Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - The Rabbit R1 is Just an App??

Episode Date: May 3, 2024

This week, Marques, Andrew, and David sit down to chat about birds. That's it. That's what the episode is about. But then they remember it's a tech podcast and get to the news of the week ranging from Tesla layoffs to the Rabbit R1 running on Android. We wrap it all up with a roundup of some of the new earbuds that have dropped in the last few weeks before getting into trivia answers. Enjoy! Shop products mentioned: Beats Solo4: https://geni.us/T8sUz Bose Ultra Open Earbuds: https://geni.us/GljQN Nothing Ear: https://geni.us/P3oCv Nothing Ear (a): https://geni.us/JFY3BP Links:  Tesla layoffs: https://bit.ly/3WoZiA3 Meta licensing Horizon OS: https://bit.ly/4boq1kP Rabbit R1 Article: https://bit.ly/3Wos6J0 MKBHD Rabbit R1 Review: https://bit.ly/3WqnOkG Dave2D Rabbit R1 Review: https://bit.ly/4aWZvPu Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Socials: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You live for experience and lead by example. You want the most out of life and realize what you're looking for is already in you. This is for you. The Canadian Armed Forces. A message from the government of canada are we gonna not talk about the youtube thing i think i'll just that's just like a question like last night i was talking to claire and i was like how is shorts still only one minute because i was trying to write my nothing youtube short yeah then it'll be long okay this just proves that this could be a fun conversation,

but I think we just do the headphone roundup this week and then next week we do. David's a little joke right now. Wait, I don't get it. What? Why would YouTube shorts ever be longer? Because they're vertical. Yo, what is up, people of the internet?

Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. And today we've got a mix of stories. It's kind of a, it's one of those weeks where a bunch of little stuff, well, a bunch of medium-sized stuff happened. Medium all over the place stuff.

Yeah, a bunch of very unrelated, the tangents this week are going to be off the chain. A medium rare week. Yeah, from from uh the r1 reviews being out uh sorry i just processed your joke solid um tesla cutting a supercharger team out of nowhere we got some headphones to talk about it's a good time i can't wait to hear the segues this week yeah it's gonna be fun speaking of segues but first what do you remember do you remember that bird app social media we were talking about twitter a while ago the other one the better one bird buddy bird buddy they sent us one and i installed it.

Do you have birds? I got birds, boy. Oh, that one's cool. Do you have a cool variety of birds or something? I've only had... So it's really cool. So these are birds that are in my front yard. You see that beak?

It says the name of the bird. If a new species comes up, like if I go back when these were new, oh, this blue jay is awesome. And you get video of them too, eating the seeds. That new oh this blue jay is awesome and you get video of them too eating the seeds that's just a blue jay's tail feather um yeah it's pretty awesome and it's just like social media with birds yeah and i can share this to everybody i can pick which postcards i want to post but yeah awesome cardinals uh house finch was the craziest one so far yeah those are the only three i've

gotten so far but lots of them and this blue jay picture is awesome that's pretty hard just eating a seed album cover album new waveform thumbnail have you gotten anything that's not a bird yet not yet okay squirrel it was funny it said it would take a couple weeks before they might trust the bird feeder but they were there like day two tell tim to uh put that blue jay in the thumbnail in the thumbnail just just behind one of our heads like it's one of the other hosts no one's gonna know why that would be awesome but yeah this app's pretty awesome the bird feeder is pretty cool it's a little pricey but do you get a notification every time a bird shows up you can change how you want it so mine is if it's like just happening i'll be like quick you can watch this bird live and then at the end of the day

i'll be like you had x amount of birds show up and these many different species and then you can do a recap of all the ones that came how's the solar roof do you have to recharge it i have not had to recharge it yet my only gripe right now is i think i need to move it closer to my house because the wi-fi connection seems like it's going out a little which isn't that's fault and 4k or 1080p footage is locked behind a bird buddy pro account which wait they only give you 4k so 720 i think it's 720 yeah it's pretty solid and i guess you're just looking at birds so maybe i don't need high res you need 1080 you need 1080 4k baby what are you talking how much do you have to how much is it i don't know i don't feel like paying for yeah i wouldn't either that's fair but there's some people out there who might i think i can also send all of you guys links to

like join and watch this bird feeder if you want the fact that you haven't done that already i did and nobody listened in slack you did where are you on vacation i'll send it again but i'm pretty sure i send an invite code to everyone in slack you can only have two people so we'll just have to do so it's going to be the first two we'll have to do like just a bird bird iPad in this office for anyone who wants to watch. Yes, that's a good idea. Big brain. It's like the emulating the palm tree, but putting a bird.

Wait, did it pick me up mowing the lawn the other day? Lowing a mom? I don't think it'll pick grab people. It will grab squirrels though, and then it'll say bird type squirrel. Okay, I can't wait for that to happen. Nice. Yeah, that's the Bird Buddy app. It was fun speaking of birds really quick oh i was doing some research on nikon

because we were talking about them a lot recently turns out they've been kind of blowing up in the last couple of years like their sales have gone way up and remember that thought keep going okay and a big reason is because people are getting really into birding right now yeah because it's awesome i love that for humanity yeah and i was talking to someone and they were like yeah people are probably getting into birding because it's like the last thing that's kind of hard to shoot because birds move really fast and you have to like get the midair and like it's very it's pretty difficult to wildlife photography is fun and super difficult especially like when you're used to taking video and portraits like in a controlled space and then you get zero control

over it you're like it's like sports photography but smaller subjects yeah yeah and in sports photography they're running in a circle over and over again it's in a confined rectangle yeah yeah that's fair yeah with like wildlife you're like can you go a little closer to that tree like my framing is just not like set up here and look at me but don't eat me but yeah right exactly wait what what did i hold the thought about with nikon so you said they've it's been blowing up recently speaking of blowing up i knew where that was nice um tesla laid off they just blew up their entire supercharger team. It's just gone. Yeah. Specifically, it seems like Elon just did it one day. Wait, they shut down the superchargers? No, no.

They laid off the entire supercharger team. Now, for those unfamiliar, Tesla superchargers, pretty important part of Tesla, right? For when we talk about electric cars, almost every time we talk about Tesla's advantage, we talk about the supercharger network, which is if you need to charge this car on a road trip somewhere, the only reliable, consistently reliable way to do that from our own experience for years has been the supercharger network to the point where one by one over the past few months, basically every EV maker that ships cars to America is going to be switching their port or shipping adapters to the NACS port to use Tesla Supercharger

Network because it's such a big selling point here. So all that being said, Tesla very suddenly laying off the entire Supercharger team, which includes all of the perm permitting all of the site maintenance all of the uh future planning and basically just shutting down growth of the supercharger network like nipping it right on on that day over 500 people yeah seems like a pretty bold move yeah um i think everyone sort of assumes that it's for cost cutting and you know tesla stock price is doing one thing and we want their you know profits to do the other thing and so you know there's a lot going on and pretty crazy ruthless business decisions get made by

this guy all the time so yeah the supercharger team is the latest victim completely gone uh i don't know how do we feel like this is? Yeah, it's kind of wild because like you said, everyone is moving to NACS. And that layoff included Rebecca Tanushi, who was the senior director of EV charging and was the person that pretty much like handled all of the deals convincing all of the other companies to switch to NACS. Yeah. So they kind of finished doing that. And then now the entire team is out. And there were a bunch of employees that literally said they were breaking ground on new locations and then they just got the news and all of a sudden they just have to stop yeah so it seems like at some point we're gonna

feel the effects of it and i think it would be well okay so there was an elon tweet about how oh we're stopping growth and we're focusing on just maintenance and uptime yeah sorry i was just gonna say like that my initial thought on this and i don't follow stock prices i don't know anything about business but like when i first saw this it felt like oh we built this crazy supercharging system everybody loves it it's the most reliable everybody's going to it now thanks for building it later like yeah it's going to it now. Thanks for building it later. It's easier to maintain something that you built already instead of building it. But it seems like there's more of it. Well, except for the fact that the amount of cars using it

is about to 5x. Yes. I don't think it's a good decision, but my first thought was it feels like they did it all. And I feel like we see that in tech a lot. It's like, oh oh thanks for building this awesome software something like that interesting good luck building something somewhere else we got what we need now the peace of mind knowing that you're always going to have a supercharger nearby

is so important to like ownership of an ev yeah yeah sorry to interrupt there's a lot of upcoming locations on the map where people are like i can't wait for that one because then i can finally do this route i can finally do this drive. Now it looks like those aren't gonna happen. So yeah, that's a bummer for those. Yeah, he tweeted, "'Tesla still plans to grow the Supercharger network "'just at a slower pace for new locations

"'and more focus on 100% uptime "'and expansion of existing locations.'" So I don't know if that means just adding more stalls to existing locations. The uptime is already pretty dang good like they've had very good uptime historically yeah i could see focusing on uptime like you said if it's going to be so many more people maybe there's higher opportunity of the uptime not being as good yeah and focus on that but even if that is the focus firing 500

people yeah and slowing the growth of the network because no matter how good the network is if we're talking about gas cars the network looks like crap yeah that's the that's the two sides of that yeah it's like when you compare the tesla supercharger network to gas cars it seems like they need to have a lot of growth to do but on the other side when you compare the supercharger network to everyone else no longer needing to build up their network because they all just signed on to do nacs it's like yeah we won no one else is gonna come close to the tesla supercharger network no need to build it up anymore yeah it it feels like when we're talking about like even just tesla or rivian in-vehicle software

you're like this is the best in-vehicle software of any car and you're like how is it to an ipad it's like well it's terrible yeah so like yeah there's still so much room for growth here did you guys read that story a couple weeks ago about the i think it was an f-150 lightning or no it was a rivian owner that charged his car at a supercharger and it was like right after he got his adapter and he had a tesla owner like call the cops on him because he was like it is illegal for you to do this you cannot be doing this and he's like bro no they opened it up and he's like no this is only for tesla users yeah a little culty a little weird okay yeah the problem is the signs still say tesla charging only that's true oh do they yeah i've never noticed all the

signs that supercharger have a big t and it says tesla supercharger yeah supercharging only which they obviously mean just because don't park here and take up a spot right but previously it was only tesla that's very funny yeah i it's also hilarious that person called the cops i know the biggest overreaction ever oh yeah yeah did you also see uh rivian has decided to open up their adventure network to all EVs? All five of them? Yeah, everyone. So, I mean, they don't have a ton of chargers, obviously, but they do plan on switching to

and updating with NECS and allowing everyone to charge on their adventure network as well. Well, maybe half of these engineers will go to Rivian and start expanding the Rivian supercharger. I wonder how much capital and how big of a head start tesla's network has over a realistic competitor to like make it i feel like an insane amount like even if you start building a secondary necs network today i guess you don't have to start you could just be electri america and just start like switching them all to necs and building a ton more could that realistically be the like standard of uptime

someday i don't know no if it's very not despite the head start if there were ever a time to want to try and chip away at that head start it's when they fire 500 people who built that head start yeah so yeah who knows yeah all right i'm working on it hold on too late wait you don't have but you're working on a segue yeah oh but i this is a tough i've got one this is you do you got one i'm willing to hear it speaking of what could be happening on the horizon with things like the tesla supercharger network but also meta meta just started started licensing the horizon os that it uses on its Quest to third parties. Ah.

Yeah. Yeah, they did. I find this really funny because I don't know if you guys remember back when Microsoft was trying to make Windows AR headsets and they open sourced it. So Dell made a headset. It was mixed reality. It was Windows mixed reality. Dell made a headset.

Lenovo made a headset. Asus made a headset. Lenovo made a headset. Asus made a headset. It was like 2016 or 2017 when the Quest was first starting to take off, like Oculus Connect 1 or 2. So Windows was like, we got to get in on this. And they made like Paint 3D and all of these 3D applications.

That sounds awesome. I mean, it was pretty cool 3d yeah so they basically just like wanted you to be able to use windows and mixed reality and so all of these third parties made a bunch of hardware to be able to use with it nobody bought it and then microsoft didn't support it they didn't keep it up like at all they just didn't keep updating it at all they eventually just gave up and this is kind of the play keep it up like at all. They just didn't keep updating it at all. They eventually just gave up. And this is kind of the playbook, it seems like. Very Google of them. Yeah, except like Google at least makes

like the underlying stuff sometimes. Microsoft basically didn't sell HoloLens to regular people. So they didn't have a first party headset. So they just relied on third parties to make the headsets that would work with Windows Mixed Reality. And now Meta decided that it's going to license Horizon OS. So now if you're Lenovo or Dell or Asus, you can just build basically a quest for running your own hardware. Vision Pro.

Yeah. They want to be they want to be android right they're all metas now all about open source and they're all about like i guess we can't build the metaverse by ourselves and all this stuff um they're also making a limited run gaming focused quest with xbox just for xbox that makes a ton of it's they're they're trying to i i see what that's going to be playstation has playstation vr and like yeah it's not the most popular but like xbox is going to want to do that eventually why wouldn't meta be the one that could make money off of them yeah that makes it too much sense right honestly right so they can just license because they've already

built out this os they put so much money into it like you might as well just license it out because again if there's more vr adoption that's just better for meta in like every capacity yeah they want to be the foundation of a lot of this stuff right that checks out yeah um they're also pitching it to other oems as a headset you can carry with you and instantly expand your workspace on the go so basically the vision pro multiple monitor kind of idea yeah i just yeah i don't know i like still understand all of the like bigger workspace thing but i just still see vr as fun immersive games like yeah this weekend uh claire's friends came over and brought their kids and and I pulled out the Quest 2 that we had, and I just watched them have the best time

until literally the battery died. Yeah, it's good for games. Watching people do that is so cool and fun, and experiencing that. Yeah. Watching someone try Beat Saber for the first time. Greatest game ever. Universally one of the most fun things you can do.

Yeah. Also, the Quest 3 just got an update I just found really funny, and now has the ability to view immersive panoramic images. Nice. Because I feel like Zuck is just like, what can the Vision Pro do that we can't do? Lying down mode, let's go.

Panoramic images, let's go. Legs, legs, legs. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Pump the brakes, Marcus. We'll get there. We'll get there. So, anyway, I just found that funny it's just a very specific thing that the Vision Pro

was able to do that the Quest couldn't do and I'm sure that like Zuck is happy about Vision Pro just because like oh yeah that's a good idea let's just add that and they can say we they can now get closer and closer to saying we offer everything Vision Pro offers for $500 right you know

so yep we'll see how that evolves in the future can't be mad at that yeah who's wearing the vr headset and thumbnail for this week i think it's you you brought it up can i just say on vacation i took the meta glasses with me oh and they were sick the meta ray band do you have like a bunch of sick first person absolutely and they're freaking awesome and i am now a believer of the glasses form factor what did you bring the sunglasses or the sunglasses so you only wore them outside or do you wear your sunglasses inside no i wore them outside because i'm not cool enough to wear them inside but i'm imagining the like 7 p.m dinner reservation and like the food comes down it's like hold on honey wait wait put your sunglasses on and just like look stare at the food for a minute no i

think we were talking about it yesterday but there's not a lot of fun things i do inside that i want to record first person things of outside though doing a lot of cool stuff see i want to borrow one because when Lane first wakes up, she is like the smiliest baby ever. But if she sees a phone, she transfixes to it and kind of shuts down. So I want to put them on just when I pick her up in the morning because it's adorable. That's interesting. I wonder how she would react if I had sunglasses on

as I woke her up at 7 o'clock in the morning. Personally, I would be terrified if I woke up at 7 and you were there with sunglasses. Hovering over the crib. Yeah. I fundamentally think that adding new features to existing things that we already use in our everyday life is the best way to get people into new platforms.

So yeah, I've seen a ton of people outside in manhattan with meta quest i've seen meta ray bands i've seen them out in the wild too someone in the building has them yeah i've not seen in the wild yet really yeah not that i've noticed which maybe that's a good thing maybe i have just gonna say that maybe they're recording you and you're just damn yeah they also just uh opened up the multi multimodal feature to everybody late last week. Right, right. So you can go look and tell me. Yeah.

Blah, blah, blah. Yeah. And what is this? You can do everything the rabbit can do. And what is this? When was the Brooklyn Bridge made? What is this business I'm standing in front of? Sir, that's a Wendy's.

That's a water. Well, we should take a quick break. We dragged that one out. We have some quick rabbit final thoughts coming up and some other stuff with YouTube. But first, we should do trivia. We should do that. Trivia. All right.

First question. Do you guys want... I'll give you the option because I have two options here. Okay. Do you guys want a question about birds or a question about Microsoft can you do a question with both no I ordinarily I vote for I'm all for the tech questions but yeah the tiebreaker interesting oh you have one bird one microsoft yeah oh i think we both know what we have a better chance let's go birds let's go all right so we were talking about the bird buddy earlier

so let's talk birds like finches this bird's scientific name is cyano cyano sitta cristada cyano sitta what is Cyanocida Cristata Cyanocida Wait, Cristata? Like frittata? Tostada? The f*** is a Cristata? What is the common name of said bird? I don't know

Ask me the Microsoft question Twitter? Is it Twitter bird? It's the Twitter bird The Twitterverse? Yeah, let's do the Microsoft question. Why not? You want both? I think we've all just realized we should try.

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every shot with orange in it to try to make it look the way it actually does in real life still did it doesn't at all it's really hard it's the brightest orange thing in any room that it's in it like almost is visible in the dark that's how it's like a safety cone orange it's like hard yeah safety it's like a darker orange that is still wildly bright like almost hurt your eyes bright it's impressive i love it it's impressive it's this little ai in a box designed by teenage engineering made by a startup called rabbit and it has a camera it has a speaker it has a jog wheel there's a screen we talked about it a bit last week and we compared it to the humane ai pin talked about what it does and sort of this this uh i was actually pondering last week in real time like the state of reviewing these unfinished gadgets and that did make it to the review so you should watch the review that'll be

the link below the like button so you can check that out um our updates are one there's an ota update for this thing the first one which pretty classic as soon as you're done reviewing literally it always happens i feel like it always happens, and then there's always comments like, they should have just waited for the review. We didn't know about that. Either the review should have waited for the OTA, or the product should have shipped with this giant fix.

This huge fix, yeah. One or the other, maybe. So the fix mostly seems to improve standby battery life. Yes. From your experience, it has it actually worked yeah actually surprisingly they said that there was a core bug that they squashed which i'm not really sure why they didn't do that before they shipped the device didn't they claim it's like 5x better yes which is kind of true because that's yeah because previously it's like if i didn't charge it the next day it would

be dead even if i didn't use it once 100 um now yesterday at around 4 p.m i unplugged it at around 97 and i haven't used it once today but it's still at 72 that's actually that's way better than it used to be yeah at least it's not dead every time you pick it up now. We were having this conversation yesterday when the news came out about the 5X battery life update, and David and I were saying, like, that is such a wild number that either there's no way it does that good, or what did you mess up in the first place that you can 5X something? Yeah, yeah.

You don't usually see software updates doing 5x improvement of anything no like i 10 20 percent or something not 500 percent yeah wow yeah so scroll wheel still sucks well the other thing that they actually changed the scroll wheel acceleration yeah because a lot of people were talking about it so now it it moves a lot faster it still doesn't look it's still not quite there but last time it was like a full thing would move like one and a one line yeah now it moves now it moves like three the acceleration feels a lot better it could still be even more fine-tuned but it's a lot better i still think you need a way to get home without

scrolling all the way to the top and clicking home. Like a gesture. Yeah. Almost like a swipe. Man, if only screens could be touched. If only there was room. Yeah. So Dave2D, he also did a review of the rabbit, and he had this section in his video. I texted him after because I literally,

we almost did this in a Humane video. In this rabbit review, maybe we'll just play the clip. So if I had to redesign this thing, this is what I would do. First, I'd get rid of the scroll wheel completely. It's cute, but it's just not useful enough to me. And then now, probably just move the camera on top of the bezel. There's a little bit of room there. And then maybe add some hardware volume buttons.

It is a speech-based device. And you might as well extend the screen because, you know, you got a little bit of room down there. And oh, look, it's a phone. Like the thing you already have in your pocket i literally had the exact same thing i removed it from the video but it was a section of the humane ai pin review which is okay how would i improve this thing that they made okay number one the battery life sucks so maybe just a way bigger battery the camera's bad

so give it bigger cameras uh the projector sucks so probably give it a screen instead and then like three or four steps later it's like oh i just made a phone i just invented the smartphone yeah so that that is still so very true about the big question these things have to answer which is why would i want one when i have a phone already yeah and they kind of don't really answer that for most people which is still true but at least the battery doesn't die overnight right anymore which is good i think it makes more sense on the rabbit one because the humane pin at least is like connected to you on the outside and different when this you still have to pull it out of your pocket so why is this not just an app well we'll get there but i just want to read the release notes for the update real quick so idle battery performance uh improved by up to 5x added time zone selection

for r1 settings huge to correct yeah how is that not i can't believe it ships without time zone selection yeah and also now is on pacific time that's why yeah all of that in real life yeah that's on the wrong pacific time because i asked it what time it was and it told me three hours before actual pacific time like when i reviewed it in the video you can see mine says it's 7 a.m but it's clearly noon in the studio and off camera we asked what time is it and it said it's 4 a.m on the west coast which means it's 7 a.m where you are both so it's just like yeah both of those things are wrong, but at least you gave me some math to explain why you're thinking what you are.

So yeah. Show your work. So it says there's now a time zone selection, and it should auto-select based on GPS location. So it has your GPS location. Well, it says made more aware of when to use GPS to query your location and understands how to leverage that information. Which is a response to your tweet. Basically. Yeah, it should hopefully stop saying, I do not have access to your location and understands how to leverage that information. Which is a response to your tweet.

Yeah, it should hopefully stop saying, I do not have access to your location. Right. So the confusing thing about that, just to clarify, is when that made it seem like it doesn't use GPS, but it does want to use it, right? But for some reason, the language model just was telling you it didn't. So that's what made it all seem really weird. Because a large language model is a prediction machine. The large language model, when you query it, is like, no, I'm not.

Because the language model is not using GPS. But because this has cellular, it knows your location. The physical hardware does know your location. And so the language model was like, no, I don't. Because technically, the language model doesn't. But the hardware does. My fist didn't punch you. My brain punched me.

This was just an example. But because it said it out loud like that, it made it sound like it was sneakily keeping track of you. Yeah, people have posted a lot of clips about this. Like Meta does the exact same thing with the Ray-Bans. People post clips about it, do the exact same thing. Anyway, that was an update. update uh improved detection of server connections which is good because a lot of the times you'll just like unlock it and it'll be like connecting the server failed to connect to rabbit os and it's like cool i just can't use the device until i lock it and unlock

it for just using offline mode yeah oh wait it does nothing um improved music playback ui so yeah that's thank god that's nice it's actually really i will say the couple of apps that it does have the music playback really annoying it's bad i could not get the uber app to work i connected my account it was logged in it was attached i said call me an uber to this place it said where would you like to call it from give me the location and then i did and it said okay calling an uber where would you like to call it from give me your location i said from here and it said okay where would you like to call it so i just can't get that to work and just um i'm happy that there are some improvements i think i'll eat it now did you see quinn's tweet about ordering DoorDash? Yeah. He didn't ask him what he wanted and then sent it home when he was at work.

Yeah. And he didn't get to confirm any of those things. Automatically selected the highest tip. Yeah. Okay. Improved reliability for Bluetooth connectivity, which I'm not sure anyone is using Bluetooth on it right now, because later down the line, if you use this as your main device, you'd want to be able to use Bluetooth on it.

But right now, literally nobody can use it as their main device. So that's, you know, improve stability on meeting assistant slash recorder for longer durations. Sure. Improve the accuracy regarding time related information during conversation. Nice. It doesn't do timers yeah so i didn't know that i thought it did no you know what the best part of it is when you ask it uh to set a timer instead of being like just saying i can't set a timer it's like i

don't have the ability to set a timer if you would like to track the time you should stare at a clock hold it's a dad it's a if you would like to track the time you can manually track the time by looking at a clock i maybe i'm just hallucinating this like the rabbit would do but i swore they took a shot at humane for timers and like reminders um i don't know okay i could be totally wrong on that but i just assumed this had timers. It is wild that two over $100 devices came out in the last month that can't set a timer. Well, the iPad doesn't have a calculator,

so pick your point. Listen, and we make fun of that just as much as it deserves to be made fun of. Yeah, fair. For a while, the HomePod could only set one timer at a time. Remember that? That's hilarious.

And it was a huge update when they added a while was like a decade was that that we live in an age of wonders i think so yeah we truly live it's so funny because on my like uh home my nest home i'll have a timer and i'll be like oh this probably needs to be in the oven a little longer and you can just go like add 10 minutes to that timer and you can watch it just immediately do it and it's like that's kind of nice and there are somehow things in 2023 that can't yeah even get close to doing society if instagram had an ipad app we could set multiple timers yeah yeah yeah that's something i would like my personal assistant to be able to do could you imagine hiring a personal assistant and being like remind me in five minutes and it's like i can't do that i can't do it man that's something

that's not my wheelhouse like you might have to use your phone what are you even for yeah okay so um that's all fun still still for sale why can't you just like download an app a timer app so interesting so yesterday Mashal Rahman who you guys might know he used to work with XDA developers he's now freelance but mostly doing stuff with Android Authority

we interviewed him for the Cyanimogen mod episode sorry I didn't mean to finish our sandwiches there it is anyway i'm sorry alice he texted me yesterday and he said dude you're not gonna believe this and he sent me a screenshot and it was the r1 logo on a pixel uh 6a and effectively the whole rabbit os r1 thing can run on an android phone because it's basically like the the thing that you interact with on the device is basically just an android app but it's the only thing you interact with

so the apk that he was able to sideload onto his pickle 6a went through the whole setup process just like he would on the rabbit r1 he was able to it said like thanks for inserting your t-mobile sim card now you can do this blah blah all this stuff and he was able to query it ask it questions send it on when he went on to rabbit hole it said you've got a rabbit r1 i think he set it up through the the launcher yeah like he set up his rabbit hole account on the pixel 6a yeah oh wow yeah so it's just very funny because this technically is just a phone because everyone says why shouldn't this be an app why isn't this just an app and the irony of this whole thing is it is it is it is an app that's crazy yeah and it's like but they they

want us to know they want them being rabbit the lamb is not yeah of course cloud-based and it's which no one was ever i'll just read the do you want me to just read there the official statement is we are aware there are some unofficial Rabbit OS app website emulators out there. We understand the passion that people have to get a taste of our AI and LAM instead of waiting for the R1 to arrive. That being said, to clear any misunderstanding

and set the record straight, Rabbit OS and LAM run on the cloud with a very bespoke AOSP and lower-level firmware modifications. Therefore, a local bootleg APK without the proper OS and cloud endpoints won't be able to access our service. Rabbit OS is customized for R1 and we do not support third party clients. Using a bootlegged APK or web client carries

significant risks. Malicious actors are known to publish bootlegged apps that steal your data. For this reason, we recommend users avoid using these bootleg Rabbit OS apps. Yeah, I don't really know what he means by bootleg um you know someone michelle was guessing that someone extracted the apk from their r1 and then distributed it okay and like they were able to run android apps on the r1 oh really yeah they ran a bunch of different android apps on the r1 which means whatever the OS the R1 is using locally is AOSP-based, which is fine. They didn't actually lie about anything, right?

Nobody's trying to, like, gotcha Rabbit right now. I think just the funny kind of ironic thing about all of this is that everyone just keeps saying why isn't this an app, and it, like, is. Like, the L saying why is in this nap and it like is like the lamb is running in the cloud rabbit os is running in the cloud all this stuff but there is an aosp like build on the device that is running all that stuff and because you could port that to an android phone because it's android it could just be an app. So the big question is just like, why hardware? Yeah.

Period. Question mark. Feels very much a business decision. Yeah, for sure. Over anything other practical other than that. Right. I mean, I think that the pros here are if it was an app, you have everything that it can do in this lamb in the future that does sound really cool.

We all agreed large action model sounds really cool cool except imagine it with way better computer power computing power better interactions better camera pretty much better everything better screen better battery life better yeah but then when you're a rabbit the better part of it it is selling an app and marketing an app is so much harder than a bright, shiny, teenage engineered orange box. This developed an insane amount of hype. You can tell that because every time we've talked about it on the podcast, it gets like more views than anything else.

Yeah, so we'll talk about it next week also. Obviously. So yeah, it's like, you know, nobody's trying to gotcha them. It's not like they lied about anything. It's just kind of adds to all of the irony about how it definitely could be an app. Yeah, the interesting thing to me, too, is like if you take this statement and you assume it's true, right? Let's say that this is a bootlegged app, which I'm assuming what he means by that is that someone saw the popularity of Rabbit.

They made some random APK app that simulates what it's like to be on rabbit os let's say that's true okay but then the device itself still runs aosp does it not yeah like that's what everyone is assuming the device itself runs aosp that's what everyone is saying but they seem to have a problem with us pointing it out i don't know i don't know why they're so defensive i think they're worried yeah. That's the part that confuses me. Sorry, Kaiyo. No, yeah, but give me your thoughts. I think that they are worried that people will think that nothing is running in the cloud and everything is local and that you could just run everything on the phone,

which is clearly not true. That's not how Google does it either. Gemini Ultra runs in the cloud on all these servers. Siri runs in the cloud when you query it. It's like, it's not like it's just going to be all local. But I think that they're worried that people think it is because if it all was, then yeah, you could just put it on a phone. I saw a comment, which was just obviously not great comment, but it was saying like,

I don't get Mark. Marquez really thinks these large action models could run on a phone it's like no he just thinks that the way it's running on the rabbit would run better on a phone because the rabbit is less powerful and all the cloud-based stuff is still going to work better yeah as an app it makes no it doesn't make as much sense because it is an app because it's an app like yeah giving this thing better hardware would not make it worse it'd be crazy if it did let's be real if it did that'd be a sweet spicy take i know so i don't know i just think it's funny i'd buy a phone and that orange immediately i did i don't even know what it would be there was a lot of comments like that on the review that orange like yo that color though that that design which is the entire reason i got press i feel like that color needs to be the color

of the like hats or scarves that celebrities wear when they don't want the paparazzi to take photos of them there's a lot it straight up like broke quinn's quinn took a photo of it next to the humane pin and it was like artifacted because his computer or his um phones like camera just could not compute correctly what exposure it needed yeah the difference between like the side of it and the top of it or whatever as it reflects light both overwhelm the sensor so it just looks like it's a flat oversaturated orange stripe on your screen it's crazy it is impossible to get this on camera yeah the eclipse isn't gonna break your your sensor. The rabbit on one is. Anyway.

I still want one. I still kind of want one. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. Well, here's the thing. I want it, and then I think about what will I do with this, and I go nothing. But it will look so cool on my desk. Oh, my goodness.

I'm glad at least it doesn't die immediately. Here's a question. You want one. What were you going to do with it? Because imagine it's an app. Like, how often would you open that app on your phone? Well, that's what I'm saying. Because it's not an app, I'm interested in it.

Okay, so they got you? I see their point. Like, they got me. Because if it was an app, it doesn't work. What do you mean? I wouldn't really use it as an app. Like, the actual functionality? Yeah, the functionality is very... Oh, you mean because it lies to you current how it is

right now well and even just like the current large action models are only four apps and it's not great like yeah i still think there's a huge future in that and how it's working that's that's not what the consumer is getting yeah right yeah like eventually some point down the line if that thing works i would take it alongside my phone. Not instead of a phone, but I 100% would take that alongside a phone. Instead of just a nap. And pocket two things like this. Because like, think about this.

What if the rabbit could just be your assistant on your phone? It could, but you have a camera on your phone. But you still carry around a camera. I do. Yeah, that's what I mean. Exceedingly rare, by the way. Yeah, that's what I mean. Exceedingly rare, by the way. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But it's that kind of device to me.

Like I feel like having that separated out of my phone, I would enjoy that. Yeah. I could see this being like a launcher, an Android launcher. Cause there's like, what I was thinking is this is kind of like a dumb phone, you know? There's like the whole dumb phone trend that's going on right now.

It's like, you can't use social media and you can't do this and you can't do that. It's not even a trend. Just people are talking about it as if it is a trend. It's like the I mean, like I see what you mean. It could be similar to like the palm phone where it was the idea of the secondary. You keep your phone in your bag and then you have this like less intrusive like you're going on a hike. I totally get that.

I think the thing that keeps striking me about like why this thing is useful is it's because it's an assistant and it has to be useful to you. And to be useful to you, you need it to know all this stuff about you, but because it's separate from your phone and doesn't connect to your phone at all,

it doesn't know any of the things about you. And so you have to you have to really dedicate yourself to like shoveling information into it to get anything out of it or they can just allow google to input all my information and there it is if they partner with google the more i think about this and how we said before like imagine if you actually hired an assistant and they couldn't do a timer that's what I just now I'm going to think about every time they're like, oh, this can't do it or it's messing that up. I'd be like, if I hired an assistant and said, hey, can you Uber Eats me something?

It's like, I can only do DoorDash. And also I can't really read the menu. And I'm not sure where you're located for me to do this right now. I would fire them. I would not. Yeah, that's how I'm literally thinking about this. And by the way, it does have some cool features that are like superhuman features.

Like I pointed at my screen and it reads the whole page instantly and gives me a summary. I was gonna say assistants can read usually. Right, but like this will be faster than a human. So I'll point at it like a page long article. I don't think I can scroll yet because I don't think it reads on video,

but I'll point it at like a full page thing. And I'll say, give me a summary of that. It'll give me two, three sentences like right away. Like that's, that's super useful. Like if a person could do that,

cause it's got a brain and it's got an eye and it like looks at the thing and reads it for you. That's cool. So that, that glimpse of like what it could be is fun, but yeah, it just needs so much more like information about the person and that information is on your phone. Yeah. So that's, that's what gets me really curious about what we're going to see

in the next couple weeks because we have google io coming up we have we're starting to see some rumors about safari and siri and ai starting to like melt together a little bit in possibly uh wwdc announcements so i'm obviously curious about what Siri could look like if it was good and what Google Assistant could possibly start to do if they see what these AI assistant in a box

things are good at. You're serious listening to you right now. I said Siri and I said, sorry for saying Siri so often. Siri, Siri, Siri. So sorry about that.

But yeah, I'm curious what we're going to see from these companies in the next few weeks. Cause they clearly have seen these announcements and they're clearly going to start to make some stuff. Yeah. Hopefully.

Yeah. Yeah. We'll see if Google does. I mean, I think we're all expecting Google to, but it's also triggered. There you go. Google, Google, Google, Google, Google, Google. You triggered mine. Yeah.

It's Google. So I can't promise that they will actually integrate this even though this is their time they should be they should be doing everything that this does but just in google assistant right now but it's also google google should just buy it it's also true about it's also true about that's a hot take about apple because okay spoiler alert we had a conversation with Jesse, the co-founder of Rabbit, like before we got to use the product, right? And I asked him all these questions. Why is it not an app?

What do you guys think of your head start over these other big players? And one of the things he talked about was, we believe we're going to have this head start essentially forever because it's like we've put in the work and we have this lam and that iteration will always be one step ahead of whatever google or apple decides to start making today and i i get the philosophy it's like gpt4 will always be ahead of whoever started after gpt but that's not true. It's not necessarily always true. Think about the Vision Pro. What about Vision Pro?

Like, it's a first-generation headset from Apple. Right, but it's later than... And it's got way more features than, like, a lot of the other headsets. Yeah, I guess, like, training-wise, if you think of their models as iterating on top of each other, they think that their lead is safe in that department. I don't know.

It's still hard to justify. I doubt it. That sentence is exactly what I would say if I wanted someone to pay me for the work that I've done and just license this out and get bought out by someone. But on the other hand, when was the last time Apple did anything about Siri? 2014.

I kind of get it from that perspective. ever do a bit of like what would come first like updated better siri or the calculator app because if we do now we're finding out yeah this might be a huge year they both both come out this year yeah yeah this could be the biggest the only way they can one up the vision pro dub dub is calculator app we could be the biggest dub dub of all time. The biggest dub dub of all time. The only way they can one up the Vision Pro dub dub is calculator app. We could be here all day. Yeah, I don't know. I'd say go watch the review. I stand by all my thoughts on the device itself, which mostly are about the fact that the promise of what it could be in three years of updates is something beautiful and crazy and super helpful and wild.

And if they are able to get there, awesome. But buying it today is just taking like a lottery ticket towards maybe that future. And so it is what it is today. It's gotten one software update that doesn't kill the battery anymore in a single day. Great. They got a long way to go. At that pace. Yeah.

One down, many to go go i would put it that way uh okay we got to take a quick break but we got one more little roundup of stuff we got to talk about after so we'll get there right after trivia before we get into trivia today i just want to put out a call because I really wanted to do a trivia question today that I couldn't find all the info to. I wanted to do a real or fake. These devices actually run Android under the hood. I found a few good ones, but not enough to really make the question. I would just assume yes.

I'm so interested. I would just assume yes. I'm so interested. If you are a developer, if you're an engineer, and you know of a wacky-ass device that runs Android under the hood, tweet at me, at Ellis Roven. I'll re-download Twitter just to get these submissions, and maybe next week we'll do a fun rabbit-inspired question.

But right now, this week, the best device ever made. This week, the three of you challenged the two of us to bring you a question that involved both Microsoft and birds. Oh, wow. That was fast. And I came through. Of course. I have it here. During the lead up to the release of the Windows Phone 7, Microsoft landed in hot water for including a bird themed app in their advertising that, according to the developer, had not been ported to Windows Phone 7. What app was it?

There's no way that 2010 Windows Phone 7 marketing materials featuring this app did not launch with the phone. But it was marketed to launch with the phone. Yeah, like in Windows Phone 7 ad, there'd be icons for all the apps, and this popular app was there. I'm thinking about it. And this is still on the podcast. So we'll be right back.

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So I had a question here, which proved that we have a lot of opinions on it because we just argued about it off the air for a couple minutes, but we brought it back. I was just like writing a short recently for the studio channel and I wanted like 30 more seconds because it's so hard to put your thoughts into one minute especially when you know people are going to be like well you didn't even talk about this you

didn't do that but but sometimes we don't have enough for a full video so we do a short of it and TikTok because it started as a short form content started adding longer and longer TikToks and like vertical endlessly scrolling content is what I'm talking about. Do you ever see YouTube as having the shorts videos be longer than one minute? What would you like to see it as? What would be the cutoff you would be okay with? YouTube should never change it. Should never change it past a minute.

Leave it a minute. YouTube longs. Yeah, come on. That's Marques' joke. Because they've got longs already. Okay. They've got longs. Okay.

Let me just ask you something real quick. Sure. When you're scrolling on TikTok, five Marques' joke. Because they've got longs already. They've got longs. Let me just ask you something real quick. When you're scrolling on TikTok, 5 second video, scroll. 10 second video, scroll. When you get to a 2 minute TikTok, what do you do? I watch 2 minutes. Do you want to see my likes right now? I'll go in.

You watch the whole thing. I bet you I have a liked one in here. I would argue that most people when they encounter a several minute long You watch the whole thing. The whole thing. You watch the whole two minutes. I bet you I have a liked one in here. All right. Well, I would argue that most people, when they encounter a several-minute-long video on their TikTok feed, just leave. And I think probably most people's behavior would reflect that, right? I've never seen a TikTok longer than 90 seconds

that wasn't about conspiracy. 90 seconds? If I see that thing at the bottom i'm like what does that say about my 33 minute video this is that's a youtube video yeah we're talking about this is a video of a british grandpa eating american sausage and gravy for the or biscuits and gravy for the first time more than a minute yep and it's great it's adorable i watched the whole thing of course i did cry no but he's very excited like a story arc yeah it's him getting explained what biscuits and gravy is and then she explains that well it's really just a scone because they can't really buy

this american biscuits there some algorithm there's character development in your tiktok that's crazy i would say most people's like nighttime strolling before their eyes fall out of their head before they go to sleep is like just just 30 seconds 30 seconds 30 seconds and it's like super quick so that's why i wanted to pitch the like where would we draw the line on youtube yes i think the line is perfectly set 60 seconds or under gets in the shorts feed so that people who are scrolling the shorts feed just get short videos and if you want to upload a two minute video or a five minute video you can it's just a youtube video i don't want i don't want to like just go into the conversation with marquez i feel like i'm heated here my take is that we should um eliminate short form video. Meaning you can't upload anything under a certain length.

Now that is a service I would watch. Wait, we have to start this. 45 minutes. It's called TikTok, TikTok, TikTok. That's the name of the platform. TikTok on the clock, baby. Are you guys just talking about Quibi? No, because Quibi you could do

it could be sure if i mean no i think quibi was okay but those were like pretty that wasn't like user-generated content i want user-generated content where the limit is five minutes like when you hit the record button it's it does not stop recording for five minutes we could be done talking it's gonna keep recording the videos that you upload have to be at least five minutes right or it just doesn't so if you stop talking after four minutes it just keeps recording and you you just need 30 more seconds before you can upload this you have to pad it you have to keep talking yeah so my question though yeah you have both made shorts before whether it's for the studio channel or the main channel unfortunately yes and i know you write for them how many times have you

been like there's like three more sentences that feel yeah all the time every time beneficial it's like old tweets i actually yeah how do you feel how do you feel when a too long tweet hits your timeline change the verb it oh that's right i think you hate it i don't love it see more button i'm scrolling down right i guess I'm bailing. So you can still upload longer tweets, but it's like, that's not fair. I saw someone who had italicized part of their tweet the other day and I was like, I'm getting off the zap. I think we were bringing that up and I was like, if you're formatting a tweet, I'm not reading it. I don't know.

You're too much into this. What's that meme where it's like, I'm not reading all that don't know i don't you're too much into this what's that meme where it's like i'm not reading all that bro i'm sorry congratulations congrats though or sorry that happened yeah 90 seconds i want 90 seconds you want 90 seconds i want that actually is a good idea i want 90 seconds i don't want to add a lot to it i think i think would you ever upload a two minute youtube video along uh today no highly unlikely but there have been shorts where you're like i wish there's two more two more sentences i got in here that feel important so i agree with all of your logic i just think that it's a slippery slope because i don't disagree with you hit 90 seconds you're gonna be like if i had 10 more because that's what tiktok did they were originally

like 30 a minute three minutes yeah 10 minutes 10 could you an hour could you argue the youtube slope isn't as slippery though because they already have the long version so like it just it kind of gets just blurry i just think you need to define it you just defined it so clearly it's vertical 60 seconds or less boom you know if it's vertical 60 seconds or less it's a short and when you get in that shorts feed that's all you're gonna see i think 90 seconds wouldn't interrupt the feed there's ellis is giving me a thumbs up off camera i don't know if anyone can see that that i agree with that i want 90 seconds i think 90 seconds is a good so let me hear this yeah yeah you get to the you say all right neil goes i think andrew's onto something here all right neil degrasse tyson neil mohan ceo of youtube he watches his podcast he's like all

right i think that's a good idea 90 seconds is still cool for the short feed so now he does it so now the shorts feed is anything up to 90 seconds is viable for the short feed so now he does it so now the shorts feed is anything up to 90 seconds is viable for the shorts feed and everything over again must be a regular youtube video what is stopping another person from saying neil is because he listens to the podcast and he did 90 seconds and that's just totally viable look at tiktok people watch two minute tiktoks all the time i just need 30 more seconds you know I brought this up because I wanted you guys to help me with my explanation that I don't have I hate that I agree with both

of you I agree with Andrew because I every time I make a short I'm like I literally only need three more seconds but I do think it's sort of like that the work expands to the time allotted thing it's the same thing as soon as something gets

normalized they're like if i just had a little more it will always be that way i agree i agree 140 characters i bet if you look at your average character length per tweet the second that limit went to 280 your average went over 140 yeah yeah yeah and i bet the second it goes up again we all just keep going if the see more button went down to 500 we probably start having some 200 people ain't tweeting eating breakfast anymore okay they're they're they're like writing and now that's what that's the future elon wants this is the future elon he wants people to blog on twitter which i don't want to see i will say tesla does their uh they're their like updates for software updates.

They'll do like a whole post on Twitter. And it's literally like text inline images, like formatted text and everything. It's like a whole blog post. And it looks great. It's like a great use of like all of the tools you have available on Twitter. And of course, it's Tesla doing it because obviously they're connected. But then you give that to all the people. Yeah, I see those posts.

And I'm like, wow, that's great great and then i see all the other versions of people doing way too long tweets and i'm like oh this is bad yeah there's too many of these maybe only verified businesses can do it and then nobody else oh you're saying you should give people like real reasons to be verified if you have the gold if you have the gold badge you can do that and if you don't you can't dang elitist i don't mind that i'm okay with that yeah i'm just i feel like i'm writing the short script like a caveman to try and get everything i want to say oh yeah it sucks it sucks this is why it should be banned in america that's why we're banned from TikTok. Because short form content

sucks. Instagram Reels is also 60 or less, right? Yeah. Is it? Actually, it might be longer. I think Reels is 60 or less. Can I? I'm still confused about the pause button. A Reels can be up to 90. You can tap. 90? Instagram. I'll always look

Instagram, I've never found any issues with you, especially the iPad app but other it's true it is you do everything right I feel like it's gotta be one or the other dude I scroll reels a lot

I would say videos on Instagram are confusing though because there's reels there are longer videos the player is inconsistent the aspect ratios

are inconsistent they used to have Instagram TV and they got rid of that there's music with photos now you can just scroll through pictures with music TikTok does that does i hate no tiktok does that also i know but like really annoying as a person who just wants to watch videos like all of those different formats how place is confusing it is confusing it's kind of sidetracked how often do you guys use reels

versus tiktok i actually i'm an old man i'm way in Reels. I like Reels a lot because I can send it to my friends so much easier than having to. Like TikTok, I watch and I like and I just show Claire. Yeah. Reels, I just send to Ellis and Tim every time. I think that's the Instagram advantage is like we have the social graph. So people are going to make stuff to share and they're going to want to put it here because that's where their friends are. And so exactly what you're talking about is true. Like if you're going to share stuff, you're going to share it through the built-in tools.

So I watch Instagram Reels more often because I share them more often there. Does TikTok have send to friends sharing tools? I mean, you can send a link to a TikTok, obviously. You can also send it to their TikTok account if they have one. You're less likely to find their TikTok account. I'm not like friends with any of my friends on TikTok. So I'm friends with my friends on Instagram instagram so i send them yeah can you be friends with people on tiktok i believe just follow people we sound so old right you can't there's

friends on there's friends on tiktok yeah i'm friends with you both wait follow me or friends with me i'm pretty sure i think it's the same thing i think it's the same it's the same thing so i would have to follow us we're friends. Instagram Reels algorithm is getting fantastic. It served me a video with like eight plays that was just disc golf with Creed music. And I was like, holy, that's impressive. That is you, spot on. All right.

This is what, okay. You asked if I use TikTok or Reels more. Don't have TikTok. On Reels, I go on instagram to look at an image that hopefully doesn't have music playing at the same time and then i black out and then i look to the right and it's dark outside and i think what just happened and then i realized i've just watched like an hour of reels and i'm like i gained nothing from that yeah please that's all of the shorts call your congressperson don't just ban tiktok let's not stop there ban every short form video

content on the internet we need to buy tiktok and make it a long form app do we have 12 billion dollars you didn't do 10 minutes on it already no no minimum 30 you need to follow more wholesome educational shorts creators that's what you need do they have to be educational yes you need to follow more wholesome, educational shorts creators. That's what you need. Do they have to be educational? Nah, Mark has f***ed up. You need to get rid of your phone and hotspot to an e-reader all day like I do. The only way to stay off social media. I don't know how I'd follow Luke Foods otherwise. He's not a long-form kind of guy.

Don't need to. Did you see he threw out a pitch for the White Sox? No. Make him big moves. I'm doing the e-reader thing. I't seen anything we're super speaking of music did you see did you hear how is the buzzer not you know you know you know what function i still can do on my e-reader hotspotted to my phone that I use as a phone? What's that? Listen to music with Bluetooth headphones.

Oh, that's crazy. On Spotify. Wait, hold on. The Bluetooth headphones connect to your e-reader that's hotspotted to your phone? Yes. So is it pulling the music from the cloud from your phone? No, it's pulling it from Spotify. But through the data from your phone. But through the data from your phone. Yeah's pulling it from spotify but through the data through

the data from your phone yeah that's correct cool bingo simple as that it's the easiest one two we have a quick roundup of headphones that's that's what we're trying to get to sorry for the segues being horrible okay let's start with the nothing ear a okay nothing ear a are out there's some new branding some new colors and the Nothing Ear has gotten refreshed. New prices. Ear A is 99 bucks. That's this one, the yellow one. And this one.

And then Nothing, oh, these are both the Ear A. Correct. And so you have the Nothing Ear. There's the big one. And those are $149. Yeah. Quick summary, quick thoughts. I have only listened to the Ear A, and I was brief,

but they sounded fine. I like them. Yeah. I like these better. I use the Ear 1 and the Ear 2. I like these better because this is a more pocketable size yeah wait did you notice this the white ear a they put white on the stock of them and it looks so much better than oh yeah they'll feel black on the stock which the yellow one should be yellow on the stock because now this proves that they can do it so the yellow once it's in your ear you can't see

any yellow and this is a cool yellow yeah i like the iris a lot honestly i probably would recommend them over the extra 50 bucks for that um i have this weird charging which i don't care as much the battery life's really good on these i've had really good battery life on them i think i have this weird relationship with the nothing earbuds where i love them and don't really like them at the same time so what do you love and what do you not like about them? I mean, my two favorite things, and one of this is super situational, is they fit perfectly in my ears, which I think is the most important thing with any earbuds, which sometimes makes it really hard to shop for earbuds. They also have touch controls where you cannot accidentally press them when you're

readjusting in your ears at all. So the touch controls are all in the stock, just like the old nothing buds, like they've always been. The downside of the touch control is to turn it into transparency mode. It still goes, and that is the worst noise in the world. Yeah, it does that weird sound. But I really hate when you're trying to tap your earbud back in because it feels like it's loose, and then you pause a song or play a song or skip a song.

So I like that a lot lot i think they sound good i'm sure they don't sound anywhere near as more expensive earbuds um the battery life is great i like this new case it's smaller the case is shaped like a pillbox just so you know it's funny that's what the design inspiration was is what they oh yeah and the footprint overall doesn't look that much different than the other case but it's one of those things where the shape of it is way better. It's actually not. It's wider, but it fits in your pocket way better. Kind of like how AirPods fit really nice in your pocket.

Yeah. What I don't like about them, when A and C is working, it is fantastic. I have been mowing the lawn, and've been like for like 10 minutes and then be like did i turn the blades on i can't hear any like i can't hear it holy cow did i remember to turn the blades on am i even cutting grass right now wow and then i like hit a stick or something loud outside happens and it feels like it just resets all the noise canceling and then i can hear everything oh it's and if it's a really, really high-pitched, I don't know exactly what it is, but when I'm weed whacking,

if the strings hit the fence, it does this like peaking, like screeching noise like in your ear, like it's trying to counteract. I don't know exactly. I used to have those with the Oppo buds that I used to use, the OnePlus buds. They would like slightly slip out of my ear when i was running because they would get sweaty and when i push them back in my ear there'd be a screeching sound that would happen it's it's really strange and i mean there's there's no way that oneplus and nothing

use the same chip suppliers right maybe like you know use the same qualcomm earbud chips probably everyone uses noise canceling no there's no way there's no reason to ever apple have the same stuff um yeah the transparency mode's not that good in fact sometimes it's really hard to tell whether transparency mode's on or noise canceling because when it noise canceling is not working well just kind of sounds like you can hear everything interesting the only time i can kind of tell the transparency mode is if I'm moving enough where there's some wind getting in there, it's just super loud wind and annoying and feels like I don't have a good seal.

But yeah, so that's why I really like these. And knowing that the noise canceling can be that good, but that it never actually stays that good is really frustrating. Yeah. They look so nice, though. I'm a big is really frustrating yeah they look so nice though i'm a big sucker for how good they look i like the yellow that's nice so those are replacing the nothing ear stick are they replacing the ear stick the ear stick are gone now okay because i i said that on twitter and someone said they weren't and then i said oh i missed that and

then they were like well there's hints that it's not going away so they told me it's replacing the ears they told you it's replacing told ear stick. They told you it's replacing the ear stick? They told me in person that it's replacing the ear stick. Okay. I didn't like the ear stick, but I know there are people who don't like the silicone tips. They said when the ear stick stock runs out, which it looks like on their website, they are no longer...

Their website says out of stock. Yeah, they're no longer selling them. So, yeah. Nothing tells us if we're wrong. And then we had before the ear two, which are now just called the Ear. So I guess they're just kind of doing the like, it's the new one. Bad name. Kind of vibe, you know?

New ear, new me. New ear, new me. So technically it's the Ear 3, sort of. Kind of. Yeah, they didn't change a lot. They said the sound signature is better and they changed the... The what? The sound signature.

I don't know. What the hell does that mean? I don't know, Ellis. I'm not an audio guy not an audio you should know audio boy it's how they sign things anyway uh they have ceramic drivers that used to be made of like plastic material i guess or something else um they said that that should increase the sound quality by a decent amount. And then they also have a bunch of controls in the phone where you can tune it a little bit more. And you can only do that with the ear and not the ear. Yeah, there's very basic controls in the A, and I think it's way more in the regulars. And then they have LHDC 5.0 support, whereas the ear A do not.

But, yeah. i don't know i for me like the wireless charging is pretty important because i have a lot of wireless chargers sitting around and i'd like that i can just when i get home just plop my earbuds on wireless chargers and i literally never think about charging them that's a big thing for me because like plugging things in manually is frustrating to do every single day i sound like a i'm really lazy but it's just i'm with you on that with my phone i guess i just i'm not like a power user earbud user so that doesn't make a huge deal i would say these have better low end and the bass and like kind of fullness is a little bit better but i still like how those sound like the sounds every day yeah i would i think look better. I think the case is cooler.

I think almost everything about them is better, but the sound quality is not quite as good and they don't have, um, wireless charging. So my thing with earbuds like this is that I'm never using them for sound quality. So it's like, yeah,

I just want the better case. I want the better features. I don't care if I want sound quality. I have, or I would get better headphones, you know? Yeah. So I want sound quality, I have, or I would get better headphones, you know? Yeah. Sick. I humbly

disagree. That's just because I think the AirPods Pro 2 are like legitimately... Well, the Maxes? No, the Buds. Like, are some of the best sounding headphones you can buy? Oh, I disagree. They sound terrible. You're just wrong. You're wrong.

You're wrong scientifically. Thank goodness this isn't subjective. you're wrong those are like those they just are better than everything else okay they're way more than okay we got some headphones to get through uh because we got audio we got more okay so we got these recently which are the bows like clip-on earbuds these are very weird looking yeah i kind of love these yeah they're kind of fire in the weirdest way so i'm gonna have to take my headphones off to show you guys but i'll try to like say it out loud um basically you take them off they clip like did any of you guys have fake earrings magnetic earrings no i had it where i used to make like a magnetic earring that you could put on without actually getting your ears so these are what it

reminds me of two buds that magnetically have a clip around the back of your ear and then sit right above your earlobe yeah so it kind of looks somewhere between like earbuds in your ear and like. Earrings. Maybe earrings. Yeah. I don't know. They're. Like hugs around your ear.

So there's a part inside, but it also holds on to the backside of your ear. I honestly think they sound pretty darn good. They are everything the Sony Link Buds ever wanted to be. Pretty much. So they're, they basically feel like open and open open back headphones i literally can't hear you right now but when you pause it volume but when you but when you pause it pause it so when you pause it you can hear me perfectly because it's transparent it's like not covering your ears at least that what'd you say you said at least for me oh once

you pause it it's basically like having a full transparency mode yes like fully like you can hear everything around you and if you play your music low enough it's basically like a transparency mode and you can hear everything practical transparency mode yeah i mean which the link buds were because it was essentially a like a donut hole that would go in your ear and the music would play around the outside but you still had a physical hole for exterior sound to come into your ear this to me is more comfortable yeah it sounds better and works better yeah it's really really good yeah i'm impressed they kind of start to hurt my ears a little bit after a little bit of time um just because they're like literally clamping to your earlobes but i think people will probably have like mixed results on that um they're also three hundred dollars damn so they sound really good but you have to be a very specific type of customer to want

these i would say bikers i would say yeah people who yeah maybe yeah running i tried running with these i did not like it really yeah because it makes my earlobes bounce oh need stronger ears yeah my cartilage will have a word with you commuting walking outside just being out when you need transparency mode these are these are super yeah i think biking would be a good yeah definitely a good one yeah all right other stuff we got we got the fair phone uh it's called the fair buds because we had the fair buds xl last year that were the over ear headphones and then this year we have regular friends ginormous case um pretty big earbuds this is right in line with the fair phone yeah pretty big earbuds that like stick out of your

ear i think that's the wrong year a lot oh oh no you're right or no it was oh it is right it says right yeah oh the shape of sorry the shape of that just feels like the wrong way they stick out a lot yeah it's quite a lot yeah they all those fine um the main things that you can replace in the fair buds is like all the batteries so you can replace the battery in the case you can replace the replace in the fair buds is like all the batteries so you can replace the battery in the case you can replace the batteries in the individual buds um they sound fine i it said in their marketing it was like oh for when your earbud dies and you can replace the battery but i've never had an earbud die in my life same i have on pretty much the battery or the circuitry maybe it's the oh so that's a good point i don't know what it was but i've had multiple nothing earbuds which is also why i

find it hard to recommend them in the past where just i open the case after not using them for a bit and one earbud won't charge i've had that happen at least three times i've got i feel like that's probably not the battery it could be the circuitry of just connecting it and then never charging it but to me it might as well be dead because yeah i can't use it anymore because those one plus buds that i used to use stopped working on my runs because i got like i would sweat a lot and uh i feel like just replacing the battery is not going to fix that that's why this makes fair it's a strange it's like a strange proposition because that's not like the battery dying in an earbud or a case is not something that happens to me very often so usually the circuitry gets messed up so i don't know um but these are

149 euros which is about 162 dollars a little bit expensive uh but they use a lot of sustainable materials and that kind of stuff and if you like tinkering you can technically take them like completely apart if you want to so there's definitely interesting conversation to be had about these as far as like repairable versus super durable yeah i mean there's always been this conspiracy theory with wireless earbuds when everyone switched to wireless earbuds that the whole point was that you were always going to lose one and that you were just going to have to buy a whole new thing of them. Or like Apple will sell you a single AirPod, but it costs like $60 or something. It's like quite expensive. So I don't know.

I've never lost like a single earbud but i know that that does happen to people fair enough last one something just came out you actually probably know more about these than i do there's not a lot new yeah yeah these are the beats solo four they're on ear headphones which traditionally i hate because they generally hurt my ears. Some people have said a hybrid is the best of both worlds. This is the type that's truly the worst of both worlds to me. Yeah. There's no active noise cancellation,

but they are USB-C now, or if they didn't used to be USB-C, they were micro, which is insane. They were micro? Yeah. I think so, right? That beats Solo 3? I don be as vsbc they were micro which is insane they were micro i think so right that beats solo 3 i don't know i could look at i think they were micro um they can now play wired audio even when they're dead which headphones always used to be able to play and then for some reason the beat solo 3 couldn't do like when they were dead they couldn't play just over the uh audio jack which is very weird now they can they have apple find my and android find my device support because the beats brand

is sort of apple's like we're also going to sell things to android users brand they've always done that like it has the like instant pair thing when you like open them up in front of an android phone like fast pair it does all that stuff yeah um yeah they're already starting to hurt my ears so that's nice nice they're very they're like pretty compact for headphones as a as opposed to uh earbuds but yeah they're 200 bucks i think the case design is really annoying it's kind of a pain to take them out of and put them back in the case i agree um you can jam a cable in there and yes they are usbc and yes the last ones were micro usb and i cannot believe they just updated that i haven't tested them long enough to figure this out but uh the package said 50 hour battery life on it and then the piece of paper inside said 40 hour battery life on it so

that's something to consider i guess yeah um but yeah they they have you know fine life support's great they're beats man yeah do you guys think the beats brand actually still has any pull whatsoever i think they probably still sell a ton oh yeah, yeah. I think they still sell a ton. I think they just have such an in-store presence, a brand name. Like, we can go in Best Buy or whatever, and you're just going to go get some 12-year-olds some headphones. Like, what do they want? Probably AirPods or Beats. That's kind of the headphones.

Which Apple owns both of. Yep. I was going to say, I think AirPods took the stand on that. Yeah, people want AirPods for sure. But I still think Beats sell plenty. If you want over-ear headphones, the only options for AirPods are $550. So, you know, there's that.

Are they replacing those this year or next year? I hope soon. I hope like two years ago they replace them. With an on button and USB-C? Please. And also maybe lighter and working yeah they break so easily

anyway that was our headphone roundup if you think we missed any significant earbuds that came out recently let us know I don't think

people who work on Beats have even met people who work for Apple probably not no they're card I mean they work for Apple but yeah. Technically.

Yeah. It was the most acquired and then don't talk anymore acquisition I've ever seen. They just had to email them and be like, can we have Find My on this? And that's all. I was going to say, they use Apple Silicon, so I don't see why

they would be that. I don't know. I don't know. But then they don't do any of would be that. I don't know. I don't know. But then they don't do any of the... Maybe because they're protecting AirPods. They actually, if you use these with an iPhone, there is spatial audio. Yeah, and I was going to say, and I think they're...

So it is kind of the same. If you work for Beats, send us an email, podcast at mkbhd.com, and let us know if the apple engineers let you eat lunch at the same table alice is just trying to get an email from dr have you ever even seen apple park jimmy if you're watching yeah i don't actually want to talk to jimmy ivy and you're you're fine you can stay jimmy or john johnny jimmy jimmy ivy jimmy ivyine oh not Johnny Ive yeah and the co-founder

of Interscope Records that's more important that's the cool part actually no I take that back Jimmy I'd love to talk I bet you're super cool

you have a Jasper Johns painting in your office I know that about you it's beautiful let me come see it in person whoa alright

trivia speaking of just you have to send it now i think that's it yeah we're in already all right trivia so quick update on the score after lax last week's uh chaos of marquez getting the point not getting the point whatever by the way come on man as someone who is not here, I thought those were both fantastic questions. Come on, man.

Ellis killed it, and you guys just like... I got them both right. Well, yeah, David, you didn't. Dieter is prohibited from being a tech journalist. Literally not allowed. Anyway, Marquez has seven. Andrew with seven. David with seven.

First question. We were talking about birds. The scientific name. Oh, gosh. Sio Sonata Cristata. What is the common name of that bird? What the heck is a Cristata? Come on. This one's easy. I don't know how it's easy this one's sayo sonata cristada

wait cyano cyano yeah oh also i don't know if this is how you're pronouncing it so bird people are gonna yell at me for sure i'm trying my best this is why people are going to yell at me for sure. I'm trying my best. This is why I heard people are going to be like, squawk! David and I definitely just had the exact same thought. David, what is that? David! I wrote it in cursive. No. Yes! I will not accept

no. Okay, fine. I'll accept it. I get what you were trying to do, but be nice. You can see it. It's the big B right there. David drew a beautiful picture of mountains on his whiteboard cool so what did you guys all say three two one blue correct i originally wrote pigeon so did i i was like pigeon would be the funniest answer well that's because adam kept saying it was obvious well that's why i thought it wasn't pigeon because there was something we were missing in it.

That one's birdicus trashicus. Birdicus trashicus. It's columbid. Do you know what I don't get, though? People hate pigeons and love morning doves. They're the same thing.

People like pigeons. Morning doves. Can you guys do the dove call? I cannot. That's totally different. That's the pigeon call i cannot that's that's the pigeon call that's a different bird if you are still listening to this thank you wow we love you all all right next question if you got this in the podcast comment comment what barcos i want i want two comments somebody has to write pigeon and someone has to write morning dove and then like the one the bird you like more be the two top comments of our episode we can fight for it pigeon team pigeon or team morning team pigeon why are they called morning doves because you never see them at night uh next question uh i received a challenge from our

three hosts to come up with a trivia question involving both microsoft and birds so in 2010 during the lead-up to the release of windows phone 7 microsoft landed in hot water for including a bird-themed app in their advertising that, according to its developer, had not yet been ported to Windows Phone. What app was it? I found that really funny. The Microsoft was like, yeah, we got it. And they were like, why would we make a Windows Phone app? VPN by Google.

Drop cam. I'm going to be so mad when I get this. Google Assistant Snapshot. Loon. Oh, that's a bird. Loon. That's a bird. Google now on tap.

Call joy. What do we got? Oh. On a phone? I said tweet deck. I said Twitter. What do we got? Oh. Mark has? On a phone? I said tweet deck. I said Twitter. I assume that was wrong.

David, what did you say? Say the answer first. David, what did you do? The audio listeners need veracity. Okay, I also said Twitter. That is wrong. The correct answer is Angry Birds. Oh.

I'm so mad I didn't think of that. Wow, I kind of remember that now that you say that. That's really funny. Angry Birds. Wait, trivia people. Can I get a point if I remind you of something you forgot? No. I didn't forget. It's coming up next. Maybe.

Hit me. I didn't forget. There's a bonus trivia question? Well, there was one that was before the Angry Birds one. What does the X in Xbox stand for? Yeah. Oh. So what...

Silly episode. Pigeon Transit. Shoelace. Androidify. Field Trip. Google Translator Toolkit Google Bulletin Google Clips

Follow Your World Message Center Okay, what do we have? Santa Tracker I was gonna write that Okay, I erased what you guys wrote So I hope I'm I hope we're all wrong

wait wait hold on can you say what yours is I said combo like the pretzels with the pizza in the middle no like combo because it's like games and media I don't know oh oh like a cross yeah like x that's good but no yeah I wrote extreme extra e? Extra-eme. Please be wrong. Please be wrong. Thank God. Okay. What is it? Wow.

The correct answer is the X was a reference to DirectX, which is a collection of application programming interfaces. Oh my God. For handling tasks related to multimedia, especially game programming. Only a bunch of nerds could come up with that. Do you remember how many programs you used to have to download and be like, DirectX 12? DirectX. You don't have DirectX 12 on your game.

Yeah. The latest version. You say that, but as someone who has a Windows computer at home, I exclusively use to play 20-year-old computer games. Yeah, DirectX. Yeah, the fact that DirectX is backwards compatible all the way pretty cool i agree i just think selling something to consumers and being like direct x 12 i mean the xbox name is iconic so it works yeah but nobody knows that it stands for direct x is cool

there's some other things like that right direct xbox didn't do you think direct x do you think x like current x is because of direct x i like that i call it x and nobody knows what i'm talking about twitter you mean twitter yeah direct x it was a bad joke but seeing nobody understand what's the newest xbox series x series s and series x does it run vulcan or does it run... Oh. That would be the Series V. That would be the V-Bucks. The V-Bucks. The V-Bucks. V-Bucks.

Vulcan Bucks. Marques, take us out. We're off the rails, so if you've gotten this deep in the podcast, comment about it. Pigeon or Morning Dove. The rails. Thanks for watching this week thanks for listening this week it's supposed to be warm it's warm in here it's so

hot it's kind of cooking i'm wearing a sweater too um make sure you subscribe if you haven't already wait david no you're not super hot you just were like i'm wearing it's got like heat lining on wait it kind of does have like sweater property yeah Yeah, I get really hot every time I wear it. It just looks like a shirt. So I just saw you say, I'm wearing a sweater too. And I was just like, you're on 4K cameras right now. It's a secret sweater. It's like Secret Santa.

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