Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast - Threads is Meta's New Twitter Killer

Episode Date: July 7, 2023

This was a crazy week for social media apps, but first the gang talks about the Zenfone 10 now that Andrew has had a chance to use it for a week or two. Then they talk about YouTube testing and Twitter implementing a (temporary?) rate limit on the same Reddit officially started charging for its API. After that, it's all about Threads. The new Twitter-clone that that Meta just launched which Marques had early access to for the last few days. He gives his first impressions on the app and talks about what makes it interesting before we end it all with some trivia. Follow us on Threads if you have the app! Links below. Topics discussed: MrWhosetheBoss video: https://bit.ly/mrwhosethebosssmallphones YouTube blocking ads: https://bit.ly/youtubeblockingads Bloomberg Threads in the EU: https://bloom.bg/439Pji5 Shop products mentioned:  ASUS Zenfone 10 at https://geni.us/XpzHtl Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Threads: Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https:https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/ TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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This is for you. The Canadian Armed Forces. A message from the Government of Canada. Alright, what is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts, I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David.

And we've compiled, we've been taking notes this whole week about what we wanted to talk about. And it's turned out this is mostly a social media episode. We have a lot to say about a lot of different social networks. Starting with Google Plus, of course, is the hottest one. Just kidding. YouTube fighting some things. Twitter fighting some things. Reddit fighting some things.

Instagram fighting some things, Twitter fighting some things, Reddit fighting some things, Instagram fighting some things. But first, we want to talk about the Zenfone. You've been actually using the Zenfone alongside. I can officially say, so I've been using this for about two weeks now. Feels kind of cool. Somebody else, baby. Somebody else. I want to preface this by saying, also, this is the first non-Pixel phone I've used since the Pixel 3.

The 3 is when I switched to the Pixel lineup, and I've only used Pixel since then. So this is a fairly close to stock Android phone. Yes. How have you been finding the Zenfone 10? I will start it by saying I really appreciate it. Oh, you have all the fun colors. I was just showing the colors. Five colors this time?

Yeah, five colors. Blue, white, black, green green red yes blue is hot blue is hot and by hot i mean really subtle it's really cool actually red is really quite bright that's warm yeah yeah i like it the green is like a like bright pine green yeah i've been using the green i think we kind of were wondering if which one's gonna fade the worst cuz remember the Zenfone 9 had like Yeah, say terrible fading. I do think this back material is gonna not fade as bad They said they made the material better from last year, right? Yeah. Yeah, actually I said that Yeah, so I'll start that just my like summary of the phone Okay, which is I love the Zenfone 9

Shamelessly like one of my favorite phones ever it won my small phone of the year last year and i could only really come up with maybe two nitpicks about that phone one is it didn't have wireless charging they added it to this phone so it's got 30 watt 30 watt wired 15 watt wireless boom they did that epic the other nitpick was the back material just like faded so hard i had a red phone within a month keep in mind you own a phone for years. Within a month, my phone was dark and used looking. Really used. But not in a good way. Yeah, I'm thinking

after a year, two years, three years, this phone's going to look crazy. It probably bottoms off after a while, but that was a legit nitpick I had. This phone still feels kind of the same. Like it's a soft touch. It's got a little texture to it.

But they told me it's a different material. So I said, oh, okay, it's a different material. It hopefully is a better aging, more durable material. And so far that's felt like it's held up to be true as well. So I no longer have anything negative to say at all about this phone that's literally just has like the tiniest littlest nitpicks for me but this phone is incredible i mean that's kind of how i feel i those two things i agree with i said the wireless charging was a deal breaker for me and i was like man if this had wireless charging now i would use it and

here we are i'm using it and i do agree i've i mean i take this to the climbing gym it gets chalk all over it i throw it on the ground i've seen very little wear on the back of it and the green's really light so i feel like it could show where very easily i was hoping i had it with me on you know some hiking over the last week but i didn't um so i didn't get to see if it got that dirty from there for those of you out of the loop andrew i said was on vacation when we recorded last week but then his flight got canceled and now it's a different time. Yeah, it was terrible. So he's back.

It was rough. He's back. We're rescheduling it, but we're back. I'm happy to be here. And, but yeah, so, so far, like you said, I've loved it. It has wireless charging. The size I'm getting used to, because I'm not used to something small, which I think, let's take a minute.

We were arguing about this beforehand. What did you say? Someone said on YouTube youtube so there were a lot of comments um i don't know if it was from your tweet when it got announced or something but a lot of people are saying like this is a misconception this is not a small phone we are talking about relative to any other mostly phone any other android phone you can get right now it's like one of the smallest ones specifically with flagship specs it is definitively i'm pretty sure i can say it's definitively the smallest phone with the snapdragon 8 gen 2 yeah and it is definitely the smallest flagship phone you can get that doesn't fold in half the iphone se is technically slightly smaller

yeah but that's not a flagship phone as someone who's used a lot of phones too like when i type on this phone the keyboard feels a little bit small sometimes i agree do you have it wait wait before we go forward yeah i also think one of the complaints of that though was comparing it to the iphone mini when it is closer it is closer to the size of a regular iphone than the ip mini, but it was being compared to that just because it is one of the smaller Android devices. Sure. The iPhone is a smaller iOS device. The iPhone mini, which is no longer made.

When it was out, it was by a landslide the smallest flagship phone you could get. Currently, it is small is what we're trying to say. It is a small phone. Yes, it is a small phone. It is my front runner for smallest, best small phone of the year again right now now do you think this would be a front runner for just overall best phone of the year so here's where it gets interesting value so i think yes for best value 699 right yes the same same price last year awesome awesome value literally incredible battery life yeah really good cameras i think in order to be like an overall MVP best phone,

it's a little more blurry. Like I think you could argue on impact or on overall like sentiment about a phone. Yes, it's right there. But I would also want slightly better cameras. I would want slightly better. I dig the cameras a lot. So I think the cameras are good,

but I think they're B plus to A minus good where the absolute cream of the crop the s23 ultras the ones that have a telephoto camera the iphone 14 pros the pixel pro those are gonna be those are gonna be a bit better i mean it doesn't have a telephoto i think that's just one thing it's lacking and it's a small phone and that would be a lot of room to take up but it's not like a flagship camera system it's right underneath one so it's not going to be the best phone of the year but it is good at everything it does it also has a headphone jack on the top i just want to do a quick rundown of like what's inside this phone right yeah snapdragon 8 gen 2 wireless charging

it's 5.9 inches 144 hertz ip68 headphone jack 30 watt charging like very durable it's got basically everything that anyone ever asked for and the fact that the battery life is so good when it when it makes no sense so i'll say for my battery life i it's the middle of the day i'm at 47 percent that's because i haven't charged it since yesterday morning it's incredible it really is i'm a day and a half in it almost half battery you said 144 hertz I will mention it is almost never 144 hertz

okay so you can put it at auto and it will go up to 144 hertz only when Game Genie has told it that it is playing a game that can take advantage of 124 hertz

not even on like the home screen not only yeah does it do 120 all the time well I don't care it's just like they get to say 144 on the press materials but it's 120 I mean 120 is perfectly fine it's 120 all the time well i don't care so it's just like they get to say 144 on the

press materials but it's 120 i mean 120 is perfectly fine great that's a great photo this is low light at coney island the other night that's a really good picture low light photo yeah i was very impressed i've always really liked asus's cameras even when i did like the zen phone 5 or 6 review way back in the day, they don't lean super hard into like computational photography HDR stuff, which I think is a strong suit for them because it gives them a little more contrast or a little sharper.

There's less noise reduction. Yeah. I think they do well in the test every year as well. Like it is potentially one of the top four or five phones in this blind or it gets knocked out by the winner and puts up a fight against it which is i think a lot of people would argue like oh so okay why is it not one of the

best flagship cameras it still has to compete with ultra wide so let's compete with telephoto still has to compete with video it does have it has no telephoto it does have really really great stabilization right which should be obvious if you look at the giant camera module almost to the point where it's like it's like too finicky about being like no no you weren't perfectly still maybe you should take that picture again and i'll look at it be like that looks totally fine but now i'm worried about it i remember i just remember walking around just taking like handheld video just like normal not thinking too hard about it and i played it one played it back it was just like normal 4k 30 not

even the super smooth mode and it was just remarkably smooth and i was like this is as good as i'd want it it's really good yeah six nine and i i still am like how did they get the 699 price point it's crazy that's so crazy it's not gonna sell well this is my thing is like and actually aaron he made a video where most of his video was about how this phone won't sell well and i kind kind of tend to agree. But I am so happy that Asus has continued to spend on and make money or to make the effort to make this phone good and small because it takes extra work and extra engineering to fit it in a small space and still make it so good.

And it's going to be in the US this year. They're actually going to launch at quarter three. That's epic. Which is cool. I don't know if it's going to be in a bunch of carrier stores or maybe just one or two that would be nice but yeah it's it's not going to oversell the big screen because what do people like buying big screen big screen so yeah i don't know claire's using an s10e and she was like i want this as my next phone s10e is a really good parallel because this also has the fingerprint reader power button it really is

oh my god this is the s10e yeah stays with the headphone jack yeah uh s10e also have the corner hole punch yeah yeah yeah remember the um big hero 6 wallpaper we used exactly yeah so that that's a good i think that's a good parallel yeah um but overall love it it's getting it took me a little while to get used to a smaller phone because i've always used bigger ones um my tiny gripes are the fingerprint sensor I miss under the screen just because when I grab it with my left hand, even though I've used my pointer finger as a fingerprint unlock, it's not great at figuring that out.

And then it has that side swipe thing you can use, but you can only launch apps in it in floating windows, which I just like let me open a full screen app from that. Because I like to. It's like a quick, it's like a one-handed mode. Yeah, it's like the quick actions from the side and you can either do like settings toggles on it or also apps, but they're always windowed.

So then you have to open it and then like click the big button because I hate using windowed apps on a phone. Got it. They're just not my. On an already small phone. On an already small phone. On an already small phone. Maybe the idea is that it's sort of like Arc where you're like opening a window temporarily

and then you're closing it quickly. I think like the best version would be like you have an app already and you're like, I need to throw the calculator app up and do it really quick and then like click out of it. That's kind of cool. And that makes sense. It's a cool idea.

I just don't. Yeah, I get you. If it was full screen, that seems like a really simple addition it could do would be awesome. To be able to do that every time we like toggles add toggles again what was the um the pixel fold thing it's the same give me the option to have a separate layout on the inside and outside just to just to toggle yeah just it doesn't have to be on by default just let me toggle it yeah yeah we like android because it's customizable like those are simple ones we like

toggles yeah toggle me moral of the story all right moving on youtube is testing blocking a video entirely if you have an ad blocker installed i wouldn't run it but this is the thing about these headlines is whenever i see a headline that says YouTube is testing, I kind of just wait. Because YouTube tests a lot of crazy things. A lot of the, some things do make it. YouTube was testing removing a dislike counter and it made it to the top and they disliked it.

YouTube was testing, you know, some other weird things that eventually made it to the top. But YouTube also tests like insane things that they just want to see if it'll work with like a fraction of a percent of people, and then it goes away. So I don't know how far in the testing process this one has made it.

Seems like it's still not fully rolled out, but yeah, you know, social media companies like to protect the way they make money. So if you have an ad blocker, you're not making them any money. That's the thing. How many things do they test that are directly affecting their bottom line?

Like YouTube offers an insane amount of stuff with free video uploads and essentially unlimited space for anybody so like they need to make money and i'm not gonna sit here and like totally defend youtube they have plenty of money but it's their whole business exactly i'm i would be pretty surprised if this doesn't push forward. Yeah. Yeah. I will also say I've had YouTube premium for so long that I forgot there were ads on YouTube. I was guilty of that for a while too, yeah. And I know that for one person, it's kind of expensive, but you can have up to six people in your Google family plan and it's only like $3.80 a month per person if you have all six people in your family plan.

You split it between everybody, right? It's funny how we think about these prices. It's only $3.80 for no ads on an unlimited video supply of the entire internet. You don't have to go to college for $3.80 a month. That's it. One person has to pay and everyone pays them back.

Just checking. It's the smart way of doing it. If you work for YouTube, you didn't just hear that no no we are we are family um we are to describe how it seems like they're testing it though essentially if you were to try and play a video with an ad blocker on rather than immediately just block videos entirely it they give you like three chances with a screen that says like they designed a whole thing yeah yeah because they they want to like push people towards like why they're doing this and it says it looks like you may be using an ad blocker playback will be blocked unless youtube's allowed

on the is disabled on the ad blocker list um or you can use youtube premium so trying to push it towards that also with a like creators still get paid from your subscription. So more along the lines of like, help your creator friends. Yeah. Yeah. This is. Exactly. But also us. Yeah.

I will say like, it felt like the earlier internet, we, everyone was like, oh, ads suck. Like get away from ads. Like get,

you know, use ad blockers. Well, I think people are a little more open to like seeing ads because we kind of zone them out a little bit more now. Like even banner ads on websites like i don't even really notice anymore and then like youtube video the thing with youtube video ads though is i was so used to not seeing them for so long and then sometimes i

go into incognito mode to watch a youtube video because i don't want it to double ads yeah at the beginning double ads at the beginning they're both 30 seconds i'm like yeah this is like a three minute video and i'm watching one minute of ads yeah i also agree with you and like being more okay with ads just because more and more of how the internet is working is without pay creators those ads is like you're not getting the people creating those so like if it was going to meta i would like block the ads but if it's going to creators i'm like yeah it's going to creators or like if you think of your favorite tech blog like nine to five mac or verge or something like that it's like i'm going to put those on my like i use an ad block but i also use the whitelist feature very like cognizantly of like making sure that

the people i want to keep reading are whitelisted from that so they make money and i can keep reading because so many places are shutting down now because they're losing money and i'm sure a lot of those places are scared of these ai things taking all their information yeah and this is this is even beyond just online video like we just saw a whole bunch of espn layoffs how many ads do you see on espn like when you watch tv aren't there like four consecutive minutes of ads or something like that for every 10 minutes of tv something crazy yeah and they're still like ah yeah we're out of money for you sorry i know that like spongebob episodes they have two episodes or they have one episode and fit within a 15 minute

block but then like four or five minutes of that is ads so a spongebob episode is actually like 11 minutes long wow which is so short most television yeah like a lot of episodes yeah it's crazy like when you watch a 30 minute tv episode you only watched a 21 minute thing yeah and most of like a lot of ads i feel so old that we're explaining how commercials and spongebob was as kids like and that kids there are people listening to this i don't understand yeah yeah so kids for those of you who don't know there's a thing called linear television where you don't get to choose where you are in the video ever it's just playing non-stop and you don't get to hit pause well i in the video ever. It's just playing nonstop. And you don't get to hit pause. Well, I guess maybe you could.

Which is what Pluto TV is now. But then unskippable ads would just play back to back to back to back to back to back. Unskippable ads. Yeah. Then you'd move on and watch the rest. Commercial break. That's what it's called. Yeah.

It's like when we go to break, but we don't really have commercials. Well, sometimes we do, I guess. Well, speaking of breaks, let's take a quick ad break wow and then we'll come back and we'll talk more about social media but of course we have this little fun thing that we do for ad breaks which is trivia trivia

it's way better than spongebob can you remind us of the score the score Andrew got a lot of points last week he wants to press that in. Marquez with 19. David with 23. Andrew with 20.

20 club. Rude. This is going to be rough when I lose both of these. Can we clip that? Can we clip that for later? Marquez, I wouldn't have done that high five if I had known that he was just trying to put you in the shit.

20 club. First question. What was the first commercially available smartphone with wireless charging? Seeing as the Zenfone 10 now has wireless charging, what was the first one? I'm going to enjoy not being last for this one episode.

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Call 1-866-531-2600. Visit connectsontario.ca. All right, welcome back. So I have a question, and David, I promise this will make sense in a minute, but it might be confusing right now. Marques, Adam, free agency happened. It did. Well, last last week it popped off any were there any like cool fun things big trades blockbuster trades like interest you find it hard to follow

at all andrew's literally being like david i know you don't know sport okay okay but it will make sense it will roll into something we all understand you didn't know who wayne gretzky was the other day i'm not gonna ask if you paid attention to free agency. Continue, I'm sorry. That's fair. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying I'm a little hurt. Chris Paul got waived and he was technically a Washington wizard for a few days.

And then now he's on the Warriors, which is fascinating because he was like their biggest, not biggest rival. You're a big Chris Paul fan. Yeah, he was their rival and I was going to play for them. So you're a Warriors fan now? Well, I'll keep watching them play. It's tough being a West Coast, sorry, I'm tangenting already, West Coast basketball fan because all the games start at 10, 10.30 p.m.

You end up going to bed at like 2 a.m. Yeah, I want to watch some East Coast teams this year, but yeah, there were some moves. Have you heard of the Knicks? The New York Knicks, yeah, I've heard of them. We did make a good signing, though. Did you? Yeah.

Divenchenzo? Dante Divenchenzo. He's going to run your whole team? No, no, I've heard of them. We did make a good signing, though. Did you? Yeah. DiVincenzo? Dante DiVincenzo. He's going to run your whole team? No, no, no, no, no. But we got the core crew now. From the Villanova? Yeah, from the Villanova team that won. So I like it. It's fun.

They're going to keep winning. Naturally. So, question. When you're following free agency, how do you follow it? Alex. I was going to say, shout out to LockedOnNyx. Honestly, it's usually Twitter.

Or I'll open Instagram and it'll refresh and there'll be a Woj post at the top. Oh yeah, Woj is like, it was funny. Sorry, so there's this guy. Is that a real thing? Adrian Wojnarowski. Yeah, I'm going to butcher his name. What is it? He's a crazy reporter that he knows things before the players.

So he tweeted out like a week ago about one player that was like not getting their contract extended or something like that. And that player was like, thanks for the heads up. I had no idea. Oh, man. Yeah. So he knows things. He's inside. Well, so the reason you might be wondering why we're talking about this.

Yes. To me, the two best ways to follow free agency. I'm an NHL fan, not an NBA fan, but they they're like exactly the same. Yeah. This all happens on July 1st. And I follow all of it through Reddit and Twitter, which July 1st, Reddit and Twitter were very hard to follow on because Reddit lost all third party apps on July 1st. They all closed down.

And Twitter had a fun little rate limit feature, whatever you want to call it. The day of. July 1st for both of them. So I would like to talk about both of these and how annoying they were. Where do we start? Yeah, which would you like to talk about first,

Twitter or Reddit? First, I would like to say I do not know sports. first twitter or reddit first i would like to say i do not know sports but but i think that we should talk about reddit first cool for no reason i agree with that reason cool we've had it we talked brief well we talked in length about yes what reddit is doing yeah in a previous episode yeah um the update is that now they've gone through with actually nuking. We got to the limit for when they had to pay the bill, right? Yes, they didn't nuke. So they turned on the API cost thing.

Not all third-party apps shut down. I believe Bacon Reader is still around and said they are switching to a paid-only option very soon. Or was that relay for reddit i'm still using relay and have had no updates okay relay is still like on the fence but i think the most recent thing i saw about them is that they were like it's probably going to cost about seven dollars a month which might mean just shut down because that's expensive to ask for yeah i think we would probably pay that much yeah i would probably not want to pay more than five but i would seven's a lot of seven's a lot

of money per month but if you think about what has to go through play store and app store and by the time they make it back to uh like pay for these stupid api changes like yeah they're not totally sure yet um but apollo sync and reddit is fun all shut down they were gone end of june 30th over with um and i just have to say because of free agency i had to use the default app for a little bit and i previously had mentioned that it's very bad and now after using it for a weekend i think i need to make a small correction on that. It's really bad? It is so much f***ing worse than I thought it was. It is horrible. It is the worst experience I think I've ever dealt with

in an app. Have you used the default app? I have managed to avoid it so far. Oh my goodness. Look at scrolling through this. I'm in dark mode. Oh, I'm also in airplane mode, so that might take a second.

It's not loading any. I also want to make a quick correction that Bacon Reader did fully shut down. Relay for Reddit is still around for now, but they will be moving to a subscription model in the coming weeks. I'm so glad they're keeping it.

The developer is trying to get the API calls that they're using down as low as possible so they can charge as little as possible. Yeah. But we'll find out soon how much that actually, I've gotten a couple updates in the play store. And every time I see an update for really threaded, I'm like,

Oh no, what is it? I load up the, uh, the notes and it just says API optimization. So I'm like, Oh, okay.

Wow. Okay. Yeah. So it still works. Yeah. So, so this is, I just loaded up the hockey subreddit

it has a pin post at the top look in dark mode you like can't even tell where a new post starts oh yeah you see how bad this looks then a potential full page ad that's an ad this is an ad full page video ad um and then just like these terrible just everything looks that's a full page video ad yeah i mean i'm not logged in which i think would still be but look how many ads there are it's this is horrible it's just been my normal reddit experience well it sounds like that's probably why you don't like reddit very much if you're on android use relay for reddit it's in my opinion one of the best reddit apps that's ever been made and uh it's free it's still free for now so for now weirdly enough oh it's free for now i was using a relay pro i guess yeah because i paid for it yeah it's still free for now but they're going

to be moving to a subscription model they haven't announced the price yet but interesting they must be doing pretty well if they can take that time because they're getting charged they're starting to yeah i paid for relay pro but it was a one-time fee so yeah same yeah a couple bucks it was three dollars i think switch it there's still three dollars seven years ago yeah switch over the the scary part about all of this though is that like the more people that go over to these apps that didn't have as big of a user base before the more it's going to cost them yep and then the more likely it might just don't use real so don't it's awful it's the worst to use it um weirdly enough claire has reddit is fun on her phone and it still works and i read don't know how i read something that like there was some weird setting that reddit is fun still works for for some reason and but it's

going to get patched soon and it's gonna it's gonna get destroyed soon i'm sure it will she was i she told me she's like i've been using reddit and i was like no you haven't she's like no no i'm fine he's like you just haven't refreshed it yet like you probably it's just old stuff then she refreshes it right in front of me i was like can i borrow this for a minute i gotta get my fix in um so right now pretty much what i'm doing is i have the default app if i want to like really look at something but because i'm not logged in in the default app for me to go try and read comments on reddit is like a chore so i don't find myself like freely scrolling through it anymore okay so it logs you out but it still works so just clear so yeah apparently she doesn't log

into anything apparently it's reddit is fun currently is like basically just accessing the old reddit like public website and you and using that data somehow huh um yeah it says most likely using the dot json api which is still available anonymously so you can't you can't be logged in and use it which is annoying so it's basically just like a different interface to read the website i guess front page without being logged in and use it which is annoying so it's basically just like a different interface to read the website i guess front page without being logged in if you're poignant like if you're trying to go to a certain subreddit i guess that still would work okay because then you can just you have to search every time to be fair this is as of four days ago so maybe reddit patched it and yeah now they're shut down so it'll probably be on there but i mean like ultimately yeah so yeah

following nba free agency or nfl free agency on reddit would have been pretty tough this is like impossible but then there's twitter but then there's twitter there's twitter which is great all right so the twitter thing that happened um was on july 1st a lot of people might have seen this little notification pop-up that says rate limit exceeded and uh did any of you guys get it i did i have not got but i did it the the first thing when i woke up in the morning i opened twitter and i saw it i think it's within like 24 hours or whatever so i probably hit it the day before and then it went into effect um great notification prompt for people that have no idea what that means great

job elon uh but basically they they set this limit so that you can only read a certain number of posts. And they also, for some reason, made it so it was a different amount for Twitter Blue users. It was 10 times the amount for Twitter Blue users. It started as 600 for non-Blue users and 6,000 for Blue users. They are increasing it more and more over time. Elon said it was temporary. We'll see if it's temporary. Yeah.

They also didn't tell anyone until 1 p.m. Eastern, like the whole morning. The whole morning. And like I said, this is NBA and NHL free agency. There were like some of the biggest reporters that I follow trying to see stuff. They're just like, well, I guess you can look at all this on my myspace page because like this is not working and those people need to scour the internet to like look for breaking news and twitter's supposed to be the site of breaking news and now you're limiting i think that the reason that they turn this on was that they are trying to figure out what ai companies are scraping twitter without using the paid api because you can do Twitter without using the paid API because you can do that without using the

paid API using scraping services and technically it'll just like run through tweets really rapidly so you'll hit a wall really quickly whether or not they actually like make it a temporary thing or if they just have it for a very long period of time because they need to keep catching these companies I have

no idea yeah that that's a similar excuse to what Steve Huffman said it is no idea yeah that that's a similar excuse to what steve huffman said it is like which i think that's a like i do think it's a legit excuse agreed yeah but it sucks that like this new era of technology is coming in and it's basically completely destroying all the other stuff yeah it's destroying a lot of other users i'm sure woj hit his uh hit his rate limit for the thing about woj is he's on the phone, he's getting his info, and then he's just tweeting it. And so everyone who's trying to follow and refresh and find the latest stuff will hit their limits, probably, if they're not logged in or whatever. But yeah,

it's kind of like we constantly see Google and youtube like fighting their demons of like people trying to take advantage of this site in twitter's case it's people scraping or ai services scraping in youtube's case a lot of times it's spammers and scammers and things like that people making fake accounts so i could imagine like the brute force version of this on youtube would be like you left too many youtube comments rate limit exceeded and you're like what yeah what do you mean rate limit exceeded? I like going around and leaving comments on things, but it's like, well, spammers just go around and leave thousands of comments on things. So if we just set a hard cap before we think about it at all, that's at least a way to stop scammers from being so effective. And this is Twitter's version of that. It's like, wow,

people are going around scraping all of Twitter twitter pulling thousands of things off the site and whatever they're doing with it we're not getting paid yeah so we'll just set a hard limit and that's temporary we'll figure out a better way to do something else about it later in the future but for now some regular users are going to hit that limit too and oh well also all the tech vcs have all been like if you're hitting the rate limit then you need to go outside and touch grass. That was. And the funny thing about that is like, bro, you own this app. Like the point you are clearly just using that as an excuse because you're, you're,

you're trying to make us use the app as much as possible. So you can't just like turn around and be like, Oh, want us to use that? My app is too toxic for you. So you should go outside. Like, all right. I feel like like Elon's was like, we're not going to tell anyone, and they're going to just think Twitter broke. Then at 1 o'clock, I'm going to tell people it's a very small number,

and then everyone's going to complain. And then an hour later, I'm going to be like, well, hold on. We'll increase it. And then another hour later, he's like, okay, we'll increase it more. And then right after that, he's like, touch grass, losers. It's like, what is going on? how is this the pr cycle of twitter that's the elon cycle that's pretty much consistent with everything that's ever happened negatively to him so yeah it's just the i don't know i can't believe you don't announce it at first because everyone was very confused they just thought twitter was going down like they thought it was one of those days where twitter was just not gonna quite work it's a funny thing because some of these it's

funny that this coincidence it's like the how do i say this youtube also never tells anyone about the changes that it makes to stop spammers and scammers all the algorithmic changes it's a black box all the rule changes about things like that that you can't do with an account that you just made when we made a brand new account for this podcast we tried to upload and took like 24 hours to process i'm sure that's another rule we don't know about um but the reason they never announced those rules is so that those spammers and scammers cannot read the rule book and go how do i get around this because that's a guidebook for how you get around all those rules. Yeah. But it's a weird coincidence that with Twitter, this limit also coincided with regular users use where like a regular user could just be reading tweets and then hit the limit where like most of the

things with YouTube, it's like you can't leave 300 comments in an hour. Yeah. Okay. Well if you did, you'd think YouTube broke. Reddit couldn't leave any more comments yeah most regular people are never going to do that reddit has had that built

in since like the beginning like you can't leave like more than like three comments within like 10 minutes or something yeah or it goes oh that's kind of spammer behavior make more than that many posts within 10 minutes yeah right yeah so yeah i'm sure you can't you know change your profile picture 10 times in 10 minutes i'm sure there's a lot of things we don i'm sure you can't you know change your profile picture 10 times in 10 minutes i'm sure there's a lot of things we don't know that you can't do on youtube and twitter it's just this one happens to be something that regular people are like wait what i hit the limit what i'm just acting normal what's going on yeah when you do views on a thing that's just you're scrolling through hundreds and hundreds of like posts and comments like going through

one post in their comments like you're hitting a hundred views when somebody gets traded i scroll through all the reaction tweets so fast there's like hundreds of memes about the guy that gets just got traded it's yeah it's pretty easy i haven't hit the limit yet but i imagine it's not that i hate it although you're verified i'm unverified so 600 like i when it first happened 600 posts you kidding i'm not even out of bed i'm i'm through a thousand posts before i even step my feet on the floor touch grass yeah loser so yeah that was just it was a hectic day and it happened on a day where like twitter and reddit were very important and i was very sad and you know i really feel like both of these has just turned into me using them far less on my phone which probably is a good thing that's how yeah yeah it's probably ultimately you're probably

touching terrible for them to make money but it's yeah the ultimate goal of all these social media companies is to make as much money as possible basically i'm so simplifying but like they want to make as much money as possible and if the mechanic of them making money is you spend more time on the site so you see more ads, then anything they do that's counter to that seems hilariously dumb. So this seems pretty stupid. You're getting people to leave the site faster, thus making less money. Yeah. They'll figure it out eventually.

Also, on July 1st, there were, like, massive surges of signups to Mastodon and to Blue Sky. Oh, this happens every time there's a weird twitter feature literally anytime there's any sort of weird thing on twitter you get like some surge i'm sure on all these sites yeah mastodon t2 everything yeah probably we'll probably talk about those after the break we got to get to twitter competitors right that's that's its own section. And a fresh one. So we got some new things to talk about there. Yeah.

But before we get there, let's take one more quick break and let's do a trivia question. All right. Trivia question number two. I'm really hoping I know this one. Maybe, maybe not. In the 2022 blind smartphone camera test. I should know this one. The Pixel 6a won first place.

What phone came in third? Third? Well, so, it's either the two phones that are tied for third, or... Is there? Yes, because there's no tiebreaker.

Or ELO rating. What? Oh, because it was 2022. Just kidding. No, we did ELO. Just kidding. No, we did do ELO. There is a third. So is it in which category?

Overall. Overall ELO? Overall third highest ELO. Yes. Okay, I should know this. Oh, so all three of them put together... What? There's a standard photo, a low light photo, and a portrait photo.

Standard? No, we had overall. We did an overall ELO. Yeah had overall. We did an overall. It was overall. Okay. I should know this. Pixel 6a won. And I remember second place.

Dang. Okay. Was second place the Pixel 6 Pro? Was it? Or was it not? It said Pro. I lived in the sheet for like two weeks. 7 Pro.

I should know that. I know the bottom ones. Are you sure that was second? Are you sure that was second? Yeah, I'm pretty sure. And was Pixel 7 third? 7 pro we didn't have a 7

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So Marques, you said this new app you're trying is a for sure Twitter killer. You said Twitter is probably going to be done by the end of the week. I think that's what you said off camera. That's what some advocates would interpret my statement as. Oh i'll read what i wrote and then i'll expand on it how about that sure like that okay so what i tweeted and just for background twitter mostly text-based i think we can agree it's a yeah at least a lot that way so the number one thing twitter has over blue sky and mastodon and t2 and all these other competitors is has always been the people uh that's what makes meta launching their

twitter competitor threads so interesting they'll port everyone's instagram handles over and we'll just have people right away and i tweeted that i hit send got a lot of interesting replies um i am currently using threads i have the app on my phone i'm in the sort of like early access group it's going to go live right before this podcast goes up so we will also be using threads by the time you yeah y'all will hear this follow us on threads you know it's another one but i think that's the the interesting thing and i guess i'll expand it to two things actually the the thing that twitter has had over t2 mastodon blue sky is infrastructure and people yeah infrastructure i just say because like they're a real company and when i look at t2 like

they're slowly like building features and bug fixing and they don't have an app yet and it's crappy startup we're gonna figure out how to do DMs in the next month. Like, they're really early. I don't think you can even block someone on T2 yet. Like, Mastodon is down all the time. Blue Sky, the app crashes all the time. Like, things are slowly coming together, but Twitter to be, say what you want about

Twitter, but they implement stuff for real and fast. Even if you hate what they're doing. Maybe too real sometimes. You know? So that's one thing. And Meta has that meta has that in spades they're a real company that can make a real app with real features and as soon as i use threads i'm like yeah they made they built twitter they've got reese shares they've got dms they've got posts they've got sharing images and videos they've got profiles they've built the connection with instagram they've just built it and they they have the infrastructure to keep building things so that's number one and then number two i think we obviously twitter doesn't have a ton of people compared to facebook

whatever i think it's maybe 300 million versus however many billion but it does have a lot of like real people that people care about following they've got athletes they've got artists they've got creators like us they've got politicians they've got all these sports teams tv shows are all on twitter um and mastodon t2 blue sky i'm there's a couple here and there like you might log in and be like oh cool like oprah's on mastodon like i don't know randomly you'll see like a couple things pop up but to me it was always like well twitter has everybody already so even if the features are a little bit weird at least that's where the people are and that's what i'm here for and meta also has that because instagram Facebook the social graph is built in and I guess what's basically

happening is when you sign up for threads you keep your Instagram handle I guess is how it works you don't automatically get uh you don't automatically follow everyone or get followed by people who follow your Instagram but at least you have your handle and you're verified already and then you jump in and the people are already there like when i was using it pre-release as i've been using it obviously um you know instagram employees zuck and itemisari and people like that but also just like a bunch of celebrities are already on it using it kind of just like poking around and i have a feeling that's just going to grow kind of the same way it was because everyone already uses instagram and expects that yeah so those two things infrastructure and people they are what made twitter better than its competitors and this is the first competitor that's come along that has

potentially both of those things right out the gate and that's why it's interesting to see what happens i have some questions yeah okay um wait i want to tell a story first okay okay so okay yeah this morning david posted to slack saying like oh threads is like available and you can go to it and see it like it's not out you can't just download it but like the website is up and then marquez goes in real life like in real time yeah i've been using this for like two or three days now like in previous like the real life meme happened to us yeah like every time i'm always like oh i've some exciting new information and marcus is just like oh i've been using that for a while it's popping it's popping off over there i have a ton of i had to mute my threads notifications for the

day because dang i guess because i got a notification for every everything yeah okay so Yeah. Okay. So questions. Yeah. Number one, is the, does the app feel like really well built out? Like, does it have basically all the same features as Twitter? Good question. So 80%, yeah. 80% of all the stuff you'd expect. And I think they're probably going to add stuff that Twitter doesn't already have. So there is no like for you page, but there's like sort of the homepage. Thank God.

Can we see that? Yeah, you can. I don't want a for you page, but there's like sort of the home page. Can we see that? Yeah, you can. Let me screen record. Screen record. So just to walk through the UI, there's the home page, just like Twitter. You can like something, you can comment on something.

You can reply to something, you can attach an image. Oh, you can do image sharing. It does crash in iOS 17 beta when I try to image share, so I'll say that. Yeah, just on the iPhone. But there is media. You can

share photos and videos. There's a search function, so you can find new users, and it does suggest a bunch. So look, oh, Gordon Ramsay's at the top. I can click in. He's got an avatar. He's got one thread. I can follow him cool there's compose which is just a compose window there are likes

and all your activities so replies mentions verified and your profile wait verify oh no so there is already a sorting mechanism for just people who are verified they're building in this whole meta verified thing into this aren't they oh yeah of course if it's through Instagram they're definitely gonna do that so that's it's all here okay it's all it's all working other

question yeah how high quality is the photo and video upload because instagram is crap and twitter before it got bought by elon uh made a very strong push to make photo quality really good and i really love that about Twitter. But Twitter never had any sort of like, they have a media page, but they don't have like a curated like gallery page. Yeah. And something that I was hoping because this is like an Instagram sub product in a way, I was hoping maybe there would be some sort of like gallery linkage to your Instagram or something.

Haven't seen that. Okay. And I actually haven't really pixel peeped too much on the image quality either i'll look into that because instagram has a really low image quality yeah yeah everything is pixel everything you you fine-tune detail and color and everything then you post it and you're like what happened to my my precious exactly that's that may still be true about this um but yeah they really didn't do any sort of features that Twitter hasn't done. Okay. So there aren't like a YouTube studio or like a Twitter analytics studio or anything crazy like that. There isn't like a new gallery view for images. They haven't really gone that crazy or done anything like super innovative, but they have built the bare bones like pieces of a text-based social media app.

Do you know how many photos you can upload at once and what the video max time is? I have only tried to upload one and I have only seen people upload one and I don't know what the max time is. If you can't upload like four at least that's... I've only seen one. Can you try to do multiple

right now and see what happens? So it crashes anytime I try. Right. It might not work but let's go one two three four five six seven add seven videos it just crashes instantly uh yeah again the basics okay it's got the basics i would love to do like 10 photos that would be amazing because the the four the four max on twitter has also been kind of annoying to me you could thread it well i think what does that mean so instagram you can do a carousel of what eight ten ten ten and on lemonade you can do a carousel of i believe eight or ten that's not real so i think they'll probably do that at some point but right now i think really it's just about like the social

graph and the interestingness of it being a new place where all the people you already know are hanging out that's kind of the main thing that's interesting looking at it right there it looks like twitter and that's a great thing yeah it's a great honest because exactly like you said there are people already on it it looks and seems like it's acting just like twitter like scrolling through it i'm just seeing random thoughts with gif replies and a place to look at my activities and a place to follow people and a way to look at my own profile. Like the notification page looks nice.

You can split it up between verified users and all replies and just replies or likes and stuff like that. And it's also interesting I separated replies from mentions. So if it's a new post that mentions you, that's one section. That's really good.

Apply to something you posted, that's a section. That's really good. That's usually applied to something you posted. That's a different section. Yeah. Okay. What was I also going to say? Well, I really lost my chance out there. Can you thread things yet? Yeah.

So what's it called? It's called threads. Yeah. And basically every single post has a section where you can jump in and view specifically the replies. So I guess that's their mechanic for it being threads i haven't been able to thread multiple threads together i guess it's called threads can you can you like make a thread that has like when you finish you hit like add additional thread or add additional let's think what's the character limit yeah is there a character limit these are all good questions because like try i'm assuming if there isn't a way to do that,

which is already weird because it's called a thread, and it feels like you can't thread it like you can on Twitter, but is there a character? So you can thread it just by adding it to this. Basically, every post has a thread of all the replies underneath it, and you can just add to that thread, and it just shows up in line. So I guess technically that's a thread. Okay.

Character limit. Test, test uh test test test test uh it doesn't show up visually it does it doesn't show a character count as you're typing okay yeah one thing i was going to say while you're trying to hit that character limit is when blue sky first launched on mobile one of the most positive things that we were saying about it was wow this looks exactly like twitter and if meta can like make something that looks exactly like twitter cool um i will say that like elon made this one point that it's like worst person you know just made a great point um you did well what is it it doesn't show how many

characters i typed does it feel like more than twitter that feels like about the same i'd say about the same it's probably two don't know for sure 240 that's a reasonable amount yeah yeah um so you know elon made this point where he was like can't wait for the future when the every single social media app on the internet is owned by one company and it's like yeah i mean that's part of the reason i loved twitter was that wasn't part of some mega corporation. But he also wants to turn Twitter into that. Yeah, he's burning it down. He wants it to be a mega corporation. And also it's like now it's bundled in with like Tesla and SpaceX.

I guess that is a potential concern is that for all like leaving Twitter because we want to get away from one like, oh, we don't like what Elon's doing. Now you're running into the arms of Zuck. Is that what's happening? The billionaires own our souls, basically. Which Threads isn't going to be launching in the EU because of that. Wait, really? At all?

Because they don't meet the data privacy requirements in the EU. They're still working it out, according to this article. It's not going to be coming out at launch in the EU. They're going to work on that, for sure. They're working on it to get it to launch. I don't follow anyone in the EU you probably do

all of Europe also quick question I'm wondering how do you think this is going to tie into Instagram that's a big question for me for sure stories, reels, those are baked into the Instagram app and those are the things that I think of as successful Instagram taking things.

So like IGTV. Yeah. IGTV was separate. Separate how that went. Yeah. I was told that you will be able to share threads to stories and it'll link directly to the threads app, which is interesting. which is interesting uh and so that's how i think at launch a lot of people will be sharing their threads accounts is by sharing a thread into your instagram and getting that audience over there that actually does make a lot of sense because how many people screenshot tweets and post it as a

story yeah so if you could just directly share an actual link to a tweet you have a better way of giving credit to the people and actually giving them because if it jumps straight to that exactly yeah links in you get to it's probably because it's your own post it's probably some sort of verified something happening there just to make sure you can like actually link it you know because of that i could see this being twitter in general out of all the social medias if you were to make a sponsored post as a creator is the worst, like the worst deals you'll get. Like, because engagement on Twitter is lowered as less people. And in general,

like it's swiped through pretty quickly. Instagram's higher and being able to, to link directly to Instagram, I could see marketing companies wanting to use threads more with creators than Twitter. If it actually gets to that point of being yeah as big as twitter also if a lot of people feel like they're seeing double because they've heard this thread's name before there was an app called threads from meta uh that was it was a dedicated

it only closed down last year in 2020 or sorry in 2021 but it was a dedicated instagram dm app that it was like it used your Instagram account just for DMS. And I don't know why they had it. I think they were like kind of testing whether or not people, cause a lot of people, a lot of younger people use like Snapchat as the main way they communicate. Right. And I actually talked to a lot of people only really through Instagram DMS because it's a pretty fully fledged like messaging app, know um so they they tested an app called threads uh which was just messaging they shut it down two years ago and now they're just kind of like resurfacing the branding the funny thing is like the the word threads makes a lot of sense because

it's already called a twitter thread right yeah and so if you can just like threads for conversations like it's pretty good name it's a pretty good name how do you feel about the logo it's like the at sign with an additional little loop right yeah it's pretty simple just black white on black yeah i don't i don't hate it it looks too much like a generic at to me but and also it the the color of it is a lot like instagram right i think it's just when you. The splash screen has Instagram colors, but everything else seems to be black and white. Oh, interesting. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, you know what's funny? And I just found something, and I'm not sure it's going to do this, but there's a corner up at the top. There's an Instagram logo. When I hit that, it goes to my Instagram profile. I wonder if there's going to be a Threads logo.

That would be amazing. And I hit that, and it goes back to my Threads account. That would be great. That seems like what they would do. That like a very seamless uh transition as well yeah that looks really nice i really like that it's funny because i've definitely built i've built a lot of my following on twitter and now i'm like i wish they were on instagram and i have like a certain i feel like i have a much smaller percentage on instagram but i would like more people to be on my instagram because i actually post my photos there so if i can have the cross compatibility no i totally agree and to add on to that like i've enjoyed using instagram

more but you take a bunch of great pictures i don't i just make like one line jokes on twitter every once in a while so like i would like to go over there so they can go together yeah i'll just take i'll write it on a post-it note and take a picture of it and post it on my story. Honestly, that would be a great profile. Doesn't Alton Brown do that? Oh, really?

He does something like that. Everyone has some version of how they post things. It's been done already. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool. Well, by the time you guys listen to or see this podcast,

it will be out. Follow all of us. Follow all of us. So all of this was useless because they already have it. Yeah, they're time you guys listen to or see this podcast, it will be out. Follow all of us. Follow all of us. So all of this was useless because they already have it. Yeah, they're all looking to be out already. Thread at us on how you like it. Thread me. I was going to ask that. Thread me, bro.

A Twitter post is called a tweet. Is a thread post just called a thread? Is that it? It shouldn't be because a thread is still a function within the app. So I feel like they should call it. It's probably just going to be called a post. And if you make a post and nobody replies, there are no threads. So it can't be a thread is still a function within the app, so I feel like they should call it... It's probably just going to be called a post. And if you make a post and nobody replies, there are no threads, so it can't be a thread. Exactly. You could thread a thread and have a thread squared. You have to reply to yourself to make it a thread.

Yeah. As long as you don't use the thread emoji. How long until we have third-party thread apps? Never. I feel like the era of third-party apps is just over. Isn't thread also like the home tech um thread is part of matter it's part of matter yeah thread is part of matter to keep those straight in my head yeah well yeah thread is out if you want to follow us on thread yeah we're gonna be we're that we will be the same handles that we are on instagram yeah so follow

us on instagram and then follow us on Thrift. I was also going to ask pop quiz to you guys. I don't know how much you keep track of this, but if you had to sort by number of followers on social networks, how do you think we MKBHD channels rank? YouTube, Instagram, Twitter, throw in Google+. Wait, so yours? Oh, I Plus yours YouTube number one Instagram number two

Twitter two Twitter two 6 mil then 4 point something mil on Instagram 17 mil on YouTube 4 point something on Instagram wow there's more on Twitter where did Google Plus top out a hundred million i'm guessing like two two million google plus

topped out a little over five million five million really wow those are wow those are bots we were i was one of the suggested follows when you first yeah so it was oh so google plus is more than instagram at the time it was the highest thing that was not youtube for me wow yeah that's wild what's your t2 i think about 500 nice that makes you that's more than are actually on the site wow well all right i think that's good to know uh i'm not on mastodon so if you guys are thinking you're following me on mastodon it's not me here's another thing with uh so threads at launch will not support it but it will be supporting it it will support activity pub so you can post on

mastodon and see on threads post on threads see it on mastodon so we will have third party third party thread apps yeah if you use mastodon yeah technically yeah it's not available at launch but they're going to make it available which is interesting i think that yeah that is interesting i think that it's a pr play because it doesn't people still want to use like the official main app and mastodon still way too confusing for most people so i think zuck is like oh it shows that we're not trying to own everything and that like you know you could technically use whatever you want but like most people are still going to use the official app so it's a really good the app first and then go use whatever you

want it's a really good pr play to make them like look like they're supporting the open web and also the first party app has to be the most important it's just like for for like regular people and this is going to link from instagram as i'm imagining like there's going to be a button from instagram to threads yeah we'll just find it organically that would be great I was gonna be a thing that drives the most discovery yeah or they could have just turned Instagram into Twitter well they had that weird feature the broadcast feature they think that's that and they still have it and I think that was the beginning oh have you gotten these yeah they like send out a message yeah that's

weird that just feels like a spam call like Suck sent you a photo. And you're like, what? And it's just a mass message to all their followers. I hate that. I had that happen on my phone while I was showing my phone to someone and they were like, what? Suck sent you a photo? Yeah, it was sent to me on a wallet. Then I had to explain.

Yeah, we fight in cage matches like twice a week. Yeah, we've been sparring. Anyway, okay, that's it for this week on Instagram. This week on Waveform, of course. We will probably talk more about these social media things as they grow and expand and evolve. So let us know in the comments what you guys think and what you want us to talk about. And follow us on all those things. And follow us on all those things.

We will now attempt to answer the questions that Adam asked at the beginning. It's trivia time. Attempt to try. I am now attempt to answer the questions that Adam asked at the beginning. It's trivia time. Attempt to try. I am not going to get these right. I really thought I knew what the second one was, but I don't know anymore.

Adam Molina, I have an idea. I definitely don't know the first one. First question. What was the first commercially available smartphone with

wireless charging? God, that is tough. I'm so between two of them that if it's the wrong one, I'll be so mad. But if it's neither of them, then I won't be that upset. Yeah, that's exactly what I feel. I just want you to know I'm changing what I originally put.

Just cross it out. I know the first commercial phone with 2GB of RAM. Did you see they just announced a phone with 24GB of RAM? Yeah. Really? I don't know what it was. Was it a red match? Some crazy gaming phone.

Well, I burned all my time. Leave him and read. I don't know the answers. Oh, wow. Oh, that might be right. Okay. I said the Nexus 4. Wrong.

It's not right. I said the S7. Wrong. I said the S2. Wrong. Who's closer? None of you, actually. Well, I guess technically Andrew's kind of close because I think the Galaxy 6 was the

first Samsung Galaxy phone. That's what I did right now. Or the 6 Edge, something like that. Really? But the first one with wireless charging was actually... Don't say it's the Asus Zenfone 2. No. Okay, good.

The Nokia 920, according to Computer World. It came out in 2012. Wait, that's a Windows phone. It's not a smartphone wait that's a windows phone it's not a smartphone that's a smartphone that's still a smartphone yeah i guess i don't know what was it the nokia lumia 920 oh oh yeah the yeah was that the one made by htc it was a black polycarbonate it was a thick thick phone, too. Yeah, it was a thick boy. This is the dumbest phone. Oh. I did a video on this. Oh, I remember that. I did the 920 and the 1020 and I did another one.

Wow, look at that camera. It looks so bad. I like how they have that camera and then they have the one with the chonker 40 megapixel camera. That was the 1020. That's the first one with wireless charging? The first commercially available smartphone, according to Computer World. Okay, but what was the first Android phone with wireless charging? I don't know, David.

2012? I should be asking you that. You're right. The back of this 920 is just like a red square. And then just like this little tiny camera with the thing that says Nokia. It's taking up like 5% of the back. It was a tiny camera. It's horrible looking.

All right. Next question while David Googles what the first Android phone was with wireless charging. In 2022, the blind smartphone camera test, the Pixel 6a won first place. What phone came in third overall in ELO rating? This is our own smartphone camera test. Yeah, I didn't look at the data as much as Andrew did. Andrew lived in this data for like three weeks. Yeah.

He just slept under his desk. Maybe it all blurred together for him. Definitely. That's kind of what I'm hoping for. All right, flip him and read. I put Zenfone 9. Correct. Oh oh i'm so mad i didn't put it i assumed this was a trick question because we talked about the zen phone wait i need this moment i need this moment i'm gonna i also put zen phone nine hey let's go i also wrote the order of top four i don't know if i'm all 20 club okay wait wait i'm still in this 20 exactly that's what i'm at

too oh okay cool wait andrew what did you put i put the rog i i was i almost put the ro because i was like but i talked about zen phone being good and then i thought he was gonna be like oh they're gonna put the zen phone and i was like well i know the zen phone did you guys want a bonus point yes no bonus point what was in fourth place he wrote that down so i feel like it's hard Zenfone and I was like, well, I know the Zenfone did do good to maybe the Asus. No. Bonus point. What was in fourth place? He wrote that down so I feel like it's hard for us. I already wrote mine. Oh, what would you put? S22 Ultra. Wrong.

It was the Oppo Find X5. Oh, right. I should have put Find X as my guess for third. I remember. Alright, so new scores. David 24, Andrew Marquez tied Naked Naked, 20. Which is a great set of scores together because the next episode...

Is the trivia extravaganza. Yes. Oh, you don't say. My question is, does the fact that I'm ahead just not matter now because of the trivia extravaganza? No, it doesn't matter at all. No, it does, right?

Oh, no, it won't. It won't matter at all. It's like going from Jeopardy to Double Jeopardy. You technically have an advantage, but it's not that. Wow. Bummer. Everyone that's followed up until now, please congratulate me because I'm going to lose.

You won the regular season. Now you've got to bring it into play. I always crash at Either way that's been it For this week on Waveform thanks for listening Thanks for watching catch you next week In our trivia extravaganza where we'll set it

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