Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - The Next iPhone Will Be…Orange?

Episode Date: August 1, 2025

Marques, Andrew, and David start off this week with a quick rant about Wordle before getting into Marques' Austin Robotaxi story! After that, David talks about his experience driving a Xiaomi SU7 and Marques rants about a viral humanoid robot tweet he saw. After that, it's all about the iPhone 17 and Pixel 10 leaks. Smartphone season is here and there are rumors a plenty. Of course, we wrap it all up with trivia. Enjoy! Links: Interview with Josh Wardle (Creator of Wordle) Hugo Barra interview Humanoid Robot tweet Skyfops - iPhone 17 Pro in public Sonny Dickson - iPhone 17 color dummies Android Authority - Pixel 10 Qi2 leaks Sidhant Patnaik Behance - Google Pixel over-ear renders Eric Migicovsky - Pebble update Verge - YouTube Jump Ahead on TV Benn Jordan - I saved a PNG image to a bird video Music provided by Epidemic Sound Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Social: Waveform Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Waveform Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en Hosts: Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

There's this guy who referenced the old MythBusters where, like, what gets you more wet, walking or running in the rain? And apparently they made a new episode redacting that statement and saying it was false, but no one saw that one. And everyone still thinks walking in the rain gets you less wet, which people out here just walking. Feels really obvious. I'm sorry, I just can't imagine walking through a rainstorm clenched here. He'd be like, this is better. It must be better. There's generations of people doing that because of that f***ing a myth.

Plus there's episode. That person running, he's going to get so much wetter than me. Idiot. Yeah, what is up? People of the Internet. Welcome back to another episode of the Wayform podcast. We're a host. I'm Marquez.

I'm Andrew. And I'm David. This week, okay, there's actually a lot to talk about this week, but we can kind of like speed run through it. Maybe. Hopefully. We'll see. Maybe.

I tested the Tesla Robo Taxis, finally. There's also a slew of iPhone. phone 17 leaks. There's a bunch of new other gadgets we want to talk about and a couple Google things to throw in there. It's going to be a good time. Yeah. But first, I'm doing the but first this time. Where Adam and I are doing it. We have a story

to tell you guys. But first. On Tuesday, a bunch of people from the office went to this pizza place called Raza in Jersey City, which is like everyone's apparently obsessed with it because it says like the best pizza in New York is actually in New Jersey. I tried to go there one time without a reservation and

there was like, there We're spots of it in the bar, and I was like, can I say the bar? And they were like, that's a three hour wait. It's, what the heck? That's a different meal time. We made the reservation. It was like, that's breakfast, man. That's breakfast.

We made the reservation a few months ago, I think. Oh, wow. Really? It was very good. Yeah. A bunch of us went. It was fun. But as we leave, we're like, Adam and I are getting ready to go back to our car.

And this guy bumps into me and is like, Andrew? I was like, hey, what's up? He's like. I'm your long-lost cousin. No, he's like, I'm listening to Waveform right now. and pulls his phone out and shows me mid-episode. Yeah, he was up to trivia. Yeah.

He was like, I'm at trivia right now. And I was like, he's like, can I take a picture? I was like, yeah. Do you want Adam? And he's like, what? And Adam, like, comes out of the group. And then we took a picture. It was awesome.

Shout out. Yeah, it was pretty cool. He made sure you wanted to know if you were there. I said, I'm sorry. Marquez hates pizza, so he's not here. I was in different city. And he asked about me too, right? It's funny because I did run into Ellis randomly in the airport.

Oh yeah while we were shooting in LA at midnight at LAX I'm like getting on a red eye flight like it's like like okay let's get ready to go to sleep on the plane I'm here is that Ellis and I look up and it's Marquez and John and we've never run into each other outside of work before yeah like randomly I go all over the country with you but yeah that was really weird that's not the first time I've run into one of you guys in the airport really did I run into you at the airport no I ran into Brandon at New York airport oh yeah terminal A I was good it was the other way around he got off a flight I was not was going in to get on flight small world also in that airport a woman recognized me as that car guy oh oh which is interesting was that the first time that's ever happened second time second time's ever another person recently was like you do the automotive content I was like oh very good yeah I feel that way there was a guy in my neighborhood who stopped me he's like aren't you the guy that does the panoramas and I was like oh I do like being recognized for that that is So if you ever see us in person, definitely ask me about the car videos and ask David about the panoramas. I just ask about Ellis at all.

So he doesn't feel bad. Okay, I do have a bit of a rant, though. Okay. Do any of you guys still play a wordel every day? No. Yes. I played this like once. It gives me too much anxiety.

I don't like. Yeah, you said that before. Yeah, it's too anxious inducing. You know, we still have a wordal channel in Slack and we still have a couple people playing every day. I, we interviewed the creator of Wordle many years ago. Josh Wardle. And part of what we discovered in all of our research about Wordle is there is just a database, just a bin of all of the words that are five letters long that they will go through before they repeat. And I, you know, they kind of hand that off to New York Times.

Now there's an editor that like sort of picks the word of the day or whatever. But they haven't repeated any words since they started Wordle. And in these last few days, I think that. they've gotten to the bottom of the barrel words they didn't want to use because there have been so many weird bad like bad annoying to guess words in the past two weeks that I'm starting to think they're at the actual bottom of the barrel. We're scraping the barrel at this point for sure. I feel like it's been like the last month or so. You normally go in being like these are the letters I want to knock out to see if like they're ones to use. The amount of two guesses with all grays that I've

had lately is wild there's so many double letters because like guessing the same letter twice in one word is a bad strategy because you want to knock out as many words as possible we recently had tizzy as one of the words that's a good one that's not double z who would guess double z in dizzy another one i don't even know how to say it assay yesterday was assay a s s a y two double letters i don't know i didn't even google it i finished the puzzle, and I threw my phone across the phone. Just kidding, I didn't do that. But why is that one of the words?

I did a couple of weeks see people just tweeting like, what the actual heck? Yes. And I was like, what? And then I found out they were talking about Wordle. Yeah. Wordle hasn't been trending on my Twitter. I still call it Twitter in a long time. And these last couple of weeks, it has been trending on Twitter for me.

It's the most I've ever just, like, put in letters of a word that I'm not even sure as a word and hit okay and just guess. And that's how I got a say. I don't know what a say is. Assay. We looked it up last night, or this morning. It's the test you do to determine the metal or. Yeah, the purity of an ore. I'm looking at this list, guys.

I don't know. This sounds like a you problem. It's really easy when you look at it, but when you look at it through the scope of like good wordal strategy, this is hard. Which maybe that's the fun part, but I wish they all weren't in the last month. I feel like we're just at the hard world.

Yeah. Is it a you problem because there's no you in the word? that they're releasing the use there's only one u word in here that i wrote down undid undid yeah these are all you wrote down a bunch of words from wordal from the past month okay savvy that's fine s a v v y yeah that's a normal word but guessing that is really hard it is a normal word but it's like that you're never going to get that two v's and a y's okay um foist what is I don't know what forces. What is that?

No. To foist. To foist is to force, no, it's to force. I mean, I think it literally means pickup, but in modern English, it's only figurative it. It means to force upon someone. So, like, for example, you would say, I am dismayed that Sam Altman foist's his virtues upon American society. Which makes perfect sense.

I've just never, ever heard anyone say that before. I think I got this. Wait, you don't know the word gopher with an F? G-O-F-E-R. So I know the animal, G-O-P-H-E-R, I don't know what G-O-F-E-R is. I forget if it's a verb or a noun. Go-F-E-R. It's someone who goes and retrieves something as, like, an errand person.

Like, that is their, that is their title and their duty is to go and retrieve items. I've never heard that. Do you want a go-for coffee? I'm not going to, like, nervy, that's not what would be so funny. Baller, B-A-L-R? What is that? That might be sailor. That's Baller.

And that might be someone who bails. That's B-A-I-L, though. No, no, that's someone who bails, like, I'm canceling. This is someone who bails hay, like, takes bundles of straw and produce it. I didn't know that was a verb. Let me confirm that. A machine for making paper as a bailer. Foist was hard because I don't think I got it because I had, like,

joist, hoist, all of, moist. That makes it harder for me is when it ends in such a common way. Yeah, you guess all of the normal words that end in oist, and then it goes, ah, just kidding, it was foist. You're like, no, that's not. Foist is a good word. Yeah, but you'd never guess that before moist, hoist, joist, any of the other normal? Okay, but other ones...

I would guess it before joist, because I'm not good at my hands. Whole haunt, quake. Those are pretty normal. Anyway, this is the world podcast. Sorry, guys. If you're not playing word or you're missing out, man. It probably makes the game is really good, that they're hard like this, but, like, yeah, our slack has been extremely angry the last month.

I literally guessed once, and then it's all gray, and then I have a panic attack. David, you play Bellatro. That's so much more stressful. No, Blotra is so, so calming. The one of these that I will, I will have issue with. Somebody doesn't play Wordle. Atria, that's stupid. Yeah, Atria.

Atria is like... Atria is the singular, or the plural verb of atrium. Like the center of a... That's actually not so bad for me, because the one thing about wordal is there are never any plurals that end in S. So there's no four letter, there's no F-A-N, like, what is a five-letter? Plans. Plans. They'll never say P-O-R-Lortals.

L-A-N-S that will never be a wordal word oh so there's no plurals there's no plurals that end in S but there are words like atria that are plural but that don't end in S so part of your world strategy is probably to never use the word S or the letter S at the end but you can still guess plurals so what do you think happens when we run out of five letter words you know like do they start in Bitcoin it's like the having every couple years that's what's going to happen with they should make an announcement so that people can start like guessing old words again you know what they should do when they do that they should they should announce wordal like that has a four-letter word word version and a six-word I think

I think and you associate how many guesses you get with how many letters are in the words yes so either four guesses for four words or six guesses for six letters I think interesting would be fun we'll see what they do I think that would be way too difficult but you get a whole extra guess when we spoke with Josh Wardle he said that he tested out like six letter words and there's just so Oh, many. He was like, he picked five for that specific reason. There's seven years of five letter words, I think. True.

All right. Well, we'll find out. We'll find out when we get there because last word will be like zip, some crazy word. We'll be like, all right, that was the last one. It's just like sleeping zzzy, z, z, z. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. So this video is going to come out later after this podcast, but I did get to test the

robotaxies, in air quotes, robotaxis in Austin, Texas. It was eye-opening. I have never ridden in a robot taxi before. I've also never written in a Waymo before. So I went to ride in both. I did them back to back. I did many of each. Took a lot of notes, got a lot of footage,

wrote a lot of stuff down, had some interesting experiences. The one that I'll tell here on the podcast, which may be mentioned in the video, but not really be as featured, is that I got out of a Robo Taxi and we started to try to hail the next one, which was a Waymo,

and then I realized that I left my phone in the Robotaxie, and it had driven away. And that is a different level of stress. Now, it's not as stressful as it would have been in the WMO, because there's no one in a Waymo. The nice thing is in the Robo taxi is there's actually a person, which is normally not what you want, but there is a person in the Robotaxie.

So they found my phone, called me, and we're able to. So basically, here's what happened. They had your phone. My iPhone has the beta app and the test flight app for the Robotaxy app, not my Android phone. Yeah. So what happens is every time you call a Robo Taxi in order to verify that you're the one that's supposed to get in, the person in the passenger seat goes, hey, can I just see the

Robotaxy app to confirm that you're the person calling the car? You show it to them, they go, okay, great, and then you go along for your ride. So I always have to have that phone with me. So we get in this ride, and I'm doing one of the many rides, capturing a lot of footage, I'm holding the cameras up, Brandon's in the passenger seat, holding cameras up, and I've sort of just put the iPhone down in my lap and have started doing all the rest of the note-taking and stuff on my other phone.

So we eventually get out the car, close the door, as we gather all our stuff, and I realize I never picked my phone back up. So my iPhone with the Robotaxy app is sitting in the Robotaxie in the backseat as it's driving away around Austin, Texas somewhere. The person reaction is definitely, oh God, I'm never going to see that again.

But I have the Find My app on my Apple Watch. So I open that up, and it shows me the location of my phone. And I can see it's driving like six blocks away and making turns and who knows if there's somebody else in the back seat now or if it's just going to the next pickup. I'm just picturing you like hauling ass running at me.

So that's what I, it was like 95 degrees and I thought if that, if the thing was two blocks away, I would have ran. I would have chased it down. But it was like, it was like 1.2 miles away. Yeah. And I was like, okay. Well, I can see it now.

And then every time I refreshed, it would be a little further away, a little further away. And so I hit the like, ping it button. I marked it as lost, which put my phone number on the screen, and then I pinged to play a sound. So I figure the person in the car is hearing this iPhone, blaring a siren in the back seat, he's just going to reach back and see, oh, I'll just, you know, go back to where I drop that guy off and, like, give him his phone back. Never happens. I hit that sound button many, many times, probably 15, 20 times. Nobody ever picks it up. But I keep following his GPS location. Brandon and I are

trying to figure out what do we do here do we wait for it to come back do we try to take another uber to the location i'm following it and after a while it like stops and it's like a mile north and i'm like okay great so i call an uber and it's a waymo and we see that yeah we basically we get in the waymo and the waymo starts going towards the gps location of the robo taxi where it's stopped but then as we're on our way there it turns around and starts going back to where we're And you're like, let me out. And we're like, oh, God. So we cancel that ride or we have it turn back around and go back to the, or we just

cancel that ride and go back to the start. And we thought it was coming back to us, but then it went past us and it started going south. So then it went like a full 15 minutes south of us and I just kept following it. And then again, I see the location stop and it's like 15 minutes south. So I'm like, okay, we call an Uber, go to that location. As we're on our way, it starts going even more south. we get to that spot again and basically it gets to another spot where it stops

and then I get a phone call saying hey did you leave this phone in a robo taxi? I was like finally dude I hit that button like 20 times nobody called me and they said yeah that that was I said that was me that was my phone I was like yep you can come to the like Tesla service center at this address and pick it up so they went to drop it off at the service center so I think the robotaxie automatically goes back to the service center after every so many miles. These things are doing limited miles and are, I assume, going back to service centers

to just get cleaned at least or whatever. Or charged. Or charged. Something I noticed is every robo taxi I took had almost the same amount of battery life, which is interesting. So I went back there. The guys got my phone, hands of my phone, great, we're all good. We resume and continue our testing.

But that was terrifying. I think if it was lost in a Waymo, where there is nobody in it, and it's going to pick up other people. There's Waymo support, though, on the app. Right. That would have been easier because I still have the Waymo app on my phone

and I can just call Waymo. Well, in your scenario. But in my scenario, with the Robotaxy app being on the phone that I lost in the Robo Taxi, I couldn't call the Robo Taxi support. That was the challenge. That's what most people would experience,

though, because most people don't have two phones. And the phone that they called the app with is probably the one. It would have been even worse for them because they couldn't have, even like put their phone number on the yeah when you do that like lost thing i guess do you get to put what phone numbers in it so i would put the whole thing from your watch yeah i could edit the phone number and put a message on the screens you could have to call your android phone i did

yeah i was going to say most people wouldn't even have a phone number to call yeah if you're with someone it would be yeah if you're with someone you could put an email you could put whatever just to have them reach out once it gets found what if they weren't wearing an apple watch then that would be tough you would not find you'd have to like go have like another device device with high and my on it eventually and what if this was a bunch of cybercabs being run by some random guy who bought a lot of them and is running a business that was the concern is like in the future these are not going to have people in them and uh then what happens like the next person who gets in is just going to see an iPhone on the seat next to them blaring and to be fair i guess

most taxis aren't that much different for ubers yeah yeah so ubers and taxis with a person in them the driver can drive the car back to you like they can go oh this i just dropped this person off and now the phone's beeping, I can just go back to where I was two minutes ago. Yeah. If they're nice. Yeah, I was in an Uber once, and there was a pair of AirPods, like, in the backseat. And I told the driver, and I was like, I think someone left these. And he's like, oh, you want them?

What? No. I was like, I'm going to leave these with you because they may call you, my friend. Yeah. I was like, I'm not stealing. She hopes. Stealing someone's headphones. I find, I guess New York City thing, I don't know, but like, I find AirPods on the ground.

all the time like individual ones no no like like a full pack of AirPods oh wow so I'm curious when you when you find AirPods uh-huh do you a leave them somewhere obvious so if the person retraces their steps they can find them but then someone else could just take easier hide them assuming they have find my and we'll be able to locate them I'd probably hold on to them mark them as lost because you can like tap your phone to them I think and then you can like go to the oh so I've been I've been doing the worst thing. Yeah.

What are you doing? Elis is like scaling a building and like putting it behind the gutter. I try to split the difference. I'll try to like find a knoll in a tree where you wouldn't find them unless you're looking for them. But clearly there's like a smart person. I think there's an easier way to do it. I'm imagining the person who finds the AirPods Ellis lost the fine. He's like, how did I lose them in this tree knot?

How did it get it? That's why I leave a little note. I say, you're welcome from an airport. Do you know when you like open AirPods in your phone and it says not your AirPods and then you can hit like Mark is lost like these are not mine I don't know them. Oh yeah. Makes sense. All right. Well speaking of cars. Yeah. Apparently. So I had the opportunity this week to drive the Xiaomi SU 7. I'm very curious. Yeah. This is the car that, what was it, Ferrari executives were so impressed by. Or Ford executives are so impressed by that they bought one. I think also. Ferrari now. Really? Yeah. Okay. That doesn't sound like a Ferrari thing.

I was pretty sure. I'm pretty sure there are like only two or three in the U.S. right now. Hugo Barra, who we had on the podcast last year, I think. He used to work at Chiammy. He used to work at Google. He used to work at meta. He's done everything around Silicon Valley. He was like, hey, I got one of these. I was able to import it. I'm holding on to it. You should drive it around and like check it out. So I flew to San Francisco. and then I took a cal train down to Palo Alto, met him in the morning. You didn't take a robo taxi? Sorry, we'll get there.

No. I don't think they're running there. They just opened. In SF? They just started. This is a total derailment. They just started doing robotaxi rides in the entire Bay Area. Oh.

But they're not allowed to do it without someone in the driver's seat. So it's just a guy in the driver's seat with the car on autopilot, and it's a robo taxi. Anyway, go on. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Interesting.

Okay. So, yeah, so I went down there to drive it. It is kind of crazy. It feels very, very similar to a Model S in like a number of ways. But it also feels like an Android phone at the same time. It's like extremely modular. So, Xiaomi sells like all of these different attachments and like modular parts for it. You might remember they have a physical like switch attachment that goes underneath the giant iPad in the front.

I did see that. Right. They have this little bay underneath the cup holder area that you can, it's like modular and you can swap in and out different stuff. So there's like an air freshener that will put out different scents. There's a Bluetooth speaker that charges over time similar to on the Rivians. They have a flashlight attachment. They've got all this different stuff.

In the back. Oh, something is very cool. They have speakers in the headrest. So like when you're doing turn-by-turn navigation, it won't interrupt. your music, it'll just play right behind you. That's neat. There's a couple of cars I've tested to have speakers in the headrest, but it's nice to separate that if you're using the in-car navigation ice.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And put the instructions next to your head. Right. That's cool. It has car play, which is kind of crazy because it'll, you know, it has its own kind of Xiaomi ecosystem stuff. And if you, it has like 65 watt charging, I think, in the charging pad area. Nice.

Yeah, it had a lot of really cool features. Lots of the different modular attachments. Yeah. There is a headrest attachment that you can put a me pad like seven in or whatever and it wirelessly charges the me pad and it can be used to control like entertainment in the car and everything. There's a refrigerator in the backseat that's like built into the little console so you can like put drinks in it and stuff and slide it out. Yeah, it was kind of insane. And that car is pretty affordable. It's like 40K or something.

Yeah, this is the crazy thing is like I didn't realize it goes all the way down to like, probably even cheaper even under 30. Yeah, probably like 30 or something. SU7 standard SU7 Pro and SU7 Max and then SU7 Ultra. Ultra is the new one. I forgot they did those names. Yeah, the Ultra is the new one. Do you know which one you got to which trim? It was the Max. The Max. Okay.

So the max starts at 41.3. That is insane. She's crazy. Wait, I thought Pro Max and Ultra were just their driver assistance modes. Not the actual trim. It's a trim for the whole car. The Ultra is like the 1500 horsepower like super crazy one. Yeah. Yeah. But that's

a lot. Yeah, for 41. Although, you know, that's obviously, there's a thing about these EVs, and there's so much talk about competition in the U.S. and, like, if these cars are in the U.S., they would crush because the U.S. cars are all too expensive and don't have these features. It reminds me of Lucid a tiny bit. Lusids are all expensive. Yeah.

But the amount of car you get for the money is still more than the car is worth. They just have unlimited Saudi money to spend on development, and, like, the car you get is more than the car you're paying for. and that kind of feels like similar with this and they have a self-driving system too but it does not work in the United States makes sense because now the roads are mapped so yeah the mapping system like doesn't work and you have to basically use carplay or your phone but they do have a cool like you can you just tap your phone to the screen and you can mirror your phone on the giant screen too this is what the Apple car would have been basically yeah no

it's like it's like a Xiaomi car if you have a Xiaomi phone you tap your phone to it it you put your phone in the little 65 watt supercharger thing you can use your full phone on the display while you're you know while you're driving so you don't actually have to like you know do anything on your phone physically yeah did you have any questions about it i was i mean so you got to drive it drive it yeah does anything surprise you about the way it drove was it more tuned kind of like a luxury sedan type of thing or was it sporty so it is meant to be sporty the problem is that they have this like lock system on it where you have to have driven like you have to have driven like 200 miles

before it unlocks like the faster speeds and Hugo had not driven it that 200 miles yet it only it only capped out at like 65 miles an hour oh so it was kind of hard to even be on the freeway does it kind of like grade you in those first 200 miles to like deem if you're a good safe driver and then it unlocks I don't think so I just pretty sure like DGI drones do this too where like in order to go to like the

sport mode on it or even like to be able to fly outside of they like geofense yeah they geofense it in an even smaller area to like make sure it's not too far away then after x amount of hours or whatever then you can go further this was definitely not geofense though no not geofa yeah but like similar to that we're just like gated i've seen it just like hours is the only thing i'm working on yeah so this one has a certain number of miles but uh i'm trying to think of like what its closest competition would be if it was in the u.s and i'm i'm torn between like tycan which is a sportier thing or like i don't know i guess like a model s would be the equivalent to me it felt a lot like a model s but if the model s was like nicer because it had

it had a lot of strange features like the the chair that you're sitting in the seat when you would go around a turn it would like bend the bolsters hug you yeah i love those it was so weird it was like it would like push into your side to like stop you from like you know rolling or whatever Div bolsters is crazy. It was pretty crazy. It had like Dolby surround. It had a very cool HUD that could be like raised or lowered and it would like show turn-by-turn navigation in front of you. That's fun.

When are we getting those, Marquez? I, you know, Xiaomi, if you're watching this, I really would love to test this car. I mean, there's other EVs that I've had similar things told to me about, which is like, dude, if this was available in the U.S., it would crush. Yeah. The Xiaomi S.U.7 is one of them. Yeah. I would love to test it. Yeah.

So, yeah. I don't think that car could ever. be sold in the US for like 40k but yeah yeah importing cars well tariffs blah blah yeah yeah it would cost a lot more but tariffs at all at all interesting just want to bring that up we just got to test this crazy car called the Cadillac Celestique Cadillac loves the letter Q yeah or a GM loves the letter Q but uh this was a three hundred and forty thousand dollar EV how many SUVs could you buy you could buy 10 but it um at least eight It has this insane interior.

They basically, when Cadillac first started making EVs, they announced the Celestique, and I was like, they're never making that. And then they started announcing others, like the Cadillac lyric and the Cadillac Optic and the Escalate IQ, and they started making those. But then they actually started making this celery stick, is what I'm calling it.

And each one of them is super bespoke, basically. It's like handmade, you go choose all your colors and trims and everything. So the one that we got to test is... Orange. All blue on the inside. Oh, it was buried inside? All blue on the inside. And I should have taken more pictures, but it kind of looks photoshopped.

It looked like I took a picture of a normal car interior and just turned everything in the saturation slider to blue. That's like what every CES concept car looks like. Yeah. That's why I didn't think it was going to come out. Yeah, it's like this hyper futuristic. This is the one interior picture that I have. This is everything. It just looks like you're, if you weren't wearing a red shirt, I would have just assumed.

Black light. It looks like a black light. Exactly. It's like you're at a rave. It was a good time. I love bespoke stuff. I'm all for, like, handmade bespoke stuff. But am I the only one that feels a little weird about like a handmade bespoke

EV because, you know, with the battery replacement, they just have such a shorter lifespan. And I'm not pro-gas car. But like, you know what I mean? Doesn't that sort of feel weird? Like the idea of spending that much and putting that much effort into something that might only be on the road for like eight years? Yeah.

The way I see it, it's kind of just a proof of. not a proof of concept, but it's like Cadillac showing up with this is the best that we can do. And they obviously are not going to sell most of these because they're so expensive and they will bring prices down for things like an escalator or a lyric.

But the way Miles and I looked at this car was if you're just Cadillac and you're like, what's the actual best electric car that we can build right now? This is their example of that. And they'll sell a few of them. And so it was cool to see that even if nobody actually businesses.

As a four zone glass roofs. So you can only tint each corner of the roof. I misspoke. I did not mean to imply that EVs only last eight years. That's crazy. Yeah, no, but this is, it was not a car that you would buy with any sense or reasonable budget. It also looks like a hearse.

Yeah, but that's the Cadillac's great out. Yeah, Cadillac's all look like a hearsees. Yeah. Have you ever seen the Cadillac Horses? They're kind of sick. Who makes Hercas usually? Cadillac. Cadillac?

Yeah, Cadillac makes a lot of herses. I think Lincoln does make Horses. That's just their estates. And Cadillacs are kind of similar. anyway they're aesthetic one of them has Matthew McConaughey and the other one has honestly probably Matthew McConaughey too it's not Abraham

now that we're done talking about cars you never thought that I would talk about a car on the podcast yeah there's a first time for everything you do the automotive content but when it's a phone car when it's a phone car you know I'm there

yeah yeah okay now are you going to rant about this laundry oh I do yeah and I had a great segue too because you said This car looked like something you would see at CES as a concept car. Speaking of things that kind of seem like a CES concept, I saw this tweet on my timeline earlier today, and I opened it up. I'm opening up right now.

It's this guy called Brett, and he's the founder of figure robots. And they make AI humanoid robots, I guess. And it's a video, and it says, here's F.02 in my home using Helix to do my laundry. And I play the video, and this humanoid-shaped robot bends over and picks up a bucket of laundry and holding the bucket with one hand grabs the laundry and puts it in the washing machine

with the other hand. It's very impressive. These kids are watching in awe. It's a human helper in someone's home. It's crazy. He like throws another thing in there. It handles it well. And the comments and the replies are all,

you know, very intrigued and positive. And I'm, you know, as a founder, it's a cool high-tech project. This is the thing that people all been waiting to see. How many people talk about optimists on my timeline every day. But this brought back my controversial take, maybe, when I first talked about Tesla Optimus

and the whole idea of humanoid robots that is now playing out, like, in real time, which is, okay, is a human-shaped robot the answer? Here we go. Or should each individual thing that you are applying the robot to be its own robot? Did you watch Hassan Menach's interview with Nielagrass Tyson they did last week? I just downloaded it to watch them.

They had this exact conversation. Did they? They did. Oh, I'm excited then to watch this. So you're going to get a start. I'm really, I am slightly, slightly away from center towards each thing should be a robot. This scenario right here, if that little laundry basket just had wheels in a cataple, it could drive itself from my room and just launch itself into this drive. That's what I'm saying.

That's exactly what I'm saying. This is my biggest gripe with this is, it's low. loading a washing machine. Not a single person who does laundry is like, oh, I don't want to do laundry and is bad at the putting it in. It's like taking it out of the dryer and folding and putting everything away. And to be fair, at CES, I have seen, although not with my own eyes, but I have seen coverage of robot that folds laundry out of the washer. And it's not like a human-shaped robot. It's just the washing machine puts it in the dryer and then the dryer takes it out and folds and sorts it. And that's a different idea.

of a roboting at home. That's very cool. I like that. So, yeah, I guess, you know, the argument typically with the human-shaped robot is going to be, it's got this general intelligence, it can see the world, it can do a whole bunch of things, it's versatile, we've built the world around the human shape, so you could put this human-shaped robot in any situation, it can flip burgers, it can serve you food, it can go do, drive your car, pick up the groceries, do your laundry, it can do everything for you

in the world that exists today. I get that argument. I just think as far as specialized efficient robots, instead of putting the human-shaped robot in the car to drive it, a far more efficient solution to driving is that the car is the robot, if that makes sense. Yeah. So it's going to play out. I'm just, you know, I'm fascinated by this video, and the replies are kind of talking about both sides of this. Can I show you what I imagined with his kids watching right there? Yeah.

Have you seen this video of this robot, like, malfunctioning at this trade show? I have seen that. There's been way more humanoid robots on my time. A break dancing robot, and then it passes it, and then it falls over and freaks out. And then its legs just start spinning, like in circles and everyone starts backing up. I think as soon as the Optimus thing started getting built, every other company was like, it's time to ramp up, boys. Yeah, time to make humanoid-shaped robots. Yeah.

I would say I am, you know, if there's a spectrum of human-shaped robots are the answer or human-shaped robots are not the answer, I am like, slightly on the side of general robot is probably not the far-term solution. My other thing is I'm so insanely skeptical of all of these because, like, Boston Dynamics has been doing this for so much longer than all of these places have, and their robot looks like the Hulk compared to these. You mean Hyundai? Hyundai. Still, sure, that's just even more proof that they have tons of funding also.

And, like, Atlas is gigantic and usually not doing anything as impressive as these. Yeah, you know, the typical customer of one of these robots is not just like a person. It's typically a larger, it's a lot of money and a lot of investment to decide. These want to be people robots. Right. That's the future that people see is everyone has one of these in their home and maybe it does your laundry for you. All right, hot take. Okay.

I think that, I know you're looking at me weird. I know you're scared. It's okay. It's not that it's, it's, it's, okay, I'm hyping this up too much. My hot take is that I don't really want humanoid things walking around with us all the time because I would rather humans stick to the humanoid shape and that the robots stick to the robot shape. And yeah, I think because I see the far reaching ends of the humanoid shaped robots and that's when people are going to start putting like AI girlfriends in the human robots and then people will stop talking to each other. You have that right now on Twitter. Yeah, but that's not a physical being.

yeah well yeah it depends on a person I guess you can already have a you can already have an AI girlfriend in a little box in your pocket yeah but it's not but if it's human shape I don't want it to be human shaped and I just know that that's the end game for that I just know it will actually not even the end game the beginning game it'll happen very quickly and I don't want that it'll happen too soon for our society that's probably a fair take thanks super fair it'll happen immediately all right we got way more to talk about including a new phone 17 Pro dummy caught in public.

But before we get to that, we always take some quick breaks. So let's do that for some trivia. Was the first one a yawn? Guys, we just talked about a laundry robot for a while. And since this game of trivia, this question we're about to do, both of these questions this episode, in fact,

are not going to be for points. And the reason they're not going to be for points is because last week re-recorded a season finale trivia extravaganza. Let's go. And you, our lovely audience, we'll find out who won later this month. But yes, until we kick off the new season, actually, and then also later this month, we've got, I guess, this is coming out in August, right? Yeah, later this month, we've got some other special trivia stuff for you.

So get ready for that. Wait, really? Yes. Yeah, you were not in that meeting. Oops. We'll fill you it. You're going to be excited for us. And so will you at home.

But, David, you're going to be really excited. But guys, I talked about a laundry robot for a while. So this is not for points I wanted to do one of our special, kind of not really tech. Ques is not tech at all. Because laundry robot reject modernity, embrace tradition, whatever. What? So this robot, right, the whole value proposition is like, it does your laundry. You do other things, right?

But what traditional New Orleans dish was cooked on laundry day? because it was such a hands-off thing to cook, you could do your laundry all day at the same time. Little flip-flop. I feel like I know this one. Nice. I have a guess. Cool.

There's two that I'm jumping between. Well, I will only accept one. Dang. Well, I think I know the one. Well, answers would be at the end, like usual. We'll be right back. Go Pell's. Support for the show comes from Shopify.

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We got to talk about this Twitter iPhone 17 Pro leak that just started sort of bubbling up. there's a picture that's probably hit your timeline at least by now of a guy caught in public with an iPhone 17 development model out in the wild he's got a unskinned phone and he's got this like you know phone in a case which you know typically is how employees have to test these phones without showing off the new design which is top secret um and so it sort of blew up on Twitter I I don't think it's as big of a deal as people seem to be making it out to be it was just this post I don't think I would have put it in here but we got this post and we got the Sony Dickinson Sony Dixon model so I was like let's just put it all together because there's a couple interesting things it makes the dummies seem more believable when we see this it's got also a security I think yeah I can barely tell that the one in public is the new one

yeah because it's got this case that conceals like the new camera bar thing yeah yeah which we kind of all know is coming so at this point yeah we see the new models and the dummies and they all have this camera bar which is new for the iPhone 17 lineup allegedly and we also have colors which are new for the iPhone 17 lineup and are also kind of interesting because didn't didn't we talked about this last week no we didn't last week I said you thought this was like the

regular iPhone colors oh no no that's the pros no that was that was pixels oh that was the pixels wait this is the same colors though no the orange no because the pixel was right limoncello and a great lemon cello I forgot but I did last week say these have to be the normal pixel tens because we all know pro phones aren't allowed to get good colors and here we are with an orange like bright orange iPhone pro and yes so the models are showing the pro iPhones coming in black white blue like a darkish blue and orange which is new we i can't remember the last orange iPhones 10r oh 10r yeah it was peach i don't think they called it peach but that's the color it was and then the regular iPhones the non-pros are black white starlight or

whatever the sort of off white version is and then a barely blue well according to this it's the 17 air is black white star light blue and then the 17 starlight's like gold yeah like that then like a pinkish and it's like a light blue so cosmo and wanda phones and then is that green or blue i'm bad at colors the ted are they call it coral yeah that's like orangeish right yeah yeah um well this comes after Samsung released a press release about how ZFold 7 customers are actually buying the blue phone for once. In the ZFold press release, it says, while black is typically the preferred option among ZFold customers, Blue Shadow received nearly half of all pre-orders. Furthermore, coral red exceeded expectations, making up nearly 25% of pre-orders of the Flip 7. So it seems like

colorful phones are making a comeback, and maybe that's why these companies are actually starting to use. But also this bright orange is kind of insane for Apple. It's sweet. If this is real. Especially on pro. Correct me if I'm wrong, but like the models never do a good job at getting when the pros usually have like a frosted to them. So like is there a chance this could be a little frosted and a bit more muted than this? I think it's kind of accurate where the body is mostly frosted on the pros and then the camera visor is glossy. That's what it looks like. And then on the non-prose, it could be the other way around. You know what this looks like?

This looks like liquid glass. The frost it, the like the glossy camera bar kind of looks like one of those liquid glass. It's always kind of been that where it's basically clear and taking the color from the bottom. But since it's now twice as large, yeah, it looks way more like it. Yeah.

Also on the pros and on the air, they put the flash on the right side. So that's the reason that the camera bar is so big. Yeah, it's very interesting. I wonder if this ends up being real. I want to potentially toot my own horn because I don't remember. But I'm pretty sure I said this when we were talking about where does the air fall in the lineup. And this looks like it's replacing the 17 plus, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's where I took it as. And I think it makes the most sense here. It's like bigger, but one less camera. So you're getting more and less at the same time. Right, which is probably going to incentivize people to potentially by the same time. 17 if they don't want you know or just go to the pro yeah i think this is just like the part in their lineup they're the most confused about and they're just going to keep throwing things until it sticks

because it was mini then it was plus now it's air yeah we'll see if this last two years also and then gets changed into something completely different if this is the actual lineup this leak i think it's like one of the more exciting ones that apple has had in a long time just because the colors yeah just the colors and even like the camera bumps like there's actual differentiation between them now This is the best iPhone thumbnail coming up where, like, all the pro phones are very different. The air is very different. The colors are, like, this is, I can look at an iPhone and be like, okay, we're in this year's lineup. That's not potentially the last three years.

The new pixel, like the alleged pixel 10 looks, in my opinion, much nicer than the alleged iPhone 17 or 26. You think they're going to call it to iPhone 26? Oh. I don't think so. Well, they didn't change any hard. I guess they haven't announced any hardware. Samsung did that to align with the years on the S20. No, you're right.

They did. So Apple did it with all their software at WWDC. Would they do with the hardware too? I don't know. It's not out of the question because they did skip all the numbers for the software. I think they only did it with software because all the software. Like you probably have things with multiple, like most other Apple products don't have numbers associated with them. They're just like the year of it.

Yeah, but then just like. The MacBook Pro, iPad doesn't have like... It's the chip. It's usually based on more like the chip or the software and like... That's true. Yeah. That's my guess. I think it'll be 17.

Bringing the MacBook, what if they're just like iPhone 2025? Like they just start putting the year and there. I guess that would be... But if it's going to launch with iOS 2026. They'll do it next. This is why I said the car thing was kind of complicated. Yeah. And confusing.

2026 iPhone coming in September 2025. Yeah. There you go. I'm also disappointed my Cosmon Wanda phone comment didn't get more love. I still think it's blue, that's why. Wait, no, these?

That's blue. Oh, whoa, wait, you have a different picture. This is the Sunny Dixon. I'm looking in our thing. You have a blue and a green. The one I'm looking at only has blue and pink, so that's why you didn't get a laugh because I was like, wow, moron,

have you ever seen Cosmon Wanda? This is the Sonny Dixon. David and I were looking at the same photo, which doesn't have a green. Can we just do that? Is my blue, your blue thing? Yeah. So, yeah, there was a pink and a green.

Okay. Hence my comment. All right. Well, I guess we'll see very soon. I have one more iPhone question. Yeah. Ellis, what's your battery percentage at? Someone asked me that in person while I was in LA.

I thought I would have asked. We forgot last week, and we actually had multiple comments asking what is better percentage was. We remember this week. Guys, it's not too bad today. I have not charged my phone yet today. No, we're at 66%. Pretty good. Panic attack.

When did you take it off the charger? Turn it off the charger probably like 8.30. It's still plugged in. 8.30? My, uh, yeah. Three hours. It's not that bad. Yeah.

Okay. Nine hour battery. It does die so fast that I was traveling with an anchor mag safe portable battery thing. And when I'm using the phone and mag safe charging, the battery life just stays the same. Yeah. That's really funny. Yeah. You should try the Ridge one, see if you get any more speed out.

I should. No, I should. I should. Yeah. All right. So actually, speaking of... Channel sponsor. I should try the channel sponsor Ridge.

Of course. Speaking of the channel sponsor Ridge one, there is a rumor of the pixel 10, including Chi 10 with magnets. Chee 10? Sorry. Pixel 10. Pixel 10. We skip eight. It's just like a bolt of lightning across there.

Like, and your phone is charged. T2. There's rumors of the pixel 10. having Chitu with the magnets built in, which I think would be awesome. Yeah. Because that would mean you could use MagSafe accessories. You can use any of these magnetic things that just slap onto the back of the phone without a case.

Yeah. I'm a no case guy. I'll throw a skin on my phone sometimes, but I don't usually have a case on my phone. So this is exciting for me. I just thought of a reason why they should be implementing Chitue with magnets. Sorry. And then you can actually explain the good part of this. Okay.

Every phone manufacturer should do this because the chance of people then breaking their phones and having to pay that manufacturer to fix it is far increased because now you don't have, because then you have the magnets in the phone and you don't have to buy a case. Oh, you mean because... Yeah, right.

Why wouldn't they all have... That's Apple's ahead of its time. Well, but Apple also sells MagSafe cases that, like, add magnets to the case too. Yeah, but you only have the option to go no case with MagSafe if the magnets are built in. Unless you get a case that has magnets at it,

like the iPhone cases. Well, yeah, but then it's not a phone with no case because it has a case. Well, yeah. True. Sure. Yeah. It was a bet.

Go on. Explain the rest of them. No, it's okay. Okay. Just to explain this. So, like, I don't know if it was earlier this year or late last year. The Chi-2 standard got released, which is the basically Apple donated, donated, a bunch of magnetic standards to the wireless power consortium, which then implemented the Chi-2 standard, which we've

been waiting for for a very long time. I think it actually was probably last year. But effectively, every first year. Every phone that has Chi-2 is going to have magnets in it now, similar to MagSafe, which is very cool, because MagSafe is probably one of the coolest phone innovations, most helpful phone innovations in a very long time. Then we found out that the Wires Power Consortium separated out Chitoo into Chitue and Chitoo Ready. Chitoo Ready is basically saying that if you put a case on it that has the magnets in it, and I'm assuming it has a little microcontroller in it that says this is a Chi-2-Ready. case, it'll, you know, charge with G2 and it'll stick to it and stuff. That made us very sad because I don't, I run caseless. I don't want to have to put my phone in a case just to use

MagSafe accessories. I think that's lame and you can already do that with like a $3 magnet that you can find, you know, on Amazon or whatever. So we were kind of thinking, oh no, of course, now Google's just going to do like Chitoo ready or whatever. Yeah. But now there's a very very, very, very strong chance that the pixel is going to have official to you. This comes from a leak from Evan Blass. He has tweeted pictures of the Pixel 10, Pixel 10 Pro, Pixel 10 ProFold, alongside a new obsidian color for the PixelBuds Pro 2 and the Pixel Watch 4. But the most interesting thing is that one of the leaked images that he shared showed the

pixel 2 with a new pixel snap wireless charger attached to it, which looks very, very similar to a magsave puck, but with more... bounded edges, basically, instead of being, like, sharp. And that effectively confirms that it has the magnets built inside the phone. Because the charger is, like, stuck directly to the phone. Yeah. So. Yes, please.

That's very, very exciting. We've been wanting this. I would love this. I've been waiting for it for so long. I keep having to put my phone in a case that I do not want to use just because MagSafe is, like, that irreplaceable to me. Yeah. And now with it being built into the phone, right?

I'm a little, you go ahead. I'm a little nervous. I might get let down by this pixel. It's lining up to be such a great phone, and I'm already, like, mentally going, like, yeah, this feels like it's probably going to be my next phone. And then... I pretty much have it on pre-order already.

Well, you know, I was just talking to Ellis in the car this morning about this. But they, I at first was kind of disappointed that they weren't going really flashy because it's the 10th one, and I thought, you know, they did do something big. Like, the iPhone 10 was a very different type of iPhone, very revolutionary. but considering their market share has been rising fairly significantly over the last like

two to three years this exact current design of pixel which we've had effectively since pixel seven where it's got the camera bar but it's rounded yeah um I think that that's very popular and people are starting to buy the phone and their their average sales have been going up and up and up there's enough momentum that they don't want to shake it up too much I think they don't want to shake it up too much I think they just want to make it better they want to make it but It is kind of like jewelry, and this is why I said that I think that the Pixel 10 this year actually looks quite a bit better than the iPhone 17 if the rumors are all true. The renders are all true.

Yeah, so it would be very cool to get that. If the renders are true, then the Pixel 9 looks better than this year's iPhone. Yeah. That's crazy. That's crazy. Yeah. But speaking of Pixel's very quickly, this is kind of a little quick hit. There is this, there's a concept of these pixel.

over-ear headphones that someone made on Behance. That looks so good. And they look... This is so good. They look so good. We don't often tell you to pull over in your car if you're listening to this and like pull up the video and watch what we're about to talk about, but you guys need to see this. Yeah.

These headphones look amazing. So someone made this concept that's supposed to compete directly with like AirPods Pro, but it's... Or AirPods Macs, sorry. But it is so Google in every possible way. Like, I could see this person being the lead. designer at Google for headphones. They look so good. It's hard to describe them.

They sort of have this telescoping band that wraps around the ear cups and it is metal and then they have the same sort of like pixel gloss finish and color and then they have a few buttons that are like the bright orange color to kind of like accent it.

This is interesting in the ear cup design is so wild talking this much about like just a design that isn't even going to be real but it's just looks so good but like do you know how the um nothing ear headphones were like a squircle and then a circle in the middle of it yeah this is a way cooler and like sleek version of that this like nice matte like beige yeah where the circle then just like melts bevels into yeah the like square ear cup and then the buttons are on the bottom of that circular like beveled into it oh my goodness

it looks so good i would buy these even has renders of it on like someone's head and they look freaking They look very amazing. David said that he wanted to talk about this and I was so hype because I specifically want to beg Google to hire him and make this real. Siddhant, I think, is

I'm not 100% sure I'm pronunciation. We'll put it in the show notes, but like these are amazing. There are some things, tiny things I would change but I mostly like them a lot. It's got a headphone job. You don't want the power button. So there's, I think, two things I would change.

No, I like power button. The chrome, the chrome, the chrome, arm on them would get like very fingerprinty so I'd probably want that to be Matt maybe I don't mind it it looks really cool and it's clean that's obviously great the other thing is I've been using the Sony WH

1000 XM6s and just just like the touch control on the outside to go next song previous song swiping on the side of the headphones sucks every time every pair of headphones it does that sucks and it reminded me of the surface headphones you remember those

Yeah, with the dial, the ring, we could change volume and move. I kind of want a little bit more of that on these. So I see it, there looks like a volume rocker on these headphones. I want like a next song and a previous song without having to swipe on the side of them. It is kind of sad because Microsoft has effectively killed a lot of that product ecosystem. But during the life cycle of the Surface product ecosystem when it was at its peak, when they had the Surface Studio and they had the Surface headphones, that dial was sort of a fundamental kind of object.

because they had the dial for the Surface Studio, which was like this wireless puck that you could use for drawing and drafting and stuff, and they integrated that same design into the headphones so that it felt very cohesive. That's great. So, yeah, Google could theoretically. Do you remember Surface Buds?

Yeah, those were the worst. Those. Do you remember why it was that big disc and what the feature was for it? So you could swipe and PowerPoint on your earbuds. Oh, man. I remember reading at like press release. They showed us that at Microsoft,

and we all just went, uh, cool. Also, those were the most uncomfortable earbuds I've ever worn. They were the hardest plastic. Like, they did not mold to your ears at all. They were so hard.

It was, but it's a sacrifice. So bad. You'd be willing to make to be able to move to the next slides. Why are you even wearing earbuds while you're talking, why you're talking to people giving a presentation? So you can be discreet about it.

Like, and if you look at the next slide here. Every time you're just like, yeah those were bad that was bad they um they make clickers for that just so you know yeah but i agree with you i'm anti swipe on any headphones i want a physical button because i hate just like adjusting in your ear and now the volume and the song has switched and yeah you know what i've settled into because all these headphones have auto play pausing

you take them off i hate that you know they i've started just using it for everything especially when i want a plane you know you can do the like cup thing for some of them or you take one ear back or you could like hit the button to play pause literally a song walks out to me i just the music stops whatever i was doing is gonna pause the sony ones that you can put one hand over one of the ear cups yeah but i don't want to talk to somebody like this that's true i just don't like that it looks so rude i feel like it just looks weird and then mid conversation your hand just comes off you start listening to music again it is a pretty obvious your eyes glaze away yeah i feel like I intuitively understand what's happening

when you do that though. No, you get it. It just makes you look like a jerk. Because you're like you're not important enough for me to take off my headphones. I also haven't worn over your headphones on like a really long time. But at these Google ones are out. I've just been on so many flights lately that I've just gotten so fed up and I've just taken them off every time.

That's just my... Really? Yeah. Speaking of fed up, the Fediverse corner this week. A baby! Would have been so sick right there with that, but we don't have one. That's funny. It's true. You know what we do have? Trivias. is this trivia federated trivia it is not federated but wait bit chat no that's not federated though i know okay anyway anyway let's keep it classic so ip ratings those are a thing

the microsoft zoon had a what ip rating the original the original Microsoft zoon that is the question it had an IP rating it had an IP rating that's the question like what was the IP rating of the Microsoft Zune. 67. What was its Ingris protection rating? I'm going to have to think about that one.

I don't really remember the original Zoon for a while. I had the Zune HD, which was also not very memorable, but... I had the Zoon Pro Max. I thought the Zoom H.D was like the famous one. The Brown one. I just don't think it was particularly IP rated either.

Particularly IP rated. I have no clue what the answer is. Neither are a one plus phone. We'll think about this one for a while. answers at the end. We'll be right back. Deep cut. Welcome back, everybody to the Wave From podcast.

We're your hosts. I know I do this every time. I'm Adam. Okay. We, you may have heard a few months ago, I believe, that Eric Mijikovsky, who was the guy that invented Beeper, who we did a whole thing on, and then Beeper is now part of automatic, and then I went to an automatic party about Beeper, and then it was weird. The guy, Eric Minkowski, basically was able to get back all of the rights from Google, because Pebble

was sold to Fitbit, and then Fitbit was sold to Google, and so Google eventually had all the rights to Pebble. One step also in between here is he already, like we talked about this a little while ago. He was relaunching Pebble, but he had to call it core design. Right, so, yeah, I was getting there. Oh, sorry. So he was able to get Google to release all the copyright for the Pebble hardware stuff. So he decided he wanted to relaunch it because now, you know, Pebble was like one of the first smartwatches.

Wow. I'm impressed that you got Google to do that. Yeah, I know. They were like, yeah, I guess we're not really doing anything with it. Wow. Yeah, so I think they open sourced it. Yeah. So, yeah, now he's making it again.

It was one of the first smart watches and now everyone feels like they have two. much of their phone throwing things at them all the time so they want less stuff and pebble because it was an early smart watch is less stuff it is also not quite e-ink i don't think um it's e-paper e-paper but anyway one of them is right the other one is they both are okay he needed to call it core devices because he did not have the right to the pebble name right which was very funny because one of them used to be called the pebble two duo and then now it was called a Core 2 duo, which was an old Intel processor. But very recently, as of I believe this week,

he was actually able to get the Pebble name back. So officially, it is now Pebble again. Multiple people in this office are super excited about this. Yeah. There are dozens of us. Alex is already planning to order. I mean, I want to get one. They're pretty sick.

The most shocking thing to me is that Google is like, sure, you can just, like, why do they even, I guess. I think they were just not planning on doing anything with it. So they open source it. still i mean they own it not anymore i mean when they did own it i just feel like i'm surprised that a company like google give it away for free would just give that away for free yeah and go through the you're talking about the hardware or the name both both true that's that's all of what pebble is this will come back and bite us and we don't know how yet he did say like i commend him for this

blog post because this is like the this is how every update on like a project should be ever it is a simple no bells and whistles very text-based blog post that's just like listen tlDR at the top here's the good things here's the bad things read about it quickly you could read this whole blog post in less than 10 minutes and know everything you need to know about these watches yeah but he opens it up with we've been able to recover the trademark for pebble honestly i wasn't expecting it to work out so easily yeah yeah i would not either can i share my favorite part about the pebble re relaunch as someone who was obsessed with the pebble when it came out was too young to like have enough money to buy one and now now I'm an adult I can um all of

the the repo marketplace for all of the original pebble watch faces and apps and stuff is still up and these new core pebbles since they're running just an updated version of the OS it all still works assuming that the web services are still up so like these watches are dropping with like thousands of apps and thousands of watch faces and like it's you'll get to it. It's it's a immediately dive in to like this super cool i don't know i am just yeah well they also and they're not called core anymore they just are called pebble time too now and pebble core two duo and yeah the core is in the model name yeah yeah well at least it is on the website at the bottom no the website actually is not even updated or wait hold on he has it in here it said it right at the top

it is now called the oh this is the it's called the pebble two duo and the pebble time two there's no core in it crossed our core yeah i'm still on the re pebble website. Yeah, on this, okay, sweet. Oh, no, Pebble, it's just called Pebble now. He got the Pebble Trammer. I am so excited, you guys. This is so exciting.

Oh, but when you go to pebble.com, it goes to store. com. He's got to buy that too. Well, even, I guess he doesn't have the domain. He just has the name. That's funny. Interesting.

Even in the I want one, it's still called court to do and court two time. He even says in the blog post, I've been calling it core for so long, I'm going to mess that up. And there's like four instances in the blog post where he calls it the old name. That's funny. But I'm excited.

Very cool. Sweet. This is the farthest away from my Garmin watch. I feel like it could ever be. And I kind of look it. Yeah. This is what I, you know,

I don't like smart watches in general. And so being able to have something that's like sort of a smart watch, but also really dumb, but also has really good battery life, but also looks kind of weird. And has great watch faces. Yeah. I'm kind of excited about that.

David, I've gone full circle with you. When I met, I was exclusively like an analog. watch guy and you were a smart watch person and then I watched you get into analog and digital watches and then I got my first Apple watch and fell in love.

I exclusively wore that for years. And now we're both going to merge. No, now I'm back. I've stopped daily and I took a selfie a few weeks ago. I think I mentioned it. I took a selfie and I'm a pretty little guy and I was just horrified. Do you have an ultra?

Yeah, I have an or I have I was testing the office as ultra one. Yeah. We're going to meet in the middle. with an e-paper watch. Yes. It's going to be fun. All right, I have two small stories that I want to talk about very quickly.

YouTube Jump Ahead is coming to TVs. I don't know if you guys know this feature. I use the feature all the time. Yep. I feel a little bit bad because I know it just skips the sponsor. No one uses that feature on our podcast, so it's fine. That's true. Don't feel bad about skipping those sponsors

because no sponsor marketing agency is smart enough to understand that that view's not going to that. Andrew, Andrew, our sponsors. Yeah, don't. We love all. I mean, everyone watches ours. That's true. Nobody skips. That's why we make Ellis do them.

Yeah. So that's coming to TVs, which is very cool, because now when I watch on my projector, because I often will sit in my bed and watch some stuff on my projector in the evenings. Nice. Quite nice. Can I do this next one? Sure. Because the guy who made the video that you wanted to talk about was one of the YouTubers

I recommended in a waveform recommendation game. I remember so long ago. Ben Jordan. Yeah, he made that like driverless cars will never work video. He made the really good driverless car video. he's made a lot. He does this really goofy thing where he oscillates between like really serious stuff. Like the world is is a scary place right now video. And then he'll do this video, which is called, uh, why don't, yeah, wait, I have to bring up the actual name.

It's called, I think it's called I downloaded a PNG to a bird. Saved a PNG. I said, I saved a PNG to a bird. Yeah. And it's incredible. It's where he converts a PNG to sound. Yeah. gives that, teaches a bird to sing that sound, records that bird in another location, and then reconverts it into a distorted version of the PG. You should go watch this video. It's very good.

This guy's like an audio engineer who is... He's a musician. He's like a musician. And if you go back on his YouTube channel, most of his content was like music content. And in the last like couple of years, he's just started doing like wild stuff and it's like really, really good.

He's amazing. Yeah, he's very good. He's one of those people that was like, It's funny that you did anything else before being a YouTuber because you were like kind of made to do it. Yeah, because he's got that perfect mix of like the video quality is not like insanely good. He's just like setting up wherever he can, whatever. But what he's actually doing is like so interesting and scientific and smart and cool. That's what matters.

Yeah, it's very like Tom Scott core in a lot of ways. Mark has you would really like this channel a lot. He's able to. Yeah. Yeah. So what was funny about this is that he went to basically teach. this cockatoo, I think it was called a, is it called a cockatoo? It's a bird. Yeah, they can repeat things. Wait, wait, we have the birds. Do you have birds? I got birds, boy. That's, that was

Ben Jordan, actually. We just sound very similar. He plays the sound for the bird, but he doesn't hear it actually repeat it. And so it's repeating all these other sounds, but he's recording the whole thing. And he's like, well, guess it didn't repeat the sound that I wanted it to record. And then he goes home and he's just like, looking at the waveform, and he's like, wait. And he sees a frequency, right? Yeah. Yeah. I believe it's a spectrogram. I I can't quite remember from the video. Well, he, the way that he, like, made the sound was he, like, drew the sound in some software, and it created the sound. And then he played that.

And he didn't hear the bird make the sound, but he was recording the whole interaction. And he goes home and he just, like, throws the audio on the spectrogram or whatever. And he randomly sees the photo of the bird that he had drawn. And then he, there was a section where the bird just, you know, did the sound. But just slowly and quietly. That's cool. Ben Jordan, we'd love to, we'd love to meet you sometime. We could talk audio.

And yeah, and this guy was like, this guy would be Ellis's best friend. I think, I think me and Mr. Jordan would be quite, quite good friends. Yeah. So, all right. Well, with that, I think that we should answer more questions, actually ask more questions. Did we do a second trivia question? Mm-hmm. I guess we should answer more questions.

And it's not for points. Yeah. Guys, question number one, throwing it back to New Orleans, go Pels, go Saints. I'm not actually a fan of either of those teams, but today I am the great city of New Orleans. Guys, instead of having a robot do your laundry so you could do other stuff, what classic New Orleans dish was traditionally made on wash day, Monday, so that you could wash your clothes while these cooked without you touching them? Can I guess two things? I am between two.

This is like the worst phrased question I've ever given you. No, but I apologize for like, I know, but I was thinking the whole episode, like when I read it for the first time, like earlier to the episode, like what a minute. smosh word salad of nonsense. I just picked the one that I'm sure I spelled right. Then we have the same answer. I tried to spell the other one. You tried to spell the other one? Oh.

I wrote that, then erased it, and then put the easier one. Just know if you guys get this wrong, no one is allowed to go to Mardi Gras. And all three of you got it wrong. But you might as well read the answers anyway. Dang it. Andrew and I put gumbo. That is wrong. And I said Jambalaya.

Yep, also wrong. Two delicious foods that. Do you guys know the difference between New Orleans? Yes. But the correct answer was, oh, we have no drum roll button. Why not? Close enough. It's red beans and rice.

Oh, Claire's that and Claire are obsessed with that? Because you have to cook the beans all day. Because they're hard otherwise. Yeah, exactly. Anyway, we're not going to do a quick update on the score because this is purely an exhibition match. We all got it wrong. Showcase game. Okay, update on the score.

I've got an score. Marquez with zero. Andrew, David, also zero. Andrew, carrying the one with zero. All right. Next question. What was the IP rating of the Microsoft Zune? Not the HD, the OG.

Not the Ananovi. Nick Fan reference. Damn, Andrew, you got it already? Oh, yeah. It's course. It gets everywhere. Okay. I'm going to win this preseason.

game. Post season. Post season? No, postseason is usually more important. Yeah. Preseason is just for funzies. Like this. All right.

Flip them and read. What do you got? That was probably an X. What did you guys say? I did IPX4. I did IPX3. I did IP 45. Is that out?

Nope. It did not have an IP rating. I knew. I knew it. I knew. I asked. At the beginning, I was like, this is probably a freaking... Yeah, when you said, is this a trick question?

I was like, oh, he's on to me. Dang it. Yeah. Well, we all got tricked anyway. Yeah. I hate to see it. Well, I'd love to see that. It's officially August.

You know what that means? Pixels this month. iPhone's not this month. You're going to get some information. Yeah. As the weeks go by. Very soon. I'm going to get the orange one.

I decided. I think this is going to be my... I think all of us are pre-ritoring this thing. Yeah. The one of the iPhone. iPhone, I'm getting the... Oh, sorry, pixel and iPhone. Oh, I was talking with the pixel.

Oh, I was talking with the pixel. The pixel's not in orange. The pixel's in Friks. Gotcha, yeah. Still ordering it, though. In Lomencello? I would like to take this opportunity to say, this is not goodbye.

This is... See you soon. Oh, no. You're not supposed to tell them because we have to trick them to watch. Well, you'll, you know, it'll still be very exciting, obviously, but I will be out of town

as I've mentioned for two episodes of the podcast. Not three? Yes. I believe it's two. Three would have been if you didn't make it this week. What are you doing, Marcos? I will be competing in the World Games event for Ultimate Frisbee for Team USA. So hopefully we have a good time.

It is in Chengdu, China, so I cannot join the podcast from the other side of the world. Even if I did, the time zones would be too crazy anyway. So yeah, I'll be missing two weeks But the crew is going to hold it down And we're still going to talk tech And when I get back We'll catch up on everything that I missed And we have lots of fun stuff planned

For your absence So make sure you... Trivia's going to be worth 50 points each when you're going to have Too much fun without me And also everyone send Marquez good vibes That he wins world Good vibes and good luck Comes back with a big trophy

We need another one That would be nice So you'll be here for the pixel 10 Exactly barely Yeah right on time Nice. So yeah, thank you again for watching and for listening and for tuning in this week and subscribing, of course, because that's super important.

And if you did subscribe, that means we'll see you next week. And if you don't, Marquez will lose. Oh, bam. Oh, my goodness. How do you do this? We've heard it's produced by Adam Lee and Alice Revin. The Vox Media Podcast Network is the people that produce us and our music is the vane-sill guy.

Bingo. I'm down. I think that's pretty good, right? It's pretty good. Hot take. The Zune HD was the single greatest designed MP3 player of all time. What? MP4 player.

You know the iPod is this. Yeah. Did I stutter? by it? Did I stutter? That's crazy.