Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Thoughts on the Humane AI Pin

Episode Date: April 12, 2024

This week, there was a surprising amount of big news but one eclipsed the others. Marques, Andrew, and David talk about experiencing a total eclipse and the new Find My Device on Android network before diving deep into the Humane AI Pin. Marques is still working on his review so these are his first thoughts and impressions on the device after using it for a few days. At the end, we play Headlines in a Hat with a 1-sentence twist before closing it out with some trivia. Enjoy! Links:  Techcrunch Google Vids: https://tcrn.ch/3vO8p2u Techcrunch AI Editing to Google Photos: https://bit.ly/3xyDRlS Google Find My Device: https://bit.ly/3UbR6lp Beeper Acquired by Automattic: https://bit.ly/4cNdB7D New Meta Quest features: https://bit.ly/3VRcwFL 9to5Mac Apple Ferret UI: https://bit.ly/4cUEx5d Verge Google Gemini 1.5 Pro: https://bit.ly/49B7791 Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Socials: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And you know how the back of a pin is usually like a little piece of metal? It's another battery back there. So this thing is just kind of sitting on my chest with a whole bunch of weight and battery and heat. And it does what it says it's supposed to do, but I guess... Does it? Here's my number one overarching thought when using it. Yo, what is good, people of the internet? welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast

we're your hosts i'm marquez i'm andrew and i'm yo it's david yo i wasn't expecting the yo it caught me off guard i saw you like turn your head around yeah you gotta change it up sometimes uh yeah we got a whole bunch of stuff for this week we have uh some thoughts on android's new find my network also the pin that i'm wearing is a product it's a tech product believe it or not we'll talk about the humane ai pin and we'll wrap it up with our favorite segment headlines in a hat also i apologize if i stutter over words a lot more today or a little more i'm missing several of my teeth i'll leave it at that oh um just leave it there yeah i'll just leave it there cool that's

it use your imagination dear listener to know what happened yeah video listeners have figured it out already audio listeners are picturing various things right now one of them could be correct wait why did the video listeners well because they can see which teeth i'm missing can they or not missing they're way in the back of your jaw well now they know but like if you just heard that i was missing several teeth and didn't see me you could way in the back of your jaw. Well, now they know. But like, spoiler alert, if you just heard that I was missing several teeth and didn't see me, it could be any of the teeth. I feel like you did have an interesting enough experience

that it is worth the story. Fair enough. Yeah, I got my wisdom teeth taken out on Friday. By the earthquake. It's been a couple of days, and I'm figuring out how to talk again, but also that was the same day that we had an earthquake in New Jersey. It was the same hour.

It was exactly the same hour that we had an earthquake. And apparently the surgeon like popped his head out into the waiting room and was like, hey, did you guys feel that? And then went back to taking the rest of my teeth out. So I'm fine now. But like who knows what was going on during those minutes. Either way, we got to talk about, I'll save the pin for later. We got to talk about Androids. Oh, wait, the Solar Eclipse.

We were just on a video shoot. Okay, we've all seen the Solar Eclipse in totality. You guys. Wow. We've all seen it. No, I saw it in 2017. Bro, I was standing right next to you. Hasn't seen, have you ever seen? Yeah, yeah, I saw the last one in 2017. Okay, so we've all seen. We've all seen a total saw in 2017 bro i was standing right next to you hasn't seen have you ever

yeah yeah i saw the last one in 2017 okay so we've all we've all seen a total a total i was on the plane with you this morning we've all seen it he's missing teeth give him time yeah i'm still processing things no it was it was awesome we went and and i promise you it was a coincidence but we went and shot a video on something in the middle of ohio uh this past week and booked it before i knew that there was an eclipse at the same time and then the eclipse news started bubbling up and everyone's going this is the coolest one ever this is the one that's going right through the heart of the u.s and like i was like oh this is so sick i kind of want to see it and so i looked it up on the calendar and i saw that we were already shooting something and i was like dang yeah already shooting is so sick. I kind of want to see it. And so I looked it up on the calendar and I saw that we were already shooting something. And I was like, dang, we're already shooting something.

Wait, wait a second. We're already shooting something. And we're already shooting something. And I looked it up and we were shooting in the path of the totality, like right in the smack in the middle of it. And it was absolutely worth it. It was the coolest thing I've ever seen.

Yeah. For people that have not seen a total solar eclipse, I feel like the way that the media portrayed it was like, there was all this hype built up around it, right? Because a lot of the US media is like, oh, total solar eclipse. And the difference

between a 90% solar eclipse and a 100% solar eclipse is 10 billion percent. The difference between 99 and 100 is drastic. It's so big. So like difference between 99 and 100 is drastic. It's so big. So like everyone in New York that I knew, I'm the only one that left New York for it. I went to Ohio as well.

I was probably like an hour from you guys. Probably, yeah. But everyone that I knew in New York was getting so excited for it. And then the actual thing happened. And every single person messaged me and was like, well, that was underwhelming. And I was like, bro, you don't understand how sick it is when you actually get the total solar eclipse i think i have i have a video of all of us like yelling our reactions there's definitely you're right like i was waiting for it i was like this is gonna be cool this is gonna be cool and then it happened and we were all like what is going on

it feels like you're in like a scifi movie, but it's actually happening. And it gets cold, which is amazing. Yeah, so my favorite part was there was an app that I was using. I forgot the name of it. I downloaded it before because it was some Eclipse tracker app, and it looks at your location,

tells you what to expect. And then the day of, I open it, and it's like three bucks now. And I was like, okay, fine. Wow. So I definitely got a lot of money that day. I told you hostage. But that app gave us a countdown countdown of based on your location, here's the timeline leading up to totality of what to expect.

So it was like an hour before you can start looking at the eclipse and start seeing it happening. With the glasses. You put the glasses on and you see the little chunk taken out of the sun and you're like, oh, that's crazy. That's super cool. And we've actually had a partial solar eclipse here before, so I've seen this before. And outside, if you're just walking around, you could just not have any

idea that that's happening, conceivably. Other than people looking around with their glasses at the sky. You get to half an hour before the eclipse, before totality, and the light starts to change a little bit and you start to notice it's a little bit darker just a little bit dimmer out yeah uh there was like 25 minutes before than 15 minutes

before and you started getting to the point where shadows were different and the light in the sky was different and we were actually setting up our first shot of the day and we had our cameras out and because the sun was dimmer it looked like the dynamic range of the cameras was immense yeah because you could see the blue of the sky behind us yeah and uh spoiler we actually shot the intro of this video on the other side of the eclipse so it was still like partial light i think it looks incredible that's awesome the whole time brand, our cinematographer, kept being like, everything looks like it's in log right now. It's so accurate.

Yeah, there's all these really amazing things that happen during the total eclipse. Everything kind of looks a little bit flat, but there's a 360 degree sunset that happens. That's freaking amazing. It gets colder. The animals, they all think it's nighttime. This is all in the app. Yeah they do like nighttime rituals five minutes before a breeze a cool breeze will drift in and like it'll really start getting darker and then one minute before yeah when it's really dark you're like okay this is this is very different from the partial eclipse yeah it's so

sick and then yeah it hits the the part the moment that it actually hits totality and then you're in it for maybe two three minutes of totality. We were like four. Or four solid minutes. We were in the middle of the path. And just staring at it without the glasses was life changing. Yeah, it was amazing. It's also, it's not, I kind of assumed it'd be like, oh, it's like getting darker.

But it was like, oh, it's getting darker. And then it's nighttime. Yeah. Like you can feel the moment where it's like someone flipped the switch. Here's all of us reacting to it happening. Do you have the moment? Holy ****. What?

Oh, my God. Whoa. Yeah. This is no one knew I was filming that. That was just like, I wish the video, the video, because your phone like adapts for the darkness, so it doesn't look it. But so all of us were just sitting there

and it just like, and then it's like, oh, what is going on? Yeah, this was mine. Here we are. Wow. Oh, guys. Oh, yeah. Wow. Oh, guys. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

So we can look at it now? Oh, it's dark. Oh, my gosh. Oh, that wasn't exciting. The app gave me a countdown, so it was like 10 seconds to totality. And right around 10 seconds, everything starts accelerating the sunset. That was my video is crazy yeah i didn't actually capture video at totality because i was like hurrying to get

pictures because i shot on my four by five and i was like yeah so it was a lot but yeah it's crazy yeah i hate to be that person that's like you have to experience it to understand but if you ever in your lifetime get the chance to go a little out of your way to experience totality, it is worth it. A thousand percent. I will be doing it again. And that was just the second coolest thing we did in Ohio. Bro, that was the coolest thing we did. Skyline Chili.

Skyline Chili, bro. Not even close. Chili, beans, cheese, onions, spaghetti. You forgot something. Cheese. More cheese. More cheese. One more thing. Cheese. Even more. I think you, the cheese. cheese more cheese one more thing cheese even more i

think you the cheese yeah that was there too for sure yeah no i was i i saw a clip the other day actually my two favorite things come out of this one obviously everyone's pictures but there's a meme of like the google trends graph of my eyes hurt and how it spiked over time through the path of totality hilarious i hope everyone uses their special glasses. Two is appreciating like the cosmos a little bit. This doesn't happen on any other planet. This is only an Earth thing. What?

Wait, it doesn't happen with the moon? Any of the moons of the other planets? The size of our moon is perfect in its reference, in its ratio to how far away the sun is. So the sun is 400 times further away from Earth than the moon, and it's 400 times, what, bigger in the sky or smaller? Whatever the ratio is, it matches perfectly here on Earth because of those ratios and only here on Earth. And I'm alive.

That's crazy. And that's finite because the moon's getting further away from the Earth. So, I mean, all of our lifetime. Oh, if the moon's getting further away, we will get more. No, it'll get smaller because it's getting further away. So it'll be smaller from one day. We won't have a total anymore. Oh, that sucks.

We always will. Yeah, we were alive. I'm definitely going to the next one, which is in two and a half years in spain and or iceland yeah i will say as someone that was here for the partial eclipse if you've seen the partial and you're like eh i kind of get it you don't totality is different not even close yeah i it's huge it's super cool yeah so and the thing i was we were talking about this i want to see like all these natural phenomena and iceland is low-key a good spot to go for Aurora Borealis. And that only happens when it's dark. And it's dark during totality.

And you can probably see where I'm going with this. Yeah. There's a small chance. Large chance. Oh, you mean small chance it happens. There's a small chance that you go to Iceland, and it gets dark really quick, and then you instantly see the totality and Aurora Borealis at the same time.

And it's not cloudy. I would die. That's a super low chance. I'm going to do it anyway, bro. Super low chance. You're telling me there's a chance, though? I'm gambling with fate. I want to see that.

I don't know if it gets that dark during totality. Totality got dark, but it has to be pitch black to see Aurora Borealis. Oh, really? Yeah. That dark during totality. Totality got dark, but it has to be pitch black to see a wrong person. Unless it's like a solar flare or something at the same time, which that would be crazy. Maybe there will be. There's a chance. That's the best time to see a solar flare.

Did you guys see the solar things that were coming off the sun? The little beads. The little beads? Yeah. I took some pictures. Classic David sentence. Look at the little red spots coming off the sun. Yeah, they're so cool.

I think Bill and I was saying that's how we learned about those, is through an eclipse. Who's Bill Nye? What? The homie Bill? Oh, you're supposed to say the science guy. Oh, oh. The science guy?

Yeah, I think that's how we discovered. Coronas? Yeah, is through that's how we discovered. Coronas? Yeah, is through eclipses being able to, because you can't look at the sun and see it, but that blocks out enough sun that you can see it. Do not look at the sun. Apparently also a lot of other planets are visible during the eclipse because the sun is shining on them, but not on other stuff. We saw Venus like instantly.

No one told me that! Where was I? You didn't see it? No! It was announced. You can see it. Look back at your pictures. It's probably in your pictures. Yeah, no, it was announced. Is it near the sun? This is worse s***. It's near the sun. No, dude, no, we didn't.

It's just another sparkly bit. It's like a bright star kind of you didn't miss look at i bet if you look back your pictures venus you'll see like a really bright line you're like what is that i'm watching that video back and if i don't hear any of you talk about venus i promise you andrew you didn't miss the cool part yeah you saw the cool part yeah skyline i was right there skyline baby speaking of uh things that especially the world, speaking of things you have to find. Yeah. Like the eclipse.

Or Venus. Like Venus in the sky. That was rough. Android's Find My Network is here. Finally. We just got notifications about this. If you're on your phone, you got a notification. Ideally, all Android phones and tablets

will have Find My Device. Sorry, Find My Device trackers are coming and will be able to use Android devices to find things. Yes, but you can also use... Yeah. Because you can already find my Android. Yeah. That's already a thing.

But Find My Device trackers, like AirTags, for example, will use Apple's Find My iPhone network. And anytime someone nearby gets close enough to it it'll ping and update its location similar concept with android now yeah yeah that's that's the thing right can i ask a nerdy question sure so like the apple find my network is enabled by the u1 chip is that no it No, it's, well, that is just for the millimeter wave. Precision finding. When you're in and it like points you

in the direction inside your house. That's the only thing the U1 chip does. Like when you're within range of it. Yeah, otherwise it's like Bluetooth and. Mesh network. Yeah, mesh networking. Really? Yeah. It's gotta be low power the u-chip is it

means ultra wideband yeah yeah yeah but i thought that was how it was communicating with all the other u1 chip devices and that's what formed the mesh network no definitely not because ultra wideband is does not go through walls or anything the iphone has one built in and the air tags have one built in so when they were like announcing it that was the like precision thing yeah but if you just want to find another iphone it can direct you to like the building on the street just like with its regular network yeah broadly yeah yeah so there are some um very special stuff that they're doing with this as well uh your device now doesn't need to be connected to a wi-fi network it can be found via Bluetooth, just like Apple devices. But the Pixel 8 and Pixel 8 Pro can even be found

if the device is dead. Google says this is due to specialized Pixel hardware, and it wants to expand that hardware to other high-end Android devices in the future. How long till Pixel 7 and less has this exact same feature?

I don't know. I mean, it sounds like it's something that doesn't require the separate battery from the phone or something like that. But that's pretty cool. You can also now use Nest speakers as reference points for your trackers. So like if you have multiple different Nest devices in your house,

the closer it is to whatever one in any given room, it will be like it was in the living room, which is cool. Smart. Do you? Sorry, I'm going to interrupt a little bit. But like at first I was like, this sounds really cool because I leave my phone around the house all the time and always need to look for it. And it's one of my favorite things about my watch by being able to do the like. Do you guys do that ever? I don't use an Apple watch. All the time. You can ping your phone. Yeah. Pinging the like do you guys do that ever uh i don't use an apple all the time

you can ping your phone yeah pinging but do you use that like if i ever i don't i don't leave my phone very often but if i do wow you're so much better than everyone marquez it's just in my pocket all the time it's actually a problem i probably use that feature like twice a day nice yeah best feature ever which is where like i like that i probably wouldn't need it because i can just actually no that would be nice for if like lane is sleeping and i don't want to if i'm worried i left my phone in her room and then it just goes bring bring bring why she's trying to sleep okay yeah the network is great because it used to be that you were only able to like if your phone was on and had cell data that's when you could find your

phone yeah but now it's the same as the way that apple does it where it's like every other android device in the world is a beacon so if any other android device walks by it it's gonna like ping its location which is really handy um by default there are going to be three different options uh you can use without network where your device just doesn't participate in the network. You can still locate your offline devices using their stored recent locations when they're online, which is basically like if your phone dies, you'll see the location for when it died. There is with network and high traffic areas only, which is the default that everyone will be opted into automatically, which is basically like, you can locate using recent stored locations on the network in areas like airports or busy footpaths. And then there's with the network in all areas,

so not just high traffic areas, it can also be in very low traffic areas. It just might use location info from your device. So yeah, it's very useful. And that's going to be awesome. Because I think that one of the things that currently keeps people in the Apple ecosystem is the ability to use these trackers. For example, whenever I'm on an Android phone, I keep an iPhone in my pocket as well, literally to use as a beacon device to find all my lost stuff. i lose things all the time and i have air tags on everything how many air tags are in your account do you think i think 12 solid which i could yeah i have like eight and i have one in my car just so that every

morning when i leave i always forget where i park yeah just grab the phone and be like oh yeah i was on that street right see android a lot of android phones have a feature where as soon as you start driving and then you stop driving and start walking it automatically goes you probably parked here I have been waiting for that to pop up it has not happened in like six months I get it like random it's kind of random how it just decides to work or not wait but if you have a an air tag in your car then anyone who drives with you with an iphone do they get the notification like someone's following you constantly really yeah is that just fun to freak them out at that point i just tell them to deal with it because

it's more valuable to me to be in there when someone says oh my gosh someone's stalking me you go that's me like yeah deal with it yeah um yeah so that's great it removes a little piece of apple's walled garden you know what's kind of funny though that i found interesting is the fact that the nest integration seems a little bit first party ish you know like with nest speakers you'll be able to find it in the given rooms and i'm like is that gonna roll out to all smart speakers that aren't just Google, or is that only going to be Nest? Because it said Nest specifically, which is interesting.

I wonder if you... I feel like after the Apple lawsuit, I'm just like... You're letting other people do it? I'm putting the equivalent in the Apple ecosystem, where if you have a HomePod specifically, then you can use this feature. Which Apple would do... Which they would totally do that. Yeah, they would have done that, right yeah they would have done that i mean they do have probably do there's plenty of google assistant like licensed speakers out there right yeah like and other there were other smart home

devices that aren't cool do they still have those actually or did those there are it's just that they it specifically said nest that's why yeah yeah i wonder if it's just now because like it's has something specific for it and could come out in the future but it is weird that it only has that yeah we'll have to see i don't know anyway that's exciting um again just like knocks it down a little brick in the walled garden and now you can have an android phone and not be so upset about it yeah find your stuff i'm not upset that i have an android phone david well i i mean i hate carrying two phones on me when i need i need an alternative to air tags that's all i'm saying totally fair yeah well we should take a quick break uh and then we got to

talk about all the headlines in the hat and also this pin that i've been wearing just heating up my chest um but first we should do trivia you know it's hotter trivia segways are art we're killing the segways today a little late the timing was a little off that was good okay first question is a science question oh whoa no way i know that's crazy where's bill how many teeth do humans have price is right rules price is right damn right that was ellis's edition i love it i think i know i can't wait for the whole next conversation when i'm not participating and just counting the teeth in my mouth before before they get taken oh yeah yes like in your mouth at a time when you're born adults typically have when you're born

you have no teeth when you're born adults typically have when you're born you have no teeth when you're born really yeah you sure about that yeah i'm positive wait i couldn't be more sure yeah you're biting on things to like because your teeth are growing so that your teeth can break through the gums it's like when your teeth first grow in interesting i just counted the teeth in my mouth so i'm just writing that answer but you said before wasn't people get taken out i'm writing how many teeth i have right now okay that's is that great answer i mean that's that's a good no that's a good thing to do because it's price is right rules so you should be under under counting anyway well i had four more a week ago so like yeah so right now the answer is with with the ones that you were supposed to have because I still have them.

Okay. Exactly. With the ones you were supposed to have. Okay. So if you got some taken out recently like someone did, just add those back in. We'll have the answers at the end as usual. We'll be right back. puts all your customer data plus email, SMS, and analytics in one place.

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on what would actually come out first the pin or the rabbit r1 because i thought the release date was originally r1 well rabbit made a big deal the fact that they were releasing earlier because they were supposed to come out on easter yeah actually you know what's funny about this the humania pin was originally supposed to come out on the day of the eclipse yeah that was the whole thing and they like put their logo their logo is an eclipse and they did that on purpose and then they missed it yeah and then the rabbit r1 logo is a rabbit supposed to be tied in with easter was supposed to come out on easter and then that got delayed it is remarkable i mean it seems like they've been developing in like parallel and like sort of pseudo racing each other.

And it's kind of remarkable how close to each other they're launching. And they're both clearly rushing to just get it out. The rabbit started development in October. That's insane. That's when they came up with the idea. I will say this. Okay. Sorry, I sidetracked a little there.

But I thought I remember our rabbit like talking smack that it was coming out earlier or something yeah they were okay yeah so the thing about the rabbit which we don't want to talk too long about it's it's like a little box with one piece of software in it that runs on a little cheap computer and like has a camera and it's like it i can understand how that didn't take forever to develop this is a a $700 piece of hardware with plus a $24 a month subscription with all the services and internet and its own phone number and all that,

that I could see how it would take a while to develop because there are certain things, a lot of hardware in here that are actually very impressive. And they talk a big talk about how a lot of people came from Apple and designed OG Apple products, I will say. As far as how well built and how well made the materials are,

it's the best part about the pen. It's metal. The magnets are extremely strong. The speakers are very audible in lots of situations. The tolerances are really tight. Everything fits together well. It's surprisingly well made. And I give it props for that.

I think that's the best part about the AI pin. And I think making a projector this tiny probably took some time as well. So there's that. Yeah. They went through a lot of it when they came and showed it off to us and like internal parts and stuff. And it was really impressive seeing all of the inner workings of it and how much thought had to go into making this do what it does.

Can you guys even see that? Yeah, I just really... Is it even on the camera? I'll put the mic on the other side so you can see it. So yeah, it's right here. It's on my chest. It's magnetized. God, there's so many fundamentals.

I'll have you guys ask questions that you want to know about it, but here's the fundamentals of it. It's a little AI in a box. It's your little helper. You can interact with it with your voice by just using this touchpad here and touching it and going, what time is it? 2.43 p.m. So when you hold down, it's listening. And when you let go, it's not. So it's not always listening for a wake word or a hot word or something like that. It's just when you're

touching it and then it's listening. And if you ever don't want to use audio, it also has a projector built in, which is impossible for me to show you from this angle, but I basically just hold my hand out in front of me and a little UI appears on my hand and it's projecting UI. And then as I move my hand around, I'm interacting with the UI of the, of the pin, which is new new i've never seen that before it's really really unique um it's magnetized to my shirt and uh you know how the back of the pin is usually like a little piece of metal it's another battery back there so this thing is just kind of sitting on my chest with a whole bunch of weight and battery and heat and uh it it does what

it says it's supposed to do but i guess does it here's my here's my um my number one overarching thought when using it i really believe that tech can eventually make this like artificial assistant possible for regular people like you know ceos and like executives and super rich people have like human assistants that like know everything about them and like book flights for them get their calendar sorted meetings all that fun stuff and for us regular people we want like a virtual assistant for lack of a better term so like google assistant almost makes this promise of look we know all this stuff about you we can help personalize results for you and like help you through your day and all this stuff. Super cool. I think we can actually get to a point

where tech can deliver the promise of like the virtual assistant, which I'm really excited about. The problem with this one is it's a separate device from your phone. It doesn't pair to your phone. It's totally separate. And so it therefore doesn't know anything about you that your phone. It doesn't pair to your phone. It's totally separate. And so it therefore doesn't know anything about you that your phone knows about you. Your phone knows a lot about you. Depends on what phone you have, but it knows a lot about you. This device has to learn over time and starts off at such a frustratingly low level that it's basically useless at the beginning until you start to talk to it and use it and get it to learn you and the friction required to get it to the point of it

knowing about you is so great because of all the other flaws that i don't think i'll ever get there that's my problem with it i also want to throw out in there like i think a pretty easy thing to say is like well it will get to know you like if you do just get past the friction point but my biggest thing here and we all were kind of talking about this is like even when it gets to know you the fact that it's its own number and not connected to your phone is like that means i have to make the choice of am i communicate because one of the things it can do is like tell me what's going on today like what if what did i miss in my text messages send this text message to whoever called this person it's a different phone number

so now i have to be like hey david i want you to like during the week i'm wearing the humane pin so can you use this number like nine to five on the weekdays? Wait, it doesn't forward? No. Not that I know of. Let's try it right now. Yeah. Send Andrew a message saying, I'll be there in 10 minutes. They should have done it with the hand UI. It's not fast.

There are multiple matching contacts. Which one do you mean? Andrew at... Andrew... Andrew... Andrew... I'm none of those? What's Andrew in your phone? which one do you mean? Andrew A** Andrew L** Andrew Chris** Andrew S** I'm none of those yeah what's Andrew in your phone

Andrew Manganielli is this where you find out Andrew's numbers and saved in your phone your message to Andrew A** says I'll be there in 10 minutes wrong person okay to send

nope message sent canceling Okay, to send? Nope. Message sent. Canceling. Wait, what? Actually, what contacts is it pulling from? So at the beginning, you connect your Google, Apple, Microsoft, and Tidal accounts. So those are the contacts from my Android phone. You don't even have me on Tidal?

I have my contacts in google contacts so that should be pulling I'm going to try it one more time say my full name tell Andrew Manganielli I'll be there in 10 minutes your message to Andrew says I'll be there in 10 minutes okay to send

am I not in your phone can you. Am I not in your phone? Can you confirm that I'm in your phone? The audience wants to know. The audience is, is this the first friendship ended by a human? Also, I want to say quick note to everyone listening and watching when Marquez does these demos,

I'm not going to edit that. That is the time it takes. Oh, there's also multiple other Andrews here. That's what it just went through. That's why I said full name and it didn't work. Damn, you put my name in here fast to prove that. I'm just kidding.

I just put Andrew. Yeah, I know. Yeah. Nice. So it did. That's a thing. Okay. What if I, okay.

David, let me try David. Oh yeah, try me. Because your name's in here too, right? I hope so. Whoops. Tell David ML I'll be there in 10 minutes i'm ready there are multiple matching contacts which one do you mean david no david david i'm all david or david what a flex I just saw it David I'm L come on it's not how you pronounce my name pin your message to David I'm all says I'll be there in 10 minutes okay to send yes by the way Marquez could have done this in uh well if we go if we get past that part there

we'll give it the benefit of the doubt that this is okay i just got a message from a random number saying i'll be there in 10 minutes yeah so i think the point we're trying to illustrate which is exactly what you just said is this can do a bunch of things, but all of those things I could do infinitely faster or better on my phone. Yeah. Unless you're, basically the one thing that this can achieve is if your goal is to spend less time on your phone,

then technically you can do it. And more time frustratingly working with the pen. You will probably be very frustrated with the friction of using the pen. I want to even give it the benefit of the doubt though on if you do want to use the pen in some cases, but now you have two completely separate phone numbers, forms of communication with David. So like you could be talking to him through the pin for a day, but then like, that's not including the time you're using your phone.

So unless it's completely taking over your phone, you're going to be using your phone sometimes. Now these are two totally different conversations. Are we going to be using your phone sometimes now these are two totally different conversations are we going to double our text messages for every single person that we talk to in a week you were talking about you know it can summarize all your messages yeah and read you the things that you've received while you were in a meeting that's only if the person texted this number i just did so what happens i just texted it back you texted it back yeah well how do you know so there is a notification light at the top that you have to look down at. And I have to look down at.

Oh, my God. I can't see it very well. So it's not really doing much. You didn't see it when I texted you back. So like. Yeah. Is there a vibration or anything? There's no vibration.

Oh, my goodness. But I'm going to ask it if I. A haptic motor. I haven't felt any vibrations. Can you call it? What happens if he calls you? Oh, yeah, you should call it. Wait.

So can you message? So I'm going to ask if I have any messages. Do I have any messages? David, I almost said, okay, same. And it just reads it out loud, no matter what the message is. Or if you put your hand out, it'll say it on your hand instead. Cool. Yeah.

Okay, I'm going to call you now. Yeah, call me. Let's see how this works. Let's see if it rings. All right. It should. Can you see the light? Purple light?

Can you see the light now? Oh, the lights? The light? That isn't a spot. I feel like that would catch my eye. Oh. Oh. How we doing?

Did I accept it? Okay, nearing now. I'm on the phone. Hands free. So that's the thing. Yeah, if you try to use this pin in noisy environments or in public, you're just, everyone can hear everything around you. And if you want to engage with it in other ways,

then you have to tap it and use the hand thing and try to, oh, you hung up. Okay, put the UIs on my hand now and I received a message so I'm going to say, oh, I have a missed call from David from before. Yep, there it is. And yeah, it technically works.

It's kind of, you know, it reminds me of Vision Pro a little bit because the, in, I'll get there. Yeah, you need to clarify, it reminds me of Vision Pro a little bit. Oh. Because the, in, I'll get there. Yeah, you need to clarify. It reminds me of Vision Pro because clearly Vision Pro, a lot of people are like, what do I even do with this? I want to be so amazed by the product, but I don't know if this fits in my life at all. But the tech and the fact that it works is pretty cool. I find some of the same things with this where like the fact that the projector actually works it's not even that good it doesn't track my hand it's not super

readable but the fact that it actually responds to my hand that's kind of cool but i don't have a place where this like makes sense in my life are there other people where this does more maybe i don't know um yeah yeah if you're in a chance oh by the way there's way more instances where it's like really really heavy friction but if you're if you're in a chance, oh, by the way, there's way more instances where it's like really, really heavy friction. But if you're in instances where you want to spend less time on your phone, that's where I feel like you're the best possible fit for this product.

And even at that point, it's probably not great. But what can it do? That's like... I'll tell you what it does. Okay, let's go. So it's got the microphone and the speaker and it has the large language model

and it can process what you're saying. And then it can either do on-device computation or go to the internet and look stuff up. So if you ask it questions about facts or ask it to tell you things or recommend you things in the area, what's some food around here? What's the weather tomorrow? How tall is this building? Stuff like that. It can do all of that, just like your phone. I'll say a lot of things, and I'll say just like your phone at the end because it's true about all of them. It can make all of that. Just like your phone. I'll say a lot of things and I'll say just like your phone at the end

because it's true about all of them. It can make phone calls and send text messages just like your phone. On a different number. On a different phone number. Okay. It can take pictures and 30 second videos just like your phone.

All of these are very much dependent on how well it's working. But it can take pictures. It can take videos. It can send those pictures and videos uh it backs them up to the cloud it can play music just like your phone in bluetooth headphones or i think it compared to headphones as well which is what you should do please don't play music i just yeah you can walk around personic wow what do they call it the individual sound bubble as advertised is not well so i when they around. The more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like a more like on you not that it that's what when they were explaining it to us i took it as that not as this like magical only you can hear it thing yeah i would say definitely if you want to wear headphones

to have more personal audio you probably should it it claims to have a sort of personalized audio bubble i think that's some of the words that they were using i feel like it's pretty close to just me holding up a small speaker like a small speaker phone i can hear it pretty well i also believe you guys can hear it pretty well so i wouldn't call it private i would just say it's audible which is fine i wouldn't listen to music walking around but you could um that's that's basically what it does and i would say all the other things about a smartphone that are natural questions you have like what's the battery life how much storage what apps are there all of the answers hurt all of the answers hurt um they do include a lot of hardware i will say for batteries so like the back of this pin

magnetized is another booster battery and they include two batteries and then a little like charging case to charge the battery and like a little charger that sits on your desk all these like nice accessories for different weights of clothing the battery life it's never made it through a day for me with all the batteries included can you also all the batteries all of the batteries wait can you ask it hot swap but it's never made it through an entire day for me can you ask it how much battery it has because the way i found it explains it is very confusing. Well, there's the internal battery and the booster battery. And it describes it as both.

Yeah, I'll ask it. What's my battery? 88%, booster 25%. So built-in battery is at 88%, which it has been for a while. And the booster, which slowly drains during the day, is at 25%. So it maintains the internal at 88% as much as possible. It maintains the internal kind of at whatever it is when you put the booster on. That's what I found.

That's what I found confusing is it's like I assumed that one would always be at 100%. Yeah. But I guess it's like a train. But that's a confusing thing to say what's my battery in here two numbers and then every time being like i i think it makes sense physically like this is such a small system that like wirelessly wirelessly charging it i think would be just heat loss just like all day so i feel like it's just keeping it at whatever it's at and slowly draining the booster and once the booster's dead then it slowly drains the internal but that's not the case there no or i guess did you change it when it drained the booster then

drained the main and now you have a new booster on because it's two different not full it drained my booster and then it started draining the main down to 88 which is when i swapped on a new booster and then the new booster started draining while it kept it at 80 i feel like the easier way of doing that would just be like, you have approximately four hours of runtime in the current situation. Well, that's the thing. I've had drastically different amounts of battery life

depending on what's happening. I've had an hour straight where I do nothing and it drains completely. I've had an hour where I did a lot of video recording and it only drained 25%. So it's really hard to say how much time you have left based on what's happening. I will say it's always warm on my chest. But yeah, so the battery life question, I will say, is really, really not great,

even though it's a tiny thing. The point is you have to charge it every single day. The other thing is it is heavy. So if you're wearing it on, you've got all these thick clothes in their demos, which is super cool. But if you wear a thin jersey like I do or a little lightweight hoodie or something like that, you're going to notice it's kind of sagging a little bit.

Yeah, they do suggest, I think they would want you to put it up a tad higher. They basically said the seam of your shoulder and your sleeve, because they're closer together is a tad tighter but then you're definitely not going to see a notification line no i actually think you would see it better if it was out to the left here it'd be more in your peripheral and the notifications on the top right it's not a product that like demos well you have to teach people how to use it which is kind of confusing but also you can learn how to use things i still

think even in its perfect placement, though, is a bit strange. And they do have a couple different backings on it. There's one without a battery that's lighter, but I still think if you're wearing looser clothing, especially jersey-esque material like Marquez wears a lot, it's going to be all over the place. So what are you doing now?

I'm just texting you back oh oh with your hand so you also have to pinch for this how it's one of the ways to do things yeah like how how much better is that than or is it at all comparable to Vision Pro? Like the pinching, eye-tracking thing. Okay. So the projector is fixed on your chest, right? So when you move your hand out, it's sort of a muscle memory of remembering where to put your hand to immediately have it project the UI onto your hand. oh once you have a project on your hand the gestures work but you need to sort of learn to keep your hand in place and calibrate yourself to how sensitive it is can i ask you said before it has no hand tracking does it have like minor adjustments when you're close in on it or did

you just mean like you know it has to be in a particular place it's just straight locked on fixed yeah and it also seems to have a a pretty generous amount of distance you can be from your hand because it's tracking that distance. Okay. So one of the pieces of the UI is pinching like you saw. That's like a selection. There's also moving around the UI by tilting my hand like there's a marble in my hand. That's like how I select the piece of UI.

That works kind of well, but it's kind of like you can imagine like an ipad game where you're tilting a marble around it's like not easy but you can you can do it and then there's like moving your hand forward or backward in depth with ui so like my passcode when i put it in i'm like selecting the numbers on like a moving carousel so yeah you can do it but it's not fast for me i'm a weekend maybe i'll get really good at it soon but i'm not fast so i have a question in its most magical ideal this is the perfect world sure state what does this do better than a phone that the whole point isn't just you don't have to take out your phone? Good question. I'll say two things.

Okay. One is it's always with you all the time so it can remember things if you just go, remember that Andrew's birthday is next week. And it'll just write it down, keep it in the little portal, which is a web portal. It's not even an app. And that's it. Can you not do that with like a Google Assistant?

With like a Google Assistant button? You can, but where does it write that stuff down? It just remembers it. Because you can tell Google Assistant, I like to be called by this or like that kind of stuff. And it remembers that. It's nice to have a little hub at the end of the day where I can go back and see all the things

that I told it to remember. There's a physical place online you can do that? Yeah, there's a humane web portal. Let's talk about that. Yeah. So you sign in, you log in with your account, you have your Google title, Microsoft, Apple, all that stuff is signed in there.

And then you have all of the photos and videos you took, all of your last few commands and what the answers were. And then of course, the stuff you told it to remember. Okay. So that is one thing that it's currently better at than my phone. If I can't grab my phone and write it down right away, that's at least nice. And then two is just like less screen time.

That's kind of it. Like it can take pictures, but my phone takes better pictures. It can text and call people, but I can do that faster on my phone pictures It can text and call people but I can do that faster on my phone I can look up facts, but I can do that faster on my phone all the things that it does I can do on my phone, but that means I'm using my phone So if you want if you really want to reduce your screen time and live a less distracted life You know we have smart glasses as a form factor for that We have a pin now as a form factor for that. That's a thing

I can do are they marketing this as a phone replacement or as a i think none of them are really able to make a good case to replace your phone i think people watch the videos and feel like there's a future where maybe it could replace a phone yeah but today i think if you like honestly ask them like we can all agree phones are pretty op like phones are great. And so there is no world in which this does everything your phone does. It doesn't have Spotify. It doesn't have podcasts. It doesn't have any apps really. So it can't replace your phone today, but it's a companion app that you also charge every day and then maybe start using more and more during the day. The problem with companion app, and this is still what i think is the thing that i

is my biggest gripe with this is that like if it's not replacing a phone it should be connected to my phone and be the companion app of the thing that i don't need to pull my phone out but that's my hub still if i can't connect i like need to confirm if that's real that it cannot connect to my messages and phone calls because it just feels so not right issue but i'm pretty sure i can't see how it would do that if it has some sort of forwarding but then it's not pulling things from my phone my phone's not forwarding back messages to for it to read from and then you have to carry your phone anyway if it's paired i'd be fine carrying my phone if it's like my phone's in my backpack and i have this on me like that i think is fine there's a place for

something like that if it works well i'm in your ideal world here like yeah but all of that is is kind of strange a lot of the stuff they said is coming soon like there is going to be google calendar connections but that's coming later and feels like something that probably should be there at launch i yeah a lot of the things coming later feel like they should be there at launch to help make this seem a little more useful but there's a yeah there's a really long list of features that i would like for it to do like if it could just see my google calendar if i could just say what's my next event it can't even do that it says it's coming soon actually david and i were having this conversation about in the the i think one of the weirdest things about large

language models or like assistants right now is why do they always have to read the entirety of every single thing? If I want to say, there's an example they do where they're like, what's my next meeting? And it's like, your next meeting is the MKBHD content meeting with Adam, Ellis, and David, and it's at 1 o'clock. And then you're like, oh, is Tim going to be there? And it's like, Tim will not and then you're like um oh is tim gonna be there and it's like tim will not

be attending the mkbhd content meeting with alice alexa alice but uh it seems like what large language models are doing right now is understanding the context of how you talk to devices but what needs to happen as well is that they need to contextually talk to you like a human because right now it's using your contextual it's using contextual understanding of your language to fetch information but then it's just taking that information as a glorb and then pulling that in and showing that to you but until until these models can actually like talk back to you like a normal person then it's kind of hard yeah in yeah no sorry oh in this perfect world i could see

a future where you don't need your phone for example the rabbit r1 uh theoretically we haven't got to test it yet the whole point of it is you should be able to it connects to all of your apps and it learns how to use your apps like you would use your apps right and in that world if the humane ai pin had a large action model as rabbit likes to call it and it knew how to use all your apps and you could say call me an uber to this location i and i could see a world where that is my only phone number right where you you're like i'm going phone-less i'm just not doing phones anymore at all and i'm just having a dangling AI assistant that can do everything for me with all my apps and all that stuff.

I think you could get there. It's funny how much we use screens. I think there's like a last 10% that's gonna be really, really hard to wean us off of screens. Because even if, let's say you could on this, you can't, but let's say you could call an Uber. And you said, you're in the city and go call me over to the studio and you hear it go

bling your uber is on the way and then you want to walk one block to the corner to the starbucks and have it pick you up there what do you do on the pin oh god okay uh do i do the hand thing to do it do i go adjust my pickup location to my new location like the last 10 is so annoying yeah and if it was very human like it could handle that super easily and that'll be the the real impressive accomplishment of these large action models and large language models but that is the hard part the other problem is that it's all voice-based yeah and correct and like speaker-based and i just feel like that's a critical issue. It is.

Well, it does have the projector, so it's not all speaker-based. It can feed information through the projector. Okay. I don't have as much of an issue with the audio as you guys do. Maybe because I'm thinking of it like a person. I'm just outside around people all the time.

If you had a little person on your shoulder that was like your actual human assistant i would hate that but imagine imagine how functional he would be if you could just be like hey call me an uber i mean i just think either way it can do text and audio so it doesn't really matter yeah you can always like it has both send texts and like he reads the text or something it just takes i'm using this human as an analogy for my like my desire for an ai sure like how would i tell a person to do this and a thumbnail was born it's just like a little little angle on my shoulder on your shoulder i was picturing a leprechaun but that's cool too cool it could be

it could be jay from state farm whoever i don't know a little person on my shoulder but yeah i need them to be i need to just communicate quickly what I need from them and then they can take care of it. Okay, so big question. Why would I buy this? I can say there is one other thing that we haven't talked about that I think is it's still in my eyes

not worth the price that it is, but it's most impressive feature is the just like something next to you that can pretty much live translate if you're holding on to it it seems like it's done a good job at that it's quicker when it does that from all the demos that i've seen it seems pretty quick where you can just be like um and and from what i remember they said they said like if you were to land in a country that has a language based around it, it would know where you are.

And then if you press the certain gesture to do translation, it would translate English into Spanish. And then when they talk back to you, you can hold the same gesture and then it will come back into English. I think that is a cool feature. I think every tech demo always has a really, really cool translation demo. Yeah. And then the one time, you know, you actually use it, you end up just like using Google

Translate anyway. But in the off chance it works really well, I think that's great. I guess what I'm saying is there are a lot of live translations. This seems like the best one. The best one. I still don't know how often I would use it. The most natural feeling natural feeling kind of more like the one that said they're doing it and it actually does it unlike the pixel buds doing live translations and stuff like that and as a way to communicate back out without you having to like attempt to read a different language and say that

or show on your phone i mean google translate i mean when i was in japan using the google translate app it's rock solid i'll just type what i want to say and then hit it and it says it out loud and then the taxidermist goes okay and then if they say something i just record it and then it translates it and like i get it i'll just like that's it it's really amazing yeah yeah cool well it works so why would you want to buy it yeah why who should buy the humane pin today today it's 700 it's 24 bucks a month if you are crazy only brandon really really really want to reduce your screen time like at the expense of your own sanity you would just love to look at screens way way less than you do now so you're willing to offset some of the stuff that you do now with a screen

to a device without a screen. You can do that today with the Humane Pin. It will take longer to do many things. You will do many things worse than you originally would have. Your photos will look worse. Your videos will be less than 60 seconds.

You will just have less capabilities. You will have a new phone number. You'll have to charge another device. All these things are true, but you will have less screen time. Mission accomplished. That person can buy the Humane AI pin. That is the only person that I think I would recommend it to today in its current state. Maybe it'll get some updates, new capabilities. Maybe I'll reevaluate. Maybe I'll be really impressed with some updates that it comes out with, and maybe I'll want to use it for something else.

But as of right now, I just don't enjoy using it. It's tough. I really feel like the majority of videos that you see trying to show it off feel very like when Google Home first came out and were like, how tall is the Empire State Building? How long is the George Washington Bridge? It's just some kind of random facts. How far long is the George Washington Bridge? Like, it's just some kind of

random facts. How far away is the moon? And I feel like 800 bucks for that. I know that's like, yeah, putting it down into a small thing. But I think that there's not a ton. I think what you're observing is it's a really hard product to explain why people would want to use. I think Vision Pro had a similar problem problem where it's so cool as a tech demo and then you go open it up and put it on someone's eyes and they go what do i do like at least they know vr headsets can play games but they're like what do i do with this a lot of other tech has really really obvious use cases like when the ipod came out for example it's like oh yes i want to listen to music

everywhere i couldn't do that before lots of tech has had this moment i think this is a super super cool interesting very unique piece of tech from the projector to the ai to the form factor of a pin i just don't have a use for it yeah that and that's the problem most people probably have with it i've also got to say in in the to Google Home, I think that the tension of having to charge another thing and also having to have another thing in general, this is a problem with the rabbit as well. You have to charge it. You got to keep it with you in your pocket.

Carry the batteries. Carry it. Like that tension is so strong because with the Google Home home you keep it in your home all the time and it's just always available and there and you do not have to think about anything else no friction there's no friction it's just an option it's an it's an option whereas this one's like try to use it for 80 of your things i will say please when we went to this that's a perfect when we went to this uh this trip to go shoot the the day that we flew out there, which we had a bunch of cool stuff to do, I had this thought at the beginning of the day, which is like, I don't want to wear this today. There is so much friction of number one, I have to drive the seatbelt.

Don't want to do that. Number two, we're going to go to an airport with security, with like the metal detector. I got to take it off again, take it out out i got to keep the extra batteries in my backpack i got to swap out like am i going to take a jacket off on the plane and then i have to restick the pin again like i thought of so many reasons why i didn't want to carry it and wear it that day that i just didn't charging up wait i just realized charging is only through that like stand right there's no just usbc you can plug into the battery or the actual device is it inductive there's a couple things i'll tell you every single way you can charge so right now i

have a battery booster on the back attached to it and i have a separate battery booster back at my desk so there's a little cradle that i put the booster in that inductively charges it that's one way so that's charging on the cradle right now okay the other way is there's a little like airpods case looking thing And you can put it you can put it in there and close that and it'll charge in there and that is USB C That has USB C So if you want to plug That case into the wall you can and then you can plug either the booster or the pin with the booster on it in there

And then I'll close and that'll charge Those are those are all the ways you can charge and this is currently sitting at it's so warm for no reason what's my battery 87 booster 14 okay remember earlier we were at like yeah now it's 14 and the normal battery went down from 87 yeah Can I feel how warm it is? Not outside here? Sorry, I'm going in your shoulder a little. HR. It's like, it's not crazy warm, but it's enough of a warm. Yeah, like there's just something about something with a battery feeling that warm against your skin.

And it's the weight of it. And it's just a little bit of like thinking. Yeah. Jacket, maybe not so bad the pictures and video thing reminds me of beam remember it whereas like to take the photo where you can't really frame it you had to stick your phone against your chest so that you couldn't see the frame and that's how it would take it and automatically post like yeah you don't get to see this it takes like three photos you know it's one of my saddest takeaways from this that smartphones are just like awesome

so good yeah and i know we're looking at like headsets and smart glasses and all these other and the rabbits just like a deck of cards stack and like the pin like we have all these other cool gadget experiments but like smartphones are good yeah it's gonna be hard to take out the smart it's gonna be hard And like, it will happen eventually. Maybe. Maybe. Will it? I don't know.

Smartphones are... I think it'll happen eventually. Breaking news. Marques Brownlee thinks smartphones are good. I'm just saying. In case you didn't know, man. I think that it's good that tech like this is being funded because exploring new concepts and ideas and form factors is good.

And then also, they invent new things. For example, the Vision Pro, there had never been a micro LED display that had been that dense ever. They had to invent a new screen technology. For this, that projector is pretty sick. Dude, that projector, like, I mean, conceptually it might be a little flawed, but to pull off a laser projector that small yeah with that thanks with that sort of focal distance yeah is there's two mirrors in

there it bounces twice from the diode before coming out the projector on this thing is actually pretty impressive i had extremely little faith but but you can see it very well. Controlling it is a whole other story. I think that's kind of clunky, but being able to see it in bright light- You can see it in the sunlight? Is pretty- We've been doing it in here with the huge windows behind us,

and I've never had an issue seeing it. That's pretty crazy. Also, to get a little more focal, they have that mirror system, and your shirt moves. You walk around like that's not, that's like a feat, you know, that they accomplished. Yeah. Again, hardware on this is great.

I think it looks kind of like an Apple Watch with a forehead, but the actual hardware, like the hand feel of it, everything of it feels super premium. And it seems like they put a wild amount of work into making it do what it does and the the the idea of a a mobile computer that it is impossible to doom scroll on yeah good that's good right that is good i think that in almost every category in tech there's things that have to walk so that something else can run. And like, you know. This is crawling, baby.

This is the very beginning. The fish first out of water. For sure. Slugging across the shore. This fish doesn't have lungs yet. It's like, whoa. It's gasping. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't know. I mean, it's good that we're experimenting, but it's the very beginning of this like AI push. And maybe we see that almost none of this AI stuff is that handy, but, or at least in a hardware format. We'll see. I am interested to see when more people get this

and figure some more things out about it. Because like, I do think it's really easy for a company to make something and be in love with it and think everything is amazing. And then maybe don't do a very good job of showing off what it's like, but then it gets into the hands of people who will just put it through the ringer and like maybe find some really cool things. So in a few months,

maybe some people find some really interesting things to do about it. Don't know if that will save everything we talked about today, but the fact that it takes a few months is fascinating. Cause like, I think you should owe any new form factor you think you'll have like a killer app app meaning like physical application like with the headset on the killer app is i can put you in another world right now okay sure i'll try it the with the ipod you had the killer app with the boosted board you had a killer app like all these form factors had a killer app. And with this pin, what's the killer app?

I don't know. Yeah. I do think there is this weird tension between privacy and usefulness. Oh, yeah. I totally agree. In a perfect world, if we didn't give any care about privacy whatsoever

and the camera was always recording, right? Or at least taking like an image every 15 seconds so that at any time you could just be like, ah, where are my keys? Where are my keys? They're on the couch. Boom. That'd be great.

It listens to every conversation that you have. Are you saying you want a better Google clip? Google clips, yeah. Well, think of the human version of that. The human's on your shoulder all the time. So the second you put your keys down, he noticed. Yeah. There's another AI product coming out soon, I think, called the Rewind Pendant.

And it does exactly that. Sounds like from Harry Potter or something. Yeah. It, like, hangs in the center of your chest. And it has a little camera. And then it records all audio and all video of everything that you do all day does it die in like an hour yeah and what storage system do you need to it's all it's like uploaded to the cloud of your phone or something local on your phone yeah local entirely local on your phone you have to just dump so it's privacy for you, but for nobody else. Wow.

So I don't think we're ever going to live in that world, even if that's the most ideal world, because that's the world in which this would be helpful. And that's kind of an allegory to all of this like large language model technology is that it just needs more information. Like you were saying, if it has all the information about you all the time, then it's great. And that's why I think that Google is probably in the best position of all of these companies because they have all of these services that just have all your information. You just press once, you just tap allow Google to access

everything about you. Yes. Boom. Great AI product. But anything that's third party that's not based on your accounts is going to have a hard time. The philosophy of this product feels like a lot of Apple engineers worked on it. It's like a beautiful hardware device that like they expect you to use exclusively. You know, like it plugs into other things. Oh, there it is. It plugs into other things, but they really want, like they expect you to just use this, not your phone. It doesn't connect with your phone.

You get a whole new number. You know, it's very Apple-y. It is confusing because I still don't think they say that you shouldn't use your phone but at the same time they make it like you shouldn't use your phone yeah it's confusing i'm a little i don't understand how they couldn't figure out text message forwarding or something like that i just connect to your phone i it's insane i actually think this would have a lot more life breathed into it if it was a companion to your 100 agree yeah if it was like a accessory it can still have its own number and stuff for if there's times where you decide you don't want to bring your phone but then if like

because there's the the apple watch can do that right so this is this is the big thing with the apple watch versus other watches and part of the lawsuit was that the apple watch can has your same phone number when you add cellular to it but no other smart watches with lte can do that only the apple watch can that's why that was part of the the lawsuit but this is the thing the apple watch it has the same phone number as you so why can't this do it i think like this might be philosophical but if we look at this more in the vein of this is a future form factor that you might wear all the time like smart glasses or vision pro for example vision pro does not connect to your phone and i think if they set the precedent now that it connects your phone you'll never be okay with it not connecting your phone so you're saying so if it connects your phone now

and they aim for you to in five years use it totally separate from your phone and you announce it no longer connects your phone you that just doesn't fly i like want to argue with you even though i know that doesn't mean that's what you think it should do but right i mean cool it it's got to make it that long then and i think if it's right now in a position where it's not connected to your phone maybe someone in the comments can be like what they're really excited to use this for and what they plan on actually changing in their life because of it but like yeah i have such a hard time telling anyone to even think about yeah purchasing this yeah i i want i would think that within a year or so they will get purchased by another company for the hardware technology and that's pretty much it for the

talent the intellectual property and the hardware design yeah yeah the projector specifically fair enough yeah well i do think we should let them continue to develop and hope they get that far we should take a break we've gone for an eternity on this i am working on the full review so hopefully on the main channel soon you'll hear a succinct version of my thoughts and my experience using the Humane Pin. But we still have headlines in a hat over there. I see some headlines in a hat. So we're going to take a quick break. And before that, we should do some trivia.

Howdy, friends. So our audience responded just so positively to our crazy frog question two weeks ago. So I decided to go back to the YouTube top 30 all time list for another banger of a question of the top 30 YouTube videos, the top 30 most viewed YouTube videos of all time, how many are not music videos, songs, music videos, or content for young children? Of the top 30. Of the top 30. How many are not songs, music videos, or content for young children? And before you ask me to define content for young

children you know exactly what the hell you know exactly what the hell i'm talking about yeah well i like baby shark that is that is a song a music video and content for small children there are a few on the list that are all three. That is correct. Yeah, there's definitely some K-pop. How many are K-pop is my question. K-pop. Okay, I have a guess. We'll probably all have guesses. We'll think about it. We'll be right back. Support for the show today comes from NetSuite. Anxious about where the economy is headed? You're not alone.

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Exciting. Since this is just an abbreviated section of the podcast instead of the whole episode today, we're going to do like a reaction style headlines in a hat. So we're going to get the headline and then I want everyone's one sentence reaction. How does that sound? We have a lot of headlines.

I want everyone to know that Marques thought about this during the commercial break. I think it's a good idea yeah we're probably six hours into this week's pod so i think it's a good idea all right uh first headline reads tesla robo taxis i think the headline in full i'll find it i'm like imagining the one sentence as like we need to each say a sentence and go around like the create your own story with one word. Are not ever going to come out. All this really is, is Elon Musk says Tesla will reveal its robo taxi on August 8th. That's the headline. What's your one sentence?

Nice flick. My one sentence reaction. What the hell is even that? What about model two? Well, that got uh okay is that supposed to be me now yeah oh canceled i think we'd teamwork that pretty well yeah yeah alternate headline reaction what year okay wait it just says april 8th it doesn't say yeah that would be really funny august august sorry they theoretically canceled the model 2 project yeah uh no 25 000 taxi car and the robo taxis are probably going to

be scary they've been telling people they've been saying robo taxis are just your car but with self-driving so like what what do you mean how are they announcing it i don't know what the hell this is the longest run-on sentence that's between three people no i'm just kidding i don't know i think we should say this was me trying to reach the word limit in high school yeah google ai editing features comes to google photos called it includes magic editor magic eraser photo and blur portrait light oh so it's coming to google photos for free for everybody for free and google photos like online uh yeah well yeah dope on that that's my one word that's okay dope my sentence is caveat colon uh their hardware requirements so on chrome os you have to have a chrome book plus device

what with three gigs of ram or higher and chrome os version 119 118 or higher you have to have a phone with android 8.0 or ios 15 or higher that's my sentence can i redo my sentence what if i'm on ios ios 15 or higher so it has to be Chrome OS on a computer? No, if you're doing it on Chrome OS. Oh, okay. So this all tells me that there is some local processing happening as well as the cloud, which is surprising to me. Anyway, Marques needs a reply to this. Ah, just like clockwork.

True. Everything Google eventually becomes free and comes to everybody okay in exchange for all your data quest three gets lying down mode my one sentence my legs meta colon thank god for vision pro for beta testing what we need to do to make a very popular vr headset nice yeah yeah is it your turn or my turn uh you know i've got one it didn't have that question mark why would i like why would i need you couldn't lay down in the quest before? I'm sure it's trying to look and see the ground through the bottom and once you lie down it can't see the ground and it's confused.

That would be my guess is that the floor detection is such an integral part to the meta quest OS that this is quest 3 by the way it already got pushed to quest 2 like a few weeks ago which is ironic. Marques what's to Quest 2 a few weeks ago. Thank you. Which is ironic. Marques, what's your sentence?

Not going to use that. You're not going to lay in bed and watch Dune 2? No. I might lean back in a chair, but on the ground? Marques is watching Dune confirmed. Not on the ground. In bed, I guess. I guess.

I would do that. Why? Lay on the ground with a VR headset? I could do whatever the hell i want the vr headset i'm not on the ground i'm in the vr apple publishes paper on ferret ui uh apple's teaching an ai system to make sense of app screens could power an advanced siri wait can i go first sure i'm giving my sentence to david so he can have two sentences okay because i feel like you're i'm giving my sentence to david so three sentences wow incredible no i'm taking mine back actually so you have to okay uh all right careful siri can now see stuff in your world your sentence can still be in like flowing english oh okay okay rabbit's entire concept was supposed to be to be able to make sense of apps and act for you, comma.

Now, Siri or whatever, iOS may be able to make sense of your apps, et cetera, comma. And therefore, it may be able to act on actions much like a large action model might, period. Sentence one. Sentence two. Oh, wait wait can i take my sentence back just kidding now you keep going i mean i'll do two and then you can take one okay perfect um this is what we would say would this is what we said would happen that's that's what

and my third sentence is uh rabbit said that they patented the hell out of this period i mean comma so what's gonna happen now question mark yeah yeah ellipses yeah i would say um this is what rabbit was afraid of semi-colon i bet Apple's lawyers will find a way to do this without infringing any of Rabbit's patents. Yeah. That's my sentence. Also, between Rabbit and Humane... Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. How many sentences?

Ask how many sentences. If these both flop, at least Rabbit already sold like 100,000 of them and we'll get a bag on it. Do you know how many Humane sold? I don't think they made that public i don't think they will should damn seven hundred dollars yeah it's seven hundred dollars the rabbit one was in is it was close enough to the like this looks fun and interesting and is teenage engineering ask and it's two hundred dollars it's not a subscription

and it's not the commitment is two hundred dollars and you just get the toy, and you play with it. And if you hate it, it sucks, and throw it away. Yeah. If you buy the Humane Pin, it's $700, and a contract, and a new phone number, and new people have a new phone number for you, and you pay $24 a month for however long. Yeah. Yeah. That's a commitment. Just saying.

Okay, that's a lot of sentences. Wait, don't I get a sentence? I didn't get a sentence. Oh, yeah, so do you. Why? My sentence is, both Apple and Rabbit picked stinky animals. Are rabbits stinky? Ferrets are stinky.

Yes, both. Stinky. Probably because they don't take showers. Says who? Ferrets take like dust baths. No, those are chinchillas. What's a dust? We got to get through this.

Google it if you're curious. I know I will. I love dust baths no those are chinchillas what's a dust no we got to get through google it if you're curious yeah i know i will i love good dust baths beeper acquired by automatic yes sorry pronounce it are there two t's in automatic yeah there are wait in in the company name not in the actual okay word yeah that was my sentence well that was just the headline oh he's an automatic okay did they spell that right my was beeper the one that signed you in in eastern europe no no that was the other one that was um doesn't matter sunbird okay which got obliterated and is apparently coming back by the way i saw a headline about they're not buried under nothing's headquarters? They should be. Okay, my sentence is, Beeper was acquired by the people who make WordPress and Tumblr,

comma. They are now merging with text.com, which was basically the alternative form of Beeper. And now Beeper is open to everybody so they had a 450 000 dollar dollar person wait list that is now just open to everyone that's my sentence my sentence is i don't get it just use whatsapp we really want to go down this road. I'm content farming, guys.

Maybe I should just try one of these things. Because I don't understand it. That's not fun. I just... I get the idea. All messages in one inbox.

You don't get iMessage back. You don't get iMessage. You made it this far. Why even... It's like a consolidation platform that takes everything from Instagram DMs to LinkedIn DMs. I prefer the context switching to be honest.

I also do. They also make Pocket Casts. Yeah, automatic. I didn't know that. They own it. They own own it they didn't make it right they've acquired a lot of stuff yeah i didn't know that was part of their port yeah they've got an incredible portfolio i love my sentence this is good for open ecosystems yeah because they a lot of their like philosophy is things like that pocket cast tumblr and

wordpress they're all very open and now they've bought peeper which is nice yeah leave that in google vids google vids okay uh this one google just unveiled google vids which is effectively google slides but for video So effectively, you can collect a bunch of assets from Google Drive and turn them into a video. And the aim is to make it as easy as possible to create a video dash. It's very workspacey slash like corporate in the way that the point is that you can collect a bunch of assets and

then do like a voiceover or record from your webcam. And they just make an incredibly simple UI that allows you to do like a little two minute tutorial that you can share with your team or that kind of thing. Because most people don't have, you know, video creation features. And what they're probably doing right now is pointing their phone at a screen and it's just terrible. Semi-call. Semi-call. Semi-call. Actually, yes, semi-call. I think that we helped develop this question.

Well, I can't use a question mark because that's the end of the sentence. Develop this, because a year ago, Google called me and asked me about our video production process and specifically about the video editing workflows that we use. Lots of companies ask about that, and then they just don't do anything useful. They said they were making a video editing app, and that's what this is. So that sounds like Google because when they talked to me originally,

it sounded like they were trying to make a Final Cut competitor, but then it became corporate. Yeah, they're like, we can't sell ads in this yeah let's change it so uh my sentence yeah start the countdown timer i genuinely believe this will be dead this is in a brutal mood i read the headline for. I was like, this one's gone in three years. 100%. I'd put money on it. I have one. Cool for teachers. Yeah.

Yeah, they can send it to their students. Clara's done so many quick video things for her students, especially when they were doing remote stuff. This would be huge for teachers. I'm going to try to keep this to a sentence, but I hard disagree with you marquez i think this is their cap cut how tiktok has cap cut a video editing thing yeah but it i'm sorry because you yeah i was just gonna say this is their version of that like i could

see them but it's not for like making videos for social media it's specifically how do you like they could just easily add a template that's vertical and for social i mean you have to pull in things from like google drive okay i think both of you can be right this could be the next big thing but when it becomes it they'll name it something else and kill google oh yeah i just i think that there's a lot of assuming they the team is funded enough to continue adding features through the three year lifespan it will have. I do think there's a lot of niches it can fill. Like there's just a lot of like weird online video editing apps that do like very specific things. Like have you guys ever used headliner before? No.

It's like a pretty popular one where it's for podcasters. So you like connect it with your RSS feed. It automatically pulls the art. You give it a time code of your last episode and it automatically generates you a video with captions for social media. And I think if they can build little features into it like that to fill these like very niche uses, it'll be a pretty essential part of the G Suite.

I actually think it could be really cool for a lot of different scenarios. Yeah, for teachers, it would be great. So, yeah, maybe as like a competitor to iMovie, but maybe as like, yeah, like fill in these niche video tools. Also, the boop was not a punctuation mark. So this is probably still one sentence. Also, it's all online, which is really cool. Like you just do it all in the cloud. And I don't know, as part of the Google One workspace,

I feel like it makes a lot of sense. Is that what it's called now? I think it's great. I just. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. If it doesn't make a billion dollars. Yeah.

Hey, look, I got one headline left in the hat is it my turn put that on i don't know sure all right here's the last headline oh this is the shortest one ah google gemini 1.5 pro can now understand audio. My sentence is, the spaghetti was like one year ago. True. I think it was less than that. Sorry. You can TLDR waveform. Don't give them ideas. Listen to the whole thing.

Twice. Well, hey. That's the last headline. We did it. Thank you for listening to this extensive six-hour special version of Waveform. six hour special version of waveform for making it to the end we offer you the

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yeah I think it's trivia time cool i forgot about the snickerdoodle thing really threw me off quick update on the score marquez in the lead with six andrew and david bringing up the rear with five each. Yeah. You want your answer? Crazy. Thank you. Okay, first question. How many teeth do adult humans have? Google Jamboard. Pixel Pass. And remember, these are Price is Right rules.

Guess too many teeth and you're out. Google OnHub. Google Stadia. Thread It. Thread It? Thread It. When was that? Killed over one year ago.

Thread It was a tool for recording and sharing short videos. It was almost two years old. Google Vids got killed already? Already got killed. Interesting. Oh my God god flip them and read what do you got oh boy wow we all counted very differently we all have a delta of two marquez let me count your teeth i just counted i have 28 or i had 28 are you sure about that so i said 28 you had 28 i had 28 now i. According to my count. My count was with my tongue.

I don't know. 28 is my answer. 28 is below the correct answer. That's good. David, what do you have? 30. 30 is also below the correct answer, which puts you ahead of Marquez. Andrew.

32. Which is the exact number of teeth in your mouth. Best counter in waveform. That's what I was going to guess, but I wanted to lowball it. 32 teeth. Let's go. A good strategy, David, but I wanted to lowball it. 32 teeth. Let's go. A good strategy, David, but unfortunately. We've got great white sharks out here.

Hold on. We all counted our teeth and all got different answers? I didn't count my teeth. I tried, and I couldn't tell the difference if my teeth just kind of had a little wavy part or if it was a separate tooth. Yeah, I gave up. I also didn't count my teeth because I knew the answer. I thought it was 32.

I just got the same number again. You better call that. Are you sure they didn't take eight? Are you sure they didn't take a couple extra out? That earthquake knocked a couple. That would explain the massive cavity. Wow. Yeah.

Dang. Okay. Well, fair play, Andrew. Well played. Okay. Good job. Tied for lead now, right? Or is Marquez two ahead of me?

No, you're tied in first place. You carried the one, bro. Is this also Price is Right rules for this next one? No. Got to get the exact number? I don't know. What do you got? I can...

What is the question? Should we do... Why don't we do... Closest Delta? Yeah, let's do Closest Delta for this one. I like that. All right. So of the top 30 most viewed YouTube videos of all time,

how many are not songs, music videos, or content for young children? YouTube Go. Android Auto for phone screens. Angular JavaScript. Cameos on Google. Android Things. Google My Business. I was on a plane today.

I'm feeling a little loopy. Google Duo. Material Gallery. Google Toolbar. What about Allo or Inbox? Next week. Next week. I'm glad this is a bit.

All right. What do we got? All right. Wow. Marquez. Marquez. I said one. David. Three. I said said zero that is correct wait wait wait wait i erased it oh i'm a i'm a dummy why i was thinking me at the zoo was

no it's not that That's a music video. Top 30? We're talking like 2 billion plus every single one. Yeah, the 30th... Andrew over here. I felt like Zero is either like feels like a genius or what an idiot answer. You actually... It's the number 30, which is Lean On by Major Lazer, has 3.57 billion views. So you got to really rack them up to make this list.

I actually wrote zero and erased it, but I should have gotten that right. And that's on me. When you erased it, were there videos you thought were in? No, because I knew the fact that almost every single one is a music video. And I was like, how many are not music videos?

And I knew like Peppa Pig, there's a couple. And I was like, there's probably like four. But then I remember you said also children's content. And I'm like Peppa Pig, there's a couple and I was like, there's probably like four. But then I remember you said also children's content and I'm like, dang, I think all of them are either children's content or music videos.

I was like, but it can't be all of them. So I put one. But yeah, well played, Andrew. Thank you. That's a good answer. You all thought about a lot of YouTube.

I thought about how's Alice gonna screw us over on this one. I might have to start thinking about that. Yeah, you're smart about that. Play the game. I don't usually do trick questions.

I play a fair game of trivia. My point this week suggests otherwise. On that note, we will wrap up the pod. Thanks again for watching and listening. Snickerdoodle, we appreciate you. Subscribe. Catch you next one. Peace.

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