Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - These App Features Are Long Overdue!

Episode Date: April 28, 2023

This week, Marques launched his own sneaker in collaboration with Atoms! It's called the M251 and Marques gets into how it all came to be towards the end of the podcast. Before that, there was a ton of news! Marques, Andrew, and David discuss Samsung rumors, AI, the new Xiaomi 13 Ultra, the Lucid Gravity EV, and features that should've come to Google Authenticator and WhatsApp a long time ago. Then we wrap it all up with some trivia questions! Links: Samsung S24 batteries: https://bit.ly/samsungs24wvfrm AI Pizza commercial: https://bit.ly/PizzaAIcommercial Google Authenticator update: https://bit.ly/googleauthwvfrm WhatsApp update: https://tcrn.ch/3LCW8mC Lucid Gravity: https://bit.ly/lucidgravitywvfrm List of M251 videos: https://bit.ly/M251Videos Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Twitters: Waveform: https://twitter.com/wvfrm Marques: https://twitter.com/mkbhd Andrew: https://twitter.com/andymanganelli David: https://twitter.com/DurvidImel Adam: https://twitter.com/adamlukas17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wvfrmpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And Adam and Ellis are here, but they may be replaced by AI soon, so just say hi to them at least one more time we'll have a story about that we'll figure out if that's real or not hi adam hi adam hi ellis hi ellis bye bye guys bye adam bye ellis uh we also have uh two more wildly overdue tech features this seems to be a theme but also uh the lucid SUV, a little bit of a quick thoughts on seeing that start to get teased. And then, of course, we have the shoe launch to talk about sort of just the experience of being on the other side of where I normally am, which is embargo happens. I publish my review. All the other reviews come out and product managers are starting to freak out because of all the reviews. reviews come out and product managers are starting to freak out because of all the reviews this time i am the product manager and all the reviews come out at the same time or at least all the people's thoughts on the thing that i made and it's just a very different feeling so we'll talk about that uh first though we have galaxy s24 rumors um this one is actually

interesting because it's whenever we talk about batteries, it's always incremental. I've said this a thousand times, but what was a good battery life in a phone 10 years ago? Like, oh, all day would be pretty nice. Now, what's a good battery life in a phone in 2023? All day would be nice. But the phones do so much more that it's like I think we forget or we don't really appreciate how much better batteries have gotten where now we have literally 5 000 milliamp hour batteries in pocket size phones and that was unheard of a long time ago uh so this new rumor is galaxy s24 may use stacked a new stacked battery technology that's borrowed from evs

which may give us maybe a 10 improvement in density, which again is just incremental. 10% is 10%. But again, going from 5,500 to 6,000 milliamp hours is more battery for us. So I'll take it. So that's kind of cool to see. It's at the point where like batteries are big enough that a 10% on number wise, like going from 5,000 to 5,500

is like legitimately something. That's pretty decent. Yeah, like tech nerds online will be like, 5,500 is way better than 5,000 to 5,500 is like legitimately something that's pretty decent yeah like like tech nerds online will be like 5,500 is way better than but like that's a good number yeah like smart watches often have like a 170 milliamp hour battery yeah so like 10 of that's gonna feel like look like nothing but like yeah we're at the point now we're 10 it's a solid chunk and then phone screens and processors are getting more efficient. So you add 10% more battery, all of that with more efficient components.

And maybe you'll get all day plus a half day. That is kind of nice. Some phones are capable of that. It's kind of just like we, smartphones are so capable that I much more appreciate the efficiency gains than the peak power gains. Because a phone can do everything that I much more appreciate the efficiency gains than the peak power gains because a phone can do everything that I want it to and in those crazy extreme scenarios of like maxing out frame rates in certain games people love the benchmarks

and like oh let me see three more five more FPS cool but I want to see like Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 having better standby time being able to throttle down faster when it knows it can LTPO display is going all the way down to one hertz like I want my phone to last even though it's super powerful so yeah give me more battery that sounds great yeah and just clarify this is different than like the one plus two separate

batteries that are like just to increase charging this is actually the way the battery cells are stacked inside of the battery so you're getting 10 more battery out of the same size i do wonder though do we think that necessarily means going the 10 more or leaving more room for components or smaller sizes of phones right bigger batteries and bigger phones and smaller batteries well it's supposed to potentially come out in the s24 ultra first which i doubt they will make smaller did it or battery it said that right Or a bigger camera module. Yeah, that's true. Who doesn't need five more macro cameras?

I mean, the S24 Ultra, I could see them going with a 1.0 type sensor finally. So if that's the case, then they are going to need more room for that anyway. Yeah, for some reason, as much as I would like the 10% more battery capacity, I feel like we're just going to get same battery capacity something else in it yeah that's often what they do when they come up

with these new improvements they're like we're not making it better but yeah but we use that extra room to put in a better haptic motor and more cooling and a little bit extra something something else yeah bigger cameras more decks yeah It is funny in product decisions. So now I'm thinking like a product manager because we just did this whole shoe thing. Every product is just a culmination of trade-offs, basically. So you can decide to just use that improved technology to have more battery in your phone.

But also batteries are these really complex things that require insulation and cooling. And you also have to think about charging speed. And if they charge faster, then they take up more space because of the cooling required to charge faster. And so do you use that improved density to have the same size battery, but that charges faster and takes up a little more space? Or if you're Samsung and you're like, 45 watts is okay. We don't really feel like chasing the 100, 200 watts of Xiaomi or whatever. We'll keep it 45 watts,

but we'll use extra density for more capacity instead. There's a ton of choices you can make. And at the end of the day, we'll get the phone and we'll review the choices they made. But yeah, I think I'll take 10% more battery. I just want capacity. I just want phones to last longer.

I agree with you. Like you said like our phones still do so many things they're already fast enough they're already doing all this stuff just like make it last longer i mean and take this technology and then also like we've talked about being okay with phones being a little thicker to go up to the camera bump please so now yeah add that extra battery plus being able to jam more battery into it yeah we could be looking at six seven thousand milliamp hour batteries like the uh the xiaomi 13 ultra that design yeah if can you have it with you i don't should i grab it grab it okay i'll be right i have not seen it yet yeah let me show you one eternity later whoa whoa i got it ellis thought you actually fell here's the phone uh okay the xiaomi 13 ultra has this shape you're gonna talk about it it's

kind of like two levels of uh thickness exactly so for the audio listeners it's not just like a flat back on the back you know how the galaxy s21 had that sort of like smooth granular lift to get up to the camera bump yeah this does sort of the same thing but then there's also the camera bump but the reason is because it has a 1.0 type sensor so they need to have a bigger image circle to project onto the sensor and so you've got this like lip that's on top of the actual back of the phone it's the entire top half of the phone yeah so why so my thing is like if you're going gonna do stacked batteries then you don't even have to do this lip you can just make it slightly thicker yeah which i mean i think it it's cool how it looks but if they're just like they can

make the phone thicker people are not it is interesting like i do think they could just keep that the whole way out my guess is their their reasoning for this is underneath that lip it's thinner which is mostly where your fingers are so it still feels like a thinner phone although that still looks like a thick foam it's not so here's a sort of a thought like remember when we had that era of like phones getting thinner and thinner and thinner yeah and that moto z came out oh my gosh it was like four minutes and phone and there was a little bit of magic to them going on stage and being like look at how razor thin this gadget is. We're clearly trending towards these impossibly

thin devices. And there was a little bit of magic to how impressive that was. But what's the use? But there is no use. It's just aesthetic. And I think that we kind of realized that there is a point of diminishing interest in how thin a phone can be. And we got to it. It's like, if it fits in my hand and it's not

weirdly weighted and top heavy, it's thin enough. I'm not going around waving around my phone like, look how thin it is can be. And we got to it. It's like, if it fits in my hand and it's not weirdly weighted and top heavy, it's thin enough. I'm not like going around waving around my phone, like, look how thin it is. So it's fine. I do feel like the Asus ROG phones are a little thick for those people. But they do have 6,000 million power batteries.

And I mean, they probably only feel thick because regular phones are thinner. So if we start getting people more used to slightly thicker and thicker phones like if apple ever actually released that iphone for 15 ultra which is not going to happen but if they did and they made it thicker because i had better battery and more rugged and whatever i feel like people would start to adapt to phones being thicker in general i mean i even think some of the last couple generations of iphones feel a bit thicker just because of the squared off edges

so like people are clearly okay with that. Like imagine now Apple goes back to having curved edges, but they're the same radius of the squared off edges now, but then the back is just a little bigger and it has a bigger battery. It would feel exactly the same for it a little bit. You're literally going to have to do that if you keep making bigger sensors anyway, it's, it's going to be a thing where you're going to have to either have a bump or you could just add more battery capacity. So at this point, just add the battery capacity. This phone has, this 13 Ultra has a 5,000 milliamp hour battery.

It's great. It's a really good phone and a really good display and really good cameras and all that. It all fits in the phone. But yeah, you- If they stacked it, it could be 6,000 milliamp hours. They could probably fit like 5,500 plus. The more you look at it

the more interesting it is there's so many extra lines going on here yeah like even all the way down to the non-stacked edge the thinner part it's still get some b-roll in there for those of you for like what are you talking about yeah audio listeners it's a pretty aesthetically good looking phone i like it a lot it's very different it is literally top heavy when you hold the 12 ultra was also really pretty so i'm glad that they kept up with that the 12 ultra was a unique looking phone i wouldn't say pretty it was pretty brutalist wasn't it am i picturing the same phone i think you're thinking a different phone s ultra holy moly this gets too much light oh the 12s ultra i'm thinking of the 11 yeah you're thinking of the 11 ultra that one was yeah the 11 ultra was this square yeah like on the back of the yeah that one that was a situation pretty okay the 12 ultra yeah

it's better looking i like how 3.2 x is the second lens it's not just 3x it's 3.2 very specific yeah okay we're a little off track but uh wow this gets so much light that it's actually overexposed that does not happen very often on phones. Yeah. Crazy. I mean, we're in a very well-lit podcast studio. Yeah. I'm going to steal this after we review it just so you know.

Okay. Be careful. All right. So yeah, I'm hoping S24 Ultra gets a battery bump. The stack battery tech seems like pretty cool. Also, the fact that it comes from EVs, like EVs, the number one thing we're trying to do with those is get better range more capacity that's where the development and the front lines of like battery chemistry yeah is happening a lot so we love to see it yeah this is used in the

uh audi e-tron q8 is it i think it's out starting at 74k oh i've seen that so it has a 285 mile range so that's not great it's not great that doesn't necessarily mean that they're good at converting battery to range i could rant for a long time it does have 114 kilowatt hour battery though which i think is i'm not good at battery hours that's a fairly large battery that's fairly large there's like three main factors when it comes to like determining how good your range will be one is literally how big of a battery cell can you fit in like how much density can you fit which the answer is 114 for this one two is how well can you convert that energy to driving power you know drivetrain efficiency electric drivetrains are pretty efficient but

it's still variable and three is uh how aerodynamically efficient and just space efficient can your car be so if you build a new EV from the ground up, you can generally fit a larger battery and go further on a charge. Where if you just put a battery into a car that's built to be a gas car, you won't be able to fit as much battery in there. So all these things combine.

I'm sure Audi's somewhere in the middle on that spectrum, but yeah, we see a lot of that. I'll save that rant for another day uh yeah but yeah we we also have a little bit of ai podcast editing yeah i think i showed you guys both saw me post this on slack yeah the other day right the ai podcast editing tool i was probably in iceland it was last night i was probably asleep it was probably your birthday wow i forgot to mention that everyone wished david a happy birthday i'm basically dust now that makes me feel terrible um but uh so it's like i'll explain it to david and the listeners

um because adam and ellis definitely both saw this a little, are sweating. We are very aware of there's this new tool called auto pod, which is an Adobe premier plugin, and it can essentially name is threatening. It's pretty, it's very threatening and it's very accurate. Cause you can take your Adobe timeline, sync each separate camera for like a podcast with audio. And once it's synced, you take open up the plugin label each voice and then it'll essentially go through the entire timeline and cut to whichever camera is currently talking i'm honestly surprised that wasn't already a thing because that doesn't seem like that's

that it strikes me as something that could get built into premiere tomorrow if they started working on it yeah and so it can change the camera cuts and then not only do that, if it senses more than one person talking and you have a wide angle, it'll switch to the wide and just auto cut the whole thing. So even if it's not perfect, losing that and just getting to run it all,

watch it, make small adjustments here and there, that seems pretty wild. We should definitely try it. I do wonder if it actually saves time based on Adobe exporting times afterwards. yeah that seems pretty wild we should definitely try it i do wonder if it actually saves time based on adobe exporting times afterwards um are you actually getting any faster because you're waiting 10 times longer for an adobe export but i mean if it makes adam do his like be able to do his job that much faster then we can just make more stuff it'll be way faster because i'll be unemployed so

we make all these jokes but that's obviously not going to happen. Yeah, Adam, it's called Fun Employed. Adam, way too much. We already did a human skill versus AI thing, remember? Yes. We had Tim go up against Dolly. And that was early Dolly. And early Dolly. Speaking of, we are going to be doing something like that soon

with a different AI plugin. Ellis is currently working on a video right now, right? Yeah. Should we spoil that? Or just don't spoil too much. Tease the concept. Here's what I'll say is the initial draft of the video was going to be Ellis versus

AI as far as like audio restoration and cleanup and stuff. And I got started writing it. I started playing with the tools and I've, I've already lost. We've, we've put out three videos now that I did with AI and, and no one even said anything or noticed.

So, so I don't know if the competition, we're still doing the video. The video is like chugging along. The script's almost done. Yeah. but it's not going to be the i'm not going to go head to head like tim did it's really interesting it's it's also because the how perceivable the result is is very different based on the medium yeah like tim is creating an entire new image from scratch and it's very visual and you get to look at this thing that dolly made and that tim made where if we're just tweaking or editing the way something sounds to a lot of

people that's more subtle and so it could pass more yeah and i and i could probably point out and be like oh did you hear that see that that's the ai but i think i mean it's it's proven you know we get tens of thousands of comments on every video. And no one was like, this sounds different. I mean, that is a good test. I think that's kind of what we did. Mariah probably edited like three main channel videos before because we don't announce new hires for three months. I think she had three full videos on the channel

and not a single person noticed an editing difference. And that is like the perfect test to be like, wow, this worked really well. I do want to say Adobe, if you're listening i'm looking dead into the camera if you're listening give me access to adobe podcast i've signed up for the wait list on every email i have i'm out of emails just just give me it just make more emails we need to try it we definitely need to try it yeah i'm trying to make this video dog well between autopod and this audio editing stuff if you are a white male in your 30s and you're sad

that you don't have a podcast like all your friends do don't worry man it's gonna get real easy real soon I just saw a really great tweet I want to find it because it's we keep talking about how like AI tools are like borderline replacing humans and then here's this video that I believe was created entirely from AI. It's a pizza commercial. Oh, no. And it's written by AI, voiced by AI, and video by AI. Is the text by AI?

Everything. The text, the whole video is by AI. As far as I can tell. It feels that way anyway. And the caption is, AI is now ai as far as i can tell it feels that way anyway and the caption is ai is now indistinguishable from reality it's hard to believe but this ad was ai generated it's not real the future is here i'm gonna play it for you guys all right oh god it already looks like the will smith eating spaghetti yeah the guy's eyes are just dead are you ready for best pizza of life bring friends down down to Pepperoni Hugspot.

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Eat Pepperoni Hugspot pizza. Your tummy say thank you. Your mouth say mmm. It's a Pizza Hut building.'s like family it's the pizza hut fun it's like family but with more cheese i do like that as a tagline it's like are you are you ready for beth's pizza of life it's pretty hilarious wait what was the name of it pepperoni hug spot yes that's a band name right there that That's a jam band in Brooklyn. Pepperoni Hub spot. I would totally do that. We'll put this one in the show notes.

But the idea is, yeah, the AI tools aren't like full on replacing people at what people do. But as far as helping people do what people do, they're really good. Yeah, ultimately, we make the joke about like taking over Adam and Ellis's job. But it ultimately just makes it way easier and then there's more stuff we can do with the free time yeah i could just tell jokes like what did one dinner plate say to the other dinner plate what what dinner is on me that's pretty good can i ask you guys an ai question i'm just out of curiosity so i've been using chat gpt for a lot of researchy

assistant-y sort of business. I've been running into this problem lately where I ask it a question and it responds very confidently like, yep, that's the answer. And then I say, hey, can you send me your sources for that? Well, it'll send me links

and they're all broken. Like all of them so they're generated links I can never even find the correct link it's almost like it's making up URLs that's possible you click the link and it goes to I get 404'd on the Verge's website

and then if you put the keywords in the URL in the Verge's search box there's nothing on Wayback Machine are you using ChatGBT? if you were using Bing it would cite sources in the Verge's search box. There's nothing on Wayback Machine. Are you using ChatGBT? Indeed. If you were using Bing, it would cite sources. ChatGBT does not have the ability to cite sources. I guess I should use Bing then.

Because when I tried it with BARD, BARD was just like, I'm not giving you sources. It was just like, no. I've only gotten BARD to give me a source once. Yeah, very few times has BARD given me. And that's when it chooses to give me a source. yeah very few times has bard given me and that's when it chooses to give me i thought their whole thing was to post sources i think being in bard we're supposed to being is every single time you do a bing search it gives you three plus sources wait bard does not have that no it always offers to google search whatever your query was and rate

positively or negatively the response you got, but it very rarely actually decides to sometimes give you a source or two. Yeah, randomly. I've gotten it once. Well, guys, I'm downloading Microsoft Edge. It's happening. I know. That happened to me, too.

I honestly, you need to be... It sounds like you've got a disease. Yeah, it happened to me, too. It could happen to you. Yeah, you should be really careful for what you, like, for information and fact-based things, don't trust it. No, I know. I was hoping it would just sort of like point me in the right direction, you know, and like scrape the internet for like the one. Use Bing.

Use Bing. Well, do I need to have Edge? Yeah. Right now, yeah. For the chat feature yeah yeah yeah it happened to me too it'll happen to you do you know where your kids are they're on microsoft okay speaking of things that happened way too late uh this is kind of a theme

no this is remember last week we had what would you phrase it as it was the most overdue tech feature yes ever and it was print screen being the snippet tool yeah starting in the snippet tool i love that you printed out your mom's text i I did. Mariah printed it out for me. That's so funny. This year, this week, we have an even more overdue text feature. Two of them actually. Two. That are

legitimately a decade after they should have happened. I'm not exaggerating. When I say a decade, I mean actually ten years after they should have happened. The first one. At least. The first one. Google one google authenticator adding sync now just for those of you who don't know who are unaware of how bad good but bad google authenticator is lots of waves of please use an authenticator app have happened over the internet's history where you realize oh sms two-factor is better than not two-factor,

but really easily sort of hackable, socially engineered. You can kind of get through that. And so we recommend you use an authenticator app. And for years, I've used Google Authenticator. And the problem with Google Authenticator is you can only sign into your Google Authenticator app with your Google account on one phone at a time. The worst possible thing ever for tech reviewers. Not bad for regular people, but if you're a tech reviewer who uses maybe two phones during the course of the year,

and you accidentally stop using one phone and you can't log into your account, it's a pretty big deal. It's also terrible for regular people because when you upgrade your phone, if you forget to deauthenticate it... Or if you break your phone. Or if you break your phone. Or lose your phone. I've heard of a lot of people who lost their phone or broke their phone

and it was just like, whelp. Yeah. GG. You just lost every account that you had that was supposed to be authenticated through Google Authentication. Hi, it me. That happened.

Adam no longer ever has access to uber ever again yeah so they i think i genuinely believe that there's like uh someone who runs some department at google who just forgot that they had an authenticator app and they just went oh yeah we should we have an authenticator app they sent the feature code in for review and just like forgot to review it and found it on their like old, their old desktop folder on their computer. And they're like, I was supposed to push this 10 years ago. They like open up an old laptop,

like, oh yeah, I had a feature thing I was going to work on. And now Google Authenticator has added sync. So you can sign into Google Authenticator from your Google account on more than one device at the same time. And I just want to know, not just 10 years, Sign into Google Authenticator from your Google account on more than one device at the same time. And I just want to know, not just 10 years.

Google Authenticator was created September 20th, 2010. 13 years. That's a long time. You know when Android was made? 2008? Yeah. Not very close. 2008, 2009? So this is legitimately one of the most overdue features ever i actually switched to offy because i got so tired of like not having the ability to just open whatever phone and log in

uh and so google you're just a little too late just a little too late to have me keep using it but you're probably like literally a decade too late for a lot of as the moron who doesn't like change i'm still using it so this will be paid off for me it'll be great it'll be much safer for you yeah you can drop your phone in the toilet and not get logged out of every account you own yeah it's great uh so that's the one google authenticator adding sync yeah the other is whatsapp renowned crowd favorite whatsapp yeah uh now supports do you use it i I do use WhatsApp on one phone because I have some contacts that use WhatsApp.

It now supports multi-device login. I'm going to scoot over so David can have the whole camera. Picture this. If you logged into WhatsApp on one phone and then you, let's say, had another phone, you couldn't log in to WhatsApp on that phone without booting yourself out of WhatsApp on the other phone. Yeah.

One at a time. You miss. And then also you have to back up all of your chats. Yeah, or they disappear. Or they disappear. So if you don't back it up to your Google Drive, because it's not even through your WhatsApp account that it gets backed up. It gets backed up to Google Drive. Then you have to download all of your WhatsApp messages onto your new

device, and it was single device only, plus one web browser or something. And that didn't work if you were switching ecosystems. So if you were going from Android to iOS, you just lost it. I think they just made it start working for Android. Yeah, so recently they've been

whatsapp's been adding a lot of features that they should have had a long time ago um but i just got i just gotta say is the most frustrating thing for me in the universe that whatsapp has become the de facto messaging app for the planet is it just because it's a bad app it's many things it's bad it's many things it's really bad yeah number one wait can i pause you right there this is gonna be the most engaged podcast we've i know dumping on whatsapp making fun of microsoft edge i can read all the comments and we're not even at the first i'm just like if you've ever used a a separate messaging client like telegram that is like insanely feature rich works on as many devices as possible syncs well syncs well like has a desktop client and a web client the thing i mean

specifically for tech reviewers whatsapp was extremely terrible because you would switch phones and you would forget to back up your chats and then you just lose everything we we actually a couple years ago like a bunch of tech reviewers we all had this like thing where we told all the pr people hey we're not using whatsapp reviewers, we all had this thing where we told all the PR people, hey, we're not using WhatsApp anymore because we keep losing all our messages. We're on Telegram now. If you want to contact us, go to Telegram. And it actually worked.

So I have a lot of people on Telegram now. So join Telegram because it's great. But okay, so number one was that it's bad, right? Number two, it's owned by meta like come on small detail it's it's uh yeah i i so i use obviously a bunch of different phones during the year which is not normal but i have an android phone in my right pocket and iphone in my left pocket

and as we know iphone android phones like we go through a lot of them as we review them when we switch our whole life over to them and it would be incredibly annoying to refresh my entire whatsapp history every time i review new android phone so i keep whatsapp on my iphone because at least that phone is in my pocket for a whole year before i test the next iphone yeah yeah but still every new iphone just have to go through this whole process and i didn't back it up i lost my chats every time because i just like get the new phone set it up and it's just sign into everything so I sign into whatsapp and it's fresh and then the other one goes bye and then it just loses everything so these are these are overdue features I would say on a scale of the most overdue google authenticator google authenticator we can all agree probably at the top of the list yeah uh

then you know probably a toss-up between print screen and whatsapp i feel like print print screen might be longer overdue but but i just can't window shift s was there the whole time i'm just a moron so maybe the whatsapp is a more important i think whatsapp is the more important feature yeah and it's up to four devices so that's at least better better i fully understand that this is a much bigger problem for like tech reviewers who switch phones a lot. Yes. But still.

And it's just a it's a it's a numbers thing. The amount of people that have everyone else on WhatsApp have everyone else on WhatsApp. And that's just the thing. It's just the way it is. Yeah. So anyway, get off WhatsApp. Get your family off WhatsApp. Good luck.

You're not going to. That's OK. It's going to take way more everything you thought, and you're just going to end up using WhatsApp anyway. I know. Sorry. Yeah. I just use SMS.

Just use RCS. And that's where we'll take a break. We'll take a break. We'll do a trivia question. Just use WhatsApp. And we'll be back after that, but let's do some trivia. Back in person for some trivia. You missed the lights, didn't you?

I did. All right, to make myself even more irrelevant, ChatGPT wrote this question. Wait, that means the answer's not... No, I fact-checked it. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

Let me rephrase that. ChatGPT wrote this question, and then I rewrote it to make it, you know, in my fun game show personality. That's the synergy we need with AI. Thank you. In 1994, IBM combined the PDA and the mobile phone into one device, creating what is widely considered to be the first smartphone. On top of having a 4.7-inch it also had email fax and pager capabilities what was the name of this device fax that throw me off 1994 is crazy but no no 94 94 yeah oh i

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new this one is just like they're rolling around with testing it literally says like follow us lucid motors on instagram facebook and twitter uh we kind of know that they're working on an suv yes we knew they were working on an suv and lucid came out and said you might start seeing some of their testing because they're on public roads testing it now and these are some spy shots whatever you want to call them someone caught it on a road it looks like a very rural road somewhere posted like a whole teaser is maybe this is that then um it looks very spy shoddy though because they're not great photos and they're kind of tilted but um but yeah the wrap on it is really not hiding any lines and has a big follow us at lucid motors with like a facebook page and a

twitter page but uh i first thoughts on this i think it looks really good i think these photos yeah it really looks like a taller lucid air i mean the air had an aesthetic already which was very squat and now it looks tall and it looks more natural to be taller like an suv yeah and i think if you haven't seen this photo yet but you know what the lucid air looks like that's a great way to describe it but once i saw this i more want to say that the lucid air looks like a squished version of the lucid gravity because i think the lucid gravity looks way better like i think lucid's design style fits better in this taller suv form factor than the smaller i what do you guys think like we've talked about the lucid air i love it hiato says it's the worst design car like in the

world he absolutely hates it i think it looks good i dig it i think it was wrong it's the worst designed car like in the world he absolutely hates it i think it looks good i dig it i think it was wrong it's different for sure the air we can make fun of him when he's not in the room the air is uh it it can grow on you it definitely doesn't look like other evs i don't love the two-tone and some of their colorways are pretty buick you know like beige old school i think of the like sebring because with the like soft top convertible yeah i think they're trying to be more like my bach two-tone and like iconic in their own way but ev so you know it's unique obviously i agree i think this this taller version looks better as an suv i just know it's going to be expensive because it's a lucid and this is what they do so like the if you just take the equivalent

tesla model s every lucid air that matches is like 30 more expensive so actually even more right now a plaid is 105 grand and a gt performance is 180 grand oh my god and the sapphire that's not even out yet is 250 grand so if you're going to compare this to a Model X, which is like $10,000, $15,000 more than the Model S, you're thinking this is $190,000? It's a base. Maybe. I mean, if they're smart, it won't be $190,000,

but it probably will be easy in the six figures for the base version of this thing. Crazy. But it will probably be really, really firm. It will probably be thing uh crazy but it will probably be really really firm it will probably be really well made it will probably be really fast and will probably have lots of storage because lucid did that really well with the cars yeah true yeah i mean i think this is gonna i think it looks great from this the one thing that worries me since there is a wrap around it how glossy like the quote-unquote grill might be it does look like there is a wrap around it, how glossy like the quote unquote grill might be.

It does look like there's a little lip in there. So maybe the whole front trunk pops up. Do you know how like the Ford F-150 versus the Rivian front trunk is like a- Way deeper. It's deeper. It's not just that it's deeper. It's that the front access to it, like the Rivian, you have to go up and over a lip.

It's like a tub. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like a big tub you look down in. And then the F-150, the hood goes between the lights. So when it picks up, there's like a slot into it. Oh, yeah, like a shelf. This looks like that might kind of be like that between the lights. Maybe that's where the trunk picks up.

But there's also another line. So maybe just not at all. The headlights look pretty good on this, too. I think the headlights look so good, man. It looks way better in this than like smushed down in the sedan style. I think the reason they're making this is pretty obvious. These sell more. Like there's a famous Lamborghini story where like they're selling a couple hundred cars a year.

And then they come out with the Urus, which is an SUV. And then America goes, oh, finally, I can buy a Lamborghini and not be lacking back seats. And that thing basically kept their business afloat. Like, the Urus is the most common thing they sell. If you look at Porsche sales numbers, I'm sure the Cayenne and the Macan are probably half their sales. That's like how they make their money in the US.

So, Lucid, notoriously struggling to make money, selling very, very expensive cars. If they want to make some more money and stay afloat they should at least offer an suv and america can decide if they want to buy this one too or not i mean yeah americans love giant cars if you can't absolutely destroy something walking through a crosswalk we don't really want it so like loose is on the right track i was just gonna say when i was in iceland last week i saw one total f-150 yeah like when i was in texas i saw one every minute yeah yeah there are a lot of jeeps there and there's like a lot of off-road vehicles but f-150s are like very american yeah yeah yeah yeah so that yeah a lot of like

off-roadish vehicles and then a lot of really tiny cars like citrones well yeah and iceland like a lot of people doing it there's and then a lot of really tiny cars like Citroens. Well, yeah, and Iceland, like a lot of people doing it, there's all those different travel agencies where you rent some sort of semi-off-roading thing to drive around and go into all the different- I rented a Jeep and got it stuck in the mud. Nice. That's pretty classic though. That's what you got to do with a Jeep.

Yeah, exactly. Did you guys see the Lucid CarPlay video that I tweeted? Yeah. So there's this video, if you haven't seen it, of, we mentioned this in a previous episode, but Lucid finally caved and added wireless CarPlay to the Lucid Air. And if you do enable it, it's like this little square cutout on the second screen and it's just boom.

You got CarPlay on this little window on the screen. And the reason that's weird is because the second screen in the Lucid is like a flat 90 degree on one side and then the other side curves down almost like a like dolphin fin yeah on its side yeah so for the longest time lucid did not offer android auto or carplay it's their own software they tried to do everything navigation car features charging all that stuff and you know people keep asking for carplay so they finally caved and did it uh partially probably because they're a little desperate. Well, because 80% of people wouldn't buy a car without CarPlay.

Clearly, yes. This is the, everyone knows. 80%. It's a fact of life. 80%. And you look at this video, and there is a reason why, but it is unbelievably ugly.

It's so slow, first of all, because it turns out there's a bug with CarPlay where if you're recording video with your iPhone, and that iphone is also casting for wireless carplay it will perform terribly so as he goes through the menu it's just like stuttering and slow because he's recording on the iphone that's using carplay but even just that's not fair i didn't realize that that's a problem with like carplay but that's just also like it's it's just bad I guess that scenario it should never really be happening though recording video on the phone that's sending carplay you should be able to do that I think is that a hot take hand your hand your iphone your passenger okay I'm glad you I'm glad you said that part but

he should be able to take a video I feel like it's or a picture you're driving past something like niagara falls you're like oh my man like take a picture uh we're gonna set the next navigation point real quick but take a video of niagara falls as we pass by and suddenly your car play is like crawling to a halt oh that just happens that's just the way it is i think it should be hot take the iphone powerful enough to fix that i think i should be able to film other people while i'm driving yeah your phone should be whatever but the idea i'm just looking at this video i'm just like the the way they cut this window into that like arc to display it's just like it's such a it looks like an afterthought for sure and it just reminded me again why i don't think car companies are very good at making software yeah even if they are a california startup they're still not great at it

yeah i feel like there's got to be some way to just be like here's the square but like match the background because in that video or a different no i think it was that video he was like well if you set the background of everything to black it looks less bad but you can still totally tell the problem is is since the bottom left corner is a perfect right angle it fits perfectly there but then the top starts curving so you can see the curve go over with the background that's not carplay connect to the corner of the square that is carplay and then continue to go over into another triangle you know what's interesting to me you remember last year at wwdc when apple did their biggest vaporware thing they've done in a long time. And they were like, CarPlay is now going to be in every car,

and we're going to make it a platform that you can build on top of. And then literally nothing. And that zero. In that demo, it was like, it was taking over like seven different totally random screens on the car and like flowing perfectly. It had like your calendar up over in the passenger seat. And it had a call and it had the map.

And that was a year ago because WWDC is about to happen again. And we have seen not one single thing. No cars have done it. And that was like 20 to 30 minutes of the presentation. I was fascinated by that. And you know what that just reminded me of? This one up's the Lucid. The worst ever CarPlay implementation I've ever seen.

And that is the Ferrari 296 GTB. If you do Car play in the Ferrari, the Ferrari only has one screen, which is your tachometer, your speed and everything. And if you do car play on the Ferrari, your tach disappears and you just have car play in the middle.

It's just like big icons and your speedometer is gone. Which, you know, in a Ferrari, it doesn't matter, right? It's dangerous in a Ferrari to not have a speedometer. You know, it doesn't matter how fast you're going if you're driving a Ferrari. You're going to get pulled over anyway. Very quickly lose track of that. I'm really going to take that out of my list of next cars to buy.

That's crazy. If you were thinking about getting that car, just know that CarPlay disappears your tech. Holy hell. And then also in in that apple thing what they're saying like your speedo will be in carplay your tack will be in car like yeah but now it's just like yeah it would have been in that car it would have been really interesting if you could fully take over the display and show me the range show me the speed show me the things that the tack was going to show me yeah and carplay stuff well that was the idea right it was supposed to be like every evie manufacturer makes different kinds

of screens and they're different shapes and so then you can like kind of build on top of carplay to add your own elements and all this stuff but like i think that polestar and maybe maybe volvo or something which is polestar were like the only manufacturers that they said they had on board and then they also just never did anything. Polestar is Android Automotive, too. Yeah, it makes sense. But they also have CarPlay now.

And that makes sense, because they're doing Android Automotive, so it's going to be a screen that's already similar to what Android Auto and CarPlay are looking for, which are rectangles. This comes back to also when we talked to RJ about like, why do you not do car play in the Rivian?

And his answer was, well, we want to control everything. And that makes sense. Uh, probably because if you do have weird size screens, like the lucid, you don't really want to make it look horrible with car play.

And now do we see what that looks like? But also like the Rivian has two rectangular screens. Yeah. Which is perfect for it. Why not just have an option yeah i don't know they want to be tesla i guess brought me to this question of would you rather though have a poor looking carplay or android automotive or just none at all like if you had a bad looking like i see that lucid and it looks terrible but if i had a lucid i would still use carplay on it because i think carplay maps or android automotive maps or ways is just better it depends on how slow and glitchy the built-in one is exactly it depends on how bad the built-in is okay let's say it works

fine looks bad but you still get like you get your ways and everything like that like i i couldn't imagine buying a rivian like i really want a rivian but i'd be so sad buying a rivian and then having to buy a car mount to put my phone with ways yeah next to this giant capable screen that can put ways on it the most common thing i see in tesla model 3s is someone putting like a little attachment for magsafe to put their phone right next to the huge screen that's already there because people want to use ways and they want to use whatever their phone looks like yeah i mean i think these these like new tech well we call them like tech car manufacturers that are very much like software forward like tesla rivian lucid

while their gps is a thousand times better than a legacy manufacturer um they're still behind google maps and ways and yeah and apple so the hierarchy is they're closer carplay and android auto when they work well are at the top then tesla rivian lucid with their built-in systems with no carplay and no android auto right underneath that and this might be debatable but then underneath that all the cars that have absolute garbage infotainment systems that you never even look at because you just use Android Auto and Apple CarPlay. And the debate is, do you put those above or below Tesla, Rivian, and Lucid? Below. Below?

Yeah. Because I think a lot of people go, I just want CarPlay. I don't really like that Tesla's can't do what you're saying. Oh, I see what you're saying. Because it has it. Yeah. And then the one that doesn't have that with it's only its own GPS system is like in the trash can behind the building.

Yeah, the Bentley I'm reviewing right now. Oh man, that's a rough one to have. Yeah, it's bad. I think wireless CarPlay helps a lot, but for some reason, like needing to plug your, I mean, it's good that it charges your phone when you have it wired, but it feels kind of hacky to like plug in your phone

and then have like your phone appear on the screen i guess i have it plugged in on mine and it's not it's not just like your phone's plugged in it's still it's completely on android auto like ui and everything and i i love it in mine i wish it was wireless yeah just because i'd rather put my phone somewhere else and not have a big wire hanging out all over the place but like i still car like android auto is my favorite i'm i totally love it it was like i made sure my car which unfortunately subaru took forever to put it in but like i had to make sure the car i bought had android that was like my number one thing are you 80 of users well it's android auto yeah it's funny all these cars that i'm reviewing it's like the second i get in my

first question is does it have android auto or apple, it's like the second I get in, my first question is, does it have Android Auto or Apple CarPlay? And then the second question is, where do I put my phone and can I see my phone where I have to put it? So a lot of them, like right now, the Tesla has the wireless charger right below the screen and my phone like sits up like nicely on the wireless charger and I can still see it. So I actually don't mind that there's no carplay because my phone is right there facing me on something like the ionic six it is like underneath on this like sideways wireless charger so you cannot see your phone so in that case i'm like you better have some way to use wireless carplay or like android auto or

something like that and they have wired so i need the cable but that's like the the hierarchy of like how i go into a car rivian's kind of like in the middle it's on your like armrest which is under the armrest it's it's on top of it's like at the front of your arm right yeah there's one that's like under the armrest was that the um there's a bunch i think the eqs yeah yeah all of those if it was just on the screen would be exactly yep like i understand what they're probably trying to do, where they're like, you're not supposed to use your phone while you're driving anyway, put it in the charger. But if they had wireless card play, that would solve both problems. Yep.

You're not using your phone and you would get the stuff on the display. And we're assuming the reason they don't want to do this is gathering information, correct? Through their own math software? It's twofold. Yeah. One is, you're a car company. You make your own software. You give one is you're a car company. You make your own software.

You give the user the best experience you can, where to charge, how to be efficient, what routes to use. And if you offer this thing that is CarPlay, suddenly you're just giving up all the control over whatever Apple thinks should be on that screen. And the second is, yes, maybe you do something with that data, you use that data you sell ads

whatever happens to that data but i think the control is the one that they're all saying forwardly because that makes the most sense you want to offer the best experience for the user how will apple carplay know how much range is left on my car and what i'm going to get to i think that might be an upcoming feature because a lot of evs as you're going to the charger they'll go all right you're five minutes away. I'm going to start preconditioning the battery for fast charging. If I go use Android Auto, the car doesn't know to do that. So those types of things like make the experience of an EV better if the software is actually good.

And I think that's what Apple was hoping would happen when they introduced this quote unquote platform that I don't think actually exists. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe they're still working on it? Maybe. I just like that Apple went from that. It's like any screen, anywhere, totally integrated. And the first thing we see is Apple trying to fit a triangle block into the square block of the Lucid.

Maybe Apple is done with it and just no car company wants to do it. Because why would they give up their whole thing to some other company who could just push a software update and do something they don't like they want to be a platform Apple car incoming

I guess the Apple car will be the one 100% of people will like that car what if the Apple car is not real and it's really just the platform that they were building the whole time? They were just using a body of a car so they could build a software platform. That would be a lot of work.

Yeah, but making cars is probably more work. Just make the rest of the car. Just put wheels on it. How hard can it be? Do you guys know about the USSV Rhino GX? You're going to have to explain that one. It's's the new i might not even be that new anymore it's like it's one of those cars that you have to get like special ordered and it's only for bill it's an suv it's like completely

bulletproof i don't even know if the windows go down okay um it's three hundred thousand dollars i've seen something like there's no carplay i was just looking it up i was curious don't want it yeah i was gonna get it but now i don't want it anymore yeah unless my phone can go right below the screen and then i can see my phone screen still you know it's so funny this car uh despite being three hundred thousand dollars and being luxuried out has the most like used alpine media player i've ever seen. Yeah, that actually sounds right. Does it?

Yeah, those extremely expensive companies that just want to be made for super, super rich people, but they're also an old-ish company. They're never going to think about software. I think this is a new-ish company. I don't know. I just developed a theory. Yeah? The more expensive the car, the worse the software.

No, because the Maybach had really good software, didn't it? Not really. Never mind. No, the Maybach had terrible software. And keep going up in price, it gets worse and worse. Yeah. Like the McLaren, don't even think about it. Like, it's just HVAC.

That's all it does. If you pull up that map, you'll be really unimpressed. So you're saying the Mini Cooper had the best software. Yeah. As a twerking dog. If you go up, I guess there's like a curve where it's like at a super low price, there's nothing good. And then at a middle price, you get like CarPlay or you get a Tesla or something like that. And then you go to like more expensive like six-figure cars. And like EQS and like Bentleys and sports cars.

And they go right back to the bottom. We could talk for a long time about car software. But in order to avoid doing that, we should take a break. So let's do some trivia. All right. Trivia question number two. Going back a bit.

WhatsApp was founded in February of 2009 by co-founders Brian Acton and Jan Koum. I think is how you pronounce his name. I don't know. They were famously bought by Meta in 2014 for $1.5 billion. But before any of this, what major tech company did they both work for? Before they made WhatsApp. Before they made WhatsApp. I remember them working for a major tech company, but not which one they were in. Dang.

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You're in the hot seat now, pretty much. Yes, sure. So like, can we really quickly go through like how all of this came to? Because I don't think people who watched our videos yet know exactly how it started or even like how long this has been going on for. I can totally abbreviate. Yeah. Do you remember how you first got in contact with them?

I do. 2020, I bought an Adams mask. That's the first thing I ever interacted with Adams at the very beginning. And it was great. It was super comfortable. That became like the default for me. Wore it everywhere. Loved it.

Got a couple more. Put one in my car. Put one in my backpack. So I loved Adams already. I didn't really think too much about the shoes because I already had shoes that I liked and I didn't get any new shoes. But then Alexis Ohanian connected us again, said, hey, like Adams, you guys make good stuff.

Marquez, you like Adams products. You guys should collaborate on a custom shoe. That was Alexis's idea at the beginning. For people that don't know, Alexis Ohanian is the founder of Reddit. Yes. And the husband to Serena Williams. Yeah, and an all-around great dude.

And an investor in Adams, of course, and many other things. That's where they connect. And so he mentions this idea, and I'm like, that's a good idea. And I tried some Adams shoes, and I liked them, and they were comfortable. And then the question came up of like, well, what do you mean by custom? Because this opportunity has existed before. Putting my name on an almost finished product and just shipping it and calling it a day wasn't really that appealing to me. And got in touch with Adams and they were basically like, we love this idea.

Blank slate. What do you want to make? I was like, whoa. Like, really? From the beginning? Like a whole new shoe and they were super down and so that became like the sort of base point this is back in 2020 where it was like all right let's just do because I'm not a shoe designer the way I use products is I know

what I like and don't like about other shoes that I've like any product I like some certain things I don't like certain other things so my job was to put together all the things that I liked about some shoes, all the things that I didn't like about some shoes. And then we'll start to put that in one place, create designs and just start fresh from there. Yeah. I even two years ago, I remember back then the first meeting wasn't even fully like, okay, we're doing this right now. It was like, they wanted to come in and they grilled you with questions for like two hours

to make sure that this like seemed like an appropriate collaboration. And I really like respected that back then because it's so easy, like you said, to just say, hey, we are a company. You are influencer. Please slap your name and let's make money. Yeah, it was very different. The difference is most of the time that comes from the marketing department sure and i think this time it came from product people and i when i product person talks to another product person and you can really

appreciate a product together that language is pretty like it clicked pretty fast so we both knew what we wanted to do what we wanted to make and what our priorities would be like from the beginning and god we must have like over a hundred different design drawings and random possible versions of the shoe colorways materials shapes silhouettes styles all kinds of stuff yeah that we went through i think actually when adam and david first joined the team one of the first things in slack that got posted was this like pdf of like yeah 50 different which designs do you like and it was just like they came in and immediately we're all like debating which ones we like the best there are some really really sick ones i like 26 54 and 59 i like 9 21 and 20 23 and this was like our second week too so i'm like do i have input because yeah yeah it was sick and like everybody

was picking different numbers too because there were just a lot of different color combinations and styles and like highs and like mid and like different straps or laces and whatnot and they yeah they're all really sick i've really learned that you can mess up a shoe you can go really really far in one direction and it will be a bad shoe because a product is a product is a bunch of different decisions that you make and if you make a bunch of wrong decisions and flip the switch the wrong way a bunch of times you can get a shoe that's just like has no support at all or it's just bad well we had that one that came in and you're like this is so sick and then you wore it and like a couple steps the like whole sides were like collapsing in on each other and making these giant creases out that looked like bird wings almost and it was like oh this is not going to

work at all and complete redesign after that yeah so that that was the beginning we kind of went back and forth i mean i can describe it as basically the classic like me saying what i want getting a prototype me going ah, ah, I see. And then describing a bunch of changes that I want and then going back and forth, getting a prototype. Ah, OK, here's how that looks. And then just going through that process a bunch of times. That's the basic skeleton of how it went. But it was like we had to make decisions to optimize for comfort. There are decisions to optimize for aesthetics, to optimize for cost, to optimize for everyday wear versus like this

isn't going to be like a sport specific shoe but it is a high top and most high tops are a little more specific use if they're not like everyday wear so there's a there's a ton of decisions that go into something like this um and even price like i was the price is 189 and listen no one thinks that's a cheap shoe. Like it is not a cheap shoe. It is a quality premium shoe. But if you look at Adam's other shoes, which are entirely different, they're a very similar price.

I think they're like $160, $170. So to think of a shoe with materials they've never made before, high top, their other ones are lows. Their other ones are basically one color. Everything matches. These are leather or synthetic leather and all sorts of material yeah and to make something like that that's then only like 15 plus you want to throw like influencer tax on if you want to call it that like i think it's pretty impressive and a lot of shoes are similarly priced again

i'm someone who buys shoes on sale i spent 60 bucks on shoes it's expensive but like i don't think it's that wildly wildly priced i think my my main thing that sort of encapsulates all of it is i really want people to wear these because i've been wearing so many prototypes that had so many flaws and now that we have the final version and i'm like wearing them like basically every day now i'm like man when people get these they're going to really appreciate them if they actually wear them. And so if you just like get them, look at them, or just look at a picture online,

you're like, oh, that's not worth the price. But when you put them on, you're like, dang, these are really light. These are really comfortable. And these are like decent looking. And I kind of think they look sick, but that's just like, cause I designed them. So of course I think they look sick.

Then you'll appreciate it more. So I think, I hope people wear them. And I'm considering, not sure if I'm gonna be able to do this, but I'm considering wearing them every single day thing uh then then you'll appreciate it more so i think i i hope people wear them and i'm considering not sure if i'm gonna be able to do this but i'm considering wearing them every single day for the next year and seeing how that goes and i'll have the pair that was worn the most with however many thousands of steps i take and however many miles i walk you're like that guy with the model s the first one to drive like a hundred thousand miles yeah i will i i am the one most well suited to do this

because i've already had mine for several days that are perfect and we'll see how long i can wear them i'll hold you to that yeah i want to i want to see that i want a picture every single all the rest of my shoes start to get lonely yeah you know but i that makes it easy to pack because i don't have to wear i'll probably wear other shoes for sport specific things obviously i'm not gonna golf in these but but like, this is, this is my mission. We'll see how it goes. We did actually design them to fit perfectly in the moonwalkers.

Um, we did not. Yes, we did. Yeah, we did. Right. Absolutely. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. David and I contacted Sidron will cost separately to make sure that they fit perfectly. I see. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Very important fact. I mean, they are soft. This is, there's another random fact. I've had like a heel issue called plantar fasciitis for like four or five months. I have that too. I have it on my right foot.

And so the help that I got from the podiatrist was like this insert to put in all of my shoes. So I've been taking the insert out and putting it in the new pair of shoes that I wear every day. I have a pair in my cleats. And every time I put a pair in my shoes, I take it out, putting it in the new pair of shoes that I wear every day. I have a pair in my cleats and every time I put a pair in my shoes, I take it out, put it in the shoes and wore those shoes for the day. These are the only shoes that I don't have to put the inserts in because the heel is actually soft enough and cups and supports well enough and has arch support just enough with the heel toe drop that I don't wear them in these shoes, only these. So if you go to a podiatrist you can get a doctor's note yeah and your insurance will cover the purchase of yeah just get these super feet inserts or

these two five ones what's it gonna be because there's the same price so it's uh it's up to you no i i think they came out great well so the next thing i want to ask you though is now for yesterday it released today's Wednesday. We're recording when he were, this got released yesterday. Marquez sat in front of his desk for the entire day. I think every single person in the office was like, dude, are you doing okay? Like it was just like phone, computer, phone, computer, phone, computer, back and forth,

back and forth, answering, retweeting, like looking at you watched probably every video that came out about it yeah everyone how's it feel how's it feel to be in the hot seat it's funny i i get it now i get the stress of like sometimes i'll get an email from a product manager who's like you can tell they're stressing out about the videos that came out about their product and to me i'm just like look i'm making my video like it's one video um everyone's gonna have thoughts about the thing we'll probably agree on a lot of things but now being on the other side we're like I want to see what everyone thinks about every little thing

yes I got a lot of screen time yesterday between YouTube videos and people did unboxings people did reviews kinda and also just like showcasing them and just like checking them out which is super cool I got to hear basically what everyone thought about every single feature about the laces about the looks about the bags that they got uh which we might want to do more

of about the actual materials and the lightweight of the shoe uh super fun videos i'll shout out a few because they were fun linus did a video it was amazing Linus did a great video yeah reviewing it uh kind of poking fun at us uh but as a sandal he reviewed it as a sandal which was hilarious and he did his like his uh his labs thing where he measures it and does some like vertical leap testing blah blah it was all obviously kind of like a extended April Fool's Day yeah yeah but it was really long too it was great I enjoyed so well made great. I enjoyed it. So well made. And to Linus' team's credit, which we all know

they can make videos very quickly, like these shoes to influencers got out like last week. They have not had a lot of times with these. This got pushed to the edge

and they made an incredible video. It was a really good video. It was awesome. So that was super cool to see. Even an intro. They redid the intro. They did a Linus intro how long were they sitting on that

do you think they were like working on that as soon as they found out about the project there's no way you make that now nothing made our intro and so did Linus yeah

so there are three versions of the MKBHD intro like genuinely well we have to do a waveform one and they all stole and they all stole Ellis's audio no

Linus didn't attempt the audio he just took yours right oh he did yeah yeah Linus's video is great I also do wonder if when so the Adam team is clearly fashion people

I don't know if they understand our like tech memedom that's going on here so I'm just like wondering them seeing Linus of 15 million subscriber page and then seeing that being like i don't know how to think about this when we were watching all of the videos i think that the really fun thing was that everyone that we sent it to did it like it was a regular video that they would normally make and seeing everyone doing their style of video but with this shoe was just really funny and like in a really

fun way too zach had like fake legs in his short i was nervous that zach was going to take a knife to it which was that would have been the second most extreme thing after dave 2d painted an entire shoe yeah from top to bottom in teal and white and then didn't unboxing he kind of he basically pranked me he got he pranked you he got me good i was behind the camera getting your reaction yeah and like i just assumed it was gonna be pretty normal dave was like oh my god i was like wow dave thanks for hyping us up that's a really intense and then marquez is like wait wait what is that and like i got scared on the side i was like did something happen did we send them the wrong shoes what's going on and i because i couldn't see it it was he got you pretty good

but he got me dave had a great one becca's video was i guess it's awesome yeah the best part about hers other than the transitions was her just spitting the sneaker for like 20 seconds to make sure the video was exactly 200 two minutes and 51 51 seconds. That was awesome. Also, shout out to the Jersey girl. I just am. I just am. I just am. Yeah, lots of really good stuff. I'm going to link as many as I can in the show notes.

Shout out to everybody who's just messaged me about them. Even if you didn't make anything, I got lots of useful feedback about them. It's been pretty crazy. Pretty crazy. Yeah, and we're looking forward to them getting in everybody else's hands to see people that aren't friends reviewing them checking them out feedback stuff like that yeah yeah i'm excited should we talk about how they run slightly big if people

are going to order them from the podcast worth mentioning so there's a size chart on atoms but a lot of people don't click that they just like order the normal size if you are curious about sizing they run a little big meaning if you're typically a 10 for example i would order a nine and a half yeah in these um they're obviously stretchy laces and you can go too small and be fine i'd rather be too small but i would take a half size off your normal size especially if you're like between two definitely pick the smaller one of the two um and when you do get them, laces being elastic. By the way, Adam's laces are like the best thing. I just found out you can order them by themselves. I'm probably gonna order like 10 pairs just for all of my other shoes.

But mine actually felt a little tight, a little long, but a little tight. But once you loosen it up with all the laces, they stick really well. And then being able to slip on a high top is wild. Low key, this is probably the first ever slip on high top because of the laces like there are other high tops and you could loosen up your laces and then slip them on and then tie them but these you can actually if you have to tie it right right

this might be low-key if you want to call it a tech feature the first ever slip on high top just throwing it out there what about the balenciagas though who's that there we go no that's it who who but yeah i heard um i heard two two five one two point is going to be uh replicating like a crock who would oh oh sorry wakasa and i have been talking about that on the side. Didn't realize you weren't privy to these conversations. No, yeah. I love what we made, obviously.

Because I, yeah, obviously. I hate what we made. I'm excited to get this in the hands of people. There's a billboard in Times Square right now of the shoes. That's pretty amazing. That's amazing. And that's also really cool becauseon and vin worked really hard on all those photos and i'm really happy that they have a photo up and they're like that's that's a bucket list kind of thing yeah that's really cool it's almost like the funny story i know billboards don't convert sales because they're billboards

yeah and this is an online website so like it doesn't really work that way but the billboard was live like a day before release yeah one person one person noticed went to time square and went wait a second and tweeted a picture of the billboard at me the night before the shoes came out and i was like oh my god it's out it's our embargo is broken yes what is going on this is the most epic way i know and we are huge billboard and literally it was totally fine nobody it's more of just like the pride of just like because there's 10 million billboards in timescore you just kind of get that moment where you're like all right this feels pretty real it's really physical which is cool yeah so yeah it's out

there any ideas for what you'd want to do for a version two i mean now that i've seen dave paint them teal i think you got to think about other colorways that's like a pretty obvious evolution of 251 we got to start with the obvious red and black but that feels like a pretty obvious there are some cool like blue and orange prototype prototype like a lot of photos we saw early that looked really sweet. One, they colored it after, like, a McLaren that we had done a video on, and it looked sick. I get

why that's not MKBHD colors, but that looked really good. Yeah, there are a lot of good-looking prototypes that we didn't make, so that's out there. I'm glad it's, I'm glad all of the two years of work, this is the funny thing, because we make a YouTube video and we have this idea in our head, and within five days, it's out to the world, and it's I'm glad all of the two years of work this is the funny thing because we make a YouTube video and we have this idea in our head and within five days

it's out to the world and it's really satisfying to get that immediate feedback this one was like we had an idea 75 weeks ago yeah and we're finally getting it out this week which is crazy so yeah it's out there now yeah all right

trivia time So it's out there now. Yeah. All right. Trivia time. All right. In 1994, IBM combined the PDA and the mobile phone into one device, creating what is widely considered to be the first smartphone. On top of having a 4.7-inch touchscreen, it also hadx and pager capabilities i might be really wrong that's i we we wrote the same thing just based off what you said okay i think we wrote the same thing reminder it is manufactured by ibm the international business machine i'm definitely wrong what was the name now i think'm wrong, but I still think we have the same answer. 5-E-M. But I don't know what else to put.

Exactly. We have the same answer. All right, I'm leaving this. All right. 1994. I know, that's my thing. That's a long time ago. That was the only part of it that ChatJPT got

wrong. It said it was released in 93, which it wasn't. ChatJPT. I'm sorry. I didn't mean it. Am I right? Flip them. I'm wrong. Andrew and I did in fact say the same thing. Palm Pilot.

Palm. I said the Blackjack, which is also wrong but it yeah do you remember the blackjack no no it was like a pda slash early smartphone that competed with the blackberry who was it by though i don't remember i just that's why i thought i was thinking of like blackberry but that's got to be like 2000 this might have been blackjack is samsung samsung oh it was like a blackberry i had a keyboard and it was like yeah pretty cool palm pilot are you in closest wins uh yeah closest out going over um i had a palm pilot for like all of elementary and middle school i was that weird

kid elementary reason yeah i was like i don't want to use, like, a normal planner agenda. Like, I want to use a Palm Pilot. Wow. Rocked it. No, the correct answer is the IBM Simon. Oh. The IBM Simon. I just looked it up. The first Palm Pilot was 1997.

That's pretty close. But that was by Palm. That was, it was called, yeah, Palm. I wasn't sure. And they called it the Palm Pilot Personal. That's a lot of alliteration. This had an rj11 connector built into it too meaning that you could take your cell phone yeah plug it into your landline connection and it would become a landline that's awesome also uh nine hundred dollars in 1994 was eighteen hundred dollars today that's fold the sam It's the Samsung Fold, yeah.

Yeah. This thing looks like the just like the quintessential old black. What was the one you did on there? The Motorola. Oh, I had the original. The one on Retro Tech? Yeah, that was a Motorola. Yeah.

Just like straight black antenna, giant ear cup, but rather than buttons, it has like a super narrow super green yeah the dynatech yeah uh touch screen and like it just has numbers and some like little folders on the bottom yeah yeah so you need a stylus to use that touch screen which is hilarious like putting a stylus on your phone and i don't know if you noticed but that right bezel is so much bigger than the left

bezel this thing's got to be almost like a foot tall look at there's the this is it compared to a like iphone 5 yeah it's probably double the height of it yeah and the same width all right second question so whatsapp was founded in 2009 by co-founders brianon and Jan Koum, I think. WhatsApp was famously bought by Meta in 2014 for $1.5 billion. But before any of this, what major tech company did they both work for? That was fast. Because I have no idea yeah i've heard the answer to this before but it wasn't stored in my ssd yeah it got erased from local memory yeah just think if you're gonna make an

app as bad as whatsapp what terrible platform are you gonna leave prior to that well that almost sounds like a platform that's a big hint. That's messed up. Flip them and read. Okay. Well, I said Google. I said AOL. I also said Google because

I was like, yeah, Google would have made a really amazing chat app and then it got sold to Meta. The correct answer is i was i wanted to do that so the score remains unchanged marquez with 14 andrew with 9 david with 13 i don't remember marquez passing me because you were in iceland you were in iceland did he get two points last week no he got a point yeah and he got closer remember you didn't it was the one who gets closest without going over and that was you only got one point were we tied

before that no I got a point for being closer and I got another point for getting the answer right Oh of a different question clearly someone doesn't watch our podcast David there's no podcast there aren't podcasts in Iceland Adam there's only Nordic casts like Viking calls by casts our guys take us home either way hey listen we appreciate you guys wait wait Andrew has point six nine points a game nice right now at this very moment? Shout out to Andrew. That's a solid average. Good batting average right there. Very nicely done.

Anyway, okay. That's been it. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening this week. We'll catch you guys in the next one. Peace. Waveformer is produced by Adam Alina and Ellis Roven for now until AI takes over. We're partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network and our intro after music was created by Vane Sill. Bye.