Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - The Rabbit R1 Is the Weirdest CES Gadget

Episode Date: January 12, 2024

It's CES time! That means crazy gadgets and funny stories. Marques, Andrew, and David first discuss news about the Apple Vision Pro headset before heading over to see what wacky things Ellis found walking around the CES show floor. Then we try to make sense of the newest AI hardware device to hit the scene dubbed the Rabbit R1. Of course, we wrap it all up with trivia to close out the show. Enjoy! Links: 9to5Mac iPhone falling from plane: https://bit.ly/48sjioP CarAndDriver VinFast: https://bit.ly/48tEJpD Razer Project Esther: https://bit.ly/3O1UJqt Audio-Technica ATH-TWX7: https://bit.ly/3NZLg31 Transparent LG OLED: https://bit.ly/3RYteQ1 Monokei Systems keyboard: https://bit.ly/3TT7bwF Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Instagram/Threads/Twitter: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. And it's CES week. As of the time you're watching this, CES, every January, sort of kicks off the year. So we've got a lot of new things in the tech world to just ponder about and talk about. We're not there physically.

We do have some people who are there on the ground, and we're going to talk to them as well. I'm looking forward to that. But we also have a bunch of the little stuff that we've seen that you guys have sent us. There's also some new Vision Pro news, an iPhone falling out of a plane, a Rabbit AI keynote, just a lot of stuff. So we're going to talk about all of that. Also, we had a small adjustment correction from last week. We were talking about the Xiaomi SU7. Yeah, and we said it had 1200 kilometers of range, but... Well, there was going to be a version supposedly in the future that had a long range,

that is a larger battery that had 1200 kilometers of range. Yeah, and I guess it was actually a blog post talking about a potential different battery and a platform i guess rather than the specific su7 and that it would theoretically have 1200 kilometers of cltc range which also everything we talked about last week was cltc which is a estimation by china standards i believe and it is apparently far worse yeah for those who don't know they're when you look at the mileage rating for a car there is a rating based on the government agency in that place and in the u.s we have the epa rating the environmental protection agency i guess right let me just double check i make sure it's the same EPA. But in Europe, they have WLTP, and that's different,

and that gets a different rated range for the same exact car. And in China, they have CLTC, and apparently CLTC ranges are dramatically more generous. I'm sure it's not a coincidence that they happily fed that number as the headlines everywhere. But just so you know, a CLTC range of 500 miles will probably not be the same as an EPA range. Which is already generous. Which is also already hard to achieve.

So that's a little correction from last week. And also very minor correction. Max RPM is 27,000, not 35,000. And the maximum horsepower is 673, not 668. Oh, cool. So yeah, Xiaomi essentially didn't announce a car with a 1200 kilometer battery option. They announced a car and then also announced a battery

that could theoretically have a 1200 kilometer CLTC range. Theoretically. Theoretically. It says- So it's not tied to a car. In the fine print, it literally says theoretically. So there you go. The math maps. That's what it says. Lots not tied to a fine print it literally says theoretically so there you go the math maths that's what it says lots of math good stuff um all right where do we jump in first there's so many stories to possibly talk about i kind of just want to talk about the iphone

falling out of a plane and that being found in a backyard yeah that's one of my favorite stories and it also doesn't shock me somehow really it fell from a plane. So it fell from a high place. Y'all heard of terminal velocity? Marquez cracked his phone sitting on the ground falling out of his pocket. That's the difference. It probably hit a bunch of trees. If I fell out of a plane and landed in grass

it wouldn't matter. You are not a flat small piece of metal. Yeah, your terminal velocity is a little different from the phone. Yeah, apparently there was a Boeing plane that had this issue that was ignored for a couple flights, and then eventually one of the flights took off. So, okay, the basic story is there is an Alaska Airlines flight with a specific model of Boeing plane that was, there was an issue that was being ignored

some i've read an article about some lights that the the flight attendants and crew were sort of ignoring for a while and then one day they took off yeah it's already a weird start one day they took off and uh they should have paid attention to the lights because the the seal of like the emergency door broke and the door just got ripped off the side of the plane while they were flying uh not great thankfully no one was hurt but some things were sucked out of the plane as they were flying and landing and there's this this whole map that you can look up of where the plane was flying and then where underneath the plane people found debris in their backyards including a fully, still in airplane mode, with half battery iPhone that fell out of the plane

and landed in someone's backyard and was still fine. I think it was the side of the road and the plug was in someone's backyard. Not that that matters all that much. But yeah, someone found it on the side of the road while looking for the plug. Also, I kept seeing the word plug and was trying to figure it out.

And it's basically, I guess it's just what they call the temporary door or not temporary door but the emergency door so it was a hole up door that fell off of yeah there's a hole on the side of the plane wild and yeah the they someone found the phone half battery screen on still working probably got pulled out of someone's hand i think no cable was still yeah so pulled out of the out of the wall or something though like the charging cable was still plugged in and it got pulled out of the wall or something. The charging cable is still attached in the bottom but ripped off from the actual cord. USB-C, baby.

That's crazy. It's either a 14 or a 15, so they're not sure. So it could be lightning. I think they said it was a 14 Pro. I think they said it was a dynamic island, so they couldn't tell if it was 14 or 15. Wow, no tech reporters have gone out and taken out their phones. We need answers.

We need to get the full answers. But yeah, there's a close-up of the bottom of the lightning port. Yeah, it's awesome. It's just like ripped out of the bottom of the plane. Imagine, I don't want to imagine it, but imagine being on the plane just scrolling through Twitter or whatever they were doing, and then it just gets sucked out of your hand out of the side of the plane.

Honestly, nightmare fuel. This is like my my worst fear this is definitely my worst fear terrifying we should have like a trigger warning before the like beginning all of those that model of plane has been thoroughly investigated since then a bunch of flights have been canceled with that plane they're gonna tighten all the bolts we should be fine we should be fine no one was injured no one someone had their shirt ripped off. That's wild. Amazingly, so no one was sitting in the seat right next to the door, and no one was pulled out of the plane. But the fact, see, I'm actually given confidence by this.

The fact that the door can be pulled off the side of the plane, and they're still going to land it, and everyone's fine. Man, when I see those wings wobbling in the storm, I'm like, yeah, we're good. At least no one was sitting in the window the window that could have been bad because they probably would have gotten sucked out yeah even a seat belt probably would have been yeah but how often do you take off your seat belt immediately after they're like you could take off your seat don't do it anymore now i'm staying on the whole time follow the rules next to that door you should keep your

seat belt on yeah that's crazy crazy story but hey a new phone story. Yeah, this is the drop test of all drop tests, I think. And also just like definitely goes to show you that breaking your phone is so much luck. Because you can drop your phone from two inches off the ground and shatter the screen or the back. Or you can drop it from a plane and it'll be fine. And it'll be fine. Whoever the case manufacturer of whatever that phone is needs to find out immediately. you see that stanley cup that was in the like car that caught on fire and it still had ice in it they made a huge marketing push with that oh this case manufacturer needs to hop on the same thing and be like we're the case that fell out of a plane and we're fine

that's super funny that's a good ad i want them to repeat the test throw it out of a plane let me make sure it works the funniest thing about this too was that when they found the phone someone found it in like their backyard or something it was still unlocked and on and hadn't died yet yeah it felt like 6 000 feet so whatever that guy's screen out time was probably had like a screen on for like five minutes and just stayed on well i don't think i don't think that he had any sort of screen lock on because I don't think they found it right away. I have a 10-minute screen off on my phone. So if I leave my phone for 10 minutes,

the screen will stay on for 10 minutes. Right. So he could have like a five-minute screen out and it'll still stay on for the duration of that fall. Yeah, it's hilarious. Good for them. All right. A little bit of Vision Pro news, actually.

So Apple did announce the dates of Vision Pro pre-orders and availability in the U.S. I believe it's February 2nd for availability. No. Yeah. Yeah. And then when is the pre-order? It's January 19th, I think. So if you are just itching to spend your $3,500, at least now you have the dates in the U.S.

when you'll be able to do that. Something else that sort of got surfaced from that is there's new media of the Vision Pro, and the head strap looks a little bit different from the way it did in the keynote. A lot different. There's essentially a new head strap. Yeah. And I think, I mean, what's happening is Apple announced the Vision Pro and shot all these videos and revealed what it looks like so long ago that they've actually made improvements to it before it's shipping, which is actually, I think, a good thing. And it appears now that there's an article saying that they're going to ship with two different head straps in the box. Is there that's confirmed or not confirmed, but rumored now? Because the first thing it seems to be confirmed is an article saying here's what comes in the box with vision oh really okay i didn't see that i saw them

so mark german tweeted uh he it was this new head strap says old versus new head strap top design the idea of the new strap is seemingly so your head doesn't want to fall off after half an hour of use i think people will be surprised about the weight in the initial use yeah so there's there's one band that is just a solo knit the one that's like famously in all the videos in every around and then there's the other that's a two-piece which is one band behind your head and another part that goes over the top of your head so it's a little less all the weight on your face and it was originally marketed as you keep that thick knit one and then there was another piece that went over the top but this new version is as much smaller the

straps are basically identical thin the one that goes behind looks like it goes down further on the back of your head assuming to create more leverage just to hold without and then also the one on top which looks far different and i know you said it's to make it feel better which i think is that but also i have a really hard time believing that that original knit they didn't know it was felt bad and was super heavy well but i think it looks so much nicer that it does marketing material it makes sense yeah i don't love so i think apple knew going in that this was a heavy headset but i think they aesthetically wanted a one-piece band and so their engineering solution was this really big,

flexible thing on the back of your head. Yeah. And it still works, but that headset is heavy. Yeah. It's just really heavy for a VR headset because of all the metal and the extra screens and everything. And I think they're finally just going, you know, we need a two-piece.

It's kind of a bummer because I really liked the mesh, the thick mesh part of the headset. Yeah. And it was comfortable, but it definitely, after about half an hour of use, started to feel really heavy. And the two times that I used the Vision Pro, I had to adjust it on my face multiple times.

It kind of reminds me of AirPods Max. AirPods Max are heavier than any other headphones that I'd regularly use. And they have this pretty big band on the top that tries to sort of distribute the weight in a bigger way, but after a while You kind of just you're wearing heavier headphones. Yeah, you just notice that right? I think it's gonna be even more noticeable with this headset because as People have pointed out the immersion factor of a VR headset is where you don't feel like you're wearing anything you're just walking around in this new world.

And if this weight is like pulling down on your face, like that's going to take away from immersion. And if you're adjusting it, like David said, constantly, that's kind of defeating the whole purpose. Yeah, I don't think we're going to see this strap in any marketing though at all. The other one looks so much better, is so much more Apple. I think the headset looks way more generic with the new double strap they're showing they'll just show it from the front every time so you can't tell i i think they'll show it with the the old strap on and one just one yeah i think in like all marketing i wouldn't doubt if here's the question at an apple

store if it's there which strap does it have do you have the strap that looks really good on the shelf for everyone, but then people put it on and notice that it's uncomfortable? Yeah, because in the box, you'll have the other one. Yeah, but if you're just trying it for your first time, is Apple going to have kind of like a VR station? Yes, they are. That makes sense. They're doing like a first-come, first-served basis thing

where you show up and get in line and you can test it. HTC used to do this in microsoft stores the first time i ever used a vive was in a microsoft store and they had so many uh materials that they would use to clean the device over and over again and like change the straps and change everything every single person would use it uh but it's definitely gonna be interesting because uh exactly one week from today the day that you were all watching this on friday this that's when this thing goes on pre-order which is pretty wild it's still such a strange um timeline it's like a weird product release nobody no one has ever as far as i can

tell don't say that shown footage of anyone wearing it outside the commercials sorry like you can't order this without like there won't be reviews i don't think like before you can order it i feel like so many more not but i doubt before you can order it so that's yeah that's usually a red flag for us when you yeah yeah it goes live and there are no reviews and there's not even any footage of any human using it outside of like the headquarters it's kind of great that's kind of happening with is the iphone like that now though We get first impressions, but we don't get reviews anymore. But usually our review embargo is around the time it actually goes out.

Right, but even with this, there's no impressions. It's just people talking about that time that they got to use it. No one gets to use it on camera. It's just a little more restrictive than everything else. Yeah, yeah. Red flag. It's also, I can't remember the last time

a big tech product has like come out earlier than everyone expected like this they said early 2023 but let's be real we all kind of expected that to be like end of the first quarter yeah yeah what's the latest possible that qualifies as early 20 yeah yeah it's like literally the last minute like you said yeah we're talking about the the weird apple CarPlay thing. They promised in 2022 that they would release more information by the end of 2023. And literally December 29th, they released like a shoddy, like half complete Photoshop job of a Porsche with a CarPlay built in. Someone was in the studio like, wait, I think we owe people something.

We haven't actually done it. I think Andrew made that that joke yesterday like there's like a notion task of like oh crap we have to yeah so like this coming early february i don't think anyone expected every second that's wild yeah it's crazy right and early yeah cool so i can't wait till the whole studios you guys are getting them you're getting it for all of us right you know i'm still i'm not sure exactly what i'm going to want to use i mean nobody knows what they're going to want to use vision pro most for but i keep thinking what i'm going to default to doing the most is watching media like i had this vision of getting on an airplane vision and putting putting the headset on and watching a movie

and nobody talks to me the whole flight. No, no, no, no, no. I want the full picture that you told me the other day. Okay. What are you hiding from us? I get on the plane. I sit down.

Oh, no. I put the Vision Pro on. You get sucked out of the plane. I put my... It's a fine one of these on the side of the room. You have no idea because you're in VR.

That would be a disaster. I mean, mixed reality, sorry. So I sit down. of these on the side of the road no idea because you're in vr that would be a disaster i mean mixed reality sorry so i sit down i put on the headset i put on my noise canceling headphones and i am fully isolated from the world and i just i just sit back i sit back and i just like i just like zone out and i don't i don't move for four hours when this happens you need to buy me the seat next to you so I can record the steward tapping you on the shoulder and your eyes lighting up at them and watching them freak out.

That is going to be interesting. I need to see that. Because the etiquette of noise-canceling headphones is all kind of built into the headphones, right? Like the Sonys have that feature where you put your hand over it and it like turns transparency on the airpods have a button where you turn transparency on so you can theoretically leave your noise canceling headphones on but still interact with the flight attendant when they say do you want some water whatever with the vr with the headset on site oh man it's it's built into the headset but it's also a really new thing for

them to look at someone with the eyes projecting out of the headset it's easier to tell but it's also a really new thing for them to look at someone with the eyes projecting out of the headset it's easier to tell but it's just also terrifying they also haven't had eyesight on on any of our demos that we've done yeah it's not working on those so it's either not working or they just don't want people to know what it looks like yet which is i can't i can't wait till marquez comes out of the airplane bathroom and his eyes are just down the like this dark plane red eye flight. It's I cannot wait. Now, the other thing is the battery life is not as long as a movie hours. Yeah.

And I was also thinking, like, if planes weren't uncomfortable enough, I now want my neck being torqued for an extra two hours. You have to get you got to get one of those like plain puffy neck strap. Yes. Keeps your head up. Yes. That's a new Vision Pro accessory. Just a neck brace. Yeah.

A full on like paramedic neck brace. This is the future we wanted. I'm not sure. But I've never watched a high quality movie on a plane before. It's either sitting on an iPad on a tray with like the window from the passenger across from me like reflecting off the movie or or just the the one built into the plane which is not amazing that's true imagine watching what i presume will be a fantastic quality movie with great audio yeah and the the three-hour plane ride just evaporates because you're just locked into the movie i did like the movie theater experience that we got to do

in vision pro like really feels like you're in an actual theater that's one of my mom's like selling points on the oculus's she's like just put on netflix and sit there that'd be sick yeah so i think at a movie theater everyone else on the plane isn't staring at you while you do it yeah you can watch whatever movie you want question mark that doesn't go yeah um the enormous question mark for this thing is what is the developer ecosystem going to look like once it's once it comes out like i want to know i just want to know because it seems like apple still doesn't completely understand what the use case for this product is because they keep pushing all their all their pushing is like look at your

panoramas look at your spatial video watch movies but they don't they don't have any like native apps that they think are killer apps that make this worth having they seem like entertainment based right like watch multiple nba streams at a time or like games yeah more stuff like that it will be they definitely want some sort of work apps to be associated with yeah so like video calling and stuff like that but they're really leaning on developers though to make killer apps i still think this feels i still think the price tag is up there because this feels more like developers are supposed to be buying it and they don't they know the public's gonna buy it but it feels like a developer kit like a really expensive i don't think that they want a lot of

people to buy i don't think they do either this is purely a vibe check off of like the people i follow on threads and everything but there seems to be a lot of like developer excitement for this at least no no i think there is i agree i think there is and that's what i think this is mostly for and a developer is where it's worth paying 3500 if you're getting in the door early of an apple vr mr whatever you want to call it xr space with a new with a new platform or at least a new medium like this that's where the excitement has to be is that the developers first because nobody who isn't a developer really knows why they would spend 3500 on this thing if it only does what you can already do on your phone so we're trying to yes use apple's built-in apps to give us a good idea

of what it'll be good at oh it's a nice screen oh i can view media it's going to look really high quality um but i need more to spend that much money on that so developers are like oh my apps i have all these great ideas it's going to work well let me just code for it like i hope that is where the excitement is also 3500 is the starting price for the 256 gigabyte model which i can't very small amount of storage i can't tell i think you're right i think 256 is going to feel really small because a vr game could be 50 gigs easily right right so i but what are the prices of the other is it a half terabyte and a terabyte and then yeah i don't even know what we don't know there's no rumors of any other sizes at this point.

Exactly. I really feel like if you were paying $3,500, they should have given you a terabyte of storage because NAND storage is so cheap. It should be a terabyte. It's so cheap. They should just put it in a little thing you put in your pocket

and add another cord up to the top for more storage. There's a little... Imagine just putting a flash drive in the side where you put a dongle in and there's like a micro sd card slot like flapping out of the side yeah that's not how it's gonna work yeah imagine i'm very interested in because it's so heavy just how people are going to react to that and we were joking yesterday like they should have made it out of plastic but apple would never make it out of plastic and they'd sooner invent a new type of glass and metal that is lighter before that they uh used plastic on this thing chiropractors out

there right now are carbon fiber would have been licking their lips they're gonna be four boats soon carbon fiber would have been kind of sick yeah do you want it to be more than 3500 honestly once it's over 3500 like it could be anything it. It could be anything. Just go for it. $10,000. It could be a car. I can mortgage my house. It could be a car. I don't know. Yeah. Anyway, okay. We've got a lot of CES stuff to get into, so I think we want to leave some time for

that. So I think we should take a quick break and then come back to do CES talk. But before the break, we should do trivia. Okay, trivia. So we've been talking about the Apple Vision Pro. With the external battery pack, it's stated at having two to two and a half hours with an asterisk. That asterisk is testing consisted of full battery discharge

while performing each of the following tasks. Video playback, internet browsing, browsing spatial video capture and what popular apple first party app what are the three options well there's four oh there's video playback internet browsing spatial video capture and what popular apple first party app this to me says this is what they expect most people to be using this i have a guess me just based on the videos okay yeah but wait we'll have to see if i'm right okay oh well you asked the question again later i know there's a battery estimate it's multiple battery estimate they explain is we got two and a half hours based on you doing these four things exactly adam named

the first three yeah what is what is the fourth video playback browsing spatial video capture oh and what i'm surprised that they include spatial video capture so was i that's why because that seems like a pretty heavy task well and also then they said you could capture on your phone after which makes way more sense yeah yeah right well you don't want to capture video no i don I don't. Dad, what are you doing? All right. Answers will be after the show, as usual. We'll be right back. This episode is brought to you by Dyson OnTrack. Dyson OnTrack headphones offer best-in-class noise cancellation

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All right, welcome back. So as I've mentioned, this is CES week. So as we're recording this, it's kind of the middle of CES week, and we've got some people out there at the show floor itself. We're going to throw it to our on-the-floor correspondent, Ellis, reporting from the field for us. Ellis, let us know what's going on on the show floor. Marques, I'm reporting live from the Hisense booth of the floor of CES 2024. As you can see,

they appear to have set up some sort of wonderland, it seems. There's a giant orb of seemingly some sort of LED panel. We have the Suites Island showing some sort of a plastic recycling process. Uh, in about one minute, we're going to see the dancing car start over there, but it seems that here in the high sense booth, uh,

things are fantastic and, wonderful. Uh, back to you, Marquez. All right. There are many orbs in Las Vegas. There are many orbs.

There are many displays. The dancing cars. That was like the perfect encapsulation of like, There are many orbs in Las Vegas. There are many orbs. There are many displays. The dancing cars. That was like the perfect encapsulation of like, if you could stand in one spot at CES and see CES. Everywhere you turn, there's something else that you didn't expect to see. I hope they went through the LG tunnel.

That's there every year. That's a good one. Yeah. I hope he did too. This is Ellis's first. We sent Ellis and Mariah their first CESs and they're perfect for CES. Yeah, they certainly had a lot to explore. I think they're thriving out there.

I think we've got a little bit more from our correspondents out there. Let's see what else we saw. Let's pull up another one. Marques, I'm sitting here on the central floor of CES. I'm actually in a car, believe it or not, made by TCL, known for their epic QLED televisions. I used to have one for years.

It was great. This car, much like their television, appears to be great. I mean, look at this leg room. Just fantastic. You're not gonna find this in any vehicle other than maybe a real life limousine. Up in front, we have a giant, giant wraparound OLED screen. Two OLED screens with a notch

a la Apple right here. All in all, great product. I hope we get to see it on the road. We probably won't. But all in all, just a fantastic product. And thank you for TCL for letting me sit in the back of this car. Marques, back to you. For audio listeners, car is a generous term there. It was four seats on the show floor

the thing about the thing about ces is it stands for consumer electronics show but most of the things you see there aren't actually consumer electronics yeah they're not gonna come out there's lots of car stuff at ces there's a whole hall where you see like tons of different cars and there's like a mobility section and the future of cars and then once in a while you get an entire car that gets announcing or like is this ever coming out sony afila sony afila really that's coming out apparently this year it was there and they drove it on stage with a ps5 controller yeah that happened that's a real thing that happened think Think about that in any other context other than CES. They drove the Sony car on stage with a PS5 controller.

If Tesla did that, you'd be like, come on. Yeah. Really? But that's what's happening. I suspect that that wasn't a TCL car as much as it's a demo of how TCL technologies can be in a car. Yeah. You know, because, hey, we make screens, and guess where you need screens? New cars. So, Ellis got a taste of all of those things.

Yeah, CES is kind of like a vibe rather than a product. It's like, here's a bunch of crazy stuff, and maybe 10% of it later will be pretty cool when you can actually buy it. I just felt like that video perfectly encaps encapsulated like car releases at CES. It's like I'm sitting in this thing. So maybe it's real. Most likely not. But look at how cool it is.

There's so many like quote unquote cars out there that are just like a box with a million screens and seats facing each other. And then there's like wheels outside. I want someone to make a chart of the proportion of cars shown at CES whose seats do not face forward. And how that has gone up over time. Wait a second. You don't have to drive so you could just look at each other. You just turn around. And that's become a thing.

All right. I can't wait for that day. For one more segment. Last video. Hit us with it, Ellis. Marques, I'm coming to you live once again, this time from the Venetian Expo Hall at CES. I am currently being jiggled by one of Dr. Fuji's, this appears to be a thigh and glute shaker.

Nice. This is fantastic. I have to say this is the best product, most innovation. It's shaking. Frankly, I think the government should be buying these for people. It's a travesty that the rest of America hasn't been exposed to Dr. Fuji's wonder. If you're at CES, I highly recommend stopping by this food.

Dr. Fuji, would you would you would you like a word? Yeah, thank you so much. This is a lifestyle. The CES Korean lifestyle. Feeling this health, like, awareness. This is about. Bose. Hi there. Vibration plate is actually vibration medicine. Nikola Tesla says it best. Everything is energy, frequency, and vibration. And when you figure out that everything is vibration,

you figure out the keys to the universe. Thank you. Oh, I couldn't have said keys to the universe. Thank you. I couldn't have said it any better myself. Thank you very much. Marques, I'm going to send it back to you in the studio. So. That reminds me. Yeah.

CES is a couple things. Yeah. CES is a vibe check. It's it's like hey here's our new tech interested question mark yeah ces is also pr uh-huh here's our new thing come on write about it that's what you're here for uh-huh and ces is a tradition tradition the tradition part of it is dr fuji yes he okay for those that don't know dr fuji i did not andrew had to explain this to me this morning oh i saw dr fuji every year i went to ces your formative ces experience yeah he makes these vibrational pads that you stand on that are

supposed to be good for your like they're supposed to like there's there's been like decades of those kind of like i think it used to be you stood and there was a band like around your back and it would like kind of shake you and this is now like more of a a platform you stand on and it shakes and i think they do massage chairs also holistic like core training nicola tesla said it best well she said you know okay you know it's funny so i was in new orleans a couple weekends ago and i walked by this random street vendor. And he had a bunch of rings that he probably bought from China and imported and sold to a lot of people. But this guy walked up, and he's looking at it, and he's like, you like that ring?

He's like, yeah, my daughter likes purple. And he's like, you know why you like that ring? And he's like, well, it's purple, my daughter. And he's like, it's made of amethyst. You know what amethyst does? He was like, what? And he says, amethyst has the same vibrational frequency as your body. So when you're touching amethyst, you're touching yourself.

And I was like, yeah. All right, Dr. Fuji. You're on to something there, man. Love that. You know, when you don't have to get fda approval you can just do whatever sometimes yeah that's true look ces is um it's full of all kinds of wonders i kind of though feel like we've sort of sat back perched back a little bit and seen a lot of the ces stuff from afar obviously these guys have been in the thick of it and that's what we've just witnessed and i

love that but i'm curious what you guys have seen that you think is genuinely actually some of the best stuff from ces like good stuff from c yeah it's easy to make fun of ces and that was the ces ces but there is diamonds in the rough out there that's exactly how finding them is tough we sent people to find them for us this year or the internet yeah um but i think we asked everyone to pick something they they saw that was an announcement from ces yeah who wants to go first i can go yeah do it so razor every year has something that's it's usually in the same exact category it's an interesting idea that you're convinced they'll never ship but you're like well i could kind of see razor shipping this and this year they did it again they called it project Esther this year and if you just go do a quick google search for Razer's project Esther it's

described as an HD haptics gaming cushion you put this on your gaming chair you connect it to your computer and it with super low latency can deliver some of the effects of what you're feeling in the game through the chair. The back, the seat, the lower back, the whole thing. If you're playing a shooting game, allegedly, this is coming from a reviewer from Tom's Hardware. Allegedly, you feel like you got hit by the gun. Like you feel some of the things in the game. Also, you can only get shot in the back you can only get shot in the back this is a very valid point andrew i want us to

ignore that for a second but imagine like the you've seen like belief you've seen the um there's like uh sofas that you put yeah yeah like subwoofers in yeah like feel the bass imagine feeling the bass and music i'm making fun of it but i actually think one this is the least ridiculous thing razors like shown at ces remember project linda which again was really cool but i didn't think it was ever going to ship that was the phone that acted as the track pad of the shell for a laptop that was awesome i think i think samsung and dex should do something like that yeah because i actually think that's a really cool idea but this looks really sick for like racing like i immediately look at racing games where i think

it'd be coolest there's people build all sorts of racing simulators if this is a couple hundred bucks you get a bunch of extra feel in a racing simulator if you're putting on the racing chair or the razor chair it's already like a racing seat you throw a steering wheel and some pedals on this and like i actually think this is pretty neat and very razor do you think they're actually going to release this i think so i think this gets really this can get released allegedly there's an sdk because as of right now when you're doing that like a subwoofer under the couch thing it's just taking the speaker's audio already and choosing which frequencies to send where so if you're if there's some some bass in the movie you're watching then it's like all right we'll put that under your seat. If you're playing a game and there's a gunshot,

maybe that specific frequency is picked up by the software. But if you're working with the developer of the game itself with an SDK, they can choose exactly what to send where. So if you're doing a driving game, instead of just relying on the engine sound from the speakers, maybe the developer of the game can send the track bumps to your chair yeah which would be kind of sick be cool so i it has some potential and also rgb this picture shows rgb let's be real i hope it's rgb there's only one photo i see with rgb and considering all

the other razor ones don't actually show it it just has like a green lining i kind of think it's not but i hope they make an rgb version um but the reason i think this yeah okay okay i mean it's razor there's got to be an rgb version the reason i think this ships is because ultimately it's a high quality massage chair pad that they can yeah specifically target sections and that's not it seems a lot less insane than a lot of no exactly it's a very reasonable product yeah in previous years they had a they had a tri-screen laptop that got famously got stolen yeah that was really funny they had that monitor one year that yeah i forget if it ever got released but it was i think it did that was

like early on of the like 4k high refresh rate or like crazy high refresh rate it had like multiple cables going into it to achieve it i think yeah it was one of the few companies that goes hard at ces yeah but project linda is one of my favorite things razor ever released yeah yeah so that's my pick high definition haptics threw your butt from the game i was entertained by that i really liked did you see the vinfast pickup truck i saw a picture of it i think it looks really cool um is it legit i mean vinfast has been making a picture of it. I think it looks really cool. Is it legit? I mean, VinFast has been making a lot of cars. They released a pickup truck and also this little SUV that's like a two-door SUV. It basically looks like if you took a Bronco Sport, took the back doors off and just smushed the trunk back up on it. But I like the truck because it just looks nice.

It looks about the size of a Tacoma. because it just looks nice it looks about the size of a tacoma and you remember when the silverado ev came out and i know other trucks have done this but it had like a compartment an opening so if you were sliding like wood through the back bed of the truck it could come into kind of the cab this vinfast has the entire back seat able to fold down and completely open up to the cab turn into a truck so yeah not just the little bottom portion of it but the entire part of it so i think that's awesome and gives you a bunch of extra space um i think it looks really cool i like the size of it's obviously it's smaller than an f-150 and the interior looks very ces that looks very future i wanted to get into that i think that'll be i don't know enough

about vinfast i have a hard time believing that's what that'll be. Or if it is, this is going to be way more expensive than it needs to be. Right. Everything else. This is a concept truck announced at CES. So my question is, if VinFast is actually going to make a pickup truck like this, how much of it will end up in the actual truck? Right. I think the design could, but this concept also has like,

is this the My Back Doors, the suicide the suicide doors what is it what do you call um the back door opens backwards so you got the yeah doors opening like that they open from the same point from the same opposite direction i don't think that makes it pickup truck not a good idea uh i hope that the feature you're talking about with the i could see that sting the tailgate i don't know what to call it it has a name bed something else gate it's not the tailgate it's like the the tailgates went all the way in the back what opens in to get to the bed of the truck but this is where the bed and the back row of seats connects i think that feature would be nice to have in a real truck uh i think the interior looks very much more like a normal truck than this. The funny thing is, is I think if this truck as the concept was toned down 25%, I would like it better.

And so that's why I think... But then it wouldn't be as cool as CES. No, but when it sells later, if the interior is less flashy, if the exterior was probably a little more just normal, and then it still had features like that, I think this is a really cool truck. There's not a lot of VinFast cars in the US, but I think they're working on sort of actually breaking out and shipping them here.

Yeah. Sick. So I have two. I have one that is very expensive and may or may not even ship, and then I have one that is already shipping, which is pretty cool. So main one, LG Signature OLED T.

Every year there is a there's a lot of really interesting tv tech at ces uh a lot of it doesn't make it out of ces like 3d tvs that tradition we're a thing temporarily and then everyone realized we're dumb this is very interesting it almost kind of looks like a fish tank like a very nice little fish tank. But basically it has the transparent TV portion in the middle. And because of this, with no black film on the back, you're able to give these like really cool 3D effects that make it look like there's like a volumetric type display inside of the TV. And they have a lot of interesting demos. I think that it could make for a very interesting piece of art, right? It's sort of like a different version of the Samsung frame TVs that turn into static art. This is like moving art.

LG had a different booth or like a side room filled with different displays. And they were using something similar to this as like a storefront window that was able to do like transparent video yeah so like you could make the your store pop a little right and i think it was really cool and this looks like that bundled down into like an interior consumer gadget it is interesting because a lot of the time the lg stuff does eventually ship like the rollable tv did eventually ship you can buy it it's super freaking expensive this will probably super freaking

expensive to ship but you can turn it into a regular TV when you do basically this black film lifts up in the back which gives it contrast so you're actually able to see what you're watching it doesn't look as good as a regular TV when it has the black film up but it's like passable so I think it's more for people that want to have an art piece in their

house and then can also watch things when they want to or to the rollable tv yeah i mean i can see this in businesses also as just like cool display units i mean yeah lg is the one who i think would they're the ones who at ces they put crazy stuff out and then i'm like that might that's probably actually going to come out yeah might not sell a bunch and it's going to be super expensive yeah but it's going to come out and it's going to be impressive yeah um there's another thing that is actually going to ship like immediately uh called the audio technica ath twx7 they are a pair of earbuds and they're not that different from regular earbuds except they have a feature built in that can basically play relaxing music and it's like built into the

headphones and i know this seems like gimmicky and you could just go on your phone and play the music from like something whatever but i listen to uh like nature-y soundscape music when i'm writing and i feel like the ability to just like pop these in and just press them and immediately have it play would be kind of nice. And audio-technica headphones already sound pretty good. So yeah, there's already a $200 audio-technica pair of truly wireless earbuds,

which is probably worth it already. Because audio-technica makes great stuff. And 200 bucks is pretty standard price for stuff like this. So hashtag not sponsored. But if you want to send a pair, I'm not opposed. Yeah. So I just think that's fun. What is kind of nice is when technology comes out that has very low key updates that are

just kind of quality of life improvements. Most of CES is clearly just this like, we're reinventing this and it probably won't work and people probably won't buy it uh but it's always nice when they're just like we added this kind of nice quality of life feature to a thing that you already had um now traditionally that makes for a little bit more of a boring ces like a few years ago the whole theme of ces was we added alexa to your fridge we added alexa to your microwave or your clock. But obviously this year it's AI stuff, which we'll get into in a little bit.

Put GPT in your toaster. Yes, GP toaster. Yeah, I think this would be neat. I wish I could sleep with earbuds in because I think it would be awesome to just have earbuds in and just hit the button and go to sleep with relaxing sounds. There are the Bose sleep buds that they don't make anymore i don't think but i just can't sleep with

things sticking out of my ears can you not just like a white noise machine yeah but then everyone has to hear it versus just me sounds like their problem yeah that's fair yeah they can put earbuds i just go with a fan yeah but yeah okay that's That's Audio Technica ATH-TWX7. Great. Please start naming your earbuds better. The names are getting longer. ATH-M50 was the same number of characters, but easier to say. Yeah.

ATH-TWX7, it's getting a little harder to say. Yeah. Not sure why you're using all those letters, but okay. Yeah. I think those are good picks also new ps5 colors nice red white and blue adam has a favorite america what do you got adam what's your pick oh mine was the mono key systems it's like a low profile keyboard from i think that's how you pronounce it right monarchy yeah i mentioned this just like offhand to Andrew that I want to do this and he kindly gave me a paragraph or two of like cool specs to say and mention and comparisons and everything.

MonoKey is a company that's already really popular in the mechanical keyboard space. I have a couple of theirs. They have super, super premium like $500 plus keyboards. Last year they released more like a $200 keyboard, but mechanical in stock. And now this is the low profile stuff. Because we're seeing a lot more with the popularity of the Magic Keyboard. I think a lot of keyboard companies are like,

people like low profile, but let's make them nice and mechanical, not scissor switch. So like Keychron andufi have done it already and they're really nice and this is mono key going into that interesting range i knew none of that i just saw it and i was like this thing pretty i want it looks really nice it looks like have you seen that work louder keyboard no there's a company called work louder that's doing this low profile keyboard except it's um why can't i remember the name something linear where all the keys rather than staggered are uh ortho linear i think it's called where all the keys

are like in the same row which is very different from all those are used it looks cool it's very out there it has like screens and knobs and everything just quickly i looked again some of the work ladders ortho linear some of them them is regular layout, but yeah, all of them I want. This is similar to that, but in a standard layout that people actually understand more, a little more low key. I don't know if you see a picture of it yet.

I think it looks really good. It's in silver and black, wireless Bluetooth and 2.4 gigahertz dongle, silent or tactile switch options and available mid-year. This keyboard is beautiful. It looks gorgeous. It looks really nice.

And I really liked monokey stuff as well. I didn't think I was going to want to buy a new keyboard so fast. Same. That's not my 2024 bingo card. Nice. All right. Yeah. I wish I got to see it.

They invited us over to see it, but we didn't go. Damn. Well, we should do another trivia and then after the break we're going to talk about that rabbit r1 ai hardware product which we have a lot of thoughts about and we will get into soon but adam you want to throw us a trivia question nah okay see you guys later oh oh you're kidding yes right always have a trivia question all right so we spoke a lot about cars on this episode so far but one thing i found while looking up random facts about cars is that there are many different types of horsepower which of these isn't a real type of horsepower horsepower a drawbar horsepower b water wheel horsepower c electric horsepower or d boiler

horsepower i think i know the answer interesting i don't i think i've got a random guess because i forgot everything he said already perfect i can put a letter down yeah all right we'll do that after the break we'll be right back. You've always wanted to be part of something bigger than yourself. You live for experience and lead by example. You want the most out of life and realize what you're looking for is already in you. This is for you. The Canadian Armed Forces.

A message from the Government of Canada. All right, welcome back. We have one more thing to talk about. Surprisingly, the entire last section of the pod, we've dedicated to this one thing because it's captured our attention so impressively that we have so many thoughts about it. Now, it was initially like teased on social media.

This is, I'll just say, it's called the Rabbit, right? So this is this AI device assistant thing. I think it's called the r1 yeah sorry the company is called rabbit and it's we didn't know what it was called but it was some rabbit ai thing and now we know it's called the rabbit r1 which is like rabbit rabbit one r well it's like the yeah the the essential phone ph1 but that was phone ph any yeah whatever itO-N-E. Well, whatever. It's the R1. The chip in the Vision Pro is an R1. No, it's the M2 plus R1. That's the other one.

I forgot about that one. R1? What is the R1? Oh, the R1 chip? To process the visual data. We're off topic. Anyway. It's the Rabbit R1.

And what the thing is, is it is a piece of hardware that has an AI built into it that can do lots of things based on natural language input. Lots of helpful things, lots of things that would normally take you a bunch of taps on a smartphone, lots of things that you might want to perform on a regular basis. It has a microphone, it has a speaker, it has a camera built in, it has a little screen on the front, and it's a little rabbit AI that does all these things for you. Now, my first exposure to it, and I think yours was too, was a video of a bunch of people

holding a blurred item because it wasn't revealed yet, giving it prompts. I'm going to actually play that video so you guys can hear some of the insane things that it was asking this thing to do. Order me an Uber and find me a good podcast to pass the time oh and tell everybody that i might be late that was delicious check the fridge and order the ingredients to make that again tomorrow create a route that works with my goals then start the best playlist to keep me motivated watch what i'm doing here process all my new photos today just like this find us a nice restaurant near here then get us there so you get the idea it's very focused on natural language

input and then just a super helpful thing that carries out the task for you now i've been i've been thinking about like ai assistance a lot lately just because like we're we know google assistant's gonna get better we're waiting for seer to get better we already know alexa and stuff are getting better and i think the idea that we want them to be able to be good at is everything a human assistant would be good at right because most people don't have a personal assistant so if your phone can be as helpful as possible and you can just tell it what to do and it can do it that would be the ideal solution but they've never quite gotten there you have to speak in a certain way when you wake up and talk to alexa you have to say uh tell me what the weather is in this city for this

day a lot of things you have to be specific about and know how to prompt it in order to get it to do exactly what you want yeah and a lot of other things it just straight up can't quite do and so the idea behind why i think people are so compelled by this is, wouldn't it be cool if I could just talk to it like a human and it could just figure out what to do with AI and do it? And I think that's super cool. I also think it's super difficult. And so I'm curious how well this thing is actually going to work in real life. And now we have a 25-minute keynote with a whole bunch more examples, and it's very much, you know,

an Apple-style Steve Jobs-esque, like, black background co-founder on the screen telling me smartphones are $700 and you have to tap the screen eight times to call an Uber. The thing we just made, it's $200, and you just tell it to call an Uber, and it does it for you. And the proposed solutions to all the problems makes perfect sense.

I'm just very interested and probably a little skeptical about how good it will be at doing these things without just turning into a phone. So I'm curious what you guys thought when you saw the keynote and the announcements and what this rabbit AI could actually be and maybe best case versus worst case yeah so the promo video that you showed um especially because they were not showing the actual device and showing how you were going to interact with it in a touch way uh was kind of funny because she just says

call me an uber she doesn't say where which is kind of a problem she also says she should be saying call me an uber home yeah or something like that and i'll just say at the end she says and tell everyone i'm going to be late and i can't imagine telling tell everyone she's like contact list the entire contact i'm going to be late yeah and i think so with that even i think the believers would say it's got to be context aware it knows where you are and it knows that you just finished some appointment and it knows you're going to go home. So when you say, call me an Uber,

it knows your location from GPS and it's going to know to call you an Uber home and hopefully gets it right. And when it says, tell everyone I'm going to be late, it knows about your next appointment at home and it knows who's there. And so it knows to tell, like it's going to hopefully process all of this stuff and all this context and get it right. Hopefully, it just seems like so many things it has to get right.

Yeah. They call this a large action model because with large language models, the foundation of that is a transformer. And the best part about a transformer is that it understands context of words. So you don't have to use like extremely specific words to trigger the assistant in the right way and interact with it in a right way and if you've ever like had someone who's not super tech savvy try to interact with a virtual assistant usually it says sorry i don't understand because they don't use the right trigger words exactly so theoretically the best part of a large language model that you would interact with with your voice is that you could basically say

anything and then it would be able to do it now Now, the next step of that is what rabbit's trying to do here, where you say things to it, it understands the context of what you're saying and it can act on those context clues. Um, that's clearly a very big leap forward because right now all you can really do with these large language models is like talk to an assistant and have a chat back to you so actually being able to interact with your apps is very interesting and the reason that in the commercial they had her go call me mover oh and um like they had her do that on purpose because it shows you that this is the way that humans actually interact with each other and you don don't have to use very specific keywords to make it work. The way that you plug in your apps is really interesting.

Yeah, there's a whole setup. Yeah. You can log in. So it has a little LCD screen that kind of looks like a little phone. It kind of looks like a – what is the – The Playdate. The Playdate. It's made by Tiniage Engineering.

Right. And it's bright orange. Designed by, yeah. And it's got this swiveling camera and all and it's beautiful it's beautiful but it it is the size of a phone yeah yeah well not a whole sort of yeah it's like a galaxy z flip it's big enough to be like it like the humane pin whole thing was that it's like a small thing that connects to you this ai hardware is like it's not your phone but you're not they specifically said this is not getting rid of your phone,

but it still is a phone-ish sized object that you're carrying around, probably exactly how you're carrying your phone around. So just wanted to throw that out there. That is like, yeah, it is about phone size. Marcos, you're gonna need more pockets. Yeah. You're running out of pockets now.

Yeah, I mean, I have to give them some credit. Like there are things about this that actually kind of surprised me and that said okay that makes a lot of sense uh he kept mentioning that the phone was supposed to be a thing that saved you time but actually at this point it's become a thing that just distracts you i have so many thoughts on that yeah i mean i don't think phones are the problem i think that addictive apps are the problem and things like social media apps and maybe either just using your like reduced screen time thing or not having your social media apps on your phone could do this but the big question here is like do you need a dedicated hardware device or

could this one be an app or two won't most of these features probably get added to google assistant and siri within the Siri within the next year? Within the next year, yeah. He was very adamant about saying that apps, like we've had been in this ecosystem that it's app focused and that that than to know exactly how to use every single app which kind of feels like you know our generation and the generation under us is very good at controlling apps yeah so it's one of those weird things where this sounds like it's trying to we've talked multiple times before about large language models being great as assistants because then people can talk to it with normal words and like somebody troubleshooting

something doesn't need to call us they can just ask normally this feel that kind of sounds like they what they're pointing to but it's also new technology that yeah i don't know but um where do i start yeah there's a lot there so a lot of people were saying if this was an app nobody would care about it so they had to make it both a hardware product and they had to make it really cute and fun and that's why they got teenage engineering involved which makes sense i mean it's fair they got i was looking into this company they secured their series a funding round in october two months ago series or three months ago they were they secured their series b funding round in december one month. So this is an extremely new company that's breaking into the scene really, really fast.

It's like, we were joking yesterday, it's like literally the opposite of the Humane AI pen. Where Humane like hypes their product for two years, kind of pivots the point of their product because they were making it before like ChatGPT even came out. And then they added AI to all their stuff afterwards yeah uh whereas this is like it's $200 versus $600 it no subscription there's no subscription required although it does take a sim card tray so if you want it to have access to uh stuff all the time you do have to pay for another cellular plan which sucks um or I guess you could tether off of your phone or use wi-fi more often but you're gonna want to be able to use it whenever wherever yeah so yeah the humane pin is

also a projector under your hand which is a whole bunch of other it's just a whole bunch of whole bunch of other the hilarious part about the humane ai pen is the rabbit ai's entire thing is there are too many taps involved to do something on your phone and the humane AI pen takes even more gestures to do a single task. That's fair. Okay. So I have a bunch of things to talk about. I think the first part is the part where apps take too many taps is debatable. I think if you use the example of calling an Uber, for example, yes, there are a bunch of different apps you can use to call a ride to go somewhere or to do anything. And the setup process, which we're going to touch on is you just connect your rabbit to all of your accounts, your Spotify, your Uber, your Amazon, your eBay, everything.

So it just knows what the AI where to go to do every task. So you need to call an Uber on your phone. And that's open up your phone, open the Uber app, tell it where you want to go, hit confirm, hit UberX, confirm. Yes, I want to go there. And it goes to the GPS location of your phone. Maybe it's five taps or something. I don't know. And the idea with this best case scenario is you open it up and you just say, call me an Uber home. And it's, it's pushed to talk. So it's not listening all the time. So it's nice. You don't need a special keyword. You just talk to it like a human. Call me an Uber home. And it knows, based on your GPS location, where you are, where home is.

And it just finds an Uber, and you just say confirm once, and you're good. So it saved you taps. And it saved you thought, because you just talked to it in a natural way. But what are the chances Uber just improves their app or Google Assistant improves with some API plugs to the point where in two months, it can do exactly what Rabbit can do? Extremely high chance.

I think that's very likely. Yeah. So that was the first thing that came to mind. But then the second thing is, multimodal AI is still really cool. They did this demo of like you pointed out a fridge and hey, what can I make with these vegetables that are stacked up perfectly in this demo of like you pointed out a fridge and hey what can i make with these vegetables that are stacked up perfectly in the front of my perfect

fridge the fridge that only uses the front four inches of each shelf nothing in the drawers everything's everything's in the front what can i make with all vegetables and eggs and they made an omelet yeah you can make you can always make an omelet. Trust me. Yeah, but the multimodal AI thing is still really fascinating because I think in general, that's where we're all going. And prompt engineering has become less and less of a skill and more just, can we make it as easy as possible for the user to just talk to it like normal and get what they want out of it? I think that's all great.

I just think this could be, it could have been a $50 app. I think that's all great. I just think this could be, it could have been a $50 app. I think you're right. And it would have gotten less attention, but it would have been just as useful if I just open up the Rabbit app and just say, call me an Uber. And it does what they want.

Do you remember when SoundHound came out before like Google Assistant was any good? And it was way better than Google Assistant for the time. And then eventually it just kind of got worse and worse because it was better at those context clues um and then eventually it lost relevance yeah because the big players got into it and when i see this i see like this is a small device that has a camera and some processing power it has a 2.3 gigahertz mediatek processor four gigs of memory 128 gigs of storage if i could find something that you still have to pull

out of your pocket and you still have to have your phone you still have to charge and has all day battery yeah all day battery it has a camera if i'm trying to think of something that has internal components that with better specs a better camera better screen that you already that i'm already taking out of my pocket and you're already charging i could do all of this yeah if it had an app to tell it to do all of this if this could be this is or if they just update the existing assistants yeah that's the thing like yeah google google made a big push in like 2021 where they added these api plugs for apps so that you could do things with google assistant i remember they sent me try something they sent me those like self-lacing nike training shoes along with like a my fitness pal like thing

because they launched this plugin with my fitness power you can say hey g add this to my fitness pal and it just does it right so they already have those kind of things but the the missing link right there was the better natural language processing through transformers which will get added to google assistant like within a year yeah this like and this isn't to take away from some of the impressive things that they did software wise and ai wise like the uh lam versus they showed pretty briefly i wish they explained a little more but just kind of like how it can take action in different apps and how it's connected to that and then also that they did the

like watch me do this mid journey and discord which is really cool and you can train it but all of that could be an app on better hardware that you own already because if it's not replacing a phone this can't make phone calls as far as i can tell nobody i think someone said it can make phone calls then it's weird calling it not a phone because it is kind of a phone. Like this is just a different phone. But you don't scroll an existing UI. Yeah. That's yeah. It's not an app based operating system, which is what they were like very adamant about.

Remember when we got new launchers every couple of months, this would have been a sick launcher. This would be a sick launch. Like an on Android phone. If it's just the rabbit launcher and you open it up and it's just a full screen rabbit, which is what they're doing. It's just a full screen rabbit. And you talk to the rabbit. You're like, call me an Uber. And the rabbit bounces a it up and it's just a full screen rabbit, which is what they're doing. It's just a full screen rabbit.

And you talk to the rabbit, you're like, call me an Uber. And the rabbit bounces a few times and it's like, all right, I did it. Yeah. I used,

I used the Uber app behind you and I called you an Uber. Yeah. And now it's working. I want to try something real quick. You want me to try and call? I just want to see if Google is, how, how close is Google assistant get to just doing what this does?

Just call me an Uber home. Call me an Uber to Newark airport. You'd like me to call you by the name an uber to newark airport clearly the context clues are not i'm so glad you guys laughed because i just thought it was right and i was about to hit yes call me and call me an uber to newark airport hi and uber to newark i am google assistant okay so that did not work yeah okay wait regarding the r1 i do have two things i want to say yeah one last year which was only like two weeks ago or three weeks ago i said that the trend of 2024 was going to be colorful things and here we are it's like a bright orange it looks good only one color the best part

about it yeah it looks great the second thing is i feel like just with this and all ai stuff in general it assumes a level of trust that i don't have with like my phone right now like i will call an uber and still look at the map and make sure this guy is coming to me i want to just for if your level of trust is in privacy things because that's what i first thought well okay that's different but what you're mostly saying is execution execution also privacy was a whole other thing but i just mean like will this thing work yes most people don't even trust their technology to do the thing they're doing i also think we have a natural tendency to shop a little bit yeah like yes call an uber is fine if you are not price sensitive to the ride. Get me home.

I don't care. Make it an Uber. But some people also have Lyft and they'll check both. And they had this whole segment in the thing where it was like, plan me a trip. A vacation. Plan me a vacation to London. Let me see some cool sights and let it be a relaxed schedule. And it's like, all right, I've got your flights, your hotel and everything.

I'm like, if you trust it that much. I really don't want to just go to the first option. I'd rather shop. And I think that's a natural tendency. If you were able to just say, call me a car home, make it the cheapest option. I don't care about comfort. And it was able to search Lyft and Uber and then figure out which was cheaper and then call it.

And then you get a one star Uber ride home because it's the cheapest. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff shopping around you kind of want to find that balance an airplane i would never trust it just be like get me a flight there and it's like are we it did say make us all sit together so it's like are we all sitting in the back of the plane in the cheapest flight and i have no carry on the luggage or like yeah you're not for the emergency door yeah right next to the plug so my phone could fly very interesting thing about this product is that it is a universal kind of, it's a universal product that can access any app and do anything theoretically. So we talked a little bit about this earlier, but there's this training mode where effectively it's on your computer. It's like a web-based portal. And you show it a website

that you're trying to interact with or like a service that you're trying to interact with. And you're basically training the AI what it means to interact with that service and the way that you would interact with it. And then once you're done training it, theoretically, you can just use prompts

on your phone or on, not on your phone, maybe in the future on your phone, on the R1. And then it's able to kind of go through that process for you so in the demo that they played in the introduction video they it showed him like creating an image through mid journey through discord and it recorded the session and then when he says create this thing it just pulls up the images on his rabbit it goes

through the whole process because it's like a macro so in the off chance that one of the 20 apps that they support off the bat isn't one of the things you want to use. Yeah. Like let's say they only have Spotify and Apple Music and there's a song you want to listen to on SoundCloud. Well, then you have to train it for SoundCloud. Right.

Do the UI on the computer. Make sure it knows what it means to go to SoundCloud to look for something. And then when you say, R1, play me that song from last night on SoundCloud, it will know what that means and how to do it. Yeah. Because you trained it. I do like that as a concept because Google in June of 2023 released Google Assistant for developers where developers can plug into the Google Assistant so that you can have

an open API where you can have it access your app and do different actions. But APIs for developers are famously, like like this happens all the time. Razor will release some crazy new RGB API and nobody uses it in their game or their application. Like they have a couple of partners that do it at launch and nobody else does it. So being able to theoretically access anything by just training yourself is a very cool concept. Yeah. Now, this is going to be hilarious to see how this actually works in real life because if you train something to do it and then you're out and you have you need it to be able to

do that and then it just doesn't work then you got to pull out your phone and that's a problem or if the ui changes on the site or something changes like if there's one thing i know about macros is that you spend 45 minutes setting it up and then the next week the the website tweaks something a little bit in the background it breaks everything you built right that's just a thing that happens so yeah yeah or the web page is scrolled down by 25 and so it clicks on the wrong thing i will say that feature is the reason it was in my cart for like an hour and i was debating buying it for so long i agree that feature could be sick i think there's like kind of two ways i see this going and in one is this turns into an app on your phone and i think this company gets bought out and some other company uses it in that so i think that's the the way it goes where it makes a ton of money the way it goes where

people buy this r1 hardware product is using the learning thing by figuring out very specific tasks to do that makes their workflow a little easier because i don't think 200 is the worst price the the product looks cool and if you can figure out to some very specific thing that you nail every time adam brought up remember the spotify carplay thing that was like yeah really dumb and no one really wanted it but then people started finding ways to like attach it to their computer as exactly what they want yes side screen like i think people are going to find some like hacky really cool methods using the learning manual or module and this just being a cool looking device yeah some people are gonna do some cool stuff with this is a company that actually should have a uh store

where you can upload your actions that you that other people can just download because that would be really cool if other people could just train it for you and then people can just download because that would be really cool if other people could just train it for you and then you can pull it down my question was also going to be does this live on the hardware like what happens if i buy this thing i teach it a bunch of different macros i'm doing the thing and in a year or two the company goes out of business so they get bought then what does it still work do i need to is it just a pretty paperweight at that point like well it's 200 which is not a small amount of money but i think when you compare to uh like the humane ai

pin they took shots they did a lot they took a lot of shots directly they showed it on screen yeah yeah it's that's a valid question i don't know if that's planned i you know the steam deck stream deck stream the stream deck with a bunch of buttons and you can you can map those buttons That's a valid question. I don't know if that's planned. You know the Steam Deck? Yeah. Stream Deck. Stream Deck. The Stream Deck with a bunch of buttons, and you can map those buttons to macros. I did that. This is like a tiny, internet-connected, beautiful Stream Deck.

Every time we start a new episode, I press a button, and the new folders pop up on my desktop, perfect file structure, all that stuff. But there's certain things also that I do that, with a visual component like this, would be super cool. Yeah. And I'm wondering if this would work. If that teaching process can, can actually work for people, people are going to love it just for that one function. And I think that's awesome. People will spend 200 bucks for that. Uh, edit the whole podcast. Yeah. Hit the button, learn from me editing this episode and edit the next episode. Yeah. Yeah. It'll be, it from me editing this episode and edit the next episode. Yeah.

Yeah. It'll be interesting to see if that ends up being a thing that most people gravitate to. But in the meantime, it is fascinating to see if it can pull off any of these other really broad tasks. I think there's an analogy to like the Palm phone with this device because they don't want it to be, they don't want it to replace your phone, he says, yet. But it can do almost everything that your phone could do. I don't think it can do messaging. If it can't do messaging messaging or calls then that's the problem with it i think is then you

can't so like the one sorry to interrupt a little bit you can still get but like the one thing about the humane pin that i'll give it credit for is like it still has that connectivity so like you i think they're trying to say throw your phone in your backpack like the palm phone get you don't need all the things on your phone when you're walking around you can get some basic things out of a small thing on your but this is like you still need your phone in your pocket because there's still going to be hell even ordering an uber you might need to pull your phone out to know what address you're going to so now you're looking at your phone yeah and speaking into a thing in your other hand well this has a screen though and it can probably show you but can you like search up i guess you could say hey look in my email for

this address i got sent or like something like that yeah yeah yeah this assumes there's a digital trail for everything like what if you just told me about this new pizza place down the block and i'm like oh take me to this and it's like what are you talking about it's got to remember everything it hears sees if it's poking at your email, your calendar, everything. For it to be fully context-aware, it needs the context of all the things a human is supposed to be aware of. They never mentioned phone calls or text messages, right? I guess it said...

I think that you can do phone calls. I remember someone talking about that. So then this is just a phone. Is it? A smaller, cheaper, less powerful phone with much better natural language and a much worse screening camera i'd be willing to try to use this as my phone for a week here's the thing like i like the idea like if if this idea actually got built out and people found use in it and it

and people could use it i would like a premium version of this because this is like a cheap plastic it'd be kind of cool to have like an oled made of metal yeah i'm shocked it looked like an lcd i was definitely an lcd i would love an oled i honestly thought you were joking and you were just gonna list off phone stuff i literally thought you were just joking when you were saying that because i thought that's that's basically what you said if i'm like i just wish this was a phone if i'm just yeah i mean i might just be coping right now if i could if i'm just like gonna go to the city to have drinks with my friends and all i need to do is to be able to i mean i guess i use like apple pay or android pay to be able to google pay to be able to

it's me it's now i want to like pulling this up like pay this cashier 575 and then you like hold it next to the yeah okay that's the other problem that's the other major problem is that everything is voice based is it yeah there's a huge problem they do have a keyboard option that you can type in i think yeah and you have to press on it so it is touchscreen because you have to confirm it's a very small keyboard in that way and so having to talk everything that you want to do when you're around other people is very frustrating. It's a lot of talking. It's a lot of talking.

And listening. Yeah. So it assumes like it basically assumes no social media and no messaging. And the messaging part is the thing that is going to be difficult. So it's supposed to be able to tell your friends are going to be late. But if one of your friends replies. Tell everyone. It will probably speak it out loud and then also show it on screen yeah maybe but does it how would they reply if it's a phone number

a separate oh because it's not your main messaging number it could be a data only sim but maybe it but then yeah that was not really detailed is it android are you green bubble probably i not if you can teach it to be a blue bubble teach it to like scrape they specifically actually they made like a slight at beeper in the keynote which i think was a slight at beeper they said we're not they said we're not taking advantage of tricking their infrastructure yeah tricking other companies infrastructure i was like wow they're taking shots at literally you can tell how recently all this came together how recent the slides are the funny thing yeah yeah it was yeah i don't know it seems actually fairly built out uh the product considering they only got funding in october but um it seems very interesting i mean we've been talking about it for

like 20 something minutes like mission accomplished we have twitter has not i've seen almost nothing on twitter about this well i've seen i've been tagged nothing not paid for yeah some people who are basically tagging me in the keynote being like yeah you gotta review this this is interesting the thing is if google assistant adds this and or siri could just do this yeah then you just don't need another product i don't want to charge another thing you know that's the main thing for me it only lasts a product i don't want to charge another thing you know that's the main thing for me it only lasts a day i don't want to charge another thing and i don't want to pay for another cellular plan just to have another device to give them credit it's been a long time since

siri's gotten meaningfully better yes but i fully agree it feels like google assistant is on the doorstep of doing a lot of stuff this is IO, we're going to see this product launch as Google Assistant. Yeah, and it's going to be orange. In orange mode. This feels like the prime question of product or feature. Yes. I think so. Yeah, 100%.

Yeah. It's like... It's Clubhouse. Clubhouse, yeah. This is the hardware Clubhouse. Wow, that sounds so mean. I'm sorry, Rabbit. I don't mean it like that whoa

yeah platformer feature the thing is is i actually think there's gonna be a really cool like modding community that does some really cool things with this later and it's gonna be a super niche and there's gonna be a million discord servers i'm like okay with that i think it's cool and since it's cheaper that'll i think that'll be the best part yeah probably not what you're looking for as a company with probably hundreds of millions of dollars in capital funded but uh i think it's very smart of them to make it out of really cheap materials for a relatively affordable price because it's an untested kind of product that they don't even know if people want yet or if it'll work and so if they can get it in more people's hands and then the ecosystem gets built out then maybe they turn into a company where they can make more premium versions of it and stuff whereas humane is going like ultra premium

we spent a ton of r&d money on the projector you know and the rabbit still looks better than it yeah although it's still there are still a bit different there obviously are different size ai hardwares that are directly competing with each other. Although, yeah, one has a screen, one has a projector, one's a pin, one's a half of a phone. I have a question. I'm confused. Do you think the Rabbit R1 runs Android? I think it does.

Probably. It almost definitely does. Yeah. Yeah. So it is a green bubble. It's a green bubble. But it's like what? Yeah, definitely. Almost definitely. But would you But it's like what? Yeah, definitely.

Almost definitely. But would you have to do it from? Yeah, I don't know. Would you rather be a green bubble or never message ever? You know what's wild? There's so many questions about this product and it comes out in March. It comes out on Easter. I'm going to try to review it.

I want to try it. I want to try every single prompt that was in the commercial and see exactly what it does. Connect all my accounts and just send it. We're apparently getting a review yet. It's fairly soon. fairly soon i'm gonna try it yeah and not if they listen to this well i want to give them a chance for it to work well it should be awesome no i want to try it for sure i am delighted by the idea i just i am there are so many on that's a great way of putting it if the idea is so delightful and i would love for it to be true i'm just have a hard time believing that's is going to work.

Similar to the VinFast pickup truck at CES. I'm delighted by the idea. Yeah. We'll see. How dare you say that about VinFast? The $200 price tag makes all of these questions far more palatable. Yeah, if this was like $800 everyone would laugh at it.

And no one would buy it. Yeah. Well, we shall see. We'll leave it at that. I feel like we'll learn a lot more. And no one would buy it. But yeah. Well we shall see. All right. We shall see. We'll leave it at that. I feel like we'll learn a lot more. Obviously this pod comes out. You'll all see probably

some more people testing it some videos from CES maybe. We'll keep an eye on all of that but that's basically it for what we wanted to talk about this week. Yeah. Which means that we should

tee it up for trivia. Trivia. So quick update on the score Marquez with 20 Andrew with 14 David with one to let carry the one okay 20 yes also shout out 120 yeah just one carry the 120 shout out to Mariah for holding this down last week while i was on vacation by the way thank you uh you guys know more about crawdads what crawd crawdads oh yeah we got a lot of things wrong about crawdads last week i want to put that out there yeah they triple in size every month apparently they triple in volume volume it's double double and double double in volume it's

not exponential growth there are not 30 meter crawled crawdads as excited as for anyone who believes that yeah as pumped as i was to realize in the moment that there were 30 meters across yeah no just volume i wish okay okay i don't know if you want to say it but do you want to say a special thing that happened while you were gone? I was on vacation and I got engaged to my lovely girlfriend, Jessica. Not your girlfriend anymore. You can't call her that.

Now she's my fiance. Yeah. Thank you. You have to get used to two things. You have to get used to saying my fiance and get used to writing 2024. It's going to take a while. Everyone has to start writing Adam's fiance. All right.

First question. The Apple Vision Pro external battery pack is stated at 2 to 2.5 hours with an asterisk. Those four things that they use to test the battery life are video playback, internet browsing, spatial video capture,

and what popular Apple first party app do you think the vision pro can have multiple timers do you think the vision pro has a calculator if it has a calculator but the ipad doesn't that'd be so funny i would love that i would love that they are video playback internet browsing spatial video capture and what popular apple first party app okay flip them and i feel very confident so now i'm worried i wrote two things okay yeah all right i put photos apple photos nope i put facetime correct i also wrote facetime Dang. I had also written messaging because I wasn't sure if it was both or just FaceTime.

I was going to put messages. Because FaceTime takes a lot of data and stuff. That's what I would think. I would also think that spatial video would take a lot. So it's surprising that Apple actually... Because video playback is like... Playback is nothing. Capture is a little more. But in terms of doing battery

life, you're spending way more time on facetime than you're spending on that's what taking a video or but that means that it'll have better if maybe they're over under promising and over delivering that would be nice because i assume if i just safari browse or just watch a movie it'll last longer than two two and a half hours yeah i just found it funny that it thinks that those are the four most popular things people are going to be doing that doesn't mean that at all that just means that they thought that's a good number i'm sure they have data that shows oh i bet they're you know if you read they don't just pick things they're gonna push pages for the way apple measures uh iphone battery life yeah and it's very often like web browsing video playback a couple things that they know will last a long

time and just a cycle of like fourth and they're like things that people do on your phone yeah but very but spatial video capture i'm not sure yet how intensive that is why include that they pushed facetime real hard in the yeah keynote though like because you get to make your whole like 3d face of everything your avatar yeah all right yeah that was first question second question um which of these isn't a real kind of horsepower a drawbar horsepower b waterwheel horsepower c electric horsepower or d boiler horsepower there's a bunch more too which was interesting there's like seven or eight that i saw on the wikipedia page whoa break horsepower yeah we need some new markers in here dang we do i'm trying to channel my inner ellis while he's on the ces show floor

which of these is not real? All right, flip them and read. We all put electric. You all put electric horsepower? Yeah. Really? I thought it was a trick question. Electric horsepower? Electric horsepower is the power output is ordinarily stated in watts or kilowatts in the United States.

The power output is stated in horsepower, which for this purpose is defined as exactly 746 watts that's electric horsepower 700 i just assumed there was obviously watts i didn't really i guess yeah people usually just say it's x kilowatts yeah that would be like 0.7 i thought it was like trick question where like we do consider the power from electric to be horsepower but you call it something different when you're calling i was hoping that would trick you the reason i picked it was because all of the cars that are electric that are out now we just rate in horsepower so like why wouldn't we rate it an electric horse a lot of them will have a slide that just says oh we 200 kilowatts or i thought i said like equivalent horsepower it is yeah there's no there's an equation to get from kilowatts to horsepower but is it called electric horsepower yep well what's the the fake one that i made up was waterwheel horsepower that

sounds wow i was pretty i was pretty into that i was pretty convinced about like a the boat i had a whole explanation the power a waterwheel would give in a stream of water moving at 10 meters per second after one full rotation of 360 degrees. That would have thrown me off. 10 meters per second is really fast. Maybe 1 meter per second. We got got, though. Good job.

I hope we all learned something today, both about VinFast and electric horsepower. And CLTC. And CLTC. Everything is just an acronym. Rabbit R. And CLTC. And CLTC. Everything is just an acronym. Rabbit R1. It's R1.

It's VinFast. It's LAM, Large Action Model. It's Apple Vision Pro, Headstrap. It's Waveform. It's Waveform. It's W-V-F-R-M, baby. Or W-A-V-E-F-O-R-M-E. That's not an acronym.

That's not how you spell it yeah take us out marquez anyway thanks for watching thanks for listening thanks for tuning in thanks for subscribing and catch you guys next week peace bye waveform is produced by adam melina and ellis robin we're partnering with vox media podcast network and our intro outro music was created by vane sill And with that, we'll talk about rabbits now. Dude, foxes are terrifying. That's a fox now? They can go, yeah, they literally just scream. That is actually scary. No, that's a fox now they can go yeah they literally just scream that is actually scary

no that's a hyena no no there's a video of a fox just like there's fox giggling they do that for like a prolonged amount of time and it's awful