah which was interesting because we heard about this ultra thin phone and then they also took some stuff from the base iPhones

So the basic idea, if you haven't already seen, is it's a crazy razor-thin iPhone. To be precise, 5.6 millimeters. Thinner than that's 25-Ech. Notably, probably important to them. They are the thinner one. Of course, there is also still that plateau at the top. This phone reminds me more than ever of the Nexus 6P. But it's a single camera, the 48 megapixel fusion camera.

And then it's just thin, thin, thin, thin, thin buttons, thin camera control, thin action button, the port at the bottom, there's no speakers at the bottom of the phone. Yeah, that's strange. I saw this because I posted. Yeah, I put my short out and I was like, wow, these speaker holes at the bottom are really small. And then all the comments were like,

I checked Apple's website. There's actually no speakers at the bottom. That's just the microphone holes. It's just a single speaker at the top. Wait, is it mono? It's a single, yeah, not mono, but it's not, well, I guess technically it is mono. It's a single speaker at the top. Is it two drivers inside?

It's probably two drivers at the top, but it's, it's, usually the earpiece speaker, I don't know where it comes from. Just in the platform. Oh, yeah, the earpiece speaker, and that would, they could do it in stereo. Yeah, most phones have speaker at the top of the phone speaker at the bottom of the phone. This one is so thin and is so focused on just filling it up with battery that they have not put a speaker at the bottom of the phone. They have also not put a SIM card tray at the bottom of the phone. It's ESIM only globally. Globally.

They have also not put an ultra-wide, obviously, or a telephoto camera. it's just a single camera and it is ceramic shield two front and back and it's a titanium frame yeah they chose to put the a 19 pro in this phone uh minus one gp ucure yeah but the a 19 pro chip and we're we're chatting about this it seems like yeah that's a more potentially efficient chip overall that's what was very funny is like yeah i was worried i was like why would they put this more intense chip in this phone but then they were like and it gets even better battery life yeah like how does the pro chip get better battery life so it's you know i think almost every choice about the hardware of this phone paradoxically is to maximize battery life yeah every single because it is so

thin that the only thing that they can optimize for is just whatever they can do just put more battery in this phone um and we'll talk about battery in a second but USB 2 instead of USB 3 yeah it's a It's a slower. Slower bus. So if you want to move files from it, but obviously you're probably not going to be shooting like, you know, because you're not even allowed to shoot pro res raw or any of that stuff on this phone.

Yeah. So, you know. It's a six and a half inch screen up front. So it is a little bigger than the smallest iPhone. And it is a pro motion display, which again, that's great. It's going to have all the way down to 1 Hertz. That's efficient. Always on.

Great. And, yeah, it's not going to have the, the vapor chamber or any of the thermal improvements that the pro had. So the behavior of the ship is going to be interesting to watch when we tested because it may be more efficient at the low end, but when you do try to do

bursty or like longer sustained performance stuff, is it going to overheat instantly in throttle? Yeah. Is it going to get really hot because there's no vapor chamber? I don't know. Yeah.

We'll have to see. They tried to miniaturize basically everything. They made a new version of the C1 modem. The C1 modem, and they said this specifically in the keynote, they were like, we only released the C1 modem six months ago and now

we've got the C1X so in the iPhone 16E we saw that custom C1 modem right because they wanted to move away from Qualcomm all this stuff and now they said this in the keynote it was only six months ago that we introduced the C1 modem now we're introducing the C1

X modem which they say is two times faster than the C1 modem I do not know what that means when it comes to a modem that seems crazy but it's apparently also 30% more battery efficient and as we said everything is about battery efficiency and this is part of the whole n1 chip package for all of their network connectivity so there's the n1 chip which does Wi-Fi 7 Bluetooth 6 and thread radios all in one chip as well yeah which is

yeah so I think the idea behind all this is to just be maximally efficient it's the same idea as like when we had intel chips versus apple silicon in these laptops and they got much better battery life inefficiency because they were dialed for what they wanted to do with them instead of off the shelf same thing if you're going to gear this thing towards paradoxically maximum battery life then that makes sense for this phone and they put almost everything in the plateau area of this phone yeah they put as much batteries they could physically fit in the bottom half of the phone yeah it was both cameras front and back speaker chip it's just like literally that's what the plateau yeah like most of the stuff is in the plateau yeah yeah people are making jokes that the next

iPhone, the next nano device is just going to be the plateau. With the big camera. Honestly. That would look like Sully for Monster's thing. Yeah. That'd be kind of sick. Yeah.

So, you know, you're not getting macro camera spatial. You can't do spatial photos because it needs at least two cameras. You can do any of that. You're not getting pro rha. No cinematic mode. No spatial video. No Peros video. No Academy color grading or encoding. No Apple Log 2. No genlock. No macro

video. No studio quality for Microway. No millimeter wave. Oh no. But it's 5.6 millimeters thin. This is the whole thing, right? It's like you're giving up so much for something that feels. Yes, it does feel amazing and shocking. Yeah. But I just wonder how long is it going to take for that veneer to wear off

and for you to be like, but what about all the features and the fact that this has probably horrible battery light? Yeah. I will say that testing and using S25 Edge, I had a similar arc of feelings and thoughts, which was, okay, we see the video, oh looks really cool and thin but like nobody's asking for this what are we doing here oh you'll probably sell a few the ads really cool and snazzy but like whatever and then

I hold it and I go damn that's nice yeah it's like I kind of I kind of want to use this phone and it looks cool on video and you can tell it's thin but it's it's thin and light so the combo of like holding this like I don't know it's just a it's a crazy piece of hardware in your hand and it has a pro motion display on the front and it's a totally smooth like usable iPhone and you're like dang this is kind of impressive i went through that also and then but like logically it is a worse phone and the only way to justify buying the edge is to really like the fact that it's so thin and light that is the only thing that will make you buy it over the other phones so how much do you really want or are impressed by that yeah is the question yeah um it is yeah the brighter screen

titanium, all that fun stuff. It looks fine. This phone was invented to miniaturize the parts so that they can, it's one half of the iPhone fold. Okay, yeah, so this is my... That's what this is. I kind of like started this thought in the impressions video and I'll probably have to try to finish it in the review.

But I kind of feel like you can only see this phone one of two ways. Way number one is Apple is just trying it and you know they tried the mini thing like Ellis bought one but who else like has not a lot of sales, right? So then they move to the plus. They're like, oh, people like big screens, we'll do the plus phones. And then

they had the plus phones for a little bit. And those were okay sales, but not really killing it. So then they go. That was the worst selling one. Yeah, it didn't hit. And so now they're like, oh, what if we do ultra thin? And so they go through the process of miniaturizing and one chip and all this fun stuff. And so now they're just throwing something at the wall and seeing if it sticks. That's one way you could see it. The other way you could see it is Apple has been dreaming of this for years. And this is a long time in the making. And this is the first. And this is the first step towards every phone being this thin, they just needed to get the right combination of parts and Apple Silicon and battery technology and hardware and displays and everything to finally

make this a real phone. And in the same way that like the first MacBook Air kind of sucked and was underpowered, but then now every laptop is that thin and it's totally fine, that's also going to happen with smartphones. This iPhone Air is a little underpowered. It might overheat. It has a really weak battery, but when they finally get, like, silicon carbon and, like, Apple Silicon gets even more efficient and all this stuff, it's going to be, like, a totally normal iPhone, and we'll all have phones like this everywhere. Yeah, it's interesting because they made a new MagSafe battery that is very thin profile. Which I want.

Only works with the air, but... Designed for the air, but... It's designed for the air. It doesn't only work for the air. You could put it on another phone, but you would have to put it sideways because of the way oh how tall it is because the plateau is so tall yes i didn't even think it's it's higher up wait can you not use normal magsafe on the iPhone no no it's you can it's just that this magsafe battery specifically is like is that it's specifically designed for the size it's really thin

the air in the biggest red flag of all red flags they've designed a battery just for this ultra thin phone that you can slap to the back yeah and like yeah you can oh we could always slap a battery to the back of your phone, but you're like, oh, for this one, we're going to make a special one because we know people are going to want this. And it makes it the same thickness as the regular one. It makes it the same thickness as a regular phone and it totals now the same overall battery as the pro max. Right. With that 3,150 million bar battery. As the pro max? As the pro max. Oh, everyone says they want a modular phone and then we get a sort of modular phone. Everyone's like red flag. Well, okay. Do you remember the Moto Z?

Yeah. That was before Ellis came on line. Ultra thin. Moto Z was like the fanist. I was still in free school when that came out. That was a ridiculously thin phone. It might have also been five millimeters, like a USB C port, barely fit in that phone. And they had the pins on the back, and you could slap a battery to the back.

And they had a specially designed. That was also a red flag. There's a projector. It's the same. Yeah. Yeah. That was a projector attachment. You could slap the battery on the back, charge up the battery, then pop that off and put another modemot on the back and do other stuff with it.

Or take it off and use it as a super thin. phone and that was really cool but it's like yeah they did the battery accessory because they knew that this phone would need that type of thing yeah the same exact red flag here it's just an apple design language and it's very pretty and it's nice but it is definitely going to have a bad battery life without that thing yeah so now we know i yeah what would you consider a bad battery life for this valid question uh so they said all day battery without this battery bank I, you know, I tend to measure my battery life in screen on time, which is like this old stat that's come from Android phones where it's like, I have had my phone on for four and a half

hours today, and here's the breakdown of all the apps that I was using it for four and a half hours for me used to be four hours, now it's seven or eight. That's really good, right? Yeah, eight hours of screen on time. I think like five six feels like five or six is like good fine good and I would suspect that this one's going to be four to five which is usable it's probably fine but it's not going to be good it's not going to be good battery life yeah that's what I'm guessing four they quote 27 hours of playback a video playback a video playback which is what two thirds of the yeah which is 39 was the 39 is the pro max pro pro pro pro is 33 33 yeah like three quarters yeah yeah and then with the battery they quote 40 hours of playback so you know i still i still think it's just that they're gonna make that foldable and they needed to make they needed to engineer the components you were saying this is what samsung just did

yeah this is literally what samsung just did they they released the s 25 edge and then like three months later they released the fold seven which is the s 25 edge in two parts part that slaps itself together yeah yeah so so you're saying foldable iPhone confirmed yeah yeah No way. Yeah, next year probably, I'm sure. Just checking. But, yeah, I don't know. I mean, that would allow them, and, you know,

if they were able to fit the entire foldable iPhone in the plateau, then the second half of the foldable iPhone could all be battery. That would be incredible. Crazy battery, let. That's the one Ellis is buying. Straight from a mini to a fold. No, there's got to be something in between, bro. My phone is, is like, the past two weeks have been specifically

so painful on the old 12 mini she's barking did I tell you the lady on the flight next to me on the way here had a Z-fold seven oh yeah she never closed it wow never closed it let it die in five minutes we're doing a bonus episode that'll come out after this where we talked to people on the street at the Apple event three three separate people that we talked to had 12 series phones oh interesting 12 series phones no one had a MIDI. Okay. I don't think you need it to clarify. Well, you know, that's kind of where we're at as far as like, you know, we talk about this every year with Apple and targeting. Like, you probably don't need a new phone every single year, but how far back are you that you should upgrade to these new phones? And I think it's probably pretty common for people to be right around the 12 or the 13 series right now. Yeah. And those people will find any of these tempting, I think. Yeah. This is something I was thinking about actually earlier when we were doing the pixel stuff. because I switched over to the pixel

and I noticed I was I was just texting people and it was just like RCS chat with this person RCS chat with this person and I was like you know Apple was really stubborn about adding RCS

but the fact that they force people to update their software and that their software update numbers are so high means that wow I can use RCS with all these iPhone people now and I didn't have to force them to update their phones yeah it was pretty nice

yeah it's pretty handy Yeah. So I, you know, I think the 17, the 17 air, I think the iPhone air, am I allowed to call it 17 air? No. No. Okay. I think, I think the iPhone air is a really interesting bet. We will be testing it. I will find out exactly how good or bad the battery life is. Stay tuned, get subscribed. It does feel and look amazing, I have to say. It does feel super light and super thin and very impressive, just like the thin iPad, just like the S-25 Edge, just like the S-11 Ultra Tablet. Just like the iPhone 6. Yeah, that 6-plus was, that has a reputation.

Yeah, we'll see if it bends. But the idea is it's a super thin phone, and we'll see how well it does. Yeah. I have one more thing. One more thing? Uh-oh. That's very appropriate. Vision Pro 2. It is a little.

This is just something I noticed, as far as I can tell, none of these new phones that were announced are compatible with the Apple polishing. Oh, yeah, I'm true. As of right now, the polishing cloth is only up to the iPhone 16 Pro. I've been repression the page to make sure they didn't update it. They still have it. So be careful. If you use...

We might get polishing cloth two, two times softer. I don't want to make any, I don't want to make any, like, claims. But allegedly, if you use the Apple polishing cloth on any of the 17 series phones or the air, it will be destroyed instantly. Did you miss our... It's like a, it's like a particle and an anti-particle. article. We did this as an April Fool's joke a while ago. We took the first phone that's not on the list. Dude. And like, Marquez did sleight of hand to pretend to wipe it and then it just

shattered. It's like right after. Light imitates art, man. I don't know what else to tell you. Could happen. I think somebody just has to update the page here. Yeah, probably. But you know what else imitates art? Trivia. Nice. Thanks. Before we, I hit the second button, I just want to say, Big shout out and thank you to the amazing audio engineering team running this session right now, whose limiters are so dialed in that I literally couldn't clip my mic when I tried to yell at Andrew earlier. It just doesn't work. But anyway. And everyone else who helps here set this up, but we're appreciating.

Yeah, truly. There's lighting and camera and I know you like sound so much. I don't know what any of that stuff is. Ellis only cares about audio. I only care about audio. Were you paying attention? And whether you guys were paying attention or not. Genlock.

Genlock. That's it. I just care about Jenlock. Guys, there's a new thing that they added to the trail loop. And I just want to say when I was writing this question, I kept being like,

I'm calling it the trail loop. It's called the trail band. A trail loop is what you walk on when you do a hike. Damn, I've been calling my trail loop this whole time. And I kept changing it. Well, it is called the trail loop. Oh my guy.

I double wronged myself. But what's new with it? Guys, what did they? Here, I'll give you a little hint. What's the deal with the trail loop? What did they add? Uh-huh. to the trail loop.

Yes. Specifically. Yeah. They mentioned this a couple times. I'm not shocked that Andrew knows this. I missed it every time. It's my favorite band they make, so much so that I have a knockoff garment version of it.

The knockoff version is going to add this too, for sure. Oh, yeah. It might have already had it. I mean, they'll add it just because on the Amazon link, they can add one more thing to the title. I'm just making sure we didn't miss any emergency things that happened. If you get this question right, I'm going to be skeptical. I'm getting this wrong.

All right, everyone who wants to go first? I think Andrew I think David makes me Okay, so why doesn't David go first then? Because I'm wrong. Well, because you put the different thing. Yeah, yeah. I wrote magnets.

Yes. Actually, did they? No, they didn't add magnets to a lot of stuff this year. Well, yeah, we'll get to that. Anyway, go ahead. Oh, we didn't talk about the cross-body strap. That's fine.

Hey, hey. We just did. There we go. Look. That's fine. That's, it's very popular in Asia. It has magnets now. Yeah, they have a, yeah, cross-body strap has magnets.

Yeah. So that's why I was thinking maybe the trail loop. No, it's, I like the way you think, and you're right, we need more cross-body. I thought he was wrong. He's wrong. What is the answer? The answer is what Andrew and Marquez put, which is one, two, three. Reflective thread.

What does that mean? Technically, if we're being pedantic, you're both wrong. Let's go. Because they refer to it everywhere as a reflective yarn. I just remember it was like, whoa. I thought they mentioned it was woven. Yarn's not thread? I think I'll give you the point, Mark.

I said material. Yarn, not a material? Thread is part of matter. The idea is the trail loop now has, on the outside, it's got this little reflective material in it, which will make you more visible when you're on the trail. I feel like they didn't show that in the... Could you see it when you saw it?

Like, could you see the reflective thing? I mean, yeah, but it was in like daylight. I want to see what it looks like. They didn't show it on the thing, but I thought it was interesting. I want to see what it looks like patinaed because a lot of the 3M reflective material only lasts like a few years before it's no longer reflective. You should have updated three times by then. Just get a new watch, bro. How did you erase this?

My fingee. Oh, yeah. Do you want to use my fingee? You have to. Wait, so does Andrew get that point? Yeah, Mark has an Andrew got that point. I'm just being a little nudnik over here. Sometimes magnets are reflective.

Sometimes. If you polish them with... With Jedlock. If you polish that, if you take the Black Magic iPhone accessory and you rub it on a rare earth magnet. I just love that Apple will randomly bring out some random, like, industry term that 98% of the people that are watching the event have no idea. Not to keep talking about Jenlock, but the really cool part about using an iPhone as a camera is that you can use. so many of them with such a small space and power footprint. And so the ability to frame sync 50 cameras like that,

60 cameras, 100 cameras, you can literally make up a number. That is like, that is like, that really opens up the door to a lot of like experimental filmmaking, especially what we do. Like, picture what we could do in robot room with 200 iPhones all gen locked. I'm gonna genlock myself in our room after this event. Brandon's here.

I'm gonna pass it over to Adam now, because I've been talking for a while. While. Second. You don't have to pass it over because we each have our own mic. Oh my God. I know. It's weird. So question number two, but first, quick update on the score. Marquez. Wait, quick update on the score. Wait. Requez and I were right last week about the 89 on the DXO mark. So update that score. So last week, the question was, what scored DXO mark did the pixel have when it launched the first one? You both put 89. That is what it was when it launched. They changed it after to 90. So a lot of people yelled at me saying that it was 89 and you guys got it right so fine you guys get the

point uh so question number two yeah they showed off to new watch faces for the apple watch series 11 one of them was called flow micky mouse the other one was a modern interpretation of a traditional regulator clock what was that one called also why the music's playing you never actually updated the scores i know marquez has four now andrew has seven david has two what Yeah, David, come on, what's going on? Whoa. David, get your head the game, bro. Dang.

He spent all his karma last year. Yeah, he wins one trivia, and then that's it. He gives up. Make sure you give me 30 points in the extravaganza. Yeah. I'm not getting this right. Flip him. All right.

What are you got? This question is now worth 30 points. Oh, my God. Oh. Who wants to go first? Did we all write the same thing, actually? What do you write? Oh.

I'm wrong. I wrote the way point face. That was a cool thing that I added. that the always on display could live update with the like one Andrew and I both wrote Hermes Armes

Yeah That was one of the new faces It was like the clock town It was a cool one But no that's not the one This one's called ExactoGraph Oh

Rolls off the sun Wow That's pretty cool That's cool It was a cool one I liked it What was the The sink clock or whatever

Genlock? No No Genlock Genlock? I'm just going to start Did someone say Jetlock?

Next year it's going to be Genlock Gen 2 Oh, my God. Gen 2 X4. No, it's going to be that's Gen. Gen 2. Gen 2 lock here. I have a question. Why isn't it always Genlock and never Jennifer Locke?

Why are we not being formal? If you guys were Apple, Jen, how are you? Or if you were betting on Apple, what do you think is the next most likely pro-named feature to move to a non-pro device? This podcast is sponsored by Polymarket and Raff Kings. That's not true, only allegedly. I think they're going to... Genlock Pro. next pro wait ask the question again i was too busy making a bad show so pro motion was the first

pro labeled feature to move to a non-pro labeled device in the 17 and the 17 air or the air yeah what is the next between like pro res pro res raw pro raw photos between all the pro labeled features what's the next most likely you think they could move pro fusion is that a thing no the cameras that's just called fusion and they already the bases already have that the bases already have that yeah oh so it already has it's just no no it's not called pro fusion it's just fusion camera yeah i think it's like you're thinking of that other fusion thing from a long time ago deep fusion deep fusion no god what it isn't that many pro features left other than there's only like four by name i think they're all camera pro rrah photos i think they're real res video pro res raw video and

pro log pro log is there anything else i think i think every new ipone is going to come with a fond of prologue oh yeah i would i would believe that before i think it's going to be pro rrah pro rah yeah i could see that you need a lot of storage for pro ross video but you can do pro rha yeah you can do pro rah i'll go and they're going to announce another pro feature and that will be the one that comes first they have they eventually have to start moving them over right because like that's what happens every year is every single year they take the base iPhone and they take something that was just in the better iPhone from the previous year and they put it in the So they have to be careful about what they name pro because they have to be sure they're not going to move it. Yeah, they ran out and they just yeah. I'm just surprised that they called it that that like they could have called it something else and just said it was worse for some reason. So you guys have all failed. There's actually already one. The A19 Pro is in the iPhone air. Yeah, but the air is but the air is not it's not a numbered. Yeah, I guess. But if it started if it started in it is a non-pro phone. Also it's not a

It's not, but it is a non-pro phone, but the iPhone Air is not like a numbered phone, you know, like iPhone 16. I agree. But I'm just saying A-19 Pro, non-pro phone. Who says the Air isn't a pro? Air Pro Max. The name. Yeah. English.

Air Pro. Yeah. Okay. Hey, we've been chatting for a while. Thank you guys for watching and listening. Of course, your regular schedule programming will continue, but stay tuned for some other. Oh, programming. But stay tuned for some other stuff that's also in the pipeline.

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Too deep, David. Sorry. Okay. I don't think I can name all the plans.