Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - This Could Be the Best Smartphone But…

Episode Date: November 14, 2025

In this episode, Marques, Andrew, and David start off talking about the newest Apple Pocket accessory that was released before getting into the OnePlus 15. After that, they talk about Marques getting interviewed by LeBron James, the new Spotify Wrapped weekly feature, and GTA 6 getting delayed (again). Then they wrap it all up with a game of HYPEathetically speaking. Enjoy! Links: Apple iPhone Pocket: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2025/11/introducing-iphone-pocket-a-beautiful-way-to-wear-and-carry-iphone/ MKBHD - OnePlus 15 video: https://youtu.be/2MdQWo9fHZs?si=QxIvodONzlBC9oU2 LeBron James x Marques: https://youtu.be/htRERdGz4bI?si=mYJmXIMzt3EnwaTC Verge - iPhone Air 2 delayed: https://www.theverge.com/news/817908/apple-iphone-air-second-generation-delayed Rockstar Games - GTA 6 delayed: https://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/ak3ak31a49a221/grand-theft-auto-vi-is-now-set-to-launch-november-19-2026 This episode brought to you by: Framer: https://www.framer.com/design (code: wave) Grammarly: https://www.superhuman.com/podcast LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/MKBHD Monarch Money: https://www.monarch.com (code: wave) T-Mobile: https://www.t-mobile.com/switch Music provided by Epidemic Sound Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Social: Waveform Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Waveform Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en Hosts: Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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By insane or is every knit 3D? Well, everything is 3D because of the really 3D world. But I don't know. I want to touch it, I guess. It's not interesting. I don't want to buy it. It's not interesting, but I do want to touch it.

But someone, I'm not going to say any names, was into Slack this morning asking if Apple had sent it. Yeah, I wanted to brush it. I shoot on the podcast. Yeah, what is up, people of the internet. Welcome back to another episode of the Wayform podcast. We're your host. I'm Marquez.

I'm Andrew. And I'm Nintendo Switch 2. And we're back. In this episode, we've got a $200 sock. You'll understand what that means in a second. Grand Theft Auto 6 is delayed. E-ink frame impressions, a new Spotify weekly wrapped, and we whip together some main channel metrics for smartphone season. Because numbers are fun.

They are. Wow. Yeah. That's a lot of stuff. wide variety. Because it's TechVember. It doesn't roll off the time. It's a little more difficult. We can't call TechVember

when we were scrounging to talk about stuff this week. Yeah, not as many new things are coming out. That's what September and October, TechTember and Tectober are mostly about. And then everything's on the shelf for the holiday season, which is basically starting now because people are buying things

around Thanksgiving and Black Friday and Saturday and Sunday and all that. Like Sox. Is that the first thing we should talk about? I'm down. I feel like we already teed it up. It's the news. It's the news of the week. It actually is the news of the week. It's unfortunately the news of the week. Unfortunately. So here's what happened. Apple released a new fashion collab product. We've seen many fashion collab products from tech companies before with the likes of Supreme and whatever other fashion brands. This one being

more popular overseas. It is essentially an iPhone case that is knit. and looks like a sock, basically. Yeah, there's two of them. There's a long one and a short one. Yes, and they start at $149 and $229? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So the last time Apple did a fashion collab was Airmez in 2015.

So it was quite a-old. Yeah, quite a while ago, which makes sense. So this is the same guy that, the guy that designed the iPhone, what was it called? It's called the iPhone Pocket. Yeah. Not to be confused with the Game Boy Pocket. Which was awesome. Which was also awesome.

But it's the same guy. Probably about the same price. Probably about the same price. Same guy that designed Steve Jobs' turtleneck. So it seems that Apple is kind of going with like a heritage play here. And he's like, but yeah, you get two options. It's called iPhone Pocket because the whole idea of it was to have an additional pocket on you that you could carry your iPhone with. Yeah.

and you know there's a cross-body one right that is the bigger one that's the $230 one yeah and then there's one that is much shorter that is made to be sort of like carried around your wrist and also tied to things that kind of stuff it's just so incredibly easy to dunk on this I will say there's one there's one thing I like about these the colors the colors are dope they're bright insane they're saturated they're confident they're bold because the iPhones we all know don't have bold saturated colors look at the you see the iPhone in the blue thing it's like a dark blue but then you have you have real blue and real orange I would argue that the orange is a bright saturated bold color it's the brightest and saturated

and most bold they've done but still compare it to these threads it's yeah it's just that every single press photo of them with this bag I just it really looks like satire to me oh yeah it does feel like the yellow one looks like the borat bathing suit yeah that I tweeted this and that was one of the highest and maybe that's just fashion I think like I understand, look, the reason this feels very easy to dunk on for us is because we're Western media in Asian countries, these cross-body bags, these like smaller sling things are very, very, very popular. Yeah, they had another one they launched earlier this year.

Arguably, it's the reason they launched the cross-body strap for the iPhone air. Yeah. So there's that. It's just that, you know, this looks like something that your grandma could make on Etsy. Every designer club is easy to dunk on because they're all extremely expensive. Like the Arme, I don't know. Armez. Armez Apple Watch bands were $200 plus dollars, which is like, obviously they're well made and they look really nice and I'm sure they're all fancy looking.

But like, yeah, it's a $200 Apple Watch band. So anytime, and this goes way back, the Supreme Collabs, the other collabs that tech companies do with fashion brands are just, if you're not in the target demographic, it seems insane. Yeah. And we are not in the target demographic. So it seems insane. Also, those Apple watch fans are way more than $200. They're amazed ones. How much?

350, 450. 450. This metal one is $1,000. Yep. Nice. There you go. Just pay more than a watch. Yeah.

So, I mean, one thing that is kind of cool about these is that they are using the 3D technology that Apple literally invented. So I think that's kind of interesting and cool. Are I insane or is every knit 3D? Well, everything is 3D because if you're the really 3D world. But I don't know I want to touch it I guess it's not interesting

I don't want to buy it It's not interesting but I do want to touch it someone I'm not going to say any names Was into Slack this morning asking if Apple had sent it Yeah I wanted to brush it on the podcast It's surprising they didn't send this As a review unit I feel like they've in the past

Not sent review units of things they didn't really Have a lot of faith in Again, it's made for the Asian market, so it's like, clearly, to us, this is, I don't know, is heck. They've sent some weird review unit things, and they didn't send this. They also didn't send the, was it the 13-inch M1 touchbar? Oh. Remember, they didn't send that to us? Oh, when we were dunking on that because they, like, kept the touch bar.

Yeah, well, it was just a weird release. And they sent, they neglected to send it before we dunked on it, but we went out and bought one, And then I'm pretty sure the guy at the Apple store was like, yeah. Wait, this says it's for, didn't you guys get one of these? I was like, nope. And they're like, oh, that's weird. Yeah. No, I think this is just so firmly targeted towards Japan.

Like, they talk about Japan a lot. Very firmly. All of, they say it's crafted in Japan. It's obviously a Miyaki collab. Like, this is, this is, they released the time zone dropped on like the Japan time zone. So it was like the middle of the night for us. So it's, it's not for us. I'm just going to say it's firmly not for me.

Yeah, but it is, it is really funny. that we wake up and we see a new $230 sock to hold your iPhone and we're like wow yeah that's a new thing Apple did huh throw back to the uh iPod sock that's actually what yeah which costs like thirty dollars or something was it it was much cheaper it was much cheaper it was much cheaper I threw that in slack and Tim thought I had photoshopped it to try and trick him and I was like no man these were real and there was there was one for the iPod and the iPod I had one for my iPod nice they were really done yeah yeah um yeah I don't know man I'm a little confused fuse at this because I do, I am one of those people that has like a little man purse thing.

Yeah. And I have like a little side strap bag that I put my phone in sometimes when I'm going out, whatever. But it has like a zipper and like a flap to close over the top to secure. Yeah, this is just like, yeah, like the phone is just like exposed. Well, it's not really, it goes in the slit and then it sinks to the bottom. But then like. But then like.

It's like a pocket. It can hit things. It looks like to sit the wrong way. It's like open. It looks like when you put a bunch of. quarters in a sock to like beat someone up with when do you do that you don't do that andrew does that all the time yeah man gotta get stuff done sometimes i the fashion people can have their moment and i'm happy for japan i wonder what their next collab will be place your bets now

because they'll will they'll be wrong for sure 10 years ago was the last one yeah we will be wrong about the next one maria called it the thneed from the lorax do you remember that no idea what that also i it's so it's a piece it's a garment from the lorax Dr. Seuss book, which I then pulled up the Seuss fandom, and it says the Thneed is a highly versatile object knitted from the foliage of a truffle tree. According to the Wensler,

it's a fine something that all people need. It costs $3.99 approximately $30 adjusted for inflation, according to the Lorax book. Lorax Book is very, they're on top of it. Speaking of very versatile things, like a pocket. I'll take it. The one plus 15 dropped, finally.

week we're all seeing the designs and seeing all the specs and it's finally finally finally finally fully official and out and it's kind of a monster phone it's a very interesting phone very unlike the usual like spec bump refresh that we see this is like prime snapdragon 8 elite gen 5 time when whoever wants to be first in that wave and come out with a new phone with a new chip just drops a new phone this one is the new chip but also a new design and also a new screen and also a whole whole bunch of new specs and also new software and also this crazy build quality and also a way worse set of cameras i was just about to say that yeah so i can talk about any of this the

review is up by the time you are listening to this podcast or watching us here so if you want to check that out full review is out there but what do you guys think about this new phone so this is a phone that is the oppo by any other name right this is the opo it's basically the find x9 pro yeah minus the good cameras minus the good cameras that color is so good And this is the sandstone one. And if you hold it, you will like it even more because it's like soft touch. I was so disappointed that you were telling me the cameras were bad because looking at that camera and you holding it and walking around, I was like, oh my God, that thing is beautiful. I had a moment where I was like, I loved using the rest of this phone so much.

I was like, well, I do have the hassleblad in my backpack. Maybe I just don't take pictures on my phone anymore. And I had like a week where I just get. That's right. That's how we do it. So it is that good. So they dropped the hassle. We can just talk about the camera. They dropped the Hasselblad branding.

Yeah. They dropped a lot of the house flat. So no more ex-pan mode. No more orange shutter button. They do still have that sound, though, that like... The leaf shutter clunk sound. Oh, really? So they didn't totally wipe everything.

Okay. But the sensors are all smaller. The apertures are all smaller. The photos are all worse. The videos are all worse. They're all noisier. The colors are duller. Everything is worse about the cameras.

Is the shutter button still orange? No. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think it would look good on that. The best part. This phone looks good already. It's the virtual shutter. Oh, the virtual.

yeah yeah the virtual shutter button sorry it feels good tell me there's still the x-pan mode though there's not my real x-pan photo is much more valuable yeah but the all the other parts of this phone are a plus i'm not exaggerating like the specs and the performance the snapdrag and a delete gen 5 which is paired with lpdr 5x ultra plus ram what i'm gonna fact check that yeah 16 gigs of i've memorized it so many times lpddr 5 adding the word ultra to ram now 10,000 megabytes per second ramp this is ultra plus yeah ultra plus don't forget the plus very important on the 16 gig right but it's very fast this phone is incredibly quick and there's also two new dedicated chips in it that make it like unusually quick there's a 3200 hertz touch response enabled by a touch response chip well and there's a dedicated Wi-Fi chip called the G2 Wi-Fi chip and this phone loads web pages ridiculously fast it's very responsive to the touch it's just a like a Just a really quick, solid, responsive phone all the time, which is very encouraging. I was using Fischer's last night, and the first thing I noticed when I turned it on is the screen looked really freaking good.

Screen is nice. It is a little brighter. It is a, I think it's a slightly lower resolution than the 1 plus 13. It's 1,272 pixels across instead of 1440. Not to send this off the rails, but David, I'd like your thoughts on this. Oh. Marquez and I going over the specs and script for that. this had some confusion about the resolution being 1.5k he like wrote it in the script he called it 1.2k 1 plus refers to it as the world's first 165 hertz 1.5k display and they say it over and over and over again 1.5k 1.5k so I keep checking what the at the max resolution yeah is like 2,700 by 1272

so I'm like why do you keep saying 1.5k because the last phone was 1440 that's Closer to 1.5K, right? And then I Googled what 1.5K means, and it doesn't mean 1,500 at anything. It just means somewhere between 1K and 2K. 1440 is 2K because it's referring to, anyway. It's really confusing. The LGG3 had a 2K display, and that was a big deal. Because that was 1440.

It was the world's first 1440 smartphone. Now, why would you call that 2K if the resolution is 25, 6,000? the by 1440 thank you else because the in between of 2516 and 1440 the average is around 2k that would possibly be true but i think what i realize is for higher resolutions we refer to it by the horizontal resolution and for lower resolutions we refer to it by the vertical so on youtube when you see 240p that's the vertical resolution 480p is the vertical resolution 720p is 1280 by 720 right yeah now when you refer to the big resolutions 4k that's roughly 4,000 across.

3840 is across. Exactly. Or DCI, P3, which people always like to talk about DCI as well. Well, P3 is the color. Sorry, DCI is 4096 across. But 4K is roughly 4,000 across. And 8K is roughly 8,000 across. A lot of people are getting confused that 4K was 4 times 1080,

which also happens to be true, but 8K is 16 times 1080. So it's not referring to how many times 1080. But is it 4 times 4K? It's 4 times 4K. Oh, but that's 8. But that's eight. Exactly. Yeah.

But what if you take that divided by three? What? Someone driving is just going to turn off the side of the road right now to not listen to this. My point is we have like the Ks, which are the horizontal resolution big numbers. And we have the P's, which are the low resolution vertical numbers. And then for some reason in between, we just abandon everything. And we have 2K, which is 2560 by 1440. And we just call that 2K for I don't know what reason.

And then we just adopt slightly less than 2K, which is 1,200. 72 across is now 1.5K, just because it's less than 2K. How does that make any sense? I just want, there is a solid, like, 10 minutes of Marquez and I with the scripts in front of us, and me being like, you say 1.2K, and you'm holding up the phone and being like, it's 1.2K. And me being like, this is the guide. It says 1.5K.

And it's 1.5k. I'm not going to lie. And we just neither would budge until we both just had to start Googling. I'm trying to be clear about this. So, like, the reason they say 1.5 is because the horizontal rest of the. of a vertical phone so you're saying so in in vertical aspect ratio I don't think we know the answer no the the answer is because it's less than 2k but higher than 1080 that's why would they but it's less than fortune 4040 because it's 1.5k and 165 Hertz at the same

time instead of having to pick high resolution yeah it's not the first 1.5k phone that that actually helped us move forward on this is there are other 1.5k phones so just definitely just marketing it's just the first 1.5k 165 Hertz phone yep well I'm the first person named David who also is wearing a blue shirt and is in Carnegie New Jersey right now yeah

so that's I would bet that's not even true okay okay okay but yeah anyway so they one plus I'm sure in their presentation says 1.5k many times there is no part of the screen that is 1,500 of anything it is simply less than 2K

which is why they say 1.5 I have a potential answer to your thing about horizontal versus vertical resolutions. Okay. Is it because we only used to have a horizontal video? And so when we look at something in a vertical format, we kind of just consider it horizontal video that's tilted 90 degrees. I think this is true before we got a bunch of vertical video. Like 10 years ago, we got the first 8K TVs and the 4K, everything was horizontal. Yeah.

It was just like a nice marketing number. Ooh, 4K. Ooh, 8K. But 1080 is 1920 by 1080. So I would say 2K because that feels like 2000 across, but that's not 2K. It's 1080. Yeah, why didn't we call it 1920? Why do we say 1080P?

I would have been the guy that called that 2K back in the day. And I technically would have been wrong. Well, then there's the whole thing with like HD. There's two definitions of HD. Yeah. Well, I know about the Hill HD thing because I happen to use that word very often. Oh, right. I think 1080 and above deserve.

to be called HD, but many circles, say, 720 is included in HD. 720, HD originally meant 720. Yes. I thought 1920 was called full HD. It did. So 720P was HD, and then 1080P was FHD, and technically 2K, which is 1440P, is QHD, which is quad-HD, which is quad-HD, which is 2840, because HD is 720, and it's quad-720. And then 4K is U-HD, which is ultra-high definition, 3840, because it's 4-8-40, because it's four times 1080.

And then we'll just have the best test high definition. It's a lot. The goodiest high definition. All that to say, screen, pretty nice. Yeah, I mean, hey. What about the rest of the phone? Yeah.

Battery. Sickest phone I've used ever. For battery. 7,300 million hours. Silicon carbon. Highest silicon content of any anode we've seen. And also it lasts longer than the... I mean, I didn't get to main this

because my SIM card wasn't working, so I can't fully rest my laurels on this. But it was lasting longer than the 7,500 million-power Xiaomi 17 Pro Max. Because they kill background tests, and that's the whole thing. Does it not have bans? Is that way?

It just wouldn't let me do my AT&T SIM transfer. So I got a T-Mobile sim, like, super late. Oh. Either way, incredible battery life. And 100-watt charging outside of the U.S., 80-watt charging here, and 50-watt wireless charging, and bypass charging and charge limiting if you want.

Like, it's an awesome battery. Isn't there a thing where it reverse wireless charges? at 25 watts you can do that too i think it's 22.5 watts that was the shami that did 22 and a half plus reverse but it does it too but it does reverse if you want got it um so awesome awesome battery experience and then it has this like crazy ceramic finish or a nano arc something i don't even know exactly what they're calling it like they did this crazy finish to the metal where it's basically ultra ultra hard and scratch resistance so you feels pretty hard to me yeah you can you can you can You can drag a coin across the back of it

and it leaves a nasty looking scratch and then you just wipe it off because you've realized it's scratched the metal of the coin off onto the back of the phone. It's super durable. Dang. So I did a whole short just showing that in action.

Okay, two questions. Yeah. One, does it have MagSafe slash pixel snap, Snash? Chee 2. That is probably the biggest missing feature. They do have cases with magnets in them but it is not built into the phone.

Okay. Second question. It's really scratch resistant, right? So does that mean that it's more likely to shatter if you drop it? So in theory, yes, I just don't test that. So I don't know. I don't know. And I'm sure Zach's going to get his hands on this and do his scratch testing.

I was wondering if they had anything like in the review guides or something. Like, don't worry about that. It's fine. No, they didn't. I mean, they did talk about big game about the finish. And it feels great in the hand, which is like the most important thing. It's got this little microtechster to it. I was using the matte black one, which actually feels even more different from that.

But I love the finish on the back of the time. It does feel very hard. Yeah. I don't really... I think it's fiberglass on the back and then the nano-arc whatever is on the rails. But it feels great.

I love the nano-arc whatever. Yeah. So yeah, everything about this phone was great and then the cameras were a huge letdown. So I'm like, I could daily this phone but I would just be super disappointed. If it had the ApoX-9 cameras.

That would be nice. Funny you mentioned that because I was cross-shopping those two phones as you do when you have no intention of buying the phones. Sure. Am I the only one, right? Just watching videos constantly about it?

Sure, you have no intention to buy the phone? Not yet. Would you say that the 1 plus 15, does the 15, right? One plus 15 is like just the Apple FindX9 Pro, but for the states? Or are there like dramatic differences or meaningful differences between a two, besides the camera, obviously? I mean, aesthetically, yes. Software-wise also, like oxygen OS is closer and closer to color OS,

that it kind of feels like that's also. Remember they temporarily changed it to color OS? then people got mad even though it was like the same software yeah so they call it oxygen OS but basically the same coloros is sick too though coloros is good you even remember it let it is that morning I was watching a video I'm color OS on the podcast yeah it does have a bunch of things like uh you know how subtle things you notice when you open google maps it's not 120 hertz your phone or waves I almost I don't notice it's always in Android Auto so I almost never did you notice that Android Auto is not 120 hertz I guess

I never thought. I guess I'm, my eyes are usually on the road. So yeah, this is like picky, picky, picky little stuff, but like certain apps,

Android defaults to not run at 120 hertz to save battery. Like, maps. Like, you don't need 120 hertz. Maps. You're just going to update

for your navigation. Well, okay, perfect, because in this phone, you can go through and choose your max refresh rate on an app by app basis.

And so you, you open it up and you see everything set to 120, and then you see ways and maps Android Auto are set to 90 by default and you can just bump them up to 120 and suddenly you have the smoothest maps experience of any Android phone. That type of stuff, pretty fire. There's a lot of little settings you can mess with. There's also plenty of stuff you don't have

to touch. I don't use their AI stuff. I don't use mine space, but it's there if you want to. Yeah, really, really good phone, really useful phone. But do they sell a pocket for it? There is no pocket for it, but I'm sure you can put it in the Apple pocket. I don't know. You just put it in a sock. Or a sock. You just buy a $200, you can get amazing socks for $200. You get the teenage engineering socks. How much of those? $70.

Oh, yeah. No, they're not that expensive. But you can only get them if you buy the whole. No, I think you can buy them alone. Oh, really? Yeah. How much were they? Oh, they're $29.

For two pairs. Well, we actually am not sure if it's two pairs. We're definitely sure it's two pairs. You can get six pairs of those socks. Okay. Anyway, yeah. I like the phone a lot. Watch the full review.

I really want to throw this against concrete and see I don't think that's how it works well that's the whole thing right it's hard well you're gonna you don't do you don't use a case on your phone no so like the screen is gonna shatter anyway maybe so I don't know what if I threw it sideways it's you know I feel like at he's imagining he throws it in the concrete just like splits underneath it like when a superhero yeah yeah that's true that'd be fair I mean it kind of feels like you should be able to do that well speaking of surprising speaking of superheroes

We've gone so far off script already. I don't know what any of you are trying to segue to. I was going to go for the iPhone Air next. I was going for LeBron. Oh. He's superheroes. I get it. I get it.

Do you want to do that? Do you want to do? LeBron quick and then we'll jump to iPhone. Yeah, LeBron has this new show on his YouTube channel. It's called Uninterrupted and the show's called The Main Thing and he's got these interviews. He's interviewing six people. A day. Wait, it's his YouTube channel?

It's, well, yeah, he runs the. company so it's like kind of his YouTube channel but it's not like at LeBron James it's not at LeBron James but it's uninterrupted and it's the LeBron interview show called the main thing and LeBron does edit all of it yeah yeah he's got this incredible eye for color correction I don't know if you guys knew that so you guys play basketball while you're doing the interview no he so we I was one of the guests it was a good time we shot it like two months ago or something I don't even remember when we shot this but it was a good it was a good interview

and it's finally up now. So if you want to watch it, it's on YouTube. Wait, do you want to guess what they actually play during the interview? Fortnite. How about? We play a video game. Did you actually play the video game? We played two video games.

Okay. Because I saw them give you... One from 2004 and one from... Oh, you saw it. I saw them give you a controller. Yeah. And I thought it was maybe one of those fake shoots where it's like, I'm gaming, but actually not. Well, so the TV was like on the other side of the room and we were playing, like, really far away.

We played Madden. Wait, oh, that's what I was going to guess. Oh, so yeah, you were right. You were totally going to get it. Oh, sweet. Madden, O-4 and Madden-26. So the one on the N-64? Was Madden O-4?

On the N-64? I think it was an N-64. I don't actually remember which console it was. Was the controller, like, a spider? Was it for someone a three-hands? It's in the video. Oh, like, the middle? I don't think it was that controller.

But it was O-4. So whatever console you could get Madden O-4 on back in the day. That's what we played on. I actually, O-4. I got my Xbox in seventh grade, which would be 2003. So it probably would have been Xbox or PlayStation 2, right? That feels right. Maybe PlayStation 2, yeah.

I think it's past N64. Either way. Yes, we did actually play the game. GameCube. Distracting, trying to interview each other and play Madden. And also, if you're competitive, we're trying to beat each other on Madden. Wait, what football team did you pick? I don't remember.

I think I picked the Jets. Because I don't play Madden, and I didn't really. I don't know who's good in 2004. I'm not even a football. Wait, why are we guys playing a football game? So, Madden, LeBron's a big Madden guy. He plays a lot of Madden. Why isn't he a football player?

Well, he used to be a football player. Really? Yeah. And now he plays basketball. And it was funny because I chatted with him about NBA 2K, and his biggest gripe was that it's not realistic enough, which is, I mean, you're a basketball. Obviously, you're not going to think it's perfect.

But it was funny because I think that's what an NFL player would say about Madden too. Yes. But what's the other game you guys played? That was it. So Madden 04 and then we switched to Madden 26. So we played the old Madden and then the newest Madden to sort of compare them as a fun little. What were your thoughts on the differences? It feels like you're playing with polygons in the first one. Yeah.

It's very old school. There's very few plays and the characters move like they don't move like they have joints. They move like they're kind of like on rails sort of. Like you can move in vectors. Because of like lightweight pulleys that control their arms and keep them at only 68 pounds. Like the Neo robot. Yeah, thanks, Andrew. I was reaching.

It was fun to see, to contrast the difference between old hyper-realistic game and new hyper-realistic game. And then think about the future of that should have been fun. So, yeah, you can go watch that too. That's on the uninterrupted YouTube channel. Okay. Well, speaking of something that's getting interrupted, shipments of the iPhone air. Wow, that was so good. A lot of people sent me this headline.

Yeah. So I think that we need to make the distinction that this is all alleged. Yeah. A lot of the headlines were not saying alleged, but the original source was alleged. So it's alleged. Allegedly. As with any leaks. Yes.

So as we know, apparently the iPhone air is not doing well, which I am still confused about because my anecdotal evidence in New York City. In Greenpoint. In Greenpoint. Says to me. Very representative of America. This is selling very well. Yeah, apparently iPhone Air is not selling well.

And selling so badly that they are going to not release the one that they were going to release next year. Which, to be fair, they're releasing the iPhone fold next year. So they would have had just so many phones. Allegedly. Allegedly. Maybe. And instead, they're going to wait until 2027 spring at the earliest when they will add a second camera lens. because apparently that has been one of the main gripes.

So they're not completely getting rid of the iPhone air idea like they did with the mini, rest in peace. But they are, yeah, they're just going to modify it and add a second cameras. I'm just going to say, I'm not sure that the lack of a second camera was the reason people were not buying this phone. Apple, but. I don't know that to be true.

That was a reason why a lot of people that I saw were not buying it was because they were scared of it not having a second lens. I think there are two main reasons, not a second lens and a bigger battery. So if they just added a second lens and just made it a little thicker to get a little bit more battery in there. And maybe even drop the price a little. I'm actually kind of wondering why this phone is not selling well. Because it costs $200 more than a better phone. But how much phones cost in the U.S. doesn't seem to matter to people because everything was on a payment point.

But this is worldwide. So it's like, okay, in the U.S., maybe more people will go with this phone, and especially in certain places. but then like outside of that like the enthusiasts are picking the best phone they can get yeah and the normal people are picking the most accessible phone they can get then what is the person that picks the more expensive but slightly less functional phone the people who buy the sock that is actually true yes yes but it's also not that much more it's like it's still cheaper than the pro right so there's that but if you're if you're if you're gonna spend more money what do you want out of that it depends on who you are yeah fair enough i think

for maybe most people you're spending more hoping to get a phone that's better and last longer and is like better battery better cameras and stuff like that and so you you see that the pro is that and you go straight to the pro and you skip over the air which is in the middle of them yeah if there are some people who obviously go in the store pick it up love it hold it amazed by it they're gonna buy that yeah because they like it yeah but i just think that's less people than they expect I will say as well to my anecdotal evidence. I see so many pros. I do see a lot of orange pros.

It seems like everyone upgraded this year. Yeah. It's crazy. Wait, before we get off the pricing talk, do you want to know how much the iPhone air is monthly if you were to get it through Apple? $37. $41. And the regular iPhone 17 is 33.

Okay. I don't think most, I don't know. So even if you're doing a payment plan, it's like that's not even the cheapest one. Yeah, it's not the cheapest. Yeah. Do you guys think for the average consumer who's not sick in the head like us that the 16E actually makes the error a difficult value proposition, which hear me out, right? I guess it's going to come over this table. But I think because I think a lot of people who are not in our world see it's an iPhone with one camera.

and then they do some research and the functional differences between them that other than processing power and RAM and stuff like that, which I would assume the kind of people who are choosing between, like which iPhone to get and are not getting the pro or not really thinking about,

you get high refresh screen, magsafe, and thinness. Yeah, and other things they won't notice, like pro chip. Exactly, and that is a pretty big price discrepancy between 16E and air. And I'm not saying anyone's going to choose the 16E over the air,

but do you think it makes the very? value prop of the air, a little bit more confusing? I think there's a, there's something to it. I just think the second it costs more than the base 17, it was confusing. I think when you have the base 17 sitting there, which is like the easy to understand newest iPhone, and then they also have a more expensive iPhone, which is very pretty, but is a worse, it's a single camera, it is less battery, it is all these downsides. Yeah.

That is already of sort of weird value. benefit is that it's thinner and more sort of like premium and pretty pretty yeah but it's missing a camera has worse battery one of my best friends who's a 16e owner and like generally likes it when she went to go buy it she was really not sure about one camera she's not techie at all and she was like how am i going to get by but just one camera oh and the apple store employee was like no no we're doing this thing it's called fusion camera like like don't worry like you're gonna get a lot of good out of this like this is the future you have three camera lenses and one yeah exactly like the whole feel and then when the 17 regular came out and it still had two

cameras even though apple never said they're going to do it she was like wait a second yeah yeah yeah it is josh me they do so i mean you can't you can't fake an ultra wide you can kind of fake some some amount of zoom but if you have a really good telephoto that's always gonna be better yeah I saw a take on Twitter recently maybe I'll find it again that was kind of like someone was saying I take better pictures now that I only have one camera because I'm more intentional and the random shots that I was going to take with the zoom were always worse because they would just be like lazily zooming in with the software instead of intentionally framing it up with the

single primary camera what time or zoom what kind of shooter are you that is exactly yeah that's a real cope but it is yeah I mean it It's the same excuse that a lot of film photographers use. Yeah. I'm more intentional because it's harder. That was one of my old, old hot takes was primes are stupid. What? Prime was stupid.

We need to cut this before this is a three-hour episode. Primes are just not smart. Next bonus episode, opinion. I have an opposite. Prove me wrong. All right. So, did any of you guys see the Toy Story 5 trailer? Zoom with their feet, man.

Toy Story 5 trailer? No. Zip with your feet. Zoom like this. No, I did not see the Toy Story 5 trailer. I'm just imagining Marquez with his feet up on his zoom lens. Zoom with your feet, bro. The SpongeBob toes, like.

This is very fast, but none of you guys saw the Toy Story 5 trailer. No. It is all it is. Oh, I did see a frame from AM. It is a box in like Andy's room, or I don't even know if it's Andy anymore. Andy anymore, all of the toys, like, quivering and freaking out, and then at the end, they pull out a tablet. And it's basically just, I guess, the new movie is about all the toys being really scared

of the tablet taking away. Honestly, fire concepts. That's a good, that seems like a good, like, AI trailer, someone would make on Twitter and you're like, ha, good idea, but they're actually going to make this a movie. This is from Pixar. I want to ask your opinion on this, Andrew, as the only parent in the room, because I have a friend who now has two children, and he is struggling making sure that they don't, not you, making sure that they don't have tablet, tablet kids.

Like, how is that working out for you? The only time she looks at a tablet is because we have one for FaceTime with some family. She watches TV sometimes. And then, like, if we're on a really long car ride and, like, pushing bedtime or, like, something where we're getting real cranky, then I can throw on her favorite show. But does she have, like, a bunch of toys, like, and that's what you... She has toys. She loves to play. Okay.

Yeah, yeah, play with toys. Follow question. Is she up or down over time on her Polymarket account? She's terrible at Polymarket. Always making all these bets. No, I, I'm an iPad kid, I think. They didn't have the iPad when you were a kid. No, I am an iPad kid now.

Currently an iPad kid. I, like, make food, sit down in the living room, and then I'm just like scrolling through. Like, Claire will be done eating dinner. I'm like, we haven't even picked what to watch yet. Claire, help me. Stop eating. Yeah. Oh, my God.

I think I eat more of my meals with a screen in front of me than not. Oh, my God. Lately, I'm not doing that because now I eat dinner with Lane and Claire and we don't do it in front of the TV. But, yeah, before. I would, like, actually get mad at Claire sometimes.

We used to be in a country. We used to be. You should try it. Check out the Mealtime videos subreddit. Tell me that's not just bangers. I do know about that. Mealtime videos, 20, 30-minute videos that you just Sit it down in each, and it's just great.

That seems like a great subreddit to spam your YouTube channel on to get some loyal followers. But it's got to be like the, yeah, that perfect length of video. I hope that Toy Story 5, I hope that the big ethical question that they explore is what's happening to our children with the iPad. I feel like it's got to be. I really hope so. It's based on the trailer. It's a big thing. It's a big deal.

It's a big ethical question. There's a lot of iPad kids. The funny thing about it is the amount of kids that will probably watch Toy Story 5 on an iPad is a large. percentage after the roof and they will understand what they're watching they won't be like is this bad for my brain development no they're going to have it split screen with google doc yeah and polymarket picture and pictures tritting stocks while watching doors 35 in their diaper all right well let's take a quick break and do some trivia and we got a little more talk about after but let's hit it scooby doby do guys i have two potential questions

for today, I figured I'd ask. Would you rather answer a question about battery sizes? Hmm. Or socks. Sox. Sox. Battery sizes. Guys, that iPhone sock is really expensive. But what is more expensive? A, the most recent brand new in package, excuse me, brand new inbox listing sold on eBay, like the view old sold products, of a five. five-pack of the original 2004 iPod socks. Really long-wind. Unopened, five-pack in the packaging. B, the short-strap iPhone pocket, not the long strap.

The one-fifty. Or C, a pair of plain white men's socks from the fashion brand, Balenciaga. That's two socks. Oh, God. Plain white men. You know how a plain-white t-shirt would be like $200. I also realize it's a little confusing. because, like, you know, the first item is five socks, the second item is one sock,

and the third item is two socks. So we're going by skews here, just to make it clear. Plain white, like, there's not even a Balenciaga logo on it. It says the word Balenciaga in black text. I know what the answer is. All right. Well, we'll think about that. Of course, if we don't get it right, we'll at least learn something very interesting about socks.

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sat on the couch during COVID and watched Michael Fisher play GTA. That's all I've done. That's pretty close to playing, yeah. I guess. Well, okay, so, Credit Theft Auto has been delayed till November 19th, 20206. Let's go, baby. That is one year from now.

It had already been delayed to May 2026, but now I guess months before that even happening, they decided we can't even hit that one we're delaying another year let's go um that's that's a long time it's already the meme of like we already got blank and blank before gta 6 like everywhere so the iPhone sock before we got the iPhones isn't that the one that had the trailer come out that was super super viral yeah that was gtas oh yeah it's like one of the highest viewed youtube videos of all time so what do you think is delaying it what do you so their official quote was we're sorry

for adding additional time to what we realize it's been a long wait but these extra months will allow us to finish the game with level of polish that you have come to expect and deserve well one of the biggest polymarket uh bets is whether or not gtas x will be over a hundred dollars and there's like people have put so much money into this bed it's got to be over right the bundle just the game i think just the base game like just the hundred dollars would be really expensive usually games are like 67 but your money on your mouth is that i'm like 2k you can spend over $100 on a new copy of 2K. But the base copy is like 80 or 90, I think.

And that's one of the more expensive. Well, yeah, but they were working on GTA 6 for like, it's like the biggest game ever. It's true. It has the most hype. It has the most like people waiting for it and delays. I mean, it's essentially infinite demand and they can make infinite supply. I think if they made it $110,000, people would buy it. Yes, they would.

Don't say that. I'm just, it's true. I hate saying it because I don't want it to be true, but it's like one of those things where it's like, we want it to be 40 bucks, but it's just not going to be cheap. I mean, this is exactly what happened with Mario Kart World. People were so mad that it was $80, but it's exactly what you're saying. People will still buy it. Yeah, they'll grumble all the way to the cash register.

Yeah. There was some insane stat that was like 95% of people who own a Switch 2 also own Mario Kart World. Well, that's because there's no other games out for it except for DonkeyCon. It's the best game for it. But yeah, that's, it's fair. You know what really pisses me off about this delay? What? That I've been doing a good job.

of keeping it out of my head that, oh, GTA 6 is delayed. Like, okay, whatever, no big deal. I, like, forget about it. I go about my life, live happily ever after. And then they announce that they're delaying it again and remind me that it's delayed. And I was like, I was fine. So you're looking forward to it.

Oh, I'm buying this game. Oh, really? Yeah. I hope it's not over $100 more because don't put that into universe. It has been, how long has it been since the last one? 15 years or something crazy? I have to guess, because my sister's husband, when he was in college, apparently skipped a bunch of classes when he bought when the last one came out to play it and in the process of playing it got his car stolen that's amazing um but yeah so i i think it'll be you know something similar happened with cyberpunk where they delayed delayed delayed delayed and then it came out and it was it had some issues um and it got scrutinized to all held because partially because of how much it got delayed so yeah this thing better be polished um i am

I am interested, we just saw Silk Song come out and make a bunch of games push outside. This feels like this is going to be like that whatever top tier gaming version of that, like a big, big company doing it where I would not doubt if some companies plan to come out next fall and are like, just kidding, GTA 6th. I think there was a bunch of people that changed their release states, like a bunch of companies. For Silk Song or? No, for... Already for this?

No, and they changed it because they thought it was coming out at a certain time. and now this is happening, they're like scrambling. Like, oh, my God, we got a change it again. I saw a tweet that said, like, when you got your wife pregnant to time it perfectly with the GTA says. Oh, no. And then they delay it. That's brutal.

You know, it's funny. The last GTA came out in 2013, and it's been delayed twice. The last Streetlight Manifesto album came out in 2013, and it's been delayed twice. Which one's going to come out first, baby? We'll find out. That's a new polymarking back. Yeah, I was going to say, go on Polymarketing.

Polymark, yeah, it's going to be GTA or Strelay Manifesto. We'll see. This is not financial advice. No, and we do not endorse Polymark it. Or delaying. Or Strelia Manifesto. I do. Speaking of Strelia Manifesto because it's music, Spotify, as we know, every year, does the big

wrapped thing. Spotify creating their wrapped thing has really made every other company in the world decide to look at all your data. Except you to. Well. Yeah. Well. Well.

YouTube, Google does everything too early and too cringe, and because of that, they just, they can never come back. You know, it's like social media, too early, a little too cringe. Glasses. Glasses, too early, too cringe. So Spotify now is thinking of doing a new. Oh, it's out. Oh, it's out. Yeah.

They thought about it, and then they did it. A weekly wrapped where they release your listening stats. So now you can just click on an icon, and it is right there in the drop-down menu. It shows you your top five artists and top five songs of the week, and then each of those lists has some more like your top song suggestions under that. So it's kind of like your release radar in a way. It's sort of just like, I don't know, it's telling you what you were listening to and then giving you suggestions. Because I think the number one complaint about Spotify and probably most music streaming services

at this point is that you just get trapped in this little circular algorithm of artists that are kind of like each other and that just suggest them constantly in a circle forever until the end of time it depends on what type of artists they are sometimes if you're in like a more niche artist and then they're only connected to a few other niche one then you get in a circle but if you're in like you have to like find the biggest spoke that has the most outside connection and then like slingshot out via that artist like a physics demon hunters out yeah yeah yeah kind of yeah yeah that's pretty much it I think yeah that's what it is but Andrew wanted any interesting Andrew wanted us to share our top five. I think we should all share

our top five songs. You should also go back to last week because it continues it sets it up into weeks so right now the current week is only one day old. This is like useless to me because I'm one of those cycles that listen to the same thing constantly for like a week. Same. Oh yeah.

Well do you so are you I have a feeling we're the same type of Spotify listener. You like have two or three songs that you just found that you repeat through them over and over and over again until you're sick of them and then you find three new ones. And then that's the rotation. And then when you go back and find the last three, it reminds you of the time.

Oh, what a time that was. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. No, I'm the same way. Yeah. I've been, I have a song that I've been listening to by Feed Me so much in the past month. I am very confident it's going to be one of the top songs of the year for me.

Like, very confident. What is it called? The song is called Stop Motion. By Feed Me? By Feed Me. Feed me. Every time we do this, I realize I probably have the worst taste of music kind of it. So, yeah, Feed me was my number one artist.

There's nothing wrong with Bruce Springsteen. There's nothing wrong with the same thing. Yeah, that's not a soft surprise to me. The Mountain Goats and then Ataboy, which nobody knows. And then parcels, but it's down because it was five weeks in my top five because they had a new album that came out that was fire. Five weeks in your top five? Yeah. Wow.

Oh, it's, oh, yeah. I tend to, if there's a new, if there's a new artist that I find, I listen to their discography nonstop for three months until I hate them. And you just pick your... Okay. And then you get, like, one week of someone else, and then you probably dive back in this. That's exactly what it does. We have similar listening patterns.

Yeah. And then two artists that I don't listen to, but I think keep getting suggested and auto playing after the Mountain Codes plays. Nice. So... Okay. They didn't new album come out this week, too.

That was fire. What you got, Ellis? I know you got something fun. I'm confused, man. I guess mine... Don't go to the current week. just because, like, it's only been one day. I listen to music in, like, a ton of different ways.

Like, I have Spotify. I have a CD player and a tape player at home. I've been listening to a lot of music on YouTube. What the hell is a tape player? Oh, that's that thing with the... You take it out and you flip it. Oh, I know what that is. Do you know that tape is?

No, you're right. I know what that is. Yeah, you're right, Alice. We're so old, Alice. Leave it to Alice to be like, hey, what's an artist you listen to? Well, here's all of the ways I listen to. See, I can do that on the street TikTok and then give me an apartment tour

on the street TikTok at the same time. It's just efficient. No, so I'm really confused because half of these songs I don't even know, which means I think it was like they algorithmically played once and because I use so little. That's what happened to me too.

So I have my top artist is John Coltrane, which I don't remember listening to John Coltrane that week. My, uh, my top song is Lean for Real by Playboy Cardi. another song I don't know and then the rest is just Chadee which checks out number one

new jobs I don't know how to pronounce it is artist or songs new javas sea of cloud number two Lupe Fiasco the Cool Force of Nature Death Wish number three Golden number four you already know

Top five and then Danny Ellen What's Golden Jurassic Five? No it's Golden is on K-pop Demon under it's high replay value it's the main song it's been in my top five for multiple weeks apparently sorry what was the fifth one uh jack's lament nightmare before christmas it's a song because it was halloween sounds like you're going up up up to the top adam nice gotta be mine's all over the place i've rosalita by bruce springsteen great song no broke boys by disco lines

and tennage because lane and i dance to that song all the time don't blame your daughter it's so Good. Have you heard that song? It's really good. Andrew's definitely on the way home. It's a kid song called No Broke Plains. No, it's not a kid. It is not a kid's song. Okay. Good. I want to get better by Bleachers. All Falls Down by Alan Walker and Trauma Free by Dead Mouse. Where's there T-suite?

Drama-free by, oh, is that new? It's new word. You definitely know. It's a few years old, though, I think. I don't know if I've heard of that song. You have. Sounds like we all listen to completely different music. Sometimes our studio blend is just. insane. Am I on that?

Yeah, we haven't been on it for a while. I haven't looked at it. David, did you listen to my cool music playlist I sent you, the YouTube link? Not yet. Cool. Well, you sent it to me and then I didn't work at my apartment for a while. So, got it.

All right. You know, he only has internet in his apartment. Let's do two, do you want to do the frame? Okay, so check it out. Last two week, three weeks. Actually, before I just want to say, it's actually pronounced iank. Oh, Iank. Ink?

Ink. E ink. All right. So a few weeks ago, we, Andrew and I got very giddy about this new E-ink aura frame. And because ink is a very cool technology, we're super excited about it. They actually sent us over a couple of them, which is very cool. So they sent us like their normal frames, which are, you know, screens. Outdated technology.

Let's bring it back. But now we have actual ink. so well yeah it's still electronic ink electronic ink so this

I'm gonna try to show this without too much clear from far away it probably looks pretty good and like up close it kind of looks

like a half tone kind of look yeah I'm like four feet away or something and it looks like a photo yeah it kind of looks like a photo but I want to show you

what happens when you change out the picture it's for audio listeners it's really convincing from a few feet away it's one of those things where you unbox it

and you put your first picture in and you're sitting right next like, oh, man, this looks pretty bad. Are you ready? And then, so when you change the picture, which this is only supposed to do at night, it just for like 20 seconds flashes like crazy. It hasn't started.

Oh, wait, no, now it's starting. Okay. It just flashes because I think it's changing all the, yeah, it's moving it all around and changing all the different areas. So you'll see like part of the picture will stop flashing and then other parts will keep going. If you've used a Kindle before you've seen this effect in some version, which is like you turn the page and it flashes and it brings the new text into effect this is just doing it with color and with way more detail yeah so i've tried a lot of different photos with this i really like it um

it looks it kind of looks like pixel art where i've if you're far enough away it looks like regular art when you get up close to it's kind of like this half-tone pixely thing yeah i will say it's not very good with black and white photos i will show a black and white photo on it because it kind of like adds the sepia look to it because it's like not good at doing true blacks it's not perfectly black that's fair yeah so it has a sort of like yellow cast i think that it mixes in some of the yellow beads with the black beads um i'm not really sure why this is just one of those pieces of technologies that i cannot get behind you're wrong for this specific use case i'm happy because it feels right atom course if you just spin it it it should oh does it automatically but then it has to

no auto rotate well it does have auto rotate but it just like but it needs to re flash again i should have done it. It's cool. One thing we forgot to mention the first time around is this is $500. This is like a new thing they're doing. It is very expensive. It's rotating. Oh, is it rotating? I've been enjoying it so far. I think the ultimate test will be now that the holidays are coming up. I have it hung up. I'm interested to see how many family members walk by and if they like notice that there's something off about it or if they just think it's another picture frame. So it's like pretty no, it's doing it again. I don't think anyone. I don't think anyone No, no.

I think it's fine. The issue that I have with something like this is part of the, to me, part of the point of taking pictures and printing them out is to like hand them out or in a hundred years find it in my attic or, you know, like those moments are kind of what makes. Yeah, but you can find this in your attic. It's a e-ink display with no picture or memory on it. It would have a picture on it. In a hundred years.

Yeah. You don't think the battery would explode. It doesn't matter. I don't think you need to. It's like an etcher sketch. It's getting set. It is like an etcher sketch. It won't erase it.

Yeah, but when that thing's a big spicy pillow, I don't know how much. I think you don't have to pick one or the other, though. Like, I still plan on having. $500? I'm not going to, not all my, I don't have one photo in my house, though. Like, I'm not going to pay $500 for every photo to be an ink when. I'm going to have photos and art set up. But, like, it's nice to have one that's a rotating one.

Because you can't put every picture you ever take up on the wall. It also has, like, the app has, like, positioning. and you can zoom in and you can make it, because right now it has a little bit of a black border. But you can see it, it's not good at true black and white. Like, it adds like a sepia look. And when I, like, this is a 35 millimeter shot. And when I bring it into the dark room

and do actual dark room printing, those blacks are inky as heck and more inky than this. But, you know, I think for the colors, it's quite nice. And I'm very excited to put it up and just have it cycle through some pictures because I think that's going to be super cool. 500 is a lot, but it is one of the first things that does this, obviously.

this has been like my dream forever so the technology will get cheaper eventually you know photo frames in general are really cheap now i mean the aura ones are not but that's because they're like ultra high resolution you can share they have all these features whatever but if you want just like a cheap photo frame you can get one of those for insanely cheap so i'm hoping that this technology catches on and it becomes you know better they get more ink blotches and you can do more true blacks i think that would be nice yeah i guess the advantage of it is Because you can get a digital picture frame that rotates through and it's not e-ink and it looks fine. But this one can kind of look more like a print.

Well, and this one also has a battery that can last three months. So you can hang it on the wall without hiding a wire and then just charge it like your nest doorbell where you just take it off, charge it for a couple hours every three months. And all the battery really does is allow it to change photos and then have the little light in it that kind of illuminates it because it needs a little bit of light. back light, yeah. Well, it's a front light. Not behind it, but yeah. It helps you see it.

But, like, if it dies, it'll just stay static on whatever the last image is. So that's also fine, you know. Cool. Yeah. So, I don't know. I think it's cool. I like it. I think it's cool.

I'm enjoying it. I want to hang it up and see what it does. I am being a grump on this. I do not. I'm very overwhelmed. I hope you feel good about being wrong, Adam. Cool. All right.

Well, I took, this morning, since it was, this is, There's no segue here. I'm just jumping right into the next one. Well, it's funny because I had this segue written for this, and then I messed up the order of everything. I was going to say, speaking of rap, smartphone season's wrapped. Anyways, so we're segue when you have to go back.

Talk about rap or something. I just decided that now that TechTember and Techtober have ended, and we're kind of in our slower season, I wanted to pull some numbers from the main channel because we just wrapped up smartphone season. So I took August 1st to October 31st, first. That really feels like when all the big phones come out. And these numbers are pretty awesome. These are all just from main channel. So we had 1 million or 115 million 800,000 long form

views, 11,100,000 long form watch hours, 85 million short form views, 783,000 watch hours short form. Despite four of our top five videos being shorts, the number one video was actually a long form. So our most viewed video in this wasn't a short. It was a long form with 13 million views was the iPhone 17 Pro and error impressions. That one looks really good.

That one's really good. It looks so cool. Look at how cool it looks. Our top five longform videos, iPhone 17 Pro and error impressions, iPhone 17 pro air unboxing, meta rayband display glasses, AirPods 3 Pro review, Xiaomi 17 Pro Max.

some other notable things. Unboxing the $40,000 sealed OG iPhone got 750,000 views in the last 90 days. That's crazy. That video is two years old. Also, the reviewing every Samsung Galaxy video had 700,000 views in the last three months. That's from March 2024.

And then only two videos the whole month didn't hit three million, or the whole time span, so last three months, didn't hit three million views, which is top five sports tech, and investigating the Tesla Robotaxi, 1.4 million and 2.9 million views. The average view between those 16 videos in the last three months was 5.7 million. Jeez.

So that, we cooks. The last smartphone seasons was crazy and busy. And it feels weird now that it's like slowing down. My favorite stat usually is just like taking the number of watch hours and converting that into years of human life that have been wiped from this planet. So just for context Where the reason Toy Story 5 is making the tablet So you can either read it as in total Everyone watching the videos

In short form, just the short form videos Oh That's only short form Wait for which ones? 783,000 watch hours was just short. It was only short form videos Oh my God Okay, wait, that's even better

Oh my God So 783,000 watch hours total spread amongst all of the people who have been watching all of the shorts that we uploaded that were of you during the month you can think of or during the three months you can think of it as that or you can think of it as one person watching all of our shorts for 89 years straight kids know what that's like watching that is so much that's that is so much watch to know how many years of long form it's been yeah I didn't even okay so how long is that for long form it would be

1,272 years. Oh, that's just not even possible for a human. That's... The flunker than the Earth's been around. A thousand years of watch time is crazy for three months. Yeah. But isn't that crazy? You could just watch shorts for 89 years straight.

It still wouldn't have equaled the amount. Mark has, by display logic, it's 1.5K years. I hate that even more. That's right. Yeah, yeah, anyway. So that is, hey, that's thanks to you guys. So shout out to you guys for watching the videos. And, you know, you say it's slowing down, Andrew, but it's still, it's still done.

We just talked about a sock as the top, that's fair. In our defense, that was the top news story. I know, that's what I'm saying. We're slowing down. One plus 15, trifold, random other stuff's happening still. Like, we're almost e-ink frames. And then the smartphone awards are coming up and, like, we're kind of still on the think of it. But, hey.

Hey. All right. All right. We have one more segment that we want to do, which is overhyped or underhyped. Should we do that after the ad break? Yes. Yeah. Then let's do trivia.

Trivia, dude, it's trivia. Do we're doing trivia, dude. Trivia. So, earlier in the episode, we were talking about tech brands that have done hypebeast collabs with fashion brands. So I have a question for you. Bathing ape. And stash. Bathing ape.

Bathing ape. Bathing ape. He's an F1 driver. No. That's what bait is? Baving ape? Could I look it up? No.

They once collabbed with which famous camera brand to launch a custom camera, Bathing ape and Stash. The Tee Company? Stash? American visual artist Stash, aka Josh Franklin. Okay. I'm more confused? He's an artist.

And they made a camera. They collabed to make a camera with which. company. Okay. It's called the Stash BAPE camera, which reminds me of, uh, BAPE. If you're a hype brand, you don't need to name things. What's time? It's also what Sony should be a hype company and stop naming things. One time when I was like a teenager, I woke up in the morning and I met my dad in the kitchen. He was like drinking coffee and I saw him like pick up a newspaper. And it was the LA Times and there was a feature story about the rapper Earl sweatshirt. And my dad picked it up and I just see he was like still waking up no coffee he goes he says out loud odd futures earl's

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Oh, yeah. I'm using it on the first thing. The first thing. Okay, here we go. First thing. Bubble soap. Candy. Hyped.

Overhyped or underhyped. GTA 6. Well, we can't know the answer. We know that. It is clearly. clearly very very hyped we will be guessing on if it's over or underhyped

based on what we think the game will actually be I don't know if it's possible to know that you could use your perfectly hyped Markov said he was going to use this perfectly hyped the thing is okay the thing is when something is that hyped it's basically impossible to low up to the hype so I think we would be safely probably correct if we said overhyped

I would agree with that when has a game ever been this hyped and lived up to it Breath of the Wild was that not nearly this this is one of the most the trailer for it was one of the most viewed YouTube videos of the year of all time that's crazy there's just so there's no way yeah i mean between those three options i'd probably say overhyped i'd say overhyped i was going to be meaner about it same game new city wow i don't even know if that's true we don't know if it's the same game but it's basically

where is it is it said in miami it's in florida not miami it's supposedly it's just flor i wish There are other cities in Florida? It's in Orlando. It's at Disney World. Never mind, underhypes. Original soundtrack by Florida, Georgia, line. What's that place where they have all the boats

where below deck is based? What is blank stairs across the room? Wait, guys, there's two trailers. There's a trailer from a year ago with 268 million views, and then they did another trailer six months later, which got another 139 million views. There's no way, Liz.

to this hype. There's no shot. I don't know, man. But what if it does? GTA 5 is like one of the most sold games of all time. If it does live up to the hype, we'll come back to this episode and give it an underhyped or perfectly hyped. But as of right now, there's just, as well as shave his head. The point is a better shot, it's overhithe. Yeah, it's definitely overhyped. I'll just say overhyped. Doesn't mean it's not great. All right. So overhyped for GTA six.

All right. The next one is, bo, blah, blah, blah, baby, teenage engineering. Hmm. Hmm. So I've only ever used one teenage engineering product in my life. And that is the microphone, the recorder. What about the actual recorder that Hugo, like, brought us? Oh, I don't think that's different from the microphone.

I use them. I have the microphone at home. The microphone is good, though, right? So the microphone is not very hyped, but it is $1,200. Yeah. So if we're talking overpriced or underpriced, it is overpriced. Priced. Microphones are expensive.

Microphones get really expensive. Microphones that sound as good as that microphone get way more expensive than that microphone. And I really appreciate that microphones that tend to be more expensive and higher quality than the teenage engineering mic tend to be a little bit harder to use. I'm not saying it's not expensive, but I'm saying every time you take that mic home and record a video on it, I go, hot, diggity. What was that recorded on? Interesting. And you go the teenage engineering mic, and I go, you know?

Okay. I mean, it's good. It's the only teenage engineering product I use. You've used products designed by teenage engineering before. Oh, in collaboration with. The R1, the nothing phones. That's fair. What about this $250 toy car?

Apparently it's awesome. I want to use my perfectly hyped on this, because I feel like every time you get in a teenage engineering product, it's just so freaking awesome. Like, they're so freaking cool. And they, like, did create an aesthetic that everyone has been trying to copy forever. Like, nothing is basically just trying to copy that. They make so much more than I thought they did.

They make a lot of stuff. However, I do think people buy their products, like Adam did a whole video on this, about how, you know, they intentionally limit the capabilities of their products, so they feel more like toys so that you experiment with them more but you're not actually using them for real production even if they they could allow you to use it for a real production and it would be incredible but they don't on purpose because they want you to be more experimental which makes me want to say it's overhyped only because people think that you can use them like a real sampler like a real MIDI keyboard that kind of stuff but that's my only reason otherwise

I think it's perfectly hyped also quick clarification that video never got made. Oh. Adam almost made a whole video about... That was right before we changed the whole strategy for studio. Oh. Really? You should be a cut of that.

Yeah. Wow. Just put on your YouTube channel. You've used more teen engineering products than I think anyone else I know. Oh, don't try to spin this around on me. So I'm just wondering... You're a reference for us. If you have an opinion on it.

I have a hard time saying if it's overhyper. or underhyped, because I think they are the hype. They like, like people are excited for their things and they know what they're getting. They're not like scamming anyone. That's what I'm saying.

I think they're perfectly hyped. That might be, yeah. I think this might be our perfectly hyped. I think they are a singular entity. Nobody has, people have tried to copy them and nobody's done it correctly.

And they're not going around like trying to build their own hype, right? They're just like, we make our stuff for people like it. They release weird stuff too. It's like always out of left field. I think then that,

specifically makes it appropriately hyped if it's all organic hype and it's for people who know what it is and what they're getting yeah then i say we spend our perfectly yeah let's spend our perfectly hyped on the wooden box orchestra people for 250 dollars each but it'll be the best wooden box orchestra person you've ever held the benefit of this is that nobody hyped this product but they made it anyway which i think makes it appropriately hyped fair enough yeah perfect so i'm so happy I'm so happy because the next thing on this list is having a dedicated camera. Overhyped or underhyped?

Underhyped. You think it's underhyped? I feel like we all now have a dedicated little side camera that we take even the kids. They all have the digit cams now. I have both of mine here today. Nice.

Is he in the room with us right now? I can go get them, but I don't think anyone cares. Is it... We have a whole... Underhead. It's on carrying it, you're like carrying a separate camera. Yeah, like having a separate camera. Like my cousin now has his like household blood too.

So like everyone has a separate camera as well as their iPhone slash and I think because of our, yeah, because of our name of this game, it's not over underrated. It's over under hyped. And I feel like this has not that much hype. Yeah, agreed. So I would say it's definitely not. There's whole YouTube channels that make a living off of this. Yeah, but they're not very, yeah, but they make pop in. I think carrying a dedicated camera is way.

Underhyped. Really? I'm not seeing that. I'm not seeing that. There are entire product categories in the dedicated camera space that are just like, this camera is like cheap enough. Like you don't have to think that. Yeah, like that's content for other photographers, you know?

Like every time I have a camera out, someone goes, are you a photographer? And it's like, well, everyone's a photographer if they just have a camera with them. Whoa, bars. I feel like the talk of the town for the vast years. has been like you got to get a digicam you got to you got to get the new Fuji film yeah but that's just for the vibes but also when you actually go out into the world how many people actually have a dedicated camera not that many people talk about this a lot but people don't actually do it but then everyone's Instagram post is a Polaride dump you ever notice that

everyone's Instagram post is 15 Polaroids for some reason are they real I've done a lot of folly family activities and I have seen very few cameras. Underhyped. If that's anecdotal, but like, if you could think of a position towards someone would bring a dedicated camera to do, because I'm the turd there with it. I do live in, as we would say, iPhone air territory,

so maybe my perception is a little skewed. iPhone airatory. Yeah. You know, David, what? When Kendall Jenner posted her picture with the context, how difficult did it be? come to find the context impossible that's what i'm saying yeah she overhyped the context t2 well i think since then film cameras in general have blown up yeah but then they also they have blown up they imploded again

though okay the market did shrink it took a little bit the contacts is still too expensive but it is freaking amazing it's a great camera under hyped under we're saying underhyped because we haven't seen this hype because it's not like a thing that everyone does it's hype enough for us to debate if it's underhyper overhyped but I think it's still in the underhyped category yeah yeah I think it's underhyped all right okay camera underhyped that's right all right we're all still cool I promise number number four live translation overhyped overhyped here's here's del's advocate the concept of live translation is we are imagining perfect live translation The products themselves are short of perfect, so they're approaching this idea and then falling short.

But the concept of perfect live translation and anyone on earth being able to talk to anyone else on earth, fluidly and perfectly without having to think about it, is pretty under. The concept of flapping my arms and flying is pretty awesome, too. I think the fact that we're working on it and falling short of it makes it very clear that the products aren't all that they're cracked up to be. But the idea of what they're working towards is amazing. The phrase live translation is a misnomer, too. Because it would only be live if you literally had a babblefish in your ear and you could directly understand what people were saying. And there was like no delay. Yeah.

But the idea, though, is that you can get pretty close to that. Obviously, the text's not there yet. But, you know, someone starts talking and it's in a language you don't know. And then within a half a second, you start hearing the correct language. Yeah. I mean that well okay but we're talking about hype levels though right

and I feel like these companies the companies are hyping the idea have been hyping this idea for so long but they're hyping uh they're hyping the product which falls short of the idea correct which is why it's overhyped but the idea itself is like a humanoid robot is not hyped as much as

the product but I would say right now the fact that like seven different companies this year announced it in an announcement with a product that barely even does it is like that peak overhyped tech stuff of like announcing a product that doesn't work. They literally started talking about this

during like the pixel one with the original pixel buds. And they've said it every year and I feel like if you hype something and it doesn't live up to how you're hyping it then it's overhyped. Yeah. Right?

If they hyped it and it was like better than they said then it would be underhiked. Well, I mean, no product is ever, no tech product especially is ever, like, better than they say it's going to be, I think, in my opinion. Only GTSX. Very rarely.

But, yeah, I agree. I mean, my devil's advocate is like, none of the products are good enough to consider them done yet, so we're still working towards this idea. And when we get there, it's going to be amazing. But what I can buy right now. But what you can buy right now is overhyped. I mean, it's...

But is that what you're asking. You can say that about AI, too. Are we talking about the concept or the products that exist because you said live translate that's fair so when i hear you talk about concepts now alice just said live translation as a concept next one world peace overhyped pretty hype so anyway that's the angle i was coming here in cancer the idea but if we're saying the products that exist now i agree they're overhyped yeah overhyped overhyped okay next on this list the orange iPhone overhyped overhyped overhyped

Okay, as someone who loved it at first, it's overhyped. It's not as good as I thought it was going to be. Damn. Like, I'm glad they did it. It's good. I agree. I'm glad they did it. You're glad they tried, but. Yeah.

As Marquez holds up his orange iPhone. I've liked it more over time, to be honest. I have two, but I'm not sure if that's just me falling for the marketing because I do think that initially I was super hyped on the orange phone, then it came out and I didn't like it. Yeah. And as I see it more, I'm liking it again. Mark has an orange iPhone owner have you liked it more or less less than I thought I would since it came out yeah okay I thought I would like it it's not as orange as I was hoping

and the orange bleating around the sides you really have to commit to the orange for sure and I want to put a case on a skin on it so bad wait why did you take off the half broken skin because it was too thick and the buttons it was annoying with the buttons I'll probably do this again I'll probably put a half a skin on my phone again because I think that was kind of fire it's like venom you know yeah but anyway I I wish they made a black one. Symbiote. So, overhyped.

Overhyped. I have to say it. Overhyped or underhyped? Color OS. Underhyped. Underhyped? Well, it depends on who's doing the hyping. The company is hyping the hell out of it.

But, sort of. The response from people is not as good. People are having an instinctual reaction because they remember a world where Oxygen OS was the best Android OS, and they're just mad about it going. away in name but colorOS and oxygen are like the same OS now yeah so but they're further from the original oxygen OS we out love by far yeah straight and now it's all color OS basically for sure but it's still good it's good I think it's one of the best Chinese I think it's one of the best like

Chinese OSs I watch so many videos on this and I am very intrigued yeah try color OS remember fun touch no yeah I think I you know what I'm saying underhyped I'm gonna say underhyped because Because in my using the one plus 15, if the cameras were good, would 100% daily that I found. And I was not annoyed by any of the software. I could easily just not use the annoying AI features or mine space or whatever. I don't care about it. And like the aesthetics and stuff that's like kind of obviously copying iOS is what it is. Well, plus 15 is still oxygen, though, right?

It's oxygen, sorry, but it's basically color. Are they basically the same thing? So like, I don't mind it. And the, so it would be the Opio FindX9 Pro that had. OS. That's the last phone I used with that. It was fine. It was good. Lots of good features. It's very quick and responsive. Weird sounds. Fine. Whatever. Nothing like the Galaxy S3 is water droplet. Yeah, the water droplet sounds. But I think in general, the amount of optimization and performance tuning that they do that

people don't really talk about is under-hired. Under-hyped. I agree. Under-hyped. Yeah. Yeah. Andrew, what do you say? I said under-hyped. Under-haped as well. All under-hyped. Next. AI browsers. overhyped overhyped by a certain everyone here uses well no no

there's two types of people there's two types of people there's people who don't know about or don't care about and don't talk at all about AI browsers and then there's people who overhype AI browsers yeah it's like there's no nice balance in between well you know I think I might sometimes no it's just people who are like obsessed with AI browsers

and I'm guilty it's like all over my feed it's clearly it's clearly serving it to me um but they're they're currently overhyped but again the idea they could be yeah i'm going overhymed i don't know the idea get it which by the way they are just like turning dia into art i am it's such and it's great every week they're just like here's another arc feature as unfortunate as it was that i was wrong about arc being still like a priority for them it's so clear that they're just turning dia into arc and i'm happy and what's

going to happen when DIA has when all of the arc features are on Dia? Then I will be fulfilled. The Ark Wolfie is gone. They will probably get rid of it. Yeah. Later. So for those of you who were like me and were using

ARC and switched to DIA because they had adopted enough of the arc features. Sully pinfolders, Josh. You are probably going through the same emotional arc as I am. Because it has been slowly adopting, like the pin tabs look like Arc now and they're on their way. I need pinfolders. Please, please.

Mark, because I think you're the only, or David, you've also spent some time with this product. I can't wait to answer that. You should. The Bukes Palma 2 Pro. The Xiaomi, SU7. Oh, yeah. Or is it Sue 7? Everyone around the office has been saying Sue 7.

It's SU 7. I feel like an SUV, but with a number. Because they're, yeah, it's SU7. Right? Is it overhyped or underhyped? It is underhyped. It's underhyped for show. It is an incredible vehicle for an incredible.

incredibly low price and the thing is like it's underhyped because people are never going to buy it in many markets like here and it's unavailable and they don't know how good it is which is why I think by definition it's underhyped well so it's under happened in the United States my question is is this a popular product in China yes yes it is so then it's not underhyped in China well it's correctly hyped in China the market speaks for itself like people buy it supply and demands are speaking for themselves and it's popular out everywhere outside of those available markets where it's unavailable people have no idea how good it is. Yeah. So I think it's underhyped. That's fair. That's my logic. Do we get a, we get a perfectly hyped and we get a correctly hyped in China, too. In Minecraft.

I feel like every car person that I know and the few that I watch are super excited about that car. So I don't know if that it's under hyped. I feel like it's hard to get really hyped about it though when... You can never get it. Yeah, we can't get it. Yeah, because every non-car person has no idea how amazing it is. That's fair.

I haven't actually gotten to drive in it yet, but my experience with it was pretty weird. I'm not going to lie. Only because the two features I got to explore were the karaoke, which I found bizarre. The song selection was really bizarre. No creed. No creed in the included. Oh, right.

But, and then in the backseat, the like, doyin on the screen. The tab the screen. I found that incredibly off-putting. Just like endlessly in a car scrolling through like Chinese thirst traps and live League of Legend competitions. Yeah. Why is this here? There is a lot going on with the car. And obviously, Xiaomi is a company that makes smartphones.

And they are kind of like the LG or whatever of China. Like they make appliances. They make smart home security systems. They make everything. Smart phones, obviously. And now they make this car. And so they kind of just plugged into their ecosystem. Like, it works with everything.

Yeah. And they have Xiaomi tablets in the back seats, and it pairs with their Xiaomi phone and can have, like, modules attached to the screen, and they connect to your, like, there's a lot going on. And you don't have to use any of it, and you chose to use some of the weird parts, which is great. But I think, like, as a vehicle, like, as an owner, like, as I'm dalying the thing, it's like it rides really well.

It has good range. The software is super responsive. It's the biggest carplay I've ever seen. The speakers are amazing. it has active noise cancellation just like the things that make a car nice build quality materials comfort it's all there yeah it's it's really good i kind of felt like when i was driving it in california it felt like the combination between a model s and uh Porsche sure that was sort of my analogy i think that's fair good save thanks way cheaper than both of them yeah 40 000 all right

so under hyped sticking with it yeah i'm sure all right next liquid glass overhyped by apple yeah that's the hard thing is by who yeah i don't think a lot of people are hyping liquid glass yeah apple's hyping liquid glass and then everyone's responding with not so hype you know how i know it's overhyped because all of the designer people who are just like love anything apple does originally when they first announced it was like this is the greatest thing ever and then after like one beta they were like oh my god this is terrible so I mean it's definitely not under I'm G's fair yeah I kind of like it I don't I'm not saying it's phone I have it on my iPad but I don't know the only liquid glass feature that I there's two liquid gas

features I like I like that when you pull down the notification shade thing it does that like distortion field over like whatever you have I love that it's so funny every time I'm like And then for the apps that support it, the virtual glass tile that moves between the options, like, I like that. But pretty much nothing else about that OS I actually enjoy. So, especially the fact that it destroys my battery life. I love that. Not enough people talking about that.

I'm going to say overhyped because a lot of companies are, like, changing the way that their apps work and look to fit it. I feel like the YouTube player kind of looks a little bit lessy now. Like, a lot of other companies are shifting their designs more towards that. To be more classy. To be like, to be fair, it's more cohesive. But, yeah. Is this the world we want? I don't think I need that.

I would prefer skemorphism over this, like, hybrid skemorphism. I think we're in too deep, dude. I like flat white. Where we were at, like, five years ago. Well, I know that that's a drink or whatever. But I think where we were at, like, five to six years ago where everything was, like, clean. And we overdid that, too, obviously. there was like way too much blank space everywhere but there was nice clean flat 2d shapes everything

was crisp and clean about like the original what about the original the original the original the original ios and the original that like real material schumorphism that was another vibe you could get into that it's definitely a vibe i don't know if i was into that part i love it where you open the books app and a shelf comes out of your iPhone that was a choice that was a choice do you want to have fun in your life marquez i think we're in too deep like all the things we do on our phones now don't have non-phone analogs anymore. Yeah, that's a good question. That's a good point.

Like what? Like TikTok. Like scrolling and infinity. The YouTube TV context like barely made sense with the app icon, but like what the heck, in what other world are we like? That's fair. That's a good point. You know what's very specifically, so just because you said TikTok it reminded me, like the swiping thing, it's just pains of videos and that's kind of boring. but Android's new Android, what is this, 15?

Android 15, Android 16, Android 16's new Material 3 expressive where you pull a notification out from the group and swipe it away, the physics of it. I feel like they're objects. I really enjoy that specifically. Before we leave this, Marquez, I did want to ask something specifically of you because you have seen K-pop Demon Hunters.

This is like part of your new. Many times. I've only seen the first 30 minutes of it, But I wanted to ask you, did you notice in those first 30 minutes? I can't remember exactly how many there were, but how many horizontal or vertical wipes there were to get between scenes. Oh, no, I didn't notice that. I was trying to guess if they did that on purpose to, like, fool TikTok addicted children into, like, maintaining attention. It felt like, did you notice that?

It was visual cocaine. I think in the first 30 minutes are only like two or three times. But every single time, I'd never seen a movie get from one scene to another. by going and I was like I will probably watch it again I didn't notice that is it not kind of like comic booky of like swiping to a panel

like that's how I would imagine it I haven't seen it in the comic book one it's normally like a zoom out of a panel I could see that or I can see a page swipe but like I you still you know panels up and down also this is just how I interpret it watching the movie going from like

you know anyway how many more do you guys want to do these more two more more let's do two more two more uh AI notification summaries wait look this is a universally hated feature right so if you find any value it's not no come under I don't think it's universally hated because I just get really funny ones like I just had one I just took a screenshot off this is the only thing they're good for It's a screenshot of when it messes up, it's kind of funny. So it's my email app, right? And it's summarizing a bunch of emails.

But for some reason, it gives, like, a summarized subject that's trying to, like, total all of the, you know, because it's like, Marquez is angry about this and blank, right? This one is from Gmail. The headline is, the subject is, this is going to be fun. And it says, credit card payment scheduled for $2,300. I was like, yeah. I love not having money. To be fun. This is going to be fun.

Jesus. Yeah. I, just for another anecdote is when you're, when you're setting up a new iPhone now, it's one of the steps in the setup process is do you want notification summaries? Yeah. And I instantly hit no. Which, by the way, new story we didn't cover today is that the pixel is getting notification summaries. That's exactly why I put it in here.

I've never tried it. So I can't say it. Using a phone to me is managing your notifications. That is what. using a phone is. I get notifications. I decide what to engage with and what not to. I dismiss some. I go into apps from some. It's like a launcher.

And trying to like distill that and summarize that is just not useful to me. Yeah. That's all. Can you prompt inject notification summaries? Has anyone tried this yet? I don't think I didn't input anything.

But if you sent a message that was like... That said a certain... Yeah, it was like ignore all previous instructions. You know, just for Flon. It would just be a regular reply to whatever notification. No, but would the summary

the other person get? Like, could you dictate what the summary says? By wording a message in a specific way. I think the only reason notification summaries exist is because this was like

one of the first use cases of AI and LLMs. Summarize the thing. We built the LLMs and everyone was like, quick, figure out what we can do with this, figure it out, figure it out. And that's why we got like,

image playground that's why everything has a summarized button they basically just gave us features that they could do not that they should do yeah so okay that's why image playground exists too speaking of which wait did we settle what what it was overhyped it's over overhyped yeah all right next insane image generation what bro do you remember insane image well just image generation AI do you remember when they had like google deep dream Do you remember Google Deep Dream? No. This is like early Google image generation.

No. And it was so insane. Like pull up a couple of them. Yeah, it was like you were on lots of drugs. It was like very acid induced. That was a much better image generation than what we have now. I miss Google Deep Dream. I miss that.

Isn't that incredible? I think the fact that Image Playgrounds is pre-installing iPhone is all we need to say. It's clearly overhyped. Yeah, it's overhead. Does anybody ever use any of them? Also, it's bad for society, so very overhyped. All right. Image generation, overhyped.

SORA. Simple. Unanimous. It sounds like AI. Unanimous decision. Yeah. All right, then let's take it to trivia. Underhypes.

Hyped the bubble, maybe. Yeah, I love it. It literally looks like you're on. If you do it in VR. Oh, God. Today's first trivia question. is a tail of three socks. Right.

Specifically, I'm wondering which sock is the most expensive. Hit it at him. Wait, I need a pen. Where's my pen? The brand new in packaging, five pack of the 2004 iPod socks that sold yesterday on eBay. The short strap iPhone pocket sock. That is a really hard sentence to say. Or see a pair of plain white men's socks from a fashion.

brand, Balenciaga. Note, these are plain white socks from Balenciaga, not the Cardi B mentioned balenciagas that look like socks. What? Important distinction. Wait, what are those? Those are shoes. Oh.

Okay. Flip him and read. What are you got? Oh. We literally all put the, oh, no, you guys put the same thing. Marquez and David, what did you guys put? Well, I did put it something different. So I put...

Oh, everyone put something. Sorry. No, Marquez and I put the same thing. Yeah, why mistake, which is... So I put A, which is the new inbox retro sock. Five socks. Unfortunately, those were sold for 81.99. That's way too high.

Did you put... Valencia. Which sold for $130. Meaning this new iPhone pocket sock is the most expensive sock. And that's the least expensive out of the new expensive socks. exactly i'm buying me some valenciagas baby those were prices per skews if you adjust it for price per sock it still is the most expensive sock nice quick update on the score marquez and andrew tied with ten david with six come on david you got this we were talking about hype fashion and tech

collabs bathing ape and stash once collabs with which famous camera brand to launch a camera Don't overthink it Hammerbrand High fashion Adam This is my Opportunity He said come on David

And you give them hints Come on I only got one shot All right I don't want to miss my chance to blow Mom spaghetti Get ready to flip it And read what do we got

I feel like Guys Oh Mark has what you put. Three different answers here. I guessed Polaroid. Nope. Why are you laughing at it?

It's BAPE. You don't even know what BAPE is. How can you... I said Kodak. Nope. David, what is it? Likea. Correct.

Like it will just sell out anywhere, huh? Bro, have you seen the CLE Q2? No. Like the musician's seal? What? Look it up. It's so ugly. It's also.

sequence look it out it's that material when you go to ross and they have those the pillows that you can like carve a face in how much do they sell that for it's like a lot of money yeah six thousand however much the Q2 is yeah you know i've never shot i've never actually i don't think i've ever shot and owned with a likas so the only likas i've ever used are like wawaway phones basically and that's where all of my knowledge of lika comes from so Lika has done a lot of class. There's something awesome about you completely hurtling over the LICA price point, going straight. Going straight to know a Hosselblot as a camera owner.

Yeah. Yeah. The HosselBot is cheaper than Likas. No, that's what I'm, oh. Heselb, yeah, they're both pretty expensive. The new Hustleblot is cheaper than pretty much every main full frame Lika. Is that true? Yes.

They did a Lenny Kravitz collaboration. Oh, I got to see this. It's snake skin and. Brown. I love that. Incredible. Well, hey, look, like I said, if we don't get points, we will at least learn something, and I have learned so much about Laika in the last five minutes. Thank you guys for watching and for staying tuned and for, of course, enabling all the amazing numbers we got to talk about, but also just for subscribing and for hanging out with us. So we'll see you guys next week. Pace. Goodbye.

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