Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - The Rabbit R1 is Here!

Episode Date: April 26, 2024

This week, Marques, Andrew, and David dig deep into the Rabbit R1 and AI hardware devices in general. But first, they discuss everything happening with Tesla and even the new YouTube homescreen layout. After giving their thoughts on the R1 they then do a round of quick news stories including emulators and the new electric G-Wagon. It's a fun one, enjoy! Links:  Apple Event Announcement: https://bit.ly/3wbJkPm Tesla Recall: https://bit.ly/4dgv9ZI Tesla FSD Price Reduction: https://bit.ly/3QmcKRv New YouTube Layout: https://bit.ly/3QfMXus Apple Emulators: https://bit.ly/3JDThYV IMAX and Palm: https://bit.ly/3UAz10k Electric G-Wagon: https://bit.ly/3WgSJ2x Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Socials: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. Oh, sorry. I'm David. And you have a guest with you, David? Yeah. What is your name?

My name is Assistant. That's a weird name. Hey. How may I assist you name hey that's kind of nice yeah it's the rabbit yeah i also i have the rabbit as well it's the rabbit r1 uh we got a bunch of stuff we're going to talk about today including our very very very early impressions of the rabbit just picked it up within 12 hours of recording this yeah um also things like the cyber truck recall uh the new youtube layout and new iphone emulators and i think there's some other stuff we want to talk about too so it's a it's a good variety pack today also because last week was a different kind of episode we kind of have a little bit of a backlog so true yeah see that happens that always happens is we we have a bonus episode or a fun episode that's not the normal thing. It's an interview. And then that week, a bunch of stuff happens on the news. And then we have another week to accumulate things on top of it to also talk about. So here we are.

To be fair, I feel like last week, Wednesday, David and I were like, oh, I'm glad we're releasing this episode. There's not a lot going on. And then Thursday and Friday, we're just like, just kidding. That always happens. So we would have missed it anyways. Also, this week was incredibly busy news-wise. We got a new Apple event announcement this week. It's not really coded at all. It's definitely

an iPad event. It's got the little Apple Pencil in there. So either we'll get a new Apple Pencil or they're just specifically talking about iPads that support Apple Pencil or whatever. It's just iPads. We're going to get a newad uh the event is may 7th and the rumors say possibly oled ipad pro and maybe also a new apple pencil with different sizes too of the pro yeah the new pro is apparently going to come in a 13 inch size and the airs are going to come in a 12.9 inch size

that's the rumor because the pro is right it's 12.9 inch size. That's the rumor. Because the Pro is right, it's 12.9 already. It's 12.9, but 13. Oh, so probably thinner bezels in the same body size type stuff. Probably, yeah. Something like that. All right. Yeah, I don't know.

I think the iPad has a great screen already, but also we've been waiting to see what an OLED iPad would look like forever. I love OLED screens, so I'm excited to see that. Yeah, there was a rumor that possibly the magic keyboard also might get updated the the like floating the floating one she's gonna get usbc probably yeah oh does it not wait is it lightning or i guess there's no charge port i thought it was usbc right now oh yeah i guess it wouldn't have i thought talking about the one

that connects the ipad with the pins yes it makes it float i guess there's no port on that i thought there but if there is i think it's probably currently lightning i think it's usbc let me look it up okay apple magic because the other magic keyboard like the literal desktop magic yeah has been lightning forever yeah that's still lightning that is those need updated so bad yeah that's the european union is not forcing it so it's probably not gonna happen but like apple yeah come on pride yeah it's not forcing it, so it's probably not going to happen. But like Apple. Yeah. Come on, guys. Pride. Yeah, it's USB-C. I thought so, yeah.

Okay, so that's good. Oh, yeah, it's in like the hinge on the back. Yeah, yeah. I remember that. And it, yeah, gets dirty very easily. So new iPad Pro, new iPad Pro accessories, maybe a new pencil, new iPad stuff all getting refreshed. Remember how last year there was no new iPad stuff at all?

Yeah. So this feels like maybe we could get a collection of iPad stuff. That'd be nice. Neat. Yeah. It's been the longest period of time between new iPad stuff since the launch of the iPad. Really? Since the launch of the first?

Yeah. There was a new iPad at least every year, except there was no new iPad stuff in 2023 at all. I saw one pretty big rumor. I don't know if they're going to have time or bandwidth to actually do it, but I saw that they may actually make a calculator app for the iPad this year. No way. Yeah, I know.

That's kind of a stretch. Nobody expects Apple to go that hard, but it's rumored. They did fire the car team, so maybe that's what they're working on now. Oh, interesting. They have enough resources to do it. Yeah, they do. Fascinating. A little on now. Oh, interesting. They have enough resources to do it. Yeah, they do. Fascinating.

A little tougher, but. Maybe the computer vision stuff is going to make that a reality. I was hoping I would just use this for all the math stuff and not have to do it on the iPad. That's what Apple wants. But if they can pull off, remember, so I talked to Craig Federighi back in 2020, I think? Yeah. Or 2021, maybe? And I asked,

yeah, so why is there no weather app and calculator app on the iPad? And you could see him sit back for a second and think of what to say in his head. And his answer was, you know, we could just scale up the weather and calculator app from the iPhone and it would be fine, but we want to really do

something where people go wow that's an amazing bro it's a calculator of the app on the ipad and so we haven't really gotten around to doing that yet those are craig's words okay i don't know if he made that up on the spot or if they genuinely feel that way but it was a good answer but pressure's on craig this better be an incredible calculator what would like blow your mind to live up to the hype of not having a calculator app for how many years and then saying like we need to do it well i mean to be fair the amount of computing power it took to power the moon landing was as much as a calculator took so that's like you know big time app that's a big time app. That's an app.

Yeah, for sure. A lot of calculations. This is wild. It's huge. This could be game changing for the iPad. Yeah. I think I'll buy one now. You know.

Yeah. See? Changed my mind. I don't have a calculator in my life that I'm excited about right now. So this could be one. Teenage Engineering could make one and Adam would buy it. I'm not going to lie, I probably would buy it.

That would be my first teenage engineering. It would be a nice success. It would be $175. That's kind of like a meme. If it could graph, dude, oh man, that would be pretty sweet. If it was a graphing calculator and it had the teenage engineering animations for graphing. So when you said what would be a calculator

that would actually blow my mind, I thought about it for a second and the only thing that came to my mind was it's just Wolfram Alpha. It's just that. I have a lot of thoughts about Wolfram Alpha. It saved my college career. Yeah, I love Wolfram Alpha.

But isn't that basically what large language models are now? The humane is using Wolfram Alpha as one of their... Yeah, so is this. Oh, is it really? Wolfram Alpha has been significantly updated since large language so is this. Oh, is it really? But Wolfram Alpha has been significantly updated since large language models came out and stuff. But if you remember, you could ask Wolfram Alpha math questions

in plain English and it would do it. Yeah. It was pretty awesome. Yeah. I would ask it for a green. I'm going to report you to Stevens. No, no, no. No, no, no.

Don't take away. Moving on. I think it used long short-term memory and not transformers but that's probably the only difference word anyway well speaking of speaking of um metal things because the ipad's made of metal speaking of angles that are in calculators. Math. Angles. Yeah, like 45 degrees. I was going to say, you know what the opposite of a release is?

A recall? A recall. That's a pretty... Speaking of... Wait, really? Is that what it is? I mean, a release is where you give. Oh.

A recall is where you take. And speaking of recalls, Apple did... Oh. No. Tesla did a total recall.la did a total recall i love that movie but the original one yeah haven't seen that me neither it's okay anyway continue but i've been driving a cyber truck around and that's become very quickly the number one question people ask about it is how about that recall huh that's crazy uh it's very quickly become like everyone's headline so the details are are actually kind of weird and interesting but we learned a bunch of stuff first of all the actual cyber truck recall is on the accelerator pedal

and the story is the adhesive that holds the pedal itself to the pad that it's on. It's like the, like, it's weird calling it the pedal, which I guess it kind of is, but there's like the actual physical thing that hinges up and down and then almost like the... And then the thing on top. That looks nice. Yeah.

Yeah, it has like grip to it. Exactly, that touches your shoe. Those two things are like glued together, adhesive together, whatever. I don't even know how common that is, but apparently there was an unapproved change in the adhesive process or whatever that involved soap. And so if some people smashed the pedal hard enough with their foot,

it actually unglued it and like tore off. And because of this perfect angle up, and we did a short about this, this perfect angle up in front of the pedal, it could get torn off and then lodged right underneath this little wedge which would hold the accelerator pedal down as it's lodged there all throttle and that would hold full throttle on your truck which would not be great obvious well not obviously luckily holding down the brake overrides that so if you are someone who finds yourself in a situation unintentionally accelerating in any

vehicle hit the brakes, please. That should be your first response. But the fact that that's even possible is a gigantic safety issue. So Tesla has recalled all Cybertrucks. And what that means, because people use the word recall a lot everyone whose vehicles have been delivered can be issued that fix, whether they need to bring it back to a service center or a software update, whatever it is. With this one, Tesla has to figure out how to fix everyone's pedals. So we learned how many trucks they've made, about 3,900 trucks. All of them will have to go back at some point to some service center and

i've had recalls before with teslas where they reach out and they literally like schedule you in for a service center appointment you drive in whatever it is five minutes they'll apply their fix with this one it feels like they're gonna bolt the pedal down have you seen the videos yet i've seen some videos yeah and i don't know if that's temporary or if that's the fix i think they're gonna do effects it's like one of those things that feels like a quicker temporary thing. But then you got a hole in your pedal. Yeah. And like a rivet in it.

I'm happy that it's a physical thing holding it down and not just them re-gluing it because that would feel, I feel like way less safe. I would prefer the re-glue as long as it didn't have soap in it I don't know something physically holding that together in the sense of launching your car at full speed yeah I feel like it's kind of interesting too because they only they only bolt it in the bot the rivet is only in the bottom of the pedal and they don't do it on both so I in my head I was like what happens if it like comes loose and starts swinging I'm assuming it's like in a track and then all it can do is go forward,

and then so one rivet should hold that fully together. Yeah, it looks like they have this little device that slides down on the pedal, lines it up perfectly at the bottom, drill through, install a rivet. I saw some people being upset that it just doesn't look nice on a very expensive car. I can't remember the last time I looked at it. I'm happy that it's physically in there instead of glue anymore um yeah yeah in terms of like the recall stuff i i do think in evs like there have been so many ev headlines of like a recall happening and it yeah probably gets

blown out of proportion this one probably seems like one that is pretty pretty damn unsafe in terms of yeah full throttle this is similar similar to the Prius recall that happened where the mat, do you remember that? I think it was a, yeah, it was Toyota. It was the Prius, because my mom had a Prius and she had to bring her under service on it. But the stock mat that came with it was getting stuck under the accelerator pedal

because it would get stuck on your shoes and it would slide forward and it would get stuck under. And so they basically would take the mat out like replace it with one that didn't have like as big of a ring on it. So the headline will say Toyota recalled a million Prius. Right. You're like, oh, no, but it's the floor mat. It's not. You have to actually read a little bit to figure out what's happening. It's not like they're replacing the battery or there's an engine failure. Right. So, yeah, it, I think the headlines are pretty juicy, but recalls are kind of all over the map,

and this one's probably at the top. I think two people had this happen to them out of all 4,000 Cybertrucks. So they're like, all right, happens once. You're like, okay, that's a freak accident. Happens twice. It reminded me of when the Note 7s started having battery issues. You're like, how many can explode

before we think this is a problem? Someone's house burns down. And it's like when three... It's only one. When one phone explodes, it seems crazy, but like I could see any phone having one, maybe having a puncture or something crazy happens. When two happen, you're like, oh, interesting.

And then three. And then three, I think, is the number. Yeah. It's like how many ostriches would you have to see before you were like, wait a second, something's happening. Two is a coincidence, three is a problem. So, yeah, two happened. It was enough for Tesla to decide to look into it and to issue the recall, and they'll have their fix hopefully pretty soon. And that's the recall details.

Yeah. It's funny because Tesla's actually had a lot of recalls, but they're usually just software updates. details yeah it's funny because tesla's actually had a lot of recalls but they're usually just software updates and like for example they had to update software because the little icons that said like when a stop sign was coming up or something like that weren't big enough to like meet industry standards i think that was considered a recall so it's just kind of a weird thing is you're not they're not actually recalling the cars like they used to they can just do a lot of these i mean this has been like, this one is there.

I think this has been the case in all cars for many, many years. Every, every car you've probably ever driven has had some sort of recall at some point. Yeah. Yeah. Is there a level of recall where they actually take the car back?

Was the, probably. What about the bull? A few years ago, that was like catching on fire i don't know they should have taken oh no sorry when the um when i finish your thought i think so i'm not 100 sure on this but my friend had a diesel vw something and when the whole like diesel gate stuff came out he got money towards a new car

for something i don't know what that was but um that yeah all the diesel was pretty pretty bad i feel like the mustang machi they should have recalled when the roofs were falling off i mean tesla fallen off also yeah i always ask how many how many times that i think it was like three oh yeah there were a few wasn't there also a Model Y where if you hit a puddle fast enough, it ripped the whole bumper off? Or a Model 3? I'm sure. Yeah. I'm sure every car has a city where you hit a puddle fast enough.

I think it was like enough to happen where it's like this shouldn't really be a thing. I'm just going to throw it back to the Cybertruck review where I literally have a section in the review where I say, hey, there will be more low-vin Cybertruck production issues. I literally told you guys this would happen. So don't say I didn't warn you. There will be more low-vin Cybertruck production issues. But hey, that's part of the low-vin thing.

Yeah. With a Cybertruck. What else? Speaking of Tesla. Oh, that's an easy one. Yeah, this is literally all part of the lovin thing yeah uh with a cyber truck what else speaking of tesla oh that's an easy yeah this is literally all part of the same thing pretty much speaking of tesla um well first of all full self-driving is now eight thousand dollars so it's gone down in price again when they were always sort of talking a big game about how valuable is the car and will only go up in price has it gone down yet this is the first time it's gone down no uh no it's the second time it was it was at 15 000 once and then it's been at 12 000

for a while and now it went down to 8 000 yeah it's fluctuating it's a it's a market yeah based on the stock price it's mentioned multiple times that it's not going down if the stock price is falling full sub driving would be cheaper if the stock price is going up the price will go up that's just the most obvious like juicing your numbers well they've been they're trying so hard to get people to buy this because we had we talked about the thing a couple weeks ago where every time you take delivery they have to do a test drive of full self-driving to try to get you to buy it they reduced the subscription price from 199 to 99 and now the actual just buying it all out is 8 000 instead of 12 000 and if you paid the six thousand dollar uh like bonus self-drive what is even called there's so many names autopilot enhanced autopilot if you

bought that for six thousand dollars you can upgrade to full self-driving for $2,000. Right. So. I just came up. Sorry. I just came up with a theory in my head just now. I think it might be right. Okay.

Is like Tesla is basically the only EV company that like makes a margin on their cars. And I think the entire margin is getting people to buy Autopilot. But I doubt that many people buy it. Well, when they do, it's just free money. They don't have to deliver anything new. Yeah.

They just unlock whatever software is done. Which is how they like their used inventory thing. That's how that always worked was they would let people lease the vehicles. Then they would not allow you. You can't buy a Tesla off of a lease. So they would take it back, install full self-driving on it say fifteen thousand dollar value and then sell it to sell it to people for basically the price of a new car yeah because it had the full self-driving pre-installed so it's just up to tesla to convince people of its value

yep and they're trying real hard yep to convince people of its value. Yeah. So if you paid $15,000 a few years ago, now it's half the price of what it was after not only being told, because wasn't it every time it was like, buy this now because it's only going to go up in the future, which is like super FOMO, that's how you should buy this. And there was even a point where Elon said something like,

he estimates the value of full self-driving to be around $100,000. Which is like what you will say when you want to convince someone of its value. Yeah, and obviously people who hear that are like, well, then I should get that now so that eventually in three or four years, when it's ready, my car will have it

and I didn't have to pay way more than these people. And I have a theory about this too, because theoretically the robo-taxi unveiling is happening on August 8th. At the earnings call that happened on the 23rd, they showed off a mock-up of what the ride-hailing app for the fleet will be.

It looks pretty cool. Yeah, it's probably just a mock-up. It's just a mock-up. And I have a feeling that the whole reason they're doing this, like, Robotaxi unveiling is another way to try to get people to buy full self-driving right now. Because theoretically, if you have a Tesla and they're like, oh, they're doing this like robotaxi unveiling is another way to try to get people to buy full self-driving right now because theoretically if you have a tesla and they're like oh they're gonna turn on full they're gonna turn on the robotaxi thing i gotta buy it now

while it's cheap so that when it turns on i can make money on my car yeah i can already see the way this but but they're gonna unveil it and then it's not gonna come out for four years it'll be super super slow beta testing to the most frenzied fans the way they did i don't know if they're gonna unveil it and then it's not gonna come out for four years it'll be super super slow beta testing to the most frenzied fans the way they did i don't know if they're even gonna do that the way autopilot like when you see autopilot videos on youtube now of like people who only have a youtube channel where they just do autopilot videos it's those people who will probably get early access to it and it'll start to technically be a thing that really is released but that honestly most but like a fully autonomous tesla that picks

you up and brings you it'll be region locked it will be extremely difficult to access what is the robo taxi unveiling i thought just the cars were the robo taxi so the theory is clear the theory is you buy a tesla and because the tesla has enough hardware and software smarts to be fully self-driving that someday tesla will hit this big green button to unlock your car to go drive around and be an Uber for you without you being in the car. Yes. But then what robo taxi are they unveiling? That's my question. Because it's already out, is it not?

Yeah, I thought they've already unveiled the robo taxi. It's my car. There it is now. That's what I thought, too. And it's possible that the robot taxi. It's my car. There it is now. That's what I thought, too. And it's possible that's the case. It's very unclear. But this news just came out this morning, too, that apparently they're going to be releasing the cheap car in 2025. Which was apparently, first it was apparently canceled.

And now it's apparently back on the table. And I just don't really believe any of this stuff. Because I kind of just feel like Elon's like, please don't let our stock tank and he's just saying anything he can to like get it back which worked the stock went up this morning oh yeah after the earnings call it works it really does work yeah i don't know what robo taxi unveiling means i don't think it means any or i don't if it gets unveiled that means everything he said in 2019 of these will be robo taxis next year. Right. It's just,

it either means a new car to do this or they lied. Yeah. Yeah. Also they gave everybody 30 days of full self driving for free without asking and they turned it on and I used it a couple of times and I really don't like it. It's, it feels a few times I've been like, if I do not disengage it right now, I'm going to die.

And I just like, I would not get, like even Waymo, which is really good. I've taken it a couple of times in San Francisco. Still doesn't go on the freeway. Like will not get on the freeway. Waymo doesn't go on the freeway? They're soon going to be able to get on the freeway just to go to SFO.

But right now it just goes around San Francisco. Wow. Okay. Yeah. I would never right now get in a fully autonomous, full self driving Tesla to like drive around because... Based on what we've seen. Based on my car. Yeah. I wouldn't, yeah. I would not do that. Yeah, we did

do that video and there's a ton of software updates that people always like to point out are improving things over time. So I watched the videos about it. But we did that video like two years, a year and a half ago or whatever it was on letting my car drive me here and the couple of interventions I had to make. Yeah, I don't think I want to be in the backseat. Yeah, like maybe in a few years. But right now I just do not feel like it's ready. Yeah.

So there's this whole theory now about how it's reading people's hand gestures because somebody did like a it was like going through a residential street and they like jogged out from behind a car because people will just test this stuff they're like jog out from behind the car now and they jog out from behind the car in front of the self-driving tesla and the car stops and he just like freezes and the car doesn't move and then he waves it through and then the car goes through. What? And so now the theory is like,

oh, it's looking at people and their hand gestures too. Interesting. I saw another video of a Waymo car with a cop trying to tell it to go somewhere else and it was just like, and the people inside are like, I don't get to do anything.

I'm in the back seat. Yeah. I also saw a video or a picture of a guy with a stop sign t-shirt yeah that was really funny stop sign t-shirt yeah and i think the car picked it up i don't know maybe i was maybe i got with that but no it was yeah he he was able to stop like most of the waymos with the stop sign so there was only one really late at night when it was super dark where it didn't stop this it's called this goofy shirt paralyzes robo taxis it's pretty funny and he's also an ex tesla engineer too which i think is makes it kind of funny wait i don't know if

this is too niche but because everyone's tiktok page is unique but i saw someone on my tiktok the other day which was a guy at a costco who had like five rotisserie chickens in his cart and he goes do not scan the chickens just scan my shirt and he had a barcode for a rotisserie chicken on his shirt he's like no leds on the chickens just my shirt and they scanned it and it worked and it that guy also is really sad they're moving um rotisserie chickens to bags so he's he said he was stocking up on the old ones. No, that's fine, dude. As someone who buys a lot of rotisserie chickens, the bag is a superior liquid.

I think the bag is superior. I mean, you're not arguing with me. You're arguing with this guy. Costco's. I'm arguing with who? The guy who's... He just didn't want you to scan... No, the guy's mad that he was stocking up on chickens so he could have the rotisserie chicken containers.

It's on a video. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't tell if this is a he could have the rotisserie chicken containers. It's on a video. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't tell if this is a bit. It kind of feels like a bit. It feels like a bit. But yeah, it's a guy with a barcode. Because it's moving to bags and he wants the containers. So he's going to put the bag in the...

No, I think he's going to dump it out of the bag into the container. I don't know. If you're buying rotisserie chickens, man, the bag is the way to go. I agree. It's in your bag with the rest of your groceries. Well, you don't get bags at Costco.

Oh, true. I don't have a Costco card. Yeah, it's a cool kids club. I've always had the container. Oh, the bag. Oh, the bag. I see what you're saying. I think the container's fine.

Whatever. How did I get this far? That is your fault. You started this. We're going to settle this. Oh, God. is a rotisserie chicken bag or container the superior way to buy one i'll be shocked if it answers i'm here to assist you with relevant information question rotisserie the question please feel free to ask

it just told you straight up that's not a useful question yeah yeah well hey cool well there's a little preview to the rabbit wait one more thing before a break youtube has this new layout that's floating around i have not gotten this layout have you guys seen this yeah i have some pictures dude i have it you have it yeah it's awful wait let me on your desktop yes okay so there's a new youtube app layout wait it's awful. Wait, let me, on your desktop? Yes. Okay, so there's a new YouTube app, Layout. Wait, it's not on this. Oh, it's on my other computer. So you have it in your desktop browser. Yes.

Not an app, just a desktop browser. Correct. It's like this. Yeah. So it's this really, really big player, related videos underneath, and then everything else to the right. Yeah.

Which I get that they change things sometimes, but I just feel like the title always should be like next to the video, right underneath the video. It feels like it has to be bigger. The title is way too small. It just feels like they're trying to cramp as much information for your eyeballs to be addicted to as possible.

So they put three huge videos right below it so that you just keep staying on the platform and they kind of hide the comments. Like it's underneath the description and it's hard to find. Can you scroll through the comments while the video stays on top? Yeah, you can. That's the only thing I can see beneficial about this.

Even in their sense of like wanting you to click more videos. Like I think the side scroll, the side videos has way more options of different things to click where if like you don't hit with the three recommended in this, you lose. You guys think this is crazy. In Japan, the most popular video streaming service is called Nico Nico Talk. And while you're watching a YouTube video, the comments just go over the videos.

Like a live stream? Yeah, but like they just all like go over the front of the video. yeah but like they just all like go over the front of the video and if there's too so many people commenting sometimes you literally cannot see the video because it's just comments streaming by that is odd it's wild i gotta say that's really odd so i think this is kind of what they're going for because they put the comments right on the right so you can like watch the video while you're looking at i can understand having the video up and still reading the comments on the right but it looks really bad what i can tell from this is that they they're learning that everybody now has adhd because everyone needs to

multitask at the same time i'm curious you have this layout yeah the four related videos underneath is that scrollable too um no okay like left right's more. There's more under it. There's more under it. Oh. Sometimes there's like six to eight. Oh. Yeah. Or six to nine. I mean, obviously YouTube benefits from getting you to click around between videos a lot.

Yeah. So I think that's what they want. I think they want you to like, cause the thumbnails are a lot bigger than they are. They're bigger. They're way bigger than if you're already watching a video. Cause the thumbnails are small when they're on the side but when you're on the home page they're big and they're they're only a little smaller than the home page video size and i think that they just want you to see in your peripheral vision a video that you're interested in so that as soon as this one ends you click on another one

i get it i just think mechanically like i would rather scroll between more related videos and pick my favorite there yeah then scroll between comments i agree videos though but i think that like they're kind of taking the tiktok approach where it's just like keep moving just keep going it seems like we're descending into auto scrolling where like there's just one related video underneath like ready to play as soon as the first one ends soon you'll never pick a video in the YouTube algorithm. I mean, it kind of does. It has autoplay already. It's already doing that.

You know what's crazy? Sometimes I watch a YouTube video and I fall asleep to it. And every morning when I wake up, I had watched a four-hour episode of The Wan Show. It's always The Wan Show. Every single day. Same. It's also The Wan Show show. Every single day. Same. It's also the WAN show?

I hate it. I think that YouTube. I hate it. I think that when it knows that you're like not engaging with it, it kind of thinks you're sleeping. So it just plays the longest possible video so that they can make the most possible ad revenue.

You know what is totally not awesome? Waking up to the sound of Linus Sebastian every morning yeah that happens to me a lot i have a different theory okay i think your guys's algorithms include the the show but it doesn't but i never get suggested the wan show on my suggestions ever it only auto plays same that is weird i think because they're all four hours and i i my theory is that youtube makes more money because it plays more ads on a four-hour thing and if it knows you're asleep it's like we can trick the advertisers by getting them to pay more it's definitely numbers they

definitely want to i'm shocked that it's not your recommended i think you've blacked it out that's my theory i think it isn't right now it's not analysis either i promise the exact same thing happened to me i i'm with david that i think it goes oh ellis. It's not in Alice's either. I promise. The exact same thing happens to me. I'm with David that I think it goes, oh, Alice is down to watch one of these all the way through starting at 3 a.m. So at 3 a.m., it's like, let's get the WAN show cooking. Why did it immediately go full screen?

I am not sure if autoplay is... I'm looking at it. When you open a video, I think your autoplay queue is already stacked. It's already built, no matter what your behavior is. Really? Based on the first video.

For infinity time? I don't know how long. I think there's some list. But I think if that four-hour thing is anywhere in there, it's going to be the thing you wake up on. Whether it's the second video, or I guess if you sleep for four hours, it wouldn't be. But if it's the 10th video or the 20th you're gonna wake up to it every now and then i get

like a linus video but i yeah but linus is zero but when she's on the linus channel yeah but i only get way a show i don't get regular linus videos and there are no well you don't know you just don't wake up to them you just only wake up to win show though the win show is four hours which gives you a really high likelihood of that being the thing but that's also the one that stops auto playing after it always stops auto playing after a wan show so when i wake up it's like you just watched a four hour wan show but we stopped auto playing videos i i every time i also think it's the watch time because the only other channel that i watch the entirety of like two plus hour videos is H bomber guy. And now that I've watched like four or five of those like giant H bomber guy videos, it started to autoplay those starting at

the two to 4am slot. My conspiracy theory is that YouTube can tell advertisers, look how many ads we served. And if they like know that you're not really watching they just play super long videos so that they can but we're youtube preemies yeah i mean it still counts as ad yeah watch time yeah it's watch time i guess only for them not for youtube yeah i guess it's not benefiting youtube yeah what you should do when you go to sleep is turn on the five hour lmno key typing test that i made and listen to that that actually would be i will do that actually that could be really nice i'm just saying that's why i made it five hours finger rain before we go to break i want to i want to give everyone a challenge pick a video on your sub box that you were going to watch and then just like the autocomplete challenge just hit next in autoplay

like 10 times and see where it takes you oh god like on this video if you just pulled up this video on youtube hit next 10 times and see where it takes you and leave a comment come back and tell me where it took you are we all doing this right now wherever auto completes well i'm doing it i want people to do it on this episode of this podcast and see where it takes them okay so we shouldn't do it how do i click yeah oh no yeah i'm doing it let's go i would wait so i would use that next button i just there's a button on youtube yeah for your next auto played video sorry it's what was going to show up in next mine one wait i don't have a next button next to the play button it's right next to the play button how many times i didn't know that existed okay one ten maybe two i just

think it's like when you hit autocomplete on your phone you write i space and then just fill in the blanks for the rest of the sentence i think that tells that says a lot about you that's your personal algorithm i'm that was very interesting mine did very specific things it did three so i clicked on a disc golf channel called another round disc golf it played three of those. Then it played five hour plus long, uh, runescape lo-fi beats, like music channels, and then played three Lawrence music videos. Like it's sectioned to them,

not like staggered. It went three disc golf, five runescape, three Lawrence. I started on a coffee Zillow video. It played another coffee Zillow video. And then I played eight last week tonight. Yeah.

Why is it doing it in order? I got something totally different. I clicked on a secret base video, it played another CoffeeZilla video, and then it played eight Last Week Tonight episodes. Yeah, why is it doing it in order? I got something totally different. I clicked on a Secret Base video, shout out, and then it played nine I Did A Thing videos. I was not expecting it to keep going in. I did one, I did a Doug DeMuro video, and then I got a bunch of Cars and Bids videos in a row, and then the last one of them was a car spotting video, and then I got a bunch of other and bids videos in a row. And then the last one of them was a car spotting video.

And then I got a bunch of other channels car spotting videos. What's car spotting? This is kind of fascinating. People go out into cities and take videos of cool cars they see. It's like train spotting, but even more niche. No, that's not true. Car spotting is less niche. Is that what train spotting is?

Train spotting is I know that this type of train is going to go through this station at this time, and I'm going to go look at it. That's a Michael Fisher activity right there. Plane spotting. Plane spotting is I know that this type of train is going to go through this station at this time and I'm going to go look at it. That's a Michael Fisher activity. Plane spotting. Plane spotting is fun. Plane spotting is I know that this plane lands or takes off from this airport at this time and I'm going to watch that. That can be cool. Car spotting.

New York is a good airport for plane spotting. I respect people having interests. Our parking lot is probably good. They're not quite low enough to really be like oh it's that maybe if you had a samsung galaxy with 100x zoom man if i had a samsung you could take a picture of it and the moon would be there yeah okay we're off the rails we're gonna take a quick break i feel like this happens every time we talk about the youtube ui that's exactly how i expected it to go. But we will come back and talk about the

Rabbit R1, our thoughts here, and iPhone emulators of course. But before we take a quick break, we should do a quick round of our world famous section where we do the thing where we answer questions. Trivia.

Trivia question. Where's Adam? I straight up thought he was going to be in today i didn't realize he was going to be gone where is adam melina what is adam melina's address impossible questions adam melina is currently located in brooklyn new york united states bro playing hooky in his linkedin profile oh wow oh that's just where He's located in his LinkedIn profile. Oh. Wow. Oh, that's just where it says.

He's currently in Brooklyn, New York. He should be at the podcast. Adam, what the hell? I mean, that's pretty cool. I knew it was him. That's impressive. That's impressive. So, gentlemen.

You guys are not allowed to. Actually, you can use the rabbit for the trivia question. Yes. Perfect. Where in the world. Say the trivia question. Say it. Wait.

I can do a harder trivia question if we want to open it up trivia question. Yes. Perfect. Where in the world. Say the trivia question. Say it. Wait, I, I, I have, I can do a harder trivia question if we want to open it up to rabbits. Yeah. And then Marquez and I will both use the rabbit. I was going to say, but if you're going to use it,

the rule is you, your answer has to be what the rabbit says. Like you can, and you have to write all of it down. I'm not using it. I have faith. I can be this. Why we can make this one.

I don't know why. No, no, no. We'll get, we'll maybe if we have time at the end, we'll using it. I have faith. We can make this one... I don't know why. No, no, no. If we have time at the end, we'll include it. But you guys got me really stoked when we were talking about a teenage engineering calculator. So both of my questions are vaguely calculator-related today. The second one more than the first one. The first one actually has nothing to do with calculators.

But a calculator on the ipad got me really stoked and it made me think about the last app apple took forever to release on the ipad weather and so my question for you is how many years into the ipad's lifespan did it take for apple to put their weather app on it is this closest delta i was gonna ask if you guys wanted to do closest delta or our yeah in in beta range multiple people can get points type b in beta range where you have like a target range and if you're within yeah like if you're in this you get this i think we should do closest delta like i agree yeah closest and then we should definitely ask rabbit both of these questions at the end of the episode after we answer

after we answer if the Rabbit can get the second question that would be really I actually think that question is kind of hard ask it yeah I think for it to answer specifically the answer you're looking for the the like it took a long time for the weather app to come out how

long was it available without the weather app is a hard thing long was it available without the weather app is a hard thing to actually answer straight up the question is will it get it right and you can't just trust it you're gonna have to look it up anyway yeah it could confidently just say something yeah well we will all think about that our answers will be at the end like usual we'll be right back This episode is brought to you by Dyson OnTrack. Dyson OnTrack headphones offer best-in-class noise cancellation and an enhanced sound range, making them perfect for enjoying music and podcasts.

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eligible charities up to five hundred thousand dollars in total contributions all right welcome back this is the part where we talk rabbit r1 i have uh i'm holding the Rabbit R1 here. David is also holding a Rabbit R1. Andrew is... This is where I would be holding one. Would be holding one. If I had one. For those unfamiliar, the Rabbit R1. How do I describe this?

So there is a new category of device. It is hardware focused on AI. I guess that's the best way to put it. Hardware driven by AI. The most recent of which is the infamous Humane AI pin that you might have seen. I reviewed it. It was not good. The other that's coming out in a staggeringly similar timeline, or at least within a few weeks of the AI pin, is this, the Rabbit R1. They are supposed to be able to do a lot of the same stuff, but they do have some very notable, obvious differences.

And it's kind of like, it reminds me of when the Tesla Model S came out and then every electric vehicle for the next four years was compared to the Model S, whether or not they were even remotely in the same category. It would be like, here's a F-150 Lightning versus Tesla Model S. It's like one of them is a pickup truck, but because they're in the same category of electric they just get compared to each other yeah so the rabbit r1 is it is different from the humane pin has a screen it has a screen it's the size of like a postage uh i would say like a post-it note stack roughly that's

a that's a way better analogy holy hell that's what have people been saying that it's the size of like a it's like half the size of a phone it's also like a Holy hell, that's fantastic. What have people been saying that it's the size of? Like a phone. It's like half the size of a phone. It's also like a Galaxy Z Flip. That's exactly, when it's full. Exactly. It has a camera that swivels. It is not wearable, at least without additional accessories.

It's supposed to be in your pocket. It has a button. Belt clip with this would be fire. It would be fire. Could be. It is a touchscreen. It does not make phone calls or send text messages, but it does have a SIM card tray for cellular data.

4G. 4G data. But the idea is mostly the same, that you're carrying around AI in a separate box from your phone with you to do some things that you don't do on your phone. Yeah. That's the high level of what this is. There are obvious upsides and downsides yeah

upside being could do some cool neat stuff and be very helpful downside being now you charge twice as many things now you carry twice as many things now you spend twice as many dollars um but i will say the rabbit is 200 and does not have a monthly subscription until you buy a data-only sim and then you have a monthly plan unlike the humane pin which was $700 7 or 800 plus the $24 a month for the services and data that comes with it so I think they're gonna lean into that as being their number one differentiator is it's much cheaper and I'll tell you right now it makes sense holding it exactly why it's cheaper this is a very toy basic screen this is uh it is made of i believe it's plastic i'm gonna double check but

it's this bright neon orange it's collab and design with teenage engineering um but it's not like this hunk of metal or anything crazy like that and the processor and internals are very minimal media it comes in a cardboard box with a plastic shell around it and it it doesn't even come with a brick or a cable like it it's obviously they're making money just on the hardware here fine but what does it do would you actually carry this these are very early impressions we picked it up last night yeah uh it's been sitting here in the studio for less than three hours. What are your initial thoughts, David?

So I want to talk about what the dream of what this product is supposed to be. I think that's a good place to start. Yeah. So their whole thing, which is very different from the Humanae iPin, is they have a thing called the large action model. Yeah. And the idea there is when new products come out, this happens with like Razer all the time. They'll come out with some new like,

oh, we put new RGB lights in this. And if a game developer wants to, they can plug into our open API and use it. And then one game uses it because they partner with them to use it and nobody else uses it. And when you're trying to build out a product based on an open api but you're a new product uber doesn't care about you like nobody cares about you right so their whole idea is we're not going to deal with

apis we're going to learn how people use web apps on their computer and we're just going to teach an ai how to click things for it so it's going to do uh semantic segmentation to understand what buttons are what icons are so that if you train it enough it can click when you say play this on spotify for me it'll in the cloud somewhere click around the the fake buttons on the spotify in the cloud to start playing it on the device this makes a lot of sense yeah from a high level i will say between the humane ai pin and this this like fundamental idea that that the rabbit should eventually get to, I love. Me too. Because this whole thing,

and I talked about this in that last video, is I want an assistant that I can treat like a human assistant. I don't have a human assistant, but what I want is to be able to talk to this device like a human, for it to understand me like a human, and then it can go do things like a human. Yeah.

And if I were to get a human assistant, you would also theoretically need to train them to do certain things. Like the first time I ever say, hey, can you book flights? They're like, okay, well, do you like window seats or aisle seats? What airlines, what airport do you prefer?

All that stuff. But once you train them once or twice, they should just get it and be able to do it. Yeah. And that is exactly how you treat this idea. Right. It should just be able to do whatever you can do because it's doing the same actions that you would do. And it takes that off your plate. And if you ever need to train it, it should be able to accept that training and do more

stuff. So fundamentally, yes, it doesn't have any apps or any APIs. It can interact with things the same way you can. And I love that part. Yeah. In the AI space, they call these agents. Rabbit is calling them rabbits, which is fair. It's just an agent. Cool. Yeah. So, you know, when you teach your rabbit how to do stuff for you, you do have to train it how to use a website or an app, right?

Because it's basically based on like web apps and like computer apps. And the high level idea is that there's like a training suite where you basically record your screen and it learns how you click on things. So during the keynote last night, they gave a demo where they were training it how to buy an iPhone for you on Amazon.

So they basically like recorded the screen of the person going on Amazon, clicking, searching iPhone 14, clicking add to cart. so they basically like recorded the screen of the person going on amazon clicking searching iphone 14 clicking add to cart now the problem right now is that the approach they're taking is very similar to the tesla full self-driving approach which is it needs to see every situation to learn it correct and when tesla tesla sold cars that were cars first, and then something that was happening that the cars were just doing in the background that people didn't have to manually do themselves was it was recording all of the drives. It was seeing a bunch of situations and how the human handled it. Yeah. And it was also able to like recognize objects by just taking in an insane amount of data and putting that in the cloud and using that as a

model it didn't even necessarily this is just semantics but it didn't even necessarily recognize the object like it doesn't see a stop sign for the first time and go what is that and then the human stops and it goes oh stop sign yeah they weren't it never even knows that it's a stop sign it just goes when i see that again this is my behavior because this is how you're supposed to handle this yeah yeah yeah which makes sense But the fact that that was like, you were, people were just buying the cars anyway, cause they were like trendy and electric and cool.

And then that was an additional thing that was happening in the background. The thing with rabbit is when they first announced it, they showed off the training program, the training model and all this stuff. And theoretically they have 800 apps trained. The problem right now is something they said last night at the keynote is for every app that you train, you have to develop an interface to interact with the app on the screen on the rabbit. And that takes a lot of UX design man hours. So what they want to do, what they're building towards is a generative ux

thing where you train the thing it automatically knows oh this is a music app oh this is a shopping app and it develops the buttons on the device itself this is a little bit of a letdown because currently uh besides being able to do the all the chat g stuff, because it's a chat GPT box, basically, and answering your questions, whatever, it currently connects to four apps. Spotify, DoorDash, Uber, and MidJourney. So these are the ones where the experience is fully built out the way they want it to be. They have a UX on the device for that experience. So that means like taking Spotify, for example, I call up the, I pull up the rabbit and I start to ask for a task from Spotify and it has a screen on it so that if I do need additional input, I can interact with it there. So like I say, hey, pull up and play the most popular song from Hans Zimmer's discography.

And then it goes, well, here's the most popular one. Do you want to play the the most popular song from Hans Zimmer's discography. And then it goes, well, here's the most popular one. Do you want to play the second most popular one too? And that's how you interact. Do you want me to demo it right now? Uh, sure. Yeah. Cause it's going to, sure. But the point is it has a screen and unlike the humane pin, you can directly interact with it on the screen right away because there's a little UI built. Yeah. But that's only for these four apps. And for all of the rest of the hundreds, you either can't make any adjustments or you just kind of have to trust

that what it's doing is what you want. Yeah. Are there any music artists that were whitelisted on this channel for that I can play? Vainsil, you can do Vainsil. Yeah. Okay.

It's also an interesting name if it understands. Play the best songs from 20SYL. Okay. Starting the music player now. Okay, so it's playing a 20SYL song. You can see it on the screen. And because it's just... I'm going to stop this just so it's not being annoying.

Okay, I can pause. Cool. Because it's playing it attached to my Spotify, when you open up Spotify on my laptop, you can see the same song is being played on my laptop. So you don't see a mouse moving around and clicking things because it's doing it in the back end. But that's how they get around the API thing,

is that they have a virtual, semantically understood, these are where the buttons are, I'm recognizing the buttons, I'm clicking the buttons for you, and then I'm pushing that to your a bit like macro type activities yes it reminds me so much of like like botting in video games like rootscape used to just literally be like if you don't want to do this really really tedious grind of some 100 yeah dumb activity like tree cutting you would just download a bot that knows how to do it yeah yeah this is

the bot that's gonna run skate bot real good i can't yeah yeah so yeah it's a little bit of a bummer that right now there's only four apps that have u ux's on it so otherwise it's got effectively the same functionality as the humane ai pin um although in our four i would say it can do a lot just by interacting with those 800 apps that the humane pin couldn't but you you can't interact you can't they're trained but you can't interact with them i can't do anything with them no because you can't sign into your account there has to be a ux to be able to sign into the account to interact with the app oh that's so true yeah because then when i so that's funny when i logged in, I logged into Spotify and it was, it was kind of funny. I went into the web portal and it was very clearly like I'm going through a macro instruction phase right now by signing in and like putting in, it wasn't just a normal okay and the mouse button was different like all these

things were different about it which felt like i am teaching it right now how to log into my account and i did and now it works but i do realize now you need that ui so just to log into any account in any app so it's like different it's not just like the like normal little pop-up that comes up that's like link this or like sign in with your google account it looks just like that no it looked just like that but the mouse was different and the window was like windowed off like three times it looked kind of kind of weird so and that's in the like a web in the web for the rabbit hole portal okay so like you looked like you were on essentially like a virtual machine inside of a web portal. That's actually what it is. It is a virtual machine.

It is a virtual machine. Yeah, right? Yeah. Interesting. That feels so weird. I get it, but it feels weird. It is a very smart way from a high level to get around the API problem. However, you run into some weird things.

When you're setting up the Rabbit, you have to do it on your laptop because if you do it on a phone there is a mouse that is floating that you can't move exactly oh so because unless you'd like plugged in a mouse to your android phone and move the mouse physically it doesn't let you do that here's a question and i know we're still so we're only on four apps right now right even though they said 800 trained or something like that right which yeah hopefully comes out sometime soon everyone loves the launch of a product with none of the things they promised originally coming soon um but like just for example we just talked about youtube completely changing their whole web layout design what are we gonna get when if youtube's on there or doordash is a new update to their

design and buttons are different? The idea is like the way that scripts work, like for example, Fuji recently released a special edition X100V. They got scalped instantly when it went on sale. And the way that those scalpers work is you're predetermining what area of the screen to click and then the macros just do it. But the way that they're doing this is they're semantically understanding

what is this button? Like if I see this green button with a play logo, I know that's a play button and therefore I know to click that. So even if it gets moved on the screen somewhere else, theoretically, it already knows to click that and that means play. Yeah, what if like,

let's take for instance the like button or it used to be a five-star rating on like youtube then switch to a thumbs up like button like you can have a significant change you have to be retrained yeah yeah fun so the training is a weird thing because we were talking about the tesla full self-driving approach um they were originally i think just gonna like the the training of how do I use this web app and you can just train it yourself. That was something that was super exciting about this device that I think a lot of people were hyped on because it's like, oh, even if I have this really narrow use case that only me and a few other people do, if I just show it what I'm doing enough times, then it should be able to do it for me from my thing. But they kind of went into this thing about ai safety at the event and they were like we realized we don't want people making malicious scripts with this that they can train so we're

going to like red team this until later this year when we know it's safe to release the problem though is if you do that then you have four apps that you can use in a chat GPT box. Yeah, the problem with that is you said all this stuff was going to happen, got 100,000 pre-orders, and then said it's not there coming soon. Yeah, this is the fundamental buying a device based on future promises thing where AI in general has all this gigantic future promise, and we're coming out with a device that's based on it super early, and it delivers almost none of that promise.

You could make a real emotional argument that this is worth buying based on the possible future of what it could be to you, but it makes it impossible to review right now because it just doesn't do that stuff. Yeah. And I do think the price is significant, though. I'm way more interested in spending $200

on something that could be something cool and maybe I could toy around with because it's $200 and not $800. To give it a shot. Yeah, I do think... I guess you don't need to sell your cellular data, right? No, you can just use Wi-Fi if you want. Okay, so you don't need to pay for a data card

that will cost money per month eventually, which feels like a little whatever. I kind of like it. I love the color. It feels like it could be fun. $200 isn't the worst if you're down to like throw some money at something. Ultimate thought on it, though, is just like, when I think of the AI pin, the Humane pin, and this, is that the AI pin at least makes sense to not be your phone.

This makes zero sense to not just be an app on your phone, because the AI pin's on your body, and your phone can be in your back pocket. You have to interact with this almost exactly like how you would interact with a phone. It has nothing extra. In fact, everything is worse than your phone. The screen, the camera, the processor. Every single part of this is worse than your phone. And you still need to pull it out of your pocket to use it. So you're using it exactly like you're using your phone.

So every time you have to use it, you have to make that decision. Like, am I going to pull my phone out to do this? Or am I going to pull this other thing out of my other pocket to use this? So the friction level to get to your phone is the same as getting to this. It's the same. So I'm gonna pick my phone most of the time because my phone's really good at pictures

and videos and looking stuff up. And the pin at least, their marketing thing was like, you don't need to keep reaching for your phone, it's on your body already. We already talked about all the shortcomings of that, but I just, I think that's a fair assessment between the two of them yeah here's some other interesting things that it does treat it like a human but like a superhuman if you point

it at a large paragraph of text or an article and say summarize this for me it will read the entire thing and summarize it for you in like three seconds yeah that's pretty cool yeah it is a lot faster than him the humane death so far it's noticeably faster and i noticed that um it'll have the rabbit be like sure let me take a look at that for you just to burn time it's burning time that sounds so simple but the humane pen doesn't do that the humane pen waits occasionally no no it does it but after a wait it's i feel like it always does like pause pause pause pause looking up how old the williamsburg bridge is or looking up bridge the williamsburg bridge bridge is like it just is later like do it first so i know you're doing time stoppers like that to make

it feel like you're having a real conversation makes it feel like the wait time is less than it is or to even just make sure that it heard you the humane pin there were times where i saw my sp like ask it like how old is david amell and then go to ask it again and it would be like looking david amell and it's like well now i pressed it again and activated it and i don't know if it heard me when we were recording the review i remember you would ask it a question we'd wait like five seconds and then you'd be like i guess it didn't hurt me try to start to continue your script and then you'd be talking to be like yeah we just start talking yeah yeah that that's a subtle thing but that's really smart to immediately engage burn a little time and confirm that it actually heard you yeah which is smart yeah um it does have a little speaker on it it does have a

small virtual keyboard this is a touch screen yeah so you can input your wi-fi password a hilarious bug is there there there is no percent button on the keyboard yeah so if you get this before the ota update and you have a percent in your wi-fi password you can't use it because it can't connect to wi-fi to get the ota update so that was kind of weird but hopefully you get the update somehow can you even have a percent in your wi-fi password yeah lots of people okay yeah unfortunately so those people shouldn't get the original rabbit i so i'm sure there's another way to connect you can to to go into your settings you shake it like i feel like this has like a lot of teenage engineering blood in it which is to say

like make it like weirdly quirky and slightly annoying in favor of being quirky you know the problem is like I got settings but when I go back home it just goes back to the Spotify app and I don't

you can't get out of the I don't really know it is not as intuitive it's not as. That's how I'm looking at it. Ah, sorry From how many times David's? Professional tech reviewer. How do I pause it? That's that's where we're at. Also the scroll wheel in my opinion Oh my goodness Okay in my opinion oh my goodness david it's copyrighted i'm talking so you can't hear it i'm saving it uh okay uh the the scroll wheel shake it harder okay the scroll wheel acceleration i think needs to be a little bit tweaked yeah you gotta turn it to you gotta turn it a lot to do a couple of things if this had like steps on it like i could tell like some feet better feedback in the wheel it would be so much better yeah the haptic

feedback is actually not bad it's not super turned on there's haptics um yeah right mind this does not i thought there oh when you're using the keyboard it does have haptics there's a haptic motor in there it just doesn't work for most stuff i don't know how to get back out of spotify which is unfortunate does it have like a home screen to go back to no there's no settings you just hit the go home ordering an uber it did do that it went home okay purchasing home purchasing it does have okay connects to redfin and just buys you a house so here's the keyboard uh it's very cute very terminally which is very nice you can type on that yeah it's actually it's actually not bad it's wider than your iphone mini keyboard bro no actually it is hold up yeah at least jesse said that on i remember so he was talking about it and how

you type here and how you can so you can type with the keyboard and you can scroll through with the wheel, which is cool. But enter is always the button. And when he was holding it and I was watching the video, I assumed the button was top right. It is underneath, which feels. It's kind of strange. If I'm using both my thumbs to type, that is a weird spot to enter every time. Yeah. Okay.

So we can compare. So like the iPhone keyboard is a lot spot to enter every time yeah okay so we can compare so like the iphone keyboard is a lot taller which helps um it's about the same width yeah i didn't find it that hard to type on to be honest what why is the keyboard touch screen but it seems like the rest of the device that's what i also don't understand that they force force you to... This feels like teenage engineering. It's the same thing. Adam, did he put that video out yet? The white people in the audience? Okay. Anyway, this feels like...

Subscribe to the studio channel. Yeah. This feels like teenage engineering. Teenage engineering always adds these weird things that they could add easily, but they intentionally don't so that you have to use a workaround that is quirkier theoretically, but kind of annoying.

My theory is that they like voice better and they probably want to focus on voice things. That's why they don't want you to use the touchscreen as much. Oh, wow. Yeah, but the thing is, if I'm in the settings menu, oh, wait, right, you have to shake it. Okay, if I'm in the settings menu why can't i just

tap this when this is a touch screen that part is really you have to use the wheel yeah um and the button and the button yeah okay so bro you're chewing through battery i know i know holy cow yeah so we maxed our brightness though i think you should be able to yeah i agree i started my day be able to. Yeah, I agree. I started my day. Actually, I started the podcast sitting down with 96% battery. Okay. Ellis, how long have we been sitting here recording? That's a great question, Marques. We have been sitting here recording for one hour and 18 minutes now. So in that 78 minute span, I have burned all the way down to 71 battery okay i've done a few queries yeah but that's about 20 battery in 70 minutes yeah that's a lot of math it's probably gonna have to be charging soon for a half hour uh yeah yeah the interesting thing is i feel like the approach they're going

with is like could not be more different from humane where humane was like get rid of well they didn't say get rid of well they kind of said get rid of i don't know they said it but they were like we need to change the way we interact with technology we need to have a more humane approach to technology they had their turtlenecks on and did their whole and this one's literally like no humans animals rabbits yeah well and, and also, Jesse, he keeps recording himself doing things, and then it messes up, and he's like, just so you know, guys, this is a beta. So, to me, it feels like they're letting the people who are hyped about a new product category beta test this for them.

They want to set the expectations so low that even if it doesn't really work nobody can get mad at them which kind of like i generally prefer the under promise approach because even if you don't deliver you never promise anything is it under promising though if in the original keynote you say you can train it to do things and it has 800 that and then it can't do either of them i strongly agree with that that's a problem i i mean like i think the under promised part is that it's it's way cheaper and i'm way more okay beta testing something and learning how to do something for 200 bucks yeah i still i don't know i don't know why i kind of want this even though i'm like i have not said a single nice thing about it because it's a teenage engineering product camera bad battery

bad functionality bad orange orange chef's kiss okay hear me out hear me out what if it's it is actually an amazing product and it's just the wrong demographic what are you talking about what demographic think about it

think about it think about it old people it's bright orange it has a tiny keyboard and it can answer really simple questions babies guys this is for kids picture your lane i'm getting i don't need to teach you anything just go out in the world the kids like what color is that what what shape is that yeah that's an object on something you don't even need school anymore you don't need school you have have the rabbit R1. It is kind of like a legit Pokedex because you can just point it at things and ask what it is. That's what a Pokedex does.

Would you be the coolest six-year-old or the lamest six-year-old if you brought this to preschool and you were like, check this out. What lunch is this? And they said like, this is Chips Ahoy. But even like, how do I spell that? Or like walking up to a building and be like, what's inside there? Yeah. How do I do math? Can I pet that dog?

Yeah, exactly. Like, maybe this helps children navigate the world in a way that parents who are too busy. Actually, a great point. Jesse, I'm not available for hire. He was so close to getting the right target demographic but instead he got but how do you market this yeah i guess they kind of are i don't know sorry sorry continue i was just gonna say like i keep like thinking about this and how they're always like just ask it this and then i think like if this had a touchscreen i would like

to do some things quiet well you can you can type with can type with the, you can just in the terminal. You can ask the cook. Oh, I thought it was just like, I asked it the weather. It told me the weather, it was great. Oh, okay. So I can do that. Yeah, you can, but I have to go into the, no, you just turn it, have to shake it and then turn terminal on again.

Oh, do you turn it off? Why is it called terminal? That makes it sound like it's okay. Cool. That's my fault. That's my fault. I'm just wrong. And then I can turn it this way and say, cool. That's my fault. That's my fault. I'm just wrong. And then I can turn it this way and say,

who hosts sick? I don't know what I did. It's going to take a while. I think I hit the scroll wheel and went back. That's perfect timing. I'm trying as hard as I can here. It is not as easy as the iPhone keyboard. In this time, I could have pulled my phone out of my pocket

and just typed. Bro, you're just not thinking. Yeah, this is hard thinking yeah this is hard why okay this is harder than i thought this keyboard's bad i think i could get it's got some nice it's bad yeah it's a bad keyboard i mean yeah it's searching the waveform podcast is hosted by marcus brownlee andrew manganelli and david now i'm gonna ask one more question i asked the hum. The humane pin got that right. I'm going to ask it the question it got wrong. And then I said, which was who produces that podcast?

Does it in terminal? Is it going to understand the context? You should be able to chain questions. Okay. I just said I typed much better that time. Nice. It You should be able to chain questions. Okay, I just said. I typed much better that time. Nice.

It got this one wrong the same way. The Waveform podcast is produced by Marques Brownlee, Studio 71. Oh, old answers. Not true. It's old. It's produced by Alice Roven and Adam Molina. Yeah. Well.

Are you sure? So it kind of feels like to me that something that I kind of like took in from the event was they showed like all of these partners that they started bringing in. And just for context, Jesse is like a serial startup founder and he was in Y Combinator, which is the biggest startup incubator in the world, in the Bay Area. And Humane kind of took this approach. The way I see it, Humane is trying to be Apple, and Rabbit is trying to be Android. They're like, we want partners to work with us, but we're going to... That's a great analogy. Sorry, I like that a lot. It checks out

in a lot of ways. We're going to enable a terminal. We're going to work on all these get-it-on-the-grounds. Unlock USB-Cbc for you yeah they said they were gonna like allow the port to do whatever they're just gonna like do whatever you want with this and it's kind of like a low-end thing but like figure out how to hack it and make it interesting whereas humane is like we have our os that's a closed ecosystem that only works with you like our humane stuff and it doesn't do anything else they are doing well future doing something opening apks or something like that with humane pin for other people to do stuff but it's like the os or something right i think so but i guess the os is what's running the pin no cosmos i don't know this wait did you see what it said? Yeah. I said, are you sure that's who hosts it?

It said, yes. And I said, no, it's not. And it said, sorry, or I apologize. And then I said, fix it. And it said, the Waveform podcast is produced by Studio 71. It just said the same thing again. Oh. Yeah.

So it was interesting because during the keynote, Jesse's like, you guys asked for perplexity. We added perplexity. You guys asked for this. We added this. So to me, they're like, this device is all about partnerships and like hacking your way into it working. And it just feels like a very different approach than Humane was taking. I still think that this is more of a tech demo than it is like a product that is going to change the way you interact with technology right now it's sort of just showing you what you could theoretically maybe do in the future if it was better um i think it's it's like a beta device it feels like yeah people that want to just have a

fun little thing to mess around with and play with AI hardware, that's what this is for. It is a really cool way to show off a really sweet technology that is large action models. And like, whether this is super, yeah. The training. Exactly. There's a ton of training to do. Whether this is like going to be the coolest product ever, probably not.

But large action models are awesome. And this is going to be a fun way to do that. I'm weirdly excited for it because like what you said, I think people are going to do some crazy shit with it, like weird stuff. And I'm excited to see what they do and some of that might be kind of cool

and at a way cheaper price point. That's pretty neat. And by excited, I mean, I still will not buy one of these but i still think i can't wait till adam buys this and thinks of something really cool yeah the ceo and founder of teenage engineering is now the chief product officer of rabbit as well i think jesse is on the teenage engineering he's still on the board yeah okay they're basically like this i do it just high-fived on stage basically yeah. I appreciate that Jesse goes into the Discord

and shows off a lot of stuff to the people in there. Humane also has people in and out of their Discord, but Jesse feels like he is really reacting to a lot of things. He made that video. And you know he's making that video. Humane has a Discord too. Yeah, they do have a Discord. Bethany and Imran go in it,

but Jesse feels like he's interacting way more and showing off things on it, jesse like feels like he's interacting way more and like showing off things on it um which i think is really neat and i have two two closing thoughts okay i mean these are obviously super early impressions we just got the device and i'm working on the review but my two closing thoughts from this one is when you zoom all the way out and like i always try to think like how i would explain this to like a teammate or a regular person who's not into tech and it's up it's up against the exact same questions as a humane pin wait so it does what my phone does but on another device like that's

still it's up against that obviously but my other thought which i've been like composing into maybe a video in my head which is interesting is technology has allowed so many of these new categories of products to come out long before they are actually reaching their potential as what they're supposed to be as a product 100 from games getting like sloppily released but then software yes can fix thank you alpha games sorry i'm interrupting you but that's how i've been like semi comparing this too it's just like every game is an alpha release which basically is like you can pay a little bit less than 60 bucks but you have to tell me that you're okay with this game having a ton of problems and we'll fix it when we feel like it so that

happens all the time we've talked about it earlier today cars coming out with software features that are basically alpha and that may get better and live up to the promise over time later to obviously smartphones this happens all the time apple announced a new iphone and deep fusion is coming later this year and just trust me on this one all the way to these things which are like at the furthest end of the tail where they come out and they're almost useless. But the idea of what they could be in three years is this gigantic, beautiful assistant in your pocket thing. So invested it now. It's just technology has just created this thing that I have feelings about. It feels like everything is a Kickstarter now.

It's like you need to give us money so that we can achieve the dream that you want. But you got to give us the money to do it now do you believe in us? so sharks it feels like most of the products don't deliver though on like their dream which is just super disappointing which is why I give my

endlessly evergreen advice of to buy a product for what it is now buy the game for what it is now buy a product for what it is now. Yeah. Buy the game for what it is now. Buy the car for what it is now. Buy the phone for what it is now. Buy the R1 for what it is right now. Also, IO and WWDC are next month and the month after.

So it's going to be very interesting to see how those companies react to this. I cannot wait to see the Google Assistant and Siri updates this year. It's going to be spice. I cannot wait to see the Google Assistant and Siri updates this year. It's gonna be spice. It's gonna be fascinating. This is my prediction for the Rabbit R1, specifically this product, just this product.

This is the new Spotify car things. That's so sad. Tell me I'm wrong. It's kinda cool and then nobody really liked it and then you got it for really cheap later, and then everyone found kind of cool things to do with it on the set. Everyone hacked it and did their own thing with it. Car things 2.0.

You can take the dive for $200. But this is a good place to end it. I think a good thing to keep in mind is this is literally just our very first day of impressions, and we're working on a whole bunch more research and eventually a full review, so stay tuned for that. But we got much more to talk about after the break. We got emulators.

We got TikTok, or the lack of it. But before that, we should take a break with trivia. Trivia! Trivia! All right. So the calculator app, calculators, we're back. The calculator app on the original iPhone was actually based on a classic calculator from 1977. There are two points up for grabs in this question.

One point, if you can name the legendary German housewares company that made this calculator. They're still in business today. They're mostly known for clocks and razors nowadays. Another point, if you can name the designer who made this calculator, who shares a first name with a famous tech journalist. There's not that many famous. Can we just put their first names? I will accept just the first name.

Okay, cool. That gives me a chance for one point. Okay. Famous tech journalist. You know,. That gives me a chance for one point. Okay. Famous tech journalists. You know, I know German housewares company sounds like, but I promise you are all aware of this company. Yeah. And you said they make clocks and razors.

They've made everything under the sun. They've been around for 60, 70 years now. However, nowadays they are most known for clocks and razors. They might only make razors now actually. Clocks? And that's such a

random... I can't think of a single company that makes clocks and razors. We'll figure it out once I answer the question for you guys. Then you'll know. You don't know who made razor scooters i will i will let you ask the rabbit if you are willing to just put down whatever it says this is my one opportunity i might try it all right well we'll be right back Support for the show today comes from NetSuite. Anxious about where the economy is headed?

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which is exciting, I think. If you're like an OG old person like us, back in the day. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Speak for yourself. I do not consider myself old yet. You know, we're both 30. David's not. So we are on the older side

yeah the cutoff for old will always be right above me fair i think that's totally fair thank you moving goalposts yeah anyway if you're an old person like us uh you might remember this thing called sidia which was a way to jailbreakbreak your iPhone way back in the good old days. Damn, I am old. Exactly. I don't know what that is. Am I the young one now? You remember jailbreaking the iPhone?

You remember jailbreaking the iPhone? I never had an iPhone. Do you ever jailbreak an iPod Touch? I never had an iPod. That was what I used Cydia for. Anyway, back in the day, if you wanted to play emulators on an apple device portable apple device you had to use this thing called cydia which would basically jailbreak it and then you could install emulators on your ipod touch or your iphone that kind of stuff

apple has traditionally not allowed emulators for a very similar reason to the reasons they don't they haven't allowed like games inside of super apps because they can't control all of the micro software that's in the macro software and they're control freaks um but now that the digital markets act in the european union got passed and in the eu apple has to allow third-party app stores apple realized well if we have to allow third-party app stores and probably one of the main reasons that people to allow third-party app stores and probably one of the main reasons that people download those third-party app stores is to do the thing that they can't do on the regular app store which is emulator being a big part of it they just realized like if we

don't want people to go to the third-party app stores we should just allow emulators on our app store fair so that's what they did um they finally decided to allow emulators on the App Store so now there are a couple up there the biggest one is called Delta which is a Nintendo emulator that can do anything from the NES through the N64 for the home consoles and the Gameboy through the Nintendo DS for the portable

consoles it's not a new emulator it's something that's been in development for like 10 years because they were basically just sort of like waiting for the day when they could like push this out. And it's always been in test flight. So you could like get it via test flight. Yeah.

So it was always unofficial, not on the app store. And then as soon as Apple relaxed these policies, they just hit publish. And all of a sudden they have this very full featured, very built out emulator. Didn't it shoot up to like number one? Number one on the app store for like a week yeah um you can easily airplay games to your tv you can use it with bluetooth controllers so it's like a pretty it's a pretty serious app yeah that's funny yeah so it's uh it's quite cool i think that there's just there's a lot of weird gray zones around emulators in general because technically there is precedent for the ability to run an emulator of something

to understand how it works but then obviously distributing game files yeah is illegal all the games you're playing you're not paying for exactly yeah so when you distribute an emulator you just say like we're just giving you the platform it's not up to us how you get the thing that you do because theoretically you could do a rom dump which is called a it's read-only memory but you can basically dump the game from your physical cartridge if you wanted to and then play that and that is technically legal that's like the way that people get around this is that if you bought the copy of the game you should be able to play the read all my memory version of the game on a different device uh so that's how people get around this anyway it's kind of cool because there's there have been

all these reasons why you would buy an android phone specifically because you could do things on it that you couldn't do on an iphone right and now this is just another took one off you could do things on it that you couldn't do on an iPhone. And now this is just another thing you can do on the iPhone as well. Is old game consoles the only thing that people want to emulate? It seems like that's the only thing we'll talk about. Mostly, yeah. Pretty much. Is there an Android one that you would suggest? I'm assuming this isn't also on Android.

I don't think Delta's on Android, but there was one called something for GBA. Charlie? That I used to use. What was it? Oh. I can't remember what it was called. I don't actually play that many games.

So, yeah. Yeah, I'm asking it like I would want to do something, but I probably wouldn't too much. Maybe on like a plane ride. I mean, yeah. I'm just seeing GoldenEye on an iPhone and I'm like, oh, that sounds so sick. Yeah, that's true.

There's one device that I can say for certain is commonly emulated in the United States without needing to play any games. And that is the OG Palm Pilot OS. And that is because the first digital movie projectors, all the timing calculations was done on a Palm Pilot. And when it became impossible to get Palm Pilots, it was easier to just emulate. They did it on a PDA? Oppenheimer, the 70 mil IMAX, because all the IMAX software software still only runs on Palm OS.

So if you go into an IMAX 70 mil projection room, you will see a computer running a Palm Pilot emulation. What? That is calibrated. Why did they do that via a PDA? Because I think it was really simple software and it was a cheap thing you could just mount on the wall and teach people how to use. And I thought

they'd be around forever. That's crazy. That's the most film industry thing to do ever ain't it like make everything a bazillion dollars and then use like a palm pilot to like figure out when to swap the reels and it'll be like we can't remove this step in the chain it's stuck yeah we'll be doing that in a hundred years and they'll be like yeah it was only available on the rabbit r1 now we have to emulate it on a computer yeah which is funny because the rabbit is actually emulating things it's a virtual machine so rabbits all the way now well i'm sure this image will show up in b-roll when i give it to adam but um i just sent you guys a picture of a 70 millimeter film reel next to the palm pilot emulator and it is just awesome that's amazing on an ipad yeah they're emulating the palm pilot on an old ipad on the wall that's just a very poorly cut out palm pilot it's so

funny that's amazing we love to see it also shout out to imax because they are finally making a new imax camera for the first time since like the 1970s yeah because they've finally making a new IMAX camera for the first time since the 1970s. Because they've been licensing the IMAX sensors and stuff to Ari and folks. I think we don't have the IMAX cert, but you can get an IMAX cert V-Raptor. Yeah. I believe there are only nine IMAX film cameras

and they were all made in the 1970s. Yeah. And they're now finally making a brand new one that is like completely made of like carbon fiber composite. And it's got a bunch of like touchscreen stuff on it, even though it shoots film to like show you what you're shooting digitally, but it is like putting it on film.

It's epic. Closed ecosystems, you know, are a mixed bag and can really result in some funky bad times. But I love IMAX. ecosystems you know are a mixed bag and can really result in some funky bad times but i i max i love i love the imax speakers are like the coolest looking speakers anyone has ever made right i think the imax like uh seat height specs are like perfect for watching movies yeah sorry we're a little bit down the rabbit hole and not that rabbit hole. Speaking of videos, new development as of this week, TikTok banned. Not yet.

Exactly. Yeah. So the headline is that the bill was signed for ByteDance to have to divest and not own all of TikTok and so I guess that means it's going to be up for sale as of January 2025. We don't really know all the details yet but it seems like something we should keep an eye on.

That's kind of it. Basically. So far. Yeah, they have a year to sell the US wing to another US company. Otherwise, they are banned yeah um and it went through congress the house and biden so got signed yeah got signed so we'll see what happens i guess now we got a way to ear i have one last headline i want to go through with you guys okay this is fascinating to me i just want you to know in the document it says electric g-wagoo that's what i wrote okay

did i stutter the new g-wagoo the the electric g-wagon uh was announced and it kind of goes on stale uh late 2024 goes on stale and i just i just want you guys to listen to the specs because you know what a g-wagon is right you've You've seen the square Mercedes Jeep. It's iconic. It's a bit of a fashion icon. It's a status symbol. They're making an electric one finally. And I've been on my high horse about vehicles that should go electric. This is the spec sheet of the electric G-Wagon.

It will start at $180,000. It has quad motors and 116 kilowatt hour battery. It will do 0 to 60 in 4.7 seconds. It will have a max range of 250 miles EPA rated, and it only charges at 200 kilowatts. I read that spec sheet and I immediately thought, I think this might be the most inefficient EV I've ever seen on paper. Only short of the Hummer EV. The Hummer EV is just, we put 220 kilowatt hours of battery in there, so it should be fine. And it eventually pans out and goes like almost 300 miles, whatever.

But it also does zero to 60 in like three seconds flat because it's like a ridiculous amount of power. It's like 1,000 horsepower. They managed to do quad motors in this thing. But only 0-60 in 4.7 seconds? That seems... It's really slow. It's not slow, but it's like...

It's quad motors. That's comparatively slow. We regularly see dual motor vehicles doing 2.9s and 3.5s. Yeah. I don't know. Quad motor. It does off-roading. Are they less powerful motors but with better individual control to each wheel for stuff like that?

So, yeah, they're definitely less powerful motors. Okay. They will definitely also have individual control of each wheel like every other quad motor vehicle but not any better or worse. Like the quad motor R1T,ians r1t yeah quad motor for all the same reasons individual control of each wheel better off-roading capabilities individualized traction control torque vectoring all that stuff is still true it's just these are just super inefficient for some reason and also only 250 miles of range so it's not like these are super powerful but don't go very far they're both not powerful and not efficient but it has the thing that everyone buying a g-wagon wants shiny logo is that it's a g-wagon it just looks

like a g-wagon it makes noises that sound kind of like a gas G-Wagon. I have a question. Why is there a humane AI pin on the back of it? A giant AI pin? That's kind of funny. The tire cover just looks like a blue. A blue AI pin would look pretty sweet. Yeah, that's a nice color. There's storage in there. Is it storage or the tire?

It's a spare tire. It's not even a... No, it's electronic. Go to two minutes, 45 seconds. It's your charger. Also, eight minute Twitter video. Huge L. It says delivery later this year.

Yeah. That's kind of crazy. Yeah, you too could have a $180,000, 250 mile range EV if you really wanted to. Do you know how many rabbits I could buy with that? So many rabbits. I could ask the rabbit. There are some genuinely interesting,

like really good off-roading features, which is hilarious because nobody who buys a G-Wagon actually off-roads it. But hey, it's electric, so it has that capability now. Cool. But hey, there you go. It's 180 grand for this. Nice.

Cool. All right. Cool, cool, cool, cool. Where's my $100 refundable reservation? I bet you can i bet that's a thing anyway i think that's about it for this week we talked about a lot of stuff we talked about the rabbit we have a bunch more to talk about with this and of course recalls ipads and software updates but we have one more thing to talk about

trivia trivia no your app didn't pause unless you have the skip silence somebody definitely has the skip silence i feel like it has no idea what's going on yeah i was gonna say you just said it like the humane and rabbit say things exactly firing up the rabbit all right i'm at half battery by the way half half i'm at i think the rabbit has to hear ellis though if you want to use it i think i'm going to treat it like my personal assistant i'm going to rephrase the question but what if i want to get the answer right you have to write down the entire question that the entire answer it says i can't there's no way i can do that it's gonna give me a long answer i know it i can't the more we've been using it i kind of think it's semi repeating the question to give

itself more time i wouldn't be shocked yeah sorry alice i know it has perplexity ai access but i don't know it's like a it's like it's like chat gpt or it's like aGPT or OpenAI. It's more information. It's more accuracy focused than OpenAI is. My laptop is on its dying breath of battery. All right. You don't need your laptop for trivia. I just want to say the dictionary definition of perplexity is one's inability to understand complicated ideas sounds like so why would they

name it that then i don't really understand unless maybe i'm wrong about that but i'm pretty sure if you look in the dictionary for perplexity it is the yeah actually it's the quality of being perplexed inability to deal with or understand something complicated oof so it sounds like a lot of large language uh but question number one yeah calculator for the ipad it's coming supposedly another app that we had to wait forever for on the ipad was the weather app so i want you to tell me how late in the ipad's lifespan in years did the weather app come out when did the first ipad come out and when did the weather app for ipad come out this feels a little bit like cheating now well it's gonna be in the mic yeah i feel like what's the first ipad was released in 2010 wait but it did

not have an official weather app from apple wait that was my release of ipados 16 on october 24th 2022 that was the weather app was made available on more devices across the apple ecosystem it's cut off too late well now i definitely got it wrong okay yeah i was i said 11 i said 10 because i thought it was 2021 that it came out also realizing i knew it was 20 did the math completely wrong i did 12 yeah well oh that was wrong also no no 12 is correct oh sorry i got a little trigger happy with the wrong button yeah okay i knew it came out in 2010 but i thought that the weather app came out in 2021 but i guess it was 2022 i thought it came out in 2023 and i just did my math completely

oh actually i was right on the 2010 and then i was just like oh it probably came out last year because we said it was recent and i just mathed wrong i mathed wrong too because i was like oh that came out two years ago and i thought it was 2023 this year so i thought it was 2021 that it came out oh wow so i got it right but i got it wrong yeah okay how do we feel i feel like the rabbit thing didn't you just asked it the questions you didn't yeah it didn't yeah i don't know about it i'm gonna give you the point marquez but in the future if we're if we're consulting ai assistant i think you have to ask it the hard question yeah ask it what i asked you and it needs to answer what you put down on the thing not the

here's two answers that you get to do the so you prefer if i don't have to do any deduction you want me to get only the answer to the trivia i think rabbit would prefer that let me just try rabbit was trying that let me just try that real quick how many years was it between the release of the original ipad and the ipad's first weather app i think even that is an easier version of that but that's what alice has yeah it was a longer i'm just saying it should tell me a number in years yeah yeah yeah unless it just doesn't answer for some reason once in a while it just doesn't yeah even look to try i'm gonna try again how many years was it between the release of the first ipad and the ipad's first weather app looking it up now. There you go. The first iPad was released on April 3rd, 2010. The first

version of iPadOS, iPadOS 13, was released on September 24th, 2019. Therefore, it was approximately nine years and five months between the release of the first iPad and the release of iPadOS 13. The question asks about the release of iPadOS 16, but the search results do not provide enough information to determine how many years it has been since the release of the first iPad. However, we can determine that it has been more than nine years and five months

since the release of the first iPad. Therefore, the answer to the question is, it has been more than nine years and five months since the release of the first iPad. That's true. Therefore, the answer to the question is it has been more than nine years five months since the release of the first iPad. Do I take your point away? I don't know. I think you should take two points away. You should take a point away. Well, okay. He used deductive reasoning.

Deductive reasoning. The problem was is that when you asked it the two questions it knew exactly what they were. So it can figure it out. It just did not figure it out through the yeah yeah you should take it away and i i think because i said i did set the rule delta it's whatever the pin says not what you did you know the answer to that question anyways um i think i was gonna say it came out in 2023 so but i also thought 2011 for the ipad so i would have said

12 anyway but with the wrong reasoning we all have the wrong yeah we all have the wrong no i was just wrong i was wrong and i got it right i just thought it was 2023 right now that was my problem a lot of cope coming from the oh i just got it wrong today embarrassed but something you will also have to cope for is another question about calculators specifically the original ios calculator from iphone 1 was based on a classic calculator from 1977. I'm looking for two pieces of information here. One, the name of the legendary German housewares company that made this calculator. And two, the name of the designer of this calculator who shares a name with a famous tech journalist. I really hope the name's just like David.

It's Marquez. John. I do want to try I do want to try asking a rabbit this question after this alright let's turn them

around oh wow Marques why don't you go first I thought that it was Texas Instruments which is definitely not

what country did you say German yeah I didn't think about I was just about to say Marques I'm from Texas no s*** Texas and then I said Walt did you say german german yeah i didn't think about it i was just about to say markets are for texas no sh** texas and then i said walt because i don't think there's that many famous tech journalists so i thought you were talking i'm assuming david got it right so i'll go next i said chick and walt alas david i said braun. Braun is the company. Because they make very cool clocks, by the way, and calculators.

I did not know that. Clocks. And Dieter Rams. Dieter Rams is the designer. Yeah, I have a bone to pick with this question. The journalist is Dieter Mossberg is the journalist. Who? Oh, yeah.

Wait. Dieter is not a tech journalist is my bone to pick. Dieter Bone. Oh, not anymore. He is not a tech journalist. Oh, give me a break. Give me a break. Give me a break. Hold on.

Let's ask Rabbit. Ask Rabbit. Is Dieter... Sorry, I just... No, come on. Is the issue because he used to be a tech journalist? He was,

but when you said famous tech journalist, I was like, wow, that really narrows it down because there's not... Yeah, but if you're a basketball player and you're retired,

you're still a famous basketball player. Yeah, it's not like... You can't say Shaq isn't a famous basketball player. You don't move to a different job after. Shaq is a broadcaster. Yeah, but he's not a famous best yeah it's not like but you can't say shack isn't a famous basketball player yeah a different job shack is a broadcaster yeah but he's not a famous google employee now okay all right uh well okay so how do i phrase this question the first one is who designed the first ipad calculator yeah just i would just ask it who designed the calculator that the iphone calculator was based on got it wake it up who designed the calculator that the iPhone calculator was based on? Got it. Wake it up.

Who designed the calculator that the first iPhone's calculator app was based on? The screen blacked out, and it said initialize, and it, okay. It has to be connected to the Wi-Fi, which it only reconnects when you turn the screen back on. Amazing. Yeah.

Who designed the calculator that the original ipads who designed the calculator that the original iphone's calculator app was based on searching now the original iPhone's calculator app was based on the design of the 1977 Braun ET44 and ET66 calculators these calculators were known for their sleek and minimalist

design which influenced the look and feel of the iPhone's calculator app the design of the Braun calculators was a tribute to Dieter Rams, a renowned industrial designer who worked for Braun. Killer. The iPhone's calculator app was designed to be a visual and functional homage to these iconic calculators.

Oh, right. You said who designed it? I said who designed... Right, okay, yeah. So the Braun named the calculators and the designer. That's like a pretty good answer to a pretty complex question. Yeah, I was impressed. Perplexity.

But but this is not the end of trivia today, guys, because YouTube commenters have been relentlessly asking for us to do this. So without further ado, I'm going to welcome a very special trivia guest. Her name is Maria, and she just walked away nice i'm back okay so today i don't have a crawfish question for you but since you were already talking about the new youtube layout we do have a YouTube question for you, if you're prepared. So, YouTube's original 2005 video player page had four tabs at the top of the screen.

Home, watch videos, upload videos, and what? It's concerning me that no one's writing sorry I forgot we had to do that I wasn't alive we should ask the rabbit watch videos it was home, watch videos, upload videos and what

I'm kind of being a smartass in this one, but I'm definitely wrong. I'm leaving it. All right. What do y'all say? All right. David said account. Andrew said sign out. Why would they want you to leave?

It's like the lock. I don't know. Don't allow them to leave. Lock them in. Once you're signed in, you can't sign out. And then what am I going to say? I can't see. Favor yeah and you're all wrong is it community wait wait can we ask the rabbit yeah i gotta try that okay four there were four tabs remember how last week i was like i don't do trick questions i keep it

straight this was a little bit of a trick question. Didn't you do a trick question last week? No. I need everyone to be quiet so I can talk to my assistant. Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. What were the four original tabs across the top of YouTube.com in 2005? Searching now. The original tabs across the top of YouTube.com in 2005 were

1. Home 2. Browse 3. Videos 4. Account I like how we were all These tabs provided users with easy access to their home page i just want video browsing options video library and account management settings account so rabbit was wrong but it was sort of like 25 wrong the trick

of this your question was the keyword being original youtube YouTube launched in February of 2005 with those four tabs. In fall of 2005, towards the end of the year, they changed the update to something much closer resembling what Marques described. This is also when they changed the slogan

from upload, tag, and share your videos worldwide to broadcast yourself. Wasn't YouTube also originally a dating service yes that's why i launched on valentine's day yeah because you're supposed to upload videos about why you should date me video profile i wait so what's the i in my i was reading a lot about early youtube and i did not find a single source and i also have first month screenshots of youtube that don't say that anywhere so that might be a little bit of an urban legendy type beat i've heard that many times from google oh oh oh that yeah right totally yeah was it what's the answer i don't know no it invite friends. How's that a trick question?

Because when you look at a lot of original YouTube stuff, a lot of people refer to the fall 2005 redesign as the original player because it stuck well in 2006. But I wanted the original 2005. Fake fans. Yeah. I'm asking Gemini. If YouTube is a dating site. If it was a dating site please let me know i will ask youtube was launched on valentine's day 2005 the website was originally

intended to be an online dating site with users uploading videos about themselves and what they were looking for in a partner the slogan was tune in hook up on april 23rd 2005 the first video was a clip of him so that means there were no uploads between february and april i thought the first upload was me at the zoo it was in april four minutes four months after the site came out i would definitely so nobody uploaded any dating videos for four months and then they pivoted that was loud i don't think you could hear that wait so was me at the zoo supposed to be like check out how hot i am at the zoo i think that was supposed to be an example adventurous because that was by one of the founders right but that was supposed to be an example of here is like a video of yourself like on tinder you can have like

pictures of yourself i think this is supposed to be like hi my name is and here i am doing something interesting that's exactly what i'm saying so i just want to say that uh gemini also got it wrong but in a different way it says videos channels subscriptions community it does say what tabs likely were oh likely that's exactly what i asked gemini i asked you for an answer and i wanted you to tell me what it might be probably yeah how old am i you're probably around i don't know 27 29 anywhere from 15 to 64 well these are pretty tough questions but we did our best and i think some points were awarded there's some scoreboard somewhere in the points. We'll let Adam be the final decision on if he actually gives you that point or not. Exactly.

Adam, should I get the point that I answered correctly or not? Hey, Adam, should I get the non-point of not answering Dieter because he's not a tech journalist? Up to you. Maybe the last question. Is Shaq a basketball player? We'll see. Nevertheless. But before you sign out out i should read the score

because adam always does do that and uh yeah i forgot so uh marquez you are right in the middle of the pack in the mix with six david you are also right in the middle of the pack with six andrew screaming ahead of the competition lights lights a blaze, seven points. Wait, really? It's like staring into the eclipse. I thought I was two behind Andrew and he didn't get any points this time. And you got one point this time. No, I got two.

I got Dieter, Rams, and Brown. Oh, you did get two. Thank you, David. I forgot you bought both those questions, meaning... Oh, wrong one. Sorry. Yeah, you almost had eight points there. That was assuming Marquez didn't get the points, or else we would all be tired.

Is that assuming he did or didn't get the point? As of right now, I have Marques not getting the point with six. However, we're sending the review to New York to make the final call. Since Adam is in Brooklyn right now. If you are still watching this episode, thank you, because you should have clicked out of this 25 minutes ago. If you prefer rotisserie chickens in a bag or plastic container.

That's a great idea. But... How about the container? In the meantime, Andrew? Waveform was produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Roven and Mariah Zink today, and we are partnered with vox media podcast network and our interaction music was created by vane sill yeah i'm going to talk about content aware compression schemes for cloud gaming nice yeah i mean you stole my idea but