Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - The New Apple Pencil is Really Confusing

Episode Date: October 20, 2023

There was a lot that happened this week! Not only did the Tesla Cybertruck event get announced, but there was also a new Analogue N64 that was teased, a new USB-C Apple Pencil, and a slew of new YouTube features announced. Then Marques, Andrew, and David discuss the new OnePlus Open and the Meta Ray-Ban glasses. Of course, we wrap it all up with some tech trivia. Enjoy! Links: Cybertruck Event: https://bit.ly/eloncybertruckannouncement Analogue Teaser: https://bit.ly/analogueteaser MKBHD OnePlus Open review: https://bit.ly/mkbhdoneplusopen Mr. Mobile OnePlus Open: https://bit.ly/MrMobileOnePlus MKBHD Mixed Reality: https://bit.ly/mkbhdsmartglasses Shop products mentined: OnePlus Open https://geni.us/u9D0r Meta Quest 3 https://geni.us/pmTvc Ray-Ban Meta Glasses https://geni.us/fA1Q Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Instagram/Threads/Twitter: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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intro so I am in California right now San Diego for an ultimate frisbee tournament it's nationals actually so that's why I'm out of town a little bit early so what you're about to watch is a podcast recorded on Tuesday instead of the normal Wednesday and what that means is we recorded that right before the news dropped of the Cybertruck delivery event officially happening. And it's going to be November 30th in Austin, Texas. Austin, I think? Yeah, Austin. So what you're going to see is people who don't know that's about to get announced. But I just wanted to pop in remotely and say, told you so.

Now, there are still some questions. We don't know, number one, exactly how many deliveries there will be. They're gonna do some sort of event, I imagine, kind of like the Model 3 event, but is it gonna be 25? Is it gonna satisfy our bet of 25 before the end of the year? I think so, but we don't know.

And then the other is, Andrew's thing of, does this count as a delivery if you have to go to pick it up? Is it a pickup or a delivery? I mean, it's a pickup up. Is it a pick up or a delivery? I mean, it's a pick up, but is it a pick up? Is it a pick up pick up? Sorry, it's a doubt joke. Anyway, we're going to go ahead and finish this tournament off,

hopefully over the next couple of days. So wish us luck. Pride of New York if you want to follow us, USAUNationals. But just wanted to jump in real quick at the top and say, yeah, sounds about right. Anyway, take it away. Hey, what is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. This week, we've got some new tech. We've also got some new stories, some new features, some YouTube updates.

Apparently, 30 new features coming your way. So if you're watching on YouTube, some stuff showing up here. Wow. But also, new Apple Pencil, new OnePlus Open. That's the name of the phone. And some new meta stuff that we all actually kind of like. Yeah. Which is pretty cool.

Which feels wrong. It's good. Don't tell anyone. No, I'm rooting for good stuff to come out. Even if it's from companies who have done horrible things. But first, someone has to explain this analog N64 to me because it's very hyped, people have been talking about it at the studio, and I don't know why it's so hyped. So someone please explain what this is.

Back when we had childhoods. Have you heard of nostalgia? I'm aware of a concept. It sells very well. It does. Oh, so this, so Analog made the Pocket, which was like a Game Boy, but like modernized. That's my best interpretation. Much bigger, brighter screen. You could play games off of a micro SD card, so you could play ROMs

on it. It was like a pocketable. But what they did was cool was you could still play if you had your old game boy cartridges yeah i was imagining that so you can put an old cartridge in the new thing and it works that's cool yeah yeah so is this like a nintendo 64 but the same thing so you know what's ironic about this um even nintendo is bad at emulating nintendo 64 games because it's very difficult to emulate them but there's this technology called FPGAs that's been getting very popular recently that allows you to directly like emulate it like

it's basically emulating the hardware instead of just emulating it in code and so that's what analog is doing so people have had trouble making 64 emulators for like a while um or getting them to run at a good frame rate without any glitches because even nintendo on the nintendo switch has if you have um switch plus yeah the one online one online switch online you can play nintendo 64 games but a lot of them like aren't really up to snuff with the original um so yeah analog is now making a modernized n64. They haven't announced much. They just said it's an N64. It's coming out in 2024,

and it will have 4K resolution, which feels kind of wild because if it's just the same games. But if it's just like, imagine playing like Wave Runner or Mario 64 just in 4K. It's just like, but it's still just blocks.

Blocks, yeah. It's just bigger four blocks four k blocks ray tracing is there a price do they say any uh no there's barely even a picture it's just like enough of the side of the console to know what it is um but did you ever play the n64 no i don't think i've ever even ocarina of time known anyone The greatest game of all time. No, I've never... I don't think I've played an N64. Yeah. Unless we did one for RetroTech and I'm forgetting,

I don't think I've ever even touched an N64. It's not retro enough to be on RetroTech, I don't think. I hope it's not. If it is, I'm going to be real sad. It's super retro, but it's not like the original game console. Fair. But we had a Sega Genesis and that wasn't originally... Yeah, but Genesis and NES are around the same generation, right? I don't know is genesis around n64 time i thought it was maybe it is

i literally i think it's a little before i'm trying to imagine i'm sorry in my yeah someone's gonna cancel me i remember playing the genesis at my cousins but i believe it was pretty old at that or was older at that point and then i remember a friend getting then 64 like i think it was 96 when the 64 came out yeah but 96 sega released the genesis in 89 in japan yeah yes that's more nes territory okay um but the nintendo 64 was the first 64-bit console which allowed for 3d games and that kind of stuff. I'm embarrassed to not know that. That's what I do remember from Retro Tech. But a ton of insanely legendary games came out. Super Mario 64, legendary. Super Smash Bros., the first one ever, legendary.

Earthworm Jim. Earthworm Jim, legendary. Zelda Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask, considered the best Zelda games of all time by me. Goldeneye. Earthworm Jim just sent me down a whole rabbit hole in my head And Majora's Mask considered the best Zelda games of all time by me. GoldenEye. GoldenEye. Earthworm Jim just sent me down a whole rabbit hole in my head that I didn't know was there. I did not make that up.

Have you ever seen him? No, I've definitely never seen Earthworm Jim. Let's pull up Earthworm Jim. Was this even necessary before or was this in... How do you describe how he looks like, Marques? Dude, it's a worm in a muscle suit. I don't know. That's right.

It's weird. It's funny because I think this may have been out before N64. I feel like... You might be right. I don't even think this is who I'm thinking of. Does anyone remember... Do you think of Battle Worms or whatever? No, do you remember there was this Clay Fighter game on the N64

that was horrible? Yeah, it like this Clay Fighter game on the N64 that was like horrible? Yeah, it was called Clay Fighters 63 and a third. And it was the most unhinged game. Oh, no, it had Earthworm Jim in it. Okay, yeah, that's exactly what it was. With her appearance by Earthworm Jim. It was like fighting. Why is this game $44?

Yeah. Well, so, okay. Yeah, honestly. There you go. yeah well so okay nostalgia yeah honestly my sister and i had this uh nhl hockey game that you could play hockey but you could also beat each other up nhl hits uh i think it was called like nhl 64 to be fair that's like 45 of hockey yeah hey but you could like you could kick and punch while you're playing the actual hockey game and if you did it enough it would set you into this arena

where it was just a fighting game. And that would go back to the hockey. That's really funny. It's just a boxing game inside of a hockey game. That's pretty sick. Anyway. How much do you think this thing is going to cost? That's my, if you're guessing.

How much is the pocket? The pocket is $219. Then that is $64. It's probably going to be 300. I'm very interested in the controller too. I think that they tease the controller. I missed that. I want to see, do you know what the controller looks like Marquez?

It is like an iconic controller. No. Can you try and draw it for me? It's a very wild controller. So I would like to, and audio audio listeners we will describe what he is drawing here but it is not your average controller uh i'm sure you've seen it and when you see it is it the one that's kind of like this and we kind of like that and that's like i i feel like you're going kind of, can you put the buttons on? No.

Maybe one of these. Oh, there we go. One of these. You barely see anything. It kind of looks like a Switch Pro controller. It would fit on that side where the C buttons are. Were those called C buttons back then? The C stick.

I don't know. Was not on this. Yeah, C buttons. That looks like an Ocarina. I think don't know, was not on this. Yeah, C buttons. That looks like an ocarina. I think that's the Sega Genesis controllers like that. Oh, whoops. I truly have no clue. Or the Sega Genesis console is shaped like that, one of the two.

Well, Marques drew... I drew one where the one handle was way bigger than the other one. Is that what you're looking for? You're in the right ballpark. If you added one more handle... Yeah. Have you seen this? Can you describe this now from what you think it looks like oh it's it's three handles yeah because we have three hands

okay i want to know the other designs it's a pretty infamous controller because i can see why it's kind of a terrible to can you yeah it's no it's iconic it is like how would you hold because it's memorable i would hold it just like that just like that's five on each side i've never held it like you hold it with you hold it you grip the center one so you can move with your left hand oh if your game requires the d-pad or whatever the joystick then the d-pad was usually like easier like item selects or stuff like that where like you could go off the controller and there was a z button on the back that you could hit with oh yeah there's a trigger underneath underneath are we off the rails is this no what's going on this is gamer talk no now we get to put an n64 controller in the thumbnail and get the greatest ctr possible

fair yeah anyway um yeah so nostalgia exactly speaking of nostalgia they are also releasing another analog pocket and all the clear colors. They already released it, and it sold out within like three minutes. I was going to say, how have they not done that already? That's what I pictured every Game Boy to be. Because the first one took forever to come out anyways. It was a bummer. They did extremely limited quantities, and they put like a day and time that it would happen,

and then within like two minutes it was sold out. I know that this is a smaller company, but like, make more more you know that thing's gonna sell yeah part of the fun is not being able to get one they've done a lot of limited ones like they did like this glow-in-the-dark version of the analog pocket that's like a gray but it glows green in the dark yeah i don't know the the like uh purple god man the purple transparent purple translucent purple is so good legendary nostalgia noise i had that game boy color i had this game boy color too nice that's the best well it's kind of like the default color one sort of yeah

they said gray and blue and purple and they had a solid purple hey guys all right sorry all right anyway i'm sure there are people reminiscing with us right now guys this is a and they had a solid purple. Hey guys. All right, sorry. All right. Anyway. I'm sure there are people reminiscing with us right now. Guys, this is a new podcast. No more old tech. We're going new old tech. We're going new tech.

New old tech. New Apple Pencil. Oh yeah, right. Brand new Apple Pencil. And this is new tech here. So we got to talk about what's brand new. USB-C port.

New. That's the only new thing on this pencil. New. No pressure sensitivity. New. No pressure sensitivity is new. Brand new.

Yeah. Engravings, not there. Less is more, baby. Not new because the first gen didn't have engravings. That's true. Yeah. They made this giant chart. Okay, so to catch everybody up, Apple, everyone thought that this week, and by the way, we are recording this on Tuesday and not Wednesday because Marques is out Wednesday through Friday.

National. So it could be that Apple announces a new iPad, and if it does, I am sorry. No, no, no, no, no. If it does, Marques is flying back and we're re-recording this episode. If that happens, I'll record a segment remotely apologizing for not knowing. Okay. I'm sold on that. But what we do have today on Tuesday.

Yeah. So Apple sometimes does this thing where like for three days in a row, they'll just make a newsroom announcement and announce a new product. In previous years, it's been like a new baseline iPad or maybe a new Mac Pro or something. Maybe not the Mac Pro. I don't know. Today, they just announced a new Apple Pencil. It's the stuff that doesn't deserve its own event.

Yeah. So it's a USB-C Apple Pencil. It's basically the new baseline. And they're making it obvious that they are transitioning everything to USB-C. Because right now the baseline Apple Pencil is lightning. And only one iPad has lightning anymore, right? Just the $330 base one. So that would lead me to believe that they are imminently going to announce a new baseline iPad that is USB-C as well.

Contextually, that is a perfect prediction that probably will happen, but we don't know yet. Yeah. Do one of you want to read the spec sheet and the comparative analysis versus the other apple pencils okay it's like basically they took the newest second gen apple pencil and then just took some stuff out of it yeah and gave it a lower price of 79 that's a good way to put it so it's got usb type c and it charges via usb type c yeah which you might be thinking wait a second the other one the like new apple pencil we've all had for a while charges via a magnet on the side of the iPad. This one still attaches with a magnet, but doesn't charge that way. Or pair. Or pair that way.

You need a USB-C cable. So that's one thing they took out. Pressure sensitivity is another thing they took out. For some reason, there are people out there who are buying a $79 stylus for their iPad, but don't care about pressure

sensitivity, I guess. Apple's done the math. Maybe they believe that that's a thing. I don't know. It also no longer supports double tap to change tools. It's just a weird... I swear, this artificial gating is like my new biggest

pet peeve in tech. Well, they might have taken parts out of the pencil, though. It might not be artificial. It's possible. The last thing they took out was engravings. Nice. Tell me that's artificial gating. It's the same shape.

It's the same mat. It's the same pencil. That's true. Well, they can, it's the supply chain, right? They're leaning out the supply chain, which saves on money, and then you can charge less. I wonder if using the same exact supply chain over a larger volume well probably is but the lead time is higher over a large volume right maybe maybe

logic apologies it feels to me like like they're just going to confuse a bunch of parents during the holidays speaking of in terms of confusing which is helping this the naming is very confusing between the three of these now because when I see Apple first gen and that's the lightning port, I assume the second gen is going to be the one with closer features and maybe just the updated to USB-C. But no, the second gen is the really nice one

that has everything. And then USB-C is now actually the cheapest one out of all of them and kind of arguably not the least amount of features. Wait, it's cheaper than the lightning one? Yeah, by them and kind of arguably the not the least amount of features it's cheaper than the lightning one yeah by 20 it's 79 because the lightning one has pressure sensitivity but this one has hover which but only on m2 ipads because they have ever it's okay apple if you're listening call the good apple pencil apple pencil pro yeah why not put pro in this one it makes so much more i rarely advocate for adding i know but like that actually makes a lot of sense it does get rid of

the first generation one and make a dongle that people can buy to charge their first generation apple pencil i think that exists already it's one of the funniest a male lightning to male usbc cable did you see how you plug in the usbc on this new one? It's like you open up the back. It opens, yeah, and it's on like this side now instead. I thought that was kind of cool. Big Magic Mouse vibes. Yeah. Wait, but can you write with it while it's charging? You can still, I believe so.

I really hope you can use it while it's charging. It would come out the side, but I think it would be high enough on the pencils to be... Physically, I know one could do that it's would apple let you right while it's yeah you really should okay lightning one you can't use while it's charging because it's sticking out the side of your ipad yeah unless you do a wire use the popsicle no use the use the included double uh yeah double dongle yeah yeah so get

rid of the first get rid of the lightning one and and sell a dongle name the usbc one just apple pencil and name the good one apple pencil pro that's all you gotta do you're gonna confuse a lot of parents out there who are just trying to get their kids a procreate pen no i'm confused and we do this for a living yeah they're doing it just to confuse you adam they dislike you it's working this definitely didn't deserve an event so glad they did the press release i would have went to the event do a compilation of like all of the apple events all the apple newsroom press releases that don't get an event and like power rank them in terms of how good of an announcement they were

this is like pretty middling not that great but there are some things that they've announced that were like kind of solid. And they didn't get their own event. And I thought that was fun sometimes. That would have been crazy if they did M1 as a press release. That would be crazy. Well, do you guys have any other thoughts on the pencil? None.

None. None. Nada. Okay. We should talk about all these new YouTube features. But first, we should take a break. And before that, we should do trivia. Trivia.

So, as always, answers at the end. Yeah. First question. Time Magazine named the N64 the machine of the year in 1996. But what two games were originally launched with the console? One point per game. What two games were launched with the console one point per game what two games were launched with the console yep hmm hmm i think i have one there's one i really want to say and i'm pretty sure we're thinking the same one you too marcus crash bandicoot this is not playstation

how dare you this is an unfair question if you don't want to go off the rails on nostalgic games we should just throw to the air break right now because you're really I'm itching support for this show comes from Klaviyo

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All right, welcome back. Let's talk about YouTube. What? Kind of a fun place. Yeah, YouTube. So we're on YouTube. I don't know if you guys know. A lot of you guys listen on audio only. But many of you watch this podcast on YouTube. And some of you may know I actually have my own YouTube channel.

Hey, we told you you're not allowed to plug that here. I started a few years ago. Specifically told you this is the podcast. I think it's like a good overlapping audience. I think people would want to know about it. I review tech products. The origin story is way far first. So we've been using YouTube for a long time, and we just got like a big YouTube feature drop.

That's how I'd explain what just happened. Like a pixel feature drop. Kind of, except it's all, well, it's all coming soon. So I guess not actually. It's exactly the same. It's basically the same thing. Slowly rolling out. But there are literally three dozen new features coming out both in design and functionality and some of them are really cool and i wanted to give some of my thoughts on some of the best stuff

um a sort of a high level overview it's like some ui stuff some feature stuff some functionality stuff just lots of quality of life changes quality of life that's yeah exactly i need that in my life uh one of the high level ones and i'm curious to hear your guys thoughts on this is there's a stable volume toggle so if you're watching some videos you've heard those videos where it's just like quiet quiet quiet quiet blasted volume but you turn your volume up so you get destroyed so audio normalization basically it sounds like a compressor you just turn it on yes and it's funny because i wonder if this gets turned on automatically for videos that deserve it, or if the toggle is just there after you've already gotten blasted, you know?

So I started blasting. I feel like it should be on automatically. I started blasting. Like, there should be an AI that watches, that scans YouTube videos for comments for people who are like, headphone warning, and then it just toggles this automatically for those videos. Maybe. This looks very confused. Here, I'll just read what it says exactly on the YouTube blog post. The YouTube official blog post reads,

Easy on the ears. We're giving you better audio control on mobile devices. Rolling out starting today, stable volume will be automatically turned on to reduce jarring differences in volume for an overall improved watching and listening experience. And there's a little animation showing a pop-up with a toggle that says stable volume so you can toggle it on or on on or off on or off on or on or on so it's automatically automatically on and i assume even though it doesn't say, that that means that one video with dramatically different volumes will be normalized.

That would be great if that's what it is. That's what it sounds like to me. I would like that if it was like between videos, each video was like the same volume. So it's like an account like an app toggle yeah because if you're like if you're like making a video that has sort of like a a slope in volume as part of the experience it would suck if the app automatically like normal it does say like jarring differences though so like i'm sure it could has a i would hope it has somewhat of a range but there are videos out there that just suck at volume yeah the autofocus the last autofocus video. Did you watch that guy's video?

He did a video on the Corvette. Probably the podcast before any of these. Is that another Wayfarm spinoff channel? Yeah. There's just another YouTuber I know who does these car videos. It's called Autofocus. It's a great title for a channel. It is a great title.

He did a video. He usually does electric cars. Genius thought of that. He usually does all these quiet EVs, but he did a video on the new Corvette Z06. And he does the remote start in the video, and it blasts my headphones i'm like dude what are you doing like i know it's what an idiot but like is that how you started the video no it's like halfway in too so you've settled in you've turned the volume up a little bit and then you just get crushed i'm gonna report that channel honestly i like that channel but i say i'll do it too

yeah report every mr beast video where he starts yelling at the beginning but at least he starts right from the beginning yeah you don't like get used to one volume level and then it changes anyway so that's one of the youtube features um another one is straight rip from tiktok i don't know if you guys have had the hold to fast forward on tiktok so this is an iphone it started off iphone only and now it's on android as well wait tiktok for like 30 seconds and people still fast forward through them. There's some longer TikToks. And so people will hold down on the left side of the screen and it'll fast forward. It'll watch it at 2x speed.

So you know how you listen to podcasts sometimes at 2x speed? Or David listens to every video on YouTube at 2x speed. Every YouTube video I watch at 2x speed. Which is insane behavior. But I'll let you slide. It was giving me anxiety the other day. You can absorb the same amount of information in half the time yeah twice as fast would you watch a movie at 2x i watch all

youtube videos at 2x but like what if it was a really good video i was like pacing i will say and music yeah one of my friends made a video that was an hour and 15 minutes long recently and i was watching it by myself at 2x and then i watched it with a friend at 1x and the experience was better at 1x for sure who would have thought but it depends if i'm trying to absorb information wait it might be even better if you watch it half speed just if we're following the trend no if we're following the trend i you cut it in half pieces of data a trend or just it could be if it's the start of a trend the problem is if it's a 30 fps video now you're watching it at 15 fps yeah that's tough that's tough i think you should watch that 30 fps anyway my point is on youtube

you can now hold down anywhere on the screen uh so just press and hold down anywhere on the player to automatically bump your playback speed to 2x once you get to the part of the video you want just let go it goes back to 1x just like tiktok great this feature is on web tablets mobile devices i make sense i think this is great for less of a reason than tiktok but like when you get longer videos especially on mobile scrubbing is so hard because you can skip like five or ten minutes really easily if it's like an hour plus long video so if you can just scrub through a minute or two really quickly it's way more precise in that sense yes improvements to scrubbing i'm glad you brought that up because one of the other ones they've improved is larger previews while you're seeking through a video uh i think it's

just full screen now because it'd be like the little window at the bottom and you'd scrub through now it's just like you see full screen exactly what you're scrubbing through. That was in the beginning. Makes a lot of sense. That's crazy. So those are some of my favorites. Also, there's one here called Search by Voice or Song. So it's basically like Shazam more or less.

The feature reads, using AI to match the sound to the original recording this feature will route in the next few weeks and be available on android devices for now you play sing or hum a song and youtube will pull it up for you like the music video pull up whatever's on youtube it might just be the song i won't it might be the music this but for all youtube videos like this is cool for that but what if i'm like oh i watched this guy he was really funny and he like this intro was kind of like whatever and but you can't remember their name whoa you gotta wait for bard yeah but just imagine like that'd be sick that's an llm model for sure like what if or people are like oh yeah i watched that video on the iphone

the guy said is he's like what's up it's mk hbd here and but then it's like oh you're thinking of marquez brownlee you know what i suspect i suspect that this may be using parts of the same tech that is the copyright id system so the way it has like audio hashes and if you have copyrighted music in a song it can automatically identify it or if you have something that's really close to copyrighted music, it might automatically get picked up under the same umbrella. I feel like this is kind of leveraging the same tech, where if you're next to a radio,

and you hold your microphone up to it, and you're like, YouTube, what is this song? It'll be able to find it, because it's going to hear the same audio hash, and it can find that thing on YouTube, the original. But Google has this already, too, just in Google you can like come a song she's built into the youtube why is this in youtube and not youtube music well it probably will get is it kind of the same at this point yeah my guess who knows yeah that's true that's the google that's the

ultimate google question i think this sounds cool if you could do it for videos that aren't music i will say if you look at this animation there's a tab that says voice or song uh-huh oh so you just want someone's voice i wonder if there's like a oh so you can do an impression of someone and yeah yeah yeah that would be sick you just recite like four or five minutes of the waveform podcast it's like oh, oh, that's episode 193. So if I go, my diet is 15% Cholula. Do you just try to do an impression of yourself? Yeah, and I messed it up. You started to change your voice.

Really bad. Wait, that's a great point. Voice or song. And the song says placing your hum a song. So like, what is voice? Yeah, the voice. Do you have to try and match the voice? Or do you just have to like say things that they say like an opening?

Does Renee say that in his video? Let's go to Renee's video. Let's go to our field reporter, Renee Ritchie. Renee Ritchie coming in from the field. If you're looking for a song, you can play, sing or hum it and YouTube on Android will go find the video for you. Yeah, so it's unclear what that voice tab will do or if it's anything different from singing or if it's just acapella. I don't really know, but it's there.

Voice or song. Find stuff on YouTube. We don't seem to be clear on either of these. Like two of them, I'm like, I love this. And then I read it more. I was like, I don't know what this is. So I'm going to be optimistic. I'm going to introduce you to your favorite one right now, Andrew.

A feature? This is your favorite feature. For sure. Anytime anyone in any video says the word like or subscribe. Oh. Which is happening right now. The buttons in the YouTube app will glow. Like. Like. Subscribe. is it working like i don't think this is out now comment like subscribe i'll read that i'll read

the future how about i read the future i'll read the future okay so we can be further confused by it i think this one's pretty this one's a little longer animations that celebrate meaningful moments okay we wanted to bring more life to the video watching experience. Hallmark Channel Vibes. So now when you're watching on web or mobile, the page may react to what a creator says. So now when a creator asks viewers to like or subscribe, a visual cue on those buttons will appear in sync with the video.

And once fans smash that button, it actually says that, a subtle explosion of playful sparkles will reward them. Top comments also automatically rotate so you can scan the best commentary from the video. Wait, they rotate? What does that mean? Top comments automatically rotate? Oh, they get swapped out.

Oh, okay, okay sure i was imagining okay they rotate in and out okay got it and for new video uploads we added a new animation that updates view count and like count in real time for the first 24 hours to show how many other users are engaging with what they're watching. That is interesting. We finally get to know real time? Real time for 24 hours. That's going to be like... It depends on the video.

If it's a MrBeast video, yeah. When there's 6 million views in 6 hours, it's just going to be... Are they going to refresh every second? This is so interesting. Real time, because they did the huge push a year or two ago to just be like

nothing on Social Blade or anything had anything past the like point so it'd be like 10.4 million or like 5.2k like but that was just public channel subscriber counts which is a little more i guess you're right you're right but remember when it was this might be something people watching don't remember but remember when youtube videos all stopped at 301 views yeah remember that i thought it oh it was 301 sometimes it was 304 sometimes it was 300 but they would always stop around 300 views and that was like a that was like a pillar of youtube culture was if your video slammed into 301 views and then paused there for a while that video was popping off you made it you passed you blew past 300 views they had to verify that they were real before they picked up the real-time count again interesting so i would upload no no not to humblebrag but i would upload a video and it would hit 300 views and it would not change for a couple hours and then would bam

it would come back and it'd be at 10 000 views because they were because they were verifying that those views were real and at some point i don't know what year it was, but they just figured out how to verify views continuously in real time. And so now if you refresh the view count on a video, every couple seconds even on a popular enough video, you'll get the updated view count. But the first 24 hours we found is always lagging behind. So this is interesting. This is true.

What we'll notice as creators is the real-time view count in the analytics that we look at on the back end from YouTube are ahead of the public-facing view counter. And I think that that probably will still be the same. I think the live updating public view counter will be slightly behind as they verify views. Did I miss something?

Or did it say that that will be in real time? It will be slightly behind as they verify views did i miss something or did it say that that will be so it will be in real time it will be in real time well i don't think it'll be in real time i think it'll still be up it'll just update without you refreshing the page i think that's basically what's happening they use the word real time though right um i think it's like the twitter uh real time like counter that like goes up every few seconds it ticks up by like exact 12 oh wait it'll be like that maybe it won't actually real time it won't actually be in real time it's not real time it's every few seconds yeah yeah so it'll be it'll be rounded and it'll be verified views but it will count upward without you refreshing the page that's pretty wild so you could be

watching a video that has 200,000 views and by the time time you finish the video, it has 202,000 views. Yeah. And it will say that on the page as you're watching. I think that's kind of cool. I think they're trying to do, like, there's this whole thing that happens on Reddit where, like, you're scrolling Reddit, and if something has a lot of upvotes,

it makes you feel like you should upvote it, too. It's like crowd mentality. Yeah. And I think they're trying to get people to watch videos that they see the view counts going up, and they feel like they want to be part of the experience of everyone watching at the same time like a slot machine that's the whole reason people that's the whole reason people watch live content like you could watch streamed like a played back content but when something's live people feel more incentivized to watch it's happening in real time and there's not anything necessarily better about it i mean i get you want to see it happen in real time real real time not

youtube bulls**t real time but i don't know that's like with every like weird little phenomenon like when we had the eclipse it's like i could have just watched that on tv later but like i was dying to see that 30 seconds in real, real time. And if you see that thing pinging up, you want to be part of it. This is also reminding me of another feature that you guys may or may not remember on YouTube. If trivia questions were about old YouTube features, I would crush. There's another old feature back in the day, and this was probably in like 2012 or 13 or something like that. Is that back in the day?

Yeah. Yeah. In tech years, that's a decade ago. Yeah, in tech years. It was last generation. In real-time years of the decade ago. A while ago. There was a feature where if you were signed in, it would show underneath the video the usernames of everyone else

watching the same video at the same time as you oh my god yeah old i do not remember that oh yeah in real time that's wild so on like popular videos there would just be a gigantic scrollable list of all the usernames of everyone watching at the same time and i think it would even count it would say hey 600 people are watching with you but if it was just like a random obscure video sometimes you'd be watching and another username would pop up and there's just two of you watching the video and it's their username you could click on it and look at their profile and see where they're from and what their name is yeah this was back when youtube had a messages and you could dm people youtube misconnections yeah dude on craigslist we were both watching the mr beast video at 7 34 p.m last night man

you know what i did the other day i went on in my youtube analytics and they showed the box of subscribers and you could sort by reverse chronological and so i went back and found the first ever subscriber to the mkbhd channel and they haven't logged in in 10 years but i went to their channel and i tried to find who they are and it was really hard it was a fellow golfer oh and it was someone who without revealing too much was a fellow junior golfer around the same age as me when i uploaded my swing we subscribed to each other and like wow he also has an old golf swing video on his channel wow from a decade ago interesting challenge accepted this sounds like a long form oh god no well this dude's 30 years old now it's just some 30 year old dude now

what would be funny is if that guy only remembers the golf swing video and has no idea that you've turned into like a tech youtuber that's probably true that would be hilarious it would be really fun to find this person to interview them be like do you still play golf because he might not even play golf he's a tech youtuber as well there are youtube videos of his golf swing online the same exact way there were of mine. You have to show us this after we're not doxing anybody. Well, I wasn't able to find much more than what I told you. But you have a whole team that can help you.

That's true. That is true. All I'm saying is YouTube ads features and they are there are like pillars of Internet culture for me anyway. I kind of view time through YouTube changes. Is that weird? I don't know. I spend a lot of time on YouTube, i i kind of view time through youtube changes is that weird i don't know i spent a lot of time on youtube so probably kind of weird honestly that's a little weird yeah sorry i just gave up too much can't wait till it's like your kid's 10th birthday and you're like oh yeah you were born right around the time when the subscribe button glittered anytime you said it i do view time in terms of like when a certain phone launched though I just the way you guys were talking about nostalgia about game consoles earlier is the way I talk about the different colors the subscribe button was over the years

Like that's see the face you're making that's when I when you say the n64 is gonna have a new version with this emulator I'm like remember when the subscribe button was yellow And everyone said point at the yellow button and then it was gray the next year the yellow button yeah dang good times anyway anyway uh new youtube features coming to a coming to a use youtube near you um i think i feel like we should take a quick break we got a bunch of meta stuff to talk about and also the one plus open i'm holding it right now what's the meta stuff we're gonna talk about like it's oh we're talking about talking about so it's meta stuff from meta who meta meta stuff you'll see what i mean we'll get there but before we get there let's do trivia all right i had an n64 question but marquez i was inspired by your call to action really and now i

have oh no a defunct youtube features so we have both three questions no this is why not three questions let's do it there's two points so now there's four points on the board four points on the board all right beep boop can i see the score real quick no one two carry the one now andrew andrew you you have the potential to make some serious damage this week potentials my middle name like chris paul hits a huge three to cut the lead to 46 guys who's chris paul he was wayne gretzky's line mate. Oh, God. Line mate? Do they have that in hockey? What is that?

I think that's a reasonable question. I think that's a reasonable question. We should leave it. Just leave it. Anyway. In 2009, 2009, YouTube introduced

an experimental, lightweight version of their site. Sure did. What was it called? I was hoping you would ask. I was hoping you would ask. An experimental lightweight version of YouTube. The app.

The site. The service. Think about it. And for my second question. Okay. Yeah, sorry, we're not used to it. Rhythmically, this is so strange. We think of the big innovation on the N64 to be 64-bit 3D graphics. But in 1997, the N64 introduced what now essential smartphone feature to its controllers?

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folding phone and i did the review of it it's out already i think it's the first OnePlus folding phone. And I did the review of it. It's out already. I think it's a really good folding phone. And we'll get to also Meta smart glasses as well. And maybe the Quest 3 a little bit. Calling it OnePlus open infers that all of their other OnePlus devices were like really hard to fix. Or that they're closed. Well, they are. Well, closed. Are they closed?

Yeah. I would argue they're open. And I would argue this is closed. Why are they open open because you can see the screen and it's there you open it right it's open for business that's what it is am i right or is david right no no you're right you're right that is closed this is closed that's closed i know one plus closed yeah but now wait open it up that's close i know one plus closed yeah but now wait open it up yeah but open i think it's not a terrible name um wait you know it's terrible is your screen dead broken already yep no way yeah way baby yeah huawei so let's just give you the high level overview so it's one plus's first folding phone it is a relatively normal size outside screen it's a 6.3 phone. It is a relatively normal-sized outside screen.

It's a 6.3-inch, 1080p-ish LTPO outside screen. But LTPO 2. LTPO 2 on the outside, down to 10 Hz. 2,800 nits, max brightness. It's the new brightest screen I've ever seen in a phone, and it's awesome. I love these bright screens we're getting. That took like two weeks. Yeah, right?

Yeah, because the Pixel 8 in my pocket was the previous champ for brightest screen i've ever seen well but i love that find x6 pro is 100 and it's brighter than pixel sorry fair okay top three good fact top three but uh it's got the alert slider it's got this huge camera bump on the back they've been doing all these like reveal the like teaser videos and giving people exclusives of like looking at the phone and they all have to like blur the camera bump as if that's the design of the phone we've seen the phone before but i've been using it for like three weeks now we've seen it the inside screen 7.8 inch uh squarish aspect ratio almost no crease at all mean, you can see it here. Looking head-on, almost no crease. Yeah, really, really good inside screen. 120 hertz, LTPO 3.0, also 2800 nits,

little corner cutout for the selfie camera. Really, really good-looking screen if you ignore the dead pixels. Speaking of the hinge and not really being able to see the crease, our friend Michael Fisher, friend of the show, Mr. Mobile, did a very good video where he went to oppo's headquarters in china and did a whole breakdown of the hinge yeah they reduced the parts down to 69 parts from like 100 and nice something yep and um yeah you

should watch that video it's a very good video just saying looking at this phone happy birthday marquez's dad yeah wow it's my dad's birthday i hope i messed something up nice happy birthday mr roundley sorry interrupted that one but just like calendar big things dad's birthday right on there that's today as we record this but uh it's one thousand seven hundred dollars yeah it is their most expensive phone ever. Honestly, my initial take is like, okay, wow, this is a really good first-gen foldable. First-gen foldable. If you can call it that. Because this is basically the same as the Oppo Find N3, which is Oppo's fourth foldable.

I don't know. They've done flips. They've done folds. Yeah. But it kind of fits right in between the samsung candy bar shape and the pixel fold passport shape yeah it's like right in between those yeah and i really like it i like the flat sides like the the alert slider i like the flat or uh the power button being the fingerprint reader yeah a lot of good things about this phone yeah that being said as you noticed andrew um

yeah there is a little tiny bug size dot on the bottom of my screen that appeared a couple days ago. It hasn't grown yet, but it probably eventually will, considering it wasn't there. That's more than just a dead pixel. That's multiple pixels. It looks like there's a small fly on my screen. I thought they'd swipe it away, i thought it was like a piece of food that's what i first did when it first showed up that's really bad it's right around the hinge uh and you know i reviewed this phone i talk about what's good and what's bad about it the cameras are solid it's got this huge huge yeah uh camera circle on the back um is it reminiscent of a black hole

lump shoes like a black hole or whatever they call that uh yeah i guess it's is that what they say they said it was like irresistible just like a black hole which i found very funny that's pretty funny yeah it's a hassle-blad camera it's got a 3x telephoto it's got an ultra wide it is a decent set of cameras i would say um nothing like remarkable or game changing but i generally found i really liked using the phone and my conclusion was like all right this is a really good phone but if i just end it there that doesn't mean people should buy the phone it turns out a phone can be really good and still not something that most people should buy because number one price 1700 bucks for a phone number two durability questionable you know not everyone's going to break every

folding phone they own but it's still no matter how many millions of tests you do with the hinge and we saw everything they try to do with mr mobile's video you still have moving parts like there's still some risk there and then then number three, I found it surprisingly hard to convince regular people that a folding phone is something they should even care about. Power users, we love folding phones.

I see a lot of flips out in the wild, but I've only seen like three folds ever. I've seen a single digit number of folding phones in my life out in the wild. Yeah. Yeah. Interestingly, if you buy this phone on OnePlus.com,

you can send in literally any phone in any condition, and they will give you a $200 credit towards it. Fisher asked in the briefing, if I set my Nexus 4 on fire and send it to you in a box, will you still give me the $200 credit? And they said yes. They actually said yes. So we were like speculating on this. We were like

did they actually only need to charge like $1,500 for this phone but they were trying to make it look more premium? Because in my opinion getting folding phones just as cheap as possible like lowering the price as much as possible of folding phones just as cheap as possible like lowering the price as much as possible of folding phones is a is more important to sell more folding phones than making it seem

premium yeah it's kind of a psychology thing when you see a price tag of seventeen hundred dollars you kind of just assume a bunch of things about it but that's also in the price category where i'm like i would never pay that much for a phone ever right now i would also like i see what you're talking about i do think getting it lower is super important but i think someone who would pay 1500 would also pay 1700 so like i wonder if that's making a huge difference between that price range where if you could get it down to man even 1200 is insane for a phone but there are plenty of non-folding phones out there that are 1200 and they're not even top of the lot like best spec all the time so that's the thing i wonder if 15 to 17 is like if you've just gotten

ready to do that maybe they just want to harvest the lithium out of the phones that you send in the old ones well if it's on fire i don't know if they're not requesting that you set it on fire yeah but they would still take it it's so a couple good points you guys bring up number one is this one has to live in a lineup so it has to have a price that's alongside all the rest of the phones that this company makes so in a sense the lowest you can charge is whatever your most expensive phone is so if you have if you're one plus and you have a 900 phone like you obviously can't go below 900 why does that have to be true though well that brings me to the other point which is

if i combine all the parts of this phone it does feel like it's at least a 900 phone yeah the snapdragon 8 gen 2 the 16 gigs of ram the half a terabyte of ufs 4.0 storage this is at least a thousand the really really good 6.3 inch outside lt LTPO screen at 2,800 nits. Like, the performance, the battery, the 67-watt fast charging, all this stuff. By the way, it doesn't have wireless charging. It doesn't have wireless charging. It's such a OnePlus thing. Yeah.

But, like, if I just put together all that stuff and this 7.8-inch inside screen. Premium leather back. I'm kidding. Sarcasm. It's awful. Horrible fake leather. It feels like it's awful horrible fake leather it feels like it's at least a 900 phone i'll agree with that i mean and the engineering has to go into the r d and the hinge and all that stuff remember when people used to compare phones strictly based on

specs and they'd be like oh but it doesn't have as high of a spec of this as this one this phone does have all the highest specs 16 gigs of ram 2800 nit display yeah like that's at least a thousand dollar phone yeah you know so i guess when you first said that i was like why does a folding phone have to because like there are pros and cons of a folding phone versus a normal phone so like if we were getting to that point where folding phones were similar prices to just flagships, that would be a great thing. Because then you're just making the choice on, do I want folding or do I not want folding? And not having to be like, oh, I want folding,

but I don't want to spend 500 more dollars on it. Yeah, so my theory was folding phones are going to be finally allowed to hit mainstream when they are literally just a regular phone that happens to fold, which means they have to also be as thin as a regular phone when they're folded up. They have to be the same price as a regular phone.

There's a lot that goes into getting them down to price. So that's happening with the flips because the flips had, Samsung finally hit $1,000 with the flip with flagship specs, I mean, around flagship specs. And now the razer 40 um the non-ultra is a 600 phone i just launched for 600 bucks and it's a flip so like

that's like that's like mid-range phone pricing territory you know it's a flipping phone and also like there's like a techno phantom flip or something that's also around 600 but yeah so it seems like the flips are getting down they're getting way cheaper these haven't gone down at all the first galaxy fold launched at 1800 they're all still 1800 exactly yeah isn't that weird that is wild the first one was like we get it this is a total test let's see what happens and it broke and yeah now we're on the fifth one right and? And it's still, how is that not going down? I agree. I remember reviewing the first one.

I was like, guys, I know it's a thick phone. I know it's got crazy bezels, but it folds in half. Can we appreciate that this thing folds in half? All the engineering and risk that went into making this crazy thing. And then Gen 2, we were like, all right, it's a little more refined now. Nice. Cool. Good.

I can see the improvements. The direction is positive. And then Gen 3, we're like, all right a little more refined now nice yeah cool good I can see the improvements the direction is positive and then gen 3 you were like alright ultra thin glass alright it's even more refined and then gen 4 was like I think it's different and then gen 5 it's like I literally hold it up to the next to the old one I'm like I think the flash moved

we made it slightly flatter like the hinge is a little bit thinner and like they're really refining little by little on that and the price is just rock solid yeah it's like the four and the five of the samsung series are almost exactly the same the three they did do a bunch because the three was the like under display uh selfie camera and like which i felt like where they added all the way at all still garbage yeah so yeah it is what it is it seems like the they added all of it. Still garbage. Yeah. So, yeah, it is what it is. It seems like the folds are all kind of hovering.

The Pixel Fold is also $1,800. Like, they're all kind of in this area where... Also, is it even... That's the thing. It's like inflation. Is it even possible for a folding phone to get down to the price of a regular phone? Because if it ever does, that means all the components of a regular phone, which there are less of, are now cheaper. Like, if I have a high-end folding phone,

which has two screens, a split battery, and a hinge, if that gets to $900, then that means a high-end phone is less than $900 because it has one screen, one battery, and no hinge. Yeah, but the technology is advancing and potentially getting cheaper to manufacture. Like if they created a new technology, as the years go by,

that type of technology might get technology as the years go by that type of technology might get cheaper over the years right yeah i just think the best you can do is reduce the difference in price it will never be the same or less yeah because it's two screens yeah and two batteries yeah but the okay but you could say like the z flip 5 which has two screens right because it's got the screen on the front and the interior screen. Sure. Those are getting cheaper. They're getting cheaper.

But if you tasked Samsung with their same supply chain to make a phone without two screens with the same specs, it would cost less, right? If you put the same almost flagship cameras that they put in that phone, if you put the same size battery and it's just a regular slab phone, that would be s23 fe right yeah so it costs less i would say comparing this to a z fold 5 i would buy this over a z fold 5 any day because i like the form factor better it's got better specs in general it's got the alert slider it's got better software in my opinion it's got that cool little black dot on the screen it's got that that dead pixel on the inside that's really dope um it's not the smallest i mean i think this feels great i think it looks awesome the specs

obviously are cool but i'm charging is a bummer though it is a bummer but if i'm seeing this this early on that's a huge red flag yeah the thing is though it's not on i haven't gotten it yet and this is reminiscent of when the pixel fold came out and ram amadeo's pixel fold broke on like day two that's the thing about nobody else's seemed to remember i had the pixel fold here after like a week on the beach in chicago and i had no problems and then i've had this for like two and a half three weeks and babied it and i cannot believe anything has gotten on the screen like i haven't been in any weird conditions do you think something's under the screen do you think that's what happened i think something i mean it's dead pixels so something i mean this hinge though

looks from all the hinges that i've seen this one looks the hardest to get something on the inside of also let's do a little asmr snap oh you're right oh nice clamshell wow how many more pixels did i break doing that i've i just think it's weird that yeah so it's it looks so much better than the first-gen foldables. This is a hinge that you don't think anything can get in. It has IPX4 water resistance. If you showed this to me five years ago, I'd be like, oh my God. This is incredible.

So they've come a long way, but with any of these weird screen issues, like you said, it's kind of just bad luck. If I spent $1,200 and that happened in three weeks, I would be furious. I think the question would be how will OnePlus support these phones? Can you get a screen replacement? Is there a warranty that will cover just the random screen breaks near the hinge that are going to happen to some people? They ask you to set this one on fire and ship it to them and then get 200 bucks off the next one.

It is what it is. But it's out there. Watch the video. I think it covers a lot. A lot of the thoughts we have, a lot of the thoughts about other folding phones. I think I'd say the same as you. I would take this over the Samsung any day.

Yeah. But I would take the Pixel Fold. Which is funny. That's a conversation I was thinking about. I was like, the Pixel Fold is technically worse in every way, but I like the form factor better and the ui is just so enjoyable that i would take the pixel fold over this i would also yeah yeah yeah by a hair but the screen is way worse on the pixel fold but i would

still take it i even talked about that honor magic 2 yeah i would take that hardware over samsung's so it's all out there can Can't wait for Pixel Fold 5. The evolving world. Oh, we're getting the, you mean Z Fold 5? No. Pixel Fold 5. Yes.

Oh, in like five years. Yeah, four years. Four years. Yeah. I'm also excited for that. All right, let's talk about these glasses. This is the other piece of hardware we got this week.

These, oh nice, David's got his too. These are the, they just chime when you put them on. So these are the Meta smart glasses. It has multiple stages of connecting to your phone. It's like we're on, the Bluetooth's connected, battery's connected. Brain is connected. Brain is connected.

Neuralink enabled. Neuralink engaged. Okay. These ones are transition lenses, which is interesting. Oh, mine. Brain is connected. Neuralink engaged. Neuralink engaged. Okay. These ones are transition lenses, which is interesting. Mine just started playing music. Oh. Wait, they are transition? Yeah, yeah.

I thought they were just clear. No, check this out. I thought they were just clear, too. I went apple picking this weekend, and I put them on, and I thought my friends were going to be like, David, you don't wear glasses. What are you doing? Are you being lame again? And then what actually happened was they looked like this. And audio listeners they turn into regular sunglasses wow yeah they transitioned to

regular sunglasses and that's so let me explain everyone loves transition oh yeah we don't we haven't explained what these actually okay so we're wearing some glasses so meta made smart glasses in collaboration with ray bandsBans. If you've seen Ray-Bans sunglasses, they've been popular and expensive and well-known for a while. Hundreds of years. Then Ray-Ban Stories came along. That was the first gen. This is the second gen from Meta. Inside of them has a camera, some microphones, some speakers, a computer, a touchpad on the side, and some batteries to keep it powered for a couple hours, and a shutter button on top for your photos and videos. And it looks kind of just like a normal pair of sunglasses.

Almost exactly like a regular pair of sunglasses. Like this is one of their styles, and this is how it would look out the box. If you didn't see the sort of a semi-clear thing on the side, you wouldn't even know that there's some tech in there and the other cameras. So this is what they would look like. And you could walk around, take first-person videos and do a whole bunch of computing on these.

The photo and video quality is really good, by the way. Yeah. 12 megapixel cameras so i'll say i agree yeah the first person yeah i fully i think that's the number one thing people are going to want to do with this is first person photos and videos yeah and i think they're they're surprisingly good quality they are vertical vertically oriented i guess the sensor is stories and stuff it perfectly matches shooting on your phone and vertical. Makes sense. I wish I could also shoot horizontal, but it doesn't work so well.

Just do this. Yeah, I thought about that. While you're driving. I was like, oh, I could do an autofocus video, and this would be my first person. This is the best first-person driving camera ever made. We played ping pong on it, and it's really well stabilized,

and it's got good color. Sorry, it made a noise when I put them on. It's supposed to, yeah. It scared me. So that's number one, is like nice first-person camera. That's the number one best thing people are going to do with it. Number two is the speakers are surprisingly good. Yeah.

They are these little two-slot speakers on the things that like project downward into your ears. Like right into your ear canal. And it's Bluetooth connected to my phone. So if I were to play music right now,rew's wearing them right now and i can hit play just don't get us demonetized and underneath your headphones you may be able to hear the music not what i'm playing so the idea is without any headphones on, you can actually listen to music. You can be on the phone. You can be listening to voice prompts and things like that. And no one would ever know because you don't even have earbuds in.

What I was surprised about when you were trying them is despite it not being like a closed ear earbud or it's not even bone conduction, right? It's just now. So I could I couldn't hear you listening to things, but it was loud enough for you to not be able to hear what I was saying. Yeah. So at half volume, I can hear everything. No one around me can hear what I'm listening to. At max volume, everyone around me can hear it as if I'm listening to earbuds at max volume

or like open back headphones. They're like bleeding a lot. Or like bone connection. But I truly am like, that's loud. It's loud. I never listen that loud. So it's got the mic. It's loud. I never listen that loud. So it's got the mic. It's got the earbuds.

That's awesome. You can control the music with the swipes, control the volume, play, pause, all that stuff. But, you know, it is a computer on your face and it is attached to the Internet and to your phone. So the last kind of interesting thing that it can do is act as a computer. But there is no screen. So everything you're doing is through audio. So the best way to do that is with an audio assistant, a voice assistant.

And so you can say, hey, Meta, and ask it to do things, ask it to read you things, and it will use the internet connection on your phone to do so. It uses Meta's Lama, their language model, to figure out what it's going to do. So you can ask it to take a picture or take a video which is cool and it works very quickly we can take a video right now yeah try it say hey meta hey hey meta take a video take a video oh i can see it oh there's a little

flashing light on the inside so i can tell yeah i'm recording we're both recording this is what the podcast looks like for those this is first person view yeah pov this is what you're andrew me and andrew and this is what you look like when you when you shoot videos with your sunglasses but yeah so you can do that but you can also just ask it hey what's the other hey what's a fact like ask it how ask a random like google something and it'll do it you can ask it to write you a letter ask it to explain something to you um i think we did also see an example of something in the keynote of like coming later it will use the camera to analyze what's in front of you so you can ask it about the thing in front of you damn that was a loud clap holy hell i'm so excited about this this seems like an actually very useful thing.

The natural language processing. That was a really good clap. It was a scary clap. I'm just like natural language computers. Being able to talk to a computer and not have to talk with specific keywords to make it work. And then also being able to be multimodal and analyze stuff around you. This is the type of like face-worn computer that we've been like dreaming about for decades.

Yeah. As long as you get past the fact that Facebook constantly has a camera and a microphone wherever you go. Oh, I forgot it was Facebook. Shut it all down. Shut it all down. We just need to put that disclaimer out there

that if you're accepting this, you're accepting a Facebook microphone and camera on your face at all times that is a fact oh wow that is a fact yeah and we've been walking around just enjoying it not thinking twice about it it's like a trojan horse but through ray-bans they've tried many trojan horses though you know

what's the facebook portal they've tried many trojan horses that one worked for old people yeah this one's gonna work for fashionable people yeah think about it i mean the thing is they look enough like normal sunglasses and they cost about the same amount as really nice sunglasses ribbons aren't cheap yeah yeah they're 220 299 or something which is like more expensive than regular ray-bans but not by a ton i went to ray-ban site and sorted by most

expensive there are dozens and dozens and dozens of sunglasses that cost more than these. Yeah, okay. I thought you were going to say more than $1,000. I do have to say, I weirdly like the clear seeing some of the processing units inside of it and the speakers and stuff. This is like a clear, not like a nothing phone clear but like it looks good translucent yeah you might say yeah it looks really good it's lightweight um here's my one gripe i have about them and maybe i want to make sure this is correct when you're recording it's just this light that goes on right yep that should be a red light a blinking red light because the

whole thing should be if this is a privacy issue of being worried that people around you are going to be recording you a white light is not enough to warn somebody around you that like this is potentially a recording video i know that's why they put it there to be like to get ahead of the like well are there privacy concerns are you potentially being filmed all the time you guys were wearing these before and had the white light on and i was just like i don't know what that necessarily means it's doing i think that means it's recording but didn't the old ones have a red light or am i mistaken on that i don't remember i don't remember

i'd be curious maybe not i very well might be making that up it should 100 be a blinking red light so even a solid red light if you walk by it might just be like why is there like a glowing thing on that guy's glasses but blinking red makes me think like that person's taking video of me right now and if i don't like that i can leave right i don't know that feels like way too subtle not enough of a a real like warning to be honest i've been around people and actually mostly david recording and i see i don't even see the white light and i realized later that it was on so it is a very subtle thing yeah it's too subtle so when i was upstate um with my friends i was i took a recording of my friend who was uh and I was, oh, you can't hear it because it's connected to the headphones, but I was trying to,

I was trying to make it obvious I was recording, so I was like, what do you think of the apples? How much? Uh, I don't know what scale of what. A scale of? He was really confused why I was asking him these questions. The good ones?

They're great, yeah. He was like, why are you asking me these things? He had no idea why I was asking him these questions, and then I was like, oh, I'm recording you right now, yeah he's like why are you asking he had no idea why i was asking these questions and then i i was like oh i'm recording you right now and he's like what so even though there's a light on he didn't know yeah it's not enough of a light blinking red light a hundred percent um it's fascinating i don't like that fascinating so now that these are out and they're going to be out in the real world who knows how many people are going to buy these and use these and what they'll use them for but the video that i chose to make was sort of combining this with

the oculus the the meta quest 3 because they seem like they're on opposite ends of the technology limit spectrum and and aiming at the other side at each other. So what I mean by that is this is as much technology as we can fit in glasses without them looking like more than glasses. The second we want to put more tech in them, the only limiting factor is can we put that tech in there and it'll still look like regular glasses. Bigger battery, more powerful computer,

extra features, whatever, we'll do it as long as it still looks like normal glasses. And this is the benchmark. And they will keep adding stuff more and more and more until it's a crazy, amazing virtual computer on your face. I would say we've seen smart sunglasses before, mostly just speakers in them. Simple.

And the, like, what are these called? The Zambian computer. The stalks? What are these? Stalks. What are the ear things called? Stalks. Stems.

Stems. The part that goes behind your ear are usually really thick and really obvious these are thick i can't imagine it being any bigger than this i'm okay with this and it's it's since it's so lightweight it's okay but like it has to fit into this form factor if it gets any bigger than this you've lost it as a smart sunglasses so now think of that this is the. All we're trying to do is add more and more and more to this pair of glasses without making it more than glasses. The goal is to have glasses that have amazing computing. Yeah. Now, the other side, VR, like the Quest headset, their goal with that is like, all right, we have this whole big bulbous thing on your head and we've put in all that we

want to we have pass-through cameras we have sensors we have controllers we have all this stuff and the goal of those is to reduce them in size over and over and over so that we keep all the same functionality but shrink them down more and more until it's just a tiny little headset and then it's just a little visor and then then it's just a little visor, and then eventually it's just a pair of glasses. The same goal of having all of the computing in a pair of glasses. Especially because the MetaQuest 3 is like a big pivot towards mixed reality first. Exactly. A virtual reality second. And the thing about mixed reality is it kind of feels potentially like a stepping stone on the way to glasses that can project in your vision

with ar vr i don't know if that's like really how the tech will work in the future but the idea behind pass-through and mixed reality is it's your world with virtual elements in it and we're going to try to get this oculus quest thing i keep saying oculus we're going to get the quest thing smaller and smaller and smaller until it's just a normal pair of glasses your world with virtual elements yeah and this is doing the same thing normal pair of glasses adding more and more text so that's my that's my theory is they're like they're gonna just race to the middle and whichever one hits first wins and the other one will just turn into that and that'll be the what's like when it's it's like when two stars or black holes start like rotating around each other closer and closer until they become a super massive black hole yeah yeah sick i love space references yeah yeah is that what

happens spinning around like the new when they collide yeah so black holes that collide become super massive clap but one of them wins right no they merge well because holes. But one of them wins, right? No, they merge. Well, because if they spin, one of them has to absorb the other. If they're roughly the same size, the slightly bigger one, or it depends on the angle of the collision. Yeah, the bigger one has more gravity, but it still has an infinite amount of mass.

There are different levels of infinite amounts of mass. True, true, true. So that's all theories. We're not entirely sure. Well, yeah. But we've watched it we've watched black we have watched that black holes collide and become super massive because david is wearing glasses so i'd listen to him yeah that's fair he does look smart at the moment

yeah yeah i think that's that's my theory and there's a there's a photo of someone who took all the parts off of a quest 3 until it was just the computer slash screens. And it's not that big. Yeah. So it's not that much bigger than these. It's kind of like goggles. Yeah, I guess projecting onto this into the lenses will be the biggest step. I mean, or they could go the Google Glass RIP so many freaking years ago route and just be like

little display in the corner you could put a projector on your body somewhere too trivia all right oh we need our boards all right so quick update on the score marquez with 11 andrew with two three 3, carry the 1. 7. David with 10. Question 1. I think I might just sit this one out. What two games originally launched with the N64? Never mind, this doesn't work.

Give me a marker, Marcus. Wii Sports. N64. Need for speed No comment I'm just gonna make up two random answers I can't Yeah okay it's between these two I think

It must have been NHL Blitz There's this other game That's a wild It must have been an NHL blitz. There's this other game that's a wild old game that I kind of think. Oh, I can't change it, can I? Flip them and read, boys. What did you write, Marcus? Mario's Mansion.

That's wrong on so many levels. What did you write? I wrote Ocarina of Time. Oh, wow. Pokemon Snap. Wow. Nope. I wrote Ocarina of Time. Oh, wow. Pokemon Snap. Wow. Nope. I wrote Mario 64.

Oh, wow. I'm a genius. How did you not post that? How did you? That's what I thought we were. I'm so stupid. And I wrote Wave Runner. I think it's Pokemon Stadium. So Wave Runner was one of the ones that was announced, but it was delayed at the time

of launch. Is it also called Wave Runner 64? It's also called Wave Race. Wave Race stadia i'm also a launch game no wait is it glover there's a game called glover what's no what does that mean don't google that yeah what do you mean no you're a glove yeah oh i do remember that game that's you're just a glove and like imagine your fingers as arms you're like a Mickey Mouse and you roll around on a ball wait can i tell you the answers first yes so it was super mario 64 the other one you guys missed was pilot wings 64 yeah they had yeah it's all right so what's your theoretical oh man my theoretical um okay

imagine how creative people would be if we all suddenly were able to see an additional color. Okay? You have that in your head? Now. Okay. That's how creative these motherfuckers were when they discovered 64 bits. Am I right? You can be a glove.

Question two. question two incredible you know be a glove equals new I'm just like that's a game we don't do that anymore we should really do that that's true we have like crazy games yeah I don't know there's like a dinosaur sword fighting game

we got 64 there's some cool games coming out crazy games. There's like a dinosaur sword fighting game that just came out. There's some cool games coming out. But how many of them are glove themed? There's a great shame. New color, new dimension, new glove. In 2009, YouTube

introduced an experimental lightweight version of their site. What was it called? For bonus points, name every old color of the subscribe button. YouTube Ozempic. Name the top three most liked youtube videos of all time going to the zoo are you just making up your own trivia questions okay got it now what's the most disliked i know one of them for youtube's lightweight player which was called who wants

to read first marquez probably got it right so i wrote YouTube Go. Oh. I wrote YouTube, like the number two. Like T2. Like tube. That looks like you lube to me. Anyway. YouTube Light. The answer was YouTube Feather. That's terrible.

YouTube. Y'all need to make better names. YouTube Go. That's like straight weekend at Bernie's right now. YouTube Go is the more recent version of that. Their light version. But not the first one. Bro, we did it twice?

We did it twice? We did it twice? Wait, what was the second one? Go, the one Marquez said. Wait wait what was the second one that was like go the one marquez said wait go is the second version oh my god from august 2022 youtube go marquez was like that was that recent ago i don't remember that at all it was it left in august 2022 left what they killed it yeah they killed it where was it before that what huh okay i don't know what it was i've never heard of youtube go and it was alive till 2022 apparently they announced it in 2016 for people with 2022

for people with like way worse internet connections or like limited data you download the separate youtube go app and it would have like basically all the same videos but like super super low bit rate it's streaming oh hmm i thought that's i uh i airdropped you the original google blog post oh just rubbing salt in the wound now oh sorry bro i didn't mean it like that wow all right question number two we love it here we think of the big innovation of the n64 to be 64-bit 3d graphics but in 1997 the n64 introduced what now essential smartphone feature smartphone feature to its controllers Oh, that's not right at all. If I'm right, I have a slight issue with the way this question is worded.

Okay. Come at me, bro. If you're right, it doesn't matter. It's not wireless controllers, right? It was, yeah. Oh. I don't think they're telling the truth. They definitely, there are no wireless controllers, as far as I know.

I don't have an answer. All right, all right, all right. What do we got here? I'll do this because it's stupid. I wrote haptics. Yeah, I wrote vibration motor slash haptics. So they didn't add it to the controller. It was an accessory.

Yeah, they added it. The year after it came out. It didn't get added to the controller, though. It was an accessory. Like, you couldn't buy a controller with haptics. they added it the next year after it came out it didn't get added to the controller though it was an accessory like you couldn't buy a controller with haptics you bought a controller and there's a thing that plugged into the back yeah and you're adding you're adding it you just said you're mating it say oh okay i guess i got it right who cares oh right sorry marquez put yeah it's called the rumble you put encryption and bluetooth

encryption Yeah, it's called the Rumble Pack. You put encryption in Bluetooth? Encryption. So that's been it. Thanks for listening to us talk about hardware, software, new gadgets, new features. I know you guys have been waiting for this for a while, so I'm excited to announce that next week's episode will be entirely YouTube history trivia. That's super exciting for me and for everyone else involved. Super pumped about that.

Minus five points. But until the next one next week. Catch you later. Peace. Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Roven. We're partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network and our intro and outro music was created by Vainsa. What about OnePlus Open? Yeah, we're going to do that after.

Oh. Yeah. Is this skinned? No. That's the default. That's a great reaction. Did we get that on camera? Yeah. That's the first time you've seen that leather version?

Yeah. I don't like it. Dang. I'm not the biggest fake leather on the back of a phone person, but David's had the glass one. Yeah. And it is slightly thinner than this, so everything protrudes more.