Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - This is the Best Android Update Ever

Episode Date: June 19, 2026

Marques, Andrew, and David start this episode off by diving straight into the new Snap Specs . Then it's all about the new Google Home Speaker with Gemini and everything Android 17. They wrap it up by talking about the proposed U.K social media legislation as well as the ongoing Anthropic vs U.S government debacle. Of course, we wrap it all up with trivia. Enjoy! Links: Snap Specs AWE XR - Snap Specs reveal CNBC - Interview with Evan Spiegel Google Home Speaker In Depth Tech Reviews - Android 17 video Reddit - Android 17 Megathread The Verge - Inside the fight over Claude This episode brought to you by: Framer: https://www.framer.com/wave Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/wave Follow us on socials: Marques: https://twitter.com/MKBHD Andrew: https://www.instagram.com/andrew_manganelli/ David: https://www.instagram.com/davidimel/ Adam: https://www.instagram.com/parmesanpapi17/ Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Rufus: https://www.instagram.com/rmullhaupt/ Mariah: https://www.instagram.com/totallynotabusinessacc/?hl=en Waveform: Twitter: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Intro/Outro music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew. I'm David. Still got that next jersey on. Still. Very nice. Never taking it off. I've been a fan for 15 days.

It must be good luck. Today's episode, we got Google's releases, including Android 17. We've got to talk about that. Also, multiple AR-X-X-R glasses have come out. Multiple tech bands have happened. and also new matter updates. So we got a whole bunch stuff to talk about. It matters.

It does matter. Just in case you're wondering if this episode's a little late, it might be because the Knicks won the NBA finals. Woo! Adam is a big Knicks fan. Wait, the Knicks one, the NBA final. Adam's going to the parade. We're also recording this late because Marquez was just in Rome

and flew back like an hour ago. I just landed. It landed an hour. An hour ago. So we're starting late. We're editing late. Maybe it'll be on time. If so, Adam's a bigger MVP than Jalen Brunson.

Big A, hey, A. Wow. Well, I mean, kind of true. Always true. I mean, true, even if it's super late. But we hear. We're still here. Yeah, if you make it to the end of the episode, you can comment

Adam as a real MVP. Speaking of Jalen Brunson, though, I just got to mention. Look, that guy can stop so fast. You know, Wemby's tripping all over him. Those refs are not calling nothing on Webby. He's like making jumps going for his ACL. David knows crazy. Also, Cat, Cat was like very underrepresented.

He is really the reason they won game one and two, which is crazy. Talk about it. But in the 15 days, the long 15 days that I've been covering, like, follow in basketball, that hand of OG tip-off that I watched that live was probably the best basketball I've ever seen in 15 days. It was crazy. It's the only and it's the best. I mean, it was one of the first games of basketball I had ever watched. And all the announcers was like, I think this is the best game I've ever seen in my life.

And I was like, did you see? Time to start. Was it Charles Barkley? That was like, that was a world-class choked. What did he say? It was the dumbest team in the history of civilization, the way the Spurs lost that game. It was tough to watch.

That's pretty rough to say. I was in the garden for that. And shout out to, yeah, my dad's a big Knicks fan, Lifetime Knicks fan, decided on a whim to take him to a game. That was the game we went to. Probably the greatest Knicks game of all time. Definitely. Yeah, it's up there.

It was incredible. It was up to and it ain't too. Yeah. Your dad's the most stoic man ever. Like, you're sending pictures of it. And that man was just, he's like, you could tell the hope was there, but he didn't want to get over excited. He waited until the final buzzer to be like, oh, my God, that actually won. Because there were many opportunities to lose, even though they had this incredible comeback, and they actually won.

29 point comeback. Yeah. And if you like this. In like six minutes. If you like this talk of basketball, just wait, because we have a whole bonus episode coming up next week. So we don't even get ready for that because I already know everything about basketball, man. We'll see about that. He's going to teach Alex about the next.

Yeah, I'm going to see. Yeah. Come at me, Alex. Let's go. But first. Okay. Did they even test this? I have two.

They're both pretty small. One I think is more niche and one I know it happens to everyone, but it's really fast. Which would you rather like? The one that happens to everyone, I think. Okay. So, have you ever noticed on YouTube web when you go to the search bar and you hover over the X, the highlighting circle is breaking over pretty much. every line in the UI possible.

This is terrible. Tim would freak out if he saw this. But I checked in multiple browsers. It's happening in all of them, for all the ones I tested. How did no one on the YouTube AI, or YouTube UI team see this? Have you seen the Fitbit app?

Yeah. They fixed it, and it's still not centered. That, I saw someone say they fixed it, but all they fixed was the two different dark modes. The dark thing they fixed, which was a big deal. which should be really easy. But the text is still not correctly aligned.

Because they put Cal under the one number, which just absolutely decimates the lining, which you'd think anyone could fix them. I don't know, man. I feel like Google, yeah, their software can be a little. YouTube, like, updates the UI every couple months with subtle things. I think mobile just got this update that doesn't show subscribers anymore. And it shows, like, live, it shows views instead of subscribers.

Yeah, and I know that they always claim to be doing lots of small volume tests. They'll do a test that's like half a percent of people on the site will see this. And if it goes over well, then we'll show it to 1% and then 1.5%. Somehow these things make it all the way to the end. And then we go, wait, what? But those are at least on purpose changes that suck. Yeah. This is just a straight-up UI, like one of the most clicked places on the homepage.

Actually, that's a good question. Do people actually, I don't usually click the X. I've never clicked. Really? Really? Yeah, I've never noticed it all the time. I click it all the time because... I guess it's Command A.

One, if you notice that whatever you search, no matter how long you stay in the browser, the thing stays in the search box all the time, even if you click through a million videos. So I like clearing that out. And clicking that X is... In case someone stands over your shoulder and sees the embarrassing thing.

Exactly. I thought you were about to search. Just like how to know everything about the next in the next hour. No, no, no, no, no, no. Give me the history of basketball, TLDR. Long 15 days from... By the way, Steph Curry, I know that he popularized the three-pointer and he can shoot that shit from like three-quarters away from the court. That's crazy.

Yeah. But like they put that, they gave Wemby that play. They were like, make a bunch of three-pointers because you're seven feet eight. And then Jalen Brunson, the mini guy, he's like, I don't care about three-pointers. I'm just going to ram in here and get twos over and over and over again within six minutes. It's freaking crazy. It's so crazy. But Steph Curry

Still might be the goat of all time Is all I gotta say I want more of these takes But I can't we can't keep doing this You can't just to get David in a hockey Yeah So bad We're more listeners no balls

Okay really quick on that YouTube update though On the mobile I think it's a good change I kind of want to debate this a little bit What part? The not showing The subscribers And just showing views

It does So when there's a subscribe, here's where I'll play devil's advocate. I think showing the subscribe button, I guess I'm generally in favor of glanceable quality metrics. And when they took away the dislike counter to me, I was like, I get why they're doing this,

but if I see a video like a tutorial on how to install something electrical and it has way more dislikes than normal, I know not to follow that tutorial at a glance. I don't have to get 12 minutes in and be like, wait, this doesn't seem right. And to me, the subscriber counter is a glanceable, like quality

verification, like if I'm watching a video, I guess I feel like people are more likely to watch a video from a channel with more subscribers. And when you don't have that on the watch page, so you're just clicking into a random related video, you don't know how many subscribers it has. You're going purely by how many views it has.

I've got God's advocate for you, because it's the devil's devil's advocate. Sure. Okay. YouTube is now old enough that there are many, many, many channels that have a ton of subscribers that don't make quality content anymore. Did you watch the latest Mr. B's video?

It's all people with a million subscribers and half of them don't get any views anymore. Yeah. Yeah. So like a lot of the... You're not one. Yeah, this is the thing. This is the thing. Subscribers can sort of be a legacy artifact.

Like, for you, you're still getting really good views. It's still very much a vanity metric. Has been for a long time. Right. I agree. Right. But like, it makes it easier now for people to break onto this. Because the algorithm behind the scenes is already sort of doing a lot of,

of work to tell the search engine whether or not this is a quality video, right? It's based on how long people stayed on the video for all of these metrics. And so like for me now it's like subscriber count. There might be a YouTuber from 15 years ago, but he completely sold out his channel five years ago. And so there's a lot of subscribers, but it's not a good indicator of quality. Yeah, I would say that. Yeah. I'd say there's a small, there's a percentage that is a good indicator of quality like yourself, but there is a lot of people that I don't think it's necessarily good indicator of quality. Also, maybe they're making the same type of video that they made that everyone kind of vived with 10 years ago, but nobody really cares for anymore.

That's just, you know, times change. I feel like an argument for showing subscribers, which is your argument, but the opposite of it is if there's a low subscriber channel with a ton of videos, I'm more likely to be like, well, something's going right here. Like, I want to watch this because something's clicking with people. Yeah, it's like it's an outlier. And outliers generally are either if it's a tutorial type thing, it's like, okay, people really connected with this tutorial and it seems to be working. Or something insane happened in this and I want to see what that is. That is in the same realm of, yeah, glanceable information. I glance at, oh, this has three million views, but the channel only has 10,000 subscribers. Okay, that tells me something.

Rather than not having that. To that, though, I feel like, I kind of feel like if someone's made a thousand videos but then none of them get views. I feel like the algorithm is really good at surfacing good content. And so if it didn't surface a single one of those videos over the thousand videos they made, they just don't make good content in general. Yeah, I guess you're more in the realm of suggested videos and the algorithm surfacing things for you on the homepage. I'm more in the realm of search and manually going to content and trying to judge if I should watch it on the spot. But doesn't the search engine kind of do the same thing as what the homepage is doing? It tries, but it still will show me bad stuff.

So if I get to a video and it's bad, I can glance at, oh, it has a bunch of dislikes, it's bad versus it's gone now. So I might watch too much of the video to realize I've wasted my time. You're talking about like you search something specific. How do I pick this thing that's specific? You're talking about homepage. Yeah, but I mean the search, you know, if a video has 200,000 views on the search engine, I still think that's a decent indicator of quality. It's one of them generally. Yeah, the view count.

What if they got rid of view count? I know. You can't do that. Because this falls, this is like the slope of your exact same argument. Well, the algorithm is going to tell me what's good. It's pretty good at that already. It's doing all that stuff behind the scenes. I see what you're saying.

But I would like to know how many views it has. Yeah. I would like to see how many likes and dislikes. Okay, yeah, I get what you're saying. Yeah. All right. Well. Well, we'll see.

It's still there on desktop. It's still there on desktop. I can still see this stuff, but we'll see how long that lasts. Yeah. All right. We've got to talk about these glasses. You don't even have the name on that. It's funny because there's a post in the MKBHD suburb that it's like, finally, like something

incredibly dramatic has happened right before they record on Wednesday. And it is Snapchat's unveiling of the new AR glasses. And, of course, Evan, their CEO, is going around doing a bunch of interviews like wearing glasses. They showed it to people. About two years ago, I think it was. We had the previous generation of their AR spectacles here. and they were massive and extremely first-gen feeling,

but at least it worked and it was a proof of concept and I could see the idea. Now this new generation of them is $2,200. They're going to sell these. They are a little tiny bit smaller, but they still look quite large, quite heavy. Do you want me to do specs first and then we'll talk about the most fun part,

which is what they look like? Yeah, let's expect the specs. Okay, 2000. Okay, $2,195. Snap is calling them wearable computer built into see-through AR glasses. To give them credit, they are standalone. There's no puck, there's no wire. You'll see where they fit all of it later.

Two Snapdragon chips. Yep, two Snapdragon chips. Four hours of battery, 20 including the case. Depending on the size, it's either 132 or 136 grams. Yeah. There's two sizes? Yeah, I didn't really get what that meant. It was for people with smaller heads and people with bigger heads.

Yeah, I guess. There's an LED bar to show that they're recording. This has a 51-degree field of view, which the previous ones we did were 46, and, man, I remember that feeling really limiting. So I'm glad it's higher, but that's not much higher. Yeah. Five degrees higher is not. The meta-Oryans were 70 degrees, and that felt so much better.

Same with the X-Real aura. Are they? 70. 70. 72, I think. I do. The spec prototypes, we haven't used these new ones. I do think I remember the resolution being so much better than the Orion's,

but I would pick Field of View over resolution any day because it, when I was wearing them, it just kept getting cut off, like whole parts of the screen, which is gone. I remember playing a golf game with them, and the whole idea of the golf game is like it overlays the golf hole and the world over your real world, but I would look down at the club and the ball, and then I would look up at the target,

and I couldn't see them both at the same time, And then when I had swing the club, I can't see the club anymore. So I only see the ball. And it was very like segmenting. It just took me out of the immersion because of how compact the field of view is. It cut off really fast. And then they're claiming it can show 60 million colors and go from clear to tinted. Yeah.

Okay. Now who wants to talk about what they look like? They look. Prada. Well, okay. There's two things about them that I think are weird. One is the size. Obviously, you're fitting a ton of compute in them.

And to their credit, they have jammed a ton of compute in. these things, but they have these really big, thick arms, big thick rims, and even over behind the ear, there's extra weight sort of counterbalancing everything. So 130 grams is pretty heavy for something you're going to wear on your face that's supposed to feel clear. If it's a VR headset, maybe you're expecting, you know, heavy, but the glasses are kind of heavy. The other thing, though, is every single one of these pictures I've seen, pictures and videos,

I can't see quite through to his eyes very well. I don't know if it's the wave guides or if something about the glasses. that they're using, but it doesn't feel like I'm looking at someone wearing glasses. It feels like I'm looking at someone who's wearing, I mean, they might as well just be wearing a headset. Yeah. I'm not making real high contact. You know what I mean?

Like, this is from the pictures I'm seeing. Maybe there's just a ton of lights in the room. There's video too. And it cracks me up every time I see him, like, turn his head around and smile. Yeah, they look like fogged over or something. Yeah. So those are the two things that I noticed that would turn me off from giving a chance. And obviously, these are still super early.

And the devil's advocate for these is, well, Well, at some point, they're going to be really good. And then we'll all want these because they'll be really nice. And this is just the early adopter version. To which I'd say, yes, this is the really, really early adopter. From a company that doesn't really have any usable applications for day-to-day use. That's what seems very confusing to me about this, is that Evans positions them as a wearable computer. To do what exactly in Snapchat?

like Snapchat's UI and AR and whatever. Right. They don't have like applications like Apple has with the Vision. Not even Apple has with Vision Pro, which Apple doesn't really have that many applications for the Vision Pro, but at least you can use Safari and you can use messages. Got a YouTube app now. There's a YouTube app now.

You can watch movies. There's actually, there's a little utility to Vision Pro. What do you actually do in these besides Snapchat? Yeah. That's my question. From what I remember, I mean, there's a bunch of these, there's lenses and there's a bunch of, It felt like applications, and I'm not remembering everything.

I have to go back and watch my own video just to refresh my memory. But there were some apps and there are some developers who are making things that work with these glasses. But it wasn't in the name of productivity, usually. It was typically just like, here's a thing that we built that takes advantage of AR. So, like, my computer screen is not in there. My documents aren't in there. My browsers and YouTube videos are not in there. But it's just a couple experiences.

This is kind of analogous to the Windows phone. Because if there's no developers making actual things that people use, every day and like porting their stuff to it. What do you do with it? It's a confusing thing because he says there's 450,000 developers creating for Snap AR, but like that obviously is including the Snapchat

AR that they've had for years. So like, I don't think I need a pair of glasses that are going to play the dancing hot dog guy out in a 50 degree field station. This is the primary use case of the glasses. I'm sure there is more. I'm sure there's some stuff. But none of that can get past.

I think calling it thick is an understatement. they're like, if you took glasses and made them bold and then still one and a half X to them, like they just do not fit on his head. His ears are absolutely crushed. There's an interview of him on CNBC that is brutal. And he literally looks like he's like moving down his head, like, throughout the whole thing. And I honestly think it's because of the weight of the glasses. They stick out like four inches past your ear with these big.

I mean, it's cool that they fit all that. I know that it's a huge tech. advancement for where it is. But two years ago, these were really cool because it was a prototype that we could see where they're going. Now it's a $2,200 thing that a person can buy, and it's going to get made fun of because of that. Yeah, I think that it's cool that they were able to pack that much technology into the

glasses. And if you were to compare these to, like, an actual wearable computer, like a Vision Pro, and you said, oh, we basically packed most of the Vision Pro's technology into thick, arguably very thick glasses. It's still like shrinking down the tech by a lot. That's what I was going to say is like there are two ways to look at this, uh, this like dimensions and one of them makes them look really impressive.

Yeah. And the other makes them look really bad. Yeah. The really impressive one is, okay, these glasses are 130 something grams. And a Vision Pro is seven or 800 grams. And this doesn't have a puck. This has all the compute, all the sensors, all the chips, all the batteries, everything all built in at 130 grams.

That's actually very. It's kind of insane. It is. Really impressive technical feet. The other angle is Rayban metas with the cameras in them and the batteries and the compute for that are, according to Google, about 50 grams. So you're wearing, and the X reels, which I just showed you, which feel too heavy. They're a little bit front heavy, but I wouldn't want to wear them all day.

And they have the electrocomic glass and the tint and everything. Those were in the 90 gram range. So these being 130 is, but not an all-day product. The X-rayal and the meta, use your phone. And they have a separate compute. Exactly. Yeah. Which, in my opinion, is better, but that's just.

Using your phone or not? Yeah, using your phone. I mean, it's cool that they can do it. Using your phone, I don't think it's that big of a deal because we have it. The tether, not having that is huge. I totally agree. But by saying like these all compute by themselves and these don't have a tether or they don't have a puck, they still have to be glasses at the end of the day.

and they just look so uncomfortable. No part of him wearing that in any of those interviews, does he look like he's having a good time with them? I don't know who it was. Someone sent a picture of Danny DeVito, and they missed out on having him wear the glasses. I think, yeah, the closest thing to this is like HoloLens, right? Because it's a standalone device that you wear when you want to do certain tasks,

but it's not necessarily like a, they're kind of angling them as a thing that you just wear every day. Yes, that's my problem. That's the mistake. I have a quote from him. He says, during that CNBC interview, he says, the goal for these are to bring computing into the world and make it more human. I think it's something people are really looking for

where screens are distracting them and people are spending more than seven hours a day staring at a screen instead of spending time with their friends. He's saying that with two giant screens glued to his eyeballs where the interviewer can't even see his eyes. That would have hit so much harder if the glasses were clear. I know. It feels like more of separation because now I just,

can't see your eyes. I don't know if you're looking at something. Also, you can't spend seven hours a day staring at them because it has a four hour battery. So like, I don't know. Is it four hours or two hours? It's four hours for now. Four hours. Yeah, and he wants you to spend 14 hours a day staring into the screens. Okay, I'm going to be devil's advocate here. I think these are dope because they are specifically an Applevision pro alternative. I don't see them as a meta-glasses alternative. Like, I'm not expecting anyone to wear these walking around all day. These are developers that are building the future of AR, just like Apple Vision Pro, no matter what Apple wants to say. Regular people aren't using that.

That's for developers building the future of AR. I agree with you. And that's kind of how I view these. It's just not how they position them. Exactly. Their positioning is where they're messed up. Yeah. So I remember years ago, way back at the beginning of this ARXR thing, we talked about the spectrum of like on one side of the spectrum, there's VR headsets.

Oh, yeah. Where you're obviously not going to walk around in them. They're an opaque thing with like pass-through cameras and you put it on, you're fully immersed and they're heavy and you watch a movie in it for an hour or whatever wear it for work. That's one side of the spectrum. And on the complete other side of the spectrum is glasses with a tiny bit of tech in them. Maybe a camera and a speaker and a battery and some compute. Mono screen is where. And they're transparent.

There's no screen, the absolute basic, total other side of the spectrum. Those you can actually see people putting on and wearing for half a day. an entire day. And then companies, in order to get to this future of, like, you know, the future of AR computing have to decide which part they want to start with to get to the future. And I think if you position yourself in the wrong way, you're kind of doomed and you have to start. So Vision Pro is where Apple chose to start.

They're going to eventually do glasses someday, we all suspect. These are kind of like, I mean, he's wearing them as if they're supposed to be regular glasses he's having conversations with people who's doing interviews with people wearing the glasses as if they're not a like if this is a vision pro you'd be like what are you doing so they're positioning them very clearly as a thing that you can wear and walk around and live your life because it's glass and it's AR and they're the world around you but then they look like yeah just a little too much for that yeah so they're kind of in the middle yeah they're in the middle

which is like where they want to land it's very clear in his interview he said like that almost that exact same thing we want to be in the middle I think the problem is is when you have to describe thing as wear them like glasses instead of wearing them as glasses because that's what they are. It's just proof that none of us are looking at this and thinking this is a pair of glasses. I guess my question is as a regular consumer is why do they need to announce this like very publicly? Could this not just be an email within like a community space or the targeted audience? Yeah, that's what I was about to say that again with their positioning problem.

They're saying we're going to sell these two consumers, which is a bad move. Like the HoloLens was always for enterprise and enterprise only. And selling these direct to consumer going on CNBC and be like, look at our big consumer. Like, what are you doing? Consumers are not going to buy this. $2,200 implies a lot of tech and a lot of functionality and usefulness. And I tweeted this like, there are actually two things you have to overcome. You have to overcome the price and how dorky they look.

If there are some amazing utilities or some incredible functionality or productivity things, that it does that makes you want to do that, then you're willing to go, okay, I know it looks like ridiculous, but look at this amazing functionality. Same with the price. I know it's $2,000, but like, I don't have to use a MacBook Pro anymore. It's $2,000. I don't see that with these, and maybe I'll be proven wrong. Maybe there's some development happening. Maybe there's some amazing apps that I haven't seen with these spectacles yet. But I think that's what it needs to overcome how ridiculously bad they look and how expensive they are. Yeah, we don't really even know anything about the app ecosystem or functionality yet.

So waiting to see that. We'll see that. Hopefully they send us a pair so we can look stupid for a while. I'm sure they'll love to after they hear what we just said about. At a different place in this world, we still have X-Reels, AR glasses they just launched, which are running Android X-R. So we know the ecosystem. It's the Play Store.

So it's whatever you want to do in the Play Store and all the stuff that's optimized for Android X-R that's actually pretty interesting now. like Google Maps has this cool optimized Android XR version. You can fly down into Street View and look around and then pinch and zoom and walk around. It's kind of interesting. But yeah, I did some of this. I covered these actually on the latest dope tech episode.

So if you want to watch that, there's about two or three minutes in there about these. Again, 90 grams, you know, 70-something degree field of view. Micro-Oled displays, it looks pretty good. They're high-resolution. And I think my favorite feature is you can, like, soft body lock a video in the corner of revision with you and walk around with it. So instead of having to pinch and hold and walk around carrying the video, you can

watch waveform in the corner of your vision while you actually wash dishes because you're just looking through glass. Which is exactly how I watch it anyway when I'm doing dishes. It's perfect. It's right next to the sink. That's such a simple thing. Like so many of VR AR is like how do you pin things to a spatial place that's in your actual environment?

And this is just like, just put it in my corner. and then it stays with me and I can see it. You don't need to move it around. Yeah, exactly. Which the X-Rills were cool because they can do pinning to different places in the environment. Like, it was a really neat,

I still want to call it a demo of what Android X-R was because these glasses, I also don't think are things you're walking around with every day. No, yeah. They look very similar to some previous X-Reels

where even though the shape is smaller and the weight is lighter, it still just fits really strangely off the front of your face. because it has to fit those windows. Yeah. I've always thought of these as closer to a VR headset, even though they don't look like it.

They're very much like a put a screen on your face type of thing. Sit down on a desk, an airplane, a train, get yourself a private, larger screen. They're nice on a plane. Yeah.

I think they'd be nice on a plane. Wasn't the previous version the one Ellis was like fully locked in? Yeah, because they were plug and play. Yeah. It might have been those or Enreal or something like that. A lot of them were saying, they're plug and play.

Just Xrail, but they changed it. Yeah. But when we were using Unreal is actually for the third person video that we did. I think Ellis is more locked into the meta Quest Pro for a while. But the Unreal ones were very awesome because they were super plug-in-play. You just plugged your phone in and it's there. The whole puck thing that just looks like a phone, including it essentially has a whole punch cut out on the front.

It's just very funny to me. Yeah. It's cool. That's a touch screen. You can plug that plug into something else. like your phone or actually even better, what I did was plug it in my laptop. So my laptop screen became one of the things

in the virtual space. That's cool. So that was a legitimately interesting. Like 80% of the stuff that I would do with this is just being on a plane. Like I want to go on a plane and I have to edit a video that's embargoed so nobody around me on the plane can see it.

So I would just plug it into these. The screen would go black here and it would just show up in my glasses and I could edit the video on the plane. That's smart. Stuff like that. Yeah. I still want.

about the utility of these things. I guess for that it makes sense. We're watching a movie. We didn't have a price on these yet, right? No, but they promised me that they would be under the price of a full Galaxy XR headset, which makes sense. Okay. Because that's like 1800.

I was like two Gs. Well, that's already cheaper than the Snap, the spectacles. So that the Galaxy XR is 1800, I think. So this is ideally 1799. People need to get that utility curb up there. Like, they need to figure out the utility real hard because putting these things on your face has a very high goofiness scale. It is. I do like the electrochromatic tint because the old Enreels we used to had just came with a cover that you put over at top of the glass to get the faded black background so everything popped more.

Yeah. Okay. Well, speaking of, gosh, you can do this. You can do this. Fabric. Digital fabric. Okay. Is that something I could say? Speaking of things made in the universe.

Speaking of things that matter. Hey! That's true. Honestly, thank you, Andrew. You really saved me on that one. Matter 1.6. Okay, you guys have heard me talk about matter before. I love protocols.

We love protocols here at the Wayform podcast. It's more than the Fediverse corner. Yes, expanded Fediverse corner. Yeah. Because the Fediverse is dead, so we can just like... It's not dead. This into the protocols corner. Hey, meta's tried to kill it many times.

We're still trying to kill it actively. They've stabbed it. It's bleeding openly, but it's not dead yet. Wembe's stomping on a JCL. Yeah, Wembe stomped on the Fediverse Corner JCL. Hey, hey, hey, hey, okay, matter matters. You guys might remember matter. Protocol, smart home protocol.

You probably don't like going to the store, you know, being like, oh, I like this smart bulb. It's cool, but then you see works with Amazon Alexa. I have Google Homes in my home, which we'll talk about later because Google Home is also a feature on this podcast today. Matter is supposed to be this just like, oh, it works with Google Home, it works with Amazon Alexa, it works with HomeKit. Amazing. They've stumbled quite a bit with this future.

I remember looking forward to this. Yeah. I remember having the little glimmer in my eyes. That's how all protocols start, Marcus. I'd go to Home Depot, I'd be like, someday these lights will all talk to each other. They'll all talk to each other. So the early version of Matter, basically how it worked, is that you would see. still set up in one of the Google Home apps or like the Amazon Alexa app or the Siri HomeKit app.

Yeah. But then you had to like share the device with other apps through the Matter Protocol, which used a thread border router. It was sort of like thread. Yeah, Thread, Matter Over Thread. Sort of like tacking on a bunch of like little protocols onto existing things. It was like Velcroing something to more Velcro. 100%.

100%. Situation. There are 14 protocols. We should make one that encompasses all of these. Situation. There are 15 protocols. Okay. Matter 1.6 is supposed to fix this problem. They have this new feature called joint fabric, which should allow any smart device on the network to just automatically show the device that you set up, which is a big deal. Anything? Anything.

Anything? And allegedly. Supposed to. Supposed to allegedly. Now, all these companies obviously have. to support this, this joint fabric thing. I feel like that's always the roadblock. You say that line, every...

I know. It's like, now all the companies are supposed to support this. I know. Now we have 15. But if you remember, if you remember, the entire reason that Google and Apple and Amazon decided to support matter was especially, especially Apple, they went way too hard on certifying every single home kit device and then they realized like we don't have the infrastructure to like certify every single one that's good enough for us. So it's easier if Amazon

just like makes all all these smart home things and we can utilize it. We can tap into it. We don't have to deal with any of this stuff. So Apple, I think, still has incentive. Whether Google or Amazon now still have as much incentive to a support matter similarly to how meta at one point had some incentives to support the Fediverse and now just doesn't. Yet to be seen. Yes. Boo them day. Anyway, it does bring some other benefits. There is now NFC setup, which is very good. I had a Samsung smart plug.

Congrats. It had a QR code on the back of the smart plug. Yeah. So you can't scan it while it's plugged in. Yes. It's pretty classic. That was the most, did they even test this thing I've ever seen in my life? Because it can't find it when it's not getting power.

Yeah. I have this, uh, I have this incredible. frustrating, also incredibly boring situation where I've gone through several smart locks in my garage. I have this one door. It's like really far from all the other appliances. It's far from the Wi-Fi, but it's, I just want to have a smart lock there. And every time I try to set one up, it's like, well, I have to connect to something else on the network. And I'll have like, I'll like unplug a doorbell and like walk over and like wave it to a lock. Like nothing ever really gets it to connect. And I'm just hoping that at some, someday.

One of these protocols, man, they're going to fix everything. Unclugging on doorbells sounds crazy. Yeah. Someday what are these protocols. Because I have a nest battery doorbell? Yeah, yeah. Dumbest thing ever. I still have it.

When I die on my Teamstone, I really want you to write someday one of these protocols is going to fix everything. That's all I want on my tombstone. I feel like random smart home gadgets are the most often Claire will find me just like sitting cross-legged on the floor. Just watching a YouTube tutorial. Everything okay? I'm fine. The plug's not working.

The cool thing about this new NFC setup, though, is that you can pair to the device before you even power the device on. So this problem that I have where they put the QR code on the back, that's not a problem. It won't theoretically, allegedly won't be a problem anymore.

Companies like Eve have been offering matter upgrades for a long time, and now they sell direct. They used to be like a home kit only company, but now they're doing matter, which is good for them because they can just be like, hey, we're available on everything. And then matter can be like, hey, look at our big, you know, these guys are supporting matter people. So that's nice.

So hopefully we're going to see a lot more products like that. Also, one more thing. The thread protocol of which matter, you know, because matter over thread. That's how the whole thing. Matter happening over thread. Yeah. Yeah, I've explained this to my dead grandma. She understands it.

She understands it. There's a new thread update. It's called thread direct. And it allows you because now, I think we did a short about this a while ago. there are now, there are hidden thread radios now in like new iPhones, new pixels and new, some new Samsung phones. And now you won't have to have a thread border router to set up the device because previously in order to set up a matter enabled device over thread, you had to have, well, you still have to have this, but not to set up. You had to have a Google Nest Wi-Fi

Pro, which is a thread border router, or a Apple TV, which is the thread border router, or some Alexa devices, whatever they're called. I don't even remember and now you can just set it up directly from your phone which is really helpful and you can deal with all the networking stuff later but you can at least get it set up on the thread network and then matter will work afterwards allegedly allegedly so yeah this is all extremely alleged did get announced this week we'll see how long it takes to actually get implemented please god it's one of those things where like I really hope this works but this working just means things work.

It's like, it kind of sucks that when all of this goes perfectly, there'll be no big hype around it because it just means it won't be banging my head against the wall setting up a smart one. It's like nobody appreciates the IT guy until you got a real big problem. Things are broken, yeah.

Can I get a vibe check? What percentage of your guys' homes run on smart things like this? Like if they were to just not work, could you function? Most of it. Percentage is hard because... Yeah, the percent is hard, but I do have several pretty important.

Like my doorbells are all smart doorbells. I mean, that's fine. But like if the internet goes out, I guess I don't get, like if someone rings the doorbell, I just won't. Oh, yeah. Luckily, there's something called knocking. Yeah, but if there's a doorbell,

manual doorbell. People just don't knock anymore. They just hit the doorbell, yeah. So that would be bad. I think the only thing that would screw me is the lights in my living room because that's a smart switch. Yeah.

All of my lights are on my smart home, which is a problem. Because occasionally it does glitch out, and I just can't turn my lights off. So sometimes I sleep in the bright light. Are they smart bulbs or smart switches? Smart switches. Good. Smart switches are the best, except for that issue.

Yeah. They're smart plugs, sorry. Oh, and like lamps in a smart plug? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You can still press the button on the side, right? You just have to go to it. No. All my smart plugs have a button on the side that can run or off.

The Eve ones that I have are on the side. Okay. can do it, but the Samsung one's on the back. I do have one, I have exactly one smart outlet, and every year around the holidays, the Christmas tree goes in that one, and it turns on a certain hour, turns off at a certain hour. Oh, nice. Why don't I use that for other things?

Like what? Like, uh, lamps that you don't want to put a smart bulb in. Lamps. I don't really use lamps. What? I don't think I... I'm sorry. Wait, what?

I don't think I have any lamps. This is, wait. What's the meme of like, I don't like the big lights? I just like the little lights. Yeah. You have a single lamp in your house? What? No.

What? How? To be fair, I think my lamps are plant lamps. Yeah, I don't have those. Okay. We got windows and we got a big switch. They're also, you use your, 600 Kelvin. You use your overhead lights?

You get natural sunlight? No, I don't get natural. Yeah, I live in the basement. You don't use your overhead lights. Yeah. Or just windows with no. Sometimes I just don't turn the lights on because it's bright. Yeah.

Because the sun. I would do that if I had windows. Anyway. Great. That's great. Should we? It is time for trivia. Seller dweller over here.

Snap has launched multiple things under the Snapchat umbrella. But which of these is not real? A. Snapchat Apple Watch app, self-explanatory. Snap Cash, a feature that lets users send and receive money to each other through private messaging. Yeah. Snap code, customizable way to add friends via user names. SnapTracks with an X.

mini beat machine app inside of Snapchat. That's definitely real. All right. Which one, and one of them is fake? One of them is fake. One of them is fake. Okay. And I'll think about that.

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Choose Activia. Feel good from the inside out. Visitactivia.ca for more details. What's up, welcome back. We got to talk about the Google Home Speaker that launched in the spring, but actually the summer. I don't know if you guys remember, but during the October Google Made by Google event last year,

they announced a very, very nice-looking new Google Home Speaker. It comes in basically all the same colors as the Fitbit Air, which is very nice, although half of them are exclusive to the U.S. For some reason. realize that. Yeah, the good colors are exclusive to U.S. like the berry and the, I believe, the green one are the exclusive U.S. colors.

I don't know if you're a color name. It's like jade and porcelain and stuff, but yeah. Jade, porcelain, berry, yeah. So this is effectively their first Gemini first speaker. That's the big deal. It has a glowing LED strip on the bottom that will kind of illuminate and dance when you're talking to Gemini.

And instead of being the classic, you know, Google 4 color combo, it's sort of that blue-purple look. It's supposed to have 360-degree audio. You can pair them to each other. You can, if you pair it to a Google TV streamer, you can use it for surround sound audio. They say the audio is a lot better.

But the main things, honestly, are the Gemini reasoning. Now, there's a lot more things that you can do with this, just like there are a lot more things you can do with Gemini over Google Assistant. For example, you can say, turn off all the lights except the bedside lamp, so you can make exceptions. You can say, dim the kitchen lights, play similar relaxing music, and set a 20-minute timer.

So you can chain together reasoning. That's pretty cool. Turn on the coffee maker. I mean, turn it off. You can say, I mean, and kind of interrupt it in the middle. That's great. What's the weather going to be like for the next Mets game? That's pretty cool because it understands where it is, you know, when it is.

Yeah. Currently, if you ask Google for that, it will absolutely, without question, get it wrong. Yeah. Yeah. I don't have any lamps in my house. That's a little unrealistic, Mara. Everyone has some lamps in the house. Everyone's got a lamp.

At least one lamp. And it's got to be a smart one as well. Yeah. It will leave the mic open or on for a couple of seconds after it finish, after it finishes giving you the response so that you can continue a conversation with it. Huge. Very useful. By the way, I was testing this on Siri yesterday.

I was walking over the Manhattan Bridge. And I was trying to like ask Siri some questions, but it will just give you the response. And then every time you have to say, Hey, S, again, just to continue the conversation. Really annoying. I would really like it if you just keep it going. So that's cool. Yeah, it doesn't, that's a good point.

It doesn't have a live mode. No. You can open a Gemini live chat, and it's just back and forth conversation. It's always listening. You can keep talking. You can interrupt it and ask another question. It'll keep going.

Yeah. And Siri does not have a, like, chat mode. No. They all do. No. Interesting. Yeah, they're going to need to add that, I think. Yeah.

There are 10 new voices, so you can really, you know, get very specific with the way that you want your Google Assistant Gemini to sound, you could make it Australian, you could make it Marquez as an Australian. Of course. I'm not sure if either of those are true. I think the Australian is 100%. Is Australian true? Australia is true on every single one.

I would know. I would know. If I could have Marquez as an Australian as the assistant, I would 100% pay for that. I'll do some recordings for you. Thank you. Yeah. Google is now also selling a Google Home Premium subscription starting at $10 a month. Does not give you that much.

I don't really understand why people are going to want to pay for this, but it gives you Gemini Live, which you already have on your phone again. I also don't completely understand the difference between this and the microphone just being left on and then you continuing the conversation. Google says it lets you say, hey, gee, let's chat to have free flowing chats. Yeah. So like when you have, it's kind of the same as on the phone. When you open Gemini and just ask it one question and then it gives you a response

and then maybe listens a little longer for another. Yeah. That's one thing. But when you open the like chat, the full Gemini Live thing, that's what, hey, let's chat does. Yeah. Then you can interrupt it while I was talking back to you.

You can ask unrelated questions and then ask it about previous questions. It's like this whole live. And same thing with like the chat GPT app and like others. They all have this for just like talking version. Could you not do that if you were just talking to it normally though? I don't think you can interrupt it.

I don't think it's quite the same like full-futured chat experience. Okay. Yeah. It feels more like order-based, like telling it what to do or ask specific things. Like all of those have a specific outcome. Yeah, it's like when you're planning to have a multi-response conversation with it, where you don't really know where you're going, that's when I would do the live thing. When you're just asking for one thing or two things, then you just ask it the way.

The main reason I use Gemini Live on my phone is because I want to show it something in the real world. Like if I'm having a technical issue and I'm like, this is the thing I'm having a problem with, or this is what's on my screen. Can you tell me about whatever? Yeah. I've asked it about, like, researching things that I don't know about. So I'll ask you, like, basic high-level questions and then dig in after that. So it's like, tell me about these paint colors and, like, is it bad to use these types of paint colors?

And then why is it bad to use? And then I just ask follow-up questions. But I feel like you could do that with the regular one. I probably could. Yeah. But that seems like the biggest difference. If this is behind a paywall, it just, like, you really have to add value, I would feel like. Totally.

I don't know. Other things you get with the Gemini, the Google Home Premium subscription, you get camera history search. So you can ask your speaker to describe current or recent activity captured on your nest cams. Like, hey, G, is my back gate open? Or, hey, gee, did my dog go on the couch today? I don't know why you would need to know that. That was literally one of Google's examples, by the way. It's crazy.

It's just narcan on your dog. Did the raccoons take the trash? There are home briefs, you can ask Gemini What happened in your home while you were away? If that's anything like the home briefs That it gives me in the Nest app right now It will take forever So Nest Aware, which is the paid subscription

Is becoming Google Home Premium. Yeah. So it'll be just like that. It's terrible. Yeah. So bad. Really, really long. I literally, I mean, I pay for it

Because I just want the, I've prior ranted about this before So I'm sorry, but I just want the history, the events being. labeled, which half of them are wrong anyways. Yeah. And then, like, the other, also the thing's just not good at catching things sometimes. I sent you guys all the picture of the bear walking past my front

door. It walks right past the other camera. No event capture or anything. A light breeze. But, yeah, but then every time I go to look at it, I have to go through this four-paragraph essay of like, this morning, a woman

and a girl walked out the front door, it's like, my wife and my daughter that you've seen four thousand times that are logged in there. It's just too long. And I can't imagine it's saying that out loud. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of strange.

Yeah. I have a sort of theory slash conspiracy theory. Sounds like it's a conspiracy theory. Wait. And it's more of a theory. Let me get my tin foil hat. Yeah. Okay.

Okay. I don't really think that Google wants you to buy Google Home Premium or Google Health premium or any of their like small $10. like bespoke premium feature things because they're like they just keep adding value to the Google AI Pro Google Drive subscription. Yeah. Because it comes with all this stuff. They want enough of the $10 ones to add up to making the AI thing.

Which is $20 by the way. So like it's basically like we've talked before about like price ladders and stuff like that. But I feel like this stuff would normally be free, but they're only slapping a price tag on it because they want you to pay for the AI Pro subscription, so they say they have more Gemini users so that they can keep getting investment for artificial intelligence. I'm mostly on board with that. I think they have to have a way for it to be standalone as literally your only product. Like you have a Google account and just that speaker, and you want to be able to use it

with no other anything. Then I guess you just have that one subscription. Or it could be free. Yeah. But I think they are price. it specifically to be like, well, for just a few more dollars, I could just have this whole account with all this stuff in it. Yeah.

I mean, Google AIPro comes with five terabytes of drive storage. Almost full of mine. So even if you do not care about Gemini, which is what it, you know, it's AI Pro and it comes with Gemini Pro and all these Gemini features, and it comes with Google Health Premium, and it comes with Google Home Premium. Even if you don't want any of that other stuff, regular people want the storage. Yeah. You know what I mean?

So in my opinion, like, they're only throwing price tag. on these things in order to get more AI subscribers. Yeah. Yeah. I think I buy. Yeah. I'm buying for sure. And I think that it's really smart of them to use Google Drive as the main workhorse on this.

Mm-hmm. Because that's the thing that most people, like Marquez, why are you almost filled up with your 5 terabytes of storage? Yeah, because like my Gmail of like the past 20 years of Gmail and my Google photos are at like 4.9 terabytes right now. And photos are like the thing that most people care most about. Yeah. And they take up so much space. such a long-term game for like all of these companies giving you like buy our pixel phone you'll get it for free i mean never mind yeah remember unlimited high definition storage technically if you upload the photos from the pixel

one you still get unlimited storage through it but for how long still still still no damn well i'm not still using a pixel well people have been buying them on eBay though and like if you transfer anything from your pixel from any phone to the pixel and then upload from the pixel it doesn't count against your storage. If you're from Google, stop listening right now. It takes a lot of work. I can make an AI swap all that. If I just get Google AI Pro. Yeah. Just tell Gemini Spark to do it. Then we're good. Anyway, they cost $99, which is the same price of the HomePod Mini. So I think that's kind of the market they're going after. If you'll remember, the Google Nest Hub Mini, they used to just throw through your window when you

weren't looking. So this one, it seems like they think people might actually spend money on. They do look very nice. It is. The original Google Home was $1.29, right? Yes. I still have one that's kicking. But yeah, these could be, oh, man, $99 feels expensive. The Nest Hub Mini was like $30, but it was competing with the Echo Dot, which was also $30.

And the sound quality was terrible. It'd be in like zero boxes. If these were 70, yeah, no, really would. Every time you would buy any contract of Internet, whatever, it's like $100 of Google. And I would just be like. And a Google Home minis. During this time, I moved so many times, like three or four times. And every time I set up a new internet, they would just send me another one.

Dude, so I had like four. Black Friday, literally anything you bought came with the Google Home Mini. The receipts printed on. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway. One lamp for Google Home Mini is all trying to turn it on. Huh?

Huh? Huh? Huh? Anyway, so it got announced today, if you're listening to this, it was two days ago on Wednesday. But they said during the, I mean, they said during the main thing, by Google event last October. It would be out in spring. Technically, it is still spring.

If you're listening to this for two more days, it comes out on the 25th, which is technically the summer. So it's up to you whether or not you think that they actually made that margin or not. And how much that means to you. And how much that means to you. We're just trying to keep them accountable over here.

Yeah. So yeah, we should be getting review units pretty soon, so we'll be able to let you guys know what's up. Stay tuned. Stay tuned. If you were curious, home pods still crap. Yeah. Speaking of Google.

Speaking of Google. Can I jump in here? Yeah. Google Android 17 is out. And it's the greatest Android release of all time. Wow. I'm calling it now. Oh.

Wow. At a glance is fucking gone. I removed it this morning and the weight off my shoulders is freeing. I am a free man. For those who don't know. At a glance is Sianara. So this was the widget that was permanently on every pixel's homepage. for the past decade or so?

How long has that been? Pretty long. It feels like a decade. At least four or five years. Yeah. And you could just just, did anything crazy happen? Any fireworks show up or you just like removed it

and it just went away and that was it? I was like looking through all the changes and then I forgot like, wait, the first thing I was excited about this beta as ago was at a glance and I clicked it thinking there's, yeah, yeah, I clicked it being like it might still not be there.

and I saw that removed from screen and I raised both my hands in the air and Adam was like, what's going on? I was like, she gone. This is life changing. What are you going to do with all that space? You're going to put icons up there? No, I'm going to leave it as space

because it's sort of always wanted it to be. Maybe now actually I can move my clock to where my clock used to always be at the top and kind of spanning across it and I couldn't do that because of at a glance. Yep. So now I have it in this weird bottom corner, but... My clock can be anywhere I wanted to be.

It can just be free space. As someone who likes just a clue, Clean background. See a little bit of wallpaper. I don't need to have, yeah, the same, the date that's already on the screen somewhere else. As we've said before, poor use of space. Poor use of space. But there are a lot of other updates.

I know they're not as important. No, no. That's the headliner. There's some other. Nearly as important. We got a new floating bubble window thing. Android has tried to do bubbles many times. This one is kind of tailored specifically at foldables.

They're on regular Android phones as well. But you can now make any app a bubble, so it kind of just floats above your other apps. And if you are on a large screen device, which is like a tablet or a foldable phone, which because Android is really lenient foldables, you now have a bubble bar. And I do like that set of words together. You want to see it. It can do up to four apps. And then once you do it, it'll start knocking off the oldest one.

But the coolest part, oh, sorry, I didn't show Marquez. C4 and other floating windows. The coolest part is when you drag it around. It just has this cool animation. It's like the Windows XP when it would freeze. Physics based too. Like if you go slow, they all go slow. But if you go fast, they all go really fast.

Has this been built into like third-party skins on Andrew? Because I feel like this isn't new. There's singular chat bubbles. Chat bubbles are not doing. They were only for messaging apps. Right. Yeah. Even so this, this is any app.

Yeah. Not any app, but most apps. I have a couple of random ones that won't do it. Interesting. The Hyper-Ice one doesn't do it. That's weird. Which doesn't really. Maybe it's an API.

It's probably. There's some smaller ones like a weather app I have that doesn't. Oh, no, that one does. But yeah. Weird. Yeah. So yeah, there's a bubble bar if you have a foldable phone where it will just kind of be docked in the lower right corner.

I feel like this is going to look kind of weird on Android sometimes because now, doesn't Android 16? Didn't that introduce the dock on the foldable phones? At the bottom, yeah. So now if you've got a dock of regular apps and a bubble. bar of other apps. But the bottom dock hides. Oh, it hides.

Bubble bar. Yeah. Okay. If it hides, like, does a bubble bar hide? No. It just stays. It stays. You put it wherever you want.

Bubble bar. But I find it useful because, for example, if you're like, I don't know, if you're watching an NBA sports game like myself. Oh my God. And then you're texting with your friends, right? You can quickly pull up the group chat, hit the group chat. Say, Wemby is. Freaking not getting those fouls.

Those refs are not calling those fouls. Tell them. Trying to break those ACLs. Nah. Nah. It actually like when you've got four apps, it almost becomes this like quick switch. Because it takes up 80% of the screen. Yeah.

And then you can swap between the apps pretty easily. What four apps are you swapping between? Discord. Do it. Yeah. Discord. Slack. Reddit. I'm watching how many times Evan Spiegel looks stupid with those glasses.

You could say that this is like a. sort of a minimal phone launcher in a way. If you just keep the bubble bar open, bubble bar. Then you just have those four apps these. Would you say having four apps open simultaneously is a minimal phone feature? As long as they're non-social media apps.

I don't know. Something like that. All right, there's other features too. There's other features too. So we're going to say, oh yes, there's a foldable gaming mode. So now if you have a holdable phone, you open it up, it splits the screen in half.

So half of it is the game and half of it's a virtual game pad, which actually has a skin on it and doesn't just look like dumb. Gamers can afford this. Now you can. If you're a gamer, you cannot afford this. I'm glad to tell you that if you're a gamer, you can now afford this.

If you can afford a folding. If you have a 2000 bad for them. Which maybe you can't afford this. So that's kind of cool. I still think that the adaptable game pads and also just Bluetooth ones are way better because I hate slamming my fingies against the screen. I really hate doing that.

I've tried multiple times. It's not fun. It's uncomfortable. Yeah, but it makes for a good marketing ploy. It does. Like there's something about a folding screen with a fake game pad that makes you go like, that 3DS is sick. I mean that pixel fold.

Yeah, yeah, true. Okay, there is, now you can grant apps temporary location access, which is goods, because before it was just like permanent location access or no location access. And you can only share specific contacts instead of your entire address book. So if you really don't want apps to know all the stuff, about you all the time. You have a little bit more control. There's now a new Mark as Lost feature in Find Hub, which is sort of their Find My kind of portal thing for your phone, where you can lock the phone so you can only unlock it with biometrics. And they said the reason

was because if the thief knows your passcode, which is the entire point of a passcode. So I'm not really sure why the thief would know your past code. Maybe they did. You can make it so they can only unlock it if they're using a biometric login. So I guess that's kind of easy. What if he has your finger? Yeah, then you're kind of screwed. Maybe they need blood flow. Did they even test this? Yeah, it was kind of like when they came out with the face unlock

and people were just unlocking their spouse's phones while they were sleeping. Anyway, you can also hide app names on home screen. Yes. I have a request. Yes. I really want, I don't know. None of you guys use folders on your docks, right? I do know.

Okay. No. Do you know how like you can name the folder? No, not a psycho. Your dock? Oh, wait, we've done this before. We've done this. So in the dock, it doesn't show app names anyways.

Yeah. But inside a folder, you name folders and it shows up on the bottom, right? Like. I mean, mine shows up on top, but yeah, same thing. Okay. I don't want it to say anything. Yeah. But if you do nothing, it still poor use of space.

It uses something. So you have to put a space in. But every time I open the folder, I can accidentally click that and then it brings the keyboard up, which I ain't trying to do. Just let me not name it. So give me hidden folder names. I'll text my show. So please, thank you.

That would be, I would, that would be life-changing. I'll text Michelle. I already lost my place because I was mad about that. No, you're good. It was, oh yeah, and then there's, okay, there's a new resize bar and split screen that gives you arrows so you can kind of tick it up in, you know, like if you want to go like 70-30, it'll help it do that in steps instead.

Nice. I thought that was really cool. That's useful. I love this one. Separate Wi-Fi and mobile data tabs in quick settings. Oh, wow. So good. I feel like they used to have that.

I know. All these things I'm excited about just were what it used to be. Yeah. But it was so annoying to if you wanted to disable Wi-Fi for only mobile data to have to click into. One of the worst changes they ever made. The first two things I did when I downloaded it this morning was fuck at a glance and get mobile data as a separate quick setting. Yeah, that's nice. It feels so good.

Yeah. There's a new screen recorder. There's just a lot of UI updates with this that, um, The quick setting now it kind of brings up a bubble that is the screen recorder rather than leaving you in quick settings as you leave with a couple different options. It now defaults back to entire screen instead of singular app, which I think most people want to do. There's new toggles for recording audio from device and microphone. There's separate toggles, which is really nice. You can change settings during the recording.

And like if you want to enable taps halfway through your recording, you can go in and enable show taps. That's nice. And when you're done recording, there's just a new screen that lets you click edit, which will bring you into photos that it is already. Or you can just delete the video straight up there if you decide you don't like it anymore. Oh, cool. Which is nice. Nice. We just talked about Apple parental changes last week.

There's some new ones for Android as well. A lot of them are very similar. Yeah. You can set screen amount time per day. You can create downtime schedules so it can lock a children's device at night. There are app store filters based on content ratings. If, you know, like mature everyone, all those, it kind of has a list of those. You can limit time on specific apps or block apps entirely.

And then through Family Link, you can do things that we just saw at the dub, like school time app approvals and approved contacts. All great. Okay. I think that's kind of my list of things that got me excited. I thought it was really crazy that Michelle, someone we've talked about as like a Google leaker or just a reporter for so long, just straight up has a mega thread on Android right now and saying like, these are the changes we made.

It's like, oh, okay. That's pretty awesome. You're at Google now, but he has a mega thread on the R Android Reddit that says everything. And I also watched a really good video from in-depth tech reviews of all the little visual changes. I mean, things he was catching were like, this pop-up now has an X to close out of it. And I did it before, and he's showing 16 and 17 next to each other. Or like monochrome theme mode, now all the darkers are like more dark. Things I would never guess. But just shout out to them. I enjoyed recap. all of that this morning because I was too busy stomping on at a glance's grave. Like parade around the house being like, it's going, it's going, it's going. It's going. Lane's like, I don't know what you're talking about. All right. I got one more thing I want to share.

It's actually a video I want to play for you guys, but I'm just going to play the audio and I want to get your reaction to it. Okay. This sound you're about to hear is from the all-new 27 Porsche Taikan, which has added E-shift. They are the newest electric car company to add fake gear shifts when you paddle shift. So it's like an eight-speed simulated gears. The Ta-Can already made sounds, but now this is what your Ta-Can will sound like in 2027. That's a non-car person that does nothing to do it.

I don't get it. I'm not against it. Do you guys, when you drive a quiet car, this is such a specific question, but why are we, maybe this is just a sign of the times why are we emulating gas car things it seems insulting to emulate a gas car with such an obviously fake sound when it's obviously electric like it doesn't have the same emotion as a gas car doesn't have the vibrations of a gas car like is this does it not give you vibrations no not really not really i think it could be like why not own it.

You can, and the Tican kind of did this before. I still never know if I'm pronouncing that right, by the way. So someone light me up in the comments. Thanks for the engagement. The, like, didn't they have different sounds? Just make fun sounds. You can do whatever you want and your choice is old gas car. Yeah, they have sound before.

It was very like spaceshipy. Famously, actually, the Tikan is one of the loudest electric cars on the outside. I can hear Tikans driving around my neighborhood because they just have this this like sound that they play on the outside. And it's fine. But they're never trying to sound like a gas car specifically. You might remember we had the Ionic 5N here that did this, or we had that the electric Dodge Charger here.

It didn't do the gear shifts, but it had a gas car emulating speaker sound. And my theory is that this is very much going to be a sign of the time specifically when electric cars are not really popular yet. But car companies are trying to make them as familiar as possible to people who like gas cars by emulating gas cars. And this is one of the things that they're doing is like, oh, yeah, you can fake gear shift. And it kind of sounds like your gas car, even though it's obviously not a gas car. The people that want it to, I have nothing against the sound of gas cars. I understand.

But that usually is like there's something involved in all of that. That's like a piece of machinery making that. to emulate it, that people who like that piece of machinery don't want just the sound. They want the whole orchestra playing of everything. And like, I just, I also think we're far enough at EVs that we don't need to bring people over by being like, look, it sounds like your car.

I think there's so many other, I don't. I think they feel like they have to just because they're not flying off. They're not flying off the shelves. Like they're trying to like find new ways to bring to make them. Because there's lots of other, I almost made an autofocus video about this, but there's lots of other features. that EV manufacturers will add that are specifically to mimic people who are,

this is their first electric car. So when you take your foot off the accelerator pedal and it coasts instead of re-genning, that's to mimic a gas car. When you're sitting at a stoplight and you take your foot off the brake and your car starts to creep forward, that is a gas car thing.

It doesn't have to happen in an electric car, but they will add torque and actually start to roll you forward to mimic a gas car. Why would they do that? Because that's what people are familiar with. They're taking away the good thing that electric cars had to cars.

I will say the coasting off the brake, like when you go from a gas car or your first time in an EV car, you feel like a new driver because you're just like, like, jerking forward and back getting used to it. I think, like, that was the thing that I thought Tesla did really well

is they just threw all that stuff out. Like back in the day, they were like, yeah, there's regent. Get used to it. It's more efficient, and it adds range. It adds range. It's better, one pedal driving

instead of two pedals. You almost never use your friction brakes. Yeah, it's awesome. And it doesn't, it has creeds. mode but like that's off by default and there's no power button in the car yeah you just get in and it's on yeah like all these cars now have like a on button even though it's just like it's an iPad like you just get in and it's on so they're we go in the complete other direction

if they're going to do these sounds I want to clutch I want a manual face pedal go all in this is pretty close to all in this is paddle shifting there's no third pedal but like it's not the same I mean does someone have a redline it and lose clut Lund lose torque. Does anyone have a fake clutch? Yeah. I don't think so. You could do a e-clutch.

I don't know. Don't give them ideas. How would you do that? Can go all in. At that point, you're just, why even, I mean, all of these are why even? Every single. Why are you buying an electric car in the first place?

If you want a clutch. That's true. If we want a clutch, we already have Jalen Brunson, so. Oh. Oh, okay. You mean cats. Oh, G. Oh, G.

I do feel like all the EVs are basically like, right now the selling point is, this will totally drive itself, or like, this makes fake gas noises. It's just like, what if they just drive well and last like a pretty long time? I think we should just need to educate people on the fact that all of these EV features are good for your life and they're enjoyable to use. Yeah. And I think they're my, my, the way I've described it has always been that there are certain types of cars that are best to go electric. Because when you make a car electric, what happens?

It gets bigger. It gets heavier, more expensive, but also. get smoother and torqueier and more powerful and quieter than ever. Okay, so then any car that is already big and heavy and you want to be smooth and quiet, it's perfect. Yeah. Escalade. SUVs.

Big sedans. Like all those, when they went electric, it was the best version of that car that had ever been made. Although, isn't the escalate, isn't the whole thing with the escalade that it's super freaking loud? No, that's just the escalade v specifically. But the escalades you see in Manhattan that are all like Uber blacks. Yeah. It's like the best escalate ever now is the, right. That's just like, this is a Yukon, but I can charge way more money for putting people in the back of it.

Yeah. So sports cars are the worst possible car to go electric. You know that? I feel like that's what people would want. Well, it's a, it's a really good method of propulsion, and I'm getting into the easy rate, but like it's, you get all your torque right away. It's like very quick in a straight line, and a lot of the world records for acceleration are bielectric cars. But people want a lightweight sports car. They want an engagement. They want a small sports car. And none of these things are really the upside of electric cars. Yeah.

So, yeah. They're trying stuff like fake gearships. Yeah. Just as someone who doesn't really care about cars that much, but obviously, like, the look of a Porsche is still very, very nice looking. I would love a Porsche electric car. Yeah. This will convince the non-zero number of people to get a Tycan.

And we'll see how it goes. We'll see how that goes. Yeah. Probably one. Yeah. Well, it looks better than the Ferrari. So that's all we got to say. By the way, I had a question that I meant to ask on our Ferrari episode when we talked about the, what is it called?

Lice. Do you know why they called it the Luce? Nobody explained this. Yeah, it's Italian for, let me join this one. They said, light? No. I believe so. Light, yes, correct.

Amatai. What about the light? I mean, sorry. Light. Wait, isn't it heavier, though, because it's an eerie? Oh. That's actually kind of a pun. I don't know if you're joking or not,

but I think they mean like lights. They had this very... The light of God. There's like a very marketing of like they're doing it because this is like the light. Actually, didn't they say the light at the end of the tunnel of where we're going to, but light at the end of the tunnel

is usually what you see before you die, which was a really funny thing after launching the worst-looking Ferrari ever. Yeah, I think it was more of just a... Like, lights are electric. Like, this is. the electrical thing. I can see like an Italian, it meaning light.

I can see that just being a cool name. But I just wanted to know. Because it sounded more like a loutador, you know, and I was like, if you've looked back at other Ferrari names, I mean, they're an Italian company and they have extremely Italian names for all their models. Okay.

They recently came out with a 12-cy-cylinder car, and so they named it the Doddachi-Sylindri. That's the name of the car. It's the 12-cylinder. Yeah. So. The Yuris. That's Lamborghini.

I mean, that's also Italian, but yeah. The Amalfi. They just said the light towards the future and innovation. The Amalfi is not end of the time. It makes sense. True. Yeah, what does Yuris mean? Udus?

I have no idea. What about the Toyota Yaris? Speaking of things that start with a T, T. Trivia. What else started with the T? Tesla. Oh, I thought that was an actual time.

Time out. I thought you needed. Toyota. Toyota. Timerario. I take time out. Tim Cook. What's up, gamers?

What's up? Mariah's here, by the way. Tyca. I'm enjoying your guys' symmetrical shirt. The green? I wish I got the green memo. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, that's cool. The question that I definitely totally wrote for you today is, code names used to be a whole thing with Android, but it's kind of fell by the wayside. Still, the code name of Android 17 was what? Thank you.

I don't know. I don't think I know. I don't either. This is great. Bubble bar. We're all over to find out together. Oh, yeah. Can you say bubble bar for me real quick?

Bubble bar. That's nice. All right. Well, we'll learn something new then. Answers will be at the end. We'll be right back. Hey, y'all. It's Kelly Clarkson with Wayfair.

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All right, welcome back. to quickly talk about the UK social media ban because we got tagged a lot of on a lot of places to ask about this but we live in the US so I don't have too much to say about it so I quickly wrote down what I saw we'll get a couple thoughts but okay children under the age of 16 will be banned from using social media platforms like TikTok YouTube Instagram Facebook and X I believe this is supposed to be happening by next spring messaging apps like WhatsApp and Signal are not part of that. There will be doing possibly curfews for children under 18 that would require breaks at nighttime to stop infinite scrolling. Ways to prevent children, there will hopefully also,

or in their eyes, hopefully be ways to prevent children under 16 from talking to people on online games. And the UK said in a statement that the policy will go further than any other country in restricting children's time online. One of the reasons they said this was because they claim big tech has had multiple opportunities to try and protect children, but they have failed. So that's why they're taking this on. I mean, yeah. They're not wrong on that. Yeah.

It's just generally when we see stuff like this, the problem is, is a lot of government officials just don't really understand the internet. Yeah. So we have two separate forms of people that understand completely different things. We have capitalists who want to make as much money as possible. I don't care how old you are. I don't care what you do. long as you spend time on app, I make money. That's never going to be for us.

Andrew Manginelli, 2026. And then you have government officials who are attempting to protect, but generally probably pretty ignorant about all of this. 86 years old. Yeah. Yeah. I have so many thoughts about this. This is always a very nuanced topic.

Anytime you bring kids into the equation, it's always such a nuanced topic because it's like, obviously we want to protect the kids. Obviously, there's a lot of cyberbullying. Obviously, there's a lot of bad. stuff that kids can get into online and that predators can, you know, access children easily and whatever. That's all bad. But like, yeah, and I know.

And it's really hard to have this conversation without people screaming at you because it's very, very nuanced. But, and we were having this conversation a little bit off the show, but why is YouTube included here? Yeah. I, I'm maybe biased. I started, I started on YouTube when I was 15. But YouTube was a very different place back then.

Yes. Yeah. And social media was a very different place back then. And we mentioned like the infinite scrolling thing, which is I think mostly what this gets at, which is like the addictiveness of a lot of these platforms and how much time it makes people spend online. Yeah. So that makes a lot of sense. My angle though on YouTube is like, okay, YouTube, does that mean you just straight up can't access YouTube if you're under the age of 16 and they have to add some sort of a paywall?

Or does that just mean you can't have an account? in which case you're logged out and will get recommended way more insane shit. Exactly what Hank Green said and I thought it was a really obvious take. It's like, yeah, you won't be able to make an account, but you can probably still log on to just YouTube with no account, watch things and now the recommendations are all over the place. You actually will lose restrictions that people could possibly put on it. Yeah, yeah.

Well, sorry. Regionally, could they make that an option where you have to have an account if you would have to log in? Yeah, they could do that. They could force that. Possibly. It's all a big question. Yeah, I don't know.

I mean, you know the movie Backrooms that came out recently? I have not seen it. I only know about it because of you guys. I haven't seen it, but the director is 20 years old, and he made his first short when he was 17. And all of that came from like a creepy pasta that he like read online and was part of a community of people that were contributing to these horror stories. And that to me is a representation of the value that the internet and social media has brought to youth these days. where they have so much access to creativity and learning at a very young age, right? Like when we were kids, Google was like so new.

And the idea of going on a forum and like finding answers to things was brand new. And so the speed at which we could learn at was very walled off by our access, our ability to access information. And the two-sided coin, the like two-sided two-face of this. The double-edged sword of all of this is like, yes, the benefit of infinite information is infinite information, and you can get young, young, young people creating, like, amazing things because their brains are sponges and they soak up information way faster than us 30-year-olds do. On the other side of that coin, unlimited information and unlimited all types of information. It's not learning, it's not all-educational. A lot of it's really bad.

A lot of it's porn. And a lot of it is just like things that kids with brains that are not good at tuning and like filtering out what's good content versus bad content and what their dopamine receptors respond to. That's what makes all of these incredibly complex topics. Yeah. I always like to advocate for like some sort of built into education like internet literacy. I kind of remember a little of that when I was growing up like learning how to Google things. I don't remember what age it was or what class it was, but like explaining if you. put no colon, then you could like, oh, right, exclude words from like your Google search, where if you put them in quotes, then it will have to appear in that order and stuff like that,

like how to search Google and then filter through your results and find primary sources versus secondary sources, all of that when I'm writing a paper. I had to learn all of that. And I wonder, because I'm not in school and I don't have a kid, like, how's that going? Are people, is it just out of control? Like there's AI. There's all sorts of changes in the way that you find information on the internet and it's just like how do we teach kids how to navigate the internet maybe it's too hard we just ban social media until they turn 16 maybe that's the solution feels kind of heavy-handed to me but again I don't have a kid so I don't know it's I feel like all of us here can probably talk about our own success stories as being children of the internet and what we did back then but

like you said it is so much different like in my high school years with how like overly conscious I was of thinking everyone was always thinking like I can't imagine that day and age now with social media where we're all posting stuff and we're all commenting on people's things I could text like two people after 8 p.m because that's when I didn't have to pay for text messages now anyone can make comments and group chats and everything so it's a it's an age that I don't understand quite as well I don't know if this is exactly how to do it yeah I'm glad people are trying to find it, but it really feels like most of this is on, if you're on the companies, but I do also like these things like we just saw from Apple and Google of like enhanced parental controls so the parents

can make individual choices for their kids. It's a little more nuanced. Yeah. I was just going to say, I don't think that everyone is dreaming for legislation for this, but the companies didn't rise to the occasion. No one. So this is the only solution. It reminds me of when we, when the UK was like USB Type C, iPhone, do it now.

Wow. And we're like. Remember the EU. Sorry, the EU. Thank you. Because the UK is. Yes. So the EU, and this was like, okay, this one piece of legislation makes sense here, and it's going to advance it.

And there's no downsides here. So obviously it feels heavy-handed, but it's actually going to work, and we all benefit from it. But, yeah, this is, there's so many different factors in the way people engage with the Internet and all the different parts of the Internet that, you know, it's possible that this feels like the most complete or safe solution. to the UK, but it is just the UK. I think they need to just enforce like just like the EU forced USBC, they forced

removable batteries and a lot of devices. They need to force insanely powerful parental controls and they need to educate people on that. Because I agree, a 13 year old should absolutely not be on X.com. 100%. I don't think a 30 year old should not be

on X.com. There's so much stuff on there you should not be looking at. And I don't know. I just, it kind of feels to me like stopping access at an individual level is a much smarter way to control this kind of stuff. Because also, a lot of the time when governments institute large sweeping bans on things, they always use kids as like a fake agenda and slip a bunch of like privacy nightmare stuff underneath it. I don't know if that's the case with this one, but it happens a lot. Yeah, I don't know UK governance very well, but I would not trust. US regulating any of this.

Yeah. I will also say on YouTube, there's, I just, maybe I'm YouTube pilled, but there's so much good stuff. I know. Like, I remember in high school, like, feeling like I'm falling behind on a class and then looking up on YouTube and finding

Sal and watching him teach me the same stuff that the teacher couldn't and actually learning and catching back up in class. That was YouTube. Mine was, I'm falling behind in class. I'm not going to pass it anyways. I might as well watch some stuff on YouTube. That's the other half of YouTube. There's got to be some sort of,

You gotta have it all. You gotta have it all. And this is why I use the backroom's example, because like that kid could not have made that short that got $8 million views or no, 80 million views. And then, you know, made a movie with a major studio that made just as much money as a Star Wars movie. You know, that just couldn't have happened.

Also, he did a bunch of like 3D modeling and effects. I guarantee you he learned all of those skills on YouTube. Yep, tutorials. That's how I started. All the tutorial videos you watch. And he was 17 when he put the, when he put his first short out. So he wouldn't have been able to learn those skills

when he was 16. You know what I mean? So, I don't know. It's tough. It's just tough because for every success story, there's also the story of someone getting abducted or someone being groomed or someone thinking about self-harm from all these things. So there are all of those things out there.

For sure. We're not trying to diminish that. No. I do think YouTube is the one example of like maybe it's less of that because it's less of a personal unless you are physically uploading a lot of videos. It's much less so. then Facebook, Instagram where you're like, this is all of my life.

But this is also why every time we talk about social media, I weirdly don't think of YouTube as the same social media as Instagram X. They feel like personal pages. Yeah. Maybe ban uploading to YouTube before a certain age. That is probably good. I would agree with that.

Because every time I see like a video from a kid that gets uploaded and everyone comments like, yeah, this is awesome, good. I don't really like this. I don't want to be... It's supposed to auto-detect when there's a kid and it doesn't allow comments or something. All these things are supposed to happen

when it auto-detects that it's a child account, but that it doesn't always work either. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, speaking of bands, bands. Last week, we talked about how Anthropic

released the model that they said was too dangerous to release. Classic. So, they did that for a hot two days, maybe three. and then sort of out of nowhere, it got banned by the U.S. government. So this is very funny in a way because Dario has constantly just been like, regulate us, regulate us, regulate us, and then they regulated them.

And then they're like, ah. So there's that. However, as usual, the way that the U.S. government went about banning this was extremely short notice and something that there was just no way that they could possibly fix. because the administration's problem with it was that they didn't want foreign nationals including anthropic employees to be able to access the model.

In the U.S. or outside the U.S. Essentially, if you're foreign, we don't want you to use it. Which is just... Not I wish I was kidding. Just classic. How don't even enforce that? You can't. And this is why they turned the model off.

They had to turn the model completely off because they thought that was the only way they could actually do that. Yeah. And it seems like the reasoning behind it is because of some concerns of essentially jailbreaking it, which would bypass a bunch of the different restrictions and things they had on it because it kept finding potential cybersecurity risks

and all that. So they're trying to avoid all of that. There were a lot of funny memes around Mythos because they specifically, like, or sorry, not Mythos, Fabel 5 is a distill, it's a cut down version of Mythos with more restrictions guardrails. Wait, can I say something really fast? Sure. That's not really, everyone kept talking about Fabal 5 and I thought a new version of table the game came out because it was all all of the things I saw of it were like 3D renders and stuff

I was like oh I remember that game and then I realized how wrong I was okay well the one of the major restrictions on fable 5 over mythos was that you can't talk about biology obviously they were doing this because they didn't want people to make weapons like bio weapons and stuff but there were a lot of funny memes where someone was like my dog is not feeling well what should I do? And it's just like you've been reported to the head of the FBI. Anyway, funny. There's a, you know, there are AI reporters that are way better at handling these detailed things. Hayden Field over at the Verge did a really amazing article about this called Inside the fight over Claude Mythos 5. You should definitely go read that. Very complex. It seems that they

have been going to Washington, trying to work with the U.S. government, and try to figure out a way to find a path forward. They went last week. They did not find a path forward. So, yeah, in the next few days, I guess we'll see if they can. Yeah, it was still banned at the time of recording. Yeah. Apparently, it was tipped off to the U.S. government by some Amazon researchers, which is... I think at AWS. At AWS, which is both ironic and interesting at the same time because Amazon is a major investor in Anthropic.

Oh, okay. But also, you know, didn't foil hat time. Amazon could have some high incentive to make it so. mythos could only be accessed through AWS and they could go to the government and say, anyway, I don't want to throw, I don't want to throw, I don't want to throw conspiracy theater. Like as if they're scared of cybersecurity attacks, AWS would be a major target and they don't want.

Yeah, probably that too. Also, Andrew, you're not crazy. There was actually a fable gameplay demo that came out last week. Was there really? Yeah, because someone else told me about it. So you're not. Is it fable five? If it was also five, that would be.

I think it's really funny. It might have been. Whatever the newest one is, I don't know. By the way, I haven't paid attention. Nobody really knows why Anthropic called this Fable 5, because it's the first fable model, but they called it 5. I've given up on guessing AI model. Since nanobanana, I don't care about any of what they're called.

People AI Pro powered by personal intelligence. Yeah. So, anyway, as of time of recording, that is still banned, we'll see if that changes in the coming days. Yeah. So that's about it for the news this week. So now we're going to do the thing that we always do at the end. Which is give me trivia points.

We don't always do that, unfortunately. Quick update on the score. Marquez with 28, Andrew with 26, and David with 31. Question one. Snap has launched multiple things under the Snapchat umbrella, but which of these is not real? A, Snapchat Apple Watch app. B, snap cash.

C, snap code, or D. Snaptracks with an X, of course, because it's tech. Did we all assume he meant with an X when he said it out loud? I thought of it 100%. What does it do again? Beatmaker. It is a mini beat machine app inside of Snapchat. Alleged.

I thought it tracked you. Oh, it does. That is the thing in Snapchat. It does. Find my, no. What is it called? Snap Maps. Is it Snap Maps?

Yeah. Flip him and read. What do you got? We all said the same thing. He also the Apple Watch app. Yeah. Incorrect. There is a Snapchat Apple Watch app.

What does it do? No idea. Was it tracks? It was Snapchx. Was it really? I wrote tracks and crossed it out. Man. Interesting.

Wow. Does it just, do the Apple Watch app just allow you to like remotely shutter? Is that what it was for? That seems like the only thing it could possibly do. According to Google AI overview. It is an official watchOS application designed to supplement messaging on the go. I bought Claire a pair of crocs from Mother's Day, and they're too small. So I wanted to return them, but she didn't tell me they were too small until like way too late.

She's too nervous. So I went on AI overview and went, what's the crock return policy? And I said 45 days. So I'm trying to return them and nothing's coming up to return them. So I get on the chat and I'm constantly just telling this guy. There's just no, it's like, that's because our window's 30 days. It's past 30 days. And then I just closed the chat because I was so embarrassed.

went to the overview where it said 45 days again, click the link, and the link just brings you to a page that says 30 days on. What? It's just made it up. It's so funny that it constantly sources its incorrect information. Yeah. Source, I made it up. Source is up.

It's just a page that says, trust me, bro. Trust me, bro. That's Google's new tagline. We need internet literacy. I would like to teach an internet literacy class. Please. What if we made one? like a high school level, like, here's how to navigate the internet.

We should make one for the studio channel. Yeah. I feel like you could like volunteer at a library and do that. But if we make one for YouTube, people into UK under 16 wouldn't be able to watch it in the spring. I feel like you have to teach it physical class, like in person. Be like everybody go to Google.com. All right. And ask you a question.

All right. See how you got an AI overview? All right. Here's what we're going to do. Scroll down. Anyway, okay. Go to Wikipedia. So the second question is

Code names used to be used For Android Code names used to be used a whole How did you word this? Sorry, I'm having a stroke It's too warm in here Cod names are a thing with Android But they're not really as popular, I guess, anymore

And This is me abbreviating Okay, what is the code name What is the code name of Android 17? Please God, somebody tell me Meat hook I want you to come in and summarize every question I don't even know

I don't know 16 even Is it a dessert still? Yeah It probably is Some think of Okay It's all stereotypical What letter would it be so

It would be Q right? No we already We passed you a long time ago Oh then they didn't go alphabetically No they did Oh yeah because there's I don't even know what we're on I don't even know where we are

David that's spelling is insane. All right, what do you got, David? Can you read that for me? Can you, no, read what you wrote. Letters. Spell it. Spell it.

Why are you trying to bubble game embarrass me right now? T-I-R-R-E-I-M-W-E-I-M-W-E-M-E-M-E-M-E-U. Tier-M-M-S-U. That cannot be how it's... It's not. You know, I don't even know if I can spell it right, but I know. Look, it's a friend. word you could be spelled anyway i like the spirit but that's not it is it french

yeah tiramisu is 100% French Andrew why did you put that I put jello I was thinking what what about jelly bean do you remember jelly bean is jello a jelly bean is jello a jelly bean like no jelly bean I thought we were on tea that's why I did tiara masu but I think that was 16 was tiermasu and newgut oh noogu was a long ass time ago and then Oreo if we're on 17 Q is the 17th he was high alphabet right Q was Q was Q Q yeah Q R. R was red velvet cake. S.

Wait, are we on red velvet cake? Maybe it's S. What do you have my... Strudle? It's strudal. I have mythos. I just made up the name. It's strudel, right?

Yeah. Wait, can you tell us the first letter? Okay, did spell it? You're not gonna like it. Well, is it S or T? It's C. It's C? What?

I'm not even in order anymore. There's no shodder. Wait, wait, wait, can we all guess? Can we have each one more guess with C? Yes. That's a great guess. What is it with C? I don't know.

What do you think? Okay, it's a district that starts a C. It's not, we had cupcake like a decade ago. I'm going with Cupcake 2. Cupcake 2, electric boom. Chucky milk. Cupcake 2 code name. Why did they do this?

Could I complain to Michelle? I'm texting about so many things today. Bug Report. Michelle's going to watch this episode and be like, I'm never talking to you again. No, he'll be mad about this too. Code name for Android 17. Cremblele. Those are both so much better than mine.

I bet Cremblele. I like where your heads up. Damn. Mark, I can go first. I wrote Crate. That's also a good one. I just wrote cookie. I've been watching too much Sesame Street with Lane.

Cookie. What is it? Any other final. Cupcake chocolate. Cupcake three. Cupcake three. Cupcake four. It's apparently called.

It's cinnamon bun. Cinnamon bun. I'm not even that upset. Why did they do that? It has nothing to do with the old naming. I like cinnamon mons too, but what? Sure. What do they have to do with 17?

How? Is it 17 and we're all the way through the alphabet already? No. They just just got rid of the official names. But then they kept going with the code names underneath. Yeah, but what did the first, what was the first one? Well, Alpha, Beta, whatever, didn't really have names. Cupcake, Donut, Eclare, Froyo, Gingerbread.

One was my first. One was Cupcake. No, well, three was like three-ed-out something. Yeah. But it was technically the first one they started using the... Wait, how many? Okay. What did we skip?

No, no. No, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cupcake. Donut, Eclare, Froyo, gingerbread. Wait, what about H? Honeycomb. Honeycomb. Ice cream sandwich, jelly bean, kit cat,

lemon... Lollipop. Lollipop. Lollipop. M. M. Oh. Ma.

Marshmallow. Muget. Nuget. Oreo. Pie. Pie. Q. Q.

And then that was it. Are we had an R? They stopped at Q. I mean, technically. What the f... I don't even know how to put it. He was technically injured 10. And it's when they officially switched over to letters.

Yeah. I mean, numbers. Kish. Kintz? They never named. It was just. Quince tart. Quince tart was the secret code name. But they

called a cue on stage. Red velvet. Snow cone's really good. Yeah, that's fire. That's a great layer. Oh, T was Tierra Sue. Yeah. I thought so. Upside down cake, vanilla ice cream. What? And then they went to B, Baclavas. And it fell off. Dude, Baclavas fire. No, Google broke alphabetical order for 16. They did. Oh, so

they would just restart it. So B, Baclavus, C's... I see where I'm screwing up. They're counting dot versions. That's what... It's not one for one. It's not numbers. Okay. Wait, so when did they stop?

They stopped it... After P. They gave up on... They stopped... WX, Z that they stopped at... Vanilla ice cream. So next is D. That's the most vanilla thing you could do.

They should have done a WX, Y, Z. Anyway, Google, I recommend you actually make a WX and Y and Z. I demand an apology. Yeah. Anyway... But thank you for getting rid of At a glance. Yeah.

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