Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - The WWDC 25 Episode!

Episode Date: June 13, 2025

It's Apple week! This week, Marques, Andrew, and David dig deep into all of the new software updates coming to Apple's products. They start it off talking about iOS and Liquid Glass before going over iPadOS, macOS, and everything in between. It's a fun one! Enjoy. ⁠⁠Vox Media survey!⁠⁠ Links: MKBHD - WWDC Recap video ⁠Tom’s Guide - WWDC video WSJ - Joanna Stern interview Music provided by Epidemic Sound Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Social: Waveform Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Waveform Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en Hosts: Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

They drizzled it all across. Is that the right word? Drizzled? I think they don't. Megan Fox just emailed me. Sorry. OK, we'll read it for the class. It's for a beeper party. Anyway.

No, no, no, no, no. Now we need to know. You can't just leave that. You need to read that email. Just park that on the side and move on. It's from Megan Fox. Is it the real Megan Fox or is it like, it's like Megan Fox. Well, she is real.

Yo, what is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. This was WWDC week. Apple had their software announcement festivities slash,

and I don't know what you want to call it. Party, baby. It's a developer conference, had their software announcement festivities slash, and I don't know what you want to call it. It's a developer conference, but it's also like unveiling a bunch of new stuff. Rager. And yeah, there's lots to talk about. There's liquid glass. There is iPad turning into a computer finally. Guys, I can't understand.

I didn't do anything. You didn't say it yet. Fake workout buddies. Everything's computer. Everything is a computer. Um, lots of thoughts. This is the place where we give all of our thoughts. We've also, you have, you said you have the developer beta.

On everything. On everything? On everything. Okay, perfect. I've gotten some hands on time with iOS, iPadOS, MacOS, all these developer betas, the liquid glass across all of them. I have a video I'll show you of my new scanned persona. Oh.

Oh. From the Vision Pro. That got more interesting than I thought it would. I wanna see it, yeah. I'll show you guys the video first up. Let's do it. Of my new persona. We're just going straight into it?

Yeah, I'll show you. Subscribe if you wanna see Marques's new persona. Yeah. What animal are you? This is my new Vision OS. Your new high-def. Vision OS. My Vision OS 26 persona.

Realistic Mimoji. This is my new Vision Pro persona. That's what you just said. I feel like I'm looking in the mirror. Was this taken at like in a briefing? And better looking in. So the textures are better, the face shape is not quite right.

Your nose is very broad. Do your lips move accurately? Your face is wider. I think the skin tones and little sub variations in the skin tone and texture are more accurate and then the rest is about the same. The face shape is like wider than your actual face shape. I think so, yeah.

Yeah, a little bit. The cutout also reminds me of, what was the Google thing? Star... Star bit. The cutout also reminds me of, what was the Google thing? Starline? Starline, it reminds me of Starline one cutout of like, that's pretty good, but the more you look at it, the more blocky and chopped off, like old bad portrait mode. Yeah.

Yeah. Wait, Marques, could you drop that video in the Slack for the big ballers? Already uploading? Sweet. Yes, so yeah, I guess we can talk about any number of these OS's. They're all labeled version 26 now. So if you were thinking, oh, this is only the third Vision OS,

oh, we know. It's just they call it Vision OS 26 now because they're all 26. We talked about this last week, how it feels futuristic even though it comes out during 2025. I mean, who doesn't want iOS 26 at WWDC 25? Exactly. On the Galaxy S25 Ultra. So on brought up an interesting point, I mean who doesn't want iOS 26 at WWDC 25 exactly on the galaxy s 25 ultra so on a broad finishing point are they gonna call the new iPhone the iPhone?

26 now because it's gonna be a little awkward to have the iPhone 17 running iOS 26. They're gonna call it the iPhone 9 Okay, well, it didn't match before though. Yeah true Yeah, I don't think before though. Yeah. True. Yeah, I don't think they're going to. I don't think they will. Okay, so iPhone 17, iOS 26. We'll see. Yes.

We should play this bet, now we'll see. Yeah, I guess we'll start speaking of a bet. Yeah. What was our over under last week for how many times they'd say Siri? I think it was four. Yeah, it was four, 4.5 or something. And I said under.

It turns out they said the word Siri two times total during the entire 90 minute presentation, that main keynote. It was right off the riff. And it was right at the beginning and it was back to back and then they just didn't say the word again. They like weirdly went, here's all the things Apple intelligence brought.

And there was like this big list that looked really impressive at first, the word again. They like weirdly went, here's all the things Apple Intelligence brought. And there was like this big list that looked really impressive at first, but really it was a lot of very simple things. And then I have the quote here. It's just, we introduced enhancements that makes Siri more natural, more helpful. And as we've shared, we're continuing our work to deliver more features to Siri to make it even more personal. This work needed more time to reach our high quality bar. And we look forward to sharing more in the coming year. Yeah, so there was an interview that was done with Craig Federichy by Tom's guide

that it's very, it's like 30 minutes long, it's very good, you should go watch it. But he talks about it more in depth in there and he effectively said they had two architectures for like the AI Siri and architecture one was working, but it wasn't like the architecture wasn't implemented across the whole system or something like that. And so it was working and it was work for most things, but it didn't meet their quality standards. And he said, as soon as they realized they needed to use the second architecture, they knew it was

going to take way longer. And they immediately told everybody it's not ready. I heard a similar answer from Craig talking to Joanna Stern in a Wall Street Journal video, something about stage one was good enough to demo. Stage two took way too long. Yeah. Great. I mean, this is basically all we got as far as I'm addressing Siri in their main presentation, or at least the shortcomings of Apple Intelligence in the main presentation. And then they quickly moved on to just showing a ton of other stuff,

which in my opinion was, it was a lot. It was quite a bit. I think it was enough to have some thoughts and some meat to chew on while we also wait for the rest of Apple Intelligence stuff and more AI features. I think the way that they addressed it was actually very smart,

because they kind of took the like, bad is forever and delay is temporary approach just saying like we want this to be good we have quality standards just wait for it i think that's always the best way to delay things honestly uh how it affects their stock price i have no idea it didn't do very well i don't think when it got announced you know that's how it is anyway well we could talk about any number of these 26 versions of OS first, but I think the one that most people want to talk about is iOS 26. Yeah.

So we should probably just jump in there. So. Liquid. New, yeah. Liquid, liquid glass everywhere. Liquid glass is the new aesthetic that is specifically the transparent and refractive,

almost material design of all of these buttons and toggles and materials, the lock screen, the clock, the fonts, the windows, the everything. And it's taking after a lot of what we've seen in Vision Pro. So I am mixed on it. I've seen screenshots of it that look really good. I've seen screenshots of it that look really bad. I think the parts that look really good to me

are like extra clean and look pretty minimal and they're like buttons hiding out of the way and nice animations and things pop in and out and the physics are nice and I'm sure the haptics match. The parts that looked really bad are, okay, so there's this thing, and I talked about this briefly in videos, it's not super complicated.

When you're editing a video and you're putting text in it, you try to find like a clean place in the video to put the text, right? And if you don't have any clean place to put the video, you can put a little background, like a little soft white or soft black so that you can put the text on it and it's contrasty and it's readable.

If you don't, you can't read the text very well. And so with all this transparency, there are many instances that I saw where Apple is trying to do this really clever, like dynamic switching of light on dark background and dark on light background. So you'll scroll past a dark album art cover and all the UI elements that you have like floating

in this glass above it turn light so that they stay readable. And then you go past it to some white empty space and all of that stuff flips to dark so that it stays readable. And they try to do this really quickly and smoothly so that you don't really notice, but it's always readable. But there are so many instances of like scrolling or being halfway between a dark and a light

where things just look weird and hard to read. Yeah, it's definitely relying a lot on the system to acknowledge what's on the screen. Obviously I'm on the first developer beta and it's not bugging right now, probably because I have this like dark widget near the top. And that dark widget is not there. Most of the time, the text just, it's almost unreadable.

It actually darkens the background to allow it to be a little more readable. I think one of the primary problems right now that they may change once they do more developer betas is that the text is white on top of a mostly white translucent background on top of a light background. So it darkens the background automatically, but it doesn't always do that. And honestly, it's been not doing that most of the time. Um, and I, again, I only think it's doing that cause I have a black widget that's counting down right now.

I think, yeah. Our designers were very surprised when they first saw that they're like, that does not meet the like contrast standards or whatever that they, you know, went to school for. Yeah, it's bold. It's bold. It strikes me as a design that a lot of people

are not going to copy. Some definitely will, they always do. But like Apple showed an all clear, all glass home screen setup where you have whatever wallpaper you want and then all of your icons are clear, all your widgets are clear, everything is clear. That doesn't feel, that feels like a skin

like I installed on top of my phone. Everyone was comparing it to like old Android skins from like 10 years ago. Yes, it's the look of the year. I don't know if this is gonna age very well. I don't want an all clear setup. I mean, it's cool if you love your wallpaper, but like I need to be able to read the icons and the text.

So yeah, that didn't look great to me. Liquid glass in general, I think is like very technically beautiful and impressive. And you can see like the light bending around certain elements and things like that and light refracting and it's awesome to look at. But practically on a phone, it's so distracting. It's so much.

I thought for a lot of the things, it besides the transparent on transparent one, looks good. The dark mode icons that still had that sheen to it and a little bit of like depth I thought those looked like I think there was a dark mode photos Like icon that looked

Really really good. Yeah, and like just looking at David's phone right now He's going through it when you had the just your lock screen up like yeah the background pieces looking once it like opens up and it kind of has this like sheen to the edges of all the background pieces and the time fits really nicely and that looks really good. Yeah. But then the transparent on transparent is the one we're all looking at because it's the most obvious. I think that looks terrible. Yeah. Yeah.

There are new icon designs across the board. There is a new, I mean, we'll get to other OS's in a second, but there's there's a new camera icon. There's a new phone icon Slightly different looking icons that all still look familiar, but are just a little bit different. Yeah Yeah, I would say it looks a lot like iOS 7 which I'm kind of Digging in a strange way. I can kind of acknowledge that the design is not fantastic or like it's not really what people expect

for right now in design history. But I do like that it's opinionated. Because now we have material three expressive which is very opinionated and we have this which is very opinionated. The surprise that I had was- Not opinionated and we have this which is very opinionated the surprise that I had not opinionated rebellious remember right

Yeah, I lost my chair. Yeah, sorry, dude It's okay. Oh, it is more cartoony than I expected Cuz it was a lot of bubbles just like the icons and she Shapes they they look really big on your. They are big. Okay, that in itself feels pushing me. Okay. That's an option.

I need you guys to Google SpongeBob Bubble Buddy. We don't have to. We don't have to. I could sit in my own picture. Yeah, that's the new control. Pretty much, yeah. Was it Ellis who said this should have been called stained glass?

I think you said that. No, that would have been sick. Well, you could you said that. No, that's what it was. Okay. Well, you could have taken credit for it because it makes way more sense. Not my style. I don't know. Photos app looks great. I actually think that Spotify app looks really good.

But I mean, my favorite part about this is every time any company tries to make all icons on a homepage look the same, there's always a couple apps that just don't match it. And I've seen a bunch of people post stuff already like the chat GPT app is just still a plain white app. And the minute one icon doesn't match all the other ones, none of them match. It happens every time. They also, so I think it was last year

that they introduced the tinted icons or was that two years ago? I think it might have been two years ago. Maybe it was two years ago. And those I still, I think that's even more of a case of like in like one or two instances you can make it look decent, but otherwise it looks terrible. They also introduced this new clear one

that they decided to highlight a lot for some reason. I just, it's hard to distinguish anything. I do not know what they were thinking with that. No, yeah, I think that's the one we were saying, that one makes the least sense out of all of it. It's the most eye-catching. It's the reason everyone used it in their thumbnail. It's gonna age the fastest.

It looks bad, though. Like, you can't, in all the thumbnails, I'm like, I don't know what app that is. I don't know what app that is. It's just confusing. This is also maybe, and we can move on from it in a second, but this may also be a thing where when app developers who have third-party apps,

they update their app icons, maybe they'll be a little bit more legible. Because as of right now, Apple's own apps, they've designed for this. And if they're not designed for this, then they can be automatically converted, but maybe they aren't as contrasty as they could be. So we can give it time. It's a public beta, or it's aren't as contrasty as they could be. Right. So, well, you can give it time.

It's a public beta, or it's a developer beta now. It's very early. Yeah. We'll see. I also want to say that using their stock wallpapers, all this stuff looks good, but using your own wallpapers, it looks much worse. Exactly, that's what I'm thinking.

It looks much worse. Legibility is gonna be challenging. I think that they designed some wallpapers that are just a couple of colors that are also glassy and everything kind of works well together and they're dynamic so that it gets darker in certain times. But when you use your own wallpapers, it's like.

It's like when, remember when they first introduced the notch, all their wallpapers were very dark on the top. So you like, you couldn't see it. They know what they're doing. Oh, they know what they're doing. For sure. They know the things that aren't quite perfect and how to make them look fantastic.

Yeah. And then you put a picture of your kid up and it looks terrible. Yeah. Yeah. I Ellis also watched I was watching dub dub like the rest of us and was sort of like unimpressed by the liquid glass thing but on Twitter Uh this guy who works for apple is an interface designer named Sean Karunamani, who worked on Liquid Glass, posted this quick 45 second video of just sort of demonstrating

some of the things it can do, which I left in the show notes if you want to watch it yourself. And it actually completely changed how I felt about Liquid Glass because I sort of saw it in the same way I saw a Windows Aero or Mac or like Aqua as like this overarching design language. But I think it's actually much more of a lighting engine because when you look at this sort of, it's all these closeups of buttons and stuff. And really what it enables you to do in your interfaces

is have three point lighting because there's specular highlights on all the, like you actually get real rim lighting effects. And I feel like what this actually brings to the table, I'm not like an expert 3D renderer guy, I just sort of fool around with it. But things like rim lighting can be really intensive, like compute wise.

And so if Apple figured out a way to like optimize a lot of these facts, like diffusion, specular highlights, things like that, and then package it in a way that developers can implement it really easily, a la our Vision Pro episode and talking about all these sort of APIs that they give developers. I don't believe they discussed APIs

and like the 20 minute liquid glass specific talk, but I would be curious in about six to 12 months interviewing a bunch of developers and learning about how, A, how hardware intensive these lighting effects are, and then B, how as a developer you're given the support to make your stuff this. I don't know, watching this 45 second thing really changed my opinion on it to be like yeah

Actually, these are some potentially really powerful visual effects that might be packaged in a way that Enables them to really be everywhere. Yeah, TX on I agree that The more I've watched from Apple itself the more impressed I am with how powerful and how I'm more impressed I am with how powerful and how intricate a lot of these effects are. If you've seen people do the like cursor hovering effect instead of just being a bubble, it has like clear shape to the edges of the bubble. So the light sort of refracts differently

around the edges versus the center, all these little things. We're like on sliders where the rim, excuse me, on sliders when the rim lighting like on where you are in the sliders. Which by the way, for the Mac with the touch bar, they actually updated the touch bar to have like liquid. There's still a touch bar? That's funny. On the Mac, well the one that is.

The old one? The old one. They updated the touch bar to be a liquid glass touch bar. That's so funny. Interesting. But you know, I see all of that and on one hand, I can be both impressed by how intricate and how powerful these effects are in real time.

And also think about, you know, your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't think about whether or not they should. Yeah. Some people are gonna make some really sick, like themes and stuff on there. And like with a great wallpaper that all matches and their home screens are gonna make some really sick like themes and stuff on there and like with a great wallpaper that all matches

and their home screens are gonna look incredible. And then some of our parents are gonna turn on the fully transparent one and try and call us to be like, why can't I not read? And I can't just see through what the hell is this? Yeah, it's one of the questions that it's like, if the average user can't make it look good, is it good design?

Which if we're judging the average user, the iPhone is the phone to judge the average user on. Like the most normal people are using it. But what if I want everything to look like a tennis ball? Did you call me a normie? Real quick, did you notice when they introduced liquid glass, they called it an entirely new expressive material. When that happened, Adam was like,

material, expressive, baby. I thought that was very funny. Material three, expressive. Expressive. That's funny. Yeah, so they kind of, they drizzled it all across, is that the right word, drizzled? I think they don't.

Megan Fox just emailed me. Sorry. Okay, we'll read it for the class. It's for a beeper party. Anyway. No, no, no, no, no. Now we need to know. You can't just leave that.

You need to read that email. Just park that on the side and move on. This is from Megan Fox. Is it the real Megan Fox or is it like, it's a Megan Fox? She is real. I mean, she knows you're on this podcast, right? She's gonna email you.

She has to know this could be. We've got big beeper news to share, David. Ask her what Shia LaBeouf was like on set. There's a beeper party? OK, sorry. OK. They sprinkled liquid glass all over the interface, including the camera app.

And there are sort of like all these different ways that they can show liquid glass. They have this developer talk where they basically talk about where you should use the elements on top of each other and if you should use it on a dark background versus a lighter background. All this stuff.

State of the platforms, which was right after and it was very interesting. Platforms, state of the union was good. That's not what I'm talking about though. They had a 20 minute just liquid glass deep dive for developers. Oh, just on liquid glass? Yeah, that was quite good.

But in the camera app, they've simplified it a lot. So now it only really shows like two buttons at the same time, photo and video near the bottom. But if you swipe around, all of a sudden it expands. So I think last week I mentioned that I anticipated that they were going to be sort of playing off the dynamic island as the way to Like expand liquid glass, which is kind of the same idea

It takes like one thing and then it kind of like dynamically expands and contracts out So you can now just do this you can swipe around it and it gets bigger and then it'll shrink and if you want to Get into more settings because everything is hidden now You just tap on this on the mode that you're on and it brings up more settings. Or swipe up. Wait, I have to explain this to audio listeners because I feel like it's a little confusing.

There's, so on the bottom of the camera app, there's a cutout with two options, photo and video, and one is highlighted. You have to hold down on that to start swiping and then that expands horizontally and then all the other modes come up. Then it shows you cinematic mode, portrait mode, all the other stuff.

Can I see something real quick? I just wanna try. So if I just click between these two, oh, okay. You can click and it opens up. You can also just swipe. You can start by swiping. So my worry was if you can just click between both of these,

so many people are never gonna know there's other options but it previews the extra options a little bit. So that actually is a good. You tap video once and it sort of expands to show some more options. It shows those options on both sides. So I think it's sort of like teaching you that you're able to swipe around. I do think people are going to have a hard time finding the settings part on clicking the thing that's already selected. But I'm imagining that Apple has a bunch of data that just says like 99% of people

use photo and video mode only. Portrait mode is one that I assume a lot of people still use. Isn't it like automatic portrait mode now? Or something like that. You can stack afterwards. Yeah, automatically if you take a photo of a subject, which it identifies as a subject, just people or animals,

it automatically takes the depth information required to turn it into a portrait later. Yes. So you might as well not even think about it anymore. Yeah, don't even worry. Swiping between options down here and having it like the words kind of like refract on the sides is really nice.

That's a good. I am not a fan of this camera redesign at all. It looks beautiful, but it's so not practical. It's like the Sigma camera. It's not a fan of you either. Well, okay. Again, there's two types of people who use their camera. Right and wrong.

Type of person number one, mainly, and I think what you said, David, is true with the data, they mainly just open the camera app, take a picture and leave. Or they open the camera app, flip it to a selfie. I took probably 500 selfies this past two days and I observed a lot of camera behavior in the last two days.

And it's people just opening the camera, swipe, swipe, take a selfie, close it. Like I saw that many times. Sorry, do you remember when we were doing the old blind test, someone from Google reached out and said that like 80% of people don't even tap the screen to focus. They just take the photo. They just frame it up, hit the shutter.

It's wild. That's it. And so that's one type of person. And I think this camera app is great for that type of person because it simplifies it. It hides the buttons they were gonna accidentally press and mess up their settings. For the other type of person, Adam, you and I,

I wanna switch to 60 FPS sometimes, or 30, or I wanna switch to 4K sometimes. 60? Yeah, once in a while. I might be doing a slow-mo orbit and I'm gonna turn it down to 30 later. I have buttons and things that I need to press a little more often,

and this hides all that UI, and so it is a little bit less convenient for that second type of person. I actually talked to Sebastian DeWyeth, who who makes Halide and he said he was really happy about the camera update because it makes it even simpler so Halide looks like even more of a Pro app. I was going to say Halide is like the perfect interface. For me, I like want the buttons everywhere.

That is really funny. Remind me to bring that up later when we talk about Raycast because I feel the exact same way about that. But I also think with this camera stuff that there are people that are just regular, open up the camera, take a picture, put it away, that one out of every 10 times do want to take a slow-mo video.

Like, oh, the dog is running around a yard. Where is the slow-mo? And then they have to go looking for it. Those features are popular. I argue most of those people don't even know those features. Yeah, they don't even know. I disagree.

That's why Google Photos does all that stuff automatically. That's like my grandma knows those features exist. My mom does not know those features. I think people understand that they can take these photos with their phone, and even if nine out of 10 times they're not doing that, they know that they have the ability to, and now that ability is hidden. Won't you be able to ask Siri how to do things

inside of your phone? No. No, Siri. I don't know, I don't feel like my mom and dad know that there are more than the camera in the video. Well, Adam's about to have a video feature. No, they do because it's all over the place. You see it, they don't choose it maybe,

but like it's there. Yeah, it'll just happen and my dad will complain to me that it did it on its own. Something else. It's true. Something else they added, this is very cool, where it's quite ironic because they had aligned the camera specifically for like, for like vision for the parallax for vision pro. They now have a spatialized button that you can use on any image. It's kind of incredible.

It's pretty incredible. So I took this photo in San Francisco. Look how instantly it spatializes it. So for those who aren't, again, watching the video or can't see this, there's a button that you can press to turn any regular photo with a foreground and a background into a like movable, like 3D looking image where it sort of creates parallax

with the background and interprets what it thinks is behind things so you can move around and peek around the image. It uses generative fill and it's like. It's really good. Really good. David, your phone is cooking right now. Oh, it's so hot.

It's so hot. Oh, it's very hot. I'm definitely gonna do a short on this later cause this is, it was super impressive and you could do this in the Vision Pro as well. This is an Apple intelligence feature, basically. Look at this one, look at this one. That's really good.

Is that not amazing? That's wild. And I understand that this is kind of gimmicky. It's just to do for fun and- But as a lock screen wallpaper, that's kind of cool. You can use it as a lock screen wallpaper, right? I mean, that's amazing. We're back to Android 4, baby.

I love that. We're bringing back all the crazy, weird, gadgety features that we had in like Android 5 my wallpaper move Oh, it's a good five years will be like, it's so Look out the depth is crazy. Can I ask a question about the camera? Yeah, what is the Is the interface for the like camera button? What was that called? Not camera, but camera control control works Still hidden. What's still hidden. What does it look like when you slide on the side? Oh, the same.

It's the same as it used to. It's not liquid glass. It has diffraction on the bottom and the top. Okay. Yeah, everything's a little more glassy. Yeah, I do hit that accidentally all the time. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Two new phone app features. Right. Call, screening. I mean, I use this on my Samsung and Pixel phones all the time. And hold for me. They're not called that.

They're not called that, but they're exactly what they sound like. It will let you, so actually distinction, on the Pixel, every call I get, I can decide to screen it or not. So if I'm getting an unknown number, I can screen it. If I'm getting UPS, I can screen it. If I'm getting David, I can be like,

yeah, let's screen him too. Or not, if I don't want to. I have an emergency, Marques. But on the iPhone, it is a setting you can turn on or off where either nothing gets screened or all unknown numbers get screened. And so if you turn on, all unknown numbers get screened and some random person And so if you turn on all unknown numbers get screened and some random person calls you

and you don't know who it is, it won't ring your phone until it picks up and it literally like a Siri-like voice goes, hi, I am like here to listen to whatever you have to say and deliver the message to the person and they might answer. And then they talk and then it gets transcribed and shown on your screen, then your phone rings.

So you check your phone and it's an unknown number with a message on the screen from what they said to that assistant. And then you can pick up or not. My dream. Or deliver a nice little, this person doesn't wanna talk to you message and it will just hang up for you, which is funny.

Anyway, I like it, this is built in. All unknown numbers? Either none or all unknown numbers. I can't tell if I think that's great or terrible. It's pretty broad. It's terrible. I think it's terrible. Hey, well, it's funny because there's some unknown numbers where I. I can't tell if I think that's great or terrible. It's pretty broad. It's terrible. I think it's terrible. Hey, well there is, it's funny

cause there's some unknown numbers where I'm waiting for a call, like an insurance adjuster or something like that. And I just needed to pick up. And there are others where it's just a spam call and it's clearly not gonna get through. Not gonna get through. Which is great. 90% yeah.

So. I feel like there's a lot where you're like expecting a call from somebody, but not someone that I've already saved their number into my phone. And if Lane's daycare, if I just see a call from, I'm not gonna- That should be saved, Andrew. Docs myself, but like, well no,

cause the teachers have different phones. They might just be calling from their own phone. So if I see it from that area, I'm probably gonna pick up thinking like, oh, she might be sick. Yeah, but I get a lot of phone calls from my home area code that are all spam. That's true, but I feel like,

and the amount of people though, the thing on top of that is the amount of people who then hear the like robot voice are just like, was this the wrong number? Am I hanging up before they even know? Yeah, for sure. It does instantly pick up. So your phone, the phone, when you call,

I got a demo of this, it barely even rings. So you, unknown person calls you, as soon as they like connect, it just goes, hi, I'm Siri, I'm listening, like tell me what you need to know. And then you can say whatever you want and the person will get a transcript. I think it's great.

Wait, I have an Android question. Because now, call me Marques Brownlee, I'm using Android and iOS at the same time right now. Very nice. But I found that on the Android phone I'm using, if someone calls me from an unknown number, and that number is listed, is associated with a business in Google Maps,

it won't show me the number, it'll just show me the name of the business. Is that like standard across all? Most Android phones, yeah. Yeah, yeah. That doesn't always work perfectly like that. Oh really? It's worked 100%.

Anyway, that's what made me feel like I didn't need call screening. I feel like I'd rather have that than have a call. But even like a random delivery person where it won't show up as UPS, but it's a delivery guy needs to get in touch with someone. Oh, the poor DoorDash people have to talk to Siri every time, it's like, I'm at your door, please.

That's the example. That's the example they gave. In the keynote, it was, hi, this is Greg downstairs with a flower delivery. I'll wait another minute before I have to move on to the next one. Yeah, but by the time you actually pick up the minutes over. Yeah.

Can I just say my favorite subplot of this podcast in the last couple of weeks has been Ellis discovering Android features in real time. That's what dub dub felt like. Yeah, that's what it's like. Strap it, there's a lot more coming. Yeah. There's a lot more coming.

I do also think it's very beautiful that Google literally has, they have had this for so long that people have just solidified the naming schemes that Google have given these features. So I was in a briefing where they were talking about all these features, and someone was like, can you explain how call screening works?

And they're like, so it's not called call screening. It's called this new thing. It was amazing. Yeah. The other one is Hold Assist is what they're calling it. Yeah, they said hold for me too. Yeah, hold for me is the Google branded version. But you're on a call, and you go, it's like 20 minutes of hold music. I don't feel like waiting. You just they said hold for me too. Yeah, hold for me is the Google branded version, but you're on a call and you go,

it's like 20 minutes of hold music, I don't feel like waiting. You just have it hold for you and as soon as somebody picks up, it will ring you and you can join the call again. So good. Thanks for holding for me. So good.

So those are nice. What else is new to iOS 26? Well, in the phone app, there's also a new phone app design. So it shows like, there's now a contacts cards, like favorites list at the top. I like that it's all together now. Which is nice.

Yeah. Yeah, they redesigned it a little bit. It's a lot simpler. There's only like three things at the bottom now and then a little search bar has the new liquid glass design. And they also separated calls, miss calls, voicemails, spam into these little sub menus. So this is actually a theme throughout quite a bit

of the OS where they have created these sub-menus for things that you probably don't wanna deal with. For example, segue into Messages app. In the Messages app, thank you. Very good. In the Messages app, they've also included the sub-menu that really is the hamburger menu, but tilted 90 degrees. And when you click it, it also now has a unknown senders folder.

We what? Yeah. And the messages that for like a hamburger menu tilted 90 degrees. Oh, no, it's not tilted. No, it's it's just a hamburger menu, but it's not it's like all even. It's cascading. Yeah. So it's different. I was just laughing at like hamburger menu, like cheeseburger, bacon burger, like it just, the pork menu and like a food item.

The pork burger. But anyway, so yeah, now I think that a big theme of this that is like unspoken is that they're trying to get, they're trying to fight like spammers basically. So just like in the phone app, how they had like the unknown senders thing and they have all those features where unknown senders can't get to you,

they now have a like spam and unknown senders folder that are here. They also have a filter for unread, which is very nice. So everything will trickle to the top. And yeah, it's different now. I keep getting tripped up because there's a search button at the bottom now, which you have to click to like be able to find other people. And it used to button at the bottom now, which you have to click to be able to find other people,

and it used to be at the top. But overall, I really like the messages redesigned. Also, if you wanna see something really chaotic, they added backgrounds. They added backgrounds. Inside of an iMessage thread. I have this Aurora. That took longer to load than I would have liked.

Oh yes, it did, baby. Maybe a beta thing. So we have a live Aurora going on here. They have live, a lot of this really feels like early Android stuff. Well, this is WhatsApp, just basically them adding feature, like the multiple people in a group chat typing indicators, just things other group chats have had for a while.

Yeah, polls. Backgrounds, polls, all these things that you could do in other chat apps that you can now do in iMessage. things other group chats have had for a while. Yeah, polls. Backgrounds, polls, all these things that you could do in other chat apps that you can now do in iMessage. You can't wait to see what Android people get in a group message that gets sent to poll. Actually, can you test it right now?

Can you send a poll? Yeah, throw me and Andrew in a group chat and see what the poll looks like. It won't show up for Andrew, right? Well, am I gonna get a message that's like, David posted a poll, A, B, C, and all different messages. Reads out everyone's votes one by one. That would be horrible actually.

That would be very funny, okay. While David sets that up, we have been avoiding the elephant in the room. So I'm glad that we've gotten to this point. Live translation. It's the year of live translation. 2025, we didn't know it was gonna happen so fast, but clearly-

One of us did. Yeah, on device models are proving useful in messages, FaceTime and phone. In all of the ways you're imagining, you can now have a conversation with someone who speaks a different language. It will understand what you're saying and translate it in your voice, and then understand what the other person's

saying and translate it so that you can hear it. Boom, anyone in the world can talk to anyone in the world through the live translate feature. Was it anyone in the world? It's not all. I just want to say, it's only like seven languages. As the biggest believer and strongest backer of live translation, as someone who's been in the trenches rooting for this hand over fist for years,

you're welcome, world. Yes, German. You know, I think because of me bringing this about, all wars will end, will achieve world peace at like a record rate. No one will be hungry anymore. All those translation errors. Because of, yeah, because that's where it all went wrong. Now we just gotta make sure everyone has AirPods

and an iPhone and is willing to like read stuff. Yeah. Lost me on the last one. Okay, can one of you text me in German? I did already. Would you do text? Well, it's still downloading the language. Yeah, it is. Look, there's no point in me being defensive here, right? Like I've been kind of getting mopped up in the past few weeks on my on my live translation take, but I will. I do want to say, you know, it is a little bit like they just kind of I don't wanna say, you know, it is a little bit like they just kind of did voice to text and then Apple Translate and then our voice.

What did you think was gonna happen? That's exactly what we were talking about. Well, but no, no, no, no, but their demonstration had all this like, like latent, like it didn't seem fundamentally different than what David did in the taxi cab, you know what I mean? Like, and I know I'm not trying to move the goalpost.

Text me again. It's live. I get it. The demo on stage was, it had just enough lag for me to go like, yeah, that seems about right. Yeah, but we're not quite at like Star Trek. You know? Yeah. We're not quite at Skype levels of live translation.

It's not live dub, yeah. I don't remember what I said I would do. I think it had something to do with hot sauce. Oh, did you make a promise? I think he said he'd shave his head. You know, can I talk about that for a second? I can't do that, I can't. Can I talk about this?

This is totally off topic, but I'm gonna bring it up anyway. I did, I remember I made that video about the RoboTaxi event, the Tesla RoboTaxi. Boy, do I. Oh man, this is a- I made a promise in that video. I made a promise in that video. I made a promise in that video that was very, very clear.

And if you want to even roll the clip, you can play it back. And I said, he gets on stage, he says, we're gonna have this vehicle out for $30,000 before 2027. No, they're not. There's just no way that they're actually going to be able to do that. I mean, if they do, let's say they do, I will shave my head on camera.

You know, there was a moment on stage where Elon said, yeah, we are going to deliver this robo taxi that's going to drive around and do, you know, robo taxi things. And it's going to be under $30,000 by 2027. And I said, no, you won't. That specific thing, I don't think so. And if you do, I'll shave my head. If you do. Now, take that out of context with me going,

I don't believe in it. A lot of people have seen like beta tests of like model wise as robo taxis in Austin in limited capacity and gone, ah, they did it Marques, you have to shave your head. No, no, no, no, no, no. You don't get to rephrase my original bet. My bet, my mentions on Twitter are filled with,

and I assume this is just a engagement bait, but of many people going, hey, Marques, they finally are doing, or they're about to do the thing, where's the barbershop, get ready to shave your head type stuff. That's not, that was the nicest way possible of putting that. That's not what they're saying. Yeah, the bet was specifically, just as a reminder,

$30,000 or less RoboCab, the taxi thing, the gold thing with two doors below all that, delivered to a customer before 2027. So that's the bet. So for those of all who are misquoting me online and trying to sort of change the goalposts on me. All my haters. You know, look, it worked.

I'm glad you're thinking about me a lot and tagging me every time there's a new announcement. It's great, but yeah, I get it straight. So live translation. Yeah. So. It did do it. It did do it.

So the way this works, they put live translation across the OS, which is quite cool. So they have it in messages. They have it in the phone app now. The way it works in messages is you have to download the language that you are going to be translating. And so when people send text in that message, it shows it in your language, but it shows their language slightly smaller above it.

Yeah. Which is pretty cool. And then in the phone app, the way it works, which slightly smaller above it. Yeah. Which is pretty cool. And then in the phone app, the way it works, which is a little bit, I'm not sure this is gonna work in practice because it was a little slow, but basically if you're on the phone with someone speaking another language,

you can speak your language and then a couple seconds goes by and then a really bad robot voice speaks out in their language and then they say the thing and then a couple seconds goes by, and then a really bad robot voice speaks out in their language, and then they say the thing, and then a couple seconds goes by, and the really bad robot voice makes the nearly- Like a poorly dubbed movie.

It was pretty bad. I was kinda surprised, considering how good these AI voice models have gotten recently. I was pretty surprised at how bad the AI voice was. But that's the live translation. You do not, in fact fact have to stick your waxy ear air pod in somebody else's ear yeah huge would have been perfect so pretty

huge if true anything else we want to do in iOS 26 before we take a quick break I'm sure there's other stuff there's the games app there's a new game app there is a games app where you can challenge your friends to a bunch of games but you still can't do group fitness challenges. It was literally called, it's a challenge, is right? Cowards. Yeah. Adam was like, oh my God, they might add it to, we'll get to what they actually added later.

Yeah. Yeah. So the new games app is pretty much exactly what we talked about. It just kind of groups all of the games on your iPhone into one place. It also has a little tab for Apple Arcade as a tab where you can play together with other friends, which is kind of nice, like if you want to, you know, group game and it just shows your library. So it's not that different.

It's a bunch of games in one place. Yeah, it's just a bunch of stuff in one place. Now they also have a preview app, dedicated preview app. This did not used to exist on the phone or the iPad. Now it is on the phone and the iPad. I'm super excited for that on the iPad. Yeah, it's really nice on Macbook because you can do like markup and stuff and you can edit documents.

Same with the iPad. And same with the iPad. I'm like, I am glad it's on here now though because like usually when I have to sign NDAs and stuff, it's very frustrating. Just open the Mac. I usually just airdrop it to my Mac and then sign on the Mac and then send the email.

So that is much nicer. What else did they change? I feel like we have other stuff, right? I mean, since everything is so cohesive between all of them, I'm sure as we talk about other products, we'll probably remember something that happened in iOS. So if we want to trivia and break and talk about that. Yeah, besides Apple Wallet, which no one cares about.

So yeah, yeah. They added they added support for new drivers licenses, which nobody is. For about seven. To accept New Jersey least compliant real ID state in the country. Nice. Let's go. We are number one. Number one. We are number one. OK, let's do trivia.

["Were You Paying Attention?" by The Bachelorette plays.] Ah, ah, ah. Boys. Boys. You know what time it is. We had an event, which means- Were you paying attention? That's right.

Another instance of were you paying attention. Question number one. Craig Federighi opened up his, actually one of his segments. He was, there was a lot of Craig this time. I think he's gonna be the next CEO. He's head of software, so. You really think so? I think so.

He's like their most visual person. Tim Cook was barely in Dub Dub at all. You notice that? Well, he always shows up in pretty similar. He bookends things. Yeah, but he's usually in it a little bit more. He gives the overarching value, and then he closes it at the end.

He usually has little segments in between him where he's like, we love what you're gonna do with iPad OS. So next, here's Craig. I feel like that's more of the iPhone event. Well, Craig is the software guy, and this is Dub-Dub. Yeah. Yeah, that's fair. So it's kinda his.

I still think he's gonna be next to you. Anywho. I think watch the next iPhone event is just turn us over and over again.-Dub. So it's kind of his. I still think he's gonna be next to you. Anywho. I think watch the next iPhone event is just turn us over and over again. Or Mac stuff. I mean, I like turn us, he's nice. This is interesting, this is interesting. But!

During his Mac OS segment, Craig Federighi made his normal joke. He was like, the Apple Crack product marketing team went on some retreat, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. This year, because it was Tahoe, it was a ski trip. I don't know if you remember that. And to test whether or not you were paying attention, I wanna know what word did Craig use to describe

the tracks left in the snow by the product marketing team. What? Do you have anything easier? I would just say I was paying attention. If you were actually paying attention, this word would have really stuck out because even he looked uncomfortable saying it and it is possibly the least Apple word

that has ever been used in one of these things. You know how one time the trivia question was, what was David's last job? What about- Well, I do have a backup that's dumb easy. You should make it- Which is what song was playing during the F1 trailer. But no one wants to do that.

No, no, no. You should have done- Yeah, we all know that one. What was David's hometown? Yeah, that would be good. Tahoe. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We're going to break, think about this.

It's in your brain, you guys. If you guys were truly, you know. You know, I was paying attention, but I was also doing that thing where I was live tweeting the event and also taking notes for a video that I was going to make all at the same time. Sounds like a skill issue.

So this one might've just hit the, it might've gone out the other ear and I just- What you should have done is- Memorize the script. Open up your MacBook, start a Google Meet with yourself, get Gemini to record and make a transcript of it as if anyway, let's go to break. We'll see you guys in a sec.

Da da da da. ["Skype Rewind"] All right, welcome back. We've got way more at DubDub to talk about all of the 26s, all the software stuff. David, you had one more thing about the iPhone? David Hicks I have one more thing about the iPhone. So I didn't know where to sleep at DubDub. So I called up Christian Selig and the ex-developer of Apollo and I crashed his Airbnb with a bunch of other developers and it was fun.

And one of those developers told me that they actually introduced an alarm kit API. This is so far the most David string of sentences I've ever heard. Keep going. That's federated, I'm kidding. No. But previously, the only alarm you could use on your iPhone

was the freaking clock app. Right. I didn't even know that. So now any app can set an alarm. Yeah. I saw developers making jokes about this, like will they now let me put an alarm in my notes app? I mean that's dope. Is that dope no I agree it's sick I can't wait to see all the cool alarms like you remember the rock alarm from back in a day oh didn't

it just it just woke you up whenever the whenever the rock woke up I like four in the back that's what I want oh yes oh yeah it's time to bring that up back so I think that's pretty cool um Yeah, that was pretty neat. And then also they added the Apple intelligence like app actions API thing. So now you can like use about app intense. You can now like use a lot of Apple intelligence features within your app as you're developing it.

And it all happens on the iPhone, which is also very cool. But Apple Intelligence isn't good yet. I know. But you can do like visual intelligence and stuff within your app now. Yeah. So I think that's- Or summaries or whatever. Yeah, summaries, you can do all that stuff in your app

and it's not just in Apple's apps. So that's very good. And I am excited to see what that does. So now we're done. Sick. All right. And it's federated. We have a bunch of other OS's we could talk about.

We could talk about Mac OS, we could talk about iPad OS. What's the difference? Ayo, I'm not wrong. Or watch OS or TV OS or vision OS. Can I make a suggestion? Okay. Can we do like a rapid fire watch OS TV OS?

Good call. To get them out the way because. Yeah, cause we're gonna forget the end. We're gonna forget, no one cares. All right, let me blast through the small ones. Okay, TVOS got a slight new visual, like coat of paint, right? Barely. New, glassy, et cetera, that's kind of all that it did.

And there's also some new content. It's kind of already glassy. It stripped the paint. It was already very glassy, yeah, great. WatchOS also, new glossier, glassier touch points. There's also new Smart Siri, what is it called, shortcut? Smart Siri widgets, what are they?

Stack, Smart Stacks? Smart Stacks, better Smart Stacks. Better Smart Stacks that are more live, great. You can also, I really like the Swipe to Dismiss, that little wrist swipe to dismiss. Icon Flick thing. By the way, I don't like that, because the small, yeah, this morning I got an email.

Oh, you're running a beta. Yeah, I'm running a beta. I got an email and the email like popped up here and I was like, oh, and I went like this. And because I flicked too fast, it dismissed it. Oh. It should definitely only be away from you. It did it when I did it towards me.

I thought it would be like quick away back is like the dismiss email. Yeah, it's like, oh, yeah. So it's like you're flipping it off your watch. It's literally supposed to, I think got an email. Yeah, it's like, yeah. So it's like you're flipping it off your watch. It's literally supposed to, I think, feel like you're just throwing it off your watch. Maybe it just messed up or maybe it's just a beta. I thought it was cool.

The beta hopefully gets less buggy. And then also this Workout Buddy, which is like a Spotify DJ for workouts. It's almost exactly what you're thinking. It's just a new voice that like looks at your workout data and every once in a while goes, great work. You're a mile in, your part rate is 162. It's way too happy.

It's like, wow, you're such a killer runner. You ran 12.4 miles last week, way to go. I wanted to be like, you're such a piece of garbage. You haven't ran in three weeks. What the heck are you doing with your life? On your couch again? They were pumped about that it was trained on the voices of Apple fitness trainers.

So it's like literally you have your own trainer with you and you're like on your run with you. Cool, great. It'd be great if it's like, hey dumbass, you forgot to stop this workout. I know you're sitting on the couch right now. Yeah, and then Vision OS got one really, really, really, really, really cool thing that I don't think is that useful,

but it's still pretty cool. Widgets, pin them anywhere. They have like a depth effect. Yeah, the depth is cool. Did you see, have you tried Vision OS 26? I have not tried it yet. If you pin a panorama photo to a wall in a frame, That's right, just for me.

you walk past that thing and it looks like a window. I promise you walk past it and you can like look around the panorama through a frame, you walk past that thing and it looks like a window. I promise you walk past it and you can like look around the panorama through a window, which isn't that revolutionary. You could already look around a panorama, but just the depth effect and being pinned to the wall, it was something sick. You can also do clocks and stuff.

I do sell panoramic wallpaper packs on my website, davidmull.com if you wanna go put on your Vision Pro, which nobody's gonna do. The widget's also like, the depth wasn't just out, it was like protruding in, which looked really, really good. It did, okay. And, and there's persistent app pinning now. Thank God.

So now, oh my goodness, this is what everyone's been asking for. Now you can just put on the headset and all of your stuff is pinned where it's supposed to be instead of having to reset it up every single time. And that's a huge, huge, huge update. There was something that I caught reading about this that I didn't hear there,

and I'm wondering if either of you heard about in the briefings, but there's now Premiere Pro support in Vision Pro. There's gonna be like a Premiere Flash, like a small- Like an app inside of it. It said mostly for like 360 video and stuff. That's what I read, but I just,

there's no final cut in it, right? You know what I want? You know what I want? Not built in. Yeah. In this print, I wanna be able to pick a clip up out of the timeline and I wanna snap it in half like a Toblerone.

I like, I wanna do, there's like a current and I wanna go, just like a, you know what I mean? Like a Toblerone. I would edit like that. Do it. And then you put it, you put it right back. I would multi cam with that. I would be doing my J cuts and I'd like grab three clips

and like shove them under three other clips. Yeah, I would do that. They also added, they added more dystopian features, which technically we wanted, where now if you're sitting on a couch with your significant other, you can both watch the same movie in your individual Vision Pros, and then when you lean over to give each other a little kiss,

you're both wearing Vision Pros. So crack the glass on them. Can you do that? I don't think you could kiss, I think if two people are wearing Vision Pros, they cannot. If you do it sideways. I don't think so. We'll just be glass to glass.

We'll try, we'll try. We... Just... You can share notes. Members only content. I'm not beating the glass. I try. We. Just me. You. Members only content. I'm not beating the obligations. Shared content's important though, on Vision Pro. This is what I talked about when it first came out,

like the top five things missing from Vision Pro. My number one is shared experiences. Two different people looking at the same 3D object, manipulating it, showing each other, scaling, rotating in the same room at the same time. That is now going to be supported, which is great. I also think that it's hilarious that there's a world where two people are wearing $3,500 headsets

and they don't have a TV that they can share. Like, that's a weird room. I don't know what that room is. But okay, there's a couch and a blank wall and you just, that's your room. It's great. It's specifically for like, when you move into a new apartment but you haven't bought anything yet.

But you got your headset so you're ready to go. You're sitting in this empty white room on the carpet. What do you mean movie night? I got the headset. All right. One thing about TVOS that we didn't mention is that you can now do karaoke on TVOS and you can use your iPhone as a microphone

for the karaoke. Finally. Yeah. Wow. Cool. Yeah, Wow. Cool. Yeah, wow. Yeah, so that's all coming, and I think now we get to the two big ones,

which is Mac OS and iPad OS. And to Andrew's point, less of a difference than ever before. In Mac OS. Probably, well, between the two. What's a computer? Oh yeah, yeah, what is a computer? Okay, let's start with Mac OS,

because I think we can also kind of drill through that one a little quickly. Liquid glass everywhere, clear dock, clear widgets, you can do clear all the things. I don't love the look on the Mac. I gotta be honest, I've seen it now, the control center, are you running that too? Oh, I'm running everything. Yo, hit the control center right now,

tell me that doesn't look like Bubble Boy from SpongeBob. Oh, it is Bubble Boy. That looks so bad, dude. That looks horrible. It's, dude. That looks horrible. It's opinionated. It looks horrible. Rain meter is back. I need a background so I can read things.

That's pretty rough. It's bad. It's also funny because, I love it. Like my menu bar up top is more transparent than your menu bar. Yeah, so the menu bar is supposed to be transparent when you have no apps open.

My menu bar is more transparent than your menu bar. When you have no apps open. This is liquid ass. transparent than your menu bar. When you have no apps open. This is liquid ass. When you're just showing your home screen. So if you just expose the home screen, just click the bottom left corner to show your hide all windows, should be clear, right? It's not.

It's not? It is supposed to be. It's a beta. It's a beta. Yeah. You're like me. What else is in Mac OS? I mean, some other slight improvements.

Spotlight is kind of the big thing for me. Dude, Spotlight? Spotlight. All right. Let's talk about Spotlight. I'm gonna sit this one out. Adam come in, this is all. Yeah, Adam tap in.

Okay, so Spotlight. I'm ready, baby. You're a fellow Raycast user, right? Tap me in. So, I mentioned this in the impressions video. My number one productivity app I install fresh on every new Mac is called Raycast. And it literally replaces the command space,

keyboard shortcut for Spotlight, and is a like Spotlight on steroids. I can open apps obviously, or I can give it commands. I can also tab over and find files. I can talk with AI, literally like dozens of different AI models. I can select on the fly which one I wanna talk to. I can also do, there's a, I think my favorite part

is actually just the clipboard history. I just type in clipboard and I see my entire clipboard history of all the things I've copied and wanna paste again. So it is incredibly, incredibly useful. It syncs across devices. I don't really go anywhere without it obviously. It's very useful. It syncs across devices. I don't really go anywhere without it, obviously. It's very useful.

So Apple gets on stage and they start showing this new spotlight for Mac, which actually when you hover over it, it has this nifty little animation that starts to break apart like, okay, you can still search for apps, but you can also now do commands, keyboard shortcuts, view your clipboard history, all these new things

that you couldn't do in Spotlight before. And the first obvious thought that I had was, oh, this is what it looks like when an app gets Sherlocked. This is the obvious, if I'm a developer at Raycast, I'm over here thinking like, that's tough, they just took a bunch of our users slash features. And that's actually kind of what I said in the video, but the more I've thought about it,

and I read the statement from, I think it was a founder, a CEO, the more I thought about it, the more I think it actually is promising that Raycast will continue to exist and may even benefit from this. Oh, let's hear it. Because the angle is,

people weren't thinking about like Spotlight being a power user type thing or doing shortcuts in that way yet. And so it was only really us nerds, power users, productivity people who are doing that. Now that this is built in, and people might start to mess with this a little bit, they will quickly run up against

Apple's limits of customization. and then we'll find Raycast because Raycast will continue to do more than Spotlight will. Like when I wanna open command space and tab and I'm talking to Gemini now in two clicks, I don't have to touch my trackpad. There's Gemini on the computer? Yeah, well in Raycast,

like I don't even have to leave, go to a browser, I can just chat with Gemini. And so that type of thing is always going to be the next level above what like like, Apple's never gonna let me do that in Spotlight, but when you open the funnel a little bit and you get regular users thinking a little bit more about like, oh, I'll use Spotlight a little more, I'll start to like use it to find files,

or that's the type of thing that shows people that Raycast exists faster. And Raycast can let you do things with third party apps, right? Right, there's plugins, lots of plugins. Google Translate plugin is very useful. I'm sure there will be a Translate Siri shortcut plugin or something that does a similar thing.

The thing that was really useful for Apple's version is the app intents again. You can jump in and send a message to a recipient and you type it all out and hit enter and it sends a message without ever opening the messages app. You can also email files straight from the clipboard. Pretty intense. Yeah, straight from Spotlight.

So that's like, that is like power user. Like there's an entire YouTube genre of how to maximize Raycast and do these types of things. And this is stepping right into that territory. And if this was like a third party app, you would immediately be like, oh, this is pretty clever, nice UI, but obviously very limited.

And yeah, I think this is so hard. Our developer is not gonna be able to tap into the spotlight thing. You can only use it with Apple apps. I have a feeling that this will be much more restricted and there won't be third party plugins like Google Translate or Gemini Chat or Spotify Play Pause type stuff.

Oh man. That'd be amazing if you could just be like, play on Spotify this song. That exact thought you're having is what's gonna drive people to Raycast. That's what I'm thinking. Yeah, I think the spotlight limitations are gonna be that there's no,

you have to use shortcuts for things like that. Like if I wanna do anything like that, like go and open Spotify and then play this song, you can probably hack your way around that with like your shortcuts. Your shortcuts. Yeah. But something like Raycast will just do it because it already has it built in. And then you can also just like create your own extensions on Raycast if you want. Like I spent this whole weekend, which is hilarious, because I like, I posted like Saturday or something

with someone like, okay, I've been using Raycast now like anoremy for the last like three or four weeks, like just basically as a basic search bar for like a spotlight replacement. And I was like, okay, send me your like tips and tricks for Raycast. And I dove deep down that rabbit hole this weekend, I set it up all perfectly and then Monday happened.

Yeah. And on stage they're like, oh, we just updated Spotlight. And I was like the Leonardo DiCaprio meme, like, wait, I've seen this before. But the thing that makes Raycast way more powerful, which is like to Marques's point, the people that care are gonna just always have to go to Raycast because you can just use regular code

to build your own thing if you want. Like if you're trying to build your own extension in Raycast, I'm pretty sure it's just like React and like that's it, which a lot of developers know. So like, yeah, you can like try to figure it out with shortcuts if you're a developer and you wanna do that. Regular people just ignore shortcuts altogether so they're not gonna do that.

But the people that care about this stuff kinda tend to have these skills anyway, so then they'll be leaning towards RayCast. Speaking of shortcuts too, they added a bunch of Apple Intelligence features to shortcuts now. They showed me a demo where you get a bunch of photos that you have in a folder,

and you're like, oh, I need to organize these. So they had created a shortcut that organizes the photos based on what's in them. This one seemed insane to me. Yeah. So they like, I was like, I did what it's supposed to. Well, they were saying that this would be like perfect for video editors because you could automatically index things. Yeah.

But you know, it has to work. You should make a shortcut. So every time final cut crashes, it reopens it up again and gets to the spot you're at. That's actually, final reopens it up again. It gets to the spot you're at. That's actually, Final Cut's always open. Yeah. And the shortcut is just you slamming your keyboard with your fist. And just go.

Yeah. Oh, I just almost sent an email. Good. SM. That's too good. David has the new spotlight open. I do. It looks way nicer.

It does. It looks really good. The animation is cool. There's an animation between the App Store files. What's the other? Well, it's not the App Store. It does. It looks really good. The like the animation is cool. There's an animation between the app store files What's the other it's a well, it's not the app store It's apps apps apps files actions and clipboard manager and it has a very easy like command one, two, three four to select any Yeah, it looks that looks really nice. I think that looks good. Animations. Nice glassy course. Yeah Yeah, glassy. Yeah.. Yeah, it's glassy.

Yeah, so anyway, that's my two cents on this spotlight situation. I think it's a cool feature, and it will hopefully get a lot of people thinking about how to use it better. Yeah. But then. Clipboard history. Are we just all going back to writing in a terminal?

I feel like this is just teaching us all to type again. Vim users out here. It's a cool kids. Getting all excited. Yeah, that moment where, sorry, that moment where maybe it was Craig or whoever was giving a demo, talked about you can do all of this and send this message and hit enter without ever touching the trackpad.

I was like, that's the exact pitch of so many apps, of my email app, is you can do all this and never touch your keyboard, or never touch your trackpad or your mouse. That is straight from that world. It turns out keyboard shortcuts were the solution all along. Yeah. Also, there are now live activities on the Mac.

True. And it has continuity. So if you have basically, you can basically have it where you can like open a virtual version of your phone and then have your phone on there. And so now, like there will be live activities on your iPhone, say when your Uber Eats delivery is coming or whatever, it'll show up on your Mac and then when you click it, it opens a virtual session of your iPhone and you can manipulate the app

on your iPhone from your computer. So that is pretty cool. You also get the live activities in your top menu bar, right? Yes. So do you think Domino's Pizza Tracker can be on my menu bar now? If it's a live activity, absolutely.

Domino's is always at the forefront of every new technology, so I guarantee they'll be there. We also did not talk about the most important change, colored folders. Yeah, I was gonna say that. Also, you can put emojis on the folders as well. Colored emoji folders. Real organization chops here.

It'll match perfectly with liquid glass. Just cartoon. Hello, everything else, no color, color. Red folder with green emoji with liquid glass background. It's just diabolical. This is chaos. Yeah. You laugh, I cannot wait for this.

Johnny Ive leaves and everything falls apart. All right, so that's basically all of it for the rapid fire. I think the last one we're gonna do is the big one, iPad OS 26. But before we get to that, let's take one more quick break, which means it's time for one more trivia question.

I jumped the gun, sorry. No, it felt smooth. It felt like that was kind of like preemptive. Yeah. You know what else was pre-emptive? Were you? I was I swear. Is that the definition? Were you? I was. Then on the very first frame of WWDC it's a close-up of Craig in an F1 car. Sure is. Can you name me one of the sponsors that were on his helmet?

The sponsors? Oh the helmet specifically? Any of them, anything on that frame, I'll take it. In that frame? Not the car that he was driving because that's a very obvious brand. Oh boy. Why does Apple need more money? Well no, it was for the F1 movie, so like F1 racers are typically sponsored

by a bunch of brands. I have a lot of questions about the logistics of that. Well no, but he was wearing the thing from the movie that Apple made. Yeah. That's still surprising. But wait, think of this logistically. Apple made a movie about Formula One, right? Formula One, just like NASCAR,

notorious for having lots of sponsors on jerseys, helmets, and cars. So if you're gonna make a movie that's ultra realistic about Formula One, you must also therefore have lots of sponsor logos. They used real company, they used all of the exact real company logos and all the sponsor names. How does that work?

Did they have to pay for that? Or did they- No, no, no, don't, all right, it doesn't matter. It's a movie, you know what I mean? What does matter is if you're a YouTuber and you got flown out to a race specifically to shoot a video and then they tell you once you're there, hey, you're not allowed to shoot anything

because there's lots of other brands in it. Yeah. I'm just wondering. I'm not salty. Like Apple, whenever they have iPhones that appear in movies, they just go, it's fine, you can use it as long as the iPhone isn't the bad guy's phone. So they understand that there's just gonna be Apple logos

that show up sometimes, but if you're, Who pays who? Just, you know, random company here, Coca-Cola, and there's a movie about an F1 driver who crashes the car, like, are you mad? Do you not want the logo in there? Are you cool with that? I don't, I don't.

Is making an F1 movie the infinite money lich, where you just get a million free sponsors inside of it and get paid for all of those, plus the money you make on it. I feel like you might have to be doing the paying. There's no way that they were using these brand names without contacting these brands because one of them in particular is like a very big brand

in a particular field that I'm not gonna name because I might give you a hint. I'm gonna write it down because I think I remember. I don't know, I don't remember a single brand on this. What if I write down like four different brands? It's a watch company and I guarantee none of you guys have heard of it. Seiko.

You can write down as many as you want. Apple. If you give me one of them. Okay. Why didn't they just have Apple ads all over it? It's kind of weird for them to use real sponsors. Cause that would be unrealistic. It would be weird if the Apple created shows

all their sponsors on the car was Apple. Yeah, it makes sense. It would be unrealistic. It would be weird if the Apple created shows all their sponsors on the car was Apple. Yeah, it makes sense. It would feel weird. Like the Ferrari. When I see the Ferrari F1 car, I expect the Bit Defender logo on the helmet every single time. You expect the big blue HP.

I also expect it to be behind McLaren. Yeah. And it's usually right behind them. Verstappen, am I right? And like there's the Red Bull team, the McLaren team. Like these are all brand names. Anyway, is Verstappen a real one? Verstappen, yeah I right? And like there's the Red Bull team, the McLaren team, like these are all brand names. Anyway. Is Verstappen a real one?

Verstappen, yeah. Is that a guy? That's a last name. That's a driver, nice. Is he an F1 driver? Yeah. He is. I'm so good at casually injecting information in my brain.

Just keep thinking about F1. We will have the answers at the end like usual. We'll be right back. All right, welcome back. We've got one more big OS update to talk about from Apple this week, and that is the iPad. Now, the history of iPad updates has been very consistent. We've got maybe five or six years of iPads under our belt where I review the iPad and I say the same thing that I said the last year

when I reviewed the iPad, which is, man, this hardware is so good, so impressive, so thin, so fast, beautiful screen, but it's still an iPad. I always say that line, but it's still an iPad. And that's because it's still the same iOS on steroids kind of software, where if you were hoping to make it your computer,

it is clearly not up to that. It's not designed for that. And heck, it's Apple, why would we expect them to do that? They make computers. If they wanted to sell you a computer, it's over there. It's called the Mac. So they're always so separate for so long. And I've watched so many YouTube videos over the years

of YouTubers going, can I make it my main computer? And I've made one or two of these videos too with the iPad Pro. You know, there's a little bit better file management. I could upload a YouTube video from the tablet and also it had a desktop agent so I could even like mess around in the Dropbox. Like there was hacks that I could kind of get work in

but it was never quite comfortable. Stage manager came along, it was okay. This year, iPadOS 26 genuinely feels like they just decided to make it more of a Mac. They just did it. This time it will be different. They just did the thing. It was kind of shocking. It was kind of crazy.

Like they did all, they added full free form windows. Like you can just drag from the corner and make a bunch of windows as whatever size you want. Multiple overlapping windows, on screen, off screen, full screen. They also added a menu bar at the top. And window controls on those windows. And we had the stoplight menu for closing or minimizing

or change the size of windows. There's a new redesigned files app. There is a new audio input selector, which I also confirmed will work with Bluetooth microphones. Ooh. I used to have to, I've been paying for apps to do this for like years. Every time I test Bluetooth headphones,

I'm like, how do I do this test? This is gonna be the worst part. Yeah. There are so many things in iPadOS. The preview app. The new preview app, you can export to different file sizes and types, like all of this stuff.

The new files app can let you sort by or organize by showing different types of attributes for your files. The liquid glass is still there obviously, but I am just way, way more confident that I can use the iPad. Have you seen the, like plugging it in with a track pad? Yeah, there's a real pointer now.

It's just a real mouse now. Instead of like that blob that was like snapping, you called it aim assist, I thought that was perfect. Yeah. It's just a mouse. It's just a real mouse now. Instead of that blob that was snapping, you called it aim assist, I thought that was perfect. It's just a mouse now. Finally, this is what I wanted. This is right up your alley. You don't even need decks, you literally just plug it into a monitor

and maybe throw on the keyboard attachment with the trackpad. It's a computer. Oh, I plan to try. My summer will be dedicated. Between this and the Android developer, Android 16 developer beta that just came out. I'm going to be trying to replace this laptop

with one of these. Yeah, man. I like these desktops so much. I think you can really do it. I think so. There's obviously, if you have certain apps that you need, you have got to make sure those apps work. The Final Cut on the iPad is going

to be different from Final Cut on the Mac. So you have to be OK with the lack of plugins. There's certain things that work differently. But there are background apps, or background actions now. So if I hit export, and then I leave Final Cut and head to the web browser and open up Frame.io to get ready to upload or whatever, it will continue to export in the background.

I cannot believe that that was in the thing before. I cannot believe that was in the thing before. All of these things, all in one update just feels like, like if they did one of these things, it'd be like, oh, it's a little closer, but they did all of these things. So now, would you rather buy a MacBook Air or an iPad? Okay, so what user am I?

Am I me? Yeah. Or am I regular, am I my sister? Am I like a recent college grad? Am I what, which type my sister, am I like a, like a, am I a recent college grad, am I, what, who, which type of person are we talking about? Do you want to, well. I think if it was me. Be me.

Yeah, okay. I use Final Cut Pro for Mac heavily. You do? So in the, yeah, I'm a big video guy, I don't know if you know. What? So, I cannot main this as my main editing computer. For everything else, yes, I can.

So, I'm the person that's gonna have to keep a Mac around, and I think a lot of power users who have specific apps that they use on the Mac are gonna have to keep a Mac around. But as far as taking it everywhere with me, I don't have to do that anymore. I can take the iPad everywhere with me and if I need the Mac, I'll go to where the Mac is.

That's the difference. And the thing that they did with the iPad Final Cut app was that they were trying to make it so that you could just do a base like cut edit so that you could then throw it to your Mac anyway. Yeah, I will say a lot of the demos that Apple does and that any of these companies do with video editing is, I don't know how to describe it,

but it's just hilarious to me. Cause it's so contrived, they'll be like, and now I want to add a background song. So I'll just drag this here and boop, looks good, all done. I'm like, wait, what? That's it? That's how easy it is. That's how they edit.

They just go drag something in and it's perfect. Cause they had a stage for that. But yeah, I think it's for simple edits, it's fine. I will say DaVinci Resolve has a full iPad app. Who was sitting next to me and said that? I did. That was you? And I was sitting next to you.

Yes. And I was thinking. That's what I'm remembering. Thank you. Wow. Hey, I remember, I was paying attention. Were you paying attention to me sitting next to you for two hours? Well, because I was paying attention. Or you paying attention to me sitting next to you

for two hours? Well, because I was also in a briefing with Tyrus Stallman and we talked about something else and there was some other photo stuff, but yes, that. So yeah, the full on iPad app, that is an option. But I don't know if I wanna relearn. Yeah, I get it. But for people that are already on Resolve,

that's pretty amazing. Like you can pretty much just use the full iPad. I'm not on Resolve and I spent yesterday like at least two hours just watching a bunch of iPad Resolve tutorials and I wanna try it. It looks doable. Vin raves about the color controls in Resolve. That's way better, yeah.

It used to just be a coloring app and then they built out editing capabilities. It doesn't crash all the time. Is that right? Allegedly. That's actually a huge upside. Allegedly. If that's true. Okay, huge if true.

Does it support red raw? Yeah. Okay. And it also has like, it had AI like cut out features before Final Cut did. Oh yeah, cause the magnetic mask is kind of fire in Final Cut. It's pretty good on Resolve.

I've seen people use it who I know are not the best editors in the world, and it looks pretty good. Hey, hey, hey, I'm right here. And. You're still learning. It looks a lot like Final Cut. Okay, so maybe not the biggest learning curve.

No, there's a learning curve. There's definitely a learning curve. There's a learning curve. But it doesn't look that different though. Okay, because it's got the nodes and you have to sort of learn the process of editing in it. All right. Nodes. I may give this a spin.

I got a seven hour flight coming up. So seven, we'll see. Did you see it? Where are you going Narnia? Yeah. That's a door. That would be a pretty quick flight. San Francisco.

Six. The other thing we didn't mention the local capture was pretty cool. Riverside. Yeah. But it says it can do it with any video conferencing app. Yes, so this is gonna be built into the OS, where if you are, and essentially,

I don't know if the Mac's gonna do this too, but basically, if you are on a video conferencing app, let's say you're gonna do a podcast with someone over Zoom, it will be able to record your camera and microphone feed locally. The other person does that at the same time and then you put all the files together and you can then edit those files together,

which is similar to what Riverside does. It's the killer feature of Riverside actually. It really is and then this plus now the microphone input change. Yeah. It's like a pretty solid, yeah. It's really good. That's pretty awesome.

As someone that has to like talk to people through this setup process in Riverside, I am not gonna trust this with people. I'm curious, I think it might be exactly what we need. I think it's awesome. I just don't think that people will understand how it works, where to find it in files, how to send it to me after.

There's like so many things that Riverside takes care of automatically that I'm just gonna keep trusting Riverside for now. Is this even gonna work on the Mac? Or is this only iPad? That's the biggest thing. This is definitely an iPadOS feature. This is where I saw it demoed

and this is the part in the keynote that they showed it. So I assume it's iPad only. Interesting. But yeah, this struck me as like on a super, super, super simple podcast setup, this would work. The more variables you have, the more you might probably want to use Riverside.

But think if it's great for like you're starting out, you're like, oh, me and my friend want to start a podcast, we have iPads, perfect. That is like the ideal situation. For like us in a professional setting, I personally would not rely 100% on it. Yeah, that's fair. If they can just bring Dota 2 to iPad OS,

then I don't need my laptop anymore. Is that your killer Mac app that you're stuck to Mac with? Yeah. So mine's Final Cut Pro, yours is Dota 2. Well, I also need a video editor. And I use Lightroom Classic instead of Lightroom Mobile. But you know, you got Pixelmator. I mean, there's also Lightroom Mobile.

You can just use that, but yeah. Yeah. I'm excited. I expect that video again is what I'll say. Expect the, can the iPad be my computer video? But this time in a much more like optimistic tune. Everything's computer. Seems like it's possible. Yeah, we had that, what is a computer moment?

It was literally as they went down the list of things, we started with the first feature of like moving windows around happened. We were like, what is a computer moment. It was literally as they went down the list of things, we started with the first feature of like moving windows around happened. We were like, what is a computer? And they showed the toolbar and we're like, what is a computer? And they started going through like file management and like all of the mouse stuff.

And we were like, wait a minute. This is serious. Different windows, snapping. They went down the whole list, so. Yeah, you can flick the windows around now and it'll automatically snap to the sides. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty cool.

What an age. We truly live in an age of wonders. I think Craig had a moment in the end of the keynote where he was like, wow, how about that? Yeah, he said something quite funny that was kind of referencing that they're intentionally keeping the iPad from being a computer and they're like, yeah, a little bit more now.

Yeah. I didn't want to say this in Slack yesterday during the event because I thought everyone would laugh at me but now that we're with the people that I'm like. Let's record the last. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was gonna say now that I'm with the people, you're right, now everyone on Twitter can laugh at me too.

There was one feature they mentioned super briefly I was gonna say now that I'm with the people, you're right, now everyone on Twitter can laugh at me too. There was one feature they mentioned super briefly in iPad OS that people were joking about in the Slack, but it's serious guys, it's really serious because I bought my Apple Pencil specifically. Oh yeah. At the Apple event, like we were in Cupertino, we were shooting whatever, and it was the Apple event. We were in Cupertino, we were shooting whatever, and it was the Apple event where they announced

the journal app. And as soon as they announced that, I went and I bought an Apple pencil online. That moment, I was like, yes! And then I bought it before they finished introducing the journal app. And then at the end, they were like, iPhone only. And I was like, are you kidding me?

Are you kidding me? Does anyone use the journal out? But now it's yeah, what kind of idiot uses it? that'd be crazy to use and So now the fact that I my dreams of Using the Apple pencil to write my journal in bed like a little like a little kid with my on my stomach with my My shins up in the air. Boy, everyone is like, oh, Apple Pencil for Journal Lab. I was like, this is all I've ever wanted. They know that.

Thanks, Craig. Target Demographic was impressed. Yeah. Yeah. By the way, all these window management features all come to the iPad Mini. I need to see five windows open on the iPad. Yeah, this is, it does not look nice. Can't confirm. Do you have it already? all these window management features all come to the iPad mini. I need to see five windows open on the iPad.

It does not look nice. Do you have it already? I have it on the iPad mini. That's the first thing I did too, and it's a lot. Okay. Also, Notes did add Markdown as we predicted last time. And the calculator, the Math Notes in the Math Notes calculator added 3D graphing capabilities, which we should try. Because Math Notes was cool last year.

The Markdown coming to Apple Notes is actually a pretty big deal, because that is the one reason why I have not been using Apple Notes as my main note-taking app, because everything is kind of like stuck there in Apple Notes formatting, and that's kind of it, and I jump around too much. I want to see if you can export these notes,

because if you can export them in Markdown, import them into another note-taking app that supports Markdown. Did anyone mention that? But even if you could do that, that's huge. I want to double-check but I think you can. Because then that makes it a truly like interoperable note-taking app which means that you can use, I can use it. Yeah. Fire. So there you have it. Cool beans. Computers. What is computer? All of them are our name number 26.

All of them. We need to clip those two clips together. We will have reviews of course. I mean, watch the recap video on the main channel if you haven't already seen it, but there will be like full on videos of all these things because they are so deep and so interesting. And so yeah, new, fascinating.

New, glass. We didn't talk at all about Apple intelligence. I don't think there is much new. Neither did they. I mean, there's like visual intelligence on screen now. So if you wanted to highlight something in a screenshot, it's like circle search is basically the same thing. Yeah.

Oh, I like the new screenshots, Jess. The UI? Yeah, the new screenshots UI is really cool. Okay, this actually makes a lot of sense and it helped me sort of understand why the Pixel Screenshots app exists, especially after talking to a lot of normies. But when you take a screenshot,

now it puts you into this new interface where you can mark it up, you know, you can do the classic markup thing. What was the other thing you could do with it? Well, if there was text in it, of like a, if you took a picture of like, sorry, if you took a screenshot of like someone inviting you to an event, it would have a single button

to add it to your Apple calendar. Right. Or if you took a screenshot of some product, it would allow you the opportunity to like reverse image search that product. It would show you, it would highlight a button for you at the bottom, depending on the context of what you take a screenshot of. Which is smart.

None of that stuff is showing up on mine. But maybe it will. Maybe coming soon. Beta one, baby. Yeah. If they had announced all of these features at last year's DubDub, and then at the end, and all of these cool things are powered

by Apple Intelligence, I think it would have gone over a lot better. Yeah, you know, there are some things in these updates that are technically AI, but they're not as explicitly saying this is AI or this is Apple Intelligence, and I thought that was interesting. It is the Apple way.

Presenting Apple Intelligence as an omnipotent force, that is too perfect for us to comprehend as mortals. Like the idea that like, oh, you wonder how that works? It's Apple intelligence. I just leave it there. That's perfect. That's great. Yeah, it's very Apple.

I do think that they have traditionally like used like remember when math notes came out and everyone was like, oh, is this using AI? And they're like, no, it's just machine learning. Like I really like when Apple just downplays like how amazing the technology they can make is. And I felt like this Dub-Dub, they were doing that again. They kind of like, they talked about Apple Intelligence at the very beginning, kind of shoved it to the side. And it just felt like a Dub-Dub before AI forced them

to create Apple Intelligence, which nobody wanted. You know what I mean? Yeah, so. Agreed. It felt like an Apple that was not under the pressure of the stock market. Yeah. So, yeah, it was nice.

Yeah. Should I install the beta on my phone? Or not yet, is it buggy as hell? Are you an alpha or are you a beta? Well, I mean, should I put it on my main phone? I'm maining it. Any regrets? It's been like a...

It restarted twice this morning. Jesus Christ. Okay, I'm not gonna do it. Any regrets? It's been like a... It restarted twice this morning. Jesus Christ. Okay, I'm not gonna do it. But other than that. I'm waiting. Other than that, and it gets really hot. Like really hot. Is it like blasting through battery?

It's not really, I'm at 65%. All right, I'm gonna wait. I'm at 40, 40, oh, because I was on a flight this morning, that's why. Oh yeah. All right. Do you want the glass you are or do you not? Liquid glass.

I'll probably put it on a secondary phone. That's not my main phone. Okay. And play with it there. Are we not allowed to talk about the liquid ass flub because it was funny? We can. Can we not talk about that?

No, we can. I mean there's. Liquid ass. I've been trying not to say this entire podcast. Yeah. I like to believe that like Tim Cook had to personally re-upload a new YouTube thumbnail for this one. Well, people need to know. OK, so so they put out what are you talking about? Explain it. They put out a YouTube video that was talking about liquid glass and the YouTube play button logo that automatically goes over it covered the G and the L. So it just says liquid ass, which is really funny. YouTube play button logo that automatically goes over it, covered the G and the L. So it just said liquid ass.

Which is really funny. And then everyone memed it online and then they changed the thumbnail. So now it's left aligned and things are stacked instead of it being centered. Anyway, it was really funny. Well, there's only one more thing left to do this episode. I think you know what it is

That's right another event means another installment of were you paying attention We're all familiar with the with the joke of Apple's crack product marketing team traveling around California getting inspiration. Why is it called crack? Crack pop. Like, not really, right? No, isn't that what it is? It's like, oh, he's a crack investigator. Not like a crack investigator, but like, can you explain this? I'll be honest, I've only ever heard it when Craig says it.

Yeah. No, it's a thing. Every year, one time I hear somebody say crack and it's Craig. Mm-hmm. Wait, can I just double check? No, it's a thing. Coincidence?

Someone asked Gemini. All right, well, you guys are figuring that out. I need to talk something. I have the transcript up. Crack, when you use crack as an adjective like this, it can only apply to a team, a crack team of people. Really? Yes, and it dates back to the late 1700s in English.

So everyone can say, I'm sorry, Ellis. I agreed with you. I'm cutting it, so. You're cutting it? Absolutely. You're cutting my hilarious crack investigator? We can't talk about cocaine on this podcast. Welcome back, trivia.

This is definitely the first time we recorded me saying this question and not because I totally misspoke. But Craig Federighi made his normal joke of Apple's crack team of product marketers traveling around California getting inspiration for the new name. But this time he mentioned a weekly ski trip that this team takes. Mandatory. Yeah, it was a weekly mandatory ski trip. That was so funny. Wow. You know, Craig, sometimes you really hit him with the zingers, but he used one particular

very unapple word to describe the tracks left in the snow during the ski trip. What was that word? Hit it. Very unapple word? Very unapple word. Very unapple word. Play the were you paying attention sound. Were you paying attention? Thanks. Wow, layers. There's layers to this.

Unapple. Unapple. Very not apple. I've never heard anything like this word used in any sort of apple presentation. All right, who wants to go first? Did you write fat? That's awesome. Fat with a pH, which unfortunately isn't correct. I wrote something with the Google Play buttons covering it up and I can't read it, so it must be right.

I wrote glistening. Oh no, unfortunately. I wrote Google. I love that answer, but unfortunately it is wrong. The correct answer is. But Mac OS demands more. Fortunately, after carving some bodacious tracks. The word was bodacious. That's very apple-like. The word was bodacious.

That's very apple. The word was bodacious. Extremely apple-like. That is not apple-like. It's extremely Craig, like Craig Skitt apple-like. I don't know about that, man. That music, that was bodacious type music. Well, you all got that one wrong.

But before I give you the chance to get another question wrong, I'm gonna pass it to my co-host, Adam, who's gonna update you on the scores. Marquez with 25, Andrew with 16, David, David, how old are you? I'm 30.

With 30! Hey, yo! All right, so next question. In the first frame of the WWDC, 25, all right. So next question in the first frame of the WWDC 2020 2025 26, I don't know in WWDC the first frame Craig is riding in an F1 car. Mm-hmm. He's got a helmet Tell me what one of the ads are on his helmet You didn't ask how old I was.

Marques, how old are you? 25. 25. 25. You know what's better than 25? 26. 30. 30.

I think this might be the largest lead anyone has ever had. What brand would Apple associate with? I don't even, I didn't see a single ad on there that I thought was a real thing. I thought they were all fake. They're all real. So I just made up some letters that I think I saw. Okay, great. You might get it right. Wow. Did I?

No. I'm close though. You're closer than I thought you would have gotten. I have effects. You're 30% there. Is it like F-T-X? I-F-N? No. I-N-F? No, you're 30%. I should have guessed F-T-X. You only got one right. X?

Yeah. Gonna give it to you. Is it really X? Okay. I F X. Wrong. Marquez. I have two.

Okay. Expensify. Correct. That was one of them. Geico. No, not Geico. There was an Expensify. Expensify was one of the ads on his helmet.

Marquez was paying attention. That's crazy. Did you look it up? No, you know how I remember this? I'll tell you after. Okay. I'll tell you after you give your answer. Siri.

Nope. Yeah. My answer is they have that Formula One car sitting in Apple Park and they paraded us all over to go look at it. I didn't get to see it. And the first thing I was thinking was, how did they get all these brands to agree to all of this? And I remember that Expensify was right on the nose cone.

Andrew was actually very close as well. What was he close to? He was close, he said, what'd you say? IFX. IFX? APX, oh, that's what I was thinking. APX, and then you were also close to IWC. So I was thinking APX. Oh, there is a shell one.

No, that's the actual Formula One driver. But Shark, Ninja are on there. Like the streamer? No, like the blender. Oh! Yeah. A blender company has enough money for that? Dude, Ninja is not.

Ninja has money. Dude, it's not just a blender, bro. It's a way of life. It's a way of life. It's not a gym. There's the first frame right there. That's crazy. Expensify.

It is kind of being off you skated. Yeah. Wow. That's wild. Yeah, I still wonder how the brand's thing worked, but we don't know the answers. They probably won't tell us the answers, but hey, it's a movie you can watch at some point, probably in That's wild. Yeah, I still wonder how the brand's thing worked, but we don't know the answers. They probably won't tell us the answers, but hey, it's a movie you can watch at some point,

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