Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - The Marques vs. Andrew Trivia Showdown & Long-form Video Analytics on YouTube!

Episode Date: March 12, 2021

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Mitsubishi Motors. Welcome back to another episode of the Wayform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. And I'm Andrew. And we've got a whole bunch of random fun today, but it's a good one. We first go through a little bit of a rapid fire of some new headlines. There's a little new EV stuff, some new NFT news. Then we'll go over some thoughts on the long form iPhone video and just the format and what we think it meant and what we learned from it. Then David Amell joins us for a random experimental game of YouTube and tech trivia. You can play along or you can just

enjoy how bad we are at remembering things, but let's just jump right into it. It hasn't quite been the busiest week in terms of tech news, but I saw a couple headlines. I think we might as well just mention maybe a little rapid fire news story headline read off. I'll say you react. Yeah, I like that. I'll react. First one, Jack Dorsey selling his first ever tweet as an NFT and the current high bid is $2.5 million. Oh my God. Why? Please don't buy it. Uh, if you are the person who's bidding two and a half million and expecting to sell it for three, you're not going to be able to, I'm sorry. Apparently he's going to donate to charity. So that's a good, um, next one. Pixel six rumored to have a center hole punch and most likely a Snapdragon seven 75.

Okay. So sort of lining up as another mid range successor to pixel five. So sort of lining up as another mid-range successor to Pixel 5. Yeah. I mean, I get it. When you have success in Pixel 5 as a mid-ranger, you're tempted to continue along that path. I want a Pixel 5 Pro. As much as I hate using the word Pro, I want a high-end Pixel, but I get it. I think your sigh was the perfect, you could have just left it at the sigh. That's how we all felt when I said that out loud.

Kia releasing a teaser image of their new EV called the EV6. Did you get a chance to look at it? No, but just hearing the name EV6 is interesting. What's that? Because everyone, when they do their first electric car, has to make a choice. Do you want to name it something new, or do you want to name it something based on the thing people already know about? So when Ford's doing an F-150 electric, it's going to be called the F-150 electric or a Mustang Mach

E. People know what a Mustang is. When Audi does it, it's an e-tron. When Porsche does it, they combined them. They made a Taycan, but they called it a turbo because people know what turbos are in their lineup. So that's my first thing I noticed when I see this headline is Kia wants to do something new, which I think makes sense. They don't really have any sort of, other than maybe the Stinger. The Stinger has been their like hype car for a reason. They've more been known as like the more affordable, like it's still a fairly good car brand. And the Stinger was their like splash. And now this, I guess, is their EV splash. Interesting enough, it's the second card based on this platform that hyundai is using for the ionic was that what oh the ionic yeah yeah so yeah so it's going to be another mid-range like affordable but we need more of those that

makes sense from them okay you should look up a picture though it's one of those pictures where like the entire photo is really dark and you just kind of see the headlights. And I think David tried to brighten it up, but we didn't get much out of it. But just based on the, in a really dark room, it looks kind of neat. So I noticed something while driving around this weekend in New Jersey, this might be very different depending on where you are in the world, but I started realizing how many crossovers there are on the road. Yeah, it's the most popular car out there. Oh my God. There's so many, the Highlanders, the RAV4s, the Ford Explorers, everyone's got a Highlander. And this has the silhouette of a hatchback type

of maybe crossover. It looks a little more like a smaller hatchback. Don't they call it like a hot hatch in Europe? I know Top Gear used to always talk about hot hatches. Stuff like that, yeah. So it looks a bit smaller. I kind of like the half of a silhouette you get out of it. I think it looks kind of neat.

The headline I'm seeing now that I've Googled it is hoping for 300 mile range and late 2021, which to me is right about baseline acceptable. Yeah, that sounds like exactly what we could imagine. But speaking of EVs, I mean, off of the rapid fire news right now, we got to try an EV this week that was pretty unique, I think is the safest way of saying it. Okay. The, oh man, this is such a fun eye-opening car.

So in the world of EVs, I kind of feel like you can break it down as like there's two types of EVs. There's the high end and there break it down as like there's two types of EVs. There's the high end and there's the low end. And they're both very important. You need the low end, the Kias of the world. You need the ID4s of the world and the Mach-Es and even the Model 3s as mass market adoptable things for people to just jump into their first EV. And it makes sense and they're not too intimidating and they just got to be better than the gas

version. But then there's also the sports car world and then there's the high end of EVs, which are like the Plaid Model S, the Lucid Airs, the Roadsters of the world. And this car that we tested this week, I think is kind of like the apex of what we consider like hypercar electric. And the point of these is to prove that electric cars can be better than gas cars in every way, in performance, in being fun to drive,

in dynamics, in all this fun stuff. It's debatable if they're fun to drive because people love the sound and there's all kinds of other things there. But we drove the Rimac Concept 1. Now they are coming out with the Concept 2 shortly. And the Concept 1 is actually a couple years old, but my God, it's kind of just a little rocket ship,

and the best way to describe it is if you've ever driven a go-kart, it's just like that. Just like a go-kart. So the specs, if you're watching this or listening to this on Friday, you're probably right around when the video's going up about this so you'll hopefully be able to watch that too but so there's quad motors one motor at each wheel full all-wheel drive torque vectoring roughly 90 kilowatt hour battery that'll go somewhere around 200 miles if you drive it reasonably but this is never going to be driven reasonably no this car is designed to be like on a track. It's small. It's low. It's got almost no room inside.

I'm 6'3". I cannot extend my legs or straighten up because my head hits the ceiling of the car without straightening up. It's crazy. A point both of us were in it and like our necks are hunched down and like it was sore. When they dropped it off this morning, you drove it into the parking lot and I just told you I would walk because I didn't feel like hurting my knees to bend down to get into the car again. The crazy intimidating part of this car is it is a very,

very limited edition rare car. And when I say rare. That's an understatement. It is a one of eight car. There were eight concept ones ever made. Famously, Top Gear crashed one of them. Well, you were driving a car and you crashed it. Yes, but I crashed after the finishing line, like a professional.

You've probably all already typed that tweet out by now. Yes, that is one of them. So now there's seven. This is what appears to be the newest one. Yeah, that's what Rob told me. It's the latest one in all of them being made. So the latest one. So it's an MSRP, a sticker price price of i had to get it insured to even

do this video it's about a million and a half dollars so me driving it to the parking lot was an exercise in like get in very carefully don't scratch the leather don't drive over something stupid like everything you do is super important um and the funny thing was when they were dropping it off and we first got this like moment of holy holy crap, we're really going to be able to drive this car for a video. I had this like sneaking suspicion in the back of my head. And this happens with every car video where I'm like, what if I like this more than my car? What's going to happen when I get the bug?

And we've driven all kinds of cars, the Mustang Mach-Es, the McLaren 720S. There's lots of cars that I really like, but I can talk myself down from ever actually thinking I'm going to change. I like my car a lot. When they pulled this one off the trailer, I was really actually more nervous than any other car. I was like, what if I like this car? I obviously can't get it, but I'm bitten by this bug where I'm like, I don't know, this is going to be really weird if I really like this car. And the second that I sat in the driver's seat and had to crane my head under the headliner, there is no rear view mirror. There is no rear visibility. There are tiny windows. There's barely front visibility. It was immediately as soon as I

closed the door and sat in the car, I was like, oh no, this is terrible. This is terrifying. Driving a go-kart on the road like this is wild. But the peak of it is it is a really great performer. It's a fast 0-60. It has a 211 mile an hour top speed. And it has two gears and carbon fiber paddle shifters. And you drive it and it shifts gears kind of aggressively like a gas car. It's kind of hard to explain. You have the first gear, which sounds, this is the lowest gear ratio you're blasting off.

It's so much fun. It's a crazy fun car. But it's in a Dope Tech video because that's the point of Dope Tech is this is the stuff you're probably not going to try to buy. Yeah, it's definitely like more of a collector's piece, which is also wild that Manhattan Motorcars near us seem to be one of the people with one of seven. It's got to be the only one not owned by anyone, right? I think it's the only one that's available. I think they have a partnership with Rimac. So that's their thing is they get to be the ones to sell it.

That's an honor, I guess. It was an honor to sit in it as uncomfortable as it was being a tall person. But it's neat to be able to say that I got to sit in a one of seven car in the world. This is the car that I think may have had the most what is that out of any car I've ever seen. Yeah. What color is that? It's an electric car, Ramac. Oh, Ramac.

Oh, okay. Nice. Which is really funny. You see supercars on the street, and even when we went and shot with the Aventador, people have seen Lamborghinis before, so people aren't really stopping and going, what is that? They know it's a Lamborghini. 720S got people like, you know, turning their heads and looking at it and occasional enthusiasts going, hey, nice car.

But they kind of know that that's what it is. This Rimac kind of looks like a hybrid of like a Bugatti and like a go-kart. It's so low and small. You just don't know what you're looking at. And there is no name brand visibility of like normal people knowing what the Rimac is. It's like so confusing. And I guess so rare that someone pulled up and said, what is that? And you said, oh, Rimac. And they just like nodded their heads and drove away because they had absolutely no clue what you were talking about.

Yes. I found myself starting to say, oh, it's an electric supercar just because that's easier to understand than Rimac Concept One. They're like, oh, it's an electric supercar. Yeah. Because that's easier to understand than Rimac Concept One. They're like, oh, it's a concept car? No, it's a real car. It's called the Concept One. So who makes it? Rimac. Who?

It's an electric. You get it. It's an electric car. Literally, it came off the trailer, and within 90 seconds, there was like nine people around the car. Like, what is that? Two construction guys parked their truck in the middle of the road and just got out to take pictures of it. It was an experience just watching it

come out of the trailer for sure. Normally with autofocus videos, we'll have the car for a couple more days and I'll like drive it home and daily the thing. This is a car I couldn't even bring myself to do that with. It could be wild. Well, speaking of fast, our last video was not fast.

Woof. Oh my God. Woof. Adam, leave that in. Don't edit that out. Well, it was fun. We made a 45 minute iPhone 12 Pro video. A lot of you guys had a lot of interesting questions about that, but I thought it was really fun to make. I thought that was one of the most unique video processes because it took so long. We've never had something take that long before. Claire was at the point where every day after work, she would ask me what we worked on.

And after two weeks, she's like, there's no way you're still working on that iPhone video, are you? Yeah, yeah, no, that was it. So it turned out to be about 47 minutes long. There wasn't really any sort of a goal of a time to reach. It was more of just like an exhaustive, here's a bunch of things I've wanted to say about this phone

and the iPhone in general that don't make it into the review because a review is in its core, a balancing act of like trying to talk to YouTube subscribers and people shopping for the phone at the same time. There's just no way to put everything in a 10 minute video. So here's all the stuff. And we just spilled it all in one video.

And this was a fun exercise to me in like, making long videos has always been really interesting because I've watched a lot of really good long videos. But how do you keep engagement for that long through a video? How can you keep a video interesting for that long? And what is even a good topic to talk about in a long-form video in the first place? I'll call it a long-form video. And so the iPhone is even a good topic to talk about in a long form video in the first place? I'll call it a long form video. And so the iPhone felt like a natural place to

start. I know a lot of people have heard everything about the iPhone before, so maybe there's nothing new in this video, but for a lot of us, it was a really good exercise, I think. And we have some interesting, you know, notes on that process. Like you said, it's, it's a pretty easy one to pick. It would make no sense for us to pick a totally new topic and then also a totally new kind of style of video by going that long. So it would have taken even longer. Yeah. Let us pick something we're more familiar with. And you have tons of stuff to talk about, so it makes perfect sense. But a lot of people were wondering about analytics in that just, and we were wondering about it. This is our first time releasing anything remotely that long. I think I was was looking back we've hit 20 minutes before but it's been maybe once in the last three

years so to double that is wildly different for the channel and i haven't even really gotten to see any of these analytics yet so i'm wondering where people dropped out or where things spiked or if they made it to the end at all? Yeah, it's fun. So I guess when I say 45 minute video, you don't really expect people to often make it to the end. This video has well over 3 million views. When you think there's a 45 minute video, 3 million people clicked on it. How many people do you think made it to the end? Probably not very many, but it turns out about, let me see if I actually scroll to the end here, 15% of you actually made it to the end of the video,

which is cool. Bravo, bravo. Bravo. The average view duration of all of those people was about 12 minutes. And average view duration is one of those metrics. People look at a lot of metrics on YouTube about, oh, you run a channel.

What are the things you want to optimize for? Videos are getting longer. Obviously YouTube prioritizes watch time. If you keep people on the site longer, you can serve them more ads. Let's make good longer videos that have mid-rolls show up at the top. This video doesn't have any mid-rolls. So I'm not sure how that plays into this, you know, will it be pushed by the algorithm thing? But I think the most interesting thing that I noticed was when the 45 minute video hits the subscription box, it performed about average because it's

a combination of, oh, cool, an iPhone video, but also, oh, wow, 45 minutes. I'll come back to this. And over time, after the first day, it started to improve its performance. And after two days, it latched onto a little bit of better performance and actually risen to the top. And so I think this is people who are setting aside the time to watch it later, plus people who are finding it in search or just seeing it and explore and going, oh, I have time for this. So it's interesting. I wonder if like a super short video has the opposite curve, like a really big initial spike, and then people just

don't care after. We've been talking about that with YouTube shorts and how we're not really sure why it gets put onto your regular channel. And we've talked also about how like average view duration and all that helps when you have a longer time. So this long video obviously should potentially help the channel. But then if you put a YouTube short on that's only 60 seconds long, even if people watch the whole thing, it tanks your view duration. Like, are we now harming the channel? It's a very, it's a very unknown question because the, no one knows what the algorithm actually says. It's a sort of a black box. But if the question of two metrics are very important, which do you prioritize comes up? The two metrics are average view duration. You want that to be high and average

watch percentage. You want that to be high. So average watch percentage, you want that to be high. So for a normal video, if you watch the whole thing, if it's a long video, that's great. For YouTube shorts, which are, you said 60 seconds, that'll be very long for YouTube short. Most of them are four to 15 seconds. They have exceptionally high average view durations, or sorry, they have exceptionally high percentages,

often 100%, even higher, because if people watch it twice, that's 200%. And they have extremely low average view durations. So will this combination of super high and super low, ultimately balance out? Will it harm the channel? Will it help it? That remains to be seen because of how new shorts are. People are kind of diving in headfirst. Some people are making new channels for them. Some people are just putting them on the main channel experimenting. I'm keeping my eye on all of that. I don't have an answer yet, but I think that's the question. I know they want to keep the algorithm fairly secretive so people aren't gaming the system, but by doing that, it makes people scared to try some of these new features that they're

throwing out there. Like the reason we haven't posted a short is because we're pretty worried it could affect the rest of our videos and recommend it. And when people have their jobs on the like when this is a full time job for people, it's scary to just try and try out some of these new features because you could be tanking your income just to try and post a 60 second video to test it out. Yeah, there's a there's a feature called premieres, right? So this is there's another thing we're wondering, where we're like, we don't want to do a premiere just to do premiere, but

wouldn't it be really cool if there was like a special video where we want to reveal something where everyone sees it at once. So we'll do a premiere. So premiere is essentially a live stream that as soon as it ends, lands in the subscription box as a finished live stream as a vod so you can just watch it like a normal video so something like uh the smartphone awards or maybe uh maybe our blind smartphone camera test we were like that would be a really good premiere we tried it with that yeah and the reason i was hesitant to try it is because i've seen a ton of premieres on youtube and I've talked to a bunch of YouTubers and they always underperform the second the live stream is over,

which is fascinating to me. And we don't know why. Is it because the people watching as soon as they're done leave and don't count as a view? And so the first one to two hours are lost traffic because people who were watching already saw it. We don't really know, but we tried it with our own. We did this for the blind smartphone camera test.

Sure enough, I saw the same pattern. It was the same thing we expected. It was a 20 minute live stream, fantastic engagement, super fun, big moments in the video, people all commenting about, we got to chat with everybody. People are tweeting about it.

We're replying. It's super fun. Video ends, it goes live, terrible first hour performance because everyone who is that engaged and would click in the first hour yeah already saw it is there a fix for this is there a way youtube can encourage like i don't know if there's an algorithmic solution here but then i didn't do it for the smartphone awards yeah it's also weird because if you tune in like not right when it starts then you're halfway through and i'm sure

there's a lot of people who are like it's halfway through i don't want to watch the end i want to start from the beginning and then they like you see kind of like the iphone video you said they save it for later and then go watch it again so that's going to destroy your early metrics when it comes to the video it also doesn't help that it was in 720 uh oh live streams yeah yeah i'm sure plenty of people also left because the live stream was only in 720. Oh, live streams, yeah. Yeah, I'm sure plenty of people also left because the live stream was only in 720. Really? I bet people left because of that. Huh. I think the entire chat was

like, just, what is this? What is this? It's 720. Where's 4K? That's the chat, but are they just saying that because that's the thing that they can definitely comment on and everyone can resonate with? I'm not someone who can translate quick chat like that. We'll have to get a Twitch, a full-time Twitch streamer in here to try and help us figure

that out. But yeah, but yeah, no, that was, that was our, our finding. So yeah, there's all kinds of interesting algorithmic questions. Ultimately the long iPhone video has, has been really great. I think it's performed well and I think we've learned a lot from it. And I think going forward, the gears are turning about what types of videos are gonna be good for the long form format.

Stories are awesome. Finding like really good stories, really good products, really good people. I think that's gonna be the easy part. And like the hard part is turning them into that video. I can't wait for that. I think we're gonna have more. It's like that middle of,

is it a regular 10 minute video or is that a podcast? Like it's somewhere in between where it needs way more visual and like B-roll and I'm sure we'll find them. We've hired a couple of people that I think will help us out with that. And also if there's any ideas, like we always say this, like Twitter is probably the best way to reach us,

but specifically for this episode, if you have, because we did the iPhone, right? The obvious, the easy one. We do smartphone videos. We'll do the Android next. Yeah. Well, obviously that's an option. But yeah, if you have ideas for long form stuff you want to see covered, I don't want

like the generic answer of like, do this other device or do this other phone. But if there are other stories or other things that deserve more light of day or a longer time than they usually get. That's what I'm interested in hearing about. So tweeted us at WVFRM. Let us know. What should the next long form videos be? NFTs.

Oh, God. Well, yeah. Well, without any further ado, let's take a quick ad break. We'll come back and we have sort of a trivia game. David and Adam have been writing questions that Andrew and I have not seen on various topics on tech and maybe on YouTube. We don't really know what they are, but we're going to have a sort of a mini trivia off and see if Andrew or I is better equipped to answer them. We'll find out after the break.

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how many questions are there so currently we have let's see we've got 12 questions but we also have some bonus questions which are not numbered okay This is the way that this game show currently, in its current form, is going to work. Basically, we're just starting with one of you and asking you a question. If they get it wrong, it'll pass to the other person. And we're just going to kind of try to rally that. You can steal. You can steal.

And then there are also bonus questions. Oh, they're lifelines. Oh, interesting. Call Brandon. Call Marques. Oh, interesting. Call Brandon. Yeah. Call Marques. But the bonus questions are more geared towards you as individuals because, you know, the questions are mostly about like videos that we've done on the channel, but also just some general tech stuff more near the end. So my confidence level right now, out of 10, it started at like a 10.

I think I'm at like a 7. I'm confident I should know everything reasonable to be known about the channel, right? And then all, you know, tech stuff that surrounds it, maybe almost a 10, but I'm giving myself like a 7 point something. Like my confidence going in is I consider myself someone with pretty good memory, but the more I think about that, the more I just assume I have really good memory and I don't know if I've ever really had that checked that hard.

So I feel like this is going to be a pretty hard check and my confidence has plummeted. I will say some of these are a little hard. Okay. Oh boy. I think we'll- I've say some of these are a little hard. Okay. Oh, boy. I've got like a four out of ten confidence going into this. I blame Adam for making the hard questions. Good.

No, I'm all for. I'm so ready. Yeah. Let's do it. All right. So for context, we started all these questions, if they're referencing the channel, are related to videos that happened after Andrew joined.

Okay. Just to make sure. Mavic. That's more fair. DJI Mavic, first video I was part of. Yes, exactly. One point for Andrew. Let's go on the board already.

It was about four years ago. That video was called Dope Tech, The Best Drones. So question one, which is for Marques. In that Best Drones video, where you guys worked together, who else was working with you guys during the shoot? Who else was working with us during the shoot? That is currently on the team?

Or that was with us there? Just with you at the shoot. So I remember Dom Esposito was there. Is that your final answer? And he helped us shoot the video. So that's my final answer, Dom Esposito. Shout out to Mac Mixing. Yeah, that's who it is.

It's Dom. Also, there was no one else on the team back then because it was my first day. Yeah. Correct. Hey, all right. All right. So that's one point for Marques and Andrew.

You know what? The thing about collabs is like, I feel like I've watched so many other YouTubers' videos that I almost feel like I know a lot of them. Sometimes it's actually really surprising. You'll be at an event and you realize, oh, this is the first time we've actually met. Oh, we, we haven't actually collaborated on anything. Oh, we totally should. Like it's, it's almost really surprising to me. So yeah, uh, we've, we've worked with Dom, we've worked with a lot of tech people, but at the same, at the same time, there's lots of people who I'd love to work with that. I feel like

it would be a surprise that we realize we haven't yet. I got to meet a lot of people like really quickly. I mean, my first was with Dom. I'd been watching Casey for years and I met him like in the first two months of working here. So it's really fun to meet a bunch of people you've watched for a long time. All right. Question two. Apple's WWDC 2017.

Question two. Apple's WWDC 2017. You guys made a video called the top five things announced at Apple WWDC 2017. What was the thumbnail for that video? This is my question. To Andrew first. Top five things WWDC. Was I?

No. Wait. Oh, man. I feel like i picture it but no i'm picturing an iphone but that would be a september event i i'm totally blanking i i have no idea i don't know i know good luck most of the top fives there's usually a number five in the thumbnail. I'm guessing this one had that. 2017 Summer. I'm trying to remember. I wasn't at WWDC. Okay, in my mind, it's the Mac Pro.

But I'm trying to think extra hard because the Mac Pro came out. The Mac Pro was unveiled at WWDC long before we actually got to see it in person. But they had like a model of it there that we got to, it was like an exploded model of the Mac pro and we got to take videos of it. And then we like never saw it again for like another year while I finished working on it. So if I'm remembering this correct, I don't remember what year that was though. I don't think it was that long ago. It's gotta be before the Mac pro. Oh man. I'm going to say it's the Mac Pro, but I think I'm wrong.

Can I get half a point for saying he's wrong? That's easy. I don't know what it is, but I know he's wrong. Are you willing to take a half point deduction if he's right? Yes. I'm pretty sure I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure it's before.

I don't think it's the Mac Pro. I think it's pre-Mac Pro, but that's all I can think of for a WWC top five. I can't take a point from him if he's just guessing based on that, I feel like. I think that's too early for Mac Pro. I do too. All right. David, what is it?

It's killing me. Wait, what's your final answer? My final answer would be it's probably me in a hotel room on half the frame and the Mac Pro on the other half and it's a number five in the middle or something like that. Correct. Really? Mac Pro the Mac Pro on the other half and it's a number five in the middle, something like that. Correct! Really? Mac Pro? Mac Pro. Wow. Can I see it? Yeah, I want to see it really bad. Well, it might be...

Oh, iMac Pro. Well, iMac Pro. Whoa, whoa, whoa, not correct. Buzzer. Buzzer. This is Adam's fault. iMac Pro and Mac Pro. I was debating saying iMac. Oh, I remember the iMac Pro thumbnail. There's a bunch of people in the background in the shadows and the iMac Pro is in like this spot. Oh, it's like dark and it's on that like white pedestal. Yeah.

No points. No points for me. No points. Wait, wait, wait, wait. So what is that then? That's the iMac Pro. That's the iMac Pro. That's what I had.

The Mac Pro. You put the Mac Pro. No, there's an I there. Oh. Oh. Wrong. Okay. All right.

Question three and we're going to start with Marques. Okay. So, I'm going to start put the Mac Pro. No, there's an I there. Oh. Oh. Wrong. Okay. All right. Question three, and we're going to start with Marques again. On June 20th, 2017, you uploaded the OnePlus 5 review. To the nearest second, how long was that video?

Oh my God. Oh, okay. I can math this out. I can figure this out. OnePlus can, I can figure this out. One plus five review, you said, right? Okay. One plus five. If I remember that phone, headphone.

It's got the fingerprint reader on the back. It's got, I'm trying to remember the thumbnail. One plus five. Had fairly big bezels on the front. No, 5T had it on the back. Oh, they moved to the front at the bottom. I know this is clear. just upgraded from her 5. The review.

So the review is typically longer. I don't know if I'm going to be able to get to the second. I would love to get the minute right, though. That's my goal right here. In 2017. I'll give you half a point if you get the minute. Okay, okay. Reviews were a little shorter back then.

Typically, a review today is anywhere from like 11 to 16. But if I'm remembering correctly, which I hope I am, they were a little bit shorter back then they were probably averaging somewhere from seven to 13. OnePlus phone back then came out once a year. So there's a little bit more to say sometimes if there's like medium like like t phones in between like the 3t and then the 5 there's a little bit less info to say uh so maybe this is like a six month type thing i'm talking about what's new i'm gonna guess it's a little on the shorter end so let me go uh let me go eight minute range eight minutes and 24 seconds is my random guess. What's Andrew's? I would say like 8 to 9 minutes

feels like a range back then for a review and I remember a lot of videos being very very close to 10 but not going over and it was kind of like this badge of honor to be like haha we didn't go for the extra midroll like we are not money grubbing

YouTubers. Yeah, this was back in the day where you only got to insert a mid-roll in a video if it was over 10 minutes long. 10 minutes and one second, right? I forgot that that only changed recently. That was very recent, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, if you made a video that was 10 minutes and one second long, everyone would go, oh, look at you, extending the video for no reason.

Whether there were or weren't mid-rolls on it, yeah. I'm going to guess 9.57. Okay. It is 10 minutes and 9 seconds. Wow. So Andrew was really close.

Yeah. Within 20 seconds. I'm close but my whole reasoning was specifically wrong if you think about it. Right under, right over.

Same thing. We are money hungry YouTubers. I knew it. I'm going to give Andrew three quarters of a point for that. Yeah, that's pretty good. I'll take it. Nice work.

I'm currently down one quarter of a point. Okay. No, no. Marquez is at one point. Yeah, I didn't get them. I'm down one quarter. Oh. So, yeah, sorry.

That was just a poor way of putting it. It's one to three quarters. Wait, wait, wait. No, didn't you get one point? They both got the first one right. They both said down. Oh, yeah. So, it's one point. Oh, both people get it. Wait, no. Didn't you get one point? They both got the first one right. They both said Dom. Oh, yeah. So it's one point.

Oh, both people get. Oh, okay. He gets just as much credit for confirming my answer as I got for answering. That's why we go back and forth. Oh, wow. Okay. Okay, yeah. Well, we'll smooth this out over time.

Yeah, that's fine. This is really reminding me of like Whose Line Is It Anywhere, where the points don't matter and the rules are made up. Ultimately, it doesn't matter. It's a rough draft. It's a rough me of like Whose Line Is It Anywhere, where the points don't matter and the rules are made up. Ultimately, it doesn't matter. It's a rough draft. It's a rough draft. Okay. Bonus question.

And we're going to start with Andrew for the bonus question because the last regular question was Marques. July 24th, 2020. Episode 5, Season 1, Autofocus. It was about the Tesla Model Y. In the last five months, so all together, how many views does that video have? Oh, and the bonus questions I should have said are multiple choice. So, yeah. I remember the thumbnail and the title, by the way, of that video.

There's a lot to unpack about that video. I'll listen for the answers first and then I'll think out. All right. So, we got A, 3.1 million views. B, 5 million views. C, 1.9'll think. All right. So we got a 3.1 million views, B 5 million views, C 1.9 million views or D 7 million views. I'm going to say C 1.9 million. And there's a lot about that video. When you first said July, 2020, I said I wasn't working here or like we were on our quarantine break from that. You said autofocus. And I said, we didn't here or like we were on our quarantine break from that. You said autofocus.

And I said, we didn't shoot anything anywhere near July. But that was actually something we shot in February right before quarantine. Oh, that's a fun little fact. Because Model Y got delayed, we weren't allowed to release our video. So we were sitting on that footage for a very long time. And then I think they eventually they let us have one here. Right. Yeah. And we got think they eventually, they let us have one here, right? Yeah.

And we got to shoot a little more. But I also think because of that, it was weirdly the Y still got announced, but we weren't allowed to release our video on it. So that's what I'm guessing on the lower end of views for it. Because I think it missed out on the hype. It wasn't like our Model 3 where we were some of the first. We were supposed to be.

We were out in fremont like with the model y when they were still like hiding it at one of their off things uh like centers somewhere where drones couldn't fly yeah exactly like we were inside this building and like you said the thumbnail is in a building geo edited the back of it out to make it look really clean it's a sweet thumbnail that was in febru was in February. Red Model Y looked absolutely great. But I think since it came out months after all the hype, it's on the lower end. Yeah. When you first read autofocus Model Y, I had 3.1 million in my head, but your logic makes a lot of sense. And I think you're probably right. That's 1.9 million. I remember we shot a lot of that stuff around here with the a7S III right around when that came out.

And so we got to say, hey, look, a7S III footage in this video. So a lot of interesting things from that combined shoot. But I think for the sake of points, if I agree and we're both wrong, there's no points. And if I go with a different answer and I'm wrong, only you get points. So I'm going to agree

because I think you have a good shot. 3.1 stood out, but I still am just voting for the lower. I think it's 1.9. Yeah, I think you're right. And it is 3.1. Oh, no. No.

Oh, my. No. I mean, yay. Great. Great, right? Andrew doesn't get any points. I wish we didn't get that extra million views. Yeah. Wow, okay mean, yay. Great. Great, right? Andrew doesn't get any permission. I wish we didn't get that extra million views. Yeah.

Wow, okay. All right. Next bonus question, moving on to Marquez. What is your second most viewed video? OnePlus 6T review. Wow. Wait, wait, wait. Does this count?

That's incorrect. Oh. No, but it's multiple choice. Oh, okay. Wait, but hold on. Wait, wait, wait. Before we hear multiple choice, it's not?. Oh, okay. Wait, but hold on. Wait, wait, wait. Before we hear multiple choice, it's not?

It started with the fold. It's fold unboxing. Yeah, fold unboxing past the 6T. But 6T was only there because OnePlus, without telling us, paid for it to be the pre-roll ad on like a million videos. And it just shot up. They're both over 20 million. So those are all super inflated. I was going to make a joke about it being because they're all really inflated.

Okay, I got to hear these multiple choice now because I know which one it's not. Okay. A, Apple iPhone X unboxing. B, AirPods Max unboxing and impressions. C, PlayStation 5 unboxing and accessories. Or D, Talking Tech with Elon Musk. Second most viewed of all time is one of those? Since Andrew started.

So of the videos that have been uploaded since you started, which one has the second most views? But I'm still confused because I... So I'm gonna, I'm pretty, is this Andrew's question by the way or mine? No, this is your question. Okay, so my logic is the PlayStation has the most views since you started.

That's over 12 million views on a video. That's gotta be number one on a video. That's got to be number one. So of those next, Talking Tech with Elon's at about 11 million. So I think that's right below it. Then AirPods Max is under 10 million, I'm pretty sure. And what was the other one? iPhone 10 unboxing. iPhone 10 unboxing. Oh, that is a, that one has like 11 million also. iPhone 10 unboxing. That was one of the, that might be number one. That might have more than 12 million.

Interesting. It's either the iPhone 10 unboxing or the PlayStation 5 because both of those have more than the other two. Interesting. Okay. I'm, and just to clarify, the question is, which is the second most viewed video that has been uploaded since Andrew started? Yes.

Okay. I'm going to go with iPhone 10 unboxing at 11 million. Do I get to say? Yeah. I'm confused here because I was present for, I think every top video that I've checked in the last one till probably like the 14th or 15th, which should be the self-healing Motorola phone, I was not here for. The G Flex?

Okay, the LG G Flex 2. I was not here for that. And when I think of the most popular videos that are on the channel, it should be full doneboxing, OnePlus 6T. Then it gets into, I believe, Fold Impressions. And then it's like, I think it's like Fold. No, not even Destroyed.

I would guess the next closest one in all the ones you have is like the PlayStation. Yeah, it's actually the PlayStation. I was also here for iPhone X 10 unboxing and that is high because that was like the first redesign and it is really high up there um but actually i'm confused in me starting because i really don't think any of those are the second most popular video on the channel the second most popular after you joined yeah let's just yeah let's just go go with the list that I have. Yeah, let's just go with that. The list that you have, which is the highest.

Okay, out of the four, what is the most viewed video? I'm guessing it was PlayStation 5, iPhone X, unboxing. X and change. Talking Tech with Elon

is over 11. Yeah, but I think both of those are over. AirPods Max is like eight. Yeah, AirPods Max is last. Then I would say Elon and then I'm between I think it's

PlayStation 1, to Elon the thing about the Elon interview is that one has like very slowly been creeping up over time because Elon does something in the views spike yeah but I don't think it's spiked but not the kind of like the PlayStation spike spiked right but I'm just thinking like where it sits now on the all-time list probably it probably was well under 10 million and then like every month it's it's bumped up a little bit on that list to the point where i'm pretty sure both videos we did now with elon are over 10 million i don't know exactly where they sit but i think we might be surprised by that number

why am i forgetting the other video we did with you? One was the interview. One was the factory tour. They both independently get traction, like just kind of all the time. Oh, okay. So I, I, I think that one's probably around 10 to 11 million. I know where the PS five is at. I'm very confident that's between 12 and 13 AirPods max, I think is eight. I know it's under 10 I don't know what that is and then yeah that's where I think they all sit so what's your rank

of those of the ones listed no not total views just like most popular least popular your tier list oh okay

that would be PlayStation 5 unboxing is the most viewed of those four then what was the third one it's Elon iPhone 10

oh then I would say it's Elon. Oh, where does the iPhone unboxing? iPhone 10. iPhone 10 unboxing could be like 19 million. I think it could be crazy high. I think it could be that. I think it's high.

I don't think it's that high. I think iPhone 10 unboxing is actually the top. Then PlayStation 5. Then Elon Musk. Then AirPods Max. I'm going PlayStation, iPhone, Elon, AirPods is my guess. But I do think I'm really torn between the iPhone 10 and the PlayStation. Is the iPhone 10 at the top?

That question. It only took about five minutes No I like it I hope people just enjoyed us arguing for that long I'm sorry if you didn't That's my bad It's all good Excel Okay

This is a fun answer because Marques actually got it exactly correct Okay The list was exactly correct iPhone on top Yeah you're very wrong unfortunately But it's iPhone X unboxing PlayStation 5 Elon Musk Musk, AirPods Max.

Yeah, okay. But you may be surprised to know that the AirPods Max video now has 11 million views. Oh, wow. Holy smokes. Okay. And the iPhone X unboxing is 16 million. Elon Musk is 12, and PlayStation 5 is around 12, but a little higher. Yeah.

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I'm going to give this to Andrew first. August 6, 2019? Wow, you answered that really fast. That was fast. Huh. The question mark at the end of your answer makes me... I'm 100 exact date i'm not exactly sure i have two other dates in my head wow august 2019 remember that i am saying full length right because we had the teaser drop that was a good solid week about before the first episode and that's when it was on YouTube with its own teaser, then the full length episode was a week later. So now knowing that, that doesn't help me because

I don't really know when the teaser happened, but let me go with July 15th, 2019. Andrew, I will give you a reguess because I think you thought it was the teaser. Well, now I almost feel like you letting me do that means I'm wrong. And then I would just act like one week later. I know it's August. I know it's not July. Oh, really? Yeah. Ooh, okay.

What event were you at? You were at the Samsung event, I think. Remember the first episode we did? We thought we could just release it the week after but we were contracted to release it on that day so you were in california on wednesday you flew home for us to record it on thursday you flew back an hour later and i edited the whole thing and sent it out to studio 71. so like yeah it was a brutal first episode um Studio 71.

So like it was a brutal first episode. I'm just going to stick with August 6th. There's a chance it might be the 9th or the 3rd. For some reason, those numbers come out to my head, but I'm going to stick with 6th. I have to go 13th just because of your logic and I'm adding a week. Whoa, who said he can change his answer? All right, fine. He already said July. Fine.

All right. August 9th. Wow. I'm giving you two points for that. The fact that you even came up with that date is impressive. Bravo. Do you know I also kind of remember not too long ago we went through all our videos to decide when the last video was that didn't reach a million and Marques found it and it's

just like, he just went, oh, you know which one it is. And I was like, oh no, it's the waveform one, isn't it know which one it is and i was like oh no it's the waveform one isn't it it was the waveform announcement on youtube yeah so yeah yeah all right pretty cool so all you all you listeners listening thank you we appreciate everyone for listening even if you didn't watch that was impressive i'm glad you got that one that was good yeah that was very i didn't really get it but but close. I mean, look. It was one of the things I said. When I was on the Wikipedia page for Waveform, which exists apparently, it's a full page. Do they say anything nice about us?

Well, it's fact-based. Just lists things probably. But on the Wikipedia page, it did say that the teaser was released on the 6th. Oh, okay. And then the first full episode was released on the Wikipedia page, it did say that the teaser was released on the 6th. Oh, okay. And then the first full episode was released on the 9th. So when I, well, I assume teaser would have been a week before, but no, that makes sense. Only three days. All right.

Question five, over to Marques. The Samsung Galaxy S10e thumbnail was a picture of you holding the phone up to the camera. What was the wallpaper on the thumbnail? It was that robot from that movie. I'm trying to remember the name of the movie, but that big balloon white robot. What was the movie called? Big Hero 6 or something?

The big hero robot character, balloon pillow guy. That guy. He had the hole punch cut out of his eye. I think Big Hero 6. I was thinking WALL-E at first, but I think we used a WALL-E. That whole video, we used a bunch of thumbnails that hid the,

and we had like a, I think we had a robot shot that, maybe not. It was in the robot room we were showing it off. Yeah. That was in the early days of hole punch camera novelty wallpapers, so that was a pretty good one.

I remember that one. I was thinking about that phone the other day. That's a great phone. Yeah. Oh, I just agreed with him. Okay. The answer is Baymax from Big Hero 6. Baymax.

Oh, I didn't know what his name. Yeah, I forgot the name. But you each get a point for that. I'll give you both points. I remember that phone now. I also actually remember that phone now. I don't know why. That's very weird.

That's a good one. All right. What phone won fun of the year in 2018. andrew starts what note was it nine note nine 2018. wait 18 or 19. 18. marcus is focusing no no no no no one plus one plus was that seven t that oh no oh man one plus eight was last year seven was Oh, man. OnePlus 8 was last year. 7 was...

6... I don't think 6T won it. Note 9 is my guess. Okay. Interesting. Okay. I have to do some reverse math. So, phone of the year this past year, 2020, was Galaxy S20 FE.

Mm-hmm. Phone of the year the year before that, which was 2019, was OnePlus 8 Pro. Phone of the year before that, 2019 is the year in question. I'm a little more... 2018 is the year in question. Oh, 2018 is the year in question? Okay. So 2020 was S20 FE.

2019 was OnePlus 8 Pro. So 2018, the year in question. I'm a little fuzzier on, I think it's either the OnePlus 7 Pro or a Samsung phone like the S20, S9, S9, S8. I think it's the OnePlus 7 Pro. I think it's OnePlus 7 Pro.

I'm nervous he's right on that. I feel like there were two years of OnePlus, but the Note 9 had so much going for it, and it was before they ditched the headphone jack, right? So did the Note 9 ever win phone of the year? I'm not sure, actually. Yeah, I think you might be right, but I'm sticking with my answer.

It might have won big phone that year. Huh. I think. Yeah, I think that's a good split. I'm going OnePlus. Yeah, OnePlus think you might be right, but I'm sticking with my answer. It might have won Big Phone that year. Huh. I think. Yeah, I think that's a good split. I'm going OnePlus. Yeah, OnePlus 7 Pro. All right. The answer is OnePlus 6T.

6T? So both our math is just what was wrong. The way that I think that this happened is that because 2020 was such a black hole of a year. Probably. Everything just gets shifted by a year. Tech is just a black hole when you try and really look back at it. Wait, okay, so 2020 was Galaxy S20 FE. Yep.

2019 was OnePlus 8 Pro. Yeah, you're thinking the next, okay. 7, 7 Pro, 8, 8 Pro. Did the 8 Pro not win? What won in 2019? 8 Pro definitely won because everyone was surprised it wasn't 8. No, wait. No, no, no.

8 was last year. 7 Pro won. OnePlus 7 Pro won in 2019. Oh. And 16. I remember. I gave a shout out to the 8 Pro for being my daily phone, gave the winner to the Galaxy S20 FE in the same year.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Wow, we're just bad at math. Holy smokes. To be fair to Andrew, the Note 9 did win best big smartphone same year. Wow, we're just bad at math. To be fair to Andrew, the Note 9 did win best big smartphone that year. That was a good one. It was almost a trick question.

That was good. And I'm going to give a half point to Andrew because he got the best big smartphone. I'm getting destroyed. A little bit? I have almost no points. Okay, current score, just to stop in. Andrew's got five, Marquez has three. So not too bad.

We don't know how much each question's worth in terms of points, so it's anyone's game right now. Question seven, and we'll start with Marquez for this one. I think so, yeah. What was Bill Gates' New Year's resolution during your February 2020 interview with him? New Year's resolution specifically. You're saying, sorry, 2020?

Yep. So I remember it was kind of funny. At the beginning of that video, I remember asking him, what's new for you this year? And he said, oh, I'm going to travel a little bit less, sort of take a step back. And interestingly, three months later,

travel ban, no one can travel. Everyone went, whoa, Bill Gates just predicted this thing. This is crazy. I don't know if I specifically asked him for a new year's resolution but I do remember him saying that when I asked him about the new year so at the risk of answering too fast not thinking hard enough about the rest of that interview I do believe him resolving to travel less would be my final answer so like I agree with you but I don't want to get any points for that because I didn't know that at all until Marques said it and it rings a bell.

Like, I don't think it was a question you wrote down. I think it just kind of came up as like a part of the conversation. And yeah, I do remember. I remember it was something along the lines of like trying to not do as much of something, which probably for him just means I want to read more books and be interrupted less. Yeah. But yeah, I think Marquez is right, but don't give me any points for it. Okay.

If he is. If he's wrong, I want a million points. Marquez is correct. Okay. Is correct. And it was ironic because it was in February and the world locked down in March. So it was literally a month later. Yeah.

it was in February and the world locked down in March. So it was literally a month later. Yeah. I think in that interview, he talks really briefly about just how like he got an email about COVID. He barely briefly mentioned COVID. Yeah. It was like the most, and now thinking back to it is pretty crazy. By the way, The Daily did a podcast pretty recently about Bill Gates and just pandemics and the vaccine and everything. It was really good. Yeah. Definitely suggest checking it out if you haven't heard it already.

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How many subscribers does Vin have on YouTube? 10,000. I remember. And he's made only one video since this happened, but in the 6 million live stream we did,

which was a colossal failure on my point. It was a failure because we did a 5 million live stream to roll over to 5 million. Right.

And it went amazing. It was like, I set up this live stream. I was super proud of it. Marquez has never done a live stream before. It went really well. It was like 40 minutes long and everyone had a great time. And then for whatever reason,

I'm like, we did a one camera live stream. This went great. I'm going to do a four camera, 4k live stream for 6 million. And it just exploded. It was part of my fault. The 4k was mostly what went great. I'm going to do a four camera, 4K live stream for 6 million. And it just exploded. It was part of my fault. The 4K was mostly what went wrong. And I wanted to try to do a 4K live stream so that when it lived as a video on demand, it would be a 4K video. But 4K live stream was not

the move. Our internet could not handle it. YouTube couldn't handle it. It went down. Only half the people found the new link for it. But I remember in that while we were waiting, Vin was like the co-host with Marques on the couch. And we also were trying to get people to go to Vin's channel while we were waiting. And I know he hit 10K then. I think he's only released like one video since then. And I'm just going to assume it hasn't made it over. I'm guessing between 10 and 15.

Like maybe I'll say 11. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say your 11k came up in my head when you asked the question and then now that you explain the timing it makes sense so now that you've landed on 11k I'm just agreeing with you but I I'll say 12k for the sake of points

maybe I'm closer we'll see answer is 17,000 whoa hey there you go let's go 17.2k I get points for that because I'm closer. We'll see. Answer is 17,200. Whoa. Hey. There you go. Let's go. 17.2. I get points for that because I was closer.

Points plural meaning I probably get a half point. Well, we'll give you a point. Hey. So it's tied. It's all tied up. You're tied up. It's all tied up. You're tied up.

Price is right style. Price is right style. You didn't go over. Okay. Now, these two bonus questions, you get to bet your points. Okay. Here we go. Okay.

Here we go. So it's 5-5, is that right? It's 5-5. Okay. All right. So you can bet how many points you want. I like this. Now, is it Jeopardy style where you bet with like a category and then you hear the question

later or when do you bet? I'm just going to say you bet the number of points you want to bet before you hear the question. And you don't know anything about the question. You don't know anything about the question. You bet the number of points you want to bet before you hear the question. Okay. You know nothing about it.

All right. All right, all right. So it starts with Marquez. So how many of your five points would you like to bet? And you can also bet in increments of 0.25. Right. Okay, I like that. But Adam has to do the multiplication.

Yeah, just to make it spicy. let me bet 2.75 points. Let's go past halfway. MARK MIRCHANDANI- All right. And remember, these are multiple choice because they're bonus questions. So at least there's that. MARK MIRCHANDANI- I like that. MARK MIRCHANDANI- What Microsoft product did Comic Sans

make its debut in? MARK MANDELBAUM- Oh my god. What? What? MARK MIRCHANDAN What? These are harder. These are the hard bonus questions. Oh God. That's what you bet.

I bet. Zero. Product? We've got A, Microsoft Word, B, Microsoft Movie Maker, C, Microsoft PowerPoint, or D, Clippy. For the record, this was David's question. I think it's a good one. Microsoft Word, PowerPoint, Movie Maker, or Clippy.

So when I first started making videos, I did use Movie Maker briefly. And you know how you can spot an iMovie video from a mile away? You can hear the music, you see the transitions, you just know. That was also true about Movie a mile away. You can hear the music. You see the transitions. You just know. That was also true about Movie Maker, and Comic Sans was the default font.

Maybe it wasn't the default, but it was one of the fonts that you could just click and drag. Blue background, white text. Blue background, exactly. And you look at that, and you're like, this was made in Movie Maker. But I feel like there's no way

Comic Sans debuts in Movie Maker. It's just logistically I feel like you would probably do something like that in the Office suite. But Clippy, Clippy, throw that in there. Clippy is just like the little paper clip that shows up and bothers

you. I don't know if I... It looks like you're writing a letter. I want to be part of the conversation because it's the podcast but I sort of want to win. So I don't know how much I should talk. Clippy, I feel like I see him in my head with an Arial font. So I'm just going to go Microsoft Word. I feel like that's my safe bet.

PowerPoint. I think it's just Word. I think that's the OG. Okay. My final answer is Microsoft Word. Please let me get those points. I feel like I shouldn't get to bet though because I know the question and everything.

Yeah, no, no, no. No betting for you. You just get to think about it. I mean, like Word seems like the safe bet, but it almost seems too safe and too easy. And these are supposed to be hard. So I kind of lean towards PowerPoint, but I feel like I have way more context clues than you did.

Clippy's not a program. So not Clippy. Movie maker. I would count him as a program for this question at least. I'm not going to. Really? Clippy as a program for this question at least. I'm not going to. Really? Clippy's a program? Clippy is like an applet.

It didn't really do anything. Clippy was basically the help button on Word. Yeah, but he would just pop in whenever he felt like it. He was always running in the background. You'd write, dear mom, and it would go, it looks like you're writing a letter. Would you like to change everything about your document now? But would he run outside

of Microsoft Office Suite? I don't remember. You wouldn't pop up on your web browser, right? No, no, no. It was just a Windows thing. It was within, yeah, whatever.

I would argue if he's a programmer We'll call him a sub-program. A sub-program. I don't know. Clippy is funny. I would guess PowerPoint just because it's not Word. Did I finally answer that. I don't know. Clippy is funny. I would guess PowerPoint just because it's not Word. Did I finally answer that?

I didn't know Microsoft debuted Comic Sans by the way. That's a new fact. Yeah, that I did not know. New fact. That's funny. Alright. And the answer is Microsoft Movie Maker. Wow. I don't think it was default though. I'm pretty sure you're right. It was not default. They debuted

Comic Sans in Movie Maker. Was it called Microsoft Movie Maker before it was Windows though. I'm pretty sure you're right. It was not default. They debuted Comic Sans in Movie Maker. Was it called Microsoft Movie Maker before it was Windows Movie Maker? It was called Microsoft 3D Movie Maker. Oh boy. Wow. Well, I'm glad we both got that wrong. I never used that original.

I'll never forget those title screens though. It's like the blue screen of death color pretty much just like with white. And a lot of times it would be like the, do you know it's like the small text and then the kind of the same word and bigger font behind it but like the opacity is a little lower they would scroll past each other like an echo version of text yes i do remember that well that's a bummer the 2.75 points i lost but i learned a new fact today yeah marquez is down to 2.25 and Andrew's got 5. Okay. Alright. Andrew, your

bet bonus question. Daily double. Daily double. Alright. How much would you like to bet before? True daily. Do it. I'll go 4. Oh. Not quite all in. Okay. Not quite. Alright. The company Google is named after

an actual number. A Google. I already know the answer. It's because Adam. A Google. I already know the answer. It's because Adam made the question. I already know the answer. I'm completely lost. Okay, good. Perfect. That's exactly what we wanted.

Okay, good. I'll bet all my points. I know the answer. Okay. The word Google, which is G-O-O-G-O-L, is the number one followed by how many zeros? A, 10 zeros. B, 100 zeros. C, 1,000 zeros. Or D, 10,000 zeros. how many zeros a 10 zeros b 100 zeros c a thousand zeros or d 10 000 zeros can i write my answer before he answers because i know it i i mean i don't think you need to write it i'm pretty sure

you just know it a hundred a thousand ten a hundred a thousand and ten thousand not ten and 10,000. Not 10. I'm going to guess 1,000. 1,000 zeros. It is B100 zeros. Oh. He wrote it, yeah. No, you wrote Google is 100. It's way more than 100. Wait.

Yeah. I don't know. I feel like Google's really aiming low if they're only looking for 100 zeros. I had more confidence in them.

You remember at the bottom when Google search results usually used to have the G with a bunch of O's? It still has that. You just haven't made it to the second page in a long time. So there you go. It's too good now. Yeah, that's one of those fun facts that you just learn and don't forget.

It's like you know you're not finding something when you just click page. The first O, yeah. All right, so we've got two more questions left. The current score is Andrew, one point. Marquez, 2.25 points. How far are we falling? Okay. All right, and this isn't written in the rules,

but I'm just going to make up this rule now. These last two questions are the daily double. Okay. So you'll get two points if you win just to make it a little more intense and give Andrew a chance to win. Yeah. All right, question nine. In the blind camera shootouts, if you win just to make it a little more intense and give Andrew a chance to win. All right, question nine.

In the blind camera shootouts, what phone was the runner-up in 2019? Okay, 2020 Zenfone 1. I'm just going to go backwards based on what I know. Now, 2019 is the year in question, and had a samsung versus samsung final and i remember that the winner the the finals shot was through a glass window and the only difference between the shots was there was a slight pink or magenta cast in one of the photos because of the reflection in the window and that was why it lost so the photo that lost the the camera that lost that was the

runner-up in question is a samsung phone that was pink now the only one i remember that's pink is the S10e. And was that last year? Because we got to S20 and S21. So 2020 as S20. So S10. So S10e. That makes sense. So it was a note, I think, that won and it defeated. Let's go Samsung Galaxy S10e.

Final answer. Andrew? He's right, yeah. S10e. Is that a he's right? I was going to guess that, or he's right? Well, okay, I guessed something before because I was the wrong. No, it's the S10e, I know. Yeah, it was Samsung versus Samsung.

The year before was Huawei versus Pocophone, and Pocophone was runner up. Really? Yeah. Oh, my God. Wow. I forgot that. Yeah, S10e. I totally forgot that.

S10e, and it's because you took the picture from behind the glass of a window yeah so people were not happy about that yeah

that is correct yeah so Marquesas now now has 4.25 points and Andrew has 3 points so we are

very close alright so this is the last question and Andrew can still win because you get 2 points for it and it's going to Andrew first okay are very close. All right. So this is the last question and Andrew could still win because you get two points for

it and it's going to Andrew first. Okay. Let's hear it. This is a really easy question. That's what I like to hear.

All right. What kind of device was Andrew Android not Andrew first developed for? What kind? What kind of? This is not an easy,

I'm much better at the channel specific questions. What kind of technology was Android first developed for? Hardware. It's harder than it sounds actually. Wow. Can I say mobile devices? Is that too broad? Does that mean?

No, that's not too broad. It's a category. Like what kind of hardware? I mean, that's, I broad it's a category like what kind of hardware i mean that's that i guess that would be my guess mobile devices this is not easy i feel like yeah you baited me on that one real hard i was like okay this might be one that is like kind of a trick question slash trivia question because it makes it feel like when you think of the beginnings of android you think of t-mobile g1 you think of like early versions of android to compete against like the rest of the smartphone world like how are we

going to beat the blackberries and the palm pilots of the world here's our new android os t-mobile g1 was it was a pretty cool phone, actually. But what type of device? I feel like that's the only origin story for Android that I know, so I have to guess the same thing as you. Also, I'm winning, and if we guess the same thing, I can't lose. If you get it right and I guess the wrong thing, I can lose. So for the sake of points, I'm also going to go mobile, but I'm really curious if that's

a trick question. Oh, look at this game. Yeah. You all didn't realize we would completely destroy this game. Yeah. All right. The answer is cameras. Really?

What was the camera? I don't know if they ever even put it on the camera. Oh, really? But they developed it as a camera platform, and then Google bought it from them to use on smartphones. Huh. Cameras. Wow.

That's really interesting. We did eventually get the Galaxy camera that one time. Yeah. It was all right. There was a camera phone. It took pictures. Yeah. It did the thing.

It did photos. Wow. All right. So that's it for the first Galaxy game show. Galaxy game show. Galaxy game show. I like that. Although Samsung might, I don't know, not sponsored. And the final total, Andrew with three, Marques with 4.25.

So congrats to Marques for winning the first Waveform trivia show. What does he get? You guys got a prize, right? You get your name in the credits of this episode. You get to tweet whatever you want from the Waveform podcast account. We'll figure this out later. Go follow Marques on YouTube.

There it is. Click subscribe. That was fun. I liked that a lot. I think we'll do more versions of that. I've turned into that old person and I'm only saying this because the commercials are all for old people products, but I'm that old person that watches GSN and just watches game shows at night now which is like extremely lame to admit because I'm like not watching good quality entertainment

what's the hot game show right now uh I mean it's always the staples are always hot so Jeopardy and Family Food and Wheel of Fortune are like a lock they're always beyond but once in a while you'll see like a random like new show like uh masterminds or you'll see like a there's just like just daily knowledge shows okay america says is kind of somewhere in the middle there where it's kind of the same thing as family food but a different format so long story short i enjoy the game show format and i think we should do this more often because it's pretty engaging. You guys can listen along, and maybe you know the answers

and you're yelling at your speaker, as I am failing to know that it was cameras before smartphones. But, yeah. Despite not winning, I did say I thought I had a good memory, and I think I kind of confirmed that. I was very impressed. On a side 2019. In terms of the channel-specific things, I'm pretty proud. Yeah, that was good. I'll take it. I was very impressed. In terms of the channel specific things.

I'm pretty proud. Yeah, that was good. I'll take it. That was good. We're all winners here. All right. That was good. Maybe we'll get like

a new theme of questions or whatever for next time. Yeah, I think theme version could be fun. Yeah, cool. That's been it for Waveform episode 54. Fun fact,

that's the number I have good memory to. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. We'll catch you guys in the next one. Waveform is produced by Adam Molina. Our special game show host today was David Amell. We are partnered with Studio 71

and our intro outro music was created by Cameron Barlow.