Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - The Phone of the Year is...

Episode Date: December 12, 2025

This week, the crew sits down to talk smartphones. They go over each of the phones that Marques picked and offer a few hot takes along the way. On top of that they also talk about the Android XR show, a new smart ring from Pebble, and the Xiaomi SU7! Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Links: Verge - Google Project Aura Verge - Pebble Index smart ring Adweek - Google Gemini Ads Video of Tesla robot MKBHD - Smartphone awards MKBHD - Xiaomi SU7 review This episode brought to you by: Framer - wwww.framer.com/design (code: wave) Grammarly - wwww.superhuman.com/podcast LinkedIn - www.linkedin.com/mkbhd Wealthfront - www.wealthfront.com/wave T-Mobile - www.t-mobile.com Music provided by: Epidemic Sound Social: Waveform Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Waveform Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en Waveform TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Hosts: Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Intro/Outro music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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online argument every year. That's such a good Reddit post. You know it's funny? I watched this and I was like, wow, I agree with all these. And I was like, oh, wait. I was part of it. Damn, this is a good ass list. Yo, I love this list.

That's hilarious. Yeah, what is up? People of the Internet. Welcome back to another episode of the Wave Forum podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew. And I'm David.

And it's December, which means there's still huge videos happening. and still a lot to talk about, which is very exciting. We had two really big videos we can talk about from this week. We had the Smart Phone Awards 2025, so feel free to argue with me about any of them. And we also had the Xiaomi SU7 video go up, which was a long time in making. We had to import a car, a whole bunch of living with it, shooting it. It went really well, and obviously that video's been out. Also new Android XR stuff and glass and a pebble ring.

But first, I just wanted to shout out that this channel is, a mirror at the time of recording 4,000 subscribers away from half a million on YouTube. The Wayform YouTube channel is so close to 500,000 subscribers. So I just want to give that little nudge. If you're watching on YouTube, or even better, if you're

listening somewhere and haven't subscribed on YouTube, go subscribe to the YouTube channel, and then we'll be able to celebrate before the end of the year. It's the last chance to hype us. It is the last chance to hype us. We become ineligible for hype once we cross over the threshold. Oh, true. We want to pass the hipes on to

other changes. Yeah, help us graduate from hype. And once we hit 500K, Netflix will put us on the platform. And we will be part of Warner Brothers Discovery. By the way. Oh, my God, yes. Someone, I think it was on threads. There's a clip. Yeah, there was a clip from us from a year and a half ago predicting that Netflix would eventually buy Warner Brothers. Predicting is a strong word. Well, joking, but also it turned out to be right, oops. Unless, you know, that kind of thing. I can see it now. Netflix, Paramount, Skydance, Discovery, Warner,

Wave 4. Wave form, that's right. Excuse me? Waveform, Netflix, Paramount, Skydance. Look, Netflix, I know that you're getting a bunch of hostile bids for Warner Brothers and you might not even be able to buy it, but if you want a good B plan, we're available. We have like $6. I just want to say, speaking of hostile bids, hilarious story that showed up on a timeline

this morning. Okay. it was just someone who is squatting on lambo.com obviously waiting for a certain car manufacturer to scoop it up got nothing out of the deal a judge ruled that they were acting in bad faith and then so what they didn't get yeah I know this is they own it when you're a pirate when you just like sit on a domain because you know you're going to eventually sell to someone that's maybe arguably good faith that's called

capitalism that's like reserving it for their rightful owner but I read the story and it's like this person called Richard Blair from Arizona. He bought this for $10,000 in 2018. Lambo was already well known to be Lamborghini by then. But then he listed it for $1.1 million in 2020 and then raised it to $1.5 million, and then raised it to $3.3 million. And then raised it to $15 million.

And then by 20203, just settled it at a nice, even $75 million. I see nothing wrong here. That's like having a house on the market and it's not selling for years and you just keep raising the price. Yeah. And he claims that Lambo is just a pun on the word lamb,

and people call him lamb. Just like Ligo-Fleggos. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So anyway, he didn't get the money. That's crazy. I kind of think so.

I think they had plenty of money to buy that from him a long time ago. He took a big risk. But this reminds me of, for a while, it doesn't seem like it's anymore, but Steam.com feels like almost the opposite. it. But for a while, like, Steam the video game platform is Steampowered.com. So Steam.com used to be, you would just go onto it and it was like this white page with background of a bunch of pipes. And then it said, welcome to steam.com. Steam.com is the former home of Steam Tunnel operations. And then just says, this domain is not for sale.

Damn. And now it just doesn't resolve. Yeah, now it doesn't resolve to anything. So is it for sale? Still probably privately owned. I feel like that person just really hated Steam. I feel like by this point, Steam doesn't need that domain anymore. They don't. Everyone already has it. Nobody, yeah. I just think the whole Lambo story, if they didn't buy it by 2018 and Lambo was just sitting there as a domain in 2018, that's on them, bro.

I don't know why the judge would rule that. Yeah. I mean, you already knew Lambo as Lamborghini by then. By 2018, of course. But nobody was, nobody, I guess it was like accidentally people going to Lambo.com. How many buyers are you going to get? I guess that's the thing. What's the conversion rate of someone who accidentally goes to lambo.com instead of

Lamborghini got.com? Did you really lose a customer there? Two Lamborghinis. That's a good point. If you're Googling it, you're not buying a Lambo. Yeah, exactly. So it's like probably not as valuable to them, but it would be nice to have. And then they just, he raised the price.

And then they sued him instead. It was more just like the judge took the domain from him. Yeah, but they would have had to sue him to get it, right? Did Lambertians? Did he have anything? on the page or was it just a he did oh it was something on the page oh i can see that what was on the page yeah i can see was it just like pay me this money was it something because if it's something i have your children uh or yeah like uh targeting lambo yeah Lamborghini it was a bitcoin wallet

address he directed lambo dot com to a separate personal website where wrote a track reported that he posted a statement that says i am lambo of lambo dot com and i will defend defeat and humiliate those endeavoring to steal any of my domain name brands, including my moniker. You... How many does this man have? He was in for a fight. That guy, a little too much confidence going into that one. Yeah.

It's a little funnier knowing he had that statement and watching him lose that. You also have to assume this guy wasn't very good at bargaining, because he probably had, he was easily making more than $10,000 he paid for it. Yeah. Yeah. But he had to go up to, what, $70 million? 75 million. He probably could have gotten $500,000 out of that pretty easy.

He won it all. He is hiding every single. single part of this domain on the who is lookup page like he is ever everything is hidden I think it's not his anymore on that for like three years now yeah I'm guessing he's squatting on more than just that domain yeah so nice maybe he'll get some money out of the other ones well Lego if you want to buy league of Legos.com for me I still have it available how much $75 million um I think it was like 12 bucks I don't know so 75 million starting 75 million is a fair is fair of market value.

Do they raise the price on you every year? No. Who'd you? Yeah, who? Well, it was Google domains. Back in the good part of the internet. A certain domain seller that maybe is sort of similar to buy Mommy. Every year raises the price of my obscure-ass domain.

Switch off of that. You can transfer it. I can. Yeah. Yeah. Oh. I recommend it, actually. I bought it.

I bought it for $1.000, like, because it's just a, it's almost a random string of characters. What's the domain? I don't want to say it because, well, I can say it's. Can you bleep it out? You own it. Yeah, it's Ellis Rowe. Oh, that's cool. It's not something that anyone would ever need.

It going up is proof that your popularity is climbing. They raised it by over times when I tried to renew it. What? Yeah. Like, bleak this out because I don't want to get the numbers wrong. And like, yeah, but I bought it for $1.000. And when they renewed it, they were like, that'll $1.000. What?

Yeah, for the year. And I was like, I'm going to do this. But you're acting in bad faith. Yeah. I feel like I shouldn't say this into a podcast microphone, but mkbhg.com has not changed in price once. What? Yeah. Since we first, like, got it.

I think you're getting scammed. I wonder if all VIN domains went up in price. Maybe that's what happened. Yeah, maybe like the global winery industry, uh, experienced a age. No, VIN is, is the one for vineyards. Oh, no. The Italian word for wine. Maybe they're mad at me because I'm not making wine.

As far as they know, I am, but, you know. They're trying to price you out. So some wine making. I will say going back a little bit further, I think it's a bold move to hear a story about a guy holding onto a website to try and get money and then immediately say, hey, Lego, I'm willing to sell. Me doing the exact thing. Do you think Lego is going to want that domain?

Either Lego or Riot. And I've got League of Lego and League of Legos. Well, League of Legos isn't correct, right? No, no, no. Legal Flogos. It's League of Legos. Isn't Lego not a sports bar? Irish Sports Bar that sponsors the soccer league.

But you don't use Lego as a plural, right? It's Lego bricks. Oh, true. Is the plural of Lego? Yeah. It's like Apple AirPods. AirPod. Yeah, Lego Bricks.

Yeah, there's no pro. So you can ditch that one. Or it wouldn't even be Lego's Brick? yeah I want everyone to know we do have actual news coming up oh right right right right sorry yeah are we still on topic or are we still on that I think we're on topic anyway okay so what happened this week what do we want to talk about there is actually a lot of stuff this week I I'm very happy that things keep happening because it's usually around this time of the year that we're like the things stop happening yeah the things completely stop happening that molecules stop vibrating the absolute zero starts entering although in New York it's close to absolute zero right now it's the heat death of New York it sucks but one of the things that did happen this year this month this week, was the Android show XR edition, which Andrew, if, not Andrew, Adam, was very hyped about.

I was. I watched the whole thing on 3X, so. I could be hyped, but I didn't watch it, so it's your job now to write me on this? Well, so now they're doing like more Android shows per year. They're sort of trying to like just have Android be this rolling update thing as opposed to those big platform releases. And one of them is XR.

And clearly, you know, the Vision Pro style of XR, is falling out of popularity. However, something that they really wanted to kind of like drive home during this Android XR edition show was that we have four versions of XR currently in development, which felt extremely similar to the video that we did about the difference between the Oculus version of VR and like the meta, like Rayban Smart Glasses, but they put two more in the middle because there is a new product coming out called Project ORA, which is made by XREL with Gemini.

And have you ever used, like, those X-Real glasses before? Yeah, they're like the, they look like regular glasses, but then you essentially flip down, like, blinders, I guess, in front of you, and then they can project a screen so you can watch stuff on those. They have the screen no matter what. The cover is just to, like, black out the background, so it's easier to see the screen. And then you plug them into a device. Yeah, you can either plug them into, they now have wireless casting,

which is cool. But they really... That would have been so nice for our third-person video. that we did. Oh, if that lagged, though, that would have been... Yeah, there was definitely some lag in there, no matter one. I have a stupid question. Go for it.

Is X-Reel and N-Reel the same thing? They rebranded from N-Reel to X-Reel. It's the same thing. Stupid. Yeah. Anyway, so, yeah, you can project virtual experiences onto it, sort of have, like, multiple displays. The battery puck looks extremely similar to the Vision Pro battery puck, but it is also a track pad.

That's kind of sick. It's kind of interesting. Yeah, you can use the trackpad. I was not excited about this until I saw them use it as a track pad. I was like, that is so clever. Yeah. You can plug it directly into your computer to get an additional screen above your floating screen, but also your screen. And then because it is built with Google alongside them, Gemini is available anytime about anything.

So that actually, in my opinion, is probably the most beneficial feature, is that you just constantly have this Gemini assistant who sees what's on. on your screen and you can talk about things with and it can provide actions for you. Yeah. So that's being developed right now. They still don't have like a price or availability for it, but they did show it to a number of journalists as well as detail them a little bit more. Can I confirm something real quick? Sure.

So it's wireless casting, but there still is a wire hanging from it for the for the battery. Okay. So it's not totally wireless. I believe you can also plug it in directly to your computer. Okay. Yeah. Cool. Okay, they are also working on AI glasses which have a display and which do not have a display

because they're with Warby Parker and Gentle Monster, which are very different brands. They showed, they showed like this video of the Warby Parker people talking about glasses and they were just very like suave and kind of casual. And then they jumped to the Gentle Monster, which is this is like Korean hype brand. High fashion. High fashion. And they did it for like a minute. It was like five minutes of straight AB back in.

for between the two sets. And I was like, this is very, this was a choice. Exactly. And it seems like the way that they're thinking about the Android XR platform is that it's going to exist across like multiple different types of devices. Yeah. You know, just kind of like how Android exists across multiple different types of devices. But the biggest benefit about making this, um, ubiquitous platform that works on multiple different devices is that they've made it so you don't have to code your apps differently for different types of devices. Right. So if you're using like the Xreal glasses for example and they have the screen and you have an uber app integration say you're wearing the x-rail glasses or say there's a future in which there is a smart glasses with the screen because

the x-row glasses in this context are just like showing you what uh android x-ar will look like on more like meta rayband display type glasses but imagine you you know you call an uber with your glasses you get the little notification in the bottom that shows like how long it's going to take for the uber to get there. Then when you look down, you can see a map of the area around you and where the Uber is. So then you can like walk to the Uber. That was like their, their big kind of showcase. But the big benefit was that they said that you don't, like developers do not need to code anything differently. So as long as they still have these integrations for their actual Android app, it automatically adds all these features for Android XR, which I think is a pretty

big deal. Yeah. They also unveiled new likeness features, which is their equivalent of personas. And honestly, they looked very, very good. They kind of looked like the new generation of personas. So they skipped that really creepy. Gimicky weird part. Just keep forgetting what each one of them is called. Like is Aposonas. And then likeness. And then there's Samsung's, whatever that one's called. They all have a different version of it. Yeah, yeah. The better all of these get the more they look like old bad portrait mode photos where like yeah the things everything in the middle is really good but then the cut out of it gets worse and worse and like more fuzzy yeah like really good visual yeah um also you can now turn any 2d content that you're viewing

in android xr into 3d content including youtube videos which i found very interesting so you know how apple in the vision pro has that feature where you can spatialize every anything and also on your iPhone. Now you can specialize literally anything, which is I think pretty cool because it makes you want to actually wear it more because you're actually getting a novel different experience in the headset. I want to try it out because I'm curious how like different kinds of content are going to behave with that. Do we have the Project Moonhand headset? Do we have one? We don't have it here. Oh, we don't. Okay. Well, we could try that. Or no, we do have a Galaxy. Galaxy XR. Yeah. Yeah, we should try that then because I think it's. Oh, it works on. Oh, the updates out.

It's across any Android XR device. Okay. Yeah. I will try it. And then they also introduced a travel mode, which is basically the travel mode that they introduced for the Vision Pro. So we get on a plane, it doesn't have your windows flying behind you. You have 500 miles an hour?

Perfect. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool. Okay. And then kind of as a secondary to that, they did give some hands-ons with Google's Project Aura smart glasses, things. I'm excited for these. Yeah.

Victoria Song at the Verge said that Google told her to consider. it a headset masquerading as glasses, which is an interesting way to put it. But they have a 70 degree field of view, which is quite wide. I think usually these kind of headsets have about 40, so that's a lot. And they do have integrations with the pixel watch and other smart watches. So basically you can take a photo on the headset and then it'll appear on your pixel watch. And the reason they're doing this is because as they expand the Android XR platform, and they know it's going to be across multiple devices, there might be some XR devices that don't have a screen.

Yeah. So if you take a picture on that, you can just see it on your watch to get a preview of what it looks like. Oh, that's smart. Yeah. Okay. So they're kind of trying to make this whole XR ecosystem. And then the big news that they announced was that iOS users can also use the glasses

as long as they have the Gemini app installed. It's actually an enormous deal. Which is actually a big deal. Here. So if Apple never gets into making glasses, just like they didn't get into making cars, then you know then there will be a fight for the iPhone users yeah there won't be a fight

Pixar made cars oh right I forgot and cars too electric boobleau speaking of wait for it wait for it there's a good segue somewhere

hold on things that have microphones in them that you can wear on your body speaking of wearables oh my god that was obvious speaking of wearables pebble announced a ring with a microphone in it yeah okay

it's at first I was like this is the dumbest thing I've ever heard and then I just read through it there's obvious use cases for it you want to just like whisper into your ring you know a nice command that nobody else can hear in the room and it's like an easy way to say it and no one else can hear it yeah you just whisper it it literally said whisper on the website and I was like picturing that's interesting I was wondering why you immediately went to that and not just like that yeah a ring's right there and you can talk to it well yeah I guess so it's that it's convenient it's on your hand you always have it in your hand basically but it

It's also you can like hold it right up to your face and it doesn't seem insane. Yeah. And so you can whisper to it and nobody else can hear you. Yeah. The way Eric Mijikovsky, the guy that made this who is the founder of Pebble, brought it back. We talked about that a lot. The way he pitched it to me was that it is a second hard drive for your brain because he says he has things all the time that he wants to remember or like create a task for or a calendar event for. But he always forgets to do it unless he does it like in the moment.

So he put a button on a ring. it's a physical hard button there's no wake word and you press it and it's very hackable so you can do single taps you can do double taps you can do triple taps

you can do tap and hold and it can do different actions but the main point of it is to be able to record some audio into it which it has local memory that stores on the ring and that sends it to your phone and it uses the MCP protocol

which is like this new AI protocol the Anthropic made they just donated it by the way Yeah, they donated it to everybody, which allows it to perform actions for you. So right now in the Pebble app, you'll be able to, like, save a reminder, or you'll be able to make a calendar event. And the whole point, basically, is just to have something that is just instant, easy access that you won't have to, like... And you can only do that in the Pebble app? You have to have the Pebble app.

But it can take actions in other apps. But the Pebble app is just the connecting, like, thread. but for example Eric told me that when he saves notes he always does it in Notion so he has it immediately save a note to Notion which I thought would get you guys excited yeah I kind of want this now yeah you can only use it for two to three years though because it's a one-time use product that was that's the part this this is the weird I've seen rings charge I'm not sure why they chose to do this this is the weird thing so yeah it has about it has about two years of battery

life because it can you know it has a battery that they send in it and you record a certain amount of audio and it can last that long and eric's kind of like reasoning for this was that you would have to have a proprietary charger and if it lasts two years you're gonna lose the charger that was his reasoning i lose the ring before the charger my charger just sits in a spot yeah so it's i don't i don't love that it sort of feels like it's uaic he said you can send it back to them and they'll recycle it and then you just buy another one because they're 75 feel like that that is e-waste doesn't feel like e-waste well it depends how they're recycling it right it's like if they're taking it apart and putting a new battery in it that it's different and

if you get money off the new one if you get money off the new one i should or i should be able to it's literally just sending it back and getting a new one because the battery died where a charge should be pretty cheap or free right i shouldn't have to pay full price again right i agree seems like i think they haven't thought that far ahead yet because it lasts two years and they're just releasing this yeah i by default don't really love single use yeah products like this in general um but we'll see how how they're recycling it's a cool idea but i just wish you could charge it yeah has he confirmed this is not coming to the watches that they're making that are also thing on wrist that can talk to you can do that on the watch you can do it on the watch yeah yeah okay

it's just he said that it's for people that preferred to just like wear a ring or you You can use it with your watch and it can sort of do multiple actions. So you can ask it to do an action adding something to your calendar or whatever and then it'll show up on your watch to confirm if you want to do that. That kind of stuff. That's cool. So it's sort of, they're building like a pebble ecosystem in a way. And they're $75.

So again, it's like fairly cheap. They come in Matt Black, probably just for you. All right. You got me. Gold and silver. It says if you record for 15 straight hours, then you will kill the battery. Yeah. 15 hours, roughly, total.

That's sort of the, yeah, the estimate that they made for the two years was like if you if you use it for like one minute a day for two-ish years, then you get about that. I think they're missing a great opportunity here where instead of putting a microphone in the ring, they should put a speaker in the ring and make it thumb-sized and then make a much smaller microphone ring for the pinky, Bluetooth it, every phone call, yellow. Damn. That'd be dope. Pebble, I'm hireable.

The cool thing, though, is, like, Eric is, like, very hardcore about things being open source and hackable. So everything about this ring is open source. So the community can do whatever they want with, I don't know, it's an extra button that you just have on you all the time. So it's sort of like an action button, but it's on your hand instead of on your phone. I think that's cool. The concept is super dope.

Find a way to not turn this into key waste. Yeah. Yeah. This is really cool. I mean, you know, or it dies and you just use it as a ring, I guess. there is that too but I I don't love I don't love the idea of just a single use products like I'm mostly hyped that this is coming to the watch because I've been more and more wanting to get the watch lately totally and this seems like a cool thing

isn't this just what Gemini is going to be doing like you know the race to talk to Gemini thing on like the pixel watch yes sorry or if you have glasses that are listening for your wake word I like the button though I like pressing a physical thing yeah like that's cool And theoretically, in the future, it'd be nice to have multiple ways to interact with this, depending on the way that you like to wear things, you know. If you don't want to use a pixel watch and you want to use a ring instead, if you're a ring guy. It's also waterproof. I feel like if I get all my best ideas in the shower and I don't have my phone or my glasses on.

You don't have a Google home in your shower? No, I don't. Wait, a minute. No, it's terrible. I don't have that. Yeah, I'd have to be just outside enough to where you'd be like yelling through the curtain or door. and probably annoying and yeah and splashing it yeah

allegedly ad week in Minecraft posted an article claiming that advertisers working with Google at least two different ones have indicated that ad placements inside of Gemini's AI mode will be rolling out in 26 this is obviously the AI mode just in

like in the search results where like or rather the results the separate mode yeah but that's all they're really is. And Google denied that? So, yeah, according to Google's VP of global ads, Dan Taylor, quote, the story is based on uninformed anonymous sources who are making inaccurate claims.

There are no ads in the Gemini app and there are no current plans to change that, which is kind of intentionally vague, like no plans to change that this year. Yeah, exactly. It feels. Oh, yeah, he does specifically say right in the start, there are no ads currently in, there are no ads in the Gemini app. and there are no current plans to change that. There are definitely plans.

Is AI mode or not current? They're future plans to change that. This feels crazy because Gemini still feels like a beta program. It's wrong all the time. Here's some anecdotal evidence. I listen to a disc golf podcast and listen to all four hosts the other day

make fun of Gemini because of how wrong it is. These are non-tech people just randomly getting Gemini stuff and being like, yeah, but don't trust that. They did the same thing. Yeah, really? Pretty common knowledge

that like no one takes this seriously. I had a non-tech person be like, you know, I saw that like Gemini is at the top of the AI leaderboards or whatever. And whenever I try to use it, it's completely useless. What are the leaderboards? There's like, there's a website that does like a series of trials and stuff like that to try to guess which one. And the newest version of Gemini took over Claude as like the top of the top one. Most capable. Yeah.

Smartest. Yeah. Although open AI's code red is coming next week, I believe, or this week. Yeah. Whatever that means. If you're plugged in enough, it seems like everyone's panicking over Gemini being so good. Yeah. Oh, wow.

But if you're not plugged in, it seems crazy. But if you're the ones using it, yeah. I just wanted to point a finger here because I think I've, I've whittled it down to where tech in the last 10 years has gone downhill. And I told you I apologize. I'm blaming it on PubG. Whoa. Explained. Not specifically that, but PubG to me feels like one of the first, not the first.

extremely successful alpha paid for games that came out where they made so much money off of this game never even getting to beta let alone a like public full release they claimed but they made so much money that they're just like we can still just keep shipping a broken ass game and people will pay money for it yeah why did since then everyone's just like I don't need to finish this project people will pay for it and I hate that And I loved PubG, but I think it's PubG's fault. So that's really interesting. Why did people buy PubG so much if it was so broken?

It must have been still really good. It was still really good. You still have to get over the threshold of being really good. So that if it does have bugs, it's still worth trying. It is. But just like in all those scenarios too, like people assumed that the game would be finished. And you're like paying 30 bucks to get the game and you'll keep it once it comes out as a full release. but then they just kept realizing like we're the most popular game on steam right now

everybody's playing us that's the thing we just don't need to leave alpha if people vote with their wallets and it turns out the thing that they're voting on is we don't actually care if the game is finished we just care that it's good now then everyone takes the hint and just starts copying that yeah what even is alpha and beta and in a game gamma in a game i guess there's just unfinished features that are not ready or like different modes or whatever that they're going to ship that they're not ready to ship yet but they ship one mode, and it's like, isn't that just all software now, though?

Yeah. Well, that's what we're saying. All software is forever in beta. Yeah, there was some inflection point where that became the standard to ship something and charge people for it that's not done yet. Right. And people became okay with it because the part that they're buying was good enough. Yeah, like Star Citizen.

Yeah. The game that is still tactically and early airily access. I was going to say, I'm minorly wrong already. I guess it did technically get a 1.0 release in 2017. It was out for a bit before that. But the first game became insanely popular in Alpha. And I guess they did update it. So maybe it's not all PubG's fault, but I'm still blaming.

I'll go back further and blame Google. Because there's like an inside joke now where you're like all Google users are just beta testing whatever new software and features and stuff to do. And now they've turned it into a feature with pixel drops. It's like, hey, now you're in on it. You know, it's like, look at this. I just feel like we're all buying beta software lately. The game Star Citizen, which is still in early access alpha, has nearly weighed $1 billion, $922,579,978. It's not just, it's hardware, too.

Yeah, yeah. Like, remember when someone was like, hey, we're going to sell you this truck and eventually be able to go put an extra battery in the truck, just buy the truck now? We're going to sell you this pin. You know the story. Oh, we know. Well, I wanted to point a finger, and it seems like I'm already wrong about that, but still just mad about all. Didn't Minecraft do this first? Did they?

Yeah, you could buy Minecraft and it's alpha version, I think, in 2010. I'd rather blame Minecraft. I guess that's the other thing. It's like, if you're labeling it as the alpha version and unfinished and you're honest about that, but you still make it for sale and people still buy it and give you tons of money for it, it must have been good enough. I will say also, as someone who was in. Alpha Minecraft player in the 5th and 6th grade, it at no point was ever unstable. Like, I can't recall it ever crashing.

It was just maybe missing a mode or new feature or something. Yeah, it was just like dirt simulator. It seems like it was in alpha for five months and beta for 11 months. Technically, isn't Alpha supposed to be for like internal testing? Dude, I don't know. Now, that's the dog food version. Yeah, I thought that was alpha. And then beta was like external testing.

Like, then you release it to users and, like, check how... I just think that literally everything is in beta now, because everything is constantly being developed. Alphas are the ones that need to get paired with omegas in order to anyone. The point you're making is true, though. Like, the more I think about DIA, this browser, it's, like, clearly not finished. There's tons of features that they're obviously planning on adding, but they shipped it super early because people wanted the core of it, allegedly.

And it's, like, kind of always in... beta like they're always adding tons of stuff yeah so does it feel significantly better now by the way dia yeah yeah i can pin tabs now i have all these like i can double tap to rename tabs there's all these features that they're added from dia or from arc yeah so yes i know it's getting closer to arc but i keep wondering when the point is when i can actually switch because i just love arcs i think it crossed that threshold for me with like two updates ago okay because of the pin tabs i still wish i had mobile sync and i still wish i had like two spaces to swap back and forth between sync tabs but as of right now it is good enough for me i don't think they're doing spaces

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Thank you, Marquez. Between Google Glass and yesterday's event, Google had a secret ARXR project that was canceled in 2023. What was the code name of this project? What was the secret? So it should be really hard for us to know. The Verge reported on it about, I think it was a few months. after it got canceled, and then a bunch of Google employees were like, yeah, this existed,

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to the biggest tech online argument of the year it's time i took that directly from a reddit comment about the Smart Phone Awards, but it is super accurate, so shout out to Iron underscore Quirk. Smartphone Awards are out. I gave my favorite and best and worst and most notable smartphones from 2025. I'm going to go through them all, and maybe if you guys have alternate opinions

or thoughts on my awards, obviously some of you guys help chip in and we discuss these all kind of as a group, so some of you probably already got your thoughts in. But for the pod, we can go over each of the awards, which one won, and some thoughts. and some arguments that happened online about them. Yeah, afterwards, I took some of the most common comments and arguments I saw.

I'm glad you did that. Let's go through the list first. All right, let's just go on the order of the show. For the beginning best big phone, Xiaomi 17 Pro Max, huge 6.9-inch display. When are we going to get a 7-inch screen on a phone? We're probably pretty close to that. But 6.9 inches is like as good as it gets without being a tablet. And it had everything.

It had the Snapdragon 8 Elite. It had the 7,500-m-amp-hour silicon carbon battery. It had all of the specs. It had the triple 15 megapixel cameras. And then around the back, it also had a 3-inch full brightness, 120 hertz corner-to-corner screen on the camera bump. And it was actually very useful. Crazy.

Super fast charging, 22-and-a-half-watt wireless charging, reverse wireless charging. Hilarious. Just a complete use of space. No argument. Everyone agrees. Just like their car. They just went way too hard. That's actually kind of true.

Wait, was this the one that had the reverse wireless charging at 22-90? Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's so faster than many phones charge with the wire. You're faster than some battery banks. Yeah. Yeah, very valid. I don't think there's anything close.

Am I crazy? I ran her up to, I mentioned the Apophine X9 Pro because it also had a lot of this stuff. Just the screen on the back was what separated the showmy. Right. Because technically, if you count the total screen real estate, it's basically seven inches. That's what I was thinking, like, fair enough.

Screen to body ratio. If we were going back to those days, like what do we start adding? this to 120%. Well, it's funny, actually. When we had that, remember the concept phone that had the screen and it wrapped around the back? It was Xiaomi, right?

Yeah, it was Xiaomi. It was the Mi Mix. Ultra, I think it was called. Me Mix Alpha? Alpha, I think. Alpha, I think they did quote a number for the screen-to-body ratio for that phone. Really?

And I don't remember what it was, but it was definitely over 100%. Oh, it was hilarious. Yeah. Anyway, yeah, that was Best Big Phone of the Year. Now, best small phone of the year is where it gets interesting. Yeah. Because, well, we used to give this award

to like a 5.8 inch screen-sized phone. And then that was the Zen phone that went extinct. So then we started giving them to like 6.1-inch phones. Last year it was this iPhone 16, I think, 6.1-inch phone. This year it's like all the small phones are not like incredible anymore and they're all getting bigger. And there's just one type of phone that maintains, that preserves like some element of small phoneness and that is the flip phones.

Yeah. And specifically the Z Flip 7 this year with its like full corner to corner four inch cover screen Yeah was more usable than ever as like a take it out my pocket use it put it back in and never open the phone And I was like you know what I think I'm gonna reward that as like the best of a compact phone experience because you can still open it and use it as a 6.9th flagship fine But it was more usable than ever as a closed phone and that's why it's a small phone in the year That's what this should have been this whole time I've been fighting for this for a long time but I'm all agree I think this is the most deserving since it has gotten a runner-ups before and honorable mention I think considering they finally added basically the full screen to the front

yeah and in a year specifically where people are doing anything to not use their phone like using Apple watches as their phone in a little case or you know just like finding other ways to be able to be in communication with people while not looking at their phone I think a phone that you do not have to open if you don't want to is a very good uh... small phone awardee. The reason I always felt like this one should have won one small phone is because if you ask people why they got that phone, it's because it folds into something smaller. Like, yes, it unfolds into a bigger screen, but that's not why they got it.

I'd always, I always mentioned that because it was like, yes, it folds smaller, but like, that's not while you're using it. So I didn't, I didn't reward it for that. I was like, yeah, you're using a huge phone. And then you fold it up smaller and put it away. So it wasn't until you really could use it small that I like flipped that switch. Get it flip.

But also honorable mention to 1 plus 13S, which had a 6.3 inch screen, but they called it the 13S because it's the small one. And it was a pretty good phone. All right. So, yeah, there we go. That's Ellis's next phone, the 13S. Yeah.

Is it small enough? Ellis will never move. Ellis will never move. I know, but I would never use a plus phone again as much as I like the open. But I will say the 1 plus 13S intro we did. I think was my favorite video intro. Really good.

One of my top three of this year. Yeah. It was a fun one. All right. Next one. Straight into the ones that people had alternate opinions about. But best camera.

Oppo Find X-9 Pro took the win this year. Correct. So good. It was, this is a triple 50 mega, sorry, a triple camera system, 50 megapixel main, 50 megapixel ultra-wide, 200 megapixel telephoto. And, you know, I took a lot of sample shots. I was debating this. I was, we literally, I think we had, like, alternate trophies.

Like, we were ready to give this to, like, two or three different phones. And I was testing the Vivo X300 Pro. I was testing this, testing the iPhone. And I just found that this one was the most versatile and the most capable at the same time. Yeah. And it had the fun. Yeah. So great primary camera, really consistent, awesome colors, great detail, great dynamic range, and all that.

Ultra ride was really good. Then the telephoto, thanks to having 200 megapixels, was very. very, very croppable. We'll talk more about megapixels in that upcoming bonus episode. But there's also the Hasselblad, like zoom lens that you could attach to it, which I had a lot of fun with. It's not the best thing in the world, but it was super cool and fun. It also had really good portrait mode, good night mode. Pretty good video too. You could shoot log. It was 4K. I like that complete package. I think my favorite thing about this phone's camera was how natural the boke looked. That was important for me over the Vivo. Yeah. So the Vivo, very similar set of hardware.

but just had like this weird over-processing going on with it. And I was doing a lot of side-by-size because I was like really happy with the detail in the Vivo shots. But the, I think because of how much processing and a lot of those AI processing was going on, the Boka started to look weird, even on regular shots of just like a single subject. And it wasn't consistent enough for me to give it the win. So that was important. I felt that the color, the skin texture was like perfect. It wasn't overly smooth and it wasn't overly sharpened.

and then the naturalness of the bouquet, especially on the telephoto, but like on any of the lenses, but especially on the telephoto with the Haselblot attachment, when you get that long, yeah, that long look with like the natural sort of fall off, I thought it was like, I could not distinguish this between this

and an actual dedicated camera. Whoa. Yeah, it's crazy good. Yeah, the shots from the Hasselblad attachment lens were kind of insane. Yeah. So it was a lot of fun. Does Hosselblad now partner with Apo in the same way they used to partner with

One Plus? They are partnered, yeah. And I think they will probably continue that longer. I think Apo and One Plus shared that partnership or something. Yeah, I don't even know how to describe the partnership. But yeah, One Plus dropped it. They're all under BBK group. That was my following question.

Yeah. I mean, when you said like, I was thinking about giving it to Vivo, but I give it to Opo, I just imagine that picture of Obama giving himself the metal. Yeah. The BBK trilogy, yeah. they're all part of the same giant group but yes this is like the first time there's a lens attachment that you seemed excited to use not excited to use you've been excited to use ones but you use it and you're like wait this is actually like yeah yeah good and fun and also the build

quality of that lens is crazy oh hassleblots got a reputation they can't just put their name on any sorry DJI's got a reputation yeah fair enough uh yeah honorable mention still goes the iPhone 17 pro the video is still undisputed this is the reason the reason the the iPhone was winning so much, almost every camera award before this, is because the video is ahead and shoulders and a head and more shoulders above every other smartphone that I use. Ask anyone who shoots stuff on social media and uses phones to shoot them. We have an entire channel that we run just on phones, and guess which one is the most reliable that we shoot the most with.

It's the iPhone 17 Pro. That's because of the ease of shooting. That's because of the quality of the footage, the flexibility, the log, the dynamic range, the look. It looks better than ever this year. And all I did was, like, add Genlock. Like, they don't even shoot. There's no 8K.

They don't really do much to it every year, but it's just great every year. I kind of want them to add to it. I want them to get rid of some of the point light problems at night in the low lights. I kind of want them to get 8K and improve the mics, but it's just the best video on this. I want them to add true raw, because right now they only have pro raw, and you have to use all these apps. And there's all these apps that are blowing up, like, the moment pro camera 2 app got really big and then halide. and if Apple just like sherlocked all of those by next year just announcing

all right we're just allowing true raw out of this camera in this like promode setting I always wonder about that so that in 8K I always wonder about because it seems like a storage problem and I don't know if it's it's not even a problem it's just that they don't want to give people the ability to fill up their entire phone storage

with an hour of video I think the Apple is more afraid of people taking photos that they don't like but they let us shoot log which is yeah Like, they give us pro features and people who know what they're doing can shoot, quote, ugly videos and then make them look great because, like, 4K log looks, quote, bad and then you make it look great. So I figured they shouldn't be afraid of that so much. I guess so. I think that they're definitely leaning more into it, finally, and I think they're getting a little less afraid of it.

And honestly, like, every single year, they have to release some new camera feature, right, because they know that the camera is the main selling point of a lot of these phones. that's why they had announced Genlock because it's a pointless feature for literally like 99.999% of people even most people on these sets but you know it's a new thing that they can say like look how even more pro this is now so

notably friend of the show Mr. Mobile Michael Fisher who hates iPhones with a seething passion still carries the newest iPhone on him just for like B cam footage to put in his videos says a lot he could carry anything but for videos you know what it is.

So yeah, that was my runner-up and my winner. And I also mentioned the X300 Pro, but any other camera thoughts before I move on? Have you not tried the 8K uploading from Pixel up to the cloud so that? Oh, God, I have 24 hours. I actually remember having really high hopes for that. What did they call it? It was like post-processing Google Photos.

Like you could shoot a certain mode and your photos or videos, I think mostly videos would get like this mass of quality boost. Number one, the quality boost turned out to not be that. big for most of the stuff that I tested and number two is that even a phone feature like you it's uploading it photos feature post processing it's technically pixel only but like yeah that would that was tough it's good in low light because it gets it gets rid of a lot of the like low light artifacting and noise yeah but it takes like 20 hours yeah so it's not it's tough it is tough and it appears in your girl photos I like the idea of like offloading super high processing stuff

to cloud that's not a new concept but that just It just wasn't it. That just wasn't it. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Next up, best value. This is one that gets a lot of chatter every year because this is, there's a thousand definitions

of best value. Most phone for the least money, best phone under X dollars, however you want to phrase it. I went with the CMF phone two pro. It's under $300. It's the best phone under $300. But it's also the, I feel like it was really close to flagship feeling. It's like a big smooth screen. The software is super smooth.

It's got great battery life and all these things. It's got multiple useful cameras. And it was just like a very good usable phone in the price range. And I thought that deserved. It also had like the fun orange color and the modular accessories and all that. So that was a nice cherry on top. But I did give a runner up or a mention to the MotoG Play, the Pixel 9A, and the base iPhone 17. All good values in very different price categories.

I'll throw something out there to just another reason why I think this CMF phone 2 Pro, the nothing phone 3A light is the exact same phone. And it's $10 more and one less camera. And has ads on it. And has ads on it. I forgot about it. Which makes this phone look awesome. Yeah.

Very good strategy for winning an award. Put out another phone. Sabotage your own sister company. That looks like a way worse deal. Being able to buy any phone in 2025 under $300 is pretty awesome. MotoJ is under $200. That's crazy. That's insane.

It's funny because Moto excels in this category a lot every year and never quite breaks into like true flagships and it's almost like they're destined to have like a cap of like you shouldn't buy a Motorola phone over 400 dollars yeah you probably just shouldn't like get the razor or anything under it right don't get the big the edge phone just not a good buy yeah edge for a thousand it's like why it's crazy yeah okay best battery this one i also feel really good about one plus 15 ridiculously long battery life i went i tweeted about this i went three straight days i went Friday, Saturday, and Sunday without charging the phone, all day for all three days, three hours of screen on time, all of those days.

So I ended up with like 10 and a half hours of screen on time, and the phone was still going. Now, do this to Smart Watch's Challenge. Carmen, accepted. It's pretty incredible that we're about to get a bunch of phones with 7,000-bri-bauer batteries next year with Chinese silicon carbon. Yeah, so like Samsung doesn't, Motorola doesn't, Apple doesn't. The ones that are big here are not doing it, Pixel doesn't. So they're all like kind of capped.

And if they did, that's the thing is a lot of these phones would be awesome if they were silicon carbon batteries. Like iPhone Air would be way better. S25 Edge would be way better at a silicon carbon battery. These folding phones, their thinness, they'd be way better. Anyway, the point is, this slab phone was just as thin and light as the previous one. It added 1,000 million hours and it still charges that a bazillion watts. So when it finally did die, I plugged it in for two seconds and it was back to 100%. So it was like, there's a no...

clear that's how it feels yeah so it was great uh it also was super fast wireless charging i gave runner up to the shami 17 pro max and i did also mention the doji s11 ultra i want to make it's probably not even the right name but it had an 11 000 milli ampower battery s 200 ultra i think is what it was called they still doing that it was the biggest capacity battery of any phone in the studio this year dang when can you not go on a plane with it anymore it's pretty Pretty close to that, right? Oh, it's a... Is that?

It's 110 watt hours. Or 100 watt hours? 100 watt hours. So I don't know how that translates because there's voltage and comparisons. Anyway, great battery life in this phone. No regrets. I think that one deserved the award.

Yeah. Can I say this sandstone and this trophy shot? Mm-hmm. Looks great. So good. It looks so good. It looks so good.

It's so pretty. I want to be able to use a phone that color. I just don't like that the bezzles around the outside. I can see them all the time. Same with the orange iPhone. being able to see the orange from the front yeah yeah it's a little picky thing of mine anyway yeah if there was no cap for real for real on american phone batteries or like western phone batteries that would be nice because i we're just locked and loaded down to like 40 400 or whatever all day

i have it all the one plus 15 is available for pre-order on AT&T it's still not i still haven't been able to switch my e-sim to it because the whole like government shutdown FCC didn't I'm going to prove any new phones for a while thing. So I still haven't been able to get my, my AT&T sim in it, but it's coming to 18. Are you going to mainline it? Yeah. Really?

Yep. Even with the bad cameras? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Because I'm going to have the iPhone on my other pocket and the hustleblot in my back pocket. Right. Back pocket? Is that a hossablot in your pocket?

It's, yeah. Metaphorically. Okay. Design Award is next. Yeah, there's some comments about this one. Are you doing other comments at the end? Am I doing? Yeah, I'll do comments.

If one particular. pops out but yeah i'll do most of the comments at the end so design award i gave it to the iphone air and there's probably six phones i could have given this this too but i the iphone air was so uniquely like i this is not a good phone for me but i want to be the type of person who could use this phone because when i was testing this phone i was i was loving it i was like dang this battery sucks dang this lack of an ultra wide sucks but oh man holding this phone using this phone. It's so ridiculously light and thin. Using any other phone directly after it feels shockingly bad. Yeah. Weird. You know, Quinn was, Quinn Snazzy Labs on YouTube was, was posting

online. He's, he has been posting about how much he loves the iPhone air and how much it like just is an awesome phone that feels amazing. Because it's awesome. And then he posted either yesterday the day before like, oh no, the iPhone air just feels like a regular phone now and everything else feels insane. Yeah, yeah. You get to this point. It ruins you. So, like, I tested it.

I think I used it for, like, a week and a half for my review, but continuing to try to use it after, you do get to this point where it feels, it starts to feel normal, and you're like, oh, it's finally worn off. Maybe I'll switch back. And then I use this iPhone 17 pro, and it was like, this is heavy. This is a thick phone. It's not even that big of a phone, but it was like, it changed. It just warps your perspective of phones.

Yeah. Yeah. But New York is not a real place because I keep seeing the air everywhere. like yesterday i saw five yeah and it's what like a failure by sales standards yeah it sold 10 of what they thought it would sell yeah oh but it is but it is out there and it is really clever they rearrange the internals you got to think on apple scale that's still a lot of phones it's a lot of phones you're seeing that many yeah that's fair enough and they were all in new york and san francisco yeah the highest density of iphone airs and z folds i will say one comment i liked about

the thin phones is and this goes for the S25 edges well a phone is only as thin as its largest part which is that was interesting and the way they described it the best was Socrates said that actually if you had

so what is this again 5.6 I think it's 5.5.something something yeah so like if you had a 5.7 millimeter hole to slide this phone through it wouldn't make it all the way through because of the camera bump right and same

with S25 Edge. I think the thing with that is is like, yes, I agree that it still doesn't fully mean as that thin. But also, I just don't think there was a ton of other design things this year. Maybe the...

I'll give you the others. I'll give you others. Because I had some other mentions. I will say the, like, thickest part of the phone thing. In handfield, you never hold the thick part. So it's like the thinness

is the part you're holding. Anyway, I mentioned the Xiaomi 17 Pro. which had the screen on the back and that design was awesome very complete phone I mentioned the S25 Edge which had better

spec execution not better design execution it's more of like a brutalist square version of the thin thing but it had a primary like real flagship camera to match the S25 Ultra and it had a second camera

and it had a bigger battery so it was like it felt closer to usable every day but wasn't as like shockingly awesome to use still very cool overall battery life was probably still worse though right because worse than the big phones yeah yes no worse than the air

um i don't know if i've compared them directly but they're both not great yeah and then holding both i think the iPhone air feels better which is like buying this is like a hand feel thing and kind of but like yeah because you can emphasize yeah you can emphasize thinness with like the curves and the the chamfering and the purport they just did it very well yeah i also mentioned fairphone six which has obviously the most repairable most sustainable phone design maybe ever and actually kind of feels pretty close to a regular phone it's still a little thick but it feels very close to a regular phone this year a nice accent color power button you loved the switch too yeah so shout out to the switch on the side switch too wait are we how are you going to talk about a phone design award and not talk about the

nothing phone three because I like to reward good design that design it was brave you love Spin in the bottle of us. Yeah. I... Play spin the bottle every day. The phone, yeah, the weirdness of it never quite wore off to me of the nothing phone three. Oh, the pointlessness of it. There are a lot of comments about nothing phone three.

We'll get to that. We'll get there. I thought that design aged like fine wine. The more I looked at it, the more I was like, that is a good looking phone. I thought the prettiest phone of the year was the one plus 15. personally. If we're just going off pure aesthetics, which I know is different than design. Interesting. I think the

Nothing Phone 3 aged like wine similar to that bottle of Snoop Dog wine that's been laying outside of the parking lot for like six months. No, that thing is cool, man. That thing is cool. Is there still wine in it? I think it finally exploded. There might be vinegar in it. Yeah. That's an interesting take

the one plus 15. Would you, the sandstone one you think is the best looking one? Yeah, that would look so nice. They had this like purple violet one that was interesting to look at. Yeah, well, and like the way the light comes off of the ceramic back too is like really pretty I know it's like sort of a mat not mat but it's not it doesn't exactly have a texture but the light does come off of it in a really cool way I like the matte black one it is yeah you would say that well it is the darkest matte black phone I've ever seen oh that's a good point so I thought that was nice that's a good

point yeah can I throw a design award out yeah actually I almost have two but that TCL next paper bro that switch that switches it from like color e-ink to regular e-ink is like i think it's one of the most jaw-dropping things a phone has done it's pretty cool in a long time i want to rewind that it was like when the sermon in church it's like a really good bar everyone goes yeah preach andrew yes it's i feel like we barely showed that thing off just the animation i know we barely showed that thing off i still get tweets They're like, what are you going to talk about the TCL next paper? All right, make sure we show a clip of B-roll in this, but like it has the switch that goes between colored e-ink

to black and white e-ink and the animation. Yeah, it's awesome. Is Chef's Kiss. I think when I first saw it, my jaw literally dropped. It kind of looks like the Harry Potter, whatever the magazines are called in Harry Potter. Oh, like the quibbler. Is that what's called?

Or the images move on the paper, and you're like, this seems crazy. Yeah, it's like magic. It's pretty cool. I have to throw that in that. That's valid. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah, you know, ultimately, I gave it to the iPhone air. I don't regret it. And I just need them to give it a silicon carbon battery and dual cameras next year. I know they're not going to do it, but I need to put that out there. Wait. I have a suggestion for next year. Okay. What if we remove the best small phone award, since there really are none anymore?

Go on. And then we add, like a best technical. Achievement Award. Because we had the screen on the back of the phone this year that you can actually use. Best gimmick. I like best gimmick. The best gimmick is cool. That's interesting because there's a lot of stuff that comes out that qualifies for that.

You could say the screen on the back. You could also say like one of those super thin foldables with like no crease could be interesting. You could also say the E-Inck. Display that we just spoke about. Valid. Okay. Yeah, best gimmick. I love the idea of it, Adam.

But you have to put yourself in the perspective of these tech companies. right boardrooms across the world are saying look market research shows people don't want small phones the things people do want in their phones will not fit in a small phone but we have to win the mkbhd small phone of the year award this is the only thing keeping the category alive it's why the one plus 13 exists but all they did was make a not small phone and put an s next to it and the only reason that's small is because they said it was small i'll take it man slightly smaller I'm open to bring in the award back if they actually released small phones.

We should hold the award hostage until someone breaks. I know this phone had some issues, but shout out to the minimal phone. That was a small phone. I'd say the light phone was small. The light phone was even smaller. I never used that. The light phone was like a squawks.

A little box. Yeah. The light phone design looks so cool that I want to use it, except it as literally I couldn't survive. I couldn't work or do anything on it. I thought the design was nice. Eric Mijikovsky, the Pebble Guy, owns the website small Android phone. Because he wants there to be another small Android phone.

75 million bad faith. If you're going to make a ring, I feel like you could make a small Android phone. Don't let your dreams be dreams. Yeah, come up. This could be awesome. This could be real. Yeah. Bring it back.

There's a whole award waiting for it. Bring him back with a sex bag. Yeah, no, I like, we'll play with this. I think this small category award will be really interesting next year for the design category. The best gimmick of the year for you. Okay. I think it's the screen on the back. I'm trying to think it's on the on the shami right? Yeah the the shami 17 pro. So got that we've got the nothing phone three which is a bad gimmick. That sucks. What about the Hasselblad camera attachment? I think that's a cool game. That's really cool. That's a good gimmick. Yeah. Trillions of

dollars spent on AI assistance and not one one mention in this conversation. Apple intelligence. I will say I I shot the Xiaomi car review on the Xiaomi 17 Pro, and I've always been doing this thing where I use the primary cameras, and I flip the camera around. Oh, now you can see yourself. And I've gotten really good at that with not being able to see myself, but I could see myself on that phone. That was, like, super useful. That's pretty cool. I think it's got to go to the Xiaomi 17.

I think best gimmick would be great, because there's all these Chinese phones that we can't use consistently, but they all have awesome weird gimmicks. Yeah. Thousand-watt charging. Yeah. What? And I feel like... Not actually that was a lot. Gmics used to be bad.

And now I think there are actually useful gimmicks on phones, on good phones. There's a, there's a, there's a spectrum. Yeah. There's definitely good gimmicks. There's definitely still bad gimmicks. The LGG7 thin Q with its blood, blood sensor. Palm sensor, it was the glucose sensor. You could do this and it never worked.

That's a good candidate for next year's award. That's a gimmick. All right. We had one more interesting one. best foldable is maybe the last boring one uh Samsung Z Fold 7 any questions uh no yeah it's the safest it's like the only one that i could really daily and be like happy that i think i want to point out like the pixel 10 pro fold i liked it no i'm not saying that i want to point it out to win to win because no that's the thing is the thing is because the the original pixel 10 pro fold to the pixel 9

ProFold was so astronomical. This is why businesses every year with their year-over-year growth only want to have like 1%. Because if they have 50% in one year and then the next year they don't have another 50% their stock goes down. Right? So Google did too much of a good thing in one year

and then all they did was add MagSafe or Chi 2. Which is big. Which is big. Paxil drops. But it kind of sags a little bit. Pixel snap. And then they made it waterproof. That's important. That's important and good. But, like, in a year when the Galaxy Z-Fold 7 came out and was super thin and had a really good screened-body ratio and was just like a great... Same sort of battery as the thicker version.

Exactly. And then you got the pixel, which is just like, it's better than it was, but now it's, you know, now they feel really behind. So I feel like next year, Google is really going to have to try to make it thin. New strategy, go way backwards next year. Way worse. And then step up again. the 12 will be great we're back baby the window strategy just go worse better worse better exactly yeah yeah yeah I gave a mention to the Z flip 7 and the pixel 10 pro fold but it was the Samsung to lose this year

and Becca recently just put out a video about it was the best phone 7 she said it was the best phone of the year and she said sorry mkvhd there's two categories left there's the bus and let's do bus last now we got to do the bus now right because there's interesting chatter about this one all right it's bust the bust of the year for 2025 is the iPhone 16E. And I think that was pretty clear. A lot of people actually said they forgot it existed by the end of the year because it was that forgetable.

Proves the point, yeah. Because number one, if you actually had $500 to spend on a new iPhone, you should just get the 16, or the 15 pro or something. There was no reason to buy a new 16E and get a 60-hertz screen and no mag safe. And one camera. Yeah, it was just silly.

It just didn't have any reason to exist for regular people. Then I got the comments about like, oh, it's a B-to-B phone. It's really just like the fleet phone for all the, you know, the old e-phones that are all getting replaced at once, which is valid, but you still, that's not, that doesn't make it good. Yeah. That doesn't make it a good deal or a good phone. And so the cherry on top is the one I reviewed was a 512 gig 16E, which was $900. So there was just no reason for this phone to exist at this price.

It doesn't mean it's a bad phone. It's just a bad price. If it was 450, it would make, it would be just like the other iPhone. SEs. 375. Take her to leave it. Dang. Single camera, no mag save 60 hertz notch.

What are we talking about? It's 2025. Why does this still have 60 hertz, to be honest? Well, they just added 120 to the new ones. The Moto G Play is $180 and it has 120 hertz display. But it doesn't have a little apple on the back of it. That's actually true. Yeah, that's true.

Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah, bad. Regular phone. Bad price. one bus of the year. Bad phone, bad price. Pretty bad. Yeah, don't buy that one. This, I think this may have gotten the most

comments on. Go on. My favorite thing about this was the nothing community hates the nothing phone three so much. They were almost, they almost seem mad that an iPhone one bust because they think the nothing phone three should have won bust of the year. They hate that phone. They were pretty hard. So much. Yeah, that phone's fine. It's just nothing's strategy with phones is just just all, kind of all over the place this year. Like the 3A and the 3A pro were pretty interesting. And then they got rid of the glyph with the 3A and then...

3A and then Community Edition. There's just a whole lot happening. It's a whole lot. I don't think it was a 7. That was 799 that phone when it launched. Okay, that's actually a lot. So it was not good for the price either. And I think people expected a very different direction with like making the glyphs on the back more functional.

And instead it was like, here's a little screen with 25 pixels. Spend the bottle. And we're like, what are you doing? Yeah. So, yeah, that actually did get a mention in a bus of the year. I think, like, it got posted as this is the runner-up, and everyone's like, it should have won me. Yeah. Wow.

I don't know. The E is worse. Sorry. 16 E. The right, the nothing phone three is a fine phone. It's just that they went with the worst possible gimmick and try to make it seem good. That's really the problem. And it was too expensive.

Those are the main problems. Otherwise, the OS is fantastic. It was a usable phone. It's a fine phone. I think the nothing three-A. light is a worse phone because of the CMF phone 2 Pro 2. Oh, interesting. Like, I think the light is a, just as a,

there's no reason to ever buy that phone when the CMF phone two pro is around. Yeah, the budget companies, budget lines, budget pro phone. Pro phone is better than the, I'm not even going to do this. I can't even do this. Because you forgot already why you were. Yeah, I did forget where I was.

Can I throw one more in here? Mm-hmm. Maybe this is self-loathing. Mm-hmm. Interesting. Pixel? Pixel 10, man. What?

I thought you said phone of the year earlier. I heard some of these takes. Did I say that? I have a hot take later. Okay, well, yeah. I think this segues into phone of the year very well, but like... Wait a sec. The pixel 10 base being...

It was $800, right? Yeah, $800. Yeah. It got triple cameras, but all... But they're downgraded cameras compared to the pixel 9. Yeah. The pixel 9A sensors or whatever. the 128 gigabyte base storage now watching I if you told me in the pixel seven days

that the iPhone base would be the better deal and have more features and stuff I would never believe you but we're in a place right now where even though it has one more camera the base iPhone has more base storage for the same price and like it has 120 hertz it has all the other things now I feel like I got scammed I still love the phone Don't get me wrong Like it's a fine phone I am enjoying it

But I can't believe They're up at $800 And we're finding an iPhone has a better deal That just feels so un-pixel-like They just dropped the price I mean it's on sale But it's 599

It's been on sale for like a month now Which should be proof That it's not started Which yeah Which is proof that that's what It should have been at Which is what they used to be at Which is what the 16e is

Ooh Did you guys all just agree with me? Well I'm saying like yeah that phone for 799 is a bad deal yeah but you could see it being a pretty good deal at 599 yeah the 16 the 16 e is 599 and is a horrible right right right so that's why it got the award but i agree that it was a bit of a disappointing year for pixel um i i've used pixel 10 pro for a lot of this year as well yeah it's not great the camera has been fine the battery is not that great we You were kind of hoping like a lot would come from this tensor refresh and it didn't.

It didn't, yeah. Yeah. I have a question that you guys probably don't know the answer to. In Japan, no idea. Do, are they also on like a carrier system where people just pay monthly for their phones and then are they getting to carrier contracts? I assume that was just here. Because I have a big question that's going to lead into the phone of the year that we're about to talk about. Okay.

that my friend from college just bought a regular iPhone 17. And we, you know, we named it phone to the, well, I guess I'm jumping the gun. We named a phone on the earth. And we talk about how, like, they made all these upgrades and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I have literally never seen one in the wild. So my question. Because they're all in cases. Probably.

So my question becomes like in America where, or in the West where everything's a carrier contract. and I see so many pros, and I'm for some reason saying air. I think that's just in America. In Europe, I don't think you're locked into carrier contracts like that. Yeah. But the reason I say Japan is because the iPhone is also incredibly popular in Japan. It is, yeah. Where in Europe, like, it's a mix.

It's a grab bag. So that's kind of my question. I just like, it's crazy that the iPhone 17 both is like the best value phone this year. And also, I haven't really seen that many because everyone keeps using the carrier. So this could be the same exact reason you why you see so many airs and folds is because the masses that are using the 17s are like slowly trickling out and getting them in a way that people who just snap up the air probably aren't. So I think it's kind of like the Camry where you don't realize how many you see. Right. That's true. And the fact that it looks like the last iPhone. It looks just like the last iPhone. So it's hard to know. If you got silver one or whatever, you'll never know. I think also part of it is like phone of the year. doesn't necessarily mean most popular. Mostly because consumerism and so many people are okay with spending

way more than they really need to. But I see this is like the people watching our videos who are going to try and find like... Enthusiasts. Yeah, like it's not just bang for your buck, but there's so many things about this phone that just nailed it this year that I think our audience would be more inclined

to be like impressed by it. Well, I guess we'll just get right into it. The phone of the year is the iPhone 17. It is? Yeah. And it also won most improved, which we skipped over, but that's basically hand in hand here. So iPhone 17, they finally did the thing,

120 hertz, much brighter, better display. Thank God, it's way overdue. The other thing is the much improved selfie camera, which is across the entire lineup, which is sneaky great upgrade, and I'm expecting to see a lot of people copy that. The big square sensor where you can do horizontal or vertical purchase selfies,

that's awesome. Yeah. And then doubling the big, base storage to 256 gigs also didn't have to do that but kept the price the same so now it's a better deal at 256 gigs than pixels base than s25s base than a lot of other phones and it's just become the easiest phone to recommend i had a couple people asked me like this year oh i'm due for an upgrade like which phone should i recommend and you'd look at the lineup and you go oh you're staying with the iPhone okay i think yeah you could probably go with like an old 15 pro or 16 pro

or maybe you should get like a i don't want to recommend the base though you'll have a 60 hertz phone for five more years. Now it's just like, oh yeah, I get the 17. Yeah. That's the one. It's way easier. Yeah. So, yeah, iPhone 17 won it. And my runner up was the Shami 17 pro. I've talked a lot about it. This podcast already in the review, I loved it. The screen on the back is awesome. It's a super complete phone. It's never going to be on sale here in the U.S., but the fact that I got to test it, it impressed me a lot, and it was definitely deserving. And I always mention the phones that have spent the most time in my pocket in between reviews. So I'll at least do that again, which is it started off

S-25 Ultra for like the first half of the year. Then it went to a whole lot of Pixel 10 Pro and then 1 plus 15. So that's me. I was going to say how Samsung has fallen. Next year, like no, we've had the S-Utra phones

in the like lineup of this for like ever since the S-21 Ultra basically. Yeah, they're really good ones. Because S-20 Ultra was horrible. I think that was bust of the year that year. Yep. But like Yeah, the fact that they're not in the lineup at all is kind of crazy. It kind of just shows how they just totally went super boring.

Until we get the tri-fold in the beginning of next year. That's crazy that the same company is doing like incremental baby steps on their biggest best phone. And it's also like, by the way, here's one that folds twice. And like, what do we, that's, that's the same company. Next year's going to be crazy because we're going to have that trifold and we're going to also have the iPhone foldable, allegedly. Seems like it's going to be next year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll see.

Would you go from a mini to a fold? That's why I'm not buying a pro. Really? Yeah, I'm waiting for the fold. Wow. Two areas glued together. Yeah. To the fold.

Could be awesome. Rumor has it. It's 2026, so we shall see. Wait, didn't Adam have a hot take? I do. That's around this category? It was pixel-related. My hot take was that pixel 10 was phone of the year.

Can you press that button for me? There you go. I'm surprised you actually did it. I have the pro. I have the pro. Yeah. And I feel like I spent too much. Like I should have just gotten the 10 because the 10 does everything the pro does.

It's super on sale almost immediately if you don't get it at launch. Like if you just wait a couple weeks, it's on sale. And besides that, the AI, I hate to say it, but the AI stuff that the pixel has been doing compared to something like the iPhone, which is just another iPhone, it's actually been very useful. And like thinking about switching phones, even Android to Android, I'm like, I'm going to miss some of those AI things. features, though. Like, I really enjoy them. I mean, I could go to Samsung because Samsung just has all the Gemini features anyway. That's exactly how I would pick it apart is like, if I were giving an AI of the year award, it would go straight to Google. And then by proxy, also Samsung, because they use all the same stuff. And then I would also say, to your point of the Pixel 10 pro feeling

like a rip off, I think it's because it was a worse deal than ever this year. And it doesn't mean that 10 is phone of the year good. It just means it's a way better deal and feature set, because It has all the same software features and it has the same tensor chip and triple cameras. I just feel like if you're gonna, like if you take, I mean, I know this is a hard ask, but if you take someone out of the like Apple versus Android world,

like a fresh person coming into the world who's just looking for their first smartphone. And they have no horse in any race. And they're like, give me a phone. I'd probably give them a pixel because it's doing more interesting things than they live. It doesn't matter. You're giving them the phone or they have to pay for the phone?

Yeah, yeah, no. I'm giving them the phone. You're giving them a pixel 10. Like the best phone. I'm giving you a phone. Here's a pixel 10. That's interesting. I, that's an interesting question. I would probably give that person a Xiaomi 70. No, I would give them an S-25 Ultra probably. Just like the most beefiest. Just the most stable. It's the most boring, the most stable. It doesn't improve that much year to year, but it always has good battery, good cameras, good software updates, good screen every time. You want to give someone fresh to the universe a boring phone? Yeah. Well, I don't want to give them a phone that, like, if I give them a Shami 17 Pro, next year, there's going to be like a totally different design and no screen on the back, but this other crazy feature, and they're going to have gotten used to one thing and have to switch around. People just want stability. That's exactly what we went through in the early 2010s, okay? Every single year was fresh as hell. Yeah. I don't know. Consistency was not a thing. I don't know. As the only pixel 10 owner here, Andrew, what do you think of my take? I think you're wrong. Well, it's funny because you keep thinking. I feel like I should go down. I keep feeling I feel like I should spend another $100 and went up because then I would have gotten $256 base storage and better cameras and a better... I mostly wanted the yellow, which was my ultimate downfall. The only reason I got the pro is because I wanted to porcelain.

I thought the piss color would be so bad, yeah. I think one thing you did mention, though, which is kind of a comment I wanted to address, is there's so many people we judge everything on MSRP at launch which is like a lot of people keep saying

well this was actually a great phone once it went on sale blah blah blah it's like that can be true but it's so hard for us to ever base that off of I know we've said this a thousand times but like I can't we can't base things off of carrier deals and two for one deals and like on sale the pixel

will go it's great to know it's great to say like hey this kind of sucks at $800 but if you're willing to wait three months or Black Friday the pixel will be way cheaper. I mean, MSRP stands for manufacturers suggested retail price and that means that that's what they think

that that device is worth. So if that's their judgment of it, then that's probably what we should be basing it on. Yeah, and I could also, you could probably make the argument that things that constantly go on sale means that suggested price that probably wasn't the best idea

in the first place. And it's correcting pretty quickly. Well, Google should figure that out because they do the same thing every single year. Just make it cheaper to be. begin with and you'll sell way more. They had that, they had it for a while.

I know, they did. They almost did it. Remember when, like, they could have had it all? We were saying that, like, Pixel 7 was too good of a deal to not even look at the pro, and people on the Google team were like, I guess we should just make it more expensive. Ha, ha, ha. I can solve that. You should have enough.

You really screwed the pooch on that one, man. Well, they shouldn't have made it $300 more for the pro before. Like, that was insane. Overall, though, I'm pretty happy with the awards. I think that people picked up on some trends of, like, this. I don't know how one's the last time Samsung or once the last time Google won zero awards

and Samsung S Series 100 awards. Yeah. Probably never. First time in a while. iPhone winning bust and winner in the same year is hilarious. I think that's also happened before. Didn't HTC pull that off?

No, they did most improved and bust. Oof. And they asked for the most improved trophies, so we sent them the toilet bowl trophy also. That is hilarious. Yeah. Anyway, so let us know in the comments if you agree disagree we enjoy reading all the let me speed run a

couple of the comments all right yes the most comment was wearing a blazer and a hoodie is diabolical apparently last year i thought it looks sweet but i have no fashion sense at all so what's wrong with you i loved it all right next comment good lord this one recently has been nagging at me a little bit but there's so many people who love to say you're in a bubble you don't get to experience all the other phones but like we're all in our own bubble Yeah, as long as people understand, this is my awards. I thought you were super clear about it this year. Yeah, phones I test.

Yeah. Phones you test and ones, like, it's within the U.S. bubble because we live in the U.S. Unfortunately. We try. Like, we probably get more phones than the average U.S. reviewer gets, and you definitely try them. But I thought you were very clear this year. Like, these are my awards, the things that I like. I also said that specifically because other YouTubers also do their own awards.

If you have your, people were quote tweeting my list and giving their own set of awards, which is maybe they have to use some of those phones, maybe they haven't. But like anyone can make their own set of what they think is the blank of the year. I give mine because I think I have a unique perspective of I've been able to test all these devices. So here's my perspective from what I've tested. And then other people will give theirs. So yeah, I'm sticking with mine. Yeah, obviously.

Okay, I went through a couple of these just in our normal thing. Okay, here's one that made me mad. no and it has nothing to do with our audience it has to do with YouTube where's the timestamps okay I added them at at launch did you they were there yeah so they were there for a couple hours and then I saw that comment and I went back up and I was like they're gone so I went back to the description they're all still sitting there so I simply deleted a letter and added a letter and hit save again and all the timestamps came back every what is YouTube so we do this with the pod we've we've had this

struggle before obviously this is a video that we should be timestamping so I I'm sorry, but also like not, because it's not my fault, but yeah, the timestamps should be back. And if they disappear again, just ping me on Twitter again and I'll put them back. There was a comment that did the timestamps and everyone's like, you're a savior. It's like, they were in the description, the whole time, but just like, yeah, YouTube. What the fuck, man? Please let that. I want a public apology.

Fix this. Also, this isn't like UI. Like, this isn't like a YouTube feature where you click the timestamp button and add them. This is, if you decide in your description to type out timestamps with titles, it auto detects it in the description of the video and adds timestamps. Everyone has sort of figured out that that's how you do that at this point, but there's never been official UI from YouTube to add timestamps to a video. Why? It's an unofficial. It's a super useful feature.

It should be the easiest. They're only like a trillion dollars in data center investment away from pulling this off. They're going to get it soon. It seems very doable. They basically have it already, right? You can pick where ads go in the middle of your video through a UI system, right? Yeah, but Andrew, Andrew. Ads make them money, okay?

It can insert dynamic ads into timestamps, but I can't just pick that timestamp and write this text. Do timestamps make them money? They got rid of meditations. They got rid of all the clutter. I think it would be super easy to add a timestamp feature. Please, you do. I want to scream.

It makes me so obvious. By the way, the video we did, the smartphone awards is a 2.4 by one aspect ratio, which meant it's not supported for end cards. So I couldn't add end cards. Oh, really? It's an unsupported aspect ratio, which I thought was a bummer. But yeah, that's another weird quirk about this video. I saw a lot of comments about that, too.

Why didn't this auto play? I think the last thing I have here is there's a lot of love for the Red Magic 11 Pro. Yeah. They wanted some love there. Yeah. I have flirted with the idea of adding a gaming category every year, but I never really test that many gaming phones. And I'm also not even that into gaming.

A lot of the gaming phones I end up testing, I end up looking at them through the lens of, are they a good phone the rest of the time that you're not gaming? So like the two or three gaming phones we got this year were good phones. But this phone had like a liquid, like cooling loop that was like visible through the glass back. It was super interesting. I'm pretty sure Zach tore it down. It was a really interesting interior.

like a phone on the side of the phone blowing hot air out of it like it was a cool phone yeah um but i it didn't really it wouldn't have won like my design award it wouldn't have won my best big phone so it just kind of didn't get mentioned so that's valid i just haven't like there is no gaming category so yeah did you see what it looked like in your story about the uh i saw someone screenshot it looked kind of weird you took like a story that we were shooting smartphone awards and because it's like a it's like a clear back but it has this like faded black border and for some reason the way the light was hitting the phone and you took it it just looked like this almost see-through phone with black bezels and no one could figure out

what it was oh wow that's funny it was yeah it was kind of funny does have 80 watt wired and wireless charging yeah they got wireless charging in there which is cool 80 watt wireless is that just like a space heater yeah I mean it's probably no it's got to cool it's kind of crazy how many phones charge it don't use that in your apartment especially when they don't have uh cheat two and so they can't perfectly align they're probably losing so much heat. Wait, 80 watt wireless? It has both.

80 watt wired and 80 watt wireless. Oh my God. Losing a lot of heat. You need like the perfect trigger. Okay, I have one more thing I noticed. Quite a few people mention. Ellis, did you use the PS3 startup sound? Dude.

Let me, let me, I, this was a really, this was a healthy learning experience for me. You know what I mean? Because I went into this. I was like, I want to use music to explain. What makes this smartphone awards different from all the other smartphone awards we've done in the past? Because that's something that we can't exactly express visually. I do think this was the most beautiful set and the most beautiful lighting we've ever had for smartphone awards. But also, we're at the top of our game right now.

We are chugging out these excellent videos. And I wanted the theme of this smartphone awards orally to be prestige. And I thought very hard about that. And I said, how can we, in about eight seconds, communicate? prestige and tradition and the fact that we've been doing this longer than anyone else has been doing this and I thought you know it would be great PlayStation no for 300 years for 300 years before America orchestras have been tuning the exact same way with an oboe starting then the concert master that's true the rest of the orchestra I thought that for three

Because that had been happening for 300 years, everyone would know that's the case. But apparently, this little company that makes a little f*** box called the Expeeria rewrote what that sound was for everyone in the world. And I probably should have known that. But yes, apparently you cannot use the sound of an orchestra tuning without people being like, oh, that's the uncharted machine. L, S, L, S. You think too highly of us.

It's an expensive. So, yes, almost $2,000. My goal was not to use the PlayStation. Actually, fun fact, that is the second original piece of music that has ever been written in a video here. Rufus and I wrote that from scratch and produced it ourselves. So no, I didn't use the PlayStation 3 startup sound in our video. It's just a great mind's thinking alike situation.

I guess so. And also, how dare everyone pay so much attention to that? And I didn't see one comment about the toilet flush in the bust of the ears car I was shocked that nobody mentioned that I will say we put so many Easter eggs in videos that it's sort of trained people to look

for Easter eggs even some of which don't exist so I am both shocked that they didn't notice the toilet flush but also not shocked that they assigned PS3 sound to the others to the oboe it's a trivia segment you do

we'll once I'm loose sound to the oboe anyway but thank you for listening It's trivia time Um Yeah Trivia dude Someone yelled at me last week for not doing that

So real quick Ellis what's your battery percentage right now Oh Okay so Uh oh May have forgotten to charge my phone last night So we got a little juice in David's car this morning How was it even

Dude you could have Oh no you couldn't have because you have lightning Yeah So I wireless charged in David's car Also it's a 12 mini Which doesn't really line up With the Tesla It does not

So it mostly just gets hot. Anyway, anyone want to guess with my battery percentage is that? 27, 27, 26. Marquez? 34. 34. You guys give me too much credit. I am that's a solid 18% right now.

Honestly, you know how phones sometimes will just die, even though they have like 18%. I'm sure surprise yours didn't. Like, that's just not misreading the battery. All right. Next trivia question. So earlier, we were talking about Android XR. They introduced a new UI toolkit called Jetpack, compose what and it looks kind of like if material you expressive had a baby with

glass liquid glass and I think it looks kind of dope I hope they don't bring into phones but I skipped this part of the keynote and I remember dude I swear to God as I was skipping this part of the keynote I was like Adam actually watched this thing not because of trivia just because I knew that you would be interested in the developer stuff that's when he slowed down to I'm not even joking. That's the first thought I had. I knew it would come to bite me in the ass. All right.

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came here and how good they are through the lens of checking out this one EV. It's a really good car. It's nice. The conversation is basically it retails for the equivalent of $42,000 in China. And so if we were to get a car like that for $42,000 here, it would be just completely ridiculously out of this league. Good. It feels like a $75,000, $85,000 car. And I said that in the video. Lots of cool features, really good drive, self-driving, great build quality, all this great software. And you should check out the video if you haven't seen it already. Any other thoughts on it? I just thought it was one of the most interesting products of the year that we reviewed. It has multiple reverb engines in the karaoke system, which like most karaoke

systems only have one reverb so I have multiple reverbs in a car and I was like, for those confused on what the karaoke system is, this car had software that was really good. It also had karaoke modes that you could buy that would attach to the car, things like

an extra speedometer at the top or ambient light bars on the sides to move up and down with your music or USB type C cables at the bottom. And one of them is a pair of high quality karaoke microphones that will plug in charge based on the car's battery and we'll work with the cars built in karaoke mode in the software said software had multiple reverbs and lots of other features we actually demoed it

briefly it was hilarious that is a feature that exists in this car just one of many i'm just so disappointed you didn't mention a mini fridge i didn't have that option i don't think yeah but yeah there is a mini fridge yours did have du yin built in to the back screen which is chinese ticot for anyone curious, which provided me with ample time to scroll Chinese thirst traps and League of Legends live streams. It was quite fun. I drove it for like 20 minutes to go get charged. And as I'm like sitting there while it's charging, I'm just like, oh, this thing's got a lot of stuff. And then I was like looking under the center console thought, oh, Miles and them left some walkie talkies here from when they were doing rollers. And then I clicked them and they like popped in perfectly.

I was like, this car has walkie talkies in the bottom of it. Two of them. Built in. They were better than our walkie-talkies. We were using them to do our shoots because they had a longer range and were incredibly good and had a long battery life. I have a super small gripe

or something that they should add. Okay, so on the left side of the steering wheel, there was a little raised mag-safe puck for you to put your phone on that needs wireless charging on it. The YU-7? It does.

It does. Yeah. They thought of everything. They did think of it. Yeah. I thought the same thing. I was like, this is like a little mounting point,

but you know, it would take it to the next level. if it could charge my phone. The Y-U-7, it does get power, yeah. So when did we get the Y-U-7? Yeah, I kind of want to get the hands on the Y-A-7. The Y-U-7 is like the Model-Y to this Model 3. Although that's not a good analogy.

These are super premium. This is like the... Hmm. This is like the Pirosangue. John of you guys. Sure. What is that is? These cars are essentially stealing design

from the other most popular luxury cars that you see everywhere that are successful. So the SU7 just looks like a Porsche in a lot of ways. It has lines from like Lotus and McLaren headlights and like the embezzled mirrors like a pole star. But essentially they just said, let's make a Porsche Tycan but better. Yeah. And they made a livable, incredibly cheap version of a Porsche Tycan. And it's amazing.

The YU7 is more of an SUV. It's a little taller. And if you look up the Ferrari Perosangue and put it next to a YU7, you're like, oh, they just made the Ferrari. The Ferrari is $400,000. under the the purosangue is the car that almost burnt my eyebrows I we were recording exhaust sounds and I was like oh I'll just sit behind the car while I was red lines and I did it and a hot exhaust literally blew his hair back like yeah yeah or maybe there's whatever um yeah one thing I found funny I couldn't get over that there

was a me logo on the front of there's just like something about a phone a phone logo being on a car which now makes me wonder if there was an Apple car like how long would it take me to get used to seeing an Apple logo like hood ornament or logo on the car? Yeah. Yeah. It was kind of silly.

It almost made it look less expensive if that makes sense. Yeah. I was just thinking like an Apple car. I don't know if I would think of that as premium. Yeah, that was one of the things I said at the beginning. A lot of these older car companies that you do think of as premium

have this like history of premium. So you assign that shape with prestige. And, Xiaomi doesn't have any of that history. So they kind of just... Yeah, they just borrow prestige shapes. They just borrow the Porsche Silhouette. Obviously, their logos, like, we don't associate that with prestige, but they just borrowed that a lot.

And the more I think of this car, the more crazy features that are just coming back to my mind from testing them. So I'll just blurt some of them out. One of them was the 50-watt wireless chargers in the center that charge the Xiaomi-17 pro I was using extremely fast. Yeah. Another one is the speakers in the headrest behind me, which no matter what phone and navigation I was using would separate out the navigation voice from the music that was playing from the same phone and would play it just in the speaker while the rest of the music played in the rest of the car. So much better.

I don't, I can't underestimate how awesome that was. Yeah. Like I would be using Way's and Spotify on the same phone at the same time and it would separate just the way's voice and play it on the speaker and keep the music the same. That was awesome too. the ambient lighting in the car at night it was brighter and more visible would pulse with the base of the sound I was listening to in the color

of the album art of the song that I was listening to. Ridiculous. The Goldie work with them? It was crazy. I don't know, but it was built into the software. It just knew. What else? There was this full-on, like, rad tuner equivalent from Rivian where essentially the Xiaomi, you could

change all of the driving dynamics with a custom mode. You could flip it to be fully rear-wheel drive if you want, fully front-wheel drive if you want. Change the brake calibration, change the acceleration rate, and how much it slowed down and regent.

All this stuff was in the software. It's crazy. I noticed that because I was flipping through the drive modes and one was called Miles. Yeah. But it was lowercase and I was like,

huh, they didn't capitalize this. It was like, wait, they used kilometers. Oh, this is Miles our employee who made one. Yeah.

There was also, stop me if I'm getting boring. There was another one where you could mirror the screen of your phone in real time for some reason. For some reason. Because it's a Xiaomi phone

and a Xiaomi car. car play full screen the whole thing 16 inch car play wireless car play why do they even have carplay i guess because people will buy it and not have iPhones and will have iPhones yeah so yeah if a yeah hold on i don't know it at carplay if a main competitor's smartphone company can put the competitors carplay inside suck it tesla and rivian and everyone not giving me carplay and android auto get over yourselves. Didn't they say Tesla is finally going to add CarPlay? Are they?

Allegedly. I'll give them a ton of credit for doing that. They should do it. Yeah. They said that, well, everyone assumes that they need that to like pump their sales up again. Yeah. But they haven't done it yet. But they might do it.

Because that's what they need. Well, remember, according to Apple, like 95% of people wouldn't buy a car without CarPlay. Yeah. That was the best carplay experience I've had in a car. Yeah. Anyway, the list goes on. Shout out to Hugo Barra, who ex-Guggo friend of the show, had him on a show one time.

He was able to source this for us because he was also a big guy at Xiaomi and that's how he's able to get us the car. What would it take for you to want this car? Assuming it was sold here. Like, you would actually... Like, actually buy it. Like, okay, it's available for sale.

Uh-huh. Price aside. Uh-huh. Like, what, would you just buy it? Like, no matter what? I mean, I already have a daily that I love, but if I didn't, yeah, I would get this car. Even if it was like the price of the daily.

that you love oh because what we don't know what it would realistically cost if you brought it here you know so like i mean if i didn't have a car and i was like trying to pick a car i would pick the su seven up until about seventy five eighty thousand dollars okay it's really good do you like it more than the lucid air sapphire no but that car is two hundred fifty thousand dollars and i would pick that car pretty much anything over two hundred fifty but like yeah the the the chami is i would pick it over any Tesla. Yeah. I think I would pick it over any...

Like, the Lusids that I tested with the air suspension that are not the Sapphire, I would probably pick this Shami over those. I just wish I had a little more range because the Lusids have like 4005 or miles of range, but everything else about the Shami was awesome. So, yeah. Really good.

Very nice. Can I... There's a lot of chatter on Twitter, which mostly was like, wow, these cars are amazing. I'm sad we don't have them in America. There's a lot of Tesla fanboys absolutely freaking out about. this and being pretty mad, which kind of makes it seem like it's doing really good. Well, it's

really funny. I reviewed this car. People on YouTube went, oh, cool car and commented about the car. People on threads went, oh, cool feature and commented about the feature. People on threads saw it and went, oh, let's talk about how this compares to Tesla. Twitter. That's how Twitter is. So I saw that too. Yeah. Crazy. I thought it was. That's crazy. It's so weird that like the website where people get paid to say nice things about Tesla. People say nice things about Tesla. Like who would ever expect that. It was very obvious when all the mean comments you'd click on their profile and dollar sign TSLA was in it every single time.

A lot of them were like, well, this car doesn't have self-driving, so it's not as good. Self-driving saves lives. Yeah. That was an actual comment. I guess you could just reduce every car to does it have Tesla self-driving or not. And if that's your version of an advance take on cars, then keep shipping that. But I think there's a lot of interesting things about this product. Most Teslas don't have Tesla.

They ignore that. Ignore that. Ignore that. Yeah, this was a really good complete product in a lot of ways, and that was worth talking about. Well, speaking of Tesla really quick, sort of. Where are we in the segment? This link is still here. Wait, are we talking about this?

Have you seen this? I watched this clip. Did you watch this clip? I can't tell. Do we know anything else about this clip? We know what happens. Yes. Okay.

Where is this from? I'm going to explain something to you. Yeah. Okay. So we all know that Tesla Optimus robot, right? We all know that they're remote controlled. We do. Not everybody thinks like that.

Well, you have to phrase it like, this one is remote control. It's pretty clear. If you leave the cookies out on Christmas Eve. So there's this incredible clip of a Tesla Optimist robot who had been serving people water bottles. And, you know, I'd been serving them, you know, autonomously. Not. And then at one point, the robot just picks its hands up, takes off. takes off an invisible headset

and then just falls and just minorly bumps the table gets frustrated and then at first I'm like oh that's so funny it takes his headset off but then it just like freezes and just fall like comedically falls backwards through a like curtain

guys guys guys but have you tried version 14 yet oh yeah true tell me have you tried version 14 this clip is outdated as long as version 14 exists the best part about this is that this event was called the Tesla Autonomy Visualized Event. Oh, that's where it came from? This was not autonomous. It was not autonomous.

What do you think it was that got the person who was wearing a headset so frustrated? They're like, somebody picked up a water bottle for themselves. They're like, I'm out. I'm out. One of the water bottles like explodes. Watch right here when it falls down. This is brutal.

He hits it so hard. This is a tough clip. Yeah, it's beautiful. You know, this will make the headlines, but none of the successful autonomy of the robot will make. make headlines guys. All right. So last thing before we go to trivia, a few weeks ago, I had mentioned that Fairphone was going to finally start selling stuff in the U.S. They were going to sell the Fairphone 6 in the U.S., and they were going to sell the new,

the all-new Fairbuds XL, which are headphones that, you know, it's confusing when they're Fairbuds, but they're not buds. They're actually. There's also no regular Fairbuds. Yeah. So there's just the XL. Yeah. So anyway, I talked about that. And The funny thing about that is that there are, there's this thing called an embargo. Wait, there are fair buds. Oh. Are there?

I was like, I'm pretty sure there's fair buds. Oh, okay, good, good, good. A week or so ago, um, Fairphone posted a teaser on their Instagram. So do me a favor. Click on the link that I put in the show notes. Mm-hmm.

Uh, the Instagram link. Got it. Okay. So describe what this video is that they posted. Someone pulling up a box and then it says stay tuned. So what is on the box? Braille.

A QR code. And some braille. Can you scan that QR code? Can I? Let's try. Marquez, can you describe where it brought you? It takes me to a YouTube video

that just says introducing the Improved Fairbuds Exel and it's a 45 second video of... Wait, what? The headphones. No, they changed it! Oh. Mine takes me there too.

Okay, so up until they had literally announced this today, it took you to the YouTube the Wave Forum episode where I accidentally broke and Bargo. Really? Wow, that's hilarious. Are you serious?

They emailed me about it. That's so good. They emailed me, they're like, hey, David, and then wink, and then they showed the frame, and then I went to it, and I was like, oh, my God. And in the comments of that post, people say, where does the cure could go? And then someone says, a YouTube podcast? Anyway, these are officially... Was that Megan Fox? No, Megan Fox was Bieber.

Oh, okay, okay. Shout it to Megan. Anyway, their new headphones, they sent them to me. They're much better than the first Fairbubes XL. They have this plush

material on them. I forgot to bring them today. I really wish I had brought them. Oh, I have them. I have them. But I didn't, oh. It's too late. Describe them.

All right. They have this sort of a knit, like 3D knit kind of material, which is like much higher quality. You can replace pretty much every aspect of them. thing is that if you had the Fairbuds Excel from the last generation, you can actually just buy the new drivers from the new Fairbuds Excel thing, yeah, and put them in the old Fairbuts

Excel. So I think that's awesome. One thing is they sent me both colors. There's a really nice green one, and then there's a black one, and the joystick on the one, the green one was broken when I got it, which sucks. Can you replace it? I don't know. Good question. In theory, you should be able to, right? Maybe. Isn't that like the whole thing? Or maybe the whole can. It's like a lot of it. Yeah, it's a lot of it. Anyway, yeah, they're going to be sold in the US, just like the phone. So Fairphone is like really making a US play now, finally. 229 for these headphones. 229, US through Amazon. US. I think they sounded pretty good. I think you're mostly buying the sustainable, like better, you know, better diamond, blood diamond mine stuff. I think this is a good

category for them like the phone obviously is hard because you try to miniaturize everything and then the fair phone is like a little thicker and that's fine but like I imagine they can match all the specs of normal headphones there aren't like super cramped for space like they can have a 40 hour battery life and ANC and microphones everywhere and all the stuff that you expect that headphones and make them comfortable and make them repairable yeah and not really sacrifice so I think that's a good that's a successful new category I think that they sounded way better than the other ones they they fold really well. The other ones were just too stiff and like they had like this leather.

I don't know. It's a lot better now. That's good. Anyway, those are officially out. I apologize. To absolutely no one. It's funny that they lean into it. It's like kind of when I've told the Samsung story before on this, the SSDs.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. You want to recap that? I did a what's in my bag video like many years ago back when I was about to go to CES and I had the Samsung X5 SSD in my. And I've been using it for like weeks. And I was like, this thing is awesome. I definitely need to shout it out.

And I shouted it out. And then as I was adding links to the description for all the stuff in my bag, I couldn't find a link for it. So I just went, oh, well. And then I got a email from them after the video published saying, we're really glad you like the drive embargoes tomorrow. So just I'll have a link for you when you want to add that to the description. The funny thing, too, is that that SSD was like, went on to become like one of the best

SSDs for the next like five years. They discontinued it, and there wasn't anything better than it for another, like, few years. Yeah. It was awesome. Yeah. They were selling, like, secondhand. Which is crazy for a Samsung SSD. I know.

But anyway. But anyway. You don't have never be discontinued? Trivia. Good answer. Until this podcast crumbles. You haven't seen my 2026 plans yet. Oh, my God.

Yeah. No more trivia. What was the name of the canceled Google? ARXR project I don't have the right answer I'll give you a hint no I won't wait

sounds like we all need the hint yeah this one's a little difficult I how much time do we have that's the hint I wanted to ask a different question but I realized I spoiled it by putting the answer in memes because I got an email from some PR agent this week about asking me to come check out a product that they claimed was the world's smartest toilet.

We made a joke about that. This one was genius, bro. I want the rapt from that toilet. Yeah. No, but that was what made it so smart is it would like analyze your pee and make health recommendations. And then also if you bought it for old people and no one used it for 12 hours, they would notify your loved ones, which actually is kind of cool.

I mean, I don't use my bathroom for 12 hours. Okay, we're not going to get into that. We're not going to. All right. Do you want the hint? Yeah, no. Well, we can't change anything. I can't change it.

I really bungled this one, guys. All right, flip them. Oh, boy. Okay. All right. Who wants to go first? I'm wrong. I'll just say I wrote Google Beam because it can beam you to a new location.

I think that is a thing, but it's not this thing. No, it was in Android 4. I wrote Project Boohan. It's not Halloween anymore. I said Project Glass. What an idiot. Wait. Oh, I should say error.

It was an error? The answer was Project Iris. Project. That makes way too much sense for a Google project name. I know, right? That's why I got canceled. All right. Yeah.

Score time. Marquez has 10. Andrew with 13 I feel like I've had 10 for like a month I know it's been a minute David with nine Alright here's your chance This is it

You guys can all get a point Why don't you meet me in the middle With the new Android XR stuff They introduced the new toolkits Called Jetpack compose what And because we didn't have enough time For Ellis to give you a hint

I will give you guys a hint I will give you guys a hint It rhymes with shimmer Jetpack Joyride That doesn't ride Jetpack Joyrider Joyrider Jetpack Veritaph

It'd be really funny if it was just shimmer It would actually be hilarious Flip them and read Do we all like the same thing now? Marquez, what did you write? Jetpack composed dimmer Dinner Andrew, what did you write?

Glimmer. David? I wrote Glimmer. Correct. We're finally tied, Marquez. Don't you like being tied with me? I've had 10 points since 22. It's been so long since I got a point.

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